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No ANC fistifuffs?

Andrew Harding | 12:31 UK time, Wednesday, 22 September 2010

ANC leaders

So much for the fireworks... South Africa's ruling party seems to have managed, more or less, to crack the whip over its feuding factions and prevent this week's African National Congress National General Council meeting in Durban from turning into a public fistfight. Round one to President Jacob Zuma.

Still, the party has acknowledged at least some of the huge challenges it faces - not so much in holding onto power, but in tackling corruption and delivering on its many promises.

Foreign investors may be relieved to note that the explosive issue of whether, and how, to nationalise the country's mines seems to have been kicked into touch.

It's always struck me as odd - well, more than odd - that the ANC's Youth League should be the one leading the charge for nationalisation. Shouldn't it be focusing on the crisis in education, skills shortages and the crippling lack of jobs available for young South African school leavers? This article is one of the best I've seen on the mines issue.

While the delegates are now cloistered in policy huddles, the party is trying harder than usual to keep the media firmly on the outside. The leaks continue, but relations between the ANC and journalists are not good.

Some of the party's scandalously self-serving plans to curtail press freedom may end up getting watered down, but a new media tribunal looks likely to get strong backing in Durban.


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  • 1. At 3:47pm on 22 Sep 2010, Africaisgreat wrote:

    I think African countries including South Africa must make sure their natural resources exploitation is stopped NOW. I would rather the oil, gold, uranium, diamonds, bauxite etc stay underground than be exploited.

    It appears to me and from speaking to Africans that trading with China is a much more profitable and fairer options than with western countries.

    I will urge Africans worldwide to petition or lobby their Governments to go with China and Brasil in terms of trade and development.

    I think for 50 yeras the West has shown no real interest in making African countries develop than to make sure the ruling elite enrich themselves and get African resources cheaply for western development. Enough is Enough and the youth in Africa have seen the hypocracy of the West.

    Soon patriotic Africans will rise up and put an end to this nonsense of African resources exploitaion to feed the greedy west.


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  • 2. At 7:41pm on 22 Sep 2010, JustinCase-ZN wrote:

    I am sure your South African media sources told you there was going to be fisticuffs. They also said the ANC was going to get about 50% in the 2009 Elections and Cope was the best thing to have emerged in South African Politics. They also said The Tripartate Alliance will break up and ........

    Bottom line is the ANC is a diverse organisation with members drawn from every facet of South African life. Debate is robust sometimes too robust. Members are passionate about representing the organisation. Yes, there are some self serving interest and quite a few whose eye is already on the next election but that is to be expected in any party.

    The question is, "why does the Media always expect the worst from the ANC?" It has survived 98years of turmoil and break ups and came out stronger. The negative attitude of the media,especially print, towards the ruling party is so unwarranted and when one reads all the articles written about the ANC, one gets to understand why they would call for a media tribunal.

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  • 3. At 05:41am on 23 Sep 2010, The_Revolutionary_Humanist wrote:

    President Zuma seems to have laid down the tone of the NGC. A good thing to put all those losse cannons back into place, still to be realistic, the closer we get to 2012 the more vibrant factions would become.

    The MAT (Media Appeals Tribunal)and POIB (Protection of Information Bill) as it stands was proposed under Apartheid regimes almost every other decade. Considering the police state authority those NATS enjoyed, they could never pass it through parliament. Again, I say I dont think the MAT and POIB as propesed by the ANC would ever see the light of day. They might debate it, they might put it to vote in parliament (most likely it would be dismissed (there are many ANC MP's who are actually there for democracy's sake and serving the public). In a worse case scenario IF the bills are ratified, then the country's NGO's, Media, Citizens, Opposition Parties etc would contest it in the Constitutional Court, followed by years of litigation by which time the ANC would have changed leadership and ammended its policy that they would actually drop the whole thing, or most likely have it thrown out from court as unconstitutional.

    What is more worrying is the ANC's proposed National Health Insurance scheme (NHI) Universal Health Care is a very good and noble idea, but can we implement on such a drastic and large scale in South Africa. We have failing health services. Under the presidency of Comrade Mbeki and his health minister Manto Tshabala-Msimang for the period 1997-2007 there was no capital investment in health, also during this period in order to maintain service level a proposed 80,000 health workers should have been employed. Today we are facing a disaster! Lets put aside the costs of treatment for approximately 370,000 people who were infected with HIV/AIDS due to that presidency's inability to acknowledge scientific fact that HIV does cause Aids and its unwillingness to distribute ARV's.

    The current health budget is at R101 billion, to implement the NHI in the first year would cost R128 billion this will escalate to R376 billion by 2025. How will this surge in expenditure be funded, probably increased taxes, and VAT. Also where would they resources come from, SA produces around 2000 docters a years. Since 1994 around 90,000 health workers have emigrated to the UK/EU/Canada, at a cost of each in education fees of roughly R800,000.00.

    Another over ambitious goal by the ANC, one already doomed in failure. Sadly, they would realise too late, and again the average person will pay the price...

    It would be prudent to reform the public health service first, stamp our corruption, upgrade infrastructure, train new docters, invite the South African medical diaspora back into the short before a noble programme as the NHI comes into play, get the house in order first!

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  • 4. At 7:06pm on 23 Sep 2010, Afrikaner wrote:

    Why does Mr. Harding struck me a Bitter White in South Africa!!

    Could that be the case with you Sir?

    You always manage to fund or make a negative argument even if then is none!

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  • 5. At 7:12pm on 23 Sep 2010, Afrikaner wrote:

    I know now you will even tell us how you love the ANC and how you dont even have a problem with it now Ruling South Africa with majority vote!!

    Most Whites in South Africa all of a sudden were also very against White Rule.

    The best is how you lot talk about Mandela.

    First the White Afrikaner Led Government called him a ''TERRORIST'' today the same Whites even refer to him as Tata (My Father) ;)


    But Harding you are an exception. I take it you are not bitter like most of the Whites in South Africa about the lose of Priviledges and lost Power!!

    You can delete my comment if you like!!

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  • 6. At 12:21pm on 27 Sep 2010, ProudlySA wrote:

    "that the ANC's Youth League should be the one leading the charge for nationalisation. Shouldn't it be focusing on the crisis in education, skills shortages and the crippling lack of jobs available for young South African school leavers?"

    mr harding how does one deal with the above problems without the finances. nationalisation will bring the much needed money to sort the problems the youth league are supposed to tackle. in other words nationalisation is a solution to the youth will come through,its just a matter of time

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  • 7. At 3:29pm on 28 Sep 2010, crash wrote:

    South Africa is rapidly heading the way of Zimbabwai,it will not be long before the white farms will be seized and handed over to party members,after that we will be shipping in food to feed the masses.Enjoy your freedom till poverty is the rule and electricity becomes a thing of the past.

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  • 8. At 3:37pm on 28 Sep 2010, crash wrote:

    Comment #1
    Take a good look at the standard of living in China,voting rights,civil liberties,you would welcome back apartheid if you had ever lived under Chinese communism.

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  • 9. At 10:28am on 29 Sep 2010, Ancestorreed wrote:

    It's all over the world that the ANC Youth League is a problem, I think that is referring to Julius Malema. Malema is a deep dude. I used to look at him different but lately I see a leader in him. The West will always find fault in someone who speaks up against their interest. Nationalisation of the mines is a brilliant idea. They say SA is heading towards the pit of Zimbabwe; but I say I see nothing wrong with Zimbabwe, WE MUST DESTOY IN ORDER TO REBUILD. Just because Zimbabwe leadership has refused to take instructions from the West,the devil has refused to dine with Zimbabwe, that's why the people of Zim are suffering. But in due time, Zimbabwe will be economically stable and practically independent from Western supervision of domestic activities. They lebel Mugabe an evil person. For what? for saying No!! to western dictatorship? I haile leaders of Iran, Lybia and Zimbabwe. In order for Africa to achieve immense economic growth, we need to learn to be totally independent, I mean economically independent and politically independent. Dining with the West is like dinning with the Devil. We need to learn from Asia. Julius Melama is a brilliant dude, he just needs someone with expirience to advise him on the way he expresses his mind.
    My comment is mixed up. That's my mind.

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  • 10. At 12:01pm on 29 Sep 2010, strangeplum57 wrote:

    What on earth is a fistifuff?

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  • 11. At 05:49am on 01 Oct 2010, The Talented Mr Levy wrote:

    Why are the African blogs followed so immediately by a tirade of partisan, bitter and often deluded commentors. These "yes men" for a whole host of oppressive african governments, riddled with greed and self-interest, decry the West as the "Devil." I have seen at first hand the greed, injustice and corruption of many a ruling party in Africa and to present many of these leaders as great Nationalists is an afront to the very concept. Take "Ancestoreed" - a contributor who sees "nothing wrong with Zimbabwe" - well maybe you sould visit sometime. Leave your keyboard, undoubtedly somewhere in a developed democracy and actually go there. And if you have indeed been there, then try opening your eyes next time. Apologists for dictators like Mugabe shouldn't be allowed to use these sites for propaganda. But I suppose that's the drawback of free speech - not that anybody in Zimbabwe would know the luxury of that basic human right.
    Just for the record "Afrikaner" - nobody on this board strikes me as any more bitter and twisted than you - try removing the plank from your own eye first.

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  • 12. At 08:53am on 01 Oct 2010, U13879777 wrote:

    "...more than odd - that the ANC's Youth League should be the one leading the charge for nationalisation..." - this is just typical of the African mentality: cut off your nose first, worry about the face later. These people are living in dark ages, wallowing in their pools of self pity and angst - wake up, you are being left behind by the rest of the world far too quickly...

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  • 13. At 09:08am on 01 Oct 2010, U13879777 wrote:

    and 'Africaisgreat' you are obviously one of those one eyed bigots from the ANC Youth League.

    "Soon patriotic Africans will rise up and put an end to this nonsense of African resources exploitaion to feed the greedy west." - this without doubt the most hysterical rubbish I have ever read from an African.

    If the lazy Africans would get there fingers out and START DOING SOMETHING with their resources (like mnufacturing higher value products rather than just exporting the minerals - this is what creates wealth and prosperity) - insead, these people would rather adopt negative postures and poses, and create partnerships with China which would make their exploitation worse.

    In 50 years time we'll hear idiots like you and your children moaning that they have been exploited by the Chinese, and that 'patriotic Africa' should stand up against their evil opressors - it a viscious cycle that Africa has got itself stuck in, and it need to be broken - i think the best place to start is with stupid quangoes like the ANC Youth League....

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  • 14. At 2:41pm on 11 Oct 2010, Martyn abrahams wrote:

    It is obvious by AFRICAISGREAt's comments that his understanding of China's policies is sadly lacking.
    This is why:
    1. Most Western countries advocate human rights in countries where dictators repress their peoples forcing the powers that be to change or alter their policies, something China does not care Sudan
    2. China, when mining in foreign country uses ONLY a Chinese workforce- none of the locals get jobs of any substance- hell, even their food is flown in from China. eg. South Africa
    3. They build schools, hospitals and roads BUT do not supply the infrastructure needed to maintain these things- did I mention huge presidential palaces, and what happens to the local population?
    4. China may be the "answer" to most African countries woes as presumed by you but I would like to know whatare the long term benefits for the general populace with regards to creating jobs and preventing rights abuses?

    AFRICAISGREAT rather investigate these things before shooting off your mouth.

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