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Steve Wilson | 10:48 UK time, Tuesday, 21 August 2012

Fly on the wall documentaries often make great viewing, but they seldom reflect well on whatever or whoever the fly is watching.

Back in the late 1960s, The Beatles invited the cameras in to watch them rehearse and record an album. The album 'Let It Be' turned out to be pretty good - but the film captured the bitter, bickering disintegration of the band before our eyes.

Years later the Football Association decided it might be a good idea to allow the cameras to record the behind-the-scenes story of England's march to the 1994 World Cup finals under the management of Graham Taylor. There was just one problem - England did not qualify.

The subsequent film almost ended Taylor's managerial career; it probably did finish that of his assistant Phil Neal, and it included the pitiful sight of Paul Gascoigne blaming a "crap ball" for a sorry performance against San Marino.

I'm old enough to have been a part of the press pack which followed England on that ill-fated World Cup qualifying campaign, and it was clear to all of us that the constant presence of the camera crew was an irritation to the players and management once things started going wrong.

The TV viewers loved it; a chance to gatecrash on a car crash.

Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers (left).

TV cameras are capturing Rodgers's early months in charge of Liverpool. Photo: Getty Images

Fast forward again and last season we had 'QPR: The Four Year Plan', a film which left you wondering if the people who had bought the famous London club had a clue, let alone a plan.

At West Bromwich Albion on Saturday, Liverpool's players were under similar scrutiny. American TV network Fox Sports has had its cameras following Liverpool's every step since the back end of last season.

On Saturday they had a camera in the dressing room before the game, at half-time and after the match.

The documentary will be shown as a six-part series on both sides of the Atlantic, with screening scheduled to start in the US on 16 September. Details have yet to be confirmed, but it is understood that it will be shown in the UK at a similar time on Channel 5.

Presumably the rationale behind the documentary was to heighten awareness of the brand in their owners' home market; to make Stevie G and Co stars Stateside.

'This will be an amazing opportunity for our fans to see a new side of the club," said chairman Tom Werner.

Nice idea .....on paper.

First the cameras captured Liverpool capitulating in the race to qualify for the Champions League, then Liverpool losing the FA Cup Final. They then saw Liverpool sacking Kenny Dalglish and appointing Brendan Rogers before the side were thumped in their opening game of the new campaign.

The cameras pack and wrap after the match against Manchester City next weekend - perhaps it's just as well.

This from a club which, in its glory days, used to pride itself on doing business behind closed doors, and a club which, in recent years, has been fierce in protecting its players from media requests for access and interviews.

No doubt when the film is finished it will make fascinating viewing for us; I am much less certain that it will make comfortable viewing for John Henry and Werner - and it's hard to imagine anyone sanctioning Series Two.

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  • Comment number 1.

    I didn't know this was happening at the club, but I'm embarrassed. I think FSG get a hard time of it and are actually doing a good job stabilising the club and investing/reinvesting as they learn about running a football club. However, we don't need this however interesting it may be to the viewers.

  • Comment number 2.

    I like the idea of such a documentary, but as the article says, in reality it delivers something different more often than not and once it's out, that's it and there's no way to control any potential fallout.

  • Comment number 3.

    It really surprises me that Liverpool let this happen. Brendan Rodgers will be quite clearly managing the decline of Liverpool FC for the near future, and who the hell wants stuff like that plastered all over the TV networks?

  • Comment number 4.

    If its Fox it could end up a puff-piece. If its warts and all I'll be getting the beers in.

  • Comment number 5.

    I understand that this is pretty much the Premier League version of HBO's Hard Knocks, which follows an NFL team in training camp ahead of the new season. That programme's great, but as each season goes on, less teams want to take part in it, as it exposes them in sometimes negative light and can affect their season. Take the Miami Dolphins, who are on the show this season, and the pre-season problems they've had with Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, all chronicled on the show.

  • Comment number 6.

    I hope that they continue filming throughout the season based on the effect it is having on LFC at the moment!
    Seriously though, I do not see the benefit of this for the club. Even in the best-run institutions, things go wrong and they tend to be highlighted in TV documentaries. Six episodes of everything going well is of no interest to anybody.

  • Comment number 7.

    embarrassing!

  • Comment number 8.

    at least the cameras are being stopped after next weekends match, maybe this explains some of the dismal performances we saw last season

  • Comment number 9.

    Would be more interesting if they did it about a top 6 club :)

  • Comment number 10.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 11.

    hahahahahahaha

    This could be the best documentary ever, a slow death played out to the UK and US.

    I hope this isn't intended to get more US fans?? They'll all be wearing WBA shirts next season.

  • Comment number 12.

    To be honest I don't think Liverpool are that interesting any more. Man U and Fergie would be interesting, the decline of Arsenal or the bizzare sacking policy at Chelsea (Ancelotti and Wilkins both madness). But Liverpool are currently stable as a Europa Cup side. Hard to see them improving in the near future. I guess the final days of King Kenny may make good viewing, as long as you are not a Liverpool fan.

  • Comment number 13.

    I quite like the idea, although i think the fact it's been created for a US audience is probably the wrong driving force. These kind of films could be used for positive, by showing the over-payed, over-hyped and often villified footballers in their day to day lives rather the fleeting 90mins every weekend. I'd quite like to see the dynamic at clubs up and down the country, it would give me a clearer perspective on what certain players are actually like without the media hype surrounding them.

    Unfortunately this film is ill judged for two reasons, first and foremost i don't think the recent changes will portray the club in the best of light and secondly...this is for a US audience, how are they going to understand Steve Gerrard and Jamie Carragher, let alone Kenny Dalglish!

  • Comment number 14.

    Can't wait for this - Graham "do I not like that" Taylor was TV Gold, this could be even better.

  • Comment number 15.

    Does this mean that TV's bottomless chum bucket has now claimed Liverpool as well as Vanessa Redgrave?

  • Comment number 16.

    We are a joke now, and have been since Moores ruined us by selling our soul to the two cowboys... The new cowboys aren't as bad financially but on footballing knowledge they are way way off... I can offer free help John W Henry... Sack Rodgers now before there is no return and hire Rafa Benitez or Luis Van Gaal as manager.

  • Comment number 17.

    Steve - why did you focus on all the negatives, is Liverpool bashing a new olympic sport or something?

    For example - did the cameras follow Liverpool when they won the League Cup last season eh?

  • Comment number 18.

    IMO it could go either way. It will depend on the style of filming and of course how it is edited. I would have a guess it will be packaged for the US market, looking at the new waves of advertising and market that has been introduced by FSG. It doesn't really matter how successful Liverpool are right now as im sure they will milk the history and prestige of the club..the trophy room is very impressive. Plus LFC has an aura about it, the tradition echoed around the club will make for the best viewing for LFC fans and football fans alike. Also it will give us a chance to see that footballs are real people, maybe it will give some a chance to see the real Suarez for example?

  • Comment number 19.

    A documentary about LFC being shown on joke Channels like channel 5 and Fox network......match made in heaven.

  • Comment number 20.

    This looks like the season's must-watch comedy smash for Liverpool's rivals. I can hardly wait.

    If it is a "Fox puff piece" Fox will have to really, really blow. Not that they need any practice.

  • Comment number 21.

    17., dogeared wrote:

    Steve - why did you focus on all the negatives, is Liverpool bashing a new olympic sport or something?
    ==============
    Suck it in pal.....The constant jibes aimed at LFC and it's fans is from older supporters from other clubs that remember Liverpool in their hay day when they actually won things, and with that success came Liverpool fans goading Arsenal, Man utd, Chelsea fans etc.......now the boots on the other foot and LFC are rubbish and go on about their past glorys opposing fans are quick to remind them they havn't won any real trophies for a long time, it happens to all the big clubs that had a period of domination and im sure in future when Man utd or Chelsea are no longer at the top their fans will harp on about the glory years of the ninetys and noughties only to told to stop going on about the past......and you never know it could even be LFC fans doing the winding up as their sitting at the top of the league.......stranger things have happened.

  • Comment number 22.

    @21

    lmao - I take little notice of the trolling from other fans, which is of generally poor standard and have really articulate arguments such as 'Liverpool are rubbish'.

    There have been 3 articles from the BBC in as many days bashing Liverpool however, this being the latest.

  • Comment number 23.

    21.
    At 17:11 21st Aug 2012, funkymc1 wrote:

    and you never know it could even be LFC fans doing the winding up as their sitting at the top of the league.......stranger things have happened.


    Yeah, remember that horse becoming pope?

  • Comment number 24.

    I really love how all the Liverpool hating trolls have been coming out this and last season. Can't wait for the day it all starts to click and we give someone a right hammering. City at the weekend would be nice (can't see it yet though.) They will vanish back into their caves like the morning mist. Oh and actually the horse became a roman senator not the pope!

  • Comment number 25.

    I'm not sure the US will understand Jamie Carragher or Stevie G...

  • Comment number 26.

    @25

    They will be using subtitles for sure :o)

  • Comment number 27.

    9. At 14:41 21st Aug 2012, swindonbluearmy wrote:
    Would be more interesting if they did it about a top 6 club :)


    From a Swindon fan. Pot. Kettle. Black.

  • Comment number 28.

    Will make for interesting watching, I'd watch a documentary on any premier league club, as it's intriguing and eye opening to see what goes on behind closed doors. A bit worried about my club not coming out of this in the best light, but still very curious. I think most 'real' football fans of other clubs will be the same. The trolls on here will be too busy watching TOWIE...

  • Comment number 29.

    I am looking forward to this actually. I love watching football docs. One of my favourites was the Barcelona one when Laporta had just become president.

    As for Liverpool this season I reckon they will do very well. Couple more signings and they will be a threat to the top four/five.

  • Comment number 30.

    As a documentary filmmaker myself and a liverpool fan i feel this is a really bad idea for publicity. What makes good documentary is the hidden truth behind the facade, its about unveiling the truth. Also Documentarys always need conflict to maintain the audiences attention. They'll be looking for rifts. And if it is a puff piece then it will be boring and no one will watch it anyway. I look forward to the results...

  • Comment number 31.

    As a Liverpool fan I see nothing wrong with being more open in the form of a documentary. I don't see how either John Henry or Tom Werner could be embarrased or uncomfortable by this. They sanctioned it, and I trust in them to use it and learn from it. I suppose if this had been made after a successful spell, you Steve would have been saying LFC only want to show the good bits! Perhaps you could learn something from this, and use it when writing future (more balanced) articles in your blogs. So don't forget to tune in Steve.

  • Comment number 32.

    some times too much information is just that and many of these documenteries realy should be killed off but every now and again a good one will come out and justify itself.

  • Comment number 33.

    I've actually worked on this 'series' and it's little more than a fluffy piece produced by Americans who know little or nothing about what they still call soccer. Access is heavily restricted and unlike what Steve thinks he knows we were not allowed into the dressing rooms after Saturdays shambles. It's more pieces with the odd player and features about the security guys there, the cleaners and the kit guys! Hardly top stuff! However as a fan of the club for over 20 years I'm ashamed our business is being played out for the cameras like some sort of poor mans documentary.

  • Comment number 34.

    @33

    Yet, the flip side of the coin will be how can LFC keep in touch with the top teams and maintain their profile without dwelling on the past too much?

    A little lateral thinking may be needed.

  • Comment number 35.

    May give us a look at the reasons behind sacking King Kenny and how internal politics of a football club work. May be quite interesting.

    If its on Channel 5 will it be on a thursday night?

  • Comment number 36.

    Dogeared (#17)

    If you read the article, Steve says they have followed them since the back-end of the season. The Carling Cup win was before the documentary team arrived.
    While I agree there may be positives that could be focused on (summer signings would be better), the point of the article is that these types of documentaries always seem to cause problems for the teams rather than actually help them
    Do you think that the documentary was a good idea? - as a Manchester United fan I can say that I wouldn't want a documentary crew getting in the way because a media outlet will always want to focus on the negatives as it makes a better story
    It also can cause harm as the players/coaches etc may act differently in front of the cameras just because they are there (eg players may need a right kick up the bum at half time, but coach/senior player does't feel comfortable dong in front of cameras - result team doesn't improve and loses the game)

  • Comment number 37.

    'Gatecrash a car crash' is a great phrase, and sums up the ghoulish tastes these kind of programmes feed off. The idea of letting cameras loose on your team, even when they're winning big, seems pretty silly.

    I suspect the LPC credibility as a 'big club' will take a big hit after the show airs. Given the refusal by the press and a good number of the supportes to accept Liverpool's current status, maybe that would be a good thing.

  • Comment number 38.

    'The four year plan at QPR' definitely not one of footballs finest moments but being a Brentford guy they kind of deserved it.

    As for Liverpool it's a sad day when a club does this, afterall there is a world of difference between LFC and QPR.

  • Comment number 39.

    How could a documentary that nobody has seen be any more embarrassing than the results being achieved on the pitch being watched live around the world? The cameras are there every week to see the boys perform or not perform on the pitch. That is all the matters. The rest is just noise.

  • Comment number 40.

    What we should understand is Fenway's principal aim is to increase LFC's brand awareness, and thus the value of their product.
    Anyone who believes they are with us to put half a billion into players - as Man City have - is misguided - they are here to sweat the asset.
    The film is useful if it exposes some of the criminal mismanagement - Carroll 35m etc etc etc at all levels, that has gone on at my club for a number of years.
    Never, since 1963, have I witnessed so many ordinary players in the shirt.
    It is no secret why we have declined - we have bought the ordinary and the mediocre for maximum money, and if the film highlights that, it is worth it.

  • Comment number 41.

    Even in the 60s, 70s and 80s, Liverpool FC were always being mocked by the national press - even when Liverpool were on top of the footballing world.

    Liverpool have been winning trophies non-stop for 60 years now and during that time, we've seen a host of clubs trying to stop the silverware and vying for our decline.

    The reality is however, that all these also rans keep coming and going, having a few years in the limelight without winning anything and then slip back into medicrity.

    So this is nothing new to me. Liverpool will always be competitive and rival teams will just have to accept that.

  • Comment number 42.

    I'm not sure why they brought Fox in ...and are letting them wrap so early. Why not film it in house? LFC have a TV team. Film the ups and the downs just like on the promotional videos. Then take it to the Networks after. You show your self in the ascendency not the mire.

  • Comment number 43.

    If LFC beat Man City at the weekend, then the programme makers will have the perfect narrative for the series. Losing cup > disappointing league finish > sacking manager > appointing new manager > a difficult start to the new campaign > beating the reigning champions.

    That would provide LFC with a very good piece of propaganda (for those that watch the whole series rather than switch off after one or two shows).

    If LFC draw with Man City, they could probably also juuuust about spin out a positive story in line with the above narrative, and insist they are on the right path. There will be lots of scenes with players with smiles on their faces after the MCFC game, insisting that things are clicking into place.

    Should they lose, then it's hard to get anything positive out of the series. LFC will just look like they are stuck in a pattern of losing. In that case, if I was FSG I'd insist the cameramen stuck around until they COULD end on a positive note, cos it won't be pretty otherwise.....

  • Comment number 44.

    This would make it interesting viewing. Have FSG perhaps slipped on a banana skin with this as however they try and gloss it, it will be a documentary laced with disappointment and bitterness.

  • Comment number 45.

    17.At 16:46 21st Aug 2012, dogeared wrote:
    Steve - why did you focus on all the negatives, is Liverpool bashing a new olympic sport or something?

    For example - did the cameras follow Liverpool when they won the League Cup last season eh?
    _________________________

    They probably did, but it would confuse the American fans if they told them they won a "cup" but finished 8th in the league.

  • Comment number 46.

    Let's hope this is as funny as the one that Manchester City did with the BBC in the early eighties. It included the appointment of John Bond as the new manager and who introduced himself to the players with the immortal words: "You can call me boss".
    A bit of modesty never hurts anyone!

  • Comment number 47.

    eduard @44

    it will be a documentary laced with disappointment and bitterness.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Aghhh! That's so below the belt even I felt it.

    Maybe when they advertise the program, the trailer may have 'it'll make you laugh, it''ll make you cry...... it's Liverpool FC'

    'This will be an amazing opportunity for our fans to see a new side of the club," said chairman Tom Werner.

    I doubt, this being made for existing fans of the club, more likely the aim would be to attract further interest in the club. If thats is the case, coupled wth what Tom Werner has apparently said, I presume LFC have control on the content. If that is the case, then it is going to be of little value to any follower of football.

    If LFC do not have control, then it is risky but not only for the image of LFC. It could be harmful for the image of the EPL, in the states

    Overall, I do not like these 'fly on the wall shows' I rarely find them a fair reflection of the subject matter.

  • Comment number 48.

    Martin Bell @46

    It included the appointment of John Bond as the new manager and who introduced himself to the players with the immortal words: "You can call me boss".
    A bit of modesty never hurts anyone!
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    There have been many accounts of Alan Ball's style of management. My fav is Ball meeting his players for the first time and introducing himself 'I'm Alan Ball, World Cup Winner'

    I always thought of Bally as the, the master of relegation. Any club appointing him as manager, was in for a bad time.

  • Comment number 49.

    Oh wow, could there have been a worse idea? LFC going all TOWIE on us - little man complex or what?!

    Still, I shan't take much schaden freude from this whole sorry episode - I'd be mortified if the Glazers commissioned something similar, thankfully Fergie has some backbone.

    What a farce...on and off the pitch.

  • Comment number 50.

    @36

    I can't believe the League Cup win won't get a mention.

    I agree with your points however that the mere presence of the camera crew could be a hinderance and no doubt being observed in such a manner would certainly influence both player and manager behaviour.

  • Comment number 51.

    A Liverpool Documentary.... I think it would be a fantastic history lesson but nothing more.

  • Comment number 52.

    I can totally see why this is happening - to some it's the old "any publicity is good publicity" idea. As mentioned elsewhere in the comments, this is like the HBO series "Hard Knocks", which is a fun show to watch, mostly because I like to root for the underdogs who are trying to make the team.

    This will be interesting, and while it may be a distraction it's also pretty short-lived. I think LFC was a good choice as they obviously are a club in turmoil and transition.

    The one issue I might have with Hard Knocks is that it presents things primarily from the club's point of view, which allows them to appear sympathetic in situations like contract negotiations. However, it's still fascinating viewing if you have any interest in what goes on behind the scenes.

    So, probably good viewing. Good for the club? Who knows, but they'll get over it, I'm sure.

  • Comment number 53.

    I remember Premier Passions when they followed Sunderland the year we got relegated with peter reid...probs the funniest football doucmentary ever!!!!

  • Comment number 54.

    @51 Who do you think will present/narrate - Simon Schama? :)

    Just struggling to see what will happen next, 2012 has been the PR-disaster from hell for L'pool - I'm *almost* beginning to feel sorry for them. Not beyond the realms that the documentary may finish with them securing bottom place in the league this weekend...

  • Comment number 55.

    My club (Peterborough) have been the subject of two documentaries - "There's only one Barry Fry" and "Big Ron - Manager". Both made the club look ridiculously amateurish, and got us very negative publicity. Fans have an expectation that a professional club is run like a succesful professional business, and are surprised when the result is something different. It makes for great viewing, but it is a bit like when you look behind the curtain in "The Wizard of Oz". Nothing is as you would expect, and it leaves you somewhat disappointed.

  • Comment number 56.

    Genuinely there must be hundreds of overpaid sports journalists at the BBC sitting around doing very little apart from producing very poor negative articles about Liverpool FC every week. There are hundreds of clubs round the world that have stories yet every week we get the sae old rubbish. "Will Rodgers turn around Liverpool's fortunes?" or "Liverpool lose one game crisis on the horizon" or "Liverpool player has average game - crisis on the horizon". Basically whoever writes this rubbish should have their wages docked and be sacked. If you can't think of a decent story then you should change profession not just recycle the same rubbish. There are millions of people unemployed in this country perhaps a change of career in order for you Mr Steve Wilson.

    And even worse than that it gets the tiny minded portion of the population going - step forward Eduard Streltsov - a poor excuse for a United fan - you should always look after your own team you looked awful against Everton even Liverpool beat them a few times last season I would be worried. If only the BBC journalists had an ounce of talenet they probably want to write something on the demise of United. Then Eduard Streltsov can change to being a City fan (if he hasn't already...)

  • Comment number 57.

    @56

    Seriously IanRon - we should all just stick to our own teams and not comment on anyone else? What a dull world that would be.

    You're pretty typical of too many Liverpool fans - you can give it out but can't take it. You should be pleased that the BBC are still even bothering with you, at least you've not faded that far yet. Suffice to say, you are in an bad state compared to your previously very high standards and unfortunately that means people may just comment on it from time to time, so you may just have to deal with it.

    As for Everton-United as you raised it, I personally thought United looked OK if a few games short of the new players bedding in properly (and Nani came off about 72 minutes too late!) - it will come and we'll be there or thereabouts. But credit where it's due, Everton were superb, outplayed us and deserved more than a 1-0 win if I'm honest. You'll do well to get near them this year.

  • Comment number 58.

    @ 57

    yes we are probably due a bit of criticism as we have been pretty "mixed" over the last 2-3 seasons. My problem with other fans taking a pop is they usually have a pretty thin knowledge base and love to jump on a bandwagon. Being a season ticket holder I go to most games and I would honestly say had we kept Torres or had someone up front who scored 15 goals or more goal contribution from the rest of the Midfield we would probably have been there or thereabouts for 4th. We actually had the lion's share of possession for most games last season and I would guess created as many chances from open play as the top 2/3 teams but just were unable to convert. That is my view about a team that I watch often. I am happy to have a discussion about it if someone has some idea of what they are talking about.

    What is irritating is people who jump on headlines as they are incapable of original thought, just to stir up a reaction. You are entitled to your opinion of Everton-United as I'm sure you watched the game. I did not, so I'm not going to be able to pass a judgment about X player being rubbish or not being good enough.

    And even worse are the journalists on here that trawl up the same old rubbish every other day to make sure they justify their pay.

    We aren't bitter/blind to the fact that we weren't particularly good at the tail end of last season but to just hear a load of old tripe every day gets very boring. When Arsenal start getting the hacks on their backs and when United start declining I won't bother jumping on the bandwagon - I will be looking out for my own team

  • Comment number 59.

    Steve, you are so predictable and boring. Same old drivel churned up time after time. Change your career to something you're good at.

    Oh, you forgot to mention the games inbetween the defeats. League cup wins, Europa qualifier win, US pre-season tour.

    As I said, go and find something you're good at cos journalism aint it.

  • Comment number 60.

    @ 59

    Spot on. There are millions of people looking for jobs in this country. Any one of them could do a better job than this. This article is drab and predictable rubbish.

  • Comment number 61.

    Really? As if we haven't had enough bad press they want us to air everything in public? I cant see this just being about money "for the club"! Has this kind of thing worked for anyone? Ever? Football is not an american sport and i don't think it should be treated as such. I may be stuck in the past here but i think things are better kept behind closed doors. This will poke holes in places we don't need them, if a club is trying to get back on its feet and push forwards i can only see this dragging us back. it's wrong, pointless and idiotic. YNWA

  • Comment number 62.

    Would be more interesting with the "fly on the wall" spying on the financial side of the club - pre and post current owners/employees!

  • Comment number 63.

    I once watched a documentary called "Blue Revolution." It was about Mourinho taking charge at Chelsea. Think that turned out pretty well.

  • Comment number 64.

    @ ianronduke.

    What you're basically saying is....if you don't support Liverpool don't comment on them?

    By that rationale, if you're not a journalist yourself, don't talk about anyone doing a bad job, surely, unless you also want to be hypocritical.

    Also, aren't you just trying to stir up reaction by suggesting "There are millions of people looking for jobs in this country. Any one of them could do a better job than this." Supply documented evidence of this or hush

  • Comment number 65.

    @ 64

    No i am saying if you have very limited knowledge of a topic then wading into it trying to have an argument is like a toddler . Which seems to be what you have done here as you haven't read what I've written. So perhaps you should hush and have another read?

    I trained as a journalist, didn't enjoy the people when i started my career in it. Personally I found them too narrow minded, but horses for courses eh?

  • Comment number 66.

    *like a toddler having a discussion with an adult

  • Comment number 67.

    @59/60..

    as an original red (forest) i just wanted to chip in with the Liverpool hating. Cant stand them. No reason really but thats just football. its imbeciles like you who just cant accept any form of criticism towards your club. Maybe the rest of us dont mind reading about the demise of LFC? you are not a majority here.
    There is just no point in complaining about shoddy journalism just because you dont agree with the content. Its not a great article, but its not a bad one either.

    and as a non-season ticket holder for LFC i can just google the stats from last year to make my opinion hold a little weight, for example with a 50% win rate (the worst season for LFC since stats were so accurate) and standing 8th in the possession league and 8th in the pass completion league i think its fair to say, that last year, you were crap.

  • Comment number 68.

    Pretty much agree with post #1 verbatim, along with several others. This is an embarrassing and very naff American idea. The less Americans get involved with football the better.

  • Comment number 69.

    As some people say on here, it could actually be quite an interesting documentary. I doubt the filmmakers would be allowed full editorial control of it, as that would not be in Liverpool's interests. It will show them in a generally good light, but i suppose some of the results will be difficult to cover up.

    Personally i hope this is just the prelude to a new series of "Big Ron Manager" where everyones favourite orange coloured pundit visits a club in crisis (l'pool) and sorts them out. It worked wonders at Peterborough Utd!! :D

  • Comment number 70.

    @67

    I can accept criticism from a valid source. I have already stated we have been pretty mixed over the last 3 seasons - and have given reasons for them. It's lovely to see you have taken the time to get some data from google I suppose you can look at the actual final table and see we were 8th - therefore 8th best team in the league. I totally take on board the stats you have given, I did think they were a little higher, but these are proven statistics. As a counter argument, we had the fewest shots against on target (132) last season so we obviously defended well, we had 309 corners (most in the league) so we had decent territory stats i would guess (i can't find a territory stat) and we hit the woodwork 33 times, and it looks like we had 4th highest amount of chances created in the league. So if we had converted our chances better (again a point I made earlier - though I'm sure you read it, you don't seem like a man who would do something in a hurry) we should have finished a lot higher. That I think would be a valid and sensible conclusion from someone who watched a load of matches and has had a look through Google?

    What I'm not a great fan of is a random hatred (says a lot about that person in my opinion) and piling in with a load of vitriol against other clubs when there is a bit of a bandwagon. It just seems very small minded and petty. But perhaps thats the age we live in?

    And as regards this article - it's just boring - there have been so many "give Liverpool a kick" articles over the last 6 months. Some of them justified, most of them fairly well written. This is just boring now, couldn't we have had something about how well West Brom played? Or how you can stop Everton if you can stop Fellaini getting the ball? Or how Man City conceded 2 against a newly promoted team highlighting areas of weakness at the back? These are supposed to be some of the best journalists in the country, I think between this post and post 67 we have probably produced something more balanced and interesting. We have to cough up a lot of TV licence for this.

  • Comment number 71.

    and we hit the woodwork 33 times

    --------

    Sorry, but I never understood what this means. Man Utd had over 100 shots within a foot wide of either post....Chelsea had 46 shots that hit the side netting. Hitting the post 33 times means exactly the same thing as all of those stats........nothing.

    To go back on topic though, i dont think this article is about Liverpool bashing, is it?! I know my Scouse cousins are sensitive, but this is a little bit too much. It is just highlighting a documentary. Sometimes these things are good for the people involved (the only way i can explain the success of TOWIE and derivative shows) and sometimes they are not (Graham Taylor's "do i not like orange" moment). Why not reserve judgement until you have seen it, and keep an open mind??

    Personally, i would be really interested if they were filming during the Evra-Suaraz affair - that could make for some juicy revelations one way or the other....

  • Comment number 72.

    I'm sure Fox will be edit the piece, show it to FSG before publishing and then the reaction will be taken into account within the documentary. Unlike this piece which purports to be an unbiased look at sport documentaries as a whole. Then proceeds in the last few paragraphs to lambast LFC. I'm no LFC fan by the way, however did anyone in the BBC's editorial positions think this was a balanced piece in any way shape or form.

  • Comment number 73.

    Isn't such a thing a bit of vanity in the first place?

    And, maybe if journalists told a story properly in the first place, warts n all, then would such a fly on the wall be necessary? Too many journalists are riding the gravy train and are too close to those they are reporting on, thus bringing into question their integrity.

  • Comment number 74.

    @56

    Totally agree - seems to be open season on Liverpool at the BBC.

    What's going on there eh? Are they all closet gooners needing an outlet for their frustration?

  • Comment number 75.

    Just seems another step in the decline of this once proud club.

    Right idea maybe but at the wrong time, it will only serve to highlight how Liverpool are currently not a top six side.

  • Comment number 76.

    @75

    Really? How? Or is this just another clumsy troll?

  • Comment number 77.

    I'm looking forward to see this documentary. The club is on a decline. At least people are trying to raise its profile . Hopefully there will be a good reaction and put the club back on track. Although they have a lot of work to do.

  • Comment number 78.

    This could be just what the club needs.

    Why not show everyone exactly what has been going wrong, what is being done to change it and the way we want to go forward?

    We could just come across as a decent club again. After all the trials and tribulations of the last 4 seasons why not try and be completely honest about everything?

  • Comment number 79.

    i dont know why and what happen ?? i just hope liverpool can solve the problem soon ... Thanks for your information
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  • Comment number 80.

    I'd like to see a scene from the documentary in Liverpool's dressing room where all the players are sitting down while Andy Carroll is in the middle of the room tap-dancing to "Singing In The Rain" just to show everyone that he does have good feet for a big man. In the corner Jordan henderson and Stewart Downing are at an impasse at playing Noughts and Crosses because Downing is on 'X's...
    Meanwhile Luis Suarez is looking around suspiciously for the Machester United clad pixies that he believes have stolen his dictionary and casts a sideways glance at Setvie G who's busy beating his iPod to a pulp because it's not playing the song he wants. Cue to the office where Kenny Dalglish is sitting there misty-eyed with re-runs of heady May days in London in the 80's going through his head where he'd give ball to that Aussie scamp who'd lay it on a plate for Rushie to put in the onion sack and they'd all retreat back to YNWAmelot and have a feast. He also thinks he can hear "Those Were The Days" from somewhere but is distracted by a picture of Graeme Souness on the desk which he notices has a beard and two horns crudely drawn in black marker which he thinks is in bad taste but he has to get up and wash his hands. Just then a farmer enters the room offering two magic beans for the dancing donkey which is worth weighing up as it's not every day you come across magic beans and they may be worth something....

    Would make great viewing methinks!

    ;-D

  • Comment number 81.

    This side show is really not what Liverpool need. I also remember the Man City 'documentary' and it was painful even if you were not a City fan. Liverpool need to draw a line in the sand between past and present. In some ways the great Champions League win was actually a disaster as it allowed the decline to proceed to the noise of champagne corks popping. In reality this season has already shown a degree of stupidity. I think they should take the Europa Cup much more seriously and not leave half the regulars behind. LFC are bleeding European ranking points and early departures from Europe will mean that if in 2-4 years they get 4th spot in the EPL and qualify for the CL group stage they will find what City found. Being ranked in the 3rd/4th tier means a potentially very hard group (Barca, AC Milan, Valencia, Liverpool= back into the Europa Cup). There is no way Liverpool will get into the top four this year. The defense needs more speed and when exposed to the likes of Hazard I can see them finishing with nine men. I can't see why they paid 35M for AC, he seems like a slightly improved Crouch (12-15M). Time to take a leaf from part of the Arsenal book. Sign and develop good young talent but keep it and not be a feeder club. Liverpool have been trying quick fixes based upon the idea that they are '2/3 players away from competing for the title'. Chelsea are still 2/3 players from that. For Liverpool its going to be a long hard road with no certainty at the end (Leeds have history too).

  • Comment number 82.

    It's all in the editing. Despite the somewhat embarrassing loss it may still turn out to be a good, and interesting, documentary that can attract fans etc. I think FSG is right about this.

  • Comment number 83.

    As a Chelsea fan I know that we have had our run ins with LFC but I would always want Liverpool to do well (not as well as or versus Chelsea) as I do have a lot of respect for the club. What I think is a real danger is if Liverpool fans go down the 'if only' road. Getting together a load of stats and saying if we had converted this or that is the road to ruin. If Man U, Chelsea, Spurs or Arsenal had converted all the near misses last year then any one of them would have won the league. Once you start feeling that there are forces out to get you and generally sorry for yourself then the rot sets in. Teams finish where they should, maybe plus or minus a place. So last season best case for LFC would have been 6th, worst 10th. Liverpool need to get good young players who they develop, can learn from the few left who know what winning a big trophy needs. If the team cannot bed its future assets with the existing experience (and there's not much left) then they will be in real trouble and have to start from scratch.

  • Comment number 84.

    @83 erumaegil

    I would agree. The league position at the end of a season is a true reflection of how a team has performed during the year. In the latter part of last season I think Liverpool largely gave up in the league to focus on the FA Cup. In a similar way Chelsea concentrated on the FA Cup and Champions League at the expense of league form. Even if both teams had given the league their full attention they may still have finished in the same positions but they would probably have been nearer the team above them.

  • Comment number 85.

    47.At 10:21 22nd Aug 2012, Londoner in exile returns wrote:
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    Hahahaha. I think it'd be disappointing in two ways.

    As you (and many others) have already alluded, very few of these "on hte wall" documentaries end up portraying a positive picture of the club, no matter their intentions. It may show the fresh faced US fans what an amateur club it is.

    The other disappointing part is no doubt they would have started the documentary on a low, with the club in "crisis" followign the sacking of legend KD despite a reasonable season. It would follow a wave of optimism with "young talented" manager BR taking over. A man dedicated to improving football, full of analysis, 180 page plan dossiers etc etc.

    Only to get hammered by another midtable side 3-0. Doesn't strike you with much confidence does it?

  • Comment number 86.

    56.At 12:41 22nd Aug 2012, ianronduke wrote:
    And even worse than that it gets the tiny minded portion of the population going - step forward Eduard Streltsov - a poor excuse for a United fan - you should always look after your own team you looked awful against Everton even Liverpool beat them a few times last season I would be worried. If only the BBC journalists had an ounce of talenet they probably want to write something on the demise of United. Then Eduard Streltsov can change to being a City fan (if he hasn't already...)
    _________________________

    Obviously LFC's ongoing demise is a hard pill to swallow.

    I find it ironic that LFC fans / posters complain about other fans inputting their opinion when a large swathe of them regularly clog the utd blogs with rubbish like "SAF is cracking up", "utd will be bankrupt", "buying hte title" blah blah.

    Not to mention those LFC fans who vicariously tried to celebrate City's EPL success with their fans. That surely smacks of complete envy and bitterness against their north west utd rivals. I wonder if that would be on the documentary?

  • Comment number 87.

    50.At 10:49 22nd Aug 2012, dogeared wrote:
    @36

    I can't believe the League Cup win won't get a mention.
    ______________________

    The problem is, by mentioning it, US fans would probably think it's sponsored by Disney. I don't think they'd really understand the true meaning of the "Micky Mouse" cup.

  • Comment number 88.

    To the person who said "what about the league cup" - hahahahahahaha!!

    Clutching at straws, typical for LiverpoolFootballClub fans, living off scraps and memories.

    I DO question why Fox woudl want to do a programme about a team who will be very lucky to reach the heady heights of 8th they reached last season. Presumably FSG paid Fox??

  • Comment number 89.

    Documentaries tend to be about subjects that have history, that have now hit troubled waters, are controversial etc though it may be 'bad timing' as the team are not getting the right results it will be of interest to many as the club is irrespective of who your team is very much a part of the rich English football heritage.....My interest would be ideally going back to Rick Parry and why when it appeared DIC - Dubai Investment Corporation were poised to buy the club it was announced the former US pair had bought the club !! That was the start of the end....With Rafa in charge and 'pool just recent European Champions, come 2nd in the PL, DIC would have been another Etihad like at Man City, providing funds so by now I'm convinced we would have had a new stadium or extension, players like Torres would have stayed and others would have joined and history would have been different......But like true fans win or lose YNWA

  • Comment number 90.

    i think they should must prepare such a documentary put Liver Pool back on track...A nice club having a great history in world of soccer.

  • Comment number 91.

    Well the poster at #33 claims he's worked on this doc and it's puff piece where they got no access to the dressing room or anywhere else.

    So does Steve Wilson wish to come back on that or risk looking like an ill-informed fool?

    John Henry is many things but he's no clown. He's got a brand to protect and indeed in commissioning this series he's no doubt trying to enhance said brand and increase its value for his own ends.

    Anyone expecting to see the last days of King Kenny as he emulates Peter Reid (in the brilliant "Premier Passions") by lashing tea cups and swearing at underperforming prima-donnas will be in for a big let down.

  • Comment number 92.

    Wow, Fox eh? Looks like we're going to be in for another 45 min teaser show 'a la' Kitchen nightmares USA!

  • Comment number 93.

    Perhaps they should get Spielburg to re-edit the footage, a bit of CGI to switch the colours over so that Lukaku is seen heading the third in red, while the hapless blue and white stripes stand statuesque ...

    As things stand, this is fantastic brand awareness in the USA for the boing boing Baggies! :)

  • Comment number 94.

    87. eduard_streltsov_ghost wrote:

    The problem is, by mentioning it (the League Cup), US fans would probably think it's sponsored by Disney. I don't think they'd really understand the true meaning of the "Micky Mouse" cup.
    ---------------------------------------
    Well the documentary might want to show an example of a trophy. Going to Old Trafford they would have nothing to see from the fruits of a trophiless season. But at Anfield they can actually see one, as well as the BIG one, which as you know, is ours to keep.

  • Comment number 95.

    This is never a good idea, it makes compelling viewing for the wrong reasons. The pressence of camera's can only be off putting for the players and back room staff. We all know drama, tantrums and fall outs make great viewing and great head lines, but as the article rightly points out "Fly on the wall documentaries often make great viewing, but they seldom reflect well on whatever or whoever the fly is watching"

    Supporters want to believe in a dream and that starts as the players run out of the tunnel, the nightmare will begin when we see the dream doesn't exist

  • Comment number 96.

    94.At 13:59 23rd Aug 2012, DaveC wrote:
    Well the documentary might want to show an example of a trophy. Going to Old Trafford they would have nothing to see from the fruits of a trophiless season. But at Anfield they can actually see one, as well as the BIG one, which as you know, is ours to keep.
    ___________________________

    Going to Old Trafford, they'd probably see the biggest trophy room in the country.

    Going to Anfield is like going to a museum and seeing a bunch of dusty artefacts. Then again, watching LFC last season was like a throwback to the Jurassic Period, with Kennysaurus managing the team headlined by it's own friendly Brontosaurus Andy Carroll.

  • Comment number 97.

    What a stupid idea by the Liverpool board. With the flack they've been through the past few years with owners, managers and poor results, the last thing they need is an American film crew watching their every move!

    http://www.mega-fortune.co

  • Comment number 98.

    @87 - still a major trophy, just think after this season it will be 2 years since Utd would have won a trophy, almost Arsenal like!

  • Comment number 99.

    As I think has been mentioned by a previous post/s, I do not believe this documentary will have an impact to be honest, the results of the sinking ship that is Liverpool Football Club matters more. Let's say this documentary does have an impact, I do believe it will be more negative than positive, seeing as Liverpool keeps taking actions that are driving it down and are making things go from bad to worse.

    @41 - Metropolis1 - "when Liverpool were on top of the footballing world."
    When was that? Oh yeah, never. Get real my friend, Liverpool have never been on top of the footballing world, the only times you had a chance to be such you were beat by South Americans, twice of which were Brazilian. 1981 - Massacred by Flamengo and Zico. 2005 - Beat by Sao Paulo. Lets not forget Independiente in between. Dream on.

  • Comment number 100.

    98. At 15:34 23rd Aug 2012, Reinasbaldhead wrote:
    @87 - still a major trophy, just think after this season it will be 2 years since Utd would have won a trophy, almost Arsenal like!
    __________________________
    Well I guess that's what happens with the Kenny philosophy! Finishing 8th with a league cup (the micky mouse cup) is more important than finishing second and in the CL.

    That's why utd get RVP and kagawa and you get borini and allen.

 

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