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The fight over a Blair presidency

Gavin Hewitt | 11:04 UK time, Sunday, 25 October 2009

blair_getty226.jpgIn the days and weeks ahead the arguments over whether Tony Blair should be the first President of the European Council are likely to intensify. The British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, gave strong backing today to Tony Blair getting the top job. European leaders are dividing between those who want a charismatic figure to be the face of Europe on the international stage and those who want a more modest "business manager".

David Miliband said today it was very important for Europe to have a strong figure, who when they land in Beijing and Moscow the "traffic stops"
for the motorcade. "It would be good for Britain and for Europe if Tony Blair became that candidate." However it is not clear whether Tony Blair would put himself forward until the job is more closely defined.

My understanding is that the former prime minister would not be interested in just chairing summits and seeking out consensus. Increasingly the presidency is developing into a split between the big countries and the smaller states. Britain wants a powerful big hitter as president, so does France, Italy and probably Spain.

Angela Merkel's position is not yet clear and much will rest on what she decides. But the smaller players like Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg are set against a strong presidency. Other countries like Poland do not want to see their position weakened when it comes to their turn to hold the rotating presidency of the EU.

So the battle will sharpen. The main arguments against Tony Blair so far have been that Britain is not part of the Euro but expect more attention to move to the fact that he will be the main witness at the forthcoming Chilcot inquiry into the Iraq war. One of the key questions to be decided is whether the former prime minister abused power.

The Conservatives have been actively telling EU ambassadors that they object strongly to a Blair presidency. That may have the opposite effect to what they desire. Some EU countries see a Blair presidency as providing a counterpoint to a eurosceptic David Cameron government.

Now if Tony Blair stumbles then Britain will turn its eye to the job of High Representative for Foreign Affairs. The person will be vice president of the European Commission and will have a diplomatic service at their disposal. It is potentially a very powerful job. David Miliband will again speak about this role on Monday. It has led to speculation in Europe that he is interested in the role.

He said today that "No, I am not a candidate. I'm not available." That may not stem the growing interest in the British foreign secretary in European capitals.

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  • 1. At 12:06pm on 25 Oct 2009, Strappara wrote:

    Are we barking mad? Europe does not want Blair- His actions while in office should be under severe scrutiny as part of a criminal investigation but whitewashes and silence prevail. The "Bold Statesman" Tony Blair has brought shame to Britain on the international stage in the opinion of many ordinary Europeans who view the prospect of his Presidency with abhorrence. You have only to read the comments in the European Press & on the Stopblair Online Petition to evidence this.There are some eminent EU Leaders like Sarkozy who perhaps wish to cling to the gold dusted coat tails of Mr Blair. Mr Sarkozy after all is loathed in France & unlikely to win the next election - he is on the lookout for connections and opportunities. Who can forget Blair's final globe-trotting months in office as he scoured the four corners in search of pecuniary advancement? And very successful they were too.He is apparently beyond the law, making decisions which benefit himself at the cost of thousands of lives. The idea that he should be considered as president of the EU is abhorrent, and his nomination should be rejected. Between 6 & 10 million demonstrated against his actions in 2003. He now uses his warrior contacts to line his ever growing pockets & drinks gold sprinkled cappuccinos. Signatories to the Stop Blair Petition now at 40572 signatures http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/stopblair/signatures.html.How we can even contemplate putting at the head of Europe a man whose inappropriate & disproportionate response to 9/11 unleashed a sequence of disaster & death, beggars belief.
    Balkenende & Lipponen both seem to be honest, modest and in possession of some integrity in stark contrast to Blair who may yet face his crimes and pay for them. One lives in hope.

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  • 2. At 12:09pm on 25 Oct 2009, TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship wrote:

    It's who follows that matters, it's quite possibly correct that the EU needs a 'big hitter' in it's first presidency to put the EU on the world stage (that is not saying that Blair is the right person though), the problem will be if the next incumbent is also a big hitter too - if that happens it will be like the USA, anyone can be president, but you need to be a millionaire to stand any chance of actually being president!

    So a big hitter to establish the position on the world stage, then a president from one of the smaller countries, then an EU wide election were the citizens of the EU choose - Oops, sounding a bit to Federal there...

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  • 3. At 12:11pm on 25 Oct 2009, macklm wrote:

    This is a disaster and blame for all UK- Tony Blair as british PM was the first stool in GWB journey to destroy
    the economy and politics of the world- to turning the tide of growing trends to settle the Middle East problems,
    he was behind two stupid wars (Iraq and Afganistan) it is a shame to all british voters who elected him out of false clouds of self short seeing; there is no brain in this walking Bush orphan; kick him off for good!

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  • 4. At 12:17pm on 25 Oct 2009, ianklux wrote:

    tony bliar should appear before some court or other to answer for taking Britain into Iraq. God forbid tony bliar ever becomes president of the EU. If he is nominated it'll be confirmation that whoever was behind Barack Obabam's Nobel nomination ( two weeks after his win) and win - is also behind tony bliar.

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  • 5. At 12:18pm on 25 Oct 2009, gruad999 wrote:

    Bring on the Referendum - and put the question Do we want to stay in Europe at All?

    Blair will provide the biggest boost to a 'No' vote there is.

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  • 6. At 12:24pm on 25 Oct 2009, acmatthews wrote:

    "Britain wants a powerful big hitter as president, so does France, Italy and probably Spain"

    Many in Britain don't want an EU President at all. And how can you possibly say what Britain 'wants' when our government denies us the opportunity of a referendum to decide if we want to the Libson Treaty and to become the part of The United States of Europe?

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  • 7. At 12:26pm on 25 Oct 2009, Branditon wrote:

    It's all about spin and celebratity then.

    The only place in Europe I'd like to see Tony B Liar is in the dock at The Hague, facing criminal charges.

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  • 8. At 12:38pm on 25 Oct 2009, martian_pyramid wrote:

    I do wonder whether certain, rather naive, continental leaders think that having a British person as EU President would help to bring Britain onside with the European project. And that might actually be the case, if it weren't one that is so thoroughly unpopular and discredited, and that we thought we'd seen the back of.

    (Mind you, Cameron loves Blair - remember the standing ovation - and the main reason the Conservatives are agitating against him is that it would mean a massive swing to UKIP.)

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  • 9. At 12:39pm on 25 Oct 2009, TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship wrote:

    7. At 12:26pm on 25 Oct 2009, branditony wrote:

    "It's all about spin and celebratity then.

    No, it's about politics...

    "The only place in Europe I'd like to see Tony B Liar is in the dock at The Hague, facing criminal charges."

    ...and that has what relevance to the position of EU president? Nice rant though! :-(

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  • 10. At 12:44pm on 25 Oct 2009, Jukka Rohila wrote:

    Past performance doesn't necessarily dictate future actions.

    When we talk about heavy hitters in politics, the things is that they usually have a past and they carry weight from their past. A popular politic who succeeded in the past may be an absolute failure in a role of the European president.

    I would much more prefer a person without heavy burden of the past, a person that gets along with member states and the commission, a person that is talented and holds a future promise that can lead him or her to rise when a challenge comes.

    Lets just get somebody who is not known so well, who gets along and who holds talent and lets see what we got. Remember that in average, 50% of all US presidents have fared less well than the average, and 50% have fared better than the average. In essence, just flip a coin! ;)

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  • 11. At 12:49pm on 25 Oct 2009, TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship wrote:

    #8. At 12:38pm on 25 Oct 2009, martian_pyramid wrote:

    "Mind you, Cameron loves Blair - remember the standing ovation - and the main reason the Conservatives are agitating against him is that it would mean a massive swing to UKIP.

    Very true! Wow, if Blair being the EU president means that both the Conservatives and the UKIP out smarted each other, both tripping each other up, splitting each other votes and either allowing an outright Labour victory or a Lib-Dem/Labour (and possibly, Greens) coalition, meaning that for once the UK will actually have a pro EU stance - I'm starting to warm to Blair being EU President...

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  • 12. At 12:50pm on 25 Oct 2009, Jukka Rohila wrote:

    To Boilerplated (9):

    Electing a person into an office that is more or less likely to face prosecution in the future for conspiring to commit a war of aggression is always a bad idea. Tony Blair did lead Britain to go to war in Iraq under false assumptions and false rational, now be it intentional or not, be it a conspiracy made with the Neo-Con leadership in the US or not, the man has serious liabilities.

    Tony Blair should not in any circumstance be allowed to become the EU President. It would tarnish the reputation of the office from day one.

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  • 13. At 12:51pm on 25 Oct 2009, jr4412 wrote:

    "..whether Tony Blair should be the first President of the European Council.."

    given that the EU is a direct result of post-WWII efforts to prevent further wars in Europe, it seems ironic -- more like sick -- that one of the biggest modern-day warmongers should be considered for its presidency.

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  • 14. At 12:52pm on 25 Oct 2009, CharleyHill wrote:

    Gavin, It's a balanced article about Tony Blair's prospects, but you left out one important thing. His candidature would add to the depressing gaiety of nations, and not just as a traffic stopper in Beijing or Moscow. His rivals would not.

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  • 15. At 12:58pm on 25 Oct 2009, notlimah wrote:

    I'm mystified why Miliband thinks "It would be good for Britain and for Europe if Tony Blair became that candidate." Most of Britain does not wish to be associated with Blair - he's just tarnished goods, and certainly does not represent the best of British. Just how would it be to our benefit? Blair only looks after Blair, always has, always will.

    And Europe? Can someone who has so overtly chosen GWB over his European allies, and the public opinion of his own country, and left us all up to our necks in the consequences of his arrogance really be first choice? Put aside all other considerations, if Blair is chosen it will be all about the man, and a disaster for the office of President, which is the really important thing.

    Please let this man sink into the obscurity he deserves.

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  • 16. At 12:59pm on 25 Oct 2009, kaybraes wrote:

    He will not be out of place as leader of the most corrupt organisation the world has ever seen. The man was a pathological liar who took this nation into a war under false pretences and hopefully someday will pay the penalty for this. The people of Britain are still being denied the opportunity to vote on the unholy treaty which is designed to turn Europe into some kind of human ant heap, with the common people subservient to a ruling class of unelected bureacrats and having no voice to oppose or change anything within the organisation.

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  • 17. At 1:01pm on 25 Oct 2009, Reaper_of_Souls wrote:

    Bizarre isn't it, the majority of the British public would probably trust a "foreigner" to look out for our interests more than our former Prime Minister.
    But then with more direct experience of "President" Blair, the British public are probably much more perceptive in their assessment than EU officials.

    I also note that the majority of EU advocates seem to be supporters of socialist policies, probably using the balance within the EU to continue to enforce such policies on the UK whether or not the British people vote in favour of a party promising them.

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  • 18. At 1:02pm on 25 Oct 2009, Straightalk wrote:

    Is Europe so impoverished for political leadership that it has to stoop to scrape the barrel with the likes of Tony Blair? This is the man who seems to have been distinctly economical with the truth regarding the 'weapons of mass destruction' in Iraq, who endorsed the policies of his then Chancellor, Gordon Brown which has led to this country being in the worst economic hole since the Great Depression. Remember Blair left at a time when many thought his continuing leadership of New Labour would ruin their next electoral chances given his celebrity spin and shallow comprehension of economic or social criteria. Nice timing, given his hefty compensation package with JP Morgan and his media business activities on the lecture circuit or advising countries like Kuwait on political leadership at $1million a pop!
    So far his role as Middle East peace envoy for USA, Europe and Russia has achieved nothing tangible except large hotel bills for his entourage visits to Tel Aviv and other places.
    If Europe wants a celebrity President like Obama, then Blair may be the ticket, if you exclude all the "B and C rate celebrities" on reality TV. However, Obama (excluding his ludicrous acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize) is still relatively untested in his presidency and is probably far more capable than Blair at an intellectual level. Blair on the other hand has been tested and found very inadequate.
    No doubt, spin, celebrity and PR will win the day. Thus if Blair is elected, then Europe will learn why so many people wanted to get rid of this man as our PM. Unfortunately, his successor has proved equally inadequate.
    It seems that failure in politics and banking is simply rewarded by even more cushy jobs for the boys and a few girls. Time that things changed and Europe sent a clear message to Blair and his ilk, that failure is not a qualification for promotion, however you try to spin it.

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  • 19. At 1:04pm on 25 Oct 2009, MrGraffewitz wrote:

    Why should Continental Europe accept a president from a country that isn't even a proud member of the EU?

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  • 20. At 1:05pm on 25 Oct 2009, DavidBLydd wrote:

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  • 21. At 1:14pm on 25 Oct 2009, DavidBLydd wrote:

    We cannot possibly be even considering letting the man who bailed out of the government in the eve of the recession because he could not cope with the pressure? He jumped ship after creating the worse recession in recorded history, he manipulated information and misled the government and the public to go to war.

    He has destroyed the lives of millions of the british public in more ways than one and in some cases the worse case scenario and the loons want him to run Europe. Are they completely mad or is their wish that they appoint a man that has the skills to bankrupt a nation and take that nation into a war that has killed many young men and women, he introduced laws that allows the government and their forces ride rough shod over the citizens rights and grab their money at will.

    If the rest of Europe even consider appointing this man as president it will only be a appointing a war mongering nation destroying meglamaniac and we will pay the price.

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  • 22. At 1:14pm on 25 Oct 2009, Mathiasen wrote:

    Strong head of states are the exception in the member states, and the many small countries are not preferring a strong president. The EU is actually giving them an influence they did not have previously.

    It is of course the right of Mr. Hewitt to look at things from a British or perhaps more precisely a British government point of view, only I would like to point out that among the 26 other countries there are other viewpoints and interests.
    Until yesterday chancellor Merkel was busy building a new government. She is a calm, analytical person and pretty far from the style of president Sarkozy, but very much in favour of the European integration. Her decision (on behalf of The Federal Republic) will balance these things.

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  • 23. At 1:16pm on 25 Oct 2009, jr4412 wrote:

    Gavin Hewitt.

    "..[Blair] will be the main witness at the forthcoming Chilcot inquiry into the Iraq war."

    followed the link you gave, read that members of the inquiry are "..to meet bereaved families.."; good I thought, but further reading reveals that there's talk only of the families of UK service personnel. Chilcot will apparently not hear from any of the families of the (estimated) 700,000+ Iraqi dead.

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  • 24. At 1:20pm on 25 Oct 2009, rcblog wrote:

    What are you smoking? Blair is so on the nose following his Iraq invasion based on manipulated intelligence that it would set back then whole EU thing a decade. This failed rock&roll singer should stick to the conference circuits and be thankful he is not in the Hague facing war crimes charges. Based on his "quarter-etting" in the M/E I'd say he would be the worst person for the job. Now that he has dumped his Queen's church (for a snow flake's chance in hell of redemption for his soul I assume) it would be better if he stuck to helping his new Pope with keeping a Christian toe-hold in the Palestinian-Israel territory that is for "jews only" acording to Netanyahu.

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  • 25. At 1:26pm on 25 Oct 2009, thegangofone wrote:

    " My understanding is that the former prime minister would not be interested in just chairing summits and seeking out consensus."

    What worries most people is the desire to invade, the failure to regulate, the blind eye to renditions and the acquiesence to torture.

    Others may say that his failure to understand the impact of large scale immigration and to address the whole community has put us in a position where we have to bear the pollution of the far right in the media daily and consider the possibility of civil strife.

    Is that what the UK or Europe wants?

    As for strong leadership Hitler was a strong leader.

    Thats effectively what the European ideal is all about - preventing "strong leaders" wrecking the continent.

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  • 26. At 1:32pm on 25 Oct 2009, MarcusAureliusII wrote:

    Look at Tony Blair's legacy.

    When he was President of the EU for six months he said he would make Europe the best place in the world to do business and he did.

    He said as prime minister he would bring peace and prosperity to Britain and looking at the UK today, you can see by the economy and social serenity there that he did.

    He said he would bring peace to the Middle East and he did.

    So why shouldn't he be crowned king of the EU. Look at his track record.

    I like the EU. I could hardly have devised a better arrangement of Europe for Americans to compete against myself.

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  • 27. At 1:34pm on 25 Oct 2009, Straightalk wrote:

    Despite the current demise of the USA, it can at least look back on its history of development with some pride on the character of its founding fathers. What legacy does it create with the likes of President Blair as Europe's first president?
    Secondly, whoever is appointed it seems an insult to the ordinary people of the European Union that such a potential powerful post, whose voice will represent us as much as our Prime Minister should not be a directly elected representative of the people. We appear to be on phase two of creating the police state of Europe where bureaucrats choose the leader. It is time the people of Europe were given a voice and removed this Brussels based elite with their overpaid jobs and crony jobs for the boys and girls mentality. They are almost as bad as the bankers. Almost, but not quite.

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  • 28. At 1:36pm on 25 Oct 2009, democracythreat wrote:

    Hewitt writes:

    "My understanding is that the former prime minister would not be interested in just chairing summits and seeking out consensus. Increasingly the presidency is developing into a split between the big countries and the smaller states. Britain wants a powerful big hitter as president, so does France, Italy and probably Spain."

    So Gavin, it seems you equate the nations of Europe with the members of the dominant political parties.

    OK. That is a definite position. I means you are unwilling to make a distinction between the party and the people. For you, the party is the people. The party defines the nation.

    Because the most obvious aspect to this piece of journalism and to the underlying subject matter is that the public are, once more, irrelevant. The president will be chosen by the party members. The public will watch. the public will accept the dictation of the party members.

    UK labour did a deal with continental labour when Brown reneged on holding a referendum. Blair is clearly the quid pro quo for British Labour.

    Well Mr Hewitt, I can see why you got your job. Unlike Mardell, you are willing to put aside common sense and dutifully act as a mouthpiece for the party. I don't blame you, entirely. I think it is pretty clear to everybody what sort of organization the BBC has become, and what sort of place Europe is becoming.

    If you do not toe the party line as a journalist, that is the end of your career, is it not?

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  • 29. At 1:45pm on 25 Oct 2009, johnwilkes wrote:

    So Blair gets his payback for lying to the electorate about the Lisbon referendum, (that never was).
    What a surprise.

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  • 30. At 1:45pm on 25 Oct 2009, rg wrote:

    21. DavidBLydd

    "...If the rest of Europe even consider appointing this man as president..."

    'The rest of Europe' is a couple of dozen well healed sat round a table.

    (As is the way with the UK PM these days) we don't get a vote.

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  • 31. At 1:51pm on 25 Oct 2009, Webjasper wrote:

    The BNP, UKIP and many others will be counting the extra votes they will get if Blair gets the Job even now. A sure fire way to ensure that the UK becomes even more anti EU

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  • 32. At 1:51pm on 25 Oct 2009, rg wrote:

    26. MarcusAureliusII

    "...So why shouldn't he be crowned king of the EU..."

    The UK got a leader by 'coronation' in 2007, whoopee.

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  • 33. At 1:52pm on 25 Oct 2009, Mike Dixon Londoner in Spain wrote:

    You still have a lot to learn about what and who makes the EU tick,in my opinion.

    Firstly, it is essential to forget the British perspective.

    Secondly, if the major players back Tony Blair or whoever else, you can be sure they will do so because he or she can deliver what they and their voters want.

    There will no Special Relationship for Britain with the European Community to replace the Special Relationship with the United States.



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  • 34. At 1:52pm on 25 Oct 2009, Reaper_of_Souls wrote:

    # 24. rcblog wrote:

    "... it would be better if he stuck to helping his new Pope with keeping a Christian toe-hold in the Palestinian-Israel territory that is for "jews only" acording to Netanyahu. "

    Isn't that a level of racism that even the BNP would think twice about uttering?

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  • 35. At 1:56pm on 25 Oct 2009, LecNeli wrote:

    Tony Blair is perfect candidate, as you can't possibly get a better candidate. However, I suspect mister Tony Blair is not interested and who can blame him when you see how Eropean Institutions and Parlament are run.

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  • 36. At 1:59pm on 25 Oct 2009, rg wrote:

    29. jwilkesnotbooth

    "...Blair gets his payback for [not holding] the Lisbon referendum..."

    Blair hasn't got the job yet, though this would be a reward for Labour; a job well done.

    Win power with a manifesto referendum commitment. Sit tight till nothing can be done.

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  • 37. At 2:05pm on 25 Oct 2009, Paul Baker wrote:

    Posters have already commented on most of the other things which make Tony Blair undesirable as a human being, much less a President of the EU, so I will simply cover the one aspect of his undesirability that seems to have been left out.

    The revelation by Stephen Neather, who was there, right in the middle of it at No. 10, at the time when Tony Blair was riding high, holding the reins of power, together with Gordon Brown and the rest of the motley crew, that a deliberate decision was taken to flood this country with foreign immigrants to bring about the miscegenation of the native people of this country and achieve the Marxist dream of total multiculturalisation of the United Kingdom. At the moment they are well on the way towards achieving their dream.

    This is contrary to the United Nations Declaration On Indigenous Peoples Rights and must surely breach the law of treason. I have often heard it remarked that Blair & Co should stand trial for other things but this stands out as such a wilful and wanton crime against the very fabric of the nation that gave him birth and succoured him that it cries out for justice and punishment.

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  • 38. At 2:13pm on 25 Oct 2009, Always wrote:

    BBC correspondent Gavin Hewitt says:

    "The main arguments against Tony Blair so far have been that Britain is not part of the Euro but expect more attention to move to the fact that he will be the main witness at the forthcoming Chilcot inquiry into the Iraq war. One of the key questions to be decided is whether the former prime minister abused power."

    That is not a key question, it is a key statement. Everybody in the UK knows that Blair lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to aid a foreign power (the USA) and then led this country into a war against the wishes of the UK people and of the Security Council of the United Nations, a war in which hundreds of thousands died and are still dying. Until he has been tried for treason or for other charges relating to the abuse of power, there should be no question of Blair taking a position of responsibility again.

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  • 39. At 2:14pm on 25 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    #26 MarcusAureliusII

    The US compete against us???? Make better cars perhaps or has the Dreamliner finally taken off?

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  • 40. At 2:14pm on 25 Oct 2009, jr4412 wrote:

    34. At 1:52pm on 25 Oct 2009, Reaper_of_Souls wrote:

    # 24. rcblog wrote:

    "... it would be better if he stuck to helping his new Pope with keeping a Christian toe-hold in the Palestinian-Israel territory that is for "jews only" acording to Netanyahu. "

    Isn't that a level of racism that even the BNP would think twice about uttering?

    no, more like not using the "comforting" euphemisms we always get.

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  • 41. At 2:24pm on 25 Oct 2009, Always wrote:

    Straightalk said: "It seems that failure in politics and banking is simply rewarded by even more cushy jobs for the boys and a few girls. Time that things changed and Europe sent a clear message to Blair and his ilk, that failure is not a qualification for promotion, however you try to spin it."

    Nice phrasing, Straightalk! I am in full agreement.

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  • 42. At 2:26pm on 25 Oct 2009, Mathiasen wrote:

    #38. AlwaysRelax
    Together with a number of other contributors you mention the lie about the weapons of mass destruction. Actually there were a few other NATO/EU- countries, where this lie from the American administration was repeated, and therefore I do not think that this thing in it self will settle the case about the presidency of the EU.

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  • 43. At 2:26pm on 25 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    #27 Straightalk

    It seems reading this blog that there is for once a very definite agreement across the great divide between the 'philes' and the 'phobes. No one, as far as I can see, wants Mr B Liar as president of the EU. Indeed most seem to think that he should be sharing a cell at the Hague with the equally unlovely Mr Karadzic.

    Straightalk was suggesting that some democracy was in order at this juncture and I have a suggestion. Why not go immediately to http://stopblair.eu/
    sign on and sign the petition? At the last count there were a little under 41,000 signatures so with an EU population of 460 million we have a way to go, but it's a start. Mail all your friends as well, spread the word, let's have a little bit of people power and cooperation.

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  • 44. At 2:28pm on 25 Oct 2009, Michael Reeves wrote:

    Bliar for European President. No, no and no again!

    This man (if you can call him that)should be on trial for selling his country out.

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  • 45. At 2:31pm on 25 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    37 Paul Baker
    "The revelation by Stephen Neather, who was there, right in the middle of it at No. 10, at the time when Tony Blair was riding high, holding the reins of power, together with Gordon Brown and the rest of the motley crew, that a deliberate decision was taken to flood this country with foreign immigrants to bring about the miscegenation of the native people of this country and achieve the Marxist dream of total multiculturalisation of the United Kingdom. At the moment they are well on the way towards achieving their dream."

    Uhmm,
    Has this got anything to to with the European Road Usage Traffic Directive? Honest guv I only put it on the blog as a spoof I didn't think anyone would believe it. You will still be allowed to drive on the left on Sundays as long as there is an 'R' in the month.

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  • 46. At 2:32pm on 25 Oct 2009, Jukka Rohila wrote:

    We are forgetting something...

    As this is the EU, the question isn't who is suitable for become the president, but who has the best hand of cows and who can play cow trading most effectively.

    One could also speculate that this isn't about trading cows to get a certain person become the president, but fooling the other side to think that trading cows for the office of EU president is worth it.

    So have the continental big countries setting a trap for Britain or others, or is Britain setting a trap for the Paris-Berlin, or are small countries playing to see who gives them the most...

    I can hardly stay tuned for the next episode of Cow Trading.

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  • 47. At 2:48pm on 25 Oct 2009, Dave H wrote:

    If Blair can do for Europe what he's done for Britain, then I would have thought the Eurosceptics would be pushing for him to take the role. You wouldn't print my real opinion of him, but suffice to say I'm not impressed by his performance in office. Slimy is far too polite a word, but it's a characteristic that will help him slide into office. In some ways it's appropriate for him to achieve an office that serves no useful purpose, the danger is that he'll manage to do more damage once he's behind the desk.

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  • 48. At 2:50pm on 25 Oct 2009, Neolithicman wrote:

    No doubt there is a lot of lobbying going on among those in the higher circles of national governments or the EU. I hope that we can trust our prime minister to ensure that our government's support is as actively expressed as was our government's vote in the UN on the report on war-crimes carried out by Israel and Hamas in Gaza. We didn't even get around to registering an abstention there. Blair doesn't deserve British support, and he surely gets paid enough without yet another super-salary plus pension for life.

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  • 49. At 2:51pm on 25 Oct 2009, Paul Baker wrote:

    45 T1m0thy

    Is that your own brain you are using, or are you breaking it in for an idiot? What I have written was breaking news yesterday and appears in several of the daily newspapers, although the BBC don't seem to have mentioned it for some reason. I simply decided I would mention it on behalf of the BBC. To give them a helping hand as it were. If you had tried checking before making a disparaging comment you would have discovered that this is one conspiracy theory that has now turned out to be true. Outlandish maybe, but nevertheless true.

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  • 50. At 3:22pm on 25 Oct 2009, Always wrote:

    At 2:26pm on 25 Oct 2009, Mathiasen wrote:
    "#38. AlwaysRelax
    Together with a number of other contributors you mention the lie about the weapons of mass destruction. Actually there were a few other NATO/EU- countries, where this lie from the American administration was repeated, and therefore I do not think that this thing in it self will settle the case about the presidency of the EU."

    I see that you are in denial against the facts, Mathiasen, besides being a Blair apologist. Did you miss reading the government website as well as the national press at the time?

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  • 51. At 3:24pm on 25 Oct 2009, cping500 wrote:

    Gavin you did not explain what the EU Council is. Secondly the the word President simply means Chairperson. The EU Council is a meeting of the Heads of Government of the EU states. Some people refer to it as a collective presidency and the Chairperson lacks executive power It used to meet as an when but now four time a year. I don't know how often it is to meet under the Lisbon Treaty. It had no constitutional position until now. The Council is supposed to lay down strategy for the Commission... most recently it has given a steer in favour of liberal capitalist economics with some social fall back. It is unlikely its Chair will need to visit Beijing. The Commissioner for trade is much more likely to do this. (Peter Mandelson used to do this rather well and might be much better better candidate for the Council) The Chair and the Chair's Office (probably to confuse the Brits even more called in Eurospeak the his cabinet) is supposed to facilitate the reaching of a consensus on the strategies among the member states. Parliaments , European and National have no part in this.

    As you say the person Obama and Hu need to call will be the High Representive for Foreign Affairs who is much more powerful

    Chris Patten is supposed to be a candidate for this job. He was a former Commissioner... maybe a bit too laid back. It is the Council of Ministers which is formally responsible for treaties and the like and of course the Commission (effectively the EU Government which get things done)

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  • 52. At 3:35pm on 25 Oct 2009, ricksuk wrote:

    Shouldn't this position be ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, Short straight to the point answer. or is the whole of Europe that Unintelligent.

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  • 53. At 3:37pm on 25 Oct 2009, markcog wrote:

    Blair for President? Miliband for Foreign Scretary?
    Nice to see the good socialists feathering their nests. Blair should be looking forward to a trial at the Hague not a life at the high table.

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  • 54. At 3:45pm on 25 Oct 2009, Mathiasen wrote:

    #50. AlwaysRelax
    Since you write, “besides being a Blair apologist”, I am certain you did not understand anything of my message.
    Let me first tell you this: I have just signed the petition against Blair. See the link in #43 (thank you, T1m0thy). What was the fact I was denying?
    Secondly: You will probably agree that a lie (did you notice I call it a lie?) is not becoming a truth because it is repeated.
    Thirdly: When leaders of other countries have said the same lie as Blair they are not likely to consider his lying any big problem, right?

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  • 55. At 3:48pm on 25 Oct 2009, TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship wrote:

    #31. At 1:51pm on 25 Oct 2009, Webjasper wrote:

    "The BNP, UKIP and many others will be counting the extra votes they will get if Blair gets the Job even now. A sure fire way to ensure that the UK becomes even more anti EU"

    But all that will mean is that the anti EU vote gets split...

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  • 56. At 3:53pm on 25 Oct 2009, TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship wrote:

    #32. At 1:51pm on 25 Oct 2009, rg wrote:

    "26. MarcusAureliusII

    "...So why shouldn't he be crowned king of the EU..."

    The UK got a leader by 'coronation' in 2007, whoopee."


    As we did in 1957...

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  • 57. At 4:02pm on 25 Oct 2009, PlanetEnglish wrote:


    Football Clubs who are in the Top of the Premier League qualify for Europe.
    Mr Blair must be in the Top 4 from UK to qualify to 'play' in Europe.
    We cannot have the Pope nominate him from the UK.

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  • 58. At 4:02pm on 25 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    #49 Paul Baker
    It's a new one, hardly used, got it cheap from an an American brain surgeon called Marcus.
    These newspapers that the news was breaking in. Let me guess, The Sun, The Times, the News of the World and the Daily Mail perchance?

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  • 59. At 4:05pm on 25 Oct 2009, crispy wrote:

    'Rich T' as president of the EU??

    Have you considered how effective he would be with an anti-European proto-fascist block Tory government in power in the UK?

    How would his past affect the outcome if, say, if the EU were to consider a rapid-reaction force?

    Would he urge the EU to implement thousands of authoritarian directives that we've had to suffer in the UK? Would he persuade the whole of Europe to be blanketed with CCTVs too?

    Is he going to appoint an office of Mandy-spin merchants? (Probably).

    How would the Balkans look upon President 'Rich T'? Invasion rather than reconciliation is his creed.

    Face it, there's too dark a cloud hanging over TB for him to represent the EU.

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  • 60. At 4:11pm on 25 Oct 2009, TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship wrote:

    #53. At 3:37pm on 25 Oct 2009, markcog wrote:

    "Nice to see the good socialists feathering their nests."

    Why am I thinking of Leon Brittan and Chris Pattern, oh hang on, that can't be right, whilst both went to work for the EU neither were/are socialist...

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  • 61. At 4:15pm on 25 Oct 2009, Sierrab23 wrote:

    Blair is after the High Rep gig, that's where the money is!

    As for Milliband's "when they land in Beijing and Moscow the traffic stops for the motorcade".

    Arrogant little schoolboy!

    How come these people need motorcades? How come they need us to stop whilst they swan by

    They are supposed to represent us...how come they can't take the tube or an airport shuttle?

    Milliband will find life a little tricky when he loses his gig next year

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  • 62. At 4:16pm on 25 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    #51 cping500
    Chris Patten, laid back, maybe but very very sharp. What a truly good idea, has any one else heard this? I can remember thinking when he lost his parliamentary seat in 1992 that it was a pity but since then he has done good work both in Hong Kong and as a European Commissioner (there have been some good ones). Maybe we should start another petition 'Chris Patten for Lord High ????? dammit what's it called? Very presumptuous name. Oh there it is, found it on another of your posts, High Representative for Foreign Affairs. Still think it sounds like Gilbert and Sullivan but clothes do not maketh the man.

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  • 63. At 4:23pm on 25 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    #59 PoodleBlair

    "Would he urge the EU to implement thousands of authoritarian directives that we've had to suffer in the UK? Would he persuade the whole of Europe to be blanketed with CCTVs too?"

    Now I'm confused I have it on the highest Eurosceptic authority 'Freeborn_John' no less that all those cameras were democratically requested by the concerned free citizens of the UK. Are we being mislead here?

    Oh and point of some private concern here, I as the owner of a Standard Poodle, am upset at the way these intelligent beautiful animals are parodied as lickspittle and spineless it is a gross misrepresentation.

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  • 64. At 4:27pm on 25 Oct 2009, TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship wrote:

    61. At 4:15pm on 25 Oct 2009, Sierrab23 wrote:

    "Blair is after the High Rep gig, that's where the money is!

    As for Milliband's "when they land in Beijing and Moscow the traffic stops for the motorcade".

    Arrogant little schoolboy!

    How come these people need motorcades? How come they need us to stop whilst they swan by

    They are supposed to represent us...how come they can't take the tube or an airport shuttle?"


    Because other arrogant 'little schoolboys', the type that liked to bully their way to getting first-pickings at the top table rather than using their brains, tend to take 'pot-shots' and the like at those who have attained what they would so dearly like to take by force - if you get my drift...

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  • 65. At 4:32pm on 25 Oct 2009, Doctuer_Eiffel wrote:

    War criminal.
    If the presidency is not elected that is a dictatorship.
    Wake up Europe WE know where that goes.

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  • 66. At 4:38pm on 25 Oct 2009, danielovich wrote:

    I am staggered that any government inside or outside the UK could even think of Blair as a candidate for European president. I know a week is a long time in politics, but how can anyone have forgotten that Blair led his country into a war in Iraq on a premise he knew to be false. And his attitude towards the EU swung between empty "commitment" and "no thanks" to real opportunities for a closer relationship, e.g. by missing the chance to join the Euro. His love affair with George W. Bush surely puts him beyond the pale. And his role as Middle East envoy has been entirely devoid of achievment. The man's a busted flush, a dud, a whited sepulcre... and a moneygrubber.


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  • 67. At 5:28pm on 25 Oct 2009, TV Licence fee payer against BBC censorship wrote:

    #65. At 4:32pm on 25 Oct 2009, Doctuer_Eiffel wrote:

    "War criminal.
    If the presidency is not elected that is a dictatorship."


    That would make the UK's Queen a dictator then, she is head of state, the EU President will be a glorified ambassador (much like the UK's monarch), there to do parliaments bidding (much like the UK's monarch)...

    "Wake up Europe WE know where that goes."

    Err, Hitler was elected, just like either the UKIP or the BNP hope to be, so yes Europe does know what happens when the ignorant masses electing extremist politicians spouting simplistic answers and or blame an easy scape-goat, thanks...

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  • 68. At 5:34pm on 25 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    #66 danielovich

    And so go to http://www.gopetition.com/online/16745.html and sign the petition.

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  • 69. At 5:59pm on 25 Oct 2009, 1963Tiger wrote:

    The UK is on the edge of the EU - we haven't adopted the Europe and don't look likely to do so in the near future, we (under Thatcher) voted NO against almost every motion under the sun and are still on the outside of many European agreements. I am guessing either this is one big joke or the others in Europe think by putting a Brit in the top job might swing us around to being good Europeans? That is like my job in the US where we are working in ISO and on metrification but neither will be adopted but the Europeans dream on - maybe they'll wake up shortly on US aims and on the UK too

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  • 70. At 6:14pm on 25 Oct 2009, BlairSupporter wrote:

    What absolutely pitiful idiotic comments we have here. As usual, the Mail readers - oh and Independent, Guardian etc too - spout on about how everyone 'KNOWS' that Blair is a liar, warmonger, war criminal etc. Not to mention having sold his country by DECIDING to flood it with immigrants!

    Do these people EVER step back and ask themselves HOW they 'KNOW' all this?

    They KNOW it (and it is ALL untrue, btw) because the papers they read which support their Tory/Old Labour/Lib-Dem/anarchy lines TELL them so.

    Tony Blair is the ONLY European politician with the nous, connections and experience to put Europe where it needs to be in the coming years - up there with the USA, and thus able to compete amd co-operate internationally with China, India, Brazil and Middle East countries.

    Wake up and grow up, people. Tony Blair Is NOT the devil incarnate. In fact he is the most successful Labour PM ever and probably one of the finest British Prime Ministers ever.

    If he is interested he should get this post. Most definitely.

    Meanwhile, if you think Tony Blair deserves a fair hearing at the Iraq Inquiry, sign here:

    http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/ban-blair-baiting.html

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  • 71. At 6:23pm on 25 Oct 2009, StrikeAChord wrote:

    A L Blair, Esq, Late of this parish seeks to publish the bans of his betrothal to all things EU, just so he can get his hands on another pension & beam in the spotlight of personal self-engrandisement as per N Kinnock et al.
    But, the Presidency of the Council of Europe is not for him. Teflon Tone needs to answer for the mess that he, & his estwhile sidekick J G Brown, have left for future generations.

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  • 72. At 6:29pm on 25 Oct 2009, I am not a number wrote:

    #67. Boilerplated wrote ""That would make the UK's Queen a dictator then, she is head of state, the EU President will be a glorified ambassador (much like the UK's monarch), there to do parliaments bidding (much like the UK's monarch)..."

    Your comparison is quite wrong, for one thing the British Monarch does actually have power and second the position isn't that similar with the head of state.
    The best role you can compare the role is with the Lord Speaker, who, in this case, will also have to represent the institution abroad. A speaker is also called 'president' in numerous countries (such as France and Germany) and last time I checked there's no special election in any country where people vote who gets to be the speaker.

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  • 73. At 6:29pm on 25 Oct 2009, JobyJak wrote:

    Introduced tuition fees.
    Lost the respect of the police.
    Introduced mass immigration without adequate resources.
    Illegally invaded and occupied two countries because "God" told him.
    Presided over the biggest increase in debt the country has ever seen.

    Yet he is a suitable canididate for such a powerful position?

    This so-called democracy is simply an old boys club that we the public have no real say over, and this news just proves that even more.

    The public have had enough of all politicians and unless there is some drastic changes such as signicantly reducing the number of MP's and giving them an independent regulator, people will lose faith all together in the MP's from the 3 main parties and parties like the BNP will just get stronger and stronger.

    The public cannot stand Tony Blair for how he ignored us and the mistakes he made, yet he can go for this position? How does that make any sense?

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  • 74. At 6:30pm on 25 Oct 2009, ObserverinMonmouth wrote:

    Everyone should consider voting in the stop Blair petition. Help save us all from this duplicitious self publicist who will simply increase his fortune and his wife's at our and europe's expense.

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  • 75. At 6:34pm on 25 Oct 2009, northernraider wrote:

    How can we possibly let a liar and war criminal into the top job in europe its simply obscene, He should be in the Hague facing war crimes charges not trying to get the presidents job, This is just more proof that the EU is completely corrupt and Britain should have no part in it.

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  • 76. At 6:39pm on 25 Oct 2009, alan smith wrote:

    I've got three words, No! No! No!

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  • 77. At 6:43pm on 25 Oct 2009, U7161659 wrote:

    Surely the man who refused to take Britain into the Euro cannot be leader of the EU. Or am I missing something?

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  • 78. At 6:46pm on 25 Oct 2009, johnfran27 wrote:

    Deceit and conspiracy for war, and providing false news to incite passions for war, causing in the order of one million deaths, 4 million refugees, countless maimings and traumas.
    yeah the Rothschilds must love him......

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  • 79. At 6:51pm on 25 Oct 2009, saltfordman wrote:

    A few reasons why Blair should not even be considered as EU President:
    1. Why should EU trust him when he lied to the British about a referendum (and many other things too).
    2. France and Germany consistently opposed him in the UN Council.
    3. He is a war monger (Balkans, Afghanistan, Iraq) would not suit the pacificist EU.
    4. Most Britons oppose (according to Opinion Polls) most of the EU policies (agriculture, common defence, common Foreign policy etc.)
    5. In the words of the British soldier's father 'he has blood on his hands' from the Iraq war.
    6. Why would Blair be considered a strong President - he talks only, never does anything.
    7. Blair has been an unknown and complete failure as Middle East envoy.
    8. In the end he was thrown out even by his own Party and he is not liked by most Conservatives other then Central Office, so why would he be considered as a successful British PM, even if that was considered to be a qualification to be EU President.

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  • 80. At 6:52pm on 25 Oct 2009, DavidG wrote:

    Bush's poodle as EU president?
    Sounds a pathetic joke!
    Tony does deserve a prominent place in a European capital,
    Not Brussel, of course it better be Hague - the International war crime court. He deserved it many times more, than its current residents - all Miloceviches and Karadziches of the world combined!

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  • 81. At 7:02pm on 25 Oct 2009, Reaper_of_Souls wrote:

    # 78. johnfran27 wrote:

    "yeah the Rothschilds must love him......"

    More JP Morgan

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  • 82. At 7:09pm on 25 Oct 2009, ikamaskeip wrote:

    This undemocratic, unaccountable and unresponsive conglomerate of 27 Nations deserves the President most suited to the 3 charges I make against the EU - - and thus, President Anthony Blair - - truly a match made in those Paris-Berlin-Brussels EUrocratic halls of conceit, corruption and deception.

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  • 83. At 7:17pm on 25 Oct 2009, Arman wrote:

    EU without Tony the Lair will be in much better position than having him as its president. It would be an insult to European Nations if we have him as EU president, if so then why not his former owner Bush as UN next General Secretary !

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  • 84. At 7:19pm on 25 Oct 2009, rg wrote:

    56. Boilerplated

    [The UK got a leader by 'coronation' in 2007, whoopee.]

    "...As we did in 1957..."

    Two wrongs don't make a right. Today's PM wasn't even elected by his party membership.

    It is a disgrace to think that this pretender will vote on President of the European Council.

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  • 85. At 7:22pm on 25 Oct 2009, rg wrote:

    60. Boilerplated

    "...Why am I thinking of Leon Brittan and Chris Pattern..."

    I didn't know their names were in the frame?

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  • 86. At 7:25pm on 25 Oct 2009, democracythreat wrote:

    BlairSupporter wrote:
    "What absolutely pitiful idiotic comments we have here. As usual, the Mail readers - oh and Independent, Guardian etc too - spout on about how everyone 'KNOWS' that Blair is a liar, warmonger, war criminal etc. Not to mention having sold his country by DECIDING to flood it with immigrants!

    Do these people EVER step back and ask themselves HOW they 'KNOW' all this?

    They KNOW it (and it is ALL untrue, btw) because the papers they read which support their Tory/Old Labour/Lib-Dem/anarchy lines TELL them so."

    I saw Blair look into the camera and say to the world that Saddam Hussein had WMD that could strike the UK in 45 minutes.

    I remember it well, because I split coffee on myself as a result.

    The context was a crucial vote in the commons to commit troops to an illegal war of aggression to bring about regime change in a state that posed no threat to the UK or to the USA. (thus it was illegal)

    How dare you, blair supporter, say now that I "read somewhere" that this man is a war criminal?

    I saw it, I heard it, and so did millions of other people. We saw with our own eyes, and we heard with our own ears.

    The man is a war criminal with the blood of his own soldiers on his hands, not to mention tens of thousands of women and children, and he should be hung by the neck until he no longer lives. His body should be dumped in an unmarked grave, for what he has done.

    Blair is a mass murdering criminal and he is a monster. He lied to make illegal war, and that puts him in the same cabin as Adolf Hitler.

    Now is to be rewarded for his service to the party. Blair is to become the example to guide every other aspiring politician in Europe.

    The lesson from the Blair example is simple: Do not worry about the people. Do not worry about international law, or how many children you butcher with your idiotic lies.

    The only thing you need to worry about is whether you do as the party dictates. If you do, the party will reward you. The party needs people who will look into the camera and lie to make war. The party needs people who will mass butcher children for the sake of their political ambition.

    The party needs these sorts of people because the party needs to know that it has absolute control over the people it chooses to carry out its policies. Only then can the party claim to have absolute complete control over the people.

    And that is why Blair will become president of the EU. The party must have complete control, and the threat of popularism must be stamped out like an iraqi child who gets in the way of an expensive tank.

    If you do not understand this, you just don't understand how cults and sects work. It is "Us vs Them". It is "the chosen people vs the devils spawn". it is good versus evil. It is the divine against the darkness.

    Blair did not become a catholic for no reason.

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  • 87. At 7:41pm on 25 Oct 2009, Jericoa wrote:

    #70

    Fascinating post, totally against the grain. I agree only in the sense that Tony Blair is the most talented politician I have seen or I am ever likely to see, his political skill is sublime to the extent of getting the Tories to applaud him on his last day in office.

    Utterly amazing!!

    I have no doubt that he is working his magic on Europe also and elsewhere, as you say he is hugely well connected accross the board, you could not premeditate a more powerful global political CV outside of the states. UK prime minister who has the political skill to jump ship just before the ship he designed sank, friend of the US, special envoy to the middle east, friend of the vatican.


    That is where my agreement stops. Irrespective of various newspapers hate campaigns and his undoubted unparralled skill there is a dark cloud which hovers over his premiership here which refuses to go away, it refuses to go away because it is tangible. The most remarkable thing about his skill is that he seems relatively untainted by it...amazing.

    His cynical (and brilliantly managed) wrestling with catholicism during his premiership only to suddenly make up his mind and convert afterwards.

    The 42 minute claim as part of the dossier on weapons of mass destruction.

    The stink will not go away because there is substance behind it. The war in iraq was a geopolitical powerplay war formulated by two evangelicals in advance of any dossier and sold as a war on terror, to protect us and free the iraqi people to the populace. It was a disaster.

    His promise to the people on Question time that we would be voting for him for a full term.

    I could go on.

    The upshot is an utterly brilliant and charming individual, all the more dangerous for it, who probably does not even have a notion himself of how dangerous he is, again all the more dangerous for it.

    European president?

    Who knows what havoc he could create.

    He will win it by the way.......

    Put your house on it.

    Jericoa.










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  • 88. At 7:43pm on 25 Oct 2009, HJvanderBlom wrote:

    Mr. T.Blair doesn't get this top job: France and Germany are dead against it and the smaller countries have little or no say in it. It may be a good thing for Britain but certainly not for Europe. Mr. Blair was George Bushe's best friend and no European. Furthermore an Englishman will never get a high position in Europe as long as Britain is not in the Euro.

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  • 89. At 7:50pm on 25 Oct 2009, democracythreat wrote:

    We all know why journalists at the BBC need to toe the party line. They just get sacked and nobody ever employs them again if they do not. That is pretty clear to adults who understand how power hierarchies like the BBC operate.

    But not everybody understands how the dominant political parties in Europe horse trade (it is called cow trading on this thread also).

    Anyone who is curious to know how the dominant political parties are able to keep such a strangle hold on power in Europe needs to understand the role of the party executive.

    The party executive are the faceless people who broker advertising revenue for media corporations which provide political airtime for prospective candidates. These people do not give interviews, and they do not run for elected office. What they do is they solicit advertising revenue for media corporations.

    So how does that translate into political power?

    Well, a good case study is Lord Mendelson. You know the guy: he has been caught out repeatedly for being corrupt and he is not elected, and yet he is the most influential person in Britain. So this guy is a perfect example of how party power operates. Now his father owned a newspaper firm that decided to throw its weight behind the labour party cause. In return, when labour came into office, of course his paper was rewarded with government media contracts. You need to understand that government media contracts are as vast as they are unending. The government publishes an incredible amount of classified advertisements every day, for jobs, for deaths and births, for tenders, and for a whole host of other things which are more or less required to govern.

    All of that media space is sold to the government of the day a "market rates". Which means whatever the government of the day agree to pay the newspaper owner at the time.

    Now the party has evolved in Britain and elsewhere in the western world such that the party executive do not just do deals with newspaper barons. It is not just Lord Mendelson's father who is the power broker for the party. The party executive also keep a very careful record of who contributes how much to the party. And so too do the media barons. So you have a trinity, a three way power system: the party, the media baron and the corporate advertisers. Each keeps its own record of who is paying what to whom.

    This is where the horse trading comes from.

    When the party executive get together with the corporate shareholders, it is understood that the corporate shareholders have already gotten together with the media barons. The media barons and the corporate shareholders have already chosen and groomed the party executive since university days, and they draw up a short list of possible candidates to be then put forward by the party.

    It is then up to the party executive to work with that list.

    So when you have the labour party from Britain doing deals with the SDP from Germany or France, you are talking about negotiations for limited members of pre-configured short lists.

    This is why Blair has to be given the presidency of the EU. Not because he is qualified or suitable, but rather because the current crop of university graduates who have been selected for political careers have got to understand how the system works.

    Blair did as he was told. He was willing to commit war crimes and the mass murder of children in order to obey the party executive, and that makes him, for better or worse, a loyal man. Loyal to the party, not to the British public. Loyal to the party, and therefore a safe bet for advertising shareholders and media barons.

    Therefore he must be seen to reap a reward. If he is not rewarded, perhaps the next hand picked university graduate who is chosen to do the party business will hesitate. Perhaps the next hand picked party member will defy the corporate shareholders and the media barons, and will refrain from doing precisely as he is told.

    So this is a credibility issue, within the party. It is precisely because Blair is a war criminal that he must the next EU president. It is precisely because Blair committed treason and split the blood of his own troops and of children that he must be made president.

    Doing those things was not his idea. That was the party line. Blair just gritted his teeth and did what he was told to do by the party, who were in turn told what to do by the shareholders of corporations who stood to make a vast amount of profit from the policy.

    If Blair is not rewarded, it will send totally the wrong message to the current party members. It will say that first you cover your own rear end, THEN you listen to the party executive.

    And that will not do, folks. It would not do in the soviet union, and it will not do in modern Europe.

    People are wrong to say Blair was Bush's poodle. That is just crazy. Bush and Blair got their marching orders from different party executives, who in turn had meetings with the same corporate shareholders and media barons. That is why they went along with the same policy, arm in arm.

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  • 90. At 7:52pm on 25 Oct 2009, johnfran27 wrote:

    jp morgan is rothschild......

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  • 91. At 7:52pm on 25 Oct 2009, bagally wrote:

    Britain wants Blair? when are we having a vote on that? As far as I can see nobody wants him or his wife, as they are a pair of self centered money grabbers.

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  • 92. At 7:53pm on 25 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    #73 JobyJak
    My answer to you is the same as to another earlier go to http://www.gopetition.com/online/16745.html
    and register your disapproval. Ask all your friends to do the same

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  • 93. At 7:55pm on 25 Oct 2009, hudicourt wrote:

    Tony Blair took Britain to war on fabricated evidence when 90% of the World knew that this war was wrong, immoral and illegal. Blair and Australia's Howard attempted to give legitimacy to George W Bush's catastrophic foreign policy blunders.
    Blair has no business being President of the Eu, like he has no business being the Quartet representative in Palestine. He is not a neutral party in the Palestine-Israeli conflict. Imposing him on the Palestinians was an insult to them.
    The Uk's big problem today was that the Labour Party, which is supposed to be left leaning, had a right leaning NEO-CON Prime Minister, and the only way to vote them out of power today, is to vote to the right of him, since there is no-one to the left. This is where Tony Blair left the UK.

    Blair should dig a hole and make people forget him.

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  • 94. At 7:56pm on 25 Oct 2009, MarcusAureliusII wrote:

    Cocoa bean;

    " I agree only in the sense that Tony Blair is the most talented politician I have seen or I am ever likely to see, his political skill is sublime"

    He must be, otherwise with his track record he'd have been thrown out with last week's trash.

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  • 95. At 8:11pm on 25 Oct 2009, cnutblair wrote:

    Democracry threat - I love you. Why? Because when I read your comments, and those of many other people on this blog too, I realise that my views about Blair are shared by many and this in turn reassures me in two ways. First, I am reassured that I am not mad and second, I am reassured that the majority of people in this country are not mad either. May I say that I am not a Daily Mail reader. I used to admire Blair. Yes, it's true but now I honestly (and I mean this with all sincerity) believe that Blair should be sitting in a cell in the Hague awaiting trial for war crimes, for taking this country into a disastrous, illegal war based on lies. Only recently, the most senior judge in this country questioned the legality of the war and the accuracy of Goldsmith's Advice, which we all know he changed anyway - he got it right the first time when he thought the UN would pass the second resolution. And yet, there are those in the media and politicians who talk about Blair as "a global superstar", about how he would be good to have as EU president. I find this incredible and depressing and it makes me angry but then I read peoples' comments about Blair and can see that most people, at least in this country who know Blair for waht he is unlike those poor deluded foreigners who seem to like him, are sane and rational. It's not about party politics - I don't like the Tories and probably never will - it's about what Tony Blair said and did, and that is what matters.

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  • 96. At 8:14pm on 25 Oct 2009, Mathiasen wrote:

    To all contributors!
    Various members of the EP are against the candidature of Blair. Daniel Cohn-Bendit from the Green party is among these members. His reason is Blair’s role in the war in Iraq.
    However, the majority of the leaders are centre-right politicians. Will they elect Blair or one of their own?

    It would indeed be interesting if contributors from various member states would report about the discussions in their country.

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  • 97. At 8:16pm on 25 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    From post number 74 onwards you nearly all say the same thing NO BLAIR and I repeat my suggestion. Go to http://www.gopetition.com/online/16745.html
    and register your vote on the petition then tell all your friends.
    It's less than two weeks ago that a mass of postings on twitter changed a high court ruling. Everyone on this blog is bemoaning the absence of democracy so let's put a little people power into action.

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  • 98. At 8:23pm on 25 Oct 2009, nottoonear wrote:


    Blair is a gormless, slimy, stomach-churning coward. Wake up # 70; he's not even convincing. An absolute pathetic excuse of an immature man.

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  • 99. At 8:30pm on 25 Oct 2009, Mack2009 wrote:

    There is no way that Blair should be even considered for the post. He was rejected by the electorate in the UK through the various MPs who kicked him out, he seems to have failed as the Middle East Envoy, and should be investigated in relation to the reasons for the involvement of the UK forces in the war in Iraq.

    One plus though is that he doesn't seemed to have been adversely affected by the expenses scandal ........ because the paperwork was burned/shredded/lost?

    Tony Blair as President of Europe ...... NEVER, NEVER, EVER!

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  • 100. At 8:31pm on 25 Oct 2009, AntonfromLancs wrote:

    O please not Blair - a consummate politician in every bad sense of the word. I hated having him in authority over me as PM and I don't want it again.

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  • 101. At 8:34pm on 25 Oct 2009, cnutblair wrote:

    I have now read the whole of democracythreat's comments and while I would agree with much of the anti Blair sentimentl I would not agree with everything he/she said. Be that as it may, it is good to know that a lot of people, and certainly the majority of people posting their comments on this blog, are strongly opposed to Blair's candidacy for EU President. I trust that the people posting on this blog represent a reasonably broad cross section of society, be that British European or whatever, and are not part of some small cult or sect (i.e. not all Daily Mail readers) because that would be quite depressing. I suspect the majority of people, however, could not really care if Blair becomes EU President because they do not really care about that sort of thing though that does not mean that they would want him to be EU President, and if they thought about it enough would probably agree that he really ought to be facing war crimes charges along with his old mucker George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Straw, Hoon etc. Of course, if someone out there would like to put a compelling case across as to why Blair is not a war criminal I would be happy to hear it but so far I have not heard any reasoned argument.

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  • 102. At 8:35pm on 25 Oct 2009, Jericoa wrote:

    #98

    Ou contraire he is incredibly convincing, that is what makes him so succesful and so dangerous.

    #96

    As has been exposed by Nu- labours disastrous love in with the banks (tax receipts in return for GB's light touch tripartite banking regulation system), he is in fact very much centre right.

    he will win it as night follows day.

    #94 please dont quote me out of context (see my post #87). It is a testament to his sublime skill as a politician that he got the tories to givehim a standing ovation on his last day in parliament. I happen to think he is an incredibly dangerous man as I explained earlier.

    Jericoa

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  • 103. At 8:39pm on 25 Oct 2009, Stewart Edwards wrote:

    Europe needs a Peoples president who stands apart from the established rulers. Someone who isnt afraid of standing up to powers that be and who is able to open hearts, and understands that Europe needs to become more relvent to its citizens. A common man. I in all seriousness put myself forwards for the job. Now where do I apply?

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  • 104. At 8:48pm on 25 Oct 2009, Jericoa wrote:

    #103

    No point applying as you are clearly overqualified for the position.

    we are ruled by 'career politicians' who have learnt the system to serve their ambitions. The system needs to be upgraded regularly to avoid the ingenious darker side of human nature from exploiting it for self interest purposes. democracy v 2.0 is needed.

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  • 105. At 8:57pm on 25 Oct 2009, Stewart Edwards wrote:

    #104

    Sadly I dont think that it would be physically possible for me to apply, given that it appears to be a jobs for the boys role. If I could I would however apply. First glance at my cv would probably have people in stitches, but a deeper rumage would show that I do have what is required to make Europe work more effectively. I would however be unpopular as I did my job. I would have to watch the knifes that is for sure as I rocked the boat and shook the tree.

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  • 106. At 9:12pm on 25 Oct 2009, governments lie wrote:

    What ever we may think of the EU surely it doesn't deserve to be stuck with Blair. He tried, and very nearly succeeded, in turning the post of Prime Minister into that of President, he has a record of being a control freak, he managed to break up the UK and no doubt would try to do the same with the EU. He lied to us and took the UK into an illegal war on Bushes' coat tails. With that track record how could anyone could think he is the man to head up the EU.

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  • 107. At 9:20pm on 25 Oct 2009, findegorgorito wrote:

    You don't need someone able to stop cars on the roads of Moscow or Beijing, there are already plenty of road police on duty doing just that... We need someone we can trust and someone who can represent Europe with honesty and respect to its principles (including thou shalt not kill), and not someone who would betray his own country for his own interest. If he is able to put Britain to shame under the command of the worst president in the history of the USA and send his men and women in the Army to death only for his own benefit, what would he not be prepared to do in the European Union. I am gradually becoming a Eurosceptic and I am aware of many others in Europe like me, Blair being the President would be the final blast to a short lived dream...

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  • 108. At 9:28pm on 25 Oct 2009, abdulmismail wrote:

    Why is it that we, the European citizens, cannot vote for who the EC President should be? What ever happened to democratic values?

    Blair should be in the dock for treason for lying to the British people and taking us to war which has led to our soliders killing innocents, our soldiers being put in harms way against an 'enemy' which wasn't a threat to the UK and for creating an army of volunteers (both here at home as well as abroad) willing to attack us like on July 7th.

    Blair's government also allowed the transportation of cluster bombs via British territory when the Israelis were in clear violation of their use during the 2006 Lebanon War.

    To then be appointed representative of the Quartet as Middle East envoy is like appointing a serial arsonist responsible for the deaths of thousands as the Head of the London Fire Brigade.

    His actions are despicable and he should not even be considered as the President of the EC.

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  • 109. At 9:33pm on 25 Oct 2009, Stewart Edwards wrote:

    Just remember Edwards for president.

    The man who has a proven track record of:-

    1. Helping people move their lives forward.
    2. Inspiring people and being peer recognised for it.
    3. Standing up to powers that be (and being thumped down for it on occassion)

    And who doesnt trust politicians as far as he could throw them. But who is willing to step up to the task.

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  • 110. At 9:38pm on 25 Oct 2009, Jericoa wrote:

    #108

    But he is being considered and what is more he will be voted for by fellow professional 'career politicians' who will respect him more for his political skill than his actual actions. he is incredibly charming and engaging in the flesh and most of those who will be voting for him will have met him.

    It may seem very strange to you and me but the political system is such that it has been learnt and it is now being manipulated, there is only the illusion of choice for voters.

    It is almost certaqin that he will win unless there is some kind of blog uprising or similar which it the only true free space now thanks to the courts.

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  • 111. At 9:40pm on 25 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    #109 abdulmismail
    But we can vote do it now go to http://www.gopetition.com/online/16745.html and register your protest. That applies to everyone on this blog do not just complain take action.

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  • 112. At 9:42pm on 25 Oct 2009, Friendlycard wrote:

    At first thought, even the possibility of Tony "The Phoney" Bliar becoming EU president seems surreal. This is the man who promised to put Britain "at the heart of Europe", and then sided with Bush - and against Germany and France - over the illegal invasion of Iraq. But international politics CAN be surreal - Bliar led the invasion of an Arab country, yet somehow got appointed as a Middle East 'peace' envoy!

    He's plausible, let's admit it. But let's hope against hope that he doesn't get the EU presidency. Hasn't he done more than enough damage already?

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  • 113. At 9:42pm on 25 Oct 2009, Stewart Edwards wrote:

    #108 So get blogging about me - see http://chkrpavement.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=recent and http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88169

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  • 114. At 9:45pm on 25 Oct 2009, Jericoa wrote:

    #110

    sorry i meant to say thanks to the courts, alaistair campbell, Rupert murdoch and all similar privately owned and leveraged media.

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  • 115. At 9:46pm on 25 Oct 2009, Friendlycard wrote:

    111. T1m0thy:

    Thank you for the link. I've signed the petition, and urge others to do so. There is also a 10 Downing Street petition to have Blair indicted for War Crimes. I've signed that one as well.

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  • 116. At 9:53pm on 25 Oct 2009, Friendlycard wrote:

    88. HJvanderBlom:

    ".....an Englishman will never get a high position in Europe as long as Britain is not in the Euro".

    Actually, Bliar is Scottish, not English.

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  • 117. At 9:58pm on 25 Oct 2009, EUprisoner209456731 wrote:

    A few days ago I turned on my radio to hear the BBC news and caught the end of a programme about the end of the communist East German regime in 1989.

    I heard an interview from 1989 with a young East German man.

    He said something like:

    "We want to choose our own leaders. We don't want people who are foisted on us."

    Whether it is Blair or a chimpanzee he or she will be foisted upon us just like in the good old GDR.

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  • 118. At 10:03pm on 25 Oct 2009, threnodio wrote:

    "Britain wants a powerful big hitter as president, so does France, Italy and probably Spain".

    I think you probably mean the British government Gavin. Judging from some of the posts, the only thing a good many people want in Britain is 'out'. However, I can see the virtues in Milliband as High Representative for Foreign Affairs. It will be a lot easier for the Europe to accept the British perspective if none of them have a foreign policy. And what about Mandelson for Lord High Commissioner for Defence?

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  • 119. At 10:11pm on 25 Oct 2009, EUprisoner209456731 wrote:

    "Britain wants a powerful big hitter as president..."

    We have an arrogant anti-democratic clique running the country because we have a lousy voting system. They want a ...

    I doubt it the country as a whole does given that they do not even want the Lisbon Treaty.

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  • 120. At 10:16pm on 25 Oct 2009, EUprisoner209456731 wrote:

    "My understanding is that the former prime minister would not be interested in just chairing summits and seeking out consensus."

    I am sure that Gavin is right.

    "Consensus?" That would surely mean that he would be interested in something somebody else said or thought and actually listened rather than pretending to listen!

    Presumably he just want to be a lousy dictator in Brussels as he was in the UK.

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  • 121. At 10:19pm on 25 Oct 2009, Electric Hermit wrote:

    No! No! No! No! No!

    Hang on! Let me think a moment.

    NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

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  • 122. At 10:39pm on 25 Oct 2009, Andy Wood wrote:

    Notlimah: "Most of Britain does not wish to be associated with Blair"
    LOL - there's a reasonable chance we wouldn't have voted to ratify the Lisbon Treaty at all, if we'd been given the chance we were promised, let alone be associated with Blair!
    What with Brown hanging on to the last to ensure there's no time left for us to have that referendum - it's all far to Machiavellian for my liking!

    But surely, as Blair has wangled Irish passports for his family so they no longer have to travel under their British ones he'll be an Irish EU President anyway, which is fair as they voted for it - the second time around ... but presumably they'll have to vote on it again next year to make it best of three?

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  • 123. At 10:51pm on 25 Oct 2009, DistantTraveller wrote:

    Gavin, you report "David Miliband said today it was very important for Europe to have a strong figure"

    Is a having a 'strong figure' more important than a democratically elected figure?

    Let's not forget that the leaders of the European member states shamefully and disgracefully conspired together to deny their own citizens a vote on whether they wanted an appointed 'president' in the first place.

    Having pushed this treaty through without any democratic legitimacy, foisting an unelected President upon us now seems par for the course.

    Apart from Gordon Brown, it's hard to think of a more unpopular choice than the slippery Tony Blair.

    The EU is not merely undemocratic - it is anti democratic. People will either stop voting altogether - or may switch to extremist parties on the fringe in protest. The European leaders have much to answer for.

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  • 124. At 11:18pm on 25 Oct 2009, andrew wrote:

    What a sad and significant comment from the colleague of Gavin Hewitt:
    'the white working class was probably the only section of society that could be openly abused. They could be called "trash" or "chavs"' and no one objected'.
    This would be unacceptable under a Tory government. Under a so-called Labour government it is utterly despicable. Blair and Brown should be ashamed of themselves for creating such a country under the banner of 'Labour'. Though we should have seen it coming.
    Andrew Rawnsley quoted Blair early in his premiership: 'I've taken away from my (sic) party everything they thought they believed in. What keeps them together is success and power'. Yup, that's it in a nutshell. 'I'll give you (i.e. 'me') power if you give up all you believe in, including respect for the ordinary people, (and integrity, and honesty, and decency, oh and truth....)

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  • 125. At 11:19pm on 25 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    #119 & 120 SuffolkBoy2

    Just for once we are on the same side, please stop the rant and vote. Go to http://stopblair.eu/ and make your voice count. To be sure we all know that Blair is a Sociopath but we have to make the so called 'professional politicians' understand that we know that.

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  • 126. At 11:20pm on 25 Oct 2009, Clive of India wrote:

    Some EU governments better be careful, lest they get what they think they want. A man with a first class degree in deceit and deception whose marriage to vanity would make Narcissus blanch. Anyway, happily, I can't believe that he can have time to be EU president. Surely, all his current energies are being expended on advising the pope on how to shaft the Anglican church?

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  • 127. At 00:02am on 26 Oct 2009, unclegiblets wrote:

    #2 Boilerplated said "...to put the EU on the world stage". Does anyone (that matters) in the world not know that the EU exists then?

    #9 Boilerplated said "...and that has what relevance to the position of EU president?" Duh, I think only you and #70 might miss the problem there. He (apparently - let's not forget his previous job!) not just lied to us, he lied knowingly. I consider this a major failing in my democratically elected* leaders.

    If other EU nations started spouting the same 45-mins malarkey could it be because our govt said: The Americans, would they lie to you?" and they thought "The UK, yeah, they've been standing up for honesty, freedom and democracy for a couple of hundred years now. We'll trust them if they say so (sadly forgetting the UK was under new management). Thousands of troops dead, tens of thousands of civvies dead, country smashed to bits, thousands of new enemies and the only ones who seem to have gained are the US businesses who "won" contracts to
    A) supply the military with weapons to pound Iraq to rubble with
    B) supply the military with bases for the troops while they were there
    C) provide security (!!!) to the army bases, and then
    D) rebuild the country once the military had finished demolishing it

    And let's not forget the US and UK businesses who
    E) are busy hoovering up the oil, to the financial detriment of the Iraqi people (and the planet, of course).

    #20 DavidBLydd - I'm speechless too ;-)

    #67 Boilerplated said "...there to do parliaments bidding". Are you having a laugh? Like he did when he was in No.10 you mean? Yeah, upholding democracy and following the rules laid down for the job, they were his strong points weren't they?

    #70 Blair Supporter - You're blair himself, aren't you? Can I have some of what you've got please? Your reality's far nicer than mine. On second thoughts, it might be Alzheimers so I'll pass actually.

    Things can only get better? Only if what you've currently got is really, really cack. Maybe it was meant to be prophetic, as in, after Blair things will improve. LOLZ to that.

    #86 Democracythreat - well done for getting that posted. Could possibly've said it better (well, more graphically) but that'd never have passed the mods.

    The deluded #70 notwithstanding, most of the comments here seem along the lines of: criminal who deserves a cell more than a high office, not the person any right-minded person with the remotest grasp of recent history would want for the job (notice how everyone's talking about the holder of the office now whereas just a few weeks ago there wasn't even a potential EU Presidency in the offing? That's that hurdle crossed now, isn't it - get everyone so busy arguing over who's going to do the job no-one notices none of us were actually asked if we wanted the position to be created in the first place?). My cynicism and lack of faith in human nature seem as well placed as ever.

    The mere fact no-one wants him to do it because of previous experience of letting him run things (and you'd expect better attention to detail from a barrister really) means he's a dead cert for the job. Forcing things through that no-one wants to happen, and against the wishes of elected parliaments, should be listed under "skills and abilities" on his CV. And charge-sheet.

    * The elections he "won" in the UK (much like his ol' country-invading buddy George over in the US) were done so with not much more than 50% of the electorate voting, and not much more than 50% of them voting for Bliars party. Isn't half of a half a quarter? So, although this is a democracy we're in, the ruling party is now being run by a man who wasn't leading the party the last time anyone voted for it, and the last time anyone did vote only a quarter(ish) of the population actually voted for that party? Did the rules for, or definition of, democracy change and I missed that meeting? Should I now go and get a new dictionary?

    Do you now see why President Blair is an inevitability?

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  • 128. At 00:09am on 26 Oct 2009, Ys1980 wrote:

    We should get a vote for the EU president . I'm French , i want Europe to be more transparent & democratic , i want a vote and thus have a say about who gets the job , he will talk and decide in our names after all .

    I also hope the British people will get the vote they want , whether it is about Lisbon or about their very presence in the EU . It's not good to have reluctant members although i would prefer the UK to remain in it (for symbolic reasons mainly as despite the past rivalry , Britain and France are like sisters , they share a lot of things , values , interests and history ) .

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  • 129. At 00:14am on 26 Oct 2009, unclegiblets wrote:

    "Britain wants a powerful big hitter as president..."

    I know I'm not everyone in Britain but can I say "Not in my name" please?

    Cool, I guess I just did.

    I don't want an EU president, I don't want a United States of Europe (since this is where we're so obviously headed), I don't want Britain in the Euro, I don't want Britain in Iraq or Afghanistan either for that matter.

    Sadly, I don't think I'm going to be in luck with any one of them.

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  • 130. At 00:28am on 26 Oct 2009, unclegiblets wrote:

    #124 - hear hear

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  • 131. At 00:32am on 26 Oct 2009, HarryLake wrote:

    I congratulate thegangofone (comment 25) on his succinct summary of my thoughts. Spot on, on every count!

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  • 132. At 06:18am on 26 Oct 2009, mimpromptu wrote:

    If I were Angela Merkel I would not only strongly oppose Tony Blair's election for the Presidency of the EU but would put my foot down and reject the idea outright. He ain't neat on basic human rights with regard to peace loving British residents which may go as far as him being challenged by the Law Lords in Parliament Square, London.
    It wouldn't be right then to have the President of Europe being dragged through the courts, would it?

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  • 133. At 06:23am on 26 Oct 2009, moriaeencomium wrote:

    What? What's going on? What in the world is this? Is he still at large?!

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  • 134. At 08:32am on 26 Oct 2009, Andy-in-France wrote:

    #116 Friendlycard - enough said!

    # 125 Tim0thy - done it! Thanks for the link!

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  • 135. At 08:51am on 26 Oct 2009, kuergun wrote:

    Who wants a 33 deg free mason who is part of the Illuminati, who is responsible for the deaths of many innocent people, who died in an illegal war in Iraq. This murderer who sent our sons and daughters, husbands and wives to fight a war in Afghanistan because the Taliban would not allow Rockefeller to lay an oil pipe line across there country. This liar who claims the Taliban is a threat to Britain is now wanting to be president of Europe. Is this a joke? How can any of us allow such a criminal to walk our streets never mind be a president!!!

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  • 136. At 09:06am on 26 Oct 2009, EUprisoner209456731 wrote:

    129. At 00:14am on 26 Oct 2009, unclegiblets wrote:

    ' "Britain wants a powerful big hitter as president..."

    I know I'm not everyone in Britain but can I say "Not in my name" please? ...'

    No! They won't let you, at least not through the ballot box. They may stop this sort of stuff eventually.

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  • 137. At 09:07am on 26 Oct 2009, EUprisoner209456731 wrote:

    132. At 06:18am on 26 Oct 2009, mimpromptu wrote:

    " ...
    It wouldn't be right then to have the President of Europe being dragged through the courts, would it?"

    I presume he would have immunity form prosecution. Don't they all?

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  • 138. At 09:18am on 26 Oct 2009, EUprisoner209456731 wrote:

    128. At 00:09am on 26 Oct 2009, Ys1980 wrote:

    " ... Britain and France are like sisters , they share a lot of things , values , interests and history "

    If they are like sisters then they are like sisters who get on better from a distance and should never go on holiday together, especially not sharing a room.

    What people in the UK and elsewhere in Europe say about the French police is not nice. What British policemen say about the French police and continental policemen in general is not nice. What French people who live in the UK say about the French police is definitely not nice.


    Don't ever let them send French policemen against us here in the UK. It is in nobody's interest, especially not that of the French policemen.

    The "EU" creates more sources of friction than we need. That Monnet bloke was wrong about European unity. Nice paintings though!



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  • 139. At 09:19am on 26 Oct 2009, RCalvo wrote:

    The important thing about the opposition against the Blair candidacy is that it is so broad. Pro-EU continentals are against it, as are anti-EU Brits (except the most cynical who see it as yet another way of discrediting the EU). Left-wingers are against it, as are right-wingers. Usually, opposition from both extremes is a good signal that a compromise is well-centred. But in this case, the "extremes" are so broad, that it's difficult to believe there is any centre ground left to defend. The only argument that the (scarce) defenders of the Blair candidacy can put forward is that the president of the EU Council must be a "Big Beast". Apart from the fact that this is arguable, this disingenuously presumes that Blair is the only big political beast available. Mary Robinson and Mahti Ahtissari, to name but two other potential candidates, are both better qualified and far less controversial. And if you are looking for a consummated political operator, then arguably Jean-Claude Juncker is your man (also, his sarcastic wit is far more quotable than Blair's inane management-speak. For instance, about bankers: "They hold me in about as much regard as I hold them.")

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  • 140. At 09:20am on 26 Oct 2009, Andy-in-France wrote:

    # 135 kuergun I think you have been reading too much Dan Brown!

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  • 141. At 09:27am on 26 Oct 2009, EUprisoner209456731 wrote:

    123. At 10:51pm on 25 Oct 2009, DistantTraveller wrote:

    " ... People will either stop voting altogether ..."

    I almost have done. I will only vote for UKIP or another acceptable anti-"EU" party. Otherwise I spoil my ballot paper. I will not vote for the BNP.

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  • 142. At 09:33am on 26 Oct 2009, EUprisoner209456731 wrote:

    Is it true that Blair has an estate in Buckinghamshire?

    If so, where?

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  • 143. At 09:37am on 26 Oct 2009, EUprisoner209456731 wrote:

    Are we getting near the time for a pan-European, peaceful, anti-Lisbon march on Brussels?

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  • 144. At 09:49am on 26 Oct 2009, Thomas_B wrote:

    I can´t believe that the UK would not have to offer another and probably even better candidate for EU Presidency than Mr Blair. On Times Online I´ve read in an article, that the backing up of Blair´s candidancy is not without to have an way open for Mr Brown when he will lose the general election in the UK next year to take a job in the EU administration by the help of Mr Blair.

    Such thinking proves once more that the EU is for many member states just something like a "playground" to get rid of worn out politicians from their country and give them posts for the sake of having them away.

    In my opinion, it doesn´t counts whether the UK will have the Euro or not. It counts more on the matter how serious the UK Gov. will take the chances to bring an British candidate to become the first President of the EU. As long as this job has not being set up yet with the task and aims it has included, this theatre brings just more distrust to the public and proves them, that they are right to be more than sceptical towards the EU at all.

    In regard to either the Presidency or the Minister of foreign affairs of the EU, the UK Gov. should also think about how an British candidate will fulfil one of these jobs not only according to the advantages and disadvantages for the UK, but according their duties for the whole of the EU, because this should be the meaning of those jobs, the EU will have to offer.

    I would prefer an strong EU President than just someone for representitatives, because the EU will need such an strong President to tackle the challanges in that global world for Europe.

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  • 145. At 09:54am on 26 Oct 2009, mindxavierbloggz wrote:

    Just a small reminder that all kinds of rotten fish can slip through the net. Remember Kurt Waldheim? Secretary General of the UN and ex Nazi!

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  • 146. At 10:12am on 26 Oct 2009, Wonthillian wrote:

    '143. At 09:37am on 26 Oct 2009, SuffolkBoy2 wrote:
    Are we getting near the time for a pan-European, peaceful, anti-Lisbon march on Brussels?'


    Bit late for that now. People don't get that excited about the extension of Qualified Majority Voting. Even in Ireland, with all the hype over the last few months, 41% of the eligible population didn't bother to vote in the referendum. In the UK, people are more interested in Gordon Brown's favourite biscuit than they are in the LT.

    Time to move on.

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  • 147. At 10:13am on 26 Oct 2009, stevepeers wrote:

    I have a different take on the whole debate. I think the UK government realised a while back that there is probably insufficient support for Blair to get appointed to this post. The only reason they keep banging on about his candidacy nonetheless is to ensure that, as compensation when Blair does not get the post, the next UK Commissioner will get a really good job. This would also help to limit protectionist continental influence on key posts in the Commission concerning the internal market or competition.

    If I am right, this is a clever tactical game by the government that is in the broad national interest, and should be applauded. If I am wrong and Blair somehow sneaks into office, God help us all. There is not enough accountability and democratic legitimacy for the EU to have a strong personality, instead of some bland chair-polisher, in this post - which it was not really necessary to create in the first place.

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  • 148. At 10:35am on 26 Oct 2009, Andy-in-France wrote:

    #147 stevepeers
    "when Blair does not get the post, the next UK Commissioner will get a really good job."

    Ah! Gordon Brown, presumably -following in Tony's footsteps (and unelected) yet again?

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  • 149. At 10:41am on 26 Oct 2009, Mike K wrote:

    NO, Not in my name, he belongs in the Hague, not Brussels.


    LOL, Could you imagine, as EU President what his judgement of Trident would be under the control of the Tories? Weapons of mass destruction pointed at where exactly? Paris, Berlin, Brussels, - a 45 minute warning! Similar to Iraq the US could hunt a weapons system they sold to a leadership they are no longer keen on. Stupid I know but the notion of Blair as EU President is just as stupid.

    Signed all the petition on go 41k against only 168 for an counting!

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  • 150. At 10:58am on 26 Oct 2009, U13235548 wrote:

    I do not want Blair as European president - yes, he is a 'big beast' politically but ask yourself why ?
    Illegal wars and missed opportunities for public sector reform, and he is neither a moral man or a successful one - why would the EU want him?
    Why can't the citizens of the EU have a ...... vote?

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  • 151. At 11:16am on 26 Oct 2009, excellentcatblogger wrote:

    142. At 09:33am on 26 Oct 2009, SuffolkBoy2 wrote:
    Is it true that Blair has an estate in Buckinghamshire?

    If so, where?

    =================================

    It is near Chequers (the PM's country place) which is just outside Aylesbury. Odd though that the toff Blair did not want to go back to live in his homeland of the North East.

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  • 152. At 11:39am on 26 Oct 2009, jr4412 wrote:

    Friendlycard #115.

    "There is also a 10 Downing Street petition to have Blair indicted for War Crimes. I've signed that one as well."

    lucky you, when I tried I got:

    "This petition has been closed to new signatures at the author's request."

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  • 153. At 12:03pm on 26 Oct 2009, neiljamesh wrote:


    #5 - Bring on the Referendum - and put the question Do we want to stay in Europe at All?

    Blair will provide the biggest boost to a 'No' vote there is.

    ------------------------------------------------------------

    I completely and totally agree..!!

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  • 154. At 12:09pm on 26 Oct 2009, The_Oncoming_Storm wrote:

    One of the arguments put forward in favour of President Tony is that Europe needs a heavyweight figure who can play hardball with countries like Russia to stop them turning off Europe's gas supply.

    Well let's consider Blair's record as a negotiator, this is the man who meekly signed away much of Britain's EU rebate for a worthless promise to "review" the CAP which will come to absolutely nothing! He is also the one who slavishly acquiesed to Bush over Iraq when he could have put a much higher price on Britain's support.

    I don't think Putin is likely to be quaking in his boots at this prospect!

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  • 155. At 1:14pm on 26 Oct 2009, StrongholdBarricades wrote:

    Please let him become President

    Then if he is indicted for war crimes he can be dragged off to the Hague for trail, and sequestration of his assets

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  • 156. At 1:26pm on 26 Oct 2009, DisgustedOfMitcham2 wrote:

    Forgive my ignorance, but who gets to decide whether Bliar becomes EU President? I assume that for an organisation that is not really into democracy in a big way, an election in which we ordinary people get a say is out of the question? But that still leave various options. Is it decided by the European Parliament (that would at least have some democratic legitimacy)? Or is it a bunch of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels?

    The idea that Bliar might be EU President horrifies me. I've always been quite a fan of the EU as a concept in the past, but I could rapidly change my mind about that if Bliar really does become president.

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  • 157. At 1:54pm on 26 Oct 2009, EUprisoner209456731 wrote:

    151. At 11:16am on 26 Oct 2009, excellentcatblogger wrote:

    142. At 09:33am on 26 Oct 2009, SuffolkBoy2 wrote:
    Is it true that Blair has an estate in Buckinghamshire?

    If so, where?

    =================================

    It is near Chequers (the PM's country place) which is just outside Aylesbury. Odd though that the toff Blair did not want to go back to live in his homeland of the North East.



    SB2:

    Thank you for that!

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  • 158. At 2:15pm on 26 Oct 2009, Brownloather wrote:

    I confess that I am not sure what Europe needs or whether or not it should even have an unelected President. I am certain however, that Europe does not need a man whose lazy mendacity and bludgeoning greed caused such terrible damage to the UK during his ten years in power.

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  • 159. At 2:37pm on 26 Oct 2009, I am not a number wrote:

    #156. DisgustedOfMitcham2

    It's the head of governments that will decide who's going to be the president of the European Council.

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  • 160. At 3:07pm on 26 Oct 2009, Exiledscot52 wrote:

    Can he afford the salary cut?

    What are morgan stanley paying, is the mid-east peace envoy a mere sinecure?

    For a barrister who got out and turned to politics he appears to have amassed quite a fortune with the help of various deals in Bristol and elsewhere.

    What would he bring to the job? Perhaps he could ruin the EU as he has done Britain. The executive are no longer questioned, the PM behaves like a President, (you tube, announcements) what about parliament, PMQs once a week......

    Yes perhaps Tony Blair in as Prresident of the EU would be good for Britain!!!!!

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  • 161. At 3:41pm on 26 Oct 2009, saltfordman wrote:

    The perfect riposte to Blair becoming President of Europe would be for the UK to hold a referendum on Europe - In or Out. I believe the result would see the UK out of Europe leaving Blair to wreak his havoc without it affecting the UK. We have suffered enough already when he was PM without being subjected to more talk without action and him grandstanding above our lawfully elected government.
    Unfortunately, there is little chance of Brown (or his replacement) or Cameron holding such a referendum. It beats me why these people want to be the UK PM when they seem content to give powers that affect UK citizens away to an undemocratic institution. It seems that once we have been signed up to anything in Europe we are not allowed to change our minds. In the UK, we can change our minds and vote in a different government to remove/change laws that we no longer think appropriate, why can this not be done in Europe?
    If Norway can trade with Europe without being run by Europe then the UK should also be able to do so perfectly well. We still have ties with ex Commonwealth countries and in future trade will be with the likes of China, India, Brazil, Japan etc. Whey do we need Europe to negotiate with those countries.
    As for a common European Defence force, it is likely to mean British troops doing the fighting but controlled by the European Defence Minister not our own UK government.
    The same goes for Foreign policy, it would be set out by the European Foreign Minster and the UK would have little influence, even less than we have now.
    A federal Europe means less influence for the UK in world affairs, more expense since we contribute more financially to Europe than we receive in return and less ability to control our own lives. Just reflect on the original NO votes by France and Holland who were then not allowed to vote again, Ireland voting twice until they voted the right way and no say by the UK people about the largest change in the constitution of Europe since the EEC was born. Of course once it is decided by these dubious means, then no country will ever be able to change it. Nothing can be reversed.

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  • 162. At 3:47pm on 26 Oct 2009, saltfordman wrote:

    I am not a new member, I registered in January 2007.

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  • 163. At 7:58pm on 26 Oct 2009, dipconsult wrote:

    20.45 26 Oct - I just watched an item on BBC World News on the suitability of Mr. Blair as EU (appointed, unelected President). No time was given to mention the views of those like Lord Rees-Mogg and so many distinguished Britons that, no matter how well known he is in the world (which Mr. Miliband seems to think the key qualification for the EU presidency) Mr. Blair has so damaged the UK and Europe he must be stopped.

    Indeed Mr. Miliband's support for Blair as EU president is so evidently wrong-headed as to cast doubts on his qualifications as Foreign Secretary.

    For no European has done more harm to Europe and indeed to his own country's position in the world than Mr. Blair. He divided Europe, gravely weakening its voice - a voice for sanity and peace - by following the hapless G W Bush into Iraq.

    He undermined NATO and Western chances of stabilising Afghanistan creating the two "Vietnams " (Iraq & Afghanistan) we face today. The predictably (we too, predicted it in 2002) disastrous Iraq war cost the West its worldwide support after "9/11", and lost Afghanistan its priority for funds, expertise, and forces in favour of Iraq. That neglect ruined the prospect of a successful, brief occupation.

    Blair is a hypocrite and deceiver: he, more even than Cheney, was responsible for falsifying intelligence and misleading politicians and peoples into the carnage in Iraq. [for full details see our www.dipconsult.eu]

    Yes, "Blood on your hands Blair" must be stopped! (Forgive such strong talk from professionals in diplomacy!)


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  • 164. At 10:36pm on 26 Oct 2009, ikamaskeip wrote:

    Blair does not have anything like an 'estate' near Aylesbury or up north.

    He has a 4 bedroom house with relatively small front garden and an extensive rear garden. Some additional building has been done - - apparently to accommodate 'security' - - other than its rural setting and usual personal refurbishments inside there is nothing special about it.

    No, I can't say how I know.

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  • 165. At 06:04am on 27 Oct 2009, brownjohnny wrote:

    Please next time you mention Tony Blair add "war criminal" and "mass murderer" before his name. I think if we Europeans have Tony Blair as our president, it would be an incredible disappointment to all those of us who want a Europe that is peaceful and respectful of others. Or do we want a European Union that is just another USA? Not me, thanks.

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  • 166. At 06:56am on 27 Oct 2009, Buzet23 wrote:

    #135, kuergun wrote:

    "Who wants a 33 deg free mason who is part of the Illuminati, who is responsible for the deaths of many innocent people, who died in an illegal war in Iraq."

    Not me as I can't stand the clown, but on one point, if my memory serves me correct he would (in theory) not be allowed to stay a mason if he has a criminal conviction so if charged and convicted he should be expelled. However the Socialist leaning 'Grand Orient' that is so strong in Benelux and France seems to give 33 degrees to everyone as I knew some members a few years back, so if Tony is a member of that it means very little as its a typical Socialist talking shop with meaningless debates from what I was told (a bit like the EU eh!).

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  • 167. At 08:44am on 27 Oct 2009, the_Sluiceterer wrote:

    If Europe want a strong leader it certainly isn`t Blair. I voted for him 1996 and was shocked by how he became a poodle of the USA. The fact that he respects Thatcher shows him up as an intellectual lightweight. Visiting the UK recently I was amused to see how latest opinion poll showed that of the 3 parties, most people thought Brown would win Mastermind but Cameron would win big brother. Fact that most said would then vote for Cameron says it all. The Politicians & Media have turned UK into extremeley ignorant,celeb obsessed, nationalistic `society`. Would take 50 years of a Socialist police state to turn thîngs around. That`s not going to happen so lets just sign up as another state of the USA. Yee-Ha.

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  • 168. At 08:53am on 27 Oct 2009, DisgustedOfMitcham2 wrote:

    #163:

    "Indeed Mr. Miliband's support for Blair as EU president is so evidently wrong-headed as to cast doubts on his qualifications as Foreign Secretary."

    What qualifications? I think it would be necessary to have at least some prima facie evidence of qualifications before you could cast doubt on them. Miliband is so ludicrously out of his depth as Foreign Secretary I don't think his latest pathetic toadying tells us anything we didn't already know.

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  • 169. At 11:15am on 27 Oct 2009, Parish Spinster wrote:

    If Blair is appointed to this unelected Presidency, the EU leaders will essentially be putting two fingers up to their electorates. There is no way that he would be elected to the position, if we were asked.
    I can see what he would get from another fancy title on his CV, but I can't see what the EU would gain from having him in the job. Indeed, can they afford him? I assume that he'd have to give up all his commercial activities (eg "Tony Blair Associates")?

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  • 170. At 1:48pm on 27 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    This blog is holding up remarkably well I must say.
    #151 Salfordman
    Why do all of you of the sceptic tendency continually go one about lack of democracy. The democratically elected parliament of the United Kingdom debated and voted and the UK signed up to the Treaty of Lisbon. What is undemocratic about that? You all constantly complain about lack of democracy, Ireland having two referendums so what, the Irish like to vote on legislation by referendum it is not and never has been the practice of the UK to govern by referendum. If you want to see the terrible and logical conclusion of government by referendum go and take a look at California wher a successions of referenda have made it almost impossible to run the state.
    There is, however, one democratic voice you may have at this moment and that is to got to http://stopblair.eu/ and sign onto the petition. That is true for everyone else posting to this blog who does not want the man to be president of the EU. Now is the hour, go and cast your vote, tell your friends, we can stop him.

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  • 171. At 2:46pm on 27 Oct 2009, rg wrote:

    170. T1m0thy

    "...Why do all of you of the sceptic tendency continually go one about lack of democracy. The democratically elected parliament of the United Kingdom debated and voted and the UK signed up to the Treaty of Lisbon..."

    Why? It's very simple. There was a General Election in 2005 wherein the majority of victorious candidates stood on a platform calling for a referendum on the Constitutional Treaty. After this morphed into the Lisbon Treaty the Labour and Liberal Democrat parties changed their policies and voted against a referendum. Thus the UK electorate was denied a vote. This by those the public elected with a referendum mandate.

    Democratically elected yes, true to their word no. A Native American in a movie might have breathed "white man speaks with forked tongue".

    Of course the pro Lisbon side are happy because they got what they want. The anti Lisbon side is unhappy that this was achieved through undemocratic means.

    I can only hope the great British public remembers till 2010 the game the Labour and Liberal Democrat parties played to get themselves elected.

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  • 172. At 2:49pm on 27 Oct 2009, DisgustedOfMitcham2 wrote:

    #169:

    "but I can't see what the EU would gain from having him in the job"

    The EU would gain nothing, and indeed lose plenty in terms of its credibility. However, it's not the EU that gets to decide. It's (assuming that #159's information is correct, which I have no reason to doubt) the 27 EU heads of government who decide. They will have plenty to gain if they vote for someone who is likely to reward them for their loyalty with invitations to posh parties on yachts and the like.

    So I guess there is a real risk that Bliar may actually get the job.

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  • 173. At 3:07pm on 27 Oct 2009, ABDELKADER EL HAMDAOUI wrote:

    "Tony Blair has the drive, vision and pragmatic sense of mission to shock Europe out of its ideological slumber. Can't think of anyone in Europe anywhere near suitable or enthusiastic enough to take on the task with new ideas and not stifling the Union with idealistic hang-ups, except perhaps Barack Obama. People in Britain who are so out of touch with Bruxelles are not qualified, in view of their Anglo-Celtic mindset, to make judgement on the kind of leadership most needed to strengthen Europe and make it a superpower to be reckon with."

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  • 174. At 3:13pm on 27 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    #171 rg
    "I can only hope the great British public remembers till 2010 the game the Labour and Liberal Democrat parties played to get themselves elected."

    I hope equally that they take into account the cynical ploy of the conservatives whereby they promise a referendum knowing that, almost as a certainty, they would not have to hold one.

    I admit I am pro EU there's quite a bit wrong with it but it can be made to work. Government by referendum is crazy why bother to have politicians at all? On second thoughts though!!!

    I hop0e you have signed the stop Blair petition

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  • 175. At 3:31pm on 27 Oct 2009, NIMBLEWORTH wrote:

    If there is a God,then now is the time for him to step forward. "Never in the field of Human existence, was so much ruined and destroyed by one HUMAN BEING in modern times, as that achieved by Tony Blair." If he becomes the new President of Europe, I will join the BNP. He sold the culture and the history of Britain to the highest bidder,and would have sold our Hertage had he the chance.

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  • 176. At 4:05pm on 27 Oct 2009, NIMBLEWORTH wrote:

    If anything better demonstrates the futility of the common man,then this is it. Our voices are lost in the Desert of silence that surrounds our screams of frustration and impotency imposed by Politicians who realise our existence only once every 4- 10 years. If Blair is eventually elected as EU President, then, I will truly know that there is an anti-christ!

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  • 177. At 4:05pm on 27 Oct 2009, rg wrote:

    174. T1m0thy

    "…I hope equally that they take into account the cynical ploy of the conservatives whereby they promise a referendum knowing that, almost as a certainty, they would not have to hold one…"

    Where was this "promise" made? I agree there wouldn't be much point in holding a referendum after Lisbon became law. To do so would undermine UK standing and allow a future Labour Government to renege on any subsequent Treaty a Conservative government were to sign.

    By the way the Conservatives voted for a referendum in parliament. They were outvoted by Labour and the Liberal Democrats. The latter were liberal with selling out the public's trust and undemocratic in action.

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  • 178. At 4:25pm on 27 Oct 2009, acceptablerobertcox wrote:

    WHY BLAIR SHOULD NOT BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE EUROPEAN UNION

    The job of European Union President wants a man or women, with capacity to organise, with firm European credentials, able to create confidence momentum towards lasting results. It wants a consensus-builder who can create confidence with other leaders but knows when and how to hammer heads together at the right moments. It does not want a self-promoting high-flyer.

    From the outset Blair, as British Prime Minister, was a dilettante over Europe. His initial apparent enthusiasm soon waned to indifference as the going got tougher – as it always does when hard choices have to be made in European affairs. He dazzled the European Parliament in the summer of 2005, on the eve of the British presidency, with a speech high on rhetoric and low on content. He drifted into inaction – the Euro, Schengen, the let-outs, especially in the social field. Finally he yielded over the Lisbon Treaty, appearing to accept a referendum when there is no tradition of referenda in British constitutional practice where Parliament is supposedly sovereign. On all these issues he submitted rather than led. Not that this has gained him kudos in eurosceptic Britain.

    He has since shown his dilettante streak over the Middle East. Dramatic and dire things have happened and continue to happen in the Middle East since Blair became Special Representative for the region. But Blair has kept his head well below the parapet. Was media indifference at fault? No, the media would have picked up whatever Blair might have said or done.

    He gave much vent, with the equally disqualified Gerhardt Schröder and others, to the so-called “middle way”. One social democrat regime after another now tumbles before voter hostility about dilution of substance of politics. A fat lot of good that has done to the social democrat ideal.

    He uncritically, together with Gordon Brown, embraced laissez-faire economics, which soon slid into acceptance of the theory that the market always self-corrects and denial of the proper role for public authority. Now look where we are.

    Last but not least he swallowed hook, line and sinker the philosophy of the War Against Terrorism, the enthusiastic lurch into war in Iraq, and all this at the behest of the most reactionary U.S. Administration in recent American history. This man will not put Europe’s interests first against those of Washington.

    He had the opportunity from his position of power and influence to coalesce Europe’s political class around furthering the European Project – especially the Lisbon Agenda, with all its faults – and he failed to do so. Why then should we trust him to have had some European conversion on his political road to Damascus that empowers him to assume the European Presidency? Or does the lassitude of many European heads of state and government make them prefer this as an easy option?

    Worst of all the whole process is being conducted behind the closed doors of traditional European diplomacy. There appears to be no room for any act of democracy in this process. Here, surely, is an opportunity to be seized by the European Parliament both to act and to demonstrate its key role as the manifestation of Europe-wide democracy.

    Robert Cox, Brussels, October 27, 2009.
    [Personal details removed by Moderator]

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  • 179. At 5:40pm on 27 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    #176,177,178
    I repeat my comment go and do something about it then, put your name on the petition at http://stopblair.eu/
    Don't complain and do nothing, do something, if enough of us sign they will take notice.

    #177 rg
    As I understand it the Conservatives have committed to a referendum in the
    UK on the Treaty of Lisbon if all the other 26 members have not ratified the treaty at the time they (the conservatives) take power. I think it's about as cynical as it gets and think that they are probably all on their knees praying now that the Czech supreme court don't provide any late hurdles for ratification.

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  • 180. At 6:38pm on 27 Oct 2009, rg wrote:

    179. T1m0thy

    "…As I understand it the Conservatives have committed to a referendum in the
    UK on the Treaty of Lisbon if all the other 26 members have not ratified the treaty at the time they (the conservatives) take power. I think it's about as cynical as it gets…"

    I disagree. This is in line with their 2005 manifesto. You seem to ignore the fact that they voted for the referendum in parliament whilst Labour & the Liberal Democrats voted against. I don't call cynical what the Left did; an affront to democracy is closer to the mark.

    Of course once Lisbon is law it's a whole new ball game.

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  • 181. At 9:26pm on 27 Oct 2009, WojtekCh wrote:

    I think, the best candidate is present president of EU Parliament ,
    Jerzy Buzek - former Prime Minister of Poland . How do you think ?
    Tony Blair ....no, not yet :)

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  • 182. At 10:27pm on 27 Oct 2009, Stewart Edwards wrote:

    I still think that I would make a very good president, if nothing else a good blogging world hype about the benefits of a man of the people could open minds and lead to a realisation of the simple fact that citizens matter.

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  • 183. At 04:59am on 28 Oct 2009, descurrie wrote:

    No. For the sake of honour and all that is honourable, no.
    Liars have no place in the leadership of the world.
    Deceit has no place over Europe.
    Des Currie

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  • 184. At 08:09am on 28 Oct 2009, U4466131 wrote:

    #180 rg

    You don't think that they could work out that there would be nearly five years before they would be in office and the chances of having to hold a referendum were marginal if not non-existent? They don't want to hold a referendum, no Parliamentarian wants referendums. It was just a cynical ploy to garner UKIP and other anti EU votes.

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  • 185. At 08:22am on 28 Oct 2009, rg wrote:

    184. T1m0thy

    "…You don't think that they could work out that there would be nearly five years before they would be in office and the chances of having to hold a referendum were marginal if not non-existent?.."

    The Conservatives hoped they'd win in 2005. At least they have been true to their word and voted in parliament for the referendum.

    Not so Labour and the Liberal Democrats.

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  • 186. At 08:31am on 28 Oct 2009, paul jordan wrote:

    If Blair gets this(whatever 'this' is supposed to be ?)it will be a case of nero fiddling while rome burns.If you want your President to have a history of lies and deciet this is your man.He even had the skill to foist an un-elected replacement with all the qualities he displayed so well himself,arrogance and ignorance.Using a declaration of war as 'smoke and mirrors' to distract from the total failure of his domestic policies,disgraceful.Do we really want someone in any kind of office with so little respect for human life.The sooner He and his cronies sink without trace the better.

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  • 187. At 10:56am on 28 Oct 2009, Paul Papadopoulos wrote:

    People who hear voices in their heads may have schizophrenia. And those with such grandiose ideas as becoming the President of the EU without any relevant experience may be having a manic episode caused by bipolar disorder.

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  • 188. At 12:01pm on 28 Oct 2009, EuNLSP wrote:

    I don't think anybody in the UK would be surporised of the huge amount of Europeans (including me) who don't want Tony Blair or any other British to become president of the European Council. And to be honest, since Juncker has put his candidancy forward, Brair has less than cero chances. Juncker has my vote (I wish I could vote on this one). He is by far the smartest politician in Europe (including UK).

    Spanish socialist

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  • 189. At 12:21pm on 28 Oct 2009, rg wrote:

    188. EuNLSP

    (I wish I could vote on this one)

    ¡Hola Spanish socialist! I agree we should all have a vote.

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  • 190. At 3:43pm on 28 Oct 2009, Mathiasen wrote:

    #188 EuNLSP
    Thank you for your contribution. Interesting to know what people around in the union think. I have not seen that Juncker has announced his candidacy, but I found this statement in "Financial Times Deutschland" (Germany):

    When we agree on the job, it was the informal understanding that the first EU president should not be a representative from a large country, Premier Jean-Claude Juncker said in the interview.

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  • 191. At 5:01pm on 28 Oct 2009, ishrimaharaj wrote:

    I am from the Commonwealth and cannot see merit in Mr Blair's candidacy in this current search. Mr Blair's credentials were tarnished since his capricious entry into the Iraq war. The justification for which at the time was proven to be baseless and tendentious. Any claims to him being statesman or whatever, in my opinion is falacious and specious.

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  • 192. At 10:25pm on 28 Oct 2009, Floronimus wrote:

    The European Council needs a president; a simple statement that causes a great deal of controversies. There are not many candidates, one in fact: former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, unfortunately a man with several friends and enemies as well.

    It can be argued that Blair made a mistake by forming an alliance with former American President George W. Bush in his war on terror. But does not everyone deserve a new chance? Past performance does not necessarily predict future actions.

    Another, more reasonable argument is the non-adoption of the Euro as currency by Great Britain. Can Europe be represented by a man from a country that does not support the European unity?

    On the other hand, it is self-evident that if the European Council wants to achieve a dominant and important position in the world, they should elect an eloquent and powerful leader. In this point of view, Blair’s appointment as “Special Envoy” of the United Nations, the European Union, the United States and Russia, charged with propagating the “Roadmap for Peace”, is certainly an advantage.

    Hopefully, after the longstanding ratification problem, the European leaders will come soon to a correct decision, wherefore the world can see a coherent Europe with an undisputed president at its head. Overall, Tony Blair might be the person where the European Council is looking for.

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  • 193. At 12:17pm on 29 Oct 2009, meninwhitecoats wrote:

    @121 EH

    ...are you absolutely sure?


    It's like a bad dream - you think no one could possibly consider this man seriously but he is still there with his cheesy grin and bulging pockets.

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  • 194. At 5:53pm on 29 Oct 2009, YetAnotherGeek wrote:

    In case you have all forgotten, TB is currently doing a very important job at the moment bringing peace to the Middle East;-) Surely he should be allowed to finish that off first?

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  • 195. At 7:41pm on 29 Oct 2009, Charleswalther wrote:

    I was incredibly pro EU and Lisbon treaty before I heard that Blair would be a viable option for the EU presidency. I do not wish to be represented by a controversial figure such as Tony Blair, a man that has been in a very powerful position for too long, has too many vested interests and is the cause for much hatred throughout the world.

    And I just don't understand why we can't find some new talent?

    The EU's future President should be a strong and charismatic leader, but it needs one that is a more unifying figure in European politics than Tony Blair.

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  • 196. At 3:09pm on 31 Oct 2009, Felmar Rowell wrote:

    We Asians want to engage with Europe, and for a true Europe to be headed by a true European, Europe must also consider the wider world. For us Asians, Europe must be headed by a President who is not only a true European, but who is also expansive, outwardly looking, and has an international stature. And Tony Blair is the only European right now who fits this good picture. We Asians will not want a too European, inwardly looking, provincial President for Europe like Juncker, it will be too stressful and wary for us. If you ask us, we will be most comfortable with Blair being Europe's first President, who is open and expansive.

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