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Kenny's cup-winning Reds at a crossroads

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Steve Wilson | 13:30 UK time, Friday, 2 March 2012

If at the beginning of this first full season of the second coming of Kenny Dalglish at Anfield you had asked Liverpool fans whether they would take a trophy and European qualification, I fancy most would have reckoned on that being a very decent outcome.

Liverpool achieved both those goals in one afternoon by winning the Carling Cup last Sunday.

Now, what will the rest of the season hold?

In some ways, Liverpool are at a crossroads. The FA Cup is a very enticing prospect, with a home quarter final against Stoke City, no Manchester United, Manchester City or Arsenal in their way - and no guarantee that Chelsea will make the last eight either.

But a return to the Champions League would be the most significant achievement of all.

This campaign is beginning to bear some real similarities with the 2001 season when Liverpool used the momentum of cup wins, which came thick and fast, to squeeze qualification for the Champions League for the first time under its new name.

And, just as then, their push started with a League Cup final win on penalties against Championship opposition......for Birmingham City in 2001, read Cardiff City now.

Dalglish holds the Carling Cup aloft after beating Cardiff 3-2 on penalties. Photo: Getty

In those days, only three English teams qualified for the Champions League. But, once the League Cup had been won, Liverpool successfully juggled Uefa Cup and FA Cup quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals with their last dozen league games to make up ground on the top teams and pip Leeds United to third place on the last day of the season.

This time have Liverpool have no European fixtures to contend with, but more ground to make up in the league.

They are seventh, seven points behind both Arsenal and Chelsea and four behind Newcastle but with a game in hand (against Everton) on them all.

Maybe the freedom and confidence of a first trophy since 2006 will allow them to take off the shackles and turn draws into wins, especially at home?

After all, if they miss out on the Champions League this time, future qualification is only likely to get harder for Liverpool. Chelsea and Arsenal are vulnerable at the moment in a way they may not be next season. Neither have found any consistent form and both may strengthen considerably in the summer.

Certainly Chelsea have a spending power which Liverpool could not live with and, who knows, manager Arsene Wenger may even take the padlocks off the Arsenal purse strings.

It's hard to gauge which way Spurs will go if Harry Redknapp leaves, but they will obviously be a force, while the two Manchester clubs would seem to have places at the top table more or less guaranteed and Newcastle will be hoping that they can build on their considerable achievements so far this season.

There is also the possibility that any more poor years in the Champions League could see the Premier League's quota cut back to three clubs.

If that were to happen than Liverpool's hopes of being on the inside of the gravy train looking out rather than the outside looking in would look slimmer again. That's why I say Liverpool are at a crossroads.

For Kenny's men, the League Cup was a start and the FA Cup would be fantastic, but the remaining 13 league games are crucial. They start with Arsenal coming to Anfield on Saturday and, if Liverpool are to close that seven-point gap, that's almost a must-win match.

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    Wahoo! 4th on the list. That represents an achievement in my book.

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    Carling Cup is usually won by one of the top four's youth......... the fact Cardiff took them to penalties highlights Liverpools quality, i was in amsterdam during the game with a load of liverpool fans, watched it in the grasshopper, before the game every liverpool fan was excepting a 3-0 or 3-1, after the game they were just happy to have scraped through

  • Comment number 7.

    @clippo

    I agree, I know that I and most of my peers, including Liverpool fans, agree that the clubs handling of the whole situation has been very poor.

    With regard the blog, I really don't see Liverpool getting 4th with the players that Dalglish has brought in (bar Suarez and Enrique), the British contingent of the team are not of enough quality to push for a CL spot.

    Looks like if the owners really want CL back, they are going to have to splash more cash. Let's hope Dalglish doesn't buy another £35 million flop with it though!

  • Comment number 8.

    The sooner Kenny leaves Football the better, his actions during the Saurez saga were a joke and he has disgraced Liverpool FC.

    (thanks #3)

  • Comment number 9.

    Agreed we need a little bit more quality going forward, the gap might be too big this season unless we have a run like last year into the end of the season.

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    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 11.

    @9

    Yes more quality going forward and more EQuality off the pitch

  • Comment number 12.

    Kenny came in to close the gap at the top. However, Liverpool are still closer to relegation than the top - is that progress??!!

    As King Red said in post 6 - the top teams go on to win the Carling Cup with their kids and in a bygone era so would Liverpool. But these days they have to field their strongest team and still end up being at the same level as a team that sits 6th in the Championship - only difference was being fitness level

  • Comment number 13.

    Spot on @3

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    @10 Agreed but your saving grace is that Chelsea and Arsenal have taken a major step backwards. Chelsea are also going to be the worst effected by the fair play rules if they stay at the Bridge

  • Comment number 15.

    @ 12 - looks like most of the big sides tend to play relatively strong teams in the final (Arsenal last year, Spurs and Man United in prior years) so perhaps you need to brush up on your football knowledge before coming to talk with the adults. Perhaps you need to get under your Wayne Rooney duvet and do a bit of reading.

  • Comment number 16.

    england4life that is an outrageous comment, let me guess, United fan?

    Like Dalglish said he didnt see what happened which is why he didnt comment properly, if the press and everyone else in the world did the same then perhaps people like yourself would have a better understanding of life in general.

    What would you like to happen? perhaps everyone in football should be thrown out because of a mistake, by the way this would mean no more of your perfect Wayne Rooney, goodbye Giggs also.

    Think before you type such a stupid comment next time, it will make you look a lot smarter if what you said had any justification whatsoever.

    P.S: "Disgraces" only last as long as the back pages of your Sun newspaper want them too - believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear. Good luck.

  • Comment number 17.

    @16

    think england4life is a liverpool fan mate

  • Comment number 18.

    @ 16 - eloquently put.

  • Comment number 19.

    If Liverpool are to really challenge for the top 4 next year they need to replace extremely average players like Charlie 'Hit it Long and Hope' Adam and Stuart Downing (Downing was great against championship opponents in the final, but isnt top half of the premier quality). Liverpool need to sign some creativity and real quality. They spent a fortune last summer and probably ended up with a weaker team as a result.
    Kenny has done really well to win a cup and as a motivator of players and getting his teams playing good football he is up there with the best managers in the league, but as a buyer of players he has been terrible since he came back with only Suarez and Enrique really being worth anything like what he paid for them.

  • Comment number 20.

    @ 19 - agree on most points there, maybe a bit harsh on Downing as i think he has been in and out of the team a little and actually would have had a few assists by now if we had a poacher in the box.

  • Comment number 21.

    I've never really minded LFC, neither loved nor loathed. Since "king" Kenny has been in charge I have developed an unhealthy hatred for them. The guy is rude, handled the whole (yes i'm bored of it too) Suarez thing appallingly and just carries a general aura of ignorance around with him...oh well not my problem!

  • Comment number 22.

    The emergence of Agger and Skrtel as a defensive partnership has been great, Enrique and Johnson are doing well and Carroll is starting to show why so much was spent on him by finally putting together some decent performances on a consistent basis. But this has been offset by the extremely poor performances of Henderson, Adam's and Downing's very often flat shows and a very unfortunate injury to Lucas. Clear out Henderson entirely, bring in another decent striker to back up Suarez and Carroll and if another good central midfielder becomes available then bring him in for Adam. Fourth spot might be too much for this season but with some tinkering, next season could be very good.

  • Comment number 23.

    @16

    you seem to have lost your rag a little

    there is clearly a ground swell of opinion against queen kenny...so i think it's a wee bit harsh to have such a pop at #3

  • Comment number 24.

    @23

    Yep... just dont understand how elements of our game do not take a zero tolerance approach to racism.

    Marky Mark this is not a United vs Liverpool thing. I couldnt care less about either club but a matter of common decency and morality.

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  • Comment number 26.

    The problem seems to be the press love dredging the whole Suarez/Evra and Liverpool/Man U thing up at every possible opportunity, not helped by behaviour from some/all of those involved. So eventually the press forget about it (think back to Roy Keane admitting trying to hurt opponents) or the press need to give someone a bit of goodwill (every club Harry Redknapp has been at has had money issues. Coincidence? But we need him as England manager so people forget about the fact Portsmouth are struggling to survive)

    Also these well paid journalists on the BBC website (paid for by the TV licence buyers) seem to put a piece out about Liverpool every day. Quite frankly they should be asked to give their salaries back. They are meant to be experts in their field, we get the same drivel every day. Appalling.

  • Comment number 27.

    Arsenal and Chelsea are by their standards having absolutely atrocious seasons....and yet Liverpool are still below them.

    Winning a trophy (albeit a largely reserve competition) represents at least a return to trophy winning but as for a title challenge, absolutely no chance.

  • Comment number 28.

    A lot of bitter kids on here!
    'Queen Kenny' that's a quality insult that mate, did you think of that while you were at school?
    What has Kenny done that has been racist? He has supported a player because he strongly believes that he is not racist. Are you lot seriously saying you'll let FA commissions make every opinion for you? Suarez would not have been found guilty by a court as Evra's account was as inconsistent, if not more, than his. This is why Kenny has backed Suarez. It is a simple matter of sticking to your principles and backing a person you believe wrongly accused. None of you commenting have read the FA Report on the Suarez case so please shut up.
    Now onto the real matter, Kenny has made considerable progress and it really is a project he has right now. We have achieved success for the first time in 6 years, and are in a very good position to achieve even more success. 4th would be the icing on the cake in a very tough and close league at the moment.
    Be quiet children.

  • Comment number 29.

    @23 & 24

    I didn't know Kenny was accused of racism must of missed that one.

    Also missed the point of this blog by looks of it, here was me thinking it was whether Liverpool could build on the League Cup win.

    Anyway

    Would love to get 4th but I think that might be to much of a push this season but we are back in Europe and have a very good chance for the FA cup

  • Comment number 30.

    haha swindonbluearmy at it again!

    Did you have a bad scotch egg or something?

  • Comment number 31.

    4th would be the icing on the cake in a very tough and close league at the moment.

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    That it would be. But not getting 4th, given Chelsea's and Arsenal's pathetic seasons plus over £100 million spent on players would represent failure.

  • Comment number 32.

    28. At 16:19 2nd Mar 2012, Bakez wrote:

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    I think someone has a man crush ;)

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    30. At 16:21 2nd Mar 2012, 1971wasagoodyear wrote:
    haha swindonbluearmy at it again!

    Did you have a bad scotch egg or something?

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    I did indeed... are you following me?

  • Comment number 34.

    a lot off people need to brush up on their knowledge and theres one there who needs to brush up on his maths skills,how the hell is liverpool closer to the relegation zone than the top,20 teams in league,3 get relegated their six places of top so how are they closer to relagation,if you had of went to school when you were suppose to instead of sniffing bags of clue maybe half of you thick headed idiots would actually know what your talking about,and as for the saurez issue the board couldnt even prove what was said,bunch of haters,some people hate other teams more than they support there own.

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    34. At 16:25 2nd Mar 2012, shanksredarmy wrote:

    Any chance you can tell me where I can get a bag of clue from? sounds great!

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    if you had of went to school when you were suppose to instead of sniffing bags of clue maybe half of you thick headed idiots would actually know what your talking about

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    Clue sniffing really is bad for you kids. Worse than glue in some respects.

  • Comment number 37.

    @25. swindonbluearmy wrote:

    ''haha Queen Kenny... He's an angrier, more belligerent, and (most importantly) no where near as good version of Fergie...and that's from a City fan!''

    No doubt you prefer the Italian version, a dervish running up and down touchlines waving imaginary cards. Must admit though, since Stevie G put him in his place the guy's behaved himself.

  • Comment number 38.

    @23 Clippo
    "there is clearly a ground swell of opinion against queen kenny."

    Not amongst Liverpool fans and that is all that counts. If you're not a Liverpool fan then your opinion as to who should be manager is worthless.

  • Comment number 39.

    Ignoring all the previous one-eyed negative comments from quarters that should not even deserve the 'oxygen-of-publicity', I would say that the points raised in the article are quite right regarding questions over LFC's future prospects.
    Am sure that those inside the club from top to bottom are quite aware of the problems that exist and attempting to move it forward into CL qualification.
    Myself like many grounded LFC supporters at the start of the season would accept the situation we now have as the final outcome for the season.
    However, that doesn't stop you from wishing or hoping for a little more. And why not? If you don't continually readjust expectations upwards after any achievements, why bother in the first place.
    Unlike, many other of the clubs supporters I don't see the the LFC world through rose-tinted glasses, with wild expectations of hitting the heights of former glory. These possibilities can only regained (if at all) by steady progress over a number of seasons. Something which am sure that the current owners, management and senior playing staff understand.
    As a result of which, I would be more than happy to see considered re-investment in the club at all levels take place gradually, rather than hot-house force it by throwing huge amounts at it that produce very little.

    Yes, let's see if CL qualification is possible by giving it a good push in what remains of this season, and maybe reaching another Wembley Final.
    There is no way that LFC or the majority of EPL clubs can follow the Galactico formula to achieve success. Instead it has to built upon from a more pragmatic approach.

    Who knows what the future holds? That's what makes it interesting.

    YNWA-96-39

  • Comment number 40.

    34. At 16:25 2nd Mar 2012, shanksredarmy wrote:

    look at the league table... do the maths....come back and apologise! (24 pts from top and 19 pts from bottom in case you cant be bothered)

    37. At 16:29 2nd Mar 2012, Say_LFC_5_times wrote:

    Touche' .....and yes I do ;)

  • Comment number 41.

    Tactically inept, signing players that are no where near their value and handling the media like it's the 1990's......

    Liverpool should be realistic and aim for 4th spot at best while KD is in charge.

  • Comment number 42.

    As a Liverpool fan I am of course hoping for 4th spot. A lot depends on other teams failing now unfortunately. I think our squad is strong enough, even with the injuries we have to key players.

    The big worry is that we get 4th spot, get into the CL, and then fail miserably like the 2 Manchester clubs. Now that WOULD be a disaster!

  • Comment number 43.

    @31 We all follow United
    "That it would be. But not getting 4th, given Chelsea's and Arsenal's pathetic seasons plus over £100 million spent on players would represent failure."

    Whilst you are entitled to your opinion, as you are clearly not a Liverpool fan, your opinion counts for nothing as to what criteria should matter as to the success (or not) of Liverpool's season.

  • Comment number 44.

    42. At 16:37 2nd Mar 2012, Say_LFC_5_times wrote:

    Look at your players.. especially when Lucas is back you have the makings of a really good team, (first 11 anyway) so 4th should be very realistic! just think you need a manager for the 21st century to get them there.

  • Comment number 45.

    43. At 16:38 2nd Mar 2012, mrs svennis wrote:

    he's correct though isn't he?

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    @ 40
    look at the league table... do the maths....come back and apologise! (24 pts from top and 19 pts from bottom in case you cant be bothered)

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    Must be the clue last time I tried it I got Prof Plum stuck up my nose

  • Comment number 47.

    #43
    It was a disaster, but then we had to at least qualify to be in with a chance of that disaster. No Champions League and you're amongst the minnows. Is that acceptable for a club like Liverpool? Especially after spending over £100 million?

  • Comment number 48.

    Liverpool are as close to fourth as they are to thirteenth. While I don't see them getting 4th, unless Kenny really gets it together, there is a danger of being caught by Norwich or even Sunderland. I agree completely Chelsea and Arsenal are vulnerable, but Arsenals more recent form against a team that can't score easily , gives them the edge for the weekend. Norwich have Stoke and Wigan and Liverpool have Arsenal and Sunderland. I can't see them getting 3 points. Pool are a great cup team. Always have been.

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    46. At 16:41 2nd Mar 2012, maccaynwa wrote:

    haha brilliant

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    50. At 16:50 2nd Mar 2012, collie21 wrote:

    Hey leave him alone, he has introduced us to "clue sniffing" so not all bad!

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    Carroll is starting to show why so much was spent on him by finally putting together some decent performances on a consistent basis.
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    Well he makes me laugh..

    The blog will turn into Liverpool v ManU shortly I expect!

  • Comment number 53.

    @45 swindonbluearmy

    Personally, no I don't think he's right. I guess I'm a little old fashioned but I believe managers need time to really get a team molded in their image, at least 3 full seasons. KD has been in the job 13 months. In that time he has managed to shift all the dross bought by Woy, has won a trophy and guaranteed some sort of European football for next season. The club has clearly improved in his brief tenure, maybe not as much as we'd hoped but KD has my 100% support because I am a Liverpool supporter! There are plenty of fans of other teams who love to knock us, as is their right but I believe in getting behind my team and giving them time to be successful or not. I cannot abide the modern trend where so called fans give a player or manager 5 minutes before declaring them to be rubbish.

  • Comment number 54.

    @47 We all follow United

    Quick question which would you choose to qualify for CL and not win anything (what is a very good chance for Utd) or to win something and qualify for Europa?

  • Comment number 55.

    #53
    I'm not declaring Dalglish to be 'rubbish' but a club of Liverpool's size should be in the Champions League, especially after a £100 million plus spend and given the struggles of Arsenal and Chelsea. You say he's shifted all the 'dross bought by woy' but has replaced it with his own dross in Henderson, Carroll, Downing and Adam. Liverpool probably have improved slightly but haven't they only got 4 more points than this time last season or something? Is that a £100 million improvement?

  • Comment number 56.

    51. At 16:52 2nd Mar 2012, swindonbluearmy wrote:
    50. At 16:50 2nd Mar 2012, collie21 wrote:

    Hey leave him alone, he has introduced us to "clue sniffing" so not all bad!

    I can't believe it, they took away my comment, I was only having a laugh. Oh, well life beckons... Liverpool... ha!

  • Comment number 57.

    I see that objectivity amongst the bbc commentors has not improved. Liverpool win the FIRST AVAILABLE TROPHY of the season and get criticised for celebrating, whilst still being in the hunt for fourth and in the FA cup. Not one team played a second string side in the competition this year because any trophy is valuable. Any Arsenal fan would bite your hand off for a bit of silverware and if they say they wouldn't then they are a liar. Fair points made in the article although i think arsenal are in a very similar situation to liverpool and need to sort things out before it becomes impossible. Winning a cup is always a plus and wont do the players any harm. I know people on here love twisting facts to make liverpool look bad but in all honesty its pathetic, do you not talk to people in real life? are you just sitting on your computer trawling for places to air your ridiculous opinions? I mean i know people that dispise liverpool but do not let it cloud their judment so ludicrously. Its bloody annoying having to read through all this c**p in order to find a few reasoned comments, Sort it out BBC!!

  • Comment number 58.

    You have to assume that Liverpool deliberately targeted up and at em British / Prem league players as an alternative to the more technically gifted but perhaps less driven Spanish and French players they had gone for previously.

    Carroll I feel for; if what was required was an impact player for the last 20 mins or a "presence" up front then frankly Crouch, Pavyluchenko or Holt would have done for much less money. Good player, wrong team (much like the man he replaced funnily enough). As for Newcastle, they must be laughing their heads off; Ba and Cisse plus still change from the deal...

    Henderson was bought one assumes as a box to box midfielder who can also play wide and get 10 goals a season. Needless to say proven "Roy Keane"/"Freddie Ljunberg"/"Gary Speed"/"Tim Cahill" types are in short supply, particularly in our leagues. He is still young and may benefit from a loan. However, he doesn't look likely to emulate the above names. Personally I would have had a look at Gardener or Morrison...again same player for half the cost.

    Adam had a great season in an attacking side who often played on the break. He perhaps needs a season to adapt to side expected and under more pressure to win; just like Lucas and Alonso. He hasn't got that yard of pace that would help him carry the ball and doesn't ever seem to get into the box. Again, like Carroll, perhaps a good player in the wrong team/formation...one of the Swansea guys would perhaps have been more attuned to Liverpool's more possession focused game?

    Downing has always had the talent but has always flattered to deceive; he will never be in the same league as Lennon/Nani which is what Liverpool could really do with; i.e. 10 goals a season from the back post or shots from outside the box and an equal number of assists borne out of pace as much as dribbling skills. Replace him.

    Good buys for Liverpool:

    * Huntelaar (fox in the box); ahead of Bent or Defoe!
    * Centre half cover for man of glass Agger and old man Carragher (Coates is not this person!)
    * The 10 goals from midfield guy Henderson was presumably supposed to be
    * The game controlling Alonso type that presumably Adam was supposed to be
    * James McLean, Scott Sinclair or Xhaquiri from Basel

    They should also put an arm round Kuyt's shoulder; he gives 120% each time, even when played out of position and has a proven golden touch in terms of goals in big games. Strange that they seem to want him out..?

    Finally, all this talk of buy young as an

  • Comment number 59.

    @15 no they don't!!!!

    They play a mixture of kids, 1st teamers and reserves.

    Like I said a full strength Liverpool is only 1 isotonic drink better than a team sitting 6th in the Championship.........

    There are no World Class Players in your team which is why you sit closer to relegation than to top spot

  • Comment number 60.

    racemanracer... YES THEY DO!!

    Man City played such a weak side against Liverpool didn't they?

    Who do you support out of interest? Do you think if you say things enough they will come true?

  • Comment number 61.

    You have to assume that Liverpool deliberately targeted up and at em British / Prem league players as an alternative to the more technically gifted but perhaps less driven Spanish and French players they had gone for previously.

    Carroll I feel for; if what was required was an impact player for the last 20 mins or a "presence" up front then frankly Crouch, Pavyluchenko or Holt would have done for much less money. Good player, wrong team (much like the man he replaced funnily enough). As for Newcastle, they must be laughing their heads off; Ba and Cisse plus still change from the deal...

    Henderson was bought one assumes as a box to box midfielder who can also play wide and get 10 goals a season. Needless to say proven "Roy Keane"/"Freddie Ljunberg"/"Gary Speed"/"Tim Cahill" types are in short supply, particularly in our leagues. He is still young and may benefit from a loan. However, he doesn't look likely to emulate the above names. Personally I would have had a look at Gardener or Morrison...again same player for half the cost.

    Adam had a great season in an attacking side who often played on the break. He perhaps needs a season to adapt to side expected and under more pressure to win; just like Lucas and Alonso. He hasn't got that yard of pace that would help him carry the ball and doesn't ever seem to get into the box. Again, like Carroll, perhaps a good player in the wrong team/formation...one of the Swansea guys would perhaps have been more attuned to Liverpool's more possession focused game?

    Downing has always had the talent but has always flattered to deceive; he will never be in the same league as Lennon/Nani which is what Liverpool could really do with; i.e. 10 goals a season from the back post or shots from outside the box and an equal number of assists borne out of pace as much as dribbling skills. Replace him.

    Good buys for Liverpool:

    * Huntelaar (fox in the box); ahead of Bent or Defoe!
    * Centre half cover for man of glass Agger and old man Carragher (Coates is not this person!)
    * The 10 goals from midfield guy Henderson was presumably supposed to be
    * The game controlling Alonso type that presumably Adam was supposed to be
    * James McLean, Scott Sinclair or Xhaquiri from Basel

    They should also put an arm round Kuyt's shoulder; he gives 120% each time, even when played out of position and has a proven golden touch in terms of goals in big games. Strange that they seem to want him out..?

    Finally, all this talk of buy young as an inv

  • Comment number 62.

    @57

    You might want to look at the teams the likes of Man Utd put on the park before spouting unresearched nonsense.

    The dross we need to trawl through for reasoned comments may just be yours.

  • Comment number 63.

    @62
    @57

    You might want to look at the teams the likes of Man Utd put on the park before spouting unresearched nonsense.

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    Yes and they did really well in the League Cup

    Fact of the matter Liverpool won it end of story.

    Ah well you've still got the FA cup.......whoops to soon?

  • Comment number 64.

    #55 Well you could say that MU, MC, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal & Liverpool should all be in the CL. We don't have a divine right to be in, just because we're a big club. To be honest, overall our league form means we just haven't been good enough - yet. We need to beat Arsenal & Chelsea at home to have any chance. If I had to put money on it I would say we will miss out.

    To compare the players Woy bought (Konchesky, Poulsen, Cole) with KD's as being equally dross is imho ridiculous. Sure Carroll, Downing and Henderson have been disappointing but they need time. As I said earlier I cannot abide writing players off so quickly. It is the curse of the modern game driven by the tabloid media and lapped up by half-witted "fans" who are a disgrace to the teams they supposedly support.

  • Comment number 65.

    @60 Paulo

    "Who do you support out of interest? Do you think if you say things enough they will come true?"


    Not that it really matters but I am a Queen Of The South fan.
    Queens will win the Champions League....Queens will win the Champions League....Queens will win the Champions League....Queens will win the Champions League....Queens will win the Champions League

    I wonder if that is enough times for it to come true......

  • Comment number 66.

    ha ha. Well you do seem to have it in for Liverpool. Obviously if Man Utd are playing potten end in the first round they aren't gonna play a full strength side, thats commen sense and the same applies for the FA Cup. But all clubs now take this competition seriously and Liverpool won it and should be congratulated on it not citicised for stories the press decide to go with.

  • Comment number 67.

    @63

    What a stupid comment!!....instead of belittling me you proved my point. And after doing so you also tried to insult me with the FA cup comment but as I don't support Man Utd it didn't work.

    The statement form Paulo @57 was "Not one team played a second string side in the competition this year "

    I was just pointing out that he lied.

    And you are right the Utd kids were not good enough to beat Crystal Palace

  • Comment number 68.

    Remember the days (late 70's) when Kopites referred to the Milk Cup - now the Carling Cup as "Mickey Mouse" - read Phil Thompson's lips.

    Now it is the catalyst to better things !!

    Give me a break - just another indication of how far a once proud club (?) has fallen - Luis Suarez et al

  • Comment number 69.

    #68 As someone who stood on the Kop in the 70's I never heard anyone call any competition "mickey mouse" - we wanted to win everything. I certainly enjoyed us winning it 4 times in a row 81-4.

    You're right though we have fallen since that time from regular league and European cup winners to now trying to scrape 4th. I will still support my team though as thats what fans do - get behind their team through thick & thin. I can always look on the bright side - I could have ended up an Everton fan like my dad and had to suffer 40 years of sh*t football.

  • Comment number 70.

    At 17:08 2nd Mar 2012, racemanracer wrote:

    Like I said a full strength Liverpool is only 1 isotonic drink better than a team sitting 6th in the Championship.........

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    So assuming for example that you support Arsenal then does that mean your team isn't as good as Birmingham who beat them in League Cup Final last year? Because if that's the point you're making then shouldn't Birmingham be 4th in the Premier League? Or have we discovered an error in your almost Sherlock Holmes style logic?

  • Comment number 71.

    Liverpool's fate could be all but decided tomorrow with a loss.

    In that event arsenal would have a commanding 10 point lead over Liverpool, although having played a game more.

    Victory for Chelsea over West Brom tomorrow would also heap the pressure on even in Liverpool were to get a win.

    Time is running out when there are 7 - 10 point gaps in consideration.

    As with the League Cup that their own fans have undeniably termed Mickey Mouse, Liverpool mat well be realistically looking no more than a place on Channel 5 next season for which their fans have taken great delight at mocking others.

  • Comment number 72.

    and Man City having lost to liverpool in the semi final? and man U having lost to us in the FA cup? Finals are always close games. Barcelona have lost to Getafe (or somebody equally as low down cant be bothered to check sorry) this season now they are s**t, well at least thats what i heard.

  • Comment number 73.

    In fact, any point gap is a worry when you consider you'r relying on other teams to drop points so you can snatch a champions League qualifying place.

  • Comment number 74.

    lol@ all the nasty little trolls :o))

    Liverpool are back, and they are here to stay - get used to it Manchester ;o)

    Trophies are more important than the champions league - after all, Arsenal have qualified for the CL for the last eight seasons, but where is their place in history during that time? Whats the point in being also rans all the time?

  • Comment number 75.

    Liverpool are three games away from doing the double...no other team in the Prem can say that...

  • Comment number 76.

    I do see a teensy weensy bit of frustration here from 'fans' who wish to see Liverpool FC fail. If you go back to 2010, those same 'fans' were wringing their hands with glee at the possibility of the club falling the same way as Leeds did. Unfortunately for them it didn't happen. This says a lot about the resolve of LFC as a great footballing institution.

    Kenny is a great man and a great manager still finding his feet in the PL. And, irrespective of how it was done, the important thing is, he has won a trophy in his first season. Our big problem this season in the PL is not taking our chances, especially at home. Kenny knows this and I'm sure he'll do all he can to put that right.

    We still have the FA Cup to come. No doubt if we come up against a lower league club in the final and win on pens, those same 'fans' will be back once more saying we failed again. Oh well..

  • Comment number 77.

    The sport is about winning trophies, not finishing third/fourth.

    Liverpool will be ok. Even in a transitional period and having been brought to the brink by the previous ownership, they're winning trophies.

    What a shame that many fans simply don't seem to care about the pursuit of trophies anymore.

  • Comment number 78.

    And sports journalists/pundits, for that matter.

  • Comment number 79.

    Agree with 76 and 77.

    I recall the last time Spurs and Everton qualified for the CL - they got their butts kicked.

    Their domestic form suffered big time too - you need a big strong squad to compete in the CL, which is why Man United failed so miserably this season in a weak division and will finish wih zero trophies.

  • Comment number 80.

    68. TOFFEENUT85 wrote:

    ''Remember the days (late 70's) when Kopites referred to the Milk Cup - now the Carling Cup as "Mickey Mouse" - read Phil Thompson's lips.

    Now it is the catalyst to better things !!

    Give me a break - just another indication of how far a once proud club (?) has fallen - Luis Suarez et al''
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    Actually I am one of many who, after Sunday, has attended every one of our LC Finals. I've enjoyed every victory including the one over the 'bitters', and hated the losses. When all is said and done it is a trophy, not the PL and not the FA Cup, but it's one of the 3 domestic trophies available. We've won one and in with a shout of another. Interesting you should use the term 'once proud'. Well I am proud of my club.... are you?

  • Comment number 81.

    #71 "As with the League Cup that their own fans have undeniably termed Mickey Mouse, Liverpool mat well be realistically looking no more than a place on Channel 5 next season for which their fans have taken great delight at mocking others."

    The only "fans" that call it mickey mouse or mock teams for being in the Europa League are the armchair internet idiots. All clubs are stained with these reprobates. I've even seen so called Utd fans calling for Fergies head this season. Fans who actually go to games realise just how difficult any success is to achieve.

  • Comment number 82.

    Can we get over the suarez affair now?
    The fact is, Liverpool have the most ordinary team I have seen in donkeys years. I was not surprised at all when Benitez was basically given the boot, but that team oozed class compared to the mediocrity Dalglish has assembled now.
    Even the King of Misery himself cannot complain about a lack of funds; his superiors gave him the Torres money, only for him to blow it on a big geordie boozer. He got his priority midfield signings in Adam and Downing, so no excuses on that front.

    His best performers have been Skrtel and Kuyt, two very underrated players. But Kenny inherited both of them. People criticise Roy Hodgson, but not even his team was as lacklustre to watch as Dalglish's side. Should Liverpool (miraculously) qualify for the CL, they will need to massively strengthen their squad in midfield. It's not a lack of strikers, it's a lack of quality balls forward from midfield areas. Oh, and a dour manager stuck in 1995.

  • Comment number 83.

    Who cares what the internet warriors say?

    Liverpool won yet another trophy. And they're one of only two clubs in England which, when in the top tier of European competition, have any realistic chance of actually winning that trophy, too.

    I simply do not understand the unbridled joy of a supporter who prays to win nothing and be ultimately humiliated on the greatest stage, something which can never be said of 5-times European Cup winners.

  • Comment number 84.

    For the love of god please no more 'will Carling Cup success spur Liverpool on' articles!

    Of course it won't, it's completely irrelevent! Birmingham won it last year and they got relegated. Fair play to Liverpool for winning it of course, and yes it is an achievement, but I can't remember a deluge of articles this time last year from a host of pundits and ex Birmingham players seeing it as some kind of 'crossroads'.

    The reaction of the BBC to Liverpool's Carling Cup win is another shining example of the network's obsession with the formerly great club. Fair enough, in the early years of the Premier League the amount of coverage Liverpool received may have been warranted due to previous success, but come on, they haven't won the league for over 20 years!

    Don't get me wrong I've no dislike for Liverpool Football Club, which of course is one of England most historically successful and internationally recognised teams, but it is so clear to see from every liverpool supporter and non-supporter that they are an absolute million miles away from competing with Man City and Man Utd, and have failed to break into the top four in a season in which both Arsenal and Chelsea have been incredibly average.

    So please, let's have some proper debate: who's going to win the Premier League? Why won't Arsenal spend any money? What's Newcastle's stadium called? Anything but more Liverpool.

  • Comment number 85.

    82. Stokerambo wrote: ''People criticise Roy Hodgson, but not even his team was as lacklustre to watch as Dalglish's side.''
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    Did you actually say this? I cannot believe anyone would think the dross served up by Hodgson had any merit. His reign was the worst few months I can ever remember. We were all glad to see the back of the 'head rubber'.

    Seems you don't like KD very much, so who cares? To us he is a breath of fresh air, and a winner (refer to Sunday for definition of the word)!

  • Comment number 86.

    Shanksredarmy.....
    Your babbling is almost as embarrassing as your grammar.
    I think it's you that needs to get back to school, m'lud.

    :strokeschin:

  • Comment number 87.

    81. At 19:00 2nd Mar 2012, mrs svennis wrote:
    #71 "As with the League Cup that their own fans have undeniably termed Mickey Mouse, Liverpool mat well be realistically looking no more than a place on Channel 5 next season for which their fans have taken great delight at mocking others."

    The only "fans" that call it mickey mouse or mock teams for being in the Europa League are the armchair internet idiots. All clubs are stained with these reprobates. I've even seen so called Utd fans calling for Fergies head this season. Fans who actually go to games realise just how difficult any success is to achieve.

    **if you're not one of these reprobates then what I wrote wasn't aimed at you was it? I didn't say all liverpool fans, but they are nonetheless liverpool fans.An if a club relied entirely on match going fans for existence they'd probably be at the most lower league

  • Comment number 88.

    Bob,

    In general, millions of people in the UK and around the world want to read about and watch Liverpool FC, and the BBC understands this. It's not here to cater for the tiny, tiny minority who post on blogs.

    You don't have to - there's a whole wide world out there for you to find.

  • Comment number 89.

    I think Mr. Wlson is correct in his analysis about Kenny and the prospect of Liverpool FC this season. If they beat Arsenal this Saturday, Liverpool may go furhter up the table and will be competing for the 4th place by the end of the season. They have the potential to reach the final of the FA Cup.= as well.

  • Comment number 90.

    71. kens-management-sabbatical wrote:

    ''Liverpool's fate could be all but decided tomorrow with a loss.''
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    Ah, but will our fate be decided with a win tomorrow? Of course it won't. And why do you call it 'fate', as if the world will end if we don't get 4th? One trophy in the bag, and the pressure is off slightly.

    But I guess you're just a 'Cup (scuse pun) half empty' kinda chap.

  • Comment number 91.

    Good evening all you WUMS and trolls! Should never have got rid of 606!

    So Liverpool have finally brought a trophy home after 6 years. It's a bit like being single for six years and bringing home Susan Boyle.

    BOOM BOOM!

    Title no 20 awaits the Champions. That is all.

  • Comment number 92.

    90,

    Well put.

    Liverpool's fate was at stake when it was being eaten away from the inside by its previous carpetbagger owners.

    Not getting into a European competition is light years away from that.

    I'd be more worried if I were a fan of a club simply not equipped for competing at that level - the destruction of wage structures, inevitable pressure on league performance and well documented 'reaching for the stars' failures would certainly concentrate my thoughts, not to mention the storing up of horrendous debts due to the 'custodianship' of certain clubs which have been parachuted into entirely false positions and whose owners could walk away at any time.

  • Comment number 93.

    Mrs Svennis (#64)

    It may be ridiculous to compare the "dros" Roy bought compared to the "dros" Kenny bought but only because Kenny spent about 10 times as much on his "dros"
    Also you say you cannot abide writing players off so early yet seem quite happy to do it for Roy's signings
    While I don't think Roy did a great job at Liverpool I am not sure how much better he could have done given the resources at his disposal. Remember at the time he was there (and able to spend) he had no money as Gillett and Hicks were up to their eyeballs in debt. Plus over the previous few transfer windows several key players had been sold to pay that debt added to need to freshen up squad anyway (Gerrard picking up more niggles means not guaranteed to be fit for every game like before, Carragher aging too).

  • Comment number 94.

    #86 Hey Soul Patch, why the change of name? Is it to try and escape the shame of justifying racism?

  • Comment number 95.

    So Liverpool have finally brought a trophy home after 6 years. The Carling Cup. It's a bit like being single for six years and bringing home Susan Boyle.

    Missed that bit... makes the joke work better ; )

  • Comment number 96.

    90

    Because the cup win is merely a bonus

    Liverpool sought to get back into the champions league at the start of the season. They invested heavily with that in mind. If they fail to get 4th they won't really have progressed on the previous 2 seasons. A loss to Arsenal would see the just one point better off than 12 months ago.

    Any of UTD, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and now Spurs would surely find it hard to stomach not getting top 4 this season even if on the back of a League Cup victory

  • Comment number 97.

    #87 You completely missed the point. The world is awash with internet idiots who offer nothing to the clubs they allege to support except their ill-informed opinions. If you had any sense you would ignore their worthless views.

  • Comment number 98.

    Right, I'm off. Can see where this is going and it serves no purpose to hang around.

    Will have a look tomorrow and a little chuckle.

  • Comment number 99.

    97

    Wouldn't that also apply to you?

  • Comment number 100.

    @90 ''Because the cup win is merely a bonus''
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    Actually I thought it was a trophy. Yes.. it was shiny and had handles and was filled with bubbly stuff!

    Anyway, it looks like we all could fail this season. Man C wanted the PL, Man U wanted the CL, Chelsea wanted the PL and Arsenal wanted to keep Fabregas.

 

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