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Tuesday 26 October 2010

Sarah McDermott | 12:47 UK time, Tuesday, 26 October 2010

Growth in the UK is better than expected - at 0.8% between July and September - with construction continuing to be the fastest growing sector.

So is there reason to be cheerful? Or is worse to come once the cuts actually start biting? And is the private sector well positioned to pick up the impact of public sector cuts?

David Grossman investigates.

Last week the Cabinet minister Iain Duncan Smith suggested unemployed people had become too "static" and should get on a bus to find work. Matt Prodger returns to the South Wales Valley to ask if those on the dole are willing to climb on the bus to Cardiff to get a job.

Meanwhile the UN Convention on Biological Diversity is under way in Japan. But how worried should we be about fish stocks? And are the predictions of scientists accurate enough to dictate policy?

Charles Clover, author of The End of the Line: How Over-fishing is Changing the World and What We Eat will debate the issues with Barrie Deas, chief executive of the National Federation of Fishermen's Organisations.

Plus Newsnight's Science editor Susan Watts considers what the spectacular natural phenomenon of the biggest salmon run in a century in British Columbia can teach scientists about global fish stocks.

Click here to read more about that and to see our interactive map with video which illustrates the salmon life cycle. And read more on Susan's blog about the global issues affecting the world's fisheries by clicking here.

Join us at 10.30pm on BBC Two.


  • Comment number 1.


    Just listening to Postman Pat 'explaining' why the ConDems have it all wrong, to Martha K. Given the opposite brief, he would be just as (ostensibly) persuasive. What a hollow charade is party politics!


  • Comment number 2.

    I wonder if that should read "David Grossman will be speculating".

  • Comment number 3.

    I once knew a salmon who was christened Simon
    I'm assuming he's doing quite well
    Since nothing to the contrary I've heard.I might, in fact, give him a buzz
    As he also enjoyed listening to jazz.
    He used to drink coffee from a jazzy mug
    Which he bought in Canada when doing his prac,
    Prac standing for practice. He was not born in April.


  • Comment number 4.

    Who says that the Tories are against socialism?


    'The UK will become the first country to hit a United Nations target of donating 0.7 per cent of its national income to the world’s poor by 2013. As part of his spending review Mr Osborne said last week: “Britons can hold their heads up high and say, even in these difficult times, we will honour the promises made to some of the poorest people on our planet.”'

  • Comment number 5.

    Fingers crossed, fish will have a better fate than the stag killed, apparently for his horns, yesterday and hope that the killers and the 'commanders of the crime if there were any, get caught and dealt with appropriately.


  • Comment number 6.


    We are high scorers at the GLOBOPOLY table. Armed forces - Nukes - Aid - Corrupt Governance. A class act.

  • Comment number 7.

    Growth in the UK is better than expected...

    So is this reason to be cheerful?

    For now, I'll take what I can get.

    Seems a confident consumer is better (for the country) than not.

    Don't let that stop you, though.

  • Comment number 8.

    wow...we have growth...shurely some mistake....

  • Comment number 9.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 10.

    Talking of fish, Jeremy's (and Prince Charles amongst others) favourite fishing spot at the River Test (Hampshire) has got polluted :o(

  • Comment number 11.


    surprise, surprise

  • Comment number 12.

    hello mr table
    are you feeling high?
    Are you feeling low?
    and how would you describe your today's glow, flow, blow and amorous arrow?
    are you sure you do not regret nothing and feeling quite smashing


  • Comment number 13.

    The BBC are gutted about the high growth figures.


  • Comment number 14.

    "And is the private sector well positioned to pick up the impact of public sector cuts?

    David Grossman is investigating."

    As MaggieL accurately says in post 2- "speculating"

    As 80% of the working population is employed in the Private Sector, the Private Sector was responsible for the Credit Crunch, Predatory Lending, and most of all, massive leverage (borrowing). Since about half the Public Sector works for Education and Health, what we're about to see is more cuts in areas of regulation (local government) which through past cuts and intentionally bad staffing let the Private Sector off the leash in the first place - doh!!.

  • Comment number 15.


    interesting selection of political links?

    FBU general secretary speaks to The Socialist

    even union officials lost control of the fbu 'mob'?

    ...Some of the pickets were on their way to leave after this, albeit slowly and reluctantly until the police started letting a wave of scab fire engines through. Dozens of firefighters turned back to give chase once again, scattering in both directions down the road.

    Stop it! one official repeated sternly through a megaphone. It is time to disperse.”

    Disperse? Fk dispersing! screamed one picket in reply.

    Some 15 minutes later, despite officials on megaphones demanding they “leave peacefully” and call it a day, a group of pickets still had a scab fire engine penned in further down the road.

    And half an hour after being being told to disperse, many were still chanting “scab, scab, scab” and launching themselves at fire engines.

    By this point union officials, including Wrack himself, were trying to physically pull firefighters away from the scab fire engines to little avail....

    those firemen are just a mad mob of hooligans?

  • Comment number 16.

    ..The plans for demonstrations on 20 and 23 October are the beginning. A national demonstration is the minimum necessary. We must follow the French workers. We must imitate the immortal Greek workers and, if necessary, their series of general strikes. Not a library, not a government office or a council service must be closed. Any threat to do this must be met with action, including strike action - legal or not - and, if necessary, occupation of workplaces, drawing in the users of services as well as the workers...

    ...including strike action - legal or not..

    not really into rule of law are they? One might wonder what would happen to muslim who wrote such words?

    as for these reds like the roman i see much foaming at the mouth..

  • Comment number 17.

    one marvels at the left delusions over 'a uk general strike'

    ..As a result of the working class’s experience of struggle, we will increasingly see, not only the "defensive" general strikes of today as the working class tries to hold back the offensive against them, but also general strikes where the working class sees the potential to take the power and begin to build a new democratic socialist society. ..

    'taking power'?

    better bring the troops home

  • Comment number 18.


    I suppose it is called 'super-fast' because it will be even quicker to claim utterly fictitious speeds that just cannot be delivered - but can be charged for, this being the Land of Scam?

  • Comment number 19.

    "......suggested unemployed people had become too "static"....."

    Interesting this.

    We brits have become very territorial, wanting our own bricks and mortar/piece of land, noose (mortgage) mortgage and new white goods and furnishings to call home.

    A less tied workforce - one that could respond to need for work, as did happen with farm and industrial workers (didn't Paxo's family move half way across country for this very reason - WDYTYA)- might be a positive move. Not that I can see a burgeoning market place anywhere currently.

    Then we would still have the issue of the other partner in a family most probably having a job - then a real dilemma arises.

    Should we be more mobile?

  • Comment number 20.

    #19. more mobile me?

    It's a shame you can't see me as I think I'm mobile but I can always make yet more effort

  • Comment number 21.


    wishful thinking from 'king'?

  • Comment number 22.


    I doubt it

  • Comment number 23.

    Lc2, mr table, jaunty, etc

    The links are undergoing short-circuiting with no hope of bling

  • Comment number 24.


    Better still, a bit of Ninja Turtle genetic engineering, and we won't need a house! Indigene birth rate could go up too.(:o)

    I should be advising government.

  • Comment number 25.

    Interesting debate by Jeremy with Deas - the most sensible voice on fishing. Very lively discussion by the Finnish & Venezuelan ambassadors on the percieved coruptness of their nations :o)

  • Comment number 26.

    I tend to switch off when Susan Watts is on but because her report was about Salmon, - I've caught some in me time -I thought I'd give her report some attention. It was all going swimmingly (that's the best pun your gonna hear all week) but she spoilt it with a global warming analogy...she just couldn't help herself could she. Anyhow, I got up off the couch and made a brew at that point (green tea), totally gave up on this report after that. She really does have that effect on me. I just think Al Gore and mental scientists with vested interests and well meaning but gullible BBC reporters...when ever I see Susan Watts.

  • Comment number 27.

    Re: one of Paxo's remarks

    Sometimes money talks, sometimes money whispers
    For some in their dreams it shouts and it glistens
    I'm not though into scuh forms of seductiveness
    And it's not how I perceive prolonging happiness.

    It's not that I'm against becoming well rich
    But those who have whispered I think are in stich.

  • Comment number 28.


    You talk of bling and I talk of stew
    In which turtles will forever brew
    Unless, of course, it evaporates quite soon,
    And then what will you do?

    What will you do, oh what will you do
    The 'winnie pooh' and you??

  • Comment number 29.

    #20 correction

    I meant to say that 'I think I'm mobile enough, etc.'

    As for more effort, well I shouldn't have any trouble with that. New ways seem to spring up almost by the hour although if necessary I'm quite positive they can become more 'rapide'.

  • Comment number 30.

    I hereby GUARANTEE that the 'essential' truth is going to be out. It already is thought not quite black on white in print or in the media. I may be improvising quite a bit but absolutely everything I do is virtually with 100% consciousness and CONCIENCE. It's neither all right nor OK, it is. I would like it to be seen as FINE and SOPHISICATED, but I shall leave it for the posterity to decide. It could, of course, be seen as rather childish with me chewing on Sainsbury's Eric pink elephants to refresh my breath after smoking, as well as to give myself a physical and mental boost but even that has a deeper meaning to it.

    If not all the 'grown ups' appreciate what I'm about then at least most kids seem to these days.


  • Comment number 31.

  • Comment number 32.



    predicting death, are you? your own?

  • Comment number 33.


    This year the blossom ACROSS SPECIES was PRODIGIOUS. The fertilisation rate UNPRECEDENTED, and the yield of every nut, berry and fruit BEYOND MY EXPERIENCE in a lifetime. (Well - in the South.)

    Is Canada all out of indigenous Susans, to peer at fish? In the midst of a honey-bee crash, we have a boom year. Shouldn't Newsnight's scientific enquirer stay (cheaply) at home, and peer at berries?

    We know (now) that climate is electrically mediated. Electrostatic forces are acknowledged as involved in pollination. I suggest more is going on ELECTRICALLY than dreamed of in our philosophy - both for flora and fauna.

  • Comment number 34.

    Another not as good as it looks announcement from the coalition...

    Along with parents on £80,000 getting child benefit but a single parent working on £45,000 won't.

    Do governments ever look at the outcome of their proposals?

  • Comment number 35.

    Which anecdote are you referring to? I noted the remark that China would have been asking what was going terribly wrong if they had a 0.8% GDP figure."From 1989 until 2010, China's average annual GDP Growth was 9.30 percent"

    This not the X Factor where they make out it's all about confidence and star quality - in real life it's about productivity and the ability to produce goods which are useful. The rest is not sustainable.

    Speaking of appearances, it was good to see Angela Eagle on again last night. An atypical, sensible, capable woman.

    Paxman should stop twiddling and fidgeting when she speaks, and show viewers that he's attending

  • Comment number 36.


    I keep noticing how existing UK laws are written with holes and ambiguities built in. Now I read your post, and the point is made again.

    Remember how the banks were caught (long before Black Globeday) making swathes of 'mistakes' BUT ALL IN THEIR FAVOUR?

    I don't need to spell it out.

    In passing, I am up the top end of enhanced State Pension (all contributed to). I wonder if I will end up 'trimmed' for the joy of being 'in this together'?

  • Comment number 37.

    #36 I must declare a self interest here as already being an OAP, so I loose out on £40 a week, but does someone who's hardly worked still qualify for the £140 a week universal pension?

    In passing, I am up the top end of enhanced State Pension (all contributed to). I wonder if I will end up 'trimmed' for the joy of being 'in this together'?

    I think as an already OAP Barrie you'll still keep your enhancement! Hopefully! ; )

    Yup Barrie my husband will also loose out, he has some enhanced pension, and will have to go down to the £140.

    So a double whammy for us in the downward direction.

    I notice from the article there are 12.5 million already pensions who will also loose out on this proposal. I wonder who the grey vote will now vote for!

  • Comment number 38.

  • Comment number 39.


    How about 'sharing' an electric shock? Or better still, since I seem to have been begat with a magnificent supply, I shall be quite happy to redirect some towards yourself and your co-operative.

  • Comment number 40.

  • Comment number 41.


    Jeremy seemed to be present all the way through last night's programme whereas I think you should stop giving instructions to him and to myself or you will be told to do so i'n the not too distant future.

  • Comment number 42.


    I don't think it's a question of being too wet but rather recognition that something needs to be done about the outrageous national debt that Brown's government has left the UK with, Ecolizzy.


  • Comment number 43.

    From Tabb02 #35

    Speaking of appearances, it was good to see Angela Eagle on again last night. An atypical, sensible, capable woman."

    She was calm, assured and polite. Pretty unusual/atypical of ALL politicians, regardless of gender (though I take your point). She also seemed well briefed. Not always the case. Which, if either of the combatants prove to be correct in the longer term we shall all have to wait and see. This government is taking a big gamble but at least it is taking action. Whether it turns out to be a Dodo or a Phoenix will be a matter for history - it won't be an Ostrich.

    "....Paxman should stop twiddling and fidgeting when she speaks, and show viewers that he's attending"

    I have no issue with interviewers 'actively' listening; its an imperative some other's could learn from. The only thing wrong was the director/camera operators who decided focusing on JP was more 'entertaining' than on the speaker.

  • Comment number 44.

    "This government is taking a big gamble.............."

    The Opposition is also taking a big gamble - that the government's actions will fail.

  • Comment number 45.

    "24. At 11:28pm on 26 Oct 2010, barriesingleton wrote:

    Better still, a bit of Ninja Turtle genetic engineering, and we won't need a house! Indigene birth rate could go up too.(:o)

    I should be advising government."

    No you shouldn't, you're an anarchist remember! You'd just make it worse. You have time to wise up though and put those silver keyboard skills to a better use. Seriously.

    What strategists/planners in the past (e.g free-love 60s) never seemed to clearly grasp is that smartish people won't have many if any babies if they fear that doing so just puts them and their genes at risk. The birth rate in the USSR crashed at the end of socialism and the post war baby boom ended here as Britons began to allow their state to be sold off to asset strippers in the name of errmmmmm efficiency. What idiots.


    Sex Equality legislation: Liberal-democratic subterfuge to free up domestic disposable income in the interests of the retail and financial service sectors.

    Immigration and race equality legislation: Ditto, this also saves having to travel to hawk wares overseas where there may be competition and or regulation. By bringing it onshore, where regulations are fewer, protection of the dull-witted can be punishable by law as 'discrimination.

  • Comment number 46.


    I know a dull wit who enjoys to knit
    This person also likes to do something that rhymes nicely with it.

  • Comment number 47.

    33. At 09:12am on 27 Oct 2010, barriesingleton wrote:

    "Is Canada all out of indigenous Susans, to peer at fish? In the midst of a honey-bee crash, we have a boom year. Shouldn't Newsnight's scientific enquirer stay (cheaply) at home, and peer at berries?"

    As I keep telling you, they really don't like socialists.

  • Comment number 48.


    Not so much the socialists but rather pollutionists
    I shouldn't imagine, attempting to rid of honey runney bees.
    'Free love' as their goal and pocketing gold,
    Which is now starting to unfold.

  • Comment number 49.

    uk economy

    what the figures show is the uk has a massive black economy that is propping it up. Organised crime that ballooned under new labour is estimated at 40 billion a year ie half the bankers deficit.


    so something that is seen as synthetic bunkum is used to generate more heat than light? Nice daily mail piece. who chose that dead end topic? the norman hereditary monarchy system of appointments is a form of corruption.

  • Comment number 50.

    "The Norman conquest is viewed as the last successful conquest of England, although the Dutch victory in the Glorious Revolution of 1688 should be identified as the most recent successful invasion from the continent; an important distinction is that the Glorious Revolution can be seen as one segment of the English ruling class centred around Parliament collaborating with outside forces to oust a different segment of the ruling classes (that centred around the Stuart monarchy), whereas in the Norman conquest the entire English ruling class was utterly displaced."


    You keep focusing on the wrong invasion. I suggest this is why you don't understand modern anti-statist (anti-Catholic) politics. Protestantism is anarchistic, see Archibishop of Canterbury. A Lib-Dem if ever there was one. Protestants don't like Catholics. Hint - who else doesn't like Catholics? See ruling economic elite.


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