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Friday 11 February 2011

Verity Murphy | 16:35 UK time, Friday, 11 February 2011

Tonight we are dedicating the whole programme to the momentous events in Egypt, where after weeks of protests by anti-government demonstrators in Cairo and other cities, Hosni Mubarak has stepped down as president.

Our reporter Tim Whewell is in the thick the crowds in Cairo's Tahrir Square - you can follow his live tweets here.

He will bring us the latest on what is happening on the programme.

We will assess the impact on Egypt, the region and wider global relations and ask what the future holds.

Join presenter Mishal Husain and all of our experts at 10.30pm on BBC Two.

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  • Comment number 1.

    Well, since Egypt has ousted Mubarak, will "revolution" also happen in the UK?

  • Comment number 2.

    The key question is, how much loot will Mubarak make off with?

    "There was a lot of corruption in this regime and stifling of public resources for personal gain."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/04/hosni-mubarak-family-fortune

    Maybe he won't be quite as brazen as Ben Ali's wife?

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/41115532/Ex_Tunisia_President_s_Wife_Left_with_1_5_Tons_of_Gold_Report

  • Comment number 3.

    may Good Fortune smile upon the People of Egypt. Their bravery is now legendary! xxx :)

  • Comment number 4.

    I don't think I can take much more of the serried ranks of BBC journalists abandoning themselves to joy over a few demonstrations in far away Egypt. I want hard news and expert analysis not incontinent displays of emotion.

  • Comment number 5.

    Friday 11 February 2011
    Verity Murphy | 16:35 UK time, Friday, 11 February 2011
    Tonight we are dedicating the whole programme to the momentous events in Egypt, where after weeks of protests by anti-government demonstrators in Cairo and other cities, Hosni Mubarak has stepped down as president.

    Our reporter Tim Whewell is in the thick the crowds in Cairo's Tahrir Square

    Wednesday 9 February 2011
    Sarah McDermott Wed 9 Feb 11, 10:24 AM
    This evening we're devoting virtually the entire programme to Egypt.
    Our correspondent Tim Whewell - who has recently returned from Cairo - will be giving us his assessment of where the revolution is now.


    Bit confused. Did he pop back on Tuesday because he forgot to switch the gas off? Or is BA doing a deal on frequent gadabout miles? Or were all the other BBC reporters lonely?

  • Comment number 6.

    Meanwhile hiding behind all the Egypt coverage perhaps a good reason for a UK revolution ?

    http://cameron-cloggysmoralcompass.blogspot.com/2011/01/tory-donorgate-comprehensive-list-and.html

  • Comment number 7.

    @ Hawkeye #2 - according to CNN, Mubarak's Swiss Bank accounts have been frozen
    Source: http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/11/news/international/swiss_banks_mubarak/

    (He is only worth a mere US$80Billion)

  • Comment number 8.

  • Comment number 9.

    You just couldn't make it up! Apparently a surface-to-air missle has been found in a house clearance in Wednesbury!
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-black-country-12419687

  • Comment number 10.

    you can remember where you where when you heard the news....Mubarak gone, it is up there with the fall of Caucescu and the Berlin wall so hopefully after eight thousand years (John Simpson) the people of Egypt will have an oppressor less to worry about and that they can have a democratic government. It is a people led revolution with hardly a shot fired but three hundred dead so it is not without immense cost but considering the numbers involved we have made great strides today. Right on and courage to the people of Egypt....

  • Comment number 11.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 12.

    9 So that`s where I put it!! I put it down to feed the cat and then could I find my surface to air missle again?? NOOOO! A senior surface to air moment I suppose!

  • Comment number 13.

    Something similar happening with the economy here in the UK ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji87ocoZYmg

  • Comment number 14.

    Dont Count Your Chicken's Untill TheY Eggcist

  • Comment number 15.

    Q>T> Thor'sDAY I Thought BRuneL Mucked about down there in Bristils

    He didnt leave much in the way of D/Brains

    just a casual butchers

  • Comment number 16.

    hopefully a cat and mouse game is not being played out here?
    ie Mr M may have gone but he could still be running the show if you know what I mean
    who is number 1? i am not a number i am a free man
    number 2 is now in charge but is he the new number 1
    bring in number 6
    trouble with smoke and mirrors is that we all get lost in the murk

    -hopefully this is a new dawn in the history of Egypt and if played out right whatever the intentions of those who have run the country for the last 30 years, democracy might still prevail

  • Comment number 17.

    ps sorry about post 11, perhaps I should have prefaced it with a general comment about the way things seem to get run, it might have being possible to link this in with events in Egypt and how power can be used,and how the little people can be crushed by the misuse of prileged positions and influence, sorry should have done this

  • Comment number 18.

    Connectivity Unites the World
    Communication and information vital to get things moving
    I hope that Domino2.0 will keep it's momentum.
    After Tunisia2.0 and Egypt2.0 I think it's about time for Sudan2.0 Iran2.0 Algeria2.0 etc.

  • Comment number 19.

    CyberSpace Theft Hisses me off slightlie

    However if large amounts of "Honey" are errm lifted/chored slightlea

    it wILL depend on where it endsUP duNit

    30 2nds 2 mars .. a wee bit slow .. I'll get BIFFY 2 sort Ye oot

  • Comment number 20.

    We heard an art historian linked up from United States to comment on revolutions on 10 February's programme. I hope that the experts you invite to comment on post-Mubarak Egypt come with the right grounding in the region's history. One wonders why a specialist in Middle Eastern is LSE Professor Dr Katerina Dalacoura. Why don't we have any veteran Arab commentator like Rami Al-Khouri to comment from Beirut?

  • Comment number 21.

    Paul Wolfowitz on tonight, What a Hypocrite!!!
    It is worth remembering that whilst he pretends to be pro democracy, when the turks denied permission for the US to use turkey to invade iraq, he condemned the elected government and suggested that the Army generals should do something about it!
    his comments on saudi were telling! he doesnt want change in saudi, the nice repressive pro American oil supliers can stay in saudi! wouldn't want that to change!

  • Comment number 22.

    well well people power - who's next

    "Tunisia2.0 and Egypt2.0 I think it's about time for Sudan2.0 Iran2.0 Algeria2.0"

    saudi oil is running out - wikileaks cables "Saudi Arabia cannot pump enough oil to keep a lid on prices

    US diplomat convinced by Saudi expert that reserves of world's biggest oil exporter have been overstated by nearly 40%"

    and then there's Israel/Palestine "U.S.- Egypt military relationship is strong, but should change to reflect new regional and transnational threats."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/199866

    should we take the advice from #13 youtube comments
    "Please store water, food, heating fuel, candles, ammo, gold,silver,hope!"

    hmm duck and cover!

  • Comment number 23.

    Do you think the Iranian Auth have started 2 Flap again

    or is it just A cool breeze from the east

    do easter eggs come before Valary/valenteeno/Valour day

  • Comment number 24.

    I'm impressed with Mishal Husain tonight. More please :o)

  • Comment number 25.

    Richard wAtkins Report Good Food for Thought

  • Comment number 26.

    The asylum seekers are on their way....

    http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/italy-tunisia.8kk/

  • Comment number 27.

    WORST CASE SCENARIO

    Global Envoy Blair, fresh from unmitigated success in Palestine, will steer Egypt to a carbon copy of Westminster democracy and adversarial party politics.

    'I have a nightmare today.'

  • Comment number 28.

    auntie your Unforgiven Maybe The Duck of Death

  • Comment number 29.

    GREAT WHITE QUEEN

    Did I really hear someone (Mark Urban?) say that 'you can't go calling for a leader of a sovereign nation to step down'? That must be why we restrict ourselves to calling to leave a high explosive 'card' or a bullet hole in Johnnie Foreigner.

    What a farce.

  • Comment number 30.

    ie Will we be able to continue to lbeileive whaht we see on the box?


    #5 I'm sure the BBC would never do this but the whole scene from Egypt could have been done on a sound stage at Shepherds Bush, to put this into context and learning from post 11 where I failed to do this, recent stories have involved the world wide spiders web, all sorts of trickery with computers. What we see may not be what we get? In Egypt the system was turned off for a time, so though I'm absolutely certain that Tim Whewell was in Cairo when he said he was, might the time be not that far off, not necessarily in the UK but in other countries where what people see on the box and on the net, might not actually be what is going on, but which back to post Number 16 what Number 1 wants us to see, or think?

    perhaps this goes on everywhere, anywhere but just more subltley?

  • Comment number 31.

    channel 4 monday night schools that hat ?

  • Comment number 32.

    72 T.B.was more than a nightmare 2 a lot of people

  • Comment number 33.

    Mishal Hussein was excellent ..... and pleased that she didn't automatically swallow the nonsense suggestion that George Bush Jnr and his former Deputy Defence Secretary and disgraced former World Bank boss Paul
    Wolfowitz were the heroes of the hour! What a load of tosh. As for the American 'Soft Power 2.0' angle I'd
    guess that last thing the activist who turned up to their conference needs after the strike in Suez needed
    was endorsement from these creeps ... The US State Department under Bill Clinton pursued a democracy
    agenda in Swaziland, for example, by putting books with names like 'The Right To Strike' in the windows
    of the old US Information Service library in Mbabane before that kind of activity was taken back to State,
    so there is nothing particularly Republican about the United States promoting values of their Constitution.

    Big mistake though to confuse that with the kind of manipulative, CIA activity pursued by less progressive
    voices in the US military-industrial complex across the world over the years from Chile to the Middle East.
    Hussein did well to get Wolfowitz to give the game away by asking him whether Saudi Arabia would be the
    next dictatorship to be toppled by the Facebook generation ...... that fairly shut him up did it not?! And the
    role of other Western agencies involved in so-called 'soft power diplomacy' remains deeply ambivalent. The
    dreadft British Council for example supports atrocious regimes around the world including Libya and Egypt.
    In Egypt their website was until this week still hailing the Mubarak regime as a 'liberal democracy' and their
    commercial English language business deals with Libya featured in this week's disclosures about the release
    of the man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing, BP and correspondence between Libya and Gordon Brown ..

    http://dblackie.blogs.com/the_language_business/2011/02/unseating-a-liberal-democrat.html

  • Comment number 34.

    thank you OBAMA-USA!!! :heart:


    [could we not have heard from a happy Israeli? I'm certain there were many.

    it was hardly Israel that maintained Hosni Mubarak in power.]


    Obama-USA, we thank you from the bottom of our hearts for helping to bring this to a peaceful end, instead of the horror it could have become. It may take 5 years or more for the truth of what happened to come out, but this one act will guarantee you a wonderful place in history, a place in the hearts of good-feeling people everywhere for a long time, and a backer of the very values that sit in its own Constitution.

    Today the Govt of America under President Obama, and the People of America agreed - and a dictatorship ended peacefully!


    People of Egypt, if there is a hard heart out there tonight it is because of fear, and despite the 'balanced view' on the media there are many mroe celebrating than worrying here in the West!! :D

    today is a day worth celebrating! :) xxxxxx


    peace, and Love. xxxx

  • Comment number 35.

    Well I thought NN with Michel H was excellent tonight...only trouble is she has a seductively attractive face and it`s distracting...but I can live with it...so no burkas please!

  • Comment number 36.

    DON'T JUST BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE - BELIEVE WHAT YOU HEAR! (#30)

    The mood musack that frequently accompanies 'serious' BBC output is, without doubt, a faithful transmission from the strife-torn scene. They wouldn't ADD it, now, would they.

    The BBC holds principles as high, in broadcasting, as those held by all other pillars of Britishness.

    Nuff sed.

  • Comment number 37.

    Must remember what happened when marsHall TitOH died the place turned into A right Bloody Mess

    Eygpt will need a lot of Support

    have we written off our debt yet

  • Comment number 38.

    dateline Syria

    "Under the guise of lifting restrictions on the internet, the authorities have in fact tightened their control," warns Malik al-Abdeh of London-based Barada TV. "No sane internet user will enter the now unblocked Facebook and visit a page that contains criticisms of the regime, or, worse still, a page that organises demonstrations as the Egyptians and Tunisians have done."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/10/wikileaks-durham-university-iran-us-embassy

    and on the very same day as Egypt turns

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/10/iranian-opposition-leader-house-arrest


    dont panic dont panic
    Saudi Arabia's king is 'alive and well'

    Abdullah bin Abdul-Aziz in 'excellent shape' says foreign minister after rumours about the king's death

    and with the weekend weather...

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/11/middle-east-braces-mubarak-resignation

  • Comment number 39.

    Egypt:
    This is not a repeat of the fall of the Berlin wall. Though watching the media you'd have thought so.
    There's a little chap in Israel dusting down a large missle. It will see the light of day - if only for a few minutes- in about 22 months.
    I could be wrong. Sleep tight.

  • Comment number 40.

    OK ...what if the English finally snapped about being hostges in the UK/EU Mafia....how would we free England ...and what chance is there that the CIA and Google and world media would be there quietly supporting us if we gathered on Hyde Park and refused to go home until our unelected Junta/Coalition stood down... and our national debt was cancelled?

  • Comment number 41.

    #30: you cannot fake such open emotions we saw on their faces *during* the long protest in the square. That, and the emotions and excitement shown by the journalists, revealed the true state of affairs. This was not a 'controlled Iraq', this was events launching themselves It was genuine, as genuine as anything is in this world. This is the same genuine happiness a small child responds to. Although, as in some segments of the celebrations we saw tonight, it can also be the genuine tantrum. :)

    this is real, and right now.


    cool, isn't it? :)


    welcome to history.

  • Comment number 42.

    oh jimmy if once we've freed "england" then we should de-annex cornwall and then give back the Fens to the sea kick out the gypsies and bring back hanging oh yes return the true kings of england i believe he's somwhere in Australia

  • Comment number 43.

    local UK issues, fluoridation in Hampshire:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1356208/Citys-fight-fluoride-tap-water-dismissed-judge.html

    here's a useful read:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1852689/


    and here's a full debate if you're interested enough, there's a three year gap in there:

    http://www.utopia-politics.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34427&st=60

    hope the residents succeed in their fight. Best of luck. :)

  • Comment number 44.

    i have to give thanks for the link in #43 to the FaceBook Philosopher "David Pierce".

    credit where credit is due.


    flouridation has to be stopped, if possible.

  • Comment number 45.

    #40: i don't know.

  • Comment number 46.

    #40: but watching it in Egypt is inspirational.

  • Comment number 47.

    Mindy's house mate said rather gleefully:

    "welcome to history"

    Clearly some don't know history.

    Your sentiments were uttered by many following a revolution.

    I suggest you read some Revolution history and how they played out. Try 1917 and end oh, let me think, that one in the middle east about 2005, You know the one where they had democracy. But only once because after that, Hamas killed all the opposition and er killed democracy. Oh I remeber know, It was palestine.

    Hamaz..offshoot of Muslim brotherhood.

    P:S

    Floride is a known poison..this fact has been known for years. Surprising that most still think its good for teeth. A by-product from the aluminium industry if I remember rightly. Not knowing what to do with waste product in the 1950s, they introduced it into toothpaste as a filler and was given bogus teeth protecting health benefits. No independent study has proven this but is still peddled as such. Read the back of a tube of tooth paste and educate yourself Mindys mate. And if you ever go to the States, don't drink the water. I think they stopped putting sodium flouride in the UK water some time back, so you should be alright.

    As for Aspartame..the sweetener, well thats another story ..and another poison. Next time you buy a diet drink/chew on gum...give it some thought.

    Remember what I said to you about how the world is more complex than you'll ever know...well it really is.

  • Comment number 48.

    Historic and inspirational indeed, and one wishes the people of Egypt (those I have been privileged to meet in their country, in person, being a very engaging bunch) well.

    However, once the euphoria wears off, one hopes that the practicalities will sink in, soon, to avoid history getting repeated in a less positive way than the mood of the moment promises.

    'BBCTimWhewell #Egypt People still dancing in the streets at 2am, children swarming on tanks...they trust the army to bring democracy'

    And the 'reporting' and 'analysis' we get is up to the task.

    Just watched an interview on SKY with an ex-head of Mossad, who seemed calm and generous, if cautious. Certainly worth listening to in complement to some poorly contextualised talking heads one can be served, allowed to waffle away whilst being untroubled in cross-examination by more troubling aspects of their past and plans.

  • Comment number 49.

    NANNY IS A SELF-ABSORBED SLUT AND STILL 'IN-HOUSE'.

    She drives us into school for a maximum of our tender, formative years, such that we emerge immature and institutionalised. Then she turns her back, mumbling something about 'Big Society'.

    Nanny could not care less that SMALL PEOPLE DON'T BUILD BIG ANYTHING.

    We have had many generations of schooling by state-edict (i.e. 'because Nanny says so'). We now start the poor mites at two, such that school should be re-named 'FOLLOW-ON FORMULA'. By the time they leave, their primary skill is 'school' - i.e. they are INSTITUTIONALISED. And because we ALL go through the same ticky-tacky sausage machine, we all come out 'just the same', and UNABLE TO SEE WHAT HS BEEN DONE TO US (except those destined for eccentricity, dysfunction - or prison).

    The Nanny State is, de facto, fundamental to the school-based society. Now we must suffer the (oh so Westminster) subterfuge of being 'set free' - but only after legs, back and mind have been broken. (Remember what Geoffrey Howe said to Maggie?)

    Nanny has not been dismissed; she has not gone anywhere. Her finest achievement has been to become barely perceptible. We have come to accept schooling, in place of maturing (parenting) - just as Winston came to love Big Brother.

    If you find a hint of humour in the above - I have failed.

    SPOILPARTYGAMES

  • Comment number 50.

    DIANA SYNDROME LIVES?

    Where in the world can post revolutionaries find a template for stable governance, of tens of millions, that does not degrade into corruption of every kind? We haven't.

    Nuff sed.



  • Comment number 51.

    FLOURIDE DENIERS

    I take no sides. Just wanted to point out that flouride occurs in nature and in tap water (which is un-natural) 'naturally'. THEY DON'T TAKE IT OUT!

    (And Radon, naturally, in some cellars - which 'they' do.)

    Best not to be born.

  • Comment number 52.

    delusion
    Pronunciation:
    /dɪˈl(j)uːʒ(ə)n/
    noun
    an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder:

  • Comment number 53.

    THEY CAN'T SEE THE WOOD FOR THE TREES

    How excruciatingly poignant that we are now fussing about British wood-based greenery, while our wooden-headed politicians have no concept of the damage being done in and to the flesh-and-blood-based, fertile minds of trapped, helpless Britons.

    POLITICIANS ONLY EXCEL AT POLITICS: 'The Art of Self-Deception wrapped in the Craft of Deceiving Others for their own good'.

    SPOILPARTYGAMES

  • Comment number 54.

    late on parade again .. guilty again .. A long lovely Lie in .. I Love It

    FloRide? dunno, i do no in the 60's NH dentists wood drill holes in perfec

    teeth, summit 2 do with money

  • Comment number 55.

    Just Finished my LaTest Invention. Ladies & Gentlemen I Give You

    The All New Super Delax Bottom Wiping Machine .. with all new bells n

    whistles and T tttrouble making machine. PAT Pending .. who's pat then

  • Comment number 56.

    AM I A Para anoid hemaroid or is little bro mucking about with my laptop

    Memo 2 my board must stick the nut on little bro

  • Comment number 57.

    In The Words of Jon Cullshow, I coulds Sea it ALL was about 2 Kick off on this site
    Time 2 Run Away Run Away and Get Me 2 the Pub on Time 2 watch the rugby
    for round about the 2 of the clock

    Is that OK with You Me Old Cock sPARA

  • Comment number 58.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 59.

    IS A PATTERN EMERGING?

    With the exception of blatant nutters, is there something to be inferred from the allowed content of posters who regularly 'break the house rules'?

    Perhaps, in the land of insidious, manipulative democracy, the simple, telling point is an act of treason?

    Nuff sed.

  • Comment number 60.

    doleboy 52:
    " typically as a symptom of mental disorder"

    ooh i'm intrigued.

    You mean like the mental disorder liberals display when they utter something.

    Is their a known equation for this? I'd like to have it on a flip chart whilst I go around the country explaining my theories on 'Liberalism is a mental disorder and should be treated as such"..I already have some of the causes down for this illness, two of which is believing everything BBC news trots out - or at least not having the ability to read between the lines - and what the leftwing teachers teach.

  • Comment number 61.

    back from tit Pub Good Game Good Game

    Points 2 Note Rugby isnt Cricket, And I didnt see A single Man Trip over A Blade of Grass.

    Next Game .. God's Own CounTRY playing

    I wont tell you which Country IS God's Team

    But I am wearing My London Scottish Top

  • Comment number 62.

  • Comment number 63.

    in the uk a call for democracy to apply to the position of head of state is regarded as treason. Even military dictatorship Egypt didn't have that law. So if the british people did what egyptians did they would be charged with treason and as enemies by all those agencies of the state that have sworn an oath to the monarchy? There is no national oath that defends the rights of the british people.

    so in the uk democracy is seen as treason.

  • Comment number 64.

    Well if we ever achieve democracy then over sixty million folk will face a spell in the Tower followed by a visit to Guantanamo Health Resort for some freedom and democracy therapy....followed by...gulp!

  • Comment number 65.

    62 What do other people think this of this U-tube...are we following Elvis from the building or entering the Twighlight Zone clutching a copy of Alice in Wonderland?

  • Comment number 66.

    I SHOULD NOT HAVE READ 1984 (#62 and #63)

    Why is Alex Jones still alive? How many layers of deceit are there? Is our Queen in on it? What does Burrell know?

    I know it's 'going on', but I have lost track of what 'it' might be.

  • Comment number 67.

  • Comment number 68.

    #66, @vid #65:

    ridiculous. This revolt was led by the people, not 'vanguards' of super-intelligent aliens or any 'reptilian' followers. Alex jones is still alive because he is a paranoid, disinformation feed.

    this is a long point by point to the video - instead of going out!:


    yes, the US gives money in education aid. I rather doubt they deliberately pay to create Western-phobia, however.


    why shouldn't US citizens get the option of learning Arabic in schools? It is one of the big 3 Civilisations, and the US seems intent on tying its future with the Islamic world. If the US Govt IS promoting Arabic in schools, this seems common-sense, really. Not some kind of culture war. God this guy is so paranoid it could give me haemorrhoids.

    and this is all part of the "tower of babel, balkanisation, multicultural moves". You DO realise this guy is crazy, yes?

    when the US giving education aid to buy books, and offering students the chance to learn a useful foreign language become evidence of a conspiracy involving the Old Testament, Cold War politics and something he doesn't define but clearly hates anyway, he has a few bolts loose.

    so... this should be fun. :)


    "a socialist, muslim Caliphate"

    ponder that. When you hear the people proclaiming they want a direct democracy, utilising electronic communication. Or is he afraid Egypt and other Muslim countries will bring in universal Health Care for its citizens? Is he afraid the State will take over and deliver efficiently those welfare services now provided in Egypt by the Muslim Brotherhood or other private bodies?

    i think the Egyptians would welcome such moves by a new Govt. Hell, we would in the UK.


    is this guy genuine? I'd only seen parodies of him before, i hadn't realised he was actually worse than any parody.


    The US, as Britain did in its time, supports as many sides in a civil conflict as possible. Yes, the US supported factions that wanted democracy. The also supported Mubarak and the generals, he should remember. So yes, the US probably supported liberation factions before the prising in Egypt. That doesn't make the US to have controlled the events in Egypt on the street.


    odd that he claims that the Mujahadeen become "al Qaeda", because it is quite well known that the Taliban and Al Qaeda are allied, and the majority of the Mujahadeen and the Taliban were deadly enemies. This is very well known, - and you an actually hear a catch in his voice as he says this little piece of deliberate disinformation!


    more and more becoming obvious why "he is still alive", barrie.

    he then gives a good piece of truth, about a conspiracy amongst certain US officials during the Bush years, that appears to give credence to the notion that some of these potential terrorists were helped along, before 9/11.

    the aid to the potential 9/11 terrorists - this conforms with most other evidence. The 9/11 crowd were patsies, although it does seem they went to the US to perpetrate some atrocity anyway. There are two sets of bad guys in this equation.


    what he calls "Globalists" i would call "Imperialists". There are also good people who are Globalist in thought, but very few Imperialists. However, with that change, which is significant, i agree with his view that there has been deliberate long-term support for radical Islam in order to justify a police State back at home here in the West.

    and the deliberate prevention of 3rd world development. Also correct.


    his problem with seeing Globalist KKKorporates as the prime movers in Egypt is that many US/Multinationals are scared witless by the thought of a nationalist Egyptian Govt preventing their ongoing exploitation of the people here. This was a movement of the People, not of the KKKorporates or Imperialists. Although no doubt using disinformation and their control of the mainstream media, attempts will be made to hijack the process.


    i feel sorry for him that he can only react to such a wonderful event as the peaceful overthrow of a dictator by the people in a spontaneous evolution as evidence for a global conspiracy. I am glad there weren't people like him back n 1989, and everyone could freely enjoy the good feelings that came from events like this.


    ok, now he has gone off the deep end again. "Masters of 3-dimensional chess" - then how come the World is in such bad state? How come they were taken completely by surprise by events in Egypt? The Imperials and KKKorporates may have better education and access to knowledge, but they are not super-minds. His paranoia creeps out again.

    "They don't want a pliant Dictator that does what they say, but brings stability to the Middle East".

    look at this statement. Look at it *seriously*. "They don't want a pliant Dictatorship".

    ..?

    He assumes that such a Dictator *could* "bring stability".

    and he doesn't think the KKKorporates and Imperials would prefer such an arrangement, even though their profits and interests are tied up there. Now, some *Globalists* are indeed happy the Egyptian people are free to choose their own future again, through their sheer bravery, and desire for Democracy. I am one of them, and there are many many others who felt joy at seeing people choosing Freedom over Slavery.

    Such people will not accept another "pliable Dictator", and such a scenario would not bring "stability". I wonder why Alex has so little faith in the goodness of Egyptians they couldn't manage this into a transition to Democracy. He even appears to be scared by the possibility..?

    now the disinformation is flowing deep and fast. Any 'New World Order' 'plan' involves the growth in power and influence of the KKKorporates. The revolt in Egypt has upset that there, potentially. It is the KKKorporate vision that leads to 1984, these uprisings have potentially disrupted those plans. Oddly enough, the KKKorporate plans are directly harmful to the largest number of their own employees, as if the KKKorporate behaviour to their own employees isn't bad enough already. I'm surprised more of them don't whistle-blow on what happens.


    he admires Joe McCarthy. My sainted Aunts. I'm not sure i can stomach any more of this.


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    barrie: there is not an "it" - there are "its". Pick-n-choose. :)

    i would advise a reading of the excellent Robert Anton Wilson's 'Prometheus Rising', a superb training of the mind to reject learn how to judge, and receive new ideas and paradigms. A reread might be good as well, if already read. :). "If one of the aims is to preserve Human existence on the Earth, which policies have the best chance of leading in that direction?" That is a constant question i held in mind, during my studies.

    its not one i would hesitate to recommend. :)

    interesting video Brossen, but interesting for many wrong reasons. Thanks for the view though.

    #65: you should try it from this end. Feels like Mullholland Drive. Good result so far for the Egyptians, you agree? Nice Wonderland so far?? :D

  • Comment number 69.

    67 MMM depressing

  • Comment number 70.

    #47 kev:

    "that one in the middle east about 2005, You know the one where they had democracy. But only once because after that, Hamas killed all the opposition and er killed democracy. Oh I remeber know, It was palestine.

    Hamaz..offshoot of Muslim brotherhood."

    Hamas in the Occupied Territories were ready to recognise the Israeli State when they were elected, but then the Israelis invaded Lebanon. Then it invaded Gaza. Then it attacked an international Peace/Aid convoy. Te Israeli state has done everything it can to prevent its opposition declaring peace. If the worst comes to the worst, and IF the Egyptian People vote for the MB in large percentages, and then IF the MB only hold the one election, then they may have swapped one dictatorship for another, but at least *they* will have chosen it!

    and i think they will choose better than that.

    so your example of Hamas not only wrongly characterised Hamas as being implacable war-makers, you also denigrate the Egyptians desire for a better future.


    and why thank you very much for the lesson on Fluoride, i hadn't realised my toothpaste packet carries a warning about fluoride! Silly me. Yes, Aspartame is not good for you, so what?

  • Comment number 71.

  • Comment number 72.

    MOTIVE (68)

    How do I know your motive Mork? I can be identified and defined beyond doubt. All I know of you, is you sleep upside-down and recharge with a Gleek.

  • Comment number 73.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12441771

    does this mean Suleiman is leaving office? Or is this simply a managed event to transfer powers to the man who is now monitoring ALL internet and mobile communications to find organisers? Hopefully the former.

    btw, when will Washington come to realise that virtually ALL their problems would be solved by convincing its Israeli aid recipients to stop abusing its neighbours, and start by following UN Declarations on the rights of an occupied people and land?? Not only is "to prevent another genocide" not a sufficient reason to ethnically cleanse land under International Law, it is the most likely candidate to be the reason why they would need "Self-Defence" when they have the best armed forces in the region by far. If they stopped abusing the Palestinians, they wouldn't have anything to worry about the Evolutions happening around them. It is a shame that their own policies have made Israel support cruel Dictators, this is neither what Judaism is about, nor what Israel was supposed to be.

    I hope the Israelis make Peace with everyone, that is the best way their culture and civilisation can survive.


    Generals, these are *your* peoples. By removing some of your exploitation, you will allow development and a growth in wealth beyond your dreams for all. The West did not develop because of Corporates, or Monarchies, or any such nonsense - it developed because the People kept more of their own money, fuelling economic development. If you turn local companies into cooperatives, you will spur economic growth at the low end of the scale. People will have more money to spend, and there will be economic growth across the economy. As the UK history shows, giving a bit back by the rulers spurs incredible wealth in the long run. The same is as true of Egypt as the UK. And it creates much Stability, both for and from the workers, and those who are economically dependent on the workers.

    plus, the above is fully in line with Shariah, so should be accepted easily by the Islamic clerics.

    this HAS to be better than trying to maintain the oppression of the Egyptian people? Your children will benefit greatly.

  • Comment number 74.

    wow, too much information. Wish i'd gone out now. :(

  • Comment number 75.

    correction: #71 link should be:

    http://www.facebook.com/davidpearce

    sorry. :)

  • Comment number 76.

    Mork #68

    Since you apparently subscribe to the eco-fascist ideology ( transition towns etc ) you can hardly comment objectively on Alex Jones or Glen Beck given how much effort they have both put into exposing the Climate Scam for the investment vehicle it has become. The problem remains that both Jones and Beck's ideology is flawed, the only reason the Corporate Nazi thought police allow them to continue. Take Alex Jones support for Ron Paul for example, Paul is a dangerous full blown libertarian who could plunge the USA into a virtual civil war if ever elected as president. Beck has taken the focus off the stock market parasites more recently, concentrating on individuals like Sorros and both hold the pretence that we need to go back to 1776 to solve our collective problems. Things have moved on since then and the major threat to our freedoms is corporate enslavement which could never have been anticipated even only 100 years ago. The same principle applies to the European Human Rights Act, any new alleged British bill of rights needs to reflect modern circumstances.

  • Comment number 77.

    ASPART - NOT SO TAME? (#70)

    As with fluoride and your toothpaste tube Mork, you won't find a health warning on your booze container either. Alcohol should be a registered poison. Odd that, in a democracy, under the Rule of Law, that spends such a vast amount on the NHS. You might even call it PERVERSE. You don't think we are corrupt on the quiet, do you?

    Silly me. I'm just being paranoid again. Oh no! Now I'm wondering if I AM me!

  • Comment number 78.

    #71: barrie, i looked up "Gleek". Still not sure what you meant, " a spit" doesn't seem to capture it. I hope. :)

    i do like writing at night, but it can take over, sometimes. ;/

    will pm.

  • Comment number 79.

  • Comment number 80.

    #76 Bros: Glenn and Beck weren't the *only* ones exposing those scams.

    how could Ron Paul move the US into a full-blown civil war? (i'm honestly curious about this, never heard it before).

    1776?

    i agree completely with the necessary safeguards against Corporate power.

    some new British rights for normal citizens to match the Postmodern age we are in sounds good, as well. :thumbsup:

  • Comment number 81.

    Comrades Singletons and Duffists.. I need your attention and brains...go to the Mardellosphere and read from 142 onwards of the current mainthread because Interested foreigner is giving them both barrels....and that`s not barrels of oil!

  • Comment number 82.

    mindy up above somewhere:
    "and i think they will choose better than that"

    The chosen have already been picked..in 2008/9. as for the front men..well that never really matters that much, just as long as he/they do the bidding of the others.
    If your furnish your mind with what the media knocks out, take it as gospel lets say, well I suppose ignorance really is bliss. You can be charged with nothing more that and perhaps youth not yet experienced with the world.

    I blame the schools meself.
    Mindy, I'd start with Charles Dickens and go on from there.

  • Comment number 83.

    #79: it sounds better than the edl, brossen99.

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  • Comment number 86.

    81 did you mean 42 onwards

  • Comment number 87.

    have the new paper Clips arrived Enid yes mrduff they are over there
    Dont mention the rugby last night Enid

    anyone for tennis

  • Comment number 88.

    T.B. The Diseaze is on the AM prog later on .. tb has never been on

    ask it/him how much "British" born money and Filth fies out of the uk 2 pakistan/afghanistan

    and ends up being used 2 KILL uk Soldier's/soldier CitiZens For Example Our Children

  • Comment number 89.

    Francis Maud wasnt Frank enough with the mainly dozy sicopants on QT on thurs

    all these prawns chuntering about the snip's

    council "management" (couldnt manage A Bog roll) should be CUT at least by half.

    CONcil "staff" Stuff as much POLL Tax in their sky rockets as is FISIScally possible.

    very quick 2 come out with Garbage, close librarys,care for eldery, etc etc etc blah blah blah

    NO just Get Rid of jobsworth Garbage

    is it me, council staff on 200K plus per annumb

    me I would pay them the minimum wage (the duty we have 2 our conmunities blah blah blah) NAH the duty they have 2 their own bank balance

    would be closer 2 The Mark

  • Comment number 90.

  • Comment number 91.

    Dear Auntie how many times in my life have I done my Dhobi and have been forced 2 watch it spinning, I dont need 2 see it on my tv, do I

    you can shove the liesence

  • Comment number 92.

    I Liked The Archbishop he has Jumped with The Red Freds He has his Wings

    I Loved The Choir They Can Sing

    The Rest of it was Marred by TB

  • Comment number 93.

    The Big Q's what a load of GUFF

    Double The TAX and You can have/half of what you want

    I'M OffSki Glad I'M not Stupid Enough 2 Pay Tax

    rugby this aft

  • Comment number 94.

  • Comment number 95.

    I WOULD NOT JOIN A PARTY THAT WOULD HAVE ME AS A MEMBER (#79)

    At the last General Election one PARTY issued a flyer carrying assertions that simply could not be read as true. However, POLITICAL PARTIES HAVE NO LEGAL STATUS, they are centres of vacuity - and it shows. Do we really want another such entity?

    Isn't this what the Jury Team was trying to avoid? I have long called for an end to parties, and for the election of MPs of integrity, with just one allegiance - the constituency.

    SPOILPARTYGAMES

  • Comment number 96.

  • Comment number 97.

    96...Maddy... "Controversially handsome"????....are we intruding on a fan club here?
    The reason you may offend people may not be because they have "no sense of humour"...the humour and self criticism deficit may be much closer to home.

  • Comment number 98.

    ♥ ♥ ♥ Happy Valentine's Day All♥ ♥ ♥

  • Comment number 99.

    98 I shall be out later Hopefully Kissing Frogs and or Wartybacked Toads

    The Princess of my dreams is out there somewhere over The Rainbow

  • Comment number 100.

    I Stand Corrected, CONsilly Bosses on 300 K per annum, who's silly ?

    Poll Tax payers are very Silly Billys. don't Yell at anybody that I don't pay poll tax

 

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