Film Club with Mark Kermode and Simon Mayo. With school term finishing for summer, Kermode and Mayo discuss school movies.

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  • Comment number 34. Posted by FilmBrainMathew

    on 19 Jul 2009 09:37

    I don't consider myself an elitist at all. I'm very much what one would describe as "film casual". I know my stuff and I've watched a pretty diverse range of movies (for instance, 2 weeks ago, I watched "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" and then a couple of days later I watched the 1930s classic "Little Caesar"). I watch movies to be entertained.

    But I do agree on the "Pirates of the Caribbean" sequels. Now bear in mind that I thought "Curse of the Black Pearl" is good, if too long, and a tiny bit overrated. "Dead Man's Chest" and "At World's End" are just so bad. AWE is actually one of the worst times I've had in a cinema ever - 169 mins of crushing boredom and disappointment. Who did the editing? Why isn't the length being reigned in? Why is the comic relief dragging on scenes to twice the length they should be? A slap in the face to anyone who enjoys films.

    This summer may be the worst in recent memory, and that may partially be down to the writer's strike. On the good side, we have "Star Trek". Wow, a whole one movie! In the middle, we have "Terminator Salvation", that was sabotaged by re-writing. The rest have been uniformly terrible: "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" (GAH!), "Night at the Museum 2", "Angels & Demons", "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen"... This isn't a list of bockbusters, its a casualty list.

    Not to mention we have "Land of the Lost", which has been described by US critics as being on par with "Pluto Nash". Egads, if its anything like particuarly monstrosity I will weep for Will Ferrell. Why does he keep attaching himself to crap like that? Does he not remember the dreadful 2005, where all of his movies were awful? ("Kicking and Screaming", "Bewitched", "The Producers" and "Wedding Crashers") And I say this as a Ferrell fan. But he needs to pull a Jim Carrey because he's now becoming over-exposed and stale. As we've seen in "Stranger than Fiction" and (unreleased in the UK for some reason) "Winter Passing", he has got the talent to pull that off.

    And as much as I envy Dr. Kermode's job, the weekend of August 7th is when I do not: "The Ugly Truth", "Aliens in the Attic", "Adam", "G.I. Joe: Rise of Cobra" (which looks like the absolute worst this summer) and "Orphan" - a car crash of terrible, all out on the same weekend? I think the good doctor should keep blunt instruments away from him, just in case he might want to bash his eyes in to spare the pain.

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  • Comment number 33. Posted by OCDmaniac

    on 18 Jul 2009 21:06

    The fact that most movies have become more about money than art does not astonish me. If in the literary world they can milk such rubbish as twilight or Naria, that break their own cannon, have no real plot or are just plain sexist, purely for cash then movie such as Ice Age seem only natural. It seems to me that the only out come of this dilemma is good movie tend to have a "cheap" look.

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  • Comment number 32. Posted by Dave B

    on 17 Jul 2009 11:46

    You could argue that 2001: A Space Odyssey kick started the whole modern blockbuster era. Firstly it's a visual film that places an emphasis on special effects over plot and characterisation (although it is an ideas film so it does retain artistic credibility). Secondly is made a huge amount of money and thirdly it was a huge influence on Spielberg and Lucas who went on to make Jaws and Star Wars.

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  • Comment number 31. Posted by Joseph Hollies

    on 16 Jul 2009 21:11

    Put it on the poster: 'Star Wars' - "Vaguely adventurous"

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  • Comment number 30. Posted by floyd75dylan

    on 16 Jul 2009 20:27

    RE: Bloodysam:

    The film was only a modest success outside the US on its first release.

    It was only after the release of Star Wars that they re-released American Graffiti, which then went on to make $63 million worldwide, and by 1990 earned more than $200 million at the box office, and video sales.

    Lucas recalled, "he would have made $30 million on the deal. He never got over it and he still kicks himself."

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  • Comment number 29. Posted by Duncan Cookson

    on 16 Jul 2009 20:13

    Jesus was that Chow Yun Fat in POTC? I saw the first one and hated it so didn't watch the rest. Hard to understand the global appeal of these films. Maybe when they're dubbed into different languages the voice actors improvise a better script.

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  • Comment number 28. Posted by Joe Buck

    on 16 Jul 2009 18:38

    They also point the finger at Heaven's Gate for killing the New Hollywood. I think that the likes of E.T. were far more responsible. Family movies etc. As for Jaws - my top film of all time - I believe that it was the defining moment of that fabulous and greatest era of motion picture history, commencing in the late 60s and ending in the early 80s. Jaws may well have sparked a business model and release pattern for large-scale summer movies that followed. However, Jaws remained at number 1 throughout the summer it was released, weeks and weeks. Garbage of the Transformers 2 ilk could never achieve that.

    Floyd75Dylan: 'American Graffiti was a mild success.'
    I think you'll find that it was a HUGE success, making Lucas a millionaire.

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  • Comment number 27. Posted by Yorkshire Mouth

    on 16 Jul 2009 17:06

    Youve dropped a bit of a clanger there, Dr K. Most critics would argue that New Hollywood or The Hollywood Renaissance did not start with Easy Riders in 1968 - which would have been difficult as it wasnt released until 1969 - but with Bonnie & Clyde and The Graduate (and possibly Cool Hand Luke) in 1967.

    Do I get a Blue Peter Badge?

    Steve W

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  • Comment number 26. Posted by TrumpCard

    on 16 Jul 2009 16:59

    Nobody truly believes Star Wars is a deep, complex peice of hard science fiction, what it is, is an exciting adventure film which provides an entry point into the science fiction genre for younger generations. Although I have to question whether this point is relevant to Pirates of the Carribean, I believe a number of Summer blockbusters (Terminator, The Matrix etc) have had a similar effect. If it weren't for the Summer Blockbuster, science fiction would have an extremely depleted following.

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  • Comment number 25. Posted by fantasy_escapist

    on 16 Jul 2009 16:27

    Mark - what's your fave summer blockbuster from this decade?

    I think blockbusters can be very good with a plethora of ideas being presented plot-wise and developed characters such as Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Bourne Ultimatum, and I think Sin City (well, I thought it was very good).

    However 75-80% of summer blockbusters are complete rubbish, I find.
    Look at the big films that started coming out mid spring:

    X-Men Origins: Wolverine - sub-par.
    Star Trek - good fun.

    then in June:

    Terminator: Salvation - didn't see. 3rd sequel + McG = bad film, though.
    Tranformers: Revenge of the Fallen - absolutely wretched.

    Then this month:
    Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - not seen yet
    G.I. Joe: Rise of the Cobra - won't see, ever, in my natural born life.

    So, up to this month that I've seen, only one film so far has been good. That doesn't look very promising, does it?

    If anything, it makes me glad that there's alternatives to mainstream cinema. Problem is, I have to travel on the expensive London underground to get to the cinemas that show these films.

    I don't hate all blockbusters, I just think they're getting more and more tedious to watch as the film makers seem to forget the basic rule of film: engaging plot and developing characters. CGI should be used to enhance a film's plot not beguile audiences away from a very poor, badly thought out one *cough* Transformers 2 *cough*

    The dropping quality of films has lead to me saving quite a bit of money, though, so I guess there is a bright side to all this mediocre and sometimes absolutely reprehensible cinema :)

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