World Cup 2006 Blog

From our reporters in Germany

Why I want Germany to win the World Cup

paul_atherton.gifMUNICH - Ok, I know it’s hard to drum up much enthusiasm for the rest of the World Cup now England have packed their bags and gone home.

But there’s still a week to go and four teams left in it. We’ve got to wait four years until the next World Cup, so we may as well enjoy every minute while it lasts. So come on, who will you be cheering on in this week’s semi-finals?

For me, there’s only one choice.

Four weeks ago I could never have imagined cheering on England’s arch footballing rivals Germany.

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But a month in Munich has completely changed my opinion of the people, the country and the team.

Jurgen Klinsmann has got his young side playing an attacking style of football you wouldn’t normally associate with the Germans and they’ve been the most entertaining side in the tournament.

Germany’s fans have also been fantastic. Thousands of people have taken to the streets after every match, waving flags, honking horns and turning every city into a sea of black, red and gold.

Don't get me wrong, I’ve got nothing against France, Italy or Portugal. Well, maybe Portugal. But at the same time there’s nothing about them that makes me want to root for them.

Right, I’m off now to buy wristbands, face paint and a comedy hat.

Auf gehts Deutschland schiesst ein Tor! (Come on Germany score a goal!)

PS. For all those who emailed or posted here asking for details of the song used at the end of the England Portugal game on Match of The Day... It was Numb from the Pet Shop Boys' album Fundamental.

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  • 1.
  • At 10:14 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Nigel Dissen wrote:

Me too. Come on Germany. I have lived here for the last three years and the people have gone to enormous lengths to make this a great World Cup. Pity about England. Again.

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  • 2.
  • At 11:23 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Pilotasso wrote:

Andreas:

Watch the games review and then tell me how many fouls each team commited on the England game. This whole paranoia that we cheated over the english is getting ridiculous.

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  • 3.
  • At 11:24 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Stuart Knapp wrote:

I will be backing Germany to win the Cup. I was hoping for an England v Germany final but sadly that was not to be... I think the Germans have put on a fantastic tournament and are themselves playing the most exciting football. They deserve to win it this year. Good luck.
PS I hope France hammer Portugal & Ronaldo gets sent off, he does not deserve to play in any more games.

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  • 4.
  • At 11:30 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Pilotasso wrote:

Stuart.

Be relaxed. C Ronaldo has been having thigh pains and will probably miss france game. Almos as he had missed England game. Thats right, the innocent dutch gave him a leg braker and he got what he deserved. It almost gave England a righteous god sent victory right?

Figo is also "Righteously" out of the game as he was kicked in the face in the Mexico game and elbowed in the face against the dutch. I guess you guys are so blind to complain about rooneys expulsion that you are far too blind to see if anyone has to complain about man hunting in the game is Portugal, but then as we dont have amateur press that is not given such extraordinary conspiracy theories as it is given arround here.

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  • 5.
  • At 11:31 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • michael wrote:

Germany should win and if not they still mastered a great world cup. They have won the Tournament already, whatever is ahead of them.

I am amazed about their football too, let alone the people and the way they welcomed the English. Thanks Germany, you couldn't have done more for us.
I had some great laughs with them and I felt ashamed for the preconceptions I had about the country that is culturally closest to us. Next time I see a red top newsreporter I will roll up the paper and smack it over his or her head.

And by the way, maybe it's about time to consign Jeremy Clarkson to the BBC Chronicles, for all his xenophobic and German-bashing remarks. The Germans have done their bit, maybe the BBC follows suit.

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  • 6.
  • At 11:32 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • michael wrote:

Germany should win and if not they still mastered a great world cup. They have won the Tournament already, whatever is ahead of them.

I am amazed about their football too, let alone the people and the way they welcomed the English. Thanks Germany, you couldn't have done more for us.
I had some great laughs with them and I felt ashamed for the preconceptions I had about the country that is culturally closest to us. Next time I see a red top newsreporter I will roll up the paper and smack it over his or her head.

And by the way, maybe it's about time to consign Jeremy Clarkson to the BBC Chronicles, for all his xenophobic and German-bashing remarks. The Germans have done their bit, maybe the BBC follows suit.

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  • 7.
  • At 11:36 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Ann Schmidt wrote:

All I can say to EnglandFan is - get a life and enjoy it in Germany. I've lived here for over 30 years and OK there was a bit of banter this morning so what, England lost on penalties - Again. Go out and enjoy the German games, the fans are fantastic and the country is really showing flag. I think is it Wunderbar and I really do hope they win, they have deserved it. I'm going to the Frankfurt arena tomorrow night to watch the Germany vs. Italy game on the big screen with 30.000 others, should be good fun and if the German loose they will be happy that they got to the semis. Why do the Brits always have to wine.

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  • 8.
  • At 11:36 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • JT wrote:

I have backed Germany from day one and placed a bet on them a week before the world cup began at 8/1 which I thought was fantastic odds considering the history of German football and the fact they are playing at home. I was also impressed by Klinsmann’s dedication to playing attractive attacking football and not relying on the old guard to see then through come on Deutschland

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  • 9.
  • At 11:37 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Manjit wrote:

I too hope Germany win the World Cup especially given Alan Hansen comments about them at the start of the World Cup which look very foolish indeed now.

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  • 10.
  • At 11:37 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • toby wrote:

Germany or France for me.

After the French performance against Brazil on Saturday I have to say they deserve to go through to the final. However I have a dreadful feeling that the Portuguese who let's face it cannot compete with a France team on this form, might sneak it again in a penalty shoot-out.

I would like the Germans to beat the Italians but again, with so much at stake I fear another 0-0 with the Italians going through on pens.

Fingers crossed for some early goals and outright victories in the semis and final. A world cup winner who had to rely on more than one penalty shoot-out isn't in my book a real winner.

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  • 11.
  • At 11:40 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Sam Lowry wrote:

I think the Germans have captured the hearts of many as the tournament has progressed, and surely the image of the world cup has to be that of Kahn and Lehmann putting all their previous acrimony (and there was a lot) behind them before that penalty shootout. That image was enough to make most fans hearts melt!

I don't know whether Germany are going to win it, but they deserve to for their refreshing approach. The French are the favourites for me at the moment, they have paced the tournament perfectly!

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  • 12.
  • At 11:46 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Jason Yannacopoulos wrote:

Good on you Mr Atherton, as an (English born) Anglo-Greek Uni student studyig German and Linguistics, I too am lending my supports to the host nation. I myself am very attached to the Germans and want them to win, that said I would not put them above the two nations whose blood is in my veins (England and Greece).

All I can say is "Auf gehts Deutschland schiesst ein Tor und winnen sie das Weltmeisterschaft aber nächste Mal, hüten sie sich vor die Engländer."

(Come on Germany, score a goal and win the World Cup, but next time, beware of the English)

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  • 13.
  • At 11:50 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Jason Yannacopoulos wrote:

Oh, by the way, I don't like seeing Germany refered to as our "arch-enemies", because the Germans don't see us as "arch-enemies". In fact they see us as friends so please be nice to the Germans and if you can't be nice to the Germans, then get a time machine and travel back to 1943!

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  • 14.
  • At 11:50 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • chantrybee wrote:

I fully agree. I saw PT vs Angola in Cologne and the Germans put on a great show. The weirdest bit was seeing a house in the old town with a German and English flag flying side-by-side; I couldn't have imagined that before the tournament.

Also, I remember my favourite chant from Euro 2004 was a bunch of Germans seeing a Liverpool flag and singing, in English, "we fu@k you England we do, ..." - I congratulated some Germans on their inventiveness and had a really good time with them.

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  • 15.
  • At 11:54 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • bobbylebonfire wrote:

re:pilotasso's query that there may be some prejudice aginst some cultures. Could it be that we naturally detest teams that simulate, dive and behave outrageously in order to get players carded, and I'm not only talking about Rooney here. Italy's and Portugal's games have been riddled with such incidents which is why nobody here is backing them. It's about fair play, heard of that?

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  • 16.
  • At 11:55 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Duncan J wrote:

Im another English fan supporting Germany for the world cup now. For the way they have run the competition, the way they have made all fans welcome, and for the sheer fact that having spent some time in Germany, I really like the place!

Come on the Germs! ;)

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  • 17.
  • At 11:55 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • febvre wrote:

i want france to win because i am french , so far i enjoyed the German too and want to meet them in the final , lving in england for the last 6 years i felt for you when you lost on penalties but i wish i could have seen a better football played by england .

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  • 18.
  • At 11:55 AM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Chris9973 wrote:

Hello England!!!

I am German and during the WorldCup and I have seen the match England-Ecuador in the stadium and I was talking to a lot of guys from England and I have to say that I haven't realized any of the prejudices that Germans have about the English (drinking to much, being aggressive...). NO, you have been wonderful football supporters and friends and I hope this will continue for a long long time. I hope the ones who came over felt the same way about prejudices towards the Germans. At the end of the day we all meet nice people everywhere and stupid old stories actually don't matter anymore, innit.

I was wishing to meet England in the final but - ??? - what is going wrong with all those penalties you miss? It's not funny anymore.

So, I hope you keep this WorldCup and Germany in good memory and we will party together during vacation and in two years in Austria and Switzerland!!!

Go on England!!!

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  • 19.
  • At 12:04 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Gianni wrote:

well, it was a good world cup for England. Should celebrate a drow with Trinidad and Tobago, think that's a success for England.

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Hello English Fans,

I´m German and had the luck to sit in the English Fan Block during the Quarter Final versus Portugal. I came withe a German Fan Shirt and I left with an English one! I never saw such a great Party that you´ve made in the beginning. O.K. after the match there was noc more Party, but before and during the Game it was great! I found very friendly and enthusiastic English friends, except of the amounts of Beer you´ve been drinking, there was none of the typicall Stereotypes came true! I would like to thank the English Fans that came to Germany and brought us their Spirit! "Time to make Friends" -I´ve made friends: English Fans! Don´t be sad about the End, we will do it this Time and see you in 2 Years in Switzerland/Austria to the EM!
So long.... Greetings from Cologne.

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  • 21.
  • At 12:07 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Andrew McGovern wrote:

Who'd have thought a Germany side would have been the shining example of good attacking football and showing the world how to play the game? They have gone out with the atitiude of 'we want to win', rather than the 'we don't want to lose' mentality of so many teams, England included. It has been a delight.

I really hope they do win. The tournament has been a fantastic success, and the players and country fully deserve a big celebration 'Julyfest'!

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  • 22.
  • At 12:09 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • isquish wrote:

Holding out for a Germany vs France final.

I've been really impressed by klose up front for Germany and I never get tired of seeing Henry play.

Whoever gets though, I hope we see a game full of attack and not on another bore draw win on penalties effort.

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  • 23.
  • At 12:15 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Mark wrote:

Well, I'm right behind Germany,too, as I've got them in the sweepstake at work!

I would have put up with runners-up to England, but now it's got to be a German victory and a nice celebration curry with a few Weissbiers!

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  • 24.
  • At 12:16 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Duncan J wrote:

hahaaha! Chris 9973, you made me snort juice out my nose when I read that;
"what is going wrong with all those penalities you miss? It's not funny anymore."

Bloody right its not funny anymore! Unfortunatley, our boys dont have ice running through their veins like your lot.. we get far too stressed by penalities and I think we've started to believe the voodoo about us being doomed to go out of tournaments whenever penalties come up. Still, was fun while it lasted, and Ill be cheering Germany on at the final. Might even buy a German flag! ...if there are any left in the shops!

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  • 25.
  • At 12:18 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Superjim wrote:

Germany here, too.
I'm not surprised to hear me say it, cos the Germans are bloody nice people.

Italy-Germany will be a good game, if the italians play.
Portugal-France will be a whitewash hopefully, with that nasty cocky little boy ronaldo sent off, see how he likes it. gotta say too, France-Brazil was a HELL of a game, well done. Italy to demolish portugal in the play off too!

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  • 26.
  • At 12:20 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Pilotasso wrote:

Last anonymous message was mine, forgot to write the name, sorry.

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  • 27.
  • At 12:24 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • tom mcwilliam-bourke wrote:

Roll-up-roll-up guys and gals, it's that time of the year again.

Yes, it's seek-a-scapegoat season in jolly old blighty.....and this year, it's...wait for it...portugal and poor christian ronaldo! Well surprise, surprise, me old cilla.

Face your footballing shortcomings and deal with them instead of bleating on and on about the aforementioned.

I really hope that poor christian ronaldo, a multi-talented footballer, whose like we seldom see, does move to Real very soon. Otherwise, he's going to have a very long and miserable winter in blighty....and what for....being a winner.


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  • 28.
  • At 12:25 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • dmc wrote:

It looks like it'll be a Germany France final, and although I think Germany will win it, I hope that France will.

Zidane is one of the best players the tournament has seen this year and as he's retiring at the end of this World Cup, it would be great if he could end on a high note.

A team is more than one player and France have shown that to be true. Who would have thought after their poor start, that they'd send Spain and Brasil home?

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  • 29.
  • At 12:25 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Steve wrote:

I hope Germany go and win the WORLD CUP as they are the ONLY team left in the last four that have not in my opinion CHEATED.Italy robbed Austrailia (poor ref)France robbed Spain who knows what would have happened without henry's dive(poor ref)Portugal robbed England Was it a stamp or trying to find footing after being fouled by 2 seperate portugal players and why was ronaldo not carded for trying to influence a ref's decision a rule clearly stated in FIFA's guidelines.Germany got there on Merit well done them.Maybe after the tournament Sepp Blatter may grow balls and impose hefty million pound plus fines to those players seeking to gain unfair advantage by play acting its about time individual fines and country fines topped the million pound mark each and stamp out this BAFTA award winning behaviour FOR those gifted enough to play the beautiful game.

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  • 30.
  • At 12:29 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Tim wrote:

i couldn't agree more. The germans have organised a fantastic world cup and appear to have a relatively honest team when compared to Italy and Portugal. I hope they win in front of their home fans. Come on the Germans!

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  • 31.
  • At 12:30 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Superjim wrote:

Pilotasso,
Rooney was right to be sent off, but I feel the ref was going for yellow until that whiny child with the leg spasms wheedled at the official.
the wink at the end from that boy, and alleged aggressive behaviour intended to snap the already wound up rooney was just outright dirty play.

dont take our attitudes in vain again. I wont tolerate cheating (brandishing imaginary cards and diving are the worst) from you, or especially us.

and the sending off would never have happened if Wayne was given the foul from a few seconds before, but he didnt dive, so didnt get it. but whats done is done.

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  • 32.
  • At 12:31 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • martin wellbourne wrote:

Spookily I have these exact same feelings. The German team have played the best football of the tournament, played fair and surprisingly seem to have rid themselves of the uglier elements of the game.
As far as Portugal are concerned, good luck to them, if they want to win by all costs, fair play, but I have a sneaking suspicion karma will come and get them.
A Thierry Henry swallow dive in the penalty area in the 89th minute anyone?
Karma.

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  • 33.
  • At 12:31 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Anonymous wrote:

Steve:

France robbed spain?

where did you park your flying saucer?

Portugall robbed the English? You mean penalsties? oops so did the geramans.

Get some glasses will ya? ;)

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  • 34.
  • At 12:31 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Mic Es wrote:

To be honest, I still cannot believe what I'm reading here. Thanks to all those English people in here who are going to support the German team from now on. Personally, I felt really sorry for the English team on saturday, even more so after they clearly played their best match in the tournament.

After several decades of rampant German-bashing in parts of the British media, it's really a positive novelty to hear a couple of different comments now. So thank you michael for saying from an English point of view "Germany is "the country culturally closest to us". That's exactly what I always thought - from a German point of view.

Anyhow: Let Jeremy Clarkson stay. Top Gear is my favourite on BBC World.


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  • 35.
  • At 12:35 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Martin wrote:

I really hope Germany go on to win. I also hope that France see off Portugal as I agree that they have spoiled things with their diving and play-acting (just as Porto did in UEFA and Champions League finals). However, I'm very happy that England are out as they simply never played to the standard required of World Champions.

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  • 36.
  • At 12:37 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Wes wrote:

Maybe its time somebody who hasn't won the cup before win it. That's Portugal.

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  • 37.
  • At 12:37 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • sophie wrote:

ive been supporting germany since the start. i think they are a brilliant team and they really deserve it :D

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  • 38.
  • At 12:40 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Duncan J wrote:

Another reason I like the Germans...

Watched an episode of the TV show "Grand Designs" a while back, and this lovely little old couple about to retire was getting a house built.

They had the plot of land, and they had this special pre-fab flat pack deal brought over from Germany by a German construction crew. All glass and wood, and customized just for them. A beaut, in theory! These German lads had the house, up, wired and ready to decorate in a week! It was unbelievable! German organization.. you have to love it!

Of course the one sole problem they had with the entire build was that a crane they needed to unpack their trucks didn't turn up on time... It was being driven by the one English fellah working on the build! typical.. Fortunatly the Germans had that eventaulity covered, and STILL got the build done with a day to spare. Germans. Genius!

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  • 39.
  • At 12:44 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Pilotasso wrote:

SuperJim:

The wink of C Ronaldo if proven to be a provocation torwards Rooney would have cost him his stay in the portugals team.
Are you surprised by this statement?
Bi phill has excluded excelent players out of the team for less. In the dutch game had not Portugal been dragged into a silly nerves war some of the players would have been sent home.

The wink has been stated in Portuguese press as taken seriously out of context on the part of the British press, wich by the way, missed the pats on the back on the dutch players after C Ronaldo was given a limp on the previous game.

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  • 40.
  • At 12:44 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • dipanna wrote:

I hate to point this out but Italy thrashed Germany 4-1 in a friendly not so long ago. This idea Germany are certain to beat Italy is ridiculous. The game will be extremely tight, as they always are when Italy and Germany play in the later stages of a major tournament. Germany will feel they have to attack Italy being the hosts and this will suit the Italians. Luca Toni has got the monkey of his back and there is no doubt that if Italy can supply him on the break he can win the game for the Azzurri. This game will be won or lost by the smallest of margins, and I remind everyone that Germany has never beaten Italy in the World Cup, Italy has beaten Germany twice, both times written off by many people.

France will win comfortably against Portugal, who looked very ordinary against England, though France are being overhyped because they beat Brazil (strange I say this as I put £10 on France at 11/1 at the start of the competition).

Winner of Italy - Germany will win the 2006 World Cup.

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  • 41.
  • At 12:45 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Reza wrote:

Now that England have gone out on penalties (again! :-() I would like nothing more than to see the greatest player of his generation to lift the World Cup - The great Zinedine Zidane who I think in the last two games has turned France into a force to be reckoned with again. It is because of his two man of the match performances and the team playing beautiful silky football, that I want them to go all the way. Nothing against Italy, Germany or Portugal (Of course!!)

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  • 42.
  • At 12:48 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Margot wrote:

England who?

I moved to Frankfurt from London almost 2 years ago now - and am loving the atmosphere that this world cup has brought to the town and to the country. It is awe inspiring to see the positive effect it has had on the national consciousness.

Shockingly I've been supporting Germany since the start for one simple fact: the party is going to rock when they win.

Berlin, Berlin, wir fahren nach Berlin!!!!! Jawohl!

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  • 43.
  • At 12:48 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Steve Calcott wrote:

I live here and I agree. From a footballing point of view and without bias, Klinsmann has achieved what no-one here in Germany could have believed before the World Cup - a side with no defence and playing average football before, is now playing as a team. Klose and Podolski have been outstanding. Come on Germany keep the feeling going. It is great to be here in this superb atmosphere that Franz and you (the German people) have created.

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  • 44.
  • At 12:50 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Ralph wrote:

@dipanna

It's funny i said winner of Argentina-Germany will win the cup, so your statement will still be true by default.

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  • 45.
  • At 12:50 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • JC wrote:

Germany to win, beating Portugal in the final (revenge) They've been a great team throughout the tournament, with inspiring football and no divers. England'll be back in 4 years time to win the world cup this time hopefully!

Good Luck Germany!

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  • 46.
  • At 12:58 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Sebastian wrote:

Thanks Michael,

I fully agree with your comment. I am a German living in London and I love it because I think you are right, we are culturally very close. Hope the friendship, that was always there on a private basis, improves further through the positive reactions that even the English press shows in the meantime.

By the way, even from the point of view of fanatic German football fans (like me), there was only one archrival for Germany: Holland.

In fact, we always support England when Germany is not playing. I also fly St. George along the German flag.

So come on England, see you next time, hopefully in the final!

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  • 47.
  • At 12:59 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • ginko wrote:

Enough of this pathetic comments about not wanting Italy or Purtugal to win it because they promote diving and cheating in the game!!! Fair play? Yes we have heard of it, but has Rooney? Should Alan Shearer really say that if he were Rooney he would punch Ronaldo when the two meet each other at United? Now let me ask a question to you, have you heard of "Sour Grapes"?

You English only have yourselves and the pressure you put on the poor players to blame for your exit, not the Italians or the Portuguese. Now go ahead and support Germany, after all it's the Argentinian's fault if they ended up punching and kicking each other after the game, isn't it?

As for the Australians, you have a long long way to go before you start understanding the rules of football, which is not a version of rugby played with the feet, by the way.

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Me too. They've been great. So great that we've recorded a song for them - Mid-table, appropriately enough, is the English version. Translates into German as Durchsnitt. Have a listen at www.myspace.com/fracturedinfo

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  • 49.
  • At 01:08 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • rick samimi wrote:

I agree with Paul......this time around Germany have consistently provided exciting attacking football with their trademark "never say die" attitude back.
They have done with their limited resources what England did not manage to do with a much better calibre of players.

They have also played it fair...haven't dived like Klinsman used to, and scored some wonderful goals

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  • 50.
  • At 01:09 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • omar nasser wrote:

i think all nuetrals should want france to win, as football lovers we should always want zizou to bow out of the game in style.

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  • 51.
  • At 01:10 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Ash wrote:

I hope France win it. Not because I like the country or the people because I don't.

I want them to win it so Zidane lifts the trophy. He has been the one player that has consistently amazed me as I've grown up, and I think it would be a fitting tribute to see a man I consider to be one of the very best there has ever been lift the trophy in his last match before he retires.

He may not have been at his best over the past couple of seasons, but he has come alive for this tournament and I really respect him.

Best of luck ZZ.

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  • 52.
  • At 01:10 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • anne of paris wrote:

Pound for pound, I believe the French team has what it takes to beat clinical Germany.

I just hope that their goalkeeper in this World Cup won't commit the same atrocity their goalkeeper did in the match between France and Germany in the 1982 World Cup. Although people don't talk about how Germans can be surgical in their approach even to sports, we must remind them to play fair because, clinical doesn't have to be "surgical".

I will support Les Bleus all the way - Zinedine Zidane cannot be outclassed or outgunned by any German football crack today.

In any case, I have no illusion that France can beat Germany hands down so I say, "Allez Les Bleus, Allez!"

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  • 53.
  • At 01:14 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Miguel wrote:

England did play well. So did Portugal in a farly palyed game.

Rooney was well sent off. Anyone who says he wasn´t ... gat a life!

Ronaldo can´t be blamed. Only Rooney can.

Best thing Ronaldo can do is move away from Manchester. You guys just don´t deserve him.

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  • 54.
  • At 01:14 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Moondog wrote:

I read here that Italy cheated Australia.

How so? Because the ref gave a penalty that was a 50/50 ?

Let's remember that the Aussie's didn't have one shot on goal, were very boring, didn't take advantage when in mumerical superiority, and the italian defender was sent off very unfairly. (Fifa acknowledged this)

Italy are in the best shape physicaly out of the 4, have the best forwards and the best defenders.

So I'm very suprised that no-one considers them eventual winners.

I personally think that France will win it has things seem to be falling their way.

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  • 55.
  • At 01:15 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Thierry S. wrote:

I hope that Zidane will lift the World Cup after his last match on the 9th of July. I think that France are now the best football team in the world. they have showed it on the pitch. They combine gifted and creative players in a very effective way and yet their team spirit is their main strength.
But I respect the other 3 teams left: they all great competitors and produced great football at times.
I have found some players and coaches of the loosing sides very arrogant before and after the games. The way you play is what should do the talking. It's time to learn from Zidane: competitiveness, class and modesty.

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  • 56.
  • At 01:16 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Matt wrote:

I am English, and of course supported England, but after watching France on Saturday, it really helped me get over England. "Zihou" was amazing, and as good as I've seen him, and the whole team played with a great togetherness, intelligence, beauty and class. For me, this how the beautiful game should be played. They look like they've still got another gear to go up into, so hoping for more wonderful things to come against Portugal.

P.S. - also glad it's going to be shown on the BBC, well done BBC for fantastic coverage so far.

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  • 57.
  • At 01:18 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • FootyFan wrote:

I want France to win the world cup, purely for ZiZou. His performance during the Brazil game is the finest single perofrmance of any player I have ever seen in a World Cup Finals game, EVER.

That man deserves awinners medal for that 90 minutes alone.

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  • 58.
  • At 01:23 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • elias wrote:

As a host nation reaching this stage is enough for Germany.But for them to go and win it will take everything from the competition.We should remeber that germany beat argentina far worst way than the portugise did to england with the help of the REF that blows the for every germany player who goes to ground.It even remided me the 1990 finals.I realy want the french to go and win it for the sake of the greate Zidane.

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  • 59.
  • At 01:23 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Blake wrote:

Strange - I was saying the same thing once I'd started to recover from the trauma of England going out.

I want Germany to win partly because of the warm welcome they gave us when we went out to follow England, and partly because of the the way the team has played so far.

Also being a Spurs fan it's good to see Jurgen doing well after all the critics he had.

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  • 60.
  • At 01:40 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • pat wrote:

i want Germany to win for as they have actually played good football and not cheated in any game.

With Ronaldo's assist in getting Rooney sent off, there is no way I would support Portugal.I hope its notFrance because Henry cheated particularly on getting France's second goal againgst Spain. I don't like Henry anyway because he is an arrogrant jumped up over rated fool. (and plays for Arsenal which is good enough reason to dislike him) Italy I do like but still i go for Germany.

Ideally France beat Portugal so we can laugh at Ronaldo's tears, then Germany (or Italy) beat France

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  • 61.
  • At 01:42 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • IJ wrote:

I agree, we went to Germany to watch England's group matches and found the German people to be so friendly. We watched the first Germany game in Frankfurt, in the large fan arena on the edge of the river. The support for germany, as you'd imagine was huge and very lively. All the Germans there were so friendly, shaking our hands, saying they would be supporting England in our games, and hoping for a Germany Vs England final. This was not what I expected from the German fans, and has completely changed my feelings about the Germans and the German football team. C'mon Germany!

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  • 62.
  • At 01:43 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • matt Gofton wrote:

RE Ginko & Pilotasso

I've been out to the world cup and im rooting for Germany. Its amazing how you belive what is wrote in the press, My view of Germany and german people is completly different. I would like to thank all of the nation for the best 18 days of my life.

As for the obviously short sighted ginko and pilotasso, you obviously dont understand football is a CONTACT sport. You are proud of your players representing the your nation, throwing themself on the ground at the nearest gust of wind? I ask you this, if anybody is genunily hurt when do you see them rolling over 3 times, amazingly the pop up to their feet as soon as they see a card? FIFA needs to cut this out before the next world cup. Yes Rooney deserved a straight red for what he did but, did you not see the 2 players getting a piggy back off him before hand. He did not cheat (unlike yourselfs) he played as a true footballer stayed on his feet, due to pure strength which is a skill no portugeese player has ever had!I belive this fustration for not getting the foul lead to his card. If the portugal players can write their own rules then why should he not?

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  • 63.
  • At 01:44 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Peterpunk wrote:

I think you all forgot about the semi-final Germany have still to play, and it is vs Italy; not so sure the Germans will win...

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  • 64.
  • At 01:54 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Ajala wrote:

While all the bile against Xtiano Ronaldo? Oh sorry, I almost forgot, wasn’t he the one who put a gun to Wayne Rooney's head forcing him to attempt the castration of a fellow professional on a football field

Is that the only reason behind the visceral dislike against Ronaldo or has it got something to do with the towering self belief and authority with which he took his penalty compared to the craven failure of nerve of "two of Europe’s best midfielders" Steven Gerard and his fellow bottler Frank Lampard. I'll never forget the look of pure terror on both of their faces (and also Carragher) when they shuffled up to take the biggest spot kick of their lives.

Three lions?, more like 3 mice.

Want to get Ronaldo out of the premiership? Then who will teach English players how to play penalties?

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  • 65.
  • At 01:57 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Private wrote:


I've read many of the posts and my jaw just dopped - for example:

"Portugal - too greasy and spend too much time rolling around. (Call me evil but I also want to see Ronaldo in tears)"

"I expect our neighbors France to send those slimy little Portugese back down to their little strip of the Atlantic coast where they came from..."

… Italy or Portugal promote diving and cheating in the game.

And the British press talks about the Portuguese loss of temper!?

Boy, if these aren’t a bunch of soar looses I don’t know what is. Have you guys been watching the same games as the rest of the world? Check the statistics overall Portugal even has less fouls than the England!!!

Then I find it funny, that a number of posters have appealed to fair play. Give me a break!!! Most of these guys need a wake up call and a cup of stong coffee to open up their eyes! What part of Rooneys fair play have you been talking about - His crushing his opponents groin or was it his shoving of Ronaldo? – Ohh I’m sorry, he didn’t crush his opponent’s groin he was “finding footing” as someone said, and it wasn’t a shove it was a pat! Come on...

I find it incredible that Ronaldo is being crucified by the Brits, when in fact they should be honoured to have him play in their country. After the comments I’ve seen, you don’t deserve players like him – in truth he would be much better off playing in Spain.

mcwilliam-bourke – congratulation on your post – very lucid!

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  • 66.
  • At 01:57 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • joerg wrote:

Saturday was the first time I - being a German - was in favour of an English team. I found Ronaldo´s play acting (diving) in that game and against the Dutch disgusting. And England just played better than the Portuguese.

The Italians will be a tough nut to crack for the German team. In fact I cannot remember that we´ve beaten them in a major tournament at all in the last 40 years...

So I fear (but do not hope) that it will be Italy vs France in the finals.

But I am looking forward to seeing at least two more games with Zidane - he just plays so magically.

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  • 67.
  • At 02:02 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • ian wrote:

well seen as they couldn't muster a goal against a poor england (I'm english, but also a realist) I can't see portugal beating france... No sour grapes, but there's no smoke without fire.. rooney was wrong to kick out, but he had been fouled.. and whenever do you see english players asking for opponents to be carded.. what irritates me, as why outstanding players like ronaldo and deco resort to such tactics.. remember deco in the uefa cup final against celtic.??

germany italy could be a classic.. germany are scoring freely, and italy are coming together nicely.. I am looking forward to that game very much.. If germany win, I see them beating france in the final.. Italy..?? well, that would be a great final vs france but could go either way..

as for england - we deserved to go out because we didn't perform - forget the penalties..

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  • 68.
  • At 02:04 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Greg wrote:

Hi England,

I'm feeling very sorry you dropped out against Portugal on Saturday. I was sure you'd get your revenge against big Phil this time and kept my fingers crossed all the way long. When I met some English fans that morning in the tram, we agreed England would win 2-1, but, unfortunately, it was again not meant to be.

I don't know why England is so bad at taking penalties, it was really painful to watch. Hope you'll break this curse one day!

Best wishes from Cologne :)

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  • 69.
  • At 02:07 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • bobbylebonfire wrote:

Apart from ginko n pilotasso/anonymous, I am so very surprised to see unanimity breaking out on this blog and as far as i can see its because of the way germany and france have PLAYED. Yes, us england supporters are a bit bitter about our exit, but others have also seen what we saw and i think that the national reputations of portugal and italy have suffered as a result..win the battle to lose the war. IT's sickening to everybody except your own supporters to see those trapaceiros (cheaters) diving and rolling over and over (do they get dizzy doing that?). Thats why we want France to trash u all!

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  • 70.
  • At 02:11 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Kevin wrote:

Germany deserve to win it. They have been the best team in the competition (note use of the word TEAM i.e. not a collection of over-rated selfish individuals) and have played the most positive football. And all this when nobody gave them a hope before the tournament started. The country has also laid on what is arguably the best World Cup for travelling fans that there has ever been. COME ON GERMANY! You deserve it.

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  • 71.
  • At 02:11 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • martin wellbourne wrote:

re the idiots defending Cristiano Ronaldo

Wayne Rooney in that 30 seconds before he got sent off showed more sporting spirit and determination than any of your face clutching, imaginary card waving, fight the officials after losing, roll around on the floor feigning injury countrymen ever will.

The thing is, if Wayne Rooney stamped on your balls, you wouldnt get up again. ever.

So I hope some of this invective goes the way of Ricardo Carvalho, next season, when Chelsea roll into town, the injury feigning cheat.

speaking as a united fan, I offer to personally pack Cristiano Ronaldos bags for him.

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  • 72.
  • At 02:12 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Mario wrote:

Wow it is so nice witnessing this new born honeymoon between the English and the Germans….
I quite like this and I hope even the most populist among the English tabloids will accept from now on that maybe WWII can be forgotten about when talking about Germany.

Now what has Italy done to get stick by some of the bloggers?
Italy deservedly came through the toughest group, had a tough game against Australia (decided by a controversial penalty, but also influenced by an absurd direct red card against Materazzi) and deservedly won against Ukraine.

Italy might not be flashy, inspiring or whatever, but it should anyway command respect (for the achievements in this and all the past WC) and I hope this will be your opinion on Tuesday evening may Italy win or lose.

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Well, as a pure football fan, I'm glad we're out of the World Cup. We were mediocre at best and in no way would we have deserved to win the competition.

As a pure England fan, I'm gutted beyond words. Almost a full 48 hours since we made our usual exit, I still feel physically sick. This was supposed to be our year! Truly, truly gutted.

This is made all the worse by the fact that only last week, I got my hands on one of six semi-final tickets (all acquired through legal and official sources, I might add). Now I'm destined to watch Portugal and France. A spectacle, nonetheless, but not one I would've hoped to be watching. I had my heart set on a classic England vs. Brazil semi, but, alas, t'is not to be.

Now, who do I hope wins? Without any shadow of a doubt, GERMANY! They appear to have been excellent hosts for the competition, and I really like the country and the people, having visited a number of times in the past. So... and I never thought I'd hear myself say this... COME ON GERMANY!!

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  • 74.
  • At 02:16 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Mario wrote:

Wow it is so nice witnessing this new born honeymoon between the English and the Germans….
I quite like this and I hope even the most populist among the English tabloids will accept from now on that maybe WWII can be forgotten about when talking about Germany.

Now what has Italy done to get stick by some of the bloggers?
Italy deservedly came through the toughest group, had a tough game against Australia (decided by a controversial penalty, but also influenced by an absurd direct red card against Materazzi) and deservedly won against Ukraine.

Italy might not be flashy, inspiring or whatever, but it should command respect (for the achievements in this and all the past WC) and I hope this will be your opinion on Tuesday evening may Italy win or lose.

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  • 75.
  • At 02:18 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Ian Healey wrote:

Of course Germany. Not because I live here and have been made very welcome. Not because my wife is German and my children half German. Certainly not because I work for a German company. But because Germany are an attacking team, that try to score goals first and worry about the defence afterwards. And because Juergen Klinsmann was courageous enough to change the system. Don't forget - football is fun and is about putting the ball in the back of the net. I'm as saddened as anyone that England weren't capable of this.

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  • 76.
  • At 02:19 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • richard horton wrote:

I want Germany to win, they have all the qualities to win the world cup, all the qualities England lack.
They play as a team. (How many shots did Lampard have, not one was converted)
They are well organised.(Rooney up front on his own was a disaster)
Evidence shows they have practiced penalties. (Carragher said after the match he wasn't aware he had to wait for the whistle, not organised at all)
They have bottle. (Englands player under most pressure who delivered was Owen Hargreaves who plays in the Bundesliga)
Come on Germany, take note England

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  • 77.
  • At 02:19 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Rich wrote:

Pilotasso,
i don't think its bad losers posting on this board, its just we don't like the way you play. Figo kicked in the face??????it was a tap and it was accidental, which as far i as could see was the same as wayne Rooneys challenge whilst trying to get to his feet and being fouled. OK he got a probably deserved red card as the poor defender will be talking like he's on helium for the next few weeks, but in reality, what we want is the game to be played in the right spirit. Its a game for highly paid athletes, who are supposed to be men!!!! Bear in mind our second sport in the UK is Rugby, where men don't moan about a small collision, or clutch their faces whenever a shoelace hits their shinpads. The game is supposed to be fast paced, and physical, the reason that england fans might start supporting the germans is because Portugal and especially Italy take the spirit out of the game. I thought there was a fifa directive to book players who run over brandishing invisible cards, why then do the likes of Portugal and Italy get away with it week in week out. They feign injury, until a card is produced under pressure and then jump up as if nothing had happenned. If the england/portugal game had been refereed by the man in the middle from the Argentina/Germany game, you probably would have had half a team left in the end.
OK you got some rough stuff from the Dutch but thats what frustration does to players who think you play like a bunch of pre-school girls. YOU BRING IT UPON YOURSELVES!!!.

Come on germany, and show these ponces how football is supposed to be played, England were rubbish, at least Germany play it in the spirit we expect it to played!!!

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  • 78.
  • At 02:25 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Glenys Hoddle wrote:


I have to agree, if you had of told me during the 1990 World Cup when I was squirming watching Klinsman diving about the place playing in possibly the most boring cup final ever, that he would become a Tottenham hero, then years later have me cheering on the most exciting German team ever, and the only semi-final team playing glorious football (Zidane excepted) in the 2006 World Cup I would have checked you into the nuthouse round the corner. Never would have believed it.

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  • 79.
  • At 02:29 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Mic Es wrote:

Please come off it, Elias! You don't really MEAN the ref was biased in Argentina vs Germany? Even the argentine media didn't say that (but rather asked Pekerman why Riquelme had to leave so early).

And please come off it, Anne of Paris! What is clinical about the way the Germans play? And thank you very much for reminding us of Toni Schumacher vs Battiston in 1982. Goodness, that was 24 years ago and besides, Schumacher apologized and Battiston accepted.

I'm somewhat relieved German-bashing did not vanish altogether... The beast is still alive. All it did was move to another place.

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  • 80.
  • At 02:29 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • tmendes wrote:

I have to say that I am amazed with the comments I have read so far ...
So Portugal is to be blamed for Rooney's violent agression ?? I can accept that England defended really well with 10 men, that they played well against Portugal and that Portugal was unable to take full benefit of numerical superiority ...
That Portugal reached the semi-finals with irregular exhibitions and that those players have potential for so much more ... But england played really bad througout the whole tournament, scored few goals ( I can remember Crouch scoring while pushing an opponent )and did nothing to deserve the positive reviews of any fan ...
At least Portugal has a great goalkeeper that decides games, and scored brilliant goals against Iran, Mexico and Holland ...
Much more than you can say about your squad.
If Cristiano Ronaldo is now someone to hate ... shouldn't you focus your anger and lack of sportsmanship on Rooney for being such a violent bully, and for Ericsson being such a conservative and defensive coach ... Learn to admire Ronaldo, Mourinho, Ricardo Carvalho, and other great Portuguese that brought some quality to your football.

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  • 81.
  • At 02:31 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Tyll wrote:

I'm German and of course I want my team to win. But the French display of wit and courage in their great game against Brazil made me fan of France, too. A final between Germany and France would be sooo great and while I'd cheer for Germany I'd be happy enough for Zizou+10 to win the Cup. To me them both are the most convincing teams in this tournament.

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  • 82.
  • At 02:31 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • ian wrote:

until fifa stamps down (no pun intended) on all this non-football cheating (diving, feigning injury, pleading for an opponent to be carded etc) it will carry on..

it disgusts me to see a player down, supposedly hurt, who gets up when the opponent gets a card.. and any player mimicking the brandishing of a card should be given an instant yellow.. it would soon stop this unwelcome practice..

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  • 83.
  • At 02:40 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Pippa wrote:


the difference between England and Germany: Klinsmann is up there screaming and shouting at the players, driving them on, Eriksson would merely smooth his bald spot.
Germany deserve to win: I live in Münster and when England went out on Saturday I resolved to become German. Fickle maybe, but fun. If you can't beat em', join em' !

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  • 84.
  • At 02:42 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • vishwanath wrote:

Hi.i am vishwanath from INDIA.i am a die-hard germany fan(and liverpool fan)rite from the day i started watching football.I luv the die-hard spirit of the germans.The never-say-die attitude.
Infact i am fan of england as well(after germany) and all these years it was really sad to see germany and england going at each other.
But it is refreshing to see people on this link changing their opinions positively.
See i am from india, a nation colonised by england.So to show animosity i shd. have always opposed them.
But i always believe in forgetting and forgiving anything bad tht. happened.Lets focus on the present and future.
I appeal to the english to stop the raucous abt. germany's hitleresque past.why dont u remember tht. germany is not abt. hitler??

I want germany to win this WC.
But i also want great friendship btwn. Germany and england.

3 cheers for a glorious future for England and germany.

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  • 85.
  • At 02:50 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Aaron Forrester wrote:

Without a shadow of a doubt Germany should win.......I used to be one of those people who slated everything german......until I fell for one. I've been out there so many times now, and can happily say I have never felt more welcome in a country and by a people that wasn't my own.Germany have shown tenacity, grit, guts and flare. There coach has shown tactics you would expect from an army general of old. As for ronaldo yes he's a little toe-rag but let's not forget who the numty was who pushed him, two foot from the ref!!!!! We did excellently to hold an undefeated (in 16-19 matches) side, with 10 men for an hour, but the blame must rest squarely on our shoulders.....we weren't "robbed", we just fluffed it up as usual.

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  • 86.
  • At 02:51 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Peter wrote:

The one and only time Germany played a really good team, they were'nt impressive at all. In fact, Argentina easily deserved victory. I did'nt see a lot of the famous "free flowing football" the Germans were supposedly playing before that game, neither.
And then, I've had it with the home team winning the WC. The French squad of '98 might have won the tournament had it been played in another country - we'll never know, but they were very very strong. But this German team? Never ever.
I won't support them (they've got 70.000 supporters in the stadium already, not counting the stadium speaker who deemed it necessary to ask for support for the German team). So GO you Français, Italiani & Portugueses!

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  • 87.
  • At 02:54 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • David O. wrote:

To me i was a bit disappointed when england was out, Portugal do not even deserve to enter quarter finals! They are just playing unfair games, diving like fools and referees running into thier traps for a reason no one knows? I think they should be humiliated out of the tournament with an outstanding defeat. Germany is my team to support, they deserve it just as much as england does

really France, I wish they were out a long time ago... not that i do not like them but they are not just what Id want to see hold the cup this time?

Kinda happy they knocked brazil out though, cos Brazil took too much for granted, wish Argentina was still in, they deserved better i think, Italy have just been lucky...

But really Germany all the way!

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  • 88.
  • At 02:56 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Pilotasso wrote:

Rich:

The kick in the face I mentioned hapened in mexico game and he bled.

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  • 89.
  • At 02:56 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Scott Nichols wrote:

Have to agree. After spending a week with German friends in both Dortmund and Saarland i have to say my perception of the German people has totally changed.
I was totally overwhelmed by the hospitality shown to me by the German people their openness, enthusiasm and willingness to make sure i was having a great time.
I watched the Poland vs Germany game in a Dortmund bar just half a mile from the stadium 40% Polish, 59% German and me. As the goal went in i jumped, cheered, hugged and danced in the shower of beer as if i was born again German.
Klinsman has a touchline enthusiasm that reminds me of that shown by Martin O'Neil when manager of Leicester (they were the days) he appears to kick every ball and experience every tackle.
A shame our celebrity footballers didn't have a similar type (12th man) on the bench instead of the withdrawn and clueless looking Sven.

Come on GERMANY!

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  • 90.
  • At 03:01 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • David wrote:

I am staggered by the depth of bad feeling towards the portuguese in this blog ,the various comments about diving are just ridiculous have you forgotten that England only beat Argentina in the last world cup because Michael Owen dived to win a penalty?
In the Holland game the Portuguese were more sinned against than sinning Boulahrouz and Van Bommel both tried to put Ronaldo out of the match in the first 15 mins with outrageous tackles and Van Bommel, Van Persie, Kuyt and Robben were diving all over the place throughout the entire game but still you persist with this nonsense that northern europeans are somehow more honest than southern europeans.
I think your problem is that contrary to all the evidence you still persist in the misaprehention that England is a major force in world football and you can't accept that you were beaten by a nation you consider to be inferior.

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  • 91.
  • At 03:01 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • four doors down wrote:

Well, Pilatosso,

I've read your posts: the ones you've signed, and the ones where you've been too full of your own self-righteousness to remember to fill in your (almost very apt) pseudonym.
Pilotasso by name,
Pile o'toss by nature.

So, tell me, have the Portguese football team, or any of their players, or any of the staff, ever done anything wrong ever in their entire lives? I heard Figo got a parking ticket when he was 17, but that's probably just evil propaganda from the British press as usual. Scholari is a paragon of virtue after all, isn't he?

Figo received an elbow in the face against the Netherlands. And this is something FIFA is cracking down on so, fair enough, the Dutchman was sent off. And what about Figo's headbutt a little earlier? Of course, I'm sure he was provoked and it was entirely the BBC camerman's fault.

I'd like to quote you on this, from Post 6:
"'A week and a half ago there were English chants "there were 4 bombers in the air..." on german streets.
Now you support them? Just shows some people how they kid themselves."

That's interesting. Because one group of fans sang anti-German songs it means the whole English nation is not allowed to support Germany now? If you can make such sweeping generalisations, am I not entitled to think that all Portguese are whining, cheating, greasy, girly-looking, shirt-lifting divers whose greatest achievement in football was to lose to England in 1966?
Fair enough.

There's only one person kidding themself on this Blog, and that's you with your unswerving belief that the Portuguese team an innocent of all crimes. When you look at your team from a more neutral view - hey, try asking some Germans what they think of the Portuguese football team - you'll see that your players aren't angels, but they are a bunch of choir-boys.

P.S. Come on Germany!!

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  • 92.
  • At 03:04 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • SARS in their eyes (SWFC 11) wrote:

A tough one this:

Germany - Traditional mortal rivals, however, they play fair and well and have been model hosts

Italy - On the one hand a bunch of corrupt, psychotic cheats, on the other hand they could do with something to cheer about

France - Again traditional rivals, however, they are now playing a fine brand of flair football, shades of rather cynical acting on occasion

Portugal - Diving, cynical, violent cheats

Putting that altogether it's basically a choice of whether to cheer on Ruud Van Nistelrooy & Wayne Rooney going medieval on Cristian Ronaldo's ass to either a fine French red or German beer

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  • 93.
  • At 03:04 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Tobias wrote:

Wow, with so much english support ... I just hope we don´t loose to Italy in penalties ;-)) Well, at least we would have even more in common then.

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  • 94.
  • At 03:05 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • john-henry wrote:

Thanks Vishwanath for his comment No 81.
In my opinion you expressed the true meaning of such a tournament. Anyone who sees football as an excuse to trade insults and to indulge in animosities is fundamentally wrong in his ideas about sport in general, it's great value in international relationships and therefore, simply speaking: PEACE on earth.
Thank god we have this opportunity to even see Iran and the US in one big celebration of nations.

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  • 95.
  • At 03:06 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Carsten wrote:

As a German, working for an English company here in Germany, I´m VERY, VERY delighted to see so many people here, that changed their minds regarding the "new Germany". I think 60 years after WW II its finally time to get rid of stupid prejudices against each other.
There has been a lot of friendly, funny and beer-drinking party over here during the worldcup. All nations together as one big crowd. And even if we should lose against Italy that can´t be taken from us.
To get YOUR support means a lot in our eyes!

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  • 96.
  • At 03:07 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Converted Football fan wrote:

I love this thread!

I am a Scot and lived in Germany for three years. I have always raved about Germany as a great country with wonderful kind and colourful people but had the feeling that my ravings fell on deaf ears.

I have supported the German team from the start (along with England I must add) because of their spirit and their simple approach - they want to play football and they want to win for their fans. That's it. Klinsmann is fantastic and has given his team such an unfaltering self-belief (even in the face of much criticism) which I think will take them to the final.

That being said, what I find most heart warming about this World Cup is the reception the rest of the world has received in Germany and how the rest of the world has embraced it and partied with the Germans. Its great to see that their efforts in hosting this World Cup have paid off and that so many people now have such a positive view of Germany and its people - its about time. Being a Scot, I am of course fiercely patriotic and am delighted that the Germans are now once again daring to wave their flag and have those same feelings of pride and love for their country.

Somebody said above that if the German's were knocked out now they would still have won the tournament, I couldn't agree more - but I am pretty sure, that is never going to happen :o)

Wir gehen, wir gehen, wir gehen nach Berlin!!

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  • 97.
  • At 03:08 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Christian Mascher wrote:

I am German and surprised too about the way the German team played so far and the German public celebrates this world cup.

First time in my life a kind of proudness rises up. It is very unusual to show national signs in Germany.

Above all I really dislike teams doing the diver in the crunch time to get a penalty. This is the reason why Italy doesn't deserve to win.
You will not see such behaviour with German players (except of some Ballack actions). Klose would rather try to make the goal than to rise up his hands and to scream like being shot in the penalty area.

The FIFA should give red cards to those actors after the game therefore this unfair stuff disappears from the football fields.

I would be very appreciated if the English support the German team in the next games.
Germany is not only culturally close to England but also in their style to play the game.

I still remember the '96 semi final as one of the greatest matches I ever saw.

And as a last note: In my home town LEIPZIG there are many people wearing the 3 lions shirt.

SCHLAND! SCHLAND!

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  • 98.
  • At 03:09 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Carsten wrote:

As a German, working for an English company here in Germany, I´m VERY, VERY delighted to see so many people here, that changed their minds regarding the "new Germany". I think 60 years after WW II its finally time to get rid of stupid prejudices against each other.
There has been a lot of friendly, funny and beer-drinking party over here during the worldcup. All nations together as one big crowd. And even if we should lose against Italy that can´t be taken from us.
To get YOUR support means a lot in our eyes!

Next time we´ll meet in a friendly, it should end with penalties (regardless from the "real result"). Just for training reasons to finally get this curse from your shoes.

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  • 99.
  • At 03:10 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Keith wrote:

I've lived in Germany for 18 years and have children who are half German but I have never been quite able to find the enthusiasm to support their football team until this World Cup. Taking them up on their motto "the world as guests with friends", I donned my England shirt and went to celebrate the victory over Argentina at the fan party in Ulm. What happened to me there left me shocked and disappointed. I was verbally abused and pushed down some steps by a group of partying German youths. I only just managed to keep my balance which prevented me from being injured. All I can say now is "Come on Italy"!

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  • 100.
  • At 03:11 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Martin K wrote:

I want Portugal to win. At least we'll have lost to the champions.

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  • 101.
  • At 03:11 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • john-henry wrote:

Thanks Vishwanath for his comment No 81.
In my opinion you expressed the true meaning of such a tournament. Anyone who sees football as an excuse to trade insults and to indulge in animosities is fundamentally wrong in his ideas about sport in general, it's great value in international relationships and therefore, simply speaking: PEACE on earth.
Thank god we have this opportunity to even see Iran and the US in one big celebration of nations.

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  • 102.
  • At 03:12 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • francine benjamin wrote:

Thank you!!!
At last someone is saying what I've been saying from the start of this World Cup! Germany have been the most consistent team so far. And they've been tested against decent opposition. Argentina and Brazil were left wanting when they came up against quality teams. Italy haven't been tested yet, France have just woken up, no comment re: Portugal!
They'll never be more motivated, I can't recall them looking so good! So with the demise of my beloved adopted England I say "Come On Germany!"

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  • 103.
  • At 03:13 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Martin wrote:

I'm going for Germany vs. France in the final too, for many of the reasons given above. Look, very few English fans are trying to suggest that Rooney didn't deserve to get sent off. Of course he did. But what annoys so many is that if he'd just dived when the first challenge came in, then he'd have won a free kick and the outcome MAY (possibly) have been different.

To be honest, neither Holland nor Portugal deserved to go through from that game, it was absolutely appalling. Blame the referee if you will, but he had to work with what he was given and the tackles (and the dives) from both sides brought the game into disrepute far more than the refereeing.

So, what do the England players do? Do they see that simulation and diving is the way to prosper, and so start doing it themselves? What is the alternative?

I have to say I hate it every bit as much on the odd occasion that I've Steven Gerrard or Michael Owen or whoever dive in an England shirt. It's not "who's the best football team", it's "who can con the referee the best", and as soon as that happens I'm afraid I lose interest in the game.

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  • 104.
  • At 03:14 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • jh wrote:

Thanks Vishwanath for his comment No 81.
In my opinion you expressed the true meaning of such a tournament. Anyone who sees football as an excuse to trade insults and to indulge in animosities is fundamentally wrong in his ideas about sport in general, it's great value in international relationships and therefore, simply speaking: PEACE on earth.
Thank god we have this opportunity to even see Iran and the US in one big celebration of nations.

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  • 105.
  • At 03:17 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Marcel Dubois wrote:

Before England can WIN it must first learn how to be good LOSERS!!!! Its as simple as that. Rooney is a highly talented / "potential" world class player, but his consistent lack of discpline reflects very poorly on the rest of the team. Its simply not credible that Ronaldo asked for a RED card!!! Plus a referee of Olizondo's experience is not easily influenced by the "heat of the moment" as a player would. England were NEVER NEVER tested throughout this tournament. They played valiantly w/ one man down but in the end they simply didn't live up to the HYPE, which the English media are very good at. GO the the www.guardian.co.uk and read the intelligent commentary from Bobby Robson and others.

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  • 106.
  • At 03:18 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Chris Hogan wrote:

Just clicked into this website purely by chance, I was looking for Ronaldo's address (joking)..Just want to say that although an avid Arsenal supporter my loyalties should be with Henry and Co. However, I have been impressed with the Germans even though the back four started off a bit shakey. Jens Lehman in my book, has gone right up in my estimations. The performance in the champions league and his penalty save again in the last game was superb. Like you said, I simply cannot believe I'm supporting the Germans but hey,there you have it.

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  • 107.
  • At 03:19 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Steven Dimech wrote:

I was lucky enough to be at the Germany, Argentina 1/4 final on Friday. I'm English through and through but you can't help admire how 'Klinsi' has got his squad and now his countrymen believing in themselves again. And, of course, they simply don't lose on penalties!
I also noted the sarcastic comments aimed towards Maradona and how he should go home.(ha ha)
The Germans have organised a great competition and the spirit has beeen just right. I have no problem rooting for them and only hope that England can learn some useful lessons.

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  • 108.
  • At 03:21 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Kathy wrote:

The Germans play spectacular football. Fast and exciting! They are a good team. They deserve to be champions.

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  • 109.
  • At 03:24 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Kenny Greig wrote:

For those that haven't seen it, watch the clip until the end. What exactly is Ronaldo up to before the game has even started? Will FIFA investigate this? Most likely not because Rooney is not prone to falling over and rolling around. Admittedly not really a headbutt, but certainly not in the spirit of the game. Poor old David Beckham if Ronaldo goes to Madrid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylMqeyMgsxs

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  • 110.
  • At 03:24 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • NickJ wrote:

OK.. so it seems Rooney deserved to get booked. Did her deserve to get a red card though, when compared to Figo's head-butt in the previous match? Ronaldo's head-butt in the England match?
The ref was a victim of the pressure I'm afraid... no 'one' person was to blame. Not even Christiano Ronaldo, though he clearly 'DID' try to get Wayne sent off. Only a blind man would say otherwise.
Portuguese players fell left right and centre, claiming free-kicks and then getting straight back on their feet and looking confused when the ref refused to buckle. The only reason why England, on paper, committed more fouls than Portugal was that out of every ten dives/collapses by a Portuguese player, maybe 2 succeeded in getting a free kick. As for the English, who stayed on their feet (which, incidentally Rooney was trying to do when the incident happened) the corresponding number of free kicks would logically not have materialised.
Germany France final? Can't decide who I'd like to win. Germany for consistant ability and strength. France for nostagic restoration of pride and a swansong for Zidane (and a great auto-biography!)

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  • 111.
  • At 03:25 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • AndreasR wrote:

Wow! This blog realy makes me quite dizzy. We have to be very carefully, that we don't start giving us eachother the 12 points at the ESC in future :-)

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  • 112.
  • At 03:27 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Radoslav wrote:

It seems to me that the English are bad losers - first most of them said "it's fine by me if England play boring football so long as they win" now they complain about the Portuguese (who played with a quarter of their team on the bench on Saturday, and it was their worst game so far) and support the Germans because they 'play attacking football' (we should probably be sad no South American teams are in the semis). Shouldn't the English want the Portuguese to win? So they can say they lost to the eventual winners? But I guess it goes back to age-old inter-European racism - with Der Spiegel publishing an article calling the Italians greasy and lazy, what can you expect. Can't imagine cheering Germans after that.

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  • 113.
  • At 03:27 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Strange wrote:

Rooney kicks ricardo carvalho in the balls and you want to blame Cristiano Ronaldo for the red card.... Come on... get over it! I Saw maniche trying to fool the refree ONCE, and was the only player that did it during the whole Worldcup

We played to score.. you guys were trying to win in the penaltys.

YES!! We are a litle Country, very very very small... But we sent you off twice...
We where in the Eurocup finals, we are in the quarter finals now...

WE MADE 9 FAULTS DURING THE GAME!! Did you guys count your player's faults?

You have a great team! Great players. But you are not the kings of the world! Don't be so arrogant before the matches, specialy your PRESS, always making up stories...

God Luck, i'm shure you can handle this and be in Euro2008!!

A. Pinto, Portugal

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  • 114.
  • At 03:29 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Welsh-mun wrote:

EnglandFan: You say please, please anybody but Germany, had it been England who'd won... my great-great grandchildren would probably still be hearing the pain of that great England team who conquered the 2006 World Cup in Germany. It's 40 years since the last time England won, and we still hear of Geoff Hurst and his heroics in 1966.

So come on Germany, play with all that attacking flair and give your loyal and patriotic fans something to cheer even louder about!
Show the world that attacking football is not only good to watch, but also wins you prizes!

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  • 115.
  • At 03:32 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • MG wrote:

I don’t think it is to difficult to recognize that Portugal is a team with a lot of potential and that being a small country it is amazing how to find so many great players.

When will we find some really fair play people who will say sincerely: "Congratulations Portugal, good luck against all the other big countries and prove that it is in the field that football is played."

Anyway, Thanks for receiving me so well in UK and that proves that there are a lot of good people in here and that football is to small comparing with real life. :)

Miguel

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  • 116.
  • At 03:34 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Nico wrote:

Well,
as usual stereotypes are hard to get rid of...
So Germany has apparently played some very exciting football by simply never looking like winning against Argentina, ending up with hardly 30% of ball possession and generally controlling the game. Had this been done by Italy, everybody would have just called it "catenaccio".
Italians don't generally brag about, we are quietly and humbly going forward and this is exactly our strength. We know we have had a couple of bad games but then again you have to remember that this is the last part of the tournament and we are coming from 2 outstanding years of good football.
Germany has never beaten Italy in an official game (last game in Florence 4-1 to Italy, not bad for an over defensive team...) and I believe in tradition.
So please keep up your stereotypes, we are just content to win...

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  • 117.
  • At 03:35 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Spoonmehead wrote:

Definitely supporting Good Old Germany now, although the French did impress. Just hope the Italians lose, otherwise we will never hear the end of their overexaggerated self-congratulation at being the "best team in the world", even though they failed to really impress and had a more-than-easy path the the semi-final. They were celebrating their quarter-final win as in the streets if they had just won their first World Cup ever..... Oh and Pilotasso, please don't make any more posts, the defence of your team is getting slightly tedious.

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  • 118.
  • At 03:40 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • impossible_shot wrote:

dipanna, your reference to the 4-1 defeat to germany in the friendly before the tournament holds no credence. before you were looking at a german team who had no self belief and no support, and who have now turned around and played the best football of the current tournament and rightly deserve thier place in the semi-finals.
having german roots im relishing the sight of italy going home, because they are overly arrogant (what were your papers saying about australia? and look how you struggled to win) and thier football has been a catalogue of diving and blatant fowling when the game is clearly not going thier way. italy do not deserve the win at all.

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  • 119.
  • At 03:41 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Alex wrote:

Germany has played the most terrifyingly boring football ever! I thought I was going to go in a coma during Germany-Poland, and also the game against Argentina was painful to watch.
Italy and France on the other hand are really starting to gel as a team, and both played exciting games, especially France-Brazil and France-Spain. I bet on an Italy-France final, with the Italians as favourites.

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  • 120.
  • At 03:44 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Ricardo wrote:

The problem about you, english men, is that you do not have anything between your legs!
Because if you did, you would definetely understand what happened in the game you were sent home and why Ronaldo did what he did.

You know, fair play is also about knowing how to loose!

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  • 121.
  • At 03:45 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • s.blackwell wrote:

ive lived in germany for the last ten years and made some really close freinds here,they were all gutted that england went out on penalties the atmosphere is fantastic when germany play and i now hope germany win it,but i still believe that we will win in 2008 in austria so come on germany in 2006 but never stop believing,footballs coming home in 2008.

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  • 122.
  • At 03:47 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Michael wrote:

Being German, first thanks for the warm comments here. I also would have wanted England to get to the next round, because I think the Portugal-Netherlands game was a disgrace to this sport by both teams. Well, now France has to do the job. I would love to see a final France-Germany, because I would love to see this young and energetic team play such an experienced and clever player as Zizou. And then it doesn't really matter who wins, as long as it's just a great game to watch. Italy? Well, in theory I have nothing against them winning either, but with the huge scandal going on in their league... Anyway, 4 more games, 4 times fun. I hope you'll all enjoy it!

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  • 123.
  • At 03:48 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Sonia wrote:


It's amazing what football makes people say and forget.
Nobody ever talked about Portugal but now they've sent England home they're the enemy. Please, give me a break! If you played that well, why the hell didn't you win the game?
Vacation in Portugal where everybody treats you well, it's ok. But loosing from Portugal is a problem... Germany is now great. Where have you been? Queen Victoria would die again if she was alive. Nice people, the germans? Of course, they don't speak a word od english and you don't speak a word of german...perfect combination! Everybody loves each other. Learn how to lose, live with it.

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  • 124.
  • At 03:49 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Margherita wrote:

Excuse me Paul, but wasn't it only last week that you commented on how the celebrations of horn honking by the Italian fans was annoying??!! Why are the Italian fans annoying but the German fans fantastic??!!

I have, and will be supporting Italy all the way.

Forza Azzurri!!!

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  • 125.
  • At 03:55 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Liz wrote:

What nonsense! When I lived in Germany I found the Germans went out of their way to tell me what they liked about the UK. In fact, at times I felt obliged to put them right regarding a few things...

Germany deserves to win. From being totally overlooked at the outset, the team has shown what self-belief can do for a side - scoring a winner in the dying minutes of the match against Poland and fighting for the equaliser against Argentina. I just wish that sports journalists in the UK were as fair as the German press in their coverage of the Cup.

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  • 126.
  • At 03:56 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Simon Ghinn wrote:

I haven't been in Munich but I agree that the Germans have indeed played the most entertaining football. I had been looking forward to an England v. Germany final, but it wasn't to be!

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  • 127.
  • At 03:59 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Toufik Bouzid wrote:

Well -- I for one am rooting for France. Why? Well, first, because of Zizou -- a complete artist of the game, who is of Algerian descent to boot (me being from there); second, because it is the oldest team in the cup, and I will always root for the underdog; and three, it may end up being the first African team to win the cup -- yes African! Except for Fabien the goalie and Frank, the rest of the starters are of African origin! See: http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/team/squad.html?team=FRA

Go France!

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  • 128.
  • At 04:01 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Markus Richter wrote:

To Keith:

I'm sorry to hear about your experience in Ulm. Ulm is very provincial and I don't like this town even as a German. This is really an exception and don't speak for the rest of us. There have also been some fights between fans (too much alcohol I think) and german and english fans were arrested.
Idiots are anywhere, doesn't matter which country. But the most had a very good time together. If you want I will invite you and your family to my house for a BBQ a good beer or something else you like.

Markus (Karlsruhe)

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  • 129.
  • At 04:03 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • bahamut wrote:

Nah i dont want this...Germany football dont deserve win. They didnt play the "jogo bonito"...i prefer latin teams like Argentina, Brazil and Spain but how this isnt possible...if Portugal win is would better because they sent the worst team to home...bye bye England...im very happy England is out again...bye holligans

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  • 130.
  • At 04:06 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Michael wrote:

I'm German and have read only the first 35 comments yet but I'm positive surprised about the comments from England about Germany.

We wanted to host the world cup as good as possible and I'm convinced we did.

I talked to some english fans at the fanfest in nurnberg, drank some beer etc and we had a good time. Thats what the WorldCup is all about. Meet fans from all over the world and have fun.

Let's keep a sporty rivalry between our countries but without hate, violence and things which happened more than 60 years ago.

Last but not least: the one and only english player who scored in the penalty shutout against Portugal plays in ........... Germany :-)

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  • 131.
  • At 04:18 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Expat wrote:

I'd like to say I'm up for Germany, because my wife's German, and they've played some exciting football. But despite having lived here for 10 years, my heart's not in it. Maybe it's just how we're brought up in England, maybe it's the constant snide comments on German TV throughout the whole tournament(exception: Otto Rehagel, who at least thought Rooney shouldn't have been sent off). I don't think I could bear it if they actually won and we had to put up with the smug grins for another four years (or more). Come on Italy! Oh, and since I'm here, I'm going to have to swallow a prejudice and wish France good luck against a certain nation of cheating somethingorothers.

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  • 132.
  • At 04:23 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Canadian Goose wrote:

I think Germany deserves it after all the disappointments of the last years. So GO GERMANY!

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  • 133.
  • At 04:24 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Bigfoot USA wrote:

I agree Germany's style of Football has being great.

But, the performance of France against Spain and Brazil has being brilliant!!

If they continue to play that way in the next 2 games, then Vive Le France!! The Germans will Fall just like back in WWII.

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  • 134.
  • At 04:25 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Pilotasso wrote:

Full doors down:

The 1966 game is long gone. Here in Portugal it is remenbered as Eusebio's historical game. We are all +ast that, the same we are past the elemination to france in 2000.

What I was trying to tell you and all of those who think we cheated past the english (and the dutch) is that, although regretable, falling and rolling on the floor after a contact to impress the referee was not invented by the portuguese. Portugal players did it, I reckon that but we are not the only ones doing it and this is being vastly blown out of proportions to the point people think it had any impact in the Englands game. With the rooneys incident none of the portuguese players throwed himself to the floor to try to get him out.

Even the british commentators found the Portugal-Mexico enjoyable, what has changed their opionions since then? the fact that we became their potential oponents?

And about the Figos headbutt. He lost his head true, but he also didnt made contact with the ducth player wich in turn was very skillfull in diving to the floor to pretend there was.
( didnt you see the background between their heads? No perspective views in england?)
He yelled, regretable, be he had at least the right to express his aprehension for being hunted down on the pitch (Kicked in the face against mexico and elbowed in the face Against the dutch)
For your information he had never seen a red card for 3 years, was he such a criminal?

It seems that in the commentators view Figos overrated headbut is less excusable than Rooneys Stamp.

Also, the difference in treatment of both teams in both of our countries is very different.
All english players are treated with respect, even Rooney. Portuguese are widely labeled as cheaters in england.
In a way we even didnt do so with the dutch and believe me we had reasons for complaints.

And whats this paranoia that Portugal deserved to loose if England didnt have a consistent perfomance in ALL games and failed to score the penalities?

Did we dive enough to justify englands failiure? I would like to see this relativistic theory to be explained to me.

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  • 135.
  • At 04:25 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Giles Molyneux wrote:

A message from Paris.

Portugal try to win by ANY means possible by rolling around on the floor screaming like little babies having their toys taken away, pretending that they have been fouled to gain an advantage against their fellow professional when in reality there has been minimal contact.

Maniche, Carvalho et all will be remembered for being in a team full of cheats, and the lasting legacy of the Portugal team will not be of any form of success, skill or admiration.

I sincerely hope France give Portugal the hammering they deserve, not only on behalf of my country but also for the brave and honourable English team whom Portugal fail to score against in normal time despite having a player extra for almost 70 minutes.

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  • 136.
  • At 04:31 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Tim (Stuttgart) wrote:

Germany have certainly done a lot
better than most thought possible and
have to be congratulated for it.
But it's stretching it a bit to say they have been the most entertaining side - surely at least spain, argentina and now france deserve more
credit.
After seeing the great man playing so
wonderfully again, I want france to win and then zinedine zidane will be up there where he belongs - right beside pele.

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  • 137.
  • At 04:33 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Willabethlehem wrote:


Just wanted to say that it's nice to see Pilatasso has hopefully disappeared from this discussion. I haven't read such a load of old rubbish since The Special One's last press conference for Chelsea.
I'm backing the Germans to win now, they've put on a great show (despite Sepp Blatters best efforts) and have played excellent footy unlike our boys and seem to be riding on the crest of a wave, I hope for their sakes they have not hit their peak too early. Bring on 2008, we've got to break our duck soon.

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  • 138.
  • At 04:36 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • bobbylebonfire wrote:

whats this jogo bonito you talking about bahamud? ronaldo diving aginst france, argentine simulation and rolling about? Spain did play honorably and well. Jogo bonito, my ass! This blog is all about who we want to go on and win the cup and why, "i prefer latin teams" is admirably honest but don't please drag up that Nike marketing ploy as a reason, because you'll be laughed off the board! and to those portuguese and their 1 or 2 apologists (also portuguese masquerading as impartial observers?), we are good losers but we REALLY object to the manner of exit, underhand doesn't even begin to describe it, so i repeat to all portuguese everywhere, your team are trapaceiros and portugals reputation ...sorry..what reputation?

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  • 139.
  • At 04:36 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Pilotasso wrote:

Molineux:

Although Im over past unglorious eleminations of portugal I can still remenber the whining the french players did wich caused the France-Portugal game in the Euro200 to be interrupted for 10 minutes, after wich the referee changed his mind.

So go elsewhere to make such generalizations.

On the other hand Im expecting a good match nex wednesday. If the french play well as I expect them to, so will Portugal.

My honest opionion is that france has good chances now that our players given away their strength i such wearing games the last 2 have been.

Cheers!

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  • 140.
  • At 04:38 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • David wrote:

four doors down
I think you are missing the point nobody is trying to say that the Portuguese players never dive or try to influence referees but what you cannot see is that English and other northern european players do exactly the same

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  • 141.
  • At 04:39 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Portugal wrote:

hey...
German?
Portugal is the best, Ronaldo the best player, don't you see in MU???
In 2004 i see the game with 2 English fans, no problems with us...
Fair Play please...

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  • 142.
  • At 04:41 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Crompton wrote:

Another report with loads of feedback. You where never this popular in the past!!

Germany too for me, it'll keep the comp going with the atmosphere its had, and I'll win a ton fifty in the sweep at work. what more could I ask for!!

Ronaldo should be shown the door by united. As you know I hate Utd, but to do that to a club team mate is a disgrace. Is football not a team game, you don't do that to a team mate. But do we expect any different from a Portuguese winger after there showing against Holland though?? Not really.

I must say though, it isn't that that lost England the game. What has cost us is an England manager with no passion or tactical astuteness(Will McClaren change this??)and an unwillingness to make tactical changes once the first whistle has gone, a 17 year old with less international experience than Micheal Ricketts (says it all!), Players who lack passion believing there reputations (in the English press) are enough to mean a win on the international stage.

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  • 143.
  • At 04:46 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Chris wrote:

I'm also an Englishman who'll be supporting Germany all the way. The French began with turgid football, even if they're now getting better. The Italians have cheated their way this far, and it would be hard to support Portugal in the wake of "that" match against the Dutch and now, of course, Ronaldogate. The Germans, by contrast, have played great, attacking football from the start. Even at 2-0 up against Sweden Klinsmann was shouting at his team to keep pushing forward! What's more the Germans have been wonderful World Cup hosts. The warmth and affection they've shown not just for their own team but also for those of others (I was at the Ivory Coast v Serbia game in Munich and the Germans around me were wearing IC shirts and screaming them along!) and indeed for the whole tournament itself has just been fantastic. Great country, great atmosphere, great people, and more like us English than we'd probably admit. The Germans know how to drink, they love their football, and they've shown nothing but respect not just for the English but also for the many thousands of fans who've visited Germany in the past few weeks. So thanks for the hospitality, good luck against Italy, and I'm all for a German as World Champions!

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  • 144.
  • At 04:50 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Ralph wrote:

Tim, people keep saying that Germany only had easy opponents and has yet to show against better teams. Same can be said about Argentina. The 6:0 vs Serbia is totally worthless. Against the Netherlands or Germany they failed to deliver. Argentina of all teams doesn't deserve more credit. After a lucky goal from a cornerball they went into total defense despite probably having better players. It's good to see them gone.

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  • 145.
  • At 04:50 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Sabine Titz wrote:

Thanks Paul for changing your mind about 'my' country and for throwing prejudices overboard !!!!
That proves: Never trust prejudices, try making your own experiences !
And thanks for keeping fingers crossed for the German team ( btw: Jürgen Klinsmann is a Swabian, so am I- and thus even prouder for our team making their way to the semi... Lots of greetings, and remember: there will always be nice people here to welcome other nice people from all over the world...And show me a country where there are no idiots at all...just chose the right hosts ! So, enjoy the rest of the tournament !!! :D

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  • 146.
  • At 04:52 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Sajja wrote:

I am supporting France because of Zidane, I think he is the greatest Footballer produced by Europe and he and other aged French players have shown that form is temporary Class is permanent.

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  • 147.
  • At 04:52 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • bobbylebonfire wrote:

Pilotasso et al, you've been on this blog for a while now, isn't it time you realised that this antipathy to your team of mergulhadores(?! my dictionary says divers)comes from ALL OVER EUROPE! After the game, texts and emails from my Spanish friends saying the same but in language I cannot translate here as I'd be taken off..innumerable bloggers here saying the same. You have some form of desperate inferiority complex maybe? If you'd bothered to read this and other blogs, you'd realise that the english are far more self critical than the Portugese could EVER be. Face it, no smoke without fire and the whole of Europe has witnessed your teams behaviour. Que Verguenza.

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  • 148.
  • At 04:54 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • hugo wrote:

just a quick reply to bobbylebonfire...

you see, what happens bobby, is that results aren't made by reputation. teams prove their value in the field.

and how can england supporters can call portugal cheaters after that english player (lennon i think) made a dive, after a clean tackle from nuno valente, just trying to full the ref into calling a penalty?

and what about portugal playing with 1 more player during great part of the game and didn't score? we were almost playing with our 2nd team and we were the only ones who were actually trying to score, not just pulling the team back and hold the draw hoping to decide in the penalty shootout

now in the semis, we'll be able to play with the main players, and if france continues to play the way they did last two games, we'll be finally able to show our true qualities and it'll be, no doubt, an amazing game :)

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  • 149.
  • At 04:55 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Checker_Pig wrote:

If you're only looking at history and the "facts", Italy should win against Germany, most likely.

But the beauty of football lies in the unpredictability. Even though Italian players are more skilled, better-looking and possibly more fun to watch, the Germans might get their act together and beat them. They would need an impressive performance, from all their players.

If they fail, they've still managed an impressive world cup campaign. So have Italy. The match has all the ingredients for a classic, exciting encounter, the tension couldn't be much higher. Let's just hope for a fair and exciting match (not ruined by fouls, cards or penalties).

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  • 150.
  • At 04:56 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • till-beton wrote:

Hi everybody, being a German I just want to drop a quick line after reading the blog. I must admit that I did not know what would happen if the english team would loose and it turned out that the british fans took it with pride. I met so many nice people from the UK and they told me that they have a great time here and that is what it's all about, right?

A big thank you to everybody coming here to Germany celebrating with us in friendship. We will miss you here, come back soon...

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  • 151.
  • At 04:57 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • John C wrote:

I've been living in Munich for a few months now and the atmosphere during the World Cup has been beyond all my expectations. Of course there was massive disappointment to lose on penalties again but with Owen, Beckham and Rooney all missing for the semis (plus an unlucky Lampard misfiring) could we have got any further? A point I wanted to make was that I was expecting a lot of playacting by the Portugese players but in reality apart from a bit of gamesmanship from Ronaldo (fake headbutt, cheeky wink to the bench after Rooney's red, stopping during his penalty runup to check which way Robinson was moving) there was little to complain about.

After watching the game in the fan fest area on of the Portugese fans wanted to swap shirts but I couldn't really let mine go (23 Walcott).

I have been very surprised by how well the Germans have been playing particularly how they were embarrassed in the pre-tournament friendlies against Italy and Japan (albeight a decent recovery from 2-0 down). When it really mattered they've been superb and I wouldn't begrudge them winning it. And the Khan loving bavarians are finally appreciating my Mad Jens t-shirt. However, I think the form is with France right now, Zizou looks superb and Ribery and Henry are finally starting to fulfill their promise.

Finally my post-knockout lull is passing - COME ON FOOTBALL!

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  • 152.
  • At 05:00 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • bobbylebonfire wrote:

No, I'm just surprised that you all can 'show your face' here, that's all..I would just turn off my comp and hide...

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  • 153.
  • At 05:01 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Baryonyx wrote:

Firstly im both German & English and have lived in both countries. I found it always amazing that the English held such a negative view of the Germans and in actual fack most other european nations. Dont get me wrong I love England but I seem to find that england and the UK isolates its culture on its own, hay maybe being on an island has something to do with it haha.
The Germans actually dont even have a negative view of the England or the UK, holding the strange little island in high regard and infact many have a love that even i find baffaling :).
One thing I always found funny was that the Germans Main football rival always seemed to be the Dutch and never really England.
Ahh well none of it ever really matters. what truely matters is that we begin to understand that stereotypes shouldn't be taken so seriously and rather left in its commical context.
I really proud that Germany has mannaged to be such fine hosts in this great world event and hope people can see that many peoples can live as one.
:) Good Luck to all 4 teams in the Semis (hoping for great football) and may the best team win!

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  • 154.
  • At 05:01 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • matt gofton wrote:

THESE POST ARE VERY INTERESTING INDEED BUT A COUPLE OF REFERENCES NEED TO BE PUT STRAIGHT RE:129, 130, 134,137,140

Right 129.
How dare you bring racisim into this??? I think you should get a big wooden spoon for christmas, you should not stir up such a senstive issue with nothing to base it on, the world cup has been 100% success with no racist problems maybe your spainsh counterparts should take a leaf from this book. As for being a 1/4 of your team on the pitch well thats what you get for hacking chunks out of people and not playing a MANS game. E.g deco hacking down a player then throwing the ball away, coz he spat his dummy out for not winning the origional foul. As for the south american teams being there, why should they??? do they have a god given right to be in the finals that i am not aware of?? I say good riddens to them im sick of all the rolling and play acting, they should take a lesson of the european teams eg. germany, england, sweeden, etc.

RE:130 @ Pinto

yes rooney deserved a red but if the ref had contol of the game it would have been avoided did you not see the 2 players getting a piggy back of rooney? as for card begging ronaldo ran about 50 yards about the fastest all game, then winked at the bench, you cant tell me that it did not influance the ref? then winking just rubs salt in the wound, we think we are stupid or nieve? you cant tell me
he didn't want him off. What was ronaldo up to in the tunnel before tthe game? where is the sportsmanship iin that? Yes we are bitter, of course we are, anyone would be if you are cheated. If we loose hands down to a better team, who play football we praise them. the fact is you cheat to win and like argentina you are proud of it. yes we did loose to you in euro 2004, remember cambells goal?? once again cheated thats why we are bitter.

137:

Please look above. play fair and we respect you....simple....cheat and we hate you. I suggest try watching the premiership sometime, real football except for those players who roll around like horses in hay, screaming like kids even before contact has been made (eg Man utd no.7)
Football is a SPORT not a THERTRE for actors, I suggest entering the portugeese team for the olimpics they should clean up at the diving competitions. Or maybe take up ballet so they can understand the concept of ballance or the centre of gravity.

140:

Please dont talk about what you obviously dont know about. 90% of the germans I spoke to out ther managed to communicate perfectly and the only german I know is aufvidesien pet(splet wrong) I have a penthouse in the algarve and can honestly say I might sell up an buy in berlin, at least we know they are being genuine and not ACTING to get our sterling!!

PS suggest every english fan put a pound in, that must must make about 16m, give this to man unt and let a certain #7 rot in the reserves, at least then he will get what he deserves.

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  • 155.
  • At 05:02 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Donna Bailey wrote:

Why not France or Portugal? The skill displayed against Spain and Brazil by the French and the team that beat the stuffing out of England are enough to support those teams. France beat the defending champions and Portugal beat England, at least you could say the team that beat us went on to win the final.

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  • 156.
  • At 05:03 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Euro2004Eng-Portugal wrote:

ah ah ah!
you are hungry???
eh eh eh
it's football, ok?
just football! PORTUGAL WIN!!!
see you later...

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  • 157.
  • At 05:03 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • jen wrote:

I love all the prejudiced comments on here - I wonder what English people say when foreigners comment on such things as football hooliganism and Mad Cow Disease!

I for one don't care who wins...just thank god England are out, so I don't have to face more rubbish from the media (well not much!). As far as I'm concerned each team deserves it in its own right -

Portugal - putting England out AGAIN

Italy - the team with the most spirit, and lets be honest ladies, the most attractive men!

Germany - the host nation, and by FAR the most consistent team.

France - For putting out Brazil and making this competition a bit more interesting than the usual.

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  • 158.
  • At 05:19 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • yh wrote:

portugal did not beat the stuffing out of the english. They wasted their man advantage and tried 30 yard shots which sailed into the crowd.
England played better with 10 men than a full 11.

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  • 159.
  • At 05:21 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Pedro wrote:

Its ironic to see so many brits backing Germany to win the World Cup. What happened to the "RAF Bombers in the sky"?. I understand the agony against the portuguese, since we've kicked out England from the last two major competitions and our clubs Sporting and Benfica showed the door to Newcastle, Boro, Man Utd and Liverpool in the last two seasons. And guess what? Just by diving and argueing at the refs. Its amazing! And all this fuss about Cristiano's behaviour only demonstrates how ridiculous some press gets. Its not our fault that England doesnt have a player with the skill of Figo, Cristiano or Deco. You have a determined team with some very good players and a few of those good players, like Joe Cole, who are at their prime because they are coched by Mourinho who, by the way, is portuguese as well...

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  • 160.
  • At 05:21 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • four doors down wrote:

Thanks for taking the time to respond, Pilo, but you've made the points you want to make without answering any of mine. Nevermind: you've still written enough bias to argue against.

"although regretable, falling and rolling on the floor after a contact to impress the referee was not invented by the portuguese. Portugal players did it, I reckon that but we are not the only ones doing it"

I'm glad you can admit Portuguese players did it. That's the first time you've admitted to any fault on the part of the Portuguese. But none of the posts I have read on this blog claim that the Portuguese invented diving and cheating.
What a lot of the posters are saying - including Germans and other nationalities - is that the Portuguese are one of the nations who are particularly good at diving. England invented football, but we're not the best at it. Portugal didn't invent cheating, but this World Cup has shown them to be pretty good at it.

"With the rooneys incident none of the portuguese players throwed himself to the floor to try to get him out."
True. The injured player was already on the floor, and I won't argue with that. But it doesn't excuse Ronaldo's behaviour if he did try to get Rooney sent off; and it doesn't excuse the behaviour of the Portuguese team during that match and during their game against the Netherlands.

"Even the british commentators found the Portugal-Mexico enjoyable, what has changed their opionions since then? the fact that we became their potential oponents?"
I enjoyed the Portugal-Mexico match, it was certainly better than the Portugal-Angola match. What changed my opinion of the Portuguese team was the PT-NL match. I'm not saying the Dutch were innocent - those studs in Ronaldo's thigh made me wince - but the behaviour of the Portuguese was embarrassing.

"And about the Figos headbutt. He lost his head true, but he also didnt made contact with the ducth player wich in turn was very skillfull in diving to the floor to pretend there was."

Are you seriously telling me that Figo - in his prime one of the greatest footballers in the world - failed to make contact with a stationary object? I know he's old and past his best, but I'm sure Figo wouldn't miss if he aimed a header at a stationary target.

"( didnt you see the background between their heads? No perspective views in england?)"
Don't know about England, I live in Germany. German TV footage clearly shows contact. It shows the Dutch player taking a long time to fall over (which I do not condone) but it certainly shows Figo headbutting an opponent. How's the sense of perspective in Portugal these days?

"He yelled, regretable, be he had at least the right to express his aprehension for being hunted down on the pitch (Kicked in the face against mexico and elbowed in the face Against the dutch)"

I think that shows the difference between us. You think Figo's actions are excusable. I say headbutting an opponent can never be excused. Being kicked in a different match against different opposition is no excuse, and being elbowed - AFTER the headbutt - is also no excuse.
Figo is a cheat, and a dirty cheat at that. It's a shame you try to defend the indefensible.

"For your information he had never seen a red card for 3 years, was he such a criminal?"
I've not watched him in every game for 3 years so I don't know if diving and cheating is normal in his game. Maybe he's just very good at not getting caught? He headbutted his opponent exactly when the referee had his back to him. And even if he's not normally a cheat, it still does not excuse a headbutt.

"It seems that in the commentators view Figos overrated headbut is less excusable than Rooneys Stamp."
It seems that in your view Figo's headbutt was acceptable but Rooney's stamp wasn't.
In my view Rooney deserved a red card for that stamp. In my view, Figo deserved a red card for that headbutt. Don't lecture other people on being fair when you're not being fair yourself.

"All english players are treated with respect, even Rooney. Portuguese are widely labeled as cheaters in england."
There is a reason the Portuguese are labelled as cheats in England. It's probably for the same reason English fans have been labelled as hooligans for so long. We deserved that tag, we recognised we had a problem, and we took steps to deal with it. After a lot of hard work are we now beginning to lose that tag: there has been very little trouble from English fans this year.
Portugal don't even accept that they have a problem with cheating and diving, so how are you every going to lose the tag of being a team of cheats?
You've got a long way to go before you gain respect in the footballing world: the English don't respect you, the Dutch certainly don't, and every German I speak to here despises Portugal for cheating.

"And whats this paranoia that Portugal deserved to loose if England didnt have a consistent perfomance in ALL games and failed to score the penalities?"
Sometimes a team deserves to win, sometimes a team doesn't. Sometimes both teams deserve to win, and only penalties can determine the winner.
After Saturday's game, I don't believe either team deserved to win. As an American fan said during Extra Time "Can't we kick out both these teams and bring back a good team like Ghana?" :-)

"Did we dive enough to justify englands failiure? I would like to see this relativistic theory to be explained to me."
Did I say that? Did I say England would have won if Portugal hadn't cheated? Maybe we would have, maybe we wouldn't. Other posters can debate that. I'm not going to explain any theory to you except this one:
In two games in succession Portuguese players have dived and cheated. As a football fan, this disgusts me. My theory is that any team which cheats does not deserve to win the World Cup. Sadly my theory may be wrong, and we may see Portugal lift the trophy. But I will cheer any country which plays against Portugal in the hope that a team of cheats, supported by fans which condone cheating and diving, will be sent back to whichever hole they crawled out of.

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  • 161.
  • At 05:25 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Nico wrote:

I can see and I accept that the vast majority here would like Germany to win. Fair enough, that may well happen as they have 2 out of 3 results (a draw means sure win through the penalty shoot-out).
Just don't write off the Italians too soon : in spite of what they would have you believe Germany has so far NEVER beaten Italy in an official tournament and the last friendly finished 4-1 to Italy.

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  • 162.
  • At 05:25 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • matt gofton wrote:

RE:145

what you actually mean to say is i like watching people with no balance and no undderstanding of sportsmanship. You like watching all the bad aspects of football, diving, stimulation, cheating, acting, people who play this type of sport should be ashamed of themselves. It is a game not meant to be a con. the only suitable solution i can see to this issue is to use technology with a 3rd referee, unfortunatly this will bring a stop to free flowing football, but with narrow minded people such as yourself this is the answer possible to ensure the "best team" wins on the day. As for being hooligans that is a very big generalisation, I saw no trouble out there except from a mexican, and some argentinians. Ask any german their impression of the english over there and it will be very positive.

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  • 163.
  • At 05:28 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Anonymous wrote:

Hi at all,

I'm a German and I would like to say thank you to all the English supporters who celebrate this event with us on the streets and in the stadiums.

You all came to us in a very googd mood and you are best singers in our football stadiums.

So, see you in the final 2008 in Switzerland or Austria.

Best regards, Christian

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  • 164.
  • At 05:28 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Deepen wrote:

In the end, I believe, four good teams that played positive football most of the times have made it to the semis. But the way Germany played for the 70 minutes against Argentina was neither poisitive nor exiciting. So their attack minded carefree attitude that everyone is talking about is a complete myth. A facade for show against weak teams. Now that Germany is the weakest team left, I think we will see the same kind of boring football that it played for the first 70 minutes against Argentina. I think now the French will beat the Italians in the final to win the cup.

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  • 165.
  • At 05:29 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Sabine Titz wrote:

Thanks Paul for changing your mind about 'my' country and for throwing prejudices overboard !!!!
That proves: Never trust prejudices, try making your own experiences !
And thanks for keeping fingers crossed for the German team ( btw: Jürgen Klinsmann is a Swabian, so am I- and thus even prouder for our team making their way to the semi... Lots of greetings, and remember: there will always be nice people here to welcome other nice people from all over the world...And show me a country where there are no idiots at all...just chose the right hosts ! So, enjoy the rest of the tournament !!! :D

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  • 166.
  • At 05:30 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Pilotasso wrote:

BobyLebonfire:

Yeah Im here for a while, working on the desk beside. And for what I can see, you too, so whats your point?

Inferiority complex? Being criticized by all europe?

I have praizes from all over the WORLD in Portuguese Blogs, so again whats your point?

Truth is that we are in an English blog, wich have are naturaly visited primarily By english fans. Some germans some french, all of wich have Portugal as their potential oponents and been reading the poison and difamation spread over this newspaper and others. You expect this to be Impartial and statisticaly representative? dont make me laugh.

As for complex of inferiority, It has shown who had the most nerves in the game...realy

And yeah, now that someone mentioned it (wich I dont give as importance asn most people here) that the English tried to rip a penalty at the cost of a perfect interception (player dived after the ball had been taken off his feet).

Anti-spectacle? If the game was boring I would have to atribute that fault to england as they stuck all players to defense during the whole game as Portugal attacked. Was that important anyway? No, but then wrong people is being accused to be cumprits of a poor spectacle.

Again Portugal has shown no lack of respect torwards ANY team, why the same cant be donne on your side?
Look at the press, its a disgrace, and the only real disgrace on this chanpionship.

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  • 167.
  • At 05:33 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Christian Otto wrote:

Hi at all,

I'm a German and I would like to say thank you to all the English supporters who celebrate this event with us on the streets and in the stadiums.

You all came to us in a very googd mood and you are best singers in our football stadiums.

So, see you in the final 2008 in Switzerland or Austria.

Best regards, Christian

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  • 168.
  • At 05:36 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Christian Otto wrote:

Hi at all,

I'm a German and I would like to say thank you to all the English supporters who celebrate this event with us on the streets and in the stadiums.

You all came to us in a very googd mood and you are best singers in our football stadiums.

So, see you in the final 2008 in Switzerland or Austria.

Best regards, Christian

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  • 169.
  • At 05:40 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Moondog wrote:

I don't know why people on here are saying Italy have cheated their way through..I don't see it and don't get it..!

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  • 170.
  • At 05:41 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • caesium wrote:

Italy should be beat Germany if the referee is not biased. Germany dread playing Italy and their record against them is terrible.

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  • 171.
  • At 05:43 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Mark Dowd wrote:

I wish the "Portugal cheated" brigade would be a bit more realistic. NEITHER England NOR Portugal deserved to be in the last four on evidence of football played.

That's why I am backing France and hoping for a Germany v France final in which Zidane will prove UBERMEISTER. Justice beckons and that 1982 Schumacher foul on Battiston will finally be avenged: come on the Frogs.

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  • 172.
  • At 05:43 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • The Gaffer wrote:

Paul,

I agree with you that I'd like to go ahead and see Germany progress to the final and win the cup.

Out of all of the teams left in the tournament, they've been the most attacking-minded side.

However, I really feel that Italy has their number and will pull off a remarkable performance against the host country.

For me, it'll be a France against Italy final with the Italians lifting the cup.

Cheers,
The Gaffer
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  • 173.
  • At 05:44 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • M G HABIB wrote:

Let's have it for Portugal this time, the lone European in the Semi that never tasted the cup before. Nothing against the host who had it thrice, so is the Italians, and once the French.

Then I'll be happy.

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  • 174.
  • At 05:44 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • M G HABIB wrote:

Let's have it for Portugal this time, the lone European in the Semi that never tasted the cup before. Nothing against the host who had it thrice, so is the Italians, and once the French.

Then I'll be happy.

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  • 175.
  • At 05:45 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Dan Tabrett wrote:

The Germans are very similar to the English which is why I am backing them.

I hate the French as they hate us. Its that simple, added to the fact they have an arrogant and cheating striker by the name of Henry.

Portugal. Never

Italy. Wont make the finals.

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  • 176.
  • At 05:45 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Andreas wrote:

Re 145 and 179

To Whom it May Concern:

As German citizen and resident of the FIFA World Cup host city of Frankfurt, in which England played Paraguay during the 2006 world cup, I would like to confirm that all the visitors from England have behaved superbly and were great fun to be with.

I can highly recommend English fans to any country in the world that appreciates good partying, peaceful celebrations and the revenue from 114 litres of beer per minute (!).

Sincerely,

Andreas
Frankfurt, Germany

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  • 177.
  • At 05:46 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • M G HABIB wrote:

Let's have it for Portugal this time, the lone European in the Semi that never tasted the cup before. Nothing against the host who had it thrice, so is the Italians, and once the French.

Then I'll be happy.

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  • 178.
  • At 05:48 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • matt gofton wrote:

yes it is just football thats why it hurts so much, we are possibly the most passionate fans in the world, due to the fact if you look at our team, ability wise they have arguably one off the best teams in the world, team wise we look like a sunday leauge team. English football should take a lesson off the german team, learn how to play with as a team, to work for each other, to communicate, to organise, to get the winning mentality......to take penalties!!! fundementally i put it down to the premiership, too many of the english team are more concerned about their egos, looks and money, rather than performance.

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  • 179.
  • At 05:49 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Patsy Baptist wrote:

I have found the Germans to be very dedicated footballers ever since I first watched them in 1966 and that is why at the start of the present World Cup I put out a small bet on them to win it and got odds of 8 - 1. I wish now that I had bet more as I am sure they are going to win.
It is also so nice to see how warmly the Germans are welcoming other supporters to their country. Come on Germany!

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  • 180.
  • At 05:52 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Checker_Pig wrote:

No they have it: Frings is suspended! (for one match) Grazie SkyTV!

Go Borowkski.

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  • 181.
  • At 05:52 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Kim Log wrote:

Traveling is always the best for quashing old stereotypies and prejudices.

Spent three months in France last summer and my ideas of the French being completely arrogant and unpleasant were completely misguided.

Incidently had the same experiences with Britain a couple of years ago, where my ideas of terrible food were put to shame.

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  • 182.
  • At 06:00 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Mike wrote:

Why do the English love so much to create enemies in other countries? Argentina? Germany? France? now Portugal? This 'Britannia rules the waves' mentally has to stop! It's history, as was the 1966 victory! You're team's average, very average!

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  • 183.
  • At 06:00 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Ravi R wrote:

I think Germany doesnt deserve to win the Cup. I will give my reasons, before you start throwing flames.

a)The only reason they have come this far, is because they didnt have strong opponents in their group. The fact that they huffed and puffed and struggled with Argentina proves the fact.

b)They lack footballing skills. Tell me one german player thats a delight to watch. None. Period.

c) Inspite of telling the press that they will not "man mark" anybody, it was a pity to see THREE people surround Carlos Tevez, everytime he had the ball and still he managed to outwit them at times. Ballack was always running around the Master Riquelme.

d) For almost 75 minutes, they were getting desperate, no intelligent passes, no great play. A great team doesnt chase the ball for 75 minutes.

e) Their gameplan was intimidation,long shots,man marking and advantage of the home crowd. Klose taking out the Goalkeeper is also suspect now, Since they must have known if it came to penalty shootdown they need to take him down.

f)Their subsitute threatened Tevez once with his hands on his chest. What a shame !. If i was Tevez, i would have thrown a fit to the referee and made a drama out of it, before the crowd, to let everyone know what they are doing.

g)Last but not the least, Argentina coach screwed things up by making bad substitutions, taking the best argentina players out of the ground and not bringing in Messi.

h) So it was a cakewalk for the germans in the last 20 minutes.It see
ms that the germans employed every tactic there is, except play great football. Unfortunately that works sometimes.

That being said, i would rather want France to win the world cup, because the last game with Brazil had some great game play, subtle passes and great control of the ball. Not a single incident of "wrestling".

Klinsmann and Co, might be on Cloud Nine, but they know they cant stay up there for a long time, for sooner or later the other team can use the same tactics and also play some great football.

I dont care for the CUP, for me great play matters the most and thats why i watch it. The best game and the best goal so far came from Argentina vs Mexico. And that for me is the World Cup.

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  • 184.
  • At 06:00 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • neil m wrote:

in response to kim longs comment

you are wrong so shhhhhhhh!

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  • 185.
  • At 06:01 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • darmstadt wrote:

I would suggest for all those that are saying that Portugal don't play fair, then check out the official statistics at:

http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/stats/detail.html?section=tdc

and tell us who is top!!!

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  • 186.
  • At 06:05 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Luca wrote:

I see lots of intolerance and prejudice English supporters against Portugal and Italy. The same attitude is evident in the Germa press (Der Spiegel racist article)
First, England really deserved to go out from the world cup having maybe the best team in the world (this year you had really the best squad of the world cup: best defense and best midfield without doubts) and being forced to penalty shoot-out by portougal without its two best players Deco and Costinha.
Second, Rooney's behaviour was very violent and aggressive and he just deserved the red card. Why did the BBc commentors told that De Rossi's foul was "horrendous" and intentional against the US and didn't say a single negative word against Rooney? Why are they so biased and partial? ).
Third, Itlay did not cheat..the penalty against Australia was dubius but the Aussie's defender was stupid to tackle that way at the end of injury time. This is the basic difference between football teams with internbational experience and football temas without it. An english, italian or french defender would not have tackled that way knowing that the referee would have given the penalty to restore the equilibrium the he broke with the absurd and invented red card to Materazzi (again not a word of negative comment on this episode by the biased and partial BBC). commentors). The same attitude of the British supporters (at least in this forum and by the BBc commentors the) is taken by the german press that is insulting Italian people everyday. Maybe this is the reason why British are now so symphatetic with Germany( very strange..remember "there were 4 bombers in the air")
If this is what they call "fair play".... I am glad we do not have it as british and germans say
Enjoy the rest of the world cup.

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  • 187.
  • At 06:07 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Essex boy wrote:

Germany or Italy

Id HATE to see France do it, Portugal dont have the class.

Also, a big WELL DONE to all the Brits in Germany who proved all the football haters wanting to jump on the band wagon about our hooligan past.

One victory you cant take away from us,

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  • 188.
  • At 06:11 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Dan Tabrett wrote:

Topping a 'fair play league' doesnt take away the fact the sly portugese players trick referees, therefore less cards are shown.

Ive seen better acting on Coronation Street

France and Portugal CANT win

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  • 189.
  • At 06:12 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Oliver wrote:

I'm afraid I disagree with EnglandFan. I too am an Englishman living abroad and before moving to Munich almost 4 years ago lived in Lyon, France for a good couple of years. I have had the pleasure therefore of witnessing a European and a World Cup campaign surrounded by fans of either country and have to say that the Germans this year have been brilliant. Much as I loved my time in France and the French, my ex-colleagues and friends were absolutely hell to put up with during the tournaments (when the French won Euro 2000 and when the fates conspired against them in the last WC). They were almost as gleeful when England exited to Brazil in 2002 as they were when France won in 1998 and 2000. This morning, I felt the all too familiar dread of the first day back at work following a sporting downfall but was amazed to find colleague after colleague come and visit me to commiserate about Rooney being sent off (they felt it was a trailing leg not a stamp) and how marvellously we played with just 10 men and how an England-Germany final would have been a fitting end to the tournament. Having a common disregard for the Argentinian lack of sportsmanship also helped ;-). I shall be supporting the Germans from here on in but also hoping that we get to see Ronaldo bawling on Wednesday as the French knock Portugal out on penalties. Come on Deutschland!

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  • 190.
  • At 06:13 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Mastermind wrote:

The Italians beat the Germans 4 to 1 in Italia. Germany can only win if they shoot the penalties properly against the world best keeper Gianluigi Buffon. Without Frings the midfield depends on Ballack Borowski and Kehl. The Italian can put del Piero into the match because he scored a goal and assisted two goals in the friendly match.


The French can reach the final in Berlin because of 2000. They defeated the Potugese by a golden Goal of Zidane. Their defense is world class. french champion Abidal german champion Sagnol english champion Gallas Italian champion Thuram

The Portugese need Deco and Costinha. The forwards of France are the best. Henry and Treyeugeut can score against every defence.

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  • 191.
  • At 06:14 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • David Cameron wrote:

I too have been to Germnany, and spent a wonderful 2 and a half weeks travelling around supporting England. Although i had no tickets i went for a world cup carnival, a big party, and 'a time to meet friends' as the organisers put it.

I can honestly say i was not dissappointed. the fan fests, although such a simplistic idea were amazing and generated a special atmosphere, especially the ones where all the English fans flocked to see their team. The Germans were truely fantastic hosts, and were only ever nice. They all wished myself and England goodluck and were desperate to see us in the final with them. Unfortunately for us, we have a team that unlike the world cup winning rugby team, does not know how to win, to seize the moment when they are indeed superiro to the opposition. There are many reasons for this, starting with Sven, but that is another story.

For now i would just like to congratulate the German people and wish them all the best for the World Cup. The World Cup has brought new vigour and life to a country in economic trouble with high unemployment and low morale. Again we have seen how the wonders of Football can make a truel amazing impact, reinvesting a sense of pride among Germans, with their team and their country and i would like to wish them goodluck.

That was not easy to say as an Englishman, but considering the other teams that are there, i think Germany deserves it for being fantastic hosts.

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  • 192.
  • At 06:14 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • chas wrote:

You have got to be kidding me??? Watch the master diver Jurgen revert to his old tricks to win a Final

Allez Les Bleus.....Pity Roger Lemerre was terrible in Japan/Korea, or else we be talking about a three-peat for this generation of great french players

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  • 193.
  • At 06:15 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • littlesaint wrote:

I am sad that in response the the blogger and the first few posters positive statements about German culture and why they are supporting Germany, Pilotasso and Marc accuse non German Germany backers of xenaphobia and even racism for not supporting France or Portugal. Personally, I am hoping Germany win on Tuesday and France win on Wednesday to set up a France vs Germany final, which will be very spicy after 1984. But on balance, I would like Germany to win because, they have played positive football, they haven't won anything for a while, and have been great hosts. I didn't think this earlier in the tournoment, but France now deserve a place in the final. Pilotasso, you talk about the English being paraniod, how about you?

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  • 194.
  • At 06:15 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Per wrote:

Maybe what you learnt in primary school wasnt correct after all

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  • 195.
  • At 06:19 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • dean beesley wrote:

Noramally i would say italy but after watching the world cup there is only one team who deserve to win the world cup, and that is germany.E ven though i dont like the germans i respect them unlike argentina who i dont like and dont respect at all as all they do is foul and when they lose they start a fight.Lets be right peolpe if the world cup was held any where esle germany would most likely already be out but the fans have kept the team going even when 1-0 down to argentina and if germany do win a major tournamnet in the next 16 years this is it beacuse if we meet them at the euro 2008 we will slaughter them as wiil any other world class team like france or holland. I dont want portugal to winfor obvios reasons and dont want the french to win and i dont think italy desreve to win as they havnt overcome a top class side yet . I hate to say it but come on germany!

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  • 196.
  • At 06:20 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • heloisa diogo wrote:

I wouldn't bother to answer this thugs, especially those who try to write Portuguese and cannot even write proper English. The only thing important is the winner, the one who takes it all. So don't bother kicking Portugal because what we have right now is that the British Empire is out. Soon we will so what will happen to Napolean. And in the end history will only talk about the winner. The rest is nonexistant !

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  • 197.
  • At 06:23 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • RICCARDO wrote:

It makes me said to see how certain English people change their mind so quickly. How can you support Germany you al the times rivals?
Instead COME ON ITALY!!!

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  • 198.
  • At 06:23 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • rob wrote:

Rooney is embarrassing. so what if the Portuguese tried to wind him up. He shouldn't have fallen into the trap. they played intelligently and intelligently got him angry. Shame he’s too stupid to realize

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  • 199.
  • At 06:24 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Praveen wrote:

I am a big fan of Brazil and Argentina. My first pick was ofcourse Brazil to win the cup. But, I was impressed the way Germany played right from their game-1.

Now that neither Brazil nor Argentina in in the game...Germany gets my vote too.
They look good and deserve to win the cup.

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  • 200.
  • At 06:24 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Mitch Bouch wrote:

I live in East Germany and have recently experienced the rise in German pride associated with their football wins.

I was also really for the German team, until we were verbally attacked for putting an England T-shirt on my son on Saturday and were asked why we had put that .... on him. Althought I would like to enjoy the party if they win, I am afraid I don't want to experience the German supreme attitude that will result.

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  • 201.
  • At 06:25 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • wigtonwonder wrote:

Germany, and not because England are out. It was ever Germany, Brazil or Argentina with Italy a good bet.Brazil and Argentina have gone.Why one of these four? Because they are the countries that know best how to prepare for this tournament. How do I know? I've studied the statistics from 1930 to the present day.Germany because of one reason above all others. Their temperament. Germany because they do not cheat, they're not thugs, they do not let down their teammates and their fans with petulant and thuggish behaviour. Their players have far too much class for that. Nor do German players or their wives or their girlfriends constantly court celebrity. They are truly professional and care only about the standard of their soccer, not how much the next girly or lad mag is going to pay them for a picture or story. Germany because they believe in their own. They do not go looking for useless foreign coaches. Germany because its FA is not afraid to embrace managers who challenge complacency and poor establishment procedures. Germany because it does not allow interference from the celebrity factor, especially but not exclusively the negative influences on the game of those silly wives and girlfriends trying to outdo each other in the sex and binge drinking stakes. Germany because the soul of soccer has not yet been prised from either the domestic or the national game by dubious agents, corporate business, TV stations, the media. Germany because the country is more balanced, measured, mature and sensible with a manager who leads by example in all these aspects. Germany because it does not rely upon sex drugs and rock and roll to sell its natioanal game, it lets the soccer do the talking.

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  • 202.
  • At 06:25 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • gianni wrote:

football is a latin thing. englishman could speak about their fish&chips, thier army or i don't know what. but definitely should not either say a word on football. They never win anything, if it wasn't for a ghost goal. Just robber.
When it comes to such things like football, colours, love, sex..you shouldn't talk at all. Everybody knows the Italians do it better.

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  • 203.
  • At 06:25 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • dean beesley wrote:

There is only one team for it who have made the effort i hate to say it but its germany. Germany are our biggest rivals but unlike argentina i might dislike them but i respect them.However peolpe lets be right been on german soil has helped them a lot and they would most likely be out by now if on foreign soil as their squad isnt of the class of many other teams but been the host nation of world cup 2006 as helped them so much and if germany were to win a major trophy in the next 20 years this is most definalty there only chance as if they meet us at euro 2008 they will be ripped apart by the likes of lennon , rooney and joe cole.I dont like portugal for obivos reasons and france goes without saying and i feel italy havnt put as much effort in as germany so i hate to say it but come on germany!

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  • 204.
  • At 06:26 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • roastbeef wrote:

re comment 173

Why would you be glad Portugal put England out, are YOU prejudiced.
Have you eaten some dodgy British beef?
I hope for a Germany v France final, in my opinion will make a better game, not so many divers slowing the game down.
oh an lets face it Ronaldo is a cheat i recall him getting sent off against
Aston Villa for diving (cheating)

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  • 205.
  • At 06:28 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Roger V wrote:

I too agree with the comment about Germany being worthy winners. After spending nearly a week there I have come back to the UK very impressed with the Country, the people and the way they have welcomed us and organised everything.

Great place, people and experience.

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  • 206.
  • At 06:29 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • van rekum family wrote:

We're an English/Swiss/Dutch family and have been enjoying this tournament in all its facets. From the beginning, we decided to cast aside each and every inclination towards nationalism and just enjoy the football. We found our sympathies leant towards the African teams, who showed great credit in the playoffs. We were chuffed that Switzerland got this far, but experience will out...
That the Swiss, Dutch and English nations are not particularly enamoured of the German nation goes (almost) without saying, but the German team are playing their best football for maybe 15years.
It was also fantastic to experience brief "flashes" of Zizou, who belongs in the annals of football together with Bobby Charlton and Pele. All in all, we'd like a Germany/France final, despite the protests of close Italian friends AND notwithstanding the latest scandals in Italian football circles(you can't be too careful in Switzerland!) Che sera, sera...

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  • 207.
  • At 06:29 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • ayupmeduck wrote:

Much as I hate to admit it, the German team approached this tournament with understatement and modesty that was totally missing from the English. They've gone from underdogs to perhaps the most entertaining team in the competition. Good luck to them, they've got my support.

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  • 208.
  • At 06:31 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Tizian wrote:

Hummm....I love this! It looks like England is now kissing the German's A...errr...feet!!! GO ON GERMANY!We already won the world cup 2006 by winning everyone s heart.

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  • 209.
  • At 06:32 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • matt gofton wrote:

statistics dont prove anything, just watch the portugal games and tell me if you think thats fair play?? ask any supporter round the globe which team has been worst for simulation and i gaurentee it is portugal by a long shot. Unfortunatly there is no league to show these stats. nuff said

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  • 210.
  • At 06:32 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Tizia wrote:

Hummm....I love this! This is definitely going into the history books! It looks like England is now kissing the German’s A...errr...feet!!! Good good….GO ON GERMANY! We already won the world cup 2006 by winning everyone s heart.

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  • 211.
  • At 06:33 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Andrew wrote:

I'm sitting here in England in my France rugby shirt (I'm half English and half Welsh, but my wife is French and I'm an unashamed Francophile) and I really hope that we see a France/Germany final.
I think these two initially unfancied teams have produced the best football in the tournament, and deserve to be there.
Portugal will be exposed against France for the cheats that they are, Italy will spend most of their match on the back foot, and I think that France could just edge it over Germany in the final... or is that wishful thinking...?

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  • 212.
  • At 06:35 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Stuart Smedley wrote:

It's about time the rivalry with Germany became only a football rivalry. I find it disgusting we still feel it is neccessary as a nation to rub it in about the two world wars - many Germans feel embarrassed about what transpired in their nation in the past and I feel it is wrong it should still be being brought up.
I consider myself a patriotic Brit - I like my country, not a nationalist like those who sing "there were 5 German bombers in the sky" and "two world wars and one world cup chants" who feel Britian is better than every other country in the world. These chants to me are disgusting and highly offensive and very nationalistic.
I dislike celebrating a war in which millions of Britains were killed and in which it was partially Britain's fault that there was a war - we are as much to blame as the Germans for it in my opinion and most Brits overlook that.
We Brits are still living in the past and are a stagnant nation compared to other nations - we aren't moving forward, we aren't moving back.
I have no problems with German people whatsoever and it is about time others did too.
I would like to see Germany - a nation striving to improve its reputation, a nation full of patriotic people and a kind nation - win this World Cup now. They deserve it.

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  • 213.
  • At 06:36 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Cristiana Ronalda wrote:

It's no surprise the Portuguese supporters here are censored like in every other football place where there is an English person. Never mind. The last to laugh is the one who laughs the best. Puta que vos pariu !

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  • 214.
  • At 06:37 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Stuart Smedley wrote:

It's about time the rivalry with Germany became only a football rivalry. I find it disgusting we still feel it is neccessary as a nation to rub it in about the two world wars - many Germans feel embarrassed about what transpired in their nation in the past and I feel it is wrong it should still be being brought up.
I consider myself a patriotic Brit - I like my country, not a nationalist like those who sing "there were 5 German bombers in the sky" and "two world wars and one world cup chants" who feel Britian is better than every other country in the world. These chants to me are disgusting and highly offensive and very nationalistic.
I dislike celebrating a war in which millions of Britains were killed and in which it was partially Britain's fault that there was a war - we are as much to blame as the Germans for it in my opinion and most Brits overlook that.
We Brits are still living in the past and are a stagnant nation compared to other nations - we aren't moving forward, we aren't moving back.
I have no problems with German people whatsoever and it is about time others did too.
I would like to see Germany - a nation striving to improve its reputation, a nation full of patriotic people and a kind nation - win this World Cup now. They deserve it.

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  • 215.
  • At 06:37 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Stuart Smedley wrote:

It's about time the rivalry with Germany became only a football rivalry. I find it disgusting we still feel it is neccessary as a nation to rub it in about the two world wars - many Germans feel embarrassed about what transpired in their nation in the past and I feel it is wrong it should still be being brought up.
I consider myself a patriotic Brit - I like my country, not a nationalist like those who sing "there were 5 German bombers in the sky" and "two world wars and one world cup chants" who feel Britian is better than every other country in the world. These chants to me are disgusting and highly offensive and very nationalistic.
I dislike celebrating a war in which millions of Britains were killed and in which it was partially Britain's fault that there was a war - we are as much to blame as the Germans for it in my opinion and most Brits overlook that.
We Brits are still living in the past and are a stagnant nation compared to other nations - we aren't moving forward, we aren't moving back.
I have no problems with German people whatsoever and it is about time others did too.
I would like to see Germany - a nation striving to improve its reputation, a nation full of patriotic people and a kind nation - win this World Cup now. They deserve it.

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  • 216.
  • At 06:39 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Michelle wrote:

I live in Efurt and have been really happy to see the Germans win. I really enjoyed last Friday and spent the evening with Germans and wished them well.

However, we put an England T-Shirt on my son on Saturday, which we have been doing for weeks, and suddenly it was as though we were the enemies. I have never felt so unsafe and unwelcomed. People made really nasty comments and were so rapped up in their new found German pride, that they had lost that friendly feeling and are now adopting a new found arrogance.

Unfortunately, for those living and working here, there is a darker side to all of this excitement. There are those Germans, who are taking on a new found attitude of supremacy.

So, when the fun is all over at the end of the week, for the remaining Brits, there will be a residual discomfort. Lets hope that someone knocks them out!

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  • 217.
  • At 06:42 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • AndreasR wrote:

Please don't take me wrong for what I'm saying now. This is not a racist statement, but what I find a very interesting observation of cultural differences.

While most of the 'north-europeans' apreciate Germany's team-performance, the 'south-europeans' rather ignore the fact and say Germany doesn't deserve the title because of the lack of high skilled individuals.

On the other hand: Isn't that the thrill of an tournament like this: Different systems and approaches competing with each other.

As a German I prefer the team to win on Tuesday..

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  • 218.
  • At 06:45 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Ravi R wrote:

England vs Portugal.

The english were a mediocre team, lets face it. Their only plus point so far is that they managed to hold the reigns with only 10 men on the ground and actually they came close to scoring some goals too. Rooney, Lampard and the others just didnt give that 100%, when it was needed most.

Rooney.The british press made a big deal about Rooney. After watching him, i find it amusing. First of all he is fat, lacks flexibility and then his play is more like "Come near me and i will kill you" attitude, rather than really playing some ball. All that fuss about Ronaldo and such. What Rooney did was wrong. You dont stomp on a players groin. He was sent out and rightly so. Makes me think Rooney is playing the wrong sport on the wrong continent. He might as well cross the pond and play some American Football. Where his antics might sadly go unnoticed. Oh btw, if it came to that, he might not have any balls left when he is stomped on by 330 pound steely muscled American Footballers. No pun intended.

Beckham has proved that he is good for some benders on free kicks. Other than that, he is better off with his pony tail and Big Sunglass wearing wife being mobbed by photographers.

The sad thing about this whole game in germany is, in germany its not about football. Its more about finding their way to express their patriotism, which had been subdued all these years with the baggage of WWII. But, let them not get carried away, else it might end up like the 1936 Olympics in Berlin when Jesse Owens shattered it all.

Go France !!! Zidane you the man !

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  • 219.
  • At 06:48 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • emeric wrote:

Germany...why not? But all teams in contest deserve england's respect.

After all, what did your team prove instead? You beat no great team, your play was boring and ugly, and you reach no semi final since...well... 16 years ago...cheating against Camerun.

What about humility? Even english champions league's resultats are mainly due to foreigners...

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  • 220.
  • At 06:49 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Mark Stevens wrote:

I agree with most others on this site and would like to see Germany win. As an Englishman living in Holland I have been surprised at how the Dutch and English Ex Pats here have taken Germany as their 2nd team since we were eliminated. A lot of the guys from work, both Dutch and English, went to see some of the games and everybody has said how warm and open the Germans have been to all supporters from all nations.

I would also like to think we could be a bit more honest in defeat and admit that we are no more than a quarter final team. Portugal, or Ronaldo for that matter were not the ones at fault for Rooneys moment of madness. He is a great player who will learn from this experience as did Beckham after '98.

Lets look to the future and hope we move on like other countries - i.e our conquerers from the last 2 tournaments - PORTUGAL !!!!

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  • 221.
  • At 06:50 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • jc wrote:

Hi ! Big Sut !
"does anyone like France ?"
Big Sut YOU do like FRANCE=

Dieu et mon Droit = french
Honni soit qui mal y pense = french

Don't forget....
So anybody but Germany

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  • 222.
  • At 06:51 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Ron Taylor wrote:

The team I want to win the cup is Germany.

Gruss Got.

Sehr gute.

Vielen danke.

Germany 4 v France 0.

I couldn't stand to see Henry blaming the ref.
So he can't moan about 4-0.

Auf widersehen.


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  • 223.
  • At 06:51 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • hugo wrote:

I would like to just ask you english fans if it was the other way round what would you of said?

If Ronaldo Committed the foul and rooney went whining to the ref and got C. Ronaldo sent off i take it that would of been fair hey?

I am fed up of you english fans. I support england and portugal and when they play each other i support portugal as its my home.

I still show how proud i am of my country by having portuguese flag on my car, and sad english cant take it, they have to go and ruin people sthings just because they are proud of there culture and where they were born.

English fans are good until they loose they study every excuse and use them all.

Grow up its football not a war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And i think portugal will win 1-0 over france

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  • 224.
  • At 06:51 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • pete wrote:

i think comment 202 is ridiculous, almost all of it. im english so saying i want germany to win it doesnt come easy, for me of the teams that are left germany have played by far the best consistent fotball. i live in mallorca and have watched all germanys games in arenal a german tourist resort,the atmosphere has been awesome, the best i have ever experienced outside of a football stadium. i will be in berlin for the final and was hoping england would be there.at the end of the day it comes down to one match and hopefully the team that wins it whomever it is,wins in style.

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  • 225.
  • At 06:51 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • jon manchester wrote:

Germany all the way I think it is time to ignore the example of our tabloids and support the hosts. Portugal is a beautiful country with nice people, but the team, I hope they lose. Glad we wont have big phil he knows his football but is too cynical.

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  • 226.
  • At 06:53 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • rufc_dean@hotmail.com wrote:

can i just add that argentina on this wolrd cup alone have just replaced germany as my most disliked team .They cannot accept defeat that was claerly shown against germany when they wanted to fight that was totaly un acceptable for a footbaling nation as big as argentina and were out of order cant wait to beat them in the next world cup just like we did in geneva in 2005

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  • 227.
  • At 06:54 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • kunited wrote:

come on ze germans!

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  • 228.
  • At 06:59 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Nigel Fletcher wrote:

I will be supporting Germany, which is something i would not have believed two weeks ago. But having spent a week in Kaiserslautern with the brilliant German fans I have realised just how outdated some of my preconceptions had been.

Ive never met a friendlier set of supporters, their enthusiasm for the English game, our monarchy and national anthem was suprising to say the least. I couldnt get out of one pub at closing time until i joined the locals in another chorus of Rule Brittania!

I can only hope that when the world cup comes to England we can afford them the same hospitality.

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  • 229.
  • At 07:00 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • a scotsman wrote:

come on! never hear the end of it if germany win? how often does an englishman mention 1966? the pot calling the kettle black i think!

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  • 230.
  • At 07:00 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Tonja wrote:

So many friendly posts about Germany!
I (a German) was feeling a little down because Frings got banned from playing the next match (based on the information I have, I don't think it's fair, but then of course I'm biased...). Thanks for cheering me up, and better luck to the English team next time!

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  • 231.
  • At 07:03 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Adrian Scott wrote:

I agree with EnglandFan - I also live and work in Germany and have had nothing but taunting at work.

Who cares if they deserve it now, they didn't in the past and, if they win it, it will go down as a fourth world cup win. No thanks - I'd prefer France or Italy. France are getting stronger and it's the last chance they'll have anyway with an ageing team....

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  • 232.
  • At 07:03 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Ravi R wrote:

Special Bonding Between Germans and English.

Its funny to see threads proclaiming how germans and english are the same, or how so and so living in germany supported the germans and how a so and so german living in england supported england. Okay great.

Now, i think this is pure BULL. Germans are supporting england, because they know England is out of the tournament. English are supporting the Germans, because they want germany to kick out Portugal. Talk about a convenient arrangment.
Now assume that it came down to Germany and England, i am sure this thread will be filled with heaps of abuses for each other. Who are you guys kidding ?

Someone wrote in the previous thread that just cracked me up..

"Want to get Ronaldo out of the premiership? Then who will teach English players how to play penalties? "

ROTFL !!!

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  • 233.
  • At 07:05 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Allan Rooney wrote:

I was glad to see England struggle right through the tournament.

Not once did they look like a winning side, yet qualified from the group stages somehow, probably with a huge matter of luck.

I wish they...and most of the country would stop putting loads of pressure on the players! They have some of the best individual players in the world, and because their country EXPECTS them to win, their bottle crashes and they end up looking like donkeys...again!

The engish need to stop living in the shadows of their '66 counterparts success and focus on playing as a top flight team.

Sure, you won the cup in '66, but other teams have won the cup before and dont go on about it like English commentators, press and most fans.
Just let them play as they are paid to do.

As for the troublesome fans..... Dont get me started on them!!!
They are a joke and a disgrace to the sport they supposedly love, their country, their fellow countrypersons and an embarrasment to the team itself. I'm surprised that they never got kicked out the cup before the end of the group stages.

Hopefully this will be a law that comes into affect for the next World Cup.
Whats England going to do then??

Its only a game!!!!!!!!!

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  • 234.
  • At 07:06 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • William wrote:

Ha! was talking to another friend the other day that it's gonna be an all European Tournament and how right I was!! yeah.. I've got the feeling Germany's gonna take it all the way this time!

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  • 235.
  • At 07:10 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Rob wrote:

Germany all the way, they have great skills and deserve to win!

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  • 236.
  • At 07:12 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • kambiz wrote:

Hollywood should make a movie on the life of Phil Scolari, and ask Jean Hackmann to play the part.
The French team has earned me outmost respect. I hope to see them in the final.

New Mexico, USA

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  • 237.
  • At 07:14 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • carlo wrote:

Darmstadt: The stats table you link to puts Portugal at the top of the "number of yellow cards received" table. They come 8th out of 36 in terms of number of fouls committed. Your point?

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  • 238.
  • At 07:15 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Rolf wrote:


Thank you, my English Friends!

I have lived in your great country for a number of years, and loved it -much like I would have loved to see you in Berlin at the finals. Too bad!

But I do appreciate your good feedback to the event and your experiences in Germany. We have enjoyed having you here! Do come back!

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  • 239.
  • At 07:29 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Rockstar wrote:

I agree completely. I've just been stag-weekending in Munich and it was top banana. So all I'm behind the Germans.

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  • 240.
  • At 07:30 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Yosser wrote:

Maybe english enthusiasm for Germany has something to do with them being underdogs; Juergen Klinsmann was trashed as an amateur, Germany has no stars (well, at a pinch Ballack and Lehman) etc. England and Brazil, packed to the gunn'ls with 'world class talent' are gone and Germany's 'journeymen' have a fighting chance to take the trophy.

Reminds me of something Kevin Keegan said many years ago after his move from Liverpool to HSV. Commenting on the relative merits of the two sides he said:
"Hamburg have excellent players and are a good side. Liverpool have good players and are an excellent side."

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  • 241.
  • At 07:35 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • BK wrote:

Ravi, dude you are a joker. in response:

a) Ecuador (engalnd struggled against big), Sweden (england couldn't beat, again), Argentina (no comment)? what are you on?

b) Ballack, Lahm, Schweinsteiger. at times Podolski

c)doubling attacking and ball handling opponents agressively is not man marking. its defending. see france, see argentina. what should they do, bow and let them through?

d)how many chances on goal (apart from the goal) did the Argies have? tactical awareness and flexibility means winning against the best teams. lack of --> see holland and spain. classic underachievers.

e + f) football ain't ballet. if you ever played, you would know.

g)absolutely! Glad he did screw up.

h) yeah yeah. zeee Jermans have been in what 7 finals before and won 3? well, it works sometimes... funny.


Enjoy the next games my man, but winning it, thats what its all about. no doubt.

:-)

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  • 242.
  • At 07:36 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • mastermind wrote:

The Portuguese are strong but the yellow cards they received in the match against the Netherland are too many. Figo and other important players are needed. Their bench is not world class. The Italians have the best substitutes and they want to show football not the scandal. The Germans are united and the keeper question Lehmann Kahn is solved well. Coupet does not want to sit on the bench. Barthez did not make any big mistakes. The keeper conflict can be decisive in the semifinal and final. Buffon is the best keeper left. Luis Felipe Scolari has a lot of expeince on the Portugal side. The Portuguese can reach the final but the final is in Berlin and Germany. Germany can win the final at home. The French or the Portuguese can only win against Italy. Italy can beat Germany 4 to 1. France can repeat the victory like 2000 or the Portuguese will make their 2nd fianl after the defeat against Greece.

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  • 243.
  • At 07:39 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • mike wrote:

I was at the Holland/Argentina match (boring).....but hats off to the Germans as they have put on a fantastic and welcoming display in organising this world cup. I couldn't help but be impressed how incredibly friendly everyone was in Frankfurt and an absolute mile ahead of France in '98 (the last world cup I attended). At the end of the day I really couldn't care less who wins the cup, suffice it to say anyone but Portugal will do.....and believe me I'm a totally neutral supporter solely interested in watching good football.

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  • 244.
  • At 07:44 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • John Bailey wrote:

I agree with your journalist - I have been to Germany many times on business and have always found them a most hospitable race. They are VERY similar in their traits to us English and I beleive that's where a lot of the 'anti German' feeling stems from. We don't like to admit it, but we too are an arrogant race and there's nothing fundamentally wrong with that - just a shame our arrogance doesn't transpose itself onto the world's playing fileds, because if it did we might win sporting contests! I also believe that there is some kind of conspiracy by FIFA and UEFA, to stop England doing well in major football tournaments; I mean who in their right minds would have given us an Argentinian referee for a QF of the World Cup? We always seem to go out to 'odd' refefreeing decisions - strange that. I bet they were beside themselves when Liverpool won the Euro Champions League title last season!

Sorry, but I have become a tad cynical in my old age!

Any way " Come on Germany, and all the very best for the final!" I bet our Queen will be cheering you on....

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  • 245.
  • At 07:44 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Horst wrote:

Sink about it, England: Toogazza, vee coot rool ze vorlt!

(but please don't mention the war).

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  • 246.
  • At 07:47 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Chris-Kiel wrote:

@darmstadt:

I don't know what you get out of this but 20 yellow cards an 2 red cards shows that portugal played the most unfair football so far... non of the other teams got so many cards in !!!6!!! games!


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  • 247.
  • At 07:47 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Charles wrote:

As a German with a British mother, I'm happy about attitudes towards Germany finally beginning to change over in England.

Perhaps the English media will finally drop those tiresome WWII metaphors and old stereotypes. Good many English have had the opportunity to gain first hand experience of Germany through the world cup and see for themselves that our two nations have quite a bit in common and life isn't too bad over here.

Lets hope England does better in Austria/Switzerland and finally learns to shoot penalties. I thought the English were the more convincing side and were improving on their earlier WC performances. Too bad it was not to be.

I myself am rooting for Germany (obviously) and France. I'd say these are the teams who deserve win the cup (too bad the Spanish and Ivorians had to go home prematurely).


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  • 248.
  • At 07:48 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Herb Ruterschmidt wrote:

It's too bad England was eliminated-they were clearly the better team. And I am sick and tired of Portugal's dives and faking...

I, too, want to see Germany going all the way. They have outperformed nearly everyone's expectations, and have played a very entertaining style. A Germany-France final would be great!
On the other hand, we could have a Azzuri defensive-minded game, with a bunch of Portugese rolling around on the pitch...wow, now that would be alot of fun to watch...

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  • 249.
  • At 07:48 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Portuga wrote:

Go on Portugal !!!!!

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  • 250.
  • At 07:52 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Paul wrote:

I have never in my life heard so many whiners as the England fans.......Ronaldo this , the Portuguese that.
Whiners, get over it! England was highly overated. Most of the world-cup teams in 2006 had a strategy except England. They played boring football which includes long balls from the defense to the attackers.
Can you imagine your league with out foreign players?
England will not go past the round of 16 in 2010 world cup.
Then it will more whining. EXCUSES!

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  • 251.
  • At 07:53 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Paul wrote:

I have never in my life heard of so many whiners as the England fans.......Ronaldo this , the Portuguese that.
Whiners, get over it! England was highly overated. Most of the world-cup teams in 2006 had a strategy except England. They played boring football which includes long balls from the defense to the attackers.
Can you imagine your league with out foreign players?
England will not go past the round of 16 in 2010 world cup.
Then it will more whining. EXCUSES!

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I want to support the Germans because I have been pleasantly surprised by their attacking play and their positive approach. And the German fans have been outstanding and reports say they were particularly welcoming to fans of my country Ghana and also gave a great reception to the Black Stars of Ghana.

I hold this against the Germans though- the way their Embassy in Accra refused visas to Ghanaian fans and stopped hundreds from travelling to Germany to cheer the team and the patronizing, almost nasty, comments of Gunter Netzer and co on German TV. So Viva France! and if not France, Germany

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I want to support the Germans because I have been pleasantly surprised by their attacking play and their positive approach. And the German fans have been outstanding and reports say they were particularly welcoming to fans of my country Ghana and also gave a great reception to the Black Stars of Ghana.

I hold this against the Germans though- the way their Embassy in Accra refused visas to Ghanaian fans and stopped hundreds from travelling to Germany to cheer the team and the patronizing, almost nasty, comments of Gunter Netzer and co on German TV. So Viva France! and if not France, Germany

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  • 254.
  • At 07:58 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • squiggle wrote:

Very big of you to put your prejudices behind you (I'm rolling my eyes here).
Germany has done a great job with the World Cup (but I'm still rooting for France).

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  • 255.
  • At 07:58 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Alex wrote:

You fool! You can't compare a World Cup where the Germans are on their best behaviour to business as usual where they aren't particularly friendly and of course they will be especially nice to members of the press at the moment. Will their friendliness to foreigners carry on after the World Cup? As for the comment about who likes France? Well, they are playing some beautiful football at the moment and this could be the World Cup where Zidane joins the World Cup hall of fame. The best thing that could happen for football is that Zidane should carry on playing the way he played against Spain and Brazil and has his finest hour. Noone else left in the competition is anywhere near as good.

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  • 256.
  • At 07:58 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • squiggle wrote:

Very big of you to put your prejudices behind you (I'm rolling my eyes here).
Germany has done a great job with the World Cup (but I'm still rooting for France).

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  • 257.
  • At 08:02 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Ravi R wrote:

BK, Glad you found humour in that.

I am going to leave a) and c) to interpretation and funny the whole press seems to think so too.

b) Oh they did ? If so when ? might have to put the DVD and watch it again. Then again whats the point, if i dont remember.

"c)doubling attacking and ball handling opponents agressively is not man marking. its defending. see france, see argentina. what should they do, bow and let them through?"

Put three men for one small man is defending ? Why that particular man anyway ? I am sorry thats called "man marking".

e)+ f) Its neither a wrestling match.
And no comments about football experience for no one here can claim to be an expert.

h) You should be glad pekerman screwed up else, you wouldnt have a chance.

Talking about records, Argentina still has more ! :)

I am sorry, its not all about winning atleast not for me. Its how you win it.I am not Angela Merkel or Adidas. I am just a casual observer with nothing to gain but pure excitement and joy, watching some of the best players.For me i just love the artistry in the game and not go ga-ga about winning some CUP, if the CUP is the motivation for the teams to play then obviously its great.

Yes i will watch the whole tournament. Hope the illusion of the germans is brought to rest by the French/Italy.

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  • 258.
  • At 08:04 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • x_bs_x wrote:

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these comments are somehow the greatest proof for:
a. football uniting countries
b. europe growing together
c. wiping out prejudices
d. WC's beeing incredible events
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anyway, speaking of upcoming finals:

- Germany's played unbelievable offensive soccer (remember those poor swedish guys on the pitch....)

- French team's played ugly preliminary round matches but has improved from then on. Brazil match was a superb play by Zidane.

- Italy's play wasn't convincing before the Ukraine match. And nobody likes bloody "catenaccio" !!

- Portugal, well,..... similar to Italy :D

-------------------------------

I don't care which team's holding up the cup in the very end, as long as they'll have shown great football in the semi-final and final games, even at the moment probably France and Germany deserve it the most...!

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  • 259.
  • At 08:06 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Ravi R wrote:

Agree with Alex completely.

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  • 260.
  • At 08:07 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Nini wrote:

Dunno why the English still keep poking fun at the "typical" German pronounciation of the English language. I really don't know where you guys found Germans who couldn't pronounce the "th". Suppose that's a question of education and that mainly older people have problems with the English language as they are not used to it.

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  • 261.
  • At 08:08 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Hugh Pottinger wrote:

Why is it that journalists are always harping about the fact that Germany does no play attacking football, if they did not how have they come from behind to beat Hungary in 1954, England in 1970, Holland in 1974, France in 1986, almost did it against Argentina in 1986 and did it against argentina in 2006. Name one other country that when they fall behind to good opposition have comeback to win so often and do you achieve this by not attacking

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  • 262.
  • At 08:08 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Darren wrote:

had to giggle whilst reading through these posts, the bit about germany being the only side left in not to cheat in this world cup (an opinion i must agree with by the way) made me laugh most because i looked at the man in charge, one Mr Klinsman, as one lager advert would say "probabley the finest diver in the world" and he has them playing like that,,,did his time in england change him i wonder? ,,lol
germans to win the cup, france in the final with them for me...

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  • 263.
  • At 08:09 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Alex wrote:

You fool! You can't compare a World Cup where the Germans are on their best behaviour to business as usual where they aren't particularly friendly and of course they will be especially nice to members of the press at the moment. Will their friendliness to foreigners carry on after the World Cup? As for the comment about who likes France? Well, they are playing some beautiful football at the moment and this could be the World Cup where Zidane joins the World Cup hall of fame. The best thing that could happen for football is that Zidane should carry on playing the way he played against Spain and Brazil and has his finest hour. Noone else left in the competition is anywhere near as good.

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  • 264.
  • At 08:12 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Richard wrote:

For the last two months I have been living here in the Pfalz region as an English teacher, having just finished my exams in England. The exceptional hospitality, friendliness and humor(!) have both surprised and delighted me. As such I am now really rooting for Deutschland and I hope they go on to win it, the party would just be incredible. From speaking to the people round here there has also been a new found sense of patriotism, with the German national identity really releasing itself from the shackles of the past, flags are put up and people chant, all round they just have a good time, and of course the beer is wunderbar!

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  • 265.
  • At 08:22 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Snickers wrote:

@ gbetormenyo

Yep, that's right. Ghana was extremely popular among the German fans, and my friends and I kept our fingers crossed for your team.

@ Alex

Well, then come to Germany after the World Cup, and you'll see that Germans are always hospitable, open-minded, honest and interested in other cultures and nations. We want to have fun, and we're having fun. If you don't want to join - well, we don't need no sourpuss over here.

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  • 266.
  • At 08:22 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Matteo wrote:

Shame on the German press and certain sections of its supporters for trying a desperate "blame game" against Italy for what was an obvious act of violence that could have been easily avoided. Italy has nothing to do with FIFA's decision and we expect the same respect as we have for Germany ahead of such a confrontation.

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  • 267.
  • At 08:25 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • anton wrote:

How many times do english fans want to be disillusioned, Alex (7:58pm) has said it right, germans are trying to show how nice they are, but they are arrogant even in this. Read the press what they write about the italians (spiegel online) they will never change. How easy it is to make people fools and the germans are masters at it.
Italy will win just out of spite, and the germans home ground, what should england have done, but did not. I have lived for 5 years in Germany and I know about the german friendliness.

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  • 268.
  • At 08:26 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Alex wrote:

Aaaah, it is so funny to hear you bigoted, self-righteous comments about how good your teams are and how 'evil' and 'dirty' the Portuguese (yes, Andreas, that is how you spell it) are. Let me remind you that no team has any right to take the high ground on diving. Everybody does it. England has done it, Germany has done it, and Holland gave a masterclass in diving against Portugal. Do I like it? No. I think it is pathetic. But lining up Portugal for such abuse while forgetting your own flaws is even more pathetic.

If you include the qualifying stage, Portugal has scored the most goals out of any European side, (and we didn't play N. Ireland) including a historic win over Russia. We usually play exciting attacking football (remember those games against England and Germany in Euro 2000?) I will admit that we have been very cynical and not very exciting to watch in this World Cup, but that can also be said of England and France, (if you exclude the quarter final game.) This is the WC. It's about winning the bloody thing, not showing off for a couple of games and then going home (e.g. Czech Rep., Argentina, Spain, Ivory Coast)

Now that Deco is back, at least I can hope for some brilliant midfield play and hopefully an entertaining match. Maybe Ronaldo will cry at the end, maybe he won't. Maybe the Portuguese team will lift their game and go all the way much to your disappointment, maybe they'll be knocked out. But hey, at least we are not whining about being 'world-class' and 'deserving' to be in the semis. We work hard, whether the referee calls go our way (Rooney's red card was harsh, yellow at best) or not (Deco was the first guy to get sent off for being on the receiving end of a rugby tackle).

As for my prediction for the winner of the whole thing: Italy. The most complete team, if you consider defensive steel, and attacking talent.

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  • 269.
  • At 08:33 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Tyrone wrote:

Being English I am very disapointed with the way we performed through out. Can't blame Portugal.They are a good team, with a great manager. We definitely need to sort our own team ,and work for better times.
I think France should win. They are a class act. Gallas,Sagnol and Thuram have been excellent at the back.The midfield is outstanding(would have like to have seen Giully instead of Malouda).And with Henry firing they are Excellent.
Germany have been great hosts. I have been impressed by their team especially players like Lehmann,Lahm,Frings,Ballack and Klose.
Italy have also a put together an Excellent team. People accuse them of cheating but I think that is unfair.I have been impressed by Cannavaro,Zambrotta,Gattuso,Pirlo and Toni.

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  • 270.
  • At 08:40 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Private wrote:

With all that's been said, what still amazes me is that the British actually though they had a good enough team to be World Champions. Wake up smell the coffee! Even if you had won over Portugal you still had France and Germany or Italy to deal with.
For a developed country, I see alot of 3rd world thinking - it's never our fault always someone elese (it reminds me of Fidel Castro - everything that goes wrong in Cuba is the US' fault). It's not Ronaldo's fault, it's not the refs fault it was the lack of goals that killed you and the bad penalty shots!

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  • 271.
  • At 08:42 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • George wrote:

After watching France v Brasil I want (a) France to win the WC, (b)Thierry Henri to be the top scorer as he is the best striker in the world and an overdue European Player of the year, (c) Zidane and Patrick Viera to go to Arsenal for one year and (d)Arsenal to win the Champions League. Oh, and (e)Rooney to attend some kind of rehabilitation clinic and primary school education classes. And no more English hype in future please. Simple and fair enouph?

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  • 272.
  • At 08:43 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Arslan wrote:

I tip Portugal and Italy to reach the finals and i will be supporting Portugal for the World Cup glory.

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  • 273.
  • At 08:44 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Squig wrote:

Hi all

I am a German living in Amsterdam, and wanted to add some thoughts: first of all: if you like the atmosphere ate the world cup games, you should visit Germany again in one a Bundesliga game. The atmosphere is in most matsches even better, with stands still being there and the fans being as passionate (I'd recommend derbies: Hanover vs Hamburg, Hanover vs Bremen, Bremen vs Hamburg, Nuremburg vs Bayern, Schalke vs Dortmund or so).

2nd @ 251: That's not true. Many Germans did like the Brits and English and their football mentality before and Liverpool is the 2nd beloved club for many Germans. Ever been to a Die Toten Hosen concert and heard them playing 'you'll never walk alone'?

3rd: I am actually hoping for a Germany vs France final, and wouldn't care whether Germany wins it or not, it would be a great Francogerman party (with a lot of English stuck in as well). Nothing against Italy as a country, but some of you seem to be a bit arrogant plus with that frings incident Italy winning would ruin the whole atmosphere.
I have nothing against Portugal or their people neither, but I have to say that their team isn't build on choir-boys neither. I like the passion the portugese fans have, but them winning would spoil the party, too, in my honest opinion.

That's it so far, cheers, and have fun.

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  • 274.
  • At 08:46 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Pete wrote:

I spent many happy weeks working and travelling in Germany during the 70’s and 80’s. Since then I have carried out a one-man campaign trying to convince the British what a great people the Germans are and what a wonderful country Germany is.
This was a hard task with the SUN(day Times) owner Rupert Murdoch and his side-kick Jeremy Clarkson continually misleading the British people - slating the Germans because they think this sells more newspapers and books.

We Brits are culturally very similar to the Germans – possibly closer than to the French and the Italians. As Europeans we’re culturally a million miles away from the Unelected Eurosceptic Australian Mr. Murdoch’s adopted USA. I am delighted to hear that an overwhelming majority of our fans had a great time in Germany – and learned the truth about the Germans.

I think Owen Hargreaves was our best player (FIFA Man of the Match against Portugal) and deserves special praise for his guts and determination. Once again the Media were totally wrong with their opinions on Hargreaves perhaps because he plays in Germany. He proved he has the bottle not only to tame Figo and Ronaldo, to show ability to play any position on the pitch except keeper - and to prove to the Media just how wrong they were.

Although I learned to speak German fairly fluently I am amazed by the number of young Germans who can speak much more fluent English. Even allowing for the fact that English is effectively the international language I know how much hard work is involved in achieving this level of proficiency.

So Good Luck Germany in the World Cup - and before you stop reading the Sun, Mirror or Times why not let them know how wrong they were!

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  • 275.
  • At 08:49 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Trevor Fellows wrote:

As a resident in Kenya, I now want France to win! Unthinkable for an Englishman, normally yes, but France are the only African team left!

On another note - Do you think that Rugby players would blubber like our footballers did??

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  • 276.
  • At 08:51 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Piquet wrote:

It's so refreshing to see so many posts from fellow English fans casting off these preconcieved views of Germany and the Germans, it is a wonderful country, with wonderful people. I have been backing Germany from the very beginning, even more so than my half German girlfriend, who not so confident. Hopefully they will get through to the final despite the loss of Frings, to what appears to be dubious reasons. My only regeret is that I did not accompany my girlfriend to some of the games, she said the atmosphere was fantastic, and the memories will stay with her forever.

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  • 277.
  • At 08:58 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Tony Maticus wrote:

As an Englishman living and working in the Seattle area (where actually most people are blissfully unaware that there is even a World Cup going on and therefore totally indifferent to any of this!) I'm praying that the best two teams of the past two rounds, Germany and France, meet in what could be a fantastic final.

I also hope that all future English players will be given 'therapy' to overcome their aversion to confident penalty taking whe the pressure is on... then all this 'hoping for other teams to win' will be entirely unnecessary!

:^{)}=-

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  • 278.
  • At 09:08 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • dean wrote:

messgae to 266 With the potential and talent of our current team combined with new mouth watering youngsters like walcott and the brillaint lennon england will stroll into euro 2008 and will reach at least the final. England have underachived for many years mainly because of sven and some unlucky moments .Just think in 2 years rooney will be at his peak lennon and walcott will be coming through, gerard will still be bangin them in and terry will still be solid as a rock.Mclaren will bring something new for english football what we havny had in the last 6 years and that is a manager who actually cares about england .There are no excuses for england v portugal but mark my words we wil be in at least the final of euro 2008 and will have a massive chance of wiining it.

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  • 279.
  • At 09:10 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • dean wrote:

comment 202 is apaling ur not an englishman you are a german now and theres no turning back you should be ashamed of your self!!

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  • 280.
  • At 09:17 PM on 03 Jul 2006,
  • Stephano wrote:

Forza !!