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Thursday 26 November 2009

Verity Murphy | 16:27 UK time, Thursday, 26 November 2009

Here is what is coming up on the programme:

After recent attacks on its size, power and profligacy we examine the future of the BBC. How big should it be? How should it be funded and can it survive in its current form?

Gavin has just returned from an interview with Director General Mark Thompson, who today announced that the BBC is to consider whether or not to close some of its digital television and radio services after the analogue TV signal is switched off in 2012.

We will also be speaking to the Culture Secretary Ben Bradshaw and his Conservative shadow, Jeremy Hunt.

Newsnight has commissioned an opinion poll which suggests that a majority of people think there should be more transparency about the salaries of the people working at the BBC - including the expenses and salaries of TV presenters, something that the BBC has so far resisted.

Read more on the poll findings here.

And David Grossman will be bringing us the latest from the Iraq Inquiry where the UK's former US ambassador said that in the build up to war "we found ourselves scrabbling for the smoking gun".

An important announcement from China too, ahead of the Copenhagen talks.

Join Gavin at 10.30pm on BBC Two.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    More yapping about themselves on NN tonight then, no mention of what is bothering 75 percent of the population...

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/

  • Comment number 2.

    #51

    Brightyangthing

    Intteresting items are promised for tonight's Newsnight, aren't they?

    Thank you for the info I asked you about earlier. Speaking of hands and arms, mine were up there on ice towards the lights most of the time. I didn't practice sit spins as such as I couldn't help gliding and twirling, including to Victoria de Los Angeles singing Heitor Villa Lobos' Bachianeria but the one sit spin that I did do was one of my best ones yet.

    I may have to watch tonigght's Newsnight on the iPlayer but will definitely watch most of it at some stage.

    mim

  • Comment number 3.

    'After recent attacks on its size, power and profligacy we examine the future of the BBC. How big should it be? How should it be funded and can it survive in its current form?'

    As a tax payer thing should just be news, debate some science and weather, rest can be online at massive reduction in cost.

    My view is that it should be online subscription with some elements free and addicted blogger's who contribute get a fee pass for a time so long as they toss out words with some meaning - I mean not spam and what not.

    It certainly can not and will not survive in its current form.

    however:

    'The revolution will not be televised'

    Good to read about the sit spin mim
    must be cold riding your bike, have a hat and goves?

  • Comment number 4.

    (Dear BBC censors- before you knee-jerkedly 'block' the below comment from posting- take a deep breath- and try reviewing it before sending me a drivel e-mail note saying that my comment has been removed as 'it may contain copywrited material'...)

    THE BBC's ANNUAL FUNDING OUGHT TO BE INCREASED WHILE SALARIES FOR PRESENTERS & OTHER EMPLOYEES ARE RESPONSIBLY RATIONALIZED

    THE BBC's GOVERNORS & ALL MAJOR UK POLITICAL PARTIES OUGHT TO BE DELIBERATING HOW THE BBC's FUNDING CAN BE INCREASED OVER THE LONG TERM: UNTILL THE RAPIDLY EVOLVING HIGH TECH/NEWS, ENTERTAINMENT, BUSINESS & HUMAN-INTEREST MEDIA-DELIVERY INDUSTRY STABILIZES, THE BBC CAN'T BE TOO BIG!!

    PART 1


    If the United Kingdom wants to remain a noticeable country on the world stage and participating as 'an equal member' of the world's most powerful & influential multi-national political, economic and military bodies- let alone a location that other countries' businesses/people want to do business with, set up businesses in- or lend money to- then the UK's constructive world-wide presence must be maintained and enhanced...

    One- comparitively highly cost-effective- way towards this objective is the UK maintaining and increasing its decades-old qualitative lead in news, business, human/social-interest and entertainment types of media*...

    (* media delivered via TV, Radio & more recently- through the Internet- via desk-top computer, lap-top computer, set-top box AND MOBILE PHONE/POCKET PC)...

    Unfortunately, the country's defacto 'world emissary'- the BBC- is at risk of being rendered 'UK-bound', neutered and gagged- due to unbelievably short-sighted long-term inadequate funding...

    Many of the BBC's best TV/Video programmes can't be accessed from overseas anymore...

    Its previously international-award winning web site has been being noticeably degraded for over 18 months... contradicting Labour's oft stated objective that it wants the country to lead the world in Internet technology...

    While the BBC's web site has been substantially dumbed down, its (previously) extensive resources of news, business, human interest & other information types- available in text, audio & video formats- have been significantly reduced both in scope & quality...

    The depth of web-site reporting has- viewed from over here in North America- been gutted while a large amount of the BBC's Internet-delivered TV programmes & TV channels have short sightedly been walled-off from 'outside of UK' access...

    As of about 5-months ago, overseas persons wanting to access the BBC's web site content are served material that is significantly inferior to what UK residents receive- and often with inane, tasteless commercials...

    Even the BBC's World Service radio stream does not work on mobile phones/pocket PC's anymore...

    What is constructive or 'good for UK business or international politics interests' in this situation?


    The BBC's world-leading quality radio stations and their respective programmes used to have comprehensive explanatory text on their individual web home pages- not any more: many of the new virtually blank web pages have none or counterproductively little text explaining individual programmes' topics...

    Apparently due to BBC staffers work-load issues, not infrequently 'daily BBC programmes' (such as "the world tonight" and "the world at one") web pages are not updated at all on the day of a programme and the streaming audio media or padcast of the respective day's programme remains unavailable until long into the following day or longer...

    This would not be so bad if the BBC iplayer would work outside of the UK so that overseas persons could still access the BBC's vastly superior TV/video format news, business, human interest, sports, arts and social-topic Internet-delivered media...

    But the BBC iplayer has been programmed deliberately to not fully-function outside the UK... so that the UK's best, world-beating TV/video programmes- such as Newsnight, Panorama, Click, FastTrack, HardTalk, Our World, Dateline London, Earth Report, Reporters and even the daily TV/video news broadcasts (like the 10 O'clock News)- are no longer viewable over the Internet from outside the UK...

    This would make sense, possibly, if overseas persons were enabled to pay for iplayer use, maybe in the form of a monthly, yearly or even a weekly 'subscription'... similar to what RealPlayer markets to potential customers for access to its 'premium' services...

    Instead of this, hugely counterproductive media-access walls are being erected around the UK...


    MP's, prospective MP's and political party members ought to be considering the above & deliberating whether a viable objective would be:

    1)
    getting rid of the clearly inadequate TV license method of funding the BBC &

    2) switching to an annual 'media tax' applicable to adult UK residents... with partial or full rebates available to low-income persons...

    SHORT revenue generating commercials could be inserted at the beginning of BBC TV programmes that are accessed via the Internet from overseas- as US stations like MSNBC and others do...

    MP's, prospective MP's and political party members also ought to be asking:

    - 'how can the UK most effectively advertise & promote itself in the coming decades??'

    Without the, for over 1/2 a century, world renowned and unrivaled, BBC- enabled to function at its best- the UK risks being written off as a 'useless', 'lost cause', 'not good investment location' by those observing from overseas....





    _________________
    Roderick V. Louis,
    Vancouver, BC, Canada

  • Comment number 5.

    (Dear BBC censors- before you knee-jerkedly 'block' the below comment from posting- take a deep breath- and try reviewing it before sending me a drivel e-mail note saying that my comment has been removed as 'it may contain copywrited material'...)


    THE BBC's GOVERNORS & ALL MAJOR UK POLITICAL PARTIES OUGHT TO BE DELIBERATING HOW THE BBC's FUNDING CAN BE INCREASED OVER THE LONG TERM: UNTILL THE RAPIDLY EVOLVING HIGH TECH/NEWS, ENTERTAINMENT, BUSINESS & HUMAN-INTEREST MEDIA-DELIVERY INDUSTRY STABILIZES, THE BBC CAN'T BE TOO BIG!!

    PART 2:



    Even when times are tough & finances at their grimmest- families & small businesses that have common sense 'keep up appearances' & make sure that the family's or business's outward facing facade remains stable & retains continuity...

    Why should these practices not apply to countries facing financial challenges, especially those with central roles on the world's most important political, economic & security structures- such as the UK?

    Making cuts & negative spending adjustments internal to the UK generally may be advisable & necessary during these challenging times....

    But, today's world economic situation calls for an expansion, not reduction, in national-institutions that are as fundamental to how the UK is perceived around the world as the BBC...

    To assist the City/ London retaining its title of 'world financial centre' there ought to be a UK based 24-hour business-news world TV channel- with its own designated Internet resources- accessible world-wide....


    The BBC's excellent business news reporting capabilities could be partnered with another quality UK Mark such as the Financial Times to fill this role ably.

    What is good for the UK or the world economy generally by the US's Bloomberg & CNBC continuing to monopolize the 24-hour world business news TV/video space??

    Until the world and UK economies stabilize & until the rapidly evolving Internet reaches at least a modicum of stasis, the BBC- particularly its Internet-accessible text, audio & video services- ought to be as liberally funded as is reasonably possible...

    Politicians, bureaucrats and others-effected ought to give their collective heads a shake and ask themselves what will be left for the UK to brag about & to enable it to 'stand apart from the rest of the world' in a useful, constructive, positive way- if the BBC is allowed to be destroyed due to inadequate long-term funding and its resulting incompetent long-term objective setting...

    A properly funded & resourced BBC should be enabled to compete globally and to function effectively as a first rate shop window for the UK- keeping the country in the forefront of the world's peoples, political leaders & business professionals/entrepreneurs minds...



    _________________
    Roderick V. Louis,
    Vancouver, BC, Canada

  • Comment number 6.

    Nos 5

    'Roderick V. Louis,
    Vancouver, BC, Canada'

    The freebie of the BBC for you lot at our expense is over matie. Just a matter of time.

    The general public have suffered, some a hell of a lot because of the nutters who sent us to war on a delusion, and removed regulation from the financial services for 10 years due to the drugged up promise of massive tax revenue running around their brains from wide boy bankers with their hands round our throats and put their by the nutters.

    Seriously reducing the BBC will alleviate some of the pain of the debt repayments on the rest of us for many years to come.

  • Comment number 7.

    (re-submitted, amended)


    THE BBC's ANNUAL FUNDING OUGHT TO BE INCREASED FOR AT LEAST 10-YEARS, WHILE SALARIES FOR PRESENTERS & OTHER EMPLOYEES ARE RESPONSIBLY RATIONALIZED...

    THE BBC's GOVERNORS & ALL MAJOR UK POLITICAL PARTIES OUGHT TO BE DELIBERATING HOW THE BBC's FUNDING CAN BE INCREASED OVER THE LONG TERM: UNTILL THE RAPIDLY EVOLVING HIGH TECH/NEWS, ENTERTAINMENT, BUSINESS & HUMAN-INTEREST MEDIA-DELIVERY INDUSTRY STABILIZES, THE BBC CAN'T BE TOO BIG!!

    PART 1:


    If the United Kingdom wants to remain a noticeable country on the world stage and participating as 'an equal member' of the world's most powerful & influential multi-national political, economic and military bodies- let alone a location that other countries' businesses/people want to do business with, set up businesses in- or lend money to- then the UK's constructive world-wide presence must be maintained and enhanced...

    One- comparitively highly cost-effective- way towards this objective is the UK maintaining and increasing its decades-old qualitative lead in news, business, human/social-interest and entertainment types of media*...

    (* media delivered via TV, Radio & more recently- through the Internet- via desk-top computer, lap-top computer, set-top box AND MOBILE PHONE/POCKET PC)...

    Unfortunately, the country's defacto 'world emissary'- the BBC- is at risk of being rendered 'UK-bound', neutered and gagged- due to unbelievably short-sighted long-term inadequate funding...

    Many of the BBC's best TV/Video programmes can't be accessed from overseas anymore...

    Its previously international-award winning web site has been being noticeably degraded for over 18 months... contradicting Labour's oft stated objective that it wants the country to lead the world in Internet technology...

    While the BBC's web site has been substantially dumbed down, its (previously) extensive resources of news, business, human interest & other information types- available in text, audio & video formats- have been significantly reduced both in scope & quality...

    The depth of web-site reporting has- viewed from over here in North America- been gutted while a large amount of the BBC's Internet-delivered TV programmes & TV channels have short sightedly been walled-off from 'outside of UK' access...

    As of about 5-months ago, overseas persons wanting to access the BBC's web site content are served material that is significantly inferior to what UK residents receive- and often with inane, tasteless commercials...

    Even the BBC's World Service radio stream does not work on mobile phones/pocket PC's anymore...

    What is constructive or 'good for UK business or international politics interests' in this situation?


    The BBC's world-leading quality radio stations and their respective programmes used to have comprehensive explanatory text on their individual web home pages- not any more: many of the new virtually blank web pages have none or counterproductively little text explaining individual programmes' topics...

    Apparently due to BBC staffers work-load issues, not infrequently 'daily BBC programmes' (such as "the world tonight" and "the world at one") web pages are not updated at all on the day of a programme and the streaming audio media or padcast of the respective day's programme remains unavailable until long into the following day or longer...

    This would not be so bad if the BBC iplayer would work outside of the UK so that overseas persons could still access the BBC's vastly superior TV/video format news, business, human interest, sports, arts and social-topic Internet-delivered media...

    But the BBC iplayer has been programmed deliberately to not fully-function outside the UK... so that the UK's best, world-beating TV/video programmes- such as Newsnight, Panorama, Click, FastTrack, HardTalk, Our World, Dateline London, Earth Report, Reporters and even the daily TV/video news broadcasts (like the 10 O'clock News)- are no longer viewable over the Internet from outside the UK...

    This would make sense, possibly, if overseas persons were enabled to pay for iplayer use, maybe in the form of a monthly, yearly or even a weekly 'subscription'... similar to what RealPlayer markets to potential customers for access to its 'premium' services...

    Instead of this, hugely counterproductive media-access walls are being erected around the UK...


    MP's, prospective MP's and political party members ought to be considering the above & deliberating whether a viable objective would be:

    1)
    getting rid of the clearly inadequate TV license method of funding the BBC &

    2) switching to an annual 'media tax' applicable to adult UK residents... with partial or full rebates available to low-income persons...

    SHORT revenue generating commercials could be inserted at the beginning of BBC TV programmes that are accessed via the Internet from overseas- as US stations like MSNBC and others do...

    MP's, prospective MP's and political party members also ought to be asking:

    - 'how can the UK most effectively advertise & promote itself in the coming decades??'

    Without the, for over 1/2 a century, world-renowned and unrivaled, BBC- enabled to function at its best- the UK risks being written off as a 'useless', 'lost cause', 'not good investment location' by those observing from overseas....



    _________________
    Roderick V. Louis,
    Vancouver, BC, Canada

  • Comment number 8.

    Re: #5 Mr R V Louis

    "To assist the City/ London retaining its title of 'world financial centre' there ought to be a UK based 24-hour business-news world TV channel- with its own designated Internet resources- accessible world-wide...."



    Don't know if anyone noticed or saw it's relevance China announced it would voluntarily reduce its carbon intensity.

    This though is the relationship between CO2 and GDP.

    The UK voluntarily did this with out assessment when it went from industrial economy. Steel works, factories making things to a post industrial service economy. Compare energy in running blast furnace to call centre.

    Now banking and financial services can give a low carbon intensity depending on how the audit is done.

    So China by saying they are voluntarily going for a low carbon intensity, could also be saying they are planning on becoming a global financial centre.

    Celtic Lion

  • Comment number 9.

    Streetphotobeing

    Thanks for the help, tried the

    http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/

    They aren't worth the phone call. They say helpline. It isn't it is an advice. All they tell you is what they already known. If you are being threatened by police etc etc then you have to go to the public service ombudsman etc.

    They don't give you any help or anything practical or assist or anything. The person who I spoke to was a right prickly jobsworth not a pleasant man. Just tell you what you have to do, that's all. They don't do anything about when you make a complaint the 'knock on the door night squad' turning up and threatening you and your family for doing it.

    Thanks anyway, will try the other options.

    Celtic Lion

    Celtic Lion

  • Comment number 10.

    Nos 9

    Sorry to read that, why will not one take you seriously ? But then if you look at this, gotta think were all in trouble no mater what your mental health situation:

    'BREAKING NEWS:

    Home secretary not to block Gary McKinnon being sent to US to answer hacking charges'

  • Comment number 11.

    THE BRITISH POLITICAN AND REPRESENTATIVE DE MOCK CRASS Y

    The primary concern is power (gain - hold) for party, even if not for self.

    The VERY able politician applies their ability to understanding all the parameters and data relating to a particular situation; becoming well placed to act skilfully thereby. They then apply themselves, equally assiduously, to re-shaping all that they know, and regurgitating it, modified, for our consumption, such that we are duped and their interests are served.

    This will become all too apparent as the Iraq Non-Trial wears out a year or two of memory and spleen, in arriving roughly where it started. If you thought the OJ trial was a farce - you ain't seen nothin' yet.
    OJ 'stopped the traffic' with a police escort. I rest my case.

  • Comment number 12.

    Why not roll two stories into one and highlight how awestruck the BBC and Newsnight were to the lies of Blair?

  • Comment number 13.

    "The Future of the BBC."

    Don't expect any pledge to end the far-left bias. Don't expect, any time soon, to be educated, informed and entertained about how the world is and not how the left wants it to be.

    Got my TV Licensing demand recently. Still haven't decided what to do with it.

  • Comment number 14.

    #3

    Streetphotobeing

    Is that all that you'd like to see Newsnight
    reduced to? Weather, a bit of 'science'& headlines? No in debth discussions thrashing different viewpoints out with Jeremy asking awkward or cheeky questions? Would you leave gimicks in and get rid of some of the fine imagery or imaginary ideas, something that Brightyagthinf spoke so brightly about earlier today? That would be a great loss, mefeels.

    Thank you for expressing your approval of me talking about my sit spins, however.

    I don't wear a hat but gloves yes and I do find cycling energising. I love it!

    mim

  • Comment number 15.

    It's coming up to 22 in the evening
    We have'n't heard for a while from the bright Brightyangthing
    Hope things are fine with this kind and perceptive person
    Tomorrow I'm back for more twirling and sit spinning potion

    mim


  • Comment number 16.

    Brightyangthing

    I'm in fact' at the Blue Moon
    But will push off soon
    Without a helmet but with my gloves on
    It's a pleasnt evening and i'm feeling warm

    mim

  • Comment number 17.

    #10 Streetphotobeing

    Its not that they don't take me seriously. They just don't help people they just give advice. Eg they say you can take them to the European Court of Human rights.

    I say "How you I do that?"

    They answer "You can do it yourself"

    Can't you assist me?

    No we don't do things like that

    So how do I find out about doing that?

    Oh there plenty of information about.

    Your still on your own, one person against a big bureaucratic system. No one can help you, apart from advising to contact/see/ do something else.

    Remember BYT has been quoting from Windmills of Your Mind: Round like a circle like an ever spinning wheel...

  • Comment number 18.

    Hope Barrie's enjoying the Holby City sketch. Edgy as a scalpel.

  • Comment number 19.

    A BBC presenter on a BBC channel, with two Ministers, [who make a fortune in taxes from the license fee]

    Discussing whether the BBC employees get paid too much?

    If it wasnt our money it would be funny.

    P1ss off............

  • Comment number 20.

    Tonight's Newsnight Symbolises Everything Wrong About the BBC

    Two politicians talking. Talking from within a narrow similar extremist view.

    The BBC is nothing more than a media extension of the Westminster cabal. It is stuck within the bubble without vision to look out side for new ideas and ways of doing.

  • Comment number 21.

    I actually welcomed this item and, for all the predictability of the content, was watching it until I had to avert my gaze to avoid throwing up from seasickness. What was all that nonsense with Peter Bazalgette's and David Elstein's segment? Shots taking from 1 to about 5 seconds before lurching on to the next one... Has your studio director not understood that if you increase visual distraction you decrease audio perception? It became unbearable and almost impossible to focus on what these contributors were saying. Did it do anything to add to clarity or comprehensibility - certainly not.(That's why action movies havd so little dialogue.) Oh, by the way, isn't it time to retire the cliche about comparing the DG's (or anyone else's) salary to that of the prime minister? What has that to do with the price of fish? It hsppens that the PM is very poorly paid - look at the 'league table' (another tired cliche) of what other major nations pay their PMs!

  • Comment number 22.

    As was obvious in the chatter after Mark Thompson had said his piece (people from channel 4 and 5 were talking about what the BBC should be in 10 years), the BBC doesn't pay it's camerapeople halfway enough. The camera was shaky, kept zooming in and out, focusing in and out and honestly a competent amateur could do a great deal better.

    I reckon the BBC should pay its camera and video cart people enough to cut out all that drossy photography and keep it sensible - on Newsnight at least. Can you imagine camerawork like that on Holby City that was featured in the programme. The culprits would be sacked!

  • Comment number 23.

    A SELF-SABOTAGE EXERCISE IN THE 'DIGITAL AGE'

    Tonight, Newsnight gave us 'fireworks'. Sound and blurry, costing a great deal, but signifying nothing - except waste. A blogger recently wrote of 'signal to noise ratio' - how apt!

    Mark Thompson spoke proudly of 'far fewer people' (delivering) 'great content in the digital age'. It would appear that most of the residue of staff, are adepts of 'never mind the quality, take in the show'.

    Fireworks burn money at a phenomenal rate and are sheer fantasia. The BBC, with Newsnight leading the charge, seems content to be a firework display.

    Post #21 above, would appear to have seen precisely what I saw (eyesore). This might be edgy, award-winning stuff, but so far as I am concerned, you can stuff it.

    Yesterday I asked what moves individuals of 'standing' to stand in a road, or with a Power Point diagram on their face, just for edgy TV. Now I must ask what calibre of TV presenter is prepared to be demeaned with psychedelia, while doing his piece to a demented camera?

    To quote Hancock: "You've all gone ravin' mad!"

  • Comment number 24.

    And this is why the NHS will eventually collapse...
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231150/Mapping-strain-NHS-243-sick-babies-treated-London-hospital-ward---just-18-mothers-born-UK.html

    we can't as a small country treat the entire world for free.

  • Comment number 25.

    The future of the BBC.

    It will be a very sad day in the history of this country when someone pulls the plug on the BBC.

    If I was a multi millionaire I would take NN to court for the misuse of the phrase ‘ best brains in British Television” or words to that effect.

    Peter Bazalgette? You have to be joking. He is to British Television what the iceberg was to the Titanic. He is the Godfather of cheap , mindless entertainment: 'Ready Steady Cook', 'Changing Rooms', 'Ground Force'. Not many Emmy's won there. No one in the freelance world really wanted to work for his company. It was a last choice option for many.

    It was interesting that you decided to direct the segments with the ‘two TV brains’ in an appallingly bad style guaranteed to get the audience reaching for the sick bags. Bad style over content. PB would have been proud of that.

    On the cut down of the BBC. I suspect that BBC 3 and Four will merge. Or as Thompson hinted could be moved online.

    Felstein mention HBO as a model to follow. HBO held a meeting when TV in the US started the charge on cheap mindless TV. HBO decided to hold its ground, stay with high production values and good writing, attracting talent like Pacino. They paid them cheap but gave them back end deals (ie share of the profits if their films made profit).

    I am not sure that would happen here. You would just get 780 episodes of ‘Strictly .....’, 9,000,000 episodes of Eastenders.
    I don’t think you would get ‘Band of Brothers’ (HBO).

    Channel Four as a model - we do not want to repeat what happened there. It stared well for the first ten years. Much admired by TV freelancers, a home from home for those of us who voluntary left the BBC in the ‘night of the long knives’ conducted by John Birt.

    Ch4 in time not only threw out the baby but also the bathtub, the sink was torn from the walls and the shaving mirror ditched also.

    I edited a programme about Stem Cells for CH4. It delivered the highest ever audience for a science programme. What was their reward? They scraped the entire science department. So, never believe the commercial world when they say we would keep a few BBC values on the channel. They don’t.

    @14 -
    As for the entry above: anyone who says they don’t get ten hours out of the BBC each week but continue to use its web site to post their own views doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously.

    Murdoch. Kicking the BBC every week is part of the fabric there. Why he is sitting up at night fretting about BBC web sites the really big boys who have clout, Global reach and money are quietly squirreling away in the main battle ground for all content providers, ‘Social networks’.

    Google single-handedly was to blame for the demise of CH4's advertising revenue. Google earn more from online advertising in the UK market alone than CH4 does. No one wants to advertise on TV now. 'Google Analytics' tells you who is looking at your online advert, what is their age and which city they live in. You can stipulate which cities your advert runs in, at what time, and target the age group of who reads your ad. TV advertising cannot do that.

    Twitter, Facebook, You Tube and Google will be the death of Murdoch’s empire not the BBC. It is no good attacking the BBC. The future is about ACCESS to CONTENT and USER GENERATED CONTENT. Murdoch has not adapted fast enough. While he moans about the BBC his own Roman Empire is burning to the ground. Very soon you will be able to watch You Tube directly on your TV.

    And finally the next time you hear someone moan about the license fee. Just remind them they pay for ITV every time they set foot in a supermarket, buy a car, a Mars Bar. Those companies have to get back their advertising budgets from someone.

    Ron Taylor (ex BBC).

  • Comment number 26.

    @14 - referred to a post on the previous blog.

  • Comment number 27.

    All the best, Brightyangthing, on your Birthday
    Soul fulfilment, happiness and health
    May sunshine continue enlighten your way
    To love as well as to wealth

    May your wit and humanity stay with you
    For a long length of the rest of your life
    Full of sharing and caring and might!

    mim

  • Comment number 28.

    #46

    jauntycyclist

    have you made a lot of money tonight out of your subscriptions?

    how much do you charge? - I may have a few more clients for you

    Madam Mim

  • Comment number 29.

    #28

    one more question for you, bubbles, in fact 2 in 1:

    how many of the NN bloggers are on your list and how many of the BBC staff, mewonders?

    Madam Mim

  • Comment number 30.

    To All those who care about a healthy state of affairs of and friendship within the Commonwealth, may I suggest the following link:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8382014.stm

    Madam Mim

  • Comment number 31.

    28 mim

    what?

    we haven't got a 46 yet in this thread.

    i have NO idea what you are talking about

    [again] :)

  • Comment number 32.

    It's a useful tool to have at one's disposal, don't you think Brightyangthing, to beat one's enemy at their own game?

    Once again, Happy Birthday

    mim

  • Comment number 33.

    #32 correction

    I should have said 'to have at one's disposal, /......./, to beat one's enemy with at their own game

    mim

  • Comment number 34.

    Oh thank you so much Mim. How sweet of you to note. I will carry those sentiments #27 and #32 with me as I take the day off today.

    You have a good day too - If you are at Queen's, hoping it is successful and joyful.

  • Comment number 35.

    #34

    Thank you in turn, Brightyangthing. It's another beautiful day down here and I'm sure I shall enjoy my bike ride through the streets of London and then ice skating once I've sorted a few more things this morning.

    mim

  • Comment number 36.

    Looks as though other media have picked up on my comment above of health tourism

    http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/is+this+birth+map+proof+of+aposhealth+tourismapos/3439397

    http://www.scottishsundayexpress.co.uk./posts/view/142711/Immigration-and-health-tourism-puts-pressure-on-Chelsea-and-Westminster-NHS-hospital

    When are we as a nation going to debate this problem. Our own people are denied life extending drugs, but anyone around the world can walk in and avail themselves of the best treatment in the country in London. Out here in the sticks, we still have to travel to London to get the treatment needed, but the funny thing is one often waits months for an appointment.

  • Comment number 37.

    Ecolizzy # 36 - what I find most bizarre about the story is that the NHS is so heavily reliant on staff from overseas. So we are now employing staff from overseas to treat health tourist at the expense of the UK taxpayer. On a related point, one of the issues which seems to get ignored in the immigration debate is the effect on the countries from which the migrant workers arrive of losing those workers. How can third world countries even attempt to provide decent health care systems if many of the doctors and nurses leave to work overseas. If the government is as concerned as it claims to be about the plight of the third world, should it be recruiting so many staff from these countries to work in our public sector?

  • Comment number 38.

    The Channel 5 dude's comments last night didn't seem to hold up to much.
    Is the reason why the BBC don't make dramas of the same quality as HBO really because people are on their back all the time? It's not because their commissioners lack the vision and believe to take a chance.
    His belief that the BBC could launch a premium sports channel if they went subscription really doesn't seem to be backed up by the experience of previous companies who've tried (hello to you ITV Sport and Setanta - oh, oh no you don't exist anymore).
    HBO have a hell of a lot more people who can subscribe to them than the BBC would as the US population is 4 times ours.
    Also I always end up wondering if those who praise HBO have ever actually watched the channel. The number of repeats is mind blowing they show each program about 4 times a week. We get to see their hits (and they do make a lot of hits) rather than their misses.

    I really don't understand why the BBC can't have a commercial and licence fee mix. BBC3 & BBC4 should have had advertising on them from the start.

  • Comment number 39.

    Ron Taylor #25

    "As for the entry above: anyone who says they don’t get ten hours out of the BBC each week but continue to use its web site to post their own views doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously."

    Could you explain the logic of that please? I (occasionally) use this blog in the vain hope that someone is listening. BBC TV is but a shadow of its former self. Everything is dumbing down to the level of a chattering cocktail party. Have you seen Breakfast News lately? Even Newsnight is angling for the awards and ratings now rather that delivering some gravitas as it used to. R4's Today is showing signs of going the same way. No - there is not 10 hours BBC in a week that engages me. And here is about the last place I can try to alert people to the shameful destruction of a once great institution.

    The rest of your post more or less agrees with me so I can't see why you take issue. You say yourself it's on the downhill slope to commercialisation.

    BTW I have spent my entire working life in the media, some years allied to TVS and then to Meridian so I do have an inkling of what goes on.

  • Comment number 40.

    was the camera operated by a child fascinated by all the buttons? even home movies are not as bad as that.

    a cynic might say the bad camera was meant to sabotage any non bbc voice by making it unwatchable and distracing from the words being said?

    all those who were involved in decision making for those pieces should be sacked and returned to 'the private sector' where, we are assured, they will no doubt make tens times as much?

    the tory confessed he believes in 'markets'. why does that false belief persist given the total failure of markets as the best arranger of a nation resources?

  • Comment number 41.

    iraq

    lord foulkes [ convicted of being drunk and disorderly 1993, claimed £45,000 over a period of two years for overnight subsistence to stay in a flat he had inherited] should remember we went to war on the basis of tittle tattle from the usual subjects?

    he is on the Policy Council for the labour friends of israel
    http://www.lfi.org.uk/who_we_are

    whose objectives are

    to maximize support for the State of Israel
    To influence the party’s Middle East policy.
    To liaise with Israeli politicians and government.
    To provide parliamentarians with briefing material for parliamentary debates, questions to ministers and public appearances.
    To rebut attacks on Israel in the media, Parliament and the party.
    To arrange and accompany Friends of Israel delegations to Israel.
    To keep in regular contact with the Embassy of Israel.

    why did he seem a bit hysterical over what the iraq inquiry might reveal?

  • Comment number 42.

    Mark Thompson didn't seem to acknowledge the very important difference between private and public concerns regards his and other BBC managers pay. WE are paying BY FORCE - its news and 'entertainment'. Its morally wrong ! He looked at it from his perspective and others (mostly UK Oxbridge elite) in relation to management in the private sector and not the rest of the public - massive mistake.

    Then he tells us about the BBC being used world wide, OK fine BUT why should we pay for it and not anyone else in the world ?

    Mim 14 - news, debate about news and issues that directly affect people in their life as well as world affairs, arts stuff - though it has to reflect a wider situation than the stuff Kirsty, Yentob and the critics think we should see and give value to. Science is about right (prob like to see a bit more on health) but less celeb presenters. Valuable people info needs to go online and I don't think the web stuff should be cut back as Thompson said. The problem with a lot of info online is how you present it in an easy usable accessible fashion so website design is important with lots of info. Good search engine is important as well as graphics thinking. Talk of other websites belonging to BBC OK yes get rid.

    BTW NN why did you have crappy camera work last night and silly flashing lights all over the place, why do you do that ? There was a time when you were doing visually clever work - careful camera movements in, then cutting to a wide shot and again slowing moving in. (good) Also using strong graphics/ photo work (not flashing lights nonsense) and relating this very well to the presenters - this is good work.

  • Comment number 43.

    Our postman? the home secetary is Posting Gary McKinnon to the Septics.

    Why ? he should be given a job as an anti hacker hacker.

    Brown Nosing Grovelling 2 the septics and or scared, I would say both.

    if they cant secure their own DOD networks thats their fault.

    Clarkson was right they are Starting 2 Breed with Vegshitables.


    Where's The Secret Documents? I gave them 2 A foreign looking chap who came in yesterday

  • Comment number 44.

    #25&#26

    Mr Taylor

    I've found your comments most interesting and enlightening and do not understand why mk2 should even dare to be so offensive. It might be worthwhile complaining even if one does find it difficult to obtain any sensible response from the BBC officials.

    mim

  • Comment number 45.

    #42

    Streetphotobeing

    Thanks for your response. Your comments here are a little more exhaustive but I'm not sure about your take on graphics. I have yet to watch last night's NN to see for myself what's going on.

    mim

  • Comment number 46.

    #37 nedafo2 Yes I agree, how dare we take trained people from poor countries, I'm very ashamed of that. If you are a skilled person and some hospital from the UK starts recruiting in your small town, and offers you as much money as you could dream of at home, of course they will leave and travel here! I think it's totally amoral of us. Think of how much it costs a poor country to train these doctors and nurses, and we come along and say oh we'll have ten of them, and a half a dozen of those, it disgusts me.

    What happened to all our trained doctors and nurses? I've read recently of thousands of our trained nurses can't find a job, I find that incredible, we are always told there is not enough of them!

    http://www.hc2d.co.uk/content.php?contentId=3384

    http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006-06-30/uk/unemployed_nurses.htm

    Having read this old news, it looks as though they must skip off to the US!

    The same with doctors labour told us they were training thousands more, I've been to a lot of hospitals lately, very few of them there, mainly Manglish spoken. I suppose after we've trained them here, they hop off around the world, wherever they are paid a fortune. Fancy £120,000p.a. not being enough for a GP!

    And as you say we are paying foreign people to treat foreign people at our expense.

  • Comment number 47.

    @45,
    Yes maybe I did jump the gun a little with my comment about NewFazerMk2.

    I still find it hard to believe that the BBC is so bad he/she does not engage with the channel for more than ten hours a week. Either through radio, web sites, or TV.

    NewFazerMk2: yes I take your comment on board. Of course, you are allowed to criticise the BBC even if you do only get ten hours a week from it.

    BTW - countries in Europe which can pick up the BBC Tv signal do contribute to the license fees.

    Regarding the bad camerawork. I think it was done on purpose to send up PB. That is the kind of style he championed.

    Money: Tv freelancers do not get TEN TIMES the BBC rate. It is around four times. Of course, in front of camera talent name their own price.

    ITV or any channel would give Jeremy Paxman an open cheque to get him on
    their channel.


  • Comment number 48.

    Ecolizzy #46

    Might it be that the NHS is being deliberately undermined by present policy? Could it be that as a result we will come to hate the NHS and its staff? That just might lead us to buy health insurance so we can go private and not have to suffer NHS treatment. Not long before the NHS is proclaimed defunct, broken up and and sold off. Thus another arm of the state is disabled and thus we lose another great institution.

    The government has declared war on its people.

  • Comment number 49.

    #48 Yes NF2 I agree, my son now 32 expects to be paying for health care in his life time, we already pay for all those little bits we used to get for free. Dental care, physiotherapy, eye tests, etc.etc.

    Much the same as the BBC, I can see that vanishing for the same reasons, it's undermining itself with it's lightweight programmes. On a recent straw poll amongst my family, we all struggle to find something interesting to watch, and that includes a 91 and 87 year old. The programmes always look like the light entertainment that ITV put on for years, and now the Beeb has gone down the same route.

    Oh and how can NN debate about the very company that employs them! The people on talking about the BBC have to be very careful what they pronounce on or they'll be unemployed as well.

    The trouble is NF2 we are getting old, no one remembers anymore what it was like to live here. I speak to young people, they don't know what I'm talking about, they only want to have a good time and many holidays and goods, they don't care how, or who's paying. They can't remember a time when we were English and had a stiff upper lip, now we're all quivering jellies! ; )

  • Comment number 50.

    #46 (and 36/37)

    That London Maternity ward's map showing Home Countries of Mothers yields the following analysis:

    Asian 59 (India and Pakistan 26); Africa 52; Americas 48; Other European 46; Australasia 20; UK 18. Of the 48 Americas 16 were from USA, probably those not having health insurance there. The government's recent NHS instruction to admit pregnant women, irrespective of whether or not they meet the 12 months UK residency rule, sends out a clear signal worldwide, that the IHS (International Health Service)welcomes free health tourism at out taxpayers' expense.

    The issue of the lack of employment for UK nurses bears out Labour's great lie (and the other major parties' apathy and complacency) on the 'immigration issue'. Most of their 'newly created' jobs not only went to immigrants, but were necessary to service the increased demands on public services CAUSED by massive immigration, legal and illegal. NHS's increased workload is only one aspect of this 'growth' about which Labour boasts.

    The shortage of jobs for trained UK care workers might be explained in my previous post on the so-called points system that has encouraged the setting up of training schools, many dubious, and the associated employment of foreign students on NVQ care training in care homes.
    In my experience many training schools and care homes are owned, managed and staffed by non-indigenent people. I have no way of knowing how many of these were born overseas or may even be here illegally, a matter on which I suspect the government is equally ignorant.

  • Comment number 51.

    Ron Taylor #47

    "NewFazerMk2: yes I take your comment on board. Of course, you are allowed to criticise the BBC even if you do only get ten hours a week from it."

    It's because I get less than ten hours a week that I feel moved to criticise! To my mind the Beeb sowed the seds of its demise in the 60s when it felt it was in competition with the commercial channels. It should have remained the public service channel it was intended to be. That is not to say it should be nothing but dreary public information films, the Beeb has done some wonderful stuff in its time. Both factual and drama. I completely agree with you that C4 was equally brilliant in its early years - just a sad memory now.

    Thanks for the pointer re the camera work. Yes, I see now. Very funny. :-)

  • Comment number 52.

    #49 ecolizzy
    " They can't remember a time when we were English and had a stiff upper lip, now we're all quivering jellies! ; )" Hence we are fed jellyvision!

  • Comment number 53.

    #50 The shortage of jobs for trained UK care workers might be explained in my previous post on the so-called points system that has encouraged the setting up of training schools, many dubious, and the associated employment of foreign students on NVQ care training in care homes.
    In my experience many training schools and care homes are owned, managed and staffed by non-indigenent people. I have no way of knowing how many of these were born overseas or may even be here illegally, a matter on which I suspect the government is equally ignorant.


    Yes Indi I've read your posts on the above, and agree with you. I've had experience of care homes from both sides. My young daughter has several friends who work in them and I hear what they have to say, Manglish being the common mode of speech! Urdu in the Alzheimers home.

    And I've had relatives stay in them, although the phillipino staff were wonderful, I can't remember which country your partner is from, but generally none of them had really poor care, just none of the carers understand little old english ladies! It's very difficult introducing multi culturalism to old people who are hard of hearing, and a bit confused.

    Love "jellyvision!"; )


  • Comment number 54.

    Mim - nos 45. Ten years ago I was asked to design some graphics to address the problem of how to deal with a lot of information on a website. I tried to simplify and use links on shapes with name's coming up on mouse-overs and staying there once moused over and each link taking the viewer to progressively more information.

    Just produced screen shots of some and uploaded them to flickr they are all 10 years old and were animated to show the design process and geometry that is used :

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/stopped_time/

    All are copyrighted along with my pix.

  • Comment number 55.

    Nos 54 - just to be clear copyright belongs to me.

  • Comment number 56.

    I DON'T FOLLOW (#25)

    "@14 -
    As for the entry above: anyone who says they don’t get ten hours out of the BBC each week but continue to use its web site to post their own views doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously."

    This is the NEWSNIGHT BLOG/FORUM. Newsnight is 4 X 45 mins plus 1 X 30.
    Is that 3.5 hours? And that is far from all good!

    Surely posting is thus fully justified? Whether ANYONE is taken seriously, surely, lies in their (manifest) competence, and cogency?

    Where is JJ?

  • Comment number 57.

    THAT COMPUTES (#47)

    "Regarding the bad camerawork. I think it was done on purpose to send up PB. That is the kind of style he championed."


    Did I not post that they are a bunch of juveniles having a ball? (Or was that the one the blogdog ate?)

 

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