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The India-Pakistan cricket fiasco

Soutik Biswas | 16:05 UK time, Monday, 25 January 2010

Protests against the non inclusion of Pakistani players in KarachiThe row between India and Pakistan over the failure to include Pakistani players in the upcoming edition of the Indian Premier League (IPL), the world's richest privately-run Twenty20 cricket tournament, has to be the most intriguing one in the history of the game in the troubled subcontinent.

Eleven Pakistani players - the team, by the way, won the World Twenty20 championship six months ago - are on the list of players to be auctioned for this year's IPL. One of them was the best bowler in the inaugural edition of the tournament, a heady razzmatazz of instant cricket and carnival. Their papers are in order and their visas ready. But when the auction takes place, none of these players finds any takers. All the eight teams shun them.

Not surprisingly, there is outrage in Pakistan. Slighted players talk about a "conspiracy" against them, and about politics despoiling sports. The government says the non-inclusion of players is a snub. It stops a parliamentary delegation from visiting India and makes noises about boycotting the upcoming World Cup hockey tournament and the Commonwealth Games in Delhi. Effigies of the IPL commissioner Lalit Modi are burnt on the streets. The Indian government washes its hands off the affair saying that the IPL is a privately-run tournament, and it has nothing to do with it.

The cricket teams, owned by business houses, private entrepreneurs and Bollywood stars, initially say they were not convinced about the availability of the players. Then, they make some unconvincing noises about security risks involved in protecting Pakistani players. They end up saying they owe no explanation to Pakistan for why their players were not picked.

Was the auction just a charade? If security of the players was the deciding issue, why were they not told in advance that they would not be picked? Why invite the guests in the first place, and then shut them out from the party?

Many cricket fans want an explanation from the IPL. The tournament is a purely private business. As in any business, the market is the king. To shut out the Pakistani players defies the laws of the market. It surely could not have been an economic decision: some of the players on the list are among the best in the world in this format of the game.

So what did happen? Was there pressure by the Indian government on the IPL authorities? If so, why had the government cleared their visas? Most commentators have offered lame explanations. "The IPL will be poorer for the absence of some extraordinarily gifted cricketers, but this is just another victory for those that infect us with hatred," wrote Harsha Bhogle. "To believe there is a conspiracy against cricketers from Pakistan is wrong. It is the times we live in." Pakistan cricket team

Pakistani players, however, believe that the tense political climate took its toll. Many believe that IPL authorities took a last minute decision to tell the teams to leave the Pakistani players out. Relations between the IPL authorities and the Indian government have been strained since last year's fiasco when the latter forced the tournament out of the country to South Africa because of security concerns at home. Were the IPL authorities now trying to ingratiate themselves with the Indian government by asking the teams not to pick up any Pakistani players?

Whatever the reason, this episode suggests the IPL can never run as a purely independent business operation in the subcontinent given the stormy relationship between India and Pakistan. Sports and politics are intertwined in this part of the world; and that it why the subcontinent's sporting reputation is feeble. This fiasco will leave the tournament under a cloud and short changes the fans who pay to watch the world's best players in action.


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  • 1. At 5:36pm on 25 Jan 2010, Safi Alam wrote:

    Certainly it has lost its social and cultural credibility by bringing in itself the political elements. When, in India, there is lot of efforts being made to increase people to people contact through dailogues and discussions, music art etc, this has further enhance the strain between India and Pakistan. Sports should be used to bring people together and to bridge the differences between them and not the otherwise.

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  • 2. At 6:46pm on 25 Jan 2010, David Smith wrote:

    Surely this is much ado about nothing - with politicos on both sides using this issue to further their own agendas.

    Playing in IPL is a privilege, not a right. And it is a privilege granted by the owners of the IPL - who shell out top dollar (or is it Rupee)? The Pakistani response doesn't make sense except in the sense of bitterness in missing out on a payday.

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  • 3. At 9:56pm on 25 Jan 2010, ghostofsichuan wrote:

    It is always about money. Owners decided that fans would not be as supportive and therefore not buy as much and that is the bottom line. The truth doesn't matter, only the pocket-book. Another reason for Pakistani and Indians to have bad relations, but that list is already long. Desire and emotion are the cause of human suffering.

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  • 4. At 07:29am on 26 Jan 2010, Dawood Khan wrote:

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  • 5. At 08:00am on 26 Jan 2010, Rajesh wrote:

    Canadian, Zimbabweian etc players have not been selected for the IPL. Kindly compare the response of these countries & their citizens including players with the responses of Pakistan media and its people.

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  • 6. At 08:28am on 26 Jan 2010, sheyaam wrote:

    Canadian and zimbabwean players???? Are you serious, you comparing the T20 world champions to canadian and zimbabwean players? No offense to canada and zimbabwe, but what world class players do they have? I enjoy watching the IPL, I really do, but a IPL without the likes of players like Shahid Afridi (who was born to play this format of the game) just reduces the enjoyment of watching the IPL. The IPL will continue with the pakistani players, and that is a real shame, becaue until they are allowed to play, we as the spectators will always feel like there is something missing.

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  • 7. At 08:33am on 26 Jan 2010, Big_Chikka wrote:

    When does merit come into the selection process? Evidently, never in the cases of proven 20/20 players from the "world beating" team.

    Still the silver lining is that Pakistani players and people alike will now see the IPL and its paymasters for the people they really are.

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  • 8. At 08:37am on 26 Jan 2010, BakedBeans wrote:

    IPL is a part of brand building process for franchises, so how do you expect anybody from Pakistan to be a part of it after Mumbai attacks irrespective of how good he is?Further Pakistan is having worst series defeat in Australia at present who in right mind invest on these players?

    Just start PPL or something ….

    Zim cricketers are not allowed to play in England .Why ?

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  • 9. At 08:38am on 26 Jan 2010, Jack Bruster wrote:

    IPL is a private domestic tournament concieved to develop local talents in India. Players and politicians are instigating sentiments of Indian and Pakistani people for personal gains. Recently Afridi said IPL and India has humilated Pakistan and them. Why to accuse India and create more tensions between two nations? If he earns million dollars will he give it to poor people struggling in war torn Pakistan? No I suppose, he would put that money in offshore accounts. Players are not representing countries but themselves in IPL. The owners of IPL team feel providing security to Pakistani players will be impossible considering recent attacks in Mumbai 26/11 killing nearly 200 people. Just today Pakistani troops opened fire on Indian borders creating political tensions. In addition Pakistani players refused to play last IPL and owners realised it didn't affect IPL success. So why take risk damaging their brands. There were only 11 players selected in this short auction and many previously auctioned players are holding 3 year contracts considering foreign player slot is limited. If IPL team owners didn't bid for Pakistani players, it doesn't seem fair to blame India and escalate the peace process. Pakistani players should not bully by creating political scene as contracts in IPL are not guaranteed based on nationalities. On fair assessment Pakistani players are out of order. Why didn't Pakistan allowed India to host its 2011 world cup matches and insisted on playing in Sri Lanka instead? If India is not safe for their players in 2011 then how come it will be safe in next few months? Players should focus on playing for their country first, as currently Australian tour is heading for white wash.

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  • 10. At 09:04am on 26 Jan 2010, Rajan Chakravarty wrote:

    Two developments -- comments by the Indian home minister P Chidambaram and one of the owners of an IPL team, Shahrukh Khan -- have further fueled the controversy. Evidently considerations other than cricketing or even monetary, were behind the exclusion of Pak players from IPL. The manner in which it was done was not intriguing, simply very shoddy and in keeping with the way the game is organized and run in the sub-continent.
    Having said that, it must be pointed out that sports and politics are entwined even outside the Indian sub-continent, both the US and Russia have boycotted Olympics earlier.

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  • 11. At 09:19am on 26 Jan 2010, sabu wrote:

    again, an over simplified analysis based followed by comments based on emotion. The no of times the word believe is used is ridiculous.

    fact, IPL is privately owned. so what they do they do.
    fact, this is an auction. auctions by definition are determined by buyer needs. if the buyers don't buy then they don't. again, if IPL took a financial decision, so be it.

    the big concern is the sloppy management of this, just bad management. it is clear that IPL does not know how to manage, you need to do your due diligence before you invite players for an auction. clearly that assessment was not done and now IPL has ended up looking like a bunch of amatuers.

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  • 12. At 10:15am on 26 Jan 2010, beneficiary wrote:

    IPL??? What the hell is it all about???

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  • 14. At 10:26am on 26 Jan 2010, ranjit wrote:

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  • 15. At 10:32am on 26 Jan 2010, beneficiary wrote:

    #13 Calm down baby!

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  • 16. At 11:08am on 26 Jan 2010, Kamana wrote:

    Obviously this was arranged by the Indian government. It's a shame that sport is being politicised but unfortunately countries in that region of the world do not value the purity of sport as we do in the West. Politics comes first.

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  • 17. At 11:10am on 26 Jan 2010, beneficiary wrote:

    I wish the BBC people had not removed the comments of ranjit (@14). The comments were a true reflection of how these people think and what we can expect from the people of the so called "largest democracy in the world." I dont have anything against them and can only feel sorry for them.

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  • 18. At 1:22pm on 26 Jan 2010, manofthematch wrote:

    Good article. Why invite players to the party and ask them to leave with no reason? It is indecent.IPL,a money spinning sporting arm of the so called Charitable organisation-BCCI should ask explanation from all the 8 teams for any specific reasons they ignored the players.

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  • 19. At 1:25pm on 26 Jan 2010, Eternal Peace wrote:

    I am not suprised by that the Pakistani players were not selected for the IPL.

    The IPL teams, despite their global appeal are local teams that represent various parts of India.The IPL franchises risked being seen as the guys who brought Pakistani players while the Mumbai attacks are still fresh in people's minds.

    While it would have sent a message to the terrorists who want to disrupt Indo-pak relations, I cannot imagine any Pakistani player, no matter how good he is, representing Mumbai.

    What happened at the IPL is merely a result of what happened in Mumbai. The Pakistani players only have their government and its policy of supporting terrorist groups against India to blame for this fiasco.

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  • 20. At 1:41pm on 26 Jan 2010, Indian_Singh wrote:

    I don't think there is an issue here...IPL is a Private Sporting tournament and the Team Owners have the right to select players of any country they want. If they want to have Canadian players in their cricket team, then so be it. Matters of which country players play in IPL are beyond the control and priority of Indian Government (at least for now)... Having said that, I do agree that Pakistan player do have the talent to make it Big in T20 format and were contenders for a place in IPL and might had to loose out on better talent in India and the rest of the world.
    Relations between Countries will most certainly play an important part in Sports, Movies or other events. Unless Pakistan government also makes a strong, more visible effort to strengthen ties with India and help reduce terrorism in the sub-continent, it is the players, actors, singers and the fans of both countries who are at the loosing end.

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  • 21. At 2:44pm on 26 Jan 2010, GreatWhitePathan wrote:

    Its simple - this was a process of ritual humiliation. The perfect way to degrade and embarass the Pakistani players. None of the execuses presented by Lodi or the franchises make any sense at all.

    There is no doubt in any logical mind that this was a form of revenge for the attacks on Mumbai and the subsequent breakdown in relations between the countries. I cant believe that the Indians fans did not want to see the likes of Afridi, Razzaq, Aamer, Umar Akmal etc play in this IPL.

    However, the Pakistanis should see this as a blessing in disguise. It gives them more time to prepare for the 20/20 world cup. As we saw in the champions league, the close-knit teams who play together regularly outperformed the IPL teams.

    In terms of money, then they shouldnt worry because there are plenty of opportunities to play in 20/20 competitions around the world.. Win the World Cup again and all the teams will be knocking on the door...

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  • 22. At 2:54pm on 26 Jan 2010, F K wrote:

    I think the people defending the IPL are missing the point. It is fine if none of the IPL teams wanted any Pakistani players. But in order to be in the auction, at least one team has to show interest in you. How is it that all of those Pakistani players had franchises who were interested in them two weeks before the auction then suddenly lost interest the day of the auction. Free markets and business don't enter the equation. If they were not interested in the Pakistani players, they should not have expressed interest and have them added to the auction list which was modified many times before the final list came out.

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  • 23. At 3:47pm on 26 Jan 2010, Eternal Peace wrote:

    I cannot see how the IPL, the Indian government or the franchisees themselves could be held responsible for this fiasco.

    The IPL teams expressed interest in many international players including Pakistani players. Because they expressed interest, the Indian and Pakistani governments organised visas. However, it came down to the franchisees to make a final call on who they wanted in their teams. Expressing interest was not a precondition for purchase. Only the franchisees know why certain players were picked and not others-but they are answerable to no one. That they expressed interest initially shows they wanted to buy the Pakistani players but in the end it was a business decision, probably taken in the backdrop of the Mumbai attacks.

    I can see why the Pakistani people feel aggreived and I do share some of the disappointment of not having some fine players in the tournament but to turn this issue into a diplomatic one, Pakistani politicians and players and have shown immaturity and lack of perspective.

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  • 24. At 3:58pm on 26 Jan 2010, Rajesh wrote:

    No player playing in private capacity from Canada, Zimbabwe, Pakistan etc were picked up by IPL, a private event organizers. No country should feel insulted etc. Kindly see and analyze the matured response by countries like Zimbabwe, Canada etc with respect to the Pakistani media, politicians, lawyers and its citizens.

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  • 25. At 4:12pm on 26 Jan 2010, raja wrote:

    Here is the actual analyis

    Indian people were deeply hurt by November 26 2008 mumbai attacks. We know the terrorists have come from Pakistan . Pakistani cricketers haven't said one single thing about those 100 plus killings. You can say 'what is this has to do with sports?' .. But one thing you can't ignore is the inmdian who enjoys watching IPL is the same one who has depp anger towards pakistan. The IPL team owners can easily sense that anger among Indians much more than their love towards cricket. That's why they didn't take the risk of taking paskistanis. Hope this message gets poosted!!!

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  • 26. At 4:21pm on 26 Jan 2010, aims1 wrote:

    I don't think the likes of Shahrukh Khan of Kolkata Knights would have been too pleased with the news. I don't believe for one minute he would throw away the chance to sign up the likes of Mohammad Ammer Shaid Afridi Umar Gul. Guys like Shahrukh are business men who want a return from their investment and he knows if he can get top billing by signing Pakistani players he would.

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  • 27. At 4:40pm on 26 Jan 2010, buymespresso wrote:

    Just curious - if IPL teams had picked up Afridi and Gul, how many people would have noticed that they were 'ye olde enemy'?

    I would have preferred a more reasoned analysis in this article. The final reason given by the IPL teams - the last I heard - was that the teams picked according to their needs and the Pakistani players didn't meet those needs. Here are the non-Indian players picked (hope I didnt leave anyone out) :

    Kieron Pollard - WI (Trinidad) batsman
    Kemar Roach - WI (Barbados) fast bowler
    Adrian Barath - WI (Trinidad) batsman

    Justin Kemp - SA batsman, fast-medium bowler
    Wayne Parnell - SA fast bowler
    Yusuf Abdulla - SA fast bowler

    Damien Martyn - Aus batsman
    Adam Voges - Aus batsman

    Bond, Shane Bond - NZ fast bowler

    Thissara Perera - SL batsman, medium-fast bowler

    Eoin Morgan - Eng batsman (Irish immigrant seeking longer hours at work... ok, never mind that)

    Not a single spinner among them, unless it's one of the batsman giving it an odd twirl. Which explains why that swannyg66 fella wasn't picked.

    Shahid Afridi is a good player to quickly bat out twenty runs, but his bowling style is legspin - very effective, but apparently the IPL teams feel they have enough spinners.

    But Umar Gul is the best T20 quick in the world (along with Parnell) - why pick, Yusuf Abdulla or Kemar Roach and not him? He'll keep his head down and only say nice things to the press.

    I can see a (dubious) case for leaving Afridi out, but not for Gul.

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  • 28. At 4:43pm on 26 Jan 2010, Jack Bruster wrote:

    #21 GreatWhitePathan -"....There is no doubt in any logical mind that this was a form of revenge for the attacks on Mumbai and the subsequent breakdown in relations between the countries..."

    So you agree Pakistan was behind Mumbai attacks. How can you compare innocent killings with IPL incident where few greedy Pakistani players are making this political fiasco to earn money.

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  • 29. At 5:42pm on 26 Jan 2010, Krishy Kapur wrote:

    Having read all the comments I would like to point out certain facts –

    1. Sports have always been related to Politics - USA/ USSR (Russia) has boycotted Olympics in the past. South Africa was not allowed to play international Cricket until Apartheid was lifted. Remember the storm the Kerry Packer tournament caused and that in advertinently was the birth of One Day Internationals and are we not grateful now to Kerry Packer.
    2. How can any Indian, regardless of where they are now based, forget the recent Mumbai attacks and the action the Pakistani government have since taken to bring the culprits to justice! The IPL is a privately run event and money obviously dominates the selection process.
    3. Why don’t the Pakistani players, who are right now making a fuss about being not selected for the IPL, first play some decent Test Cricket or ODI’s. After their current display against Australia I am surprised the players or the Pakistani public even have the audacity to consider them selves as full time cricketers. Even Bangladesh have shown some pride in the recent test performances against India and have put up a fight at least.
    4. Perhaps the IPL franchises heard the comments made by the Pakistani Captain recently, about Twenty 20 destroying Pakistan’s future in Test Cricket, and felt sorry for the future of the team, so they decided in the best interest of the game they would allow the Pakistani players to concentrate in the original form of the game. Maybe it’s a blessing in disguise only time will tell.

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  • 33. At 8:59pm on 26 Jan 2010, francis williams wrote:

    After what happened last year I think it probably was a good idea not to have Pakistani players involved in the IPL. Maybe Pakistan can run their own tournament in direct competition. I do think however that the Pakistani players have a fair gripe by being included in the auction and not picked. Was it the IPL's intention to humiliate them? The IPL is a private organisation but they represent India to the rest of the world. They should take future decisions with more care.

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  • 34. At 9:04pm on 26 Jan 2010, F K wrote:

    I think this discussion is getting ridiculous now. Yes, Pakistan is overreacting. I'm surprised even the cricketers care that much given that they are still making good money playing in england, australia and south africa etc. and they are still the best 2020 team in the world both statistically and as the current World Twenty20 champions. Someone made a comment about Pakistan's test team not playing well in Australia as if this has anything to do with Twenty20. Different format is a completely different game.

    I still think that the IPL's reasoning doesnt make sense. How was it a purely business move made by the owners when the co-owner of the Kolkata's team has said that he wanted Umar Akmal and that was his and Ganguly's goal in the auction. After an owner himself has said that, how can people still claim that it was a business decision made by IPL owners? Clearly, something else is at play here.

    And if it is politics as many people are saying and claiming it is justified, that is fine. So why not just say so, instead of inviting players to an auction then completely ignoring all of them. I don't think there's anything wrong with India not playing Pakistan or not allowing any Pakistani players in the IPL but why not just state that? And what would the purpose be in not having Pakistani players in the IPL due to the attacks that happened in Mumbai? Are they related? Do you guys think that the militants involved in these attacks are going to feel hurt that Shahid Afridi is not going to be in the IPL? (The same type of militants who are attacking Pakistan everyday and also attacked the Sri Lankan team in Lahore ending all chances of Pakistan hosting any touring nations). Do you think they care either way about the IPL or Pakistan's cricket team?

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  • 35. At 9:39pm on 26 Jan 2010, scindia101 wrote:

    To me all this appears to be a storm in a teacup. 20/20 is not even cricket. If some people with money to burn are willing to invest in this form of sport and make profit from it so be it. For governments and sports bodies to wrangle over who selects whom is downright stupid. But who expects them to act rationally anyway? As to the players they should not loose sleep over this. There will always be some who are not picked up for whatever reason. Who cares?

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  • 36. At 10:38pm on 26 Jan 2010, Bunty-Pran wrote:

    I think it is better that both governments settle their issues first.
    If Indian governemnt has influenced IPL cheifs; there is nothing wrong in it.It is question of security of players and security of tournament itself.

    But if terrorism has reached sports( Srilankan team attack); then remove the terrorism first.Why to endanger players life ? Why to put lifes in danger at all for the sake of sport ?

    I think safety and security comes first.Pakistani players have not done any crime, but had been punished, due to terrorism; and due to IPL or Indian Government.

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  • 37. At 10:44pm on 26 Jan 2010, Bunty-Pran wrote:

    I think it is better that both governments settle their issues first.
    If Indian governemnt has influenced IPL cheifs; there is nothing wrong in it.It is question of security of players and security of tournament itself.

    But if terrorism has reached sports( Srilankan team attack); then remove the terrorism first.Why to endanger players life ? Why to put lifes in danger at all for the sake of sport ?

    I think safety and security comes first.Pakistani players have not done any crime, but had been punished, due to terrorism; and not due to IPL or Indian Government.

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  • 39. At 03:58am on 27 Jan 2010, Minanath Dhaske wrote:

    I tried to sketch the comment by SRK in toon.. you can have a look at it on following link..

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  • 40. At 05:59am on 27 Jan 2010, Vishy wrote:

    This whole issue is storm in a teacup

    1. IPL is private tournament and they have right to select anyone they want to. It is nobody's right to whinge and moan if they have not been invited/selected to play irrespective of their talent, status etc.

    2. Pakistan players did not play in IPL-2 because Pak govt refused it. If no one had problem back then why does anyone has issue if IPL had done the same to Pakistan players.

    3. IPL franchise owners are all businessmen. In business the deals are scrapped at last moment and any professional will not go in media and wash its dirty linen there if the deal does not go through. Pak players behaved in unprofessional manner after couple of them were refused their hefty payday. There was no need to bring in nationalism into this when these players are being selected as individuals.

    4. Pakistan players performance in IPL-1 was quiet poor barring Sohail Tanvir. Moreover they were widely accused of not playing for their teams, its been known problem with these Pak players for long who have big egos.

    5. The political situation between India-Pak has been at all time low since 26/11. Lot of Indian fans do not want to see Pakistan citizens earn big bucks in India. Mr Biswas has also forgotten that Zimbabwe cricket team was not allowed to play in UK in T20 world cup which is bigger issue so saying that politics and sports only mix in sub-continent is highly absurd statement to make, the surprising part being its coming from an Indian journalist.

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  • 41. At 06:32am on 27 Jan 2010, MC wrote:

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  • 42. At 08:35am on 27 Jan 2010, chandar10001 wrote:

    It is clear the team owners decided who to bid for in the auction, perhaps this was partly influenced by what thy thought public perceptions would be if they bid for pakistini players. However the decision was theirs and theirs alone. For them to now complain that pakistani players should have been is out of order. All they are trying to do is divert the blame on to other. At the end of the day their decison was probably made with the aim of avoiding doing that might antagonise the paying public - greed always wins in the end.

    People say you should keep politics out of sport. Why them ask they asking for the indian government to intervene to force the IPL and the franchises to explain why no pakistani players were selected. You cannot have it both ways.

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  • 43. At 1:04pm on 27 Jan 2010, Anneeq wrote:

    This is really pathetic by the franchises, really it is!! Fair enough you dont want Pakistani players there, it is their decision and it is their money. But to call them to the auction and then snub them is pathetic and shows a lack of class.

    I dont understand this Canada and Zimbabwe comparison, with all dew respect none of these teams have the same quality the Pakistan team has. Pakistan has the best bowler in the world (which is Umar Gul) and Shahid Afridi who is a born T20 players. They also have Sohail Tanvir, who was the best T20 bowler in the inaugragal tournament.

    Pakistan have really been scape goated big time for these attacks. India have jumped onto the terrorist band wagon, they seem to have short term memory loss about past experiences. Such as the ethnic clensing of Kashmir, Hindu extremists desecrating churches and promoting hatred against the Muslim population. I feel its to defect accountability about Indian security. Such as how did these terrorists evade the Indian Navy if they came by sea? How did they walk freely around Mumbai with AK's and grenades? How did they attack hotels that are supposed to be high security ones for foreigners? Of coarse all this can be bypassed by saying 'Pakistan its your fault!!!!!'

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  • 44. At 2:45pm on 27 Jan 2010, meribilli wrote:

    What is pathetic is Pak fans trying to get mileage and politicize a private issue. Why aren't you and others talking about all the 55 players who were not selected? What is so special about these 20-20 world champs that we as Indians will miss out?
    Just look at the Pak performance in Australia. It is beyond pathetic. The Pak team members cannot even get along with themselves, let alone with the PCB board which is a joke in itself. I say the Franchises did well by not picking these players. Not only they don;'t deserve to be selected but their attitude would have been a problem for the team. Good Ridance.
    I didn;t hear you complain when these Pak players did not play IPL last year despite being selected and the Pak govt. refusing them visas to travel to India. Were they missed, No. No one in India gave a damn that they were not there, but who lost? The franchises, who had wasted both their time and money in picking up these 20-20 champion players.
    Who are you kidding when you are saying that Pakistan has been scape goated (???) for the Mumbai attacks. Everyone knows that Pakistan is a hotbed of Terrorism and the entire Mumbai plan was not only hatched in Pak but all logistic and operational support was provided there as well. No matter how big the Navy is, you cannot have a boat at every Nautical mile. Those terrorists got into India by boat the same way hundreds of Pak terrorists cross the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. I also didn't hear you complain about that and the inability of the Pak army to stop that as well. How come you don't have the Pak police or Army preventing bombings and suicide attacks that are occuring on a daily basis. Don't you have enough people enlisted in the forces to stop that?

    Stop blaming this as hatred against Muslims. Terrorism transcends religion, nationality and all boundries. How come terrorists are blowing up their own Muslim folks in Pakistan. Pakistan is heading towards a failed state (if it is not already so).
    Kashmir was ethnically cleansed of all the Kashmiri Pandits by Pak ISI and its Terrorists. Even then, just compare the Kashmiri standard of living between Indian Kashmir and your so called Kashmir in Pakistan. It is Pitiful. During the earthquake a few years ago, your govt could not even provide aid to its Kashmiri people. Your own Kashmiri people had protested against your own govt. You don't even recognise the Muslims who migrated from India to Pakistan after Partition. Look how they are treated in your own country, 2nd rate citizens. Your own policies and your lies are out now. You can see the effect all across the Pak nation in terms of daily bombings and killings that are happenning there.

    Anneeq you are spineless when you trying to put forth this lame excuse under the IPL guise. Shame on you.

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  • 45. At 2:53pm on 27 Jan 2010, tanvir Rahaman wrote:

    i think all responsibility goes to government of both country. They could settle this issue. this not a political issue. Sports is such a platform by which we enhance our harmonious relationship. But what we see...

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  • 47. At 3:06pm on 27 Jan 2010, SKN wrote:

    When Pak players refused to play in the IPL last year, they, and their government, stated this clearly. They did not hide behind the bushes in this position.

    However, when the IPL refused to take any Pakistani players this year, they did this while maintaining a position of openness and fairness for everyone. Indeed, both the IPL and the Indian government made many statements stating this clearly.

    Thanks to the Indian media, we now know that these IPL and government statements were false. Not selecting any Pakistani players has reduced the star quality of the IPL Tournament. However these outright lies from the IPL and the Indian government have reduced the credibility and respect of both these organizations.

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  • 48. At 4:23pm on 27 Jan 2010, meribilli wrote:

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  • 49. At 4:47pm on 27 Jan 2010, meribilli wrote:

    Look who is talking about credibility. PCB chairman Izaz Butt first saying he didn't care about Pak players not playing in IPL since they did not play last year as well and then realizing he won't get his share of the cut trying to raise all the hoola-hoo. What a looser.
    Also you are admitting that the Pak players refused to play last year. Why? They were selected and Paid, yet they didn't show up. Can this happen again, sure. What would have prevented these players from being selected, taking the money and then NOT returning to fulfil their obligations. They have already done that once and would have very well done again. IPL franchises were smart enough to see though this and made the right businees decision protecting their own interests.

    Who cares if Pak players are playing in IPL? Apparently the Indian fans don't. It is (Indian) Premier League and playing for it is a privilege, not a right. The hype about 20-20 champs is obvious in Australia. Look at how soundly have they been beaten by the Aussies. The champions players digging at each other is shameful and PCB has come out even worst with its take on the players.
    If Pak fans are so outraged (not that they care) about their players not being picked for IPL, they should stop whining and work towards getting their own league in Pakistan. Good luck with the sponsorship and logistics though.

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  • 50. At 5:58pm on 27 Jan 2010, Max wrote:

    1. It is business reason - since, if including pak players affects populatiry of their team, then ofcouse they wont include them (affects $)
    2. Shahrukh khan says he wants pak players - just to please his fans in pakistan, who may otherwise stop seeing his movies (again $$ in play).
    3. As usual politicians on both sides of border have shown they will play with emotions of the common man to serve their own self interest.
    4. Pure cricketing point of view, its sad to not see some of the talented pak players in action, however, blaming india and IPL is silly.. first pak gov should do some introspection and stop supporting the jihadi elements to improve relations with india. Imagine - in USA, right after 9/11 - will any NBA team pick players from Saudi arabia (Assuming they have NBA quality players?)

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  • 51. At 6:06pm on 27 Jan 2010, leoca wrote:

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  • 52. At 6:20pm on 27 Jan 2010, Simon Wood wrote:

    I strongly disagree with the descision to leave the Pakistan players out of the IPL. This is all about the Mumbai attacks and the last time I check I don't remember any of Pakistan players being terrorist or having any terrorist links what so ever. The fact is they are just crickets, the people who attack Mumbai wanted to caused rift between India and Pakistan and they want to caused instability though out the whole of the Sub-continent. By punishing these player who are beloved by there country men and woman you are punishing the people of Pakistan for it is they who represent the people dreams and aspiration. You are not however punishing the terrorist. To not let the Pakistan player into India is to let the terrorist win, the last thing thing terrorist want is for Islamabad and Delhi to work togeather to fight this threat to all us. Shame on shortsightness and bad sportsmanship of people who made this weak descision the lack of heart and strengh to stand up and say stuffed terrorist and to let Pakistani player would seem the terrorist know which button to push...and have got the people behaving like monkey and not adults. This is a weak descision I feel sorry for players they did nothing wrong.

    Simon Wood..Perth, Western Australia

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  • 53. At 6:56pm on 27 Jan 2010, meribilli wrote:

    @Simon Wood

    You can disagree as much as you want but this was a Financial decision on the parts of the Franchises. These great Pak players were selected to play last year and they didn't come to play. There was no 26/11 then, so what happened? The same players were refused visas by their own gov't to travel for the games. No one knew till the last moment if they would be coming or not and they were a non-show.

    Why wouldn't it have happened this time as well with relations between the countries at a lower level than last year? I am sure that if only one of the players would have been selected, the others would have made an issue out of that as well. The Franchises did right by keeping their interests in mind and rejecting these players whose participation was suspect.

    BTW all of these players were not even in the first draft of players to be considered and only on the insistence of the Pak govt and PCB were they put in the bidder list. Instead of begging to be picked, these players should have gracefully refused to be considered in the first place. Would have saved them the embarassment.

    Shame on PCB, the Pak Govt and the Pak fans on trying to blow this up. Get a life guys.

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  • 56. At 8:34pm on 27 Jan 2010, MC wrote:

    It is amazing to see how readers are saying stuff based on their national alliance. What happened to your critical thinking?
    1- It was really rude to use these low tactics by some political maneuver. You can not invite the top singer to the party and then not let in.
    2- What is a big deal about IPL that Pakistanis made it an ego issue. There are other 20 tournaments like this around the world. Why do you guys even care entertaining your enemy?
    3- Pakistani politicians made a big deal out of it to shift their own short comings.

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  • 57. At 9:03pm on 27 Jan 2010, Yayavar wrote:

    I believe, IPL had no reason to refuse the Pakistani players in the upcoming competition. I am sure, the Pakistani players are as much loved and respected in India as its own players. IPL could not find a solid reason to refuse them after the fact that the security clearance and visa formalities were completed in advance of the auction. This has become a very sensitive issue and neither the Government of India, BCCI, nor the IPL can escape the blame. No matter how they try to save their skin, the damage has already been done. May be the intervention of the Prime Minister, Mr. Manmohan Singh can defuse the situation. In my view, IPL should allow the Pakistani players to compete in this tournament and show to the world that the sports in India is above the patty politics. Otherwise, this will leave a permanent black spot on the face of IPL and the tournament.

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  • 58. At 9:11pm on 27 Jan 2010, leoca wrote:

    @Simon Wood
    It is an Indian Premier League not a pakistani league. What will Aussies do if any pakistani blasted on its soil? I think whole Aussies will go bzzzzrk and probably ban complete immigration and last time i checked on Ausssies they were among the highest racist cricketers. You are entitled to your opinion but you will not understand the Indian emotions behind the game. Sport is a sport but that does not mean you start inviting countries who attack your country on an ongoing basis. It was not an isolated incident but it is on going and constant.

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  • 59. At 10:38pm on 27 Jan 2010, chakkar wrote:

    In India, IPL may be able to build its brand, even by excluding players from the World 20/20 champion team. But globally (and it IS trying hard to build a global audience; witness the deal with Google to broadcast live on YouTube), it's lost a lot of momentum.

    Sports is ALWAYS political. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naïve, at best. Olympics, football, ice hockey, tennis... Look closely and you'll see political undercurrents wherever big money is involved.

    It was a regrettable and avoidable incident but it's a non-event now. Show's over. (By the way, want to really feel bad for a bunch of players? Take a look at Ireland's exit from the World Cup finals.)

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  • 65. At 09:52am on 28 Jan 2010, BarmyPenners wrote:

    Why is everyone getting so wound up on this issue? I'm glad that only bit part England players are attending this exhibition event. The main England team are playing some cricket that matters in Bangladesh (ie a Test Series).
    And why are the pakistan government threatening to withdraw teams from much more inportant (ie the hockey World Cup and the Commonwealth Games) events on this? A massive over reaction. The Pakistan cricket board just organise a Test tour instead, maybe to the West Indies.

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  • 66. At 1:01pm on 28 Jan 2010, meribilli wrote:

    Well said

    Who are you kidding about insecurity. Pak has been and is one of the most insecure countries and most Paranoid about India. It hasn't had one legitimate Govt. since its independence and whenever their are domestic issues in Pak, their leaders and people start the Kashmir game. Pak is reaping the fruit of what it sowed in the past few decades and it is there for everyone to see. Pak is always ready to attribute its problems on everyone else but itself. If it is the NWFP, its USA, If its Afghanistan, its India, If its Kashmir, its India and Israel, if its Karachi, its MQM supported by who else, India. Even with the facts of Mumbai attacks laid bare for everyone to see, Pakistan is now blaming "Non State Actors" for that.
    The worst part is trying to bring in Religion into this whole issue and getting this somehow intertwingled as an attack on Muslims. Its is a shame.

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  • 67. At 1:56pm on 28 Jan 2010, khizer wrote:

    if the indians dont want pakistan to play, then their loss, the franchises loose their viewers in pakistan and various other parts of the world where pakistanis live. but most importantly yh i admit its probably the most lucrative cricket league in the world, but if they dont want you playing for them then dont beg them. pakistan shud stand proud and ignore the ipl, and focus on their own international team performance. if they are not welcome in india then they should not beg the indians to allow them to play. its a matter of principle. i as a proud pakistani after being told i cannot play in the league would not give it a second thought.

    pakistan won the t20 world cup, it shud focus its effort on winning the next t20 world cup and aspiring to be the best team in the games shortest format and then the ipl franchises will be at their feet and not the other way around in a few years time.

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  • 68. At 2:24pm on 28 Jan 2010, meribilli wrote:


    As far as Pak viewership is concerned, check this out

    Geo is still broadcasting it though, in Pakistan.

    I do agree with you that the Pak players should focus on playing as a team. 20-20 is just one format and with too much focus on that, it might loose on 1-day and Tests. Just see whats happening in Australia. It will be quite some time before the world totally gives up on test cricket. Until such time, test matches are as important as any other international cricket game.

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  • 69. At 2:40pm on 28 Jan 2010, Ali Baluch wrote:

    Hi all,I am want say so what is wrong that Pakistani players not Play in India,why Pakistani player didn't play last year so why should they play this year?!!!I think Pakistan should not ask India Gov't about this..This there game they do as they want and you do what you want...
    Sorry if some mind..Ali Baluch

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  • 71. At 00:15am on 29 Jan 2010, Azad420 wrote:

    You misunderstand what is meant by insecure, before you start responding to anything i write please look up any words you don’t understand the meaning off. When i said Indian’s where insecure i meant you was unsure of yourselves worried what people will think of you & from the responses I got from you and the rest of your Indian friends you have proven me right VERY insecure, ignorant & arrogant!!
    I never mentioned Pakistan was better than India, but as with other blogs - out come all the Wikipedia facts and figure about how India is better Pakistan, in fact i congratulate India in achieving so much :-) I hope they achieve more and become even bigger on the world stage.
    Being ‘the biggest democracy in the world’ & a secular state i didn’t realise you had untouchables, i’m sure they’re well looked after LOL.
    Going back to the cricket in my OPINION, if you are invited to play in the IPL, everything has been arranged visa etc.. & then not to be bought in the auction by any of the teams it certainly does look very suspicious & i think you do have the right to take issue & I can confidently say that this isn't about money its about Pride, pakistanis are proud people this snub was an insult, we’re talking about India and Pakistan it wouldn’t surprise me if a political stance was taken. I wonder how the Indians would react if they were ever put in similar circumstances, i guess 1000 times worse being that they are a 1000 times more advanced than Pakistanis as atated by leoca!!

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  • 72. At 00:23am on 29 Jan 2010, Jono wrote:

    It is ridiculous that Pakistani players are being intentionally ignored by the heads of the IPL.
    It is crazy the political meddling and the bluring of the lines between sport and politics.
    Cricket and politics are far, far too intertwined on the sub-continent.
    It brings only disrepute and shame to the sport of cricket.
    The Pakistani cricket team are not the Pakistani govt, particularly in this situation when they wouldn't even be representing their countries, but rather individual, regional teams from India.
    If anything this could have been a great opportunity to bridge the divide, to show that human compassion and the bonds that sport can form are more important to people than the Pakistani-India divide.
    But no, instead we get petty, spiteful, pathetic and childish attitudes from the administrators of the IPL.
    Disgusting and disgraceful.

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  • 73. At 06:41am on 29 Jan 2010, Usman wrote:

    I think both sides are just being way too dramatic at the moment.

    First of all, IPL is just a cricket tournament (and I mean just). Who cares if we (Pakistani players) play in it or not. They make enough money anyway and its not like they will die starving!! I for one would ask our players to suck it up and say that they donot actually give a **** about it.

    Secondly, if IPL did not want the Pakistani players, they should not have invited them in the first place. That is just plain and simple disgusting behaviour. What makes it even worse is the cover stories being fed to the press by the IPL/Team owners. If they have any reason that makes sense they should just come out and say it. No point in beating around the bush!

    I read several statements about terrorist activities and indians not forgetting them:::: Do you really want to go down that road? Because there are so many things that the Pakistani people haven't forgotten/forgiven. Do you really beleive that after so many years of tension between the two states, this was the way to go????

    India and Pakistan have neveer even had a sustaining dialogue. Atleast sport was acting as a bit of a diplomat which has been horribly screwed over!

    I just cant beleive the mentality of the people who have posted these terrorist claims. For heaven's sake do you guys want to move on or do you want to spend another 63 years in the same way?????

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  • 74. At 12:50pm on 29 Jan 2010, Pavement Pizza wrote:

    Without the Pakistani players (some of the best in the world at this time) the IPL will become, in footballing terms, like the English Championship - in other words - a second division competition. I won't be watching it this time.

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  • 75. At 3:02pm on 29 Jan 2010, abrobravo wrote:

    Same Old story once again, so called "world's largest democracy" has played its part. It has put pressure on the team owners not to include Pakistani players. Now giving lame excuses does not make any difference.
    If they did not want them they should not have invited them. it was not professional thing to do. If they did want them its OK but dont insult someone when millions of people are watching. They are world class players.
    Making a lame excuse they did not pick them for security reasons, Shame on the owners, they should feel guilty when saying like this, because they have retired pakistani players coaching their teams. Where is the Question of so called Security now.
    IT is for sure IPL will never be so successful as they think because international investors still thinks this is not an independent body because it is remotely controlled by politics or other factors with in INDIA. this incedent is a proof of this.

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  • 76. At 3:37pm on 29 Jan 2010, Mini wrote:

    Zimbabwe cricket team was not allowed to play in UK in T20 world cup which is bigger issue so saying that politics and sports only mix in sub-continent is incorrect.

    Given the post 26/11 time, the Pakistani players cannot be guaranteed visas India or Pakistan (release to play in India, should the situation escalate) , and this response from the franchisee owners is logical.

    The political situation between India-Pak has been at all time low since 26/11. Lot of Indian fans do not want to see Pakistan players earn big bucks in India. In any other time-frame, this would be an non-event.

    If Shah Rukh Khan himself didn't pick a Pakistani player, whats the point of raking up the issue again??

    The Indian politicos, especially the home minister should stop responding to reports in the media and give it a political edge.

    Ofcourse the Pakistani side will say the Indians are hampering the "peace process and that we should come to the discussion and will rake up Kashmir". If the Pakistani players want play with the big boys, they should act line one.

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  • 77. At 5:33pm on 29 Jan 2010, Shahrukh_Khan wrote:

    As one goes through the various comments posted here, it becomes increasingly obvious what this is all about (and it is nothing new). The two countries never exactly loved each other. Hence the inviting of Pakistani players and then their 'complete' exclusion. Lets admit it hasn't happened by chance. Its just a case of saying out loud to the world "see, we didnt like these guys!". This is clearly indicated by selection of much lower-ranked (even hardly-heard-of players from other countries). With the Indian Govt telling its people that at least 1 of the perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks was from Pakistan (incidently most of them were not!), and the Pakistanis bringing forth evidence that India has been fueling separatist movements in Baluchistan and is behind terror attacks in in its Northern Frontier province, one cannot be very hopeful about the prospects of healthy sports activities in this part of the world. A shame really!

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  • 78. At 8:54pm on 29 Jan 2010, pxjain wrote:

    The action process is: The players first request IPL for their interest in auction, the IPL franchises then sent their preferences for specific players and finally the IPL board select a pool of players for auction. It neither guarantees any player to be selected, nor does it undermine the quality of players. The franchises picks their players based on their requirements, strategies, risks etc.

    In the auction KKR went for a fast bowler and hence didn't bid for any of the Pakistanti player before Sane Bond (preserving all their quoto for Sane Bond) and couldn't bid afterwards as there was no money left. There are similar stories behind other franchises.

    The fact that Pakistani government reacting complete out of proportion by threatening to not sent Pakistani players for hockey world cup is only strengthening the views of franchises that the risk of taking Pakistani players is way too high. Even a non-cricketing can trigger the Visas/NOCs of Pakistani players cancelled.

    I think it is completely immature to mix non-selection of Pakistani player to national pride. By doing this, they are making IPL bigger than it is.

    By agreeing to be auctioned, Pakistani player had alreday taken the risk of rejection. In last IPL Ricky Ponting was sold much lower than many unknown Indian players. Does this mean its humiliating for Australian. No, because you can only have 4 foreign players in the playing eleven and that means Indian player will be bought at a higher price (20 Indian players for 8*8 sports in playing eleven v/s 20*8 foreign players for 4*8 playing spots).

    I think we should not relate an auction at a private league with nation pride.

    I am also sick and tired of the claims that because Pakistani team is T20 champions, they have to be picked. Pakistani players are individual brilliance but totally useless when it comes to team players. Look at their performance in Australia. I can't remember what Shahid Afridi did in IPL-I apart from criticising Laxman.

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  • 79. At 9:47pm on 29 Jan 2010, Azad420 wrote:


    Thanks for that, however I dont accept any of the pakistanis couldn't fit into any of the teams requirements or strategies, it's to much of coincidence that not one of the 11 couldn't be part of their plans. Just looks very suspicious.
    You say pakistanis over reacted & responded immaturely, but I ask again, how would any Indian have reacted. The reaction would have been way over the top!!
    I agree Pakistanis shouldn't be automatically picked, but their good performances in the 20 overs competition(s) should ar least merit one of the eleven being bought.

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  • 80. At 01:43am on 30 Jan 2010, RationalMan wrote:

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  • 81. At 03:16am on 30 Jan 2010, Mini wrote:

    @Azad420 at Number 79

    "IF" ( a big IF) mind you, had Indians attacked Pakistan one of their cities and refueled the hate process, then the Indian players would not expect to be still picked.

    I suggest you read the Dawn newspaper and check out NFP's blog, you might get the true picture of what some rational Pakistanis actually think.

    Given the current climate between the two countries, just because one player is good, it is not an automatic guarantee to be picked.

    Again, if one wants to play with the big boys, it is high time, the Pakistanis acted like one.

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  • 82. At 06:15am on 30 Jan 2010, Shekhar Agarwal wrote:

    Cricket is now a Complete business nothing else.
    Players are concerned more on marketing themself rather than there performance.

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  • 83. At 2:08pm on 30 Jan 2010, racemanracer wrote:

    Considering only 1 of the Mumbai terrorists came from Pakistan, this surely can't be a backlash for that incident. Surely not.....or maybe it is, what with the Indian governments pandering to the anti-pakistani sentiment being fuelled by an over zealous Indian media.
    "Artificial Ignorance" by the Indian Media has only produced an ignorant nation - hence lying all the blame at the Pakistani's door.

    Did they not actually consider the fact that maybe having the Pakistani's there may actually be less of a security risk than not. I suspect see some idiot's somewhere are plotting revenge via AK47's and crude homemade bombs......just a thought

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  • 84. At 4:59pm on 30 Jan 2010, Rayemon roy wrote:

    If any issue arise it will make loss to IPL Franchisies. By this reason they don't take AUS players. Political parties like Shivasena always makes problems to Franchisies if they take Pakistan players (actually it is a political Trick). So due to fear they not take pakistan players.

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  • 85. At 7:04pm on 30 Jan 2010, 3r mind wrote:

    T20/20 World cup is coming up soon, which pakistani players will take part in, does this mean India will not take part because pakistani players will be there.

    Losing to Australia or any other team in test cricket or one dayers does not really matter, what really matters is winning major world cups, thats what really counts and history will rememmber, and let me remind you all CURRENTLY PAKISTAN are T20 WORLD CHAMPIONS.

    I hope Pakistani batsmen & bowlers put on a good show for all fans to see as they always do. Good luck to India in T20/20.

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  • 87. At 7:48pm on 30 Jan 2010, Nadim wrote:

    Its sad to see in todays world we are using the one thing that helps unite people to be the major point of discussion in a negative form!! Cricket has long baught these two nations together as the passion always over comes hatred.. Its true the IPL is a private owned company however it goes against acts of humanity as it clearly is over looking all the good cricket offers to line there own pockets!! Its however true regardless of how people portary things if they included pakistani players in the ipl there would be a selection of indian people that would raise concerns given the mumbai scenario, but IPL owners aught to think about those people in india that wish to build bridges and use cricket to bring a festival of celebration and unite nations..

    typical example freddie flintoff?? hardly played a part in any form of cricket in last twelve months yet his a marketing source and sells tickets.. $$$$ for IPL.. England camp refused to allow players to travel to pakistan yet would allow them to travel to india where situations where far worse?? Why?? MONEY..

    Bottom line ( Money Talks ) sorry people thats what the owners of IPL are interested in... and including pakistani players just aint good for business..

    There are secutity concerns in all countries posed by all forms of terrorism but people get on with things in order to help bring peace!!

    IPL should use the power of Cricket to help unite people and not divide people!! i for one will not be watching the 20/20 to help line the pockets of those who don't care about the greater good..

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  • 88. At 4:04pm on 31 Jan 2010, Medlaw wrote:

    I thought that the IPL teams had made a big mistake in ignoring the Pakistani players but after having seen their performance in Australia and the disgraceful behaviour of Afridi, I think that the IPL teams have had a lucky escape!

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  • 89. At 11:33pm on 31 Jan 2010, Madhu Sharma wrote:

    I don't understand what people are crying for. IT is their Business.

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  • 90. At 6:06pm on 01 Feb 2010, leoca wrote:

    Debate has lingered on quite some time now. Time to put it to rest. Its all been done. IPL had made great decision by rejecting all Pakistani players in fact i would say this country Pakistan can only realise their problems when they face it one on one. They did not do anything about terrorism until US pressured them or until they themselves faced it. So i think by rejecting we have sent them a message you can not get away everytime. I think people of India have the right to decide who they want to do business with whether its sport or business. IPL is more of a money game and owned by Indians and we damn well buy anyone we want to and nobody has the right to tell that who should be picked and who shouldn't be. After all these players were going to get paid from India and who knows cricketer like Afridi what does they do with their money. This is Indian ownership and Indian business not anybody's business all these people from UK, AUS are saying IPL has been unfair to PAK i don't think UK, AUS will even let these players in their country if Pakistani terrorist would have killed openly in UK, AUS. Its called patriotism which is more emotional and important than a game of sport. Rest bringing two rivals together by game it joke who are you kiding he guys. Has it ever worked in Past if it has then why are we back to start again. So opnions from UK, AUS has no significance in this matter because they are very keen on blaming and criticising others. It took AUS long time to consider Tendulkar is a world class cricketer so what does that say. There is no such value of neutral opinion because person with neutral opinion has not gone through the real problem. INDIAN IPL HAS TAKEN A GREAT DECISION.

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  • 91. At 6:08pm on 01 Feb 2010, leoca wrote:


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  • 92. At 00:03am on 02 Feb 2010, Jono wrote:

    Leoca your rambling responses is a bigotted, short-sighted and childish take on events.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel Leoca.

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  • 93. At 12:05pm on 02 Feb 2010, Azad420 wrote:


    Spoken like a true Indian.


    Couldn't have said it better myself!

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  • 94. At 00:16am on 03 Feb 2010, Noctis wrote:

    This has been a disaster from the beginning. It was rude to invite the Pakistani players to the auction if they had no intention of selecting them. It showed a distinct lack of class from the IPL as a whole. Pakistani players need to get their priorities straight. The IPL should come second to playing for your country. It may be a money spinner but it is a poor league and it's appeal is diminishing. Once the initial glitz and glamour was gone it disappointed and the poor showing in the Champions League reinforced the idea that it is a poor league with average teams.

    The poor showing of the IPL teams in the Champions League shows that as a league it does not boast the strongest teams or the most entertaining teams.

    Pakistani players need to stop moaning and start playing some decent cricket. The showing in Australia is an embarrassment for any team. This is international cricket but these players would be lucky to play club cricket. They were a shambles and need to get their priorities right. Playing for your country comes before domestic commitments.

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  • 95. At 05:55am on 03 Feb 2010, siavonga wrote:

    To Jono and Azad420: You've got the quote completely wrong. It is "Politics" that is the last refuge of scoundrels, not "Patriotism". In any case if to be patriotic is being a scoundrel, then we are proud to be scoundrels!!

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  • 96. At 08:18am on 03 Feb 2010, tilermatt wrote:

    I can see some reasons that the IPL may have holded off on Pakistans cricket players contraversy seems to suround the team. Drugs, ball tampering, pitch gouging, but i for one would love to watch players such as Afridi in the IPL players with aggression and flair are what the IPL needs more of and the Pakistan cricket team has this in a abundance

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  • 97. At 2:55pm on 03 Feb 2010, leoca wrote:

    @jono and @azad
    wonder you are from pakistan all opportunist. My responses are from person who has seen this menace in India. Last thing i want to see is any Pakistani coming to India until they clean up their act. Aus, UK has banned lots of countries in past and they did not visit lots of countries there was no issue then. No Pakistani on Indian soil until they start respecting India.

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  • 98. At 4:53pm on 03 Feb 2010, Shame_On_ICC wrote:

    "Canadian and zimbabwean players???? Are you serious, you comparing the T20 world champions to canadian and zimbabwean players? No offense to canada and zimbabwe, but what world class players do they have?"

    I understand that my opinion may be slightly biased, but have you ever heard of Razwan Cheema?? he single handed undressed the pakistani attack (including Shoaib Akhtar, Sohil Tanvir, Umar Gul), the Sri Lankan attack (including Mendis) and the West Indians.

    In a tournamnet were Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Canada were playing. A Canadian player ended up with the highest runs and the most number of sixes. The fans took the title from Aridi (boom boom afridi) and started chanting it for Cheema, it was boom boom cheema through out the tournament.

    And what "world champions" are you talking about. After loosing to Australia 3-0 and 5-0 that title is a bit mis-placed. Now you may argue that it was Tests and OdIs and not T20s, but cricket is cricket and winning is a habbit.

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  • 99. At 8:59pm on 03 Feb 2010, abbasim00 wrote:

    To me it’s a shame for those who are relating the IPL issue with mm attacks. This shows their hate and bitterness towards Pakistan. I think it’s not their fault; it’s a typical Indian mentality which they have inherited from their forefathers.

    I am completely in support to the decision of not to pick up Pakistani players. It’s a private business, which means they have all the rights to put down any player. I think its Pakistanis who misapprehended the Indian mentality; otherwise they wouldn’t have considered IPL at all.

    With regards to blaming Pakistan for mm attacks, I would like to draw your attention towards the North of Pakistan where thousands of people have been killed blasts and investigations have revealed there is enormous amount of Indian involvement in the region.

    In fact we all know how rigorously India is interfering in Pakistan’s domestic issues.

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  • 100. At 9:06pm on 03 Feb 2010, abbasim00 wrote:

    To me it’s a shame for those who are relating the IPL issue with mm attacks. This shows their hate and bitterness towards Pakistan. I think it’s not their fault; it’s a typical Indian mentality which they have inherited from their forefathers.

    I am completely in support of the decision of not to pick up Pakistani players. It’s a private business, which means they have all the rights to put down any player. I think its Pakistanis who misapprehended the Indian mentality; otherwise they wouldn’t have considered IPL at all.

    With regards to blaming Pakistan for mm attacks, I would like to draw your attention towards the North of Pakistan where thousands of people have been killed blasts and investigations have revealed there is enormous amount of Indian involvement in the region.

    In fact we all know how rigorously India is interfering in Pakistan’s domestic issues.

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  • 101. At 9:48pm on 03 Feb 2010, CricketTiger wrote:

    The IPL, is not an official compeition, it is hosted through the Indian government and therefore it is not a right. This means that the Indian government can choose whether to include Pakistan or not.

    My Opinion is that I don't really care whether Pakistan miss out, I don't like them anyway.

    BTW, I'm a Sri Lankan Fan (girl)

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  • 102. At 11:37pm on 03 Feb 2010, Jono wrote:

    Wow, people's attitudes on this blog are just ugly.
    Seriously, how pathetic, childish, immature, petty and spiteful can people possibly be?
    The Pakistani cricket team are not the Pakistani govt, they are certainly not terrorists, and they wouldn't have been playing for Pakistan.
    So instead of embracing them in a spirit of goodwill, to try to mend the broken ties between India and Pakistan, or just to show people that there is some decent people in the world, who understand compassion, humanity, forgivness and focussing on what unites us rather than what divides us, they have been invited to the IPL auction then snubbed as an insult, so that lots of pathetic and petty people can rejoice that they have sullied cricket with their divisive politics.
    It's a disgrace to the sport, it's a disgrace to the IPL, it's insulting to the Pakistani players, it's petty, childish and spiteful and it's incredibly sickening that this attitude has been allowed into the sport.
    And I'm not Pakistani.

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  • 103. At 00:13am on 04 Feb 2010, Jonathan Ellis wrote:

    There can be no comparisons between the Pakistani cricketers, Pakistani government and/or international terrorism of any kind...

    HOWEVER. If there has been a previous instance in which Pakistani players (as a group - rather than individual isolated examples) WERE bought by the IPL, and then did not turn up to play, for whatever reason - then there is a good reason to expect that as a precedent.

    By comparison: I am a musician. If I were employed to play in a concert, and did not show up for it (for any reason other than a provable attack of ill health which was, equally provably, NOT going to be repeated), leaving other members of the band in the lurch - especially if I were to do this after having already been paid large sums of cash and still not done the job - then I would not expect the same employers to offer me a job for some time after, or to have the chance to work with the same band again in the immediate future. That's the way employment works.

    If anyone's to be blamed, it's whoever was responsible for Pakistani players not being in the previous IPL. Employers expect people who have been paid to do jobs, to actually DO them, and would rather select people who can be guaranteed to turn up, be there, and do the job than people who have recent track records of Not Being There.

    It's the same reason why Simon Jones found it difficult to find a county to take him on for the 2010 cricket season in England: with his injury record, who's going to take a gamble on him lasting a full season? I'm amazed that any county actually did - and pretty sure that if he breaks down again, he won't be back because nobody will want him even if he declares himself fully fit.

    Which begs the question of just how good Jonny Wilkinson must be at playing rugby, to keep on getting chances to come back despite all his injuries :-)

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  • 104. At 06:38am on 04 Feb 2010, siavonga wrote:

    To blame India for domestic violence in Pakistan is completely ridiculous. There is no love between the ISI created Taliban and India whatsoever. Just because a bag said 'India' does not mean it was sent their officially. It could simply have been smuggled out of India by the terrorists (aren't they going back and forth anyway?). Unless the Pakistanis recognize the problems arising out of their own creations, they will continue to suffer. Coming back to the blog topic: it is high time the Pakistani people stop taking this whole situation as an "insult" to their players. The players are not Gods, simply human beings and rich ones at that. Maybe a little less worship of them is in order. Or simply diversify your sports interests - there's so much more to sports than merely cricket.

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  • 105. At 08:18am on 04 Feb 2010, aarcher wrote:

    The discussion is about Pakistani cricketers and IPL, not about India and Pakistan. Including Pakistani players for the auction and not selecting them is not patriotism. It is an immature move from IPL. We Indians do not call our guests home and insult them. It is not in our culture. And what good did this move achieve?

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  • 106. At 09:13am on 04 Feb 2010, Kaaydee wrote:


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  • 107. At 10:17am on 04 Feb 2010, Krunal wrote:

    Its a real shame that no pakistani players are playing in the IPL, the politics has been out of the game for a while.

    i believe it's the level of money which means the level of corruption is going to be obviously higher, we all know that cricket has had a lot of cases of match fixing!

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  • 108. At 1:42pm on 04 Feb 2010, abbasim00 wrote:

    Exactly, that’s what I am saying. Just because a bag said 'Pakistan' does not mean it was sent their officially.
    Raw and Indian media is known for blaming Pakistan for any disruption. There is a famous saying in Pakistan that even if a chicken dies in India they blame Pakistan for it.
    In north- east and South India there are many demands for separate states by different groups. These groups have been extremely violent in the past and are continuous threat to India, why don’t Indian govt propagate against these groups –because they are Indians.
    It’s all politics my friend, that’s why I said it’s a shame for those who are relating the IPL issue with Mumbai attacks.

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  • 109. At 2:32pm on 04 Feb 2010, Awais wrote:

    WOW! guys get a grip on yourselves and calm down. This IPL is recognised and sported by the ICC and the oweners of all the IPL teams have to play by the ICC rules and regulations. I feel at this stage ICC must react and ask IPL for explanation about the exclusion of the best players of the world. If ICC stays away from this issue then they really do not have any right to ban any other league such as ICL. lets keep the politics away from the sports and let the bat and ball do all the talking. That is what the true fans want to see. Shame on all those people who are bringing politics in the sports.

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  • 110. At 3:31pm on 04 Feb 2010, leoca wrote:

    Wow this is really getting blown out of proportion. Its and Indian game owned by Indians so what is the fuss about dejecting pakistani cricketers. They were invited because if other good players are not available then they might be picked but obviously after their performance in AUS who would call them world class players. IPL is better off putting Indian money in Indian wallets by taking up Street club cricketers i bet right now even they can defeat Pakistan. So just suck it up and move on. There is no going back on this and prove again that you are worthy enough to be a world class player. As nowadays it is about consistent performance not you play when you feel like playing which most of the pakistani players are doing anyways. They can't even get their team spirit right. As whole team is blaming each other. Yousuf recently blamed afridi for ball temering and what not. They don't even have unity and loyality in their own National team then how will they show when they will play players from different countries. I don't remember any good performance in last IPL by any Pakistani player except Razzaq did play well. So first get your country together and then maybe if you have resources get your team together.

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  • 111. At 4:57pm on 04 Feb 2010, ajnathi wrote:

    I think the main reason for leaving out Pakistan cricketers is due to the concerns of the IPL franchise managements. The franchises want to build good teams, however their main motto is to make money and improve the brand.

    if they ask the question "What if there is another terrorist attack in india?" the teams having the pakistan players are bound to have impact. and the teams donot want that. I think this is the main reason why they did not want any Player from Pakistan.

    Coming to the IPL, Afridi's performance are crap. except for brief stint of Tanvir none of the Pakistan players left any mark in IPL. So I donot think IPL will be losing any luster just because some players are missing. The SPORT is bigger than few individuals.

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  • 112. At 10:47pm on 04 Feb 2010, Ash wrote:

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  • 113. At 3:15pm on 05 Feb 2010, shah3145 wrote:

    India always try to get cheap popularity by propagating wrong information on their so called Media war using Yellow Journalism.
    Their media claimed everything on Pakistan even if it is local or global issue.

    Now they want to show Pakistan as a sole country across the world but the world is no more sleeping.

    Every one can see the reality and fear of India from Pakistan.

    If they have guts they would have never taken talks steps after doing all this blame game. They now want to be "good boys" .,..but do You think people are foolish in this globalized world?

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  • 114. At 3:18pm on 05 Feb 2010, nripen wrote:

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  • 115. At 3:32pm on 05 Feb 2010, ahsanrm wrote:

    come on dont you guys get it, all the owners of the IPL franchises are indian, and they are not only jealous they know the pakistani players will dominate. Just look at the first IPL season the best players were kamran akmal and the no.1 player of the tounrement sohail tanvir who dominated with bat and ball and it was them 2 who won the trophy for rajastan royals. I mean to win the world cup requires luck and pakistan did have a bit of luck on their side, when they won it, but that doesnt matter, because they easily have the best t20 record. I just feel sorry for them because the pakistani players are the best t20 players. Someone commented about the mumbai bombings, that has nothing to do with the pakistani players. I am pakistani and there will never be peace with india because theres always a small percentage of people that wont allow it. Its pakistans and indias fault for that, pakistan are probably more at fault because of the stupid little group that keeps giving pakistan a bad name. If the pakistani players were allowed to play in the IPL maybe there could have been a bit of peace, i'm not saying there would of been peace, but you never know. When the mumbai bombings did happen I was really angry, they killed to many innocent people and there could have been a war, where millions would have, which is not good, but lucky for me i live in england lol. im just a cricket fan who loves watching india play, australia, west indies, i just love watching cricket. some people have wrote great comments, but theirs too many stupid ones. Any peace everyonexx

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  • 116. At 07:34am on 06 Feb 2010, siavonga wrote:

    There is no group in India that is interested in causing mayhem in foreign countries, whereas there are groups in Pakistan who openly want to do "Jihad" against what they term as "Hindu" India. Deny as much as you like, these groups do cause problems in India with local anti-national sympathizers. I still insist that problems are caused by Pakistani groups through their 'thousand cuts' policy. We in India are simply not interested in exporting proxy wars into other countries. The problems with the North East and Maoists are simply internal and pertain to internal policies and grievances. Whereas the problems from Pakistan are designed to generate communal violence in India and/or generate war between the two countries (which is far worse). I conclude that Pakistanis give far too much importance to cricket and cricket players and they need to diversify further into other sports and stop treating their players like they were demi-Gods or something. The same applies to Indians to some extent.

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  • 117. At 12:37pm on 06 Feb 2010, Naila wrote:

    @ 31: Shilpy, if you don't like cricket, please do not post comments concerning the sport. And yes, if you actually watch the news with an unbiased mind, you will realize that we are as much against the Taliban as anyone else. Which also means that we have a huge problem playing cricket with them, considering they are capable of blowing up the pitch any time they want.
    Back to the IPL, I believe that their reasons for not picking up our players are purely political, as well as that little grain of prejudice, since we "stole" away one-third of their land in 1947. They are actually ashamed to admit it, as is proved by their lame excuses, better than which a mischievous schoolboy can give.
    Finally, I would request more people like Shilpy to be more open-minded about other sports. Cricket is as good as football or baseball, perhaps even better. I don't see the enjoyment in 11 men kicking a ball halfway to one side of the pitch, then changing direction and kicking it all the way back ... but that is another story.

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  • 118. At 5:47pm on 06 Feb 2010, rukhsana maroof khan wrote:

    It is strange that the world's so called largest democracy is being run/ controlled by the exremists, whether they are in congress or in Thakuray's party.I believe that the region's peace is in danger because of these real Talibans...!!!!!
    This is true picture of MODERN, ENLIGHTENED India!

    rukhsana maroof khan

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  • 119. At 9:49pm on 06 Feb 2010, scindia101 wrote:

    Re: Rukhsaana Kahan comment I would like to say that India government is not run by extremists, never has been. In a democracy it is almost impossible for extremists to run the country because they will never get the votes. I do not think the Indian government had anything to do with IPL, a private body, or the franchises who select their teams. Why is everybody fussing so much over what is after all just a private competition? Do people from any of the countries react hysterically if their cricketers are not called in by the Lancashire League? Who cares? Why such an emotional response for an unofficial tournament? Indians and Pakistanis are the same poeple divided against their own by a line in the sand imposed by a colonial power. It is high time we calm down and live as good neighbors.

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  • 120. At 9:59pm on 06 Feb 2010, ahsanrm wrote:

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  • 121. At 10:13pm on 06 Feb 2010, ahsanrm wrote:

    leoca im a pakistani fan and u are absaloutly correct, it is an indian game so its up to them if they want the pakistani players and they got demolished by australia which was really embarrasing, i didnt really mind losing in the tests because we have not played test for about 2 years properly, but to lose in one dayes and t20 was disgusting. But anyway i felt gutted when they didnt choose the pakistani players, which fan wouldnt, every cricket fan even indians would love to have 1 or 2 pakistani players in their team, but its not going to happen so just hope for next year because we have the best talent in this format twice in t20 final won 1 lost 1, hope we will win the next 1 inshallah.. peace

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  • 122. At 10:51pm on 06 Feb 2010, ahsanrm wrote:

    I have to thank india, so what if there are no pakistani players, they had us in the first IPL and have had a full pakistani team in the ICL and let them have their name Lahore badshas in india so thank u. I dont blame india, its the pakistani cricket board they make some stupid decisions, not allowing a pakistani player to play for their country again because they played in the ICL. lucky they realised their mistake because it could have been new zealand or south africa in the final of t20 if they didnt get razzaq back, and he came back with a bang, taking important wickets in all the matches he played in. They also made another stupid mistake first making m.yousuf captain because he never wanted to be captain then telling him in the middle of the series he will get sacked after the series, idiots, I dont blame india, i blame the pcb. i just hate government wether its pakistani, indian, uk, usa i hate them all, all should rot in hell, it just takes one of them to ask for peace.

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  • 123. At 06:19am on 07 Feb 2010, Kaaydee wrote:

    please stop this dialogue , let IPL-3 roll , we are waiting to see real fast competitive cricket, now that there is talk of MCC buying a team into IPL am sure we shall see real GLOBALISED cricket, any Pakistani businessman has money then float a team at around $ 225 million or therabbouts & view , but it better be non tainted ??

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  • 124. At 2:53pm on 07 Feb 2010, ravindra wrote:

    I just want to remind all that we cannot win in this argument1) if Pakistan players are granted visa then will the good supporters for game with other +Undisirable & unwanted troublemaker antisocial elements filter with them into the Indian continent The game finishes but those with ill ideas stay & gives bad name to both the conunty,See whats happening on day to day today in Pakistan & why just because the Present govermrnt helped to get rid of those who should not be spreading Terrorist activities from within Pakistan ,Sorry both the county are Great in its place have same Rich culture & religious faith why world is spliting this & on the name of game,Indian authority can say visa & safety can only & only provide for Sports man visiting & not for the Others traveling into India from Pakistan/Afghanistan or other ban country,this will help Cricket to be played in good sprit
    Sorryy if I have offened any one

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  • 125. At 08:30am on 08 Feb 2010, chandar10001 wrote:

    it was interesting listening to SRK yesterday. He made it clear that the decision not to pick any pakistani players was a commercial motivated. Why do people therefore continue to blame the Indian government.

    It would good if the other franchise owners were also honest. Most are still continuining to issue conflicting statements, "pakistani players should have picked", "it was wrong", "we should keep politics out of sport", etc. The bottom line is they were only interested in two things, money and looking good in front of the camera. Picking pakistani players would not have helped with either. What new!!!!

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  • 126. At 6:17pm on 08 Feb 2010, rukhsana maroof khan wrote: are right, scindia101,that it is high time that we both,indians and pakistanis should calm down and live like good neighbours,but it is only possible if people like Deepak Kapoor just.........BUTTON UP !!

    rukhsana maroof khan
    [Personal details removed by Moderator]Pakistan.

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  • 127. At 7:03pm on 08 Feb 2010, rukhsana maroof khan wrote:

    Have courage and publish my 2nd comment.i don't see any thing wrong in it....

    rukhsana maroof khan

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  • 128. At 3:33pm on 09 Feb 2010, ma_the_guru wrote:

    this is all getting repetitive. evry1 is trying to site different reasons why this has happened. bombay attacks are being sited as the prime reason. there was no pakistan involvement in that even though the spineless and puppet government admitted to some parts of the accusation from the indians. people talk about casulties in bombay but what about the systematic purging by the occupying indian army in kashmir? people are being killed everyday for the reason that athey are muslims in their own homes and country. what about hindu fundamentalist together with their police slaughtering thousands just because they were muslims. what about the freindly train incident where the whole trains was burned with people inside. someone mentioned that why didn't pakistani crickters condemn the bombay attacks. well why don't indian crickers and others condemn the above attricities?? this ipl issue is the latest in a long list of indian hatereds against the pakistani people and nothing less no matter how you dress this up. a strong pakistani govenment should have taken retaliatory action against these cry wolf indians who openly showed the world that this atrocity took place on their soil. there hasn't been any explanation, apology or compensation regarding this, has there? pakistani cricketers don't need the ipl to improve their game or talent. they can live without it.

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  • 129. At 3:46pm on 09 Feb 2010, ma_the_guru wrote:

    no #117 we didn't steal their land. understand this correctly. india is ours and our weak and feeble minded leaders lost the majority of it to these indians. don't forget we had ruled it over 800 hundred years.

    back to ipl. well it's their league and they can make the rules however they want. why invite the cricketers in the first place?? but i think this has been discussed at length too.

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  • 130. At 7:32pm on 09 Feb 2010, Mohid wrote:

    IPL is private business entity. They reserve the right of selecting and not selecting any player of any nationality regardless of their performance. They can run IPL the way they want. And honestly IPL have proven to be very unprofessional and navie. IPL is fairly new and already they have been involved in so many controversies. The unfair treatment of black cheer leaders, last year change of venue due to security issues, and this year a deliberate attempt to insult cricketers from another country. So far Modi proved to be an unintelligent entrepreneur who is lacking business acumen to make IPL a great source of entertainment and cricket for years to come. He has been a bit short sighted and is destroying the brand. Masses in India are fan of Pakistani cricketers (vice verse) and they really enjoy watching them play. It is fair to say that even Indian public is disappointed. Its only Shiv Sena and IPL expressing hate and unjust behavior towards one nation. There is not much public support for that in India. I hope that IPL learns from its mistakes and improve the way they do business especially without discriminating against race and nationality.

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  • 131. At 01:25am on 10 Feb 2010, Noctis wrote:

    SRK is right when he questioned the wisdom of preventing people from certain countries from entering India. SRK is the biggest star in India and he is a 'muslim'. This does not make him a terrorist so why tarnish Pakistani players with this? The reason the Pakistani players were not allowed in to play in the IPL is due the influence afforded to extremist groups such as Shiv Sena. Cricket will soon die as a sport. At least in England we have football.

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  • 132. At 02:10am on 10 Feb 2010, licec wrote:

    Hi everyone. In 2003 world cup England refused to play against kenya. Pakistan players couldn't win even a single match in Australia. I am saying this to people who support pak, plz ask your own country to tour pakistan for a series. You people won't do that because of security reason, but India has to invite pak players to play in IPL. Anyway IPl is going to be huge hit. Even Afridi didn't perform well in IPL 1. Stop blaming India and enjoy IPL 3..

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  • 133. At 11:51pm on 10 Feb 2010, Indranil Sarkar wrote:

    Wow !! As is the norm with blogs like these - more time is spent abusing each other, than discussing anything worthwhile.
    There is only 1 question I would have to all those (from both India & Pakistan)- have any one of you had friends from across the border?

    I am certain, none of you [who have used veiled abusive language against the 'Other' neighbour and considered the words of a score of commentators here to be the pulse of a nation] have ever had..

    I play Saturday league cricket for a Welsh club which is owned and managed by a Pakistani gentleman and it has players from Pakistan, India and Wales and we all get along great; we don't want to kill each other off or stop people from crossing LoC or go for repatriation or the likes; and thats because we are common people and realise that there are vested interest groups in both countries who wish to keep the flame burning.

    IPL is run by individuals and organisations who only understand RoI and there is nothing 'Indian' about the constitution of an IPL team - its not an election by the people of India; its based on decisions taken by businessmen. If we want to try and make complete sense out of those, there are even bigger business decisions affecting the two countries, which we should be discussing ...

    If you like T20, stop fighting and watch IPL3; chances are, you would be entertained...

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  • 134. At 12:47pm on 12 Feb 2010, vivek wrote:

    i dont know why the first thing people do is compare, have we become so lazy, cant we dsicuss an issue not bringing in russia or america or olympics, see, if we talk about sports ethics then ruling out players from pakistan was bad but then a lot many factors come in, security, government (and what is private business anyways, are they allowed to run wild in any case), politics (please dont say they aren related, every goddamn thing on earth is), emotions, business...
    lets put this to rest and carry on..

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  • 135. At 4:25pm on 15 Feb 2010, Dave Murray wrote:

    I agree that mixing politics and sports is not ideal for "bridge building" relationships BUT seriously lets think about it, would you play golf with a next door neighbouor who houses a group of attackers that just attacked your family. The neighbour then fails to take full accountability when the attacks happened and doesnt co-operate with you. Then when all the evidence in the world is put in front of the neighbour, he/she then partially takes responsibility, but still fails to do anything about it....would you still go and have a game of golf with that person, I think NOT!!!

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  • 136. At 10:45pm on 15 Feb 2010, BENGAL TIGER - 2011 WC Champions wrote:

    It is beyond doubt that the Pakistan players were categorised and left out of IPL. However, it is a purely business decision. It had nothing to do with political stress. We never know when an attack might break out and Pakistan is suspected and all Pakistanis are refused Visas. So who'll pay for the loss?

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  • 137. At 10:49pm on 04 Mar 2010, DG wrote:

    The writing style of this guy Soutik Biswas reflects a lots of bias.
    First of all if the Indian govt has stated that IPL is a private organization and govt has no control on it's decision then what more you expect from govt ? Hasn't govt cleared the visas of Paki players ?

    Now every country has right to defend it's security. If there are security issue and IPL doesn't want to take risk then what is there not to understand ?

    And talking about cricket fans..believe that majority of us are not disappointed by the IPL decision.

    So please come out of your biased articles sometimes !

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  • 138. At 06:24am on 08 Mar 2010, H Zadoo wrote:

    Good questions raised by Mr. Biswas.
    One simple answer - The acronym IPL has an 'I' that stands for Indian.

    Which means the league is owned by India/ Indians. If the financiers of these teams, (who I presume are not Dawood Ibrahim lackeys, like some of the Bollywood actors) decide that they do not want players from Pakistan, then that is their legal right. If Pakistanis are offended by that, it is their prerogative.
    A better position for Pakistanis would be to put their money where their mouth is. They can go start a PPL and ask Indian actors and Dawood Ibrahim to finance this Pakistani league. Or their big brother - the house of Saud will gladly bail out, with all the oil wells it has in the backyard. The fact that hundreds of Indian citizens were killed in Mumbai by Qasab and his W. Pakistan trained jihadi buddies, last year. And we have Indians worried about the inducting of Pakistanis into IPL? That has me wondering about how much we Indians are out of touch with reality.
    - Are we Indians so desensitized to death?
    - If one of those dead in Mumbai's Victoria Terminus was our own brother or sister, would we be so much in arms about the status of Pakistani players in IPL?
    - As a people what lessons can we learn from our jawans who do their best to never leave an injured or dead comrade behind enemy lines?
    Hopefully these questions will help my fellow Indians clear their craniums of this new found love for jihadi cricket. Go look at the model player of Pakistani cricket - Imran Khan. After all that Oxford education and British wife, even he is sitting in the gutter with Hamid Gul (ex-ISI chief) getting indoctrinated on Jihad. To the point that he passes racist remarks about the dark skin of his own Pakistani leader, in a TV show. Do we Indians think he will love and hug your Indian self, when he cannot even treat his Pakistani people with decency and dignity?
    Think India, Think! In God's name, if you don't do anything - just think! Peace & Love.

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