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Victoria Derbyshire | 08:58 UK time, Monday, 18 January 2010

This morning: the former General Secretary of the Labour Party Peter Watt on life at the heart of government, the election that never was, and his forced resignation after the scandal involving a rich businessman and donations to Labour. You can talk to him too by emailing victoria@bbc.co.uk, or speak to him directly. Also today - we'll examine David Cameron's plans to get more "good" teachers into the classroom - by making sure would-be teachers have at least a second class degree and recruiting teachers from other professions and walks of life.

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  • 1. At 11:12am on 18 Jan 2010, James Wren wrote:

    Hi Victoria

    Here's my stance. I struggled at school with maths, it was always a thorn in my side and due to this I was not allowed to begin a teacher training course to teach art to secondary school kids. I've taught in the private sector in the UK and also on the continent, but now I'm in a corporate job when my heart is in the classroom. Being married with child means that I probably won't be able to get into the system, which is a shame because I love teaching. I graduated with a 2:1 in Art and Design, btw. Now, I know people will say 'do you maths', but my point is, why should maths be something taken into account?
    I've met many fantastic youth workers who have told me they would love to teach but due to numeracy, they are held back.

    Working with children is more than just a bit of paper, and whilst I see that there needs to be some kind of a standard it is also important to use a bit of common sense with this. I've worked with kids for 10 years and would love to work at a secondary school teaching art, but because I had problems with maths I am not able to use my skills effectively.

    Thanks, and have a good day!
    James

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  • 2. At 11:42am on 18 Jan 2010, Tempus Fugit wrote:

    "the scandal involving a rich businessman and donations to Labour."

    I can't help but notice that whenever this government tries to make capital out of the other parties supposed misdeeds (e.g. by Brown at PMQs) it is not long after that we learn they have been up to exactly the same behaviour, if not worse, themselves.

    People that live in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones.

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  • 3. At 11:45am on 18 Jan 2010, zelda wrote:

    Msg 1 - You sound just the kind of person that teaching needs. Degrees mean you can learn but don't mean that you can teach. Academic Qualifications are not the be all and end all.

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  • 4. At 11:49am on 18 Jan 2010, carrie wrote:

    Question for Victoria or her editor:

    Is it possible to estimate the percentage of listeners who would be interested in any of the music you review every week?

    Would love an answer on your blog.

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  • 5. At 11:53am on 18 Jan 2010, zelda wrote:

    Carrie - you know your problem? You're not darn wiv da kidz! ;)

    It's tedious isn't it, I can't understand what half of them are saying!

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  • 6. At 11:56am on 18 Jan 2010, zelda wrote:

    I saw Colin Paterson(sp) on telly the other day. Yes, well........

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  • 7. At 11:57am on 18 Jan 2010, laughingmarmalade wrote:

    I switch off when the kidz are in da house

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  • 8. At 12:06pm on 18 Jan 2010, carrie wrote:

    Honestly, just tell me who on earth is at home or awake, who could like that music? I suppose Victoria feels she has to provide entertainment for the unemployed youth so she can do her bit for New Labour.

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  • 9. At 12:11pm on 18 Jan 2010, Sarnia wrote:

    Agree with Zelda and Carrie. Poor old Vic trying to sound hip etc. It's all so condescending and puerile. I also would be interested to know how many people this 'music review' attracts?

    Also - what's wiv de language? I am also from Wandsworth and went to a comprehensive school in the 70s - the pupils were from all backgrounds and no-one spoke in that affected way. Sarf Lahndan was the twang - black or white.

    I see that 5 Live (and the Beeb as a whole) are still set in their noo-labour love-in default mode.

    Tiresome, tiresome, tiresome and surely not representative of the voting public.

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  • 10. At 12:18pm on 18 Jan 2010, carrie wrote:

    I think Colin does quite a good job covering for Phil on Weekend Breakfast. He is a smidge wasted on trivia and drivel.

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  • 11. At 1:07pm on 18 Jan 2010, Tempus Fugit wrote:

    "Carrie - you know your problem? You're not darn wiv da kidz! ;)"

    Perhaps Victoria has number dyslexia and gets numbers back-to-front and thinks she's 14...?

    ;-) ;-) ;-)

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  • 12. At 4:18pm on 18 Jan 2010, manglewurzel wrote:

    What is needed is not 'super-teachers', there will never be enough of them, but smaller class sizes, more support for dealing with troublesome pupils, and greater stability of population so that classes aren't in constant flux as foreign children (often with limited English) come and go at various times throught the year.

    With the right conditons 'super-teachers' are not necessary, as is shown by the better results in Independent schools where many of the teachers are nothing special.

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  • 13. At 7:32pm on 18 Jan 2010, ryanw wrote:

    Yo yo wussup peeps? Sorry, sorry, I was just auditioning for a spot on the Direbyshire show. Who is responsible for the music? It is Louise? Victoria? Or a ten year-old? Maybe it's fresh the playlist pages of the tabloid magazines she gets most of her inspiration from?

    Have you considered they might not want us to listen any more? So they're skewing the station younger. I'm must be too old, I'm in my early 30s.

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  • 14. At 08:04am on 19 Jan 2010, carrie wrote:

    Morning ryanw. Yes of course you are supposed to stop listening. You are old. The presenter is in her forties, Paterson must surely be in his later thirties, etc. They are allowed to be older listeners. But you.........forget it. They don't want you.

    While I am at it, Gabby's programme. Far too light for words. Who writes her scripts? Bacon is better than alot of people thought he would be. (Not me ) Given up on Tony whoever. Which leaves even less to listen to on the station.

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  • 15. At 08:38am on 19 Jan 2010, zelda wrote:

    If you two are old - I have had it then!

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  • 16. At 09:16am on 19 Jan 2010, Tempus Fugit wrote:

    I think the demographic of the majority of callers to the moan-in part of the programme has convinced them their listenership is mostly middle-aged and they want a younger audience - only they're aiming for an age group who would/should be in school during the programme, with no radios on!

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  • 17. At 09:50am on 19 Jan 2010, Nick Vinehill wrote:

    16 comments above (at the time of writing) which don't relate to the subject of the blog. Is this a technical hitch or does it imply that contributors want to discuss other things apart from what you set. If that's the case bring back the Message Boards where listeners can create the topics pertaining to the news and dispense with the contributions of the likes of Facebook and Twitter. BBC exclusive!

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  • 18. At 09:59am on 19 Jan 2010, Nick Vinehill wrote:

    Soz ref above...got that wrong! Thought you were discussing Watt and his silly book. You've mixed it all in together but nobody wanted to talk about Watt's interview which went on for an hour.

    Watt was called a 'hypocrite' on the programme.

    He's no hypocrite. He knew exactly what he was doing because he, like all New Labour apparatchiks are fully paid up members of the British establishment whose prime role to undermine everything the Labour Party once used to stand for. This is why, with only months before an election, the country is debtridden and millions of voters are disenfranchised!

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  • 19. At 10:15am on 19 Jan 2010, Tempus Fugit wrote:

    "16 comments above (at the time of writing) which don't relate to the subject of the blog. Is this a technical hitch or does it imply that contributors want to discuss other things apart from what you set."

    It's probably more to do with several days passing between blog topics on the VD Programme blog (as opposed to, say, Breakfast, where a new topic is posted daily to coincide with the moan-in). Obviously, if people want to discuss the programme content for the days between topic posts then they have to use the last posted topic to do so.

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  • 20. At 10:19am on 19 Jan 2010, carrie wrote:

    Why does Victora tell you to contact her on her blog but not update it every day? Too busy listening to Brit nominees.

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  • 21. At 10:28am on 19 Jan 2010, zelda wrote:

    She's probably too busy trying to getting hip with her homies! Check it!

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  • 22. At 3:14pm on 19 Jan 2010, cassandra wrote:

    "He knew exactly what he was doing because he, like all New Labour apparatchiks are fully paid up members of the British establishment whose prime role to undermine everything the Labour Party once used to stand for". Nick Vinehill

    Yes - communism and loyalty to mother Russia and hatred of everything good the British stood for. The remnants of this idea still operate within it. Browns's refusal to condemn Jack Jones and his alies for their spying activities for Russia demonstrate this clearly.

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  • 23. At 4:25pm on 19 Jan 2010, Binkie wrote:

    Does anyone else realise that you can now get your daily dose of Victoria Derbyshire not 5 but 6 days a week ?

    I sometimes enjoy listening to the Weekend News on Saturday and Sunday with the lovely Dalya Raphael.There is now a whole hour of a programme that precedes this entitled 5live Selection, with apparently the best bits from Derbyshires,Logans and Bacons shows and presented by the one and only Victoria Derbyshire.Don't know if it includes tinytots music review for those who are anguished about missing this banal piece of radio heaven.

    Speaking of Logan.....do I detect a bit of friction in the handover ?
    Logan sounds as though she doesn't want to be there and is doing her stint on 5live out of sufferance to compensate for her very nice contract.

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  • 24. At 5:17pm on 19 Jan 2010, Tempus Fugit wrote:

    Our Vic' was narrating some tosh on TV last night where celebrities try to give up the fags.

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  • 25. At 5:33pm on 19 Jan 2010, Binkie wrote:

    Sounds absolutely fascinating.

    What a shame I missed it.

    ' Celebrity Fag Watch...!'

    The death of tv can't be that far off then ?

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  • 26. At 6:28pm on 19 Jan 2010, skinningroveparker wrote:

    The BBC does seem to have a penchant for light weight broadcasting, an obsession with the frivolous like smoking or dieting but their favourite indulgence is ALL things related to diversity, asylum seekers, Guantanamo prisoners, terror suspects and the like

    With the vast sums of money the public provide for the BBC surely it should be possible to address the hard political questions in society

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  • 27. At 7:55pm on 19 Jan 2010, zelda wrote:

    Msg 25 - the programme is called Celebrity Quitters! (mostly Z listers)

    It is a great shame that a lot more 'celebs' don't quit the limelight, permanently.

    I don't watch it btw!

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  • 28. At 9:53pm on 19 Jan 2010, Binkie wrote:

    Thanks zeld.

    What a great career move for Victoria and more suited to her talents.

    She is completely wasted doing mid morning radio.

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  • 29. At 09:27am on 20 Jan 2010, Tempus Fugit wrote:

    Quitters is on 5 so it's paid for by advertisers, thank Christ.

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  • 30. At 09:38am on 20 Jan 2010, Sarnia wrote:

    Carrie //While I am at it, Gabby's programme. Far too light for words. Who writes her scripts? //

    and Leonard //Speaking of Logan.....do I detect a bit of friction in the handover ?
    Logan sounds as though she doesn't want to be there and is doing her stint on 5live out of sufferance to compensate for her very nice contract.
    //

    Agree with your comments as does the Telegraph Radio Critic Gillian Reynolds.

    She described Bacon as a 'birdbrain' and wondered how he'd cope with the Mayo slot - she suspected not well.

    In case you missed it this is her succinct summing up of the changes in her column in yesterday's (19th January) DT.

    "Things I listened to for duty all week. Chrs Evans's R2 breakfast show: steady improvement on a stiff start, still too many creepy phone chats with children. Simon Mayo's R2 drive-time show: assured, impressive, endearing, marvellous music. Gabby Logan: (Radio 5 Live, noon) needs a new producer. This one has her sounding as if she doesn't know why she's there. Richard Bacon: if he stopped to listen to himself he might learn a lot".

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  • 31. At 10:29am on 20 Jan 2010, zelda wrote:

    Sir Richard Dannett is on now, even he doesn't merit a fresh blog. In reality, does anyone think that anybody from the higher echelons of the Military are Labour supporters?

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  • 32. At 10:39am on 20 Jan 2010, carrie wrote:

    Think of all those Tory and Lib Dem candidates for the next election quaking in their boots having to submit to the scary New Labour cross examination skills of Ms Derbyshire. They clearly sent Dannett over the top first to see how he managed, and to use it in their prep. The answer is a long pause after the question, so she has no idea what is coming. Or maybe because of her NL sympathies she will have to be dropped for the period of run up to the election because of BBC rules about partisanship.

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  • 33. At 10:57am on 20 Jan 2010, wendymann wrote:

    more selling of the illegal afghan war on bbc.

    the U.N. Charter provides that all member states must settle their international disputes by peaceful means, and no nation can use military force except in self-defense or when authorized by the Security Council.

    after the 9/11 attacks, the council passed two resolutions, neither of which authorized the use of military force in Afghanistan.

    resolutions 1368 and 1373 condemned the Sept. 11 attacks and ordered the freezing of assets; the criminalizing of terrorist activity; the prevention of the commission of and support for terrorist attacks; and the taking of necessary steps to prevent the commission of terrorist activity, including the sharing of information. In addition, it urged ratification and enforcement of the international conventions against terrorism.

    the invasion of Afghanistan was not legitimate self-defense under article 51 of the charter because the attacks on Sept. 11 were criminal attacks, not "armed attacks" by another country.

    afghanistan did not attack the United States. In fact, 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, there was not an imminent threat of an armed attack on the United States after Sept. 11, or Bush would not have waited three weeks before initiating his October 2001 bombing campaign.

    the necessity for self-defense must be "instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation."

    this classic principle of self-defense in international law has been affirmed by the Nuremberg Tribunal and the U.N. General Assembly.

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  • 34. At 10:59am on 20 Jan 2010, Sarnia wrote:

    Pathetic wasn't it? Her producer (or whoever it is spouting her lines to her into her earpiece) is clearly rabidly NL too.

    It might come as a shock to them that not everyone shares their default setting of left of centre; some listeners might not be so appalled by the fact that Dannett might not share the political views of the Beeb and the bien pensants in Islington drawing rooms.

    I felt sorry for Sir Richard; how he managed to keep his temper I don't know. This 'interview' by VD was poor; crass; puerile; biased and proved beyond doubt that VD is spoonfed what to say by her puppet masters on the other side of the glass wall who themselves are probably meeja graduates in their late 20s who don't have a clue.

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  • 35. At 11:03am on 20 Jan 2010, zelda wrote:

    I thought the General did very well in the circumstances and I am not a Tory voter.

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  • 36. At 11:07am on 20 Jan 2010, wendymann wrote:

    as for the 'islamic threat':

    figures from europol 200, the European police agency, reveal that so called islamist terror attacks in Europe constituted 0.2% of all 'terrorism' throughout the continent in 2006.

    unsurprisingly, there has been little in the media about this interesting figure in the month since it was published

    in their first report of this nature "European Terrorism Situation and Trend Report 2007" europol reports that across the EU there were 498 terrorist attacks in 2006.

    these include:

    •424 ethno-nationalist and separatist (mostly in france and spain)
    •55 left-wing and anarchist” (mainly greece , italy, spain and germany)
    •1 failed islamist terrorist attack (in germany, plus two more attempts allegedly foiled in denmark and the uk)
    •1 right-wing terrorist attack (in poland)

    the figures appear to over report left and anarchist 'terror' by categorising some political demonstrations which result in damage to property as 'terrorism'.

    on germany it reports that 'the G8 Summit 2007 that still has to be held has already been the target of left-wing and anarchist terrorists.'

    the report also appears to under report 'right wing' and neo-fascist violence since this is as the report states-

    "mainly investigated as right-wing extremism and not as right-wing terrorism".

    the report only includes rightwing and animal rights political violence as terrorism if reported as such by member states.

    the report does also note that the 0.2% of attacks undertaken by so called islamists resulted in fully half the 706 arrests in the eu being of muslims.

    the uk itself has seen hundreds of arrests on trumped up charges which are later shown to be false and often propagandist.

    how well does the pattern of media reporting conformed to the pattern of offences or the pattern of arrests?

    in 2006 the national press in the uk carried 26,577 reports which mentioned the word 'terrorist' or 'terrorism'. of these 7,620 also referred to 'islam', 'islamist' or 'muslim'. in other words the media reported islamist violence out of all proportion to the number of attacks.

    this is hardly helpful to those trying the resist the wave of islamophobia emanating from sections of the media, police and from the intelligence agencies and politicians.

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  • 37. At 11:14am on 20 Jan 2010, wendymann wrote:

    "They clearly sent Dannett over the top first to see how he managed, and to use it in their prep."

    dont you know that that the bbc (as are other broadcasters) are trying to get support for the illagal afghan war, havent you noticed the number of human interest stories that relate to afghansitan and our 'brave heroes' maybe youve missed the upsurge of this kind of propaganda for instance the one show appears to have a regular package and other bbc programmes running with some 'soft patriotism' that is doing the soft selling of nationalism and invoking patriotic duty .

    richard dannant is part of the process and lets not forget the tories would have gone to war without any evidence .. just for regime change- much the same as blair.

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  • 38. At 11:22am on 20 Jan 2010, Tempus Fugit wrote:

    "her puppet masters on the other side of the glass wall who themselves are probably meeja graduates in their late 20s who don't have a clue."

    Probably why the General kept his temper and spoke slowly and clearly (did I detect a hint of a sigh in his voice now and again?) - he knew he was addressing the naivite of youth!

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  • 39. At 11:28am on 20 Jan 2010, laughingmarmalade wrote:

    I admire the General very much, he always comes over as a decent and good hearted man

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  • 40. At 11:48am on 20 Jan 2010, Tempus Fugit wrote:

    Meneer Hussain's been let out. Good!!

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  • 41. At 6:34pm on 20 Jan 2010, Steve Bowbrick wrote:

    Comments on this post have gone about a mile off topic. Since it doesn't look likely that they'll come back any time soon, and since most comments repeat points made fairly often around here since the messageboards were closed, I'm going to close comments on this post now. Thanks for your contributions so far.

    Steve Bowbrick, editor, 5 live blog

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