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Are they bluffing?

Justin Webb | 00:32 UK time, Tuesday, 28 October 2008

This quotes a McCain advisor as suggesting that the race for some of the battleground states might be a bit closer than it seems. The McCain team is telling anyone who will listen that all is not lost.

I spent today in Pennsylvania where McCain's people are suggesting that a kind of subterranean surge is taking place. It's invisible to those of us who pal around with the mainstream pollsters but apparently it's showing up in their internal data.

Having attended a McCain rally tonight in Pottsville, Pennsylvania - loads of enthusiasm and a sharp eye kept on the press (one woman challenged me for yawning before the rally began and seemed pretty sceptical when I claimed it was genuine fatigue) - I'm certainly happy to concede to the McCain people that they have a firm base in Pennsylvania but at some stage, the private information is surely going to have to show up in the public polls.

One thing everyone agrees on is that McCain really needs Pennsylvania's 21 electoral votes and the public polls show him well behind at the moment.

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  • 1. At 00:51am on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    yes

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  • 2. At 00:51am on 28 Oct 2008, MagicKirin wrote:

    Justin:

    What do you expect?

    For the McCain campaign just to give up?

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  • 3. At 00:56am on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    so everyone is wrong except them? Their track record has'n't been good so far. I should'n't tempt fate though, as those McCain advisors are the font of neutrality ...

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  • 4. At 00:58am on 28 Oct 2008, Wil wrote:

    They are not bluffing and they might win due to their secret card. The card of fear.

    The attack on syria and maybe even iran will trigger a reaction. This will boost McCain as the US media and citizen will only remember the reaction but not the action.

    Let hope Syria has a more leveled head. And don't react this time round.

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  • 5. At 01:05am on 28 Oct 2008, TheHandOfHistory wrote:

    Of course, the problem with McCain's polls is that they only include Republicans.

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  • 6. At 01:08am on 28 Oct 2008, Ptrsln wrote:

    "This quotes a McCain advisor as suggesting that the race for some of the battleground states might be a bit closer than it seems. The McCain team is telling anyone who will listen that all is not lost."

    This is the surest sign that all is lost.

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  • 7. At 01:19am on 28 Oct 2008, southernrockies wrote:

    Justin,

    Are they bluffing? No, I think this sounds more like "whistling in the dark." Otherwise, as you point out, we would see a shift in the numerous polls.

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  • 8. At 01:20am on 28 Oct 2008, palebiscuit wrote:

    Hmmmm I wonder what members belonging to this "subterranean surge" look like. Do they actually live underground?

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  • 9. At 01:27am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    Surely the mainstream pollsters have a wider dispersed, less partisan and more consistent survey as well as having more experience from having carried out the same polls every 4 years? I bet none of McCains pollsters have done any proper Presidential polling before this campaign.

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  • 10. At 01:34am on 28 Oct 2008, BillKeller wrote:

    Pottsville is a very old and quite frankly isolated city in central Pennsylvania. It was pretty well drained of its blood by the mining companies up to the Great Depression. Its young tend to migrate to Philly or Pittsburgh. It was notorious for its ethnic discrimination among Europeans. For McCain to be successful there would mean the isolation remains fixed. They also like to be subsidized by the metropolitan areas so his tax avoidance play may work although the taxes from the cities support them. In this they do tend to act like Alabama.

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  • 11. At 01:35am on 28 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    McCain is trying to discredit the polls and plant anxiety in Obama's supporters. I don't see how this can change the results.

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  • 12. At 01:39am on 28 Oct 2008, Stephen Derry wrote:

    All McCain can do is keep plugging away in the states he needs to win, and hope that a combination of liberal media bias, the Bradley effect and last minute conversions will prove all the polls wrong.

    Failing that he is depending on Obama making the mother of all gaffes, or one of the internet's famous wingnuts producing irrefutable proof that he is a Kenyan-born Arab Marxist terrorist who eats babies.

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  • 13. At 02:02am on 28 Oct 2008, cyrilcroydon wrote:

    It's like watching Comical Ali claiming the Americans were being thrashed during the Iraq war.

    The GOP have been sending out horrendously negative mailings about Ayers and Rezko. They might as well just say "don't let the n*gger in" and be done with it.

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  • 14. At 02:02am on 28 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    Let's not forget the (election-programmed?) attacks on Syria and Pakistan. Should those countries retaliate, McCain will try to use it to his advantage. Politicians are without souls.

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  • 15. At 02:12am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    #12 StephenDerry wrote:

    "All McCain can do is keep plugging away in the states he needs to win, and hope that a combination of liberal media bias, the Bradley effect and last minute conversions will prove all the polls wrong."

    I think he's probably going to need a bit more than that!- putting "all McCain needs to do" is a bit of an understatement given that the polls have remained fairly stable since the Palin bubble burst...

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  • 16. At 02:14am on 28 Oct 2008, tokando wrote:

    It's a scary thought that they could at some level be right. I liked Mccain before this election and thought he should have been the candidate in 2000. But now the thought of a Mccain/Palin team in power sickens me. If they get in the Mayan prediction could probably come to fruition.
    Oh and another thing, watching faux news I saw them complaining about "ELITES" Sooo being intelligent in America is a bad thing?? I have met a lot of intelligent Americans on my travels but when I was actually in America im sad to say I was wanting for an intelligent conversation.

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  • 17. At 02:15am on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    I don't think the attack in (not on) Syria was election-programmed. I think they acted on information that someone they wanted to take out was at a specific place, and they went after him. I'm not saying that Machiavellian conspiracy plots are out of the question, I'm just not inclined to believe in them when there is a much more straightforward explanation and no evidence to support something more sinister.

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  • 18. At 02:16am on 28 Oct 2008, britinportland wrote:

    Warning: crazy paranoid theory imminent...

    What if this talk of 'closing the gap' (in polls that conveniently only Republicans have access to), is merely them preparing justification for winning many of the swing states through voting machine fraud?

    Read this. It's scary.

    http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6559


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  • 19. At 02:17am on 28 Oct 2008, Via-Media wrote:

    #14 allmymarbles

    As skeptical as I am about politicians, I don't see that it would be in anyone's interest to deliberately provoke an attack. If nothing else, there's a good possibility that the incoming administration isn't going to be so favorably disposed to Bush's past efforts at diplomacy. A rational politico lie Gates would realize (I hope) that a Democratic successor if evidence was found wouldn't hesitate to point fingers and name names. Bush, who might be showing some belated glimmers at trying to define his legacy, wouldn't want to risk it.

    I'm more inclined to suspect an honest mistake, or a hotheaded junior officer acting w.out approval. Or maybe thought no one would notice, until things went wrong?

    Or, I could just be overdue for my happy pills...

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  • 20. At 02:30am on 28 Oct 2008, Via-Media wrote:

    #18 britinportland

    Any way you could summarize? My browser won't let me in to that blog site...

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  • 21. At 02:32am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    #18,
    I think someone made a point about electronic voting as well last blog but I'll make it again.
    What is wrong with a pencil (or, to be safe against eraser-armed Republican fraudsters, a permanent marker) and paper to vote?? That way there is no argument over votes, which would save a lot of trouble because with this grey area I can just see all hell being let loose if, legitimately or not, Obama doesn't win.

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  • 22. At 02:34am on 28 Oct 2008, Mikeh92467 wrote:

    Kinda reminds me of Richard Nixon's "secret plan" for getting us out of Vietnam.

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  • 23. At 02:39am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    Re: #21

    sorry i meant counters not fraudsters...

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  • 24. At 02:40am on 28 Oct 2008, Stephen Derry wrote:

    If God himself came down and anointed McCain as The Chosen One, he'd still only get a 1-2% bump in the polls.

    It would be reported as a stunt that only played well to the Republican base constituency. And some of us smartass atheist liberals would just accuse him of associating with terrorists.

    I honestly think there is nothing, literally nothing that could realistically happen that would unequivocally play well for McCain.

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  • 25. At 02:45am on 28 Oct 2008, OldSouth wrote:

    Are they bluffing? Hard to say. The fact that the campaign returned to Iowa, when the newspapers say they are way behind, makes me wonder: Are the mainline pollsters really talking to everyone, and are people lying to the pollsters?

    Given how little money the McCain campaign has to work with, they can't afford to spend needlessly.

    Perhaps, the prospect of Osama in his cave and Obama in the White House is creating some long-overdue sober thought. The economy is going to struggle, no matter who is in office, and no one owns the 'silver bullet' that will quickly create a recovery. Bad economy or good economy, we live in a very tough neighborhood, and are at war.

    And Barney Frank is prattling about how he and his posse plan to cut military spending by 25%. He should know, since he's in the House leadership.

    Do we really want him and his to enjoy basically unconstrained power?

    Sobering thought before one steps up to vote.

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  • 26. At 02:52am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    And what is this tightnening of the polls in the run-up to the election people keep talking about? Weeks ago McCain was putting his faith in how the polls are going to tighten before Nov 4 and I sit here a week before the election and nothing has changed. When is this Republican bounce meant to happen?

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  • 27. At 02:55am on 28 Oct 2008, Cambodiacalling wrote:

    Even if the attacks on Syria and Pakistan where in some way a plitically timed event I just don't see how this is going to help McCain - what is he going to do - suspend his campaign again and return to Washington so he can sit in the war room with his pal Bush and plan the invasion of Iran - as Clinton would say "give me a break...." McCain is just so out-of-step and devoid of any real game plan that his whole campaign in now imploding. Why would anyone think he can help in a foreign policy crisis or significant overseas event is just beyond me - sitting in a squalid Vietnamese prison doesn't qualify one for that - sound judgement, diplomacy, patience and good advisors do! McCain's whole campaign has become such a tortuous nightmare that I would be surprised there are any good advisors standing by him - if he had good advisors he simply would not be running the shambolic election campaign that he is.

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  • 28. At 02:58am on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    britinportland (#18), I agree that there are legitimate concerns about the electronic voting machines. It's a disgrace to have this issue come up just before an election. Part of the problem is that each state, or county, makes a decision on voting equipment. Some jurisdictions have not qualified these devices, but many have. Often, election officials allow any individual voter to ask for a paper ballot instead. Of course, they can run out of those (perhaps intentionally).

    I don't like these touch-screen all-electronic voting systems, myself. It's not because I am averse to technology generally, as I have been in the computer business a very long time.

    It's difficult to avoid electronic systems altogether. My county uses a paper form which is marked in ink with an ordinary pen. The forms are tabulated by an electronic scanner, but the paper form is human-readable so a manual count is possible as a backup. I think it's an improvement over the former punch-card system.

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  • 29. At 02:58am on 28 Oct 2008, David Cunard wrote:

    "the race for some of the battleground states might be a bit closer than it seems."

    I had posted this link to Newsweek before and, unlikely as it seems, it could prove true. As the saying goes, 'Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.' Mr Dewey's supporters did just that - and were they ever surprised!

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  • 30. At 03:04am on 28 Oct 2008, Via-Media wrote:

    #25

    Sober thought, for whom? There's been plenty of talk about the dangers of one party being in control, but in reality- the 1st few years of GWB's administration nonwithstanding- one party control doesn't exist.

    To be a successful politician requires many, in my humble opinion, to have a bit larger ego than fits most of us. Having a bunch of large egos in the same room is bound to cause friction.

    Add to this are the natural, structured tensions between Legislative and Executive and Judicial power. Bush has had some of his biggest checks administered by some of the same supposedly conservative judges he appointed. And anyone who thinks Congress will just lie down and fetch the newspaper anytime a President Obama whistles isn't being realistic.

    And finally, it's assuming an scary image of the Dems long trumpeted by the mouthpieces of the Right ("First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Democrats?" Sorry, once a history major...) This is the boogeyman of the Democratic "machine". Perhaps a leftover vision from the Cold War, the jackbooted legions of the Red Hordes, poised to sweep in and impose the new socialist utopia?

    Even a cursory look at the facts prove otherwise. The current unity is in truth a remarkable exception to the usual Democratic fragmentation and infighting. The Dems have coalitions, sub-factions, and to some extent competing ideologies, all frothing beneath the surface.

    The newfound unity might or might not last after the election. If it does, it probably won't last much longer than it takes for the Republicans to fall apart from the weight of their own widening internal inconsistencies.

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  • 31. At 03:06am on 28 Oct 2008, cyrilcroydon wrote:

    The campaign has become a joke. The choice of the "diva" Palin and the constant fearmongering brings shame onto the party of Reagan. They're taking anti-intellectualism to new frontiers that even Karl Rove would not have thought possible. I heard a "joke" the other day that now only rich people, morons and racists vote Republican. It's not that far off.

    Obama's closing pitch is wonderful to watch in comparison to the constant negativity of Plain Sarah and "my friends" McCain.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_K8SvhItZg

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  • 32. At 03:14am on 28 Oct 2008, cyrilcroydon wrote:

    Regarding Dewey's defeat, modern polling methods are far more accurate and have greatly improved even since 4 years ago.

    The polls for the primaries (apart from New Hampshire) proved to be very accurate, and in some cases underestimated Obama's support in states with large black populations.

    The negative robocalls and mailouts may solidify the conservative base, but so far do not seem to be shifting swing voters. The economy trumps everything.

    At this stage, I would say a landslide is very possible.

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  • 33. At 03:50am on 28 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    25, OldSouth.

    It seems doubtful that all the polls could be wrong. Are people lying? Could be, but in which direction? And what about the people with cell phones that they cannot poll? There are many imponderables here.

    It could be that McCain is banking on misdirection. Surely going after Iowa and Pennsylvania is strange. You would think he would hunker down in Florida, North Carolina, Missouri and Indiana. He acts as though he has something up his sleeve, probably to unsettle people. There are a bunch of people who can't be unsettled - the early voters.

    That is not to say that McCain doesn't have something up his sleeve. I wonder if the Republican Party is provoking both Syria and Pakistan into attacking our troops in Iraq, in a last minute ploy to turn the vote around. That would be sleazy politics at its worst. Unfortunately politics is sleazy.

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  • 34. At 03:51am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    #25,

    Here in the UK, every government that has ever had a majority in the House of Commons has enjoyed total control of all legislation etc being decided on (on the whole).
    While I admit your system is much more democratic and normally requires bipartisan approval (which I am not fully against), the idea of a minority in the Senate (as long as the Republicans do end up with 41 seats or more) being able to talk out a Bill seems stupid to me.
    You may be against it, but if Obama wins and the Democrats do hold on to the Senate and H.O.R, then it's clear that most Americans do want Obama to be able to pass legislation more easily.
    And I say all this as a supporter of the British Conservative Party who has been heavily against some of the legislation passed by our "socialist" government in the last 11-12 years.

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  • 35. At 03:53am on 28 Oct 2008, BienvenueEnLouisiana wrote:

    People, stop declaring the U.S. attack along the Syrian border an "October surprise" to aid McCain that backfired; you only look foolish. That's not how things work in the real world; in fact, the story was barely even covered in the U.S. The raid was necessary to keep order along the border though. And if there is anyone to blame for the deaths, people should really blame Al Qaeda Coordinator, Abu Ghadiyain, and his cronies who were caught or killed in the act of using the locals there as human shields. As an American to all Syrians, I feel for your loss as we too are losing loved ones in this conflict; too many have been killed because of Al Qaeda's quest for power and lack of value for human life.

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  • 36. At 03:54am on 28 Oct 2008, U13651376 wrote:

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  • 37. At 03:57am on 28 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    It might be of interest to gamblers that, as of about half an hour ago, McCain was given a 12.1 per cent chance of winning. That is the lowest figure I have seen. Before the last debate he was above 18 per cent. It dropped immediately afterwards and has been sliding ever since.

    Does anyone know if betting odds are more reliable than polls?

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  • 38. At 04:05am on 28 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    36, Dame (staphylococcus aureus).

    "Maggie knows lots of old Jewish people and trust me...it's not for the "schwartzer" Oy vay!"

    Guess what, I know lots of Jewish people and I am pleased to say they are not racist like your friends. For your information Jews were very active in the fight for racial equality.

    You keep your friends. I'll keep mine.

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  • 39. At 04:17am on 28 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    29, David.

    "The race for some of the battleground states might be a bit closer than it seems."

    That may be true, but McCain has to win ALL of the battleground states to win the electoral vote. McCain is using smoke and mirrors to confuse the public. We have to remember that he is not privy to information that an army of investigators has failed to unearth.

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  • 40. At 04:53am on 28 Oct 2008, David Cunard wrote:

    #32. cyrilcroydon: "Regarding Dewey's defeat, modern polling methods are far more accurate and have greatly improved even since 4 years ago."

    The Chicago Daily Tribune headlines were not based on polling from the days leading up to the election but rather from the results as they came in on November 2nd 1948. As the result became clearer, the paper's headline was amended to reflect what was happening. Much like the initial projection by the networks for Al Gore on Florida - and then the retraction.

    Next Tuesday we'll see how careful the anchors are before deciding who has won - they won't want to make the same mistake again.

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  • 41. At 05:16am on 28 Oct 2008, HabsHammer wrote:

    Obama is up in every -absolutely EVERY- demographic, including working class, seniors, and white men -all supposed to be McCain's bread and butter.
    Even Clinton didn't take white men (if Obama loses that group by just a few points, within the margin of error, and takes white women, that would still be remarkable).

    Obama's up in EVERY swing state, often by double digits (like PA), plus a few that weren't supposed to be even close.

    We are witnessing a truly epic moment in American history, a turning of the page on race relations, class warfare, and the culture war in a way not seen since 1964 -and a possible democratic landslide every bit as large in terms of EC.

    Is McCain bluffing? Is the Pope Catholic?
    Stick a fork in him, he's done.

    But he's got to look like he's trying 'til the time clock runs out the last few minutes, even if he's down by a touchdown, and the other team's had possesion the better part of the last quarter with no sign of a turnover (oh yeah, and 'h.o.f'-ers like Gingrich, and the hometown media like Brooks & Frum slinging mud at him.)

    (sorry if I lost some Brits with the U.S. football analogy, but it seems the best fit)

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  • 42. At 05:39am on 28 Oct 2008, HabsHammer wrote:

    #10, Bill Keller:

    Thanks for the background on Pottsville. Why am I not surprised that's where McCain is finding a rare pocket of northern support?

    Fitting, too, as the GOP is going in the wilderness for a long, long time (maybe they'll surprise us and disown Palin and her racist, batsh*t ignorant ilk post-election, though).


    #13:

    "They're calling him everything but n*gger", as an Ethiopian-Canadian friend of mine said.

    And anyone who thinks Bush trying to provoke an attack from Syria to help McCain is just crazy talk, has somehow forgotten the chicanery that got the U.S. & UK into Iraq in the first place.

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  • 43. At 05:50am on 28 Oct 2008, everyoneiscrazy wrote:

    "McCains new tactic is to publicly denounce any relationship in policy to George Bush. He's being quite outspoken about it and it's pleasing former republican voters."

    That must be difficult considering he voted for 95% of them.

    It must be pleasing stupid republican voters.

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  • 44. At 05:54am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    #37,

    Betting will always make the bookie win, so the odds will always be worse than it is in reality. For example, they say 12.1% odds for McCain but Obama they probably only give 75-80% odds (which doesn't equal 100% put together). So 12.1% odds is probably more like a 15%-20% chance of it happening (if that makes sense). But I'm sure their research and sources are pretty accurate and as reliable as polls.

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  • 45. At 06:01am on 28 Oct 2008, BeebLeeMoore wrote:

    An explanation for why the McCain team may still be interested in Pennsylvania is offered here :

    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/10/27/why-john-mccain-continues-to-trail-barack-obama-in-pennsylvania.html

    In a nutshell, compared with Bush they are doing pretty well in most of the state, but very badly indeed in suburban Philadelphia, an area which they have historically been able to compete OK, since there are plenty of upscale bits of it. Hence they may think they have a chance of turning it round there, particularly if they can get across the message that Obama is bad for wallets.

    But generally, it's hardly a surprise that they are still trying to win. As someone said earlier on, the betting is that McCain has about a 12% chance of winning. That's not high, but it's not zero. He's 5%-10% behind, not 15%-20%. Hence like any good bridge player who needs three finesses to bring off his contract, he's playing for the cards to be where he needs them to be. There's no point giving up.

    He's still overwhelmingly likely to lose, and lose big, but why would anyone expect him to give up ? Him of all people ?

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  • 46. At 06:20am on 28 Oct 2008, David Cunard wrote:

    #39. allmymarbles: "29, David.

    "The race for some of the battleground states might be a bit closer than it seems."

    That may be true, but McCain has to win ALL of the battleground states to win the electoral vote."

    I understand that, I was just quoting Justin at the head of this subject; the Newsweek link at #29 elaborates.

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  • 47. At 06:20am on 28 Oct 2008, ruiraquel wrote:

    Hi everybody, just saw the 3rd presidential debate on youtube. How can the republicans still have 45%? 8 years of republicans caused a massive increase in government (+40% says McCain!) and the biggest transfer of wealth from consumers to foreign creditors ever. Adding the financial cost of the Iraq war alone to gas prices would raise them well beyond the usd 4/gallon record this summer. Who benefittd from 8 years of GW Bush? Do 45% of US citizens not see thorugh this fog? Is Democracy in the US totally hijacked by propaganda of special interest groups?

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  • 48. At 06:26am on 28 Oct 2008, Xie_Ming wrote:

    We agree:

    "At 02:02am on 28 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:
    Let's not forget the (election-programmed?) attacks on Syria and Pakistan. Should those countries retaliate, McCain will try to use it to his advantage. Politicians are without souls"

    The "rationale" is dangerously simplistic:
    McCain (the dogged junior officer) is touted as a great military leader. Therefore, create a situation where a "great military leader" seems needed.

    Should he and Palin get in:
    (1) conscription
    (2) attack on Iran and Syria
    (3) war economy to end recession/depression.

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  • 49. At 06:41am on 28 Oct 2008, everyoneiscrazy wrote:

    "particularly if they can get across the message that Obama is bad for wallets"

    Not so bad if you earn under 250k, significantly more than your average person.

    In fact you might actually get a small tax break.

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  • 50. At 06:49am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    slightly off topic, but I'm just wandering if McCain's maverick image he's portraying himself as might come back to haunt him.
    Sure, he's getting more votes than he would have done if he had come out saying he was similar to George Bush but there just seems to be no unity in the GOP at all at the moment.

    Whereas Obama has ex-fierce rival Hillary Clinton and her husband ex-President Bill Clinton campaigning for him as well as Biden and in his absence his wife Michelle, it just seems to be a two-person show for the Republicans. I could be wrong, it may just be my ignorance or the BBCs incompetance, but when has for example, Huckerbee (who backed McCain after losing the nomination to him) or any other Republican done any well-publicised campaigning on McCain's behalf? Cindy McCain just stands there nodding stupidly next to her husband at every appropriate moment, and the majority of Republican Congressmen care much more about their threatened Senate/HOR seats than backing their alienated Presidential nominee.

    And then Colin Powell endorses Obama and Newt Gingrich, former (Republican) Speaker of the House of Representatives says: "How did we get into this mess?" Divided parties rarely win elections- ask Iain Duncan-Smith.

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  • 51. At 06:58am on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    I see that Dame Margaret got handbagged by the mods.

    How satisfying.

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  • 52. At 06:58am on 28 Oct 2008, Sankari wrote:

    Post #47; ruiraquel wrote: "Do 45% of US citizens not see thorugh this fog?"

    No.

    "Is Democracy in the US totally hijacked by propaganda of special interest groups?"

    Yes.

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  • 53. At 07:07am on 28 Oct 2008, ladycm wrote:

    43. At 05:50am on 28 Oct 2008, everyoneiscrazy:

    "That must be difficult considering he voted for 95% of them”.
    “It must be pleasing stupid republican voters".

    Turns out, there is no shortage of idiots here. You are totally correct. Lately (especially) I am having a REALLY tough time seeing how the majority of Americans are benefitting from trickle down economics. I definitely am not benefiting from it. The only thing trickling down to me is the enormous debt my generation will be responsible for. I guess people who are willing to vote for this crap have two things in common:
    1) Those who have money will vote for this so they can continue to have a strangle hold on America and the economy.
    2) Those who have no money attempt to be #1, unsuccessfully usually. Or they are just religious nuts. No shortage of those here either.

    John McCain did vote roughly 90% of the time with George Bush. Can someone show me the “maverick” here?

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  • 54. At 07:08am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    Re: #50,

    sorry i meant William Hague not IDS..

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  • 55. At 07:12am on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    Sam ~

    Magnificent appearance by the Lady - but I'm afraid that Jay Leno may have elbowed you out of your place as No. I fan.

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  • 56. At 07:17am on 28 Oct 2008, ladycm wrote:

    #47, in short...yes.

    Sad isn't it? But, be careful what you think and feel. Sarah Palin has informed us, if you are not with the GOP then you are not "pro American". Right... it is totally out of character for Americans/ America to fight against injustice. We have never stood up for we believe in. I just have to emphasize that I think it is total and complete garbage some people are "pro American" and some are not. Just because many Americans want an overhaul of this country does not mean we dont love America. We just understand that the fundamentalist attitude of the current administration is not working and we are tired of it. Change is not always bad and revolutions are necessary at times.

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  • 57. At 07:21am on 28 Oct 2008, ladycm wrote:

    One other thing that is way off topic; I guess you cannot use punctuation here. It looks like I am obsessed with question marks, but I am not.

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  • 58. At 07:21am on 28 Oct 2008, kbnuts wrote:

    I think McCain could still win. But are they bluffing? Almost certainly yes.

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  • 59. At 07:36am on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:


    A further thought after watching Michelle's appearance with Jay Leno - and explaining that she doesn't feel the need to spend squillions (or squirrelions) on her outfits.

    1. She could wear my cat's blanket and look good.

    2. If she becomes First Lady every designer in the world will be queueing up to dress her - I think we're in for a few Princess Diana moments with the photographers.

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  • 60. At 07:55am on 28 Oct 2008, malcolmd3111 wrote:

    More news about votes being switched from Dems to Repubs. If the machines were electronically dysfunctional (as opposed to the Republican party) then the errors would be statistically even. 50% switch randomly to each party. The fact that all the reported switches go one way (D to R) suggest technical malfiescence.

    Obama's lawyers should be all over this and, at the moment they seem to be silent on the matter.

    I've stated before a strong democratic system must have an above board voting process which allows all people who want to vote to have their vote tallied correctly.

    I won't feel comfortable until I see the 271+ ECV's for BO. Over the long haul anyone who believes in a so called democracy must want a transparent and fair election process. To want otherwise indicates hypocracy and selfishness

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  • 61. At 08:05am on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    # 60

    Malcolm ~

    To "Hypocrisy and selfishness" add "criminality".

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  • 62. At 08:05am on 28 Oct 2008, U13651376 wrote:

    Maggies back in town.

    At #36, I appear to have been harpooned by Michael Heseltine. Who knew that house rules extended to the use of yiddish?...Not this Iron Lady!

    Anyway. Senator McCain is correct to observe that this election is far from over.

    McCain is building momentum from his socialist observations of Obama. (The so called "Joe The Plumber" ads) Which run 4 times nightly at prime time.

    McCain's ephiphany has occured over the last 2 days - when he has been quite outspoken in divorcing his economic policy from that of George W. Bush. This has served to galvanize the support of former republican voters who are keen to distance themselves from this unpopular president.

    Although lagging behind in several swing states, these same states also indicate large percentages of undecided voters (eg: Florida showing 18% undecided in some polls)

    These respondents may decline from offering a preference of candidate, for fear of getting their comments removed by the wets.

    In summary, this race is far from over. Mr Obama is premature in picking the drapes for the oval office and asking Diddy to do the spinning.

    Maggie is now signing off to watch "Blazing Saddles". A humorous motion picture with some topical relevance. Ta! Ta!

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  • 63. At 08:11am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    #60,

    "More news about votes being switched from Dems to Repubs. If the machines were electronically dysfunctional (as opposed to the Republican party) then the errors would be statistically even. 50% switch randomly to each party. The fact that all the reported switches go one way (D to R) suggest technical malfiescence."

    I completely agree, and I don't see how America were able to put a man on the moon in the 1960's and still not able to produce a reliable electronic voting machine by 2000.

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  • 64. At 08:27am on 28 Oct 2008, Drudge52 wrote:

    The only poll that matters is on election day behind the curtain,in private.
    I am sure when the curtain is drawn on the hype, the spin, and the opinion polls,the American people will see reason and vote for a guy who has served his country with distinction,has been tested many times,has worked many times across the aisle not for special interest groups but for the American people.He may not be as good as some talking the talk but he has proved time and time again he can walk the walk.There may be tough times ahead both economically and in the War on terror but who can we trust and count on to make the right decisions and has shown these qualities in the past?
    There is only one man John McCain.

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  • 65. At 08:29am on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    # 62

    The Dame seems to have eaten the beans even before watching Blazing Saddles.

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  • 66. At 08:31am on 28 Oct 2008, alyourpal wrote:

    McCaine had lost the minute he chose Palin as a running partner rather than Condoleeza Rice, who at least has more than two brain cells. Or maybe he did ask Condoleeza but she had better things to do

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  • 67. At 08:33am on 28 Oct 2008, loosetalk wrote:

    The problem for the Republicans is that their only source for news is FOX. Last night one of their 'reporters' compared the latest polls and took average margins of error and declared the race A TIE!

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  • 68. At 08:47am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    #64,

    "the American people will see reason and vote for a guy who has served his country with distinction"



    When will people realise that just because you were a dedicated soldier, it doesn't (neccessarily) make you a good President? It's a bit like saying that just because you worked hard at school and even though you were bottom of your class (like McCain was) that you should be a hedge fund manager or a CEO. It doesn't work like that!

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  • 69. At 08:54am on 28 Oct 2008, U13651376 wrote:

    I know that Palin comes over as "folksy" but you underestimate the effect that she has had to the GOP ticket.

    She was wet behind the ears when she did the Couric interviews - but in the last 2 weeks she has been a superb spokesperson....Really sensational ad libs.

    She comes out of there like Margaret Thatcher on steroids with all guns blazing!

    McCain was pulling 7,000 at rallies. Palin now pulls 70,000. McCain had a 7 point lead after Palin took the VP position. She actually has more executive experience than Obama!

    She also "firms up the base" of the GOP ticket by appealing to the huge evangelical and pro-life voters. I know its difficult for Europeans to appreciate - but she's essential as a VP.

    Conversely, Biden puts his foot in his mouth on a daily basis and is not criticized by the liberal media at all!

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  • 70. At 08:56am on 28 Oct 2008, Mutatis_Mutandis wrote:

    It's true that this campaign has highlighted the division in the Republican party, but that is nothing new. For a long time the GOP has been split between the "traditional" conservatives, who basically advocate a pragmatic and sober government with minimal cost, and the "ideological" conservatives, who regard government as a tool for social change in their desired direction, whatever the cost. McCain-Palin stand uneasily over this yawning gap. The Huckabee campaign should at least have indicated to McCain that the religious right can keep a candidate in the running, but can't make him win. Palin was a poor choice.

    The GOP new risks being relegated to a perpetual opposition dominated by an extremist rump, unelectable and unelected. If that happens, it will need to wait for a strong leader who is willing to alienate the far-out wing of the party to regain access to the political center -- some American, right-wing version of Tony Blair. He will have to cleanse the party of the Coulters and Limbaughs, and find ways to appeal to both the growing number of retired baby-boomers worried about health care and social insecurity, and the large and young "non-Caucasian" groups in the US. It will be a though act.

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  • 71. At 09:05am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    #69,

    "She also 'firms up the base' of the GOP ticket by appealing to the huge evangelical and pro-life voters. I know its difficult for Europeans to appreciate - but she's essential as a VP.
    Conversely, Biden puts his foot in his mouth on a daily basis and is not criticized by the liberal media at all!"

    The "evangelical and pro-life voters" would have voted McCain anyway- no matter how much they resent his supposed "moderate/maverick" image they would much rather see him in power as opposed to Obama.
    And forgive me if I'm wrong, but the only "gaffe" from Biden since Obama chose him as his VP is the one about how Obama will face a crisis when elected- where he was misunderstood. Biden meant whoever got elected would face a crisis of some kind. But I do agree Palin has improved her image since the VP debate, not hard when you couldn't name a newspaper you read though...






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  • 72. At 09:06am on 28 Oct 2008, bugalowbill wrote:

    Hi Justin

    There has been a lot of talk about race in the race, if you know what I mean, and I am wondering if something strange is about to happen. Not the Bradley effect. The OJ effect.

    Recently, I have been watching the American version of CNN, and just about every night they shove a microphone under the nose of a working-class white voter who says they support Obama.

    Immediately after that, there regularly follows a piece on the so-called Bradley effect, where the commentator mentions that white people may say they are voting Obama, but then vote McCain on racial grounds in the confessional privacy of the voting booth.

    Is it possible this constant refrain might make enough people think that to vote McCain at all is racist?

    And then, like the original jury members who didn't want to vote OJ Simpson guilty because they were terrified they would be thought of as racist, soft McCain supporters may find themselves voting for Obama?

    If this is possible, then the Obama supporting elements of the American media are playing a very tricky game indeed.

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  • 73. At 09:07am on 28 Oct 2008, Drudge52 wrote:

    DameMargaretThatcher wrote:
    McCain was pulling 7,000 at rallies. Palin now pulls 70,000. McCain had a 7 point lead after Palin took the VP position. She actually has more executive experience than Obama!

    She also "firms up the base" of the GOP ticket by appealing to the huge evangelical and pro-life voters. I know its difficult for Europeans to appreciate - but she's essential as a VP.

    And is for this reason the Obama campaign sees her as a big threat and that is why they attack her constantly.
    I believe McCain made a great choice when he chose her as VP.
    Both McCain and Palin have grown so confident in the last week because private polling rather than the official liberal slanted polling is showing that McCain can win.

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  • 74. At 09:08am on 28 Oct 2008, MagicKirin wrote:

    ref #49

    I am always amused when one side or another claims the other is governored by special interests.

    Rep
    Big Business
    Small Business
    Christinan Conservative
    Others

    Dems
    Labor Unions
    Trial Lawyers
    ACLU
    Others

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  • 75. At 09:08am on 28 Oct 2008, Simon21 wrote:

    "69. At 08:54am on 28 Oct 2008, DameMargaretThatcher wrote:
    I know that Palin comes over as "folksy" but you underestimate the effect that she has had to the GOP ticket."

    No extreme republicans like her a lot, but sadly her views alienate as many mainstream as they impress

    "She was wet behind the ears when she did the Couric interviews - but in the last 2 weeks she has been a superb spokesperson....Really sensational ad libs."

    Is wet behind the ears another phrase for woeful ignorance?

    Fabulous ad-libs? Hardly. She is in fact looking very muted these days.

    "She comes out of there like Margaret Thatcher on steroids with all guns blazing!"

    No where near it. Margaret Thatcher always made sure she knew something of what she was talking about.

    "McCain was pulling 7,000 at rallies. Palin now pulls 70,000. McCain had a 7 point lead after Palin took the VP position. She actually has more executive experience than Obama!"

    But she is now damaged goods. Every day brings a new revelation. Her wardrobe, her diva behaviour, her inability to learn etc.

    "She also "firms up the base" of the GOP ticket by appealing to the huge evangelical and pro-life voters. I know its difficult for Europeans to appreciate - but she's essential as a VP."

    SHe is a gift for Obama and firms up his support no end.

    He only has to point ot the possibility of her getting in the whitehouse to firm up his own support.

    She also humiliates McCain by showing his bad judgement

    "Conversely, Biden puts his foot in his mouth on a daily basis and is not criticized by the liberal media at all!"

    Who cares? Biden doesn't go around in borrowed, expensive clothes pretending being stupid is a good thing.


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  • 76. At 09:10am on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    # 69

    "McCain had a 7 point lead when Palin took the VP position"

    Since when, as people have got to know her, his lead has dropped day by day to minus 7.

    Keep eating the beans, your dameship.

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  • 77. At 09:14am on 28 Oct 2008, HabsHammer wrote:

    #63, hainesoides:

    "I don't see how America were able to put a man on the moon in the 1960's and still not able to produce a reliable electronic voting machine by 2000."

    Great line. There is no such thing as a reliable electronic voting machine, though.

    Pencil and paper, counted by hand; it's the standard in every other western nation.

    Why the U.S. can't do the same is beyond me, but they can't pretend to be the beacon of democracy in the world until they do.

    Or as a friend of mine said in 2000:
    Let's see: A contested election, allegations of tampered ballots and voters disappearing from the lists, near-rioting in the streets in Dade County, and in the state where it comes down to the wire, the governor is the "winner" 's brother?... If this was in Asia or Africa, wouldn't the UN be demanding the results are annuled and sending observers for a fresh round of voting?

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  • 78. At 09:14am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    #73,

    "Both McCain and Palin have grown so confident in the last week because private polling rather than the official liberal slanted polling is showing that McCain can win."



    What evidence do you have that official polling is liberal slanted?



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  • 79. At 09:15am on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    Of course McCain is bluffing, trying to suck in a few more swing voters by making them think there is a surge (that word again - but does it work?) for McCain.

    Hopefully this will remind all the democrats not to be complacent and to get those votes in for Obama.

    More worrying is the suggestion voiced by britinportland #18
    "What if this talk of 'closing the gap' (in polls that conveniently only Republicans have access to), is merely them preparing justification for winning many of the swing states through voting machine fraud?

    I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but it seems like the only hope left for the Republicans is those voting machines and the supreme court.

    Please say it's not so.

    Peace and pencils and paper for voting.

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  • 80. At 09:30am on 28 Oct 2008, Rama76 wrote:

    Politics is a game of denial when all looks lost, MacCain has to spread the notion that it is tight just in order for shore up his base and get undecided voters to even consider him. I think this will be a huge loss for the Republicans though the college will be tighter at around 300-228. The Republicans have spent too long trying to please a narrow base within their party, the fact that we use 'conservatives' and 'republicans' interchangably proves my point. at some point the republicans began to depise intellect, personal freedoms, and had policies that prevented any lowering of federal taxes such as the Iraq and Afganistan wars.

    unfortunately the party will veer even further to the right with Palin touted as the 2012 runner. Painting Obama as a Muslim, Foreigner, and now as a communist smacks of MacCarthyism that belongs in the 50's. I am conservative with a small c in my own life but a liberal in society - that was called a libertarian once, but now it is a forgotten word, the L-word.

    hopefully the silent majority in the GOP will stand up to the rednecks in their midst and save the party.

    we're gonna have he first Hip-hop president, word to the mother

    fight the fear,

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  • 81. At 09:31am on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    Was the Senator Stevens verdict the October Surprise ?

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  • 82. At 09:38am on 28 Oct 2008, Drudge52 wrote:

    It does amuse me to see the hysterical lefties plying their trade of spin attack,spin attack.
    Sarah Palin`s clothes.etc etc
    She is not a multi millionaire like the other 3 candidates are you saying that excludes her from running for VP?
    She is not in the clique,one of the old boys and girls.
    Does that exclude her in your eyes?
    unlike Obama she can talk the talk as well as walk the walk.
    She has a history of doing what she says she will do.Executive experience.
    Talk is cheap but combined with action and doing what you say you will do is worth a million dollars.

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  • 83. At 09:39am on 28 Oct 2008, Talleyrand wrote:

    Maggie Thatcher on steroids?

    Heaven forbid.....

    I think whoever wrote that should clean their glasses and take the robocall earplugs out of their ears. Palin remains an embarrassing presence on the ticket.

    Three nights ago, when asked whether a person who bombed abortion clinics could be considered a domestic terrorist (on NBC), she did one of her coy "can't say" deals.

    MacCain is ultra disgraceful this year. If he wins, the USA is headed for a fast slide into irrelevance.

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  • 84. At 09:45am on 28 Oct 2008, U11846789 wrote:

    Hmmmm I wonder what members belonging to this "subterranean surge" look like. Do they actually live underground?

    -------

    They've sure got their heads in the ground!

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  • 85. At 09:45am on 28 Oct 2008, Drudge52 wrote:

    78
    What evidence do you have that official polling is liberal slanted?

    What evidence do you have that it is not?

    well let me give you one.
    The vast majority of the media in the US are liberal bias or slanted.

    unless of course you can spin out of that one.

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  • 86. At 09:45am on 28 Oct 2008, Jackturk wrote:

    Is it acceptable for George Bush to launch an attack on perceived enemies in a sovereign country, without the permission of that country, whilst condemming others for doing the same?

    Please don't give me the "we are right and they are wrong" answer.

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  • 87. At 09:54am on 28 Oct 2008, HarassedDad wrote:

    All McCain needs to do is stop people voting. The vast majority of folk will be at the polls on election day (early voting not with-standing). So faulty machines, running out of ballot papers, hacking electronic voting machines, "terrorist attacks" on queues at polling stations (just get someone to throw flour at a crowd and report it as "poison gas"), anything to stop folk from going to the polls. If all else fails get a few activists to start a riot. Just a few polling stations eliminated can win states, with McCain's campaigning and "underground surge" providing political cover.

    We're about to see the most blatent electoral fraud in history.

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  • 88. At 09:59am on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    # 85

    Could it just be the the media, having watched the two campaigns and studied the policies, have come to the conclusion about who would be the best president for the country ? You don't have to be a "liberal" to see the facts before your eyes.

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  • 89. At 10:02am on 28 Oct 2008, olafpalme wrote:

    Its just too wierd that people would feel `safer' with McCain. Everything about him suggests he is anything but steady. His military career isn't one of distinguished command. He broke every regulation he could and alienated people around him. So, he got shot down bombing a country that never threatened the US...... due condolences. But he wasn't the only one and after that, what? Seriously.... what is this big honourable characteristic of his that `qualifies' him to make us `safe'? He couldn't administer a lousy political campaign. Same in 2000 against a novice Vietnam-dodging `W' of all people. He even `scr##ed up' appearing on Letterman.
    Its a farce.
    And then there's Palin.

    I feel far safer with Obama. A black guy named Hussein defeating the Clintons and now the GOP without getting hot-headed? And far from being `socialist' , he's the man with at least some thought into his economic planning.

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  • 90. At 10:11am on 28 Oct 2008, At the end of the day...it gets dark wrote:

    #85

    'The vast majority of media in the US are liberal bias or slanted'.

    But the polls are compiled by polling companies, not 'the media', so your point is utterly irrelevant.

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  • 91. At 10:17am on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    82 Drudge:
    'hysterical lefties' please you are foaming at the mouth.
    'shes's not a multi millionaire like the other 3' - you mean like average joe 'I've only got 11 houses' John McCain
    what, not in the neo-con clique?
    you are tiresome, enjoy your fantasies, and take your pills, nurse!

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  • 92. At 10:18am on 28 Oct 2008, jalkblog wrote:

    Hi Justin, I think when Obama is operating with 78 field offices and McCain has around 10-12, the game is up. Elections are all about turning out the vote and McCain, by accepting public funding, just cannot compete - not in PA anyway.

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  • 93. At 10:26am on 28 Oct 2008, Talleyrand wrote:

    Drudge 52

    Wrong... They are slanted because the rightwingers don't like reading what is being reported. That is the slant. But the right wing in this country does not do self-reflection. They do "We are pure as driven snow and are always right" in lock- and goosestep. They used to make fun of the Democrats for arguing among themselves (they still do)...

    You see, it's like this. A man walks out to the village square naked and does his business in the village fountain and water supply. The newspaper reports it.

    If the man is a GOP president, the rightwing screams uncle and says they are misinterpreting it, this was actually the president reenacting an obscure biblical scene and saving the country from something far worse, so bad, in fact, it is classified.

    If the man is a GOP president, the rightwingers holler just as loud and invent the left-wing media again, saying "Even the left wing media reported it." ...

    When will the right wing finallly learn to take responsibility for its monstrous failures???

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  • 94. At 10:27am on 28 Oct 2008, SaintOne wrote:

    to # 86

    I think most people would agree that they crossed the line (pun intended) with the attack on Syria, although I'm rather cynical about the reports from the Syrian media. Despite America's sometimes poor aim, I'm pretty sure not every person killed was a civilian. Plus some of the witness reports seemed rather dubious. I'm not sure what worries me the most though, America's attack or Syria potentially exaggerating the event for political purposes.

    Either way, America were very naughty. If only someone could hold them accountable....

    p.s please excuse my cynicism

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  • 95. At 10:32am on 28 Oct 2008, Talleyrand wrote:

    #69,

    "She also 'firms up the base' of the GOP ticket ..."

    Do you realize what you just wrote, number 69?

    I rest my case while I roll on the floor laughing.

    Let me just add: Then why doesn't McCain look any happier? Maybe because Cindy is not letting him out of her sight....

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  • 96. At 10:36am on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    With regard to the polling: the last week the national polls roughly averaged out at about +7 for Obama. In the last couple of days that seems to have narrowed a bit to, I would say about +5. However state polling has if anything showed a slight movement to Obama. Ohio from being essentially tied has moved to about O +3, CL,NM and NV are about O +5. ND and MT are narrowing Obama, but statistically toss-ups. MO and FLA are toss-ups with perhaps a slight margin for O. PA and VA are, I think already in the tank for Obama at around +10 and +8 respectively. GA and AZ are about +5 for McCain but these should be safe for him, and they are moving in Obamas direction. Indiana is marginally McCain.
    If the McCain camp knows something that every other pollster does'n't know, well I just don't think it is true. They are bluffing.
    My current guess: Obama by 306 (no FLA, MO or IN) to 380.

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  • 97. At 10:40am on 28 Oct 2008, Mike Mullen wrote:

    "What evidence do you have that official polling is liberal slanted?

    What evidence do you have that it is not?

    well let me give you one.
    The vast majority of the media in the US are liberal bias or slanted.

    unless of course you can spin out of that one."

    To put it simply anything that doesn't agree 100% with you is part of the liberal media conspiracy right? Ditto any evidence that the polls are not all run by the same liberals? And any reply you don't like will be dismissed as 'spin'?
    The real Drudge would be proud of you...

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  • 98. At 10:45am on 28 Oct 2008, Jackturk wrote:

    No.94

    Your cynicism is the reason more than 1500 American and other troops and countless innocent Iraqi civilians are dead!

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  • 99. At 10:45am on 28 Oct 2008, SaintDominick wrote:

    Sen. McCain has no choice but to say that internal polling suggests a close race and that he is confident he will be the next POTUS. Obviously, every poll and all indications suggest that barring a major development the next few days Sen. Obama will win the election by a comfortable margin.

    The blame game that is already emerging from within McCain's campaign team indicates how precarious the situation is for them. In my opinion, the problem is not so much the fact that they have run a dismal campaign, or Gov. Palin, but the fact that people are worried about their future and, right or wrong, most blame Republican ideology for the fiscal, economic, industrial, and social problems we are having.

    I have relatives in Pennsylvania who plan to vote Democratic for the first time in their long lives. No matter how much the McCain campaign tries to spin blame and distance themselves from what has taken place the past 8 years, most Americans realize that a contributing factor to the problems that afflict us is Republican ideology and we believe that a change in direction - and leadership - are essential to preserve our way of life and our domestic security.

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  • 100. At 10:45am on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    Obama can win without FLA, OH, MO and IN.

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  • 101. At 10:47am on 28 Oct 2008, SaneYouth wrote:

    Justin....Don’t you feel sorry for the old man? After all he is pursuing a life long dream at 72. Knowing this is his last shot, I am sure it is disheartening for McCain to be labelled as “most distinguished” (in their words) but ultimately unqualified.

    What would he do if he lost next week?

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  • 102. At 10:50am on 28 Oct 2008, Talleyrand wrote:

    The one lesson McCain has learned well is to keep the level of bugaboo-fear up, even if it involves playing fast and easy with the truth. "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and hence clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." Words by HL Mencken from another era, but they ring true today.

    As for Bin Laden.... well, I suspect the Bush administration is trying hard to "kill" him before Nocvember 4th, which would explain why the USA has intensified its bombings in the Waziristan area, bombing Pakistan several times in the process and vastly damaging our tenuous ties to that country. This yria business is no doubt a part of the scheme. Did you noticce "unknown sources" saying some big wheel had been knocked out in Syria???
    Coooommmme on! How dumb can you get?

    I see two other possible scenarios: the first is OBL coming out with one of those great tapes full of nonsense that appears stolen from 1940s radio shows. The second scenario: some unsubstantiated reports of the death of OBL will begin around Thursday of this week, filtered through Fox News and some of the extreme-rightwing blogs, only to disappear around November 5th.


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  • 103. At 10:53am on 28 Oct 2008, SaintOne wrote:

    to # 98

    I'm not entirely sure that i'm directly responsible for the war on Iraq!? In fact, I was/am against the war. And I agree with you that America have gone too far with the attack in Syria. It reminds me of the film "Team America: World Police". Although having been to America on a few occaisions I am thankful that the arrogant, ignorant stereotype American is not all that common.

    Regardless, I think we have gone a bit of topic!

    Peace

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  • 104. At 10:55am on 28 Oct 2008, peterdough wrote:

    Justin,

    Don't forget to stand with your hand on your heart during the National Anthem!

    'The best folks in the world' take care of Obama's personal safety and the AFT is one of the best security agencies in the world from what I've heard.

    I hope that all the security services in the U.S. are working hard to protect that man.

    I also hope that such detestable little race hate groups, and other homicidal maniacs, do not become more prevalent.

    Biden would make a good President, but Obama would make and outstanding one, and America, along with the rest of the world, needs him.

    This has got a lot of people I know talking about Kennedy again. We just can't afford to have all our good people wasted by criminals for some screwed up agenda.

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  • 105. At 10:56am on 28 Oct 2008, Sankari wrote:

    Post #82; Drudge52 wrote: "She is not a multi millionaire like the other 3 candidates"

    No, but the combined wealth of Palin and her husband comes to a pretty sweet $1.2 million. This immediately places her far above the majority of Americans and into the realms of the rich elite.

    "are you saying that excludes her from running for VP"

    Of course not. Nobody is saying this. You've just made it up.

    What people are saying is that Palin's wealth and privilged lifestyle excludes her from being a member of the everyday "working class" America that she claims to be a part of.

    She is *not* working class; she has never been working class; she has never had to live like a working class person. She is in a privileged position with a husband on a very high salary from an international oil company.

    Yet she claims to be a regular "hockey mum", just like the folks she meets in the supermarket. But it's not true. It was never true. It's a con, and she's a phony.

    Palin is one of the elites. And she likes it that way.

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  • 106. At 11:05am on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    102: you are right. The McCain tactic is fear, feaar, fear. Fear of a democratic clean sweep, fear of someone 'not like us', fear of socialism, fear of a liberal conspiracy, fear of change. It is sad. It does have traction too, I just hope that it is not enough. Is this what the GOP really want, to be the party of fear? I guess they do not care as long as they win.
    I honestly used to like John McCain. He has sold his soul.

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  • 107. At 11:13am on 28 Oct 2008, ceedoubleu wrote:

    For all our sakes, I hope that Obama wins and changes the US attitude to the outside world. McCain and that appallingly stupid Palin would be a disaster, not just for the USA but probably the world.

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  • 108. At 11:13am on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    On a side issue: remember the criticism of Obama as a celebrity? What exactly is Palin?

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  • 109. At 11:13am on 28 Oct 2008, Candace9839 wrote:

    He would say that now wouldn't he? Fighting for the mantle of underdog and being cheered on in rural areas of Pennsylvania, far from the huge Obama crowds in major cities like Philadelphia. Every vote will count and the Obama campaign is fighting hard to get out the vote.

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  • 110. At 11:15am on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    So McCain/Palin 'drlll baby drill' will be free of the influence of big oil? lol

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  • 111. At 11:16am on 28 Oct 2008, Jackturk wrote:

    No.103

    I agree, there is a possibility of going off topic but my original question was very much on topic, given the right wing's propensity to pull stunts to boost their cause regardless of the consequences to others.

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  • 112. At 11:20am on 28 Oct 2008, SaintOne wrote:

    to # 111

    Who's cynical now :P

    Although I tihnk we are in agreement!

    Peace

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  • 113. At 11:25am on 28 Oct 2008, SaintDominick wrote:

    Ref 102

    "As for Bin Laden.... well, I suspect the Bush administration is trying hard to "kill" him before Nocvember 4th, which would explain why the USA has intensified its bombings in the Waziristan area..."

    There is a good chance that OBL was either killed or died of natural causes a long time ago. I would not be surprised if we learn that his "image" was kept alive by his supporters to guarantee recruitment and financial support to Al Qaeda, and by the Bush Administration to guarantee support and funding for the "war on terror" and for our indefinite presente in the Persian Gulf region.

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  • 114. At 11:26am on 28 Oct 2008, MarkW wrote:

    #69 DameM

    "She was wet behind the ears when she did the Couric interviews - but in the last 2 weeks she has been a superb spokesperson....Really sensational ad libs."

    All scripted.

    "McCain was pulling 7,000 at rallies. Palin now pulls 70,000. McCain had a 7 point lead after Palin took the VP position. She actually has more executive experience than Obama!"

    Palin has never had 70,000 at a rally. Obama had a crowd of 100,000 over the weekend.
    And, no, governing small-town Wasilla is not more experience. She went to five colleges before getting a job as a sports writer.
    Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School He was president of the Harvard Law Review He practised as a civil rights attorney. He served in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. He taught constitutional law.

    Would you rather have an eloquent educated person with seven years experience of the Senate or someone who couldn't mention a newspaper that they had read?

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  • 115. At 11:27am on 28 Oct 2008, SaneYouth wrote:

    #105

    'Palin is one of the elites. And she likes it that way'

    If that was the case, why does she sound the opposite? I don't know how you like your Governors, Senetors and Presidents over there but i am sure i am not the only one who thinks she is a bit of an airhead over here across the big pond.

    She just looks and sounds worng......i have tried to imagin her having a constructive chat about the state of the global economy and foreign policy, the war on terror and about the peace talks in the Middle East with the likes of Blair, Brown, William Hague....i just don't seem to picture her right.

    Even though it is my personal opinion, i don't think she is what the american political scene has been lacking for years, she isn't (once again in my opinion) what most Americans would like thier politicians to look or sound like. Deep down, McCain knows what kind of disastrous error he has made by selecting her as his VP candidate.

    Since the Obama precidency is looking some what a done deal, i feel sorry for those of you involved in the US politica scene who have have to bear with her for another 4 or 8 years.

    After all, it is the irrisponsible judgement of the most 'Mavrick' statesman the GOP has ever put forward for the Presidency that brought this unelite, uninformed, unqualified and most of all unfit politician to a national prominance.

    I dont blame any GOP candiate running for congress for trying to distance themselves from MaCain.

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  • 116. At 11:31am on 28 Oct 2008, icetayoa wrote:

    This is the latest release from Zogby and it shows that the race is still very close. Mind you, Mcain's lead among white voters is significant because whites make up more than 50% of the population in America, whilst blacks and hispanics make up close to 30%.


    Released: October 28, 2008

    Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama Under 50%, as McCain Holds Steady

    Obama 49.0%, McCain 44.7%


    UTICA, New York – The race for President of the United States continued to tighten, as both Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain lost ground in a contest that is now a four–point game, the latest Reuters/C–SPAN/Zogby daily tracking telephone poll shows.

    Obama lost 0.9 points and now stands at 49.0% in the tracking poll, while McCain lost 0.4 points and now stands at 44.7% support in a head–to–head match–up. Another 6.3% said they were undecided, up from 4.9% the day before.

    McCain wins 87% of the Republican support, and Obama 84% of the Democratic support, and each candidate wins 11% of the opposing party’s support. Obama continues to lead among independent voters – his advantage now stands at 16 points, 51% to 35%.

    McCain leads among men, 48% to 45%, while Obama leads among women by a larger 53% to 42% margin. Among white voters, McCain leads by a 53% to 41% margin. Among Hispanics, Obama leads, 66% to 28%, and among African Americans, Obama wins 88% to McCain’s 9%

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  • 117. At 11:31am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    sorry i have been away for the last few hours.

    So,

    I wrote (#78):
    "What evidence do you have that official polling is liberal slanted?"

    Drudge replied:
    "What evidence do you have that it is not?

    well let me give you one.
    The vast majority of the media in the US are liberal bias or slanted.

    unless of course you can spin out of that one."

    ----

    What do the pollsters have to gain by putting Obama ahead in the polls if their survey suggests McCain is going to win the election? It just makes them look like an inaccurate, meaningless source. you say that the "VAST MAJORITY" of media are liverlal bias or slanted, so then why do ALL the polls give Obama the lead? Sounds like you're in denial to me...

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  • 118. At 11:32am on 28 Oct 2008, Jackturk wrote:

    No.112

    The difference is that my cynicism wasn't trying to justify slaughter.

    Peace

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  • 119. At 11:32am on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    # 113 ~ Domenick

    I think that you are on the money there.

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  • 120. At 11:33am on 28 Oct 2008, GlobalTemplar wrote:

    Neil Kinnock thought he had it in the bag here in the Uk right up to the moment the Tories won!
    Obama is pure silk, but the Us people might pause as they place their mark, and McCain can still win because unlike the British who were fooled by Blair the US people do not like taxes and the fear of wealth being taken from them by Obama to give to those who simply cannot be bothered to work or earn will run very deep.
    The US might want change, but they simply cannot afford Obama and his policies, 8yrs of him and the world will be left to China and Russia, so perhaps someone might notice this before the election deadline?

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  • 121. At 11:34am on 28 Oct 2008, MarkW wrote:

    Justin, do you think that McCain will be left with the legacy of running a nasty campaign when he promised the opposite after he was smeared by the Bush people (especially the push-polls)?

    It's rather laughable to see many right wing pundits (such as Ken Adleman) jumping ship.
    It's nice to see Canadian Charles Krauthammer going down with the McCain/Palin ship.

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  • 122. At 11:35am on 28 Oct 2008, rl wrote:

    and yes Knevovitch is right, polls are not the media but i get where you're coming from.

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  • 123. At 11:38am on 28 Oct 2008, fearlessbritabroad wrote:

    #18

    Interesting read and if proven to be true, and Obama loses the election I forsee a lot of civil unrest on the streets of the USA - and quite justified too IMO.

    Obama is absolutely miles ahead in every poll (apart from McLame's internals) and there must be serious questions asked if he fails to take the White House. The Republican Election machine is the most negative and divisive I have seen in action in any election in a democratic nation. Shame on them.

    Surely the people of the US of A will not make the same mistake they made 4 years ago? Surely the Republican time has ended? Surely the people of America want to restore pride and integrity to their nation? Surely?

    God help us if they don't.

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  • 124. At 11:39am on 28 Oct 2008, Pansceptic wrote:

    Public polls can err and have erred; but since when have claims about private polls been worth a button? I can remember far too many private-poll-based boasts by trailing parties of coming victory followed by humiliating defeats; they should simply be dismissed as attempts to create momentum where there is none.

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  • 125. At 11:44am on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    The ghost in the machine?Caveat Voter!

    Peace and paper trails
    ed

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  • 126. At 11:46am on 28 Oct 2008, Xie_Ming wrote:

    Another way to consider the attack on Syria and the excuse of "collateral casulties":


    There is a terrorist in New York City. If we nuke NYC, then we will probably kill the terrorist.

    Do we go for it?

    Keep reducing the size of the area attacked.

    At what point does your reasoning change?

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  • 127. At 11:48am on 28 Oct 2008, Candace9839 wrote:

    Gratuitous bit of Michelle Obama late night coverage for Smitten Sam
    Keeping it real with J Crew online

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  • 128. At 11:49am on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    # 116 - The McCain Press Release

    These particular polling figures were taken before the Republican senator from Alaska was found guilty of corruption - and then lying about it.

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  • 129. At 11:51am on 28 Oct 2008, Drudge52 wrote:

    At 11:26am on 28 Oct 2008, Irish_Mark wrote:

    And, no, governing small-town Wasilla is not more experience. She went to five colleges before getting a job as a sports writer.
    Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School He was president of the Harvard Law Review He practised as a civil rights attorney. He served in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. He taught constitutional law.

    Would you rather have an eloquent educated person with seven years experience of the Senate

    My My, elitism rears it`s ugly head again.
    What is Obama going to do to help the poor,by giving handouts with tax credits?
    People want real jobs, not handouts.
    We don`t want a nanny state in the US thank you.


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  • 130. At 11:55am on 28 Oct 2008, MostonHead wrote:

    Funny to hear that the news here is shocked that race could play a part in the elections, but the truth is that the US has got this far, but the UK has not advanced far enough for there to be a non white candidate for prime minister, the outrage would make the BNP a force to be reckoned with!

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  • 131. At 11:59am on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Nice one, Cyril! (31)

    Yes we can!

    Peace and HOPE
    ed

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  • 132. At 12:03pm on 28 Oct 2008, Drudge52 wrote:

    hainesoides wrote:
    What do the pollsters have to gain by putting Obama ahead in the polls if their survey suggests McCain is going to win the election? It just makes them look like an inaccurate, meaningless source. you say that the "VAST MAJORITY" of media are liverlal bias or slanted, so then why do ALL the polls give Obama the lead? Sounds like you're in denial to me...

    Personally I do not like opinion polls.
    Opinion polls can influence an election by discouraging voting.
    First of all it may not help the guy who is polled in the lead because complacency may take place.
    Secondly,it can discourage those voters who`s man is perceived behind in the polls from voting because they believe it is not worth it.
    Thirdly opinion polls are used by both sides to spin whatever they can get out of it.

    At the end of the day it should be left to the Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates to have their say then let the people decide without all the polls ,spin merchants and all the other rubbish the pundits put out.

    But of course that will never happen

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  • 133. At 12:04pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Ms Marbles (37),

    "as of about half an hour ago, McCain was given a 12.1 per cent chance of winning. ...
    Does anyone know if betting odds are more reliable than polls?"
    Working from poll data, Fivethirtyeight gives McCain 3.3% chance of winning....

    Peace and statistical analysis
    ed

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  • 134. At 12:12pm on 28 Oct 2008, Sankari wrote:

    Post #115; SaneYouth wrote: "'Palin is one of the elites. And she likes it that way'

    If that was the case, why does she sound the opposite?"

    I thought this was obvious: it's because she's an uneducated simpleton.

    After all, you can be elite without having brains; socio-economic superiority does not guarantee intellectual superiority. Palin's just a typical case of nouveau riche crassness.

    " I don't know how you like your Governors, Senetors and Presidents over there but i am sure i am not the only one who thinks she is a bit of an airhead over here across the big pond."

    I am not "over there"; I'm an Australian living in the UK. And I wouldn't vote McCain/Palin if you paid me for it.

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  • 135. At 12:16pm on 28 Oct 2008, Drudge52 wrote:

    fearlessbritabroad wrote:
    Interesting read and if proven to be true, and Obama loses the election I forsee a lot of civil unrest on the streets of the USA - and quite justified too IMO.

    And now comes the scaremongering spin.
    This election campaign has always been about the issues facing the US today and how we go forward.
    There are two opposite ideas how do do that.
    Some issues the candidates do agree on and when either of the candidates have been elected and the dust has settled,Americans will rally around the new President.
    Remember how the democratic primary season was so divisive.
    The election campaign as never been about race except a tiny minority.

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  • 136. At 12:17pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Hainesoides (44),

    " So 12.1% odds [8 to 1] is probably more like a 15%-20% chance of it happening (if that makes sense)."
    Actually, it doesn't. It indicates a probability LESS than 12.1% (say, 10 to 1 (9%)) to give the bookie a margin....

    Peace and mathematics
    ed

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  • 137. At 12:18pm on 28 Oct 2008, fearlessbritabroad wrote:

    #129
    "We don`t want a nanny state in the US thank you."

    How about a state that is fair to ALL?

    How about a state that is richer because it helps those in need?

    How about a country that works to bring its people together?

    How about a country that is respected by the rest of the world?

    Who's President is seen as someone who will listen to ALL sides of the argument before making a decision?

    Who's VP isn't an empty airhead waiting to fill the shoes of an old man not in the best of health?

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  • 138. At 12:20pm on 28 Oct 2008, Candace9839 wrote:

    GOP apparently drawing internal battlelines around Palin
    GOP civil war

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  • 139. At 12:22pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Ruiracel (47),

    "Do 45% of US citizens not see thorugh this fog? "

    "Like a man travelling in foggy weather,
    those at some distance before him on the road he sees wrapped up in the fog,
    as well as those behind him, and also the people in the fields on each side,
    but near him all appears clear,
    though in truth he is as much in the fog as any of them"

    - Ben Franklin

    Peace and Poor Richard
    ed

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  • 140. At 12:26pm on 28 Oct 2008, Belmons wrote:

    85. At 09:45am on 28 Oct 2008, Drudge52 wrote:

    78
    What evidence do you have that official polling is liberal slanted?

    What evidence do you have that it is not?

    You appear to be ignorant of the most basic tenet of argument which is: If you make an accusation, then the onus of proof is on you, not on the other person to prove you wrong.

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  • 141. At 12:30pm on 28 Oct 2008, SaintOne wrote:

    To # 118

    Re-read my post, I certainly wasn't approving let alone justifying America's fumble in Syria. I just suspect there has been a bit of spin on the story from the media. There is a difference. I do not think America went blindly in and all they have to show for it are dead civilians.

    I just hope that the tragic events in Syria really focus people's attention on the gung-ho attitude that many people perceive America to have. Hopefully the next administartion won't be so careless or disrespectful.

    Peace

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  • 142. At 12:35pm on 28 Oct 2008, canukqc wrote:

    How many subterranean electoral college votes will win him victory? Are they like super-delegates?

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  • 143. At 12:38pm on 28 Oct 2008, camdenmac wrote:

    #135

    "....and the dust is settled, Americans will rally around the new president" - Drudge52

    Do you really believe this? The 2000 and 2004 elections were the most divisive elections that I have lived through and I firmly believe that a large minority of the country has never rallied around President Bush.

    This election has seemed equally divisive (I will leave it to the reader to determine which side you feel has been more so). Do you really think that the Republican base would rally around a Present Obama or that the Democratic base would around a President McCain?

    It seems a bit optimistic after the mean spirited campaign.

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  • 144. At 12:45pm on 28 Oct 2008, Drudge52 wrote:

    Fearlessbritabroad said

    How about a state that is fair to ALL?

    How about a state that is richer because it helps those in need?

    How about a country that works to bring its people together?

    How about a country that is respected by the rest of the world?

    Who's President is seen as someone who will listen to ALL sides of the argument before making a decision?

    Yes we certainly agree on your first 5 points because John McCain will ensure all those things happen during is term of office


    As for the VP she is a maverick just like McCain who will help him to clean up Washington.

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  • 145. At 12:46pm on 28 Oct 2008, fearlessbritabroad wrote:

    #135

    "and the dust has settled,Americans will rally around the new President."

    That might have held to be true in past elections, but this time there is an overwhelming need for change, and not just from the American public. The wider world is looking to America to elect Obama. I can't think if one US friendly nation that would want McLame and Bimbo occupying the White House.

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  • 146. At 12:51pm on 28 Oct 2008, SaintDominick wrote:

    Ref 132

    "Personally I do not like opinion polls."

    I don't either, for the same reasons you cite on your post, but they have been fairly accurate the past few elections.

    What I hate the most is the fact that we only have two viable political parties (I wish we had a party that represents the Center), the length of the presidential campaigns, the amount of money spent in advertising distorted opinions and character assassination, the influence of special interests, and the focus on negativism that dominates the agenda of both parties.

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  • 147. At 12:51pm on 28 Oct 2008, forkwitt wrote:

    Having watched the election campaigns from the outside (I live in Ireland) it has struck me that there is a difference in attitudes to the presidency from both candidates.

    I get the feeling one candidate feels that the country owes him the presidency, and the other owes his presidency to the country.

    It seems to me John McCain, for his heroic war-time service to his country and comrades, feels his is owed something, like he deserves it.

    Barack Obama, on the other hand, as he says himself his story could only be true in America, feels like he owes it to America to be a good president.

    Am I off base here?


    Also, if Obama does win this election, I hope it'll be the end of Identity Politics. i.e. like being a hockey-mom or a joe-six-pack is somehow enough to be elected.

    I despise the notion that political value is attached to being a certain kind of person.

    Surely what some can do is more important than what they are.

    Ray.


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  • 148. At 12:56pm on 28 Oct 2008, possumpam wrote:

    No.4
    Obvious the attack on Syria was part of the Politics of Fear game played so well by the Bush Govt. Probably we will see more of the
    same between now and the Election. We can only hope that the GOP's frantic efforts to hold on to Power don't spark off World War 3.


    Pam, London

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  • 149. At 12:58pm on 28 Oct 2008, DisgustedOfMitcham2 wrote:

    Well, maybe he's bluffing, but maybe he's just confident that the electronic voting machines will "lose" enough Democrat votes (along with voter list purging and all that) to swing it for him.

    I genuinely don't know whether all this talk of electoral fraud is just a crazy conspiracy theory or whether there is something worryingly true about it.

    Justin, if you're reading this, how about a blog on whether we can trust the election to be free and fair? From what I've read in some places, it's something I really don't feel we can take for granted.

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  • 150. At 1:04pm on 28 Oct 2008, Jackturk wrote:

    No.141

    The problem is that your comment "Naughty America...." sounded more sarcastic than cynical.

    Peace

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  • 151. At 1:05pm on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    Check this out .... how to get the result you want in opinion polls.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yhN1IDLQjo&feature=related


    For the non-British "Yes Prime Minister" was a political comedy/reality show from the early 1980s. In took no political line, but the jokes are just as valid today as then.

    Peace

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  • 152. At 1:11pm on 28 Oct 2008, DougTexan wrote:

    25. At 02:45am on 28 Oct 2008, OldSouth wrote:

    ... Are they bluffing, hard to say..

    I just remembered that part from way up there. South, I agree with your post, hard to say. Alot of information not friendly to Obama is miraculously showing out, and by Friday this week there may be some early voting remorse.

    McCains point of an, "Obama, Pelosi, Reid", run of the Government is hard for alot, not all, but alot of those positioned to answer polls.

    On the Polls, look into the figures used and the breakdown of D vs R respondents, when 43% are D and 29% are R and the rest independant or unkwn., you will have a 13 point lead for Obama, the surprise in those numbers is it isn't higher.

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  • 153. At 1:15pm on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    #134 Sankari wrote:
    "Post #115; SaneYouth wrote: "'Palin is one of the elites. And she likes it that way'

    If that was the case, why does she sound the opposite?"
    I thought this was obvious: it's because she's an uneducated simpleton. "


    The definition of "elite" is "A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, OR economic status" (thefreedictionary.com)

    The key word is "OR".
    The republicans have reinterpreted the word elite to mean "liberal intellectual elite". This is smoke and mirrors. George W Bush is unquestionably a member of the elite, yet he too sounds folksy.

    Sarah Palin is certainly a member of the elite, based on economic and social status.... although not intellect. If you have the other 2, then intellect is not needed, as we are seeing.



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  • 154. At 1:18pm on 28 Oct 2008, Mike Mullen wrote:

    #116 Icetayoa:

    "Obama lost 0.9 points and now stands at 49.0% in the tracking poll, while McCain lost 0.4 points and now stands at 44.7% support in a head?to?head match?up. Another 6.3% said they were undecided, up from 4.9% the day before."

    Three things to consider:
    1. Zogby has a 2% margin of error, so these movements could just be random variation.
    2. The overall polling trend yesterday, when Zogby also showed the race tightening, was essentially flat, all the variations basically cancelled one another out.
    3. Zogby's likely voter model excludes those who haven't voted before, a bit of a gamble this time round perhaps?

    You can get a clearer picture of the polling trends at Real Clear Politics or fivethirtyeight.com

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  • 155. At 1:21pm on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    #144 drudge wrote
    "As for the VP she is a maverick just like McCain who will help him to clean up Washington."


    All this talk of "Maverick" makes me think of Top Gun. If Sarah Palin is now the "Mav", then let's hope life does not imitate art ..... remember what happened to Goose!

    Peace

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  • 156. At 1:22pm on 28 Oct 2008, fearlessbritabroad wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 157. At 1:23pm on 28 Oct 2008, icetayoa wrote:

    I saw this peice on ABC and i think Justin should read it, sit back and reflect on the content.

    Media's Presidential Bias and Decline
    Columnist Michael Malone Looks at Slanted Election Coverage and the Reasons Why
    Column By MICHAEL S. MALONE
    Oct. 24, 2008

    The traditional media are playing a very, very dangerous game -- with their readers, with the Constitution and with their own fates.


    The media have covered this presidential campaign with a bias and that ultimately could lead to its downfall.
    The sheer bias in the print and television coverage of this election campaign is not just bewildering, but appalling. And over the last few months I've found myself slowly moving from shaking my head at the obvious one-sided reporting, to actually shouting at the screen of my television and my laptop computer.

    But worst of all, for the last couple weeks, I've begun -- for the first time in my adult life to be embarrassed to admit what I do for a living. A few days ago, when asked by a new acquaintance what I did for a living, I replied that I was "a writer," because I couldn't bring myself to admit to a stranger that I'm a journalist.

    You need to understand how painful this is for me. I am one of those people who truly bleeds ink when I'm cut. I am a fourth-generation newspaperman. As family history tells it, my great-grandfather was a newspaper editor in Abilene, Kan., during the last of the cowboy days, then moved to Oregon to help start the Oregon Journal (now the Oregonian).

    and when I knew her, scary grandmother was one of the first women reporters for the Los Angeles Times. And my father, though profoundly dyslexic, followed a long career in intelligence to finish his life (thanks to word processors and spellcheckers) as a very successful freelance writer. I've spent 30 years in every part of journalism, from beat reporter to magazine editor. And my oldest son, following in the family business, so to speak, earned his first national byline before he earned his drivers license.

    So, when I say I'm deeply ashamed right now to be called a "journalist," you can imagine just how deep that cuts into my soul.


    Now, of course, there's always been bias in the media. Human beings are biased, so the work they do, including reporting, is inevitably colored. Hell, I can show you 10 different ways to color variations of the word "said" muttered, shouted, announced, reluctantly replied, responded, etc. to influence the way a reader will apprehend exactly the same quote. We all learn that in Reporting 101, or at least in the first few weeks working in a newsroom.

    But what we are also supposed to learn during that same apprenticeship is to recognize the dangerous power of that technique, and many others, and develop built-in alarms against them.

    But even more important, we are also supposed to be taught that even though there is no such thing as pure, Platonic objectivity in reporting, we are to spend our careers struggling to approach that ideal as closely as possible.

    That means constantly challenging our own prejudices, systematically presenting opposing views and never, ever burying stories that contradict our own world views or challenge people or institutions we admire. If we can't achieve Olympian detachment, than at least we can recognize human frailty -- especially in ourselves.

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  • 158. At 1:25pm on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    With all this talk of dodgy voting machines and so on, I am reminded of an article in the Onion after the 2000 election debacle ..... they suggesting sending Kosovar peace-keepers into Florida while the recounts and supreme court deliberations were on-going.

    Is it time to pre-empt the problems by simply calling the UN oversight team?

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  • 159. At 1:26pm on 28 Oct 2008, john-In-Dublin wrote:

    # 45 BeebLeeMoore wrote:

    "He's still overwhelmingly likely to lose, and lose big, but why would anyone expect him to give up ? Him of all people ?"

    Clearly no one expects him to say the race is over till it's over.

    In fact as I recall there was a lot of controversy in '80 when Carter conceded on election day even before polling was finished on the West coast. Some Dems felt that it would discourage Dem voters from coming out, which would affect other Dem candidates [for the Senate etc].

    Having said that, I mentioned previously that there were 2 Reps on Newsnight last night. One said that in 96, when Bob Dole realised he wouldn't win, he campaigned in states he knew he wouldn't win, but where his campaigning would help a GOP Senatorial candidate. He was suggesting McCain might do the same. While McCain may not do that, I've certainly read that some Republicans are saying the party should shepherd its resources eg spend less on McCain and more on Senate races.

    And on the general isue of polls - they have been wrong. Sometimes because of a last minute surge, sometimes because of bad polling, sometimes because people just plain lie to pollsters. [It's been argued that that's what happened in the UK in 92.]

    Having said that, I think there's a reason people can point to times when the polls were wrong. The reason is - it's relatively rare.

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  • 160. At 1:27pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    What would "tightening" look like?

    "John McCain polling within 2 points in 2 or more non-partisan polls (sorry, Strategic Vision) in at least 2 out of the 3 following states: Colorado, Virginia, Pennsylvania."
    Peace and loose talk
    ed

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  • 161. At 1:29pm on 28 Oct 2008, DougTexan wrote:

    So it goes, as usual here. The true complexities of the situation involving a 'redistribution' of wealth, fairly and advisably where it would do the most good, is comical if it weren't so serious.

    In the past twenty years the education system of the united states has fallen horribly in the venues of the poor areas in cities and in rural areas as well. Heck, the stories (factual and fiction) of those graduating High School and can't read at an eight grade level, or poorly to say the least.

    In construction and signs, I've had applicants that can not read a ruler other than in half inch increments,.. seriously, and the math for a radius, circle or volume is so far from comprehension, they leave before finishing the application.

    Ask about a kilo, ounce or dime bag, rock poit or fix and the ammount they know is amazing. Ask of rap songs/writers, know them all, ask of classic novels, great thinkers or polititions, not a one. many say the fault lies in culture, and they may be right. But that culture leaves alot wanting in the mix of redistribution.

    I have a son that lives in Dallas city limits, and the story on the rebate/stimulus check was a boon for drug culture (stimulus,..chuckle) and video/music stores. Some redistribution there, possibly if we gave them many thousands of dollars the overdoses alone would overload the medical/emergency services system.

    The premise of giving money to those incapable of handling thier own lives as a form of fairness is absurd. These people are better served leaving the money with those that have the ability to make it, hire others and be responsible to feed thier families

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  • 162. At 1:31pm on 28 Oct 2008, john-In-Dublin wrote:

    # 146 DominickVila wrote:

    "What I hate the most is the fact that we only have two viable political parties"

    On a mildly whimsical note, there's a story - it may be apocryphal - I think it was supposed to be in some eg Council election in San Francisco.

    According to the story, one of the candidates changed his name by Deed Poll to 'None Of The Above'.

    And won.

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  • 163. At 1:31pm on 28 Oct 2008, RedWhiteandermblue wrote:

    "What evidence do you have that official polling is liberal slanted?

    What evidence do you have that it is not?"

    This is a splendid opportunity to go through the polling data vs. election results and see what trends can be spotted. I would be grateful if you could gather evidence, marshall it and teach me something.

    Personally, knowing little about the subject, but having had a brother who worked for a polling company, I would say that these organizations, shockingly, are mainly concerned with themselves. That being the case, they're interested in making their polls as accurate as possible, in order to increase their prestige, and, ultimately, their profits.

    But what do I know? Maybe it's all part of a vast left or right wing conspiracy. Though even if it was, the idea that saying one candidate is doing better than he actually is is of very questionable value in helping him get elected.

    If it were not, you would probably not see what is happening now, which is that both the McCain and Obama camps are saying the race is closer than it seems to be.

    The only really likely outcome of a poll or polls cooking the numbers would be that after the election, people would say, well, that was a crap poll, and tend to ignore it in the future.


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  • 164. At 1:35pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    RomeStu (151)

    Brilliant!

    Peace and misdirection!
    ed

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  • 165. At 1:36pm on 28 Oct 2008, john-In-Dublin wrote:

    # 57 ladycm wrote:

    "One other thing that is way off topic; I guess you cannot use punctuation here. It looks like I am obsessed with question marks, but I am not."

    Maybe 'off topic' but still a v practical point.

    It appears that for some weird techie reason that escapes me, certain punctuation symbols get 'changed' into question marks here, eg if you've typed your posting in Word - which I'd much prefer to do, as it makes it easier to spell check. I think for some reason apostropes pose a special problem - possibly brackets as well. It can even happen if you 'copy and paste' text from another site.

    Any candidate that can solve this problem gets my vote!

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  • 166. At 1:38pm on 28 Oct 2008, olgeezerfromVa wrote:

    McCain will not win in Virginia, no way. There have been far to many gaffes by his campaign here for him to pull it off, his brother refers to northern Va., as communist country, his VP,(gag), refers to the folks from Appalachia as real Americans, as opposed to the rest of the Commonwealth, I guess we just are not real Americans to her. I try to look at the polls as what they are, a finger on the pulse, Drudge, well what do you expect, very right wing. Remember folks, if McCain wins, the entire world deals with him and his air head Vp for at least four years, do you really like war, do you really like broken economies, all I hear from them is Fight, fight, fight, Joe the plumber, I'm a Maverick, he's a socialist/communist/terrorist/fill in the blank. I do not believe that Obama or the other 49% of our representatives / Dems are outside of the law. It seems that McCain and his cronies are of the belief that if you are not with them, then you are un- american, MALARKY...to call a United States Senator a communist borders on treason, and shoud be investigated. (McCarthyism)Has anyone on this site actually looked into Palins "real" background, scary as hell I tell you. She could care less who is hurt in the fray, including her poor little son, who she drags from rally to rally, surely there is someone who can care for this child while she flits about spewing venom and lies. Feel free to visit the following blog site, www.mudflats.com, by Alaskans , for Alaskans, she is into the muck right up to her cute little nose. November 4th can not come soon enough. Thank you for allowing me to vent this morning, it at least allows me to clear me head before I start my day.
    Obama / Biden 08

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  • 167. At 1:39pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 168. At 1:40pm on 28 Oct 2008, dmoorman wrote:

    Standard operating procedure for losing campaigns!

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  • 169. At 1:41pm on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    Palin in Iowa:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF5ZkgNNBQE

    Less rabid but all the more insidious for that. Obama will do what they do in countries which are not free. Which countries exactly?

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  • 170. At 1:45pm on 28 Oct 2008, SaintOne wrote:

    To # 150

    It wasn't sarcastic, neither was the fact that no one will hold them accountable. I just choose to be rather light-hearted in my statement so not to overly offend/stereotype/start arguements about something that was slightly off-topic.

    It would appear I failed :(

    Peace

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  • 171. At 1:47pm on 28 Oct 2008, DougTexan wrote:

    145. At 12:46pm on 28 Oct 2008, fearlessbritabroad wrote

    "...and not just from the American public. The wider world is looking to America to elect Obama. I can't think if one US friendly nation that would want McLame and Bimbo occupying the White House."


    That would have been a comment with value except when I see the 'base level' of your intelligence, your 'class' displayed for all to see in McLame and Bimbo. What I have seen here more and more often, is the education system of England also has fallen prey to teaching down.

    To the point, I liked Tony Blair as your PM, he had flair and a backbone. To that end, I find Gorden Brown,.. bland,.. and I doubt one 'Brit' or Brown would give a hoot what I care, who I like or what I think.

    namaste.... every breath

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  • 172. At 1:51pm on 28 Oct 2008, john-In-Dublin wrote:

    # 130 MostonHead wrote:

    "Funny to hear that the news here is shocked that race could play a part in the elections, but the truth is that the US has got this far, but the UK has not advanced far enough for there to be a non white candidate for prime minister, the outrage would make the BNP a force to be reckoned with!"

    Do you have any evidence for this? Polls etc?

    I visit the UK a lot - I was born there. There aren't that many racial minority candidates in politics - especially at the higher levels. But I don't see the evidence that the UK wouldn't accept a non-white candidate for PM, if they were the right person for the job.[If Obama loses, I think he'd do v well in the UK!]

    I can't prove it - but for example, even though it's not strictly comparable, Sir Trevor McDonald is the UK's favourite and most trusted TV journalist - and as far as I can see 'minorities' are if anything over-represented in TV news and current affairs in relation to their proportion of the population. [NB that's just a subjective opinion and in no way a complaint - I'm sure they all got where they are on merit - I just think it throws severe doubt on the view that the UK is profoundly racist.]

    It's also worth pointing out that in a parliamentary system like the UK's I would say it's rather harder for a relatively inexperienced 'novice' such as Obama to rise to the top. Having said that, Cameron is pretty much an inexperienced novice - indeed, like Obama, I'm pretty sure he was the most inexperienced candidate when he ran to be Leader of the Conservative Party

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  • 173. At 1:51pm on 28 Oct 2008, DougTexan wrote:

    157. At 1:23pm on 28 Oct 2008, icetayoa wrote;

    Loved that piece, could you link to it? I see if I can find but as you already have........

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  • 174. At 1:51pm on 28 Oct 2008, jacksforge wrote:

    2 majik Yes, that would be the honourable thing but I guess he has none anyway.

    he has promoted racism with his recent ignoring and refusale to tell the racists to stop.




    17. maybe it was not deliberate, maybe the army was getting one in before a different cantidate got elected.
    but equally there has been a few years to find and attack targets in Syria and they did not WHY NOW?

    to all the economic rubbish should be left till after the elections.
    sounds like there are some who want to get bailed out before the house senate and president change,maybe.



    As to the There will be pinkos everywhere. I doubt it Doug as an example expressed the idea that he may vote for Obama and RNC on the local tickets.

    I suspect that will translate to others to.

    Nice ploy by Mc Crying game

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  • 175. At 1:54pm on 28 Oct 2008, Sankari wrote:

    Post #157; icetayoa wrote: "I saw this peice on ABC and i think Justin should read it, sit back and reflect on the content".

    It's a great article on one level, but he's not telling us anything we don't already know. And he doesn't provide specific examples of US media bias in the context of the election, so what are we supposed to take away from this?

    "The media is biased!"

    Yeah, we knew already.

    "Journalists need to be more objective!"

    Yeah, we knew that too.

    What's his point?

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  • 176. At 1:56pm on 28 Oct 2008, john-In-Dublin wrote:

    # 155 RomeStu wrote:

    [of Palin]

    "All this talk of "Maverick" makes me think of Top Gun. "

    Well, if you're talking films, why not Maverick?

    I'm not quite old enough to remember the TV series - but as I recall, in the film the Maverick was a charming, deceitful gambler.....

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  • 177. At 1:56pm on 28 Oct 2008, DougTexan wrote:

    Ice, got it, thanks anyway.


    http://abcnews.go.com/ In the search engine put Michael Malone

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  • 178. At 1:57pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    The lesson of Enron is, sadly, that there are no lessons.

    "Less than seven years ago, federal prosecutors began pouncing on the fallen energy company, eventually convicting 22 employees. When Chairman Kenneth Lay and Chief Executive Jeffrey Skilling were finally convicted in May 2006, House Financial Services Committee member Michael Oxley crowed that "justice has been served" and that the "entire debacle" had reinforced executives' duties to public corporations.

    Today's financial crisis has shown what a real debacle looks like. And it has made clear that executives' duties to public companies have, if anything, been loosened, not reinforced. What is worse, the post-Enron crackdown appears not only to have failed to stop flagrant corporate risk-taking, but to have lulled Washington to sleep."
    Caveat voters!

    Peace and (eternal internal) vigilance
    ed

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  • 179. At 1:58pm on 28 Oct 2008, jacksforge wrote:

    18. At 02:16am on 28 Oct 2008, britinportland wrote:
    Warning: crazy paranoid theory imminent...

    What if this talk of 'closing the gap' (in polls that conveniently only Republicans have access to), is merely them preparing justification for winning many of the swing states through voting machine fraud?

    Read this. It's scary.
    -------------------------------------------------------
    I agree the acorn Distraction when The GOP owned companies are making the machines.

    Mc crying shame has been speaking with that either delusional or secretly confident tone that suggests he is either mad or in control of the voting machines.

    Portland OR?

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  • 180. At 1:59pm on 28 Oct 2008, RedWhiteandermblue wrote:

    Meanwhile, the real news is that Sarah Palin, amazingly, is now only the second most disgraceful of Alaska's three most prominent leaders.

    Can anyone in the lower 48 seriously oppose any longer the goals of the Alaska Independence Party? Palin's husband becoming President-for-Life of the Great White North would make Palin seem even more the voice of reason and moderation, perhaps helping the Republican ticket.

    Failing this, I wonder how much money we'd have to pay Russia to take Alaska back?

    Or perhaps it's not the place that's the problem, it's the people. My hometown, the Queen City of Appalachia, has lost roughly the population of Alaska in the last fifty years. Maybe they should be made to move here. It would limit their damage (even though I'd have to move myself).

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  • 181. At 2:05pm on 28 Oct 2008, jon112uk wrote:

    I think I will wait to see the result of the actual election.

    I can still remember waking up one morning to hear Al Gore was the new president.

    What people say in a poll is one thing, how they vote and (perhaps more important) IF they vote is another thing.

    I hope you'll excuse me wanting the real result before coming to conclusions.

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  • 182. At 2:06pm on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    Following up my last post (169). Palin sneers at 'government taking care of us', hmmmm, does that mean she thinks we should have left the people of New Orleans to sort their own mess out after Katrina. Does'n't that qualify as socialism?
    The mind boggles. Btw, those countries she refers to which 'are not free'. I don't suppose she has visited any of them has she?

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  • 183. At 2:13pm on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    Some eejit - Drudge actually - wrote at 144 that the Maverick Palin will help McCain clean up Washington.

    Just like she helped Senator Stevens clean up Alaskan politics ? Oh boy !

    There are two meanings to the two words "clean up". One meaning depicts "cleansing". The other has a more venal meaning owing more to Gordon Gekko than to hygiene.

    One thing that the people of America can be grateful to John McCain for is that he has inadvertently managed to expose Alaskan politics as a high-latitude swampland.

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  • 184. At 2:14pm on 28 Oct 2008, frayedcat wrote:

    Bluffing? More like blustering. I think GOP relying heavily on the prejudice factor which is rearing its head worse than Putin in this last week. Plus McCain seems very fond of creating the impression he has secret information and skills up his sleeves, my friends. It gives some in the electorate a basis for their vote, "oh, on the face of it he and his running mate seem completely incompetent but you see he has secret polls and skill and information up his sleeves that they will bring to bear after the election."

    Here's hoping people will vote for the smart man...

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  • 185. At 2:15pm on 28 Oct 2008, jacksforge wrote:

    169

    wow apparently The gorilla from wasilla (sorry apes) thinks that america is the only free country.
    those with health care are all unfree communist hovels.

    Time for the Dumb botch job to go travel.

    See those oppressed ravers around the world partying up.

    In oppressed Europe.


    The whole world partying youngsters raving .but the yanks don't have raves , don't have as much freedom

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  • 186. At 2:17pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Dublin John,

    "It appears that for some weird techie reason that escapes me, certain punctuation symbols get 'changed' into question marks here, eg if you've typed your posting in Word - which I'd much prefer to do, as it makes it easier to spell check."
    The problem is in the source code of the software, which is switched between character coding systems and back again. It seems mostly to affect text copied in from other formats.

    If you want spellchecking right here in the comment box, try using firefox as your browser. It will give you the option of British, South African, American, NZ, versions of "English", or, if you prefer, Swahili.

    Alternatively you can also try and adjust the coding option in your chosen offline text editor (Word, etc.) through 'preferences', etc. The sourcecode for this page says 'charset=utf-8' for starters...If your text editor outputs in utf-8, it'll probably get through in good condition

    Peace and Characters
    ed

    Meanwhile, What's "volatility"?

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  • 187. At 2:19pm on 28 Oct 2008, moderate_observer wrote:

    its been said that the people out there who despises the USA would love to see a mccain win because they believe his ideas and leadership would sink the US in relevance kinda the way Bush has sank the countries credibility among its allies.

    I always thought McCains foreign policy was his strongest suit, and it should be, but McCain has transformed into a neo-con in the last 8 years and thats too bad.

    HIs idea of somehow creating a league of democracies, to push out china and russia, will bring the US back 20 years into the cold war era. east vs west , democratic vs un-democratic ideological struggle.

    Its also unlikey that western european powers, key NATO allies other than the UK would support this obviously bad idea.

    So in essence it will only make the US more isolated, and i dont see how that is in any way a good idea.

    European countries would treat the US as the old granny in the room that they listen to out of respect but does not take anything she says seriously, while they slowly distance themselves and make new allies.

    mccain's old ideas would be a dream come true for many of america's enemies, sadly only a few has called him out on this.



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  • 188. At 2:19pm on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    Doug Taxan

    You don't need to ask for a link to Icetoya's posts. You just need to get yourself put on the GOP e-mail list and you'll get it in your in-box.

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  • 189. At 2:21pm on 28 Oct 2008, jacksforge wrote:

    171
    why do you think we should treat two sick jokes with respect.


    Hiding behind their race baiting and hate.

    Lame & Shame
    would that be better

    OH DOUGGEEE>
    it was the GOP that started by calling Obama, Obama bin laden . Terrorist , unpatriotic etc.
    so suck it up when it comes around as a gop supporter you should be good at sucking.


    As for the education system it is not Me from the UK that cannot work out the circumference of a circle but your american applicants.

    I would also add that out of the "views" 5 people the only one up and for the GOP and stumping for aPallin is the other bimbo.
    the blond bimbo .

    barbie dumb and dumber.

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  • 190. At 2:21pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Geezer,

    " She could care less who is hurt in the fray, including her poor little son, who she drags from rally to rally, "
    The poor wee mite will probably already have hearing damage from the noise! Some mother (or grannie)!

    Peace and Mother Love
    ed

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  • 191. At 2:23pm on 28 Oct 2008, SaintOne wrote:

    To # 173

    "157. At 1:23pm on 28 Oct 2008, icetayoa wrote;

    Loved that piece, could you link to it? I see if I can find but as you already have........"

    It had so much substance and evidence too. I found it helpful to know he is from a family of journalists. Makes it more truthful!

    Pardon my sarcasm

    Is it just me or this guy always on these blogs pasting in random "articles"?

    Peace

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  • 192. At 2:23pm on 28 Oct 2008, vor_tecks wrote:

    #147 forkwitt

    I agree with your characterisation of the way the candidates present themselves, but I think both are posturing to a greater or lesser degree. Sadly, this seems to be a pre-requisite of modern-day electioneering.

    Having said that, I would love to be able to vote for a politician of the undoubted quality of Obama in my own country - UK.

    I hope that the good folk in USA make a wise choice next Tuesday, and that the aftermath brings the country together.

    Good luck.

    P.S. forkwitt - I love your member name

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  • 193. At 2:24pm on 28 Oct 2008, jacksforge wrote:

    172 John in Dublin
    Just notice the line
    "If Obama loses, I think he'd do v well in the UK"

    Funny thing is he might have to run as a Troy in the UK.

    Obama for president.

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  • 194. At 2:24pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    The lesson of Enron is, sadly, that there are no lessons.

    "Less than seven years ago, federal prosecutors began pouncing on the fallen energy company, eventually convicting 22 employees.....[truncated to appease the Mods (who are as Gods) ]...
    Today's financial crisis has shown what a real debacle looks like....What is worse, the post-Enron crackdown appears not only to have failed to stop flagrant corporate risk-taking, but to have lulled Washington to sleep."
    Caveat voters!

    Peace and (eternal internal) vigilance
    ed

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  • 195. At 2:27pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Drudge,

    "As for the VP she is a maverick just like McCain who will help him to clean up Washington."
    Isn't "maverick just like" a sort of oxymoron?

    Peace (even for oxymorons) is that better, Mods?
    ed

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  • 196. At 2:28pm on 28 Oct 2008, jacksforge wrote:

    America has it all wrong.(just like saying that)
    Proof?

    None but when a convicted felon can't vote unless he is in the senate there is something wrong.

    Stevens can still vote unless 2/3 kick him out.

    the pot dealer who got a federal wrap because he lives on the border with another state and travelled to his Buddy can't vote.

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  • 197. At 2:30pm on 28 Oct 2008, jacksforge wrote:

    177. At 1:56pm on 28 Oct 2008, DougTexan wrote:
    Ice, got it, thanks anyway.


    http://abcnews.go.com/ In the search engine put Michael Malone

    ----------------------------------------------
    Glad to see you moving into the 21 century there Dougee.
    And now you can just dial a number instead of having to make a connection with the operator.

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  • 198. At 2:35pm on 28 Oct 2008, jacksforge wrote:

    175.

    to the bias, it is amusing that it is not the speech with the alaska in depends party and the other real juicy stuff about palin does not make it onto the TV main time shows.

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  • 199. At 2:37pm on 28 Oct 2008, joplass wrote:

    McCain will have a better chance of changing poll and possibly winning "IF" he drops Palin and go for for a centrist republican.
    Traditional republicans will vote for him.
    Right wing nuts will vote for him.
    Most importantly, some independents will pull the lever his way.

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  • 200. At 2:38pm on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    Might not those voters who are tempted to vote for Obama, but worried about the democrats controlling the congress and senate vote accordingly? Are there republicans out there who are going to vote for McCain but balance that by voting democrat for the lower part of the ticket (if that is the right expression).

    Doug (161) I have some sympathy for your point of view. All the more reason to elect someone who has a plan to invest in education. Many of the problems you mentioned in the later part of your post stem from that, and the resulting poverty of opportunity. Of course throwing money at people is not the solution, but I don't see Obama doing that. One aspect of his speeches which has not been covered so much is his theme of reponsibility. I think that is important, He admits the government can't bring children up (nor should it). I am not saying he has all the answers but at least there is a positive agenda.

    Re Blair: Largely popular in the UK until he lied to us about Iraq. That will forever damage his reputation. As for Brown, the less said the beter (end of boom and bust lol!)

    peace and friendly disagreement : )

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  • 201. At 2:41pm on 28 Oct 2008, john-In-Dublin wrote:

    161 DougTexan wrote:

    "...In the past twenty years the education system of the united states has fallen horribly...."

    On a relatively minor point 'John's Law' re web postings is that any posting about someone else's spelling, grammar, punctuation etc will invariably contain at least one wrongly spelled word.

    Doug, English teachers in the US seem to think 'alot' is a word. Not last time I checked.

    [I avoid all such errors by using my spill chucker ;-) )

    He also wrote "I have a son that lives in Dallas city limits, and the story on the rebate/stimulus check was a boon for drug culture (stimulus,..chuckle) and video/music stores. Some redistribution there, possibly if we gave them many thousands of dollars the overdoses alone would overload the medical/emergency services system./The premise of giving money to those incapable of handling thier own lives as a form of fairness is absurd. These people are better served leaving the money with those that have the ability to make it, hire others and be responsible to feed thier families"

    As far as I can see, the claim here is that, if Obama's tax cutting gives poor people more money, they'll only spend it on drugs.

    Right.

    [Were we in Victorian times, you could probably substitute 'gin' for 'drugs' - but the point would be the same.]

    As someone once asked, of right wing economics - 'Why is it that, to get the rich to work harder, you have to give them more money, and to get the poor to work harder, you have to give them less money?'

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  • 202. At 2:42pm on 28 Oct 2008, american_garry wrote:

    Polls historicly are wrong, they where with Busch, Clinton, reagon and many others. You plain and simple don't know until election day.

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  • 203. At 2:45pm on 28 Oct 2008, american_garry wrote:

    Obama has the least credentials of any potential leader in the world; now running for the most powerful position in the world. Great oratory is a powerful thing; just not what we need for a president though.

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  • 204. At 2:47pm on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    Jacksforge

    We don't have Troys in the UK

    Maybe after seeing some of Ed's dodgy voting machine videos your mind is wandering towards Greece, the mother of democracy.

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  • 205. At 2:50pm on 28 Oct 2008, magnanimousrogera wrote:

    I have just read a link regarding the flawed character of John McCain which was posted by someone else on one of the BBC message boards covering the US Election. If the allegations are true, I find it extremely disturbing that someone who is so egotistical, utterly self-centred and mentally unbalanced is running for the Presidency of the US. The link is at:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

    If you have not already read it, I strongly suggest that you do. It is really surprising that the Obama campaign have apparently not used this information to discredit McCain over the last few weeks.

    If McCain wins, we should all be as scared as hell.

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  • 206. At 2:50pm on 28 Oct 2008, Mark_W_Elliott wrote:

    DougTexan wrote:
    To the point, I liked Tony Blair as your PM, he had flair and a backbone.


    Ironically many of the republicans who think that about Tony Blair wouldn't vote for him if he stood in the US.

    He would be wrongly labelled a socialist (Old Labour used to be a socialist party but New Labour isn't).

    New Labour ran on a platform of increased public spending (especially in the health service and education)

    For all his best friends act with Bush most people in the UK would expect Blair to back Obama over McCain if he was to make a declaration (typically our politicans don't get involved though).

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  • 207. At 2:52pm on 28 Oct 2008, magnanimousrogera wrote:

    Re my comment at 205 above.

    The article is very long - 10 pages in fact but it is a very compelling read.

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  • 208. At 2:52pm on 28 Oct 2008, DNAtheist wrote:

    Are they bluffing?

    Given the levels of bluffing so far witnessed from the Republican camp phrases like "clutching at straws" and "scraping the bottom of the barrel" come to mind.

    Bluster and bravado have been the mainstays of the Bush administration - resorting to the same is not distancing yourself from the Bush camp. Neither is voting with Bush with almost complete consistency. And neither is having a chequered Bush-ian past.

    Having read the Rolling Stone article about McCain's past, I have revised my earlier assertion that McCain is probably a decent, honourable individual. Rolling Stone have certainly produced plenty of candid articles over time, and this was an absolutely damning indictment of McCain which, although I am in no way inclined to take it as gospel, even if 50 per cent of it were 50 per cent true paints an ugly picture of loutish, boorish, mysogynistic behaviour, selfish aggrandisement, moral ambiguity, verbal bullying and irresponsibility. One might almost be inclined to say: "Better the Dubya you know."

    The continued denigration of the concept of "elite" is inordinately tiresome. As Bill Maher said: "Elite fighting force is seen as a good thing; if I have to go in for brain surgery I want an 'elite' brain surgeon."

    When voting for a political leader I want to vote for the person who possesses the intellectual capacity to debate on the world stage, who can articulate ideas and concepts to all levels of society, who can in turn grasp the ideas of the best and brightest and see how they can be utilised for the greater good of society, who is possessed of moral fortitude, calmness, direction and common sense. In short, I want an elite person. I want the best humanity has to offer. I do not want the guy down the street who you might have a beer with, I do not want a religious conservative (read: fanatic), I do not want a person with a chequered past and highly questionable motives.

    Douglas Adams put it best when he said: "...that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

    To aspire to such heights should be the aim of any politician actually worth voting for. Such aspirations are dramatically more apparent in the character of Barack Obama than McCain or Palin.

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  • 209. At 2:53pm on 28 Oct 2008, David Cunard wrote:

    This video from the Washington Post: ”God, Guns and Guts” gives an indication of the level of discourse in Virginia - and, I suspect, elsewhere. Mrs Palin aside, the subjects shown appear not to have understood the message Mr Obama brings, as exemplified by the ten (yes, 10!) year old's words at the very end. The father and son (?) 'team' is interesting since the younger man makes little sense, but he has a vote!

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  • 210. At 2:54pm on 28 Oct 2008, Drudge52 wrote:

    eightypercent wrote

    Just like she helped Senator Stevens clean up Alaskan politics ? Oh boy !

    Get your facts right first.
    Sarah Palin is the Governeror of Alaska,she heads the executive branch there.
    Senator Stevens represents Alaska in Washington.
    Senator Stevens has been senator for many years before Palin came along.
    Governor Palin wants to clean up Washington just as she was elected to clean up Alaska which she is doing.That is why John McCain picked her as Vice Presidential Candidate.

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  • 211. At 2:57pm on 28 Oct 2008, middlecroony wrote:

    #35
    A country can't just fly into another country and bomb them for whatever reason. Al Queda(sp) did that to us on 9/11, and we didn' t like it very much. The U.S doesn't have the resourses to back up these actions if Syria, Pakistan(has nukes) and anyone else who is sick of our superiorism, if they take action.
    You can't hide behind "The War on Terror" to commit worldly mis-deeds, and then be surprised when they retaliate.

    Also, whatever the polls say means nothing to me. It's not over till it's over, and I am very anxious!

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  • 212. At 2:57pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:


    News Orgs Investigate Possibly Fatal McCain '64 Car Crash

    "For the past two months, a major American magazine and an allied news service have been engaged in a legal battle with the United States Navy over records that they believe show that John McCain once was involved in an automobile accident that injured or, perhaps, killed another individual.

    Vanity Fair magazine and the National Security News Service claim to have knowledge "developed from first-hand sources" of a car crash that involved then-Lt. McCain at the main gate of a Virginia naval base in 1964, according to legal filings.... "
    Peace and obfuscation
    ed

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  • 213. At 3:03pm on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    "According to the story, one of the candidates changed his name by Deed Poll to 'None Of The Above'.

    And won."

    Nice story, John-in-Dublin.

    On a serious note, I believe that in Australia (Sankari - correct me if wrong) that "None of the above" always appears on the ballot, as it is an offense not to vote, and therefore there must be an option to dislike all candidates.

    Presumably in None of the Above wins, then there would be no mandate to govern.

    It does raise the issue that in the USA you have to register to vote (see ongoing Acorn issues) whereas in many other Western Democracies citizens are automatically registered to vote upon reaching the requisite age.

    I personally like the idea of compulsory voting. If you want the benefits of living in a democracy, you should be obliged to participate ... hence the need for a "none of the above". There should be responsabilities as well as benefits to living in a democracy.

    Australia has a consistent voter turnout of 95% over the last 50 years - the other 5% serving beer in London pubs!

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  • 214. At 3:04pm on 28 Oct 2008, jacksforge wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 215. At 3:06pm on 28 Oct 2008, magnanimousrogera wrote:

    #60.

    malcolmd3111 wrote:
    More news about votes being switched from Dems to Repubs. If the machines were electronically dysfunctional (as opposed to the Republican party) then the errors would be statistically even. 50% switch randomly to each party. The fact that all the reported switches go one way (D to R) suggest technical malfiescence.

    Obama's lawyers should be all over this and, at the moment they seem to be silent on the matter.
    unquote

    There are many reported instances of these voting machines switching votes cast for Obama to McCain. Given that many of these machines are made by Diebold Election Systems, I would not find it surprising that votes are being switched via a software mini app that is difficult to find in the system. The CEO of Diebold is a major fundraiser for the Republican Party.

    I suspect that the Obama campaign are quite well aware of the situation and that their lawyers will "be all over this" in due course. However, I am so concerned about this that I send a message to them pointing out some of the reports.

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  • 216. At 3:08pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    80% (204),

    Maybe Jack was thinking of the Trojan Moose.

    Beware of geeks baring goofs

    Peace and moose nuggets
    ed

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  • 217. At 3:12pm on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    General question:
    Is there any restiction on polling, or does it continue right until election day?

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  • 218. At 3:12pm on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:

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  • 219. At 3:12pm on 28 Oct 2008, magnanimousrogera wrote:

    #212

    Ed, Your post is very timely as I have just posted an article at #205 on McCain. The article you refer to would appear to confirm the allegations levelled in the Rolling Stone article.

    Roger

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  • 220. At 3:14pm on 28 Oct 2008, msutc86 wrote:

    'Hmmmm I wonder what members belonging to this "subterranean surge" look like. Do they actually live underground?'
    nice one... lol

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  • 221. At 3:15pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:


    McCain Calls On Stevens To Step Down, Aide Predicts Palin Won't Vote For Him

    "On Tuesday morning, John McCain called for convicted felon Sen. Ted Stevens to step down from the U.S. Senate, while a campaign aide suggested on television that Sarah Palin would not vote for the embattled legislator in his tight reelection race."
    Gee whiz! Y'all sure know how to kick an old man when he's down!

    Peace and party loyalty
    ed

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  • 222. At 3:16pm on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    hainseoids (#44), good point about the bias in betting odds because of the bookie's cut, but I thought the bookmaker was only interested in covering his bets, not in actually predicting the outcome. Isn't all the research done by his customers?

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  • 223. At 3:18pm on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    205 mag: could it be that Obama is trying to run a clean campaign? There is plenty of stuff he could use, but is'n't. How refreshing. It is still a shame that there is not much of a real debate going on regards the serious issues, but it takes two to tango.

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  • 224. At 3:22pm on 28 Oct 2008, Jamesbdoran wrote:

    Well, it depends what the "private information" is. I will never forget Bush's smile when Al Gore won Florida, saying that "our information" shows a different result. That information likely included, of course, the amount of votes Team Bush knew would be discounted, and the amount of people that had been disenfranchised. I hope the outcome in 2008 reflects the way people actually vote, rather than the way in which votes are not counted at all.

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  • 225. At 3:24pm on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    hainesoides (#63), that is not a correct inference. An electronic malfunction may or may not be biased in a particular direction, and a software malfunction may do anything at all. I have been in the computer business for decades and have a great deal of experience with computer problems, including hardware diagnosis.

    If I had jurisdiction over voting machines which were unreliable, I would get them out of the system, whether they were biased or not, and figure out what was going on with them later. It could be innocent, or it could be deliberate fraud.

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  • 226. At 3:28pm on 28 Oct 2008, RedWhiteandermblue wrote:

    Experience being a plus strikes me as a provably poor argument for McCain as president.

    Here are the youngest US presidents in history:

    1. Theodore Roosevelt
    2. John F. Kennedy
    3. Bill Clinton

    As for the Democrats using the same "inexperience" stick to beat Palin: yes, true to a large extent. My problem with Palin isn't that she's inexperienced. It's that she scares the crap out of me. Specifically, I want to feel some assurance that a president or veep won't just start sending nuclear weapons everywhere. I don't have it with Palin, fairly or unfairly.

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  • 227. At 3:28pm on 28 Oct 2008, niceBrianm wrote:

    The Republican party's Darth Vader, aka Karl Rove, is still spinning (perhaps his wheels) about the McCain campaign being "Up-Beat".

    Perhaps he is dsylexic, as every non-Republican really knows that his man's campaign is "Beat-Up"!!!!

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  • 228. At 3:31pm on 28 Oct 2008, deutscherdave wrote:

    #12 StephenDerry wrote:
    "Failing that he is depending on Obama making the mother of all gaffes, or one of the internet's famous wingnuts producing irrefutable proof that he is a Kenyan-born Arab Marxist terrorist who eats babies."

    mother of all gaffes -- there have already been plenty, but the Ericsonian hypnosis is too strong with this One.
    Kenyan-born -- only according to his paternal Kenyan grandmother during an early, unscripted interview.
    Arab -- inprecise catagorization by Kenyan government.
    Marxist -- only if Frank Marshall Davis, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Rashid Khalidi, Che posters in his Houston campaign office, and changing the Constitution to correct the "tragedy" of not including wealth redistribution (read full 2001 interview transcript) count.
    terrorist -- not personally ... just associates with them and occassionally backs their pet projects (ask LA Times for "PLO" Khalidi farewell video they claim to be holding).
    who eats babies -- the Secret Service have helped him cut back considerably. They rush in any time he tries to "kiss" one. Besides, the uncooperative, live-born, induced-abortion "babies" don't count. They aren't actually human until the mother chooses to take them home from the hospital, as Pelosi once observed.

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  • 229. At 3:34pm on 28 Oct 2008, Drudge52 wrote:

    magnanimousrogera wrote:
    If you have not already read it, I strongly suggest that you do. It is really surprising that the Obama campaign have apparently not used this information to discredit McCain over the last few weeks.

    An alleged private conversation between 2 people,He said,He said, she said, etc.
    Here say tittle tattle, maybe good for the magazines but not to be taken seriously.
    Obama campaign obviously agrees.

    What about something we can see.
    An effigy of a Hanging Sarah Palin outside
    a house in West Hollywood,California.
    Will the Obama campaign condemn such things?
    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gEryuTOCZ9zsiwaIvTzY18hdgvKQ

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  • 230. At 3:41pm on 28 Oct 2008, jacksforge wrote:

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  • 231. At 3:45pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Voting as a Rational Choice

    "For voters with `social' preferences, the expected utility of voting is approximately independent of the size of the electorate, suggesting that rational voter turnouts can be substantial even in large elections. Less important elections are predicted to have lower turnout, but a feedback mechanism keeps turnout at a reasonable level under a wide range of conditions."
    Obviously only for an elite readership....

    Peace and literacy/numeracy
    ed

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  • 232. At 3:50pm on 28 Oct 2008, fearlessbritabroad wrote:

    Trust me, if Palin makes it to the hot seat, the US will be the laughing stock of the world. Bush gets parodied enough for godsake. What an embarrassment, unless of course you don't care what the rest of the world thinks.

    Seriously Drudge, do you actually see her as an intelligent, comprehensible President of the USA - able to discuss, on an even intellectual level, with heads of state and heads of departments the serious issues concerning the US and the rest of the world?

    I can just hear it now "Hey, in Alaska we shoot em' first and ask questions later. Bomb them, NOW!"

    She makes GWB look like an emminent professor of physics!

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  • 233. At 3:51pm on 28 Oct 2008, john-In-Dublin wrote:

    # 213 RomeStu wrote:

    "Nice story, John-in-Dublin./On a serious note, I believe that in Australia (Sankari - correct me if wrong) that "None of the above" always appears on the ballot, as it is an offense not to vote, and therefore there must be an option to dislike all candidates./Presumably in None of the Above wins, then there would be no mandate to govern."

    On a semi-serious note - I could be wrong, but I'm nearly sure that, in the last UK General Election, for the first time, more eligible voters didn't vote at all than voted for the winning party, Labour.

    So, strictly speaking, "None of the above" won.....

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  • 234. At 3:51pm on 28 Oct 2008, DesertChildAZ wrote:

    Listen, if Palin really has political aspirations for 2012, then she better take a page from Hillary Clinton's book and dedicate herself to working for another 4 years in her state as governor. As for right now, 1.5 years of governing experience with limited education and foreign policy or current affairs knowledge "does not a president make".

    That said, I still won't vote for her in 2012. She's still to far right for me.

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  • 235. At 3:56pm on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    # 216

    Moose Nuggets - Yuck !

    After yesterday's hustings for the new Party, I thought our currency for barter was peanuts.

    By the way, where is Nutkin today ?

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  • 236. At 3:58pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Honest

    Compare and contrast
    ed

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  • 237. At 4:03pm on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    selfevidenttruths (#217), on election day, it is customary for pollers to take "exit polls," asking people how they voted as they leave the voting sites. Television networks sometimes predict the outcome on this basis (with other polling data). When this is done before the polls close on the west coast or in Hawaii, people don't like it. Can't do anything about it under our system, however.

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  • 238. At 4:09pm on 28 Oct 2008, gadfly55 wrote:

    This is all over bar the party in Grant Park costing 2million, but the Obama army commanders don't want and need not worry about motivation for the tens of millions who will take absolute historic levels of joy to cast their vote for not only Obama but all other Democrats. The Republicans will fragment into dissenting right wing factions while the mass movement of young, old, middle and working class, all races, urban and enlightened rural, inspirational and aspirational, will dominate American politics for the next 40 years. The vestiges of nineteenth century frontier individualism and me first aggression and greed will disintegrate into pockets of anachronism, detached from reality.

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  • 239. At 4:11pm on 28 Oct 2008, wanderer-middleast wrote:

    Two things: The Republicans are either optimistic or they are in a state of 'denial'.

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  • 240. At 4:13pm on 28 Oct 2008, cyrilcroydon wrote:

    It's quite amusing and a little sad to watch Fox babe Megyn Kelly genuinely think she's being "fair and balanced"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1qE6onrdCo

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  • 241. At 4:14pm on 28 Oct 2008, jacksforge wrote:

    just heard that despite election posters being illegal next to polling stations the Gop signs are up near the stations in florida and the police have been taking down signs for Obama but leaving the GOP signs.

    Complaints start.
    Next blog topic Justin.
    How about
    " Is there any point in elections when the machines are fixed?"
    Why should the UN not observe these elections as they would with any other Countries fixed elections.

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  • 242. At 4:15pm on 28 Oct 2008, seanspa wrote:

    Selfevident, it should be clear to you of all people (if your name means anything) that if that HuffPost, Kos, RollingStone all dish the dirt, and the 'mainstream media' then run with these stories, then the official Obama campaign don't have to get their hands dirty.

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  • 243. At 4:18pm on 28 Oct 2008, MarkW wrote:

    #144 Drudge52
    "As for the VP she is a maverick just like McCain who will help him to clean up Washington."

    The notion that Palin (or McCain) is a "maverick" is just inaccurate.

    Palin acted improperly (although legally) when firing an Alaska employee. She claimed per diems when living at home. She knows very little about foreign policy and thought that the VP could make policy in the Senate.

    As for McCain, voting for him 95% of the time is not the hallmark of a maverick.

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  • 244. At 4:18pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Ballots picked up, then disappear

    "The disappearance of some absentee ballots, picked up under unusual circumstances, has raised some serious questions.
    ...
    Three Hialeah voters say they had an unusual visitor at their homes last week: a man who called himself Juan, offering to help them fill out their absentee ballots and deliver them to the elections office."
    Peace and gullibility
    ed

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  • 245. At 4:19pm on 28 Oct 2008, Marton R wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 246. At 4:22pm on 28 Oct 2008, U13651376 wrote:

    TechnoMetrica Market provided the most accurate poll for the 2004 Election.

    They were accurate to 3/10 of 1% of President Bush's victory.

    They currently show a 2.8% difference between the two candidates (and closing).

    http://www.tipponline.com/

    Oh the joy of seeing that lying socialist drag his roman columns back to Chicago! If God truly blesses America (And I think he does!) Please let it be so.

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  • 247. At 4:37pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    a Golden Oldie

    "The Virginian-Pilot
    © October 28, 2008

    RICHMOND

    A phony State Board of Elections flier advising Republicans to vote on Nov. 4 and Democrats on Nov. 5 is being circulated in several Hampton Roads localities, according to state elections officials."

    Caveat Voters

    Peace and vigilance
    ed

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  • 248. At 4:41pm on 28 Oct 2008, bluepaddy13 wrote:

    23. At 02:39am on 28 Oct 2008, hainesoides wrote:

    Re: #21

    sorry i meant counters not fraudsters...................................

    Good job you corrected that as everyone in the US who has been following know the "fraudsters" are Obama supporters, New Yorkers and others suddenly renting houses in Ohio to sneak in an extra vote down there, criminal really but they got away with it, by saying they misunderstood the Ohio regulations,

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  • 249. At 4:43pm on 28 Oct 2008, bluepaddy13 wrote:

    24. At 02:40am on 28 Oct 2008, StephenDerry wrote:

    If God himself came down and anointed McCain as The Chosen One, he'd still only get a 1-2% bump in the polls.......................

    Strange I have heard from liberals that they think :"Obama is a blessing from God" funny how previous godless heathen liberals are suddenly treating obama like the Messiah, maybe they are confusing him with God?

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  • 250. At 4:46pm on 28 Oct 2008, discomustachio wrote:

    This is all just code for stealing the election again. A few weeks ago McCain said that he had the Democrats "right where he wants them" and I believe he was right. McCain isn't worried because he knows the fix is in. I often wonder if that is why he picked Palin. He is so irresponsible he probably finds it funny that he could pick someone as unqualified as her and still "win". I feel hind-sight will show that McCain was simply flaunting the Republican dictatorship during this election. It doesn't matter what he does-Republicans win because this is not a democracy-just ask Diebold machines.

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  • 251. At 4:51pm on 28 Oct 2008, eightypercent wrote:



    # 228 ~ I believe that the Kenyan born grandmother was actually a step grandmother who did not meet the candidate until he was an adult.

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  • 252. At 4:52pm on 28 Oct 2008, aquarizonagal wrote:

    To#98Jackturk

    The numbers should be:

    More than 4000 American and coalition troops killed and over 1,000,000 dead in all.

    But what do numbers matter? When we lost our youngest child to this war, one was the only number that mattered to us.

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  • 253. At 4:53pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Spine

    Peace and Steel
    ed

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  • 254. At 4:53pm on 28 Oct 2008, Xie_Ming wrote:

    # 224

    "Better moral leadership is needed in the federal government, 80 percent of Americans believe, according to a new Harris Interactive survey.

    Only about one-third of those polled said they are extremely or very confident that the upcoming election in their state will be fair."

    CSM

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  • 255. At 4:59pm on 28 Oct 2008, frayedcat wrote:

    Here is a good description of McCain's secret weapon, although I think the US already met this test last two terms:

    "The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.
    "The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright m*o r o n." (Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920) - HL Menken

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  • 256. At 5:00pm on 28 Oct 2008, Xie_Ming wrote:

    I agree that the cross-border incursions into Pakistan and Syria where many innocents were killed are probably efforts to provoke a military escalation for electoral purposes.

    ___________________

    The last reported, in Syria, killed four innocents and one individual who was said to be the target.

    At what ratio should one draw the line?
    One thousand innocent for one target?

    Do we consider all those of a different religious/ethnic group to be as animals and thus to not count in such "targeted assassinations"?

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  • 257. At 5:02pm on 28 Oct 2008, middlecroony wrote:

    Australians are required by law to register at 18 and required by law to vote in evey election or else fined i believe. My man is an Aussie and he said when you do go vote you can write anything in you want if you don't like the choices, even if it's a bit profane.

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  • 258. At 5:05pm on 28 Oct 2008, frayedcat wrote:

    I am shocked and dismayed that a blog on a US political topic disallows the word m*o*r*o*n. No wonder the polls are 'tightening'.

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  • 259. At 5:12pm on 28 Oct 2008, british-ish wrote:

    I see we are back to the 'my dad is bigger than your dad' kind of interchange, for want of a better word.

    Meanwhile, we discover that one American bank grabbed 65 billion from the 'bailout fund' for . . .what?

    Not to help small businesses by releasing more money for essential overdrafts and loan to help them in the recession. Not to make the slightest dent in all those mortgage repayments people are struggling with.

    . . .to buy another bank . . .using not their own money, but taxpayers'. Ah, the pleasures of free-market capitalism. And, 70 billion dollars of the 'bailout' is being used to pay bonuses, thus relieving many banks of this burdensome 'tax' on their hard-earned profits . . .

    But tis is not the kind of thing, it seems, that concerns many American voters. No, it's not half as important in the middle of a world economic disaster -- as serious as there has ever been since 1929! -- as whether Barack Obama's birth certificate looks like some people think a birth certificate should look; or how many planes McCain crashed.

    Can't anybody think of something new to say? No wonder there's so much mud-slinging: the same ground has been trodden over so often over the last few weeks, even the Gobi desert would look like the swampier parts of the Everglades by now.

    We of the Squirrel Party (whose adherents, like me, have obviously abandoned this blog today so as to attempt to retain both their common sense and their temper) have only one comment to make:

    Get real!


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  • 260. At 5:18pm on 28 Oct 2008, Xie_Ming wrote:

    Re Syria:

    How many innocents may properly be killed in a targeted assassination?

    If the victims are of a different religion or ethnicity, does it matter how many innocents are killed?

    If a military flare-up is provoked, will that aid the cons in the election?

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  • 261. At 5:19pm on 28 Oct 2008, icetayoa wrote:

    enjoy this from politico website. its them admitting bias in the media's reporting of the US election.

    The Project for Excellence in Journalism’s researchers found that John McCain, over the six weeks since the Republican convention, got four times as many negative stories as positive ones. The study found six out of 10 McCain stories were negative.

    What’s more, Obama had more than twice as many positive stories (36 percent) as McCain — and just half the percentage of negative (29 percent).

    You call that balanced?

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  • 262. At 5:27pm on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    237 Gary: Thanks, am I to take it that normal polling continues up to November 3rd then?

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  • 263. At 5:29pm on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    236 Ed: dismal ...

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  • 264. At 5:30pm on 28 Oct 2008, U13633296 wrote:

    204 216

    Tory ?


    apparently the mods have a short temper today.


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  • 265. At 5:31pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Dublin John,

    " I could be wrong, but I'm nearly sure that, in the last UK General Election, for the first time, more eligible voters didn't vote at all than voted for the winning party, Labour.

    So, strictly speaking, "None of the above" won....."
    You're not wrong. 38.64% didn't vote, and NuLabour got 36.91% of the vote. (22.64% of the electorate, or less than teo-thirds of the vote for "none of the above")

    Of course, in US elections, it's even more pronounced:
    2004 55.3%Turnout= 44.7% for "none of the above"
    2000 51.3%Turnout= 48.7% for "none of the above"
    (or roughly twice the vote for the "winner")

    A landslide, in both cases!

    Peace and turnout
    ed

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  • 266. At 5:32pm on 28 Oct 2008, Old-Man-Mike wrote:

    To Ed Iglehart re:186

    Thanks for the link to 'Firefox', I am using it for the first time at this moment. Wish me luck - I am afraid that terms such as 'utf - 8' are beyond my poor 74 year old brain.

    Are they bluffing? I guess not but it may well be wishful thinking. The whole world will know on November 5 which just happens to be Guy Fawkes in the U.K. celebrating a failed attempt to blow up Parliament and the King with it.

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  • 267. At 5:32pm on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    There is a link to the latest Politico/InsiderAdv poll on PA and CO on pollster.com. I think this is why the McCain camp has been making noises about PA. It seems they are close in a couple of counties ... Still think they are going to lose though.

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  • 268. At 5:34pm on 28 Oct 2008, watermanaquarius wrote:

    A pre-emptive horror story.
    A couple more days and it is Halloween-
    "Halloween, or Hallowe’en, is an international holiday celebrated on October 31. Halloween activities include trick-or-treating, ghost tours, bonfires, costume parties, visiting haunted attractions, carving jack-o'-lanterns, reading
    scary stories and watching horror movies. Irish immigrants carried versions of the tradition to North America in the nineteenth century.....Halloween, the boundary between the alive and the deceased dissolved, and the dead become dangerous for the living by causing problems...." Wikipedia
    On that thought will cold comfort for the Democrats [if others above are correct in their thinking], be Osama BL, many weeks in the freezer being defrosted tomorrow so that Dubya and JM can have their moment, with their Ice Queen arriving in a pumpkin pulled by 6 mooseses or polar bears? I hope they are and are not stuffed [ie the animals here !]
    And ghosts in the machines ready for November 4. It should not happen but in America, anything is possible.

    Looking on the warm side,probably from now till Friday, Sam will be getting the hots imagining Michelle arriving for the reserved celebration in her most eye-catching ensemble going.
    Justin and colleagues will leave weekend horror scenario threads on their respective blogs to keep us all guessing and them in a job.
    Many will be standing around a bonfire and feeding their garden residents while perhaps those of us in the security of our homes should be lighting a candle or lantern to ward off the evil spirits that test our boys and girls in uniform, not forgetting the civilians in all countries of the world.
    Keep the faith and pray that in one more week, we will all finally emerge into the light at the end of this long, long road.
    For me it can not come too soon.

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  • 269. At 5:42pm on 28 Oct 2008, british-ish wrote:

    229, Drudge52 mentioned the Palin 'guy' . (As we would call it around this time of year over here. After a certain Guido, or Guy, Fawkes. Nothing sexist about it.)

    Such a huge degree of outrage, such rioting in the streets!

    "Sgt. Kristin Aloma of the sheriff's department said that since Sunday she had received five to 10 calls from residents offended by the display. Officials are monitoring the house to make sure the situation doesn't get out of hand, she said."

    [Daily Telegraph, UK, report]

    (Funny, I was thinking of making a Sarah Palin guy for our bonfire on Nov. 5th. But I rather tend to a Mandelson one. We'll be having baked potatoes, ciabata rolls, and roast pig t go with the fireworks.
    . . .I wanted moose, but they're not that easy to get hold of over here. We might have had baked grey squirrel, but there's only one in that particular garden square, and, despite my quite natural racial prejudice, he's quite sweet, really.)

    I suppose certain people, not knowing about Fawkes until they google him, will no doubt now accuse me of supporting terrorism (he plotted to blow up parliament along with everybody in it) or atheistically-motivated anti-Catholicism (he was a Catholic, too). Thought I'd mention that to save you the bother. I don't think redistribution of wealth was part of it; just a kind of general redistribution of protestant body parts.

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  • 270. At 5:43pm on 28 Oct 2008, David Cunard wrote:

    #237. Gary_A_Hill: "on election day, it is customary for pollers to take "exit polls," asking people how they voted as they leave the voting sites. Television networks sometimes predict the outcome on this basis (with other polling data). When this is done before the polls close on the west coast or in Hawaii, people don't like it. Can't do anything about it under our system, however."

    Not true any longer; the networks, including Fox, do not project the Presidential winner before California and Hawai'i have finished polling. They used to, but there is an informal agreement that they wait. They will project state winners, both presidential and local measures, but with regard to the overall Presidential race, early projections are no longer made. However, if this year sufficient Electoral College votes have been picked up before polling closes in the west, it is possible, even likely, that the result would be made known.

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  • 271. At 5:45pm on 28 Oct 2008, neil_a2 wrote:

    Re:
    #81. Was the Senator Stevens verdict the October Surprise ?

    No more than Dan Rostenkowski's. (except he got pardoned by the ethical Bill Clinton)

    No more than Al Gore's 15 months of missing email when his campaign funds were under scrutiny. (Except email server and the administrator who maintained backups when down at the same time.)

    No more than Thomas Foley kept fraud and embezzlement under wraps until the media forced his hand.

    No more than Pelosi rants against opposing views while presiding.

    No. There is no surprise here.

    ----

    You will get your "hip-hop", smiling, ethnic, Democratic hood ornament in about a week.

    Watch your unemployment numbers.

    The entitlements burden Obama is looking to put on employers will crush weak businesses, and drive savvy business to employ elsewhere.

    Obama uses, "I believe" more than any evangelist I have ever encountered.

    Just wait for the collection plate. It is coming.

    Of course, you'll blame Bush.

    Sorry, I am not a "believer". I pay taxes.

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  • 272. At 5:48pm on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    242 Sean: ouch, but ok I take your point. How come McCain did not do the same, it seems to have cost him support amongst the independants and moderates, and there seem to be plenty of people spinning the wilder stories about Obama still ...

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  • 273. At 5:54pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Dame (246),

    1. What's the value of a national (popular vote) poll in the electoral college election?
    2. Tipp gets a pretty low weighting at fivethirtyeight - I wonder why, if they're so reputable...

    Peace and disciplined strategy
    ed

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  • 274. At 5:57pm on 28 Oct 2008, Goonerfied MC wrote:

    All I know is that McCain/Palin have been running around shouting redistribution of wealth amounts to socialism, while Palin has been redistributing oil money to the residents of Alaska all this time. I guess to them it's called buying votes.

    How can you believe people who say one thing and another. I think it's even on record that McCain said those who are better off should do a little more, or something to that effect. I think that's the pre-election McCain but the real McCain will change who he is just to win an election.

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  • 275. At 5:59pm on 28 Oct 2008, Rosybeeme wrote:

    '...the prospect of Osama in his cave and Obama in the White House is creating some long-overdue sober thought. '

    Dead right it is. Perhaps at long last there will be someone in the White House who realises that the only effective way of defeating terrorism in the long term is not to make martyrs out of terrorists by destroying the lives of thousands of innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq but by finding ways to engage in genuine dialogue about the causes of the hatred that led to 9/11.

    On this side of the Atlantic the 'war' in Northern Ireland with the IRA (terrorists supported by Irish Americans donating money for weapons used to kill scores of innocent civilians) only ended once the peace process began. I live in fearful hope that there are enough sober and thoughtful citizens of the US who can see that Obama offers the only real hope of change. The prospect of McCain in power with the shallow, manipulative Palin as his sidekick must be just what Bin Laden is praying for.

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  • 276. At 6:00pm on 28 Oct 2008, David Cunard wrote:

    #234.DesertChildAZ: "Listen, if Palin really has political aspirations for 2012, then she better take a page from Hillary Clinton's book and dedicate herself to working for another 4 years in her state as governor."

    If Republican Sen. Ted Stevens should resign later, there would be an opportunity for Mrs Palin to work within the Senate should she ever stand for election - that is assuming she's not in a higher position already. As is said, "a week's a long time in politics" and I'm not assuming anything about the identity of the winner despite what polls and pundits say.

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  • 277. At 6:00pm on 28 Oct 2008, onebrewsue wrote:

    I wouldn't trust the polls, I live in VA where the phone has been ringing constantly to invite me to rallies or to ask my opinion. Personally I don't want to waste any more time on answering calls. In week those of us in the US will all be standing in the mass of humanity that will be voting in this election and then we will know the answer. I do, however, look at the signs in yards in our area and the Obama signs are quite numerous. Mind you, my county is supposed to be conservative and we have a GOP Representative in DC. In addition, Virginia has something like 500,000 new people registered to vote in this election. I see that as a sign for Obama, not McCain. Another sighting, at the Richmond Folk Festival a few weeks ago, I saw a lot of Obama shirts, but on all kinds of people (one a whole group of senior white women). Look around you, take it all in, and you come up with a more accurate reading of the times than the latest poll. The tide is turning again as it did when Kennedy was elected: in this election is a bigger and more galvinized set of generations who have lived, work and had friends with all kinds of backgrounds. Most of the McCain backbone is coming from fear and angry accusations and some of that is racism, pure and simple. What do they have to fear? A man who is intelligent? A man who did come from humble roots, worked his way from his mixed race background with his talent and dreams into the most prestigious schools in the land? Why should we pick our presidents as if we are picking our best buddy for bar hopping? Yes, I am think change is needed and we should not fear it. The 8 year party for Halliburton and Wall Street is over, and we must get our country back on track with an eye to long-term goals that make us better citizens of the Uniited States and the world. Don't forget the guy who said "all we had to fear is fear itself" was disabled (and no one questioned whether he was ready to handle the presidency during those our bleakest hours). In the same light, I also encourage all voters in the US to read FDR's 1st innaugural address before going to the polls November 4: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5057/

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  • 278. At 6:00pm on 28 Oct 2008, british-ish wrote:

    235.eightypercent wrote:

    After yesterday's hustings for the new Party, I thought our currency for barter was peanuts.

    By the way, where is Nutkin today ?

    I did glance over today's posts, but felt a bit dispirited. I'm sure 'Drudge' and quite a few others would engage in squirrelism at the drop of a hat, so I thought I'd get a bit of hibernation in.

    Might need it: could be a long night on the 4th. No, maybe not; if the private polls are wrong, and there aren't as many SUV's (IUD's? 'DOA's'? -- I've forgotten what they call all those voters who don't read newspapers don't watch TV, and haven't a clue what they're voting for when they wander into the polling station from their mountain shacks or whatever clutching bloody moose limbs) as people say -- it did look an incredibly high percentage! -- it might of course be quite a short one.

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  • 279. At 6:00pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    The gift that keeps on giving!
    True love!!!!

    Pew Poll shows anything but "tightening" ...

    Peace and Man Love
    ed

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  • 280. At 6:02pm on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    Voter fraud, dodgy registrations, missing ballots, unreliable voting machines, no paper trails, disquailified voters, challenges to voter registrations in the week (!) before polling. All this does is undermine your democracy. I would have thought that after the debacle of 2000 these issues would have been addressed.

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  • 281. At 6:04pm on 28 Oct 2008, fearlessbritabroad wrote:

    #246
    "Oh the joy of seeing that lying socialist drag his roman columns back to Chicago!"


    What, rather than the joy of watching that greedy old lying capitalist drag his sorry butt back to Arizona?

    As my dear lamented grandmother (who was always correct) would say - "Never trust a man who can't raise his arms above his chest" - god bless her departed soul.

    I think I'll be physically sick if I wake up on the 5th and find this rat and his bimbo have somehow staked a claim to the White House. I'd dread to think what turmoil they'd unleash on world.

    People of America, do the right thing - you know what that is. Take a giant step forward, don't look backwards.

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  • 282. At 6:04pm on 28 Oct 2008, Xie_Ming wrote:

    The BBC has had two reports from witnesses, including a woman who watched two helicopters stay in the air while the other two landed troops.

    She said the troops searched, found nothing, and then starting firing generally.
    She hospitalized from her wounds.

    One also needs to ask what sort of political game the US administration is playing.

    Could it be to try and provoke a response, to justify an electorally rousing response from US aircraft?

    Here is the the account of one witness. There are others:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7693053.stm

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  • 283. At 6:09pm on 28 Oct 2008, DougTexan wrote:

    Fools and ghouls make up what used to be an ingenious place of wit and debate.

    jf and saint Bite me

    bye bye

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  • 284. At 6:12pm on 28 Oct 2008, british-ish wrote:

    246. DameMargaretThatcher wrote:

    "Oh the joy of seeing that lying socialist drag his roman columns back to Chicago! If God truly blesses America (And I think he does!) Please let it be so."

    Just so as you know, I'm on record in this blog as saying more than once I suspect that in these rather volatile electoral circumstances I don't think the '6 per cent plus' poll leads necessarily suggest a walkover.

    But why add a gratuitous bit of vituperation?

    So you'd have no objection to me adding now, if the opposite comes true, "There is a god after all. Oh the joy of seeing that dissimulating opportunist fascist drag his moose back to the Hanoi Hilton where he properly belongs" then?

    Oh good. Thought not.


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  • 285. At 6:15pm on 28 Oct 2008, DarbyReagan wrote:

    They aren't bluffing. I would bet any amount of money that this election will be far closer than many think. I have read over and over again media outlets predicting a land slide Obama victory. I am for Obama myself, but am not nearly as sure. The republican party may not be as talented as registering voters, but republicans DO turn up to vote. Much of Obama's massive registered voter lead is made up of first time voters. This is the group least likely to show up. When these polls show Obama up over McCain by massive margins are done, they tend to be polling "all" registered voters - ie a heavy democrat advantage. When "likely" voters are polled things are much more neck and neck. Celebration is unbelievably premature. Remember; Mighty Casey ended up striking out and there was no joy in Muddville.

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  • 286. At 6:16pm on 28 Oct 2008, Drudge52 wrote:

    fearlessbritabroad said
    Seriously Drudge, do you actually see her as an intelligent, comprehensible President of the USA - able to discuss, on an even intellectual level, with heads of state and heads of departments the serious issues concerning the US and the rest of the world?

    Dear fearlessbritabroad
    Am I reading another elitist and sexist comment again?
    The Lady is Governor of a state.Do you really know what that entails?
    She is head of the executive branch in that state and she has a team of advisers around her who head various departments in her state, just like the President has in his administration.
    I could go on but I am sure you get the drift.
    It takes real guts to take on ones own party and fight the establishment ,but that is what Governor Palin has done.
    As for the Obama team Senator Biden continues to gaffe on the campaign trail.
    Do we really want a Vice President one heart beat from the top job who does not know whether he is coming or going.
    It is easy to take cheap shots,we can all do that.Let us look at the candidates records and judge them on that and their trustworthiness to put their promises into action without the spin and without the pundits


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  • 287. At 6:19pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    What's Missing from GOP.com?

    "Any mention of, information about, or support for John McCain, outside of a link to McCain's campaign store and an outdated opportunity to volunteer for McCain on "Super Saturday," October 25th. A Fred Thompson video, in which John McCain gets four sentences and is mentioned by name only once, gets top billing."
    How to treat a maverick?

    Peace and ostracism
    ed

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  • 288. At 6:19pm on 28 Oct 2008, SamTyler1969 wrote:

    #85

    The media are biased, so the polls are slanted, so McCain isn't doing badly, so his running mate hasn't really made herself look stupid because the media are biased . . .

    You are right, McCain is a nice guy, W isn't ignorant, Sarah is a genius and didn;t raise taxes and still run a deficit, we are not in a financial mess, our economic policies are not disasterous and the world loves us.

    Back to the big soft room now.

    Looney Sam

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  • 289. At 6:19pm on 28 Oct 2008, Tony Boulton wrote:

    Justin, I have read a few of your pieces and, frankly, as a Brit who came to America 5 years ago, I perceive a little left wing bias there. That is unsurprising, given that the UK media is supportive of socialism these days, if not always the individual politicians that represent it.

    But I cannot understand why so many of the elite media, yourself included, seem to be convinced by Senator Obama. This is the guy about whom we actually know very little. Is it not the media's job to ask questions about his associations, the lack of material about his time in college, his views on abortion, his foreign policy views?

    I have no idea if these polls are right - there is only one that truly matters and we all know that they have gotten it wrong in the past, in the UK too. But if we end up with a socialist President and Cogres with a Democrat mandate, God help us.

    But He will. Thankfully this "land of the free" is blessed by a goodly number of its citizens who have faith in the Lord to control things. As it says in Prverbs 21:1, the king's heart will be in His hand - and that goes for Presidents, too.

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  • 290. At 6:23pm on 28 Oct 2008, Cassandra wrote:

    Tuning in a little late today....

    The yawning incident in Justin's blog illustrates (seems to me) a typical Conservative mentality: Hypersensitivity to anything that might even remotely, possibly, in the realm of possibility be an implied criticism.

    Obama gets positive media coverage? Liberal press.

    McCain gets positive media coverage?
    Telling it like it is.

    Biden makes an idiotic comment?
    What an dope.

    Palin makes an idiotic comment?
    Picking on her.

    Look, Conservatives have had their way for 8 years. We're nearly bankrupt, our freedoms are compromised, our reputation around the world is mud, we no longer have confidence in nor respect for most of our leaders. It's no wonder Bush was laughingly called the Arabian candidate. He seems to have done as much damage as any bomb.

    And you want 8 more years of tax breaks to the rich and 'damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead' policies?

    If McCain thinks there's a Hail Mary pass left in his party, he's got to go for it. (A response from Syria, maybe?) But if he wins, WE all lose.






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  • 291. At 6:32pm on 28 Oct 2008, meleager wrote:

    Ho Hum.

    Could this be the race card carefully wrapped up?

    Republicans are trying to tell us that there are voters out there telling the pollsters they will vote for Obama but who will actually do no such thing.

    Why would these voters do this?

    Because, in the Republican fairy tale, Obama is black and these voters are Democrats but prejudiced, perhaps?

    Nudge, Nudge. Wink, Wink.

    What they mean is: we know some Democrats won't vote for a black person and neither should you. The race card.

    Not much changes in the GOP.

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  • 292. At 6:36pm on 28 Oct 2008, john-In-Dublin wrote:

    # 237 Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    "selfevidenttruths (#217), on election day, it is customary for pollers to take "exit polls," asking people how they voted as they leave the voting sites. Television networks sometimes predict the outcome on this basis (with other polling data). When this is done before the polls close on the west coast or in Hawaii, people don't like it. Can't do anything about it under our system, however."

    I thought I heard that the main networks had an 'understanding' of some sort that they wouldn't release exit poll data till the polls were closed?

    I believe the Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys - sorry, the French - have some law re no polls in the week before an election.

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  • 293. At 6:36pm on 28 Oct 2008, british-ish wrote:

    In case anyone asks for an example of 'dissimulation' I think this fits the bill quite well:

    "Meanwhile, Senator McCain has called on his fellow Republican Senator Ted Stevens to resign after being convicted on charges of concealing gifts and home improvements paid for by business associates.
    'This a sign of the corruption and insider-dealing that has become so pervasive in our nation's capital,' the McCain campaign said in a statement."

    Now wasn't the company that did the bribing one that was based in Alaska, not Washington? And had been for forty years?

    But if 'Alaska' was substituted for 'Washington' it wouldn't fit the McCain/Palin agenda quite so nicely, would it?

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  • 294. At 6:37pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Anger management?

    Love the music!

    Peace and a cool head
    ed

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  • 295. At 6:40pm on 28 Oct 2008, DarbyReagan wrote:

    icetayoa # 261

    I think I recall reading that. Wasn't the conclusion drawn that is wasn't clear if McCain was getting more negative coverage because of actual negative events (their message has gotten a tad nasty you have to agree)or if it was real bias? I seem to recall the message was the negative coverage might very well be well deserved.

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  • 296. At 6:43pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Silly

    Peace
    ed

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  • 297. At 6:53pm on 28 Oct 2008, Jackturk wrote:

    252.aquarizonagal

    Thanks for the correction, you have paid the highest price imaginable, we should never forget that those statistics are human lives lost, my sincere condolences.

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  • 298. At 6:53pm on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    frayedcat (#258), yes, I discovered awhile ago that "m-word" was taboo, while "idiot" is allowed. Ironically, "idiot" actually denotes a greater degree of stupidity than "m-word." The question is, which are the moderators?

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  • 299. At 6:57pm on 28 Oct 2008, british-ish wrote:

    261. At 5:19pm on 28 Oct 2008, icetayoa wrote:

    "What's more, Obama had more than twice as many positive stories (36 percent) as McCain and just half the percentage of negative (29 percent).

    You call that balanced?"


    No; and nor should you. The number of positive v. negative stories is merely 'unequal'.

    If more people die in, shall we say, an missile attack on a wedding than come out smiling, that will result in a an inequality, in that there will be more reports of deaths than of survivors. 'Balance' means reporting that the people who died were civilian wedding guests, not terrorists making bombs . . .Or vice versa, in the (relatively) unlikely event the reverse is true.

    Think about it. It could be that there have been, shall we say, more 'negative' statements from one camp than another, and therefore more 'negative' reports, in which case, the reporting may still be 'balanced'.




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  • 300. At 6:58pm on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    selfevidenttruths (#262), I expect so, although the better polls take more time than a day. In the last few days, I expect pollsters would become more focused on particular areas. It is more rewarding to be the first to call a tossup state correctly than to provide the best estimate of the vote in a state with a known (to a high degree of liklihood) outcome.

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  • 301. At 7:02pm on 28 Oct 2008, john-In-Dublin wrote:

    # 261 icetayoa:

    Ice gives his 'spin' on a study by the 'The Project for Excellence in Journalism'.

    I hadn't heard of them. Since Ice was referring to them, and since he's one of those massively prejudiced types who's forever detecting other people's prejudices, I suspected they might be yet another right wing gang set up to whinge incessantly about the 'Liberal Media Conspiracy'. But they do appear to be legit.

    However their findings also seem to be rather more nuanced than Ice reports. Surprise surprise.

    They’re at http://www.journalism.org/node/13307

    Some major findings

    "One question likely to be posed is whether these findings provide evidence that the news media are pro-Obama. Is there some element in these numbers that reflects a rooting by journalists for Obama and against McCain, unconscious or otherwise? The data do not provide conclusive answers."

    "Press treatment of Obama has been somewhat more positive than negative, but not markedly so."

    "Obama's coverage was negative in tone when he was dropping in the polls, and became positive when he began to rise, and it was just so for McCain as well. Nor are these numbers different than what we have seen before. Obama’s numbers are similar to what we saw for John Kerry four years ago as he began rising in the polls, and McCain's numbers are almost identical to what we saw eight years ago for Democrat Al Gore."

    One of the most important issues they raise, which the Republicans prefer to avoid - if the media are critical of McCain, is it because of 'bias' - or just because he's running a bad campaign. To my mind the study strongly suggests that the media don't so much cause each candidate's popularity as reflect it.

    As I recall, the media gave plenty of coverage to Republican propaganda that eg Al Gore said he invented the Internet - and a relatively easy ride to his opponent, that intellectual giant, GWB.

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  • 302. At 7:04pm on 28 Oct 2008, Simon21 wrote:

    "261. At 5:19pm on 28 Oct 2008, icetayoa wrote:
    enjoy this from politico website. its them admitting bias in the media's reporting of the US election.

    The Project for Excellence in Journalism?s researchers found that John McCain, over the six weeks since the Republican convention, got four times as many negative stories as positive ones. The study found six out of 10 McCain stories were negative.

    What?s more, Obama had more than twice as many positive stories (36 percent) as McCain ? and just half the percentage of negative (29 percent).

    You call that balanced?"


    Er how to explain. Lets try

    This statistic if it is true maybe because there are more negative stories about John McCain than Barak Obama.

    EG Al Capone gets more negative coverage than Franklin Roosevelt. Le Pen gets more negative stories then Sarkozy.

    It really is very simple you know.

    Grow up a little and rerad a bit on what news is.

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  • 303. At 7:07pm on 28 Oct 2008, british-ish wrote:

    268. watermanaquarius.

    Well in this case, Wikipedia is not entirely accurate; it is the 'eve' of All Saints' Day and it is the day, not the Walpurgisnacht of the night before that is a holiday in much of Europe, especially those countries which have a large Catholic population, though not in Britain.

    It's pagan. Unashamedly. (We know that where I come from: google 'Pendle Witches'.) Now that makes me wonder: did that 150,00 dollar wardrobe include a black pointy hat, by any chance? And if it didn't isn't that demonstrably un-American behaviour?

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  • 304. At 7:17pm on 28 Oct 2008, Stephen Derry wrote:

    261/icetoya

    Suppose you have a hypothetically neutral media.

    Now suppose you have one candidate who keeps doing stupid things, and another candidate who does smart things. Stupid and smart are subjective of course, but we can probably think of hypothetical examples we can all agree. Candidate A insists on dropping his pants at every rally, while Candidate B cures sick people.

    Do you think they are going to get exactly the same balance of negative/positive coverage? Are the media expected to overlook mediocrity to create a false impression of equal capability?

    The media will always be biased against whichever campaign sucks the most. I'm kind of flabbergasted that 40% of the stories written about John McCain have found something positive to say!

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  • 305. At 7:19pm on 28 Oct 2008, aquarizonagal wrote:

    To#260Xieming

    "War is not healthy for children and other living things"

    I believe that there is a special, not very pleasant place, reserved for those who would use war to gain power or political advantage.

    In my opinion there is no such concept as "an acceptable level of loss" or another phrase I particularly dislike, "collateral damage."

    Dead is dead and one is a very only and sad number when a family is grieving.

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  • 306. At 7:20pm on 28 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    NYT on Polls and aggregation thereof

    "WASHINGTON — The 2008 presidential campaign, now almost two years old, may be the most polled election in history, leading to the creation, and the increasing popularity, of Web sites that aggregate and average each day’s wave of new polls so voters do not have to."
    Nate Silver gets in a word or two...

    Peace and statistics
    ed

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  • 307. At 7:23pm on 28 Oct 2008, DougTexan wrote:

    For myself I find that his discription (the writer of: Do Obama Worshipers understand English)[Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]quite funny as the shear ignorance of his blind followers is unsurmountable.

    I understand why all you non Americans love Obama, you hate America. It's the Americans that by into your praise of this man and have listened to your subversive hate speech of McCain.

    Add together your antisemite leanings and wella, no more Israel with Obama. And you'll all be happy that the jews suffer once again, heck Palistians have suffered long enough.

    Your sad

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  • 308. At 7:23pm on 28 Oct 2008, MagicKirin wrote:

    As far as Stevens going to jail

    I tend to doubt it, even without the appeal.

    After Nov 4 it is pardon season.

    And before the Bush Bashers go ballistic. Can anyone of you complain when Bill Clinton pardoned Mark Rich?

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  • 309. At 7:23pm on 28 Oct 2008, oldnat wrote:

    I like the map on Pollster.com

    It has such pretty colours, in such a nice ratio.

    Also its logo resembles 2 speeding squirrels chasing nuts.

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  • 310. At 7:30pm on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    #261 Ice
    "The Project for Excellence in Journalism?s researchers found that John McCain, over the six weeks since the Republican convention, got four times as many negative stories as positive ones. The study found six out of 10 McCain stories were negative.

    What?s more, Obama had more than twice as many positive stories (36 percent) as McCain ? and just half the percentage of negative (29 percent)."


    And your point is ...?

    Perhaps McCain's campaign was twice as negative, and gave the media little in the way of actual policy .... just alot of mudslinging.

    And Obama's campaign was positive, well thought out and thus received more favourable media.

    It is not the media's job to give exactly the same play to each candidate, whether they deserve it or not.
    Had McCain actually revealed some genuine policy and not picked a laughing stock as VP, perhaps he'd have got more positive coverage.

    Peace and policies

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  • 311. At 7:32pm on 28 Oct 2008, Joland wrote:

    If there is some underground surge brewing is likely a republican plot. I don't like to sound like a conspiracy theorist but every poll puts Obama well ahead. Every video show Obama rallies taking up multiple city blocks, whereas McCain rallies barely seem to fill small arenas! If McCain wins it's electronic voting machine fraud, or something they have planned (like news in the war on terror released the day before the election.) If Obama didn't have 52% in polls with the majority of the 9% undecided voters leaning his way McCain could legitimately win. But if Obama loses I can only imagine that there will be serious issues McCain will have to face when people protest the injustice.

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  • 312. At 7:34pm on 28 Oct 2008, john-In-Dublin wrote:

    Think I pointed out a day or 2 ago that politicians behind in the polls always say [a] their own polls tell a different story and [b] 'remember Harry Truman'

    Evidence is here - from the Democrats in 88

    http://www.reason.com/blog/show/129680.html

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  • 313. At 7:39pm on 28 Oct 2008, RedWhiteandermblue wrote:

    Many if not most Americans have a visceral aversion to giving money to the poor. You tend to hear they'll just waste it on drugs or some other dissolute activity.

    I wonder how many of them manage to take their handouts, go billions of dollars into debt, and sink the world economic system, like the rich do?

    In fact simply giving out money to the poor is a very sensible way of stimulating the economy. Much more sensible than our usual practice of giving it to the rich, anyway.

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  • 314. At 7:39pm on 28 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    261, IceT.

    "What?s more, Obama had more than twice as many positive stories (36 percent) as McCain ? and just half the percentage of negative (29 percent). You call that balanced?"

    Has it occurred to you that there are a larger number of favorable stories about Obama because he is the better candidate? Are journalists supposed to make up negative stories about him to be "fair"? I would call that "unfair."

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  • 315. At 7:41pm on 28 Oct 2008, Mike Mullen wrote:

    #265 Icetayao:


    "What?s more, Obama had more than twice as many positive stories (36 percent) as McCain ? and just half the percentage of negative (29 percent).

    You call that balanced?"

    Yes, because Journalists should strive to report EACH STORY in a balanced manner, not sit around saying "well we had a negative Republican yesterday so we can't cover another one until we get a negative Democrat one?" Oh wait that's probably exactly what you think, only you don't think they should have reported the Republican story in the first place. If you want to blame anyone for the preponderance of negative Republican stories blame John McCain for running an inept campaign.

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  • 316. At 7:43pm on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    David_Cunard (#270), I think you are correct that the networks now wait until all the polls have closed. On reflection, however, it seems to me that this policy may have become moot due to the efficiency of the World Wide Web. Every television station has a web site, so some enterprising blogger will no doubt keep an eye on the web sites of major tv stations in each state, and produce a running total of electoral votes for all to see.

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  • 317. At 7:50pm on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    246. DameMargaretThatcher wrote:
    "Oh the joy of seeing that lying socialist drag his roman columns back to Chicago! If God truly blesses America (And I think he does!) Please let it be so."


    If God truly blesses America (and I think he does!) ..... YOU think he does. Well, that's that then!

    The overwhelming arrogance of this statement appals me.

    Can we substitute the words "Allah" and "Saudi Arabia" (for example) or "Krishna" and "India".

    If you'd been born somewhere else, you'd believe, no doubt just as strongly, in a different god.

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  • 318. At 7:57pm on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    #289 MisterB1949 wrote:
    "Thankfully this "land of the free" is blessed by a goodly number of its citizens who have faith in the Lord to control things. "


    Has the Lord been on holiday for the last few months? Or perhaps he was on strike?

    Faith is lovely, but back in the real world I think some substance from a politician would be preferable.

    peace

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  • 319. At 8:03pm on 28 Oct 2008, oldnat wrote:

    289 MisterB1949

    "Thankfully this "land of the free" is blessed by a goodly number of its citizens who have faith in the Lord to control things."

    Seems a bit of a waste of time having "free and fair" elections then - oh, I forgot, you don't.

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  • 320. At 8:04pm on 28 Oct 2008, middlecroony wrote:

    misterb1949

    please leave god out of it. what does he have to do w/ any of it?

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  • 321. At 8:08pm on 28 Oct 2008, U12831485 wrote:

    252, aquarizonagal wrote:
    ??The numbers should be:??More than 4000 American and coalition troops killed and over 1,000,000 dead in all.??But what do numbers matter? When we lost our youngest child to this war, one was the only number that mattered to us.

    ____

    Bravo !

    Many people tend to forget how looking at the 'big picture' distorts one's views on reality.

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  • 322. At 8:10pm on 28 Oct 2008, Joao Coelho wrote:

    I uset to think McCain was an honest man until i saw him sell his soul to the devil. But with regard to the internal polls, whether true or not, it is quite possiblie that McCain would win; however, i truly believe that he won't because he sold his soul to the devil. In addition and more important, this man son of admirals is waging a campaing not of an admiral but of a sailor. And that "my friends" is going to do him in. That's my story and i will stick to it until november 4th.

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  • 323. At 8:10pm on 28 Oct 2008, selfevidenttruths wrote:

    Dave 270, thanks for adding to Gary's comments.

    Doug 283, I trust we'll see you back soon. Nothing wrong with reasonable debate.

    Brtish-ish 278 LIV's, apparently about 60%!
    Plenty of nuts, not much redistribution, hibernation sounds good.

    On media bias: when I was much younger and somewhat to the left of where I am now, it seemed to me that the media were terribly biased towards the right, now it seems somewhat different, but I think that is me. I now seek out news sources which (in my mind at least) provide me with enough information to come to a reasoned judgement. This usually requires reading a range of papers, and listening to/watching a range of programs from the broadcast media. There will always be organizations with 'agendas', it is up to us as free citizens to be aware, and to come to independent judgement. That sounded good did'n't it, now back to FOX - sorry guys I know that is a treacherous thing for a squirrel ; )

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  • 324. At 8:16pm on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    John-in-Dublin (#292), your observation about the networks and polls is correct (I think). Many other countries (e.g. Canada) may restrict polling or the release of poll data near elections as well, but we can't do it in the US without conflicting with our First Amendment (to the US Constitution) freedom of speech and press.

    As for the fighting spirit of the French, it is common sport in the US to denigrate them on this account. My opinion is that the French Resistance were as brave as any other ally during WWII.

    What was the contribution of the Republic of Ireland to the defeat of the axis powers?

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  • 325. At 8:19pm on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    "There is no formal rule barring felons from serving in Congress, so if he wins he could stay in the Senate, unless his fellow senators vote to expel him by a two-thirds vote."

    So a felon can't vote in the election, but can stand for office.
    If there were fewer contradictions we foreigners would be less confused. Why Americans are not up in arms about this is beyond me.

    Quote is from article re Sen. Stephens conviction
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7694209.stm

    Peace

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  • 326. At 8:20pm on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    british-ish (#293), I don't think so. Ted Stevens was in the Senate, which is in Washington, D. C. When McCain (or anyone else) refers to "Washington," he means the Congress.

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  • 327. At 8:21pm on 28 Oct 2008, bk9061 wrote:

    selfevidenttruths
    Voter fraud

    "I would have thought that after the debacle of 2000 these issues would have been addressed."

    they have addressed; the republican now plant ideas of voter fraud on the dems so they can retort any
    allegations.

    Xie

    Syria

    This incident is a sad reflection on our society. Politicians use opaque ideology; war on terror/regime change to justify the death of innocent people. It is one thing when it is in a war-zone (the justification of which is another debate) but this is no more than an assassination, one in which the US Government (+ allies) are not held accountable. one mechanism of accountability through the media is sadly impotent. It’s another one to put on the to-do list for the Hague. I would
    On a side note this highlights why the commonly used term “support of our troops” just doesn’t cut it. Is there a difference in saying that and sanctioning these killings?


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  • 328. At 8:23pm on 28 Oct 2008, oldnat wrote:

    #303 british-ish

    "did that 150,00 dollar wardrobe include a black pointy hat, by any chance?"

    Silly question. She must already have her own (even if it's from Wal-Mart).

    Does she have a squirrel as a familiar?

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  • 329. At 8:25pm on 28 Oct 2008, Cassandra wrote:

    McCain has said that he can "guarantee" a win.

    If there's a fix in, maybe he can. It looks as if it's happened before. Voters reported that no matter who they tried to vote for in the last election, the screens came up "Bush" plus the machines didn't give them a printout of their choices. And who owned the company that made the machines? (Naming no names: a super conservative.) And they wouldn't even have to fiddle voting machines in very many states, just certain ones to make sure no matter how many votes come in for Obama, that the electoral college goes Republican.

    Look for more scare tactics between now and Tuesday too. Scared people get quite conservative in their views. As a recent Newsweek piece noted: "We are more irrational than rational; emotions drive voting behavior...."

    People keep asking how we could have voted for Bush. Most of us didn't.

    I just hope that come 5th November, these same people won't be asking us how we could have voted for McCain.

    On a more hopeful note, where I live we vote by mail and about 65% of us have already turned in our ballots. Most of us hand-carried them instead of putting them in the mail.



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  • 330. At 8:30pm on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    #308 MagicKirin wrote:
    "As far as Stevens going to jail I tend to doubt it, even without the appeal.
    After Nov 4 it is pardon season.
    And before the Bush Bashers go ballistic. Can anyone of you complain when Bill Clinton pardoned Mark Rich?"


    Magic. Hello. I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with you. I don't see Stevens going anywhere near a cell - although whether he'll resign is another matter.

    The idea of outgoing Presidents using federal pardons as favours in the post-election pre-changeover period is outrageous.
    Bill Clinton did it, and many people lost respect for him.

    However the past is past, but lessons should be learned. Rather than just say "Oh, but Clinton did it too" should not all right-thinking Americans being saying that this goes beyond party politics and is no longer acceptable.

    Who else do we think that Bush might let out?

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  • 331. At 8:31pm on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    MK (#308), some of us who think WJ Clinton was a pretty good president, nevertheless think "pardongate" was an outrageous abuse of the powers of the office.

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  • 332. At 8:36pm on 28 Oct 2008, MagicKirin wrote:

    ref #304

    There might be some merit to your theory, except that in 2000 Gore ran a terrible campaign and in 2004 so did Kerry.

    Yet the news coverage was biased in favor of them.

    When Dan Rather of National Guard fame says the media is biased against McCain there is a problem

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  • 333. At 8:39pm on 28 Oct 2008, john-In-Dublin wrote:

    # 304 StephenDerry wrote:

    "Candidate A insists on dropping his pants at every rally, while Candidate B cures sick people."

    Well of course Candidate B (for Barack) cures sick people. He's the Messiah!

    As for Candidate A (for McCAin) - gosh, I hadn't realised the senility had got that bad.

    Naturally, you won't find any media coverage of the child-curing or the pants-dropping

    Well - what can you expect from that ol' rightwing, conservative, Republican Mainstream Media?

    :-)


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  • 334. At 8:39pm on 28 Oct 2008, U12831485 wrote:

    261. At 5:19pm on 28 Oct 2008, icetayoa wrote:

    enjoy this from politico website. its them admitting bias in the media's reporting of the US election.The study found six out of 10 McCain stories were negative.??etc. ...
    You call that balanced?

    ______

    Considering the tone and content of the GOP campaign, I for one call it appropriate .

    Have you watched some of McCain's and Palin's recent speeches, and compared them to public appearances of Obama and Biden ?

    All of them do their sneaky spiel, it's politics after all, but just watch how either party is working the crowds, how people react.

    The GOP candidates are mainly negative, borderline offensive even.
    While O+B are using criticism of their opponents sparely and stress the importance of unity, M+P's strategy seems to be mainly based on vague attacks.

    Those continuous attacks, I believe, can only be described as deliberate slander.

    I admit I'm biased.
    But even a nonpartisan witness might find Palin's statements in public, and some of McCain's, are hard to distinguish from downright lieing and incitement of the people .

    Seriously, in my opinion at least Palin should be prosecuted for what she's doing, that's way beyond the limits of free speech.

    _____

    Shocked - Fritz K.

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  • 335. At 8:40pm on 28 Oct 2008, U12831485 wrote:

    261, icetayoa wrote:

    enjoy this from politico website. its them admitting bias in the media's reporting of the US election.??The study found six out of 10 McCain stories were negative.??etc. ...
    ?You call that balanced?

    ______

    Considering the tone and content of the GOP campaign, I for one call it appropriate .

    Have you watched some of McCain's and Palin's recent speeches, and compared them to public appearances of Obama and Biden ?

    All of them do their sneaky spiel, it's politics after all, but just watch how either party is working the crowds, how people react.

    The GOP candidates are mainly negative, borderline offensive even.
    While O and B are using criticism of their opponents sparely and stress the importance of unity, M and P's strategy seems to be mainly based on vague attacks.

    Those continuous attacks, I believe, can only be described as deliberate slander.

    I admit I'm biased.
    But even a nonpartisan witness might find Palin's statements in public, and some of McCain's, are hard to distinguish from downright lieing and incitement of the people .

    Seriously, in my opinion at least Palin should be prosecuted for what she's doing, that's way beyond the limits of free speech.

    _____

    Shocked - Fritz K.

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  • 336. At 8:42pm on 28 Oct 2008, U12831485 wrote:

    261, icetayoa wrote:

    enjoy this from politico website. its them admitting bias in the media's reporting of the US election.The study found six out of 10 McCain stories were negative.

    etc. ...

    You call that balanced?

    ______

    Considering the tone and content of the GOP campaign, I for one call it appropriate .

    Have you watched some of McCain's and Palin's recent speeches, and compared them to public appearances of Obama and Biden ?

    All of them do their sneaky spiel, it's politics after all, but just watch how either party is working the crowds, how people react.

    The GOP candidates are mainly negative, borderline offensive even.
    While O and B are using criticism of their opponents sparely and stress the importance of unity, M and P's strategy seems to be mainly based on vague attacks.

    Those continuous attacks, I believe, can only be described as deliberate slander.

    I admit I'm biased.
    But even a nonpartisan witness might find Palin's statements in public, and some of McCain's, are hard to distinguish from downright lieing and incitement of the people .

    Seriously, in my opinion at least Palin should be prosecuted for what she's doing, that's way beyond the limits of free speech.

    _____

    Shocked - Fritz K.

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  • 337. At 8:43pm on 28 Oct 2008, Pancha Chandra wrote:

    Real hope is precious and renews one's energy but misplaced hope is deluding oneself to the extreme! McCain's supporters seem to be very far from true reality. As the clock ticks and as McCain's presidential hopes recede, bravado seems to be the only option left for his supporters. Obama is taking the good tidings with growing confidence as his political star shines with glowing intensity. The Democrat is a real breath of fresh air.

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  • 338. At 8:53pm on 28 Oct 2008, David Cunard wrote:

    #289. MisterB1949:
    Justin, I have read a few of your pieces and, frankly, as a Brit who came to America 5 years ago, I perceive a little left wing bias there. That is unsurprising, given that the UK media is supportive of socialism these days, if not always the individual politicians that represent it.

    Now, exactly what parts of the UK media are supporting "socialism" these days? Not even The Daily Mirror would return the country to the policies of the Attlee government and its successors. That was socialism and it didn't work.

    But I cannot understand why so many of the elite media, yourself included, seem to be convinced by Senator Obama. This is the guy about whom we actually know very little. Is it not the media's job to ask questions about his associations, the lack of material about his time in college, his views on abortion, his foreign policy views?

    What's with this "elite media" designation? Sounds very much like the opinion of Bill O'Reilly who uses the phrase to describe any publication with which he disagrees. And Mr Obama has been scrutinized, unless of course you live somewhere that has no papers, no TV and no radio.

    I have no idea if these polls are right - there is only one that truly matters and we all know that they have gotten it wrong in the past, in the UK too. But if we end up with a socialist President and Cogres with a Democrat mandate, God help us.

    But He will. Thankfully this "land of the free" is blessed by a goodly number of its citizens who have faith in the Lord to control things. As it says in Prverbs 21:1, the king's heart will be in His hand - and that goes for Presidents, too.


    The Lord isn't going to control anything, least of all the General Election. Even if there was a deity, ever heard of 'free-will'?

    On a different blog you posted Maybe someone can tell me how much less I will get for living overseas. I call it daylight robbery. This is one of those "heads they win, tails I lose" situations. If you like it so much in Britain, why not just move back, or if you prefer it here in the US, renounce your British domicile. You really can't live in two countries at once.

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  • 339. At 8:53pm on 28 Oct 2008, Cassandra wrote:

    Dear Dame (246):

    So you think "If God blesses America" that he'll choose the President. Well, you might as well stay home and let Him put in the fix.

    But if Obama wins you'll either have to think:

    1. God is displeased with us and did NOT bless America - or else is powerless to affect the outcome of the election.

    OR

    2. God wants Obama to be President and you'd be defying His will if you opposed the election results.

    Puts ya' in a bind either way, eh? God only knows what Pat (hurricane Katrina) Robertson will have to say.

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  • 340. At 8:54pm on 28 Oct 2008, MidnightJunkie wrote:

    I'd like to add a few thoughts to this
    ?debate? about who the best candidate for POTUS and VPOTUS is.

    Here in the Philippines(That former U.S colony in the Pacific?), we've had our share of not-quite-so-good Presidents, and the current one is no better, in fact much worse than all the others combined.

    In my opinion, STRENGTH OF CHARACTER is the most important attribute that a U.S. President must possess. I'ts much important than experience and intelligence combined, although I'm not ruling out these two as well. But what is strength of character? I didn't specifically state force of character, which might remind the british of Maggie Thatcher.

    An ability to rise above the pettiness of smear politics is a good example. Also the ability to focus on the issues that really matter.

    Question is, which candidate is it?

    4:53am, I hope someone doesnt call me a meddling gook for this, I might resent that.

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  • 341. At 8:55pm on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    selfevidenttruths (#323), I am in total agreement with your exposition of the necessity of consulting a variety of sources in order to make an informed judgment, rather than relying on the one source presenting views most closely resembling my own.

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  • 342. At 8:56pm on 28 Oct 2008, U13651376 wrote:

    You're kidding me, right? God blesses America...and continues to bless America, every single day!

    It's a Utopia here. I just wake up every morning and thank God that I'm not French.

    Even Tony Blair loves America - He's a few miles away teaching at Yale at the moment. Though quite why anyone would pay to listen to that plonker is beyond me.

    Now toodle pip, old chap! get back on your nationalized railway with it's rock hard meat pies and warm beer.

    Best,

    Lady Thatcher

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  • 343. At 9:01pm on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    RomeStu (#325), actually, a convicted felon can vote in Alaska after serving the sentence and when probation is completed.

    http://www.elections.alaska.gov/voting.php

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  • 344. At 9:03pm on 28 Oct 2008, exserviceman wrote:

    I found this quite moving. Its about the Democratic caucus voting in 2008.


    http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com

    You need to be patient, as the sound is not good. If you care about democracy at all, watch this.

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  • 345. At 9:05pm on 28 Oct 2008, SaintDominick wrote:

    Ref 326

    "When McCain (or anyone else) refers to "Washington," he means the Congress."

    Indeed, when McCain talks about cleaning up Washington he is talking about the entity and system of government he has been an integral part of for over two decades. No matter how hard he tries to distance himself from Washington and the Bush Administration the fact is that he is part of the system, has boasted about it and, therefore, he is part of the problem he is alluding to.

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  • 346. At 9:09pm on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    #324 Gary
    "What was the contribution of the Republic of Ireland to the defeat of the axis powers?"

    I agree with much of what you write, but this is a cheap shot.

    The Irish Free State gained full independence from Britain in 1937 and changed it's name to Eire.
    As a small, relatively poor and new country it would have been very unusual to immediately throw in with it's old master.

    However huge numbers of Irish volunteers joined the British Army (I have heard up to 150,000 - maybe someone can confirm this).

    Americans get upset when the actions of their government are used to tar them all .... please don't do it to the Irish. They have a very complicated and badly misunderstood history.

    Peace and Guinness

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  • 347. At 9:13pm on 28 Oct 2008, SaintDominick wrote:

    Ref 332

    "When Dan Rather of National Guard fame says the media is biased against McCain there is a problem"

    The media has shown bias towards McCain, but that bias has been in his favor not against him. His POW confession has been glossed over, his behavior while at the Naval Academy has been dismissed, the fatal car accident he was involved in has been ignored, his adulterous behavior and dumping of his handicapped first wife has been ignored, his bad temper has not been highlighted, his Sunni/Shiite and Iraq/Afghanistan border gaffes were trivialized and attributed to campaign fatigue, his bouts with religious leaders, in fact, everything he does or says is either ignored or trivialized.

    Contrast his treatment with Obama's the pseudo terrorist, socialist, communist, liar, Arab, Muslim, radical Christian...heck he is even a black man...imagine that!

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  • 348. At 9:18pm on 28 Oct 2008, RedWhiteandermblue wrote:

    "Thankfully this "land of the free" is blessed by a goodly number of its citizens who have faith in the Lord to control things. "

    Most theologians emphasize that while God certainly exists, He has left us to determine our own fates through the exercise of our free will.

    In the beautiful words of one of the advisers of Phillip II:

    "The Lord will tire of working miracles for us."

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  • 349. At 9:27pm on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    RomeStuu (#325), in Alaska, a candidate for public office must be an eligible voter:

    http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/Statutes/Title15/Chapter25/Section030.htm

    So, once Stevens becomes inelegible to vote, he will become ineligible to stand for office. I don't think he will become ineligible to vote until he is sentenced, which will be after the election.

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  • 350. At 9:31pm on 28 Oct 2008, Reuben34g wrote:

    The Democrats, enjoying a lead in the polls and seeing their savior on TV all the time, are convinced that they have this election in the bag.

    Why are they are coming up with excuses for if they should loose?

    There is one scenario that the Democrats have come up with, that I think can give you some clear insight into their twisted worldview: they are saying they could lose because of - get this -'Low Information Voters'.

    That's what they are calling those of us who they think are just too stupid for self determination. Just because we aren't listening to their chatter, taking their sinister robo-calls or participating in their polls.

    The Obama campaign is spending hundreds of millions of dollars on commercials and even half-hour paid programing slots, and here we are using DVR to skip right over the commercials.

    But by far the silliest excuse they've come up with so far is the notion that the republicans are running voting-machine corporations will somehow rig the machines to cheat.

    How outrageous that we Americans should dare to think for ourselves instead of being brain-washed by the liberally biased media.

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  • 351. At 9:32pm on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    #342 Maggie
    "Now toodle pip, old chap! get back on your nationalized railway with it's rock hard meat pies and warm beer."


    Maggie my poor old dear, I think you're losing it. The railways in Britain have been privatised for a number of years now ....
    .... can you remember who did it?

    Bed and cocoa for you.

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  • 352. At 9:32pm on 28 Oct 2008, watermanaquarius wrote:

    Ed # 294
    Probably wrong, but it sounds a lot like the BBCs' old "Quatermass Experiment" music.
    A sci-fi television piece. +/_ 1952. Later a Hammer horror movie. " Thingys" like large peanuts falling over the countryside being shot out of a refurbished oil plant. Lots of Slime, Gas, smoke - early Flash Gordon rockets on "invisible" rope cable stuttering through space. Every note tells a story? Very same old- same old comparisons between the old and new!
    Good music I agree but am not a connoisseur who can tell you the composers name unfortunately.

    british-ish # 303
    Thanks for the good info. Guessed YOU would be a wiz at spotting witches in or with the wardrobe, and me "lyin" to
    compose a nightmare story.., with we hope a positive ending for all.
    If Florida would only succeed or secede this time around to maintain the balance in case Alaska later falls away !

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  • 353. At 9:37pm on 28 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    #343 and 349 - Gary.
    Thanks for the clarification/explanation.

    However to an outsider it is bizarre that a convicted felon is permitted to remain in his office.

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  • 354. At 9:38pm on 28 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    RomeStu (#346), thank you for your history lesson. I am aware that the Irish have had some differences with the English, and I mean no offense. In fact, I occasionally have a Tullamore's Dew with an Irish immigrant in my favorite watering hole.

    On the subject of Ireland, McCain likes to point out the very low taxes paid by Irish businesses. It got me to wondering what is the size of the Irish Navy, Air Force, and standing Army? I expect as the Republic of Ireland is not a NATO member, these are rather small.

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  • 355. At 9:45pm on 28 Oct 2008, Cassandra wrote:

    #347

    I agree that there's a strong pro-McCain bias by the media. What else could explain why we hear so little about his sometimes iffy personal life and only hear his (and a few pal's) version of his military career.

    The Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain site says he's "an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media."

    http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/



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  • 356. At 9:59pm on 28 Oct 2008, Old-Man-Mike wrote:

    To Ed Iglehart 186

    Thanks Ed for the link to Firefox. I have downloaded it and indeed am usinging at the moment. I have yet to find the Spell Check but I guess I will soon.

    Are they bluffing? Guess not but maybe a bit of wishfull thinking. We will all know on the 5th.

    As every expert, analysist and forecaster is getting what is going on wrong how can we who are not any of these get what is going to happen right.

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  • 357. At 10:05pm on 28 Oct 2008, Jackturk wrote:

    For election comment see this:-
    www.theyoungturks.com

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  • 358. At 10:08pm on 28 Oct 2008, plonktrolls wrote:

    Happy Halloween Johnny Mac!

    October Fright Fest:
    here , here , and HERE!

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  • 359. At 10:13pm on 28 Oct 2008, Mike Mullen wrote:

    #350 Reuben34g:

    "The Democrats, enjoying a lead in the polls and seeing their savior on TV all the time, are convinced that they have this election in the bag.

    Why are they are coming up with excuses for if they should loose?"

    Alas you misunderstand its simply to ensure that Obama supporters are sufficiently anxious about the result to actually get out and vote. Obama's only really opponent is apathy, John McCain ceased to be an issue weeks ago.

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  • 360. At 10:23pm on 28 Oct 2008, Mike Mullen wrote:

    A quick excerpt from an article over at fivethirtyeight.com:


    "As is our usual custom, we stopped into the state headquarters for both campaigns, in Raleigh. We went to the Republican HQ first, and as we suspected, it was almost entirely empty of workers. The large room holding many tables of sophisticated phones had two lonely women sitting together making dials. It was Saturday in the early evening, with college football playing on the dial room's TV. Georgia comfortably led LSU in a game the Bulldogs eventually won.

    No communications people were there to talk to, but what was there to say about the ground effort? With ten days to go in a pure tossup state, two dialers? In the HQ? What comment could spin that?"

    Well I suspect i know the answer to that last question but seriously does this sound like a campaign that still thinks it can win?

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  • 361. At 10:25pm on 28 Oct 2008, Xie_Ming wrote:

    At 7:19pm on 28 Oct 2008, aquarizonagal wrote:
    To#260Xieming

    "War is not healthy for children and other living things"

    I believe that there is a special, not very pleasant place, reserved for those who would use war to gain power or political advantage.

    In my opinion there is no such concept as "an acceptable level of loss" or another phrase I particularly dislike, "collateral damage."

    Dead is dead and one is a very only and sad number when a family is grieving."

    _______________________

    How many innocents killed justify the assassination of one wanted person? 1000?
    100? 5?

    The question is to force a little analysis on those who would prefer to avoid it.

    There are two eyewitnesses to the attack inside Syria and one unattributed leak from
    Washington.

    My usual Bible Belt log posters claim witnesses are not to be believed, that people get killed in war and that everybody in Syria is a terrorist anyway!

    If that is the preponderant American thought, then Ameica deserves what will happen to it!

    I strongly suspect that the incident was arrange to provoke a Syrian response (it was not so long ago that Washington stages an incident where Iranian rubber boats were said to be attacking a US warship.)

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  • 362. At 10:29pm on 28 Oct 2008, Reuben34g wrote:

    The constitution protects Senators, not to provide a haven for the corrupt, which Stevens clearly is, but to protect congress from undue influence by the other branches of government.

    The alternative would be elections stolen by politically motivated prosecutors or activist judges.

    If Stevens resigns before the election, his seat automatically goes to his challenger, a democrat. And the people of Alaska, who seem to prefer a convicted felon over a democrat, have no choice in the matter.

    Should he do the right thing and resign AFTER the November election, then Republicans have a chance to field a new candidate to run against a democrat.

    Uncontested or a one-party elections are how communists and dictators make a mockery of democracy.

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  • 363. At 10:43pm on 28 Oct 2008, seanspa wrote:

    At least Gordon Brown is keeping his eye on the pressing issue of the day.

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  • 364. At 10:44pm on 28 Oct 2008, Reuben34g wrote:

    Asascot #359:

    Apathy is more of a problem for McCain than for Obama.

    If conservatives weren't so apathetic towards McCain he'd have the money and an army of volunteers to match the Democrats.

    I myself only support McCain as the lesser of two evils.

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  • 365. At 10:45pm on 28 Oct 2008, ladycm wrote:

    # 66
    Maybe Condalezza is tired of doing a ridiculous amount of lying but, not likely.

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  • 366. At 10:47pm on 28 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    329, Nessie.

    Why would McCain say he guarantees a win? Because he is playing games with our heads. He is going to lose, unless he can get someone to declare war on us, in which case he might lose anyway.

    McCain never talks straight.

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  • 367. At 10:58pm on 28 Oct 2008, ladycm wrote:

    165. At 1:36pm on 28 Oct 2008, john-In-Dublin

    Thanks for the info. I do use word spell check sometimes. As it turns out, I have the potential to be a horrific speller. Damn Bill Gates.

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  • 368. At 10:58pm on 28 Oct 2008, john-In-Dublin wrote:

    # 324 Gary_A_Hill


    "As for the fighting spirit of the French, it is common sport in the US to denigrate them on this account. My opinion is that the French Resistance were as brave as any other ally during WWII.

    What was the contribution of the Republic of Ireland to the defeat of the axis powers?"

    'Cheese eating surrender monkeys' was a quote from The Simpsons, which was picked up and much repeated by the Right in the US. I thought that it was so well known as to not need explanation. I doubt that Matt Groening meant it as a comment on the martial qualities or otherwise of the French. I dare say he meant it humourously.

    You know - The Simpsons. That documentary series about that yellow family with four fingers on each hand.

    I'm sure the Resistance were v brave. Exactly how many French people were involved in it is a matter for some historical debate, I believe.

    As I think someone pointed out, the 'Republic of Ireland' did not exist during WW2. Its predecessor, The Irish Free State, remained neutral, for good or ill. As I hadn't been born, they chose not to consult me about this decision.

    If Japan had bombed us and Germany declared war on us, perhaps we would have been obliged to enter the war. As was the USA.

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  • 369. At 11:04pm on 28 Oct 2008, Mike Mullen wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 370. At 11:15pm on 28 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    309. oldnat.

    Very squirrely, assuming you have the same expression in England.

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  • 371. At 11:27pm on 28 Oct 2008, Mike Mullen wrote:

    "If conservatives weren't so apathetic towards McCain he'd have the money and an army of volunteers to match the Democrats.

    I myself only support McCain as the lesser of two evils."

    But then he would be more in the mould of Bush or Palin and he would lose the centre ground. The Republicans are in a trap of their own making. They've drifted to far to one extreme, and I know what you think of Obama but I suspect he is rather closer to Tony Blair than Karl Marx, of course I mean TB prior to the Gulf War.

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  • 372. At 11:27pm on 28 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    241, Jack.

    "Is there any point in elections when the machines are fixed? Why should the UN not observe these elections as they would with any other Countries fixed elections."

    Do you mean we have been living a lie? (Yeah, but we don't want anybody to know it.)

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  • 373. At 11:30pm on 28 Oct 2008, Stephen Derry wrote:

    Old White Man Runs For President. That's not news.

    Youthful Black Man Runs For President. Now that's news!

    This is why Obama gets so much media attention. It is also why Sarah Palin gets so much media attention (Redneck Hockey Mom Runs For Vice President), and why most of us have forgotton who Joe Biden is.

    The media report novelty. McCain and Biden are nothing new, Obama and Palin fascinate.

    That explains the imbalance in attention, the imbalance in positive reporting is usually put down to media bias. But Obama isn't putting a foot wrong, the worst the media could say about him is that he is surefootedly predictable, and the only thing he gives the media to talk about are boring old issues, and smooth oratory. But he is news, so they talk about it, and it comes across positively.

    Remember the media report news, not olds, which is why they are not interested in fossilizing stories about him from 2001 or 1997.

    Palin on the other hand is proving to be a gold-mine for comment with something new every single day - one day she can't remember which newspapers she reads, the next day she's complaining how everyone who lives in a big city isn't a Real American, the next day she's summoned to an enquiry, the next day she's wearing a £150,000 wardrobe, the next day she's disagreeing with her running mate over something else... she is giving the 24-hour news channels exactly what they want, something new to report on and dissect to pieces every day. Sadly for her most of it has come across as negative - even the stuff she thinks of as being positive - to everyone except her beloved conservative base. Even the most biased media don't need to try - look at Jon Stewart and Tina Fey getting laughs by just quoting her own words verbatim, without any commentary.

    Again, she suffers from the media preferring to report news than olds, because her history is possibly the strongest point in her favour - determined mom raising a family while rising to high political office and cleaning up corruption. That is a message of hope, of inspiration, and epitomises the American dream, equal to anything Obama offers, but instead of buttressing this image with a message of hope, she sews seeds of division and intolerance and generally gives the impression that she loves small-town religious folk who bomb abortion clinics, and couldn't give a stuff about anyone else.

    And the media report it all...

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  • 374. At 11:44pm on 28 Oct 2008, David Cunard wrote:

    #342. DameMargaretThatcher: "It's a Utopia here. I just wake up every morning and thank God that I'm not French.

    Even Tony Blair loves America. Now toodle pip, old chap! get back on your nationalized railway with it's rock hard meat pies and warm beer."

    Keep up with the times, dame, the railways have been privatised for many years, they don't serve "rock hard meat pies", the beer is chilled - and there is no apostrophe in it's. Neither history nor spelling seem to be your strong point.

    I feel sure the French are just as thankful that you are not one of them, had you been the entente cordiale would no longer be so.

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  • 375. At 11:53pm on 28 Oct 2008, somelilli wrote:

    The skinny kid with the funny name is gonna win. Surely people don't really want Sarah Palin going anywhere near the white house- she needs some education first.

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  • 376. At 11:53pm on 28 Oct 2008, oldnat wrote:

    #370 allmymarbles

    I have no idea if they use "Very squirrely" in England.

    Do you use it in Canada?

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  • 377. At 00:18am on 29 Oct 2008, seanspa wrote:

    oldnat, that's similar to my retort when asked if I'm australian - you canadians are no good at accents!

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  • 378. At 00:19am on 29 Oct 2008, oldnat wrote:

    #374 David_Cunard

    "Its" as a possessive has no apostrophe -

    The squirrel has its nuts.

    "It's" as a contraction for "it is" does -

    It's a shame that squirrel-kind is divided through disease.

    Pedantic oldnat

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  • 379. At 00:34am on 29 Oct 2008, Stephen Derry wrote:

    373 - I mean "sows" seeds of division. I don't want to imply that she should stick to her embroidery!

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  • 380. At 00:46am on 29 Oct 2008, ladycm wrote:

    #161:

    I think maybe it is not about blindly handing over money to those who have been shunned in American society but, giving people a chance. Those who are on the lower on the socio-economic ladder are repeatedly beat down. But who cares right? They will just keep commiting crimes against each other and we in America will keep ignoring it. They will keep getting crap education and that is okay. Many of these people have been failed by our system and they haven given up. Does anyone else see the correlation of lower crime rates in socialistic societies vs. our severely capitalistic system? I really believe this to be true; trickle down economics does not work. Period.

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  • 381. At 00:54am on 29 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Old Man Mike,

    For spell check go to edit/preferences/advanced and check the appropriate box.

    Then you can go here for your choice of dictionaries

    Peace and free software*
    ed

    * free as in free speech, freedom, and cost-free

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  • 382. At 01:18am on 29 Oct 2008, MagicKirin wrote:

    ref #372

    Since the U.S has been one of the main moral counters to the corruption of the U.N; why would anyone consider the U.N responsible to observe a U.S election?

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  • 383. At 01:25am on 29 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    John-in-Dublin (#368), I completely failed to recognize the expression as a quote from The Simpsons. I do know what that is, but I'm not a devotee. Sorry. But it is a real phenomenon that many in the US like to think we were the saviors of Europe while the French rolled over. In fact, the US was as unprepared as any European country to deal with the Nazis, but we had a huge advantage in geography, and a huge industrial capacity with time to convert it to war production.

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  • 384. At 01:38am on 29 Oct 2008, british-ish wrote:

    309, 370:

    all mymarbles: I'm not sure about squirrelly. More ferrety, I thought.

    (I've been ferreting about in the new post briefly myself, but I think I want to stay out of that one. They were going on about 'liberals' again when I looked. there was a nice joke about the need for 'building bridges', but it sort of fell between the cracks, I think.) I don't know about bridges, I'd like to see some people walking a plank, let alone a bridge, the way they keep repeating the same old stuff still.

    And no, I'm sticking with the Reds. Ferrets are a bit too red in tooth and claw for my liking, if you see what I mean.

    Do you know, I'm beginning to think I see a kind of resemblance in a certain politician . . .or would that be more rabbity? Both of them just seem to have been rabbiting themselves to very little purpose today.

    Neither have obviously been reading the business pages of the papers the last couple of weeks. I'm beginning to wonder if it's not only the moose hunter who doesn't read any . . .

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  • 385. At 01:45am on 29 Oct 2008, british-ish wrote:

    383. Gary_A_Hill

    You're not the only one. I never knew that was where it came from.

    I've never watched any. Matt Groening seems quite a liberal sort of guy from the odd snatches of interview I've seen; I wonder what he thought of the use it was put to?

    Well, we've read worse here, haven't we, the last couple of weeks? None of it as imaginative though.

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  • 386. At 02:01am on 29 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Not to forget the French won the Revolutionary War for us...

    Peace liberty egality and fraternity
    ed

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  • 387. At 02:06am on 29 Oct 2008, british-ish wrote:

    382. MagicKirin wrote:
    ref #372

    "Since the U.S has been one of the main moral counters to the corruption of the U.N; why would anyone consider the U.N responsible to observe a U.S election?"

    So one candidate or the other could simply bribe the to count in their favour; save all this mudslinging and be a lot cheaper than all this plane travel, hiring stadiums, paying people to make dirty phone calls and people to fiddle the computer software. And it could all be paid for in plain brown envelopes on the day.

    Obvious. I thought you of all people would have realised the benefits of the idea to the party you favour?

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  • 388. At 02:17am on 29 Oct 2008, Freakontheguitar wrote:

    Having pledged himself to the Republican cause, and having taken many millions in donations McCain has a moral obligation to fight until the bitter end. And as the opinion polls are against him I am not surprised that he denies the accuracy of those polls.

    Ultimately there is only one poll that counts and that is the one next week. If he loses that, he will quickly disappear into obscurity, and no one will hold his incorrect assessment of the opinion polls against him. And if he wins, he will surprise friend and foe with his expert insight. So he has nothing to lose in claiming that the opinion polls have it wrong.

    Whilst I don't like the McCain / Palin ticket and their campaign of negativity, I do applaud them for their fighting spirit. And let's not forget that they haven't lost the election yet. And that new developments between now and next Tuesday can swing a lot of voters around in a few moments.

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  • 389. At 02:30am on 29 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    384, ishish.

    Squirrely in Americanese means a little off in the upper story.

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  • 390. At 02:37am on 29 Oct 2008, Alaska-me-Hardplace wrote:

    #415 Gary_A_Hill (from last blog)

    Gary, I'm off for a few days and the last blog died rather quickly, so I thought I'd try to catch you here. What follows is a paste of my reply from there re:Stevens.

    Thanks for the explanation! I know they can't put all the details in a news article, but it seemed to be a much simpler situation.

    I guess my incredulity mostly comes from seeing these morally bankrupt so and so's getting away with the prize regardless of being found guilty for taking these bribes.

    Sort of like how a lot of Bush's buddies in Washington can be found guilty of crimes, and somehow the issue always fades to the background, and you never hear of any consequences for their actions.

    Or how I won't be surprised when the Wall Street CEO's come out of the economic debacle all shiny clean and flush with cash. I believe their salaries are already out of line with reality, even without 'bonuses'.

    I have a feeling that even if Stevens does get whacked from the Senate, that he'll still have his nice house and massage chair. If they won't make him do time, they should at least fine him the value of the bribe, or take the stuff back and let him sit in his old chair.

    I know in this case it's relatively small potatoes, but it is becoming ridiculous how these people seem to slide through the cracks. Like McCain/Keating. Bad judgement? Slap on the wrist? Make him give back the money!

    Maybe we can sic a herd(?) of squirrels on them at nut gathering time ('tis the season), and see who comes out singing soprano? I don't care what colour; the greys are bigger, so maybe they'll gather more nuts.

    Thanks again Gary,

    Jeff

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  • 391. At 02:45am on 29 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    373, Stephen.

    Nice dissection of the news business. It has nothing to do with fairness.

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  • 392. At 02:53am on 29 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    390, Alaska.

    You make it sound as though corruption were a Republican vice. It is a bipartisan enterprise. Remember the Clintons?

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  • 393. At 03:27am on 29 Oct 2008, BienvenueEnLouisiana wrote:

    And don't forget Congressman William Jefferson (D) of New Orleans and his freezer full of cash.

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  • 394. At 05:38am on 29 Oct 2008, british-ish wrote:

    389 allmymarbles wrote:
    384, ishish.

    "Squirrely in Americanese means a little off in the upper story."

    WHAT?!!!

    Oh dear oh dear. Separated by a common language again.
    The trouble is over here we just add a 'y' to signify 'like'. Or 'full of'. As in 'rainy'. Or 'ferrety'.

    I remember an American comedian writing about that: that if there was a group of Americans and Brits, locked in a dark cellar and someone opened the door and threw a sackful of snarling minks in, the Americans would yell "Get me mah lawyer! Ah'm gonna sue ya!" And the Brits would say "A bit minky in here, isn't it?"

    We of the Red Squirrel Party are very shocked, however, and are going to reach for our attorneys. This is squirrelism at its worst. Everyoneknows that the last thing squirrels are is lacking in the upper storey.

    We shall be moaning to the moderators, too. I never thought I would read such insinuations from you, of all people. Magic, the late Dame, that misbegotten philosopher-emperor, and that Spanish bloke, Sarah Palin, maybe . . . but . . . .

    I just heard another of those wretched rants on BBC Radio 5 Live. Endorsed by Elizabeth Dole. Hinting at a 'socialist tyranny' if both a Democratic President and majority Congress are elected.

    It barely seems comprehensible from here. You'd think it was the Shining Path that was engaged in this election from the way it sounded.

    I really do find myself muttering 'Nuremberg' to myself -- and I don't mean the one in Pennsylvania or whichever state it's in. And wondering what time the fire in the Capitol building is due to start. I and my friends, I'm afraid, increasingly just look at each other and shake our heads in disbelief.

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  • 395. At 05:48am on 29 Oct 2008, british-ish wrote:

    390. Alaska-me-Hardplace wrote:

    "a herd(?) of squirrels"

    I've been puzzling about that. Apparently it's a 'dray' (which I only thought was to do with breweries) or a 'scurry'. I quite like 'scurry'.

    And to change the consonants a little, the behaviour of Stevens and his colleagues looks 'scuzzy' to me.

    I'm amazed that some states disenfranchise citizens who have served a sentence, or paid a fine; and he can still not only fight an election, but end up still taking his seat. I don't care what the puristic legal position is that's been stated here. Morally, he should simply clear off. Anyway, he's what, 84? Isn't it about time he made way for, well, a more experienced, older man? What is the average age? 102?

    No wonder people talk of Obama as though he's a teenager at getting on for fifty. . .

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  • 396. At 06:40am on 29 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    394, ishish.

    The other day I heard a high-pitched racket coming from the kitchen. I went in to find a gray squirrel clinging to the window screen and screaming. He looked me straight in the eye and he was furious.

    My husband loves all wildlife and, being a creature of habit, feeds the squirrels peanuts at the same time every day. That day he was late.

    Who knew squirrels could scream.

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  • 397. At 06:47am on 29 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    ishish, squirrel admirer.

    The most beautiful squirrel I have ever seen is a gray squirrel with velvety black fur. I guess it is a mutation. I have only seen two so far. I am hoping they will take over.

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  • 398. At 06:47am on 29 Oct 2008, ladycm wrote:

    I would like to 2nd brit-ish for your completely sane comments. However, I feel the need to inform you... in America, we do not punish bad behavior we embrase it apparently. He is either 84 or 184 I cannot tell. He referred to the internet as "a series of tubes". Like it was a drive up teller window at a bank. God help us, please.

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  • 399. At 07:05am on 29 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    ishish.

    I thinkI am getting squirrely so I will say goodnight.

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  • 400. At 08:32am on 29 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    345 Gary
    "On the subject of Ireland, McCain likes to point out the very low taxes paid by Irish businesses."


    And McCain is right about Irish Business tax. The REpublic of Ireland's economy developed very quickly in the 1980s and 90s (known as the Celtic Tiger), due to 2 main factors - financial aid from the European Union, used for infrastructure (schools roads etc) and low business taxes to attract foreign businesses.

    McCain mentions it because alot of US businesses put their European HQ in Ireland. Clinton played on this ..... lots of Americans have Irish heritage, and also the golf is very good - an attractive prospect for directors..

    However Ireland is a country of not even 4 million people. It's military are very small - I guess they don't consider an invasion a likely prospect. I understand that many of their army were seen most prominently as extras in the film "Braveheart" .... which was of course filmed in Ireland!!!!

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  • 401. At 08:37am on 29 Oct 2008, RomeStu wrote:

    #362 reuben
    "If Stevens resigns before the election, his seat automatically goes to his challenger, a democrat. And the people of Alaska, who seem to prefer a convicted felon over a democrat, have no choice in the matter.

    Should he do the right thing and resign AFTER the November election, then Republicans have a chance to field a new candidate to run against a democrat."


    If Stevens resigns before the election then the Republicans should be able to field a clean stand-in.
    However I guess we'll have to wait to see what Stevens will do ..... place your bets.

    I don't know what it says for the people of Alaska that they prefer a criminal to a democrat.

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  • 402. At 09:59am on 29 Oct 2008, magnanimousrogera wrote:

    #396
    Re squirrels

    This brings to mind one winter on a visit several years ago to the UK I stayed with friends in delightful Virginia Water. It was snowing and each morning a tribe of squirrels (about 16 of them) would come and sit on the kitchen windowsill (a large plate glass window) and scream for their morning breakfast. It was only then that I knew that they could scream. Quite an amazing sound. Since then I have become a non-paying member of the Squirrel Party. Nutters in Congress and Parliament!!! Oh! I forgot, the nutters are already there. We squirrels have to change out diet!

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  • 403. At 10:00am on 29 Oct 2008, magnanimousrogera wrote:

    #396
    Re squirrels

    This brings to mind one winter on a visit several years ago to the UK I stayed with friends in delightful Virginia Water. It was snowing and each morning a tribe of squirrels (about 16 of them) would come and sit on the kitchen windowsill (a large plate glass window) and scream for their morning breakfast. It was only then that I knew that they could scream. Quite an amazing sound. Since then I have become a non-paying member of the Squirrel Party. Nutters in Congress and Parliament!!! Oh! I forgot, the nutters are already there. We squirrels have to change our diet!

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  • 404. At 10:22am on 29 Oct 2008, magnanimousrogera wrote:

    #396 allmymarbles
    Re squirrels

    This brings to mind one winter on a visit several years ago to the UK I stayed with friends in delightful Virginia Water. It was snowing and each morning a tribe of squirrels (about 16 of them) would come and sit on the kitchen windowsill (a large plate glass window) and scream for their morning breakfast. It was only then that I knew that they could scream. Quite an amazing sound. Since then I have become a non-paying member of the Squirrel Party. Nutters for Congress and Parliament!!! Oh! I forgot, the nutters are already there. We squirrels just have to change our diet!

    Back to the subject. I was an admirer and supporter of McCain until he chose "that one" as his VP. In my view, this was such a misjudgement that I subsequently googled McCain's background and discovered that there might be aspects to his character that could possibly seriously impact future US policy, not only in domestic matters, but also especially in foreign affairs. His history shows that he lacks a fundamentally sound judgement sense and this view was supported during the third Presidential dabate where his facial expressions showed quite clearly his difficulty in keeping himself under control. He looked as if he wanted to hit Obama.

    Furthermore, in total contrast, Obama's conduct during the debates and on the stump during his campaign when dealing with the difficult issues facing the US was and is one of calmness and clarity. It was following the third debate that I decided to give my support to Obama rather than McCain. McCain's campaign has no substance whatsoever and is an insult to the thinking American voters intelligence. No wonder he is behind in the polls.


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  • 405. At 10:24am on 29 Oct 2008, magnanimousrogera wrote:

    #396 allmymarbles
    Re squirrels

    This brings to mind one winter on a visit several years ago to the UK I stayed with friends in delightful Virginia Water. It was snowing and each morning a tribe of squirrels (about 16 of them) would come and sit on the kitchen windowsill (a large plate glass window) and scream for their morning breakfast. It was only then that I knew that they could scream. Quite an amazing sound. Since then I have become a non-paying member of the Squirrel Party. Nutters for Congress and Parliament!!! Oh! I forgot, the nutters are already there. We squirrels just have to change our diet!

    Back to the subject. I was an admirer and supporter of McCain until he chose "that one" as his VP. In my view, this was such a misjudgement that I subsequently googled McCain's background and discovered that there might be aspects to his character that could possibly seriously impact future US policy, not only in domestic matters, but also especially in foreign affairs. His history shows that he lacks a fundamentally sound judgement sense and this view was supported during the third Presidential dabate where his facial expressions showed quite clearly his difficulty in keeping himself under control. He looked as if he wanted to hit Obama.

    Furthermore, in total contrast, Obama's conduct during the debates and on the stump during his campaign when dealing with the difficult issues facing the US was and is one of common sense presented with calmness and clarity. It was following the third debate that I decided to give my support to Obama rather than McCain. McCain's campaign has no substance whatsoever and is an insult to the thinking American voters intelligence. No wonder he is behind in the polls.


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  • 406. At 10:34am on 29 Oct 2008, magnanimousrogera wrote:

    Re #402, 403, 404 and 405 above.

    My sincere apologies for the quadruple posting. I inadvertently pressed the send button before completing and editing my post.

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  • 407. At 10:39am on 29 Oct 2008, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    Our red squirrels have a considerable vocabulary, ranging from a 'chit-chit-chit' challenge "call" to a range of growly vocalisations from friendly to quite aggressively unfriendly. As with birdsong, once one knows the sounds, it's no longer necessary to see the individual to be pleased to note their presence...

    I thorougly deprecate the inference that they are in any way bereft of either sanity or intelligence and have noted considerable acrobatic courage. Strangely, their eyesight seems to be very good close-in, but less so at longer range, or perhaps they just don't pay attention beyond the immediate zone.

    Of course, I'm somewhat biased, preferring the typically Scottish ear tufts and red hair of my neighbours to the grey and bare-eared American tree rats.

    in squirrely siblinghood,
    ed

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  • 408. At 12:23pm on 29 Oct 2008, Sankari wrote:

    Post #289; MisterB1949 wrote: "But I cannot understand why so many of the elite media, yourself included, seem to be convinced by Senator Obama".

    I keep hearing this term "media elite". Can anyone tell me what it means? How are the media "elite"? Which media? In what way are they "elite"? How did they become "elite"? Is there a section of the media which is not "elite"? If so, who are they - and how do you tell the "elite" from the "non-elite"?

    I'm genuinely curious. Please answer all of my questions.

    "This is the guy about whom we actually know very little".

    What nonsense. Have you been living under a rock for the past 12 months?

    We know just about everything about Obama, from his birthdate to the colour of his underwear. He's written two books, one of which was deeply autobiographical. His political positions and policy statements have been freely available on the internet for the best part of a year.

    "Is it not the media's job to ask questions about his associations"

    Yes. And those questions were asked by the media. And after a great deal of investigation and discussion, the media's answer to its own questions was: "those associations are irrelevant".

    "the lack of material about his time in college"

    What "lack of material about his time in college"? What are you talking about?

    "his views on abortion"

    His views on abortion have been plainly and openly stated for all to see.

    I quote:

    >>
    In his write-in response to a 1998 survey, Obama stated his abortion position as: "Abortions should be legally available in accordance with Roe v. Wade."
    >>

    "his foreign policy views?"

    His foreign policy views are available here: http://tinyurl.com/2sctc8

    A summary:

    >>
    His first major speech on foreign policy was delivered on April 23, 2007 to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs.

    [...]

    During the speech Obama called for an expansion of the United States Armed Forces "by adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines", an idea previously introduced by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

    In a Washington, DC speech entitled "A New Strategy for a New World" delivered July 15, 2008, Obama stated five main foreign policy goals:

    * ending the war in Iraq responsibly;
    * finishing the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban;
    * securing all nuclear weapons and materials from terrorists and rogue states;
    * achieving true energy security; and,
    * rebuilding our alliances to meet the challenges of the 21st century.
    >>

    It is a lie to say that we don't know much about Obama. We know just as much about him as any other candidate, if not more.

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  • 409. At 12:33pm on 29 Oct 2008, Sankari wrote:

    Post #378; "#374 David_Cunard

    "Its" as a possessive has no apostrophe -

    The squirrel has its nuts.

    "It's" as a contraction for "it is" does -

    It's a shame that squirrel-kind is divided through disease.

    Pedantic oldnat"

    I think David meant that there is no apostrophe in "its" in the context of this statement. So both you and David are correct, and DameMargaretThatcher @ Post #342 is wrong.

    The sentence...

    >>
    Now toodle pip, old chap! get back on your nationalized railway with it's rock hard meat pies and warm beer.
    >>

    ...should read: "Now toodle pip, old chap! get back on your nationalized railway with its rock hard meat pies and warm beer".

    Of course, it is still wrong for other reasons, as already mentioned.

    :)

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  • 410. At 1:41pm on 29 Oct 2008, everyoneiscrazy wrote:

    "It's military are very small - I guess they don't consider an invasion a likely prospect. I understand that many of their army were seen most prominently as extras in the film "Braveheart" .... which was of course filmed in Ireland!!!!"

    Almost right. We are a neutral country but we do contribute heavily for our size to UN peace keeping forces and it was our army reserve in braveheart

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  • 411. At 2:15pm on 29 Oct 2008, magnanimousrogera wrote:

    Re John McCain's suspect character.

    The following is an extract from a poster on Matthew Price's blog who lives in Arizona:

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    32. At 04:33am on 27 Oct 2008, Dmfolnk wrote:
    I know a few people who were with McCain in Vietnam, and they have told me he's smarmy, cocky, and unkind to his underlings-
    Unquote

    Drudge52 may again say that it is "he says, she says" but it is hard to refute that McCain appears to be a nasty piece of work. However, it is fitting that it is in line with the FUD that his campaign has now resorted to with letters predicting doomsday and the end of the world if Obama gets elected. What utter rubbish.

    In any event, I , along with many other Americans, would hate this man to become President of the United States irrespective of what Drudge 52 says. As the cliche goes, "there are none so blind as those who will not see"

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  • 412. At 2:43pm on 29 Oct 2008, Xie_Ming wrote:

    I am rather worked up over this and wonder if it could be an election ploy:

    ""Syria says all the victims were civilian.

    Foreign Minister Walid Muallem said they were a father and his three children, a farm guard and his wife, and a fisherman.

    He said: "Killing civilians in international law means a terrorist aggression. We consider this criminal and terrorist action."

    Now, which one was the awful terrorist the leaked (but unattributed) US report claimed?

    The Washington crew is lying again.

    Are they trying, desperately, to find something to work up support before the elections?

    Well, BBC, any attributed reports from Washington?

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  • 413. At 4:06pm on 29 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    RomeStu (#401), we don't yet know which they prefer. It is too late to remove a candidate from the ballot or add a new one. Whether he resigns from the Senate before the election or not, he is on the ballot and may or may not be elected.

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  • 414. At 4:18pm on 29 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    all (#397), here's alink to an interesting article discussing the colour variations in the Eastern Grey Squirrel:

    http://www.hww.ca/hww2.asp?id=89

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  • 415. At 5:35pm on 29 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    I would not take the statement by the Syrian Foreign Minister (#412) at face value. That's what the Syrians would say. The same applies to the US statement. There are always disagreements on the facts of such matters, and I see no reason to think one side is more believable than the other.

    I would not accuse the US of deliberately blowing up a building of innocent civilians for purely political reasons without actual evidence. My own view is that they were targeting a specific individual associated with Al Quaeda, and he may or may not have actually been there.

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  • 416. At 5:54pm on 29 Oct 2008, Cassandra wrote:

    #408

    In this case "elite" is only a Republican code word.

    Palin says "elite" means someone who thinks they're better than everybody else."

    The dictionary says the elite are people with superior intellectual, economic or social status. Or the best and most skilled members of a group, as in 'Navy Seals are among the elite.'

    For some reason the Right doesn't seem to want the best and the brightest in charge, so have made it an insult. Which is odd in a way, because the economic elite are (as George Bush once said to a gathering of the rich) their "base."

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  • 417. At 6:50pm on 29 Oct 2008, niceBrianm wrote:

    "No country for old men".

    I believe that Senators John McCain and Ted Stevens fit the bill.

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  • 418. At 7:42pm on 29 Oct 2008, british-ish wrote:

    414: Gary,

    Thanks for that link

    "The eastern grey squirrel is a tolerant species and exhibits little aggressive behaviour. The dominance hierarchy in both females and males is maintained by a bluffing show of force or chasing rather than by actual fighting. . .There is little territorial behaviour. . ."

    Dare I say one can learn a lot from squirrels? Not perhaps as much as one might from fruit flies, but all the same . . .

    On 415 (kind of related, really, at least to 'aggressive behaviour") there have been a number of reports and interviews on BBC radio during the day which add credence to the Syrian statement.

    And yet again we hear that spurious "right of self-defence" argument for provocatively crossing borders. It's disgusts me every time I hear it. Wasn't the same excuse used in 1938?

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  • 419. At 8:11pm on 29 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    british-ish (#418), well, it's widely known that the 1938 incident to which you refer ("Polish" attack on Germany) was manufactured for the purpose. I think if one wants to make that charge, it should be supported with evidence.

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  • 420. At 8:15pm on 29 Oct 2008, Gary_A_Hill wrote:

    Correction: The Germans invaded Poland in response to a supposed attack on September 1, 1939.

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  • 421. At 11:07pm on 29 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    404, Magna.

    The greatest danger of McCain as president is that he is a warmonger. Worse yet, his palT, Joe Lieberman, is one as well. Rumour had it that if McCain were elected Lieberman would be his secretary of state. The NYT said it was likely he would be secretary of defense (war in realspeak).

    The thought of having them in power (Palin will be as nobody) is terrifying. They would bring about the total destabilization of the Middle East - and who knows where that would lead. (In addition to further losing the respect of our allies, that is.)

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  • 422. At 11:28pm on 29 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    407, Ed.

    "I thorougly deprecate the inference that they (squirrels) are in any way bereft of either sanity or intelligence and have noted considerable acrobatic courage. Strangely, their eyesight seems to be very good close-in, but less so at longer range, or perhaps they just don't pay attention beyond the immediate zone."

    When people speak of squirrels as being bereft of sanity and intelligence, they are speaking of red squirrels. Our superior breed, gray squirrels, are capable of planning and trickery.

    We keep a bag of peanuts on a shelf in the rear of glass-enclosed back porch. The squirrels queue up for their welfare handouts at the back door. One day we must have left the door ajar and I went to the porch to find the bag being dragged out the door. (I have to admit I was very proud of them.)

    I would like to point out that the high IQ gray squirrel also has superior eyesight.

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  • 423. At 11:36pm on 29 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    414, Gary.

    Thanks. The black squirrels are very beautiful. Squirrels live in a family unit. If they are separated they can't survive.

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  • 424. At 01:00am on 30 Oct 2008, Joshua wrote:

    I seem to recall the liberals expecting a blowout in the last election as well. They were celebrating the soon to be reign of John Kerry. Pollsters were wrong weren't they? One thing to take into consideration? The 7-9% of undecided voters who will decide when they get in the booth. I don't want to see any shock if McCain wins a close one. You may wish for a Obama landslide, but the rest of us know better....

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  • 425. At 02:01am on 30 Oct 2008, Alaska-me-Hardplace wrote:

    #392 Marbles

    Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the Reps had cornered the market on freebies and "bad decisions". It just seems to me that in the last decade or so, it has become more and more blatant, with little to no repercussions. I don't believe the Clintons should have got away with what they did either. It was more a blanket statement about polititions in general.

    I have not been a politically minded person for much more than the last 8 years or so. What perked up my ears was listening to the complete rubbish that has eminated from the existing US government over this period, and almost daily having my incredulity challenged. Other than that, I guess I have mostly been one of those that doesn't say much if things are going mostly okay. Of that I'm guilty. Not hard to do really, in the bland Canadian political environment.

    Political Tyro Jeff

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  • 426. At 02:21am on 30 Oct 2008, SamTyler1969 wrote:

    #422

    Marby

    I should add they are smarter than my cats. They literally judge the distance they need to stay ahead and let the boys get just outside that range before running, starting a chase, bounding up a tree and laughing as the cat loses breath.

    Naturalist Sam

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  • 427. At 02:23am on 30 Oct 2008, SamTyler1969 wrote:

    #424

    Dragon,

    Umm, no. Bush was 49 to 46% ahead at this point in 04 in the poll of polls. Obama has an 8 point spread this evening, pre broadcast.

    This really is my last election post.

    Sam

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  • 428. At 02:31am on 30 Oct 2008, Alaska-me-Hardplace wrote:

    #395 ish-ish

    A scurry is much more descriptive. I was thinking a 'gather' or a 'scavenge', but scurry is better.

    I'm not sure of the species, but when I grew up in Ontario, I saw a wide variety of fur colours. Anything from jet black to mixes with red and grey and brown. Some so large they would scare most cats!

    I'm going to keep it brief on this post, as I'm in a motel room typing on my iPod

    Cheers and goodnight to all!

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  • 429. At 02:38am on 30 Oct 2008, allmymarbles wrote:

    424, Dark.

    I think the popullar vote will be close, but that Obama will win the electoral vote by a good margin.

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  • 430. At 03:02am on 30 Oct 2008, Alaska-me-Hardplace wrote:

    I spent most of the day on airplanes. That's my excuse for letting 'polititions' slip through.

    Peace and snoring,

    Jeff

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  • 431. At 1:37pm on 30 Oct 2008, SunshinePlus wrote:

    You stated the truth in your last sentence. Why bother with the McCain campaign fiction?

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  • 432. At 2:52pm on 30 Oct 2008, zarkmud wrote:

    The Political Party that is No More

    When a political party becomes by its very nature, suicidal condescending and sanctimonious it is only a matter of time before it ceases to exist. That is the current state of the Republican Party and those attributes are so engrained into the “base” that it cannot ever recover or re-brand itself. So it will go the way of the Federalist Party, John Adams being the last such president of that party, the Democratic-Republicans, [although one could argue that this is the forerunner of today’s Democratic Party], and The Whig Party.

    Surely, none of the supporters of these parties ever thought that at some point certain that they would simply cease to exist because they had become irrelevant. And that is the case today. Few would suspect that the Republican Party is about to evaporate, but that is exactly what is happening. It is not George W. Bush that is the cause of it but rather party platform planks stuck into the party over the last 30 years that in effect say “...that we know better than you, you must believe in a higher being and if you don’t, you are some sort of sub-human not fit to be a member of society and that conservative values are the only values of worth. That you must adopt the most fanatical view of when life begins and be wiling to force even girls that were raped no choice but to bring an unwanted child to term. A Republican Party so laced with testosterone that even when it was elected to end a war in Vietnam, Nixon instead chose to expand it into Cambodia and Laos and take three years to bring it to an end dropping more bombs in two years than Johnson did in five and more than the U.S. dropped in all of WWII in Europe and the Pacific. That injudicious war cost 500,000 lives, 58,000 of them American and a goodly percentage after Nixon took office. That poison, that testosterone, exhibited itself with “W,” Rumsfeld and Cheney and is one of the final nails in the coffin of the Republican party which will cease to exist in two decades or ever sooner. It seems to many that the Republicans are willing to put up anyone who spouts the correct conservative dribble vs. those that actually have half a brain.

    This is not to say that the Democratic Party is that much better...but it is better to be sure. Historically on the side of the disadvantaged...to the material disadvantage of the “advantaged” which is no plus, the Democratic Party will, at least, get some value for the money they waste. There was a time when the Republican Party was a party of a conservative fiscal policy and held a belief that government should stay out of one’s personal affairs.

    In this regard, the parties have switched. If you take a look at the Clinton administration, they brought fiscal rationality to the forefront, balanced the budget and paid down the national debt to such an extent that the FED started to eliminate the issuance of certain Treasury Notes. It was only a matter of time before the next administration could lower taxes and expand the economy even further. Of course, dullard George W. Bush changed all that. Today the budget and our economic domicile are so strained at present that it is ready to shatter. So costly is our war on terror and Iraq that we have a military that is stretched so thin and so worn out that we are in a situation where our military cannot possibly protect us from new serious threats. In effect, the war in Iraq has damaged our defense and made us weaker militarily and economically and this being the primary responsibility of government...defense...not running a postal service, not education, not commerce but defense and here the Republicans, for all their testosterone, have mightily failed.

    In regard to energy policy, there is barely a brain working in either party. After all, we had gas lines around the block in 1973 with the Arab oil embargo...we are still importing oil from those same sources that use our money to buy weapons and support folks that are very willing to kill us.

    One of the most aggravating aspects of Republican Party is their manner. They come from an attitude of superiority where they know what is best for us, where government will tell a young girl to have an unwanted child and where they can never admit a mistake in foreign or domestic policy. Add too an attitude that demands those running for public office be god-fearing near religious fanatics refusing to admit that agnostics and even atheists can lead the most moral of lives. And it is not entirely the fault of the Republican Party. “Joe the Plumber” has a responsibility too. Why does he not know that his life under an Obama administration would result in more money in his pocket? He doesn’t make close to $250,000/year and yet one would think that he has stock options in Google!

    Palin, of course, has done the Republicans no good whatever other than making the “base” even more strident and demonstrating to the electorate that the Republicans have become untrustworthy in the extreme. The rest of the world looks at the Republican candidate for VP and gasp at the ineptitude of such a choice by the Republican standard-bearer. It is events and thinking inside the box that will bring doom to the Republican Party.

    As for the Democratic Party...well, to me it acts racist particular in the case of its African American members who vote 95-97% along color lines. The Democrats found no such racist attitudes in let’s say white Iowa, where that principally white population voted without any concern to the color a person’s skin. But overall, the spending by the Democrats will likely equal that of the Republicans over time...the difference is that the Democrats will actually buy something useful such as education and if we are lucky, energy self sufficiency.

    When it comes to government, I have for a number of decades become a pessimist. It is an attitude that has served me well and I see nothing on the horizon other than talk that suggest any potential for change. So, I will remain a pessimist and someday...if I live long enough...I could be surprised. But I do doubt it.

    Axxel Knutson
    Warren, NJ 07059
    October 30, 2008


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  • 433. At 2:24pm on 31 Oct 2008, Newsreelsneil wrote:

    I see lots of talk here on politically motivated attacks on Iran, Pakistan, Georgia etc...

    Has anyone heard the news today regarding the Rand Corporation's proposal to the Pentagon to start a war with a major power ie Russia or China to get the American economy out of recession?

    These people have lost the plot altogether it seems, maybe insanity is a more appropriate term.

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  • 434. At 6:06pm on 31 Oct 2008, Richard Savary wrote:

    I'm afraid McCain's last-ditch attempts to lure votes away from Obama may succeed on some level, but they are not legitimate, and hopefully, cannot be enough. Claiming Obama's a Socialist because he promises to represent People over Capital, and that he's a Moslem, or an Arab, because of his middle name, is just a slur. If McCain can't win votes by proposing better plans, he doesn't deserve to win them.

    In fact, I see McCain as the poorer candidate BY FAR.

    Obama combines all the very finest qualities of a real statesman, including high intelligence, noble character, sharp focus, firm resolve, and perfect order, organization and purpose. And, need I add, he leans in the RIGHT direction, i.e. LEFT. He's not a Corporatist - he's a humanist.

    McCain is little more than a confused, backward, dishonest, and none too bright - politician. He barely has an idea of his own. He's nothing more than another George W. Bush in (a very thin) disguise. And he makes it clear that he cares far more about the Capitalist economy than he ever will about YOURS. The US has made a lot of mistakes, but electing John McCain could be the very worst ever.

    If you want more economic disaster, from which we may never recover, or if you think endless war a good social strategy, vote for McCain.

    If you want personal prosperity, world peace, and human justice, your only choice is to vote for Barack Obama on Tuesday.

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  • 435. At 2:41pm on 01 Nov 2008, everyoneiscrazy wrote:

    Well october is officially over.

    SURPRISE!! Oh wait, there wasn't one, was there?

    Are they bluffing? Does a bear.... you know the answer

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  • 436. At 07:28am on 03 Nov 2008, InclineVillager wrote:

    No one seems to be polling young voters and black voters, and the never voted that are coming out in record numbers. Obama may have a chance in these states expecially Arizona because it has been filling itself with ex Californias looking to retire. Being black, Obama wants a Mandate from the Poeple. He wants to beat McCain by such a large margine, that it is impossible for Republicns to steal enought votes. Also to give American confidence in him. The ones not voting for him because of his race, need to see discrimination is going away and the majority of us want and believe in Obama. There are many black and latino, glbt, and jewish voters in Florida. He could win.

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  • 437. At 02:57am on 25 Dec 2008, dennisjunior1 wrote:

    Justin....
    Yes, i am thinking that they were bluffing....

    --Dennis Junior--

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