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Are the Delhi Games doomed?

Soutik Biswas | 11:38 UK time, Tuesday, 21 September 2010

Commonwealth Games village

Are the Delhi Commonwealth Games doomed? After creaky stadiums, leaky pools and allegations of dodgy deals come complaints from visiting teams that the athletes' village on the outskirts of the capital is filthy and "unfit for human habitation". Apparently more than half of the 34 residential towers at the village are still far from complete; and a quarter of the rooms for one of the visiting teams are flooded.


This is the same village that Delhi organising committee chief Suresh Kalmadi had praised recently as better than the one at the Beijing Olympics.... Except, critics say, the toilets in Delhi are dirty and the rooms waterlogged and stacked with debris, among other problems.

Critics say the Delhi Games village - luxury apartment homes which are to be sold for upwards of 20 million rupees each - represents all that is wrong with India. Officials have ignored protests that the site is on a flood plain in a zone more prone to earthquakes than other parts of the capital, environmentalists say. To make matters worse the Yamuna river is clogged with monsoon rains and areas nearby are a breeding ground for mosquitoes. But the authorities don't appear to care.

What has happened to the Games village comes as no surprise to most Indians. Delhi has a reputation for badly constructed, leaky buildings as developers collude with authorities to cut corners and compromise on quality. It is also possibly India's most corrupt city. The current row comes as no surprise when you consider the fact that work on building the stadiums and most other infrastructure has gone down to the wire and become a shoddy race against time. All this while smug authorities told the people that all was well, and things would be fine. "It's the Indian way of doing things, which the West doesn't understand," was a common refrain. Clearly, the "Indian way" hasn't worked - and the Games are turning out to be India's bonfire of vanities.

As I write this comes the news that a bridge near the showpiece Jawaharlal Nehru Stadium - where the inaugural and closing ceremonies will be held - has collapsed, critically injuring a number of workers. This, after scores of workers have already died during the construction. What next? How much worse can it get?

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  • 1. At 2:22pm on 21 Sep 2010, ScottNYC wrote:

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  • 2. At 2:27pm on 21 Sep 2010, Yeababy_Lets_Rock wrote:

    How much worse can it get?..... "The WORST Has Yet To Come".

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  • 3. At 2:30pm on 21 Sep 2010, Yeababy_Lets_Rock wrote:

    1. At 2:22pm on 21 Sep 2010, ScottNYC wrote:
    A dress rehearsal for 2012 perhaps?
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    OR Perhaps? OR Maybes?..... A BEATING RETREAT!!!!!

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  • 4. At 2:45pm on 21 Sep 2010, ZombieJay wrote:

    Oh dear ScottNYC. You do realise you come from a "former British Colony".
    I'm not sure if you are trying to be serious, funny, deliberately provocative or you are just THAT ignorant but the old saying "don't speak unless you have something worthwhile to say" very much applies.
    Following stories from the Greece Olympics and South African World Cup about those events "not being ready in time" it seems an easy story to (re?)write. Given the difference being that this comes days, not months before the start then there may be an actual wolf to cry about this time.

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  • 5. At 2:48pm on 21 Sep 2010, Kevin wrote:

    _Well, it's a former British colony, so in reality, Britain's to blame for anything that goes wrong in these games. Which only appears to be everything. A dress rehearsal for 2012 perhaps?_

    Wow, this is some logic you've got going on.

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  • 6. At 2:48pm on 21 Sep 2010, Huw wrote:

    What utter nonsense Scott, you obviously have never travelled outside of NYC... which in my experience has dreadful infrastructure. Furthermore the levels of alledged corruption are endemic in India since the British left..

    With referrence to London... they are actually ahead of schedule with the construction... a further illustration of your ignorance in these matters perhaps?

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  • 7. At 2:49pm on 21 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    The Indian public elect their leaders who happen to be so corrupt then complain about them swindling crores of rupees ....what do u expect when u elect crooks with access to all govt. funds ?? I expect the public to get out and onto the streets in the millions and demand a full and open inquiry into the expenses to the tune of 50 thousand crores and how it was spent....but I guess you'll will go on with your lives and nothing will happen....

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  • 8. At 2:51pm on 21 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

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  • 9. At 2:53pm on 21 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    1. At 2:22pm on 21 Sep 2010, ScottNYC wrote:

    Well, it's a former British colony, so in reality, Britain's to blame for anything that goes wrong in these games. Which only appears to be everything. A dress rehearsal for 2012 perhaps?

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    Stop that old story ...Its like a broken record....Indian's have moved on....

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  • 10. At 3:00pm on 21 Sep 2010, mduk wrote:

    These games could have been an advertising dream come true for india. As a british person of indian heritage It could have been something to be proud of.Instead I feel it will reinforce steretypes of dodgy indian work and corrupt indian officials. In response to it's all the fault of the british ? Does the writer not remember The british left over 60 years ago!! this will only reinforce another stereotype of indians - it's not our fault it's someone else's !!! I hope I am proven wrong on all my points..... but i wouldn't put any money on it.

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  • 11. At 3:01pm on 21 Sep 2010, granden wrote:

    This is your lead story? With all of the real problems in the world and you waste time on this garbage.

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  • 12. At 3:01pm on 21 Sep 2010, Rahul wrote:

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  • 13. At 3:01pm on 21 Sep 2010, sankar wrote:

    As an Indian, the scenario of horrific negligence and apathy in government sponsored infrastructure development work is depressingly familiar to me. Bridges, flyovers and buildings which take a decade to build; a meaningless and complicated tender process which is used for corruption and bribery; worst possible building materials and cheapest/unskilled labourers are all familiar to us and we learn to live with it. India may ride the IT boom with computer technology and software and incidents like the CWG construction show it is lagging far behind in the critical area of infrastructure development. In contrast to China, successive coalition governments in India are only concerned with day to day survival on wafer thin majorities and not interested in infrastructure development work.

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  • 14. At 3:04pm on 21 Sep 2010, StantonCarlisle wrote:

    @ ScottNYC

    Gee, great logic ScottNYC. The USA is a former colony of the Brits as well; I guess they're to blame for the complete mess the US is in too, huh?



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  • 15. At 3:04pm on 21 Sep 2010, Tenisson wrote:

    I think it is an importnat and hopefully chastening lesson to India.

    Everyone seems to be looking to the rapidly developing economies of the east particularly China and India. From Europe and America there may even have been envy at this startling growth.

    This type of event shows though that increased GDP is just that...increased GDP, India is still very much a 3rd world country. Corruption is the norm there, as it is in Pakistan - any cricket fan is painfully too aware of this.

    Beijing was able to host an exceptional games because the 'Chinese Way' (to use the terminology of the blog author when referring to the 'Indian Way') is one of the utmost efficiency, speed and dedication. Oh, and 1,000,000 forced "volunteers". China has seen the consumer index prices rise every month for the last ten months putting millions into trouble. I think if these places keep trying to overreach and over extend themselves then it is only a matter of time before something catches up with them.

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  • 16. At 3:08pm on 21 Sep 2010, ac2_uk wrote:

    To ScottNYC, I suppose that anything that goes wrong in the USA is our fault as well, seeing as that was one of our colonies in the past. You are by default suggesting that your own country is also sub-standard. Maybe you are right!! I think India should lock up the people that have stolen the money set aside for building these games and cancel the event before thousands die when a stadium or tower block collapses. If I was an athlete, I wouldn't go it's too dangerous.

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  • 17. At 3:08pm on 21 Sep 2010, ScottNYC wrote:

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  • 18. At 3:13pm on 21 Sep 2010, Samab Ahmad wrote:

    I know a Swiss design team who has been working on stadiums in India. They were paid huge sums to do the work and at the end it might all go to the waste.
    The problem is construction industry in India which mainly run by dishonest people. Anyone who has some sort of authority they can be contractor's. In return of their poor service they will charge huge sums.
    To my knowledge India has a big problem with their procedures for contracting. They need to modernise and be more open and honest system. Bribes are common in construction industry. This was India chance to show that India is booming instead it might be a failure, I hope not even though I am Pakistani.
    China did put on a good show after lot of criticism from Western media. But China worked hard and honestly I doubt that for India. When are we going to be honest to our profession, country or probably ourselves.

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  • 19. At 3:17pm on 21 Sep 2010, Kevin wrote:

    "Britain only left India 60 years ago after running (ruining?) it for 250 years. Use some logic. And regardless of our problems, we can put on a first-class Olympic games better than Britain ever can."

    Wow. Double wow.

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  • 20. At 3:23pm on 21 Sep 2010, krim wrote:

    Simple answer to Biswas's question is .... Yes the games are doomed !

    If not easy to understand what and why has goen wrong ? then here is a simple way to understand it.

    Delhi, as mentioned by him, is the most corrupt city in India and politicians are the most corrupt resident of this city. Now if out of all the people managing the games arrangements and construction most/all of them think of how to make money out of it (illegally !!) rather than thinking how to make the games a national success then it is bound to be a faliure simply because when you do not make money through legal means most of your effort goes in hiding away your illegal acts rather than in seriously thinking about the management.

    Does this mean this is how India projected as a superpower of the future ... answer is not really !!! So where is the catch.

    Well India's growth and triumph in business in recent years has all come from private sector and this came when the business were liberalised and allowed to be run openly by removing the clutches of government by the finance minister then who is also the prime minister now.

    So the private businesses mostly moved towards a more free system for growth and have clearly shown accountability. However, sadly the commonwealth games are not those being run by any private sectror but these are being managed and run by the still unclean goevrnment. Trouble is that the British kind of parliamentry system (which India borrowed from them) can only work if politicians are by and large clean else they keep bringing the governments down whenever they wish. Which is what happened in India and the fix to that is a compromise with the corrupt politicians and finally the dooms we get to see in the commonwealth games by these corrupt organisers.

    So there is no quick fix.... only long term solution ... there is need of amendment to the countries political system to introduce American style structure so that clean people like Manmohan Singh who come to the power do really hold power and need not compromise with the majority of corrupt politicians and.... national shows like this in future could then be managed by cleaner politicians rather then the culprits of today who are busy making money by giving substandard contracts to their relatives or to those who pay them cutbacks and the country's Prime minister can not do anything to them except helplessly watching them do that.

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  • 21. At 3:24pm on 21 Sep 2010, Aman wrote:

    These games have always been a waste of money on whoever hosted them. Please tell me what benefits does one achieve?
    This money should have been invested into infrastructure of India which needs a lot of improvement

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  • 22. At 3:24pm on 21 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    A foot bridge collapsed and 22 people injured some seriously and guess what the Cabinet Minister of Urban Development Jaipal Reddy had to say ?? "Its not a big thing , Its a small matter " He will get away with comments like this ONLY IN INDIA

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  • 23. At 3:26pm on 21 Sep 2010, darrell wrote:

    As someone who visited Delhi in 2007 and again last year, it was only too clear for me as a casual observer that Delhi was struggling and that there were quite significant problems with the preparations and the construction work for the games. It was all rather gloomy and upsetting to see.

    I was in south India last month and the Indian news media seemed to take great delight in taking every opportunity to denigrate all the work being done to try and make sure that the games are a success. Over here, in Britain, it seems that our news organisations are simply trying to do the same by jumping on every instance when something goes wrong and proclaiming that the games will be an abject failure.

    Simply spreading negativity isn't the answer and we all need to try and support India in ensuring the success of the games.

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  • 24. At 3:27pm on 21 Sep 2010, CoolMagic wrote:

    It was expected. I didn't expect the collapse though! This is really a limit of curruption. The biggest problem is, authorities are only interested in filling their pockets up. They don't understand a fact that, no one stops them filling their pocket but at least they should spend some money for country also! after all its the people who own this money.

    These officials get apoointed after giving huge sums in bribes so they don't have any option than grabing chance of stealing public's money.

    It is a shame. I feel so embarrassed as every one in my office talking about this... such a big sadback!

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  • 25. At 3:29pm on 21 Sep 2010, ac2_uk wrote:

    Scott. You are talking nonsense, think about what you are saying. I think if Indians read your comments they would find it quite offensive. You are suggesting that Indians are not able to organise the games because of some lacking in their society, caused by colonialism. The problem is due to the government in the New Delhi region and thats it, shameful as it is I don't think this reflects on their ability to provide technical support for Microsoft and any number of other global corporations that run substantial operations in India, do you? I do agree that the USA can put on a better games than the UK, however. I have no doubt about that.

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  • 26. At 3:29pm on 21 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    How will they recover billions spent on this sham of an event ?? Hardly any tourists would come...gate revenues will be negligible...sponsors don't want to associate themselves with this event...What a mammoth waste of money for a third world country...Look no further than the Hockey world cup...each match had about 100 to 200 people in attendance and this was the world cup...India only admires their cricketers

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  • 27. At 3:33pm on 21 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    Soutik ...Pls do not control the narrative even if they are negative...Its time The people of India need to know what who n how corrupt it is...Its a good start

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  • 28. At 3:40pm on 21 Sep 2010, anuraagjacob wrote:

    The mess that Delhi find's itself in is because of a systemic failure and we need to have a really good hard at ourselves rather than blaming everyone else for our shortcomings. what really bothers me is the extent of the rampant corruption among the bureaucracy and the private sector that has to come to fore with the inadequacies in the construction of sites and venues

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  • 29. At 3:46pm on 21 Sep 2010, Krzysztof Wasilewski wrote:

    It's a blatant corruption! Where are those responsible for the mess, corruption; it seems there's nobody to be even ashamed.

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  • 30. At 3:51pm on 21 Sep 2010, Azad420 wrote:

    #15 what has Pakistan or the 'Chinese way' anything to do with the 2010 CWG. Isn’t Delhi part of India? So rather than trying to deflect any criticism from Bharat, take the comments on the chin.
    Personally I hope the Games are a success, so good luck India.

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  • 31. At 3:57pm on 21 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    Indian public ask for the games to be called off a.....investigate how the funds were spent and you'll see a pattern...India this is yr chance to weed out corruption starting right at the top...THIS IS YOUR BEST CHANCE....grab it....NOW

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  • 32. At 4:02pm on 21 Sep 2010, Dorji wrote:

    I feel there's a need of a good purge: and these games will expose the soft and murky underbelly of the Nation. The humiliation, should there be a breakdown in the games, should, I pray, spur the Middle-Class Indians to finally take up steps to get rid of the corrupt Politicians and bungling Bureaucrats (Net-ass and Baboons).
    I find nothing wrong in the stinging comments and snide remarks made by others on this forum. Instead, I feel that all real, patriotic Indians should take these points as a serious warning about the sorry state we are in, introspect, cut out the wrongful pride and try to reform ourselves first. Last but not least, India should make it's own path, and not copy what's being done by China as a means to get (quick and cheap) recognition.

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  • 33. At 4:09pm on 21 Sep 2010, Evert wrote:

    it's not exactly a surprise, is it ? for anybody who's worked in India (with a few notable exceptions), it is quite obvious that words and promises come very often before actual results :(

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  • 34. At 4:10pm on 21 Sep 2010, Gladys Inkwell wrote:

    ScottNYC
    You are a sad sad man. Just get used to the fact London have the olympics and New York doesn't.
    Have you ever even been to India?
    Unless you have please do not comment on what the British did there as you Yanks haven't a good track record yourselves.

    I really hope that India pulls it together and we have a great Commonwealth games. Numpties like ScottNYC and his bigoted comments shouldn't get involved in something that doesn't concern his country. Maybe The states can have their own games and invite Vietnam, Korea, Grenada, Cuba, Guam, the Phillipines and Panama.

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  • 35. At 4:11pm on 21 Sep 2010, topthomas wrote:

    scottnyc..can i just remind u, before u carry on abusing everyone else in the world ,that the worst olympics ever held were the Altanta games in 1996...where is atlanta? THREE LETTERS! U S A ! the indians will put on a gr8 show as will london in 2012!!!!

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  • 36. At 4:13pm on 21 Sep 2010, HSWET wrote:

    17. At 3:08pm on 21 Sep 2010, ScottNYC wrote:
    "..and regardless of our problems, we can put on a first-class Olympic games better than Britain ever can."
    How amusing! But at least you are consistent: despite the corporate failures of US firms directly concerned with extracting oil in your own backyard, you still insist on blaming the (formerly) British firm that ran the show. You compare this to Union Carbide's (an American Company, I believe) subsidiary in Bhopal and there is more than a whiff of utter hypocrisy and crass stupidity in your thinking!
    People like you should get an education: you probably don't even know where India is - because it lies outside ConUS.

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  • 37. At 4:15pm on 21 Sep 2010, steve wrote:

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  • 38. At 4:18pm on 21 Sep 2010, truebluetoronto wrote:

    When Cities get involved in bidding for big events like the Commonwealth Games or the Olympics or the World Cup, they get sucked into a process that focuses only on the upside; wanting to stage the best event ever, wanting to show the world what we can do, wanting to leave an infrastructure heritage for generations to come.
    When Cities get selected for big events like this, their focus changes to reality; bidding, usually lowest cost contractors win bids, time-pressures, promises made and the risks of promises broken. But there are risks on the downside; what happens when things go wrong with the events or facilities or security, all on worldwide TV.
    I have never been to India, so I have to base my opinion on Indian friends and the news reports. It seems nobody in India is surprised by the lateness and scramble and the looming shambles caused by poor standards. Over the next few days, the Organizing Committee will face tough choices; what if one or more big teams withdraws when they see the situation on the ground, what if the games become de-valued because of missing teams, what if the games were to be re-scheduled to give time to complete the facilities and security. What is the answer? Maybe cancel, maybe delay a year.

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  • 39. At 4:19pm on 21 Sep 2010, StantonCarlisle wrote:

    @ScottNYC

    Admit it, Scott. You're just suffering from colony envy.

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  • 40. At 4:24pm on 21 Sep 2010, B Tank wrote:

    India is a wonderful Country but nearly all its officials are corrupt to the neck.

    One has to walk in an Embassy here in UK to see Indian Officials, so rude and their attitute is beyond words to describe, towards Foreigners who que for their visas to visit India.

    Let alone Corrupt Officials, Immigration Officers at Airports, even some of Ministers are equally corrupt. Police are the worst culprits of all and harrest both Locals and Foreigners if they don't get bribed.

    In India, anyone can get away with anything even with a murder leave alone a colapsed bridge if one has enough money to bribe.

    India should be recorded in Guiness Book of Record as 1st Class corrupt Nation.

    Bridge colapsed probably to inferior material used by corrupt contractors.

    In fact nearly 50% of Indian Money is laundered and traded day in and day out in Black Market.

    To buy a property one pays only 20% officially on papers and remaining 80% under the table.

    How on earth can Indians pride themselves when they soaked in corruption and bribery. No wonder there is no end to poverty.

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  • 41. At 4:26pm on 21 Sep 2010, Tim Brown wrote:

    Creaking stadia, surely?

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  • 42. At 4:28pm on 21 Sep 2010, intruder2010 wrote:

    Unless there are any dramatic changes to the current Indian Judiciary system, not in a million years the rich or powerful corrupt people in India will go to any prison. Till then whatever noise anyone makes nothing changes. In India nobody is accountable for anything. The train kisses each other resulting in great tragedy and no one seems to care about it. I wonder how on earth the corrupt officials and the contractors are getting good sleep when more than 50 people have died so far in the CWG site. Indians are great in cover up's and this is what happens when the authorities are not honest from the inception of this project. The attitude, mindset ego everything needs to change , these things will only change when the legal system works properly, currently there are some corrupt cases that’s been going on for more than 25 years.

    I bet for next 25 years no government in India will talk about hosting any Olympic games or even another CW games.

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  • 43. At 4:35pm on 21 Sep 2010, Tim Brown wrote:

    intruder: India could always redeem itself with the Cricket World Cup in 2011.

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  • 44. At 4:35pm on 21 Sep 2010, intruder2010 wrote:

    Some say India’s GDP is rising rapidly, in my view the GDP stands for ‘Government department pockets’, and yes, GDP is rising for many of those involved in the CWG construction site.

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  • 45. At 4:38pm on 21 Sep 2010, kmittal82 wrote:

    Sorry to say this, but being a resident of Delhi for over 18 years, I really do hope the games fail and they get canned.

    Harsh words I agree, but hopefully this will expose all the corrupt officials from the ground up and on some level they will have to face the wrath of the Indian public, who, because of the incompetence of these illiterate buffoons, have to suffer worldwide humiliation.

    But then again, as I write this, my mind wonders.. will anything every change? There will be an outcry, officials might be exposed, spiced by by some hungry media channels (who by the way consider it "breaking news" to report a slightly mutated rat found in some remote village in India), but will this really solve anything? Corrupt politicians will still be in power, and these officials will go laughing to their banks. After all, who cares about honor and dignity when your have the money in your account.

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  • 46. At 4:40pm on 21 Sep 2010, kmittal82 wrote:

    Luketerr:
    India only admires their cricketers

    Don't forget the bollywood stars :)

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  • 47. At 4:47pm on 21 Sep 2010, SuperCharybdis wrote:

    To ScottNYC - Post 17

    Remember Atlanta? Often referred to as the worst Summer Olympics given poor transportation and athete accommodation!

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  • 48. At 4:49pm on 21 Sep 2010, billion_plus wrote:

    Can't understand why India is spending time, money and effort on these games. Clearly there are more important matters to be resolved? eg: poverty, basic amenities and so on.

    Perhaps a right time to ditch the colonial legacy of "Commonwealth", which has lost relevance anyway.

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  • 49. At 5:02pm on 21 Sep 2010, P L K wrote:

    On behalf of a billion Indians, I can only apologies for this.

    Someone here said, why elect a crook to the government? In India, its always a question of who is better of the worst.

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  • 50. At 5:04pm on 21 Sep 2010, A Kar wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 51. At 5:05pm on 21 Sep 2010, RAVI wrote:

    The representation for any international gaming event from India, next time would have to think double if its worth it!!!
    Achieving the bid is one thing and making things work "IN INDIA" is another.

    Right now they have a mammoth task of how the games can be made to go ahead as planned??? its never too late for anything!!!If they step it up they can make it, barely !!!

    This might at least, improve the current image of the Indian game organisers and people funding, else its likely that the Indian delegation will have to face the consequences both in-house and on international stage by the public and the media. This will also become an important chapter in 'games in India' and will also be a lesson learnt, i hope.

    If the people in-charge still do not get this message across their money clouded brains, I think the dreams for India organising the Olympics would remain a distant dream for another 40 years.

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  • 52. At 5:20pm on 21 Sep 2010, jackko finch wrote:

    ROFL!
    "According to us the room may be clean, but the foreign officials may require a certain standard of cleanliness and hygiene which may differ from our standards," - Lalit Bhanot

    This can only be expected in India.

    Sadly, unless the general attitude of people changes things are not going to change. Why complain about corrupt judicial and or political class. After all they represent what we are.

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  • 53. At 5:34pm on 21 Sep 2010, John Sheahan wrote:

    ScottNYC

    Don't they have newspaper blogs in NYC where you could be adding your gems of wisdom? Or even a colouring book or a Sarah Palin rally?

    Seriously, I think you should go to your room. The grown ups are trying to have a conversation.

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  • 54. At 5:49pm on 21 Sep 2010, ap45 wrote:

    The pathetic parts of this saga.
    Public money in Billions squandered,pillaged,possibly a few thousand poor unsung construction workers, dead. Poor people displaced, depriving them of the meagre lively-hood they could earn in the name of beautification of Delhi.
    Billion dollars which could have been used to better the lives of those, who live their lives one day at a time.
    One can only be amazed at the lack of self respect of a spokes person who says cleanliness..Western , Indian..Chinese...,American!! For god-sake at least talk logic! It is either clean or unclean, its not about perception, its a bout fact! Moron.
    Look at the Chairman of the games organizing body, he is justifying his incompetence by pointing at Chinese facilities. OK! can he prove it!..
    I am an Indian, it pains me that such unworthy people were entrusted with something that reflects on the nation.

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  • 55. At 5:54pm on 21 Sep 2010, billion_plus wrote:

    ap45 - I share your pain!

    I still seriously cannot understand why India has to waste its (limited) resources on this irrelevant circus called Commonwealth. We all know the wealth is not at all "common" :-)

    Anyway, will let bygones be bygones.

    Looking into the future, Indians need to understand that there is still a long long (long) way to catch up before trying to adorn the mantle of a superpower. Many things need to be set right.. starting with corrupt politicians.

    There is NO time (or money) for "games" !!

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  • 56. At 5:54pm on 21 Sep 2010, silentKnight wrote:

    @ ScottNYC: Im sure the indians are looking for people to blame and if the Pakistan game doesn't work, they will find a way to accuse Britain of all the mismanagement.. However, its tough to justify that since its been 62 years since independence, and corruption only gets worse.

    Dont forget, even though the british invented bureaucracy, its the Indians who perfected it.


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  • 57. At 5:55pm on 21 Sep 2010, The Leveller wrote:

    Australian discus thrower Dani Samuels has withdrawn from the Australian Commonwealth Games team, citing concerns over health and security in Delhi. Good on ya Sheila! Why trade your health for a second rate competition?

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  • 58. At 5:56pm on 21 Sep 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    Everything that is wrong with India! And they hope to compete with China! And this is not even 20% of an event like the Olympics! It goes to show that there is more corruption & a devil-may-care attitude prevalent amongst the Indians because there is no effective drive against corruption & inefficiency! It may all end in tears.

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  • 59. At 6:04pm on 21 Sep 2010, billion_plus wrote:

    Completely agree with you ian cheese.

    This is the face of India which Indians tend to ignore at a huge cost.

    Forget about competing with China, India needs to improve for its own sake and an immense amount of social re-thinking and collaboration is required.

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  • 60. At 6:12pm on 21 Sep 2010, Rahul wrote:

    Ok, after a knee jerk reaction from myself on the blog, which was ofcourse removed, i have to say one thing that not only corruption but PROJECT MANAGEMENT has been the main problem for delay, because corruption can be done and yet these guys can get away by doing a spectacular show.

    Let's be honest a country barely put together as a nation some 60 years ago, with generations of divisions, ofcourse poverty, illeterate ness, either due to castism or regions, i think this country has made a great strides, although it could have done many things better but it could have ended up worse.

    Common Wealth Games goes to also show, how feeble the government has control over their own enterprises, it was upteen clear in the last few months that work need to speeded up, but still they could not, why ? either lack of funds or poor management but unltimately lack of control in execution.

    That doesnt mean that there have been success stories but failures are out in open in large numbers. It would have been great if the GOI could pull this CWG successfully, but unfortunately there is lot of negative publicity going around. So dont know what's the ultimate end to this saga, but one point to be noted is, under Indira Gandhi ASIAD was a super success, under Sonia Gandhi CWG so far has been a failure, tell's lot about the management capacity of the both. Unfortunately India's faith is tied with the faith of Congress and Gandhi, the rest seems to matter not at all.

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  • 61. At 6:27pm on 21 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    54. At 5:49pm on 21 Sep 2010, ap45 wrote:

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    Indira Gandhi would be turnin in her grave ....I have a feeling that this CWG will be the downfall of this govt. Time for a change sadly it will be replaced by another incompetent regime...Has been and always will be...This has to be the first where a dog defecates on beds meant for the athletes ...cracks me up ...

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  • 62. At 6:28pm on 21 Sep 2010, ScottNYC wrote:

    This comment has been referred for further consideration. Explain

  • 63. At 6:33pm on 21 Sep 2010, Keith Hanks wrote:

    so SCOTTNYC, what is now the USA was once a British colony, are we to blame for the crime in NYC?

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  • 64. At 6:44pm on 21 Sep 2010, Keith Hanks wrote:

    to SCOTTNYC, and how many ethic indians died under US rule
    ? were not your "reservations" the first example of apartheit? or were you just blindly following your colonial masters example of "concentration camps"

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  • 65. At 6:45pm on 21 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    Change the capital of India to Goa n start fresh....:-)

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  • 66. At 6:47pm on 21 Sep 2010, James Clarke wrote:

    exactly agree with you keith. UK should not have ANYTHING to do with these Commonwealth Games. AND IT IS THE UK SAYING THAT ITS BAD. See the difference. I really do like watching the games but you know what im not even going to bother because its not safe for competitors/spectators and all the big names like Phillips Idowu have withdrawn die to it. And they claim that the apartments in Delhi are nicer than Beijing. hmmm i think they neeed to look at the plans. i think SCOTTNYC is a very cheeky american.

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  • 67. At 6:50pm on 21 Sep 2010, Wise Owl wrote:

    What a pity that one ignorant "Yank" has to generate such a distracting and obtuse trail after such a sad tail.

    We Brits need to remember that SCOTT, like many Americans has no sense of history or perspective - NB - they are still suggesting that they will win the war in Afghanistan having "won" the war in Iraq.

    But current events are clearly beyond the scope of SocttNYC!

    Turning to the important issue of the Games - while there is much to criticise about India's role, some criticism has to fall on the Commonwealth organising committee. Where was the oversight and inspection?

    This should come as no surprise but sadly, it looks like the Athletes will be the losers.

    Watch out for more stories of late withdrawals due to "injury" etc.

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  • 68. At 6:57pm on 21 Sep 2010, Yeababy_Lets_Rock wrote:

    "" BREAKING NEWS ""..... bse(of India) has crossed 20,000 LEVEL, whiles nse(of this same India) has crossed 6,000 LEVEL.
    LEVERAGE!is requested(ASAP)..... to be supplied for both these both HYPERINFLATED-levels.

    With Due Respects Provided.

    With Warm Regards,
    Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa BABY! Let's ROCK!

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  • 69. At 6:59pm on 21 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    Can someone please tell me how much is 70,000 crores in USD...Thanks

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  • 70. At 7:02pm on 21 Sep 2010, indian mathematician wrote:

    ian cheese, silent knight, Luketerr - all excellent points.
    The best thing to come out of this is the level of corruption, unprecented poverty and lack of basic human rights. I wish folks would stop bragging about this being the world's largest democracy when the country is in such a hole.
    The biggest travesty is the huge gap between rich and ultra poor. BBC has done a great job of highlighting this. India has successfully projected itself as a economic powerhouse when most of the country in such a mess - successive govts have always hidden this.
    Great to see athletes pulling out - this is the best form of protest against a country as corrupt as this. Any fool who still blames the British is living in fairyland!!
    If it takes a flop to get India to the drawing board and look at its enormous problems - let's hope the games are a disaster.
    Keep up the reporting BBC

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  • 71. At 7:03pm on 21 Sep 2010, indian mathematician wrote:

    By the way - ignore the American - they are still struggling with the English language

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  • 72. At 7:03pm on 21 Sep 2010, Yeababy_Lets_Rock wrote:

    "" ANOTHER BREAKING NEWS ""..... India vows TO FIX GAMES! whiles not the village.

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  • 73. At 7:07pm on 21 Sep 2010, Yeababy_Lets_Rock wrote:

    The Moderator lost my "" ANOTHER BREAKING NEWS "".

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  • 74. At 7:08pm on 21 Sep 2010, bigboy63 wrote:

    The British built 103,000 (read one hundred and three thousand) bridges during its time in India. Almost all are still being used today.

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  • 75. At 7:12pm on 21 Sep 2010, Yeababy_Lets_Rock wrote:

    Dear Luketerr,

    I carrys some kind of feelings!..... THAT! you is A MODERATOR!

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  • 76. At 7:19pm on 21 Sep 2010, Boggy1983 wrote:

    I've not read most of these comments so I apologise if I have re-iterated other people's opinions. If the bridge collapsed with nowhere near the volume of traffic it is expected to take, it does beg the question where else other corners are cut.

    If peoples lives, health or well-being are in any way endangered, the Games shouldn't go ahead. End of.

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  • 77. At 7:25pm on 21 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    The Indian media is all over the CWG organisers...hope they maintain this momentum for a while...These guys especially Kalmadi openly said " no one can touch me "

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  • 78. At 7:28pm on 21 Sep 2010, Dhiraj Ahuja wrote:

    Glasgow has 70% of the facilities ready and we are still struggling to clean our 70% (the other 30% never got built). The organizing committee has shamed us. The corrupt politicians have transfered all the funds to their Swiss bank accounts.

    Stray dogs jumping on the bed, toilets meant for athletes used by labor...is this how we welcome our guests? The organizing committee members should to be made to stand at a public square and lynched to death.

    And the latest is the bridge collapse which Dixit, Chief Minister of Delhi says "was not meant for athletes" anyways. She implies that the common man in the capital can die and she cares a damn about it.

    It'll be better if the Games are cancelled. We'll save ourselves from even more shame in the days to come.

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  • 79. At 7:31pm on 21 Sep 2010, Albert wrote:

    To, ScottNYC.

    Yes, the USA is a former British colony too. Using your logic, Britain can take credit for the success of the 1996 Atlanta games.

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  • 80. At 7:41pm on 21 Sep 2010, venkat wrote:

    How much worse can it get ?? hope no stadium collapses when the games or on.

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  • 81. At 7:41pm on 21 Sep 2010, iswordsius wrote:

    Send Scott from NYC to India to help out. He's clearly demonstrated a level of knowledge and eridution which would be sorely missed at such a critical juncture in the games's timetable.

    On his way back can he also stop over in London and just check that his former colonial masters are bringing London 2012 in budget, on time and have received excellent reports from the IOC. Oh hang on we are.

    Sorry Scott, best go back to randomly throwing your fingers at the keyboard and see what else springs forth, although I and fair majority of commentators here have a fair idea.....

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  • 82. At 7:41pm on 21 Sep 2010, Jay wrote:

    India must not bid for any international events for next 50 years or so, till we wipe out corruption from our public lives or at least bring that down to an acceptable (to any decent, developed country) level. We must build our country first than concentrating on building its image. International sporting agencies also MUST not award any sporting event to India either.
    More and more we are becoming corrupt, more attempts we are making to improve our "image", than to address the real issue. It is not only about CWG or little mismanagement of a game, but also indicates that many people in India have lost all their senses (that includes shame) for sheer money and power. We truly deserve the type of politicians that rule us today. They are mere reflection of our own.
    I will be very happy if this sporting event (CWG) fails miserably. I hope that it awaken more people, will hurt the false pride that many of our politicians and rich/powerful community try to portray in public, particularly among foreigners.

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  • 83. At 7:43pm on 21 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    75. At 7:12pm on 21 Sep 2010, Yeababy_Lets_Rock wrote:

    Dear Luketerr,

    I carrys some kind of feelings!..... THAT! you is A MODERATOR!

    ========================================

    27. At 3:33pm on 21 Sep 2010, you wrote:

    Soutik ...Pls do not control the narrative even if they are negative...Its time The people of India need to know what who n how corrupt it is...Its a good start

    =======================

    Yeababy_Lets_Rock....If that makes u happy....:-)

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  • 84. At 7:46pm on 21 Sep 2010, keeleboy wrote:

    I was in Delhi in April, and to be honest, nothing looked even nearly ready then. The facelift for Connaught Place and that end of town hadn't even nearly started; the metro lines were still being built, let alone tested properly, and the airport terminal wasn't finished. All this, with 6 months left. I had such high hopes, as I love India, but I'm afraid that this will turn out to be an expensive white elephant. And the poor will pay, as usual.

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  • 85. At 7:48pm on 21 Sep 2010, Jay wrote:

    India must not bid for any international events for next 50 years or so, till we wipe out corruption from our public lives or at least bring that down to an acceptable (to any decent, developed country) level. We must build our country first than concentrating on building its image. International sporting agencies also MUST not award any sporting event to India either.
    More and more we are becoming corrupt, more attempts we are making to improve our "image", than to address the real issue. It is not only about CWG or little mismanagement of a game, but also indicates that many people in India have lost all their senses (that includes shame) for sheer money and power. We truly deserve the type of politicians that rule us today. They are mere reflections of our own. THESE DAYS WE NEVER FEEL ASHAMED OR INSULTED ENOUGH TO ACT AGAINST ANY SOCIAL VICES. We accept that as an unquestionable truth (something like God). We not only indulge ourselves in such crimes but also encourage everyone else (even our own children) to accept that (to prosper in life in India). We never act in any way to our well-known corrupt neighbor and colleagues and make them feel ashamed for their corrupt acts.
    I will be very happy if this sporting event (CWG) fails miserably. I hope (just hope) that failure of this CWG will awaken many people, will hurt the false pride that many of our politicians and rich/powerful community try to portray in public, particularly among foreigners.

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  • 86. At 8:00pm on 21 Sep 2010, Gobsmacked wrote:

    Reading about the state of the India games makes me so ashamed as a British Indian. India has an astronomic level of corruption but there are millions of decent, honest, hardworking people too. I am sad to say what could have been a triumph for them has been ruined by the greed of others.

    However I also have to question the attitude of athletes like Dani Samuel who after hearing about a shooting in Delhi was 'too stressed' to compete. I hope for her sake she never finds about the rate of stabbings or shootings in London, otherwise she won't be at the 2012 Olympics either.

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  • 87. At 8:04pm on 21 Sep 2010, desitipu wrote:

    intruder2010 wrote:
    I bet for next 25 years no government in India will talk about hosting any Olympic games or even another CW games.
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    Do not bet on it. These buffoons do not see such events as a showcase for the nation. they view it as an opportunity to make money on the kickbacks!

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  • 88. At 8:10pm on 21 Sep 2010, injun_nc wrote:

    This is shameful. I am embarrassed for India. Even if the games are not doomed, the damage is done. Doubt if India could ever expect any other major world-wide event like the CWG to come its way. So much for "India Shining" or whatever that hokey slogan was.

    The people responsible for this mess ought to drown in a spoonful of water.

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  • 89. At 8:11pm on 21 Sep 2010, fenderac30 wrote:

    I was out in Delhi very briefly in February this year and saw numerous construction works being carried out on bridges, flyovers, roads etc whilst travelling in the city. Coming from a civil engineering background I was absolutely horrified at the standard and quality of construction and the way works where being organised and carried out.

    It doesn't surprise me that the construction works are behind schedule and that a bridge has collapsed. Yes Soutik your correct the Indian way doesn't work. It's a shame because India is wonderful country to visit, but this is going to do India's reputation no good at all - well at least Delhi's!

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  • 90. At 8:14pm on 21 Sep 2010, lacplesis37 wrote:

    #50 A Kar - Nice one!

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  • 91. At 8:14pm on 21 Sep 2010, injun_nc wrote:

    Another thought comes to mind....based on history I think it is safe to say that the Brits governed India better than they govern their little island. And Indians do better in Britain than they can in India.

    How about a friendly arrangement guys? Maybe, a merger of the two countries is in order?

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  • 92. At 8:17pm on 21 Sep 2010, Suyash wrote:

    International Games are not new to India. She hosted Asian Games in '52 and '84. The sad thing is that govt., people and organizers have learned nothing from the mistakes of '84, nor even tried to emulate good things that rose out of '84. The documents have been lost, from where past experience could have been drawn. That way, at least India would have managed to host 'not the Beijing-kind Olympics', but good enough games. I agree with some of the posts above - I too wish that Games do fail so that some officials, politicians get the flak. Else, anyways they are happy looting the Indian taxpayer.

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  • 93. At 8:23pm on 21 Sep 2010, Allan Edinburgh wrote:

    To Scott NYC: get real, the British left India years ago and they (the Indians) have had plenty of time to develop their own corrupt systems. I suppose all the problems the USA curently has are due to the British and the French since we were colonisers of North America at one time. Maybe all our problems in Britain are due to those pesky Roman invaders and colonisers some 2000 years ago.

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  • 94. At 8:33pm on 21 Sep 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    I would love to see India succeed but, even if it does, the wealth generated does not filter through to all & sundry like, say, Italy.

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  • 95. At 8:35pm on 21 Sep 2010, DAVID SAUL wrote:

    When I worked in Nigeria, a Nigerian friend told me this joke:-

    A conference for Multinational Construction Companies was held in Delhi. A Nigerian MD and a Indian MD chatted over a drink. The Indian MD said we have just completed a contract for a 100 km motorway very successfully and everybody was pleased. Intrigued the Nigerian said “fantastic!I would you show it to me please”. So the Nigerian and Indian drove along the motorway and the Nigerian was impressed at its apparent high specification and design. After 50 km the driver and road stopped.
    I thought you said it was 100km the Nigerian exclaimed?” “Yes” said the Indian MD, “But that’s the way we do things in India”!

    The following year the event was held in Lagos and the same two MD’s met over a drink. The Nigerian said how pleased he was as his company had just completed a contract for building a bridge over the Niger. The Indian was pleased for his friend, so they went to look at it. When they arrived at the site on the banks of the Niger the Nigerian said “THERE” The Indian said “I can't see a bridge” The Nigerian replied “No my friend but that is the way we do things in Nigeria. My next contract is an underwater oil pipeline".

    The west does not understand Third World countries where the bribery and corruption is open. In a western country it continues but undercover with a nudge nudge wink wink. I think BAE understand. The government wants to look easy peazy squeaky clean so hence the enquiry into MP’s expenses………. There are wealthy, rich, middle class, poor and starving. We need a change in society to survive. I’m sure NATURE will change us first, as it probably it changed society on Mars.....

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  • 96. At 8:37pm on 21 Sep 2010, Economically ignorant wrote:

    Totally agree with all the comments regarding the corruption and staggering incompetence from the Indian government in implementing the infrastructure for these games.

    However on a slightly lighter note, dunno if anyone else found the comments from Mr Lalit Bhanot on the differing standards in cleanliness between the 'WEST' and India slightly amusing.I wonder if his own house has dogs wondering around with pools of muddy water everywhere excrement in the wrong places (one can only surmise as to what that last part of that statement could mean).

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  • 97. At 8:52pm on 21 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    95. At 8:35pm on 21 Sep 2010, DAVID SAUL wrote:

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    awesome

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  • 98. At 9:17pm on 21 Sep 2010, Alan wrote:

    Are we really surprised about this?

    It has been coming that a major competition will be cancelled as the facilities are not ready. The Olympic Stadium in Athens was only completed only a few months before the opening ceremony, and despite the 'success' of the World Cup in South Africa, the roads and infrastructure, which was promised, was never completed.

    And now we've got the 2012 Euro Championships, which are supposed to be in Ukraine and Poland, but both countries are having problems building the stadia and infrastructure, and I still cannot believe that the Olympics and the World Cup are heading to Brazil, after the problems they had in holding the Pan-American Games in 2007, where most of the infrastructure that was promised, still hasn't been built!!

    It's come to a point where the sporting organisations who 'award' these hosting responsibilities should insist around half of the buildings/stadia should be built BEFORE letting countries bid. It would then stop bids promising things that they cannot deliver.

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  • 99. At 9:24pm on 21 Sep 2010, signinmoredisplaynameerrorisempty wrote:

    This is terrible, but I am hardly surprised. Corruption and incompetence have long since spiraled out of control in India. Honest and competent folks try to leave as quickly as possible if they have the means to do so, and contribute to other nations' economies instead. If they stay they are harassed or worse---remember Satyendra Dubey? The Indian political class and bureaucracy (and lately the media) have betrayed the people over and over. The security of the country is in a shambles, people are starving, there is massive unemployment, the country is being sold piece by piece to corporations and common people are being evicted to make room, infrastructure is decaying, repeated natural disasters but yet zero preparedness and planning, and all the while a few robber barons, politicians and bureaucrats are getting rich off their loot. Consider the following facts:
    1. The ten richest Indians have a combined net personal worth of $155.9 billion [1].
    2. The ten largest Indian corporations have a combined market value of $193.53 billion [2].
    3. The declared assets of all members of the 2009 Lok Sabha have a combined value of $619 million [3].
    On the other hand:
    1. India ranks 134th out of 182 countries in the Human Development Index [4].
    2. The country ranks 85th out of 194 countries in the Quality of Life index [5].
    3. It ranks 125th out of 178 countries in the Satisfaction with Life index [6].
    Where is the light at the end of this tunnel the nation is in? And if there is one---is it an oncoming train?

    [1] Forbes.com India’s Richest, November 2009, http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/77/india-billionaires-09_Indias-Richest_FinalWorth.html
    [2] Forbes.com Global 2000, April 2009, http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/18/global-09_The-Global-2000_Counrty.html
    [3] Analysis of criminal and financial details of 15th Lok Sabha (2009), National Election Watch, Association for Democratic Reform [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]
    [4] List of Countries by Human Development Index, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
    [5] International Living 2010 Quality of Life Index, http://internationalliving.com/2010/02/quality-of-life-2010/
    [6] Satisfaction with Life Index, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisfaction_with_Life_Index

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  • 100. At 9:28pm on 21 Sep 2010, Rohit wrote:

    Lesson number 1 - Use a vacuum cleaner to clean the rubbish, not a broom. It is more efficient.

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  • 101. At 9:29pm on 21 Sep 2010, Munasinghe wrote:

    Lets be honest about it. India should never have been given the games. Even my Lanka would have done a better job than India. The problem with India is that it is too poor and there is too much poverty. The money would have been better utilised for poverty reduction. Instead India takes on fancy projects while other countries subsidises Indian poverty alleviation programmes. Take their space programme for example, UK provides more money per year for poverty alleviation in India than India spends on the space programme. Why should any country give money to India when it cares more about space than its own citizens. Next time India comes with a begging bowl, say NO.

    Indian standards for hygiene is different from any other countries. In India, it is okay to defecate on the road in public view. This is just not acceptable. This is the reason why they claim the athletes' village is world class while everyone else thinks it is unhygienic.

    Lastly, let us not blame India. Blame the CW sports committee for giving the games to India when it is far from ready to do it in terms of planning, economic might, etc. It is laughable that India thought it could better Chinese Olympics or even Shakira's Waka Waka.

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  • 102. At 9:30pm on 21 Sep 2010, Rohit wrote:

    India will win most medals! Why? Because there will be no outsider to compete with.

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  • 103. At 9:54pm on 21 Sep 2010, Anton wrote:

    I am not sure if these Games will be a success because cricket has almost a monopoly in India while football is quite popular in small pockets in the East and the deep South as well as the former Portuguese colony of Goa in the West, and I feel people will only get to the Commonwealth stadium and watch half-heartedly all the action.

    Even WWF (WWE as it is now called and not technically a sport) is probably second to cricket over there in terms of popularity, in part to the success of the Great Khali, an Indian wrestler.

    Also, I feel India, a major economic power these days, should not be participating in the Commonwealth Games - a remnant of the days of slavery when the East India Company came to trade but instead ruled.

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  • 104. At 10:09pm on 21 Sep 2010, KK wrote:

    This is just ridiculous! Stop blaming Britania for the issues and start getting out of a "slave mentality". (Not to forget that we were looted for centuries9. However, Indian IT and other companies are indeed successful for a very big part because we are all educated in English. If you want to do it right, do it right. Democrarcy does not mean things always work just the way it is perfect!

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  • 105. At 10:20pm on 21 Sep 2010, steve wrote:

    I think this is a potential disaster, but the games should go ahead. Top atheletes are withdrawing, as we speak, before more are lost it is a case for organization. If the village is not up to scratch, atheletes should be accom. in hotels, of course, and this should be made clear. Unbuilt/unready stadiums are a more difficult issue. Single out the stadium/s more advanced in structure, concentrate on them for completion, abandon any that are beyond hope of completion. This games will be a muddle-through, but if canceled, I think it will just confirm our view in the west about certain Asian countries incompetence. That Will not be good in the long run> India has many problems regarding corruption, this they will need to sort out for themselves..that is for another day.

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  • 106. At 10:33pm on 21 Sep 2010, steve wrote:

    @Globalcricket

    I think you may have missed the point. India ("a maor economic power") has messed up big-time here. The country is in danger of being a laughing stock internationally if they fail to pull this together. Whether or not India, along with other nations of the world (Australia, Canada and the UK nations, for example)will wish to parcipate in this event in the future, is becoming increasingly doubtful, after this farce. If India wishes to be taken seriously as a "major economic power", then it needs to get staging of events like this right in the eyes of the world. Cannot you are your politians see that?

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  • 107. At 10:33pm on 21 Sep 2010, Yeababy_Lets_Rock wrote:

    AT! this moderator(?) whoever she/he IS OR is it!..... my posted message @#68 (At 6:57pm on 21 Sep 2010, you wrote:) SPEAKS! THE TRUTH!.

    funny! an educated person of yourCALIBERS(?) looooooves TOOOOOO KEEELLLLLL THEEEEE REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL MESSAGE!

    PS: - I NEVER BROKE THE HOUSE RULES!

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  • 108. At 10:38pm on 21 Sep 2010, Yeababy_Lets_Rock wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 109. At 10:42pm on 21 Sep 2010, Yeababy_Lets_Rock wrote:

    This comment has been referred for further consideration. Explain

  • 110. At 10:45pm on 21 Sep 2010, Varoon P Anand wrote:

    Dear Mr. Biswas,

    I am an Indian. I was born in Delhi but spent the entirety of my life outside India, visiting once a year with my family. I came to India recently with the intention to live here.

    After today's events I felt a great deal of anger. I felt a great deal more after I heard the responses from Mr. Lalit Bhanot, Jaipal Reddy and Ms. Sheila Dikshit dismissing the bridge collapse as a "minor" matter. I then went onto the Facebook page for the Commonwealth Games XIX and immediately volunteered to help in any way I could be it cleaning toilets or even mending walls. (If you look at the page you might be able to gauge the administration of the state of the games just from the statements made by volunteers and the response I got to my request to volunteer.)

    Delhi is very angry city this day. The callousness and disregard shown by the officials has reached a boiling point. It's become very hard to accept the responses provided by the people involved like Mr. Kalmadi who stated that India had a different definition of hygiene than the western world. My frank opinion now is that the games should be cancelled. Not due to any worry of terrorist attacks, but the bridge collapsed demonstrated that the basic requirements for athlete or spectator security have simply not been met.

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  • 111. At 10:52pm on 21 Sep 2010, Raj Chadha wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 112. At 11:14pm on 21 Sep 2010, Patinho wrote:

    ScottNYC: Beatifully reverting to stereotype.

    Though in fairness I am surprised you didn't blame British Petroleum...

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  • 113. At 11:18pm on 21 Sep 2010, BloodyPomsnYanks wrote:

    Once again outsourcing (in this case the Games) is cheaper but at what cost? Great idea going 3rd world for the games. Something tells me the Olympics won't be there any time soon.

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  • 114. At 11:21pm on 21 Sep 2010, BloodyPomsnYanks wrote:

    Also as for those bashing Olympics in Atlanta how can we defend Georgia. Most of us in the USA that don't live in the 3rd world backwards southern US hate it and don't consider it representative of our great country.

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  • 115. At 11:31pm on 21 Sep 2010, BloodyPomsnYanks wrote:

    All posts are heavily censored and will be approved only after the story becomes totally irrelevant. Down with Beep so glad my fees don't pay for it.

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  • 116. At 11:58pm on 21 Sep 2010, steve wrote:

    @ BloodyPomsnYanks, it is "THE BEEB" are you Australian perhaps? dahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol. We know u a bit slow, so make allowances

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  • 117. At 00:20am on 22 Sep 2010, U wrote:

    This is turning out to be a shameful exercise in vanity. These games are a waste of time, and do nothing to enhance our reputation or standing.
    I for one would vote for the games to be cancelled right away.
    And we have the Delhi chief minister blaming the rain gods!!!
    Utter incompetence.

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  • 118. At 00:37am on 22 Sep 2010, GN wrote:

    In 1982 I watched the spectacle of the first Commonwealth games held in this very city with admiration and pride - well organised and superbly done. Delhi today is unfit for human consumption - let alone any kind of event. On the other hand, the term Commonwealth itself is a hypocrisy isn't it - there is neither 'wealth' nor 'common' ownership - all the world's loot is stocked in London's Victoria and Albert Museum!!

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  • 119. At 00:41am on 22 Sep 2010, Tom_in_Exeter wrote:

    I see that the guy responsible for organising this mayhem is now claiming that the problems are simply due to different definitions of "clean" in different countries. Staggering! I've been visiting India for over 30 years and, with one or two exceptions, have always managed to find accommodation that is as clean as anywhere in the world. This idiot is obviously in the wrong job - but that's a Delhi speciality - and the problem with putting the Commonwealth Games there. India is a great place to visit - wonderful friendly people and good, if sometimes different, services. But, and it's a big but, I can think of dozens of Indian cities where I would have put the Games before Delhi. In terms of climate, ambience, security, and efficiency, Pune would probably have been the best bet.

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  • 120. At 00:47am on 22 Sep 2010, curriedrice wrote:

    Where do you begin? Here's India's chance to show the world it can pull something major off and show far its come.

    But as long as the people do not stand up against corruption in daily life this will hold the country back. It will prevent other countries from investing in India.

    As far as the excuses about the "Indian way of doing business" and "foreign hygiene standards" - what nonsense! These are the comments of people who believe India isn't ever going to be a developed country and make excuses for nothing.

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  • 121. At 00:53am on 22 Sep 2010, GN wrote:

    118-typo- Commonwealth 1982 should have read ASIAD 1982

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  • 122. At 01:20am on 22 Sep 2010, Musaab Al-Saleem wrote:

    Its sad to hear that these things are hapenning in India. After all this is the land that produced Ghandi and Nehru, people everyone around the world respects and quote.

    Curruption is a huge problem in many countries around the world, but it rarely reaches the level of distroying an international event as is the case here.

    I still have great hopes for India as its past shows its capable of brining great laders, lets hope one will emerge in the aftermath of this mess to lead this great country to where it deserves to be.

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  • 123. At 01:22am on 22 Sep 2010, Peter Hodge wrote:

    In view of the fact that more and more sports are being shown to be corrupt, perhaps the games should be canceled.

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  • 124. At 01:38am on 22 Sep 2010, duckie wrote:


    hmmm...oh dear...who ever gave the idea of india actually being a power on par with China??? Hmmm...let us make an educated guess...'bollywood'!!

    India is a fact far less developed country than its neighbour Pakistan not only that its poverty levels are higher than its neighbour Pakistan...so how India could have projected that kind of power against China?? Illusion!!

    Or...why dont the organisors call a press conference and openly blame Pakistan's ISI for all the mess!

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  • 125. At 03:05am on 22 Sep 2010, BrokenBlackberry wrote:

    I didn't even know that there is a Commonwealth Games scheduled for this year, let alone that it is in Delhi. I'm not totally stupid, and I keep up with current affairs reasonably well, so I doubt if I'm in a minority in this regard.

    In which case, I have to say, what a rubbish job the Indian authorities have done about publicising the event and using it to attract visitors.

    I read that these Games have cost one billion dollars. One billion! And yet there will be no commercial benefit for India, the facilities are incomplete, substandard, filthy and dangerous, beggars and street traders have been rounded up and hidden from sight, many workers have died during the construction works, corruption is rampant and poverty endemic.

    The UK really does need to stop giving India so much foreign aid. All they do is waste money on space programmes, nuclear weapons and pointless events like the Commonwealth Games that very few people are interested in, other than the competitors.

    It is time India put its hand in its own pocket and did something about the terrible poverty so many of its citizens needlessly endure, instead of greedily taking the money offered by well-meaning foreign governments and charities.

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  • 126. At 04:11am on 22 Sep 2010, Michelle_D wrote:

    I have read all comments posted so far and have these observations:

    1. ScottNYC apparently blamed British colonisation for India's woes but he surely did not go far enough. As Allan Edinburgh (comment 93) pointed out, long before that the Romans were in Britain – and for a good many more years than the Brits were in India. Even earlier, of course, there were the Vikings and the Angles, the latter of Germanic origin, so it therefore follows that the Danish, Germans and Romans should share the blame for current British and, by extension, Commonwealth woes. Dear me but the blame game gets monotonously dreary, doesn't it.

    2. The Commonwealth is not some redundant leftover tradition of the British Empire as many seem to think. It's an economic and social network that has been, and continues to be, surprisingly effective, so much so that, to this day, countries are still applying for membership. However, you can be forgiven for not knowing any of this. Such political successes lack drama and make for dull reading as far as the media is concerned so the Commonwealth continues to operate quietly in the background - until the Games come around.

    3. The media are getting plenty of drama from the Commonwealth Games this time round and for good reason; there are dramas aplenty in Delhi.
    * The Games Organising Committee Secretary General, Lalit Bhanot, is labouring under the fantastically naïve delusion that what he says, because he says it, will become the accepted perception. Perhaps it is so in the sheltered corruption of his own office but, he may be dismayed to discover, it doesn't wash with anyone else. I hope the world's media continue to hammer him and his cronies with this fact of life. To claim that the athletes' accommodation is better than that at Beijing and that India's standards of cleanliness differ from those of western cultures is so outrageously wrong it's ludicrous.
    * The cleaning of the athletes' accommodation is so vast a job and so painfully slow that the task is highly unlikely to be completed on time – where does that leave the athletes?
    * Civil engineer, fenderac30 (comment 89), was “absolutely horrified at the standard and quality of construction”. The number of construction site deaths and the recent collapse of a footbridge all point inevitably to extremely unsafe work practices and raises to a critical level the probability of further deaths and injuries from building collapse.
    * The Indian Mujahideen threat of violence during the Commonwealth Games is all the more frightening when you consider the incredible ineptitude of the Organising committee and their friends in government – no reasonable person could possibly believe them when they say that their security measures will safeguard all those at the Games. It's very likely that their security standards match their hygiene standards.
    * The chances of the Games venues being washed out by flooding increases every day. India is experiencing much higher than average Monsoon rains and Delhi's Yamuna River is already flowing almost a meter over the danger level with more rain to come. It may well be only way for the Organising Committee to save face, ie cancellation of the Games due to flooding! That, if it happens, may be the best possible result in the circumstances.








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  • 127. At 04:19am on 22 Sep 2010, Michelle_D wrote:

    Incidentally, why have we not seen images depicting the conditions of the athletes' village? Who's responsible for that little cover-up?

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  • 128. At 04:24am on 22 Sep 2010, Refurbished Blackberry wrote:

    duckie, you may be kidding but it is really due to Pakistan's ISI. By God, if there wouldn't be ISI there, the games might be the best ever the world has seen. Yesterday, Manmohan Singh has declared in a news conference, if the games are cancelled, this time India will not forgive Pakistan and will teach her a lessen that she will never forget

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  • 129. At 04:46am on 22 Sep 2010, Harshad Trivedi wrote:

    These games are already a disaster. Instead of debating whether this money should have been spent on developing India's horrendously outdated infrastructure, we get people like WSalik who cant do anything but try to conjure up fear of Pakistan's seemingly omnipotent ISI. What a great distraction from what's REALLY wrong with how things are done in India.

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  • 130. At 04:50am on 22 Sep 2010, indian view wrote:

    why are we blaming the politicians? every single person living in delhi was aware of the mess. we all watched and read the news stories on the level of corruption in CWG 2010. why didn't we protest then? why didn't we take to the streets? and why are we embarrassed now? just because people other than us are getting to see the mess??? why blame the government and its agencies for taking bribes when we are the ones giving it to them? the truth is that we are not interested in weeding out corruption because we want the illegal constructions in our homes to stay, we want to get out of paying challans by giving a li'l something to the traffic cops, we want our companies to evade paying taxes and continue exploiting employees, we want our companies to win government contracts, we want to avoid long lines and we want to get out of trouble easily when we get caught breaking the rules. we are all ok with corruption as long as we are profiting from it and whine only if it is inconvenient to us. delhi is a selfish, uncaring, unethical, filthy city and deserves the politicians it gets. it's time we do some introspection and following a zero tolerance approach to corruption - even if it is inconvenient. boycott corrupt politicians,make a big deal of their disproportionate assets, snitch on our neighbours and family members, take to the streets, do whatever it takes to clean things up. if we can do it for jessica lal and priyadarshini mattoo, why can't we do it for our city???
    and as for the delegates/athletes/others visiting delhi for CWG -
    1. we are NOT ready
    2. we CANNOT guarantee that our bridges, flyovers and games venues would stay up and not collapse on you, because we know that their quality has been severely compromised.
    3. We CANNOT guarantee your security - not just from terrorists, but also from shopkeepers, cab drivers and ordinary men in crowded places.
    4. Unlike what our politicians claim, most of us are aware of basic hygiene, but we cannot guarantee it, because people will spit, piss and defecate on the roads.
    5. We are sorry and will try to make up for it by being friendly, for whatever it is worth!!!

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  • 131. At 04:53am on 22 Sep 2010, Harshad Trivedi wrote:

    I forgot to mention how upsetting it is that these games were meant to project a rising India, and have turned into a disaster that highlights how backwards and third-world we are. As soon as visitors walk out of our brand new airport, they'll see the reality that will counter their notions of India as a rising power. Instead of a Shanghai boom, they'll see Delhi slums (and mind you, Delhi is a rich city by Indian standards).

    This episode has me thinking that we have prematurely labelled ourselves a superpower. How can we be a superpower when we cant even hold these commonwealth games?

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  • 132. At 05:13am on 22 Sep 2010, rushJudge wrote:

    Why is it that the world rushes to prejudge any big event that happens in a poor country? And the people who make most noise are the British, closely followed by Australians. Remember the world cup in WI, Beijing Olympic(China is not a poor country though)? India, home to some of the best hotels in the world, ranked by reputable magazines, can be very successful hosting any event and usually is. I have been to London and it has some corners which would probably be unacceptable in most third world countries. Maybe, the western countries who are in a hurry to withdraw, can take their prima donna, sissy hats off and try and help make this a good event, instead of throwing a hissy fit at every opportunity that they get.

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  • 133. At 05:19am on 22 Sep 2010, Mera_Bharat_Mahan wrote:

    The Congress Party with Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi should get out of the cozy houses they live to come and display their leadership skills if they EVER HAVE ONE to fix the Games in 12 days.Can they do it?I don't think they have the caliber!!

    Is is total shame that the bridge collapsed when it was hardly over used or even used.It is plain CORRUPTION and Congress has made money with its comrades in this Project.

    If Narendra Modi would have taken mantle of the Games,he would have DELIVERED results.And Congress will sing the Communal tone sonorously.Now India sings to the debacle of the Congress.Even when travelling by the Metro,one can see rubble still uncleaned.

    CONGRESS HAS FAILED INDIA.OUR ECONOMIST PM CAN BE ECONOMIC ADVISOR,NOT A NATIONAL LEADER TO SPEARHEAD INDIA in 21'st century.When will he stop taking advice from Sonia Gandhi?

    PM has not fixed the Games after saying,he will directly supervise it.IS THIS SUPERVISION?HE COULD NOT FIX his mealy mouthed ministeres or the 2G/3G wavelength issue.

    MANMOHAN AND SONIA have bungled the term called "Leadership".They are UNFIT to govern India and their ineptness is costing India dear.

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  • 134. At 05:30am on 22 Sep 2010, shambhuambika wrote:

    As a patriotic Indian, I wish and pray that these games end in a disaster.

    This way the corrupt officials won't have an opportunity to claim with impunity that they did a great work and the games were a success.

    With help from an alert media, it is time we tell these corrupt, shameless politicians and bureaucrats that there days are now finally over.

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  • 135. At 05:43am on 22 Sep 2010, sujathar wrote:

    strange as it may sound,there are many patriotic indians who almost hope that these games are a failure,because when there are millions of our countrymen languishing in poverty and then you hear the incredible amounts of money which have been wasted on these games (and the shameless corruption involved),which far from benefitting the poor,have in fact made lives worse for the common man,this just makes my blood boil.i really really hope that these games are a resounding failure so that nobody dares to think of hosting a similar event again in the country.for those talking about the country's pride,i don't want to showcase false images of the country to gather pride.i want to be proud of my country as one , where each and everyone of my fellow countrymen, is able to live a life of dignity.

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  • 136. At 07:50am on 22 Sep 2010, Pancha Chandra wrote:

    Give the organisers the space to set things rights. I have seen strong buildings being built in New Delhi and in other Indian cities. Take a look at the Taj Mahal, the Red Fort, India Gate etc these buildings have survived for centuries. India has excellent architects, builders who have made the nation proud. However there are a few unscrupulous builders who have put the profit motive above the nation's glory: these are the guilty ones who need to be named and shamed. Common on India you can can still do it! India has fine institutions, the Indian Institutes where the world's best technologists are taught and trained. India has to look forward and show the world that these games can still be salvaged!

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  • 137. At 08:11am on 22 Sep 2010, jeevatma wrote:

    I feel ashamed by the way this is going. At least some punishment would have been nice, but most probably the corrupt officials will get away - with our money and our pride and we'll be left with shame.

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  • 138. At 08:19am on 22 Sep 2010, _desi_ wrote:

    The recent collapse of the pedestrian bridge is like I am watching khatta meetha live..ha ha.

    I guess Brithishers are the one responsible for all this mess in the country since they left us without properly developing civic rules.

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  • 139. At 08:22am on 22 Sep 2010, TheTopBrummieCat wrote:

    How desperately sad for the people of India, its officials have been trusted with responsibility for large amounts of money, the safety of its workers and the expectations and honour of a Nation in the eyes of the World.

    They have failed on all counts and having done so many within will question if they can ever trust their leaders to assist those on the lowest rungs of India's ladder if they cant even take pride in being successful on those higher up.

    Shame shame shame.

    The athletes though, with all the rich trappings and pampering that they usually used to, owe India a greater reward and should honour the commitments to take part and overcome India's leaders failings. They owe it to the people not the leadership. It might just be the greatest 'giving' act of human & communal spirit that India needs.

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  • 140. At 08:48am on 22 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    136. At 07:50am on 22 Sep 2010, Pancha Chandra wrote:

    Give the organisers the space to set things rights. I have seen strong buildings being built in New Delhi and in other Indian cities. Take a look at the Taj Mahal, the Red Fort, India Gate etc these buildings have survived for centuries. India has excellent architects, builders who have made the nation proud. However there are a few unscrupulous builders who have put the profit motive above the nation's glory: these are the guilty ones who need to be named and shamed. Common on India you can can still do it! India has fine institutions, the Indian Institutes where the world's best technologists are taught and trained. India has to look forward and show the world that these games can still be salvaged!
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    Well Pancha Chandra...Its all good n that with all the pep talk n stuff and I would also assume u maybe Indian n do not live there ...The buildings u talk about were built centuries ago and of a different era where labour and architects were of a different breed and who had timelines to be completed for the fear of their lives....compare that to today...Its not the architects that the problem its the building licenses , materials used and timelines that is ....How do u explain about these games where they were awarded in 2003 but work on the projects started in 2008...If u come up with an explanation then I rest my case but I'm afraid not so u can stop with the holier than thou attitude and be a part of the segment where we demand accountability

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  • 141. At 08:55am on 22 Sep 2010, tkrypton wrote:

    Simply doomed. These games are dead in the water. Corruption and filth abound.

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  • 142. At 08:56am on 22 Sep 2010, Gerald wrote:

    Our politicians really wanted to show our strength but instead it has exposed all our weaknesses. I am glad that this is happening because this is the only way were we might expect some accountability in our country and hope this will be a good lesson.

    Forget corruption and all that is happening with organizing the games, our system is so against sports and sports people because the system sees them as non-productive. Sportsmen in India are always looked down as if our athlete are into sports because they have nothing else to offer or not RICH or POWERFUL enough!

    I am glad this is happening because it is exposing exactly what is wrong with India.

    If India wish to salvage anything from this games, they should donate the whole games village to the future benefit of our Indian sportsmen rather to some bureaucrat or sell it as real estate to some thick businessmen!

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  • 143. At 08:57am on 22 Sep 2010, James Palmer wrote:

    I am a Brit that has worked in India and in Dubai with many talented and able Indian engineers and technicians. That India has the ability to deliver a 1st class games is not in doubt in my mind.

    It is that which makes this story so much worse. What a missed opportunity. Hopefully it will result in enough embarrassment in India that the people will get a grip and start tackling the endemic corruption that taints so much of Indian politics and holds back this amazing country and people.

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  • 144. At 09:01am on 22 Sep 2010, Bath Tub Economics wrote:

    The people I'm worried about are those standing in the stands in the stadium. Just how safe are they?

    And any business who has shipped their back office work out there, ask yourself just how secure it is if Indian officials can't even make sure a flagship event is completed to standard?

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  • 145. At 09:07am on 22 Sep 2010, Jsg wrote:

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  • 146. At 09:13am on 22 Sep 2010, hizento wrote:

    India is corrupt but never really subject to critism by western media even though the country has the caste system that treat 72% of its people as underclass bereft of human rights. The critism of Chinese human rights and corruption should be more apropriately directed towards India. Zimbabwe is a multi party democracy but they too are in shambles.
    North Korea could have done a better job than India.

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  • 147. At 09:22am on 22 Sep 2010, Big Nev wrote:

    Post 139 wrote that the athletes should forget their high morales and just turn up and compete.
    I have tried to compete when I have felt ill and it doesn't work.
    If the sanitation is of the same standard that I have seen in some places in India I'm not sure anyone would want to go!!
    To say that India has differing standards of hygiene tom the West is a gross understatement. It tries to cover up the the fact that if hygiene is poor in multi-person dwellings disease will spread and spread quickly.
    If I had been fortunate to be selected to represent my country I, too, would have doubts about competing in this doomed venue!!

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  • 148. At 09:23am on 22 Sep 2010, Cantab wrote:

    I can't understand why people have to refer a specific problem to something unrelated such as: colonial history, political process, human rights, religion ...etc.

    In any of such cases, one can find numerous examples of colonies and corrupt political regimes holding brilliant and terrible events. Where is the correlation, or do we only choose to remember examples that fit our agenda?

    Perhaps the reason is a lot simpler, and there isn't as much enthusiasm in the games in India than there should be for a host?

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  • 149. At 09:30am on 22 Sep 2010, RubberNutz wrote:

    I wasn't filled with much hope about this when I saw a program about the games a year or so ago and saw a group of construction workers wearing flip-flops.

    I appreciate we're a little too 'health and safety' over in the UK but if you're going to be taken seriously then you've got to do things properly and at least look like you know what you're doing.

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  • 150. At 09:36am on 22 Sep 2010, cry 4sense wrote:

    I AM a proud and HONEST INDIAN and I AM ASHAMED at the CORRUPT BUREAUCRATS,CORRUPT GOVT DEPARTMENTS colluding with CORRUPT BUSINESSES
    THEY DON'T CARE about anything except making as much money as possible!!!! WHO RUNS INDIA !!!! INDIANS ARE SAYING under this mess of TOTAL CORRUPTION & MORAL BANKRUPTCY, WE ARE DOOMED !!!!!!!!

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  • 151. At 09:39am on 22 Sep 2010, Kris wrote:

    Just like everything else in India, the Games will be staged and will be proclaimed a success. All this stuff will be swept under the carpet when the Games begin. It will be talked about for a few days and then all forgotten until the next issue comes and so on.

    Everybody knows that and definitely the politicians know that all too well. Thats they they just dont care and keep swindling. Thats what makes them say that a bridge collapse is a minor thing et al.

    In India this is called 'Chalta hai' i.e. anything goes. Indians are so used to this and it is this culture that makes them accept mediocrity in almost every aspect of life - because there is no other choice!

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  • 152. At 09:44am on 22 Sep 2010, cry 4sense wrote:

    In response to 145s lack of knowledge about India, our Prime minister is SIKH, leader of governing party is CATHOLIC, President is a woman and last president was MUSLIM. These are all from so called minorities, and DALITS put the final boot into anything ever suggested by the so maligned HINDU SUPREMACY!!!!!!!
    I SO WISH I WAS A BORN in a MINORITY GROUP as CORRUPT INDIAN!!!!!

    WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!

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  • 153. At 09:50am on 22 Sep 2010, Tony B wrote:

    This is what you get from unregulated market capitalism - and exactly what our governments want for us. And we sit and take it.

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  • 154. At 09:56am on 22 Sep 2010, AbLondon wrote:

    I am from Delhi and came to UK 3 years ago. I had my doubts about India staging the games even about 4 years ago. Well, I guess India needed this. If we do not tackle the problems promptly and continue to sweep them under the carpet, such things are bound to happen. Corruption has been India's problem for a long time. There is nothing new about it. As an Indian, I have to take the blame for what is going wrong becasue I have voted for some of the people in the Government that is supposedly managing/ mismanaging the games. The only thing that I am hoping for is that India will now stop talking about comparisons with China and focus on building itslef up properly. I hope that something good comes out of this mess.

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  • 155. At 09:58am on 22 Sep 2010, Mera_Bharat_Mahan wrote:

    Probably we Indians should pray to the Elephant God Ganesh to remove all the obstacles and help us Save face as our Congress and its comrades will lead us to precipice.

    As for the Australian and Brit authorities and athletes,why do we always see whining from these countries.I guess we should not have agreed to a colonial legacy "COMMON WEALTH GAMES" in the first place.So we might as well ask Britain and Australia to withdraw from the Games if they cannot see everything like their country.It would have been wise for India to invest and execute right for ASIAN GAMES

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  • 156. At 10:04am on 22 Sep 2010, Gerald wrote:

    If our system had any sensitivity on the ethos of sports or in solving our regional crises, the games should have been held in MANIPUR. The Rs. 20,000 Crores would have uplifted the North-East from poverty and conflict and supported our extremely talented north-eastern sportsmen, which by the way represents a majority in Indian sports.

    Being Indian, I am so ashamed with what is happening...

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  • 157. At 10:07am on 22 Sep 2010, AyJayBee wrote:

    Considering the current state of world finances, how can so much money be justifiably spent by an impoverished country! The principle of International Games is ideal in an ideal world, but can we afford to aspire to such principles?

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  • 158. At 10:15am on 22 Sep 2010, Manu_fan wrote:

    Ban Kalmadi...from holding any public office at any level with immediate effect.Also India needs a sports minister from real sports background and not just any politician.

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  • 159. At 10:15am on 22 Sep 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    Let us put a brave face & let the Games go ahead. There may still be surprises ahead & if these turn out to be most unwelcome then we can say that, with the greatest forbearance, we have not turned our backs on India.

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  • 160. At 10:16am on 22 Sep 2010, Rahul wrote:

    ok, sitting on BENCH and being so called satelite patriotic, i have time and want to say the following.

    1962 taught Indian politicans the importance of Military so i hope and wish that 2010 will teach these same people the importance of what is called as TIME MANAGEMENT and INFRASTRUCTRE QUALITY, if lessons learnt the comming years will change the fate of the Billions if not the India you see today will be the same one after another 50 years, still people queing outside embassies of every tom dick and harry country but India !!!

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  • 161. At 10:17am on 22 Sep 2010, Manu_fan wrote:

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  • 162. At 10:29am on 22 Sep 2010, James_England wrote:

    Shame on you Scott. For me, you have captured wonderfully the essencence of why the rest of the world feels the way they do about America.

    I can honestly say that I would rather go to the commonwealth games in India and stay in a tent than I would go to NYC and stay at the Ritz-Carlton - why? Because the people in India are a 1000 times nicer!

    I accept that they are having serious issues with the build but I'm sure they'll pull through. They always do.

    Regards, James

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  • 163. At 10:36am on 22 Sep 2010, Raja wrote:

    HI

    I have notices that Mr Biswas has a great ability to creat a stir. I beleives its a broken record that is on repeat. India should never had taken a responsibility which it can't fulfil.

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  • 164. At 11:04am on 22 Sep 2010, whatnotwhunot wrote:

    My oh My ... the biggest 'AOUTA KELING'!!!

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  • 165. At 11:09am on 22 Sep 2010, Jazz wrote:

    What is happening is Delhi is unfortunate for all Indian's. The Indian government has once again let its people down. No one but the people who offer or accept bribes are to blame for the current situation. You can not blame the British who left India over 60 years ago. You cannot blame Pakistan either.
    The full blame goes to the greedy politicians who think of filling their pockets rather than the good of the nation.
    Yes the Indian population elects them but they are also tricked by false promises and false hopes, for the parliament seat.
    India is moving forward, but change does not take place over night it takes time and patience.
    These games should go ahead, let the people who visit India see how we welcome them with open arms. We may not have the best stadiums or the best accommodation. But we still have open hearts and smiles for all.

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  • 166. At 11:10am on 22 Sep 2010, 1979StChristopher wrote:

    I truly hope these games do go ahead to become a great success. Beside the fact India deserve these games, every major event has initial fears. Britain’s turn will come leading up to 2012!

    Indian people are so patriotic of their country, and not aggressively so like the US, with these games a deserved opportunity to show the World how much India has progressed.

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  • 167. At 11:11am on 22 Sep 2010, den2 wrote:

    The fact is the UK should leave the Commonwealth, it has absolutly no relevance to us anymore.
    This would allow others to do likewise removing the need to hold any games, situation sorted.

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  • 168. At 11:15am on 22 Sep 2010, Sandeep Kumar wrote:

    Get out of history guys....India 'was' a former colony of Britain but so was USA. Agreed India has corrupt people but which country has'nt(read chirac for latest news), believe me Indian media/watchdog and judiciary is far better than other countries, that's why the news comes out in the first place.
    And please shrug of the burden of history will you guys, we indians have, when you will the world do it? when will people stop living in thier past?
    Live in present and future, not in past.
    US National inteligence council says India is the 3rd most powerfull counrty in the world, India is moving on, hope the world also.
    Yes, i hope the games run well

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  • 169. At 11:16am on 22 Sep 2010, David Lee Williams wrote:

    Off topic from the original blog, but there does seem to be an argument about who can host a better Olympic games; Britain or the US.

    Let's not forget the last time the US hosted the event - Atlanta - it turned out to be the worst games in recent history that was based on capitalism and commercialism.

    The games are traditionally declared the best games ever by the IOC in the closing ceremony - but the Atlanta games were not given this honour. Finally I remember some reports at the time suggesting that the bid contained lies about among other things, the summer climate in Atlanta in order to make it look more favourably.

    The London 2012 games maybe many things but it's ultimate aim is to bring the country together and to regenerate and improve facilities for the young athletes of tomorrow. So far everything looks as though it will leave a positive legacy on the country.

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  • 170. At 12:10pm on 22 Sep 2010, Vikram wrote:

    For the ones not going to be at the games venue to see what is happening, do this - go to the Chinese embassy. Consider applying for a tourist visa. Then go to the Indian embassy. You'll see the difference.

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  • 171. At 12:16pm on 22 Sep 2010, Pratik wrote:

    Sandeep, because of these thoughts, the system never changes. We don't need changes, we need revolution to upstage these corrupt leaders and get good ones reinstated.

    I feel responsible too because we aid corruption somehow the other in this country.

    Let's face it but we are not ready for staging such a prestigious game in our country as of yet.

    I just hope F1 venue does not bear the same fate.

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  • 172. At 12:30pm on 22 Sep 2010, DonRuggio wrote:

    Sport vanity continues - football, olympics, and such. While it brings people together, only the rich see it. If sport was localised and not all about money, much more would be spent on things that really matter.

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  • 173. At 12:36pm on 22 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    162. At 10:29am on 22 Sep 2010, James_England wrote:

    Thanks for your vote of confidence ...atleast the people need it..

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  • 174. At 12:47pm on 22 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    168. At 11:15am on 22 Sep 2010, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
    US National inteligence council says India is the 3rd most powerfull counrty in the world,

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    U really believe that now don't you ???

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  • 175. At 12:48pm on 22 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:


    168. At 11:15am on 22 Sep 2010, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
    US National inteligence council says India is the 3rd most powerfull counrty in the world,

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    U really believe that now don't you ???

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  • 176. At 1:11pm on 22 Sep 2010, Pras_n_Srini wrote:

    Basically, Commonwealth 2010 has been a redux of Asiad 1982 (which WERE held)--enough said!

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  • 177. At 1:11pm on 22 Sep 2010, Raja wrote:

    168. At 11:15am on 22 Sep 2010, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
    US National inteligence council says India is the 3rd most powerfull counrty in the world,

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    THey also said Iraq had WMDs but i guess its just the oil they found at the end. I can believe the OIL is a WMD as that what US wanted. If people believe what US inteligence says then i guess they don't have a mind of their own. If the "Inteligence" was so good then all this stir would neve have happened in this world.

    and Corrupt people comon guys .. how many film, dramas and media is rumming after and raising the issue but what have changed. so there is no point arguing on this platform as ur COMMENTS left here will make no difference to anyone. nothing has changed for the last 60 years so it wont change in one day.

    Thanks

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  • 178. At 1:13pm on 22 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    Pratik

    I just hope F1 venue does not bear the same fate.

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    FI will not hv the same fate simply because its a private entity thats involved in its bidding n development....similar to how India hosted the IPL ...Never trust our govt. to do the right thing

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  • 179. At 1:20pm on 22 Sep 2010, bakhtawar wrote:

    Pariah Nation !!!. 120,000 mudrers in kashmir proves this too.

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  • 180. At 1:20pm on 22 Sep 2010, Pratik wrote:

    Luketerr

    I would be glad if I could see it cover the lost glory (Commonwealth 2010 is already lost...) if we are able to do it in style.

    Regards.

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  • 181. At 1:21pm on 22 Sep 2010, sicakes wrote:

    sadly a lot of indians (pukka ones not the fakoo kind) saw this coming. but that does not excuse the snobbish response to India by western olympic groups. I am a proud Englishman whose wife is Indian and i love both countries and see them as home.

    I think comments like 'falling sick' and 'unfit for human habiataion'are unwarrented and draw negative links.

    committee chief Suresh Kalmadi as almost all indians know is a man who has heralded this mess and is a buksheesh hero... (he likes a bribe)

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  • 182. At 1:21pm on 22 Sep 2010, sicakes wrote:

    sadly a lot of indians saw this coming. but that does not excuse the snobbish response to India by western olympic groups. I am a proud Englishman whose wife is Indian and i love both countries and see them as home.

    I think comments like 'falling sick' and 'unfit for human habiataion'are unwarrented and draw negative links.

    committee chief Suresh Kalmadi as almost all indians know is a man who has heralded this mess and is a buksheesh hero... (he likes a bribe)

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  • 183. At 1:21pm on 22 Sep 2010, sicakes wrote:

    sadly a lot of indians saw this coming. but that does not excuse the snobbish response to India by western olympic groups. I am a proud Englishman whose wife is Indian and i love both countries and see them as home.

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  • 184. At 1:22pm on 22 Sep 2010, sicakes wrote:


    think comments like 'scared of falling sick' and 'unfit for human habiataion'are unwarrented and draw negative links.

    committee chief Suresh Kalmadi as almost all indians know is a man who has heralded this mess and is a buksheesh hero... (he likes a bribe)

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  • 185. At 1:24pm on 22 Sep 2010, Al wrote:

    I have travelled to India extensively and can see the corruption for what it is. India has a pretence of being an emerging power but it is still a joke 3rd world country and no amount of nuclear bombs it has can make it pretend to be anything else.

    Everything runs on Indian time. There is no rush to do anything. The best thing that could happen to India is for many of the larger nations to boycott the games. This will cause huge embarrasment and hopefully force the authorities to take things more seriously and start allowing more foreign experts to help them with these large projects instead of showing chauvanistic pride thinking they can do it themselves when they clearly can't.

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  • 186. At 1:24pm on 22 Sep 2010, sicakes wrote:


    sadly a lot of indians saw this coming.

    but the western commonwealth teams do need to grow up. i mean come on yaar this is so smacking of snobbery, doe anyone remember the south african comments?

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  • 187. At 1:24pm on 22 Sep 2010, sicakes wrote:

    this is my opinion


    sadly a lot of indians saw this coming.

    but the western commonwealth teams do need to grow up. i mean come on yaar this is so smacking of snobbery, doe anyone remember the south african comments?

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  • 188. At 1:25pm on 22 Sep 2010, sicakes wrote:


    the western commonwealth teams do need to grow up. i mean come on yaar this is so smacking of snobbery, doe anyone remember the south african comments?

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  • 189. At 1:42pm on 22 Sep 2010, bhastings wrote:

    I'm not surprised by all this as someone who can remember the goings on at Pankot Palace in 1984 and the corruption of Maharajá Zalim Singh influenced by Thugee cult leader Mola Ram.

    Thank god for Indiana Jones freeing those child slaves!!

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  • 190. At 2:17pm on 22 Sep 2010, Jay wrote:

    All the pride we Indians developed in last 15 odd years (mainly under previous NDA government) is affectively destroyed by this UPA government. This CWG fiasco is the last nail. Today I am really ashamed to be an Indian, living abroad, in a common wealth country. Each and every TV channel here are making fun and mockery of India for this fiasco. It seems that India is full of idiots who have no food in their stomach (one third of population), does not follow a decent morality level (mainly at the higher level), do not know how to run a country BUT day-dream to become superpower!

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  • 191. At 2:29pm on 22 Sep 2010, ESchrodinger wrote:

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  • 192. At 2:41pm on 22 Sep 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    179. At 1:20pm on 22 Sep 2010, bakhtawar wrote:

    Pariah Nation !!!. 120,000 mudrers in kashmir proves this t

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    incorrect information...U sound like a Pakistani...Have we invited u yet ?

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  • 193. At 2:50pm on 22 Sep 2010, d8xter wrote:

    let's face it, you knew, just like any other citizen with sense, this has been coming. India media knew this has been coming. What have they done?
    Disgusted, that is all.
    Are these game doomed? saying yes would be an understatement I'm afraid.

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  • 194. At 2:58pm on 22 Sep 2010, Paul wrote:

    @ScottNYC

    We in GB agree with everything you said. As a result we have despatched our Army, Navy and Airforce to take back our former colonies in Virginia and beyond. I hope you will be first at the Quayside when we arrive to restore order to your sad little colonial backwater.

    PS in case you don't understand this is sarcasm and irony.

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  • 195. At 3:04pm on 22 Sep 2010, ESchrodinger wrote:

    I have organised large international events in Delhi and I can't say I'm surprised at the reports. There is a tendency for decision making to be made by individuals who have little interest, actual oversight or personal involvement in the details or progress of their project once they have secured it.

    There is a considerable class gap between those who own a project and those who manage the work. Those who own a project rarely want to see what is going wrong and, let alone being pro-active or determined towards fixing it. Indians at all levels, from government ministers down, know that all Indian building projects overrun. This doesn't matter for an office block - but to build something for an event, as per specification, is something that 'Indian Standard Time' always conspires against because the people at the very top don't concern themselves with deadlines or process.


    When I work there I find myself in endless supplier meetings at director level where it would appear to a bystander that agreements are being made, but either nobody at the meeting has decision making responsibility, or, having agreed to something, they'll happily back out of it later.

    I would guess as far as the village is concerned, it's the landmark buildings - the stadia and complexes that have seen all the attention, funding and decision making. While the village, as it may be seen as a less prestigious project by those involved, has been treated as a poor cousin. I would imagine that no-one with any power at government or committee level will have thought to take it upon themselves a few months ago to identify that progress was poor and take personal responsibility for fixing it.


    A word about the athletes. With the exception of cricketers and Bollywood stars, few sportspeople and performers (unless well connected) have the same relative status in India that athletes in other countries enjoy. So there may be a view there that the village accommodation need not be that special for the athletes. The developers will bring them up to spec after the games before putting them on Dehli's inflated property market. It's worth musing that if the athletes' apartments were being built for cricketers, they would have been finished long ago and would no doubt be five star quality!

    Which brings me to the rubble and excrement and the publicised comment that hygiene standards are different from the west: no Delhi citizen is content with rubble and excrement, they wouldn't expect foreigners to be ok with it, they just put up with it as part of daily life across most of their city. The Delhi government simply doesn't see a city-wide clear up and the installation of public toilets as a need, though Delhi's citizens would very munch like to see it done.

    A final note, having been a visitor on a few occasions to central government offices in Delhi, there is rubble, dodgy wiring and bad plumbing in their ministerial buildings too..

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  • 196. At 3:04pm on 22 Sep 2010, ESchrodinger wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 197. At 3:04pm on 22 Sep 2010, ESchrodinger wrote:

    Having organised large international events in Delhi and I can't say I'm surprised at the reports. There is a tendency for decision making to be made by individuals who have little interest, actual oversight or personal involvement in the details or progress of their project once they have secured it.

    There is a considerable class gap between those who own a project and those who manage the work. Those who own a project rarely want to see what is going wrong and, let alone being pro-active or determined towards fixing it. Indians at all levels, from government ministers down, know that all Indian building projects overrun. This doesn't matter for an office block - but to build something for an event, as per specification, is something that 'Indian Standard Time' always conspires against because the people at the very top don't concern themselves with deadlines or process.


    When I work there I find myself in endless supplier meetings at director level where it would appear to a bystander that agreements are being made, but either nobody at the meeting has decision making responsibility, or, having agreed to something, they'll happily back out of it later.

    I would guess as far as the village is concerned, it's the landmark buildings - the stadia and complexes that have seen all the attention, funding and decision making. While the village, as it may be seen as a less prestigious project by those involved, has been treated as a poor cousin. I would imagine that no-one with any power at government or committee level will have thought to take it upon themselves a few months ago to identify that progress was poor and take personal responsibility for fixing it.


    A word about the athletes. With the exception of cricketers and Bollywood stars, few sportspeople and performers (unless well connected) have the same relative status in India that athletes in other countries enjoy. So there may be a view there that the village accommodation need not be that special for the athletes. The developers will bring them up to spec after the games before putting them on Dehli's inflated property market. It's worth musing that if the athletes' apartments were being built for cricketers, they would have been finished long ago and would no doubt be five star quality!

    Which brings me to the rubble and excrement and the publicised comment that hygiene standards are different from the west: no Delhi citizen is content with rubble and excrement, they wouldn't expect foreigners to be ok with it, they just put up with it as part of daily life across most of their city. The Delhi government simply doesn't see a city-wide clear up and the installation of public toilets as a need, though Delhi's citizens would very munch like to see it done.

    A final note, having been a visitor to government offices in Delhi, there is rubble, dodgy wiring and bad plumbing in their ministerial buildings too..

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  • 198. At 3:06pm on 22 Sep 2010, ESchrodinger wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 199. At 3:25pm on 22 Sep 2010, ESchrodinger wrote:

    This is all about responsibility and decision making and how it works in India. There is a tendency for decision making to be made by individuals who have little interest, actual oversight or personal involvement in the details or progress of their project once they have secured it.

    There is a considerable class gap between those who own a project and those who manage the work. Those who own a project rarely want to see what is going wrong and, let alone being pro-active or determined towards fixing it. Indians at all levels, from government ministers down, know that all Indian building projects overrun. This doesn't matter for an office block - but to build something for an event, as per specification, is something that 'Indian Standard Time' always conspires against because the people at the very top don't concern themselves with deadlines or process.


    Having organised large international events in Delhi, I can't say I'm surprised at the reports. When I work there I find myself in endless supplier meetings at director level where it would appear to a bystander that agreements are being made, but either nobody at the meeting has decision making responsibility, or, having agreed to something, they'll happily back out of it later.

    I would guess as far as the village is concerned, it's the landmark buildings - the stadia and complexes that have seen all the attention, funding and decision making. While the village, as it may be seen as a less prestigious project by those involved, has been treated as a poor cousin. I would imagine that no-one with any power at government or committee level will have thought to take it upon themselves a few months ago to identify that progress was poor and take personal responsibility for fixing it.


    A word about the athletes. With the exception of cricketers and Bollywood stars, few sportspeople and performers (unless well connected) have the same relative status in India that athletes in other countries enjoy. So there may be a view there that the village accommodation need not be that special for the athletes. The developers will bring them up to spec after the games before putting them on Dehli's inflated property market. It's worth musing that if the athletes' apartments were being built for cricketers, they would have been finished long ago and would no doubt be five star quality!

    Which brings me to the rubble and excrement and the publicised comment that hygiene standards are different from the west: no Delhi citizen is content with rubble and excrement, they wouldn't expect foreigners to be ok with it, they just put up with it as part of daily life across most of their city. The Delhi government simply doesn't see a city-wide clear up and the installation of public toilets as a need, though Delhi's citizens would very munch like to see it done.

    A final note, having been a visitor to government offices in Delhi, there is rubble, dodgy wiring and bad plumbing in their ministerial buildings too..

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  • 200. At 3:43pm on 22 Sep 2010, Pras_n_Srini wrote:

    Responding to #192--bhaktawar is basically an Islamic shiller and empty-vessel who thinks he is entitled to a luxurious life.

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  • 201. At 3:45pm on 22 Sep 2010, Pras_n_Srini wrote:

    Also, for #177--you forget quite a lot of facts. Iraq certainly had WMD's prior to 1990 (chemical weapons such as mustard-gas are included--and these were provably used at Halabja as well as against Iranian soldiers).

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  • 202. At 3:47pm on 22 Sep 2010, Pras_n_Srini wrote:

    And #167--you do realise that if UK leaves the Commonwealth, the entire concept collapses?

    (not a disagreement--as Commonwealth is no more useful than UN or UN's predecessor LN, both of which proved miserable failures)

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  • 203. At 3:48pm on 22 Sep 2010, ZombieJay wrote:

    Just a thought, but how will the security aspects work where unlimited numbers of volunteers and workers are helping to try to get this debacle up to code? Especially with the endemic corruption at any level important enough for one person to by bribed by another. Athletes and spectators alike must be getting concerned that they may fall victim to something going kaboom. Be it collapsing constructions, domestic or international terrorist devices. I fear greatly for these games and one of the previous posters was right, call it off "due to excessive flood risk". Either that or parachute ScottNYC in to show 'em how it's done... like Atlanta.

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  • 204. At 3:57pm on 22 Sep 2010, bakhtawar wrote:

    pariah nation !! There is little premise left to contradict this. The world should imagine how these Pariahs treat my beautiful kashmir

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  • 205. At 4:04pm on 22 Sep 2010, Dave_Dubai wrote:

    After 20 years in Dubai it really does not come as a surprise at the lack of organisation. With the amount of back handers going on, I am surprised it got off the ground at all.

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  • 206. At 4:20pm on 22 Sep 2010, Paul Brooks wrote:

    This is a shame. This was India's chance to show that it really was emerging as a nation out of third world poverty and that would have been worth a lot to it. Instead it has done the opposite. somebody suggested blaming the Commonwealth games committee for awarding the games but if they hadn't they would have had criticism so always awarding the Games to the big Westen countrioes like Britain, Australia and Canada. India deserved a chance but perhaos the games should haev been taken away when progress was clearly not being made. Having said that the stadia are basically in place and fine (so long as they don't act like footbridges!!) It is the village which is unacceptable. The games will go ahead but probably with a vastly reduced number of competitors.

    Yes major games always have problems, Athens made it by the skin of their team, London will have something and a lot is stirred up by the press looking for a story. However these aren't minor things. Two days before athletes turn up the village is clearly uninhabitable and footbridges are falling down. 12 workman injured. If it happened during the games then it would be 100s of spectators and if panic set in then perhaps 1,000s.

    This isn't posturing by the teams, they have serious concerns.

    One last point, this is a problem for this games, lets not throw the baby out with the floodwater. The Commonwealth games is a great 'friendly' event. I went to Manchester 2002 and it was a brilliant event. Melbourne 2006 was great and Glasgow 2014 will be great as well. The issue might come in who will bid for 2018 and the implication is that it could be a British, Australisian or Canadian host for quite a while after this and that is a shame

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  • 207. At 4:30pm on 22 Sep 2010, RantingMrP wrote:

    Delhi is not, and will not, be ready for the Club Games - it's that simple. One hopes the Games' organising committee are in touch with the Aussies - I think it will come down to an alternative host at the very last minute, with the Games postponed by at least a month: Melbourne or Johannesburg look like the likeliest venues.
    Forget Delhi.

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  • 208. At 4:58pm on 22 Sep 2010, ScottNYC wrote:

    @James
    Trust me, we don't want the likes of you in our fair city. We like to keep it clean.

    @Paul
    Still playing the "you don't get irony" card? Sheesh, so old. Why not try being creative for once? Come on, I know you can do it.

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  • 209. At 4:58pm on 22 Sep 2010, LestaMan wrote:

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  • 210. At 5:14pm on 22 Sep 2010, chrome2 wrote:

    I dont agree that the games should only be organized by canada/britain/ england. Malaysia had no such problems back in 1998. The problem is the games is not considered very prestigious, poorer countries do not want to foot the bill.

    I think the fault with these problems clearly lie with the Federal government. When you want to participate in an event for image building, how can there be so little control for so long. Clearly lack of oversight by the highest leadership.

    Anyway, there's still a chance for some success. It's a sporting event afterall, people aren't here for the architecture.

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  • 211. At 5:53pm on 22 Sep 2010, harrySOTONUK wrote:

    Oh dear, there really is a lack of ignorance amongst certain bloggers here, who are apparently devoid of both intelligence and history. Yes, the British were colonial rulers in Inda, just like they were in most parts of the Caribbean, Australia and many countries in Africa.

    The inept professionalism, administration and governance surrounding the current Commonwealth Games in India cannot be blamed on a colonial ruler that was rendered to the sidelines more than 50 years ago.

    Yes India and the UK still share a rich tapestry of culture, business, political and community links, but the scenes of collapsing bridges and dilapidated accommodation is frankly all the doing of India.

    And do not for one second think this is an easy article to write. I am a second generation Indian, born in the UK to parents of Indian birth. My father has always stated that one of the worse things to ever happen to India was the British withdrawing and allowing India to govern itself completely. A set of criteria should have been put in place that should have allowed the natural progression of independence - not merely overnight - which was the case with India's Independence.

    Look at Hong Kong. A city with 100 years British rule (now a Chinese Special Administrative Territory). A city that can hold its own to being one of worlds biggest financial and business powerhouses. Do you think similar issues would have prevailed in Hong Kong - if it was hosting the 2010 Commonwealth Games?

    Many of India's greatest achievements are actually British engineered. The railway network. The postal service. Law & Order. Even the Grand Trunk Road, known affectionately as the 'GT Road' (the highway that connects Delhi to the Punjab region) is British engineered. But 50 years of neglect, administrative bureaucracy and political abuse and corruption has led all of these facets becoming just a figment of their former glories. There is no denying that India is a world leading business powercentre, for the services and IT industry - but conceiving, developing and running a world event such as the Commonwealth? I am not so sure.

    It is no surprise then that the current situation in India is at breaking point. I think the decision to grant India the games in 2010 was premature and miss-judged by the Commonwealth Games Select Committee.
    Perhaps waiting another 15 years was the answer.

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  • 212. At 5:53pm on 22 Sep 2010, anti_lynch_mobs wrote:

    Delhi needed a Lalit Modi.

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  • 213. At 6:23pm on 22 Sep 2010, anandmann wrote:

    I just can't understand the big fuss about the whole games a no show. I'm a delhite and not many are enthusiastic about bring a third rate game to the town. Some people in their vanity wanted to host it and now they are left with tail between their legs.

    Everyone in Delhi knows the truth - Not many wanted to be part of it so we have outside labor, outside contractors and federal money. We don't give a monkey, if the games are canceled so be it as it will save hours of traffic jams in the city.

    Secondly my only desire was to see Usain Bolt as he is not coming who cares what substandard performances that will be on offer in ten odd days.

    I'm moving out to nearby city Chandigarh to witness a good cricket match vs Australia and enjoy less hectic environment as there will be 17 days holidays in Delhi.

    Thank you Commonwealth games for such a relaxing break in the beginning of the festival season.

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  • 214. At 6:24pm on 22 Sep 2010, Guru S wrote:

    What a cornucopia of ineptitude and deceit from India's bureaucrats. Here are some shining examples of the "gems" uttered by those in charge of the games:

    "We are making first-rate preparations"

    A portion of the roof of the weightlifting venue collapses, but it is "not something to be worried about".

    The chief minister of Delhi comments on the collapse of a brand-new pedestrian overbridge at the main event venue, by claiming the bridge was meant for "ordinary" spectators.

    But the top prize goes to possibly the most brazen, shameless oafs of them all. Lalit Bhanot, secretary general of the organizing committee, explains away the debris, stagnant rainwater, mosquitoes, leaks, non-functioning toilets, and the shocking presence of human and dog feces in the athletes' village, by saying: "According to us the room may be clean, but the foreign officials may require a certain standard of cleanliness and hygiene which may differ from our standards"(!!!).

    I am glad none of my taxpayer money has gone towards funding this debacle. If this is "The Indian Way", I want no part of it.

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  • 215. At 6:30pm on 22 Sep 2010, Guru S wrote:

    What a cornucopia of ineptitude and deceit from India's bureaucrats. Here are some shining examples of the "gems" uttered by those in charge of the games:

    "We are making first-rate preparations"

    A portion of the roof of the weightlifting venue collapses, but it is "not something to be worried about".

    The chief minister of Delhi comments on the collapse of a brand-new pedestrian overbridge at the main event venue, by claiming the bridge was meant for "ordinary" spectators.

    But the top prize goes to possibly the most brazen, shameless oafs of them all. Lalit Bhanot, secretary general of the organizing committee, explains away the debris, stagnant rainwater, mosquitoes, leaks, non-functioning toilets, and the shocking presence of human and dog feces in the athletes' village, by saying: "According to us the room may be clean, but the foreign officials may require a certain standard of cleanliness and hygiene which may differ from our standards" (!!!).

    I am glad none of my taxpayer money has gone towards funding this debacle. If this is "The Indian Way", I want no part of it.

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  • 216. At 6:41pm on 22 Sep 2010, Garth Geyan wrote:

    What a shame! The Chinese did a spectacular job with the Olympics! May be the Indian government can "whitewash" the Commonwealth Games with Bollywood stars like Sharukh Khan, Salman Khan Amir Khan or Kareena Kapoor etc.- may be make them run around the mosquito infested buildings with a Bollywood song and dance routine!!!!

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  • 217. At 6:52pm on 22 Sep 2010, BLRBrazil wrote:

    @ 20: there are even fewer checks and balances in the US political system than in the UK parliamentary system and the only thing that makes it work is the accountability demanded by the American people. The only reason corruption thrives in the '3rd world', and is one of its principle defining characteristics, is that the people either feel powerless to change things or actually tolerate it.

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  • 218. At 7:09pm on 22 Sep 2010, BLRBrazil wrote:

    @ 48: the British Commonwealth may have had its roots in colonialism but it has evolved far beyond that, based on a relationship of mutual respect and common interests. It is also entirely voluntary and numerous countries that were never colonies have applied over the years to join it. As a forum for international debate, it is only surpassed by the UN, which is far more politically and ideologically compromised.

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  • 219. At 7:31pm on 22 Sep 2010, Jay wrote:

    I do not understand why each and every sporting mega events goes to Delhi? If such events were organized in some other city, then they also can build their infrastructure. Almost everyone in INdia acknowledges that Delhi is THE worst city in India; so far public civic sense, crime, level of corruption is concerned. Hundreds of years of corrupt and power politics (starting from the Muslim invaders to British and then our own “brown sahibs”) have ruined the very basic backbone of that city. Present day Delhi has almost nothing positive to share; other than its feudal past, few cosmetic decorations and meaningless flaunting of ill gotten money (just like an emerging social elite or neo-rich person without education and culture). Such level of corruption (even in Indian standard), as we see in this CWG preparation, is possible only in Delhi.

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  • 220. At 7:44pm on 22 Sep 2010, Jay wrote:

    If Congress is in power for few more years, India will be like Ethiopia (SORRY, if I hurt Ethiopian feelings by comparing with India) in every sense of political, social and corporate governance. This UPA government has practically ruined all the great efforts of previous NDA government to bring some degree of self-respect to Indian people and the country at international stage.
    Level of corruption and deterioration of social and moral values is now reaching its breaking point. India does not need any Pakistan or Islamic terrorist or naxals to destroy itself. Our own “brown sahibs” , social elites and politicians are better in doing that. Those terrorists and extremists can just relax and leave that job to our political masters and their bureaucratic slaves. They can do that faster.

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  • 221. At 8:54pm on 22 Sep 2010, BLRBrazil wrote:

    @ 20: I think your notion that the parliamentary system is to blame and that the presidential system of government would be the solution is sadly misconceived. There are more checks and balances in the UK parliamentary system than there are in the US presidential system. What really makes the latter function is the American public's demand for accountability. And that lies at the heart of any functioning political system - the demand to live up to high standards set by its citizens and fear of reprisals if they don't.
    That corruption is so endemic in the '3rd world', indeed is a defining factor, is that the public tends to have such low expectations, or feels uttely powerless to do anything about it, largely because there are no reprisals and impunity is rampant.

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  • 222. At 8:57pm on 22 Sep 2010, BLRBrazil wrote:

    Why is it so difficult to post a comment on this blog? I have tried to post 3 comments and not one has appeared. And when I try again, I keep getting a message saying "you've already said that".

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  • 223. At 9:05pm on 22 Sep 2010, vjrnb wrote:

    @Jay, i completely agree with you.. the polotical party in question here is more concerned about family and vote bank politics than governing the nation. would like to remind folks of the brave front which we, as a developing nation, had put up in tough situations like Pokhran II, IC 814 hijack, Kargil, Parliament attack, etc.. most of which had the NDA flavour and vigour in it.

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  • 224. At 9:14pm on 22 Sep 2010, BLRBrazil wrote:

    Reading through this sequence, I really feel for a large number of Indian contributors, who are evidently horrified by what they are seeing and feel so utterly ashamed and helpless. Take heart my friends. First of all, this is not just an Indian problem but, as I said above, a 3rd world characteristic. Secondly, with people like you guys around, there is always hope, through the example you can set for your fellows. And thirdly, there is a growing realization that the world's problems cannot be resolved through emigration (host countries just cannot absorb any more), much less by banning it (we are all affected, eventually, by what goes on in other parts of the world - I think it's the only thing I agree with GWB on). The inevitable conclusion is that, in order to make the world a better place, we all need to help the countries that most require assistance to raise the standards for their citizens (using quality of life criteria more than wealth ones). It will become a snowball effect that can then be passed on to other countries, things will improve everywhere and nobody will need to migrate to flee oppression or achieve a minimal decent standard of living. So don't think you're alone, just keep doing your bit.
    And modify the capitalist system. It's all we have, for the moment, but don't forget that it was unbridled capitalism that gave birth to communism in the first place, and has now seriously undermined the trust that is so essential to the functioning of the commercial/production system (the real economy, not the glorified casino the financial system has become; it has lost touch with its prime function, of oiling the wheels of the real economy).

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  • 225. At 9:33pm on 22 Sep 2010, Anton wrote:

    Just to give a prior warning, we could see violence flare up on Friday in the city of Allahabad in the state of Utterpradesh in Northern India as a court ruling will decide, to put it simply, whether a piece of land there belongs to Muslims or Hindus. It is the land where a mosque, built by the first Mughal emperor, Babur in 1527 (they were Central Asian Turks originally from Uzbekistan who ruled India for some 300 years prior to British rule), was destroyed by a Hindu mob and replaced with a Hindu temple. If there is violence following the ruling, it could have ramifications for the Commonwealth Games because team may decide not to send or pull out, if they are already there.

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  • 226. At 9:47pm on 22 Sep 2010, Saurabh wrote:

    Instead of hosting a major event in a certain city (New Delhi in this case), why doesn't India as a whole host this event. We can have opening ceremony and hockey in Delhi, tennis in Chennai, Badminton in Mumbai,.. and so on. In this way too much pressure is not put upon a single city and this model leads to the overall development of the country and its people. Each city may have a small games village and just one or two stadia for the city's events. This would also increase the country's unity and would be people's games.

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  • 227. At 9:53pm on 22 Sep 2010, Anton wrote:

    I also think the problems may not be as bad as they are made out. Countries like Britain and others know a lot of athletes are pulling out for security reasons, so they are pinning the blame on infrastructure and the village not being 'inhabitable' to divert blame on to the Indians.

    I saw extensive footage of the the towers in the athletes village both the inside and out, and I have to say I was impressed. Wasn't it only 3 or 4 days ago one of the British commonwealth representatives there had said the athletes village was the best he had seen, better than last CW games, Beijing and other before that..

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  • 228. At 10:14pm on 22 Sep 2010, Jay wrote:

    @ BLRBrazil (post# 224).
    The problem with this specific CWG preparation is solely Indian problem. We have no one to blame for this level of corruption and lawlessness (see other blogs by Sautik in that regard). Yes, all such problem we are seeing here is a (more or less) typical third world country specific. But a country which is trying to promote a better image, projecting itself at least as "regional superpower", trying to promote "democracy" (being "the largest democracy" in the world) MUST not be self-obsessed with simple GDP growth and having few billionaires. We MUST build the country FIRST, then concentrate on building its "image"; NOT the other way round (as many of us, mainly our ruling class people trying now).
    Such fiasco is not limited to this CWG or games and sports, but almost every aspect of Indian life is becoming more and more corrupted and polluted.
    Our political masters force us to believe in all the nonsense of “indigenous” technology (e.g missile and many other defense and civilian technology/product) while our own parliamentary standing committee report in 2008 concluded that “we have about 30% indigenization at best in ANY of such “indigenously” developed technology or product”. India’s scientific and research QUALITY is going down at an alarming rate since last two decades (as per Scopus database). Almost all cities and towns are nothing but public toilet without much civic facilities (starting from drinking water to open swage to electric supply). Quality of public health, sanitation, level of corruption in highest judiciary, extremism – almost everything is growing and growing fast. This CWG is attracting simply because our “system” is now being reviewed by “outsiders” who have a different standard to judge things and have their own interest at stake. Otherwise, nothing can attract our politicians, bureaucrats to address any public problem (unless they are remunerated financially). We have effectively destroyed all the INTERNAL control mechanism, be it general governance, or corporate governance or educational and research quality.
    We had and still have good human resource and natural resource BUT do not have a backbone to oppose corruption happening in our own home or office or housing society, to start with. By shouting in such forums and wring blogs will not solve the problem. We must show our guts to do something in real life. If we do not have the courage and conviction to oppose corruption, we should at least acknowledge the reality in public forums and personal discussions than to glorify each and everything in the name of “patriotism” and “image”. Such misplaced priority of “patriotism” and “image” will only lead us to such pathetic show in future as well.

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  • 229. At 10:19pm on 22 Sep 2010, Jay wrote:

    SO far global governance and effective of so-called market economy is concerned, one can read a real informative article about that, “Who needs a greener revolution?”. Published in reputed research journal; EMBO Reports (2010) Vol-11, No.-9. We must stop this “growth” based economy and shift to “de-growth” path.

    It says, “According to the latest esti¬mates, we are already beyond the Earth’s carrying capacity and we would need around 1.2 Earths to support just the cur¬rent population growth rate (WWF, 2008)”….”There are alternative economic models that recognize ecological limits to human development and emphasize social equity. The first of these proposes a steady-state economy: one that has stopped growing in terms of GDP, but continues to improve quality of life and is maintained by an ecologically sustainable rate of resource throughput and a constant human popula¬tion (Kerschner, 2010; Lawn, 2010). The sec¬ond is a sustainable de-growth model that has been defined as “an equitable down-scaling of production and consumption that increases human well-being and enhances ecological conditions at the local and global level, in the short and long term” (Schneider et al, 2010). The paradigm is that human progress without economic growth is possible; it has been shown repeatedly that GDPper capita does not correlate with overall happiness above a certain level of satisfying people’s basic needs (Layard, 2010). According to these proposals, rich nations would need to start the transition to a steady-state econ¬omy through the reduction of GDPor de-growth within the next 5 years, and poor nations could take 20–40 years to make the transition in order to ensure a sustain¬able future. As many poor nations have the highest population growth rates, a first step should be to implement suitable controls to stabilize their populations with support from rich countries.”

    The defenders of de-growth emphasize that this process is not the same as reces¬sion or depression—there should be no social or quality of life deterioration—nor does it promote a return to a fictitious pre-industrial pastoral past. GDP reduction involves mainly components that require large-scale, resource-intensive production and socio-political and lifestyle changes (Schneider et al, 2010). Steady-state and de-growth models are based on the prin¬ciple of ecological economics, which emphasizes the importance of the inter¬actions between the environment and the economy, and of biophysical laws and con¬strains to human development (Costanza et al, 1997; Victor, 2010).

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  • 230. At 10:43pm on 22 Sep 2010, Jay wrote:

    SO far global governance and efficacy of so-called market economy is concerned, one can read a real informative article about that, “Who needs a greener revolution?”. Published in reputed research journal; EMBO Reports (2010) Vol-11, No.-9 (Sep 2010 issue). We must stop this “growth” based economy and shift to “de-growth” path.

    It says, “According to the latest esti¬mates, we are already beyond the Earth’s carrying capacity and we would need around 1.2 Earths to support just the cur¬rent population growth rate (WWF, 2008)”.

    ”There are alternative economic models that recognize ecological limits to human development and emphasize social equity. The first of these proposes a steady-state economy: one that has stopped growing in terms of GDP, but continues to improve quality of life and is maintained by an ecologically sustainable rate of resource throughput and a constant human popula¬tion (Kerschner, 2010; Lawn, 2010). The sec¬ond is a sustainable de-growth model that has been defined as “an equitable down-scaling of production and consumption that increases human well-being and enhances ecological conditions at the local and global level, in the short and long term” (Schneider et al, 2010). THE PARADIGM IS THAT HUMAN PROGRESS WITHOUT ECONOMIC GROWTH IS POSSIBLE; IT HAS BEEN SHOWN REPEATEDLY THAT GDP PER CAPITA DOES NOT CORRELATE WITH OVERALL HAPPINESS ABOVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SATISFYING PEOPLE’S BASIC NEEDS (Layard, 2010). According to these proposals, rich nations would need to start the transition to a steady-state econ¬omy through the reduction of GDP or de-growth within the next 5 years, and poor nations could take 20–40 years to make the transition in order to ensure a sustain¬able future. As many poor nations have the highest population growth rates, a first step should be to implement suitable controls to stabilize their populations with support from rich countries.”

    The defenders of de-growth emphasize that this process is not the same as reces¬sion or depression—there should be no social or quality of life deterioration—nor does it promote a return to a fictitious pre-industrial pastoral past. GDP reduction involves mainly components that require large-scale, resource-intensive production and socio-political and lifestyle changes (Schneider et al, 2010). Steady-state and de-growth models are based on the prin¬ciple of ecological economics, which emphasizes the importance of the inter¬actions between the environment and the economy, and of biophysical laws and con¬strains to human development (Costanza et al, 1997; Victor, 2010).

    I am sorry for deviating from the blog issue here.

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  • 231. At 10:44pm on 22 Sep 2010, Jay wrote:

    Something is wrong with this web site at this time. I am not sure if my posts are going through. so posting it again.

    SO far global governance and efficacy of so-called market economy is concerned, one can read a real informative article about that, “Who needs a greener revolution?”. Published in reputed research journal; EMBO Reports (2010) Vol-11, No.-9 (Sep 2010 issue). We must stop this “growth” based economy and shift to “de-growth” path.

    It says, “According to the latest esti¬mates, we are already beyond the Earth’s carrying capacity and we would need around 1.2 Earths to support just the cur¬rent population growth rate (WWF, 2008)”.

    ”There are alternative economic models that recognize ecological limits to human development and emphasize social equity. The first of these proposes a steady-state economy: one that has stopped growing in terms of GDP, but continues to improve quality of life and is maintained by an ecologically sustainable rate of resource throughput and a constant human popula¬tion (Kerschner, 2010; Lawn, 2010). The sec¬ond is a sustainable de-growth model that has been defined as “an equitable down-scaling of production and consumption that increases human well-being and enhances ecological conditions at the local and global level, in the short and long term” (Schneider et al, 2010). THE PARADIGM IS THAT HUMAN PROGRESS WITHOUT ECONOMIC GROWTH IS POSSIBLE; IT HAS BEEN SHOWN REPEATEDLY THAT GDP PER CAPITA DOES NOT CORRELATE WITH OVERALL HAPPINESS ABOVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SATISFYING PEOPLE’S BASIC NEEDS (Layard, 2010). According to these proposals, rich nations would need to start the transition to a steady-state econ¬omy through the reduction of GDP or de-growth within the next 5 years, and poor nations could take 20–40 years to make the transition in order to ensure a sustain¬able future. As many poor nations have the highest population growth rates, a first step should be to implement suitable controls to stabilize their populations with support from rich countries.”

    The defenders of de-growth emphasize that this process is not the same as reces¬sion or depression—there should be no social or quality of life deterioration—nor does it promote a return to a fictitious pre-industrial pastoral past. GDP reduction involves mainly components that require large-scale, resource-intensive production and socio-political and lifestyle changes (Schneider et al, 2010). Steady-state and de-growth models are based on the prin¬ciple of ecological economics, which emphasizes the importance of the inter¬actions between the environment and the economy, and of biophysical laws and con¬strains to human development (Costanza et al, 1997; Victor, 2010).

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  • 232. At 10:53pm on 22 Sep 2010, kmittal82 wrote:

    Ah, if only we had Jack Bauer..he would make things right :)

    The irony is, there is a greater probability of a fictitious character coming to life than there is of Indian politicians to gain a conscience.

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  • 233. At 11:22pm on 22 Sep 2010, BLRBrazil wrote:

    @ 225: that's very poor timing and I can appreciate the dangerous ramifications.
    @ 226: Totally agree. The idea that hosting a major sporting event will bring about significant improvement in local infrastructureis a valid one, but the sheer scale and cost of these events has become too great for a single city to shoulder (tho' I very much doubt that much of the cost has come from the Delhi budget). Large countries should spread these mega events across the nation and smaller countries can share the projects.
    @ Jay: you're evidently encountering posting problems too, but sifting thru your contributions, I think you've made some very interesting observations, particularly on the economic front, which I would like to examine more deeply. We're hearing the same comments in Brazil about "more important ways to allocate the public purse", what with the upcoming World Cup and Summer Olympics and the fear of misallocation and corruption. On a positive note, I've always felt it was a good thing the way these events encourage people to get to know other countries, but it seems even that is becoming eroded by elitization, with only the well-off able to afford the inflated hotel and ticket prices.

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  • 234. At 01:19am on 23 Sep 2010, Jay wrote:

    Once the games is over (with or without “success”), once the dust is settled, everything will be back to normal.
    HOW MANY OF THE READERS WHO ARE NOW ANGRY AND/OR ASHAMED FOR THIS CWG FIASCO AND EXPRESSING THEIR EMOTION IN THIS AND MANY OTHER FORUMS WILL ACTUALLY INTROSPECT AND REALISE HOW MUCH WE OURSELVES TO BE BLAMED FOR THIS FIASCO? How many will groom themselves to oppose corruption, try to eradicate it not only from their personal lives but also from their office and neighbourhood?
    We blame others when they are caught to do corruption, but gladly accept that as inseparable part of our Indian lives and the most effective way to “prosper”. We not only do it for ourselves but also teach even our own children to get used to it and exploit the current culture of corruption to become “successful” than to do anything to change the situation.
    It is only the social and political elites (custodians of our system) successfully advertised the notion of “shining/incredible India” while almost every social, judicial and political parameters of civilization indicates it otherwise. Now think what the kids and close ones of people like Kalmadi will say when they are abroad (UK or US etc)? Will it be prudent for them to accept reality? No, it will not. Those are the people who used to have the control for media and personal presence and contacts abroad that is responsible for such well-advertised propaganda of “incredible India”.
    It is high time that common citizens and kids of such corrupt people take personal responsibility if we want to have a better India, if we really want to organise a world-class event in future. Kalmadis are overwhelming majority in India today, in almost every society and organizations. We must take personal responsibilities that, neither I personally will become another Kalmadi nor will I allow anyone to be one (so far I can). I know, it sounds strange (probably lunatic) to most of the Indian ears. We should remember that, NO ONE CAN GET A WORLD-CLASS COUNTRY, CITY, VILLAGE OR EVEN FAMILY WITH THEIR FEUDAL, “THIRD-WORLD” MENTALITY AND HABITS.

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  • 235. At 02:22am on 23 Sep 2010, indian mathematician wrote:

    In true Indian tradition, they've got the children doing all the work to meet the deadline. Is there no shame in India?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/commonwealthgames/8019580/Commonwealth-Games-2010-England-teams-trip-on-a-knife-edge.html


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  • 236. At 04:38am on 23 Sep 2010, bakhtawar wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 237. At 04:39am on 23 Sep 2010, mightydeceaser wrote:

    blame the Westerners!!!! its their fault - it always has been and always will be. this way, India and its citizens will never have to take responsibility for their own (in)action.
    failing that, blame Pakistan. in fact blame everyone else. its a worldwide conspiracy against India, can't you see?? especially now as India is apparently the 3rd most powerful country in the world and we can't have that can we?
    the sooner India removes the (very large) chip from their shoulder the sooner they can take their place among the nations of the world. your constant blaming of countries like the UK and Australia smacks of jealousy and insecurity.

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  • 238. At 04:41am on 23 Sep 2010, bakhtawar wrote:

    "Common Wealth" India seems to have imbibed this in true sense of the word. Funds were siphoned off to corrupt and greedy and therefore made common. An article in Indian press says 30% are totally corrupt and other 50% are partailly corrupt ( whatever that means) .

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  • 239. At 07:47am on 23 Sep 2010, vjrnb wrote:

    @ bakhtawar, i say that the worst part of corruption in India is not the corruption itself in numbers, but the fact that the procedures to handle corrupt officials is much more corrupt!!!!. This auto catalyzes itself.

    At most the corrupt official would be suspended from his post for a few days, but soon, he will back in his post...

    Thus they get away and corruption does not pay!!

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  • 240. At 09:18am on 23 Sep 2010, jet225 wrote:

    Gutka and Paan spit in the toilet and on the walls. Classic Delhi. Dilli Meri Jaan.

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  • 241. At 09:31am on 23 Sep 2010, jet225 wrote:

    So you want to build a games village right next to a Yamuna overflowing with monsoon rains and sewage. Super. It's just the start of troubles. Soon bets will be placed on the number of athletes that are likely to come down with Dengue. And as usual, our honorable politicians will dismiss it as minor hiccups in an otherwise fantastic games. Irony is completely lost on them.

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  • 242. At 10:31am on 23 Sep 2010, iteron10 wrote:

    Well, as an Indian, I would dare say that the Games be declared a failure and does not go ahead. This is the unthinkable but also a moderate possibility. I wish for this to happen not because I'm an anti-national but because I believe that this massive failure would be a lesson for our polit-bureau. Then maybe we will see a lethal backlash in the form of protests and demonstrations by responsible citizens against those responsible and bring them to book and maybe bring about some sort of revolution in response to this unthinkable event. This 'CWG-sham' is a manifestation of the general corruption not just in New Delhi but all over India and it is there for the whole world to see in all its glory. Also it is time that all politicians and bureaucrats be banned from running or even being a part of sports bodies in India.

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  • 243. At 11:03am on 23 Sep 2010, rogers1892 wrote:

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  • 244. At 11:06am on 23 Sep 2010, Paul Newton wrote:

    What a shame that India seems so rife with corruption, that it can't even manage to put 'The friendly games' on. The prevalence of corruption is an inevitable consequence of a capitalist system, which is inherently based on greed and selfishness-wherever it's found! You can bet your life that there's been corruption in the build up to the London games, it's just that our infrastructure, being more developed, makes it more difficult to pull a scam and therefore won't be so obvious as people are saying it is in India. I could write all day about what the solution might be, but ultimately these things are there for financial gain, not sporting achievement-just go around the S.African shanties in a years time to see if anythings changed, to get verification of this. In the end though, if this IS the 'Indian way' (ie to be SO corrupt and inept-especially in Delhi) the games should never have been allowed to go there. This leads one to ask whether the decision itself was based on corruption.

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  • 245. At 11:08am on 23 Sep 2010, Neelambar Hatti wrote:


    When India got the 'job' of staging the Commonwealth Games 2010, the authorities hoped that it would lead to fame and fortune. The idea sounded good; the Games would broaden the stage for international competitions, successful games would provide an opportunity to contend for the 2020 Olympics, and encourage economic development. Instead, the
    Commonwealth Games have threatened to descend into a farce, with the threat of mass withdrawals and the potential that the event could end up showing the Indian government’s inadequacies. With barely a week to go before the games begin, the problems have become apparent, frantic last-minute preparations verging on chaos and anarchy. The games are set to become more of a national shame than national fame. Indian dream of bidding for the 2020 or 2024 Olympics and showing the world that it can equal China remains just that.
    Building works have fallen seriously behind schedule; the athletes' village remains unfinished days before its scheduled opening,and in the view of many, unsafe, filthy and unfit for human habitation. Just a few days ago a pedestrian walkway, part of a triumphal arch on the approach to the centrepiece Jawarharlal Stadium, collapsed injuring several people; part of a drop ceiling at weightlifting venue has collapsed and so on it goes. Suffice it to say that the games have become a national embarassment and irretrievable damage has been done to the country's reputation. What is the reaction of the 'concerned' authorities and politicians to all this?
    By and large, they have dismissed international worries over the uncomplete preparations. The Sports Minister has joked that the games will be like a setrotypical big chaotic Indian wedding and that after last minute efforts everything would turn out fine. The Foreign Minister claims the games will be 'one of the most successful that the Commonwealth has undertaken'. Others have blamed the gods for sending too much rain, blaming the prolonged monsoon for all the ills.
    What was to be a showpiece of India's economic achievements during the past decade or so is turning out to be a showcase for allegations of corruption, mismanagement, poor leadership and lack of commitment. It has clearly exposed a wide gap between India and China than many Indians would like to acknowledge. The division between the two countries' showcase global events is far greater than their GDPs.It brings to my mind something that Alan Greenspan observed recently; "It is not what China is doing (that is remarkable), it is what India is not".

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  • 246. At 11:09am on 23 Sep 2010, ESchrodinger wrote:

    One thing that will amaze those that haven't been there is the Indian press - it's fantastic - check out Times of India and Hindustan Times, both come off the press in English. The printed media have a long tradition of brilliant rigorous and balanced reporting, and they don't shy away from investigating, naming and shaming corrupt officialdom.

    In many other countries, such media scrutiny would assisit in keeping the ruling classes in check, but not in India. We have heard the individual responsible say that the athletes' accommodation is world class. We know he's lying, he knows he's lying but in India that is how the people who run the country behave (with one or two exceptions). They are self deluding to the extent that if they say it is so, they think people will believe it despite blatant evidence to the contrary.

    Shown up by the press, they will give platitudes and mealy mouthed excuses and blame anyone else but themselves.

    Indians in power are not driven by personal pride and industriousness, they have no desire to improve their country and they simply don't care what the press says about them, as no amount of exposure will remove them from their powerbase.

    Officials are removed from a position of power only when the shame they generate spills over to whoever can remove them or; if they stop paying rent to whoever is keeping them there.

    It is entirely possible that the positions on the organising committee were in fact purchased, on the premise that they could personally profit from their involvement.

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  • 247. At 11:24am on 23 Sep 2010, Paul Newton wrote:

    Neelamber: good comments except your all-too-predictable misuse of the word 'anarchy'. It has NOTHING to do with chaos and means simply 'without government'. ie without the hierarchical socio-political structures which enslave the masses and render corruption rife in society. Now; what could be an example of the latter when you add economic malpractice? Hmmmmm.

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  • 248. At 11:38am on 23 Sep 2010, matungakabhai wrote:

    The collapsing of stadium,bridges etc remind me of a dialogue from a Hindi movie satire 'Jaane Bhi do Yaaro' that in India contractors generally mix about 90% sand with 10% cement/concrete . The stadia and bridges are designed to collapse ;-)

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  • 249. At 12:53pm on 23 Sep 2010, Harshavardhan Thakar wrote:

    No one in India really care about the games anymore. If all the athletes withdraw the happiest people will be the Organizers and bloody government officials. They will say that "We were ready but the athletes didn't come" !!!

    Definitely the Central and State government politicians have minted millions of $$ in this whole fiasco.

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  • 250. At 1:14pm on 23 Sep 2010, ESchrodinger wrote:

    Someone earlier mentioned that this was a case of the wrong person in the wrong job - something that often happens in India. It's true and I have an amusing tale to illustrate it.

    Some time ago I was organising an event at one of Delhi's few five star hotels down at Chanakyapuri and was meeting with the wine buyer to taste and select a few wines for a gathering of several hundred business people and politicians from overseas.

    I selected a few bottles and began tasting. About halfway through, having selected a couple of decent whites, I politely remarked to the buyer, a very personable professional man, that it was a shame he couldn't join me since he was on duty. "Not just that" he said, "but I don't drink achohol due to my religion".

    Good job I didn't have a mouthful of Chablis at the time.

    Now it's not unusual to find poeople who abstain in India, and I should emphasise that the hotel was top rate and the manager himself was a smart professional chap and had clearly read up about the wines, (which were pretty standard stuff, but ok).

    But to find myself in a tasting meeting with a wine buyer who had never tasted wine was a brillant Indian moment I'll never forget.

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  • 251. At 1:34pm on 23 Sep 2010, Jay wrote:

    Mismanagement is evident in almost everywhere in Indian system, starting from managing Kashmir and NE parts (as part of India), managing ruling elites, managing judiciary (Advocate Prashant Bhushan, who faces contempt proceedings for calling half the last 16 or 17 former Chief Justices of India corrupt, has submitted “evidence” to the Supreme Court against five of them.: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Lawyer-gives-SC-evidence-against-ex-CJIs/articleshow/6582079.cms). Now it is said that “Almost one-third of Indians are "utterly corrupt" and half are "borderline", the outgoing head of the country's corruption watchdog has said, blaming increased wealth for much of the problem” : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/One-in-three-Indians-utterly-corrupt-Former-CVC/articleshow/6518255.cms#ixzz0yxlYcDwz.
    Unless we, as Indians, (at least, who think they are) need to be taking personal responsibilities in becoming aggressive in protecting and developing the country. We must not give politicians (Federal or state or local) a free hand to do whatever they in OUR country (be it in Kashmir or CWG). No special status to anyone, no corruption in public should be tolerated. Only then we can have a better country.

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  • 252. At 3:09pm on 23 Sep 2010, EricB69 wrote:

    Well, it's a former British colony, so in reality, Britain's to blame for anything that goes wrong in these games. Which only appears to be everything. A dress rehearsal for 2012 perhaps?

    ================
    This is bullshit.

    If there is JUST ONE THING India has to be commended for, it's that it NEVER rejects all its problems on the Brits (unlike Algeria which does it perpetually towards France, or some other African ex-colonies...).

    India has gone on, assuming its successes and mistakes, like an adult country. This promises to be a big floop, but I think the Indian people are wise enough (unlike their governants, probably) to realize what and where the problems are. Now, after the Games (if the Games take place after all), will they go on and take the measure of what needs to be done and corrected ? That's another question...

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  • 253. At 8:26pm on 23 Sep 2010, BBC Guest wrote:

    If the organizers had even half a brain, they could have put up a better show when they knew there was going to be an inspection. Take them to "good" areas, cordon off "bad" areas, clear up approaches etc.
    Basically do something cosmetic to make it look decent.
    Or was this their best effort of making it look decent?

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  • 254. At 10:27pm on 23 Sep 2010, India007 wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 255. At 00:49am on 24 Sep 2010, saurabh wrote:

    yeah we know the government suck(we'll deal with them later) but lets not let our country's pride go to ashes....Wouldn't it be more logical that we unite in this time of need...everyone of us should take one day leave and "clean" up our mess

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