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Thursday 18 June 2009

Len Freeman | 17:53 UK time, Thursday, 18 June 2009

Here's Kirsty Wark with details of Thursday's Newsnight

Publish and be damned!

MPs' expenses have finally gone online, but with a thick black line through most of the tantalising detail - and David Cameron coincidentally paid back £947 for repairs and mortgage payments today.

But MPs hadn't reckoned with David Grossman's x-ray eyes! Tonight he will be taking a peek at the files.

Plus, Downing Street has been forced to concede that some of the Iraq Inquiry could now be conducted in open session after all. Who knows what other changes the chairman Sir John Chilcot might institute now that the government appears to be saying that the conduct of the Inquiry is entirely in his hands?

The turmoil in Iran goes on and tonight we will have the latest from inside the country from our Tehran Correspondent. We will also have a fascinating insight into the powerplay in the country from two prominent Iranians - is Mir Hossein Mousavi simply a pawn in the power struggle between Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and Iran's spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei?

And now here is the weather for 2080.
The UK Climate Projections Report suggests summer temperatures could rise by up to 6C and there could be a fifth less rainfall. We'll be talking to the Environment Secretary Hilary Benn, but it seems to me a good argument for moving to Scotland...

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    Ah their still talking about 2080

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2009/06/thursday_11_june_2009.html

    Remember no talking about aggressive policies or fighting climate change and don't ever mention the word green

    "but it seems to me a good argument for moving to Scotland..."

    Oh ye'll tak' the high road An I'll tak' the low road
    And I'll be in scotland afore ye

    Celtic Lion


  • Comment number 2.

    "Plus, Downing Street has been forced to concede that some of the Iraq Inquiry could now be conducted in open session after all."

    Yes, 'evidence' will be taken from family of military, i.e. from 'witnesses' who conveniently don't know anything.

    "The UK Climate Projections Report suggests summer temperatures could rise by up to 6C and there could be a fifth less rainfall."

    Nice to see you use Benn's subjunctive (intensional) conditional. 'Could' is not truth-functional so is used by politicians and other spin-masters. It indicates something may or may not happen allowing the listender to draw inferences which the source can then deny. It is fanciful, it is mentalistic like thinking, believing , hoping etc. Sometimes BBC News today substituted 'will' for 'could' which is bad reporting. Science avoids intensional contexts for what should be obvious reasons. The science does not say it WILL be 40 degrees. Many people don't know the difference - which is very convenient for reporters and spin-doctors.

    The BBC must know this?

  • Comment number 3.

    It would appear that the lesson to be gleaned from today's censored publication of MP's expenses is that the more your MP has blanked out the more potentially corrupt they are likely to be. Even those who squealed about the Telegraph are not happy with the current status quo, more grim stories are likely to emerge from the full details.

    The Iraq war was started to save the stock market parasites, US airlines going bust so flood the market with plenty of government air freight / passenger contracts. Of course King Corporate Nazi Blair could not resist joining in, even before the war started the Dow Jones went up 50 points every time we bombed Iraq.

    As for alleged climate change the met office despite their electronic technology can't even forecast the next week accurately and refuse to consider what the sun spot watchers have to say. It is pretty clear that whatever happens we are likely to benefit as a nation from a national grid for water. One pipeline from Kielder to London ( even the Romans could do this without expensive pumps ), one pipeline from the Lake District intersecting in Yorkshire. Perhaps south east companies like Thames Water could pay for the work from their obscene profits, a mass employment scheme the whole country would benefit from.

  • Comment number 4.

    2080 No

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2009/06/thursday_11_june_2009.html81455922

    Newsnight why are you bothering with climate change now? The Government were told more about climate change in 2001 than you can ever report here. They were also supplied with all the solutions to climate change and all other environmental planetary challenges. This would have also put £50 billion pa into the UK economy. Hence no financial problems here now.

    http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ecodome/

    The Government agree that there is nothing facyuallu incorrect with the above paragraph.

    When I contacted you about this in 2001. By letter and email you completely ignored me. As a public service braodcaster why did you think all the solutions to climate change and an extra £50 billion pa to the UK economy was not of any interst to the British public.

    Why 8 years later are you interviewing politicians on this and not experts. It is highly likely Benn will only be quoting some of my work anyway. Ever heard the phrase engineer and oily rag.

    Ah the political/media London bubble?

    Celtic Lion

  • Comment number 5.

    The same corrupt MP's who are still keep trying to hide the true extent of their dishonesty are the very same people who are peddling all this climate change stuff designed to tax us and no doubt enrich themselves even further. I smell a rat.

  • Comment number 6.

    Simon_987 #5

    Perhaps its more than coincidence that one of the proven most bent MP's was Elliot Morley, a former vocal environment minister. Likewise I believe that the Telegraph had something nasty on the current Tory shadow environment main spokesman who's name escapes me.

  • Comment number 7.

    #2 JJ

    In the UNEP IPCC there are certain words which relate to the probability of certain events. Words like likely or highly likely, though appearing to be natural language. Do, in respect of the probability of the climate models, do have truth function attributed to them. (different percentages of statistical probability are attached specifically to different words). Though I doubt many members of the public and many journalists will realise this. Even politicians.

    I read a number of works by Schnider around 1980/1. If you are not familiar with him. This link may prove interesting to you.

    http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Mediarology/MediarologyFrameset.html

    I have spoken to some of the most senior BBC climate journalists. I can't seem to get any sense out of them or speak any sense to them. There is a communication barrier.

    I spoke to a Newsnight researcher/producer some months back. They didn't want to hear my side, but somehow assumed they knew they what I was going to say. Without listening to me or entering into conversation or communication. To arrive at a situation where we both understood each others perspective. The producer started saying you are wrong you are wrong and don't understand the subject, getting really agitated. They proceeded to tell me why I was wrong. I realised as they had not listened to me, they had not understood what I wanted to say. Had some misconception in their head about what they thought I believed. So the thing they were telling me I was wrong about existed entirely in their own head.

    I realised what they were trying to correct me on was nothing to do what I thought. So I said no I don't think that.

    He erupted in a hissy fit saying if you don't want me to tell you why you are wrong I don't want to speak to you. Then slammed the phone down.

    This was a Newsnight producer. I don't really think I have ever spoken to someone as rude, arrogant, incapable of taken on another persons view as this person ever.

    This was a Newsnight producer who should be listening objectively. But as they 'imagined' I thought something else, which they considered wrong. They shot off on some emotional, slamming phone down, hissy fit.

    You might think it unbelievable but it is true. Do you understand a little more why the media cannot assess important subjects effectively or in a broad way.

    Celtic Lion

  • Comment number 8.

    Brossen 99

    I believe it is easier to predict long term events than short term. It is like when you first do technical drawing. When shown how to draw a line the points to be joined should be as far apart as possible to give greater accuracy for the line.

    Short term oscillation from the norm etc are averaged out over a long term projection.

    The Government appears to be concerned with climate change yet have just bribed members of the public to throw away perfectly good cars with our money.

    The Government wants to increase consumption to grow the economy so we/ the planet can pay back the bankers the money they have lost. Increasing consumption will crash the already over strained ecological systems of the planet. Extinction of all higher life forms. One paragraph and no mention of climate change.

    Celtic Lion

  • Comment number 9.

    KCL #4

    I was quite interested in your failed petition but perhaps if you had been an NGO they would have allowed it. Of course groups like Friends of the Earth sold out to the Corporate Nazi's in the 1980s, I don't remember them ever batting an eyelid about the miners loosing their jobs. All the emphasis was on reducing SO4 to save the forests in eastern Europe, apparently the introduced technology did the trick, also less need to mine gypsum these days.

    The best and only way we can protect our environment is to place a ban on consumer credit for anything not capable of lasting 30 years. We could revolutionise the motor industry, buy a new car and hand it onto your kids when they were old enough to drive.

    Go back to the 1930s, plenty of examples of how high the engineering standard was, but make it with modern tooling and anything could last a lifetime. You would only need to buy it once but that is not to say that you can't send it back to the manufacturer and made as good as new every 7 years. On the bright side that although pointless and destructive hydrogen new small city car points the way to go with family electric cars, just lease it all in from the manufacturer. If its any good then at some time you could by it outright, like with many of the older council houses.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8103106.stm

  • Comment number 10.

    Stuff framed in a box
    addiction puff puff fry eye
    my line
    drawn to
    the freshly squeezed time
    quicklime burnt n talked dry
    thirsty for the last lick
    click me a lick
    for my
    dare to your stare
    lass

  • Comment number 11.

    Kirsty

    We here in Scotland would like to thank you for using an impending global disaster, to advise your metro sexual politico/city/media bubble friends to move here and inflate our house prices so the indigenous people have to migrate elsewhere.

    Please remember if impending disaster occurs it will be due to your metro sexual politico/city/media bubble friends with their fashionable high consumption life styles flying everywhere gobbling up the planet.

    Not due to us who try to live as we have done for years and centuries in some balance with the planet. Despite your metro sexual politico/city/media bubble friends trying to convince us we need to consume more just to increase their income so they can consume more.

    I thank you

    Celtic Lion

    To address a balance could I ask them to watch The Day After Tomorrow. We are not too far south of Braemar. Please remember those images of helicopters dropping out of the sky as the fuel lines froze.

    Increasing temperatures could melt the polar ice cap, which could dilute the ocean, which could reduce the haline-salt contribution to the circulation of the north Atlantic drift, which could shut it down, which could reduce temperatures here.

    (JJ I know I am using the word could)

  • Comment number 12.

    KingCleticLion (#7) "In the UNEP IPCC there are certain words which relate to the probability of certain events. Words like likely or highly likely, though appearing to be natural language. Do, in respect of the probability of the climate models, do have truth function attributed to them. (different percentages of statistical probability are attached specifically to different words). Though I doubt many members of the public and many journalists will realise this. Even politicians."

    I'm afraid the public has been massively lied to in lots of areas over recent times. It wasn't just TV conning them, repoprts are written to persuade the public rather than inform. That they have been told they can trust politicians is outrageous.

    The IPCC reports appear to be largely creative writing. More accutately, they appear to me to be pseudo-science designed to fox a public which is entirely ignorant of the language of risk assesment/statistics (a field which I know quite well).

    I fear much the same has been done in finance. It's like recent adverts - the language of science is abused to impress the unwary. It all stinks of PR makeovers. Sadly, there are lots of 'scientists' these days who will sell out like this.

    Risk assessments have construction samples and validation samples. This only works well when one has good control over variables. The algorithms are then used on new cases with a probability of success, meaning x/y are right, i.e. risk assessments refer back to prior reference classes. The IPCC reports read to me like PR rhetoric, i.e. like politics, not science.

  • Comment number 13.

    With the fuss still rolling on about MP's expenses can any-one tell me who introduced this system of enhancing their pay? Just how long have they been exploiting the tax payer?

  • Comment number 14.

    #9 Brossen 99

    Fully agree.

    I entered the competition to run the Dome. Got shortlisted. I didn't have the money. JLL wanted to put up or find the venture capital.

    There were many sources of potential income. JLL had a global real estate management portfolio. As part of this they knew the increased insurance costs for example sea front property in Miami, increased hurricane damage.

    They wanted to supply the finance and the project team to work with me. By predicting and preventing, knowing of or mitigating potential natural disasters. A main customer would be the re-insurance industry with a market potential of £100s billions per year.

    Before the Dome winner was announced I got a very embarrassed phone call from JLL. Newsnight, the BBC the media all knew that there was a project shortlisted for the Dome that would be worth £50 billion per year.

    For some reason the BBC, Newsnight, media didn't want to tell the public this. They reported the AEG bid, Duke of Westminster etc. But not the one who should have won on the competition criteria.

    Transparency and unbiased reporting? Try telling the above to a BBC news producer even though you have all the documents and evidence to support what you say and you get #7. You don't get shortlisted to run a £50 bn pa project without an extensive document trail!

    Just an addition to your point on hydrogen cars. The public are being conned. Hydrogen fuel cells should be considered a battery not a fuel.

    To get the hydrogen you either have to strip natural gas CH4. Which results in the oxidisation of carbon CO2

    Or you have to use electrolysis to obtain the hydrogen. The chemists here will explain better. To break the bonds to produce hydrogen you have to put energy in.

    When you recombine the hydrogen with oxygen to produce water. You can only get the same energy out as you put in. Thermodynamics. But you must then factor in the process losses due to inefficiency and the transport etc cost of moving the hydrogen.

    Hydrogen as in hydrogen fuel cell is nothing more than a battery. You still have to have a primary fuel or energy source to produce it.Hydrogen is nothing more than another way of moving energy about. As in charging a battery from the mains of a house. Then carrying it somewhere eg battery lawnmower then using it.


    Celtic Lion

  • Comment number 15.

    I like to watch Newsnight occasionally, when I think there is likely to be something of interest to me. I would probably watch it more frequently if it were not for the discourtesy shown to your interviewees with your frequent rude interuptions. It is ugly, unseemly and uncomfortable and not welcome in my living room.
    I do not single out Kirsty for this comment, it applies generally to all your presenters and might be thought of as a program style.
    Obviously, I don't like it.

  • Comment number 16.

    Blears

    the local party might support her out of misguided loyalty but will the voters? seems a suicide strategy by Labour not to get someone else in?

  • Comment number 17.

    REALPLAYER & 'WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER' PLAYBACK OPTIONS REMOVED FROM PIVOTAL INTERNATIONAL-NEWS-TOPIC BBC TV PROGRAMMES' SUCH AS NEWSNIGHT, PANORAMA & HARDtalk's WEB PAGES- WHY???

    If persons outside-of-the-United Kingdom remain impeded from accessing the BBC's exemplary TV (video format) coverage of the current Iran issues & other important coming world events through the BBC's web sight- this can not benefit anyone: news event participants; politicians; civil servants; or especially- the UK's trade interests...

    Until several weeks ago BBC video/TV-format programmes such as HARDtalk, Newsnight, Daily Politics, This Week, Working Lunch, Fast:track, Click, News at Six, News at Ten (& more) used to have links on their web pages that said 'view this programme on Realplayer or Windows Media Player'...

    Gradually these links have been eliminated, leaving potential international viewers who wanted to view these programmes with only the option of clicking on the BBC iplayer link on these programmes' web pages...

    The BBC iplayer has been set up to be non-working for video/TV programmes from locations outside the UK....

    The result of the removal of the- for over half a decade available- option (for outside UK persons) of viewing BBC video/TV programmes using Real Player or Windows Media Player is a situation where UK citizens who are overseas; ex-pats; & others- are counter-productively impeded from doing this..

    Why was this decision made?

    Why haven't there been any announcements by the BBC on its web pages about the removal of Realplayer and Windows Media Player options for outside-of-the-UK persons to view BBC video/TV programmes??

    If cost is a factor, perhaps using the MSNBC Internet model as a straw horse for the BBC's formulating of policies & practices re accessibility of its video/TV programmes by outside-of-the-UK persons could be useful...

    MSNBC puts SHORT revenue-generating commercials SHOWN ONLY AT THE BEGINNING of its video/TV programmes (and news-clips) that are accessible through the Internet...

    It stands to reason that the more accessible to persons based outside-of-the-UK that the BBC's world leading radio, TV and text-based products are, the better for the UK & its foreign-policy/trade relationships abroad...

    What productive sense can there be for the United Kingdom in significantly reducing the availability of core-products of the UK's defacto "international goodwill ambassador"- the BBC- at any time, let alone during today's international-strife (Iraq/Afghanistan/radicalized Islam) & economic turmoil ridden world??

    (And during extensive world media-delivery change, which may see many of the BBC's competitors going out of business)??


    Roderick V. Louis,
    Vancouver, B.C., Canada,

  • Comment number 18.

    EUGENICISTS, GLOBAL WARMING RESEARCH AND TOTO

    What I would like to know is why Anthropogenic Global Warming and dubiously derivative statements from wizards like 'speedboat Benn' yesterday get so much attention whilst reports like this and a stream of pre-supporting posts to these blogs over several years gets absolutely no coverage at all.

    We know how little MPs can be trusted to tell the truth from this recent expenses fiasco. Note, it's not the ACA itself, but the fact that they tried to present matters differently from how they truly are.

    It is not the trivial cost to the publioc, it's the mass deception which people are tacitly angry about. People are angry because it logically means that all else that they read and hear from their so-called leaders MUST NOT BE TAKEN AT FACE VALUE. All their talk of transparency is therefore egregious subterfuge. One can almost hear them laughing at the public's gullibility as they deceive them. That's the message being sent out.

    Toto has well and truly pulled back the curtain. The Dorothys have told the wizards they are truly bad persons. What now?

    As to what's been said here at length from a number of posters, is it because the founders of modern statistics, biometrics and risk assessment were eugenicists (see also Pearson, Spearman, Keynes) or does one have to have visible status in order to state anything recognisably true and worth taking seriously/sharing? If the latter is the case, we now live in FANTASY/CELEBRITY UK, not a rational country anymore. We are not in Kansas.

    Perhaps that thought alone might prompt some at Newsnight to consider just how much the media has bought into the great lie which barrie keeps referring to, as it will, in the end, devour Newsnight itself I predict.

    Some of us have warned you for some time about this. For free too.

  • Comment number 19.

    SPEEDBOAT BENN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (#18)

    Oh JJ! Brvoooooooooooooooooooooo!

    How do you make a landlubber-wally look like an even greater wally. . .
    Do you remember Blair boating among the wind turbines? And Dave doing a few unsteady metres on a dog sled? I bet Toto does skate-boarding for the cameras.

    Your post would make a perfect text for discussion in the next 'hour' to be thrust onto our schools. But what to call it? Perhaps something with 1984 overtones?

    THE VACUOUS HOUR?

  • Comment number 20.

    THE OLD ORDER CHANGETH (#17)

    I think the BBC you refer to has passed away, yielding to competitive 'edgy' 'son et lumiere' spangled dross. But then - now I ponder my next sentence - that would make it the perfect SHOW CASE for Britain in her demented decline.

    The BBC no longer has a heart - hence no one can be listening there - to the few Britons left who have cogency and gravitas. You make a sound point MrRvLouis, ergo you will not register on the BBC edgyscope.



  • Comment number 21.

    Iran
    kirsty got distracted by her wimmin issues. People are not protesting for change for wimmin but because they reckon their vote has been nobbled? Why is kirsty going off on some wimmin tangent and forgetting this is about vote counting. it just seems like indulgent soapboxing? the usual 'western' vices?

    Expenses.
    let others drill down itno MP's expenses. the story has become increasingly petty sock sniffing. It's not corruption seen in other parts of the world. our mps are saints compared to them? still if flogging a dead horse is entertainment...

    climate clangers

    projections? these guys can't tell what the weather will be next week.
    apparently although the area i live in has never been flooded in history a few years ago they put out new maps saying it was. the insurance company then, no doubt delighted, said its a flood zone and so its going to cost more to insure. which kind of tells me whose is driving this.

  • Comment number 22.

    17

    all bbc on the net should be behind a login screen so valid licence payers only anywhere they are could watch.

    the bbc won't do this because they have an agenda to jedi mind trick people into licence feeing access to the internet like it was a tv.

    by freely publishing on the net the bbc can smother any attempt by anyone else to put up the same service.

    it is an abuse of the licence fee and anti competitive to make bbc output free on the net. it should be behind a login in screen.

  • Comment number 23.

    RIGHT ON CUE (further to #20)

    BBC Radio 4 is offering, as I type, "The Horses of Spindles Farm". They have been mixing harrowing tales of animal cruelty with jolly songs.

    QED

  • Comment number 24.

    Can someone Pat Patrick O Fyinn on the back for Expressing himself in an Article more than 2 days ago. Was He Right or was He Right?

    He Was More than Right.

    T.F.I. F. F.F. 2day

  • Comment number 25.

    bookhimdano (#21) "Iran
    kirsty got distracted by her wimmin issues. People are not protesting for change for wimmin but because they reckon their vote has been nobbled? Why is kirsty going off on some wimmin tangent and forgetting this is about vote counting. it just seems like indulgent soapboxing? the usual 'western' vices?"


    Had the woman from Paris been secretly fed a magic mushroom bagette by the Iranian secret police before she went on air?

  • Comment number 26.

    CL

    In case you missed it.

  • Comment number 27.

    #11 kingcelticlion

    "..and inflate our house prices so the indigenous people have to migrate elsewhere..."

    The East Europeans that you worked with in the fields and who migrated here - and you showed such kindness to - would be wounded. I assumed from your colourful account yesterday that they had a special name for you like "Dances With Badgers" as a mark of respect.

    I expect your top secret work did not involve so much work with East Europeans - though given the data losses the MOD has experienced nothing would surprise me. Still you did have contact with Nobel prize winners.

    One of your other accounts was of spending your youth with your head in a rock pool. Did you come up for air now and again?

    Also yesterday you revealed that you had spent time in Belfast - where the Romany women were attacked. Having a good rep with the police (telling them the Tay would flood and your Secret Sam work) did you get in touch?

    Knowing about race "realism" and eugenics and the far right and East Europeans that puts you in a good position to help.

    Can you pilot flying pigs - is that how you travel to Belfast?

  • Comment number 28.

    OK now down to education for the Cult of the Latter Day Haw Haws.

    You will have watched The Incredible Human Journey and seen how science, not rabied political theorists, shows that races are genetically very close.

    In fact there is greater genetic variation within a race than between races.

    So there is no mscientific basis for race "realism" or whatever buzz word you use to replace the Hitler-ite policy.

    Von Bruun (American Friend of the BNP)killed a man at a Holocaust memorial in the US and when you look at his record and rantings and then at this page when the far right posters have been busy - on most days - and they are very similar. He hates Jews and went to prison for trying to kidnap some people from the Fed I believe.

    Fortunately the BNP and guns don't go - Griffin lost an eye to a shotgun cartridge in a fire.

    Also you obviously saw that there was a piece on climate change and that 99% of scientists in the field agree, on the basis of cumulative thousands of years of research, that climate change is happening due to human impact.

    Of course the far right posters on this page can offer barriesingleton (did a bit of R&D) and kingcelticlion (deals with Nobel prize winners for fun when he is not in the fields).

  • Comment number 29.

    Could Clegg recommend Heather Brooke for an award of some sort?

    Ideally something without an 'E' for Empire as she is a sensible American I believe and its a shame to still have such names.

    Surely she deserves recognition.

  • Comment number 30.

    Does McBride sleep with the fishes?

    Will he ever go to the House of Commons committee who want to discuss the email smear plan and if not what does that say about Gordon, innocence, openness and transparency?

  • Comment number 31.

    thegangofone (#28) "So there is no mscientific basis for race "realism" or whatever buzz word you use to replace the Hitler-ite policy."

    I have already explained to you why the UNESCO 1950 document was wrong, and that the main author (like all but two authors), was Jewish (as are Lewontin, Gould, Kamin and Rose and most of the critics of IQ and race). They were/are politically motivated (this is well documented). All of the above were/are technically wrong. Their behaviour services others in favour of free-market anarchism.

    An appreciation of racial diversity is very important for disease risk assessment. Propagating the nonsense which you post is therefore detrimental to people's health.

    Links have all been provided for you before. That you persist in posting material which is evidently false should concern you.

    Your anti-Hitlerism is also political. It just serves to deter the rise of state socialism. It is done largely via fear and abuse, i.e stories which are either fabricated or are exagerations of acts of war just unfortunately happen in all wars, even ones waged by the UK and USA.

    Your posts are written in the same style.

  • Comment number 32.

    Go1

    Posts, shoots self in foot and leaves. (With apologies to Lynne Truss.)

    What do you get out of all this abuse? Who are you sucking up to? Why don't you stick around and give those you insult a chance to engage in debate? Is it because you are to be an unpleasant little coward perhaps?

  • Comment number 33.

    NewFazer (#32) If thegangofone seriously thinks that people posting here are malevolent and wish harm upon minority groups, his anger would then be explainable, even justifiable. However, since I do not believe that is at all the motive of any posters here, I think it's worth trying to get him to pay attention to why his views are ill-conceived. That is never an easy task. He does npt think there is a difference betweeen racism and race-realism. It's like someone not believing there to be a difference between breeds of dogs and their calling anyone who does, a 'dogist'. To clearly understand this point requires one to understand some basic concepts of probability theory which lie at the very heart of genetics and behavioural science.

  • Comment number 34.

    IS THIS A NEWSNIGHT COMP? (#32)

    "Posts, shoots self in foot and leaves. (With apologies to Lynne Truss.)"

    My entry (hope I'm in time)is: POSTS, FENCES, AND PALES.

    Was I edgy enough - did I win?

  • Comment number 35.

    #27 GO1

    It's good job you were not in the French resistence. "I will say this only once"

    So just for you again

    Here is my post from yesterday. Other people have read it. Please read it. I have never been to Belfast. I have never been to Belfast I have never been to Belfast. I have never been to Belfast

    #32 Go1

    You are still doing it. Why will you not accept advice and stop wasting your own time. People may be laughing at you.

    You have wasted a post

    "I take it from your comments that you have never been to belfast."

    In my post 22 I quoted and replied to Cookieducker post 12. I referenced that comment.

    So read post #12 above. (now yesterday)

    Now your posts #29 and #32 are directed at Cookieducker not me. So rewrite them to cookieducker.

    I have never been to Belfast. It was cookieducker who was born there.

    Posters before have advised you before how this mentality of attacking Paediatricians instead of paedophiles because people don't read.

    The logical extension of your actions is the dragging of innocent people out of their homes, because you got the wrong person. You have just put a clear and obvious example of your 'blind' hostility.

    Are you now going to apologise to me for getting me mixed up with cookieducker. Thousands of people who read and follow this blog have seen that you have made a mistake. You have confused me with someone else.

    Are you going to apologise to them for your mistake? Many of them are waiting. Sorry is the word they are waiting for.


    Celtic Lion

  • Comment number 36.

    barrie (#34) Speaking of fences and pales, here's something on The Chosen Ones and their genetics by a Chosen One at the AEI. It's a few years old, but it should highlight to many here just how odd some of the reactions to this subject are here whilst it's openly discussed in the USA (and even Israel).

    thegangofone, please note, and if possible, please try to learn.

    In passing, it seems some poor Iranian official has been called into the Foreign Office and told that his Supreme Leader's assertion that the British Government is 'evil' is unacceptable. I thought our government had pretty much accepted that the population here also considers them 'evil' especially in the wake of the expenses scandal where we have seen that what they say and what they do are quite different. Surely one can't blame the Iranian Supreme Leader for picking up on what has been constantly on our TV screens for months, and that's not even touching on the deregulation which led to the Credit Crunch. The BBC has reported that the FCO has asserted that it was unacceptable because there was no evidence (that Britain has interfered in Iran). It doesn't really add up as I've seen seen it, especially given the BBC coverage of post-election events in Iran.

  • Comment number 37.

    Go1,various. Like several other posters with genuine views to express, I prefer to ignore Go1's inane repetitive babblings, as he is unwilling (probably incapable)of reform. However, just for the record, I am more indigenent than many (coming from many traced generations of Thames Boatmen and Lightermen); have no love of Hitler (who triggered my country into a justified war on my 7th birthday, that killed 2 of my young uncles); am not a racist (my career was in developing countries); and I'm married to a Filipino (they all speak English and are the world's finest nurses and carers, which is more important to me than IQ); and I have friends of many colours and faiths.
    However,I remain opposed to the decade of continued mass immigration to this small island, being concerned at the resulting overcrowding and effects of importing alien and extreme cultures, that will never become assimilated, but continue to cause strife. I do visit Migration Watch and BNP website for items of fact that are (deliberately)not made readily available on the websites of any other political party or most of the media, and I don't deny the deaths of many jews, and other faiths, during WW2.

    Whereas my boyhood heroes were Jacques Cousteau and Antoine de Saint-Exupery (inspiring me respectively to found the largest overseas branch of British Sub-Aqua Club, and to become a pilot and Director of South Pacific Aero Clubs) my current hero is Daniel Barremboim, who though an Israeli citizen, formed an orchestra of young Jewish and Arab musicians and vehemently criticises Israeli foreign policy. There is a person who has a depth of feeling for music and humanity that transcends politics and power.

    Perhaps Newsnight could look further afield for their panel members and debate the single most important reason for global warming, swine flu, greed in high places, and many other ills of this century, with worse to come for UK particularly - human population control: truly the elephant in the room.

  • Comment number 38.

    #37 Indignantindegene

    Go1,various. Like several other posters with genuine views to express, I prefer to ignore Go1's inane repetitive babblings, as he is unwilling (probably incapable)of reform

    Totally agree

    However,I remain opposed to the decade of continued mass immigration to this small island, being concerned at the resulting overcrowding and effects of importing alien and extreme cultures, that will never become assimilated, but continue to cause strife. I do visit Migration Watch and BNP website for items of fact that are (deliberately)not made readily available on the websites of any other political party or most of the media, and I don't deny the deaths of many jews, and other faiths, during WW2.

    Totally agree

    Perhaps Newsnight could look further afield for their panel members and debate the single most important reason for global warming, swine flu, greed in high places, and many other ills of this century, with worse to come for UK particularly - human population control: truly the elephant in the room

    Totally agree. : )


  • Comment number 39.

    #37 indignantindegene

    Nows there is a coincidence. Go1 repeatedly likes to mock me when I revealed as a toddler I used to spend my time with my head in rock pools. This though did have a follow on. Cousteau's programmes were on the TV. This wasn't enough. I found his books in the library. Unfortunately I couldn't read.

    So I had to learn to read. To read Cousteau was my motivation. I have to assume that you are someone who didn't just watch the programmes, but also read the books.

    This was were I first learnt my ecology. I remember as if yesterday his descriptions of trophic pyramids and food chains in the oceans. I remember attending infant school. When we came through the main door was the library. In pride of place was a new book. It was dark blue edged. With a picture of a Tsunami wave breaking from left to right on the front cover. It was either called The Oceans or The Seas. I think it was a Time Life or similar publication. The teacher said I couldn't have it as the library was only for children who had passed their reading scheme.

    In class I was called up to read to the teacher at her desk. Dick and Dora. Polished that, then Peter and Jane. Gabbled my way through in one session.

    "Have I finished my reading scheme" I asked. Yes said teacher.

    Bang I crashed through the double swing doors of the classroom and grabbed my prize.

    If you are an aficionado of Cousteau you might recognise one of my most significant images from my childhood. Cousteau was synonymous with vivid teaming with life photography. The image that stirred me was one of a sterile desolation seabed devoid of all life in the Med, I think. Caused by pollution and dumping.

    I was only a small child, and since know more. Probably not that much more in reality. This is why I challenge constantly the obsession with climate change, and constantly post that it is the collapse of the planet's ecological life support systems that is the danger, and one not being addressed.

    I do take your point about increasing human population. But a few posts back you referred to the 'rat experiment'. There was no point me replying to it. Because I knew that you knew where it would lead.

    Childhood heroes: Cousteau, Galileo and Jim Lovell (Apollo 8 and 13). Add Thunderbirds International rescue and you get the petition link in #4 above. Then my reply to Brossen 99 #14.

    I still believe in what I thought age 6 and 7. Go1 can ridicule me but Galileo would not retract what he believed to be true. And without Galileo there would be no Jim Lovell.

    Celtic Lion

  • Comment number 40.

    BBC NEWS EDITOR's ILLOGICAL, TRADE-FOOLISH 'RESPONSE' TO # 17, ABOVE:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/changes_to_international_pages_1.html

    "... On a problem raised by "mikedbrit" of not being able to access video that was available before, via the audio/video section on the UK version of the site: unfortunately, we are unable to use the licence fee to fund distribution of full programmes in high-quality video to international users (we do of course offer many news clips across all sections, as well as live coverage during special events), or to sustain the existing narrowband offering that some of you may have been accessing. This means that the narrowband access- in particular to the One, Six and Ten O'Clock news bulletins- is being withdrawn..."

    If the UK walls its best news, social & human-interest media-products off from accessibility by the outside world- will this be good for the UK's future foreign policy and trade interests??

    Roderick V. Louis
    Vancouver, BC, Canada,

  • Comment number 41.

    CREDIBILITY GAP (#36)

    What hacks me of about 'us', is that we trumpet our superior ethics while exercising diabolical omnipotence (with help from Uncle Sam). It is the GAP BETWEEN THE TWO, that I measure us by. Might it be that others do the same?

    I find countries that are openly and honestly unpleasant, easier to countenance than British, covert, cultural corruption and world-posturing hypocrisy. The Great White Queen, whom we imprinted on gunboatless foreigners, is long gone, but the great black lie still lives in the heart of our self-aggrandising mythology.

  • Comment number 42.

    KingCelticLion (#39) "Nows there is a coincidence. Go1 repeatedly likes to mock me when I revealed as a toddler I used to spend my time with my head in rock pools."

    It's classic bullying behaviour. I hate to use that word again, but we do have an endemic. It's pathological narcissism. Study the behaviour well. It's symptomatic of low self-esteem, but don't take pity. That's fatal - they'll rage at that, as it's taken as a put-down. Exactly what they do to others. It's all about an unresolved sense of who they are vs others. They tend to confuse the two and who is who.

  • Comment number 43.

    go1: can you read posts fully before you go on your usual attack; you have me confused with King Celtic.

    Tis i , the Belfast born boy raised in Oasis/New Order city with a hammer of the English 13th century Scottish freedom fighter moniker.

    Here's one for yer: when the BNP 2 euro seat win is ever mentioned, commentators always stress the fact that the BNP vote never actually went up, rather the labour voter abstained.

    13.5 million voted in the 1997 general election for labour then 10.5 at the next general eletion and the final election it was 9.5 million...interesting figures don't you think go1!!!.. i wonder how Labour will do at the 2010 election? will your fears come true?

  • Comment number 44.

    HANSARD 1919

    It couldn't be any clearer could it?

  • Comment number 45.

    And just in case anyone doesn't believe that the original Bolsheviks were used by the Germans to get Russia out of the war (something which cost many allied lives on the Western Front), see here. This was one of the reasons why Parliament played down the Jewish nature of the original anarchists/Bolsheviks at the time, i.e they were clearly worried about possible reprisals against British and other West European Jews at home given the loss of British, French etc soldiers lives as a consequence of the Jewish Bolsheviks actions. In the late 20s and throughout the 1930s, Stalin purged the party (and COMINTERN) of the original Jewish Bolsheviks. Did some of them find a home in the USA and elsewhere to continue their self-interested anarchistic free-market anti-statism?

 

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