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Friday 26 March 2010

Verity Murphy | 18:24 UK time, Friday, 26 March 2010

UPDATE - MORE DETAILS ON TONIGHT'S PROGRAMME:

US President Barack Obama and his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev have finalised a landmark deal to cut long-range nuclear arms, slashing the number of deployed warheads by a third.

Mr Obama hailed the treaty as the most comprehensive weapons control agreement in nearly two decades, saying that it sends "a clear signal that we intend to lead" on the issue of nuclear proliferation.

Tonight, Peter Marshall reports on how significant the foreign policy breakthrough is for Mr Obama, who set out his vision of moving towards a world without nuclear weapons in a keynote speech in Prague almost a year ago, and how likely it is that countries like Iran and North Korea will follow his lead.

We will also be talking to the US State Department.

Michael Crick will be looking at the Conservatives' economic policies, and how, in the wake of the Budget, the party intends to put clear blue water between its plans and those of the government.

For all that and more join Gavin Esler at 10.30pm on BBC Two.

ENTRY FRON 1217GMT:

US President Barack Obama and his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev are expected to hammer out the last outstanding issues surrounding an agreement on cutting their nuclear arsenals in a phone conversation later today.

If it goes ahead the deal will represent a major foreign policy score for Mr Obama, so what will the senate make of it, and how will the pact affect relationships between the US and Russia's neighbours?

Michael Crick will be looking at the Tories' economic policies, and the party's promise to outline plans more clearly as polls point towards a hung parliament.

And what are the ramifications of a paywall the The Times newspaper?

More details later.

Comments

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  • Comment number 1.

    If it goes ahead the deal will represent a major foreign policy score for Mr Obama, so what will the senate make of it, and how will the pact affect relationships between the US and Russia's neighbours?

    Given that the Cold War has allegedly ended, why are you not covering this from the Russian angle (and its neighbours)?

  • Comment number 2.

    Michael White in the Guardian says:

    "I read in today's Guardian that Jack Straw's latest plans for a reformed and wholly-elected second chamber have been "derailed" by no less a track saboteur than Peter Mandelson. Oh good. That will teach them to rush into complex matters for short-term electoral gain.

    Where do we start here? In my case, by admitting an unabashed reactionary strain about the deployment of constitutional reform as a panacea for what are essentially our current ills, which are political, not structural ones."

    I could not agree with him less except that rushed legislation is usually bad legislation.

    But from where I stand the sleaze and politicians arrogant detachment public from the public is purely and absolutely down to the structural problems and not political ones.

    Its wrong to have unelected members with such influence and its wrong that Lord Adonis can be made a peer and then be given a Ministerial job whilst remaining unaccountable.

    The total abject failure to really deal with the causes of sleaze - there are no checks and balances in our system on the MP's and the Queens Prerogative gives the PM far too much leeway.

    A cynic would say that the Lords as it is has been more useful to Labour than to the Tories and like the electoral system that means they need 35,000 votes a seat the Tories will need maybe 44,000.

    If Labour stay in power because the system does not reflect the genuine aspirations of the people then current apathy and disenchantment will be magnified greatly and that won't be good for anybody.

  • Comment number 3.

    "If it goes ahead the deal will represent a major foreign policy score for Mr Obama, so what will the senate make of it, and how will the pact affect relationships between the US and Russia's neighbours?"

    I can't see the Republicans - who have not so far as I know condemned the violence that followed the health car bill - endorsing the President right now. Palin praising Obama - only if he goes shooting in Alaska.

    But I think the world will see reduced risk and a greater chance of constructive cooperation though I assume Georgia will still be an unduly large fly in the ointment.

    But I can't see Saakashvili complaining too much or he risks becoming another premier who is "waiting for the Republicans turn in office" and thats a risky strategy.

  • Comment number 4.

    On the Tories economic plans I think Nick Robinson had it spot on that the gap between the public perception that the debt mountain is overhyped is not being corrected by either Labour or the Tories before an election.

    The Lib Dems are being honest and I suspect if there was coalition people would see a genuine commitment to the painful process of cuts so they will ose their "harmless" tag.

    Meanwhile Labour are like a "friend" who has taken you out for an extravagant night on the twon and then you realise its all on your credit card and you are going to be paying it off for a very long time.

  • Comment number 5.

    How does News International handle the contradiction of backing the "communist" NHS loving Cameron and Sarah Palin who seems to be little more than a pliable Fox News gimmick using cross hairs to identify political battlegrounds when the militia types are threatening violence after health care reform?

    Palin seems to be utterly out of her depth politically and contemplating going down the media phenomenon path in any election bid.

    That can't be good for the US or the world.

  • Comment number 6.

    #1 statist

    "This comment is awaiting moderation" so I can't read your post but its never really worth reading anyway beyond it being evidence for how somebody can promote Hitler, racial policies and a belief in the "Jewish hegemony" and the tenets of national Socialism and never provide any sound facts and statistics.

    As I have said many times somebody who can propose that the Holocaust was "made up to put people off statism" and not laugh at the sheer impossibility of coordinating millions of people and faking physical evidence and the profound grief that that evil created is not all there.

  • Comment number 7.

    An other leftie called Blair just what I don't kneed pass me the bottle
    aunties oh and the g3 with bayonet. 20 round mag fat stock in the heat
    forget the 30 rnd mag the spring is 2 week

  • Comment number 8.

    to get news on afghanistan one has to read foreign news wires as we don't get it here.

    NATO opposes the russian call to destroy the opium fields. NATO refuse to dot hat because it upset the farmers. All crime reduction 'offends' the crimnals.

    ..According to statistics "the losses of the civilian population of Europe caused by opium-based narcotics exceed the losses of the NATO military contingent in Afghanistan by 50 times."...

    http://rt.com/Politics/2010-03-25/afghanistan-opium-nato-russia.html

    a nation building plan would have pre emptied this problem and the solutions would have been in force by now. but as we know the uk nor the west has any nation building science. maybe because its would be an 'oppression' to [statist's] 'anarchy' analysis as the chief 'idea' of the west?

  • Comment number 9.

  • Comment number 10.

    "On the Tories economic plans I think Nick Robinson had it spot on that the gap between the public perception that the debt mountain is overhyped is not being corrected by either Labour or the Tories before an election."

    The public are also being kept in a state of ignorance by the failure of journalists to present a coherent analysis of the parlous state of the economy or the merits/demerits of the various arguments for putting it right.

  • Comment number 11.

    Does my bumm look big In this I do hope it so

  • Comment number 12.

    8. jauntycyclist 'maybe because its would be an 'oppression' to [statist's] 'anarchy' analysis as the chief 'idea' of the west?'

    Take this on board: Anarchism just means 'without rule' (deregulation). It is basic to modern 'Western' Liberal-Democracy that the state is therefore rolled back in favour of market-forces determining value (prices). All three major parties will peddle manifestos doing just this one way or the other. What you will not be presented with is a genuine choice. There was a Cold War after WWII when billion were spent on WMDs and propaganda to keep statism at bay so Liberal-Democracy could thrive. Now we are about to reap the whirlwind - through major cuts to Public Services (the state).

    Do you need a fanfare in order to recognise sound analyses when they're served up for you for free? Has it really become so 'bad'? I think it has you know...

    Can you spot the contributors to anarchism in this blog (and elsewhere)? Do they see themselves as such, or may they be well meaning 'useful idiots'? Might it be narcissism which prevents them from learning? Is narcissism an infantile/adolescent disorder of arrested development?

    Good 'ere, init? ;-)

  • Comment number 13.

    7. dAllan169 'An other leftie called Blair just what I don't kneed pass me the bottle aunties oh and the g3 with bayonet. 20 round mag fat stock in the heat forget the 30 rnd mag the spring is 2 week'

    What makes you say Blair is a leftie? Look at membership of the Socialist International. These are made-over right wing anarchists. If it was a leftie organization you'd find China and Russia in it.

    The only way that New Labour could be considered 'leftie' would be if it had being doing what it was for the past 12 years or so in an effort to push capitalism to the brink in order to foment a revolution. But if they had been doing that, where is Old Labour or the Stalinists to pick up the pieces? The EU looks remarkably Social Democratic (free-market capitalist) to most in terms of is legislation and Articles of the FCHR.

  • Comment number 14.

    #91

    Jauntycyclist

    You're now the fifth, I think, blogger /man probably/ coming out in my support - (^_^). Ta!

    How is your sleep pattern these days?

    mim

  • Comment number 15.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/stephanieflanders/2010/03/phoney_deficit_wars.html

    I guess Stephanie has to earn her keep and write something. The reality of what needs to happen (that's after the cuts and job looses) is just too much to put out there or even contemplate in places like the BBC.

    #10 - Maggie - suggest you look up the writings of metal analysts/economists who seem to be on the money with whats down the line. Remember the UK is small cog in the wheel but its where the financial nukes are held - hedge funds and we have a tea party Charlie running the show.

    Got my polling card and will relish every second I do NOT put an X next to the labour party. And think of the damage Brown's 'risk' based approach to regulation did to me and my family.

  • Comment number 16.

    If anarchism is defined the way Statist sees it, then I am a proud naricissitic and infantile anarchist though not a 'useful idiot' in his service, even he might think otherwise. Ah, delusions, delusions.

    mim

  • Comment number 17.

    14. mimpromptu Jauntycyclist

    You're now the fifth, I think, blogger /man probably/ coming out in my support - (^_^). Ta!'

    Here's the problem (which you evidently don't see): if I am right, the more people support/reinforce your class of behaviours (or the more you think they do), the worse life will actually become for yourself (and to the extent that they do support you, for them too). Do you understand how that could work?

    I'm happy just to describe/explicate.

  • Comment number 18.

    USA and RUSSIA CUT NUKES.

    Cause for celebration; almost as momentous as Michael Winner dropping the seventh course.

  • Comment number 19.

    #17 - 'Here's the problem'

    Given that you know what the diagnosis is and you are most probably correct why do you engage Monica on here - why don't you just leave her alone. Part of the problem is also the moderators allowing the personal attack stuff which makes you both 'perform' - its the Beeb being invidious for eyes on the blog in my view. Her problem isn't going to be solved by you. It requires very specialised skill over years.


    #18 - Too true - Thanks for the laugh .

  • Comment number 20.

    16. mimpromptu 'If anarchism is defined the way Statist sees it, then I am a proud naricissitic and infantile anarchist though not a 'useful idiot' in his service, even he might think otherwise. Ah, delusions, delusions.'

    Not in my service. I never suggested that it was in my service.

    It serves the downfall of the Public Sector and statism, i.e. it serves the money-men/women.

  • Comment number 21.

    12

    the absence of a nation building plan does not necessarily mean a plan for anarchy. its just there is no recognised nation building science in the uk or anywhere else in the west outside of the 'book' people who think they have a divinely revealed 'plan' or are sectarian in other ways.

    so imo the apparent anarchy is the result of the absence of a nation building science rather than a commitment to anarchism. vested interest does not look beyond itself which is why everything is disjointed and unconnected for the benefit of the people as a whole.

    the medieval monarchy self interest model is still the basis for uk society which is why the national oath is to protect the privileges of one family rather than the human rights of the people.

    so in bringing, by military means, democracy which must be representative to other states the uk state does not practise at home what its preaches abroad.

  • Comment number 22.

    19. flicks 'Given that you know what the diagnosis is and you are most probably correct why do you engage Monica on here - why don't you just leave her alone. Part of the problem is also the moderators allowing the personal attack stuff which makes you both 'perform' - its the Beeb being invidious for eyes on the blog in my view. Her problem isn't going to be solved by you. It requires very specialised skill over years.'

    Ah, how little you know/understand. Your last remark is false.

    I am not attacking 'Monika' (though she does attack). Blogdog can probably see this. I don't attack people. Take that on board. I am not malevolent. That's true.

    Your reading is just your experience of being on the receiving end of contructive criticism aka education. people only change (benefit) through not behaving the way that they behaved before.... Give that some thought. People continue to behave the way they do so long as it is reinforced. One has to look to objectives to judge actions. One has to look to consequences.

  • Comment number 23.

    any afghan shepherd has better rights than we in the uk do.

    http://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/af00000_.html

    to suggest the afghan constitution or similar framework be adopted in the uk would be classed under uk law as treason and punishable with imprisonment.

  • Comment number 24.

    Barack Obama may want to lead on the issue of nuclear non-proliferation, but what new weapon(s) has his military complex come up with that would make nuclear weaponry look as obsolete as bloody war clubs.

    A world without nuclear weapons is one thing, but not if something far worse is in the wings, just waiting to roll out with terrible destruction - Haiti-type destruction, Chinese-type draught, Afghanistan-type avalanches, or Indonesian-type tsunamis.

    You don't get radiation from these. You don't have leave land fallow for 1,000 years because of radiation.

    Is this American move really just a ploy to exert pressure on Iran & North Korea to follow the American/Russian example when the American example leads to nothing really important as far as the American military complex is concerned - just a new and better weapon replacing nuclear bombs.

    I wouldn't put it past the Americans to sit back like Gods with a weather-weapon that can bring drought, earthquake, tsumanmis, hurricanes, and just about any other dire weather catastrophe that could be seeded, and is this weapon perhaps known as HAARP?

    I hope I'm not being paranoid but I've seen too much American duplicity to trust them on nuclear non-proliferation, and I can't believe that Russia does either.

  • Comment number 25.

    #22
    Statist where did I say you attack Monica in my post ? Although you have and I could point to certain posts.

    You certainly humiliate with sarcasm - yesterday you did a job on Sarah's
    mistake we all knew what she meant but you have to pipe up. Can you take that on board ?

    As for education that you keep on about and gets tiresome. I read and write Classical Greek and am well read in other areas of the arts. Guess what I don't feel the need to teach you Ancient Greek language or how to make a Becquerel daguerreotype or give you a lecture on the relevance of Japanese Ukiyo-e prints to Eugene Atget, Lee Friedlander and their progression of an aspect of visual syntax. I develop through the practice of a visual discipline - this is not word based so your not going to 'get it' .

    Why I just bothered to say that I don't now know - it wasn't worth it.

    Now then again; why do you feel the need to engage Monica given her problem ?

  • Comment number 26.

    Post 13 unlucky for me someti
    es it's a fair comment

    I lie corrected ............. Smometi
    es smell times

  • Comment number 27.

    #17

    Yes, go on, tell us, especially what you're going to do to those who give me support.

    I see, Flicks also seems to be on my side. I'm not sure what diagnosis he's talking about but nevertheless his comments are appreciated.

    #19 Thank you, Flicks! Statist is a bringer of misery. I don't like miserable men of his sort. I should imagine Statist knows Jacques Brel's song 'La Quete', in which, while singing about his search for a star, a 'miserable camp'. Well, he belongs to it.

    mim

  • Comment number 28.

    #17 & #20

    You seem to be confused. On one hand, at #17, you seem to claim some hold on me while at #20 you deny it

  • Comment number 29.

    #25

    Flicks

    It's interesting to find out how learned and skilled you are and I couldn't agree with you more what you say that Statist constant blabbering about education is tiresome.

    Once again, thank you for your support, but please take care or else Statist will come out and do something horrible to you.

    mim

  • Comment number 30.

    POPES AND THE CAUSES OF POPES

    An innate respect/reverence for 'all that is' does no harm. Only when aberrant man morphs it into dogma-based religion and Gods WHO NEED WORSHIP (an oxymoron to beat them all) does the pain start.

    Dogma usually derives from just one man - deluded and obsessive. He suffers his 'baptismal event' and then needs to convince others if his belief is to be 'confirmed' - reflected back. It then feeds off itself as more strangely configured individuals, see a safe haven for their vulnerabilities and foibles. You have a Church.

    Churches become power and wealth bases; self-perpetuating, fiercely defended, violent when it suits and blind-eyed when it protects. OUR gullibility and inability to challenge conditioning (juvenile state) permits continuation.

    If you were God, would you want any of the nonsense we see around us, enacted IN YOUR NAME? I am tempted to say: IT BEGGARS BELIEF. Humans are just so rubbish at being.

  • Comment number 31.

    21. jauntycyclist 'the absence of a nation building plan does not necessarily mean a plan for anarchy.'

    Anarchism - look it up.

    'its just there is no recognised nation building science in the uk or anywhere else in the west outside of the 'book' people who think they have a divinely revealed 'plan' or are sectarian in other ways.'

    Arrogance - look it up.

  • Comment number 32.

    27. mimpromptu 'Yes, go on, tell us, especially what you're going to do to those who give me support.'

    Imagine someone standing on a high ledge and threatening to jump off. The type of 'support' that I am saying does you no good (and which I am criticising) is the sort where people below are shouting "'jump!, jump!".

    If you ever read anything that I post and read it as being hurtful/malicious, you can pretty much guarantee that you have misread it.

    OK?

  • Comment number 33.

    30. barriesingleton 'If you were God, would you want any of the nonsense we see around us, enacted IN YOUR NAME? I am tempted to say: IT BEGGARS BELIEF. Humans are just so rubbish at being.'

    The problem is that not all people across the world, or even within nations are equal in cognitive ability or 'maturity', nor can they be made so via education (even eduction x3). So what's to do? Throughout history, people have created systems where someone played 'supernanny' for those who couldn't grow up. Look back through history and you'll see this in one form or another. Don't knock it, often it's been benign. Look to Africa today. Look at 'literacy' etc levels. When China and the USSR were still largely rural ('peasant') and illiterate, they needed a 'cult of personality' to lead them. So they created one, and as their populatons were reshaped (at the genetic level), they ultimately dispensed with such props (in China today, the leaders wear suits made in China and are largely engineers etc!). Try seeing it that way. See Zimbabwe today - it's Democratic-Centralist like the USSR was and China is today. They have a 'personality'. Look at the objective measures of the population, and consider it somewhat childlike. Children have a naive faith in the omnipotence of their parents. Not all children grow up, nor can they be made to. Some of your posts are veiled elitism rather than realism/pragmatism. I accept that ability means diversity.

  • Comment number 34.

    BANGS ARE SURE TO BECOME OBSOLETE (#24)

    The only certainties are death, taxes and deceit. The gunman who drops his weapon, always has another in his boot.

    The film 'Dr Strangelove' made so many sound points about stupid humans and their weapons of war. Of course those who can, are looking for the ultimate weapon. It's what unconstrained male cleverness does.
    I was recently hypothesising with a friend, that a particularly clever rogue state might come up with a weapon that works though broadband, and thin us out at the touch of a button. Nukes are measured as equivalent in TNT - that says it all. 'Primitive'.

    As the Titanic was sinking, the obsessive bloke is rushing around trying to shoot the hero. On dry land he would be funding the ultimate killing weapon. Blokes eh? Always want control and will kill to get it.

  • Comment number 35.

    25. flicks 'Why I just bothered to say that I don't now know - it wasn't worth it.'

    True, but you still posted it. Why didn't you act on that bit of insight (awareness of your behaviour)?

    You could have posted something useful instead. I'm being serious. You have something to learn.

  • Comment number 36.

    #32

    Nothing you write , stat, is hutful to me because you don't mean anything to me but I do consider you as a very malicious
    person.

    In fact, by now, there are not many people who could hurt my feelings or sense of identity, not many at all. I've got it worked almost to perfection, i.e. I don't have to think twice before my shoulders shrug of their own accord.

  • Comment number 37.

    36. mimpromptu 'Nothing you write , stat, is hutful to me because you don't mean anything to me but I do consider you as a very malicious
    person.'

    See post #32, and try to do your bit to stop making Britain worse than it already is.

  • Comment number 38.

    AVOIDING BEING ELEPHANTIST?

    How can Newsnight talk airily of the USA/Russian trick influencing Iran into joining the 'Let's Not Have Nukes Club', without any mention of Israel? I will avoid being elephantist, and just point out there was an enormous dump came from somewhere.

  • Comment number 39.

    Questions about The 2011 National Census Questions

    The final version of the 2011 National Census Form was expected to be approved by parliament by the end of 2009. I have not seen any coverage of this, though it involves/affects us all in various ways.

    I have some concerns with one of the stated objectives:-
    “It is recommended that ONS should work with the Equality and Human Rights Commission, and with other organisations carrying out equality monitoring, to advise on how to use the range of Census questions as the basis for equality monitoring beyond the 2011 Census.”

    This may become a major distortion of what has previously been a source of information for historians, sociologists and the public at large.

    Without risking another ‘kennel-ing’ through quoting too extensively from the published documentation, I provide one of the links, dealing with ethnic groups :-

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/census/2011-census/2011-census-questionnaire-content/question-and-content-recommendations-for-2011/index.html

    My main concern is the discussions which have taken place 'identifying' ethnic minorities, which included statements such as:

    “The 2001 Census drew strong opinion from people that wished to express a more detailed identity than just ‘British’. It will probably be important that the ethnic group classification question should follow one on ‘national identity’ covering identification with any of the four countries of the UK and/or with British. This is intended to ensure more stable responses” and

    “The 2007 consultation identified that there was also a desire for ethnic minority populations to express their affiliation with England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and Britain, particularly among those who were born in the UK. An English local authority (2007) believed that a question on national identity ‘would increase the response rate from certain sections of the community, for instance second or third generation Asian immigrants who may wish to record their national identity as British or English but their ethnic background as Asian.’

    'The opportunity for multiple responses provides a means for people to identify with more than one nation…..an expression of national identity, where different from birthplace, could provide one measure of social and community cohesion.’

    National Census should not provide residents with scope for choosing their identity, simply to be meet their ‘desires’ or to further the dubious objectives of EHRC?

    My surname indicates a connection with Scotland, so may I reclassify myself and family as Scottish. Also my mother usually wore green, so perhaps I should tick the Irish box? Our family research has shown many generations of Thames boatmen, and I will never accept that hordes of new-British can now be entitled to call themselves ENGLISH just out of a desire, or to force an impression of equality.

  • Comment number 40.

    The ship was sunk by a torpedo.

  • Comment number 41.

    HALAL MEAT TRIAL

    If you go to the KFC site, and click on "about KFC" the halal meat trial comes up. Click on the link, you are allowed to comment on your views of the practice of slaughter of the animals used in KFC.

  • Comment number 42.

    25. 'You certainly humiliate with sarcasm - yesterday you did a job on Sarah's mistake we all knew what she meant but you have to pipe up. Can you take that on board ?'

    Lowering standards has one effect. Lowering standards. See Britain, do you know what I mean? Take that on board.

    Why do attention seeking narcissists behave the way they do? Because it attracts attention, and for some, any attention will do. Some cut, some self-harm/abuse in other ways.

    Why doesn't 'therapy' work? Answer 1) because they don't have a problem, everyone else does. Answer 2) therapy is attention. Answer 3) The cat-walk/design-studio/theatre/media etc is therapy!

  • Comment number 43.

    IS JEDI STILL ALLOWED? (#39)

    Or will the beefed-up Europolice arrest and render anyone self-identifying as such?

  • Comment number 44.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 45.

    I have just watched the 'debate' about the Shakespearean authorship on the review programme and was appalled by the lack of balance. To have the total panel supporting one side of the debate and the opposing view (Mark Rylance) given only a tiny amount of time and no possibility of joining in the discussion was unbelievable in an allegedly responsiple arts programme. You are surely going to have to have another programme where the perfectly valid case for an alternative authorship can be properly and fairly put and argued? Otherwise you lose all credibility as a serious programme.

  • Comment number 46.

    Jauntycyclist

    Do you think that statist makes any sense at all in his #97?

    mim

  • Comment number 47.

    #6

    thegangofone

    Agreed - 'nothing worth reading'!

    mim

  • Comment number 48.

    #37

    Could you specify, stat, what it is exactly that I'm doing that's making 'Britain worse than it is'? Is my ice-skating causing any damage to Britain or my dittying?

  • Comment number 49.

    MArk the Dane the dane's are revolting

    40 per cent of the be iFITS the system
    arsse givin. 2 those oo don't deserve
    mmm a waste oof space Iwod say

  • Comment number 50.

    47. mimpromptu 'Agreed - 'nothing worth reading'!'

    48. mimpromptu 'Could you specify, stat, what it is exactly that I'm doing that's making 'Britain worse than it is'?'

    Evidently not.

  • Comment number 51.

    #42 - Sarah is not lowering standards she just made a mistake just as you make mistakes - many times you spell the word 'the' - teh maybe you are dyslexic but I don't think you are lowering standards by continuing to misspell. However the intention to be sarcastic and humiliate is clear in some of your posts and more problematic than lowering standards.

    #45 - The art world is feudal its about who has the power to give value. If you wanna be in that world you have to submit to it - the judgment of powerful curators, critics and collectors. If they don't like you or what you do or think you are ignored - they don't do 'objective' Having said that I didn't see the review show last night.

  • Comment number 52.

    51. flicks #42 - Sarah is not lowering standards she just made a mistake just as you make mistakes - many times you spell the word 'the' - teh maybe you are dyslexic but I don't think you are lowering standards by continuing to misspell. However the intention to be sarcastic and humiliate is clear in some of your posts and more problematic than lowering standards.

    See #50, and try to learn rather tnan repeat these errors again.

    Behaviour Analysis is not your strong point.

  • Comment number 53.

    #50

    Whose body, little chinese man?

  • Comment number 54.

    38

    yes barry lots of elephant dung about.

  • Comment number 55.

    46

    mim

    my focus is the news stories that interest me rather than being distracted by other peoples opinions that go into dead ends. hope that helps.

  • Comment number 56.

    labour a 'safe pair of hands'?

    new labour has to be the worst govt we have ever had. 2 unwinnable [1 illegal based on lies] wars , financial collapse for a generation because of their love of market fundamentalism, didn't reform the upper house, no written constitution, blocked feed in tariff, mps 'within the rules' corruption the list goes on and on.

  • Comment number 57.

    #55

    Jauntycyclist

    It neither helps or hurts but I take it on board

    mim

  • Comment number 58.

    ART WORLD - SUB-SET 'POETRY' (#51)

    Whilst acknowledging the word 'poetry' is wide open by derivation, the fad for 'no discernable structure or discipline' (perhaps a Dawkins meme?) has taken hold. A glance at contest-winning entries, will support my assertion. The poetry equivalent of random paint, crumpled paper and the Blu-Tack blob, in verbal analogy, is alive and - well . . .

  • Comment number 59.

    55. jauntycyclist 'my focus is the news stories that interest me rather than being distracted by other peoples opinions that go into dead ends. hope that helps.'

    Seriously, perhaps that's because you're too easily distracted by the authority of celebritism rather than what really matters? Perhaps you too should try asking what drives your interest in news stories etc along with your other interests? After all, you're the one who's openly prepared to (ironically, rather arrogantly) dismiss what's now known from empirical research in favour of what you think was believed thousands of years ago. What you say here really is beyond the pale, but you don't see why. It is, alas, all too sadly reflective of our self-destructive, anarchistic and hubristic times.

  • Comment number 60.

    In the Independent (Reuters):

    'Russian prosecutors have banned Adolf Hitler's 1925 book Mein Kampf as extremist in an attempt to combat the growing allure of far-right politics.

    Despite including tracts that are both anti-Jewish and anti-Russian, it has been championed by some Russian far-right groups. "The book justifies the destruction of non-Aryan races," the prosecutor's office said.'

    I applaud their recognition of the threat that the cult-like far right poses but myself I would not have banned the book on grounds of freedom of speech.

    But I would follow the German example here and make Holocaust denial illegal as it is not freedom of speech it is a freedom to lie - and I don't see why anybody should have that right.

  • Comment number 61.

    #59 statist

    "After all, you're the one who's openly prepared to (ironically, rather arrogantly) dismiss what's now known from empirical research in favour of what you think was believed thousands of years ago. What you say here really is beyond the pale, but you don't see why. It is, alas, all too sadly reflective of our self-destructive, anarchistic and hubristic times."

    I seem to recall jaded_jean who used to use extremely similar language to you rattling on about science and so on.

    That poster "disappeared" when push came to shove because the science that underpinned the far right notion of race "realism" does not really exist. In fact the science shows that, largely, we all came out of Africa and the races are incredibly similar varying only cosmetically due to climate adaptations.

    So as for my #60 the notions in Mein Kampf are not only evil and clearly based on rhetoric rather than fact (Hitler never validates accusations against Jews) but are scientifically refuted - the races are geneticallt the same and our "stock" is probably improved by multi-racialism.

    I do think that the Beeb should follow the Channel 4 series that produced "Race and Intelligence".

    The far right rely on lies and smoke and retreating to a new redoubt of lies and smoke. Blow the lies away.



  • Comment number 62.

    Are the British being very selfish?

    The talk is all of elections and deficits and what reforms are needed constitutionally and when we need them.

    People are concerned that their services will be reduced, their jobs lost and their children's education blighted by paying off the debt we accrued basically to compensate for a failure to regulate the banks.

    The British public of course were not aware of the problem and sadly neither was the Chancellor.

    But anyway shouldn't we all be more focused on what the legacy of Saint Blair of Iraq will be? Is that not the big question?

    I am not talking of his alleged 73 homes but his political legacy.

    Not the legacy of shame that was exemplified by the Hoon, Byers and Hewitt utterances.

    But then "Cab for hire" does almost some up the reality of Blairism.

  • Comment number 63.

    #51 flicks (on statist)

    "many times you spell the word 'the' - teh maybe you are dyslexic but I don't think you are lowering standards by continuing to misspell. However the intention to be sarcastic and humiliate is clear in some of your posts and more problematic than lowering standards."

    Perhaps statist IS dyslexic as Barnbrook of the BNP is dyslexic and, as was revealed by the council he brought into disrepute, because of citing murders that never happened due to a mixture of dyslexia and church bells.

    It all makes perfect sense when you look at the far right notions on race (all rubbish in science) and history (the Holocaust was "made up to put people off "statism" -National Socialism in fact) and philosophy (National Socialism is supposedly a coherent left wing ideology rather than a magpie collection of ideas to justify the replacement monarchism expressed in the Fuhrer-State).

    The sarcasm and attempts to humiliate are probably genuine psychological flaws as there is a clear inability to face up to reality and so factual observances don't suffice.

    But remember perhaps that the far right is very cult-like indeed and that they don't really encourage their views to be challenged. Its perhaps more of a state of mind than an intellectual framework.

    Also remember that when statist makes observances from time to time that "Hitler had to do what he did" you are talking about somebody who is as cowardly and evil as the Nazis.

    So what are the utterances of "statist" worth? Not much I venture.

  • Comment number 64.

    In the wake of recent events e.g. 'upstart' unions, the Vatican, odd rogue priest etc, I suggest it's worth thinking about how the media shapes public perception/behaviour:

    'On Thursday, January 22, within minutes of the leaking on the internet of the announcement that the excommunications of the four bishops were to be lifted, reports that Bishop Williamson was a “Holocaust denier” began circulating on the web as well. These reports referred to an interview conducted months before in Germany but to be broadcast the following day on Swedish TV.'

    To what political (these days invariably economic) end might anyone want the Catholic Church, or Islam, so weakened? How might it help to dumb down the population, via education?

    Furthermore, if the Pope's (or Imams') word is final, de facto and de jure, what is practically going on when people challenge this? Is this not anarchic behaviour? How might that serve the interests of those who lobby for de-regulation? For 'freedom'?

    Note how even science is in the frame too?

  • Comment number 65.

    #39 indignantindegene

    "Our family research has shown many generations of Thames boatmen, and I will never accept that hordes of new-British can now be entitled to call themselves ENGLISH just out of a desire, or to force an impression of equality."

    Well if they have the passport then that's quite silly as they are English and they don't have to force you to do anything as their rights are enshrined in legislation with regards to Equality.

    Its also silly as you rattle on in essence about ethnicity but given there are no significant genetic differences between the races this is pure ignorance.

    The reason that even those such as the odious BNP can't fight the EHRC in court over their racial membership policies is because there is no factual basis on which to do so. There is no science to justify your views.

    Moreover the notion of English really already includes roots from Scandinavia, Germany, Rome, France and so on.

    Therefore its of no surprise that in your previous utterances you have shown support for the likes of The English Defence League - a shadowy group of ignorant football hooligan yobs and a smattering of those that probably are trying to manipulate the naive - the BNP.

    As with most things far right you offer many words, almost no sound facts and a spiteful and malicious world view that you cannot justify intellectually.

    In one word your views are risible.

  • Comment number 66.

    #17 statist

    "I'm happy just to describe/explicate."

    Ah you haven't used the "explicate" word since your "jaded_jean" days.

    Has there ever been such a snake oil salesperson who tries to create such an image of grand intellectual pretension when the reality is that they fall far short of average having failed to grasp central scientific, historical and philosophical realities?

    One day, for instance, you will actually try to validate your view of Jews rather than slip off onto a new lie and smokescreen. Like Hitler, your hero, you make many accusations but don't feel the need to rely on facts.

    You have a mind of very little substance.

  • Comment number 67.

    In the HuffPost:

    'Speaking at a McCain for Senate campaign rally, Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin issued the following warning to the most extreme elements in the Tea Party movement: "Anyone who uses threats of violence will be in my crosshairs."

    But she was was quick to add that the issue of violence had been overblown by what she called "the lame-stream media," adding, "In Alaska, you know what we do with people like that? We hunt 'em down and shoot 'em between the eyes!" '

    To me this all says far more about McCain than it does about Palin.

    She is a narcissist who is hooked on media attention but she could have been VP and he was never a favourite to be President but on a short list of two ....

    You would have expected more from McCain than this post-McCarthyite hysteria.

    I believe that the way the US vote breaks down nearly half will always vote Republican until hell freezes over no matter what the facts, policies and personalities.

    But you would have thought more than a few would be breathing a sigh of relief that they did not inflict this dynamic duo on the US and the world.

    Then again as Marty Kaplan says in the HuffPost:

    'A recent example is a Harris poll that asked whether each of 15 statements about Barack Obama is true or false. In every single case, the less schooling people had, the more likely they were to believe that false things are true.

    For example, 18 percent of Americans with high school or less education think that the president may be the Anti-Christ. That's right, nearly one out of five people who are eligible to vote, same as you, believe Obama is the bad guy in The Omen. But only 13 percent of people with some college believe that; and 9 percent of college graduates; and down to 4 percent of people who've had some post-graduate education.

    It's the same descending scale with "He is doing many of the things that Hitler did."
    '

    As I have said before I don't think Hitler was well known for healthcare and I think a civil rights lawyer like Obama would not really be seeking KKK or BNP membership.

    But as I have said to statist many times education liberates and the kind of propaganda that those far right posters on here try to use is intended to enslave.

  • Comment number 68.

    in frost over the world [on the bbc retirement home channel Al Jareeza] John Bolton who thinks like the settler israelis really think openly talks about israel using nuclear weapon against iran? about 5 mins into the interview

    http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/frostovertheworld/2010/03/20103201472175640.html

  • Comment number 69.

    GO1:
    When you say Barack Obama you mean Barry Sorento, the imposter President. Obama AKA Sorento is a nice fella, he's just surrounded by very evil people who stear him and the elites agenda. I don't think the Republicans are calling him Hitler, they are calling him something even worse: Chairman Obama and uncle Joe Obama on account of the Socialist agenda he is fronting. To give Barry credit, the deal with the Ruskies in the reduction of the nukes should be applauded, but many US enemies - of which they have many - will see that as a weakness, and his aloof attitude recently towards the Isreali Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is only gonna cause more grief for all in the middle east. Barry needs to save money and make money - for the Wall ST shyters, hence the drive for social healthcare...and call it what you want but its a massive tax raid on the American people and nothing else but that. The US is bankrupt and not because of the credit cruch of the last couple of years, they've been bankrupt since 1933 and have been owned by the banksters and the corporations since that year and that includes all the Presidents, well perhaps there are one or two notable exceptions: Dwight D and John F.

    P:S don't put the Huff on a pedistool as a place for gathering sound information and decent informed opinion, its started losing its way recently. Some of its contributors /articals written have been getting pulled, in other words, its not what it was.

  • Comment number 70.

    68. jauntycyclist 'in frost over the world [on the bbc retirement home channel Al Jareeza] John Bolton who thinks like the settler israelis really think openly talks about israel using nuclear weapon against iran? about 5 mins into the interview'

    Bolton is bound to say that. Why would Neocon USA (or the SI EU) want stability in the region? Stability would most likely result in some form of regulative Arab/Islamic Nationalism/Socialism. Israel, and the Jewish state before it, has always been a very useful, subversive/anarchistic obstacle to that in the region. It was what Balfour was all about even as far back as 1917. Whether Jews drive this, or just have done very well out of it isn't critically important. It's the old ideological/economic war between deregulation and regulation.

  • Comment number 71.

    Met an engineer I like engineers they engineer things
    he was morrican six foot five 8 teen stone no fat
    he said quote trouble is idiots sitting under a tree waiting
    for bannas to 2 fall

    the tree was not a bannana tree

    how can u fight that

    easy iniit

  • Comment number 72.

    69. kevseywevsey - Scary stuff, but sadly, it's all too easy to imagine how, given the money available, and the potential financial returns, across the Liberal-Democracies, 'Lights, Camera...., Democracy' is just the way it now is. That's what happens when one abandons 'ideology'. One gets Hollywood/Elstree :-(

  • Comment number 73.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8590120.stm

    'The two senior City professionals are believed to be Martyn Dodgson, a managing director in Deutsche Bank's corporate broking group, and Clive Roberts, the head of European sales trading at brokerage Exane - partly owned by BNP Paribas.

    Mr Dodgson joined Deutsche Bank from Lehman Brothers in October 2008, following the Lehman's collapse. He has also worked for Morgan Stanley and UBS, and was part of a team advising the Treasury on its stakes in the part-nationalised banks.'


    So people advising the Government bail out of the banks come under the finger of the FSA's insider trading ramped up activities.

  • Comment number 74.

    Watch Brown giving his pledges. Substitute 'lowish innate cognitive ability' for 'poor' i.e. lowish SES). Note what his policies actually promise to do? They promise to further dumb down the nation, thereby over-burdening/crippling Pubic Services. It doesn't matter whether the politicians themselves mean to do this or not. All that really matters is whether the empirical relations between these variables that I have explicated are sound. The data says they are. It is international data. This is why the USA, UK/EU are in trouble economically. The answer, sadly, is not The Conservatives or Lib-Dems. They will do essentially the same. They don't see this either. The pattern just breeds more undiscerning consumers/debtors...

    :-(

  • Comment number 75.

    @ Jaunty #68 - thanks for the link to Hamish MacDonald's interview. At least John Bolton is talking sense :o)
    Iran has already made threats......

  • Comment number 76.

    75. Mistress76uk '@ Jaunty #68 - thanks for the link to Hamish MacDonald's interview. At least John Bolton is talking sense :o)
    Iran has already made threats......'

    Interesting. Please explain how military action by Israel (population 7.4 million (only 75% Jewish) against Iran 74 million (and supported by most if the the Arab world and the SCO) can be a good thing, unless the objective is to massively further cull what little's left of Europeans?

  • Comment number 77.

    @ Statist #76 - President Barak Hussein Obama has not prevented Iran from developing its nuclear weapons, even after Ahmadinejad had stated he wanted to wipe Israel off the map. UN sanctions against Iran have been useless, and Obama could have, but failed to, target the Iranian energy sector with sanctions, therefore making foreign investors Iran. Will Obama slap banking and gas sanctions against them? Not likely.
    Don't worry - the EU would not be involved.....

  • Comment number 78.

    77. Mistress76uk @ Statist #76 - President Barack Hussein Obama has not prevented Iran from developing its nuclear weapons, even after Ahmadinejad had stated he wanted to wipe Israel off the map.

    Ahmadinejad did not say this. You must know this? What was said was about the removal of the state of Israel as political entity in the Middle East.

    'UN sanctions against Iran have been useless, and Obama could have, but failed to, target the Iranian energy sector with sanctions, therefore making foreign investors Iran. Will Obama slap banking and gas sanctions against them? Not likely.'

    Iran is a voluntary signatory of the NPT. Why isn't Israel??

  • Comment number 79.

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  • Comment number 81.

    Neat link ecolizzy #79

    All of the eco-fascists could be squealing like stuck pigs about this, can't have eastern European immigrants doing what they intended when society breaks down in the near future. That's why the eco-fascists are so keen to preserve wildfowl reserves in places like estuaries ( against true carbon emissions saving Severn Barrage etc ). They have already bought out all the original locals, even better if they can get a local wind farm to take over and deny power to the grid with their local " eco-militia " when the law no longer functions properly.

    It would appear that the electricity generating industry is doomed to end up like Railtrack did in 2000, not fit for purpose anymore. No sign of any significant change in prospective policy whoever wins the next general election. The trouble is that there is no distinctive leader in true British politics these days, some may claim to impersonate, but the BNP are a joke on environment policy in general.

    Yesterday have just finished an entire re-run of the 1970-80s drama When the Boat Comes In. Jack Ford ( the key character ) got shot dead whilst taking 500 rifles to the Spanish socialists during the civil war, Jessie and Billy Seaton were with them again, back to the original series 15 years on.

    It would appear that When The Boat Comes In and Jack Ford in particular are the blueprint for the New Labour ideological bedfellow. Perhaps the ideologically nearest Labour politician to Jack Ford is Peter Mandelson, who should have been leader in preference to Brown or more importantly Blair. Trouble is Mandy was always getting himself into deep trouble before he got made EU trade commissioner. It would be in the long term interest of our country if he ditched the peerage and got himself elected as a MP again, still plenty of safe seats. Like Attlee under Churchill, Mandy has been practically running the home government and deserves much of the credit for surviving the worst of recession. Trouble is it could be a double dip, the stock market is wildly overvalued and all it will take Greece having to call in the IMF to knock out the virtual keystone of the global economic arch plan.

    The Banks will back to square one, massive losses and therefore everyone will have to sell their mining shares. The biggest gamble at moment is whether or not to swap your traditional industry shares for alleged green or other extremely risky high tech stocks. If man made climate change is proved a total scam in the next five years, ( the cracks are already showing in the ice shelf of the eco-fascist quasi religion ) we will see the downfall of its political followers. We will have collectively wasted a fortune on unreliable wind farms which could be a pile of scrap metal within 15 years anyway, long before the loans are paid off so double bust stock market again whatever happens in the near future.

  • Comment number 82.

    '"This policy is well-known and will continue. Hamas and the other terror organizations need to know that they are the ones that are responsible for their own actions," Netanyahu said'

    Haaretz 28 March 2010

    Can a nation be classed as displaying a Personality Disorder through its collective policies? If so, it would seem Israel is a prime candidate. What is it responsible for?

    Is this not an adolescent, narcissistic, rogue nation, still purr-blind to its own provocative, petulant, entitlement and paranoia? It needs to mature, but can it? Is it scheduled for a breakdown?

  • Comment number 83.

    I was just half listening to David Cameron's waffle in his alleged Politics show " interview with the people " where I'm pretty sure that when asked a question about the number of immigrants started spewing rhetoric about how many people ( unfortunate enough to be on Incapacity Benefit ) are scrounger's unless they are as disabled as his late son. Cameron is obviously a Corporate Nazi at heart, if he gets elected all he is likely to do is continue to provide a virtual welfare state for his stock market parasite mates whilst dismantling what remains of our welfare state for the people hard won after WW2.

  • Comment number 84.

    83. brossen99 'Cameron is obviously a Corporate Nazi at heart, if he gets elected all he is likely to do is continue to provide a virtual welfare state for his stock market parasite mates whilst dismantling what remains of our welfare state for the people hard won after WW2.'

    Whatever we agree or disagree to call these people, we can agree that they're not the sorts of people to govern this country. They'll just continue with the status quo as you imply, and that's in a downwards spiral now. The problem is, perhaps with the exception of Vince Cable, who talks sense? One man alone just isn't enough, and the rest of his party are no hopers like the rest in other parties.

    There just isn't a credible alternative, and that, I fear is by design. Be are stuck with anarchistic Liberal-Democracy which is what some call 'benign neglect' (which one can see as a pragmatic effort to damp down politically inconvenient/incorrect group conflict which politicians could not actively manage). The problem is, except for the few who profit from dumbed down consumerism, for most, it's more a case of ongoing negligence than benevolence. Our current politicians' rhetoric depresses me (and I'm not at all inspired by anything said by the BNP), not just because of its opacity, but because I can see clearly where it really leads (see earlier comments on changing demographics and deteriorating infrastructure, which I imagine anyone over 40 can see?).

  • Comment number 85.

    In the IoS:

    'Last week Robert Grierson, a barrister, was selected to stand as a candidate for the BNP in Sutton Coldfield, Birmingham, where the Conservatives have a majority of more than 12,000. After his selection Mr Grierson was forced to resign from St Philips Chambers in Birmingham where he has worked as a tax barrister for 10 years. "I felt I had to stand up and take the flak I will no doubt get. This shows that the BNP is not a party of skinheads and knuckle-draggers," he said.'

    Yet did anybody really think that they were purely knuckle-draggers? No, just as the Nazis had very intelligent members that was not the concern.

    Mengele was very intelligent, though I gather the "science" that was practiced on the death camp inmates was very poor. It was the utter evil of the acts that was the concern and the fact that the victims were generally totally innocent of any crimes.

    Meanwhile The BNP's legal officer, Lee Barnes,

    ' claims the BNP has "won over" the white working class and that it is now time to use "propaganda" to reach out to a wider circle of voters.'

    This would be the party that has more hits on its website than all of the other political parties combined? They have won over the working class?

    What next - will we see this page being used by activists to feed their "propaganda" to a wider audience?

    Will there be very "intelligent" posters who suggest the Holocaust was "made up to put people off statism" by the victors of WWII and was done by people who were .... statists.

    Maybe they are not all knuckle-draggers (though the English Defence League would make a very good outlet for that category) but they are hardly coherent.

    Propaganda enslaves and education liberates.

  • Comment number 86.

    #84 statist

    "Our current politicians' rhetoric depresses me (and I'm not at all inspired by anything said by the BNP), not just because of its opacity, but because I can see clearly where it really leads (see earlier comments on changing demographics and deteriorating infrastructure, which I imagine anyone over 40 can see?)"

    On the one hand you claim not to be inspired by the BNP but then your comments on demographics and race are, like theirs, totally without scientific merit and thats why the BNP could not fight the EHRC in court over their racial membership policy and you witter on without any real substance.

    So given the other day you made comment about demographics and "that's why Hitler had to do what he did" I wonder whether any democratic party would be a natural home for your vote?

    Frankly would they want your vote?

  • Comment number 87.

    #82 statist

    As above people who read your posts should be aware of your views on Hitler, National Socialism, democracy and of course Jews.

    It helps with context.

    I probably don't even have to mention why.

  • Comment number 88.

    #81 brossen99

    "original locals" "immigrants" "squealing like stuck pigs "

    contrasts with

    "welfare state for the people hard won after WW2".

    Its worth mentioning that WWII was won against those evil Nazis with their bizarre racial notions that made them turn on their neighbours with such violence.

    As Voltaire said "if you can make people believe absurdities then you can make people commit atrocities" and the Nazis industrialised atrocity.

  • Comment number 89.

    #74 statist

    "All that really matters is whether the empirical relations between these variables that I have explicated are sound. "

    That might be where you are going wrong then?

    Your "explication" might be invalid - or whatever "invalid" is in your pretentious and flawed expression.

    When you used to post as jaded_jean you used to cite statistics that you felt proved there was no Holocaust and that there was a "Jewish hegemony".

    But these statistics will never show up in any academic journal and won't show up in any court will they?

  • Comment number 90.

    On Lee Barnes of the BNP again as in the IoS article 'BNP goes upmarket to target white middle class'

    '"But we must now also reach out [to] the children of the White Liberal Middle Class and White Tory Middle Class and explain to them how mass immigration, New Labour and Cameron's Tories and multiculturalism have betrayed them." '

    Firstly scroll up this page on most days and look at the anti-democratic rhetoric. I suspect that they have been trying and failing for a long time on that score.

    Then consider that the statist poster was proudly stressing the other day that Hitler was quite impressed by Lenin.

    Next consider that the Russians have just banned Mein Kampf as it held anti-Russian and anti-Jewish views - and the fact that 22 million Russians died at the hands of the Nazis.

    Then consider that many suspect Hitler simply stole some of Lenins ideological clothes as a way of justifying what was as Bertrand Russell suggests an ideology that was no more than a "replacement monarchy". Hitler used to keep a painting of Frederick the Great (a gay man) on his wall at all times.

    So the middle class would hardly have prospered under Lenin or under a replacement monarch who tended to shoot or gas any political opponent who didn't do what he wanted.

    They cite mass immigration as a problem but have no science to back up their absurd claims and their racial views are pure nonsense. Hence they cave to the EHRC as they know they cannot win the argument and resort to tribal prejudices via the back door.

    So are white middle class voters really going to vote for the BNP now that the "working class are won over"? Those of pure blood and where the women will stay home and so on.

    Its not that they have knuckles dragging on the ground but there is no coherence at all and its like listening to an adolescent teenager who is lying very badly when all of the evidence condemns them.

    I daresay there will be versions of "when the revolution comes" or those other favourites "running dog of the Jews" and almost everybody is "an anarchist and Trotskyite" in their world.

    But perhaps that's not in the script today.

    Remember that "the Holocaust was made up to put people off statism".

    When the moon is full and you hear the howling in the distance you know what it is ...

  • Comment number 91.

    #65 in response to my#39 ‘Our family research has shown many generations of Thames boatmen, and I will never accept that hordes of new-British can now be entitled to call themselves ENGLISH just out of a desire, or to force an impression of equality.’

    Go1(aka Mr cut-and-paste)
    “Well if they have the passport then that's quite silly as they are English and they don't have to force you to do anything as their rights are enshrined in legislation with regards to Equality.”

    Unfortunately no passport quotes one’s nationality as ‘English’ (an ethnic minority on it’s way to extinction) so we are all lumped together as ‘British’ with a European Union passport. Some years ago Darcus Howe was on TV regularly trying to argue a case that he (and immigrants of other ethnic groups) should be allowed to refer to themselves as English. A few short years ago that was considered risible.
    Now, with the connivance of other non-English persons the EHRC is using the 2011 UK Census as a vain attempt to conceal the massive differences that exist in cultures, beliefs and values in our overcrowded society. Due to our tolerance and complacency, they may well enshrine ‘Equality’ in legislation, but that will not Anglicise hordes of immigrants who do not, and never will, share English values.

    “Its also silly as you rattle on in essence about ethnicity but given there are no significant genetic differences between the races this is pure ignorance.”
    I refer you to my earlier response #94 at 3:27pm on 26 Mar.

    “Moreover the notion of English really already includes roots from Scandinavia, Germany, Rome, France and so on.”

    Most countries have accept settlers, including UK, but never before on the scale of the last decade e.g. 185,000 in 2009 (about which Brown attempted his usual deceit), nor has any other country been so eager to grant citizenship, and now in the 2011 UK Census we offer them the optional classification of ‘English’ as their nationality.

    It is your views that are risible, and repetitive. Try responding to many of the links supplied; they don’t mention Hitler, Holocaust, or fascism. Most point out the ethnic eclipsing of a land of lost content.

  • Comment number 92.

    91. indignantindegene 'Unfortunately no passport quotes one’s nationality as ‘English’ (an ethnic minority on it’s way to extinction) so we are all lumped together as ‘British’ with a European Union passport. Some years ago Darcus Howe was on TV regularly trying to argue a case that he (and immigrants of other ethnic groups) should be allowed to refer to themselves as English. A few short years ago that was considered risible.'

    What I think is worth repeating over and over again is the lack of awareness which manifest in the behaviour of some of those who migrate here. Whilst many Asians, Africans, Caribbeans etc clearly do adopt the indigenous values, and whilst I think the majority of indigenous Britons are quite happy with such migrants, it's those who assert that they have no wish to assimilate/integrate who appear to be the problem (I have a caveat there in respect to not wishing Muslims etc to give up sound family values for some of those amongst the indigenous 'liberated' population) as these essentially amount to invaders. The problem is that unless those migrating here do contribute to sustaining the culture which they asserted they wanted to be part of, with population trends being what they are, the nation will become more like the places they migrated from to the extent that they are not prevented from behaving the way they do.

    'It is your views that are risible, and repetitive. Try responding to many of the links supplied; they don’t mention Hitler, Holocaust, or fascism. Most point out the ethnic eclipsing of a land of lost content.'

    Enemies of the nation behave this way. Anarchists behave this way.

  • Comment number 93.

    Do the septics no what ur up 2 daring darling

    well they are dozy int they

    money 2 terrosists

    good stinking batman

  • Comment number 94.

    In the HuffPost - 'Who will tell the President"

    'From summer 2009, leading banks also exuded arrogance – insulting the president and generally carrying on in a high and mighty fashion. The abuse of power by our ever more powerful bankers became increasingly obvious – as did their lobbying (Neal Wolin, Deputy Treasury Secretary, said this week that “big banks and Wall Street financial firms” spend $1.4 million per day on “lobbying and campaign contributions”; and “there are four financial lobbyists for every member of Congress”; good speech).'

    $1.4 million per day and you could get a "cab for hire" over here for £3,000-5000.

    Should we wonder how much influence that could buy and also whether we should be ashamed that our boys and girls charge so little? Not only corrupt but incompetent.


  • Comment number 95.

    On the HuffPost article 'Who will tell the President'

    'Someone just needs to convince President Obama to call Senator Dodd (or meet again with Dodd and Barney Frank), to ask – politely but firmly – that the Volcker size cap on big banks be legislated, and actually tightened relative to the January proposal. The House already has the Kanjorski amendment, which is a step in the right direction.

    On Tuesday, Volcker will go public again. But that’s not the most important conversation. His public appearance is just a way to communicate more directly with the political side of the White House.'

    It is noticeable that the economic Messiah Gordon Brown - who could be considered to have contributed to this economic debacle with lax regulation - is not making any significant noises over here.

    Nor is Osborne and he has been targeted by those Labour glass house owners as "weak" on the economy.

    You can see why the Lib Dems and Vince Cable in particular are becoming more and more of an option despite the best efforts of the establishment.

    The ideologies that underpinned the Tories and Labour have been exposed and are not credible.

    All that stops natural change, improvement and replacement is the constitution and an electoral system that skews the vote.

    At the moment for instance the projections are Labour need 35,000 votes per seat and the Tories 44,000.

    Still there are those who are not prejudiced like Michael White of the Guardian for instance who does not want to see the Lords reformed by the wind vein Jack Straw.

    Volcker will tell the President indirectly on Tuesday but the problem at the moment for the British public is there is nobody credible to tell.

    When we ask "why could this not happen again?" its the Sound of Silence.

  • Comment number 96.

    Whers jj these days I do miss her call. Me a sex pest call me
    anything u like I do miss her sen eabilityz

  • Comment number 97.

    #92; does this mean you have no objections to a Jewish presence in UK?

  • Comment number 98.

    97. kashibeyaz '#92; does this mean you have no objections to a Jewish presence in UK?'

    None, so long as they don't foment anarchism in support their own selfish interests i.e at the expense of others. This goes for any politically active self-interested group claiming special status as a minority, i.e. wishing to live alone by its own rules and yet profit from the majority (through nepotism/networking i.e inequality) and its protected minority status. How could such behaviour not cause resentment? It's guaranteed to erode the host nation state even if only locally where the enclave settles. Today one sees this happening in many London boroughs with large ethnic groups. In the late C19th and early C20th it was largely only Jewish settlements. It caused trouble then, and it is now, except now we see one old minority group financially and politically benefiting from several new minority groups, all at the expense of the larger exclave. Do you not see this? The figures should make it obvious as they are disproportionate to what one would expect by chance ceteris paribus.

  • Comment number 99.

    97. kashibeyaz '#92; does this mean you have no objections to a Jewish presence in UK?'

    The problem, surely, is that throughout history, religions or sects have essentially been political movements. It's why many states have tried to separate 'church' and state, although, to the best of my knowledge, no state has ever done so very effectively. This is just one argument in favour of a one-party system of democracy, e.g. Democratic-Centralism. Predictably, anarchists (covertly always with a subgroup self-interested agenda) demonize these as dictatorships.

  • Comment number 100.

    Now I see what blair meant by, education,education,education, it was for overseas students, not just us.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8588779.stm

 

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