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Friday 26 October 2012, 18:32

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I asked you recently whether anyone had changed their mind about Ridley Scott's Prometheus now that the initial hype is over. Here are some of your reactions.

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    Comment number 1.

    So riddley scott is going to try and milk the fans like he did with blade runner countless "versions" relased over the next 20 and maybe one day actually find a decent film somewhere? I doubt it, and I am not contributing to ridley scott's retirement fun to find out

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    Comment number 2.

    20(/30) years

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    Comment number 3.

    After watching you're initial video, asking for peoples responses on the film after a second viewing of the Blu-ray release. I'm amazed with the feedback both negative and positive. First off The alternate beginning and ending add absolute nothing to an already Good film.
    Seriously the inclusion of a few extra engineers at the opening scene supposedly adds more weight to the story? please enlighten me someone if you know why. As for the alternate ending it was pretty much similar minus some dialogue. Don't even get me started on the other extra scene's cut, if anything it helps the films run time.

    I personally loved the film. If anything was awful about the film it was the musical score, which no ones seemed to of picked up on. I think people believed they wanted another Alien film, but what Ridley gave us was something far more interesting, questioning the creation of life in the universe and our search for the meaning of life. Had Ridley just gone back and made another tight corridor horror film surely everyone would be up in arms asking the difference between Prometheus and the original Alien? Finally as for judging a film based around it's included extra's is ridiculous concept, the film should be able to stand on it's own two feet. A film should be engaging enough for audience without the back up "making of" documentaries to help people understand or appreciate it more.

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    Comment number 4.

    Directors cut, next November, just in time for the xmas market.

    Extended cut on or around the release date for Prometheus 2.

    Final cut, once the Prometheus trilogy is complete and the cash cow has been milked dry and sent to the abattoir.

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    Comment number 5.

    I recorded Planet of the Vampires on an old VHS tape and it had an alternative ending. My mum taped Brush Strokes over the last 20 minutes. Scary.

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    Comment number 6.

    Ridley Scott does seem to have some rotten luck with the initial releases, in terms of his artistic vision. How many films of his have had Director's cuts and been improved? Someone isn't learning their lesson.

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    Comment number 7.

    Sorry to drop a bomb on the director worship, but Ridley Scott was offered the chance to make an extended cut for the DVD by Fox. An unlikely event unless they too were worried it didn't cover everything. He turned them down saying the film in the cinemas was the directors cut. It is as it is, because he wants it to be.

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    Comment number 8.

    Ok, so i just saw Prometheus a couple of weeks back. So i'm not an Alien fanboy, but i thought Prometheus passed muster to be honest. It was surely never going to be the art-house / mainstream crossover that Alien achieved, and with that understood, Prometheus was as kind of as good as it was going to be. Without being too simplistic, the good stuff (Charlize Theron, Noomie Rapace, Michael Fassbinder, the photography) outweighed the far fetched nature of the storyline. Did it leave me wanting to see the presumed next episode...yes. Think the criticism has kind of lost perspective.

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    Comment number 9.

    Damn, guess you could predict the same responses because most replies are from the usual cretins who struggle to understand plots more complicated than an episode of Teletubbies...the plot has some cringe-inducing moments, more in dialogue than anything else, it could have been much better if Ridley had hired an old writer with experience and credibility instead of a couple of nobodies...but there are no plot holes, and the film really isn't hard to understand if you have a brain

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    Comment number 10.

    i must be the ultimate minority in a bermuda triangle because i loved this film - IN 3D - IN THE IMAX DAY 1 - and every day since - BUT - and this where i must be in a minority - I HATE the deleted scenes - i am glad they aren't there -

    Who in their right mind wants to see shaw down a bottle of vodka - after pills plus operation e.t.c to THEN fight the engineer - or to hear the engineer talk - far superior and scary to have him silent than talk with that weird voice - not everything needs explaining if you look for the subtitles you will find them - the most obvious one people moan about is fifield - to me it is very clear he is a massive stoner and thus everything he does is explained - that and vickers doesn't care about anyone on the mission so "personally hired" fools

    i have to say that most of these comments are VERY applicable to LOOPER

    that film needs a full directors cut and a new soundtrack for me to love it

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    Comment number 11.

    Ridley's still working on a few more versions of Blade Runner at the moment, but he'll get around to it.

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    Comment number 12.

    Props to all the quality, individual opinions and reflective reviews by people!

    Boiling down why I don't believe Prometheus is worth the price of a ticket and more importantly more of my time:

    1. The story is a repeat of Alien(s).
    2. The Crew are "real" in Alien(s). Eg 1st one esp. all of them. In Alien(s) Ripley's towering performance aided by the others.
    3. The world-building derived from the the incidental alien contact with the "unknown". This is a place of paucity to start building from and can only lead to more exposition of human foibles and pretensions and explain nothing on about the alien unknown without looping back to random literature of ideas; by all accounts that's exactly what it does.
    4.IMO Avatar's main character is the world-building (as is LOTRs the book but not the film imho), hence why I'd categorize it as a film that knows what it is. I wonder if the same could be said of Prometheus, given the above, that the crew start talking about the world-building instead of being real people?

    @ #9. Sean Kelly: Is E' avin' a laugh?

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    Comment number 13.

    I'm sorry but it can only be the case that those criticising Prometheus with comments of how "truly awful" the movie supposedly is, can only be overreacting to their sense of disappointment that it is not like Alien or Aliens. Sure, Prometheus has flaws. I thought myself why did the characters running from the crashing spaceship not run to the left or right (though people do do stupid things when they are scared)? You could point the same finger of derision at Alien - why did John Hurts character do the stupid thing of looking right into the alien egg face first when he could plainly see there was something alive in there? Dumbass!!! See? Some commenters need to get a grip of themselves and review Prometheus as a movie in its own right and stop being such fanboys. It really is quite a good movie. Perhaps not as good as Alien or Aliens but it is mopre of a "sciencey issues, who are we?" movie rather than the horror movie or action movie that Alien and Aliens were respectively.

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    Comment number 14.

    It's one thing for a novitiate Scott to have Blade Runner decisions imposed upon him by a studio who've sunk a ton of that era's money into an unproven story, but the current model of release and recut smacks of nothing short of planned obsolescence. Do a so-so cut for the first release and promise better things next time, bums on seats or discs on shelves times two. (sadly, this makes me wish Ridley Scott was running the Obama campaign).

    Fan edits may grow in the future, I could guess that someday they may even be actively encouraged. Editing is one of the highest skills in film making, and its a great place to cut your teeth, and today's technology has made it so accessible. Hey, Lonergan and co., why not release all your Margaret footage, and give an award (or maybe a screening or release) to the best fan edit.

    Of course, my fan edit of Prometheus would mash it up with Cabin in the Woods so we could see the ostensibly intelligent people manipulated into utter stupidity.

    I do think you've missed out on the main reason that no one should have believed the hype in the first place. Undoubtedly Ridley Scott is a genius in many ways, but he clearly doesn't have sound judgements where scripts are concerned. Give him a good or great script and you'll get great movies. Give anyone the Robin Hood script and the answer should have been, "NO!", but instead Ridley gave us Robin Hood, an utter mess, and to some degree a Prequel. With blots like that on his copy book, any hype about his films should be taken with a salt mine.

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    Comment number 15.

    If Prometheus stood on it's own it would merely be a bad film from a director who hasn't been on form in over 10 years - but the fact that it is part of the Alien franchise makes it for me a truly terrible film. A films so bad that it manages to reach back in time and retro-actively demean it's predecessors.

    Maybe some of the extras will fill in character and plot holes but how much is that going to add to the running time? As Mark says of 2001: A Space Odyssey ( a film that should always be kept in mind when discussing Prometheus), "from apes to God in under 90 minutes". Prometheus can't even finish the story arc of one character in 90 minutes.

    Really, what did you expect from the writer of Cowboys and Aliens?

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    Comment number 16.

    it's hilarious how people are saying the only reason we don't like Prometheus is because we "don't get it", or that we're just "disappointed due to it being over hyped" NO, we didn't like it because its poorly written and acted (except for Fassbender who was fine) and its actually 'storytelling' is very weak. it's impossible to feel an emotional attachment to any of the characters when they're behaving in a way that doesn't make sense, and you're constantly confused as to what's going on. so in short, it's not our fault we don't like Prometheus, its the writers' fault

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    Comment number 17.

    When we look at the extended "Kingdom of Heaven" and extended (if the deleted scenes were put in) "Prometheus", are we saying that Ridley Scott can now produce fantastic films so long as he has three to thirty years to edit them and they have to be four hours long?

    It's not the lack of scenes in this film, it's the actual scenes present that are the issue. John Hurt may have looked into a living alien egg out of foolish curiosity, but in "Prometheus" they went into an alien base and took their helmets off.

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    Comment number 18.

    To those of you that have lost count at the number of Blade-Runner releases there have been; you can expect the same from Prometheus.

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    Comment number 19.

    Ignoring the fact that it's prequel to Alien doesn't change the fact that it's chock full of terrible dialogue, underwritten characters, hammy acting, people doing inexplicably stupid things just to further and plot and that it's just generally one of the most blatantly cynical attempts at milking a film into a franchise

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    Comment number 20.

    On an unrelated note: composer Hans Werner Henze died today. He wrote "Fantasia For Strings", used in The Exorcist.

 

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