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Thursday 25 March 2010

Verity Murphy | 11:36 UK time, Thursday, 25 March 2010

Here's Kirsty with more details of what we're doing on tonight's programme:
How will the Pope deal with the latest child abuse allegations to hit the Vatican? Tonight he appears to be under more pressure than ever before.

In the 1990s did he fail to respond to letters from an American archbishop about a priest who may have molested as many as 200 deaf boys?

Internal correspondence from bishops in Wisconsin directly to Cardinal Ratzinger, warning him and other top Vatican officials that failure to act could embarrass the church, have been unearthed as part of a lawsuit, according to The New York Times.

The Vatican has denied that there was any cover up and has denounced what it has called a smear campaign against the Pope. We'll discuss where these accusations leave Benedict XVI.

Unions on the march? We examine the impact on industrial relations of this age of austerity. As I write the rail union, the RMT, has just announced four days of strikes from 6 April. Potentially this will be much more disruptive for many more people than the BA strike, and could cause considerable problems for the Labour Party.

And the former commissioner of the Met, Sir Ian Blair, has made a personal film about the problems of policing in Britain in an age of spending cuts. He sets out his ideas for change, including reducing the number of bobbies on the beat (replacing many with Community Support Officers).

We'll be joined by the Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling, Chris Huhne the Home Affairs spokesman for the Liberal Democrats, and Police and Security Minister, David Hanson.

Join me at 10.30pm on BBC Two.

Kirsty
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FROM 1136GMT

The rail union, the RMT, has refused to rule out the possibility of a national strike over planned redundancies.

It would be the first national strike for 16 years and take place over the Easter holiday weekend, bringing the rail network to a standstill at one of the busiest times of the year.

Tonight, we'll be looking at the future of industrial relations in an age of austerity and examining at the state of trade unionism in the UK.

David Grossman has been trawling through the departmental press notices issued by the Treasury yesterday on the £11bn savings from efficiencies and streamlining the centre of government. How credible are they?

We have an authored film by the former commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Sir Ian Blair - who has been heavily involved in the wider agenda to modernise policing for the 21st Century - setting out his vision for the future of the force.

And Richard Watson investigates claims made by the Quilliam Foundation that the Islam Channel encourages fundamentalism and sectarianism.

More details later.

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  • Comment number 1.

    Verity:

    I understand with the rationale of the railway authorities about the strong sense of taking industrial action over the Easter Break, but, do they understand---It will not the travelling public more happy with the decision....

    (Dennis Junior)

  • Comment number 2.

    '
    New species of human relative found
    Human relative, identified from fragments of a finger bone, lived until as recently as 30,000 years ago
    '

    Relax its probably just an old BNP member. They share many common characteristics but lack intelligence, ethical standards and philosophical cohesion.

    Externally though they can pass amongst decent folk and not cause a ripple. Just don't mention Jews or they froth at the mouth as they do also when you mention the fact that science shows all of the races are genetically identical barring cosmetic climate adaptations and so on.

    They also get hyper if you mention Geli Raubal and her "unusual" relationship with Hitler so be warned.

  • Comment number 3.

    Re : Strikes

    What people need to understand is that we have a very deluded financial system - banks, hedge funds and sovereign debt that as it stands is out of control .

    This is by far the single most important issue.

    So going on strike is not an answer its an exacerbation to a problem the workers didn't cause. Moving your money is the only way at this time. The public are almost totally locked into a bank account culture.

    To the BBC and in all seriousness - Why don't you help people to move their money? Our leaders will not break up the banks and we still have credit derivatives. Maybe get your guys to talk to people like James Rickard's - very switched on analyst to know whats is most likely down the road.

  • Comment number 4.

    On Unions there has always been talk of internationalising them to handle globalisation and so on.

    Hence the Unite experience with the Teamsters and so on.

    But just as they have internal divisions there seem to be differences with international partners.

    But the balance in a globalised era between immediate industrial disputes such as the BA one and the bigger picture of severe international competition that you have to be one jump ahead of is clearly fraught with difficulty.

    Its also clear that there are obvious contradictions in message when Unite sponsors so many Labour MP's and they don't support the action. What has that sponsorship brought its members?

    In an era where people want to move forward with fairness and justice for all do they want to get caught up in internecine politics?

    Industrial action without popular public support such as, some would say, the miners strike does not reap long term industrial or political reward.

    So I can't help thinking that there is not a coherent long term political strategy.

  • Comment number 5.

    On policing I can't understand why we don't have an FBI - SOCA seems very specialised - where the officers are very highly trained and proactively go after the serial killers and drugs lords.

    Also with due respect to Sir Ian Blair there has been more corruption in the Met than was desirable for as long as I can remember. Sadly Ali Desai counts in that number.

    Should it be broken up as it may be too big to manage and does having the premier police officer there make national policing too London focused?

    Could we have more decentralisation on mainstream policing issues and greater centralisation on key problems like Prevent and drugs and serial killers?

  • Comment number 6.

    In the Guardian:

    'The account, confirmed by current and former officials briefed on the case, is the latest evidence that CIA officials at the Afghan base had trusted Balawi and wanted to build rapport with him. The bombing not only weakened US intelligence operations, it started a contentious debate within the intelligence community about whether the CIA was too lax with its security.

    The CIA director, Leon Panetta, has scoffed at suggestions that security lapses were to blame for the attack. But it remains unclear why there was such a large contingent around Balawi when the bomb erupted.'

    I can grasp that you would handle such an agent very carefully and so would not want to offend.

    But if you were taking them onto a military base and they could see everybody was being searched I can't see that he would suddenly decide not to cooperate.

    So I assume Panetta was being loyal but you have to hope that is so as:

    'In addition to the seven that were killed, six others were wounded.

    In an interview made public after his death, Balawi said he knew in advance he was meeting "an entire CIA team." He said he had been planning to kidnap or kill his Jordanian intelligence contact, but the chance to kill CIA officers was too tempting.'

    I recognise the courage and the sacrifice that they made but should a certain amount of caution be more the norm?

  • Comment number 7.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 8.

    ...WW2 codebreaking centre Bletchley Park to be refurbished...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7520440/WW2-codebreaking-centre-Bletchley-Park-to-be-refurbished.html

    building worship thrives in the uk. why not spend the money on codebreakers not old sheds they used to do it in>

    this isn't support for culture. its a fetish.

  • Comment number 9.

    Statist, Barrie and DebtJuggler, sorry from Tuesdays posts!

    I feel one of the problems with out population growth in the west, is too many foreign babies being born here. I notice our average for the year is now 750,000 it was around 600,000, so it won't take long for us to disappear! Don't forget Stat those babies will have babies around 18, so surely that makes the change of race even quicker.

    We westerners are told you mustn't have so many children, everybody is free and able and should work, and spend money. But definitely don't have more than one or two babies. Then as we have discovered, we invited all and sundry to live with us, they have a totally different philosophy on life, and immediately have several babies. They see us having free health care and education, cheap housing and benefits for them, tax credits etc. We are looked upon as a land of milk and honey, so quick have as many kids as you like it's easy here.

    Meanwhile the indigenous people are told, oh there's too many people in the world, not enough food, not enough water, lack of energy, we all think oh no mustn't bring children into this world. But it's ok for everyone else, we must be absolutely barking mad, do we realise we are bringing genocide on ourselves?

    Yes Debt I've read about Japans low birthrate, I read something, but can't quite remember the figures, in the paper Saturday. It said in about a 100 years there would be no Japanese left at current fertility rates.

    Ah Barrie there won't be any elephants left by the time us humans have finished! ; ) Tigers of all breeds are almost beyond saving, 300 here and 400 there, but 5000 being kept for breeding in China, for their barmy medicines only. They don't even bother feeding them properly, as all they need are the skins and bones.

  • Comment number 10.

    How descriptive of the state of thought within parts of the BBC recently:

    .... a comment of mine (to do with the UK budget) that was assessed by BBC censors less than 1 hour ago as 'OK for posting' on Newsnight's 24-03-2010 page:


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2010/03/wednesday_24_march_2010.html (comment # 88)

    is- when submitted to this (25_03-2010) Newsnight page..."removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules "

    (comment #7 above...)


    Roderick V. Louis,
    Vancouver, BC, Canada

  • Comment number 11.

    This breed, this happy breed can we remind ourselves that we are all immigrants, I like to think that I am Anglo Saxon...fair haired, blue eyed and all that, but my mothers side was Norman French and throw in a bit of Irish and it is a giant melting pot and after a few generations we all sort of mix in....don't we? So after a few generations more and it looks like governments of either pursuasion are not going to change policy we are going to mix up with people of Eastern European extraction so....do we really care after a few hundred years, who will notice?

  • Comment number 12.

    9. ecolizzy 'We westerners are told you mustn't have so many children, everybody is free and able and should work, and spend money. But definitely don't have more than one or two babies.'

    Who has been doing the telling though? Look into this carefully. Why would one group want another group to shrink, whilst yet another group grew like Topsy? Ask what the advantage might be, and you'll start to see what's been going on. Forget about intentions, conspiracies, plts etc etc, most of such talk is nonsense, just focus on the outcomes and who benefits. That's all that really matters. Pointing out how one group benefits over another is factual, even if those concerned deny it. Can you see that? The behaviours (thinking) reinforced along the way are just part of how this happens. Changing the thinking behaviour itself isn't all that matters, alas.

  • Comment number 13.

    HHhmmmm just read this http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/24/ethnic-minorities-general-election So it looks as though we will no longer decide our own elections, they will be decided by immigrants, just as nulab planned. How can this have happened to us, why where we looking the other way, was it because we were called racists at every turn if we mentioned mass immigration, and now we have come down to this.

    Is it racially discriminating to have Operation Black Vote? Is there an Operation Asian Vote, Operation Chinese Vote, Operation Polish Vote, Operation English Vote?

  • Comment number 14.

    A PLUG FOR MELVYN, REPEATED TONIGHT (#9)

    Yo Lizzy! Melvyn is investigating the 'rise of the city' (another example of what Nature would not do). With strikes back on the menu, and supplies to knife-edge cities threatened thereby (and I won't even mention the solar anomalies that might belch our electrics to oblivion) we could find ourselves back to Larkrise/Candleford in a trice.

    As for the Orientals and their body-part medicines, these are totally congruent with religious requirements: assorted head-dress, secreted weapons, water rituals and the like. Space rockets are clever, overcoming cultural indoctrination takes wisdom?

    School report for HomSap: Too many silly mistakes - must try harder.

  • Comment number 15.

    10. MrRoderickLouis I don't understand. Was that because it was a verbatim duplicate (i.e which is against House Rules)?

  • Comment number 16.

    11. stevie 'So after a few generations more and it looks like governments of either pursuasion are not going to change policy we are going to mix up with people of Eastern European extraction so....do we really care after a few hundred years, who will notice?'

    You may not care because you may be focusing on the wrong thing. The problem here, I suggest, is one of abuse of classification or more accurately propertties (which are intensional).

    It is characteristics of groups and how these can be politically/economically exploited which is at the heart of this issue, not race per se. If I am right, it is a very clever (subtle) strategy which counts on most people being distracted/misled by taboos about race, when race itself, in fact, has nothing to do with it. Race is just something which co-varies with what matters.

    This is usually how successful deception strategies work, i.e. through misdirection.

    It is not at all obvious....

  • Comment number 17.

    'And Richard Watson investigates claims made by the Quilliam Foundation that the Islam Channel encourages fundamentalism and sectarianism.'

    ---------------------------------

    And what does the Quilliam Foundation encourage?...


    'The first (objective) is I want to demonstrate how the Islamist ideology is incompatible with Islam. Secondly, I want to develop a Western Islam that is at home in Britain and in Europe. We want to reverse radicalization by taking on their arguments and countering them.

    Quilliam argues that Islam is not an ideology but a religion, namely “Islam is not Islamism.”'


    (PS - I was taught that you should not start a sentance with 'And')

  • Comment number 18.

    #11 stevie

    Are you, by chance, a Free Mason?

  • Comment number 19.

    13. ecolizzy From your link: 'Dave Weaver, chair of the 1990 Trust, the national black organisation set up to protect the interests of Britain's black communities, said: "Black Britons are third-class citizens in a country that claims to have a first-class democracy. This manifesto calls for racial equality to be considered central to achieving a cohesive and successful economy.'

    I'd be quite happy with that if they could explain how they would make Black British (e.g. Caribbean) males equal to East Asian (e.g. Chinese) British males both in their Criminal Justice System and their Education System.

    Note the tacit racism, insufficiently observed/remarked upon. As I've tried to point out elsewhere, these issues are not what they seem at first sight. They require some very careful analysis and thought.

  • Comment number 20.

    13. ecolizzy 'Is it racially discriminating to have Operation Black Vote? Is there an Operation Asian Vote, Operation Chinese Vote, Operation Polish Vote, Operation English Vote?'

    You're getting there. What have you left out. This works to the political advantage of a minority which is left out, but which is always behind race relations legislation.

  • Comment number 21.

    Whoops!

    I left the link out of my post #17

    Quilliam Foundation
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilliam_Foundation

  • Comment number 22.

    The Political Panel. How about some background on why these three in particular comprise this body please? Why are their views to be taken seriously?

    Founders of LLM Communications: 'All three used to work at the consultancy firm Lowe Bell, founded by Sir Tim Bell (Margaret Thatcher's favourite PR man). They were loaned to the Labour Party during the 1997 election.

    A bit odd. See any pattern? Make-over. Spin. PR?

    Ollie Grendal

  • Comment number 23.

    20. Can you see the advantage to being a minority?

  • Comment number 24.

    It seems to go something like this.

    1. Once you reach a certain population size (always a minority)
    2. Behave very badly with respect to your neighbours/hosts.
    3. Get thrown out.
    4. Complain to another nation/group you're being persecuted.
    5. Mass (leaving some behind) emigrate (asylum seeking).
    6. Encourage immigration of low skilled others to new home.
    7. Use those in 6 to acquire power as champions of the 'oppressed'.
    8. GoTo 1.

    All sorts of group strategies are used in the animal kingdom. This is a clever one. It need not be a 'conscious' one.

  • Comment number 25.

    'The Vatican has denied that there was any cover up and has denounced what it has called a smear campaign against the Pope. We'll discuss where these accusations leave Benedict XVI.'

    Indeed. This does come across as something one would expect from News of The World etc.

    Is that audience BBC Newsnight's demographic now?

  • Comment number 26.

    Like the old 'War on Terror' lark, is this campaign against Catholicism essentially just another effort to get the dimwitted amongst the population to further attack its own values (by reviling what it thinks is something else)?

    It's all in aid of secularism and free-market anarchism if one stands back and think about it. Islam had lots in common with old Christian values (hence Aflaq and ultimately Iraq). Arab Nationalism is of course statism. Who was most threatened by that? Was it the UK and US economies, and how about that nation in the Middle East, initilaly created in 1917 or so to thwart the Ottoman Empire and Austrain-Hungarian Empire. Today one just has to think of one bogeyword which is bad for money-markets - socialism.

    As an aside, big aircraft company...

  • Comment number 27.

    POLICING CRIME VIOLENCE PRISON DRUGS RAPE PREGNANCY A&E - ALCOHOL

    Were British society, collectively and individually, from birth to grave (it marks both) not one of 'alcohol dependence', government could hire a top advertising agency to destroy the charisma attached to that mind bending poison. The reduced 'running costs' would pay for the campaign many times over. As it is, a drink-dependent government, funded at party level by brewers and at government level by drink-tax, would find it hard to engage any agency of note, that was not already pushing alcohol to the pickled punters.

    From another angle - might it be that 'peace in our time' through dramatic drop in alcohol consumption, would put vast numbers employed 'downstream' OUT OF WORK? If our soulless politicians have come to such a conclusion, we are faced with a double fudgie - not one you can solve with policing. You don't meet may teetotal coppers.

  • Comment number 28.

    http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pages/Library/Communication/PR/2010/054.shtml

    Very interesting to hear what Margret Cole has to say about this :

    "This case emphasises the importance of taking care to ensure that any firm or individual consumers deal with are authorised or approved by the FSA. Authorisation offers consumers valuable protection and access to complaints and compensation arrangements should anything go wrong."

    And Did the FSA take care to ensure that the bank made sure the persons named in this case were fit and proper to hold business bank accounts - 'Know your customer'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_your_customer

    And who's fault could that be, could it be a tea party Charlie ? Who's 2005 banking regulation reform proved to be a 'free for all' tea party too far.

    Oh dear

  • Comment number 29.

    27. barriesingleton See above See Mulims. Growing fast. Bad for 'drink industry'.

  • Comment number 30.

    Crumbs the BBC has at last caught up with this story...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/cambridgeshire/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8582000/8582784.stm

    Favela anyone? Or is it the slums of Kolkata, Mumbai, or shanty towns in Cape Town?

    No it's England in all it's glory in 2010.

  • Comment number 31.

    #27 But Barrie how would government keep us all in our places without the alcohol? It's there just to keep us all dumbed down, and they've even turned a blind eye to the drug culture, that's even better as keeping us all high and happy, and not understanding a bloomin' thing! ; )

  • Comment number 32.

    #19 "Note the tacit racism, insufficiently observed/remarked upon. As I've tried to point out elsewhere, these issues are not what they seem at first sight. They require some very careful analysis and thought."

    Others may think that is the CAUSE, not a solution. The solution, probably too late - is ACTION, not more deliberation, analysis, fairhandedness, tolerance, and all the other 'decent' characteristics that have lulled us into allowing such a tipping point to develope, whether by deliberate political manipulation or not.

    Whilst the English minority has been gagged and then mesmerised, the settlers have been busy organising their hordes.

    Pehaps we have left it too late, but at least I won't be ashamed to answer the question -

    "How Did You Vote in the 2010 Elections Granddad?"

  • Comment number 33.

    Government gives £1m to anti-extremist think-tank Quilliam Foundation
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5549138.ece


    FCO involvement with the Quilliam Foundation and the Projecting British Islam/Muslims programme
    http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/fco_involvement_with_the_quillia

  • Comment number 34.

    FOLLOW THE MONEY

    http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3827

    'Quilliam's motives and associations are troubling, for example its website links to such Islamist groups as the Radical Middle Way , City Circle as well that of leftist financier George Soros' Open Society Institute along with the socialist Fabian Society.'

  • Comment number 35.

    Good lord, just read the comments here http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/24/immigration-sensitivity-balance-media and this from a liberal lefty paper! When they start shouting too many immigrants, enough is enough, you know it must be true! ; )

  • Comment number 36.

    32. indignantindegene 'Others may think that is the CAUSE, not a solution. The solution, probably too late - is ACTION, not more deliberation, analysis, fairhandedness, tolerance, and all the other 'decent' characteristics that have lulled us into allowing such a tipping point to develope, whether by deliberate political manipulation or not.'

    Bold words, but..... action has been made illegal by the HRA and the other Equality legislation has it not? This legislation cleverly applies to public bodies, i.e. to agencies of the state. The only people who could act effectively.

    So, we're trapped. See this - there are many articles like it where other sensible Jews get clobbered too. It's a group strategy. Individuals don't count. That's the thing to grasp. It's the way nature works generally. :-(

  • Comment number 37.

    #42yesterday)
    “..the problem doesn't lie with immigration per se but with what prompted immigration as a solution. Immigration is just a desperate non-solution to a much more critical problem, which is, I fear, inherent to Liberal-Democracy itself. It's this which has to be dealt with, but my guess is that most of us won't face it, so we'll keep being distracted by the attempted solution, rather than the true cause of our problems, which I think I've explicated ad nauseam elsewhere, along with the only solution. :-(

    Problem solving, as taught in all the best management schools:-

    Analyse the CAUSE(s) of the Problem;
    Generate ALL potential SOLUTIONS;
    Evaluate and Select the Best Possible Solution(s);
    IMPLEMENT the solution(s).

    Many blogs continue to define the problem and, as you say, you (and others) have dealt ad nauseam with the true causes of the problem. I don't recollect any solutions proposed that include ACTION.

    The main causes include:
    (1) uncontrolled and non-selective immigration; and
    (2) differential childbirth rates - due to 1; to UK education and taxation policies that encourage both parents working; and a social benefits system that encourages
    breeding by those who have, and will continue, to contribute least to our society.

    I suggest the IMPLEMENTATION phase is upon us:-

    Do not vote for any party or politician that has allowed this situation to develop.
    Question all candidates and give your vote to those pledged to change these policies.

  • Comment number 38.

    Hmm, given a lot of Sir Ian Blair proposals are counter to Tory party policies, I must thank Newsnight for giving them a wider airing, outside the 'dry' confines of seminars and newspaper articles.



  • Comment number 39.

    THE HONOURABLE DIFFERENCIST.. 'TACIT' BE BLOWED - MINE'S OVERT. (#32)

    I even have a lovely Jewish friend (her picture hangs on my wall) who regularly reminds me I am anti-Semitic.

    But I insist, 'racism' and 'anti-Semitism' are just sub-sets of DIFFERENCISM, innate in a wide range of life-forms. I am in no doubt that Mother Nature approves of differencism, and we all know God has his favourites! (With cousin-cousine marriages in the news, I just can't resist mentioning the deep-seated attraction of similar faces, as if Mother is deliberately FLIRTING with close genetic union. The disadvantages are well documented, BUT HAS ANYONE CHECKED FOR ADVANTAGES? c/f Cider With Rosie.

    I will go to my grave detecting difference in those I meet or observe. It does not FEEL wrong. What DOES feel wrong, is the suppression of this natural behaviour. In stead of a pretence that we are all the same, I would have an acknowledgement that we are all different, and naturally differencist. Stability will never come from 'living within the lie'.
    As I have said before: Two cars collide - two angry males face up - one has glasses and a bald head, the other is short and wears a beard. You do the dialogue; then tell me differencism is not endemic.

  • Comment number 40.

  • Comment number 41.

    31. ecolizzy '..how would government keep us all in our places without the alcohol? It's there just to keep us all dumbed down, and they've even turned a blind eye to the drug culture, that's even better as keeping us all high and happy, and not understanding a bloomin' thing! ; )'

    No, the Government doesn't do any of that, WE have done that all by ourselves. We have spent decades refusing to do what other people (espoeiclaly our parents) warned us not to do because WE are free to do what we want, and have the right to think what we like... and anyone who says otherwise does horrid stuff to sheep in Doncaster and are fascists, and hanker after putting people in gas chambers and making them into lampshades and soap and stuff..

    ..dribble dribble...

  • Comment number 42.

    P.C.S.Os.

    You call the police and are ignored.

    A P.C.S.O examines the situation, calls the police and is listened to.

    The contempt you have been shown by the proper police, using the P.C.S.O. 'protective screen' to filter your request for their attention causes you to lose a little more faith in 'the thin blue line'.

    P.C.S.Os. are little more than walking and talking ''cost/benefit' analysis' officers - subjecting every complaint to a means test, whilst the police concentrate on the more important task of form-filling.

  • Comment number 43.

    37. indignantindegene 'I don't recollect any solutions proposed that include ACTION.'

    Because these are, across the EU, proscribed by law! Go through the 53 Articles. I'm just being realistic/pragmatic.

  • Comment number 44.

    Why have you got Ian Blair on? He was a massive failure. Everything that is wrong with the British Police, its liberial light touch, switching from preventing crime too turning them into responders, uniformed social workers, burdened with diversity courses and push bike lessons and all the other nonsense in between, can all be laid at the feet of the likes of the University Academia bubble wrapped Blair...and you can include that other fool Brian Paddock in any list that you may wish to compile of those who have ruined the British Police force.

  • Comment number 45.

    37. indignantindegene Say someone comes along with a) a psychological problem - naive answer: give them therapy (problem= it doesn't work)
    Say someone comes along with cancer ...ditto...

    Time and time again we see people both on NN and here in the blog who think that the answer to problems is to stick a NOT in front of the problem, or to get a politician to say what they will do to solve them. It doesn't work like that. here's why: We are locked into the way things are because of laws. Now these laws are EU laws! Politicians can't break these laws. They can only repeal them, and to do that they need a majority, and possibly to get out of the EU itself! But how? In liberal-democracies, it is almost impossible to change the status quo as these laws have been passed through Parliamentary procedures, in order to secure this very anarchism (freedom of the individual i.e. business). That's Liberal-Democracy, and that's basically why Hitler had to do what he did in the 1930s in order to change things in Germany, and for a while, change things he did.

  • Comment number 46.

    Just seen the piece about the pope and sex abuse ... well done Kirsty, well done Newsnight. Great stuff.

  • Comment number 47.

    At 10:31pm on 25 Mar 2010, Strugglingtostaycalm wrote:
    P.C.S.Os.

    You call the police and are ignored.

    A P.C.S.O examines the situation, calls the police and is listened to.

    I am informed that full time fully trained police offices call P.C.S.Os.

    CHIMPS

    Completely Hopeless In Most Police Situations !

  • Comment number 48.

    Imagine: Pope, guillotine, Kirsty Wark cackling. Why?

    What must clergy honour?

    Crimes are a police matter. Allegations of crimes in the 50s not reported until the 90s (and to the Vatican not local police) = predictable result - 1) long time, 2) lack of evidence 3) political? so it's hard to proceed.

    Cardinal = 'The Enforcer' - oh dear, has it come to this?

    Why is this happening now? Political - canonization of 'holocaust denier' -> narcissistic rage.... Hell hath no fury

    How many people see this? The power of the press..

  • Comment number 49.

    In the 1990s did he fail to respond to letters from an American archbishop about a priest who may have molested as many as 200 deaf boys?

    MAY have? Are deaf boys a favorite of alleged US Catholic paedophiles? If so, why? I missed this bit.

    How would you respond to the letters!!??

  • Comment number 50.

    It's worth reading the background to this issue. It has more tentacles than Goldman Sachs.

    Regulation is the target unless I am very much mistaken. Liberalism is very good for business. That's what this is all about.

  • Comment number 51.

    LITTLE SIR DYNAMITE - SHOW-BIZ IAN

    Evenin all. Sir Ian Blair has always had a childlike eagerness for the TV lights. It was much in evidence tonight. He told us of things happening on 'his watch' and said that cutting police numbers will be 'political dynamite'. I do hope the book was ghost written.

  • Comment number 52.

    In the Independent 'Butterfly numbers are declining rapidly all around the world, Britain's leading conservationist, Sir David Attenborough, warns today. The celebrated television presenter is sounding the alarm that butterfly loss, a concern in Britain for decades, has become a global problem, with species disappearing in every continent.'

    Whatever became of the bee problem as given they pollinta e an awful lot of plants that is very serious?

    Are they connected.

  • Comment number 53.

    #45 statist

    "That's Liberal-Democracy, and that's basically why Hitler had to do what he did in the 1930s in order to change things in Germany, and for a while, change things he did."

    But what are you saying Hitler did in the 30's?

    I seem to recall in the past your grand utterances that Hitler was a peace lover; the Holocaust was "made up to put people off statism"; Hitler was quite close to Stalin politically (no mention of Stalingrad or 22million dead Russians); the Jews were an "internal economic and political threat" for unspecified reasons.

    As ever its incoherent, inconsistent and fact-lite.

    Hitler killed himself and left Germany divided for decades, the women in the East largely raped by Russians seeking revenge for their terrible losses and his thousand year Reich lasted barely a couple of decades.

    Today even the BNP are "not a Nazi party" and don't want to know about National Socialism - or do you actually know something the rest of us don't?

    Very doubtful.

  • Comment number 54.

    #36 jaded_jean

    "See this - there are many articles like it where other sensible Jews get clobbered too. "

    I think most "sensible Jews" would not have much truck with people who admired Hitler (your #45) in the sane world.

  • Comment number 55.

    #49 statist

    "MAY have? Are deaf boys a favorite of alleged US Catholic paedophiles? If so, why? I missed this bit.

    How would you respond to the letters!!??"

    Given a Catholic Cardinal wanted the priest removed there would seem to be mileage in the fact that the deaf boys were a target.

    Ultimately I would think the huge majority Catholics would see through your histrionics and the fact that you like to mention that "Hitler was a Catholic".

    But I do so like to point out how inadequate your statements are.

  • Comment number 56.

    #48 statist

    "Why is this happening now? Political - canonization of 'holocaust denier' -> narcissistic rage.... Hell hath no fury"

    You are fantasizing again - who would canonize a Holocaust denier?

    Also clearly your emotional status is very dynamic whilst your intellectual status remains unclear.

  • Comment number 57.

    #41 statist

    "No, the Government doesn't do any of that, WE have done that all by ourselves. We have spent decades refusing to do what other people (espoeiclaly our parents) warned us not to do because WE are free to do what we want, and have the right to think what we like... and anyone who says otherwise does horrid stuff to sheep in Doncaster and are fascists, and hanker after putting people in gas chambers and making them into lampshades and soap and stuff..

    ..dribble dribble..."

    You could sound coherent for a second but then you drift into Renfieldian post-Hitler (as per your #45) and become your natural self.

    Some would say that people who admire Hitler and National Socialism could legitimately be called fascists.

    Of course Himmler DID make furniture from human bones and that could not be said to recommend him.

    You can also see why many parents would be very keen indeed not to have their children educated by BNP teachers - though they are "not a Nazi Party" in any event if you believe them.

  • Comment number 58.

    #39 barriesingleton

    "Two cars collide - two angry males face up - one has glasses and a bald head, the other is short and wears a beard. You do the dialogue"

    .... well if they are admirers of Hitler then as your pal "statist" says

    (#41) "..dribble dribble..."

    I think you will find that most males will just swap insurance details.

    By the way Hitler was short; Goering fat; Himmler un-athletic; Rohm was gay and so on and so on.

  • Comment number 59.

    #20 statist

    "You're getting there. What have you left out. This works to the political advantage of a minority which is left out, but which is always behind race relations legislation."

    You feel really subversive I expect but the fact that the BBC allows you to write this stuff is because its drivel - though often hateful.

    You have been invited many times to indicate why you think the way you do about Jews but like Hitler you are big on rhetoric and very light on fact.

    If you are going to try and cite your "jaded_jean" incarnation of statistics that don't actually correspond to reality then my pre-rebuttal remains that if there were evidence of a Jewish hegemony you could take that to court and the EHRC.

    You actually know on a level that it isn't true or you would morph your arguments all the time.

    The huge majority of people are happy with race relations legislation and as Nick Griffin of the BNP said recently - "we have been meaning to change it for years" - in regard to their their racial membership policies.

    So you are on your own aren't you as that means all of the political parties are happy with the scientifically validated multi-cultural policies that are enshrined in law.

  • Comment number 60.

    #37 indignantindegene

    "The main causes include:
    (1) uncontrolled and non-selective immigration; and
    (2) differential childbirth rates - due to 1; to UK education and taxation policies that encourage both parents working; and a social benefits system that encourages
    breeding by those who have, and will continue, to contribute least to our society."

    You don't actually bother trying to justify your analysis with facts because you don't really have any do you and you don't need them in your world?

    There is no science that suggest differences between the races. It could be argued that increasing the gene pool is a very good thing.

    Who determines who has made a valid contribution and who has not?

    If both parents don't work then why should one sex stay at home rather than the other?

    By the way if I recall you are in favour of the English Defence League and would vote BNP?

    At least statist mentions Hitler from time to time so you know when its a full moon and whats going on.

  • Comment number 61.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 62.

    why give air time to that ego centric self publicist 'sir Ian Blair' who, by co-incidence retired on the same day special branch under his command turned over an opposition MPs office.

  • Comment number 63.

    Not bad last night - a few technical mistakes one with sound and the fuzz bloke film - the camera person walking backwards - really no excuse for not using a Steadicam they are quite cheap, if you cant find a cheap one I'll show you where - 200 quid.

    The real importance was the Greece issue, which was given little time due to Kirsty working herself up into a cantering rage over the pasolini-esque pontiff scandal; she looked great and verbalised well - good on you. You did those who have been abused a good deed to bring it to the fore . But why didn't the press do something many years ago?

    I often wonder why you did all that visual 80's night club stuff/Star Trek sets, pink strip lights an all - that seemed so inappropriate for such a program - flashing lights every where like busy sun spot activity 'weather' occurred in our brains when sleep was imminently required hence the switch off or over - NN was just a pain to look at. Why didn't you get that ?

    Oh and Laura - the jacket - another triumph, but Kirsty gets the brownie points last night.

  • Comment number 64.

    This will be very interesting to follow :

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8588432.stm

    Think it will fail - its not the way to make money online when news - in fact, free deep analysis on important issues is just a click away. There will always be someone - even the public who will post up the sensational news and hence will always be free. Old thinking going on.

  • Comment number 65.

    51. barriesingleton 'Evenin all. Sir Ian Blair has always had a childlike eagerness for the TV lights.'

    I suggest this part of the programme was yet further evidence of how undiscerning the Newsnight Production Team thinks its audience is becoming, and/or how undiscerning the Newsnight Production Team has become.

  • Comment number 66.

    #64 HHhhmmm flicks that will punch a hole in Migrationwatchs boat! No more linking to stories about immigration and emigration, unless of course one subscribes. Murdoch another person I loathe along with the labour party.

  • Comment number 67.

    63. flicks 'Oh and Laura - the jacket - another triumph, but Kirsty gets the brownie points last night.'

    You evidently hold appearance to be very important (and no doubt know your stuff). No doubt it has its place, especially on TV, but is it all that important?

    Someone should have a word with the sound engineers too. Some of the background music, especially on Justin Rowlatt's (likeable presenter though he is) 'Pop up Politics' was so prominent that it was distracting, or maybe it was just that the content of 'Pop Up Politics' was so weak that the music too easily became the figure?

  • Comment number 68.

    Statist how long did you say before we sink beneath the waves and others take over! ; )

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/127973/Thousands-of-pupils-don-t-speak-English/

  • Comment number 69.

    Its the old Jewish vs Catholic thing. Why not cover it that way Newsnight? The first group keeps pushing for liberalism and deregulation, devolution (classic elements of infantile/adolescent arrested development/anarchism note), the latter authority, 'the family', state etc - so called fascism.

    Surely people should be shown both sides of this battle Newsnight, and without Kirsty Wark badgering/cackling/heckling as we saw last night?

    There's a lot of trouble with and in 'the unions' and you have "frankly, there's only one party that can represent Britain best, getting business right, and that's New Labour"Gerry Robinson on to bat for the anarchists. How much time was really given for the other side's case? Why are those who had nothing to do with the Credit Crunch being made to pay for all the consequences? Why can't more people see the Credit Crunch served the anti-statistic free-marketeers very well, and in the run up to elections on both sides of the Atlantic too.

    We haven't seen the end of Obama's Health saga yet either, he just did what he said he would do, so met his election pledge, but now he might end up doing something else?

    Spin triumphs over substance yet again?

  • Comment number 70.


    This excellent article by Christopher Hitchens explains the role that the Pope played in covering up the physical and sexual abuse of children and how he threatened anyone who exposed this with excommunication.

    The Pope also introduced a statute of limitation for physical and Sexual abuse of 10 years after the victim reaches 18 and an Edict that these events where to be kept secret until that time.:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2247861/

    The reports on those shameful documents that confirm the veracity of the above article:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/apr/24/children.childprotection

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23369148-pope-led-cover-up-of-child-abuse-by-priests.do

    http://timescolumns.typepad.com/gledhill/2010/03/text-of-letter-showing-rc-child-abuse-subject-to-the-pontifical-secret.html

    There is also a direct link between the Pope and the child abuse cases in the way hat he dealt with Father Peter Hullermann. After being caught making sexual advances to teenagers in Essen, Father Hullermann was transferred in 1980 to Munich, where Joseph Ratzinger was Archbishop. The future Pope approved the man’s transfer on condition that he received weekly therapy — but he was also given a job in a Munich parish that allowed him regular contact with children. In 1986 he was given a suspended jail term for sexually abusing children again:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7067868.ece

    There is also a 69 page document that makes it absolutely clear that covering up such allegations has been official Vatican policy for decades:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/aug/17/religion.childprotection

    In fact, the Vatican has been challenged at the UN by Keith Porteous Wood who said:

    “The Vatican is a signatory to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), but has contravened several of its articles, and is more than 10 years behind in its reporting. It has habitually compounded the abuse and facilitated multiple reoffending by moving offenders around and shielding them from prosecuting authorities by imposing the “pontifical secret”:

    http://www.secularism.org.uk/nss-director-challenges-vatican.html

    Any genuinely moral person would, of course, will be truly sickened and utterly revolted by all these revelations and may want to protest the absurd decision to invite the Pope for a state visit to the UK. If so then please sign the petition:

    http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ProtestthePope/

    All of us have a moral duty to protest when the Pope visits so I hope to see you all there when he does:

    http://www.protest-the-pope.org.uk/

    Evil thrives when good people do nothing so please spread the word.

  • Comment number 71.

    68. ecolizzy 'Statist how long did you say before we sink beneath the waves and others take over! ; )'

    Well, as I suspect at least you may know, I am fair about these matters. The hard part of all this is that it's womern who have to change their behaviours. How many bright females do you know who have put their own freedom (independence and disposable income) before family life and partners in recent decades (many wake up to this when it's too late)? Women are more self-centred/narcissistic (just scan any of their magazines). It's just that men still 'allow' them to behave like children, albeit at everyone's cost it will turn out. :-(

  • Comment number 72.

    #67
    Well can see why it wouldn't be for you, but my brain is visual and my eyes like to be charmed. Not many word people understand visual intelligence hence its not important to them. I do rate fashion design as art especially for women. There is nothing more beautiful on earth (sorry to use that word again - cringe inducing I know) than a women well dressed. The Classical Greek sculptors knew this - now we do it through a lens, the distortions of which have caused women terrible problems of self image. So from time to time I like to give a thumbs up - an English thumbs up that is.

    The real importance is the financial delusion man has created to destroy humanity. Bombs have been replaced by a virtual money delusion destruction. Corrupted minds with over complicated maths as bomb fuel according to Mr Black Swan. Maybe we need to value colour, line and a cut design more.

  • Comment number 73.

    72. flicks 'Well can see why it wouldn't be for you, but my brain is visual and my eyes like to be charmed.'

    That's true of all men. What you are not seeing is that the market is essentially female.

    'Not many word people understand visual intelligence hence its not important to them.'

    It's females who are the word people. You need to take that on board.

    'I do rate fashion design as art especially for women. There is nothing more beautiful on earth (sorry to use that word again - cringe inducing I know) than a women well dressed.'

    Which is very useful for those who make they money out of this (and out of women). I'm not talking about the designers either. It may often be men who pay for this indulgence, but more and more it's women. I suggest you think about this in the context of your other posts on bankers.

    'Corrupted minds with over complicated maths as bomb fuel according to Mr Black Swan. Maybe we need to value colour, line and a cut design more.'

    Forget Mr Black Swan, he's 'nuts' (and not original). I've told you what has been driving our economic problems. It's simple. Brain feminization and anarchism (liberalism).

  • Comment number 74.


    May I ask why my comment has been referred to the moderators?

    It is on-topic and talks about the Catholic church.

    There is no abusive language and the facts stated are sourced and referenced with numerous links.

    So can the moderators here please explain why my comments have been removed?

  • Comment number 75.

    72. flicks 'The real importance is the financial delusion man has created to destroy humanity.'

    I reckon you need to discriminate far more finely. Who has destroyed who? Look at how well the Financial Services people did. Look at how well they are still doing. Look for job losses in Canary Wharf. Where are they?

    At whose expense has this all been done? To what end? Answer: privatisation and cuts in the Public Sector at the public's expense - why?

    High spatial intelligence is very much a male asset (think science, engineering logic, maths). Males have something in addition to females. Both males and females have one active X chromosome. Males have something extra ...... via some genes unique to the Y.

    Like jauntycyclist, you have something useful to learn here perhaps? I can spot (and verbally point out/do something about) error. Can you?

  • Comment number 76.

    74. Chaos Magick - Reading one of your comments elsewhere on drugs, smoking and responsibility, I suggest you need to grasp that whilst people cease being legally classed as children at 18 in this country, not everyone grows up cognitively - it's Normally distributed statistically, at each age band. If you measure this by verbal and spatial ability (via proxies such as Maths and English) the truth and practical implications of this fact of life should become obvious. Once one understands that cognitive abilities determine what one can see and understand, much of the rest follows in terms of duties/responsibilities towards those who can't see and understand what they are doing to themselves, and towards others that they nominally have responsibilities and duties towards.

    Do you understand what I am saying? A lot of health-care is preventative. Have a look at this map to see what goes wrong when people don't manage this properly by managing birth-rates. If your line is given free rein, this will happen here in time.

  • Comment number 77.

    will the queen be asked about questions when she knew of pedos in the anglican community where there was industrial scale abuse from schools run from london? as head of the church has she ever spoken up or apologised?

  • Comment number 78.

    ..Like jauntycyclist, you have something useful to learn here perhaps? ...

    the same old lesson i am learning is that reductionists are intellectually arrogant? :)

    the only place for me in that world system is in their gulags for political thought crimes. :)

    parmeneides, the father of logic, demonstrated what is the logical outcome if you choose anything other than the good or one as the highest idea of the mind. one of the dead ends is reductionism [which he predicted thousands of years ago]. He also gave a dialectic that show the 24 ways in which you can intellectually exhaust any term.

  • Comment number 79.

    77. jauntyclyclist - Here's one for you to contemplate.

    Have you found out what that gene and expressed enzyme working in steroid conversion may have to do with differnetial responses to stress and challenge yet? Opioids are involved you know.

    There's more to 'good' (and bad) than you may know.

  • Comment number 80.

    age of austerity.

    the missing words are the age of 'bankers enforced' austerity.

    lloyds share price is now above the break even price.

  • Comment number 81.

    78. jauntycyclist Well, I was right in my anticipation, just got the wrong post.

    Logic changed dramaticaly after Frege (1879). It became mechanical, i.e. it became clear that it has nothing to do with 'minds'. Hence computers and automation.

    Arrogance (closely related to hubrism and narcisism) is mistakenly thinking that one need not listen to others who know better from additional experience (education/research/science).

    I suggest you begin with Frege and that try to catch up, rather than dismissing the whole of modern matehmatical logic and philosophy as 'dead'. This, and its derivatives via Post, Church, Turing, Carnap, Quine, Shannon, Shockley etc accounts for your being able to post what you do (behaviour) after all.

  • Comment number 82.

    78. jauntyclyclist 'the same old lesson i am learning is that reductionists are intellectually arrogant? :)'

    Seriously, you need to stand back and think about this...carefully. Who is being arrogant? Can you see this? If not, why might that be?

    I did ask you to read the last third of 'Two Dogmas of Empiricism' (1951), as it was all about 'reductionism'. This is why so many people now talk of 'the critical mass' of evidence.

    The Gulag was a system of labour (work/rehabilitation/training) camps (prison system). We have them here, so does the USA etc. People (naturally) die in prison, just as they do in hospitals and their homes. Watch out for spin. Is the university/school system a GULAG?

  • Comment number 83.

    #78

    Ah, Jauntyclist, if it was only words that statist is trying to indulge in! He's into 'application'.. Something tells me he hasn't been feeling all that happy with the results recently.

    mim

  • Comment number 84.

    80. jauntycyclist 'the missing words are the age of 'bankers enforced' austerity. lloyds share price is now above the break even price.'

    Yes, all true, but this has been the age of narcissistic over confidence in spite of refuting evidence in my view, and that has been nurtured. If you look closely at what I have been posting, you will come to see me trying to highlight how our collective actions, i.e our behaviours, have brought all this about over time, and are still sustaining it. This is a continuum, a see-saw if you like. It's something which I have tried to bring out in lots of poster's behaviours (where possible) in order to highlight where the problem really lies (i.e in all of us), and what must be done for anything to change. In most cases here it is mild, and pretty trivial, but it's there, and that's what has to be acknowledged for change en mass. It's not far from what you vaguely refer to as corruption of 'the good', it's just that the science has moved on, and if you look closely as I suggets, you'll see how it actually works biologically/behaviourally.

    I personally don't matter (much) in this incidentally, except as a very small part of that critical mass which has to change.

  • Comment number 85.

    The Daily Politics -

    The union guys haven't understood what needs to be done by the public. Urge you to read the likes of Jim Willie and James Rickards. Years back I would read Willie due to my interest in gold and think he was crazy, turns out his one of the most switched-on with whats down the line.

    Its actually quite simple our leaders can make legal changes to remove people from being LOCKED INTO BANK ACCOUNTS and then we need to make them realise THEIR great power of moving THEIR money. Nothing else at this time is a viable option. Striking workers will make their life worse; they need to realise they in fact have the power but need help to implement it.

    Mr Cameron and Mr Cable I really would like to know if your going to unlock the bank accounts were all plugged into ? and set up new alternatives because you can not change the banking system - its a gobal problem - even if you break them up the derivatives and sovereign debt will drive the destruction.

    To the meda people - why this obsession with the cuts? we all know its coming nothing to be done. Its just sensationalist stuff - kinda bating, a little irresponsible as well being as people are going to suffer.

    Seems I may have upset someone some where again; think I will shut up about women's fashion and presenters. Errr that's not you Statist.

  • Comment number 86.

    go1 wrote:
    "There is no science that suggest differences between the races"

    Really!, I mean REALLY! Getting your weekly knowledge quota from Blue Peter ain't just enough is it. The DNA between two different dog breeds, say for instance a German shepherd and a poodle is just not there. The DNA would suggest they are the same, with only a nats leg difference between the two dog breeds and the wolf. Clearly any observation of the two dogs would tell you there are differences. So what does that tell you go1 about man and the different races?. Yes, on the DNA probe? hardly any difference...but trust me on this buddy, there are differences. Its just you can't see it because of that wing of holocaust and Nazi reference books that you've amassed is stopping you from getting out of the house. Can I suggest you open a window and shouting for help.

  • Comment number 87.

    (Unofficial) Beijing Bulletin 26031010/03: What most people tend to do is describe their behaviour (as what they 'think'), but what they don't tend to do is ask 'is this right?' or 'how do I know this is right?'. It doesn't seem to occur to many people that it may not be right. After all, they are doing it, so how can it be 'wrong'? The problem is that what they think they are doing may not be what they are in fact doing (how many peole know how their hearts, livers, kidneys, brains work?). To understand behaviour, one has to be trained to analyse/describe it as it is. This is much harder and much more austere than most people want to know.

  • Comment number 88.

    I don't always agree with this this fella but I do like the cut of his jib.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WISu5I5hfck&feature=grec

  • Comment number 89.

    83. mimpromptu 'Ah, Jauntyclist, if it was only words that statist is trying to indulge in! He's into 'application'.. Something tells me he hasn't been feeling all that happy with the results recently.'

    Here's a genuine, benevolent, question for you. Might it be the case that I know what I am talking about more than you do all things considered? If that is so, why are you not trying to learn> Even if you had doubts, would you/could you have anything to lose by trying?

    Under the circumstances, what does this tell us about your behaviour?

  • Comment number 90.

    82

    still in denial about political prisons to enforce ideology rather than ordinary crimes?

    north korea also has imperialistic minded re education but they link it to starvation and sleep deprivation to give it an 'edge'.

    do you use 2+2 still or is that rubbish because its 'old'?

    in the same way on what basis should the dialectic be given up that anticipated your whole movement and explained why it leads to nihilism and suicide as its 'logical' outcome? One only has to look at shelly kagans lectures at yale with such topics as 'The Rationality of Suicide' and his other 'death' lectures to see where it goes.

    so under that system one can be 'true' and still fail as a human being. which shows being true is not enough. doesn't the flaw point out the error in the assumptions? or is it rational to ignore it with the usual autism?

  • Comment number 91.

    83

    ..Something tells me he hasn't been feeling all that happy with the results recently...

    mim. careful. we are in danger of agreeing. which would never do :)

  • Comment number 92.

    OBSERVATION (#87 and many previous Statist posts)

    I am intrigued by your certainty (indeed - certaintIES) Statist.

    You have elicited the following behaviour in me before, but it might be worth reprise:

    "EVERY DAY THE CLEVER MAN FINDS HE KNOWS SOMETHING MORE - AND THE WISE MAN IS A LITTLE LESS CERTAIN."

    Is Statist immune?

  • Comment number 93.

    #63
    Oh how stupid I am - need to think how you lot (beeb) think.
    blocking me until I re-gave my email.

    Well look up - Hague Maxi Motion-Cam

    And its not me flogging um

  • Comment number 94.

    #60. thegangofone
    #37 indignantindegene wrote:

    'The main causes include:
    (1) uncontrolled and non-selective immigration; and
    (2) differential childbirth rates - due to 1; to UK education and taxation policies that encourage both parents working; and a social benefits system that encourages breeding by those who have, and will continue, to contribute least to our society.'

    Go1
    “You don't actually bother trying to justify your analysis with facts because you don't really have any do you and you don't need them in your world?”
    And you don’t actually bother to read what I stated, and your ‘facts’ are simply the same scattering of false accusations and histrionics. I’ve had several blogs kennelled for posting full details from the websites of organisation, but I’ll be happy to supply links that will provide supporting facts. What is it that you cannot understand about (1) and (2) above?

    “There is no science that suggest differences between the races. It could be argued that increasing the gene pool is a very good thing.”
    Try this BBC link:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1556901.stm
    'Britain's ethnic minorities are growing at 15 times the rate of the white population, newly-published research shows. Data collected by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) between 1992-1994 and 1997-1999 showed that the number of people from minority ethnic groups grew by 15% compared to 1% for white people.'

    Nowhere did I mention ‘race’ - maybe the differential birth rate is just a matter of culture, ideology - or habit?

    “Who determines who has made a valid contribution and who has not?”
    Try this:
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2867802/Illegal-immigrant-mum-gets-four-bedroom-house.html
    'An illegal immigrant mother can now live here rent-free and may end up costing taxpayers nearly £500,000 !'
    Some might give me a slight edge here on valid contribution, having paid taxes for my entire working life, and still having my pension taxed?

    “If both parents don't work then why should one sex stay at home rather than the other?”
    I did not mention who should stay at home, but there is no doubt that encouraging employment of both parents has resulted in a reduction in birth rates for indigenous families. An exception can be found in my locality, where £43 million New Deal for Communities, funded by taxpayers, has hardly reduced the rate of teenage pregnancy, or of single mother families. Another ‘valid contribution to society?

    "By the way if I recall you are in favour of the English Defence League and would vote BNP"

    I am in favour of any party or candidate that pledges to halt the decade of destroying our English heritage. When I have completed my study of
    websites and manifestos and interrogated potential candidates, I shall cast my vote accordingly. It may well be radical.

  • Comment number 95.

    90. jauntycyclist 'still in denial about political prisons to enforce ideology rather than ordinary crimes?'

    What is an 'ordinary crime'? Crimes are set out by criminal codes, i.e legislation. You have to look at a political system in its entirety. Stop judging evertyhing by your own lights.

    You just need to ask yourself one question: Has anything been learned since the Greeks? If you say no, you are in trouble, as it indicates you are not basing what you thing on reality. Your political views may suffer form the same error. Just consider that, OK?

    'north korea also has imperialistic minded re education but they link it to starvation and sleep deprivation to give it an 'edge'.'

    May some of their problems not be down to economic sanctions?

    'so under that system one can be 'true' and still fail as a human being. which shows being true is not enough. doesn't the flaw point out the error in the assumptions? or is it rational to ignore it with the usual autism?'

    That doesn't make a lot of sense.

    Instead of getting tied up with 'true' and 'good' and oter metaphyical problems etc, just have a look at Observation Sentences, or conjunctions of these and see if they are useful in helping you find your way through life. That is what modern science (pursuit of truth) is all about. It's austerely practical. It is about prediction and control. The sorts of thing that tells one what is wrong with a central heating system (heart, kidney, car, computer, economy etc) and how to sort it out, or make it work better. The criteria being evidence... Performance Indicators.

    Trust me. That's all there is.

  • Comment number 96.

    92. barriesingleton 'Is Statist immune?'

    Does it matter? Surely all that matters is if the sentences are true/useful?

    You keep getting distracted by metaphysical/identity issues.

  • Comment number 97.

    91. jauntycyclist ..Something tells me he hasn't been feeling all that happy with the results recently...

    mim. careful. we are in danger of agreeing. which would never do :)'

    I have been saying for some time that we have a major population problem, i.e. a dysgenesis problem. How do you think that manifests?
    Cognitive ability, and the ability to learn, is Normal Distributed. But within that one needs to look at skewing and shifts in Central Tendency both in comparison to others nations, and with respect to sub-groups within nations. The Greeks did not know about these things. Most people today still don't know about these things. people who did know about these things in the last century included: Galton, Spearman, Pearson, Fisher, Keynes. One person who remarked about this recently was James Watson (what does he know, and how did he find out?). Might you be missing something - important?

  • Comment number 98.

    #94 Crumbs Indi your post is quite shocking! I didn't realise the difference in ethnic and indigenous birthrates here was as high as 15 to 1. That's an incredible figure, I'm sure we will be wiped out quicker than Stat thinks. Look at one school in Dover 70% don't speak english, what on earth has happened?!!!

    If I get the opportunity I will be asking canvassers some awkward and probing questions, but unfortunately I live in a safe seat, so we hardly see any. But I'm taking your advice and still voting radically, even if it is the Monster Raving Looney Party, after all what could be worse than the other three. ; )

    Don't worry about Gango, he must be new to our shores ; )

  • Comment number 99.

    94. indignantindegene 'I’ve had several blogs kennelled for posting full details from the websites of organisation, but I’ll be happy to supply links that will provide supporting facts. What is it that you cannot understand about (1) and (2) above?'

    You are not, alas, corresponding with someone who appears to be interested in rational discussion about these matters.

    One point I'd like to pick you up on, which I thought was the case, but can now see is the case is that you are not using the technical term differential fertility properly It refers to differences in the birth rate as a function of the distribution of intelligence or socio-economic status (income). As these two demographics are in fact highly correlated, one can often use them as proxies for one another, but that is not the key thing to grasp here. The key thing to grasp is that there is an inverse (negative) correlation coefficient between birth-rate and socio-economic class (or IQ). This means that there are more births amongst the less able and it's somewhat linear too as less amongst the more able/wealthy. Te consequence is that as time goes by, the population begins to bulge at the lower side of the ability/income distribution, and becomes progressively denuded of ability at the other upper end. It tends to be slow. The problem is that able people are needed in order to provide complex services like medicine, dentistry, engineering (roads, buildings), teaching, management etc. The problem with high Differential Fertility is that leads to dysgenesis, i.e a move to the left in the distribution of intelligence in the entire population, and this is genetic.

    If one then lowers education standards to hide this, and/or import low skilled people to make up for the falling overall population (independent of Differential Fertility) more people may go to 'university' but standards in fact must come down. In the end, society collapses.

    This is what I am saying is happening. If some ethnic groups have lower mean 'educability' (for whatever reason), they will exacerbate this process. It is not a race things per se though, but changes in the birth rates by ethnic grouping can accelerate (or brake) the problem.

    There is lots of evidence to substnatiate what I say. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the only reaoson why some TV programmes have covered some of this in recent times (not always very well) is probably because it has been aired in blogs like this first! At least... that was the idea..... ;-)

  • Comment number 100.

    PERHAPS A MAN IS DEFINED BY WHAT HE CHOOSES TO ADDRESS? (96)

    Further so by the manner of that address.

    And undone by what he avoids.

 

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