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Friday 3 September 2010

Sarah McDermott | 13:18 UK time, Friday, 3 September 2010

Here's Emily with news of what's happening on tonight's Newsnight:

On this evening's programme we have the FAT tax, Farage and the social history of the twin bed.

FAT TAX: The acronym is dubiously convenient - it actually stands for Financial Activities Tax, and the thought has been around since the first hint of financial crisis hit, if not before.

But Newsnight has seen a document circulated by the IMF which makes clear a hefty levy on either bank profits or transactions could really work.

Will anyone - in this post-crisis age of austerity - oppose it? And would a tax actually correct 'bad behaviour'?

Or is it just a way of raising much needed cash? Ecofin will be debating the merits next week in Brussels. But we're doing it here first.

Nigel Farage has confirmed he will stand once again as UKIP's leader, after the outgoing leader, Lord Pearson, recognised with a disarming level of humility that he was 'not much good at politics'.

Tonight we ask Mr Farage what direction for UKIP now, as the party kicks off the conference season in Torbay.

And Stephen Smith - who else - gives us the cultural history of the hotel twin bed.

Join me at 10.30pm on BBC Two.

Emily

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From earlier:
Ahead of an emergency meeting by EU finance ministers next week, our Economics editor Paul Mason will be looking at banks and how much they are taxed by government.

Meanwhile Stephen Smith is considering the social history of the twin-bedded room.

More details later.

Comments

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  • Comment number 1.

    "Economics editor Paul Mason will be looking at banks...."

    Just perhaps Paul could look at the way that there is still no control on the creation of credit?

  • Comment number 2.

    ;o) I suspect Stephen will come up with an amusing piece tonight!

  • Comment number 3.

    JUST WHEN YOU THINK IT CAN'T GET ANY WORSE

    Someone reminds you we are EU lackeys. How is AUDITGATE going over there? Is it 27 countries? So that is 27 countries whose ruling elites are happy to belong to a corrupt controlling body.

    Speaks for itself doesn't it.

  • Comment number 4.

    #2

    He might, partly, and he never gets on my nerves as he seems like a pleasant and respectful man, but he gives on at times to 'controllers' who, would you believe, are some of the bloggers here,Mistress76uk?

    mim

  • Comment number 5.

    Bring on the Tobin Tax (aka Robin Hood Tax)...it's the one they really fear, so it must be the right way forward.

    And while they're at it split the casino investmet banks away from the the bread-and-butter retail banks and only they (retail) should be supported by a state guarantee.

  • Comment number 6.

    Singie

    I posted something to you on the previous page. Have you seen it yet

    mim

  • Comment number 7.

    'housey'

    What kind of link do you 'have with the Muslims. Is it perhaps anything to do with looks?

  • Comment number 8.

    "Meanwhile Stephen Smith is considering the social history of the twin-bedded room."

    Maybe resources would be better deployed finding out whether the FCO has any policies which some might benefit from seeing change if Hague was not Foreign Secretary?

    Debtjuggler - elsewhere you've asked with some exasperation I detect, why more people don't 'get it' given the abundance of evidence. I don't know if I have the answer, but I'll throw something into the pot.

    These days more and more people want to LOOK good. This is largely a consequence of more females being in the workplace. The more common desire to look good, even when it's false, is inevitable given that human females are biologically programmed to attract in order to be able to mate. I suggest this has become a very powerful, but destructive, force across the liberal-democracies, and those males who behave in a similar way think themselves similarly advantaged. It is not popular or attractive to tell it as it is if doing so reveals the status quo to be less attractive than it can be made to appear, even if the status quo is objectively self-destructive.

    In brief, people today go to great lengths to LOOK and SOUND good and so desperately don't want to LOOK or SOUND bad. Hence we live in an age of deceit where being good at acting, being cosmetically attractive and being good at lying has become more desirable, and more highly rewarded than being accurate and honest. Appearance has become more important than reality these days, and as anyone who studied psychology forty years or so ago should be able to confirm, there has been a pernicious movement to indoctrinate the gullible that what people think is far more important than what is real, even when what they think is false. How could that ever be good for a society? It could only be good for predators surely?

  • Comment number 9.

    #8

    tb01

    I'm personally aware of other, disgusting, idiotic and abusive ways used by 'males' to attract a female.

    There's nothing wrong or superficial i'n looking smart, downright elegant or pretty. It's nothing to do at all with living i'n liberal democracies. I should know something about this having lived under the Soviets. Lots of my poor financially poor compatriots did look smart, elegant or pretty. I hardly ever did myself due to bad luck or due toy distraught grandma who'd developed a taste for almost exaggerated modesty because of the 2nd World War and loss of her wonderful brother murdered unscrupulously by Stalin's henchmen i'n Katyn.

    Stop 'lecturing' us. It's not leading anywhere.

  • Comment number 10.

    WHY IS 'COMMUNICATION', PER SE, A POSITVE ATTRIBUTE?

    Daily we hear (and have heard) the pundits (BBC and others) praising Blair as a 'great communicator'. Why? Manipulators communicate manipulation; con men communicate falsehood; liars communicate lies; politicians communicate verbose vacuousness; Bart Simpson: "Eat my shorts" and I'll throw in terrorists . . . Where is the virtue in that process?

    Do pundits ever stop to think?

    One reason we are in this frightful mess is PRECISELY BECAUSE BLAIR 'COMMUNICATED' WITH SO MANY UNTHINKING NINNIES. Now that he has bitten deep into Britain's neck, and gone elsewhere with his fill of blood, leaving us debilitated, the pundits are finding the real Tony in his book.

    But the truth about Tony was always dancing in front of our eyes. And now 'we have another one'.

    Footnote: Suddenly Dave and Nick are Zaphod Beeblebrox in my head. I just can't shake the image! Guess who is the ineffectual second head.

  • Comment number 11.

    #5 DJ

    You are right on both counts. However, we also need to tackle "originate-to-distribute" loan creation. A Glass-Steagall style wall between institutions is pointless if your mortgage has been spliced across these two different types. Who really owns the asset? If the investment bank fails and they "owned" it, what would happen to your mortgage?

    The complexity of modern banking only serves to obfuscate risk ownership. Let us not forget that banks do not inherently transform or reduce risk, they can only either absorb risk or transfer it. It is the originate-to-distribute model that opened the flood gates to massive risk transfer practices. Transfers that can conveniently dump responsibility for bad loans on to gullible counterparties (such as AIG, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac), or ultimately the taxpayer (as Greece, Ireland and Iceland most alarmingly attest).

  • Comment number 12.

    #10 addendum

    I bet you just 'love' ogling prettllly dressed up ladies with their lovely breasts showing under low tops i'n short skirts and wearing high heels. Or do you avert your eyes away i'n disapproval, tb01?

  • Comment number 13.

    Re 8

    If you re-read my post, you will see I was answering a question.

    You need to be corrected/enlightened/educated sometimes Mimpromptu, just as we all do. You appear to be far too easily led by appearances and not concerned enough with reality-testing. You should be encouraged to question your judgments more, if one doesn't one is likely to behave in a self-centred, paranoid manner.

    As a trivial bit of help, there's no apostrophe in the word in (e.g. i'n Katyn should be in Katyn).

    If one is told something about oneself which highlights error, and one responds to that with rage/anger/spite, that's not conducive to becoming a socialised/civilized person. It's how a naughty child behaves ('answering back'). Nor is one ever likely to benefit from education by behaving that way.

  • Comment number 14.

    "12. At 5:04pm on 03 Sep 2010, mimpromptu wrote:

    "I bet you just 'love' ogling prettllly dressed up ladies with their lovely breasts showing under low tops i'n short skirts and wearing high heels. Or do you avert your eyes away i'n disapproval, tb01?"

    "I bet you just love eating delicious food".

    Sometimes, if one constructs sentences in certain ways, they are likely to be true almost by construction. However, what if I am female, or gay?

    I'd like to think that what I have to say here is not just an expression of my own personal tastes.

    You get a lot wrong Mimpromptu and you make a lot of things up which are simply not true and which are probably offensive to other people. But you probably can't see how and why you offend. It's not healthy to do what you do. Did you see the Richard Dawkins programme on "Enemies of Reason'? You are such an "enemy of reason", because you make things up which are not true, and you make out that the things you make up are true to other people. You keep telling us this. This is evidence of illness.

  • Comment number 15.

    10. At 4:42pm on 03 Sep 2010, barriesingleton wrote:

    "Daily we hear (and have heard) the pundits (BBC and others) praising Blair as a 'great communicator'. Why? "

    It's because most people are educated just in these sorts of subjects these days (and not the sciences - did you see the website I listed?), The sciences and engineering are very hard work as they're largely about facts, truth and rules. It's much easier to sell publications and programmes which are merely about words i.e 'communication; as none of that needs to true or false, just entertaining. It's good for publishers and the media in general to broadcast and print twaddle. Look who buys most of it...see the data.

    This is why we have no productive economy anymore. Women don't make good scientists and engineers on the whole, but women can communicate. Just look on any street and see the cell phones. Loads of money. Sadly, none of it is productive.

  • Comment number 16.

    WHAT ABOUT THE FACELESS GUYS WITH THE AAA STAMPS? (5 & 11)

    I am ex small business. I understand cash flow, solvent trading and credit days but this AAA thing seems is way beyond me. Stamping high risk loans 'AAA' is surely like stamping an over-trading small business 'SOLVENT'. But, as far as I know, THAT office never existed.

    Can we name any AAA stamp wielders? Do we know how they got to hold that position? The questions are obvious - the answers must surely be revealing. Were the questions ever really asked?

  • Comment number 17.

    Why no coverage of the Coulson and the New York Times expose re phone tapping?

  • Comment number 18.

    tb01

    You're not a female though you might be a bisexual. If you ask people I meet i'n REAL life, most of them, I should imagine, they'll say I am a civilised and a very friendly person. In fact, that's what they tell mecat Queen's, for example.

    Of course we all learn one way or another throughout our lives but thank you I don"t think I'm interested i'n your type of 'education'/training'.

    As far as i'n is concerned it's my iPhone04 that keeps defaulting to the way it appears i'n whatever I write. I'm not sure whether it's you or 'housey' but one of you keeps spelling wrongly the third person possessive article.

  • Comment number 19.

    #13

    Where do you get the idea from that I'm paranoid, may I ask? Would I be challenging certain figures of the establishment, for example, if this was the case? No!!!! I perfectly realise it is a risky buisness, especially that I'm fighting my corner virtually on my own, though realising as well that I do have both sympathy and support of other prominent people and not only i'n the UK. On several occasions, i'n fact, I have been told that I'm brave and strong, not only physically.

  • Comment number 20.

    mindys_housemate wrote on thursday's post.

    'i did not rant, i stated what i deduced from what i had seen already.'
    No you didn't rant did you. Maybe a little foam from the splashback got on those rose tinted glasses your wearing perhaps, but no, you didn't rant.
    Islam, a peaceful religion you say, really! This peaceful religion has interesting statistics if you care to go and look.
    Question. How many Muslims have killed their fellow Muslims since 1948?
    I'll give you a clue. Theres a ten and a load of zeros.
    I would suggest to you mindy, the world is a lot bigger and nastier than your passport has given you passage to.
    I can take you to places in Jamaica where you will always be safe; down the road you'll be in danger
    I can take you to Lithuania where you'll enjoy the night life where everybody will treat you kindly; further up the road you'll be in grave danger.
    I can take you to parts of Russia that would leave its mark on you, never forgetting the great hospitality shown to you -this costs by the way. Go down the road in the non-touristy areas and you could have your throat slit because someone wanted your coat. Russians can be very brutal people. Have you ever met russians on your travels Mindy? Have they all be lovely?

    Have you ever spent anytime in an Islamic county for.. lets say, two years for example. Where you've really picked up on this 'peace loving culture' that your wear the garb to fit in? Have you ever witnessed a stoning? ..a fellow human being covered in a white cloth so that the claret really shows, where the followers of this peace loving religion debate about the size of the rocks they are gonna throw like its a fun day out. Something tells me you haven't, its a gut feeling I get from when i read your comments. Maybe your view of the world is based on what you watch via the tube and those safe package holidays you've had.
    P:S. Muslim man is gonna have his spine severed for the punishment of crippling a fellow Muslim in a street brawl. This punishment will be carried out by a specialist surgeon in a hospital. He should count himself lucky, if he'd killed the man, he could've been stoned to death...if he or his family hadn't raised enough in the frantic whip-round to pay the blood money.

  • Comment number 21.

    #19 addendum

    PHYSICAL STRENGTH & ENERGY

    Singie, I DRINK and smoke, and I am strong. Perhaps almost exceptionally so for my age. It could be something with all the hard work that I did for years and years. Do you know that I one summer I ran the kitchen at Kew Gardens? That was very hard indeed from the physical and concentration point of view with hundreds of people passing by every day with additional extra dinners for guests, including the then Speaker of the House of Commons, Mr Bernard Weatherill with the Australian High Commissioner. They seemed to like what I'd cooked for them unless their comments were hypocritical since you seem to think that all politicians are good for nothing hypocrites.

    mim

    mom

  • Comment number 22.

    THE FOLLY OF MIXING IN TIME AND SPACE (#20)

    I'm not taking sides Kev.

    Somewhere round here I posted about Christian brutality. Christian countries are still brutal really, but a cowardly Cruise Missile LOOKS so innocent WHEN IT LEAVES.

    It is self evident that, at the start of this 'interglacial' we had been penned up by adverse conditions, long enough to form distinctive groups (appearance) and to devise distinctive belief-traits. That's how it should have stayed. But then ocean going ships were devised, automotive power and finally cheap air travel. That was a bad 'day'.

    Juvenile HomSap simply cannot cope with the consequences. But the greatest folly is to get worked up because 'they' are not where WE are in time and space. If we apply moat and beam (OUR religion) we might well find that WHAT WE DO TO OUR OWN, amounts to PSYCHOLOGICAL STONING, but we don't notice it because it is ubiquitous in our culture.

    Never mind travelling the world - spend a few months in a local 'care' home, if you want to see man's inhumanity to man, as a cultural norm, going unremarked in today's Britain.

    The human veneer is paper thin - civilisation's gloss, even thinner.

  • Comment number 23.

    I'VE STIRRED UP ONE HELLUVA HORNETS NEST...SO THE REST OF YOU HAD BETTER WATCH OUT!

    Radical Islam is world's greatest threat - Tony Blair
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11182225

    Tony Blair has been making the rounds following the publication of his memoirs Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has described radical Islam as the greatest threat facing the world today.
    He made the remark in a BBC interview marking the publication of his memoirs.
    Mr Blair said radical Islamists believed that whatever was done in the name of their cause was justified - including the use of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.
    -------------------------
    Mr Blair, who led Britain into war in Afghanistan and Iraq, denied that his own policies had fuelled radicalism.
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    Cheers!

  • Comment number 24.

    #23

    We know all about you
    Good of you, however, to 'state' your czse again - it will sure help
    'enjoy' it

  • Comment number 25.

    #24

    Are you feeling like a 'real British hero' just now, debtjuggler? I'm sure the Nation will be very 'grateful', as well as to singie and 'kev', plus a few 'others', among those your 'helpers' with connectuons in the world, particularly those from the deposed Labour government. I wonder whether they are feeling 'proud'? A 'magnificent job' you're doing.

  • Comment number 26.

    "Tony Blair has been making the rounds following the publication of his memoirs Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has described radical Islam as the greatest threat facing the world today.
    He made the remark in a BBC interview marking the publication of his memoirs.
    Mr Blair said radical Islamists believed that whatever was done in the name of their cause was justified - including the use of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.

    Mr Blair, who led Britain into war in Afghanistan and Iraq, denied that his own policies had fuelled radicalism. "

    -------

    Tony Blair has been making the rounds following the publication of his memoirs Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has described Communist China as the greatest threat facing the world today.
    He made the remark in a BBC interview marking the publication of his memoirs.
    Mr Blair said Chinese Communists believed that whatever was done in the name of their cause was justified - including the use of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.

    Mr Blair, who led Britain into war in Afghanistan and Iraq, denied that his own policies had fuelled Communist radicalism.


    -----------

    Tony Blair has been making the rounds following the publication of his memoirs Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has described radical Environmentalists as the greatest threat facing the world today.
    He made the remark in a BBC interview marking the publication of his memoirs.
    Mr Blair said radicals believed that whatever was done in the name of their cause was justified - including the use of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.

    Mr Blair, who led Britain into war in Afghanistan and Iraq, denied that his own policies had fuelled Environmentalism.


    ---------

    Tony Blair has been making the rounds following the publication of his memoirs Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has described American Imperialism as the greatest threat facing the world today.
    He made the remark in a BBC interview marking the publication of his memoirs.
    Mr Blair said US Imperialists believed that whatever was done in the name of their cause was justified - including the use of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.

    Mr Blair, who led Britain into war in Afghanistan and Iraq, denied that his own policies had fuelled American Imperialism.

    ----------------

    Tony Blair has been making the rounds following the publication of his memoirs Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has described traffic wardens as the greatest threat facing the world today.
    He made the remark in a BBC interview marking the publication of his memoirs.
    Mr Blair said traffic wardens believed that whatever was done in the name of their cause was justified - including the use of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.

    Mr Blair, who led Britain into war in Afghanistan and Iraq, denied that his own policies may have contributed to the situation we are in.


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    -------------------------
    "Mr Blair, who led Britain into war in Afghanistan and Iraq, denied that his own policies had fuelled radicalism."

  • Comment number 27.

    intereting points you made earlier, tabblenabble, and i have to say you got the answers you deserved from her, maybe better than i could have done. Well spoken mim.

  • Comment number 28.

    #27

    Are you trying to 'make up' between us and be 'buddies', 'housey'?? Forget it. Under no circumstances.

    mim /i.e. the POLISH, born Monika, though whether well polished or not is not for me to say or may be accused of a grandiose image of myself/

  • Comment number 29.

    'I WILL SURVIVE'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUoanho82H4

    There is more info about Mr Adam Kohn on the internet should anyone, Muslim or otherwise, be interested.

    Of course the Israli/Palestinian conflict is a very complicated one and the wounds on both sides are very deep but I do not see any benefit whatsoever in trying to score cheap points out of it in the comfort of living in a liberal democracy, if you know what I mean, some of you bloggers.

    mim

  • Comment number 30.

    #28: no, i was just impressed, and wanted to say so.

    #29: and again.

  • Comment number 31.

    #30

    oh, gee, fabulous

  • Comment number 32.

    NONE SO BLIND (#23)

    Blair is a fundamentalist extremist working from a false premise. IT DOESN'T GET ANY WORSE.

    He BELIEVES he is (divinely) right; ergo 'they' are wrong. He BELIEVES he may use any level of destruction for 'the greater good'.

    Like all delusional personalities HE CANNOT OBJECTIVELY VIEW HIMSELF.

    The FALSE PREMISE is that 9/11 was 'them' attacking us. When the facts emerge, into the light of reason, Tony will be so elevated that any contemplation of error will be beneath him.

    But worse than all that, the continuance of the Westminster Ethos, untouched by recent (constructive?) diversions such as allowances/expenses, means WE HAVE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE.

    WE CAN'T GO ON LIKE THIS. (D Cameron)

  • Comment number 33.

    "27. At 04:44am on 04 Sep 2010, Mindys_Housemate wrote:
    intereting points you made earlier, tabblenabble, and i have to say you got the answers you deserved from her, maybe better than i could have done. Well spoken mim."

    THE major change in the liberal-democracies in the past half century or so, as I see it, was the phenomenal increase in female higher education and workforce, especially from the 60s onwards (this was during the Cold War note). As a correlate (at least) there was a dramatic shift from an industrial to service sector dominated economy, a shrinking of the state at the expense of Libertarianism, an increase in the crime-rate, in family breakdown and marriage, in respect for authority and truth i.e. a dumbing down of the population in every sense of that term (see grade inflation for one measure but compare the liberal-democracies with the international PISA and TIMMS data on literacy and especially numeracy).

    What's worse is that there has been a catastrophic drop in the birth-rates which has necessitated mass immigration to compensate for ageing populations. Pensions have been hit, public sectors are being cut and soon we will see a drop in populations (already being seen in rural areas where immigration has had little compensatory impact). With school rolls falling, schools are amalgamating creating even more unemployment as they close or cut staff etc). This has all served to further break up communities and nations.

    Such is vanity. This is one reason, perhaps, why evil doing Islamists say "get control of your women" to the liberals (a direct quote from a Jewish man living in Jerusalem who had converted to Islam).

    Hell hath no fury....... It's subversion by any other name.

  • Comment number 34.

    Perhaps you shouldn't talk about myself and my family too much but as there has been talk on these pages and on Newsnight itself about animals, I thought I might as well share a bit of info from the family past, i.e. my direct predecessors, one a painter and another a sculptor, ran for a few years a toy factory whereby they made elephants, horses and giraffes. They also made pretty dolls. While, also amongst my direct predecessors were professional and well known dancers. As there was no telly in those days they didn't have all that much chance to become real, and so hated by NN bloggers 'celebs'.

    All right?

    Monika

  • Comment number 35.

    DO I SEEM OBSESSED WITH BLAIR? DEAD RIGHT. (HE WAS 'RIGHT' - MANY DEAD)

    Just spotted this classic Blair quote, reading DJ's link @23: "This extremism is so deep that in the end they have to know that they're facing a stronger will than theirs."

    CAN YOU SEE WHAT IT IS YET?

    To Tony it is a battle of wills - where did the triumph of RIGHT go? Take a look at Blair's family history (one of his biographers covers it - its on the web) and you will see that STRIVING loomed large. I won't go on - ears to hear, eyes to see, and all that. Just be aware;

    WE HAVE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE.

    PS Please strive (!) to follow the logic of Tony's utterance, above, and you will find none. DEEP EXTREMISM (as he would know, had he any insight) is simply not open to KNOWING anything that it does not wish to. THAT PRONOUNCEMENT IS THE HALLMARK OF TONY BLAIR and the blighted Blair Years.

  • Comment number 36.

    HERE IS THE ERRONEOUS BASIS FOR TONY'S CRUSADE

    http://buildingwhat.org/

    Who will inform this turbulent (bogus) priest?

  • Comment number 37.

    #34 addendum

    The toy and fine arts line of the family had Hungarian roots

  • Comment number 38.

    #35

    a 'stronger will' than Tony's or perhaps somebody else's?
    I'd rather live a mountain peak where there's enough space to 'accommodate' just one person /this idea comes from Dostoyevski's 'Crime and Punishment' though I have not killed anybody, apart from a few moths making the flat unhygenic, etc.

    By the way, I learned not to kill creepy crawlies outside in open spaces from a lady who used to run a horse club where I used to trott, gallop and ride without a saddle. I wasn't that amazing at it but I loved it and it was only for a limited period of time.


    mim

  • Comment number 39.

    #38 correction

    It should be 'I'd rather live on a mountain peak, etc'

  • Comment number 40.

    36. At 09:31am on 04 Sep 2010, barriesingleton wrote:

    "Who will inform this turbulent (bogus) priest?"

    That would be the Neocon/Libertarian Lobby.

    Read some Rawls, and who described him as his 'tutee' (Burton Dreben - See Rawls' Afterword written in 1997.

    These people are certainly not FOOLS. Anyone non-plussed - take that as a cue to do some research perhaps? The world is not all HELLO, OK and popular kiss/fight-and-tell, although for 66.7% of the population plus, that's all they can be bothered with, much to the relief/profit of those who know better.

  • Comment number 41.

    #40

    Oh, you, tb01, against liberal democracy and freedom, are making fat money out of the mess and chaos 'created'. Out of your heart and good will, is it??

  • Comment number 42.

    #41

    Is the money i'n your bank account yet or is it imaginary for the time being? If this is the case, I wonder what kind of 'conditions' do you expect to be fulfilled?? Why don't you spell them out for us?

  • Comment number 43.

    firms are moving from london to switzerland

    http://www.hedgefundintelligence.com/Article/2657714/Geneva-may-be-fine-for-some-but-not-for-all.html

    who is alan howard

    Brevan has grown to become Europe's largest hedge fund and the world's fourth biggest. Its assets under management have risen by $3.8bn (£2.5bn) since the start of 2010 to $31.8bn.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/7962705/Hedge-fund-Brevan-Howards-33-partners-share-86m.html

    ..A stalwart supporter of the Tories, Howard is acquainted with top figures including George Osborne and has served on the board of Conservative Friends of Israel...

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/mar/11/forces-rich-list-alan-howard

    phone tapping

    why has the guardian has never released its information on the names its says of those who broke the law?

  • Comment number 44.

    #43

    Is your post anything to do with my questions to tb01. jaunty?

  • Comment number 45.

    If any of you bloggers are expecting big bux from whatever you are and have been up to, I wonder whether you're actually planning to eat some of it. You're surely to find it very, very tasty. If so, bon appetit, but I do not think I shall partake i'n the 'feast'.

    mim

  • Comment number 46.

    44

    as you say you do not watch the show then you wouldn't understand the context?

    in the tax debate E.M. kept saying 'no one moves out of london do they'.

    the biggest hedge fund in europe has. to a country where they do not ask questions and do private deals for 'big customers'. So even if on the face of it switzerland has a higher rate of tax than uk in practice that is only the book figures rather than what some really pay.

    any tax on banks should be directly related to paying off the debt not hijacked by the climate change religionists to be squandered on their pet hallucinations like 'climate justice [ie giving the money to china]. Once the debt is paid off then the tax can be amended.

  • Comment number 47.

    When smart i'n the head
    And smart on the outside
    It doesn't mean there isn't a heart

    *********************

    Mods

    Have a good weekend. I hope there elements i'n today's posts which you find a/bemusing.

    Monika

  • Comment number 48.

    #46

    Thank you for your explenation, jaunty, though I shall not go into the nitty-gritty of your answer. I just wanted to make a point just i'n case it had anything to do with a Swiss bank account that 'Charlie Chaplin' was i'n an argument with an obviously honourable Pole on a Polish website a few months ago.

    mim

  • Comment number 49.

    #48 addendum

    I might as well add that although through the dancing and medical line of some of my predecessors I have very strong links to Swiss blood, I am not at all interested i'n becoming rich through dirty buisness. As I mentioned earlier today, I'd rather live alone on a mountain peak.

    mim

  • Comment number 50.

    and now my replies to rabblenabble are being swallowed up by the mods as much as my replies to gangy (crosses fingers) used to be. I wonder why?

  • Comment number 51.

    Sitting on a lawn watching football played
    I'm having a good time thinking of more rhyme

  • Comment number 52.

    in the US, it was the Govt under GWB that illegally tapped its citizens messages.

    here in the UK, our PM just employs those who do.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/magazine/05hacking-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3


    btw mods, #26 was just a reworking of Blair's comments, with no swearing i can remember. How can it merit such long consideration?

  • Comment number 53.

    #51:

    ahh, the mighty iPhone
    at your personal service,

    ...Royal stolen 'tekkie-bliss'
    given a new home? :P

  • Comment number 54.

    #52

    Thanks for this info, 'housey' but I'm wondering whether the PM can trust all those employees and whether some of them have not 'spun' a little, or fat, business on the side. Any ideas about that?

  • Comment number 55.

    PERHAPS ALASTAIR CAMPBELL HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH NEWSNIGHT? (#52)

    Campbell's adoration of the Magus should have been a degree course, such was its all-consuming nature Mork. Hell hath no fury like an acolyte piqued.

    Oh - it's all going awfully well.



  • Comment number 56.

    33. At 09:15am on 04 Sep 2010, tabblenabble01 wrote:

    "THE major change in the liberal-democracies in the past half century or so, as I see it, was the phenomenal increase in female higher education and workforce, especially from the 60s onwards (this was during the Cold War note)."

    --yes, that has certainly been a major feature, coming a great deal from the built-in egalitarianism of the Welfare State - education desegregated, and Human Rights legislation actually implemented giving greater opportunities to all.


    "As a correlate (at least)"

    --why? Please substantiate this claim. You offer no proof there are causative elements between these two elements in your argument.

    "there was a dramatic shift from an industrial to service sector dominated economy,"


    ---actually there was a large *increase* in manufacturing and productivity in general when the women entered the workforce from the 50s onwards, the great collapse of the UK Industrial base came with the conservative cuts from 1979 onwards, that drove domestic demand down so low that domestic manufacturing went broke. That was also when deregulation upon supermarket building, and financial deregulation also began to be introduced.


    "a shrinking of the state at the expense of Libertarianism,"

    --the State grew both in size and importance, as it now provided many basic services that millions of Britons had never had access to before. T the same time actual liberty grew, across many areas, at least partly because of the beneficial effects of good education for the ability of the population to both critique their environment, and also improve it.


    "an increase in the crime-rate,"


    --crime rates fell dramatically, during most of that period. General affluence is a good way to reduce crime rates.

    "in family breakdown and marriage,"


    --it became socially acceptable for women to leave abusive partners and husbands, so many took the opportunity to do so. This ability, aided by women's refuges, and also by their being able to receive the same benefits as men for the same circumstances, has reduced violence against women dramatically - since secular values replaced 'christian' values at the heart of Britain. There may be more "marriage breakdowns", but that is very complex, and not all aspects of it are negative.


    "in respect for authority and truth"


    --most people realise that "Authority" and "Truth" very rarely go together in Public-Life anymore. And probably never did. What is different now is that the Public are able to exchange information directly between them, to large groups of people, as peers. Improvement, surely?


    "i.e. a dumbing down of the population in every sense of that term (see grade inflation for one measure but compare the liberal-democracies with the international PISA and TIMMS data on literacy and especially numeracy)."

    --an *attempted* "dumbing down", that has clearly failed in some respects as has been seen on QuestionTime many times over the last couple of years. But then again look at the "Life-Style" drivel pumped out aimed at teenagers, especially by the large Corporates such as Sky.


    "What's worse is that there has been a catastrophic drop in the birth-rates which has necessitated mass immigration to compensate for ageing populations."


    --cliche. Can you explain the sequences of cause-effect that connects these two? Don't fail to include "unemployment" in your reply.

    Immigration has been allowed for various reasons, most quite essential. There was a short-term large-scale migration of workers from Europe, which was expected at the time, now shrinking rapidly.


    "Pensions have been hit,"

    --pensions have been **raided**, a completely different beast. Btw, what exactly do "pensions being hit" have to do with women entering the workplace, which is your supposed argument?

    "public sectors are being cut and soon we will see a drop in populations (already being seen in rural areas where immigration has had little compensatory impact). With school rolls falling, schools are amalgamating creating even more unemployment as they close or cut staff etc)."

    with class sizes of more than 30 pupils to a teacher, and the UK STILL spending a fraction of what its competitor Germany spends per pupil in the State system, some might have thought this could be a good time to reduce class sizes, personalise and improve education for our children, and invest in the future. But these are now "Times of Austerity", for everyone except the mega-rich.

    I'm just saying that some of the consequences of a falling population rate are potentially beneficial, if the situation had been looked at as a possibility rather than a problem. And our Govt was willing to tax its wealthy friends to pay for the investment into our futures.


    "This has all served to further break up communities and nations."

    --What, your post?? My apologies, but i doubt it. But thank you for letting us know why you think female emancipation is the "evil that has brought down the west".

    --can i have this afternoon back? :(

    Such is vanity. This is one reason, perhaps, why evil doing Islamists say "get control of your women" to the liberals (a direct quote from a Jewish man living in Jerusalem who had converted to Islam).

    Hell hath no fury....... It's subversion by any other name.

  • Comment number 57.

    #55

    No fury, and no end to 'self-promotion, like 52.

    Yes, it's going well, but wonderfully so.

  • Comment number 58.

    lol, missed this bit at the bottom.


    "Such is vanity. This is one reason, perhaps, why evil-doing Islamists say "get control of your women" to the liberals (a direct quote from a Jewish man living in Jerusalem who had converted to Islam)."

    --because women "hit pension funds"?

    --"Vanity" is most clear in your apparent belief you had created an argument here, rather than just a incoherent rant against women.

    there is, just as in Judaism and Christianity, a bias towards male rights in Islam, but in fact of those three, it is ISLAM that gives the most rights to women. Christian women were not allowed to leave their husbands, divorce, or even refuse sex to them. There was no crime of "marital rape" under Christian rule.

    we should be very happy indeed that we live in the secular society that has developed since the 50s, with modern secular values. But of the 3, it is actually Islam that has the closest values to the secular West. The Taliban are not representative of the vast majority of Islam.

    and that is why in Western society it is our Muslims who are most willing to speak openly about their worries of the Secular Society, because the our Christians know they have no chance whatsoever of attacking secularism openly, and the Jews simply don't give a monkey's about what mainstream society gets up to.



    "Hell hath no fury....... It's subversion by any other name."



    you tried, you failed. Women's Rights, Human Rights, and the Welfare State are beneficial. How's Rome these days, Inquisitor?

  • Comment number 59.

    "LET'S YOU AND HIM FIGHT" (TRANSACTIONAL ANALYSIS Eric Berne) (#56)

    Your afternoon well spent Mork. I have been following your exchanges with tab01 with considerable (neutral) interest. The content is thought provoking, and the personalities, so revealed, engaging. I intend to live another 7 years for tax purposes (the converse of Hotblack Desiato) so we three have some reasonable chance of meeting. I look forward to that day.

  • Comment number 60.

    JUST A THOUGHT (#58)

    Might 'core woman' actually feel at her most fulfilled as 'helpmeet' to a provider/protector man? And might 'core man' feel most affirmed as provider/protector to a nurturing woman?

    Might it be that our lack of WISDOM and technological cleverness, has allowed an over-simplified obsession with FAIRNESS to be morphed into false EQUALITIES that Nature abhors?

    I'll get me coat.

  • Comment number 61.

    #60: "I'll get me coat" rofl! ;)

    its an interesting cliche, and imho an artificial reflection of values rather than an accurate perception.

    human beings value protecting *each other*, no matter which gender. Men like to think their partners are protecting them, and helping them, as much as women do - and no matter which gender their respective partners are.

    as this is not only perfectly natural, and perfectly rational, and probably *almost* universal, could it not be placed near the realm of instinct for humans? Potentially?

    it is in fact our innate WISDOM, in recent times augmented by our technological cleverness, that has enabled that acceptance of FAIRNESS to be realised, that Nature loves. Imho. ♥


    ..."found a copy of the original Bible in my attic once. Which was nice." ^_^

  • Comment number 62.

    I THINK CLEVERNESS WILL BRING WISDOM BY DEFAULT (#61)

    Nannu nannu.

    When we can image the brain with a portable 'cap' I suspect a lot of cultural errors will shine out. Till then no one can tell stork from butter with any certainty.

    I hear Blair eulogisers outnumbered Blair vilifiers, in Ireland. See what I mean?

  • Comment number 63.

    #60

    I thought you were on to something there but you seem to revert to old silliness in #62. Shame.

  • Comment number 64.

    #62: "it is in fact our innate WISDOM, in recent times augmented by our technological cleverness, that has enabled that acceptance of FAIRNESS to be realised, that Nature loves."

    "I THINK CLEVERNESS WILL BRING WISDOM BY DEFAULT (#61)"


    i probably wouldn't have written that as a full 'my opinion', i was merely being a clever [bleep] and playing with your own phrase. ;)


    "When we can image the brain with a portable 'cap' I suspect a lot of cultural errors will shine out. Till then no one can tell stork from butter with any certainty."

    cultural 'errors' tend to shine out more with at least 2 types of experience: direct experience of other cultures through travel, and further/higher studies involving other cultures, either current or historical.

    is it not interesting this recent building 'meedja-hysteria' about the usefulness of a non-technical degree? Social sciences are there to critique, and to suggest improvements to our social environment, as the physical sciences do for the physical environment. Political scientists are much more likely to be concerned and warn against a growth of political fascism, than biologists are.

    now, why would certain aspects of our meedja like to downgrade the ability to critique what is happening within Society, and be able to compare it to historical, or other contemporary cultures?


    re Blair and the Irish: the Irish were not taken into The War on Islam by him.

  • Comment number 65.

    #61

    You Bible 'thing' reminds me' of what Paxo said i'n The Radio Times about students taking part i'n the University Challenge about not knowing enough of it. Perhaps Jeremy could teach you a thing or two.

  • Comment number 66.

    #65: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alQjtnWQlAE

    (although that particular skit wasn't included in this, unfortunately.)



    i'm certain he could.

  • Comment number 67.

    #66

    good of you to admit it

  • Comment number 68.

  • Comment number 69.

    EXTREME YANG RULES OK (#68)

    Just a thought. The Yin/Yang emblem shows the cycle. It seems pretty evident that we are in the most yang area right now but Yin is in the wings (perhaps when we cross the galactic plane - 2010?)

    Extreme man is unprincipled, ruthless, deceitful, nihilistic etc. Science, being male, was bound to succumb. Blair's triumph also a marker?

    And please don't say women's new 'freedoms' disprove my point. The freedoms gained are MALE and have been gained under a male ethos. Such freedoms entrap Woman, to live within the lie.

    I'll get me stab-vest.

  • Comment number 70.

    be careful over Coulson...he knows where we all live.......

  • Comment number 71.

    #68: Lizzy, do you think oil is an infinite resource, or do you think we should already be constructing a post-oil economy not reliant upon this import? Do you recognise there may be other environmental problems?

    retooling and modernising Britain is an opportunity not only to reduce our dependence on other countries, but also by doing it 'in-house' so to speak, *not* enormous foreign multi-nats, will create companies, jobs and skills in the UK.

    growth.

    it is enough to build for energy security, and economic growth, but the chance that AGW is actually happening and we had done what was needed to save from that devastation makes it such an easy choice, for me.

    what are your thoughts on this?


    barry:
    "And please don't say women's new 'freedoms' disprove my point. The freedoms gained are MALE and have been gained under a male ethos. Such freedoms entrap Woman, to live within the lie. "

    i wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. Could you elaborate though?

    "I'll get me stab-vest. "


    [looks for "hand grenades" from ebay] >=]

  • Comment number 72.

    mods, ty for posting #26. ♥

  • Comment number 73.

    Never mind Blair. Do you, 'housey', believe that is done in the name of your cause cause is justified - including the use of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons?? That's what singie seems to believe as well.

    Are you enjoying yourself right now?

  • Comment number 74.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 75.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 76.

    Mods

    Thank you e-mailing me back so quickly #74 & #75, the posts that you deemed unsuitable.

    Monika

  • Comment number 77.

    #71

    Do you work, 'housey', as a 'traffic warden'? How much do you get paid for the 'job', I wonder?

  • Comment number 78.

    #72

    "And please don't say women's new 'freedoms' disprove my point. The freedoms gained are MALE and have been gained under a male ethos. Such freedoms entrap Woman, to live within the lie. "

    I know exactly what singie talks about here but do you really and truly feel free and happy or have you both made yourselves slaves of your obsession/s?

  • Comment number 79.

    WARM-UP ACT (#71)



    CONSEQUENTIAL LOSS

    Once, Mother Nature looked on as men fought
    remarking: nothing seeds quite like success!
    And though brute-force was all a winner had
    such seed – embraced – would yield a brutal lad.

    But perched precariously atop that ape:
    a cerebrum hell-bent on cleverness;
    beneath a bonehead skull, soft grey deceit
    in nihilistic glee schemed brute defeat.

    Once, man-power and an innate will to fight
    behove a man to take the sovereign’s coin;
    with luck he would return from foreign field
    not die there with his innards all revealed.

    He fought in daylight that his God might see
    the valour he displayed in battle joined
    and when it grew too dark for slaughtering
    he sought a little fruitful roistering.

    Now that has changed - thanks to technology
    and high-tech kit supplants the scout’s keen eye
    attacking in the dark was once thought mean
    but with night-vision goggles – mean is green!

    The boffin brain loves war’s technology
    that brings about a level killing field;
    today a slight squadette – driving a tank
    sees off a six foot, murderous, sperm-bank.

    Soon robot squaddies - loyal to a “man”
    not on their stomachs marching - but on chips
    will long no more for homelands when they fall
    as all terrain’s the same when in the virtual.

    In that new dawn the nerds will rule the waves
    Great Britain’s destiny: to be effete
    with geeky meek inheriting the Earth
    outranking that dumb brute who once had worth.

    Then Mother Nature, sad at Woman’s flight
    from motherhood and nurture in these days
    will deem manhood’s departure that last straw
    and from this vale of tears she will withdraw.

    10.11.07


  • Comment number 80.

    #79

    When Mother Nature withdraws, singie, what kind of trail is she going to leave behind, a beautifully scented type or a great big stink accompanied by a wink? I wonder which eye she's going to use. What do you think the left one or the right one?

  • Comment number 81.

    #80

    + Are you feeling 'blissful' right now?

  • Comment number 82.

    mimpromto whatever...why do you keep asking people how they feel?...you should get out more....

  • Comment number 83.

    #82

    None of your business, stevie, whether I get out or not. Perhaps I'm reading books in between or I might be making a tasty salad for a few days. Besides there is MUSIC, stevie, that I like to listen to at home with an occasional twirl. And, if I ask singie how he's feeling, he can respond. Or do you have any links to this senior citizen who's into 'chemical and nuclear, etc' experimentation now that he's retired? It's his own words. So, once again, none of your business what I'm up to.

  • Comment number 84.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 85.

    MICHAEL GOVE QUOTES BLAIR AS VALIDATION OF COALITION POLICY.

    Well - I know I often call Westminster a 'circus' but this is 'standup' comedy!

    So Priggy Boy HAS NO IDEA THAT BLAIR'S VIEW - ON ANYTHING - IS NOT WORTH AN EPITHET! And Priggy boy is 'helping' to govern us.

    ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL . . . . .

    Nick'll fix it.

  • Comment number 86.

    POPE COMES AS SPIRITUAL LEADER OF (ONLY) ONE IN FIVE SAYS ARCHBISHOP

    And his logic is that we should THEREFORE pay up and look cheerful.

    Huh?

    My logic is that Catholics are probably barking up the wrong religion - being ignored by God (who works on the majority principle, to be fair).

    Mind you, we currently fund the protection of another 'world figure' as he travels around, being great, so . . .

  • Comment number 87.

    #82 addendum

    Besides, stevie, I went to a late night wedding party last night and don't feel like 'mixing' with cars too much today, nor indeed with all kinds of idiots in Queensway. Funnily enough, somebody else remarked that there were quite a few of those around there.

    Do you understand?

  • Comment number 88.

    Bloggers & Newsnight Team

    I've just had a brilliant idea but am not going to tell you what it is. It may not work out anyway but just in case it does, I'd rather you didn't interfere before I try, unexpectedly, myself. I shall not divulge the timing of it either.

    Monika

  • Comment number 89.

  • Comment number 90.

    Vaccines, eugenics, depopulation and Bill Gates.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_kei648oI

  • Comment number 91.

    NOW IF THAT WERE ABOUT AN IRANIAN THROWING A WOMAN INTO A CELL . . (#89)

    We Christians REALLY MUST learn our Bible, and practise Moat and Beam.
    This morning the 'Sunday Morning Live' programme was deploring Sharia stoning, but none of the three worthies mentioned our Family Courts or our 'care' of the terminally old.

    Disparity begins at home.

  • Comment number 92.

    #79: "CONSEQUENTIAL LOSS

    Once, Mother Nature looked on as men fought
    remarking: nothing seeds quite like success!
    And though brute-force was all a winner had
    such seed – embraced – would yield a brutal lad.

    But perched precariously atop that ape:
    a cerebrum hell-bent on cleverness;
    beneath a bonehead skull, soft grey deceit
    in nihilistic glee schemed brute defeat.

    Once, man-power and an innate will to fight
    behove a man to take the sovereign’s coin;
    with luck he would return from foreign field
    not die there with his innards all revealed.

    He fought in daylight that his God might see
    the valour he displayed in battle joined
    and when it grew too dark for slaughtering
    he sought a little fruitful roistering.

    Now that has changed - thanks to technology
    and high-tech kit supplants the scout’s keen eye
    attacking in the dark was once thought mean
    but with night-vision goggles – mean is green!

    The boffin brain loves war’s technology
    that brings about a level killing field;
    today a slight squadette – driving a tank
    sees off a six foot, murderous, sperm-bank.

    Soon robot squaddies - loyal to a “man”
    not on their stomachs marching - but on chips
    will long no more for homelands when they fall
    as all terrain’s the same when in the virtual.

    In that new dawn the nerds will rule the waves
    Great Britain’s destiny: to be effete
    with geeky meek inheriting the Earth
    outranking that dumb brute who once had worth.

    Then Mother Nature, sad at Woman’s flight
    from motherhood and nurture in these days
    will deem manhood’s departure that last straw
    and from this vale of tears she will withdraw.

    10.11.07"



    --- i'll get my hoody.

  • Comment number 93.

    happy sundays baz, :)

    #85:

    "MICHAEL GOVE QUOTES BLAIR AS VALIDATION OF COALITION POLICY"


    -- equivalent of "TONY BLAIR QUOTES MARGERET THATCHER AS VALIDATION OF NULABOUR POLICY", wouldn't you say?

    and as revealing.


    #86:

    "POPE COMES AS SPIRITUAL LEADER OF (ONLY) ONE IN FIVE SAYS ARCHBISHOP

    And his logic is that we should THEREFORE pay up and look cheerful. "


    is that 1/5th of UK catholics, or 1/5th of the whole UK? I'd be a little surprised if there are 12,000,000 Britons who regard this pope as *anything* Spiritual, let alone a "Spiritual Leader".

    it just bugs me we can't make the Church pay for the policing costs, which as we heard in the NN report, may even go up as far as £80M - all to be covered by OUR police-forces budgets.

    its not like the Vatican is short of a few bob or two, is it?

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/vatican_billions.htm

    and somewhere else the Vatican could spend money on:

    http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/2010/03/vaticans-wealth-should-be-used-to-pay.html


    #89: mistress,

    "Iran's hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has repeatedly branded the Holocaust a "myth" in his frequent anti-Israel diatribes drawing international condemnation, but **Iran's prominent clergy have rarely echoed such comments.** "


    ...aaaannnddd so WHAT if a random clergyman disputes the Holocaust? What *actual* difference does it make?

    is it that the Holocaust is used to justify the existence of Israel (because Europeans cannot be trusted)? Does the Holocaust justify the incomprehensible suffering the semitic Palestinians are going through?

    now, i can understand why Germany should have laws against Holocaust denial, but why should people half a planet away, who had NOTHING to do with the Holocaust, ALSO be forced to agree it happened?

    i thought the West was in favour of Free Speech, (re: cartoons)?


    frankly, it is beginning to look time for a law banning Israelis from denying the ethnic cleansing of Palestine is happening, THAT would have more impact than foaming at the mouth because some random [bleep]-head Iranian cleric spouts off.

    no, wait - i know, lets inavde Iran and slaughter 10s of millions of its Peoples, occupy its oil-fields, and generally make a complete murderous balls-up of everything (certainly intentionally ending its development and economic progress), in order to remove this very worrying opinion. That sounds like a good plan to me.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI&feature=related (NSFW)

  • Comment number 94.

    #90: kevsey, interesting link.

  • Comment number 95.

    Barrie has someone heard your view on the 19 bars at Westminster?!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7981884/Beer-prices-on-the-rise-for-MPs.html

  • Comment number 96.

    #95

    Doubt it's anything to do with singie, Ecolizzy, and I'm sure they'll manage. When the general population faces rises, then it seems quite an honourable thing to do.

    mim

  • Comment number 97.

    BLESSED ARE THE POOR 'IN SPIRIT' (OR EVEN IN BREW) (#95)

    Would it were so Lizzy. This is, sadly, just 'all round savings'.

    'One senior Labour MP' (yeah right) says it's 'scandalous'. Apparently he/she can't do the job without alcohol. There ya go, QED.

    We are a million miles from the Westminster bozos doing anything as HONOURABLE as leading by example. Indeed, as I might have said before, the Coalition could have removed the title 'Honourable' for the five years of this fixed Parliament. NOW THAT WOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING POWERFUL. We all know they are the sort of ninnies who crave status!

    Greater love hath no Christian than they give up some desperate attachment for the greater good. Oh - hang on - that's Buddhism isn't it. You don't suppose 'Jesus' nicked all his tenets from other religions do you? (He was gone a long time.) Oh no - AND he was Jewish.

    Phew - just remembered I'm a Taoist. No one to worship, and I am the centre of the Universe. Power with responsibility. Come on in, the philosophy's lovely.

  • Comment number 98.

    #97

    It must feel absolutely great to feel that one is the centre of the Universe. In some ways, we all are really though I feel some kind of centre of unwarranted attention. See what I mean, singie?

    Re: Jesus

    I was once told that Jesus travelled to the East and spent a considerable amount of time absorbiing other cultures, particularly, apparently, the Sikh philosophy which seems to be based on balanced principles of truth and equality:

    'The origins of Sikhism lie in the teachings of Guru Nanak and his successors. The essence of Sikh teaching is summed up by Nanak in these words: "Realisation of Truth is higher than all else. Higher still is truthful living".[6] Sikh teaching emphasizes the principle of equality of all humans and rejects discrimination on the basis of caste, creed, and gender. Sikh principles do not attach any importance to asceticism as a means to attain salvation, but stresses on the need of leading life as a householder.'

    The rest is history though not 100% proven.

  • Comment number 99.

    JESUS WAS A TIME TRAVELLER (#98)

    Maybe there were too many carpenters in the second decade AD? I bet his style was right retro around 1500! (;o)

  • Comment number 100.

    Don't fret all...

    ...a choir master will fix all the problems in teaching young boys in our state schools.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tqrmx

    I wonder whose idea this was, what their motivation was...and why they thought Gareth Malone is qualified for such a role in such a programme.

    Surely the problems in our schools are far more ideologically deep seated than this celebrity choir master can over come...but hey, who really cares about the kids when you can promote the next BBC darling on yet another air-time drivel excuse of a programme!

 

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