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Newsnight & Newsnight Review: Friday, 17 April, 2009

ADMIN USE ONLY | 17:48 UK time, Friday, 17 April 2009

Here's Kirsty with what's on in this evening's programmes:

On Newsnight tonight, more problems for the Metropolitan Police after the G20 protests as a police officer is interviewed under caution for manslaughter. A second post-mortem on Ian Tomlinson has revealed he died from an abdominal haemorrhage. The first had said he died of heart attack. We'll assess the impact of all this.

And where does this leave the Home Secretary? After a week where her credibility has been questioned, Michael Crick has been to Jacqui Smith's marginal constituency to gather reaction - we'll debate her future in the studio, and you can read about Michael's afternoon in Redditch here.

And have you illegally downloaded music films or computer games? Do you have a rough cut of the new X Men film before it's even released? Beware! It could cost you your freedom and a lot of money. In a landmark case a Swedish court has convicted four men who founded the file-sharing website Pirate Bay of breaking copyright law. They were sentenced to a year in prison and ordered to pay more than $3.5m to entertainment companies. So is this an indication they CAN hold the torrent back?

On Newsnight Review Michael Portillo, Ian Hislop and Clemency Burton Hill will be discussing the relationship between politicians and their advisers, and politicians and the fourth estate in two very timely films.  Interestingly, both started life as TV dramas, and both transpose the action from Westminster... to Washington.

In The Loop is the movie of the cult political satire The Thick of It, in which the fabulous Peter Capaldi reprises his role as Malcolm Tucker, an aggressive, slightly out of control man who swears in every sentence.  The plot centres around the desire of the Prime Minister and the US President to embark on a war on the basis of a dodgy dossier. I spoke to writer Armando Iannucci who explained that he had, of course, planted Damian McBride in Downing Street as a sleeper primed to erupt this week and provide a blaze of free publicity for the film.  

Then we'll be talking about State of Play, a Hollywood version of Paul Abbott's brilliant six part BBC drama which makes the venality and corruption of In The Loop look like CBeebies.  The role of Cal McCaffrey, played by John Sim in the original TV series, was due to be played by Brad Pitt who pulled out at the last minute, leaving the way for director Kevin MacDonald to pull in Russell Crowe. These films follow the long tradition of British political satire - from Alan B'stard to House of Cards, and according to the Communities Secretary they fuel "an anti-politics culture". Hazel Blears asked why no one has made a British West Wing. Perhaps this week has given her the answer. We'll be talking about how to dish up politics.
 
And then we'll be discussing the international classical music phenomenon that is the Simon Bolivar Youth Orchestra in residence at London's Royal Festival Hall this week with a series of recitals, talks, open rehearsals and two blockbuster concerts. Cellist and composer Zoe Martlew will be joining us to talk about the Venezuelan orchestra born out of the unique  El Sistema programme. A quarter of a million mainly poor children are taught musical instruments and then they join one of hundreds of youth orchestras. Their composer, the 28-year-old Gustavo Dudamel is a product of El Sistema and is an international star in his own right.  What can Britain learn from Venezuela when it comes to music education?
 
So do join us tonight at 10.30pm, BBC Two. You know you want to.

Kirsty.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    Clemency Burton Hill is seriously high cotton and possibly the best person Newsnight could wish for. Can't the BBC make her anchor of a political / arts program on the lines of Panorama or The Brains Trust? Now that would make it worth paying the license fee. What a babe. No doubt some PC censor will cut this remarque.

  • Comment number 2.

    art imitating life? The Loop says everything about Iraq with a bit of comedy thrown in and it exposes Alistair Campbell in every frame..

  • Comment number 3.

    "Beware! It could cost you your freedom"

    I'm no Joshua Rosenberg, but copyright infringement in the UK is a civil offence, not a criminal one (unless carried out for profit).

    http://www.website-law.co.uk/resources/website-copyright.html

    I would have thought a factual programme such as Newsnight would be above the scare tactics regularly employed by the content industry.

  • Comment number 4.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 5.

    I had just come back from seeing 'In the Loop' and was surprised by the lukewarm reception from everyone but Ian Hislop. It's fabulous and very much needed - these 'sons of Alastair ' need to be laughed at and ridiculed.

  • Comment number 6.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 7.

    I didn't think much of Clemency Burton Hill's comment that the British people were too rich and spoilt to appreciate an education.

    Perhaps it applies to Ms Burton Hill, but such a random smear aimed at the audience was boorish, biased and untrue. I don't think I'll bother with her contributions if I come across her in future.

    Hislop and Portillo were good value as always. When was Clare Short last on? Ever?

  • Comment number 8.

    CO2 'POLLUTION'

    Once again the BBC managed to peddle a story with un-censored propaganda from a sad minority of activists that run the EPA in America that have deemed CO2 a "pollutant".

    The BBC and the Newsnight teams are running these junk science stories without any counter balance and are failing to voice the views of the people (over 60% of the Great British public does not believe this garbage) or science (the vast majority of world scientists do not believe this junk science).

    I can only assume this 100% bias day after day, year after year, is wilfull?

    In which case if the BBC wishes to not represent the majority voice of both the public and an issue on science it should firstly give up insisting the license fee is paid by legal enforcement and go its own way.

    And your BBC science correspondant Susan Watts has echoed President Obamas wish to "return science to its rightful place". Even if Ms Watts or the BBC wishes to ignore as they do the voice of the majority of the worlds scientists at least respect science who's very mind-set is based on sceptacism until the debate is settled (which given 34,000 scientists plus don't you can give up the pretence the "debate is over" and "the science is settled").

    If the BBC wishes to continue to not represent the people, the majority of scientists and the science itself with at least some integrity and fairness/balance then revoke the license fee and stop pretending you represent anyone but the cabal of editors etc that oppress the truth and true representation.

    The online community already think the BBC's name has been deeply tarnished and the BBC on many issues is little more than a propaganda trumpet. Your reputation is already on the line and being battered and it will not recover (I suspect your viewing figures are in terminal decline like the rest of the bias leftie media).

    Your decline will accelerate as a source that cannot be trusted or respected for balance and as a source of truth

  • Comment number 9.

    Police actions during the G20 were carefully planned. Some aggressive tactics were used, some hiding of police identity was purposely done. Who planned and authorised this behaviour? The chief of the metropolitan police, the mayor of London, the Home Secretary, or the Prime Minister? It must have been one or more of those. Will we ever find out who was responsible?

    Kirsty was wearing a surgical gown, why? Michael Portillo did not impress with his reviews, I don't think you should invite him on again. Ian Hislop is good, but the best guest is Tom Paulin, haven't seen him for a while, please have him on again soon.




  • Comment number 10.

    AND THERE'S MORE (#8)

    Thanks Spanner. I made the point about the odd US terminology that you spotted too. Mine is being chewed.

    No idea what the Blogdog took exception to. Ho hum.

  • Comment number 11.

    The colossal irony of the argument between newspapers (old media) versus the new media, is that, now, more than ever, despite what the new media can offer, newspapers are desperately needed. With the 'intellectual demographics' of Great Britain having worsened to such an extent, owing to the virtual collapse of the state education system, that the mainstream broadcast news media chases a younger and younger audience, that is less and less inclined to have any interest in the wider world (bar their immediate sphere of friends) and the new media (online) fills itself with far more ill-informed arguments than incisive opinions, we certainly need the well-researched and in-depth analysis and commentary of newspapers.

    It’s beyond me, though, how you 'square' the need of a dwindling educated section of society with the 'circle' of an increasingly illiterate population. However, the British newspaper industry stands a far better chance, than that of other nations, of achieving it, as the public are more receptive or 'less complaining' than they once were.

    We couldn't ever produce a British version of "The West Wing", as it would be wholly unbelievable to the target audience. It would be absurd to see local councillors or back-bench MPs - even Cabinet MPs - fiercely arguing their case for a change in a law, as we know power resides- overwhelmingly, in Brussels - the home of our true masters. Our parliamentary democracy has been virtually emasculated. What power the public or ordinary MPs can still exercise, rarely comes to anything, owing to the ceaseless erosion of democracy by Brussels and 'quango' government. I’m surprised Mr. Hislop didn't mention this.

  • Comment number 12.

    Barrie S,

    The EPA in America has a history of 'terminology' but that's only the half of it.

    The EPA do not represent the enviroment and with this news they've in effect declared war on humanity, animals and all plant life. Namely the EPA are, as their history shows, an extremist body who uses democratic provess toratchet their beliefs (not science) over the majority.

    The EPA's obsessive history includes junk science against smoking but a US judge found their 'science' was fabricated and dishonest.

    And the EPA were born on the back of the ban on pesticide DDT in the 60's, making the entirely faliscous claims it was a danger to humans and wildlife (mainly birds). 50 years on there has been no evidence of their propaganda (birds were even spoon fed 2,000 normal doses without any effect). The result of the DDT ban was 50-100 million unneccessary human deaths worldwide from Maleria. The ban was only lifted a few years ago.

    CO2 is not "pollution". The EPA are enviromental and social pollutants and the biggest danger to humanity on the planet. It's about time the BBC grew up and wises up as they're being party to another scandal which will break worldwide very shortly by my estimate.

    The BBC cannot keep the lid on this as they have done for years now blogging has taken off (McBride/Brown scandal) and bloggers are so clued up they take apart any lack of integrity in a matter of hours. Times are a changing. The BBC needs to change, fast, or it's going to be toast in a matter of months not years

  • Comment number 13.

    Strugglingtostaycalm,

    You're right the EU/EC make all our laws. 85% according to German research and we must assume the same here as our Govt refuse to produce the statistics (you can see from our Govt debt levels Brown is er, mathematically challanged and a bit of a retard!).

    But don't think Westminster is "emasculated" or Joe Public for that matter. The British public has not given Europe any mandate or any democratic consent so the EU/EC has no legitimacy in Britain whatsoever. Labour can sign away our sovereigty and renage on another manifesto promise as much as they like but without the publics permission/mandate the great 2 fingered salute has more legitimacy in Europe than their laws do here

  • Comment number 14.

    BREATHTAKING STUFF AND NONSENSE

    Spanner7337 (#8) "In which case if the BBC wishes to not represent the majority voice of both the public and an issue on science it should firstly give up insisting the license fee is paid by legal enforcement and go its own way."

    Something's wrong that's for sure, but we've brought it on ourselves, alas. It seems to me that Newsnight no longer caters for anything remotely 'elitist' (e.g. intelligent), as that's politically incorrect (and bad marketing?) to be selective. Instead, the target audience now seems to be 'normal' people who like lots of emotion, drama, graphics, speculation, 'debate' etc. :-(

  • Comment number 15.

    Jaded Jean,

    You're a 'full time' regular/fixture on Newsnights Blog so excuse me for interupting your flow. Regards "breathtaking nonsense" I didn't manage to glean from your slightly obscure post precisely what you were refering too!

    You do say "Newsnight no longer caters to the elitist/intelligent... as that's un-PC... target seems to be normal people who likes lost of emotion.."

    The truth is the BBC and Newsnight itself is 'lost in space' with a cobwebbed, creaking space ship lost in the rectal examination of the insidious Westminster bubble using invited guests that amount to cronies of that system (Harriet Harman, spent old Tories etc).

    You say the BBC are "targeting normal people". How would the BBC know, they never speak to 'normal' people? Every guest, every report, is a conveyor belt of cronies in and around the Westminster bubble. Eveery 'expert' is a minority interest pressure group. here's 2 examples;

    BBC ran a story on various programmes about kids teeth and dental decline. Cue a 'expert' that represented the Flouridation od water pressure groups. Under the pretence of a scare stroy a minority pressure group plugged Flouride which is carcinaogenic and contrary to 'whitening' kids teedh is a proven yellower.

    BBC peddles scare stories followed by tawdry pressure groups with a 'solution to sell' like a tawdry clearing house for propaganda of 'avid' minorities (exactly what Westminster has become). People do not get a look in. The BBC has zero interest in viewers or anything outside its comfort zone, the bubble of Parliamentary politics and minority groups casually sprinkled with the latest shooting to support the growth in the police while crime has declined 30% (here and worldwide) to justify their ever more useless existence (the police and BBC).

    My second and best example was the recent slaughter of Labour at the Council elections. The coverage was a complete vacuous bubble of politcians, political cronies and BBC political 'experts'. But in a days coverage the BBC did not venture outside once into the real world. Their self-serving Westminster political bubble was not pricked once by the people so they spent the entire talking circles within circles without once finding out why the slaughter of Labour occured!

    We had politicians and cronies talking in a vaccum of what they thought the problem was. But the BBC could not confirm it as it never ventured/bothered/dared to ask citizens their opnion and why they voted as they did. By 3am David Dimbleby was so sick of interviewing one Labour sickophant after another saying "we must lkisten, we must change.... we must really listen to voters... we promise to go back to our constituencies and listen... we will listen... this is a wake up call, we'll listen" that he lost his rag bless him and said "I'm fed of you saying you'll 'listen', what are you going to DO?!!"

    But Dimbleby didn't get it. You can't DO anything until you LISTEN. And neither Labour nor the BBC had listened why Labour was slaughtered. And to this day BBC has still no idea. Labours day of slaughter is unexplained by the BBC and so its issues have not been on its agenda. Instead BBC carries on ignorant of the truth and continues to be plugged into the politics of an ever more irrelvant Westminster bubble of a Labour Govt that does not listen to anybody but avid minority interest groups which is how it governs.

    The BBC on all manner of subjects is in an insidious politcal bubble and competely cut off from the electorate. It's Daily Politics programme is a tiny bubble and Newsnight is another tiny bubble (as last nights programme demonstrated with croney guests). It's coverage of climate science is also an extremist minority group based on science that lies outside the bounds of science but only exists as a political movement of croney scientists, dishonest politicians peddling tax and control policies.

  • Comment number 16.

    Is Clemency Burton-Hill the most annoying newsnight review guest ever -- or what! The girl is so insufferably and unaccountably pleased with herself yet didn't have an interesting or original thought to share all evening. Please spare us from her in the future.

  • Comment number 17.

    Spanner7337 (#15) "Regards "breathtaking nonsense" I didn't manage to glean from your slightly obscure post precisely what you were refering too!"

    Alas, most of what is covered on Newsnight appears to be political nonsense these days. The title link was just a light-hearted endorsement of your CO2 point, not an appraisal of your contribution ;-)

    "You say the BBC are "targeting normal people". How would the BBC know, they never speak to 'normal' people?"

    Have you not seen Frank Luntz? He has twiddle-boxes where samples of normal people show what they like and don't like. I suspect/fear he may be used for purposes other than what we are shown.

    I meant normal in the Gaussian, (2/3) sense. I fear we have an ever more dumbed down population, so Newsnight (and BBC2 in general?) now 'targets' this demographic in pursuit of market share. If they don't get the ratings....?
    It also seems to target 'women's' interests more than men's.

    "Every guest, every report, is a conveyor belt of cronies in and around the Westminster bubble. Eveery 'expert' is a minority interest pressure group."

    Yes, it does seem that way. It's also quite disconcerting that their affiliations are rarely if ever spelled out. The effect is to push a particular message. I am not entirely sure they are aware of just how much this is done and how it favours the interests of one particular group. Some of the presenters (Esler, Sopel) are quite fair-handed, but it's the airtime given to start with which goes un-noticed and un-criticised by most.

    Keep up the good work...but err moderate it a bit? ;-)

  • Comment number 18.

    Onlyfreemembername,

    Clemency was just another 'in the bubble' Westminster wannabee. A typical BBC guest that wants 'in' with the click of irrelevance Westminster and the BBC has become. Her only saving grace is she was far more pleasant to look at than the usual cronies the BBc invite on.

    The BBC'sprogrammes have become 'in the click' Westminster cronies talking about the navels of what is happening at Westminster.

    At no point does this sub-prime bubble of vacuous political naval gazing get pricked by anything that's happening in the country and what real people think.

    As mentioned above I watched Labours slaughter at the Council Elections until 3am and not once did the BBC have a clue why people voted as they did. It was possibly the worst day in political coverage in the history of British broadcasting.

    Totally irrelevant to the voters and why they voted Labour out as they did. Instead we had a constant stream of Labour, Tory and Liberal politcians making party political points with even more cronies and BBC political 'experts' pontificating on every matter of Westminster gossip... but zero on how the landslide occured.

    It was like watching an earthquake where the journalists and camera crew spend their time gossiping in the coffee shop totally cut off to what was happening.

    Just has Labour has cut itself off from all the majorities in this country by abusing them because it is being lobbied and listens too avid extremist minority interest lobbyists (health and enviro freeks, bankers, anti-motorist lobbyists etc). So too the BBC has focused entirely on the Westminster bubble and its coverage is now competely irrelvant naval gazing that totally tedious and tired to watch

  • Comment number 19.

    "Spanner7337" "barriesingleton" and "JadedJean" I know of "The Three Musketeer's" "The Three Stooge's" "The Three Bear's" "The Three Wise Men" and "The Three Degrees" etc,etc, well I can now add to the list of triangular partnerships, Welcome to, "The Three Negativists", The grammatical ineptitude, coupled with an outrageously patronizing attitude displayed toward the "Great British public" and the "BBC", and all held together by overly inflated, self opinionated egos, leaves me with aching ribs after a bout of prolonged mirth and laughter. Initial perusal of the "Spanner" comments brought to mind "Victor Melldrew" of "One Foot In The Grave" fame, I found the comments no more than a long winded, moaning, diatribe, a synical atempt to apear inelligent, with some kind of self-assured notion that a large percentage of the British populace agreed with the unsubstantiated claims, well I suppose barriesingleton and Faded Jeans oops! sorry, JadedJean did,(JadedJean sounds like a girl band that's made comeback) I found the real purpose was to have a go at the BBC and program presenters and of cause, the comments found a couple of sycophantic supporters, and yet these people chose a prestigious service (The BBC Newsnight Blog) to post the silly comments, well freedom of speech, even if it is "garbage" must prevail, I'm looking forward to more stuff from "The Three Negativists" well done guys, I've had a great laugh, By the way, did you know that it's bad for haemorrhoids???..............and it's got nothing to do with "Dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane" DaveS596-XE1

  • Comment number 20.

    Im wondering if the stress, maybe fear and psychological impact of what Guido did and does weighs on his mind with regards his health. Such stress is known to impact the immune system and may trigger serious illness as well as common bugs.

    Do people here concern themselves with the impact of their posts or do you just think your too insignificant to be noticed or fear your IP address / identity being traced and your doors kicked in by the wide boys in blue - who knows what could happen in these times - they seem manic and desperate to me.

    I'm damn angry about how Brown and Blair's policies affected me, but I hold back from letting rip. Was always old labour but now who knows god knows what? Frank Field and Vice Cable seem to be the only ones I could trust, just about, and that would be a tea party.

  • Comment number 21.

    i'm surprised no one brought up the point raised in the latest London Mayor Questions [iplayer link posted on here a while back] about how police with criminal convictions for violence are still allowed to serve? its worth watching just for the jokes and muppet action- its a kinda cross between have i got news for you and vicar of dibley church meeting.


    JR can talk sensibly. glad he's dumped the buffoon style. well done.

    uk makes fun of politics? also the media.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hL_DyvEV84


    the usa also does political mickey take as in
    the distinguished gentlemen that made 17 years ago is spooky in that it could have been made last week? e.g

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5nu5GRDzog


  • Comment number 22.

    Jaded Jan,

    Thank you for clarification :) ..I'll look at your Frank Luntz link later ok.

    Yes Newsnight coverage is nonsense but that's because it has to cover the latest nonsense of the day from the miserable world of politics that this morally and economically bankrupt Nu Labour Govt has become.

    But where the BBC does fail miserably is providing any real balance or alternative views to this dross. Instead the BBC wheels out a croney or its own in-house BBC 'expert' (grammer school socialist with 52 brownie points for being 'very' PC) who quibble but do not challange the ultimate tragedy of how bankrupt, abusive and stupid Westminster policies have become.

    The CO2 "pollutant" story is typical. A stream of garbage from across the pond was broadcast unfiltered followed by a BBC expert nodding his head like a donkey at the news that the US EPA has once again promoted junk science into US law (see the EPA junk science on smoking ban and pesticide DDT ban). The EPA has since its inception in the 60's been a hot bed for extremist enviro activists, a minority wilfully abusing their democtratic position to inflict suffering on citizens and businesses (just as Westminster under Labour has become).

    Regards the populace being "dumbed down" it is the opposite. The BBC programmes are dumbed down and ever more dreary (i've switched to FOX, CNBC, Bloomberg etc). The populace is moving in their droves online and to satalite. We say O'Levels are being dumbed down but truth is our 5 year olds today have more information in them than a 14 year old of 20 years ago. This is the pattern of human history, our kids walk O'Levels because they are way ahead of previous generations.

    And our attention spans are not 'shorter'. Our brains want information faster (more efficiently). Why watch a 40 minute BBC documentary on climate junk science from a stupid Scottish croney when you can pick up better scientific information online from 2 pages in a 5 minute reading? Time is money and the BBC is waisting our time and waisting our money



  • Comment number 23.

    DaveS596XE1

    For a guy complaining about "diatribes" and other people "moaning" your post is a pretty picture (of you) isn't it?

    Lots of name tags, name calling, abuse but not any specific content on what is "unsubstatiated". Could we discuss some 'content' and then establish who's opinion is floating on idelaism and whose is wrapped around facts please?

    My beef as I've clearly laid out is that the BBC is in the click of the vacuous, irrelevant Westminster bubble and peddles leftie propoganda like the garbage of climate change. The N.Ireland Enviro minister has refused to allow the Govts 'Act on CO2' junk science to be broadcast as it is "socialist propaganda". He is 100% correct. But the BBC has been peddling this garbage with 100% total biase for 5 or more years despite the majority of the worlds scientists saying it has no scientific foundation.

    My other beef is the BBC is detached form people despite claiming to be a public service broadcaster. The Labour slaughter at last Council Elections is material proof the BBc did not have a single comment from the public on why they voted as they did.

    Instead you take the peoples name in vein and seem to pretend the BBC deserves defending. You say I am trying to "appear to be intelligent" but I'm stating plain facts. Maybe your superior intelligence has a problem digesting patent factual information?

  • Comment number 24.

    "Why watch a 40 minute BBC documentary on climate junk science from a stupid Scottish croney when you can pick up better scientific information online from 2 pages in a 5 minute reading? Time is money and the BBC is waisting our time and waisting our money"


    This is so true, the tit has to be removed.

  • Comment number 25.

    DaveS596XE1 (#19) I take it you don't agree then? Do you regard Newsnight's coverage to be fair and politically neutral/transparent?

    If so, are you describing your 'beliefs' or are you describing what is actually presented? Do you know how to tell the difference? Beliefs are intensional. Are your 'beliefs' open to revision? If so, how can that be done without others being 'negative'? Do you like having your beliefs challenged, or replaced? Uneducable people do not, educable people eagerly look for such opportunities. The latter are a minority. Always have been, always will be.

    Why do you feel the urge to share your emotional responses? Is that possibly the influence of Newsnight's/The BBC's frequent appeals to tell them how you feel? I suggest they do that because they know that intensions are non truth functional like opinions, and ultimately therefore, irrelevant.

    Incidentally, whilst I freely admit to posting more than my fair share of typos etc, cynical is actually spelled with a 'c', and what is being posted is critical, not cynical. Barrie is well known for his excellent writing, so perhaps you should apologise to him on that score?

    The concern is about losing a once good programme (which has some able presenters) to populism and all that comes with that. Newsnight is still better than Panorama or Dispatches etc, which are generally unwatchable rubbish.

    This is constructive criticism so long as it's read and understood. Sadly, there is little evidence of that being done.

  • Comment number 26.

    #25 Jaded_Jean

    "
    If so, are you describing your 'beliefs' or are you describing what is actually presented?"

    You have previously accused myself and others of not seeing what you are saying.

    Yet whenever pressed you never really identify what it is you do believe.

    Hence yesterday you said your race "realism" did not mean that one race was better or worse than another but that if trends continue we will become like Pakistanis. So what if they are no better or worse?

    You have also describe people freely as anarchists and Trotskyites - myself for "painting Hitler as darkly as possible for party political reasons". On previous form you may change your position - so in future I will note each key statement for future reference.

    You have stressed that you would like to see Hitler style planned economies (Paul Mason Blog - A slump in confidence in policymakers?).

    You have produced statistics on Jewish survival rates from the 1930's. You do not deny the Holocaust or affirm it. But you felt the statistics to be worthy information and will perhaps offer your analysis to a war crimes trial such as the Djemjanjuk case, if it gets to trial?

    NewFazer has suggested "I have never claimed a mountain of evidence against the holocaust, I simply say I can find very little for it. It seems neither can you or you would present it. " 27th March. You have the statistics perhaps you could pass them on to him and he could present at the trial? My evidence is the many trials - including Nuremburg - the camps, the testimonies of perpetrators and victims, the documents.

    I did ask that given the "solid" scientific evidence how many WELL KNOWN scientific bodies such as the British Medical Association would describe themselves as race "realists" and promote the views of eugenics you espouse (Eugenics Education Trust)? Cambridge University? Harvard? I was going to write to each one but I don't think you are worth the effort.

    You are an oppressed majority? You have said that some scientists with your views have found it hard to get jobs? Is that consistent with being in the majority?

    Have you said that you would like to see the BNP get more coverage?

    If you have said (no date available) that somebody had to stand up to "cultural Marxism and anti-fascists" do you imply you are a fascist? You have also said that you are not a Nazi or the BNP.

    Did I manage to paint a fairly accurate picture despite the smoke screens?



  • Comment number 27.

    streetphotobeing (#20) "Im wondering if the stress, maybe fear and psychological impact of what Guido did and does weighs on his mind with regards his health. Such stress is known to impact the immune system and may trigger serious illness as well as common bugs."

    We'd probably see a lot more here and elsewhere, from many more people, if what you say above was not the case.

    Nevertheless, it's a mistake not to do so I suggest. What matters is sticking to the truth, bare facts + logic, and avoiding the intensional, however tempting.

  • Comment number 28.

    Sounds like the "Spanner" has lost its grip and sliped off the nut, there's alot of bad feeling coming through the "Spanner" blog, so I'm out of here, Have a nice day "Spanner" yer yer wodever DaveS596-XE1

  • Comment number 29.

    spanner7337 (#22) "Regards the populace being "dumbed down" it is the opposite. The BBC programmes are dumbed down and ever more dreary (i've switched to FOX, CNBC, Bloomberg etc). The populace is moving in their droves online and to satalite. We say O'Levels are being dumbed down but truth is our 5 year olds today have more information in them than a 14 year old of 20 years ago. This is the pattern of human history, our kids walk O'Levels because they are way ahead of previous generations.

    Actually, you're wrong here. There is evidence that the population is dumbing down (quantitatively genetically). I'm not going to go through that again now in detail as have done so many times, but if interested, look through the username archive with a skip of 10 in the url. Shayer has tried to spin it, but he's part of a crowd ;-). In brief the drivers for population dumbing down are a) mass education of brighter females and b) mass low skilled, high TFR immigration, into a low indigenous TFR population which had a mean IQ of 100. As to GCSEs and GCEs, the figures are deceptively presented. One has to look at the N sitting....

  • Comment number 30.

    spanner7337 (#23) "and peddles leftie propoganda like the garbage of climate change"

    Anarchistic/Trot propaganda - i.e conservative free-market anti-statist propaganda. See Nigel Lawson on Joseph/Thatcher starting this in her drive to disempower the miners and go nuclear.

  • Comment number 31.

    ON PROPAGANDA AND HISTORY

    spanner7337 (#23) "and peddles leftie propoganda like the garbage of climate change"

    Addendum - note the (leftie) Democratic-Centralist (statist) PRC, (mean IQ=~105, pop 10 x that of former USSR) is building lots of coal fired power stations, people, 'each according to his need, each according to his ability', come first... Are not Human Rights and Climate Change terror Neo-Liberal/anarchistic/Trot/Free-market political weapons of regime change....?

    Pause for thought...We have been taking our '(leftie') Welfare State apart/from under our feet for what/whom exactly?.....

  • Comment number 32.

    One question for Jaded and Spanner, Do eather of you know of or have been to a place called "Lifespan"? Because I think I know where you are coming from DaveS596-XE1

  • Comment number 33.

    erratum (#31) pop 10 x that of Russia (maybe 4 x former USSR, the point is that Democratic-Centralism and the Cold War has not gone away, in fact, the PRC, as the largest member of the SCO, with Iran, Mongolia, Pakistan and India in the wings, is a serious hegemonic/economic threat to anarchistic USA, especially now they hold so much of the USA's debt and want an alternative reserve currency to the dollar.

  • Comment number 34.

    Found this an interesting story of a truth - press releases from the FSA going back 10 years or so :


    http://www.fsa.gov.uk/Pages/Library/Communication/PR/index.shtml

    You'll see them start to crack down on all the wide-boys and con-men fraudsters only in the last year.

    Found this particularly interesting :

    http://www.fsa.gov.uk/Pages/Library/Communication/PR/2001/143.shtml

    Maxwell LOL

    the part on whistleblowing but seen in the context of the nurse truck off.

  • Comment number 35.

    thegangofone (#26) "Did I manage to paint a fairly accurate picture despite the smoke screens?"

    In a word, no.

    What you have demonstrated is that you have difficulty reading, understanding and recalling what I have written. Try to discriminate between a) what you think and b) what others actually write. They are often quite different. Intensional states are unreliable. They are much abused fo spin.

    A question: If there were 15.3 million Jews in the world in 1939 (6.5m in West 'Russia'/Poland) and 14 million in the world today, given that Jews (other than the Orthodox) have a below replacement level TFR like other Europeans, and given that they lose group members through marrying out of the faith, Judaism being matriarchal lineage defined), how can they have lost a very large number through genocide between 1941 and 1945? (NB Russia and Poland went behind the Iron Curtain not long after WWII). I'm sure many died in camps. But how and why? Was it due primarily to heavy allied bombing of Germany inducing typhus epidemics (as at Belsen)? Was this then abused for propaganda purposes by the allies to denazify Germany and install free-market Liberal-Democracy to the USA' political and financial advantage? Did this help the Zionist (Israeli state) cause?

    Note also: Eastern European countries now have TFRs between 1.1 and 1.3. With a TFR of 1.3 the population halves in 60 years. With 1.1 it does so in 30.

  • Comment number 36.

    addendum here's a Jewish estimate for 1933. This would suggest considerable migration Eastwards from 1933 to 1939 would it not? Those not in Europe were largely in the USA, mainly NYC. Add up those in Eastern Europe which later became Warsaw Pact countries and bear in mind Stalin's post-war discouragement of 'cosmopolitanism'......;-) That may have reduced the number of self-announcing Jews a bit. Certainly many would have lost contact with relatives abroad (e.g. USA), there was a Cold War on - see VENONA!

    The French have a similar attitude today towards ethnicity - 'No! You're FRENCH!' they say (with some anger, as they firmly hold citizens should be proud to be French).

  • Comment number 37.

    28. At 3:01pm on 18 Apr 2009, DaveS596XE1
    ...so I'm out of here,


    Well, for 39 minutes, at least.

    32. At 3:40pm on 18 Apr 2009, DaveS596XE1
    ... I think I know where you are coming from DaveS596-XE1


    Coming... going. Glad someone knows their own mind at least. Or... do they? Always tricky to presume that one has a handle on that of others.

    Which is why I tend to appreciate more the power of a well-structured argument, as opposed to the volume of personalised commentary. It can often prove educational, especially about the author, though usually leaves a bad taste.

    Which, ironically, I tend to find more negative in most blogs than anything else.

  • Comment number 38.

    JunkkMale (#37) Hopefully, at least some of this is illustrating, by practical example, my serious concerns.

    Other instantiations.

  • Comment number 39.

    thegangofone (#26) Some of this may interest you.

  • Comment number 40.

    HELLO BLOGGERS - I HAVE BEEN SAMPLING THE CONTEMPT OF THE MODERN NHS.

    Nothing can hurt me now.

    Bravo for the most amazing range of postings I have seen. 'All human life is there'!

    Somewhere above (I am too destroyed by the caring profession to define where) it was suggested that kids now absorb vast amounts of data (comparatively) - a fair hypothesis. BUT THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO DERIVE ANYTHING FROM THAT DATA and I reckon THAT is intelligence. When 'Mastermind' comes swaggering onto my TV screen (briefly!) I shout "Mastermemory!".

    I suggest the above impinges on the discussion of 'ordinary' people (open to spin, charisma, advertising and group-grief) and the few who actually hear what orators say and have some chance of working out why - etc.

    PS For avoidance of doubt: my brother was admitted to hospital.

  • Comment number 41.

    Barriesingleton,

    You intelligence can distinguish between great memory (Mastermind) and zero intelligence but where does that leave your view on my assertion todays kids are crammed full of information at a far earlier age than previous generations and can therefore walk todays O'Levels?

    I do not assert we are any more (or any less for that matter) intelligent today. I assert we can pass exams far easier because school exams are not iQ tests, they are (mainly) memory tests.

    The stupid notion we are "dumbing down" flies in the face of all evidence. No biologist would evidence our brains are any less capable of intelligence today than the brains we were born with 50 years ago.

    The whole issue of 'dumbing down' should be pointed toward the BBC who are dumbing down their dreary programmes faster than the populace who wants fatser delivery of higher quality information in a shorter time span. The BBC fails on all counts to deliver.

    The BBC's 100% bias for junk science and peddling climate propoganda is an inditement of its politicisation of its role as a 'public service' broadcaster . Simlarly the BBC's dumbed down poltical coverage where it concentrates exclusively on the vacuous bubble of Westminster rather than reach out and ask why voters slaughtered Labour at the last Council elections is evidence of both their political bias and the way this antique socialist broadcaster earns its living.

    The failure of the Regulators is not because they are too small or too underfunded or any other such nonsense. Regulators failed because they are political and banking industry lapdogs and poodles. Similarly the BBC is beholden to the Govt (and EEC) for its funding so it serves the hand that feeds it. It is not beholden to the people because they are forced to fund it by the Govt.

    Hence the BBC directs its hommage to Westminster and shuts out the public.

    Sorry to digress their! So my point is it is not people being dumbed down, it is broadcasters not keeping up with the pace of change (because the people are not its focus group, pleasing politicians is).

  • Comment number 42.

    Wonder what Guido has in store for us today. Id get off the street if I were him.

  • Comment number 43.

    Nos9

    "Kirsty was wearing a surgical gown, why? "

    Yes, but a tad harsh there .

    Might be saying : the cloaking device has not been engaged, however its difficult not to suspect a little bout of "visual design challenge"

  • Comment number 44.

    Streetphotobeing,

    Like your Vids :) ...you mention Guido so if you're up with the McBride/Brown/Draper hoopla it'd be rude not to return the compliment. If you're Over 16 and don't mind adult language

    [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]

  • Comment number 45.

    ON THE SAME TEAM (# 41)

    Genuine contrition on my part Spanner. I think terms like 'eduction', 'knowledge', 'intelligence', ' dumbing-down'; even 'IQ', all get nuanced in general use. (I think this is what JJ calls 'natural language' or some such?) I plead guilty.

    To my way of thinking (!) a qualification for memory, thought to be one for intelligence, IS dumbing down, but you will note: I have not defined my terms! (:o)

    As for media 'news' and politics 'living within the lie' - agreed!

  • Comment number 46.

    Ive just suffered an anxiety attack after seeing Carol Thatcher on Andrew Marr's program (notice the distance be her and Neil Kinnock) it was the fear of her suffering a bout of tourettes live on TV. I did think of calling the BBC to ask if one of their Health and safety advisers would come round and help me cope with my distress.

  • Comment number 47.

    DON'T KNOCK KIRSTY'S CLOTHES (#43 44)

    The matter of her un-projected speech is a far greater priority. She is, after all, a highly paid PRESENTER of information through the medium of the SPOKEN WORD. She also engages in conversation with individuals for whom English is a second language - add your own unkind jokes.

    I find her clothes COMPARITIVELY easy to understand.

  • Comment number 48.

    spanner7337 (#41) "The stupid notion we are "dumbing down" flies in the face of all evidence. No biologist would evidence our brains are any less capable of intelligence today than the brains we were born with 50 years ago."

    On the contrary, yes there is. For example, when the CAT3 was standardised recently there had to be a conversion scale from the CAT2 as the CAT2 provided lower scores. This is prima facie evidence of dysgenesis. There is more. In educational research into SATs this is well documented (please don't assume that all posters here are lay-people).

    Dysgenesis has two drivers a) low skilled mass immigration with high TFRs (IQ has a heritability of 0.8, and is highly negatively correlated with TFR) and b) high differential fertilty (the brighter HALF of the population now goes into Higher Education instead of 5% 30 year ago, thus delaying motherhood relative to the lower half of the Gaussian distribution). When we did not have sex equality and did not do this, it was retrospectively estimated in 1989 that over 5 generations the effect would have been to reduce those 2+ SDs above the mean (130+) by 60% and inflate those -2SDs below the mean (-70) by 60%. In other words, recent policies are accelerating dysgenic fertilty ('dumbing down' the population). I have provided the references many times in the past. If you look into this, you will find I am not misleading you.

  • Comment number 49.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 50.

    Monitoring an initial reaction to a particular event or occurrence, is the first and most important piece of information in a psychological profile jigsaw, because that initial reaction is clean, the subject target dose not have time to think, it's an unconsidered, natural reaction, and can give the psychoanalyst profiler, up to 30% of the psychological state and makeup of the subject target, In many cases the behaviour and reactions that follow will be true, because in many cases it is inherent and habitual, the subject can not disguise his/her true state of mind, this is assuming the profiler can be face to face, so to speak, with with the subject. In many cases this might not be possible, a good second best is to be in conntact in some other way, and sometimes this can be an advantage, because the subject will not always realize they are being targeted by a psychoanalyst, the profiler can stand back and watch, what is seen can usually, but not allways, be true, It can take many months to obtain a full psychological profile, but some times it can be done in just a few days, I have spent over 35 years studying Psychology and Psychopathology, and I enjoy playing Chess, I'm not part of ANY self-righteous, self-indulgent, pseudo-intellectual, click, as observed in some of the, irrelevant dross and clap-trap on this blog site over the past few days, The garbage as far as I can see, has and is of no relevant interest what so ever, it appears to be the same old repetitive rubbish over and over(Spam Blog) aimed at a few echo activist pals and cronies, no purpose just slag every thing off,insult the BBC's programs and presenters, quote a lot of pointless facts and figures and pretend to be oh so intelligent and clever, what it really boils down to is, mealy-mouthed bigotry, and I'll come in and go out where and when ever I like. DaveS596-XE1

  • Comment number 51.

    #35 Jaded_Jean

    1. I simply tried to make sure I represented your views correctly (not to invite a further cyber-garbage dump).

    2. If your statistics are accurate then why is you say you neither affirm nor deny the Holocaust?

    3. As has been pointed out there were no reliable figures on numbers of Jews before the war because many had changed their names and hidden their identity. There also were no reliable census figures in many countries.

    4. If you are so sure you are correct then all of those charged and indicted by Allied propaganda should get a new hearing. Will you be offering your expert testimony to the Djemjanjuk trial?

    5. You did not identify

    a) how many well established and recognised bodies such as the BMA or the Commission For Racial Equality recognise your race "realist" "science"?

    b) If you have said I am an anarchist and a Trotskyite for "painting Hitler as darkly as possible" and you feel you must "stand up to cultural Marxism and anti-fascism" does that make you a fascist?

    c) I repeat ".... yesterday you said your race "realism" did not mean that one race was better or worse than another but that if trends continue we will become like Pakistanis. So what if they are no better or worse?"

    6. Additionally if you believe in eugenics and race "realism" how would you disentangle a multi-cultural society?

  • Comment number 52.

    #50 DaveS596XE1

    Excellent comment as far as I am concerned.

    Have you come across the scientific acceptance of race "realism" in your experience with educational and scientific bodies? Is the Eugenics Education Trust a valued source of knowledge?

    By the way you may have noticed many of the race "realists" have expressed an interest in seeing the BNP get more coverage ..... Perhaps they are not a random gathering of individuals?

  • Comment number 53.

    nos 50

    Probably better to take all the nonsense on here with a pinch of salt. But don't mention the letter "G" or the words spot, Carol or Lord Kinnock.

  • Comment number 54.

    barrie (#45) "a qualification for memory, thought to be one for intelligence, IS dumbing down, but you will note: I have not defined my terms! (:o)"

    You may be right on the memory IQ relation. It may well be that 'g' comes down to memory capacity or some parameter of what we call memory given the high correlation between digit span and 'g'. That would take us to number of brain cells or their efficiciency (based on genes/transmitters, transporters/receptors etc), and then of course we have the threat of automation/computation as competition. The problem is that we don't have any other rational way of talking about or fairly measuring differences in ability or attainment. One can appeal as much as one likes to noble, lofty notions, but unless one (teachers, employers etc) can measure differences on some scale how can people be treated fairly?

    Some people are very quick to say what they don't believe in, but ask them what they do believe in and they have nothing useful to say! The above is the best we have to date.

  • Comment number 55.

    On a more appropriate level the McBride email fiasco is starting to unravel.

    It just is not credible that he was a loose cannon as Brown is a control freak and the journalists knew weeks beforehand - so it was premeditated and if they knew its almost a certainty that others in the Labour Party knew.

    Will Brown allow a drip drip drip route to a Watergate ending or will the men in grey suits be visiting him?

    On the other hand as a Lib Dem voter they are actually rising in the polls so maybe the Labour Party will self destruct and be consigned to history.

    Sadly the good of the contented multi-cultural country comes first.

    Budget Day will be so interesting.


  • Comment number 56.

    DaveS596XE1 (#50) "I have spent over 35 years studying Psychology and Psychopathology, and I enjoy playing Chess, I'm not part of ANY self-righteous, self-indulgent, pseudo-intellectual, click, as observed in some of the, irrelevant dross and clap-trap on this blog site over the past few days,"

    Public Health Warning/Draper Alert: Psychological Profiling, as espoused above, is a pseudoscience (as is most psychotherapy going by the evidence of treatment efficacy).

    The sooner regulators do something about this the better.

    PS. it's clique. ;0)

  • Comment number 57.

  • Comment number 58.

    #35 Jaded_Jean

    "
    thegangofone (#26) "Did I manage to paint a fairly accurate picture despite the smoke screens?"

    In a word, no. "

    I had said in my #26

    "
    You have produced statistics on Jewish survival rates from the 1930's. You do not deny the Holocaust or affirm it. But you felt the statistics to be worthy information and will perhaps offer your analysis to a war crimes trial such as the Djemjanjuk case, if it gets to trial?"

    In your #35 you then proceed to produce the refuted statistics - refuted as there was no reliable census details.

    So yes the picture was accurate.

    Bizarre people the race "realists" as you declare yourself to be.

  • Comment number 59.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 60.

    #35 Jaded_Jean

    Are you ever actually going to come outon the name of your ideology or are you too muddle headed to give it a name? You have said that you are not a Nazi or the BNP.

    You have said previously that I was "an anarchist and a Trotskyite for painting Hitler as darkly as possible" and also that "somebody had to stand up to cultural Marxism and anti-fascists". You like planned economies Hitler style, eugenics and you dislike democracy.

  • Comment number 61.

    #54 Jaded_Jean

    In your words:

    "Some people are very quick to say what they don't believe in, but ask them what they do believe in and they have nothing useful to say! "

    See my #60

  • Comment number 62.

    I wonder if the far right can muster 0.2% of the vote these days?

    I just float that finger-in-the-air statistic as I know that the excitable far right posters on here will want to enjoy it before the daily chorus of "Springtime For Hitler".

    Of course they don't like democracy so numbers don't matter.

  • Comment number 63.

    DaveS596XE1 - if you happened to suggest a piece to Newsnight on Hitlers niece and the "drinking episodes", with detail, I am sure many of the "extreme" posters on this page would be ...well ... a little ...excited!

  • Comment number 64.

    Guido is off on a picnic - its most frustrating and causing me to have bouts of un-normal thinking and my thoughts removed.

  • Comment number 65.

    CUTTING THE MUSTER (#62)

    Yo Gango! I reckon, by now, the largest 'muster' is the 'NO CONFIDENCE IN WESTMINSTER GOVERNANCE' cohort. (Been dying to use 'cohort' for ages)

    BUT according to my MP, the PARTIES don't want it (they would say that wouldn't they!) so WE can't have it. He's a devoted democrat my bloke - Westminster-style of course. (:o)

    SPOIL PARTY GAMES

  • Comment number 66.

    Moderators - how can you allow Nos 63 and remove my little cocktail of science fiction humour ?

  • Comment number 67.

    thegangofone (#58) "refuted as there was no reliable census details."

    So take it up with the Jewish Virtual Website already. Whilst you're at it, ask them how they know how many went missing if there were no reliable census details.

  • Comment number 68.

    HYSTERICAL NOTE (#66)

    Hi Streetphotobeing! Such are the strange forces at work on this blog: 'The Fone' ('Gango' to his friends) gets away with massive breaches (and who more likely to wear massive breaches?) of the House Rules. I can only surmise he and the Blogdog have some affinity. (:o)

  • Comment number 69.

    JadedJean (56) Even more useless info, You just don't get it do you? It seems the point is being missed, and it's quite apparent, that you are not so clever as you would have me believe, you have reacted just as I thought someone from your gang would react, and yes I knew someone would pull me up the "click" word, I am not in the least bit interested in "Reports" for every report that tells us, something or other is a bad thing, there's a report saying, well it's not so bad, quoting other people dose not win arguments and every thing you lot post on this site seems to be quoting something or other and when it's not quoting, it's negative slaging off, or insulting someone or something and you think it's good for the debate, it's just pointless, secondhand, sermonizing, no doubt you will carry on playing the same old song, and you are hooked into my game, look for the clues, or is that a red herring????? DaveS596-XE1

  • Comment number 70.

    "strange forces at work" yes indeed. Now were subject to a picnic at hanging on a knife edge.

  • Comment number 71.

    Missing link at #57

  • Comment number 72.

    DaveS596XE1 (#69) "You just don't get it do you? It seems the point is being missed, and it's quite apparent, that you are not so clever as you would have me believe, you have reacted just as I thought someone from your gang would react, and yes I knew someone would pull me up the "click" word, I am not in the least bit interested in "Reports" for every report that tells us, something or other is a bad thing, there's a report saying..."

    I think the more attention that people like yourself and Derek Draper get, the better...

  • Comment number 73.

    thegangofone (63) Am I to take it that there are dark forces in the room? that of the "Crystellmass"????? DaveS596-XE1

  • Comment number 74.

    CAVEAT EMPTOR, EQUALITY AND FREEDOM

    DaveS596XE1 (#73) thegangofone doesn't appear to have understood what this was all about, and who took most advantage of it elsewhere.

    Still, there's a new game in town. Will Iran go for it? I suspect not. Will 'White Supremacists' ever wake up to what's 'wrong' with them? ...

    Will still unregulated 'psychotherapists' ever wake up to the fact that many who walk amongst them are narcissistic predators with no evidence to justify any of what they do?

  • Comment number 75.

    DaveS596XE1,

    Some are here to have a moan (yes, you're right, 1 Brownie Point for you). But that's a legit point of view isn't it?

    You're here to moan about the moaners. And your point is?

    If you wish to continue moaning about moaning please recignise the floor you're standing on has just fallen through!

  • Comment number 76.

    Apart from Martinique, France will be welcoming a new batch of Frenchman soon into the EU (and Britain if they wish?). This time it's Mayotte which is in France... just not as we know it...

  • Comment number 77.

    Victor Meledrew for PM!! Vicky Pollard and her seditious kin to 'The Question'.

  • Comment number 78.

    It was good to see Michael Portillo in true churlish form. Since he has become all touchy feely on the sofa with Diane Abbott it is easy to forget what a joy it was when he lost his seat. Is he trying to get back and onto the Cameron sofa or does he want a seat in the Lords?

    He was determined not to acknowledge the great acting and script of the Armando film and kept interupting Ian to say that it was ''all old hat so what did matter?'' It does as the legacy of those days is still going on today , that's the point. He adopted a different approach when discussing State of Play and old stories didn't matter any more. Anyway great show.

  • Comment number 79.

    "dark forces in the room" "narcissistic predators" "the floor fallen through" "G words" "cocktails on the moon" removed.

    Gosh what a day, I need to have a little nap, this excitement and unfulfilled expectation has me all of a dither and a little beside myself with anxiety.

  • Comment number 80.

    streetphotobeing (#79) "this excitement and unfulfilled expectation has me all of a dither and a little beside myself with anxiety."

    Just make sure you steer clear of 'psychotherapists' OK! ;-)

  • Comment number 81.

    Nos80

    Okey dokey but I rather fear "psyco G" men have put the Zap on Guido.

  • Comment number 82.

    Just to be clear mods "psycho G" is not of the Carol type.

  • Comment number 83.

    LEST WE REMEMBER.. OR BEGIN TO WAKE UP?

    Now, we have calls for a boycott. Yet during the Gaza crisis? So racism is bad when it's against minority groups in the USA or Europe, but not in Israel. Who are the colonists within?

    Dare one ask which group has a 56% risk of breast cancer when the rest of the population only has a 12% risk and why does campaigning with cute ribbons therefore pay off bigtime if you only comprise 0.5% of the population?

  • Comment number 84.

    streetphotobeing (#81)

    They are very popular types there days alas. The clinical (animal) model is the Bull-Terrier. They can be very charming and nobody knows how to handle them so long a they're not caught out... and so in our ever more deregulated times....

    ..too many walk amongst us....

  • Comment number 85.

    Newsnight covered the miners strike a few weeks ago and it was interesting.

    One of the aspects of that 80's strike that has never been resolved in my view is whether the technically illegal interception of miners by the police was desirable and right - should the law have been changed or was common sense prevailing?

    I note the Guardian headline today:

    "
    Secret police intelligence was given to private firm
    Emails show UK civil servants passed data on protesters to security officials at E.ON "

    Is this not much the same situation? We would all complain if the power went off.

    Nobody wants to find their name was on a dubious employment database as you showed separately the other week where people had not worked for years.

    Perhaps its time for some of the grey areas to be clarified distinctly in legal terms and operational guidelines.

  • Comment number 86.

    THE BABY AND THE BATH-WATER

    addendum (#84) One estimate (given in Lykken 1995) for ASPD is 4.5% in the general population, and there are widespread concerns that the Cluster B, Axis II (ASPD/NPD/HPD/BPD) numbers are rising generally. Certain types of work (Financial and Business Services etc) also appear to attract certain types, meaning the prevalence rates are likely to vary (concentrate). :-(

    What were they grappling/struggling with in the 1930s, and, 'shock-horror', have we possibly been duped into throwing out the baby with the bath-water?

  • Comment number 87.

    'ELLO 'ELLO 'ELLO

    What's all this then?

  • Comment number 88.

    Go1 #52

    "#50 DaveS596XE1

    Excellent comment as far as I am concerned."



    "The garbage as far as I can see, has and is of no relevant interest what so ever, it appears to be the same old repetitive rubbish over and over(Spam Blog) aimed at a few echo activist pals and cronies, no purpose just slag every thing off..." [#50 DaveS596XE1]

    You don't recognise yourself here then?

  • Comment number 89.

    MAKING RODS FOR OUR OWN BACKS

    NewFazer (#88) It appears to me from his comments that DaveS596XE1 is as discerning as the gangofone.

    Lack of discrimination can be costly. For instance, Lykken (1995) citing analysis of a 1958 USA cohort reported that whilst the prevalence for Anti-Social Personality Disorder in white males was 3%, in Black males it was 11%. There are also data which indicate that the overall prevalence is on the rise too. In the 1980s the estimated prevalence of ASPD was 3% and by the 90s it was put at 4.5%.

    Bad things happen more often when there are more people being bred who behave badly. The Home Office PPO programme is a good idea, but it is not the answer as it just keeps an eye on higher risker risk individuals (flagged up by Conduct Disorder and Oppositiona Defiance when young). It doesn't do anything to stop the increasing breeding/prevalence in the population.

    They are incorrigible, alas :-(

  • Comment number 90.

    Q: All posts are pre-moderated. What does this mean?

    A: Pre-moderation - every single message is checked before it appears on the board. All of the BBC's children's message boards are supervised in this way.

    Why does the blog associated with the Beeb's flagship current affairs programme treat its contributors like children?

    Besides which, it takes so damn long!

  • Comment number 91.

    MAKING RODS FOR OUR OWN BACKS

    NewFazer (#88) Some are less discerning than others.

    Lack of discrimination can be costly. For instance, Lykken (1995) citing analysis of a 1958 USA cohort reported that whilst the prevalence for Anti-Social Personality Disorder in white males was 3%, in Black males it was 11%. There are also data which indicate that the overall prevalence is on the rise too (TFRs differ). In the 1980s the estimated prevalence of ASPD was 3% and by the 90s it was put at 4.5%.

    Bad things happen more often when there are more people being bred who behave badly. The Home Office PPO programme is a good idea, but it is not the answer as it just keeps an eye on higher risk individuals (flagged up by Conduct Disorder and Oppositional Defiance when young).

    It doesn't do anything to stop the increasing breeding/prevalence in the population bue to differences in TFRs

    Axis II Cluster Bs are incorrigible, alas :-(

  • Comment number 92.

    So to all those who took part in the "Get XE1" Experiment, Thank you, the results are interesting, I would like to say in my own defence, I am not a "moaner" never have been, though I can understand why many would tab me as one, my comments weren't made in the context of moaning, Psychology,like it or not, is used by everyone of us, every day, and I quite agree, Psychology, Psychoanalysis, and Psychoanalytic practice as a science, is a very doggy, nether here no there kind of science(Yes Jaded! junk science), though it can, at times, have its uses, the fact that a number of you pointed out that my postings were a reflection of myself, proves my point, though I think you may not be on the right track, however, your feedback was, in some ways, surprising, oh! hang on phones bleeping...............................I'm back, That was the queen, no, no, no, not that one, guy down the road, go's around in frocks and high heels, wanted to know if I'd go out with him tonight, told him I'm tiedup, Miss Whiplash is coming round.....now were was I? oh yer, apart from "thegangofone" everyone whent on the defencive and it really was Get XE1, by the way, I had a "Post" removed, it was about the way the Police were knocking people about at the G20 gig, but the Beeb gave me the chance to tone it down and it might get back on the site, anyway guys I'm not the Bloger from hell and I still think "click" sounds better Have a nice evernig, Now I've goda go and get my leather gear on?????????? DaveS596-XE1

  • Comment number 93.

    Studying and understanding psychology as in, being intrested in, and knowing how it works, reading case histories, and understanding how people think, what makes people tick, and how a person will react to something, dose not make me a "Psychotherapist" as it apears some people assume I am, I AM NOT A PSYCHOTHERAPIST and never have been, as to why? anyone should make this assumption, pschoanalytically speaking of cause, someone is just a teeny, weeny, bit paranoid, that their thinly veiled anti-Semitic, racist, garbage may be seen for it is, GARBAGE! and no! my floor is as solid as a rock sunbeam!(#75-Spanner7337) Yer goda try harder than that, I've been dishing the dirt with arty-farties alot longer than you've been trying to put one over on a bad attitude, hard-nose old timer like me Av'a nice day DaveS596-XE1

  • Comment number 94.

    92. At 6:59pm on 20 Apr 2009, DaveS596XE1 I would like to say in my own defence, I am not a "moaner" never have been, though I can understand why many would tab me as one, my comments weren't made in the context of moaning,

    Mr. Bill 'Relations' Clinton, watch out: you have a real rival!

  • Comment number 95.

    JunkkMale (#94) ROFL ;-0

  • Comment number 96.

    Now now Jaded, no need for that sarky malarkey, just go and sit in a darken room have a cup of tea, and do stop lurking and flouncing with narcissistic rage, It's reminiscent of a certain little corporal when he realized he'd lost WW2, you'll feel better soon, you are worth a laugh, if nothing els. DaveS596-XE1

  • Comment number 97.

    DaveS596XE1 (#96) Are you a fan of Derek Draper?

    Here's something for you to read.

    I still find it an enigma that he attacked the USSR in June 1941 as prima facie, Stalin was trying to achieve essentially the same ends as he, and had told the German communists that their future lay with Hitler (a left wing politician). Having said that, one must remember that Democratic-Centralism is a dictatorship of the people, not one person and Stalin had not entirely removed the Old Bolsheviks (internationalists) by 1941.

  • Comment number 98.

    HAVE WE THOUGHT THIS THROUGH?

    "Ahmadinejad's accusation that the West used the Holocaust as a "pretext" for aggression against Palestinians still provoked walkouts by a stream of delegates including representatives of every European Union country in attendance. But others, including those from the Vatican, stayed in the room because they said he stopped short of denying the Holocaust."

    Associated Press, 21 April 2009

    I guess the delegates had to given that many European states proscribe Holocaust Denial by law and Merkel wanted to make it EU wide - are we fortunate or unfortunate that it is not in Lisbon?

    IF this really is, as some conjecture, essentially a political extension of the post-war allied propaganda 'Collective Guilt Campaign' to secure Liberal Free Market democracy in the EU and beyond via the UN.....against the USSR and its allies (remember it was the USSR which sponsored the original Zionism is Racism resolution in 1975 surely we should consider all of this much more carefully and critically?

  • Comment number 99.

    (#97)Jaded Jean > I'm not a fan of anyone, but it apears that some people on this site are fans of the loser corporal, and each other, typical Nazi freaks, and here's something you can read, KISS MY BOLSHIE BUTT DaveS596-XE1

  • Comment number 100.

    ANARCHO-CAPITALISM

    DaveS596XE1 (#99) Work through this cartoon and then go and read the 1945 'National Socialist/Socialism in One Country' Labour Party manifesto. and ask youreself what New Labour or the Neo Conservatives, or the Neo Liberal-Democrats have got in common with it - and why.

 

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