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The One Show Team | 11:34 UK time, Tuesday, 8 December 2009

Adrian and Christine in the studio with Bette Midler

Adrian and Christine were joined in the studio by Bette Midler.

Following Susan Boyle's success in America, Ruby Wax looked into what it takes to make it in the States.

Model Danielle Lloyd, herself a victim of domestic violence, reported on why some men still think it's acceptable to hit women.

Michael Mosley uncovered the psychological tricks retailers use to get us to spend more money.

In Barwell, Leicestershire, Angellica Bell visited the site of a major meteor impact.

And count down to Christmas with The One Show's Advent calendar!

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  • 1. At 6:48pm on 08 Dec 2009, Pauline wrote:

    Please point out to Lucy Seigle that chickens are not ruminants, they do not have 4 stomachs and therefore do not need to burp to process their food. - Pigs are not ruminants either. Perhaps she can now go back to eating chicken.
    (I hope Lucy doesn't wear wool or leather because these are both products of ruminants. I am not sure how much greenhouse gas, chemicals etc are used to produce artificial fibres.)
    Of course farmers only maintain hedges and walls to keep their stock in so if too many people became veges I am afraid that our wildlife would suffer drastically.
    Animals also provide the best fertilizer. Artificial fertilizer is chemical based. I expect that the manufacturing process produces greenhouse gas too.

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  • 2. At 6:59pm on 08 Dec 2009, Jacko wrote:

    Talking about tonight's programme, nice to see Bette Midler.

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  • 3. At 7:08pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    "find out why any man can hit a women"...

    How about why any person can hit any other person, male, female, same or different sex?!?

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  • 4. At 7:11pm on 08 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    Domestic violence

    There is nothing I loathe more than cowardly men hitting or beating women. Alcohol may be one reason, but not a mitigation.

    However, why do we have the One Show using Danielle Lloyd, an attention seeking soft porn model, elaborating on the subject?

    Many women find the work that people like her do, an encouragement to half-witted misogynist males to further disrespect the female.

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  • 5. At 7:11pm on 08 Dec 2009, Robert wrote:

    Hello why does Bette speak at such a rapid rate trying to put five words in one makes the whole unintelligibly slow done to make your point

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  • 6. At 7:13pm on 08 Dec 2009, djcalzar wrote:

    I really do hope that The One Show are going to show both sides of the Domestic Abuse Issue. Men can equally be susceptible to domestic abuse from women. IT does happen.

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  • 7. At 7:14pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    How about all the men who are beaten by women who are scared and/or embarassed to speak out. I havent yet heard a mention of the other side of this, small in comparison but quickly increasing in frequency.

    Good old BBC with their one sided tales again...

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  • 8. At 7:15pm on 08 Dec 2009, djcalzar wrote:

    Astroplums Danielle Lloyd was the victim of domestic abuse or did you miss that?

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  • 9. At 7:15pm on 08 Dec 2009, Andrew Wright wrote:

    Why is Danielle Lloyd presenting an article on domestic abuse when she's just appeared in a horror/thriller film called "Cut"
    http://www.cut-the-movie.com
    which I guess is a slasher film (or violent, at least). Bit hypocritical?

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  • 10. At 7:16pm on 08 Dec 2009, Darren Wash wrote:

    Its a good job Bette Midler speaks quickly or more people would have heard the b word best chat show moment for years

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  • 11. At 7:17pm on 08 Dec 2009, sxg123 wrote:

    Another unbalanced report from The One Show, this time regarding abuse of women by men. Whilst this is undoubtedly the greater problem, a significant number of men are abused by women but this wasn't even mentioned in passing.

    This follows the laughable report by Lucy Segal last night that has been the subject of so much negative comment in this blog.

    These important subjects cannot possibly have justice done to them in the space of 5 minutes or so.

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  • 12. At 7:17pm on 08 Dec 2009, Karen wrote:

    Men are also victims of domestic violence, my brother died at the hands of a violent women after years of abuse, unfortunately there is less support for men then women.

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  • 13. At 7:17pm on 08 Dec 2009, Danedweller wrote:

    Big Brother racist Danielle Lloyd get's a job presenting (a very boring voice) double standards me thinks as Carol Thatcher was dropped being accused of making a racist remark! Dahhh.

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  • 14. At 7:17pm on 08 Dec 2009, Jacko wrote:

    @7

    I'm guessing that the main reason the item relates to women being beaten by men as oppposed to the other way round, is because men beating women is more common. That's my theory anyway.





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  • 15. At 7:20pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    @13 I see a pattern - swap Carol Thatcher for Danielle Lloyd, swap Arlene Philips for Alesha Dixon...

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  • 16. At 7:20pm on 08 Dec 2009, Bob Champion wrote:

    On 3rd Nov. my wife and I went to see Bette Midler at Caesar's Palace in Vegas. She was stunning. 90 mins of a real star and the living proof that show business still exists. Please thank her.

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  • 17. At 7:22pm on 08 Dec 2009, Victor wrote:

    Appreciated your feature on domestic violence. All viewers can make a difference with a programme end petition to the UN to END IT KNOW - both a petition and practical steps to help end domestic violence around the world. http://www.enditnow.org/

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  • 18. At 7:22pm on 08 Dec 2009, Steve - Iver wrote:

    Your program that included at item on violence toward women has prompted me to write.

    Abuse is a people problem.
    People abuse people, and it is this which should be addressed. There is too much focus on men; on the men being the abuser.

    Abuse comes in many forms, physical, verbal, mental, and it's a people problem, a social problem, not strictly a male / female problem.

    I suffered verbal abuse, recently, on leaving a club late one Saturday night. It was a vile attack from a bunch of young girls, worse the wear from alcohol, and my response was purely verbal. I took my taxi, but the tirade of abuse from these women continued as we drove off. I'd done nothing to them, had never met them, did not know them. They felt it ok to abuse a total stranger.

    Like I say, it's not a male / female problem, and the focus should be moved to more of a social problem. Respect is what is missing.

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  • 19. At 7:23pm on 08 Dec 2009, Cara wrote:

    Bette Milder is a complete IDIOT !!!! She is a chauvanist and sexist, claims that women work harder than men..... where was she when EQUALITY was invented.

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  • 20. At 7:25pm on 08 Dec 2009, Zuluz wrote:

    What a load of rubbish.

    That Domestic violence report missed the point completely.

    It is not about men or women hitting men or women it is about People hitting People! That is not acceptable whatever sex you are!!!!

    Why in this world where everyone is striving for 'equality' is it considered appropriate to make such a one sided report. The only thing they have accomplished is to present a report with no integrity about a serious and difficult subject. Idiots.

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  • 21. At 7:25pm on 08 Dec 2009, SonAvon wrote:

    How disappointing that domestic violence was portrayed as a 'one way' matter ... where was the 'other angle' - plenty on males suffer domestic violence as well. It's almost getting to the stage where it's criminal to be a male these days it seems. Innocent until proven guilty - for ALL sexes.

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  • 22. At 7:27pm on 08 Dec 2009, highland fling wrote:

    Is Danielle Lloyd going to be a permanent presenter?I hope not !Like Bette , a good guest and seems down to earth . Quiet on blogs tonight after the storm last night !Lucy have you left the country?

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  • 23. At 7:29pm on 08 Dec 2009, hilary46 wrote:

    How very disappointing that such a prime time show chose to show that DA is something that happens to women at the hands of men. It was a missed opportunity. My experience is that the woman was the abuser, inflicting violence on her children and her husband. It was only her death that ended the abuse of all concerned.

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  • 24. At 7:29pm on 08 Dec 2009, Jayne Wood wrote:

    I can remember Bette Midler years ago, the first time she was on Michael Parkinson - lying on the floor, in a very tight basque, telling jokes and singing! Very outrageous at the time. Parkie looked horrified. No idea why when one of his mates is Billy Connelly...

    Bring that back - I'd love to see her do stand up!

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  • 25. At 7:31pm on 08 Dec 2009, Danedweller wrote:

    #15. Swop Adrian for a cabbage on the sofa, don't think I would notice the difference.

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  • 26. At 7:34pm on 08 Dec 2009, Rockinn wrote:

    Can't believe you've covered the difficulty of British musicians and singers cracking the American market without acknowledging the success of Jay Sean who had a number one hit over there recently. Anyone got any theories about why Jay Sean's success does not feature but Robbie Williams failure does?

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  • 27. At 7:35pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    @25 - Would that be a younger, prettier but less qualified version too?!? : )

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  • 28. At 7:36pm on 08 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    #8 Mark Parker.

    No I did not miss that - simply pointing out that her trade does not encourage dumb males to extend respect to women.

    Interesting to note how quickly men respond by saying it happens to us as well. It does, but, it does not equate. 16st. men beating the crap out of 9st women, simply because they do not have the mental capacity to deal with women in a verbal manner is not acceptable...it's the cowardice of insecure, inadequate males.

    To suggest that men have no one to turn to because they might be embarrassed - their manhood compromised (oh diddums) - is pitiful.

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  • 29. At 7:43pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    I did not say they have no-one to turn to. But is more difficult when people like you say things like "16st man vs 9st women" How about if that 9st women has a knife and is willing to use it, or at least makes threats on a regular basis and that man who wouldn't dream of defending himself as "men shouldn't hit women" is ashamed to tell anyone because of the way women on man abuse is portrayed in society by people in the same mind as you.

    Its not your size, its your mindset.

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  • 30. At 7:43pm on 08 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    #23 Hilary46

    No doubt there are many violent women, but the stats point to many more assaults and deaths upon women by males than the other way round.

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  • 31. At 7:45pm on 08 Dec 2009, bordeauxmalc wrote:

    John Holyer

    At the risk of being contentious. You have in the past commented frequently on other peoples lack of spelling and grammar. May I point out that the word (from yesterday's blog) is regardless, not irregardless and if you are quick to respond please make sure that you are not TOO (with double O) quick!

    I too like exactitude but let us not be to condescending!

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  • 32. At 7:47pm on 08 Dec 2009, bordeauxmalc wrote:

    And maybe even a space before but and maybe not starting a sentence with a conjunction!

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  • 33. At 7:47pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    @30 - I don't think anyone is trying to say that abuse of men from women is anywhere near as common as the other way round.
    The point is that it DOES happen and should at least have a mention in a story about abuse, even if only 1 sentence out of a 5 min article.
    The gripe is with the BBC for yet again giving a truly one sided and unfair picture of a very serious and complex issue.

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  • 34. At 7:49pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    astroplums..i agree with your blogs.
    the one show has dealt with violence by women against men in the past and it is impossible to deal with all violence and abuse in one show.
    it is not biased not to include violence on men it is a subject for another time.
    it would only be biased if there was a way of showing that violence against women was justified .
    to not cover other forms of abuse is not bias.just not possible in the show format.
    bette midler was superb,it works when the guest is asked proper questions and given time to talk.

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  • 35. At 7:49pm on 08 Dec 2009, rose49 wrote:

    good to see a piece about domestic abuse but you should have shown the Women's Aid phone number not your website address.
    I was a victim of domestic abuse and my husband wouldn't let me have a computer, but I would have been able to memorise a phone number.

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  • 36. At 7:49pm on 08 Dec 2009, Ace 8 wrote:

    I would have challenged Bette for evidence on her comment that women have always worked harder than men. Her historical analysis seemed to have missed out on some pretty important stuff that our male ancestors were responsible for - Art / Religion / Music / Dance / Entertainment - all created by men.

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  • 37. At 7:52pm on 08 Dec 2009, keith haysom wrote:

    Please carry an article about men being abused by women - it is more common than most people think - perhaps because it does not get a lot of publicity - matybe The One Show can fly the flag for abused men!

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  • 38. At 7:52pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    bordeauxmalc .you are welcome ref to the refresh,,glad to help.
    i agree regarding spelling,punctuation etc.
    let us look at the words and what people mean before being really critical about the little things.

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  • 39. At 7:53pm on 08 Dec 2009, mrmoz wrote:

    Oh dear, truly TERRIBLE science in Angellica Bell's piece on the meteor impact. She said something like "could it happen again? some scientists think it MIGHT but it won't happen until at LEAST 2035"

    This is WRONG. It WILL happen and could happen AT ANY TIME, even tomorrow. There is no way you can say when it will happen. I really can't believe anyone on the telly could say such a thing

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  • 40. At 7:53pm on 08 Dec 2009, bordeauxmalc wrote:

    It seems I did put a space before but, but not when it appeared on the blog. Now there is one! Ain't science wonderful

    So it boils down to ' Once I thought I was wrong but I was mistaken'.

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  • 41. At 7:53pm on 08 Dec 2009, Richard Wilkinson wrote:

    I was horrified by the prejudiced, sexist one sided and abusive commentary and reporting in tonights show...
    What about the unreported male victims of domestic abuse? There are no safety net or legal remedies for these victims of the abuses of women. In my & my childrens experience of domestic abuse at the hands of my ex-wife, Merseyside domestic violence units female advisors advice was to " buy your wife a box of chocolates"... after reporting my childrens injuries sefton social services I was advised by a female social worker that "as far as we're concerned all men are potential rapists"...
    You probably have no idea how offensive it is to me to have to listen to some ill considered one sided diatribe about the poor suffering women in society, when I and my children have had to suffer the ongoing and unending abuse of domestic violence from women in society. HOW ABOUT SOME REASDONABLE BALANCED REPORTING OPN THE BBC... Bette Midlers comments merely reflect her complete lack of intellectuial competence & experience in these matters...

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  • 42. At 7:56pm on 08 Dec 2009, bordeauxmalc wrote:

    Ace 8

    So all of these wonderful things were started by men, so is that the reason that religion is such a problem?

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  • 43. At 7:56pm on 08 Dec 2009, Len West wrote:

    Wish I'd recorded tonights episode of 'The Advert Show' If ever I suffered from Insomnia, this episode would have me snoring in seconds...
    2 points - was Adrian there tonight or was it a cardboard cutout swooning over Bette Middler?
    Secondly, Bette midler didn't even bother to produce a new DVD - she was plugging a performance made zeons ago. (thought process) I'm that great / gorgeous those lowlife Brits will buy anything.
    Gosh I'm even dozing off writing this zzzzzzzzzz

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  • 44. At 7:57pm on 08 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    #38 ace8

    You seem to have missed the point that women were stopped from being creative by men - especially so when men went and invented those misogynist handbooks, variously called religions.

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  • 45. At 7:58pm on 08 Dec 2009, Richard Wilkinson wrote:

    Why doesnt the BBC's one show make an even handed, unprejudiced report on why it is considered acceptable by most women to hit men in a domestic environment, rather than reporting an utterly one sided broadcast against men? The fact that there are a host of support groups for women but none for men is an indication of the huge disparity between the services provided to support women and the lack of support available to men & children who are victimised by violent women in the home

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  • 46. At 8:00pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    bordeauxmalc..as a man i cringed when i read the blog by ace 8.
    i distance myself from him 100%
    Len West...i will always agree about the one show being the bbc equiv of qvc.
    but i liked bette...

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  • 47. At 8:00pm on 08 Dec 2009, sxg123 wrote:

    The key point about the domestic abuse debate is that the BBC should ensure balance in its reporting. The One Show keeps falling foul of this.

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  • 48. At 8:01pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    sxg123 .on reflection i cannot help but agree that the one show never shows balance in reports.

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  • 49. At 8:03pm on 08 Dec 2009, Richard Wilkinson wrote:

    the commenst about a 16st male and a 9st female are totally misleading...
    What about a 16st female and a 12st male... what about a 16st female and mother beating up a 4 st boy? where are the support services for that child and his father.... I can assure you they do not exist; because they are run by sexist prejudiced females; my experinec backs this up

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  • 50. At 8:04pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    when the one show(in the past) did a topic on women inflicting violence on men i do not remember women in general saying it lacked balance and moaning.

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  • 51. At 8:07pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    do we agree that more men inflict violence on women than the other way round?for men to be saying so much on this site about a lack of balance does the male gender no good at all.
    i am so sorry for men being so violent against women.
    i am prepared to accept that it is far more common than is generally known.

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  • 52. At 8:09pm on 08 Dec 2009, Richard Wilkinson wrote:

    My & my childrens experience of domestic violence at the hands of my ex-wife shows that there are no effective support services available to both the men and children of female violence. In my direct experience Social Workers do not respond, instead falling back to sexist stereotypes that "all men are rapists" and the WPC's in the police domestic violence unit refer male victims back to their female abusers with suggestions of placation with "a bunch of flowers" or "a box of chocolates"... the real losers in the domestic scene are men, not women

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  • 53. At 8:10pm on 08 Dec 2009, wigglediggle2 wrote:

    Well what an unbalanced item on abuse like many have said women abuse men too but that was not mentioned. I see the bbc also have turn this show into telling us what we all should do like lucy last night ok shes veggie but its a choice not compulsary. I am also thinking of giving up this blog as we all put our points but the bbc choose not to listen. Also why did we have to suffer racist daniel lloyd.

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  • 54. At 8:10pm on 08 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    45 & 45 richard wilkinson

    No one should beat up children, but the "sexist prejudiced females" line running through your post does show a lot of bittereness on your part.

    The One Show has shown the other side to tonights piece and once again I repeat that the majority of violence is inflicted upon women.

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  • 55. At 8:13pm on 08 Dec 2009, Patricia wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 56. At 8:13pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    I speak from experience when I tell you that regarding abuse women, while less likely to offend, when they do are more cruel, more inventive and more likely to maintain abuse over a prolonged period than men will ever be. Women are prone to abuse of children, their own parents, and others under their protection. Yes, there are many men who abuse their wives, my own ex did many years back, so I am in no way wishing to lessen the horror that is domestic abuse, but once again can we have a balanced look at things. I appreciate this is only a short slot in a half hour show, but as I have pointed out previously, if there isn't the time to deal with a subject properly, then leave it alone!

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  • 57. At 8:13pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    Richard Wilkinson . i am sorry that you have had experiences that have made you feel the way you do.
    you sound very bitter towards women and that is a shame.
    it is a fact that lots more men inflict violence against women than women against men.
    can i suggest you do what a lot of victim women have done...start your own support group.
    if it is as needed as you say it will be a very popular group.
    but in this male dominated world if there was a huge imbalance dont you think it would addressed?

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  • 58. At 8:14pm on 08 Dec 2009, Richard Wilkinson wrote:

    Following 12:
    Thanks for pointing out an important and often overlooked issue in the mass media... particularly at the BBC

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  • 59. At 8:14pm on 08 Dec 2009, John Thompson wrote:

    I think there are some harsh truths that need aired about abuse between men and women. The program conveniently completely ignored the fact that women engage in their own share of abusing men. The fact of the matter is that women don't hesitate to be abusive or antisocial towards men, but men have to put up with it. A therapists on the program said that men beat women because they have difficulty with their feelings, but what she did not point out is that in our society men feelings are so marginalised that they are not even allowed to have their own feelings. In fact, women are often so narrowly focused on their own feelings that they don't even bother to try to understand men, instead they use their mythical "women’s intuition" to project their own want and will happy ostracise men without a second thought. Women have the power in our society to turn groups of people against an individual man based upon a whip, or a feeling.
    At the other end of it, although women complain about domestic violence, having pushed aside all the nice, caring men, often women focus their attentions on the stronger, alpha, egotistical men that are more likely to defend them against "perceived" threats, get aggressive when challenged, beat their partners when they do not behave as wanted... So, it is all very well women complaining about being attacked by partners, but women often look for testosterone in their men, but it is the decent guys like me that get the bad reputation because I have to much respect to be aggressive enough to get their attention. There is no shortage of women that are actively scared of guys that try to get to know them. Don't listen to the hype, women are shallow, they will often go for the tough guy or the one that puts on the toughest image rather than wasting an ounce of effort actually getting to know someone before denouncing them.
    Bette Midler summed it up with her insults about how hard working men are. Why do women in our society have such low self esteem that they continually need to attack men at every level and for any reason, and why should men feel good about that. If course, because men are not allowed to have their own feelings.

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  • 60. At 8:15pm on 08 Dec 2009, wigglediggle2 wrote:

    I am all for hard hitting topics but bbc get it right and make them balanced what ever the topic may be. I think the people loose site of balance so do we send you all a set of scales.

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  • 61. At 8:15pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    jadedoldie.... i fear it is the old one again,, a subject they should leave alone in an entertainment slot.

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  • 62. At 8:17pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    post 61 HKA how right you are, this is a complex subject, and not to be tackled by amateurs!!!!

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  • 63. At 8:17pm on 08 Dec 2009, wigglediggle2 wrote:

    hi alex merry xmas and to all who have heard about me

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  • 64. At 8:18pm on 08 Dec 2009, wigglediggle2 wrote:

    And the bbc should not try out danielle lloyd as a presenter not after the way she behaved on big brother.

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  • 65. At 8:18pm on 08 Dec 2009, Kieran Meehan wrote:

    28 astroplums.
    So domestic violence against men does not equate because of weight difference?! Have you never seen a 16 stone woman? I must confess, I used to think men who suffered domestic abuse exaggerated their sense of embarrassment and 'compromised manhood,' until I read your insightful and helpful 'oh diddums.'
    Pitiful, indeed.

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  • 66. At 8:23pm on 08 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    #64 wigglediggle

    Danielle Lloyd

    Whilst I have no time for her, I forgot about the racist thing with her on Big Brother. How come BBC got rid of Carol Thatcher and accept her? No consistency there then.

    Perhps Melanie Grant will explain the reasonings of the ONe Show's producer.,

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  • 67. At 8:25pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    wigglediggle2 ..and a merry one to you,,all the best.
    when a full documentary deals with such subjects you expect an experienced person to fully research the subject and report.
    on the one show you get a topless model and 3 minutes...and i do not blame her for not doing it justice.

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  • 68. At 8:28pm on 08 Dec 2009, wigglediggle2 wrote:

    Well I think if you fit the bbc requirement ie young blonde with a nice smile then you can get away with anything. I hate any sort of violence to men or women. But the bbc are a rule to themselves similar with the racist comments published due to anton du beck he didnt get sacked did he. So theres no consistancy I know what she did happened a long time ago but she ended up having a very nasty soul. She may look nice on the outside but inside she was just a nasty bully. I am sorry she got a violent partner but she showed a nasty side and she shouldnt have been paid for this item. Or even been on this show.

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  • 69. At 8:29pm on 08 Dec 2009, wigglediggle2 wrote:

    67 I agree alex im glad ur okay mate but its really got my back up her doing this item I have an asian gf and seeing her brought back how upset it got my gf when she saw how she acted on big brother.

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  • 70. At 8:30pm on 08 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    #65 MeehaKJ

    Yes, I have seen 16st women, but most will be no match for a 16st man.

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  • 71. At 8:31pm on 08 Dec 2009, Jayne Wood wrote:

    I believe that it must be quite difficult to report such a serious matter as domestic violence in what amounts to mere minutes of footage. Yes, there are stories from both sides, and I'm sure that a documentary is a better place for the scope of the issues of abuse, both verbal and physical, however, a prime time show, giving time to what is a serious issue out to the nation, should get praise not brickbats. Attention to the matter, information to those who may be concerned about their own situation, may inform few people, even those who are not involved,but would like to help a friend.
    I'm not sure using Danielle as the reporter though... remember Shilpa?

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  • 72. At 8:31pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    wigglediggle2.i hate racism .full stop.

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  • 73. At 8:31pm on 08 Dec 2009, bordeauxmalc wrote:

    hka 61 and 67

    I think I have to disagree with about serious topics on the One Show. I think that there should be serious topics BUT presented by someone with some experience of presenting. Obviously I didn't see the programme but from the comments this evening (afternoon) perhaps she was the wrong choice.

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  • 74. At 8:33pm on 08 Dec 2009, wigglediggle2 wrote:

    Yes it really upset her but useing her on this show has really mad me mad she went on after the show how her life was ruined but she had a choice and my view once a racist always a racist.

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  • 75. At 8:34pm on 08 Dec 2009, sky_viewer wrote:

    Good show tonight.

    Re 9: this post is so ridiculous that it does not even deserve further comment.

    I see the usual many 'this is one-sided' posts re domestic violence. As post 34 points out, the reverse situation has been covered before and tonight's piece does not mean that violence inflicted on men by women does not exist.

    Thought Bette Midler was a good guest and someone who could talk; and her delivery of the 'b' word word was hilarious.

    Didn't need Michael's piece though to tell us that people are very easily led.

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  • 76. At 8:35pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    bordeauxmalc...point taken and respected.
    it is difficult...the one show HAS covered violence by women on men it was the time for the other side.
    i just think it is 7pm,,a light entertainment slot and a magazine show that is supposed to have topics of interest on regional differences.
    i will watch panorama for weighty issues.
    you are right the reporter was the wrong choice.

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  • 77. At 8:37pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    wigglediggle2.you either are or are not racist.no middle ground and no cure.

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  • 78. At 8:38pm on 08 Dec 2009, wigglediggle2 wrote:

    true well iv said my piece im going for tonight take care all and by the reaction tonight show has left a nasty taste in the mouth but not for the item itself the one presenting it. Also I agree alex something like this needs an hour of discussion.

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  • 79. At 8:39pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    wigglediggle2.goodnight my good friend.

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  • 80. At 8:39pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    Actually I thought Bette Midlers language gaffe was hilarious, but why did AC need to draw attention to it? Merely to forgive her it seems, how magnanimous of him, twit!

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  • 81. At 8:40pm on 08 Dec 2009, wigglediggle2 wrote:

    night alex and all take care mate

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  • 82. At 8:41pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    @77 i see your point but there are certainly people who are more racist than others!?

    That is a rather simple statement. Its not that black and white (no pun intended).

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  • 83. At 8:41pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    jadedoldie..i thought it strange,,,you either say sorry or not mention it.

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  • 84. At 8:41pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    Goodnight wigglediggle, stick to your principles!

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  • 85. At 8:42pm on 08 Dec 2009, wigglediggle2 wrote:

    night jade thanks im gone

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  • 86. At 8:43pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    benpaulbaker, you can no more be a bit prejudiced than you can be a bit pregnant or a bit dead!

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  • 87. At 8:43pm on 08 Dec 2009, bordeauxmalc wrote:

    But (there I go again) isn't domestic violence against women AND men a topic of interest. Jayne Wood and rose49 did make valid points about informing victims on an evening show.

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  • 88. At 8:43pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    benpaulbaker.if you are a little bit racist you are still racist.
    i didnt know it had a sliding scale to judge it by.
    it is a simple statement,i stand by it.
    what is just a little racist/is it ok to be a little racist?

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  • 89. At 8:45pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    bordeauxmalc...it isnt regional and it isnt light entertainment.

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  • 90. At 8:46pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    jadedoldie ..86...superb

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  • 91. At 8:46pm on 08 Dec 2009, oneeyedjack wrote:


    Loved Bette Midler. Christines dress and Adrians trousers were the donkeys.

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  • 92. At 8:47pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    @86 - so you group the person who would rather their child marry someone of the same race/religion in the same camp as someone who burns houses and goes around beating people up just becase of the colour of their skin?

    All racism is wrong but like any opinion, there are varying degrees of extremeism.

    I suppose you could argue that you either are or aren't racist and it is merely the lenghts you are willing to go to to actively uphold you views that set the above 2 examples apart...

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  • 93. At 8:51pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    benpaulbaker.didnt mention religion and will not do,,a different subject.
    yes if you would rather your child married someone of the same colour is racist and tells me the mind set of that person.
    if i slap a women once a day or 50 times a day i am still a women beater.

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  • 94. At 8:51pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    Post92, you have obviously never experienced how racism escalates, take for instance the father who killed his daughter rather than have her marry a man of a different race. He probably started life "just a bit prejudiced"!

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  • 95. At 8:52pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    jadedoldie...94,,,you are on form.

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  • 96. At 8:52pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    I should also point out that to dominate your child so that they only mayrry a man acceptable in your eyes, is in itself cruelty.

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  • 97. At 8:54pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    HKA, there are NO DEGREES of cruelty or racism, go on slap Saint Tanya, and she will probably strangle you with one of her big socks. I have to lighten the mood as I am getting wound up on last night's post, must pop back!

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  • 98. At 8:55pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    benpaulbaker.where does racism start?
    can you imagine a boy in class that doesnt want to sit next to a child of a different colour.
    would you excuse it on a degree count?

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  • 99. At 8:57pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    jadedoldie...have moved on from last night,,,as far as the one show is concerned it didnt happen

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  • 100. At 8:58pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    I'm not saying that one is acceptable over the other, infact if you read my post, I say both are wrong.
    The comment of "once a racist, always a racist" and "there is no cure" is rubbish.

    Sorry to bring up education again but...
    Children are not born racist, infact the opposite. They only become racist by what they learn and observe from people around them (usualy parents) and what they hear.
    The cure is to teach and show the child (or adult for that matter) that the prejudices that they have are not found in any truth or fact.
    We once thought the Earth was the centre of the Universe, we learnt different. To say there is no cure is condemning society to perpetual racism!

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  • 101. At 9:00pm on 08 Dec 2009, Alastair McKenzie wrote:

    I did not like the bias towards male domestic abusers shown in the One Show tonight. It made out as if women are the only ones who are abused, or at least the only ones worrying about.

    The question 'is hitting a woman wrong?' is ridiculous.

    How about 'is hitting a child wrong?'
    How about 'is hitting a parent wrong?'
    How about 'is hitting ANYONE wrong?'
    How about 'what about hitting a woman in self defence?'

    The One Show has subscribed to the hideous stereotype that all women are victims in some way and that men are the evil perpetrators of it all. And people wonder how/why organizations like 'Fathers for Justice' exist.

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  • 102. At 9:00pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    benpaulbaker. you may be a reformed killer,,but you are always a kller.
    you may think they are a reformed racist but.....

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  • 103. At 9:02pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    There are so many people on this blog lately who will or can not blog without incorporating unkindness into their comments I think I shall move on to a better place. I have always lived by the old saw, I may not agree with what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it. Just lately however we are cursed with ungracious people who cannot embrace this principle!

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  • 104. At 9:02pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    benpaulbaker.education,education,education.
    you may be able to change thibgs for a future generation but to change people is very hard.
    i wish you luck.
    i take your point on the cure thing.

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  • 105. At 9:02pm on 08 Dec 2009, oneeyedjack wrote:

    HKA

    Whilst I aagree with most of your postings, I'm not sure that your comment on someone wanting their offspring to marry into the same race as being racist by default.

    Having, as a white man, spent a lot of time in the Asian sub-continent, I can assure you that most parents,not all, want their children to marry their'own kind'. Are they inherently racist?

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  • 106. At 9:03pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    @102 -

    So there is no such thing as rehabilitation/re-education?

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  • 107. At 9:04pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    jadedoldie ,there are a lot of angry people.

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  • 108. At 9:04pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    Not really benpaulbaker!

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  • 109. At 9:06pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    @104 - I did apologise first!!!

    And when I say "education" i mean from all angles not just at school.
    Infact this sort of thing is better taught through example at home.

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  • 110. At 9:06pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    Post 105, so you don't see that as racist? I bet if that occurred in this country as a class thing all hell would be let loose!

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  • 111. At 9:06pm on 08 Dec 2009, oneeyedjack wrote:

    105

    HKA

    I didn't express myself correctly in 105 - I meant are those 'Asian parents inherently racist'.....

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  • 112. At 9:06pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    oneeyedjack.can you think of another way to describe somebody who is white not wanting his son to marry an black girl....my god the colour of her skin,,,his own kind.
    bones and skin.
    would you want your child to marry someone of a different colour?

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  • 113. At 9:07pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    My Asian friends are more racist than anyone I have ever met!

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  • 114. At 9:08pm on 08 Dec 2009, oneeyedjack wrote:

    110

    Are you then saying that most Asian parents are racist?

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  • 115. At 9:08pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    benpaulbaker...no ,,i take your point and due to your experience respect it.

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  • 116. At 9:10pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    @113 - I once dated an indian (sikh) girl. My parents were happy for me but she daren't tell hers that i even existed.
    Although my dad was gutted when he found out she could'nt cook...
    I call that presumptious, not racist by the way...

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  • 117. At 9:10pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    If they have a problem with their child marrying a person of different colour or creed of course they are!

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  • 118. At 9:12pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    oneeyedjack, please don't tell me that you think racism is the prerogative of the whites.

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  • 119. At 9:13pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    oneeyedjack.yes anyone who want their child to marry one of their kind is racist.

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  • 120. At 9:13pm on 08 Dec 2009, oneeyedjack wrote:

    112 HKA

    Many parents would worry, The skin colour is not in my opinion the problem. The problem for many people is that the skin colour depicts, for them, a cultural divide and cultural differences and if not meeting somewhere in the middle, can cause huge problems.

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  • 121. At 9:16pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    My asian mate married an Irishman, twenty years on her parents still won't acknowledge the marriage, what a waste of their lives.

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  • 122. At 9:16pm on 08 Dec 2009, Mike garfield wrote:

    Adrian drooled over Bette Midler and let her off for swearing and yet other guests who have said things off air in the green room for example have been sacked.One rule for some etc

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  • 123. At 9:17pm on 08 Dec 2009, oneeyedjack wrote:

    118 jadedoldie

    I never suggested that racism was the perogative of anyone. Merely pointing out that if wanting your child to marry into the same skin colour is deemed racist, then huge swathes of the world are deeply racist.

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  • 124. At 9:19pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    if you are(anyone) so insular that you do not want your relative to marry someone of the same type(colour etc)then yes in my opinion i cannot think of a better way to describe them than racist.
    whatever their colour.

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  • 125. At 9:20pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    Not wanting to stir the pot too much but...

    People who want their children to marry into the same race/colour/creed may not be intentionally racist but merely wanting their perception of the best for their children.
    Now that is by no means saying that the best people are of their own race but parents are all too aware of the trouble some mixed race/religion relationships can cause within society and the wider families. Wanting a happy and trouble free future for your offspring is totally understandable if not somewhat misguided in terms of racism.

    I for one am all for mixed race relationships - having been in one myself (all beit a short one).
    It will be through these sometimes difficult first generations that it becomes globally acceptable.

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  • 126. At 9:20pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    123, oneeyedjack, as they are dear, as they sadly are.

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  • 127. At 9:20pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    oneeyedjack .......yes they are.

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  • 128. At 9:22pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    benpaulbaker.they may not think they are racist but they are.
    ignorance is no excuse.
    intent?
    in 2009 do you think people would not know it is wrong?

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  • 129. At 9:23pm on 08 Dec 2009, highland fling wrote:

    Bordeauxmalc loving your posts! and agree there should be serious discussions on One Show if presented well . it gets people talking, and wonderful to hear everyones view points .

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  • 130. At 9:23pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    Mixed race relationships in this day and age need be no more difficult than relationships between different class or caste systems, unless the people concerned wish to make them so.

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  • 131. At 9:25pm on 08 Dec 2009, highland fling wrote:

    That should be Bordeauxmalc loving your posts !!getting late !

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  • 132. At 9:26pm on 08 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    I am now taking to alcohol, as we are drifting into waters we may never navigate without dissent. Goodnight to you all, whatever your beliefs, colour or opinions.

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  • 133. At 9:26pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    highland fling.depends what you want the one show to be.
    i just want it to be what it has a mandate to be.
    if it showed an execution it would cause debate but should it be on at 7pm in an entertainment slot?
    is such a topic an entertainment?
    that is it's slot and mandate.

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  • 134. At 9:27pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    jadedoldie...goodnight to you.

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  • 135. At 9:28pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    Mike garfield . i agree ,,sack bette midler.

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  • 136. At 9:31pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    @128 - In an ideal world yes.

    If you had a daughter that was dating a man of a race/religion that meant that they would be disowned by the mans family if the relationship continued and there was a chance of physical violence as a push to break up the relationship. Now you can be 100% happy with her boyfriend and have no problem with him but would you still rather she date him knowing the potentil baggage that this fine person brings?

    Is that person racist or just looking out for their childs safety?

    A far fetched example but it happens. I am merely trying to get across the point that its lovely to have this "yes/no" perfect world but in reality we are unfortunately far from this Utopia.

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  • 137. At 9:35pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    benpaulbaker.lots of maybe,what if's can be introduced.
    it was a simple point...would you want your son or daughter to marry one of their own kind.
    it is a different point not to wanr someone to marry because of baggage and threats etc.they can happen in "same kind" marriages.

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  • 138. At 9:40pm on 08 Dec 2009, oneeyedjack wrote:

    136 benpaulbaker - an ideal world is a long way off.

    137 hka - mercifully we have stayed of the topic of mixed religious marriages

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  • 139. At 9:40pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    @137 - yes they can and I can unreservedly say that I would be more than happy for any child of mine to marry any colour or creed (or sex for that matter) as long as I was sure in the knowledge that their partners family were also of the same mindset that I am.

    ...and on that bombshell, goodnight. (Sorry, Topgear is a guilty pleasure)

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  • 140. At 9:41pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    thanks all for an interesting blog tonight.

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  • 141. At 9:42pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    benpaulbaker, oneeyedjack.what i like about people like you is we disagree and stay friendly.
    i respect your viewpoints...goodnight to you both.

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  • 142. At 9:43pm on 08 Dec 2009, oneeyedjack wrote:

    138
    That should have been ..."stayed off mixed religious"....

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  • 143. At 9:44pm on 08 Dec 2009, benpaulbaker wrote:

    ...but before i go...

    137 hka - mercifully we have stayed of the topic of mixed religious marriages.

    Surely depending on the races in question the 2 are somewhat entwined?

    I'll leave on this...

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  • 144. At 9:45pm on 08 Dec 2009, oneeyedjack wrote:

    142

    I still got it wrong - it's late what the hell.

    Bon nuit

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  • 145. At 10:27pm on 08 Dec 2009, highland fling wrote:

    Hokey post 133 Yes its a light magazine type show .however its when subjects such as racisim , immigrants , climate change etc gives people a chance to air there views ?If its a comic etc you will find less interest as plugging there book whatever .And as we said if its done properly it could work .Of course its not Panorama, and it wont please everyone, but the debate on blogs is peoples way of expressing how they feel regarding the subject, and it is interesting seeing how others feel ?as we saw last night strong views indeed ! night all !Jade the nightcap calling!

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  • 146. At 10:28pm on 08 Dec 2009, highland fling wrote:

    Sorry about spaces its late !

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  • 147. At 10:30pm on 08 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    highland fling.GOODNIGHT MY FRIEND,,,DO NOT AGREE BUT WE STILL GET ON.

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  • 148. At 11:23pm on 08 Dec 2009, Stuart_B wrote:

    Someone mentioned about Bette Midler saying a certain word .What is it about Adrian Chiles ..He's a proper sweetie wife .Every time someone says or does anything ever so slightly contentious he almost wets his pants ..like tonight ..Bette Midler said what I think was the word Bolloks at 7 minutes in .It was 20 minutes in when he apologised ..I doubt many folk would have noticed ...in fact I had to watch iPlayer to check what she did say . Are the BBC so fearful of the complainers that they can't just let these things go

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  • 149. At 00:04am on 09 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    Post 148 Stuart__B, I just love to see AC squirm when something happens which makes his PC self uncomfortable. If you just accept he's an obsequious little squirt, you will be much happier watching him! Fortunately this just accentuates the fact that CB is much easier to live with, lol.

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  • 150. At 01:28am on 09 Dec 2009, bordeauxmalc wrote:

    Just back in from a Christmas Party., so obviously too late to join in this evenings debate although it's only 8.30 p.m. here.

    Thanks for your comment highlandfling and I hope everyone is having/will have had a very good night!

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  • 151. At 2:02pm on 09 Dec 2009, gerald distill wrote:

    Well last night listining to music makes you buy what you may really want SO does that mean if i listen to Brahms and Liszt i'll go out and get pi***d
    also please tell those preachers on your show of healthy eating is all about being a vegitarian!! not everyone can eat veg/salads/pulses (a few days of eating that muck will proberbly have me up the hospital), just preach eating less is more healthy
    great show Bett is my greatest alround singer/actress/comedian etc etc etc
    Gerald Distill

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  • 152. At 2:41pm on 09 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    One of the fascinating things about these blogs is how so few of the 'new' bloggers actually read the previous posts.

    Monday nights response to Lucy's meat free campaign was a real pointer to people who just wanted to vent their spleens without looking at what had gone before. Just about every farmer and his wife were desperate to tell the world about ruminants, grass and cowpats without bothering to find out that it had already been said before.

    The near 400 or so blogs that appeared would have been condensed down to about 40 blogs.

    Just pointing this out in the interest of a flowing debate on a One Show subject, which Mondays was not. Busy as that blog was, looking back through the posts it was really quite turgid. I probably got caught up in that

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  • 153. At 2:45pm on 09 Dec 2009, Kieran Meehan wrote:

    70. Astroplums

    Not from Glasgow, are you?

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  • 154. At 2:47pm on 09 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    152

    Apologies re grammar and punctuation in 152...it was sent in error.

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  • 155. At 3:03pm on 09 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    153 meehaKJ

    No, and your response is idiotic

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  • 156. At 3:07pm on 09 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    Post 152, astroplums do you really think that once an idea or belief has been put forward, no-one else should be allowed to express their feelings on the subject in question?

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  • 157. At 3:07pm on 09 Dec 2009, amysmith wrote:

    I would like to point out that nothing seems to be said about the number of men beaten and abused by women. 1 in 4 women are abused and 1 in 5 men are abused but nothing is made of this fact. I am a women and I am fed up with all these programes that only deal with abuse towards women. Abused women have plenty of places to turn to but men have none, and that is a fact. Men don't want to tell what is happening to them, they feel ashamed, belittled, afraid. Scared to tell friends incase they are laughed at. Men stand abuse for years, they even deny that it is happening when people ask about the bruises, claw marks etc, they make up excuses. I always whatch The One Show and only once have Iseen anything to do with abuse towards men. There is only one place in the country that men can go to and this place is kept secret!! The BBC has a duty to make public just how many men are being abused. I personally know of more than the one in five. One is a family member and he stuck it for 10 years! another one is a young 21 year old. One is turned 80 years old and he put up with it until his abusive wife died.The police are not really interested if it is a man who makes the complaint, so just who do men turn too. Contact the government and they just send leaflets out that only mention women, how unfair is that. Some devious women are going onto abused women sites and getting information from there to use against innocent men who have had the guts to leave them, they turn around the beatings that they have dished out and try to say that it has been done to them, this is just another way of controlling the man. Physical and mental cruelty should not happen to anyone, not man , woman or child. Please let us stand up for the men that are going through this and let them know that they are not alone.

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  • 158. At 3:10pm on 09 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    astroplums....i agree with you it is so obvious that they do not follow the thread of the "conversation" that is happening.
    maybe it is wrong of me but i read all post's,that is why i get so annoyed as first timers have to wait so long to be moderated.
    i go back after they have been cleared and like to think i make my comments with all the listings in mind.
    we(?) all have strong opinions and some things were missed in the strong feelings the writers had.
    it seem's you are either in the believe in climate change camp or on the other side.
    it really did come over that the climate change team are fixed in their views to the point of being very rude.
    they do not seem to even accept that people are still waiting to be convinced.
    a blogger said i seemed to be waiting for the bbc to tell me what i think when anyone who had read through my blogs would know i am against the beeb spoon feeding us their lofty campaigns.
    where i do not agree with you is that i was glad to be caught up in it...it made a change from the usual"adrian is rubbish" and christine has a nice dress blogs,our voices semed soft at times compared to some...i enjoyed that.

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  • 159. At 3:12pm on 09 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    156 Jaded

    Not at all...I was merely alluding to the fact that the same thing had been repeated so many times.

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  • 160. At 3:18pm on 09 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    #158

    Cheers HKA

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  • 161. At 4:08pm on 09 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    59, astroplums, sadly repetition is a fact of life, everyone who takes the time to blog cares in one way or another about the subject under discussion, and I am sure you would really be the last person to deny them their sxpennorth of time, you are always fair, and that didn't sound much like you!

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  • 162. At 4:09pm on 09 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    And don't ask me why I typed in 59 at post161, because I'm blowed if I know!

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  • 163. At 4:10pm on 09 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    161 Jaded

    It was never intended to be unfair...obviously expressed myself very badly.

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  • 164. At 4:13pm on 09 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    astroplums, I think the problem is that the written word lacks the facial expression and the intonation we are able to give in a face to face discussion, and it is easy to take the wrong meaning!

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  • 165. At 4:15pm on 09 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    For instance I am still unsure whether you really do want to cull the Cornish and the Welsh, I am not sleeping well since your post you know, stress is a terrible thing, lol.

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  • 166. At 4:29pm on 09 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    #165 jaded

    The piece about culling the Cornish and then marching bravely onwards to Wales was clearly accurate in every respect. I can only hope that no traffic jams occur on the M5 on Friday as they may inhibit the progress required, otherwise any surprise tactics will surely fail.

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  • 167. At 4:29pm on 09 Dec 2009, pat ball wrote:

    I have stopped watching the One Show - the presenters are so feeble and lack professionalism always giggling at something quite stupid, they seem more interested in getting THEIR faces on the screen, I have been told I missed Bette Midler which is such a shame as she is one of my favourite people. Why do we need these two presenters anyway? the concept is good, just bad presenters - sorry to offend any body

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  • 168. At 4:37pm on 09 Dec 2009, astroplums wrote:

    #167 pat ball

    We don't need Jeremy Paxman types at 7 o'clock in the evening.

    Lighten up!

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  • 169. At 4:57pm on 09 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    astroplums. i am not great fan's of the presenters but as i keep saying it is an entertainment slot and should be light and friendly.
    adrian and christine inspite of any faults are that.

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  • 170. At 5:54pm on 09 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    astroplums, I shall spend tomorrow sharpening the spikes around the perimeter, and whipping the dogs to a white heat of frenzy! We shall not be overcome by your underhand and sneaky surprise attack! The Welsh will have to look after themselves, perhaps HKA can alert any surviving relatives he has in that area.

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  • 171. At 6:06pm on 09 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    jadedoldie..when i left all relatives sold their houses and changed their names incase i tried to come back....

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  • 172. At 6:19pm on 09 Dec 2009, jadedoldie wrote:

    HKA, I bet you used to tell them jokes!

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  • 173. At 6:25pm on 09 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    amysmith ..157.
    can i respectfully ask have read all of the listings on this blog ?
    in a past show the one show covered the subject of women beating men.
    they cannot cover everything in one slot.
    and as i have said it shouldnt be on an entertainment magazine show anyway.

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  • 174. At 6:26pm on 09 Dec 2009, hokeykokeyalex wrote:

    , jadedoldie ..oh,,so cruel. true though....

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  • 175. At 2:24pm on 20 Dec 2009, Kieran Meehan wrote:

    155 Astroplums wrote
    "...and your response is idiotic"

    A bit rich, from the towering intellect who writes, 'oh diddums.'

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