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Saturday 24 April 2010

Verity Murphy | 13:03 UK time, Saturday, 24 April 2010

Tonight we have a special Saturday edition of Newsnight hosted by Jeremy Paxman - at the much earlier time of 6.20pm on BBC Two. Here's what is coming up:

Jeremy will be discussing the events of the day - and the week - with the politicians Harriet Harman, Theresa May and Simon Hughes.

He will also be joined by the comedians Rufus Hound and Ed Byrne, and by novelist and editor of The Lady magazine, Rachel Johnson.

He will be talking live in the studio to Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National Party (BNP), who launched his party's manifesto on Friday.

And Justin Rowlatt has a report from Barking where Mr Griffin is standing to become the constituency's next MP and where the BNP is aiming to win control of the local authority.

We should add of course that BNP members are not the only candidates in Barking and you can see a full list of those vying to be the next MP here and a full list of those standing in the council elections here.

Plus we will have the latest animation of how the campaign is unfolding from Apple Daily - the Taiwanese TV team whose past political films and "reconstruction" of the Tiger Woods car crash became an online sensation.

Join us if you can at 6.20pm on BBC Two, or failing that the programme will be available afterwards on the BBC iPlayer, and highlights will be appearing on the Newsnight website.


  • Comment number 1.

    It is going to be a MAJOR edition tonight Jeremy v Nick Griffin! I predict viewing figures to be sky high :o)

  • Comment number 2.

    I find these 'invited audiences, mix of politicians and celebrities much less valuable than the direct interview. It is much too easy for all to get into 'playground' mode and 'my dad's biggerer 'n' your dad' rot. Hopefully JP won't be too tired (a 5 day week indeed just on NN projects) to manage the 'slithy tothes' so the audience has a chance to hear the points being made.

    #1 M76UK
    .....Or recorders being set around the nation. Up against Dr Who and the Time of Angels. Is there a hidden agenda there?

  • Comment number 3.


    I could, more or less, write the answers these politicians will give - REGARDLESS OF THE QUESTIONS.

    And as BYT says - the 'comedy relief' does confirm the pantomime brief.

    Why not ask party politicians - to their face - 'what part does the rosette play in canvassing?' my MP was in the town today, saying 'vote for me'. Surely he meant 'vote for my rosette'?

  • Comment number 4.


    I was wondering, BYT, how he was coping. Hopefully, with the sun shining and the birds singing, the political and celeb guests will be relaxed enough not to give him too much hassle and it is in their interest, after all, to reach audiences rather than put them off adding to their already low esteem with the public.


  • Comment number 5.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 6.


    9 days the sun has refused to present sun spot and we now have the Nazis being interviewed by Paxman - coincidence - I seriously doubt it. What ever the Hell next will the pathetically weak BBC do ?

    No sun spots = all round insanity - howling wolves at full moon, vampire fascists on the mainstream. I say buy as much silver as you can, 365 pairs of underpants then barricade yourself at home - eat garlic - loonies are coming. Everyone is now challenged by sanity.
    The reality with Greece - at some point someone is actually going to have to go in there and teach them about tax collection. They just don't get it.

  • Comment number 7.


    " #1 M76UK
    .....Or recorders being set around the nation. Up against Dr Who and the Time of Angels. Is there a hidden agenda there?"

    Just the same agenda that's forcing onto the GBP wall-to-wall cover 24/7 on what the 'Big3' are saying, doing, promising, so that we ignore the real changes offered by the minor parties and independents.

  • Comment number 8.

  • Comment number 9.


    But when Paxman interviewed Griffin, one had a good command of a difficult brief, and the other was a stumbling, overpaid, pretentious wally.

  • Comment number 10.

    Was that dumbing down or what?

    20 minutes of even more repetition about the fact that the Big 3 are not doing anything today, followed by 10 minutes of attempts by GP to trivialise a minor party's proposals, followed by childish Taiwanese animation and a couple of commedians of no consequence giving us the benefit of their opinions. You Can't be SERIOUS!

  • Comment number 11.

    I watched tonight's Newsnight, and even if some people were not able to watch it live, many will be watching later on iPlayer or would have recorded it. Nothing wrong with that. Besides, if it was put on the 8pm slot, it would have clashed with Britain's Got Talent!

    Outstanding interview by Jeremy with Nick Griffin - pity we couldn't have had him on for a longer. I'd been waiting to see that interview all day, and I wasn't disappointed. Good to see the local people of Barking & Dagenham being interviewed too, as well as Billy Bragg on air.

    :p and naughty Ed Byrne asking Rachel Johnson (Boris' sister!) if she would prefer a multiple Cleggasm. Priceless.

  • Comment number 12.


    It seems to have gone well for JP. He looked relaxed and everybody seemed on good behaviour. Stupidly, I missed the first 10 minutes and couldn't quite get into it, being on top of that affected and fighting 'pudsey' symptoms. I should imagine you understand what I'm talking about.

    I see that pudsey promoter, i.e. barriesingleton, is now 'dreaming' of 10-year old girls. What a 'fine' pair those 2 are.


  • Comment number 13.

    The BNP haven't got a useful working brain between them, therefore easy for Nick Griffin to look plausible with all the other idiots he has surrounding him. It would appear that the BNP is in need of a Stalinist style purge before it can present itself as a serious democratic party. They are obviously living in cloud cuckoo land to include mega expensive proposals for a 200 Mph " Mag-Lev " trains in their manifesto when the said speed can be achieved with " new line conventional rail " and integrated into the current system ?

  • Comment number 14.


    Now which Newsnight genius gave poor Jeremy the job of haranguing Griffin over defining 'indigenous'? Is there still a DENSA award?

    Life is littered with indefinables, my small-minded, backroom, media-studies graduate. Take; 'HARD WORKING FAMILIES'. Are you sitting comfortably? You shouldn't be! How hard is hard? What constitutes work? And the daddy of them all: WHAT IS A FAMILY? (let alone: how does a family work).

  • Comment number 15.

    No dumbing down with Arianna - The Big Short Dangly bits - Goldman Sachs emails :-

  • Comment number 16.

    forgot it was on...drat///watching football...was it worth getting it up on iPlayer?

  • Comment number 17.

    In the Paxman Cameron interview, Paxman questioned conservative ideology (capitalism)but did not point out that British industry was destroyed in the 80s and 90s as part of the then conservative government's plan to break the power of the unions, particularly in mining and manufacturing industry. It was the conservatives who destroyed British industry; there was little left by the time Labour came into power hence excepet the financial sector.

  • Comment number 18.


    Thatcher enticed council tenants to buy for peanuts as 'a price worth paying' to stitch potential strikers into mortgages. I have never seen this put on record.

    The sort of individual who thrives in Westminster, is very different from 'light and air' folk, like us. I have just been watching Baron Clarke of Tobacco Road. I rest my case.

  • Comment number 19.


    I'm happy for Jeremy to have a few days of rest from all the farce in the studio (especially the pudsey farce). Admittedly not all is farce but a lot of is where there shouldn't be any.


  • Comment number 20.

    Foreign Office

    .."a joke that has gone too far".

    they boast the selection process selects the brightest and the best.
    clearly the have been living on past glories for many years now? ever since the FO became ideological promoting regime change and democracy through military means?

    the selection process must select moral relativists and nihilists? so is it any wonder there is no rationality for the Good?

    and no one is sacked. For it to be approved to be sent out the line manager must have seen it and saw nothing wrong with it? which suggests the nihilism is institutional? in the real world such a collapse of 'core customer service' [in this case not creating international incidents] wouldn't be tolerated. but then the FO is not a job but a club.

    the evidence of vexacious wars, human rights issues, iran tub thumping etc is the FO is out of control and has been for many years?

  • Comment number 21.

  • Comment number 22.

    A dancing quote from Alexander Herzen for consideration by statists and pudsey bears:

    'Idealists are cowards about facing the truth; you push it away, you're afraid of facts that don't fit your theories. You believe that there is no salvation for the world except along the paths you have found. What you want is that the world should, out of gratitude for your devotion, dance to your tune, and, as soon as you realise that it has its own step and rhythm, you feel angry; you're cross, you despair. You haven't enough curiosity to watch it doing its own dance'.

  • Comment number 23.


    Oh, Mistress76uk, there are quite a few of us who think likewise. You should have worked it out by now. The man is spoilt for choice.

    However, my main concern and preoccupation has been his wellbeing as a WHOLE HUMAN BEING.

    Here's another quote from Alexander Herzen regarding ethical relativism:

    'Egoism and social sense are not virtues or vices. Both have to co-exist: without both there would be no history, no development, but either the scattered life of wild beasts or esle a herd of tame troglodytes. Kill the social sense in man - and you will get a savage orangutang; kill egoism in him, and he will become a tame monkey'.


  • Comment number 24.


    Nick Clegg was 'impressive' with Marr (except when 'gallery-edge' decreed an ultra close-up that, even on my 14" TV, SHOWED HIS MAKE-UP).
    Now why would they want to do that?

    But Young Nick was still banging on about 'choice' while neglecting the need for REVOLUTION. Nick and chums, comprising the LibDems, are toadstools of the WESTMINSTER ROT. They are alien to our world - aliens who cannot survive outside the artificial atmosphere of that place. No leader, emergent from any party that can thrive in Westminster, is going to eradicate that block to democracy-with-integrity. Change - REAL CHANGE (:o) - will come from outside; logically, it has to.

  • Comment number 25.


    I always think Jack Straw does APPALLED, sickeningly well. His whites come out far whiter than Tony's ever did, even though he sees no difference. There is not an 'ist' bone in that pure body - nor indeed, soul.

    But Milliband D is gaining rapidly - he has the eyes for it. Jack's eyes - let's be honest - cannot match that double olive stare from the Miliband countenance. I have only ever seen eyes like that on cult leaders, and the odd Messiah.

    Anyway - Milliband D is appalled (with gaze) about the Pope jokes; and Britain's claim to civility is in safe hands.

  • Comment number 26.


    The 'hip' Pope of Southpark was years ahead with the condom gag. He was discussing knobbly ones for the dispensing machine: "Penetrator" - - - I think they're called"

  • Comment number 27.


    does the FO do the same blue skies thinking when other religious [or not] leaders visit? one might easily imagine what such a list would include? bacon sandwiches all round etc?

    working at the FO must be one big moral relativists joke?

  • Comment number 28.


    The velocity of extremism is fixed across all faiths. Common Sense cannot escape from the Black Hole of faith.

    Faith is knowing what cannot be known supported by proofs that rely on faith. Cosmolgy is similar.

    I am. All else is referenced to my existence, even Einstein. (:o)

  • Comment number 29.

    Pathetic excuse to bounce my post #5 when it took four hours to write even though you accuse me of cut and paste, it does appear on a facebook board group under my own name, but as there are several prominent people with the same name as me I always post under brossen99 on the BBC and Independent Live Journal. The short quote from Friedman is there simply to illustrate a point, which you say is acceptable so why censor the entire article unless you are attempting to suppress freedom of speech under some kind of secret political agenda ?

  • Comment number 30.


    I did do a bit of blue mooning into the the light of mountainous yodelling earliier today and am now sitting at the feet of Shakespeare's Globe in memory and celebration of the globaly outstanding and exceptional Englishman.

    4.59 pm - I'm presently going to trottle up to the shop and as a reminder of the bard's world renown lines copy a few of them.

    5.11 pm

    'Music be the food of love, play on.'

    'Such stuff as dreams are made of.'

    '....good company, good wine, good welcome.'

    'What fools these mortals be.'

    'Where 6xships and the nodding violet grows.'

    'What visions have I seen.'

    'O, put me in thy books.'

    'All the world's a stage.'

    Happy writing, Brightyangthing


  • Comment number 31.


    I meant to say '........... yodelling on ice' and it should have been 'earlier' and 'globally'.

    Oh, and I also had a go at doing something with Nina Simone's 'To Be Young, Gifted and Black'.


  • Comment number 32.

  • Comment number 33.

    What was Stat/Math saying about you always know who your mother is....

    Not true it appears, how sad to mess this procedure up, especially as mistakes have almost doubled.

    So can anyone useing IVF be sure of who their parents are?

  • Comment number 34.

    #32 ecolizzy
    "The report warns that a proposed amnesty for illegal immigrants could add a total of 2.2m to the population because each of the 1.1m “regularised” illegals would be entitled to bring at least one spouse, child or other family member into Britain."

    And what happened to all those 'students' who came here under Gordos 'robust' points system, ostensibly to study at the hundreds of bogus schools that were later closed down. Many of those students were found not to have the £30,000+ means of support for which they had 'earned' their qualifying points, leaving them with no school and no 'work experience' employment.

    Gordo keeps boasting that "by the end of this year, the system will show entry AND exit", by which time most will have used the 'underground black economy' to sustain themselves here, probably on cash-in-hand work below the minimum wage, but tax-free.

    I know which Nick makes most sense; unfortunately my only choice of candidate for real change here is UKIP. Vote Radical or Regret

  • Comment number 35.

  • Comment number 36.

    You're probably asleep now, BYT, but I thought I'd recount an experience I had earlier today:

    Having cycled back from the Globe, past the Anglesea Arms Pub that I sometimes call the Blue Moon, and having purchased all kinds of reduced goodies from the local M&S, I carried on towards the Battersea Bridge, York Road and Wandsworth. However, I felt so desperate to go to the loo that on the way I stopped off at a very smart bar with all the bags hanging out off my shoulders, etc. I really must have looked a picture.

    I asked politely whether it would be possible to use their loo and a young lady, without batting an eyelid, very kindly and with a smile said that it was no problem at all. On my way out, battling with all the bags sliding off my shoulders, I tried to disappear as quickly as possible but it was all smiles with the barmen calling me 'madam'.

    A most heart warming experience it was, Brightyanthing.


  • Comment number 37.

    25. At 11:22am on 25 Apr 2010, barriesingleton wrote:
    I always think Jack Straw does APPALLED...

    Maybe they are going through the dictionary when the current vacuity really is stretching credibility.

    I was rather getting bored with 'UNACCEPTABLE' being lobbed around like confetti, when whatever it was was clearly accepted, past, present and future.

    One wonders how long they'll try and get away with this one before moving on, and what to?

  • Comment number 38.

    #35 What a pity Sky were not doing secret filming when this was being discussed Mistress.

    I expect there are an awful lot of people not stating what they really think, especially politicians, or come to that future politicians. Cleggy seems to want us to believe he's all innocent and clean even mildy non EU, (!) and what's he doing encouraging more mass immigration. Why do politicians hate the english so much.

    I saw this morning we will probably be paying out 1 billion pounds a year as our contribution to Greece, you have to laugh or you'd cry. : (

    UKIP the only way to go. But I find them a very odd bunch

  • Comment number 39.

    To conclude the quotes from my essay on Alexander Herzen regarding relativistic perception, here's how I finished it:

    'Whether the wisdom of relativistic perception is of any use in establishing peace in the world is still a matter of distant future. I believe that the highly commendable degree of tolerance between individuals, fractions, nations and religions could possibly help.'

    I remember as a young child being bothered by people or groups of people unable to communicate, competing with one another and not really getting any wiser for it. It obviously isn't always like that but when it's bad it's really, really bad.

    However, imagine a situation whereby a female is caught up between guys competing for her. Should she give in to each one of them in turn or does she have the ultimate right of choice? No theory or supposition or whatever fits every situation.


  • Comment number 40.

    My small local council is already planning for this we already have a large Roma community.

    The council are planning another 30 sites, how about everyone else, is your council quietly building more sites? Ours are all in pristine countryside sites, with the council paying for all facilites installed.

  • Comment number 41.

    #39. addition to the penultimate sentence:

    .... or indeed the choice and civil right.not to share intimate moments with anybody?


  • Comment number 42.


    Griffin is an open book. Not one I wish to read but one I oculd easily write.

    Hodge is hard to read, unless you have a good light and a magnifying glass. When the twinkle fades - what do you see?

  • Comment number 43.

    Did anyone watch Simon Reeve last night? I see the Chinese are quietly taking over Laos it appears, nothing like cutting down rainforests to build big concrete hotels and gaming centres. Governments colluding, and the poor getting nothing as usual.

    I was talking to a very experienced tiger man at Howletts yesterday. He says the Chinese want the international ban lifted on harvesting Tiger bones. The Chinese have many thousands, maybe 5, kept in captivity in appalling conditions, starved, it doesn't matter how much they weigh, they only want the bones and skin.

    The Siberian Tiger is almost extinct in a major area of it's range. It's now been renamed the Amur Tiger, as it's only in that region of China they exist now, maybe a thousand wild tigers left in the world.

    He also told us a German chemist was making Tiger bone by genetic engineering, just having a sample of Tiger blood. Apparently it's very successful. The Chinese say that it isn't the same as real Tiger, and doesn't have the strength, so they totally rejected it. The Chinese have now started to kill off further animals in the tiger group, namely Clouded Leopards and Snow Leopards. My question is what will the Chinese do when all the breeds of Tigers are extinct?

  • Comment number 44.


    That needed posting Junkk. It winds me up too. It has that bland PC quality about it. We have stopped saying 'abhorrent', 'despicable', 'disgraceful', or just 'rude' (my response to a street-Christian, who told me I don't hear God because I don't listen).

    It becomes particularly enraging when Hilary Benn intones it from on high, like some wise owl who would not dream of ogling London. (Pellets wouldn't melt in his mouth!)

  • Comment number 45.


    You highlight another incapacity of HomSap Lizzy. Once we have a group identity, that imprints - de facto - on every new-born, we instinctively cling to, and defend, the group. When 'events' impinge to displace the group into the midst of another, the last thing we do is assimilate! It is no accident that Hitler turned on Jews and Roma. The awful truth is that this is what Nature would do - indeed it is Nature at work. Once again, the Ape Confused by Language cannot cope. The basic Ape just gets rough, but the over-cerebral ones stand round deploring.

    Perhaps when we demolish Westminster, we can decree that all MPs live on Roma sites (just let any of them try messing with the women there, or Harperson tell them Motherhood is crap!) Sorry - getting facetious because I don't have any answers.

    Once again, we see the need for wisdom. Wise solutions can be sustainable; mouthing "Britain is a tolerant nation" merely invites a punch in the mouth.

    How's that for fence-sitting?

  • Comment number 46.


    A perfect illustration of 'CONFUSED BY LANGUAGE' Lizzy.

    You ask 'what will they do when the Tigers are gone' but more poignant 'why do they crave Tiger bones NOW!' Language-based 'culture'.

    In this country we have top scientist who believe in an ineffable God without ever doing the necessary research, or reading a PEER REVIEWED paper to that effect. (WE also have Richard Dawkins, who cannot live without proving the unprovable - i.e. there is NO God).

    All are fine examples of the Ape Confused by Language.

    What we now term 'Woman' no longer knows how to weep - and philosophers are wept dry.

    It's all going awfully well.

  • Comment number 47.

    #38/40 ecolizzy

    "Last night the Home Office said there was nothing they could do stop Eastern European gypsies coming to the UK. A spokesman explained: “As Hungarian citizens, they have free movement within the EU.”

    Which doesn't explain why there should be a nationwide policy of funding and planning provision for this invasion, rather than trying to limit it.

    None of the Big 3's promises of 'change' will stop EU rules and rights.

    With our world-famous 'tolerance' plus an interNational Health Service, and a generous benefits system 'for the needy', we will remain the favourite destination for the expanding mass of Europe's poor.

    The only solution is to Vote Radical or Regret

  • Comment number 48.

    Yesterday I spent an exciting day with U3A at Downe House, where Darwin wrote his famous treatise on Evolution. I stood in the room where he pondered for many years over the facts that his research had revealed, afraid to publish for fear of the protests from the bible believing community.

    I think we are in a similar position now, watching England sink to a third-world status, but afraid to stand up for Radical Change, whilst we watch hour after hour of LIB-LAB-CON preaching. Afraid, and discouraged from looking beyond our familiar comfort zone.

    Vote Radical or Regret

  • Comment number 49.


    Fence sitting or straining to get in or struggling to get out, singie, feeling awfully uncomfy?

  • Comment number 50.


    And apart from everything else, singie, it's all very puny.



    You mentioned Heroes the other day so I thought I'd try the Coldstream Guards music from their CD called 'Heroes' and hope that I managed to express and reflect their music according to its spirit and force.


  • Comment number 51.

    #50 addendum

    And later on i might enjoy something Spanish.

  • Comment number 52.

    @ Ecolizzy #38 & #40 - Pity indeed! £1billion a year for bailing out Greece....Is it really worth staying in the EU? I know that Gordon Brown stated (in the 2nd debate from Bristol) that 3 million British people had jobs in the EU - would they all be sacked if Britain decided to leave the EU? Surely that cannot be right.....

    As for building sites for travellers, according to
    there has been a 60% rise in building on Green belt land. Since we are supposed to be doing our but for the environment, why is this being allowed to carry on? It is a disgrace!

  • Comment number 53.

    #48 , indignantindegene

    "Yesterday I spent an exciting day with U3A at Downe House, where Darwin wrote his famous treatise on Evolution."

    So you are more than aware that current scientific opinion shows that there is virtually no difference between the races genetically and that most differences are cosmetic due to climate adaptation?

    "Vote Radical or Regret"

    You know that I assume that you are talking about the BNP due to your previous posts. They could not muster any science whatever to back their previous stance on racial membership rules against the EHRC they simply have not complied so far as I know.

    They have been rejected by the democratic parties, the churches, the military, Unliver (who did not want their prestigious Marmite logo associated with the BNP) - just about everybody.

    But are they radical in any event as their politics is really just a regurgitation of 1930's National Socialism.

    Its replacement monarchism and that's why the recent conflict in the BNP between Collett (arrested for threatening to kill Griffin) and the champagne National Socialist leader is symptomatic of their history.

    Its not radical its just people who are prepared to climb all over humanity to obtain power.

  • Comment number 54.

    Labour really are getting bizarre with Elvis impersonators and now a claim that the Lib-Dem bubble has burst.

    Yet if the Ipsos-Mori poll is taken out of the poll of polls (as its trend seems to be heading in a different direction to the other polls) then they are pushing the Tories for first place.

    Brown has the third debate and contrary to the "substance" image of Brown he will get whupped.

    It would be incredibly hard for Cameron to avoid PR if he cannot explain why if the party with the most votes is the Lib Dems they should get the third most seats.

    If he tries to avoid PR or looks as though he may renege I hope the Lib Dems cut them loose.

    If there is a second election then the Lib Dems have nothing to lose as otherwise they are cemented into opposition.

    I am not sure the public would be any more inclined to blame them than the Tories if a deal cannot be done.

    I applaud Alan Johnson who came out and consistently continued his support for PR.

  • Comment number 55.

    A HUGE congrats to the Newsnight Team for winning the Daniel Pearl Award :o)

  • Comment number 56.

    There are those now claiming UKIP is the only choice.

    Given the number of posts that you get on here from assorted people about the Jewish "hegemony" and Roma and who are happy to associate themselves with those who obfuscate on the Holocaust and promote the benefits of National Socialism I am given to suspicion.

    But perhaps that shows the internal splits within the BNP may lead to a new influx into UKIP - who themselves only recently dumped Wiffin.

    The BNP tried to do a deal with UKIP that Farage emphatically rejected.

    Perhaps they will need to keep an eye on new recruits.

    I doubt they want to be known as BNP-lite.

  • Comment number 57.

    #52 Thank you very much for that very interesting link Mistress. I don't know how you found that one. Never mind, nature will win in the end, when we're all dead and gone, it will grow through and over all that concrete and start again without us.

    James Lovelock thinks we'll mostly be gone in the next 9 to 90 years. Maybe a million of us left. And Hawkins thinks there's life on other planets and we shouldn't attract attention to ourselves, so maybe, just maybe, these aliens will wipe us out and replace with a new form of life.

  • Comment number 58.

    #47 The only solution is to Vote Radical or Regret

    Yes I'm about to Indi, how can anyone vote for the big 3, they don't intend to help anyone, only themselves.

    Downe House is lovely isn't it, I went many years ago, and again recently, I'm not sure I approve of all the poshing up. But the place certainly makes you think, especially when you realise that he did most of his reseach on worms there. I wonder what he would make of England now, especially as he moved to Downe to be in the peace and quiet of the countryside!!!! : (

  • Comment number 59.

    #37 and 44 Yes Junckk and Barrie, I'd noticed the over use of unacceptable. But don't they realise labour are talking of themselves, they have been in control for the last 13 years.

    So are they telling us THEY are UNACCEPTABLE? I hope the elecorate have noticed that fact.

  • Comment number 60.

    #46 You ask 'what will they do when the Tigers are gone' but more poignant 'why do they crave Tiger bones NOW!' Language-based 'culture'.

    Yes I did ask if it were possible to re-educate the chinese, but was told it was their "culture!". They have killed Tigers for many thousands of years, as we know the chinese were far ahead of us, especially with homoepathic cures. They won't change anytime soon.

    I hope when people here go to a Chinese herbalist, they think very carefully about what they are buying, and do they really know what's in it. I see they have already invented a couple of new drugs to replace Mephedrone. What makes anyone want to take any chemical from china is beyond me, they managed to kill and damage many babies with their "milk" formula, and other parts of the world with their toothpaste. If items like that are so badly made, who'd ever take so called "legal highs" from them?!!!

    As I've said before don't worry about paying pensions to a huge group of old people, current generations won't survive into old age!


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