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Friday 18 June 2010

Verity Murphy | 18:06 UK time, Friday, 18 June 2010


The Unite union has urged Liberal Democrats to tear up their membership cards rather than be associated with cuts in public spending.

Unite has accused Lib Dem leaders of "falling hook, line and sinker" for an agenda of cuts in public services, a day after the coalition government cancelled 12 projects totalling £2bn agreed to by the previous Labour government since the start of 2010.

Tonight we will be examining how the cuts, announced by Liberal Democrat Danny Alexander, are going down with the party's grassroots supporters.

IMF Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn said today that he was confident about the future of the Spanish economy, and praised recent government measures aimed at restoring it to health.

"I'm confident. That's the main message I want to give," Mr Strauss-Kahn said after talks with Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.

Tonight we will be discussing whether that confidence is misplaced or not.

We have an interview with Stephen J Dubner, one of the co-authors of Freakonomics.

Plus, today is the anniversary of two of the most celebrated speeches of World War II - Charles de Gaulle's BBC broadcast urging the people of France not to capitulate to the Nazis and Winston Churchill's "finest hour" address to the British nation in which he said that the battle of France was over, and the battle of Britain about to begin.

Both of those speeches had the power to rally a nation, but what of speeches now? In this age of the internet and multi-channel TV does the power of words remain?


Yesterday the coalition government has cancelled 12 projects totalling £2bn agreed to by the previous Labour government since the start of 2010.

How are the cuts, announced by Liberal Democrat Danny Alexander, going down with Lib Dem grassroots supporters?

Also, as the IMF holds talks with Spanish authorities today we ask how precarious Spain's economy is right now, and what kind of threat it poses for us?


  • Comment number 1.

    many of the cuts are apparently quite sensible, which is a good tactic by this Govt. There are obviously *some* areas that can be profitably trimmed, and by finding them first the tacticians are probably hoping they can divert the 'anti-cuts' discussions onto shakier ground than defending cuts in local services, libraries, home-care, teachers etc.

    apart from stopping these 'last minute' nuLabour spending commitments on helping industry, its very hard to see any difference between the previous Govt and the current one economically. Still no Govt support for new industries, still swingeing cuts in Public Services, still allowing enormous tax-avoidance by the wealthy and multi-nationals, still further privatisations both overt and covert.

    the structural changes in the financial system won't mean jack when its EXACTLY the same people passing policy, as it seems to be. In fact, possibly even LESS regulation! Hardly surprising, when the 2 senior Tories come from Banking and Finance interest families.

  • Comment number 2.

    I only vote for the nice Lib Dems but there has been an attempt to create a narrative by Labour that some 2-300% of Lib Dem voters are now flocking to their door.

    That has not happened and is unlikely to happen as their attempts to destabilize the Lib Dems have not actually reflected any significant poll changes.

    Nobody wants the cuts but nobody wanted Labour to play Russian Roulette with big business and create high risk financial sector dependency coupled with light touch regulation that meant we were enthusiastically far more exposed than other countries to the "unique global economic phenomenon".

    It is common sense that nobody, Tory or Lib Dem, will be 100% happy with everything as it is a coalition requiring compromise but I venture that the voters seeing that their votes have counted and had some effect will generally be more content.

    It is probably too early for Lib Dem members and the public at large to form definitive views but I feel quite sure that Labour attempts to collapse the coalition and absorb discontented Lib Dem voters will come to nought.

    What does Labour, or New Labour, stand for?

  • Comment number 3.

    Now its nice weather and the World Cup is on, with a dodgey ball that may ruin the spectacle, so I will make clear that as the nice Mindys_Housemate has posted something I can't see this comment is not about said poster nor any other poster on this page right now.

    I would like to say something about a one time American Friend of the BNP who is still awaiting trial in the US for shooting a security guard at a Holocaust Memorial.

    I hope that is peachy, peachy, nicey, nicey OK.

    His views "of the Jew conspiracy to destroy the White gene-pool"
    and hatred of " blacks, Jews and democracy and he pays homage to Adolf Hitler" are not widespread in the US.

    The Klu Klux Klan, whom Nick Griffin of the BNP, has shared platforms with recently had a leader confess to the murder of a new recruit "who wanted out".

    We know recently that Collett the BNP publicity officer was arrested for allegedly threatening to kill his party leader Nick Griffin in a so called "palace coup" and that said Collett "as leader of the Young BNP was thwarted by an undercover documentary in 2002, in which he spoke of his admiration for Adolf Hitler and the UDA terrorist Johnny Adair".

    Griffin on Question Time could not recall how he came to deny the Holocaust when he was younger.

    So do those people who vote for the BNP, a party that has won seats democratically and has MEP's who have been invited to a Palace garden party, believe that they are National Socialists - something they deny - or that they are "modern and progressive".

    If it is the latter shouldn't they be trying to flesh out that claim with policies by now?

    So far the failure to comply with the EHRC on racial membership and pledge to repatriate non "indigenous" citizens to their country of ethnic origin does not persuade.

  • Comment number 4.

    I am no kind of economist but I have huge sympathy for the economic leaders who have to try and balance what I assume can be a mathematically reduced risk of the cut now, cut later, grow and back end load the structural debt payback via tax factors to a risk analysis of what will probably happen.

    So now we are getting back on our feet the thought of Spain clocking up a large debt and potentially defaulting and then impacting on our banks must be devestating as the new risks I assume cannot be assessed at this time.

    Therefore we will be reactive rather than proactive and I assume the Keynsian analysis means there there is then a very narrow window for remedial actions.

    We are also all broke already so the big fear must be that there is a straw out there that may float gently down onto the camels back.

  • Comment number 5.

    "French President Nicolas Sarkozy has completed a visit to London marking the 70th anniversary of Charles de Gaulle's defiant wartime broadcast.

    After visiting the BBC radio studio where the general urged France to resist the Nazis, he expressed "eternal gratitude" for Britain's war effort. "

    Is it very "nice" of the BBC to bring up the war and villify the Nazis who left seventy million or so dead and massacred countless multitudes of innocents?

    After all both sides were much the same apart from the fact that one perpetrated the most hideous acts of evil modern history can recall!

    But then is there anybody who credibly would argue for the Nazis so who could be offended?

    Of course not so we can get our tamborines out and try a "nice" song.

    Fortunately for you all in cyber space nobody can hear me sing.

  • Comment number 6.

    Gang of one, information for you....

  • Comment number 7.


    I thought as much, Ecolizzy, that' why perhaps the resort to 'science' and willingness to 'share' but not with the one he is. so envious of. Under Bush he was saying something to the effect 'do it' and I'll watch. Any wonder i was so cautious right from the beginning?

    It's also possible that that's the reason for the most of his more than crazy posts, as well as his obsession not to miss anything not to his liking.


  • Comment number 8.

    Well, some are not happy.

    Just had this tweet:

    Ed_Miliband Spoken to union + management @SheffieldForgemasters. All agree ConDems must reverse decision to withdraw loan. Great company + workforce.

    Beyond suggesting we ask Mandy Rice-Davies for her thoughts on that last sentence, and accepting the inevitable when it comes to commenting on cuts (albeit pretty much as a direct result of what was 'achieved' whilst in power) by those in opposition, one has to wonder if ex-cabinet ministers, or indeed any pol keen to retain some stature, should be setting examples by using silly schoolboy pejoratives, even if just in their tweets.

    Unless the aim is to follow in the path of that great and respected statesman, Good Lord John Prescott. I guess it makes the money better, if not one's dignity.

  • Comment number 9.

    @MailOnline Staggering new figures show Labour paid army of consultants up to £643,000... EACH

    How many of them to a forge, Ed?

  • Comment number 10.

    #9: accountability requires transparency. Nice find, it will be interesting to learn how much these NEW quangos Oik is setting up are going to cost us.

  • Comment number 11.

    #1 mindys_housemate

    "the structural changes in the financial system won't mean jack when its EXACTLY the same people passing policy, as it seems to be. In fact, possibly even LESS regulation! Hardly surprising, when the 2 senior Tories come from Banking and Finance interest families."

    Aaaarrrhhh-he is being so unkind and hurtful why does somebody who worries about people who complain about National Socialists !

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh - he is so emotionally harsh - please God why is he so cruel to them peace lovers? Does he not understand them peace lovers Hitler peace lovers?(!!!!!)

    Oh maybe he prejudiced in some way? Maybe not like political parties with worries over racial membership but maybr worries over salute style and so on and so on.

  • Comment number 12.

    #10 Mindys_Housemate

    "accountability requires transparency. Nice find, it will be interesting to learn how much these NEW quangos Oik is setting up are going to cost us."

    Yerrr you are going to use ure intelligenze - nah for suh!

    Them other politcos - err dem ain't got no chnace coe you use fake language like der real people n' that is wot they respect!

    They loves u for ..... no reason co you don't do nothing but speak in fake language does ya!

    Corr blimey nah I speak like a Belfast boy wot describes is woman as a Queen - like wot yer does.

  • Comment number 13.

    #6 ecolizzy

    "Gang of one, information for you...."

    Well knock me down with a feather somebody who tries to encourage a certain type of view provides me with a link to "Hitler memorabilia 'attracts young Indians'" - wot a surprise in far right parlance.

    Thing is you are supposed to be, I believe, the outraged personality that I should even associate a credible modern human mind with Hitler who was so obviously a disaster for his generation.

    Do I not recall that youb are NOT the BNP and that you only "visited" the BNP site.

    Is this the summit of your intellectual grasp or is there even mote.

    Can the world wait?

  • Comment number 14.

    #1 mindys_housemate

    "Hardly surprising, when the 2 senior Tories come from Banking and Finance interest families."

    So in actual fact what are you charging as this is a vacuous statement from a clearly vacuous mind?

    Are you indicating prejudice and if so and you are more precise then people may take up your clarion call.

    But as ever people who whinge about "attack" on the far right will vacate to the darkness when words may convert to reality.

  • Comment number 15.

    #8 junkmale

    " All agree ConDems must reverse decision to withdraw loan."

    Yerr when half a million per job compared to say a h-o-s-pi-t-a-l where people maybe don't earn that kind of money (arf a million per job) maybe you could save a lot of j-o-b-s!.

    We all wants nuclear power don't we(?????)

    ' as anybody noticed 'ah nah in opp -o -sition - New Labour wot loved the banks talks all funny!

    Knock me dahn wiv a feather.

  • Comment number 16.

    #7 mimpromptu

    I am often accused of laying in to far right posters who are not far right posters but I have backtracked to #47 and assume you talk of b.s. whom I always saw as an extension of jajed_jean - am I missing the meaning?

  • Comment number 17.

    Right so it wuz watch Russell Brand (we all az to talk funny nah the luvvies are in opp-s-z-ition) or it wuz "explicate" ( a reference to far right pretensions) to people who may even be far right why arhgh glorious teme did not win.

    Could it be that cos the ball dos not travel will that maybe ther shape of the teme shude reflekt that and they shoudl play short balls thru ther centre?

    Like wot I said the other day 3-4-2-1 solves ther problems.

    I will take a fee if Capello is feeling generous.

    Possibly not on refelction but it is not 'is fault as it is the kryptonite ball wot causes the problems.

    I say the Italians, French, Spanish and English will "gang" up on Blatter and blatter him into resignation!

  • Comment number 18.


    The post, gango, was mainly intended for people who more or less my long and complicated story 1985 when, retrospectively unwittingly, I decided to become a student of Russian at SSEES which was at the time part of the University of London. Communism still reigned in the Eastern Block, again unwittingly for lack of referees I asked a friend whether her dad could do the reference for me. He was a left wing Jew from South Africa and was probably suspected of having communist leanings, if not actually a spy. I was not at all keen on politics when I was younger but all I knew I hated the Commies. I'm quite sure, however, that some of my tutors did have very strong links with the KGB, and since then have realised that at least one of them may be a double, if not multiple, spy while the other is a socialist with Gordon Brown actively trying to push him in my direction. I told the guy to leave me well alone but he wouldn't.

    Apart from that, there was an atmosphere of sexual competition rife in the place between the above tutors, with lots of tears, tension and students being wound up by them. Just about a nightmare and with me being intereted in people's lives I got myself 'involved' with the result that I'm still 'paying' for it. When I wanted to talk about things academic and possible further studies, having won an award in my 2nd year,k they thought I was after their bodies or wallet.

    Wherever I go, they are there, though hidden behind other people. They sometimes take over NN completely and participate on these pages. On the scale of their 'attachment' to myself, their numbers are 2 and 3 while number 1 is considered to be my former MP in Putney but I'd rather not talk about him too much here. All I can say is that on a few occasions he did actually help me practically, even after having lost his seat at Westminster.


  • Comment number 19.

    #18 addendum

    My friend's dad who is quite a well known writer was at the time a Professor of History, I think. I only met him once and I remember him as a very interesting and pleasant gentleman while my friendship, or acquaintainship with his daughter have broken down. She is, in fact, quite a clever and gifted lady but last time we met, I wasn't quite myself yet and still somewhat 'incubating', so to speak. It's only since meeting Jeremy Paxman, Alain de Botton, Steve Richards and the ladies who run the Media Society that something opened up in me helping me as a consequence build up confidence about myself and my creativity, on ice and in writing.

    There you are, the luck or misfortune of meeting the right or wrong people at the right or wrong time.


  • Comment number 20.

    another addendum to #18

    Those tutors, gango, do not really like me and definitely do not respect me. All they are after is how much money I can make for them while using state and international funds to play their 'game'. It's wrong, very wrong!! And I've been warning lots of people about it but somehow they've been able to get away with it until now.


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  • Comment number 22.

    #18: mim, i am sorry to hear your story. I hope you continue to get better, and that life supports you in that. I might not show it much, but i am pretty worried about the future. I hope that future is a better one, and that you are there to enjoy it. All the best.

  • Comment number 23.


    I bet you're sorry, in more than one way.

    Don't you worry yourself, however, about my future, it's looking bright & shiny, with the present in this respect not bad at al, in fact.

  • Comment number 24.


    Do you think that housey is in fact jj though writing in a different style to make himself more likeable?


  • Comment number 25.


    As a way of further explanation, until I started writing ditties, which was in May last year, I think, I didn't really realise that I did have that much sense of humour. But it's since about November last year after Jeremy's lecture in November at the Tate Modern that it really started to come to the forth and since then a kind of refinement of it, as well as of my own style began.

    Only a few weeks before then, a Labour MP asked during the PMQ about some National Treasure and waterworks, but then the Director of Tate, Mr Stephen Deuchar, after Jeremy's talk, called him a National Treasure as well, after which I had brief chats with both of them, and again I seemed to have taken the next step in the development of my communication and creativity, which isn't, or should not be, a static state of mind or expression but a constantly evolving thing.


  • Comment number 26.

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  • Comment number 27.

    :o( Anyone else disgusted over England's performance last night?

  • Comment number 28.


    given hmg locks people up in Belmarsh for mere possession of certain speeches or bans speakers from entering the country the power of the pen is still greater than the sword. which is why writers/speakers who do not increase the darkness of vested interest are the first in gulags or up against the wall.

  • Comment number 29.


    Wouldn't 'disappointed' be a better word to use. Disgust seems to have something untoward and dirty implied in its meaning and I shouldn't imagine they intended to lose. Or was their foul play on their part? I didn't see the match so I don"t know.


  • Comment number 30.

    @ Mim #29 - disgusted is the right word to use. Have a look at a replay of the match on the net and you will see what I mean. The England team are only good in adverts (excluding Steven Gerrard, who has actually scored in the World Cup). They are worth millions and are supposedly so "amazing" yet their performance was beyond abysmal. They are paid to get a ball across the field, into a net and score a goal, yet they failed to do even this. The draw against the USA was poor, but this was the worst. Is it any wonder that England fans who travelled all the way to South Africa to support their team booed them off the pitch?

    Do you like football Mim?

  • Comment number 31.

    #27: good luck to England in their next match, though. It would be nice to win the World Cup.

  • Comment number 32.

    slash jobs, make the poor poorer, all sound Tory philosophies...trouble is it costs twice as much in the end...but will they listen..will they ....

  • Comment number 33.


    Yes, Mistress76uk, I do like football but don't think I'll have time to watch the reply. Unfortunately, sports people, like most us in fact, do have good and not so good days. It's probably very hot in SA and tthings like that. Personally, I prefer to cheer people on rather than slug them off.

    When I was a little girl my mum set aside 400 zloty to buy me a real footbal but a bad boy pretended he was a friend of my brother's, I let him and he stole the money so I never got one as a child. Times were very hard those days. I wanted the ball not necessarily for football but also for hand games.

    I did, however, get a bike when slightly older. As a teenager I liked go play volleyball with school friends and the piano, briefly, as my family could not have possibly afforded one. These days I pretend to play it on ice, as well as all kinds of other instruments, including the trumpet.


  • Comment number 34.


    I am puzzled that a fair number of our polticians have gained a PPE degree, yet show scant signs of philosophical thought. I can only conclude that they sell the degree to the Devil, on entering Westminster, in return for political 'sucess'.

    How different our lives would be if only Westminster functioned philosophically first, and manipulatively last.

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  • Comment number 37.

    #33 addendum

    The thing is, Mistress76uk, that a lot blame can aportioned to the Mr Capello. Perhaps the atmosphere in the team is not what it should be and he is not able to motivate the players. I understand it's most important in team games.

    I remember an article whereby he declared that he was the only one taking his wife and that was it, basta. The tone of his announcement sounded authoritarian and uncaring.

    I used to follow football quite a bit and listened to David Mellor's live programme on Radio 5 but gave it up when the presenters, not Mr Mellor, started joking about sleeping naked in bed. I kind of wondered who they were talking about. I also stopped listening to Jazz FM when they in turn were mockingly talking about the Big Brother watching. I have so many things to do I don't miss them anyway. Voila!!


  • Comment number 38.

    "10th MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE CABINET" - DAVE of HUHNE. (# 35 link)

    Could Dave REALLY has said something so crass? What does it say of the Westminster ethos? Immature, hierarchical, self-obsessed and a long way from good, dedicated governance. In short - ALL ABOUT POWER.

    Oh - it's all going awfully well.

  • Comment number 39.

    I've just been thinking about the validity of all male clubs and have come to the conclusion that maybe it's not such a bad thing. At least in those places men do not have the temptation to keep eying women or compete with each other for their favours at whatever level.

    Women in turn could also have their all female clubs. Perhaps there are some around. Is anybody aware of one or are women simply happy to organise all girlie tea parties in the afternoons or dinners at home, while their husbands, partners or lovers are in their clubs, with both sexes obviously welcoming simgle individuals into their fold?


  • Comment number 40.



    The other day I went up and down Queensway with my heavy bags for a stroll. I couldn't even tell you how many people, male & female, of different ages &olours gave me a big smile or made an understanding gesture towards me.

    That's what it partly is, Big Society, people being simply kindly human, guided by their hearts, warmth or appreciation of another human being's presence and things like that, rather than being made into robots by the state.

    In fact, I've been thinking of doing some research into the role of the symbol of the heart round the globe. I suppose that in all Western or Western influenced cultures the symbol of the heart is common but wonder what kind of symbols the more indigineous cultures may have for expression of what the heart symbolises in the West.

    Yesterday I was listening to Leonard Cohen's CD 'Dear Heather' with songs like 'Morning Glory' and 'Villanelle For Our Time'. In the latter he sings about humanity rising again after bitter searching of the heart and becoming a sort of commonwealth rather than remaining divided by narrow laws and religions. In fact, it is art, including music, that is capable of speaking directly to the soul of the largest majorities of people wherever they may come from. On the cover, in fact, there are a couple of hearts intertwined together to make a unified whole with 'The Order of Unified Heart' for the title. Both songs are sung by Leonard Cohen and a female singer, Anjani Thomas.

    Hope you're getting some rest on your holidays


  • Comment number 41.


    I just saw a big beautiful plane flying low above my sky suite windows preparing to land at Heathrow and can't help the feeling that it has brought some good news to Great Britain with hope of a better future for all those, whatever their creed or race, who love and care about this country of ours.


  • Comment number 42.

    34. At 6:05pm on 19 Jun 2010, barriesingleton wrote:

    I am puzzled that a fair number of our polticians have gained a PPE degree, yet show scant signs of philosophical thought.

    Frankly, not much evidence of the other two having any positive impacts, competence over conviction-wise, either, TBH

  • Comment number 43.


    Have you read this article with Gerrard's assessment of the current position of England's team, about fans and the forthcoming Wednesday match?:

    That's the kind of spirit I appreciate!!!!

    Re: wiiners and losers on a more general note

    In sport there can only be one winner but it's all sides who have similar hopes and aspirations. The best way of approaching sports games is to make sure one is on form and does the best that one can, with one meaning an individual or a team. As long as this is the case and it's fair play it's all that matters.

    If we read what Slovenia's players and fans are saying, I'm sure it's exactly on similar lines.

    It's only sport, after all, it's not a life and death issue.


  • Comment number 44.

    CCTV BirMingingHam

    One Rule for them (with groveling apples, honor kill your own kids and other peoples, getting away with murder)

    Thousands of Rules for us

    the us does not include my dear pals and aye

    u pay poll tax i don't, paying for the old bill in bondage eh nah

    become a morris dancer carry a big stick and wear the veil/bourka hide the stick under the burke, the fuzz will be 2 feart 2 stop you, eazy innit

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    I've just been thinking about statistics re: the number of people currently, at this precise moment, are making love vs babies born out of these and destined to die.

    Now, should we peek into every abode, every field and haystack where couples are making love, or just having loveless hanky panky, count the numbers and publish them in newspapers or on the internet, or should we concern ourselves with the numbers of babies destined to die, the reasons for it and possible preventitive measures (though I'm not talking about well considered abortions made by women out of their own choice)?

    And should I stay at home and worry myself sick about all the disasters of whatever kind happening on this globe, or should I go to Queen's and do a bit of gliding & twirling? What do you think 'my self-imposing master/s' might think about it?

    Have a Good Day, BYT!!!! That's what I'm planning to do myself!!!!


  • Comment number 47.

    balls on AM this Morn

    1ST Class TWIT/tit

  • Comment number 48.


    Going back to the World Cup, do you think the English Team may be allowed to move the goal posts in order to win or do they have to abide by agreed rules of the game? Would they be allowed to maim their opponents and is not the done thing with fair play and all that?

    Because you see, Mistress76uk, there is an NN blogger who thinks that all is allowed for him to 'win'. He is 'in charge', you know??

    Absolute control that's him!! Hip hip, hooray!!


  • Comment number 49.

    A P P B PAP

    AmeriCan Put ProFits Before People And Places

    HELLo wos this ohh its an Acoustic Shutdown Device

    the 3 americants companys refuse 2 use one on the behaste of BP

    that thing would eat our PROfit they say...... an american rig run bye yanks

    In EuRow sea's they bye law and have 2 use them. elf n safety

    i no what iye wood do if i was ceo of bp

    is it time for me 2 bash the septics i have plenty of Ammo

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  • Comment number 51.

    whatever it is, "master', it doesn"t count, however many motorbikes you send or how many envoys you use, it's artificial

    very sad for you

    that is I'm not sad for you but it's sad state of affairs from your point of view

  • Comment number 52.


    Whatever happened to the ASA? i have just watched the latest Army Ad. They didn't show the small print:

    Past life is no indication of life hereafter. Number of limbs can 'go up' as well as down. Contract may be terminated without notice. This contract does not affect your statutory rights - in the final analysis, you have none.

  • Comment number 53.


    Update -

    I'm having a fantastic time today and hope that yours is equally enjoyable.

    I'm not sure whether I understood you correctly but were you planning to stop sending your thoughts to this website for good? Perhaps you could let us know? I'd sure miss the exchange between us.


  • Comment number 54.

    I've been thinking on ice today about spiritual heights:
    Most terrible atrocities have been, and are being, committed out of religious and ideological beliefs but religions have also been behind most wonderful artistic, musical and architectural achievements capable of reaching soaring heights which methinks can only be equalled by real and all embracing love. That's how I feel anyway!!!!


  • Comment number 55.

    Aren't our charities wonderful...... supporting criminals from around the world! : (

  • Comment number 56.

    #45 Thanks for that link Mistress, but you've depressed me even more! ; )

    Divided we fall!!!!! : (

  • Comment number 57.


    Is it me, or has Blair taken to speaking in a 'tongue-n-teeth' kinda y'know way? I recall that Johnnie Major took to a clipped, pedantic, prissy style - every syllable en-un-ciaa-ted and no contractions of couplets. And these were both PMs! No wonder Britian is up the creek without a Mr Allnutt.

    Oh - its all going awfullly well.

  • Comment number 58.


    Dumb voters, vote in dumb and devious MPs, to a Westminster that nurtures the dumb and the devious, in the name of democracy. The electorate is kept dumb (through schooling)and manipulated in the guise of universal suffrage, at election time. This, surely, is the British Ethos, under which devious Johnnie Foreigner (who may only be abused in his own land) comes to Britain, in the knowledge that we are institutionally dumb - and he can be blatantly devious.

    Oh - etc

  • Comment number 59.

    #58 And this Barrie confirms our dumb and devious status entirely. Have we really been that dumb to go into an unwinnable war, and spend £20 billion in the process and achieved nothing, except hatred of us by all muslims around the world.

    I know one thing for sure as a nation we lack imagination, we cannot picture or believe that a JF would do such things, they are all thick and we are the intelligent ones, NOT!

  • Comment number 60.


    Remember how Bush (and his minders) showed all the WRONG BEHAVIOUR when 9/11 was still under way? We know now that that was because Bush was in on the illusion BUT TOO DUMB/ARROGANT to play along convincingly.

    Now - turn it round. Is Hayward's WRONG BEHAVIOUR because, in his head, it is JOB DONE? Is Hayward so arrogant (I doubt he is dumb) that he simply can't be bothered to play the part?

    In passing. I see the oil should follow the Gulf Stream. Now where does that go again?

  • Comment number 61.

    In the hope that you do get in touch when you're back from your holidays, Brightyangthing, I'm wondering whether you've been able to find a secretary or a friend to help, or do you have to do everything yourself?

    As it's Father's Day today both in the UK and the USA, may I wish all the fathers to either continue their good work with their kids or try their best to improve and things like that. As I have said before, it's not necessarily the amount of time that parents spend with their offspring but quality and making sure that they keep themselves, or are kept occupied, in a constructive way, including obviously hobbies, etc.

    Barack Obama has actually written a very good letter, in my opinion, to fathers which is available on the White House website. I do like the Obamas' family touch, so to speak. They seem to have preserved that basic human instinct, warmth and common sense.

    On Mother's Day I had an idea of contacting the new UK Government to suggest establishing a Children's Day but didn't in the end but will try and contact them in the next few days to suggest it.

    Polish, and probably other Eastern European Kids do have one. It is celebrated on the 1st of June. It ain't fair, Kids are as important as those who made them.


  • Comment number 62.

    Your link regarding the Muslim madrassa or religious school(one of 166 in Britain today) begs the question:

    What risks are we taking by allowing extreme diversity in our society?

    This madrassa, set in the pretty Kent village of Chislehurst in our Kent countryside, bans music, drama and modern foreign languages as un-Islamic, and bans Shakespeare as a source of evil because his plays deal with issues such as love, revenge, adultery, murder and betrayal.

    Conversely, our media (including BBC) pushes the boundaries of offensive behaviour by constantly introducing all the worst aspects of devious sexual liberty and violence into popular soaps, documentaries and other programming in their bid to entertain, enlighten and inform the British public.

    The Headmaster is quoted as saying ‘As Muslims, we’re not interested in an education that is simply about getting a job. We’re not on Earth for this reason. We live on this Earth merely with a view to the next life’

    The think-tank Civitas review showed that many of these schools in Britain resisted cultural integration. Instead, sharia values on issues such as women’s rights, homosexuality, segregation of men and women, and capital punishment were being inculcated in children from a young age.

    Therein lies the similarities in our diversity; whilst some religious zealots indoctrinate their disciples to believe in a hereafter that includes rewards for slaughtering innocent non-believers, our mainly secular society no longer lives in fear of any divine retribution for similar acts.

    The great age of religion that was responsible for the ascent of man in the creation of religiously inspired works of music, literature and the arts is now passing and our society is sinking down into a life of selfish greed and godlessness.

    We desperately need a new moral Zeitgeist that will fulfill our individual and collective need for inspiration.
    I suggest that the worship of our planet (Mother Earth) should be a subject for inclusion in the curriculum of all state-aided schools, and that the scope of the schools watchdog Ofsted should be expanded to examine this ethos of separatism as opposed to the integration that NuLabor failed to achieve despite pumping taxpayers funds into a miriad of minority ethnic community support schemes.

    Alternatively, as one of the highest scoring bloggers posted on this article:

    "Why don't they have their Islam schools in Saudi, then they won't be tainted by others?"

  • Comment number 63.

    Apart from the theoretical jobs potentially created the withdrawal of the 80 million loan to Sheffield Forgemasters could be a complete disaster for the future of British industry. If Westinghouse proceed with their own 40 million part of the overall deal, and even if the Banks stump up, Forgemasters is in grave danger of being the subject of a foreign takeover. Westinghouse can therefore probably buy out Forgemasters on the cheap, the banks and their stock market parasites are frothing at the mouth on the prospect of getting the fee's to sort out the deal.

    There is therefore evidence to suggest that our new government is already dictating policy to favour false economic growth in the stock market. With Tim nice but dim ( with his well documented conflicts of interest ) elected as chair of the climate change select committee it obvious that the whole of climate policy will be slanted towards building up a false economic prospectus for green businesses in the hope that some corporate multinational will buy them out for a huge profit.

    Does the Speaker ( or his deputies ) have any power to intervene when there is alleged political influence on policy for personal gain by any minister or person in a similar position of relative power ?

  • Comment number 64.

    NICELY PUT IDG (#62)

    It is in the nature of religions to diversify rather than to unify. To all but the religious mind, that should show the hand of man behind them all. Yes Mother Earth reverence makes sense, but 'enlightened mankind' is in the last throws of dismantling all mother-reverence. We cannot start from here.

    Curiosity and ingenuity was always going to end in tears, during a benign epoch. Robert Ardrey summed it up when he designated us the 'Bad Weather Animal'. We are designed to struggle with extreme adversity. It is the antidote to all diseases of old-age, obesity, sloth etc. You don't even have enough years to die of lung cancer or liver disease even though narcotics and booze are as old as HomSap it seems.

    Were I rational I would just watch life go down the tubes. But I am designed to struggle - so I struggle - just for something to pass the time.

  • Comment number 65.

    Apparently, the English team have had clear-the-air talks with Capello. It might be a good idea for all the players to get together without the Italian and establish a positive strategy and motivation regardless of the arrangements on the field. If one's good, and the English players are good footballers, positive motivation and the will to win is the final touch one needs.

    All the very best, the Squad!!!!


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  • Comment number 67.

    60 Good Point B pass me the bucket and spade but only when the drift has drifted up the drift then and only then I will drift to the gulf

    then again they wont want me there plus there's 2 many guns I don't like guns or the untrained numptys who carry/use them, Is the civil war still going? they seem 2 keep killing each other and others.

  • Comment number 68.

    :o) There's life in the Cadbury family yet!

    At least someone has some principles - and Felicity Louden (Cadbury's heiress) puts her money where her mouth is, as she sells her estate to launch a rival chocolate company to Cadbury's. I will be queing up to buy some of her new production!

    (I haven't bought any Cadbury's chocolate since it got taken over, and noticed that it's permanently on offer everywhere, as everyone else is boycotting it too :p)

  • Comment number 69.


    who's killing who? could you please be a bit more precise?

  • Comment number 70.

    69 oh yes please

    handgun murders in usa plus sharp pointy things plus asSult guns etc
    how many since the end of the 2nd WW....a lot or not a lot


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