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Robbo Robson | 13:19 UK time, Monday, 1 March 2010

Anyone who watched Footballers' Wives will remember what a load of nonsense it was: preposterous, shoddy, lowest common denominator entertainment. (I mean how could someone born in the early 1980s have a name like Chardonnay? If you were naming a lass after a drink back then, you'd have called her Hirondelle.)

Still, based on the events at Stamford Bridge on Saturday, I'd say Footballers' Wives was way too naturalistic.

John Terry (the baddie), little Chelsea cherubs in mascots' garb accompanying him, trots out on to the pitch with his jaw set firm. Wayne Bridge, the goodie, head down, getting on with his work like a real honest John. (Thank goodness Cashley's unfit or we'd have had 'Nation's Darling's Love-Rat Husband' to focus on too.)

Terry's been mistiming a lot of things in recent matches but he got the timing perfect on the missing handshake. Hand out, firm and true, while Bridge ghosts by him like Martin Peters in his pomp... out the hand stayed, a picture of small humiliation.
John Terry and Wayne BridgeJohn Terry and Wayne Bridge fail to shake hands
I half-expected Terry to assay an Oliver Hardy glare at the camera as a custard pie slapped across his chops. Although you have to say Terry's hairdresser had already set out to make the skipper look foolish. Why do lads these days go for a haircut that makes 'em look like Beaker from the Muppets?

You had the suspicion that Terry would get over it pretty quickly with three points in the bag, but then the Muppets theme continued as Mikel, Carvalho, Terry and the Gonzo of the goalkeeping world, Hilario, contrived to let Tevez score a goal softer than a sea otter's pelt.

After that, the Blues were mugged by the endeavour of Bellamy and Tevez as Team Bridge triumphed.

I'd be surprised if Carlo Ancelotti persists with the Portuguese keeper. Positionally, he's the equivalent of a roller skate on a staircase. For two of the goals he fell like a picnic blanket in a breeze. It's just too easy to beat the bloke.

As for Bridge, quite why the Chelsea regulars were booing the lad is beyond me. On balance, his decision to bail out of the England squad should be applauded. The thought of Terry and Bridge training together this week ,under the hawkish eye of every man, woman and child with a 2-pixel camera in their phone, was just a bit much to bear. He's saved the team a lot of hassle.

Mind, it'd be interesting to see what Wayne might do if Terry gets a knock that sees him out of the World Cup - although the erstwhile captain's form is so ropey right now, the only way he's going to be on that plane to Jo'burg is if he gets a pilot's licence. It seems clear that the whole farrago is affecting his form and confidence.

A dig from Craig Bellamy
is not going to make much of a dent, though. I didn't see Craig mobbed by adoring team-mates after either of his goals, did you? Roberto Mancini's got his hands full there.

Of course, one lad who might push Terry for his England place left the pitch in tears on Saturday. I'm not going to slag off Arsene Wenger or Tony Pulis for their responses to the latest horrible injury to an Arsenal player. Suffice to say, I don't believe Ryan Shawcross's challenge was malicious, and the lad's reaction, as with Martin Taylor on Eduardo, tells you all you need to know about how the perpetrator felt.

It'd be nice to think we could prevent these things happening in a football match, but it's a contact sport and that carries its risks, horrible though Ramsey's injury is. Let's hope he makes a good recovery, as Eduardo appears to have done.

The Carling Cup final got the result no one outside Cornwall wanted. Another United win. The 32nd trophy of the Glaswegian's career. Every time he bags another one, I keep thinking of ringing up his missus - who was after all the one who put him off retiring a while back.

I mean, I wouldn't want the man hanging around me chewing his gum and blowing my hair in me face all day long either, but crikey woman, you could've spared us all a lot of teeth ground down to powder if you'd have just sacrificed yourself a little for the good of the game.
Sir Alex Ferguson lifts Carling CupFergie gets his hands on another trophy
The final reminded me of the Everton-Chelsea FA Cup Final: early goal to the underdogs, but the favourites slowly clasped their hands round the Villans' throats and scored the inevitable winner through a class player.

How Nemanja Vidic was still on the pitch is beyond me, mind. Maybe Dowd was dogged by previous comments from the beknighted one, and me I'd be happy for the centre-half to be booked in them circumstances, but the rules is the rules. Taxi for Mr Vidic. And Villa might have managed to take it to penalties.

Meanwhile, the race for fourth continues apace, and Rafa's back to his whingeing post-match best. I have some sympathy for him, mind. I've never liked the way Sam Allardyce's teams play either. But then I'm not a fan of the way Liverpool play at the moment. It was Ugly v Timid on Sunday and the meek inherited the win somehow.

There's no doubt Steven Nzonzi should have departed early, although flinging Lucas to the ground must have secretly endeared him to lot of Koppites.

But it's been another great weekend for the Premier League. There's a wafer-thin mint between the top three, a fag paper between the next four, and the thickness of a butterfly's wing between 13th and 19th. Who's complaining?

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  • 1. At 2:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, Zootmac wrote:

    "Hirondelle"? You can't name a fetching heroine after a swallow, Robbo. People might talk.

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  • 2. At 2:16pm on 01 Mar 2010, Muzammil Whosane wrote:

    It was right nasty to see Ramsey's leg the way it was....and i'm glad that it wasn't shown again on live tv.
    I hope the lad recovers really soon...im also sympathetic towards Shawcross...the lad must've been shattered after that and im sure he wasn't too concerned about getting sent off.

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  • 3. At 2:18pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    i know that old man can be annoying most of the time but what exactly did you not like in Wenger's post match talk to the press this time?

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  • 4. At 2:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, Kermit69 wrote:

    No great surprise about the cup final result & no surprise that Owen is injured again, he spends more time on treatment table than playing football, he is more highly strung than his racehorses.

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  • 5. At 2:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    don't usually praise you, Robbo (or anyone for that matter) but "he fell like a picnic blanket in a breeze" was a quality turn of phrase up there with the best and RBA.



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  • 6. At 2:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, LABSAB9 wrote:

    Rafas comments on Allardyce were classic.

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  • 7. At 2:20pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Robbo... in future if you are going to post a picture of fergie could you please place a WARNING a couple of paragraphs earlier just so the kiddies that view your blog will know and not get a such a fright.... cheers mate.

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  • 8. At 2:20pm on 01 Mar 2010, Tom Halstead wrote:

    Robbo - I would like your opinión on this as well as the opinions of the boys. Ramsey’s injury was absolutely horrific and as we all know not the first time it has happened to an Arsenal player – 3 times in 5 years is no coincidence. Much of the post-game analysis has been about who is to blame with many blaming Stoke tactics and Shawcross himself whilst others defend them and say it is just part of the game and it was unlucky. I would like to aim the blaming stick at…YOU! At you, at me, at us the British public!

    For too long we have not just allowed, but actually promoted this type of play with the thinly-veiled defence that “getting stuck in” is somehow British and, by proxy, good! We bemoan the Spanish/Italians for being nancies who roll around at the first touch whereas we are more upstanding because we go in hard and dangerous, yet somehow the word dangerous gets swapped for courageous in the British mentality. Yet the ‘diver’ card does not work anymore – in the past we have defended the hard tackles because we don’t want to become like the Spanish, etc. but who are the worst divers in the Prem at the moment? Answer: Rooney and Gerrard. So the hard tackles are not stopping diving in anyway from entering the British game.

    Therefore, there must be something done to stop this. It is no coincidence that the three players who gave Diaby, Eduardo and Ramsey their injuries are British: Dan Smith, Taylor, Shawcross as are the three managers of their teams: Kevin Ball, Alex McLeish and Tony Pulis.

    It is therefore a British problem, a problem with our approach to the game and how we play football. And so it is up to us to change it, up to us to show we will not accept this as part of the British game anymore. Also, let us not forget the improvement it would have on our viewing pleasure – if we look at the 20 0-0 draws this season, the most come from Allardyce’s Blackburn followed by Birmingham, Stoke, West Ham, Hull – surprised? I don’t think so!

    We must stop this type of football – it’s just not British!

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  • 9. At 2:20pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    Although you have to say Terry's hairdresser had already set out to make the skipper look foolish. Why do lads these days go for a haircut that makes 'em look like Beaker from the Muppets?

    Commenting on the haircuts should be left to someone a little less 'spade a spade', maybe? Don't see how not lowering themselves to Churchill Allardyce's level constitutes meekness, but i'm not from the north.

    Seriously though, agree on Shawcross. Horrible luck for Ramsey. Also reckon Terry and Rio are both only in the England squad on reputation.

    "How Nemanja Vidic was still on the pitch is beyond me, mind. Maybe Dowd was dogged by previous comments from the beknighted one,"

    Why did you bother with the 'maybe'? Or are you getting modded now? It's the JT issues all over again.

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  • 10. At 2:21pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Easy Del... Nice little read, although quite how you have igored the play off battle down in league two is beyond me!

    Also, Chelsa have Turnbull from your lot don't they??? I suspect he'll get the tip now... Hilario is still playing through the merit of that one good game against barca after the reading butcher job acouple seasons back on Cech and Cuddicini...

    Anyway a good read mate...

    Oh and your boys were mean to QPR at the weekend, have you and charlsie had a scrap yet? (gotta feel sorry for them poor old super hoops)

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  • 11. At 2:21pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    The thought of Terry and Bridge training together this week ,under the hawkish eye of every man, woman and child with a 2-pixel camera in their phone, was just a bit much to bear
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    Blimey Robbo a "2-pixel camera"? That's some mighty advanced technology you've got up north. Down in the south we have to make do with 12 or even 15 mega-pixel cameras. Next thing you'll be telling us you've got running water and electricity.

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  • 12. At 2:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, JacksfromBuxton wrote:

    Vidic should have gone.Straight red.However,the pressure applied to referees these days by managers makes it a nigh on impossible job.Hope Ramsey makes a full and fit recovery.

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  • 13. At 2:23pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:

    Afternoon Robbo:

    Not going to criticise Cashely as I've benefited dramatically from it.

    Terry's been mistiming a lot of things in recent matches but he got the timing perfect on the missing handshake.

    Terry's form of late has been very poor ever since the Everton defeat where he got caught out by the impressive, and injury free (miraculious) Louis Saha. Personally I feel Bridge made the correct decision to refuse Terry's handshake, - even though even Terry didn't look confident he was going to get one. You can't go waving goodbye to your England career, and then shake the guy's hand that that decision was based around - he claims. That would have been very contradictory so fair play to Bridge.

    I don't agree with John Terry very often - even more so of late (I find myself looking for excuses to dislike him even more), but Craig Bellamy criticising people is pretty rich. Talk about the blind teaching the socially-inept.

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  • 14. At 2:24pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    I don't see how Terry was humiliated by the non-shake myself.

    The handshake is now in the pre-match custom as part of the fair play initiative isn't it? Therefore, Bridge should have been the bigger man and acted professionally.

    It wasn't Bridge's fault that he got dragged into this whole story but he is now acting like a victim.

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  • 15. At 2:24pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Maybe Terry's hairdresser was a friend of Bridge's?

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  • 16. At 2:26pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

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  • 17. At 2:27pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #8 Tom Halstead

    as we all know not the first time it has happened to an Arsenal player – 3 times in 5 years is no coincidence
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    I just don't understand that comment. Can you explain please?

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  • 18. At 2:27pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    8. At 2:20pm on 01 Mar 2010, Tom Halstead wrote:
    "who are the worst divers in the Prem at the moment? Answer: Rooney and Gerrard."

    Oh, Tom, I was with you up to then!

    Aside from that, i think you're forgetting how the likes of Puyol hit players when they tackle. But you'll also note that most of these challenges come from younger players who haven't yet learned that judgement and are still eager to show they're hunger.

    Shawcross has been excellent all season, but when you're that kind of player and its that close a 50:50 there's always a risk - hence the red card.

    You're right, plenty of the blame needs to lie with the managers, but there are many players who get away with such fouls without injuring the other player. The first hard tacklers who jump to mind are Mascherano, Carragher and Terry, all of whom run that line and generally stay the right side of it.

    Maybe Wenger, along with his preference for a passing game, encourages a misunderstood bravery in such challenges, wanting his delicates to stand firm rather than getting a proper tackler in.

    It is curious, and alarming for the players. But you can't suggest that Allardice actually asks his players to try and injure the other player - the players would revolt for a start.

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  • 19. At 2:28pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    3. At 2:18pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:
    i know that old man can be annoying most of the time but what exactly did you not like in Wenger's post match talk to the press this time?

    what Tom said, really I.E:

    Ramsey’s injury was absolutely horrific and as we all know not the first time it has happened to an Arsenal player – 3 times in 5 years is no coincidence.

    YES IT IS, STOP WHINING... West Ham aren't, no-one cried about Rory Delap, or Luc Nilis, but when it happens to an Arsenal player it's a big conspiracy. Shawcross and Taylor could justifiably sue Wenger for defamation.

    The fact is even great footballing teams have strong players, Marquez and Toure at Barca, Vieira formerly at Arsenal, Dunga, Mascherano (sic), Diarra at Real and so on, but Arsene doesn't have one.

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  • 20. At 2:29pm on 01 Mar 2010, lesjar wrote:

    Lovely picture, the lack of eye-contact and facial expression from John Terry says it all. He should have risen to th eoccasion and stood there smiled and looked Wayne in the eye rather than take the hump and look the other way. It shows a look that he has become dis-interested in football , again it was showing with his frustration on the pitch. Just look at the moment he had some ARGY-BARGY with Tevez when he puffed up his chest like some agitated chimpanzee. The game got to him and as such Chelsea got what they deserved.

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  • 21. At 2:30pm on 01 Mar 2010, Tom Halstead wrote:

    For your perusal here are the reactions after each of the 3 horror tackles (Diaby, Eduardo, Ramsey) See a connection? Sometimes, and I agree, Wenger moans too much, but on this the man has a point. And a clear one at that.

    Wenger after Diaby tackle:
    "When you play football and you play against people who do not try to play, it's very difficult to take.
    "An accident can happen and you will accept that, but the way this happened is not acceptable.
    "On one side, I'm very happy with the players and the way they played, but on the other hand it's sad because you can see players can damage their career just because some people are on the pitch and do not even try to play football.
    "It goes with the idea that to stop Arsenal you have to kick Arsenal and that kind of thing was waiting to happen," he said.

    Wenger after Eduardo tackle:
    "Many people have got away with too many bad tackles. We've escaped a few times but it's just not acceptable. If that is football it's better to stop it.
    "The worst thing you hear after is that 'he's not the kind of guy who usually does that', but you need to only kill one person one time - it's enough."

    Birmingham statement after Eduardo tackle:
    "Martin Taylor is adamant there was no malicious intent in the tackle and he is deeply upset by the extent of Eduardo's injury.
    "Having reviewed the incident, this (no malicious intent) is clearly the case. The club and Martin Taylor would like to send their very best wishes to the player for a speedy recovery."

    Wenger after Ramsey tackle:
    "I'm not very happy with the tackle. I just want to say we know what we are expecting, a battle everywhere, but we have now lost three players - (Abou) Diaby, Eduardo and Ramsey today, a boy of 19 years old - on horrendous tackles.
    "It's always coincidence. I don't believe in coincidence when you are hit as many times as we do.
    "We know what it is always to be physical against Arsenal and what questions I get in press conferences we don't fancy the physical side of it, that's what the result is."

    Stoke statement after Ramsey tackle:
    "Stoke City would like to send their best wishes to Aaron Ramsey and Arsenal Football Club."
    They added: "The club do, however, wish to make it quite clear that there was absolutely no malice in the challenge from Ryan Shawcross which caused the injury."

    Nuff said!

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  • 22. At 2:31pm on 01 Mar 2010, Aljanon wrote:

    Yet another brilliant blog, Robbo. I'm a Liverpool supporter but I'm still bemused by Rafa's post-match comments, which are as inane as his one-liners on the LFC website. However, they're still more entertaining than watching the Reds play at the moment...

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  • 23. At 2:31pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    I don't agree with John Terry very often - even more so of late (I find myself looking for excuses to dislike him even more), but Craig Bellamy criticising people is pretty rich. Talk about the blind teaching the socially-inept.

    you should do a bit more research about this. he may be combative, but if you read up you'll see Bellamy is 10 times the man Terry is, and massively generous to charity.

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  • 24. At 2:31pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    The usual suspect:
    ""Maybe Dowd was dogged by previous comments from the beknighted one,"
    Why did you bother with the 'maybe'? Or are you getting modded now? It's the JT issues all over again."

    Blame the person who's fault it was, rather than the person you want to blame. Dowd made the decision, and got half of it wrong. Even if it can be explained (as Poll has) it is the benchmark for inconsistency.

    But do you think Dowd would agree that he was influenced or pressured by Sir Alex, against whose he's given a number of recent red cards? he's hardly prone to favouritism, just poor refereeing. So follow Occams Razor and point the finger where its due.

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  • 25. At 2:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:


    Moment of the weekend Ferguson singing along to Wembley and saluting the crowd with a clenched fist. Trademark Ferguson.

    Often criticised for his celebration techniques it seems even Ferguson can't be good at everything. Although after 32 trophies in 24 years he has no excuse!

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  • 26. At 2:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    23 is for Jamie Riley

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  • 27. At 2:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, SouthernFairy wrote:

    Wenger has calculated the risk of playing weak midfield players and has allowed for this by signing roughly 20 of them...

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  • 28. At 2:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    MBB. what tom is saying is that arsenal are victimised because they paly real football and all of the other 91 teams in the football leagues are jealous doody heads!

    Arsenal are a precious little flower being trampled on by thugs!

    How long untill someone in an arsenal shirt is murdered!?

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  • 29. At 2:34pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    "20. At 2:29pm on 01 Mar 2010, lesjar wrote:
    Lovely picture, the lack of eye-contact and facial expression from John Terry says it all. He should have risen to th eoccasion and stood there smiled and looked Wayne in the eye rather than take the hump and look the other way."

    My preferred option was that Bridge would just chin or headbutt Terry and then walk off the pitch. Would have been utterly marvellous, but they probably took the better option and the deserved 3 points.

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  • 30. At 2:34pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #21 Tom Halstead

    No, Wenger doesn't have a point unless he is of the opinion that other players are going out to injure Arsenal players.

    (By the way, as a Chelsea fan I remember the career ending injuries that Casiraghi and Di Matteo suffered.)

    Wenger is unhappy but I'm afraid he is looking for someone to blame when I don't think there is anybody.

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  • 31. At 2:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, rastafairy wrote:

    People who live in glass houses shouldn't go around "sorting out" other people's (ex) wives or girlfriends.

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  • 32. At 2:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Bridge was smart not to go to shake terry hand, as i have it on good authority that terry was gonna move his hand away and pull a "nah na nah na nah, i naged your mrs face"...

    Well avoided Bridge my boy!

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  • 33. At 2:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    31, if you haev stained glass or tinted windows i dont see problem with this...

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  • 34. At 2:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #33 RBA

    I heard he was going to play a game of smell my fingers....

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  • 35. At 2:37pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    21. At 2:30pm on 01 Mar 2010, Tom Halstead wrote:

    what do you mean, nuff said. All you've proved is that Wenger tries to turn an accident into future favour from refs by blaming people for their part in an unitentional injury. Plus, 'football' includes tackling too, doesn't it?

    Gen, Robbo wrote it, i agreed, that's all there is to it. If you disagree then fine. You would, as everyone here knows.

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  • 36. At 2:37pm on 01 Mar 2010, StourBlue wrote:

    The Carling Cup final got the result no one outside Cornwall wanted. Another United win.

    You're forgetting the half of Birmingham that were more than happy with United's victory.

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  • 37. At 2:37pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    People in glasses houses should still keep thier tomatoes wrapped up, the risk of early morning frost could ruin your crop before its even started this spring!

    Go Gardening!

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  • 38. At 2:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, Tom Halstead wrote:


    18. At 2:27pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:
    But you can't suggest that Allardice actually asks his players to try and injure the other player - the players would revolt for a start.
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    Add a bit of spin and yea I will say that - he doesnt say injure them, he says "hit 'em hard" "stick/leave your leg in" or something like that - just as bad!

    Mr Blue Burns - 3 times in 5 years is the number of horrific injuries to Arsenal players - Diaby, Eduardo and Ramsey

    Recommunicated - nonsense!! You point at Marquez and Toure at Barca - ok then how about Song, Diaby, Campbell, Gallas?

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  • 39. At 2:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, stuspurs wrote:

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  • 40. At 2:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, SouthernFairy wrote:

    36. At 2:37pm on 01 Mar 2010, StourBlue wrote:
    The Carling Cup final got the result no one outside Cornwall wanted. Another United win.

    You're forgetting the half of Birmingham that were more than happy with United's victory.

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    And Guilford...

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  • 41. At 2:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    28. At 2:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote

    always says it better than i can, although MBB is right too.

    31. At 2:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, rastafairy5 wrote:
    People who live in glass houses shouldn't go around "sorting out" other people's (ex) wives or girlfriends.

    People with no moral standards, ethical values or class shouldn't be given a platform. Bellamy on the other hand is entitled to an opinion.

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  • 42. At 2:40pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #38 Tom Halstead

    I understand the statistic. What I don't understand is the talk of 'no coincidence', a phrase that Wenger also used.

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  • 43. At 2:41pm on 01 Mar 2010, Clartmaster wrote:

    I think Hilario will keep his place, for the sole reason that Turnbull is simply not a footballer. We had him for a Season at Cardiff and he ws absolutely useless. I'm pretty sure Chelski only bought him because of the '6+5' ruling.

    Although saying that, can we have him back at Cardiff please? Did you see Enkleman kick the floor on Saturday and gift Preston a goal? I know they say lightning never strikes twice so this guy must be a lightning conductor!

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  • 44. At 2:42pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:


    Re-communicated wrote:

    you should do a bit more research about this. he may be combative, but if you read up you'll see Bellamy is 10 times the man Terry is, and massively generous to charity.

    Your right pal. I am judging Bellamy solely on his behaviour and attitide on the football pitch, - which I hope you agree isn't the best. Perhaps he isn't such a nasty fellow even on the pitch, and is just very passionate about playing football. He isn't alone, but his language towards fellow players, and referees is at times disgusting, he is also a petulant little beggar who likes to provoke a reaction. Nonetheless a good player for City, which is most important from your point of view, - I presume your a City fan re-communicated.

    I will do a bit of research later regarding the topic and get back to you.

    Thanks mate.

    Thanks mate.

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  • 45. At 2:42pm on 01 Mar 2010, Tom Halstead wrote:

    35. At 2:37pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    what do you mean, nuff said. All you've proved is that Wenger tries to turn an accident into future favour from refs by blaming people for their part in an unitentional injury. Plus, 'football' includes tackling too, doesn't it?
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    Read what I said in my first post - the point is is that players go to hurt Arsenal when they play them as that is the only way they think they have a chance and it leads inevitably to tragedies such as Ramsey. Tackling yes, intent to hurt (although no intention to injure) no thank you.

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  • 46. At 2:43pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    All those insisting that Arsenal have no right to feel angry please answer this.


    Mr. bloody Shawcross will be suspended for 3 games but so will Song for doing nothing wrong at all to get his yellow.

    Shawcross went hard for the tackle and even though he did not intend to break a fellow player's leg, he ended up doing so any way. Just as in a driving accident, you may not INTEND to cause an accident but negligence is still culpable. He was really petrified at what he had done and it appears he felt immediate remorse for his part in the injury.

    If Shawcross felt bad at it, how hard is it for you lot who are concerned neither with Arsenal nor Stoke to look at it in a similar light?

    How shamefully un human do you have to be to make guilty of a person that has just been the victim of a tragedy?

    This reminds me of that idiot, moronic (for the lack of allowance to use harder swear words for him) Pat Buchanan who said the people of Haiti got what they deserved in the earthquake as it was a just retribution from Jesus (other made up deities are available) for making a deal with the devil some centuries ago.

    Is there some truth to the suggestion that managers instruct théir teams to get tough against Arsenal?
    I bet there is and some of them are even on record.

    Oh, and Wenger does not want all to play to HIS rules. Kicking an opposition player IS against the rules. He wants the FA to finally grow a pair and enforce them.

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  • 47. At 2:45pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Its a conspiracy...5 years, 3 players, 6 legs, 3 broken, 1 team, 0 trophies...

    536310... just happens to be fergies home phone number, but no, i'm sure its all just a coincidence!

    You poor gullable fools...

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  • 48. At 2:45pm on 01 Mar 2010, Tom Halstead wrote:

    39. At 2:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, stuspurs wrote:
    @8 - Are you Spanish by any chance? Or italian? Or Argentinian? Or are you just from Portsmouth so have got not one ounce of fight in you? Going in hard is, always has and always will be part of the game in Britain!! Can you imagine an Old Firm derby or a North London derby with no tackling? It'd be like watching France play Handball!!
    Maybe the reason the Ars***l have had three injuries like this is because nancy boy Wenger only plays with boys, no men in his team to take a tackle!!
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    1) I am British. And proud.
    2) Diaby and Ramsey are both well over 6 feet tall and neither is a nancy boy. Had these injuries happened to Rosicky, Nasri, Denilson, Walcott, Arshavin I would understand and potentially agree. But the facts do not support your case.

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  • 49. At 2:48pm on 01 Mar 2010, Brian Renshaw wrote:

    Chelsea embarassed and put to the sword by a Man City team who didn't have to break sweat to score 4 and who should have had at least 5 and maybe 6.

    Terry totally humiliated and embarassed in front of millions. Bridge played him like a violin whilst Chelsea's lesser bright supporters booed without purpose or reason to try and vindicate their exposed skipper.

    What a glorious day Robbo. When City realised that Chelsea were far from impressive and that Terry's head like his form had gone to the Dogs, they upped a gear and blew them away.

    Justice for Team Bridge and team Chelsea would be well advised to give Terry a spell out of the limelight as his form is extremely poor.

    Loved the Terry/Tevez confrontation and the Terry/Bellamy one.Then again isn't Terry at odds with eeverybody currently?

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  • 50. At 2:49pm on 01 Mar 2010, lesjar wrote:

    Regarding the Vidic incident The law states dismissal is for - denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving
    towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
    penalty kick. As the goal keeper was still close to his line it was not therefore an obvious goal-scoring opportunity. It was not a vicious tackle and it being thus teh first offence then a penalty kick is probably the best decision that was available at the time.

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  • 51. At 2:49pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    YES IT IS, STOP WHINING... West Ham aren't, no-one cried about Rory Delap, or Luc Nilis, but when it happens to an Arsenal player it's a big conspiracy. Shawcross and Taylor could justifiably sue Wenger for defamation.
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    I am sure Mr. Pulis and Mr. Allardyce could be prosecuted on terrorism charges on inciting violence against a group.

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  • 52. At 2:49pm on 01 Mar 2010, Tom Halstead wrote:

    Spit - wise words my friend! And for food for thought: should Stoke have to pay Ramsey's wages during the time he is injured? In a car crash the liable driver must pay for the costs incurred to the victim so why not in football? This might make managers think again before telling his team to 'play hard'.

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  • 53. At 2:49pm on 01 Mar 2010, HarlequinDeath wrote:

    "you should do a bit more research about this. he may be combative, but if you read up you'll see Bellamy is 10 times the man Terry is, and massively generous to charity."

    Uh-huh ... just a shame he seems to be continually having to defend himself on charges of assaulting women. Clearly a salt of the earth type, our Craig.

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  • 54. At 2:50pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #46 Spitfire

    Arsenal can feel whatever they want but if they mean to say that Shawcross went out to seriously injure one of their players they should just say so.

    If they don't mean that, or don't have the facts to back it up or the balls to say it, they should stop insinuations or allusions to that.

    It was bloody horrible, but unlucky and to suggest otherwise may well detract from the sympathy that most right thinking people have for the player concerned.

    (p.s there are other opinions available)

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  • 55. At 2:50pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    Recommunicated - nonsense!! You point at Marquez and Toure at Barca - ok then how about Song, Diaby, Campbell, Gallas?

    what about them? Campbell and Gallas are petulant, not tough. Jeez, Sol walked away from a game in tears once, and Gallas sulks, and that's it. The other two are good players, but not strong like those mentioned.

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  • 56. At 2:51pm on 01 Mar 2010, TwoWardrobes wrote:

    The whole Vidic thing is that common sense vs the rule book thing. If he had been sent off and Villa were one goal and one man up with still another 90 minutes to play (including injury time) then Dowd would have been criticised for not using common sense and ruining the spectacle. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I think Vidic was also assisted by Agbonlahor's ropey touch which let him get side on to him. Dare I say it though ... if the teams roles had been reversed, it was a Villa foul and United penalty, it would hardly have had a mention (just putting that out there).


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  • 57. At 2:51pm on 01 Mar 2010, saysitasheseesit wrote:

    My two-penneth:

    Wenger should stop whining, it IS coincidence and if, by miracle it isn't, and there is a connection between teams 'getting in his face' and horror challenges, then maybe, just maybe bleeting all the time and throwing his toys out of the pram is probably compounding the issue. As they havent won anything in five years, perhaps they'd do better to buy a couple of Viera/Keane types and dish it out a bit. No one goes to boot Man Utd or Chelsea off the pitch and they seem to be pretty successful.

    Craig Bellamy questioning someone elses morals!??!?! REALLY??? What's next?! - Monkey Tennis?

    Wayne Bridge, well done for not shaking Terry's hand. Tho I couldnt rally care and would have found it amusing if Terry wouldnt have offered him his hand a perhaps blown a kiss. FIIIIIGGGGHHHHHTTTTT!
    Not so well done for pulling out the England squad and making out it was in the best interest of everyone. Fact of the matter: because of some bird and a pretty awful friend & ex-colleague you're now turning your back on the country. Not sure how that works myself.

    Joe Cole being left out of the England squad?!?! - BONKERS!

    Villa/Man Utd.. YES Vidic should have been sent off, however, real-english translation "awww snot fair, we can only beat ManYoo when they have less players AND we'll a goals lead." Fair enough moaning if your a man down for a bad decision, but if you cant beat a team 11 against 11 then you dont deserve to win, however much a man down they should be.

    All of course, IMHO obviously. ;o)



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  • 58. At 2:53pm on 01 Mar 2010, guyastral wrote:

    "As for Bridge, quite why the Chelsea regulars were booing the lad is beyond me"

    what can you expect from Chelsea fans! grace!?

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  • 59. At 2:53pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #52 Tom Halstead

    You seem to be acting like you personally have been affected by this, which I doubt you have.

    If you're point is serious, then the answer is that it is likely that Arsenal and their players carry insurance for just such a horrible scenario.

    If you're not being serious......

    #49 Brian Renshaw

    Every statistic about the Chelsea Man City game put Chelsea ahead other than the only one that matters, namely, who scored the most goals. Chelsea contributed to their own downfall and Man City have benefited from it. I wouldn't read too much more than that into it.

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  • 60. At 2:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, lesjar wrote:

    Before anyone comments he should have had a yellow card at least. Yellow card decisions are based on various factors, a foul which caused no ijury which was your first foul probably did not warrant enough to be cautioned according to the laws of the game. We should also remember that it is the interpretation and application of the laws that has to be considered in all contentious issues. Rather than stating that Vidic should have been given a straight red card it might make some sense to actually read the laws of the game and not listen to what you think the laws are.

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  • 61. At 2:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, The Importance of Being Didier wrote:

    Nice one Robbo, best blog of the year. From ANY of the BBC boys.

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  • 62. At 2:55pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    54. At 2:50pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
    #46 Spitfire

    It was bloody horrible, but unlucky and to suggest otherwise may well detract from the sympathy that most right thinking people have for the player concerned.

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    If I were driving 100 in a 30 zone, it would be lucky NOT to have anyone injured and not the other way around.

    I am sure Ramsey does not care for your sympathy as it is clear you have it in far greater amount for Shawcross, the poor sod, who will have to 'get over it' before he decides it is O.K. to go out to break a fellow player's leg a third time.

    Good thing he is young though. And English. He will be given plenty of chances.

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  • 63. At 2:56pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    61. At 2:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, The Importance of Being Didier wrote:
    Nice one Robbo, best blog of the year. From ANY of the BBC boys.


    YOu've never read Phil McNulty clearly!










    Robbo, stop logging in under different user names!

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  • 64. At 2:56pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    57. At 2:51pm on 01 Mar 2010, saysitasheseesit wrote:
    My two-penneth:
    Craig Bellamy questioning someone elses morals!??!?! REALLY??? What's next?! - Monkey Tennis?
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    "Monkey-boy" tennis. Isn't that something Jacks and Adam (?) have been discussing?

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  • 65. At 2:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #62 Spitfire

    Poor analogy. Speed doesn't cause accidents. The idea that it does undermines the Police's campaign for safe driving since it is based on a mis-truth.

    Anyway, as I said earlier, having seen the career's of Di Matteo and Casiraghi ended on the pitch, I have a great deal of sympathy for Ramsey. However, to victimise Shawcross for what looks to be like a genuine midjusdgement is just wrong and Wenger's comments do not help.

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  • 66. At 2:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, mr-cammy wrote:


    We must stop this type of football – it’s just not British!

    --

    Most people in Britain are though. And it's a British sport. These sort of accidents are unfortunate and they do happen - it's a contact sport after all.

    There was a goalie that died during an Old Firm derby years ago, it was a tragic accident and as such no rules were changed.

    Best of luck to Ramsey.

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  • 67. At 2:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Spits, i dont get you at tfirst you criticide the lad Shawcross then you go on to say "Shawcross, the poor sod, who will have to 'get over it' before he decides it is O.K. to go out to break a fellow player's leg a third time. Good thing he is young though. And English. He will be given plenty of chances."

    Make your mind up!

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  • 68. At 2:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, mambo wrote:

    I have a certain sympathy for Shawcross too, although if he had not made the foul challenge he would not have to feel bad.
    My sympathy for him is more for his situation, he is contracted to play in the manner his boss has told him to, but it is he who has to carry the weight of the conscience of his actions, his boss just tells us all what a nice young man he is and wanders off without a twinge of guilt.

    Stoke set out, as some teams do, to bully footballing sides like Arsenal. Youngsters like Shawcross sometimes get carried away with the task and this type of incident is the result...

    We all know the sides and managers responsible for the thuggish behaviour, they, the managers, are the people that really should be taking the heat for dragging the beautiful game into the gutter.


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  • 69. At 3:00pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    If Ramsey didn't want his legs broken he should have played in forrest gump style callipors...

    I blame wenger for not issuing them to all staff!

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  • 70. At 3:01pm on 01 Mar 2010, richard crisford wrote:

    #38 stuspurs
    obviously a lillywhite. you'll have to let me know when spurs "showed some fight" in a NLD, since they haven't won one in the league since 1999.
    also, shawcross is a defender of alledged talent, but his tackle can at best only be described as reckless. the moment your foot leaves the ground you lose control and at that pace disaster is inevitable.
    these 'tackles' are not tolerated abroad for this reason, due to the tacklers lack of control. and wenger is right and has stated on numerous occasions that this outcome was innevitable given the way certain teams play against arsenal, started by bolton and continued by all those other charming, mostly northern, sides full of such talented individuals.

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  • 71. At 3:01pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    44. At 2:42pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:

    no, liverpool fan, and i agree about his on-the-pitch behaviour. But how you are to your family and loved ones is more important to me. I don't have any love for Bellamy, but i can't ignore his good work just because he's a chav. like i can't ignore Gerrard being a chav because he's a great player.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/27/craig-bellamy-manchester-city

    Arsenal fans sound so paranoid, it's quite funny. You're the victim, yes. There there.

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  • 72. At 3:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    65. At 2:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
    #62 Spitfire

    Poor analogy. Speed doesn't cause accidents. The idea that it does undermines the Police's campaign for safe driving since it is based on a mis-truth.
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    I have driven 160 mph (legally) and it is true it doesnt cause accidents.
    But that was on an Autobahn.

    Driving 100 in a 30 Zone is criminal and is not based on any mis-truth.

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  • 73. At 3:03pm on 01 Mar 2010, Webb of Deceit - Not606 when 606 shuts wrote:

    "Oh, and Wenger does not want all to play to HIS rules. Kicking an opposition player IS against the rules. He wants the FA to finally grow a pair and enforce them."

    Good idea

    Let's start with all the incidents where Arsenal players committed a foul and Wenger "didn't see it".

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  • 74. At 3:04pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #72 Spitfire

    Well, sounds like you had fun in Germany. However, my point stands that it is a poor analogy. Speed does not cause accidents. Tackling does not cause injuries. Bad luck did though in this example.

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  • 75. At 3:06pm on 01 Mar 2010, saysitasheseesit wrote:

    STILL my two penneth;

    Re poor old Ramsey...

    Has anyone saw that picture took just before the impact!? Ramsey's leg is at an odd angle and appears to be bending/buckling already!?

    Shawcross didnt go in with his studs, he appears to make contact with Ramsey with his boot laces.

    Now I'm not for a second stating that as an example of it being acceptable OR not a foul, but I am saying that I personally think its a VERY freak incident.
    If you asked a mate to stand still whilst you kicked his leg like ball, whilst it would bleeding hurt him, you'd have to seriously be going some to break his leg IN HALF like Ramseys.

    Also, all this 'scandal' takes something away from poor old Ramsey. Hope the lads alright and gets back soon.

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  • 76. At 3:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    mmm wafer thin mint tasty

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  • 77. At 3:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Well hello all. Another horrible day at college so I am in dire need of something to cheer me up.

    Needless to say Robbo's blog and comments have once again provided. This time with the bleatings of those brainwashed Gooners.

    Seriously if Arsenal have no money to spend I suggest they register as a religious organisation and therefore avoid paying tax. After all Mr. Wenger does seem to view himself as some sort of God and the reasoning of his followers can only be described as religious. ie Nonsensical and unchangeable in the face of facts or logic.

    For all the 'poor us' Arsenal brigade who seem to be using the statistic of 3 of their players breaking bones to put forward the theory that everyone wants to kill them, I give you this real statistic...

    In the history of The Premier League there is a disciplinary table logging how many yellow and red cards each team has got. One team has consistently been and remains at the bottom of this table, currently with 968 yellows and 54 reds (giving them a total of 68 more than their nearest rivals). Who is this team, this paragon of virtue and fair play? None other than those 'beautiful footballers' from North London, aka The Gooners.

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  • 78. At 3:08pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    60. At 2:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, lesjar wrote:

    it was a red card. how can you argue this? seriously, a professional foul, last man. rules are simple.

    Spit - it was just an accident. Don't try and turn it into something else. It isn't just Arsenal.

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  • 79. At 3:08pm on 01 Mar 2010, richard crisford wrote:

    #73
    when did vieira, or petit, or keown or any other arsenal player ever break an opponents leg, or injure them so severly they missed 6months or more?
    never. so stop talking b###ocks.

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  • 80. At 3:09pm on 01 Mar 2010, Charlie8126 wrote:

    Good blog - I was very interested to do some 'research' re Craig Bellamy and charity after reading the unequivocal opinion of the guy who commented at #23 "Re-communicated".

    So...I did some research and managed (very quickly) to find an article that, just by reading the web address, I think you'll agree, does not bode too well for suggesting CB is a good man...

    http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/index.php/2008/06/16/craig-bellamy-beat-up-a-charity-worker-in-sierra-leone

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  • 81. At 3:10pm on 01 Mar 2010, rastafairy wrote:

    Fair play to Tony Pulis - seemed genuinely remorseful and more concerned about the injury than the loss.
    It may be bad luck, Arsenal's style of play or whatever but the general consensus of "Arsenal don't like it up 'em" has this as the consequence.

    Name me one team or even one single player who does like having their leg snapped in half. Take your time...
    (Note I did not ask you to name one player whose leg you would like to break!)

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  • 82. At 3:10pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Oh, I almost forgot...

    United won another trophy!

    Is it getting boring now?

    Not on your life!!!

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  • 83. At 3:11pm on 01 Mar 2010, Cyril wrote:

    "There's a wafer-thin mint between the top three, a fag paper between the next four, and the thickness of a butterfly's wing between 13th and 19th. Who's complaining"

    I enjoyed that.

    The Premier League really is one of the best there has ever been.

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  • 84. At 3:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    Gaz and others accusing Arsenal fans for the 'victim mentality.

    There seems to be a lot of sympathy round for Ryan Shawcross, not least inspired by his tears. I have no sympathy for Shawcross, or Pulis, or Stoke, or indeed the ref. I do have immense sympathy for Aaron Ramsey who did nothing to deserve such a serious blow to his career (or indeed his leg).

    Some Stoke fans on Saturday applauded the young man being taken off on a stretcher - while others, unbelievably, booed and chanted "you've only got one leg". Appalling and disgusting, and a disgrace to the name of Stoke. For those Stoke fans who applauded Ramsey, I thank you.

    I feel that as a football fan, you should not put your team above honour, respect, and most of all common human decency.

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  • 85. At 3:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Interesting facts and figures...........

    http://www.myfootballfacts.com/PremierLeagueDiscipline1992-93to2009-10.html

    Arsenal it would seem aren't all angels and nancy boys.

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  • 86. At 3:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:

    71 - Re-communicated:

    Thanks for the finding the attachment, it made for interesting reading.

    'like i can't ignore Gerrard being a chav because he's a great player'.

    I will still just about agree with you, but I think it is time to admit he is starting to slide down the slippery slope. Yes he's been injured but he is simply not the player he was, and does no longer look a 'world-beater' and like he can do it on his own (well he does have Torres) and that's with the likes of Lucas and Insua playing with him, - who make most players look good.

    I have a feeling you won't agree with that.

    This is sure to spark debate, I actually think Darren Fletcher is better than Gerrard now - certainly more effective, although I concede they are different types of players so making a comparision is difficult.

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  • 87. At 3:13pm on 01 Mar 2010, lesjar wrote:

    Regarding VIDIC please read page 122 of official FIFA laws handbook.
    You will see that as shown below the law states 'whether to send off a player' meaning that it does not automatically mean a red card the decision rests with the referee.

    Referees should consider the following circumstances when deciding whether
    to send off a player for denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity:
    • the distance between the offence and the goal
    • the likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
    • the direction of the play
    • the location and number of defenders
    • the offence which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
    may be an offence that incurs a direct free kick or an indirect free kick

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  • 88. At 3:13pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    Villa/Man Utd.. YES Vidic should have been sent off, however, real-english translation "awww snot fair, we can only beat ManYoo when they have less players AND we'll a goals lead." Fair enough moaning if your a man down for a bad decision, but if you cant beat a team 11 against 11 then you dont deserve to win, however much a man down they should be.

    if you can't beat a team fairly then bring down the striker in the box?

    you know he should have gone, and you think if Villa had won after having a man spared a blatant red then Fergie would have stopped talking yet?

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  • 89. At 3:14pm on 01 Mar 2010, rastafairy wrote:

    To GazUtd nº 77.
    Quick quiz:

    One of those yellow cards to add to that list is the one that Song got on Saturday for:
    a) abosultely nothing
    b) snapping someones leg in half

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  • 90. At 3:16pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Spitfire no one is saying anything against what you said.

    A few years ago Alan Smith broke his leg and had his ambulance attacked. Does that mean we can go around saying there's a big conspiracy against United?

    What you and other Arsenal fans do not seem to be able to accept is that you are simply falling foul of bad luck. It happens to everyone, not just Arsenal. And Wenger is a master at brainwashig people into what he sees and forgetting about the rest.

    And I agree with what someone said earlier, if I was Shawcross or Pulis or Taylor today I would be consulting my solicitor with a view to suing Wenger.

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  • 91. At 3:16pm on 01 Mar 2010, leheadhoncho wrote:

    Oh John>>>

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTk2-3ymqI0

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  • 92. At 3:17pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    I have just gone through the facts, and a study from the university of nawf landan (bounds green campus) which measured the health of premiership players before and after they played Arsenal actually shows that a staggering 98% of footballers had better health after playing arsenal!

    Thats a fact!

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  • 93. At 3:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    89. At 3:14pm on 01 Mar 2010, rastafairy5 wrote:
    To GazUtd nº 77.
    Quick quiz:

    One of those yellow cards to add to that list is the one that Song got on Saturday for:
    a) abosultely nothing
    b) snapping someones leg in half


    ----------------


    There is a simple answer to your quiz....


    In the disciplinary tabler EVERY other team has had cards given when they shouldn't have been and vice-versa.

    The table is the same for everyone, no matter how many Arsenal fans think that everything is different for them.

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  • 94. At 3:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    FACKT: Most of the facts on offer are bullsheet.

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  • 95. At 3:20pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Tom,

    It´s happened 3 times in less then 4 years!!
    --
    Had to pop up, so I´m way behind, but for all those who are calling Wenger a winger, well he is normally but, this time he has a point. That challenge was reckless and the lesser teams play like that against us all the time.

    Tackling is part of the game, but there is a line.

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  • 96. At 3:20pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    RBA - I could add supporters to that study. I for one have had much better health after playing Arsenal this season.

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  • 97. At 3:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:

    RBA 92 - Also conincidentally comment 92, - did you try for that.

    So far no sarcastic comments from you regarding my relationship.

    That is an unbelievable piece of trivia, good work!

    Note: - Where do you find stats such as that from?

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  • 98. At 3:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    39. At 2:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, stuspurs wrote:
    @8 - Are you Spanish by any chance? Or italian? Or Argentinian? Or are you just from Portsmouth so have got not one ounce of fight in you? Going in hard is, always has and always will be part of the game in Britain!! Can you imagine an Old Firm derby or a North London derby with no tackling? It'd be like watching France play Handball!!
    Maybe the reason the Ars***l have had three injuries like this is because nancy boy Wenger only plays with boys, no men in his team to take a tackle!!
    /////
    Plank.

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  • 99. At 3:23pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    re 90 Gaz,

    I hope you off all people having read my ramblings on this blog at least would not accuse me of banging on about some conspiracy where people are out to get Arsenal. I know fully well why Arsenal havent won nowt and its fine by me.

    But are you seriously suggesting managers like Pulis dont instruct their players to go hard against Arsenal than they would against Chelsea?

    Because if it is true I am sure Pulis whould be equally fearful of a civil suit against him for reckless endangerment.

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  • 100. At 3:24pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    42. At 2:40pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
    #38 Tom Halstead

    I understand the statistic. What I don't understand is the talk of 'no coincidence', a phrase that Wenger also used.
    ///////
    Name another team that this has happened to 3 times in the last few years then?

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  • 101. At 3:24pm on 01 Mar 2010, twotwotwoone wrote:

    Rafa might be outspoken, but he is rarely wrong. You want "Facts" Everton are a small club....

    http://evertondirect.evertonfc.com/stores/everton/products/product_details.aspx?pid=73150

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  • 102. At 3:26pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #100 H2H

    Wenger and the poster have said that they have had this happen 3 times in the last two years and that it is no coincidence.

    I am still saying that I don't understand why they think it is no coincidence.

    Can you explain it for me then?

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  • 103. At 3:26pm on 01 Mar 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Hellfire, I think we can forgive Wenger being a tad over-emotional after this one. I would find it hard to pat Shawcross on the back, hand him a box of Kleenex and say 'on the plus side you're in the England squad'!
    We have to realise that Wenger, for all his brilliance as a coach, is a bit too stuck on being an artist, especially when a team like Stoke or Allardyce's Bolton set about nobbling his players.
    Horrible injuries like Ramsey's have happened for years and on just about every occasion it's down to a terrible misjudgement and nothing more sinister. (If you read a certain player's autobiography you'll find an exception to prove that rule).

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  • 104. At 3:26pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 105. At 3:27pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Jamie... Hows the Mrs??? Hope you had a good weekend, although it rained a lot ay! Although seeing as how you and her haven't left your head, i will imagine you remainded dry... (i'm just jealous, i wish i had an imaginary exfootballers wife and pop star as my imaginary girlfreind).

    And i get my facts from wengerpedia! (united fans, that isn't the joke i was going for, dont be sick).

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  • 106. At 3:29pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    Robbo,

    who the hell is Hellfire?

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  • 107. At 3:31pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Still way behind, but I posted this on the last blog, apologies to those who´ve read it before;

    1416. At 12:32pm on 28 Feb 2010, H2H wrote:
    Afternoon all.

    As mentioned last night I'm up to the giddy heights of 11th in the blog league (oooouuu)but that won't last, made a mistake in team selection and I think Bloggy may nick a victory today, would be funny if it happened, leaving me high up in the blog league yet pointless in the Super league. Must be how Pompey fans feel, you win, but you lose at the same time?

    Come to think about it, that win/lose feeling is what I felt yesterday too after the Stoke game, it was a massively important win, but the injury to young Aaron took the shine off it. In the cold light of day, and having watched a replay of the incident many times, I can not be angry or have ill feelings towards Shawcross, that could just as easily of been one of our players going in and I feel that the pitch also played a part in that injury, Aarons foot looked a little twisted before the damaging contact was made.

    However, I think it is unfair to criticise Wengers reaction, at the moment of his statements emotions would of been running high, he had just witnessed, for the third time in less than four years, one of his players being stretched off with a possible career ending injury. How was he suppossed to react?

    The physical aspect is part of the game and can't be taken out, but there is a line, and with us this line seemed to have been crossed. I don't want to act the "martyr" but name me another club who has suffered those kind of tackles/injuries so frequently? As I've said above I do not blame RS, but I do hold a grudge against the manager that sent him out to play that way. But it's not only their manager to blame, the media must take a large portion of the responsibility too. Over the last few years there has been a concencus that "Arsenal don't like it up 'em" and if "you kick 'em they don't like it", well tell me someone who does?
    It has been writen by many in the media that the only way to stop Arsenal playing is to rough them up and teams that do have been applauded, how can this be right?

    Why o why was there no replay in the live coverage, images broadcasted worldwide via Sky, of that tackle? Yet, according to many a similar tackle, by Gallas a few weeks ago was replayed from every concievable angle and with use of slow mo, super slow mo and all the latest tec' gadgets. Fair play to the BBC, MOTD did show a replay, but who are Sky to decide what the world should get to see or not when they are also guilty of perpetrating the "Arsenal don't like it up 'em" sentiment?

    While I'm on one, lets have a look at the punishments and consequences. RS recieved a straight red and will get an automatic 3 match ban. In the same game Song recieved a yellow card for... well, I don't really know? This means he will recieve a 2 match ban, one match less than RS. Which means that Arsenal will be missing Song and Ramsey from their midfield in the next few games, those that seem right?

    Still, I for one was proud of my team yesterday who although visably shaken managed to galvanise and fight for the victory which brought us to within three points of the league leaders after we once again were written off be all and sundry.

    Sorry for the long winded rant.....
    Back to my room please nurse.

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  • 108. At 3:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    1993: Ian Wright banned for three games after FA commission upheld charge that he had directed a punch at Tottenham's David Howells during game at White Hart Lane. Commission also fine George Graham £500 for improper remarks to referee Alf Bush after same match.

    1996: Arsenal players involved in half-time scuffle with Coventry players in the tunnel & Ian Wright smashes and badly breaks Coventry goalkeeper Steve Ogrizivic's nose

    2000: Patrick Vieira sent off twice in the space of 2 games for violent conduct.

    2001: Monkey Keown assault charge during a game with Leeds

    2003: Sex offender Goon – Goon youth team player Marcus Artry jailed for 9 years for sex attacks, inc on minors


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  • 109. At 3:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    46 Spit.

    Well said mate!!

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  • 110. At 3:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:


    In response to twotwotwoone:

    Rafa Benitez said (taken from the infamous Rafa rant).

    All managers need to know is that only Mr Ferguson can talk about the fixtures, can talk about referees and nothing happens.

    When Liverpool were comprehensively beaten by Portsmouth, benitez tried to blame the defeat - wrongly on the referee's decisions throughout the game stating sarcastically;

    'The referee got it perfect' trying to disguise the fact his team got outplayed by a team in on and off-field mayhem.

    Nothing happened about this comment.

    So that is not a fact!!!

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  • 111. At 3:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, Joe wrote:

    Personally I think Wayne Bridges needs to grow up and get over it....
    John Terry showed he was the bigger man on saturday!
    In all aspects of life personal business should be kept away from the work place...
    All footballers these days need to start setting examples to the younger generation.

    Good luck on ur road to recovery Ramsey

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  • 112. At 3:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Jamie, i just re-read my post concerning you alleged relationship with "cheryl" seems a bit mean...

    Soory mate, as an aldershot fan its hardly fair for me to criticise soem for being disillusioned...

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  • 113. At 3:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colinus wrote:

    Why does everyone think bad tackles and broken legs are uniquely British, or only happen to Arsenal? They have (unfortunately) been part of the game for ever. A quick root around down the back of the internet will uncover evidence of shocking tackles and injuries from any where that plays the game, from France, Denmark, Mexico, Spain, Germany, Brazil, take your pick.

    South American defenders are notoriously violent, and look how many World Cups and skillful players still come from there. The only difference between fouls in our league and over seas is we have to have this typically British introspective hand-wringing over every little thing some one does wrong. Give it a rest!

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  • 114. At 3:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, lee fett wrote:

    Wasn't it Wenger's own player Gallas who purpusefully gave Nani a good kicking two seasons ago for daring to do a few kick ups when United were cruising against them? Obviously he didn't hurt him too much but he intentionally went out to kick him and not go for the ball and Wenger had the audacity to come out and defend Gallas for that I believe his reasoning was that Nani deserved it for making fun of them. In another match Eboue was red carded for tackling Evra in the thigh. Let's not forget the season Vieira started with a couple of red cards as well.

    Arsenal are no angels, how can Wenger say now that something needs to be done to protect his team when over the past 10 years he's proclaimed to have missed practically every foul Arsenal have committed?

    Obviously it's sad what's happened to Ramsey but Shawcross didn't go in studs showing, didn't go over the ball and didn't go for the man. Unfortunately Ramsey got there a millisecond before him but that doesn't mean it was a dirty tackle. It just turned out worse but that's what happens sometimes in football.

    And as I've said in another article on 606, a couple of seasons ago Madrid played Barcelona and Madrid spent the first 45 minutes taking it in turns to kick Messi. Every one of them had a couple of goes to take him out of the game and disrupt Barcelona's game. The only reason they didn't do it for the full 90 was because they'd have finished with half their team as the other half would have been red-carded. I don't hear anyone saying Madrid are a dirty team though. So it was ok for them to do it but not for others?

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  • 115. At 3:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Robbo that player in that autobiography you mentioned went in to 'do' the player he tackled and didn't even get that right. He was useless that bloke, couldn't do anything right.

    And as for your naming a kid after an 80s drink surely there could only be one, as by brother Hoopers Hooch will testify.

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  • 116. At 3:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    111. At 3:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, Joe wrote:
    Personally I think Wayne Bridges needs to grow up and get over it....
    John Terry showed he was the bigger man on saturday!


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    Nevermind all you Arsenal fans. You are all off the hook. The above comment has turned the blog in an entirely new direction of idiocy!!

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  • 117. At 3:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/7041770/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wenger-sorry-for-William-Gallas-tackle-on-Boltons-Mark-Davies.html

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE7Fv4RMt6w

    this could have ended just as badly, Gallas was just lucky, and it was an infinitely more malicious challenge

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  • 118. At 3:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Spitfire I have no doubt that plenty of manager have said to their players to 'get stuck in' to Arsenal because they can't cope with it.

    This is not the same as saying 'Go out and break their legs'.

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  • 119. At 3:40pm on 01 Mar 2010, rastafairy wrote:

    To GazUtd Again,

    While I totally agree that every team has its fair share of wrongful yellow cards I think that the WHOLE history of the PL is a long time. I took the figures for the last 4 seasons (when the majority of each team may be quite similar):
    RED: Arsenal 9 (9th) Reds Man. Utd 11 (14th)
    YELLOW:Arsenal 204 (12th) MAn Utd 208 (13th).
    Figures for this season:
    RED: Arsenal 0 Reds Man. Utd 3
    YELLOW:Arsenal 34 MAn Utd 34.

    So, looking at more recent statistics you can see that THIS Arsenal team, not one with Tony Adams or Man Utd with Keane are not the worste offenders, not even as bad as your own team.

    Those who can do, those who can't teach and those who want to try to prove a point use statistics.

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  • 120. At 3:41pm on 01 Mar 2010, adampsb wrote:

    Ramsey’s injury was absolutely horrific and as we all know not the first time it has happened to an Arsenal player – 3 times in 5 years is no coincidence.

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    Yes it is. Were you complaining when Vieira & Petit used to get stuck in hard or Adams & Keown used borderline assault tactics (or in Keown's case against Van Nistelrooy actual assault tactics). Football is a contact sport and teh reason Arsenal players get hurt more often is that they don't get stuck in tehmselves and haven't toughened up enough. It is still men against boys (tall boys maybe but still boys).

    RBA - No Marmite it's just wrong and surely Jam Roly-Poly shoudl be in goal not Bread Pudding mate

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  • 121. At 3:42pm on 01 Mar 2010, LABSAB9 wrote:

    #108

    What the hell is that all about???

    Strange youth!!!

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  • 122. At 3:42pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:


    RBA 92:

    Me and the Mrs are good!

    You have a good weekend!? The weather didn't affect me pal. We jetted off to the Carribean on Friday evening for a long weekend, - did just the trick!

    And cut with the jealious remarks, I know I'm fortunate but that doesn't need to spark bitterness from your camp!

    What you make of the CC Final. Made for good viewing accompanmies with a cocktail (or two) down your swanny!

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  • 123. At 3:43pm on 01 Mar 2010, twotwotwoone wrote:

    In response to comment 110 (Jamie Riley):

    Would you have a manager punished for sarcasm?

    Get Alanis Morrisette on the FA committees? Now that would be ironic. Or would it?

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  • 124. At 3:45pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    117. At 3:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/7041770/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wenger-sorry-for-William-Gallas-tackle-on-Boltons-Mark-Davies.html

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE7Fv4RMt6w

    this could have ended just as badly, Gallas was just lucky, and it was an infinitely more malicious challenge
    ______________________________________________________________

    Malicious? Really?

    Could you do me a favour please and find me a video of Bolton's Taylor from just one match before this one where he had his knee on the back of Fabregas's neck pinning him to the ground?

    I cannot find it anywhere.
    Could

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  • 125. At 3:45pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    119. At 3:40pm on 01 Mar 2010, rastafairy5 wrote:
    To GazUtd Again,

    While I totally agree that every team has its fair share of wrongful yellow cards I think that the WHOLE history of the PL is a long time. I took the figures for the last 4 seasons (when the majority of each team may be quite similar):
    RED: Arsenal 9 (9th) Reds Man. Utd 11 (14th)
    YELLOW:Arsenal 204 (12th) MAn Utd 208 (13th).
    Figures for this season:
    RED: Arsenal 0 Reds Man. Utd 3
    YELLOW:Arsenal 34 MAn Utd 34.

    So, looking at more recent statistics you can see that THIS Arsenal team, not one with Tony Adams or Man Utd with Keane are not the worste offenders, not even as bad as your own team.

    Those who can do, those who can't teach and those who want to try to prove a point use statistics.



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    I'm not sure what is going on here. Are you trying to have a go at me for using statistics by.... using statistics?

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  • 126. At 3:45pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    77 Gaz.

    Statastics from when the league began?

    Who´s topped the fair play league the last few seasons?

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  • 127. At 3:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, Pedro wrote:

    To everyone saying that it is only the British who think that the type of challenge is acceptable on a football pitch and that it is that attitude of the football audience at large that perpetuates incidents such as the one being discussed, you'd do well to actually be able to read any continental language and go on to sports websites in Portugal, Spain, Italy, etc.. You'd soon realise that the overwhelming majority rated the incident as a simple unfortunate accident from a robust but otherwise legitimate tackle.

    This is not to say that there shouldn't be a discussion on whether you should allow this sort of "robust" challenge (not just in England, mind) or whether there are teams that are told to "get stuck in" and play on the very edge of legality against more technically adept sides like Arsenal, but what really ticks me off about reading these comments is the staggeringly bizarre beliefs that English fans seem to have about how the game is played elsewhere and that every player from Europe's two most prominent footballing peninsulas is a preening prima-donna who would like nothing better than to dive at every opportunity and try to con the man in black.

    On the incident itself, it did not seem to have the subtlest hint of malice, but 3 such injuries in 5 years is a harrowing statistic and apparently Ryan has in fact been involved in a similar incident, again having been adjudged to not have meant any harm. That is not to say he should be crucified (not everything is tabloid material, your press really could do with a bit of moderation!) but Arsène does have a point in feeling aggrieved at how his team are handled week in, week out.

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  • 128. At 3:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, Nick SD wrote:

    Clearly the big debate here is on the Shawcross challenge on Ramsey. Now what everyone seems to be arguing is whether this is a co-incidence or a conspiracy, whereas the fact of the matter is it's neither.

    The thing is the way that you play against a side like Arsenal, who play fast attractive quick-passing football is to get tight and go in hard to stop them playing and exert phsyical superiority where you're unable to exert any other sort. It's the only thing you can do. This will therefore always carry it's risks. The problem is that Arsenal don't really have a "Plan B". When United or Chelsea start being out-muscled by a team they just change tactics to suit the game. Chelsea played for 2 years long-balling it to Drogba and defending the rest of the game under Mourinho and if needs must they can still do it. A similar thing occurs with United although they have for the past few years always had a player to get them out of the situation. It's Rooney at the moment, it was Ronaldo before then, Van Nistelrooy before that and so on.

    With Arsenal there is only the team passing game and the occasional moment of brilliance which doesn't come as regularly as it does for United.

    It's terrible for someone as young as Ramsey to have that sort of injury but it's what happens when you play such phenomenal football. People are going to try and stop you.

    In case anyone's wondering, I am an Arsenal fan myself and this is my honest opinion.

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  • 129. At 3:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    118. At 3:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    Spitfire I have no doubt that plenty of manager have said to their players to 'get stuck in' to Arsenal because they can't cope with it.

    This is not the same as saying 'Go out and break their legs'.
    ____________________________________________________________________

    Well, tell me pray, when a leg does break (accident as it may be) as a result of them 'getting stuck in' who is to blame?

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  • 130. At 3:48pm on 01 Mar 2010, stuspurs wrote:

    #70 richroyston

    We haven't showed any fight for quite a while now, which is why we're only fourth and still losing to loads of teams we should be beating, same for years, and no sign of that changing with all our "pretty boy" football. Still, at least we can compete in a North London Derby as a North London team, unlike some other team I could mention....

    Also, I actually have sympathy for both Shawcross and Ramsey, and hope the young welsh boys back fit soon as possible. Any chance Dawson should be in the England squad instead of Shawcross or Terry though?

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  • 131. At 3:48pm on 01 Mar 2010, adampsb wrote:

    111. At 3:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, Joe wrote:
    Personally I think Wayne Bridges needs to grow up and get over it....
    John Terry showed he was the bigger man on saturday!
    In all aspects of life personal business should be kept away from the work place...
    All footballers these days need to start setting examples to the younger generation.

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    Would you be saying the same thing if your best mate had carried on with your girlfriend behind your back?

    probably not I would think. Bridge has every right to ignore Terry and quite frankly would have been a hypocrite if he hadn't. I can't see how you reconcile the "let's all be role models" and then expect Wayne Bridge to forgive JT and pretend nothing has happened.

    If it had been my missus JT had been getting some with I'd have knocked him out when I walked past him never mind not shaking his hand




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  • 132. At 3:48pm on 01 Mar 2010, rastafairy wrote:

    No, Gaz, I'm saying that statistics can be used to prove whatever you want them to, depending on how you cherry pick them.

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  • 133. At 3:49pm on 01 Mar 2010, Crafty13 wrote:

    In support of Tom Halstead (and Wenger), when they say it is no coincidence, it goes beyond just those 3 broken legs. When we played Stoke last season in the League, we had Adebayor and Walcott stretchered off after poor challenges (Adebayor after being nailed by that fine example of fair play Shawcross). Although neither intentionally hurt the opponent, the way Stoke were allowed to get away with numerous such tackles during that game (and the game on Saturday) greatly increases the likelihood of such an injury. I am not saying it is only Stoke, but that is the most relevant example.
    To be honest I don't even think the tackle from Shawcross was the worst tackle yesterday. If Ramsey did not get injured, I have no doubt the referee would have bottled showing a yellow card yet again. Shortly after that there was an even worse tackle on Eduardo, with a Stoke player diving in with absolutely no chance of getting the ball - fortunately Eduardo saw him coming in, and bottled the shot (checking his run and poking a toe at the ball before trying to jump over the tackler).

    And to imply Eduardo is back to his best is nonsense Robbo; physically I think he is okay, but mentally he is nowhere near the player he was - a good example being the situation just mentioned. He would have made a lot more effort to score in that situation prior to his injury, but now his main focus is on not getting injured.

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  • 134. At 3:49pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    110. At 3:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:

    well, he hasn't actually criticised the ref there, Jamie, he called him perfect. Maybe if RedNose learned some subtlety he wouldn't be so very unpopular

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  • 135. At 3:51pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    129. At 3:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:
    118. At 3:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    Spitfire I have no doubt that plenty of manager have said to their players to 'get stuck in' to Arsenal because they can't cope with it.

    This is not the same as saying 'Go out and break their legs'.
    ____________________________________________________________________

    Well, tell me pray, when a leg does break (accident as it may be) as a result of them 'getting stuck in' who is to blame?

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    You answered your own question Spit. Accidents are accidents, no one is to blame.

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  • 136. At 3:52pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    132. At 3:48pm on 01 Mar 2010, rastafairy5 wrote:
    No, Gaz, I'm saying that statistics can be used to prove whatever you want them to, depending on how you cherry pick them.

    __________________________________________________________________

    Well then that surely applies to saying that because it happened to 3 Arsenal players its a conspiracy.

    3 is a statistic and is only taking into consideration the last couple of years.

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  • 137. At 3:53pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    #128 NickSD

    Finally some sense!

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  • 138. At 3:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    135. At 3:51pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    129. At 3:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:
    118. At 3:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    Spitfire I have no doubt that plenty of manager have said to their players to 'get stuck in' to Arsenal because they can't cope with it.

    This is not the same as saying 'Go out and break their legs'.
    ____________________________________________________________________

    Well, tell me pray, when a leg does break (accident as it may be) as a result of them 'getting stuck in' who is to blame?

    _____________________________________________________________________

    You answered your own question Spit. Accidents are accidents, no one is to blame.

    _______________________________________________________________________

    I was under the impression that even in an alleged accident, the one who is careless is to blame.

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  • 139. At 3:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, Joe wrote:

    so Gazutd in 116

    Tell me what u mean by it being taken to a new direction?????????

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  • 140. At 3:56pm on 01 Mar 2010, smiler_inc wrote:

    I just wonder whether or not modern day shin pads are all they are cracked (pardon the pun) up to be? I remember playing in the late eighties with a pair of Bryan Robson jobbies that covered the whole of your leg almost with additional discs on your ankles for protection/support. You look at the ones that someone like John Terry wears and it looks like Robbo's wallet has been stuffed down the front of his socks! I just wonder whether or not the design sacrfices protection in favour of being lightwight and comfortable?

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  • 141. At 3:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    121. At 3:42pm on 01 Mar 2010, LABSAB9 wrote:
    #108

    What the hell is that all about???

    Strange youth!!!

    just trying to prove arsenal are the same as everyone else, but most of it is rubbish, i admit.


    Spit - not the point. Just because Bolton do it doesn't mean that Arsenal don't. If Gallas had broken Davies leg you'd have trouble defending it, as it was an awful tackle, even compared to Shawcross.

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  • 142. At 3:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Right then let's move this along. We're all agreed that......

    1. Arsene Wenger complains too much and there's a conspiracy against Arsenal.

    2. While what happened to Ramsey was horrific it was a complete accident.

    3. Vidic deserved a red card for his challenge.

    4. The referee was right and Vidic didn't deserve a red card.


    So now we've all agreed on those points let's move on to a new topic. would it have been better to see.......

    a) Wayne Bridge shake JT's hand and then headbutt him before walking calmly away

    or

    Wayne Bridge to have booted JT square in the nuts as hard as he could before walking calmly away.

    You're all wrong. It's actually a followed by b.

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  • 143. At 3:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:


    Would you have a manager punished for sarcasm?

    He is more than just sarcastic, at times quite derogotary i.e. is very lever in the way he puts them down, probably to avoid any action being taken against him.

    I'll use Fergie's word again, - the contempt and arrogance he shows is unforgivable. Last year was bad enough with his hand gesture to Allardyce (not directly as Big Sam would have flatened him) now he's at it again making a mockery of Rovers footballing style - comparing them to Barca. The last time I watched a Liverppol game (the home leg to Unirea) I can't say that resembled Barcelona remotely.

    What Benitez does is critcise opposing managers/ referees in such a manner he can't be punsihed, i.e. does it in a saractic manner, in contrast to Ferguson's style of frankly just being darn right rude!

    Would you have a manager punished for sarcasm?

    As that is directed at me I would say yes if his names Rafael Benitez and no if it's anyone else. No obviously you've got to be consistent so on a while I would say no depending on the degree of it.

    But you must agree Rafa needs taking down a peg. His top 4 guarantee's are just a facade (and coincidentally another example of arrogance) he is really quaking in his boots!




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  • 144. At 3:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, Ted_Breakfast wrote:

    Mr Blueburns - Saying its no coincidence I think is basically because of the focus the media and opposing teams place on being physical with arsenal. Now we all know that Stoke, Blackburn, Bolton etc are physical whoever they play. However I think there is an argument where teams feel that they can get a result by bullying arsenal more than they do against say, chelsea, there is also the media who will focus on how arsenal are going to cope with the physical game or will they fold? I don't think its ridiculous to suggest, although not neccessarily true, that this extra focus on playing physically against arsenal could lead to that little bit extra 'commitment' which ends up with our players being injured.

    What is ridiculous is saying that speed dosen't cause accidents? Somebody driving at 70 in a 30 is surely dangerous isn't it? Its impossible to stop a car as quickly if your travelling at a faster speed and you physically cant react as quickly.

    S

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  • 145. At 4:00pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    121. At 3:42pm on 01 Mar 2010, LABSAB9 wrote:
    #108

    What the hell is that all about???

    Strange youth!!!

    yeah, look at the Gallas challenge instead, i was trying to show that Arsenal are as guilty as anyone else of foul play.

    SPIT - what has that got to do with anything? I'm just trying to show you that Gallas could be where Shawcross is now, with no defence as he meant it.

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  • 146. At 4:00pm on 01 Mar 2010, GINOLLLLA wrote:

    I think it's quite funny how Wenger and a lot of Gooners have this "everyones against us and too hard in the tackle against us" view, what about when Wenger took over??
    Although I don't really recall them breaking anyones leg as such (nobody Roy Keane aside is going to do that delibrately) didn't Arsenal have one of the worst disciplinary records of all time?

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  • 147. At 4:01pm on 01 Mar 2010, LABSAB9 wrote:

    136. At 3:52pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    3 is a statistic


    I thought 3 was the magic number??

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  • 148. At 4:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    141. At 3:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:
    Spit - not the point. Just because Bolton do it doesn't mean that Arsenal don't. If Gallas had broken Davies leg you'd have trouble defending it, as it was an awful tackle, even compared to Shawcross.

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    This is where you are wrong.

    I wont be having any trouble defending Gallas because I wont be defending him at all.

    If you could be troubled to read what I wrote at the time, you would know that I called him an idiot and reckless for doing it when he did.

    But I am sure no one would care for what the Arsenal players themselves had to say about it coz all and sundry had a field day slating him anyway.

    Sadly dont see it with Shawcross.

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  • 149. At 4:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #131 adampsb

    Why do people like you continue to stick to the idea that Terry cheated on Bridge? Bridge and the woman in question were already separated it has been reported.

    Bridge should have risen above things and shaken his hand because it was there as part of the fair play initiative, not as an endorsement of Terry's lifestyle, whatever you may think about that.

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  • 150. At 4:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    CFC - I would prefer a followed by b followed by c) calmly walking back and kicking him in the nuts again before calmly walking away again.


    Jamie - Surely if you are going to punish a manager for sarcasm then Benitez will be the first punished, not for any of his comments but simply for the way he has Liverpool playing football.

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  • 151. At 4:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Wonder what the media and self rightous manc reaction would of been if it had happened to Rooney?

    *I in no way wish such an injury on him or any other player/person.

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  • 152. At 4:04pm on 01 Mar 2010, Joe wrote:

    131.. adampsb

    She was his EX!! A free agent, takes two to tango. JT has had all the S**t from it she has had none!!!
    ok so he broke the unwritten rule don't go where a friend has been!! but everyone makes mistakes and he has paid for it!! in more ways than one!

    Give JT a break

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  • 153. At 4:05pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    In an effort to reach out to my (hopefully not former) Arseanl supporting friends can we forget about the whole tackle thing and concentrate on what a **** John Terry is?

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  • 154. At 4:05pm on 01 Mar 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Afternoon all.
    Internet is down at work so just a quick hello.

    Oh and get in there rooney lad! Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

    Hopefully ill b back tomorrow.

    Using my phone 2 gloat at the Carling cup is wierd. Anyway, ciao 4 now peoples!

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  • 155. At 4:06pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    138. At 3:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:
    I was under the impression that even in an alleged accident, the one who is careless is to blame.

    only in american culture

    144. At 3:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, Ted_Breakfast wrote:
    What is ridiculous is saying that speed dosen't cause accidents
    ineptitude causes accidents, not speed. that is simple.

    143. At 3:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:

    you're a Man U fan. Shame. I was going to try and make an informed point, but i can see now it would be wasted.

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  • 156. At 4:06pm on 01 Mar 2010, GINOLLLLA wrote:

    H2H - hope you're good fella!
    You're right, the redtops wouldn't have been happy had it been Rooney who suffered such a terrible injury. I do feel sorry for young Ramsey but I don't think Shawcross' tackle was as bad as the result of it...

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  • 157. At 4:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Who is worse, Shawcross who broke RAmsays leg... Or JT who broke young bridges heart...

    Two difficult problems... but you know what they say, time heals all wounds... this is why fergie will live forever!

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  • 158. At 4:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    H2H you aren't making my efforts easy!!

    It has happened to United, it has happened to everyone, as far as I am aware no one else other than Wenger is claiming a conspiracy against them.

    Can I also ask that for your * marked rider at the end of your last comment are you also including Craig Bellamy in that? If you are you're a bigger man than I :)

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  • 159. At 4:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, Josh wrote:

    Shawcross tackled like probably 75% of sunday league and lower league footballers in this country. How often does the coach of a side (speaking as a centre half myself) take you to one side and say 'go in hard and fair son, let him know who you are'.

    Point being, although ramsey is a top class prospect and sympathy has to lie very much in his and Arsenal's camp (rather than with Shawcross) there was no malice in the tackle and his reaction said it all

    Wenger's post match comments are consistantly ridiculous, particularly if any team dares to go in hard on his little dolls but this is a bloke who had the likes of Keown, Vieria, Petit, Winterburn... hardly any difference is there!?

    Even as a bluenose felt sorry for the villa, Vidic had to go no question

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  • 160. At 4:08pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    People criticising Shawcross really need to get a grip. He went for the ball and was a split second late. Not like many of the seconds late challenges we see every game which get a yellow at worst.

    Or the players who jump up and then swing their elbows (e.g. Heskey who tried to smash vidic's face in with his elbows on the weekend, but went unpunished).

    Two players, eyes on the ball competiting with naivity for a 50:50 ball. Its unfortunate, but innocent. Any suggestion that people are out to get Arsenal players is, frankly, predicably ridiculous.

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  • 161. At 4:08pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    155. At 4:06pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:
    138. At 3:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:
    I was under the impression that even in an alleged accident, the one who is careless is to blame.

    only in american culture
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    No mate. Every sane justice system will punish you for acting without due care.

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  • 162. At 4:09pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    "I was under the impression that even in an alleged accident, the one who is careless is to blame."

    Driving your car, someone swings the door open of a parked car and you hit them and kill them. Who's the one at fault?

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  • 163. At 4:10pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    What with all the Arsenal conspiracies and JT shenanigans I almost forgot to ask all you England fans....


    How can anyone seriously consider taking Heskey to the WC in any sort of footballing capacity?

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  • 164. At 4:11pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    148. At 4:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    well. i'd personally say, and have said, that the reason Ramsey has a bad injury is that his feet were planted, one in a weak position, and Shawcross didn't have studs up or two feet together. There is a seperate debate about lack of protection, players not wearing shinpads or proper boots, but that isn't really the point here.

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  • 165. At 4:11pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    160... genesis mate, me and you dont always see eye to eye (especially with you being up on your pedistal **joking**) but all this talk of yours about how "He went for the ball and was a split second late" makes it sound as if this is all just a big nasty accident and no one in particular is too blame... But we both know it is a huge consiracy theory controlled by the illuminati and the free masons to keep Arsenal from ever winning another trophy!

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  • 166. At 4:11pm on 01 Mar 2010, NEARPOSTHEADER wrote:

    I have to say I think Bridge should've shown a bit of class and shaken JT's hand. Or maybe gone one better and have given him a hug and a big, sloppy wet kiss.
    Someone obviously bought JT a DIY hairdressing kit for Xmas - electric clippers and attachments - but forgot to buy him a mirror as well.
    As far as the British 'get stuck in' style of playing is concerned, foreign players seem to pick it up pretty quickly - Merseyside and Old Firm derbies still seem to be littered with thunderous tackles, even though half the players are from distant shores. Perhaps it is time to concentrate more on skill and less on headless chicken-style running and tackling.
    I'd love to see Wenger in charge of the England squad - just to see if he made any real difference.

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  • 167. At 4:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, rastafairy wrote:

    Firstly, 3 broken legs is not a statistic, it's a fact. Secondly,I didn't say it was a conspiracy, I said it is a consequence of a style of play that all and sundry seem to think is ok to apply against arsenal. I dont think that it was, per se, a reckless or malicious tackle but rather a result of a pre-meditated tactic.
    Many other players suffer broken legs or serious, career threatening injuries, a few of which happen whilst playing against Man Utd: Alf Inge Haaland and David Busst for example.
    What would be more telling statistics would be most fouls commited and most fouled team. I'll do some digging if my missus doesn't come back too soon.

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  • 168. At 4:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, Joe wrote:

    number 149 Mrblueburns

    fair comment well said

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  • 169. At 4:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, saysitasheseesit wrote:

    In yet another attempt to shut Spitfire and GazUtd up, heres a moral dilema for y'all..

    July 11th 2010, Sawff Afrika..... 1-1 against, say, Spain. Corner. Terry leaps like a salmon and nodds it home. Huzzah you yelp!

    So, whilst we all think Terry is a bit of a plank (putting it lightly) how do we all react.

    I imagine. Bonkers. But what about a week/month/lifetime later??

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  • 170. At 4:14pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    165. At 4:11pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    (especially with you being up on your pedistal **joking**)


    __________________________


    I sincerely hope you were only joking.










    It's pedestal!!


    Are you a member of the conspiracy to destroy the world with illiteracy RBA? I think u r!!

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  • 171. At 4:14pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:

    In response to Re-communicated

    134. At 3:49pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    well, he hasn't actually criticised the ref there, Jamie, he called him perfect. Maybe if RedNose learned some subtlety he wouldn't be so very unpopular.

    Which backs up exactly what I have just said in comment 143, - in short Benitez is very clever in his manner of criticsing referee's/ opposing teams/ players in order to avoid punishment. This being in complete contrast to red nose as you call him, or more commonly in my own and Ryan Giggs vocabularly (see his acceptancy sppech for sports personality of the year)'The greatest manager to ever live' who is just darn right rude and to the point, - making for entertaining interviews.

    Not that Rafa's aren't however. the number of evasive answers Rafa's gives is comical. The way he was made so uncomfortable by the interviewer after the 2-1 FA Cup defeat to Reading had me splitting my sides.

    (Can't find the transcript) - on the lines of

    Interviewer: Rafa, was that good enough?

    Rafa: Well I feel we make some god chances and if we score we could have won the game.

    This in his strong spanish accent. Tv gold!

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  • 172. At 4:15pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Gaz, ha ha.

    I´ll wind my neck in now.

    I was fine after the Stoke game, sick for Ramsey of course, but not the same feeling that I had when it was Eduardo.
    Just got rilled up at all the Wenger is a whinger commenets (which he is most of the time) and some who try to defend bad tackles, which is what it was. Malicous? No. Bad? Yes.

    Good week to be a scouse wum though.

    That tackle, the Vidic incident and Terry v Bridgegate has taken the spotlight off how terrible their team is.

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  • 173. At 4:15pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    163. At 4:10pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    How can anyone seriously consider taking Heskey to the WC in any sort of footballing capacity?

    _______________________________

    I have said it plenty of times before.

    Why Capello prefers Heskey to Zamora, Cole, Defoe is beyond me.
    The bloke is as useless as

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  • 174. At 4:15pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    161. At 4:08pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    then it's interpretation, and i don't blame you for judging Shawcross to have been less careful than he should. I have a different opinion, that it's a fast game and injuries are inevitable.

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  • 175. At 4:16pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 176. At 4:16pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    169. At 4:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, saysitasheseesit wrote:
    In yet another attempt to shut Spitfire and GazUtd up, heres a moral dilema for y'all..

    July 11th 2010, Sawff Afrika..... 1-1 against, say, Spain. Corner. Terry leaps like a salmon and nodds it home. Huzzah you yelp!

    So, whilst we all think Terry is a bit of a plank (putting it lightly) how do we all react.

    I imagine. Bonkers. But what about a week/month/lifetime later??


    _________________________


    You're obviously new here and don't know that I don't shut up, nor do Arsenal fans when arguing with me :)


    You also don't know that I'm Irish and therefore the chances of me shouing 'Huzzah' at JT scoring the winning goal in a WC final are very slim.

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  • 177. At 4:17pm on 01 Mar 2010, Royall69 wrote:

    Ramsey was one of wales's most promising players. his injury will hit us hard with the euro qualifiers

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  • 178. At 4:18pm on 01 Mar 2010, rinseyman wrote:

    Oh noes!!! When will these nasty teams learn they're not allowed to tackle Arsene's creampuffs?

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  • 179. At 4:18pm on 01 Mar 2010, Josh wrote:

    Can't understand why O'Neill prefers heskey to carew let alone how capello sees him as anything like as good as cole! Wouldn't mind seeing milner play on the left and Gerrard in the hole behind rooney? any thoughts?

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  • 180. At 4:18pm on 01 Mar 2010, Chip it like Vela wrote:


    A footballer badly mis-timing a tackle that potentially ends a promising career and then claiming there was no malicious intent is like a drunk driver hitting a pedestrian and swearing that he intended no harm...Incompetence, recklessness and negligence, while not being worse than malice, cant ever be an excuse.

    While English football should rightfully be appreciated for its pace, tempo and energy, its pathetic that the authorities have never tried to put an end to the ugly physical aspect that accompanies the English game...As long as this culture which encourages 'physicality' continues, kids will always grow up thinking 'skill' is not important to win games and that will be the reason England will never win major honours in football..

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  • 181. At 4:18pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colinus wrote:

    @ #127. At 3:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, Pedro.

    For example this article from French sports magazine L'Equipe is entitled "Shawcross, a special day" and describes how he was called to his first England squad "just hours after being ejected against Arsenal following a heavy tackle which broke the right leg of Gunner Aaron Ramsey."

    So that's "heavy tackle", not "disgraceful tackle", or "malicious tackle", or "typically English tackle". Very neutral language.

    http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2010/20100227_233901_shawcross-une-journee-particuliere.html

    The photo caption is "Ryan Shawcross crying after injuring Aaron Ramsey".

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  • 182. At 4:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    170... oh gaz, ever the voice of the down troden when it is a politician or footballer or any other media voice in the wrong... but when it comes down to it you show your true colours and utter distain for the uneducated voice...

    I may miss spell and my grammification may be lacking in correctitude from time to time, but the resonating truth which my jibberish contains shall forever ring in the boujoir ears of you and your oxford cronies!

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  • 183. At 4:20pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    165. At 4:11pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
    160... genesis mate, me and you dont always see eye to eye (especially with you being up on your pedistal **joking**) but all this talk of yours about how "He went for the ball and was a split second late" makes it sound as if this is all just a big nasty accident and no one in particular is too blame... But we both know it is a huge consiracy theory controlled by the illuminati and the free masons to keep Arsenal from ever winning another trophy
    ///////

    I know you´re kinda joking mate, but that tackle may actually be the catalyst to galvanise that team into winning something.

    If not there´s always next year (said in my best Yosser Hughes accent)

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  • 184. At 4:20pm on 01 Mar 2010, Ted_Breakfast wrote:

    155. Well yes, driving too fast is ineptitude isn't it? and if you drive to fast your more likely to cause an accident.

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  • 185. At 4:20pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    H2H yes, there are a suspicious lack of Scousers and Scouse WUMs around.

    It's a conspiracy where Rafa paid JT to tackle outside the box, paid everyone to tackle Arsenal at box-height and told Phil Dowd not to send Vidic off so that United would win another trophy. All to take away from his useless season as manager.

    It's all so clear now! How did we miss it?

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  • 186. At 4:21pm on 01 Mar 2010, collie21 wrote:

    I am all for Bridge becoming the Next Zidane, but if you are going to bang on about wafer thin mints I think I'll have a bucket and perhaps a hose...

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  • 187. At 4:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    171. At 4:14pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:

    Which backs up exactly what I have just said in comment 143, - in short Benitez is very clever in his manner of criticsing referee's/ opposing teams/ players in order to avoid punishment. This being in complete contrast to red nose as you call him

    but yet Ferguson doesn't get banned. Hmm, odd?

    O, and the GOAT generally has to have some varied success, but definately the GOAPremiershipT

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  • 188. At 4:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 189. At 4:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, NormalforNuneaton wrote:

    As a fan of neither Arsenal nor Stoke, I sincerely hope that Stoke will appeal against the automatic ban that Ryan Shawcross will now get, as he most definitely should not have been sent off. It's debatable if he should even have been booked. At worst his tackle, which looked completely innocuous both watching the match live and on slow motion replays, was slightly mistimed with horrendous consequences and at best was a perfectly normal tackle that 99 times out of 100 would not even have warranted a free kick against him.

    As for a conspiracy against Arsenal, I think not.

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  • 190. At 4:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colinus wrote:

    @180 read my article @181.

    Clearly it's English fans who see this tackle as being a problem in the English game, whereas overseas, it is just seen as an accidental tackle in any game. Unless you regularly watch and read about football overseas, I think you can't compare the English game as being much more physical, players get injured any where in the world.

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  • 191. At 4:24pm on 01 Mar 2010, adampsb wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 192. At 4:25pm on 01 Mar 2010, bluehellsbells wrote:

    111. At 3:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, Joe wrote:
    Personally I think Wayne Bridges needs to grow up and get over it....
    John Terry showed he was the bigger man on saturday!


    I watched the line-up carefully on Saturday and, at no point, did I see JT & Bridge compare their tackles, so I don't know what sort of channel you were watching ... but if he truly is the bigger man, that may expalin why Vanessa French-Trollop jumped into bed with him

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  • 193. At 4:25pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    188. At 4:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    you lot of course wont see it that way, but i assure you, the rest of the Country do!


    __________________________________


    Which makes it feel all the sweeter!! :)

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  • 194. At 4:26pm on 01 Mar 2010, Tom Halstead wrote:

    Had to go and teach so just caught up on the last bit - H2H & Spit - once again, you speak very well my friends especialy your post from the last blog H2H

    159. At 4:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, Josh wrote:
    Shawcross tackled like probably 75% of sunday league and lower league footballers in this country. How often does the coach of a side (speaking as a centre half myself) take you to one side and say 'go in hard and fair son, let him know who you are'.

    Point being, although ramsey is a top class prospect and sympathy has to lie very much in his and Arsenal's camp (rather than with Shawcross) there was no malice in the tackle and his reaction said it all
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    The contradiction in these statements is obvious for all to see!! Take your British Sunday league mentality, multiply it several times in the minds of the teams playing Arsenal as they know it is the only way they can challenge Arsenal...et voila!

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  • 195. At 4:26pm on 01 Mar 2010, Zootmac wrote:

    182 BedLureMary69

    Yuo tel im meat.

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  • 196. At 4:26pm on 01 Mar 2010, rastafairy wrote:

    So, I've dug:
    Season to date:
    Free kicks conceded: Arsenal 8th highest (less than Man. Utd)
    Free kicks won: Arsenal 4th highest.

    So those "lies, damn lies and statistics" show that we are one of the most fouled teams in the PL.

    Sorry, I love Excel.

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  • 197. At 4:27pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:


    RBA 92)

    Before it's likely to be removed I would like to congratulate you on the inventiveness and humour of your first paragraph of comment 175.

    Absolute hilarious, I am still drying my eyes now.

    But you also make a good point, - United continue to win trophies!

    So what would I prefer a trophyless season, or a title winning one - containing a noisy mascot named Gary Neville, - who you didn't add can actually still do a job, - despite being loud mouth.

    I think I'll take the latter!

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  • 198. At 4:28pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    184. At 4:20pm on 01 Mar 2010, Ted_Breakfast wrote:
    155. Well yes, driving too fast is ineptitude isn't it? and if you drive to fast your more likely to cause an accident.

    difference between speed and 'driving too fast' is obvious. try again.

    All day on 01 Mar 2010, Arsenal fans wrote:

    Waaaaaaah, Waaaaaaaaaah, Waaaaaaah!

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  • 199. At 4:28pm on 01 Mar 2010, gavinb24 wrote:

    @#8

    you do reliase that Kyriakos who isnt british just put Fellaini on the shelf for 7 months

    Ballack hacked Tevez down from behind at the weekend

    and finally..

    Gallas stamped on Mark Davies ankle a few weeks ago

    none of these players are british the thing they have in common is they are all playing football which is a contact sport

    i feel for young Ramsey and hope he gets playing it was a pure accident, for a dirty team Stoke commited 11 other fouls all game i dont see that as particulary dirty

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  • 200. At 4:28pm on 01 Mar 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:

    140. At 3:56pm on 01 Mar 2010, smiler_inc wrote:
    I just wonder whether or not modern day shin pads are all they are cracked (pardon the pun) up to be? I remember playing in the late eighties with a pair of Bryan Robson jobbies that covered the whole of your leg almost with additional discs on your ankles for protection/support. You look at the ones that someone like John Terry wears and it looks like Robbo's wallet has been stuffed down the front of his socks! I just wonder whether or not the design sacrfices protection in favour of being lightwight and comfortable?

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Dunno whether I'm being touchy here but there is an implication that my wallet is cheap thin leather with next to no cash in it... from which we might deduce that I'm as tight as the skin on a kettle drum. For the record, I always get my round in. The fact that that round is always on the first Monday of every month doesn't mean anything.

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  • 201. At 4:28pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Cliff notes time.....


    1. There is no conspiracy against Arsenal unless you are one of the few in on the conspiracy, in which case there is.

    2. JT should not be shunned, unless he comes anywhere near your Mrs in which case you are allowed to throw stuff at him and laugh at his hair.

    3. Rafa puts people to sleep both with his style of football and his after match interviews.

    4. Gary Neville is useless.

    5. Heskey has no place in football.

    6. Craig Bellamy is a ****.



    Is that about it so far? All agreed?

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  • 202. At 4:29pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #191 adampsb

    Oh wide rumours eh? Well, why didn't you say you had such precise evidence before then this whole thing could have been avoided.

    Oh do I look silly now.....

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  • 203. At 4:30pm on 01 Mar 2010, Tom Halstead wrote:

    189. At 4:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, NormalforNuneaton wrote:
    As a fan of neither Arsenal nor Stoke, I sincerely hope that Stoke will appeal against the automatic ban that Ryan Shawcross will now get, as he most definitely should not have been sent off. It's debatable if he should even have been booked. At worst his tackle, which looked completely innocuous both watching the match live and on slow motion replays, was slightly mistimed with horrendous consequences and at best was a perfectly normal tackle that 99 times out of 100 would not even have warranted a free kick against him.
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    Are you freaking kidding me?!!!! What an idiot!

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  • 204. At 4:30pm on 01 Mar 2010, Josh wrote:

    159. At 4:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, Josh wrote:
    Shawcross tackled like probably 75% of sunday league and lower league footballers in this country. How often does the coach of a side (speaking as a centre half myself) take you to one side and say 'go in hard and fair son, let him know who you are'.

    Point being, although ramsey is a top class prospect and sympathy has to lie very much in his and Arsenal's camp (rather than with Shawcross) there was no malice in the tackle and his reaction said it all
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    The contradiction in these statements is obvious for all to see!! Take your British Sunday league mentality, multiply it several times in the minds of the teams playing Arsenal as they know it is the only way they can challenge Arsenal...et voila!
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    Can't see any contradiction, juxtaposition between 'hard' and 'fair' perhaps but all I'm saying is that regardless of whether you are playing Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea or the playmaker for Hayes and Yeading you let him know who you are and you go in hard but you are never malicious, no-one can suggest Martin Taylor or Shawcross wanted to injure an Arsenal player

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  • 205. At 4:31pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    198. At 4:28pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    All day on 01 Mar 2010, Arsenal fans wrote:

    Waaaaaaah, Waaaaaaaaaah, Waaaaaaah!

    ________________________________________________________


    Sorry H2H and Spitfire but I laughed so much at this a little bit of wee came out!

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  • 206. At 4:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, Chip it like Vela wrote:

    Re comment 8: I couldn't agree more...There are so many good ball players in the English game but unfortunately the focus of British football has always been in developing players with certain attributes like physically tough, unflinching, combative...

    On diving, I have a slightly different thought process.. In England, when an attacking player runs at a defender, 8 times out of 10 he is fouled but he is given the foul only 50% of the times...If defenders are increasingly penalised for fouling, there is a chance that the attacking player starts getting the rewards for his skill and might actually become more honest...You can call me naive but its worth a shout...I'm sure the likes of Walcott, Lennon and AYoung would become much better players if only we got tougher on cynical physical fouls by defenders...

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  • 207. At 4:33pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    188. At 4:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    oh, god. no, don't assure people on behalf of the country.

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  • 208. At 4:33pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    185. At 4:20pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    H2H yes, there are a suspicious lack of Scousers and Scouse WUMs around.

    It's a conspiracy where Rafa paid JT to tackle outside the box, paid everyone to tackle Arsenal at box-height and told Phil Dowd not to send Vidic off so that United would win another trophy. All to take away from his useless season as manager.

    It's all so clear now! How did we miss it?
    -----

    You missed out Terry messing around in the box that Bridge should of been defending.

    Conspiracy complete.

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  • 209. At 4:34pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    An exclusive pick from inside the Arsenal dressing room...

    http://tinyurl.com/ybchven















    I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.

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  • 210. At 4:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, rastafairy wrote:

    Sorry Gaz, didn't see your Olive Branch further up. You have ensured World Peace (except for "friends of JT" who blab their mouths off to the red-tops).

    To the others: The "lady" in question was the mother of WB's child. That's enough reason for not going there IMHO.

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  • 211. At 4:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, adampsb wrote:

    Maybe if Wenger bought a strong defensive midfielder like Vieira teher wouldn't be the get uck in aspect (never said that to players facing Keano or Vinnie did they - it was more run for your life)

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  • 212. At 4:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    you do reliase that Kyriakos who isnt british just put Fellaini on the shelf for 7 months

    um, Fellaini stamped on Zorba's ankle, get it right.

    And Tom, you are the idiot

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  • 213. At 4:37pm on 01 Mar 2010, Ted_Breakfast wrote:

    198 - well I had assumed by saying speed causes accidents we were assuming that that meant driving fast. If your 'speed' is 30 in a 30 then no that won't cause accidents. If your speed is 60 in a 30 that will cause accidents. There is a corner or two in the forest near me where people die fairly regularly because they drive to fast to control themselves round the corner. If you don't agree with this then I don't know what your referring to by speed.

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  • 214. At 4:37pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    35. At 2:37pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:
    "If you disagree then fine. You would, as everyone here knows."
    Oh just do one will you, you prize jessie. I disagree only when I think you're wrong. It just happens that, as you're an ABU, it is most of the time.

    "149. At 4:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
    "Why do people like you continue to stick to the idea that Terry cheated on Bridge? Bridge and the woman in question were already separated it has been reported.

    Bridge should have risen above things and shaken his hand because it was there as part of the fair play initiative, not as an endorsement of Terry's lifestyle, whatever you may think about that."

    Terry and Bridge were best mates. Terry cheated on his own doormat of a wife with the mother of his best mate's child. It is sick behaviour, and that you think nothing of it is a sad indictment of Chelsea's fans, the same who booed Bridge for being on the receiving end of behaviour from their club's captain, who should (had Ancelloti had any guts at all) been stripped of his club captaincy too.

    How do you think the other players in the club feel? You could see that most of them privately backed Bridge by how they greeted him before the game.

    RBA, you know that Sir Alex and brother Allardice are space lizards. That's why they chew so hard, to maintain their shape. Apparently they lick the blood of fallen gooner children from the studs of their players and dance naked while listening to Rafa's FACTs played backwards.

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  • 215. At 4:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    Well, when the best response is 'you are an idiot', you know its time to stay away for a while.

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  • 216. At 4:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    213. At 4:37pm on 01 Mar 2010, Ted_Breakfast wrote:

    you said too fast, not fast. i agree, it's speen in the right places.

    Gen - i feel the same way, but i care less.

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  • 217. At 4:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    RBA, you know that Sir Alex and brother Allardice are space lizards. That's why they chew so hard, to maintain their shape. Apparently they lick the blood of fallen gooner children from the studs of their players and dance naked while listening to Rafa's FACTs played backwards.

    I knew it!

    Hail he space lizards!

    Death to the Wengernauts!

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  • 218. At 4:40pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Speed is fine, its speed 2 you have to worry about, you know that cack on a boat!

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  • 219. At 4:40pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    So David Icke was right all along then?

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  • 220. At 4:41pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    plus, Gensweety, Phil Collins is a cleft, and if it makes it easier for you to think that it's Trafford Utd i have a problem with as opposed to your ridiculously myopic excuses for views then go ahead.

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  • 221. At 4:41pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    RBA you are correct sir, as usual, about Speed 2.

    When you can make a sequel worse than a film Keanu Reeves starred in though you should win some sort of award.

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  • 222. At 4:42pm on 01 Mar 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:

    206. At 4:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, Chip it like Vela wrote:
    Re comment 8: I couldn't agree more...There are so many good ball players in the English game but unfortunately the focus of British football has always been in developing players with certain attributes like physically tough, unflinching, combative...

    _________________________________________________________________________

    I can't think of a single national team that doesn't have its hard men as well as its flair players. It's nonsense to suggest this is a British disease. If there's a difference between British and continental footy it might be that the pace of the game is a lot faster and therefore the consequences of a mistimed tackle are all the more dangerous. But there are plenty of cynical cloggers around who weren't born in this country.

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  • 223. At 4:43pm on 01 Mar 2010, Raeny wrote:

    'the rules is the rules'

    Haha...classic!

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  • 224. At 4:44pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    Robbo - you're essentially trying to reason with a crying toddler.

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  • 225. At 4:46pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    221. At 4:41pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    Matrix 2? Bill and Ted 2?

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  • 226. At 4:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    224. At 4:44pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    Robbo - you're essentially trying to reason with a crying toddler.


    _________________


    He has form for this. He's made more children cry than that time Bambi got run over by a car speeding, and it wasn't an accident. Allegedly!!

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  • 227. At 4:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    I agree, as usual Gaz... thats whay i was disgusted the 2004 little known indy flick "Bill and Teds Mediocre tenure on Coach Trip" didn't win the best pic that year in the oscars...

    With that annoying kid from transformers and Indian Jones and The Exhausted Franchise taking Reeves roll as Ted Theodore Logan... Alongside the fat one from Gavin and Stacy as Bill S Preston Esq. The basic plot was the time travelling Wyld Stallions have to win Channes Fours Shyte Awful Coach Trip, but they keep getting voted off by old people... In the end they win and do a version of "C'mon you Reds" by the 94 FA cup winning United team and status quo atop the coach...

    Jonathon ross said "it was a wevawation weally wood wun wivverting!"

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  • 228. At 4:48pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    i'm glad we're all in agreement that Wenger is the bad guy in all of this... how dare he feel hard done by after another heartbreaking injury!

    if he could just acknowledge how Eduardo's injury has made him a better player - quicker, faster, more confident and clinical - he would realize how silly he is to complain!

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  • 229. At 4:48pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Yes RBA but they both kept Keanu which automatically stinks up your movie. The beauty about Speed 2 was that they made it worse without Keanu!

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  • 230. At 4:49pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Sorry I meant 'yes re-communicated'


    Anyway, Denis is here, what should I do?

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  • 231. At 4:49pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    @224, rather than reasoning with the screeching noise of nails on a blackboard that is your charming self?

    not all United fans put the name of their preferred group in their usename, but its an interesting "come back".

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  • 232. At 4:52pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    Its a shame that Vieira doesn't still play for Arsenal. Not just because they're shyte without him, but because they don't get as many red cards for dirty fouls since he left, and it seems to have been wiped from the collective memory. Ah, that Wenger, he should have played Obi Wan.

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  • 233. At 4:52pm on 01 Mar 2010, Ted_Breakfast wrote:

    I agree Dennis, We have all had enough of Wenger's moaning and this is one step too far, really Wenger should be criticising Ramsey for yet another example of our soft underbelly.

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  • 234. At 4:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    gaz, you have me and re confused... in my made up flick, i have replaced Reeves... A job not easily done though the wakahhjskahjkswski brothers managed it for the second half of the matrix 3 by putting some sunglasses on a broom... it took a month and team of 40000 cgi specialists to make that broom look inanimate enough to fill the roll.

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  • 235. At 4:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    What, Gen? Never mind, i'm off home. Yes, although i haven't address the Robbly one, so no. If you find my posts difficult, feel free to ignore them, they aren't written for your benfit anyway.

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  • 236. At 4:55pm on 01 Mar 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:

    #224

    Listen I'd be hacked off and sickened if the team I supported suffered these injuries 3 times in 5 years. I might get a tad neurotic meself.
    But the conspiracy theory is bonkers and the 'this is what happens when teams go in hard' argument suggests that the game has suddenly become rougher and tougher than ever - whereas everyone knows that the amount of free kicks given for absolutely nowt these days is ridculous.
    If you want to see some proper targeting of the opposition watch Portugal v Brazil, 1966. Or the Butcher of Bilbao on Maradona. Orrible stuff.

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  • 237. At 4:55pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    "if he could just acknowledge how Eduardo's injury has made him a better player - quicker, faster, more confident and clinical - he would realize how silly he is to complain!"

    it could be that he's just another bad purchase rather than that his injury has ruined him (after all, RvP has been injured many a time, but he's still one of the best in the Prem).

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  • 238. At 4:56pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    OK, now that i've got (most of) the sarcasm out, let's all acknowledge that Arsenal have probably the worst luck of any team in football... at least amongst the big teams.

    just look at the last couple games:

    ridiculous events in Portugal with the Rosicky stonewaller leading to Fabulousanski's comedy routine.

    Almunia getting fit again.

    young Ramsey being denied a stonewaller (why wasn't he booked for diving?) and then having his leg chopped in half for good measure...surprised the ref didn't spit on his oxygen mask as well.



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  • 239. At 4:56pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    TEd n' Den... finally some arseanl fans with a proper attitude!

    Toughen up or NAFF off! It the prem, not the lady boy fanny leagues!

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  • 240. At 4:56pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    198. At 4:28pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:

    All day on 01 Mar 2010, Arsenal fans wrote:

    Waaaaaaah, Waaaaaaaaaah, Waaaaaaah!
    ///
    Since the 80´s L,pool fans wrote;

    We´ll win it next year

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  • 241. At 4:57pm on 01 Mar 2010, whatbill wrote:

    I suppose if a friend slept with your ex (and mother of your children) a few months after you split up, called you a bottler in the press and then tried to shake your hand on live TV, you might have a few issues with it.

    I think that despite having his superinjunction overturned and his england armband taken away, JT is still struggling to realise that he's not untouchable. Presumably he thought that if he offered his hand, Bridge would have to go along with it.

    Don't forget its rumoured that Terry manipulated the order the champions league final penalties were taken in 2008 so he got to score the winning one (or not). He was also linked to Mourinho leaving stanford bridge. And there have been any number of tawadry misdemeanours reported in the press over the years.

    So basically this is someone who has done exactly what he likes for a long time and (at times amazingly) got away with it. The difference this time is that he took on the english press and then the toughest england manager of the modern era. Now his form is suffering and threatening both chelsea's title challenge and england's world cup. IF only he'd been dealyt with earlier...

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  • 242. At 4:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    "just another bad purchase"

    yeah - Wenger is infamous for bad purchases.

    good point, you twit.

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  • 243. At 4:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Most unfortunate mistimed tackle in history and just another example of the French namby pamby conspiracy attitude...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1sAM4-1LHc&feature=related


    As if the Germans would ever do such a horrible thing!

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  • 244. At 4:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    238. At 4:56pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:
    "OK, now that i've got (most of) the sarcasm out, let's all acknowledge that Arsenal have probably the worst luck of any team in football... at least amongst the big teams."

    Nah, you're joking. That was good though, I almost bought it as a serious comment.

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  • 245. At 4:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Yeah well since 92 aldershot fans have writen..........?

    Actually i'm the only one who know how, so mostly jibberish... (how am i doing)

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  • 246. At 5:00pm on 01 Mar 2010, glazierNOWeagle wrote:

    #46 Spitfire
    "This reminds me of that idiot, moronic (for the lack of allowance to use harder swear words for him) Pat Buchanan who said the people of Haiti got what they deserved in the earthquake as it was a just retribution from Jesus (other made up deities are available) for making a deal with the devil some centuries ago."
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Just for the record it wasn't Pat Buchanan that made that remark it was in fact the other idiot Pat Robertson. Easy enough to get those two morons confused though.

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  • 247. At 5:00pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    "yeah - Wenger is infamous for bad purchases."
    I have a sneaking suspicion that you were being serious before...

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  • 248. At 5:01pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    nite all...

    catch you on the b-side

    Go ogle!

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  • 249. At 5:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    242. At 4:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    yeah - Wenger is infamous for bad purchases.


    ________________


    In the goalkeeping department Denis I'm sure even you would have to say that he is!?

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  • 250. At 5:04pm on 01 Mar 2010, southernstokie wrote:

    Wenger is a hypocrite, Ian Wrights tackle on Schmeichel, Thierry Henrys ridiculous two footed lunge on David Weir at Everton, Abou Diabys two footer on Wessley Sneijder, Abou Diaby on Steinnson for Bolton weeks after Eduardos injury, and Shawcross's tackle doesn't even compare to Martin Taylors, Taylors was high and studs showing, Shawcross's was a 50/50 and he was just late it was never a red card and the ref sent him off because of the injury rather than the tackle which is wrong. Fabregas's tackle from behind first half on Shawcross was worse. Also Campbell and Fabregas were more concerned with getting Shawcross sent off than helping Ramsey, Whelan was the first to help him. As a Stoke fan I remember Robbie Elliott breaking Delaps leg in two places on Delaps debut with a similar tackle, did Pulis moan or accuse Elliott of a horrendous tackle, no he accepted unfortunately these things happen in football and moved on, Wenger could learn a thing or two.

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  • 251. At 5:05pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    Jeffers, Wright, Wiltord, Van Bronkhorst, Gilberto Silva, Edu, Cygan, Silvestre (yeah ok, he came from us, but who's fault is that!)...

    When he spends money, its pretty much 50:50 whether he gets it right.

    Eduardo just isn't that special, that's all. Anyway the point is that Ramsey will be fine, but you're still clutching at straws to suggest it was more than unfortunate.

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  • 252. At 5:09pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    how long did it take you to compile all that, Stokie?
    are you suggesting that Arsenal are rubbish at injuring opponents?

    i just love when eejits want to disparage the victims in order to cover their guilt.

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  • 253. At 5:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Denis
    AS Bush Sr once said: Read my quips.
    I'm perfectly content for Wenger to rail about this. I'd be furious, too.
    There's no doubt Arsenal would be better for a few teams laying off them a bit and letting them knock it around and through and between them like a bunch of pegged out croquet hoops. But the idea that that's how teams should play against Arsenal is faintly ridiculous.

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  • 254. At 5:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, HarrysDisciple - 606 SOS wrote:

    70.

    obviously a lillywhite. you'll have to let me know when spurs "showed some fight" in a NLD

    -----------------------------

    I recall a recent game when Spurs scored twice in the final few mins to draw - that's fight. 5-1 in league semi final, equally good fight!

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  • 255. At 5:13pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    misfortune was exactly what i was suggesting, hence the brief list i gave!

    i'm not endorsing any conspiracy theory, just saying that Arsenal have had a ridiculous run of bad luck, and that has had a lot to do with their epic (5 year?) trophy drought.

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  • 256. At 5:14pm on 01 Mar 2010, HarrysDisciple - 606 SOS wrote:

    Robbo - re 200. I think you'll find you are the second most famous Robbo in that paragraph!

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  • 257. At 5:18pm on 01 Mar 2010, collie21 wrote:

    I reckon if you are a muppet you have to have a muppet haircut... rather than the haircut making you the muppet in the first place

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  • 258. At 5:18pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    cheers Robbo - i wasn't suggesting you've attacked Wenger like most.

    i've no hard feelings toward Shawcross - he looked pretty upset. might be nice to give an interview, or go visit the lad in person, rather than the standard statement release... kind of weak, no?

    i did love Wenger's quote "spare me the 'Shawcross is such a nice boy' stories"... totally cliche and patronizing to all involved.

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  • 259. At 5:21pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    Denis, worryingly but maybe not coincidentally, it also comes on the back of a long unbeaten run where teams DID let the "invincibles" play around them and where Arsenal enjoyed a long run of incredible luck in decisions.

    More importantly, however, it comes while the team has no hard man at their core, and thus they are known to be soft down the middle.

    Does this mean that teams go to injure them? Of course not. Does it mean teams go to shake the flair players a bit? I'll bet it does. But does that mean this was an example of that? No, no evidence to say that, it was just a 50:50 ball where Shawcross had been in possession but got too much on it and was merely chasing his own ball, while Ramsey got in to nick it by a fraction and ended up with a fracture.

    Like decisions going United's way from a referee who was generally pretty dire and with a history of bad decisions surrounding penalties and red cards, its easy to find a "consipiracy" to explain it, than to accept the beautiful but sometimes ugly reality that football is a contact sport, played in the PL at high pace with high committment, and these were two young lads intent only on winning the ball.

    The rest is seeing levels and intent where there was none.

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  • 260. At 5:21pm on 01 Mar 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    picking up on the Vidic issue.

    Worldwide ( apart from the odd manc living in Kenya ) its accepted...................................................................................................................................................................................................................

    second thought why waste my time.

    as for those peddling the nonesense " arsenal dont like it up em " may I respectfully remind you;

    it was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve

    but then thats another debate all together, guarenteed to get up the noses of quite a few and could induce the mods to come out in force.


    ponders options.


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  • 261. At 5:23pm on 01 Mar 2010, tone1947 wrote:

    87. At 3:13pm on 01 Mar 2010, lesjar wrote:

    Regarding VIDIC please read page 122 of official FIFA laws handbook.
    You will see that as shown below the law states 'whether to send off a player' meaning that it does not automatically mean a red card the decision rests with the referee.

    Referees should consider the following circumstances when deciding whether
    to send off a player for denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity:
    • the distance between the offence and the goal
    • the likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
    • the direction of the play
    • the location and number of defenders
    • the offence which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
    may be an offence that incurs a direct free kick or an indirect free kick

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    I can't see that anybody has commented on the above post.So I thought I would check it out and is correct. We write as armchair refs, but we dont check the laws.
    I think Dowd was quite right in his interpretation of this LAW, although a yellow would have been justified as well as the pen.

    I always tend to side with the ref, they, together with their linesmen dont always get it 100%, but because it is always under the spotlight from screaming fans, blinkered managers, numerous cameras and a media that wants to blow everythnig up to make news, they are always the ones who come under intense scrutiny.Not the player who makes a mistake, or the manager who gets it wrong.

    I'm with the ref 99% of the time

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  • 262. At 5:24pm on 01 Mar 2010, GenesisRed wrote:

    DG3: Never put off until tomorrow what you can do the day after tomorrow.
    Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

    That is, unless it is to bite at someone's WUMmery, in which case do it while the iron is hot!

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  • 263. At 5:25pm on 01 Mar 2010, southernstokie wrote:

    Ramsey is the victim Denis and no-ones trying to disparage him, just pointing out that under Wenger Arsenal have had a lot of dirty players, its just that whenever they make a dirty tackle or injure someone Wenger mysterioulsy never sees it. Henry's tackle was one of the most ridiculous lunges I've ever seen, two footed both feet high off the ground and in the last minute when Arsenal were winning which made it even more pointless. Shawcross made a genuine attempt to get the ball. And Arsenal have had there fair share of luck in the past. Pires dive at Pompey for example was a key point in their unbeaten season. I've got every sympathy with Ramsey but none with Wenger who has no right demanding Shawcross be banned for more than 3 games.

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  • 264. At 5:26pm on 01 Mar 2010, collie21 wrote:

    222. At 4:42pm on 01 Mar 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:
    206. At 4:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, Chip it like Vela wrote:
    Re comment 8: I couldn't agree more...There are so many good ball players in the English game but unfortunately the focus of British football has always been in developing players with certain attributes like physically tough, unflinching, combative...

    _________________________________________________________________________

    I can't think of a single national team that doesn't have its hard men as well as its flair players. It's nonsense to suggest this is a British disease. If there's a difference between British and continental footy it might be that the pace of the game is a lot faster and therefore the consequences of a mistimed tackle are all the more dangerous. But there are plenty of cynical cloggers around who weren't born in this country.

    ---------------------------
    Right quick then, name me a hard man Brazilian, and a hard man Austrian? See you can't can you?

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  • 265. At 5:26pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Gaz - i admitted as much when i included "Almunia getting fit" in my list of bad luck... not sure why he didn't stick with Vito, who looked quite good.

    GenRed - you're embarrassing yourself even more when you suggest Wiltord, Wright, Van Bronck, Gilberto were bad purchases. 50/50 would be more fitting as a generous ratio for your truth/rubbish output.

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  • 266. At 5:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, Pottering Through wrote:

    Regarding Wenger and his 'previous' on the state of the game

    Wenger, defending 11 Arsenal red cards in 37 matches. (In 2008)

    "the passion and commitment of the English game. You have to ask yourself if you want to take that out of the game here. When I watch a Serie A game, I’m bored after five minutes. If you want totally clean football, you’ll get bored."

    Now what happened was horrific but it was an accident. Just like the incident with Diaby and Nasri in pre season was.

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  • 267. At 5:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    GenRd - "and he ended up with a fracture."

    oh, is that what Ramsey ended up with? silly me, i thought he ended up with a foot hanging off a snapped leg, the sight of which brought most onlookers to tears.

    any tiny amount of credibility you had just vanished with that insulting understatement.

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  • 268. At 5:34pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    254. At 5:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, HarrysDisciple wrote:
    70.

    obviously a lillywhite. you'll have to let me know when spurs "showed some fight" in a NLD

    -----------------------------

    I recall a recent game when Spurs scored twice in the final few mins to draw - that's fight. 5-1 in league semi final, equally good fight!

    ---

    That´s your biggest acomplishments against us over the last 10 years, a draw and a win over the Carling Cup under 5´s team.

    Where´s the "fight" though?

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  • 269. At 5:37pm on 01 Mar 2010, U14345488 wrote:

    I think it's quite obvious why Arsenal keep receiving these bad injuries. Milk, or a lack of it.
    Wenger is well known for being lactose intolerant and insists that no Arsenal diets should include milk. Unfortunately this means the players are not getting enough calcium in their diets and therefore suffer from brittle bones. Apparently Freddie Ljunbergs aversion to dairy (He suffered terrible migraines if he ate cheese) led Wenger to believe that brittle bones was a small price to pay for guaranteeing players never fell ill to dairy. Unfortunately this latest injury has proved that this really isn't the case!

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  • 270. At 5:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    "Anyone who watched Footballers' Wives will remember what a load of nonsense it was: preposterous, shoddy, lowest common denominator entertainment."

    On a par with this latest excuse of a blog Robbo, one might say.

    A touch of the Bellamy with that comment.

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  • 271. At 5:40pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    shut up, JDR.

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  • 272. At 5:40pm on 01 Mar 2010, Eddy Cordoza wrote:

    Comedy Headline of the Year:
    "BENITEZ MOCKS BLACKBURN STYLE"
    A bit rich considering watching Liverpool this season has been more painful than root canal surgery!

    Comedy Quote of the Year:
    "I know what JT is like, everybody in football knows what he is like. That's off the field" (Craig Bellamy)
    Because as we all know, Bellamy is such an angel!

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  • 273. At 5:43pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colinus wrote:

    @222 Robbo.
    Just like to refer to this idea that "players going in hard" is a "British disease", and you reminded me of this article from a few years ago.

    "They play a very high-tempo game, where players squeeze right up and the ball is played very quickly. That sort of football is bound to bring errors, because the margins are so tight. You cannot blame the team for that and you certainly can't call them dirty."

    What's interesting is that this is not a British player excusing the hard tackling of Stoke or Bolton, but it is former Arsenal player Remi Garde, Wenger's first ever signing back in 96, and he is making excuses for the number of fouls and red cards attributed to the Arsenal team of one Mr A. Wenger.

    Even more interesting, Garde said in the same interview:
    "Arsène always accepted that he would only gain success in England if his team played the English way. Had Arsène come in and tried to change the fundamentals of the English game, I doubt he would have had the trophies in the cabinet."

    And now 5 years later, for whatever reason, he doesn't have the trophies in the cabinet.

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  • 274. At 5:44pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    So

    Heskey for England then?



    Was yesterdays final a cameo of what could have happened at the WC?


    Bring Heskey = He's there for the whole tournament, no one will notice, he will accomplish nothing and ultimately you will win nothing.

    Bring Owen = He comes on for half an hour, people notice, he will score, he will be out for the rest of the tournament. But at least you will win something.

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  • 275. At 5:45pm on 01 Mar 2010, adampsb wrote:

    225. At 4:46pm on 01 Mar 2010, Re-communicated wrote:
    221. At 4:41pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    Matrix 2? Bill and Ted 2?
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    Bill & Ted 2 wasn't that bad.

    Denis Ramsey had a fracture of the tibuia and fibula but no dislocation to the ankle and as the fractures are likely at diffrent angles his foot would not be "hanging off" as you put it. Was a radial or compound fracture as teh latter would leave the bone penetrating the skin as it did with David Busst so it could have been a lot worse for the young lad

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  • 276. At 5:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, adampsb wrote:

    Was yesterdays final a cameo of what could have happened at the WC?


    Bring Heskey = He's there for the whole tournament, no one will notice, he will accomplish nothing and ultimately you will win nothing.

    Bring Owen = He comes on for half an hour, people notice, he will score, he will be out for the rest of the tournament. But at least you will win something.
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    I would prefer the latter - only problem is that, like Berbatov, Owen plays better when he starts rather than as a sub. Still would prefer Rooney & Owen to Rooney & Heskey

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  • 277. At 5:51pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colinus wrote:

    264. At 5:26pm on 01 Mar 2010, collie21 wrote:
    222. At 4:42pm on 01 Mar 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:
    206. At 4:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, Chip it like Vela wrote:
    Re comment 8: I couldn't agree more...There are so many good ball players in the English game but unfortunately the focus of British football has always been in developing players with certain attributes like physically tough, unflinching, combative...

    _________________________________________________________________________

    I can't think of a single national team that doesn't have its hard men as well as its flair players. It's nonsense to suggest this is a British disease. If there's a difference between British and continental footy it might be that the pace of the game is a lot faster and therefore the consequences of a mistimed tackle are all the more dangerous. But there are plenty of cynical cloggers around who weren't born in this country.

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    Right quick then, name me a hard man Brazilian, and a hard man Austrian? See you can't can you?

    *****************

    As a fellow Boro fan, I'll field this one Robbo.

    Austrian hard man, one word, Pogatetz.

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  • 278. At 5:51pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 279. At 5:51pm on 01 Mar 2010, Damian wrote:

    people should leave wenger and rafa alone.....their moans and complaints about english football being too physical are simply borne out of their in ability to build a team that can actually complete in this league. rafa has never has success on this soil and wenger only really had success in the early days due to the players George Graham left behind!!

    they have to come up with these excuses and blame someone else in order to justify their big fat wages. if their employers could actually see what the rest of us decent football fans can see then they would be pennyless and out of a job.

    so come on, in times of hardship where far too many people are losing their jobs lets not single them out for this fair criticism, we could end up making the governments unemployment statistics even worse!

    ps - shawcross challenge was better timed and less malicious that Gallas on davies at bolton....what was it JT said about Bellamy!!!

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  • 280. At 5:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    overview of comments:

    Shawcross challenge was "better" than x,y,z from Arsenal players in past.

    Ramsey injury "could've been worse"

    at least the bone didn't pop out into his throat and bloodgeon him.

    Arsenal should probably be deducted points for being traumatised by another gruesome injury.

    a lot of you are really quite sick, you know that.

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  • 281. At 6:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    Perhaps its about time that our Domestic Cup semi/s and finals should be given over to Foriegn Officials, in fact come to think of it perhaps all
    PL matches should be officiated by those from other shores while our own Officials are sent abroad to make a balls up elsewhere.

    Mr Dean did a splendid job! and at last showed some real metal.

    Mr Dowd? he turned up with his boots.

    and as for ( just who was that in charge of the Stoke Arsenal game ) what can one say. I am all for letting the game flow but had he of acted a little sooner on some of the previous incidents I am of the view Ramsey would not now be laid up, Shawcross would not be faceing his 3 match ban. Surely these refs need to waft a few yellow cards just to give some players pause for thought and that as far as i can see is the problem particulary with some teams when they try and combat Arsenal's free flowing football. Its true to say it dont often work, but this is not helped by some of the so called " professional fouls " which prevent such football being played.

    allowed to go unchecked it sends out a message that anything goes and leads to clumsy and mistimed challenges which may not be intended but lead to serious injurys for all concerned.

    its not about giving Arsenal special rights or protection.

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  • 282. At 6:03pm on 01 Mar 2010, NearlyNeutral wrote:

    Scene at the Terry household:

    "Yes John, of course I've forgiven you, and to prove it I'll give you a nice new haircut."

    Oh how I laughed. It looked just like my son's first attempt at cutting his own hair.

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  • 283. At 6:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colinus wrote:

    **************

    You're right, I can't name any of these Brazillians but here's a selection of recent player brawls from top flight football in Brazil. Shy and retiring, they ain't.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBr6BQ5m6Y4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djnejLkBB9A
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/20/mass-brawl-brazil-brasil-ulbra

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  • 284. At 6:08pm on 01 Mar 2010, Theo Logical wrote:

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    It'd be nice to think we could prevent these things happening in a football match, but it's a contact sport and that carries its risks, horrible though Ramsey's injury is. Let's hope he makes a good recovery, as Eduardo appears to have done.
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    You can not prevent them, Robbo. But you sure can discourage them by having a longer ban on the players who go in late. And that is all Wenger is suggesting.

    That a tug on a striker's shirt when he is clean through and a double-fracture causing tackle both carry the same red card with the same 3 match ban is just not fair.

    And no, nobody is implying Shawcross meant it. I'm sorry if all this is getting to him and he left the field in tears. Maybe I can send him a Teddy Bear to clutch.

    In the Telegraph article you link, Pugh says he is confident Shawcross will get over it and be back soon. Unfortunately Ramsey's return will take a lot longer.

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  • 285. At 6:10pm on 01 Mar 2010, Ayoade Oluwasanmi wrote:

    I wonder if its only me, but I get the feeling that the majority of the people on this blog are silently saluting that great British player that is Ryan Shawcross. Little or no talent, but plenty of "heart", whatever that means. That's why there are hardly any British players playing outside the British Isles. I must have missed where they announced it as the latest game in England, you know that game where it's okay to break a players leg, especially when the player is an Arsenal player, because their all such softies, little Mummies boys all of them, just weaned from Mummies breast milk. I see some people talk of bad luck and not coincidence. If a players manager advises him to get in the other players face and stick it to him because he can't stand a few rough tackles, doesn't that automatically mean two things? One, that the player who has been so advised increases his chances of making a bad tacle? Two, does that also not increase the probability of the poor softy who can't stand a rough tackle, being at the receiving end of a tackle that WILLbreak his leg? People say Arsene is a whinger. I detect a wee bit of racism there though no one would admit it. Isn't he a whinger because he's unlucky enough to be French? Why isn't the great SAF a whinger, when he's always complaining about the refs and added time? Or is he allowed to cos he's British?

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  • 286. At 6:18pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    Ayoade Oluwasanmi - not an Arsenal fan by any chance? The lad made a clearance - it wasn't a bad tackle, just bad luck. Not only were Arsenal lucky to have Shawcross sent off the classless Wenger made him feel worse moreorless accusing him of deliberately going out of his way to foul the player which was patently not the case as anyone with two eyes in their head could see.

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  • 287. At 6:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @285 I think what people are saying is that the injury was unfortunate but the tackle from Shawcross wasn't malicious. Yes Wenger is a whinger. SAF is a whinger. Benitez is just becoming comical with his post match comments. I've started to listen to Wenger's interviews but instead of a french accent he has the accent of Harry Enfield's Kevin the Teenager......."It's so unfair. I have to play all the beautiful football around here. All those other teams are just so unfair for dring to play against us"

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  • 288. At 6:24pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    #273 - interesting quotes there Colinus.

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  • 289. At 6:25pm on 01 Mar 2010, hfhno1 wrote:

    63. At 2:56pm on 01 Mar 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    61. At 2:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, The Importance of Being Didier wrote:
    Nice one Robbo, best blog of the year. From ANY of the BBC boys.


    YOu've never read Phil McNulty clearly!


    funniest quote of the year from ANY of the BBC messageboard contributers

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  • 290. At 6:30pm on 01 Mar 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    I am being stalked by a McNulty Moderator.

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  • 291. At 6:31pm on 01 Mar 2010, The_Anfield_Iron wrote:

    Great Blog once again Robbo.

    Just like you to know that I've included you in our very own celebrity endorsements section of the In The Bag 2010 website because of your loyalty and staunch assessment of which team will inevitably triumph in 2010. It's a satirical look at how our boys are DEFINITELY gonna do it in South Africa, with sections for chants, amusing photoshops, magic england moments, propaganda and anything else our readers want to contribute.

    Take a look and tell me what you think.

    http://www.inthebag2010.co.uk/inthebag2010/Media/endorsements.eb

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  • 292. At 6:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, jon cav wrote:

    If the left back goes off isn't the centre-half supposed to fill the hole ?

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  • 293. At 6:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    this is My Last Post;

    cue mass bands of the Black Watch and the real David Gilmour strat solo.

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  • 294. At 6:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, joao_danado wrote:

    I think those that complain about Wenger's whingeing and the ludicrous argument that "It is a coincidence" have completely lost the point.
    It is no coincidence, it is a consequence.
    If it's all about the passion and commitment of the game, why does one team bear the brunt of it?
    Since the slow building of this "softer" side, Wenger has constantly complained that opposition kicks his team off the park. The media and general public reply that Wenger is a moaner and that simply boosts "English" managers to tell their players: 'have a go, they don't like it 'up them'. Obviously no young cumbersome British player has any intent on hurting a fellow professional. But when the managers give a free card to "rough play", then the player has washed his hands and has no restrain on his physical approach.
    And then...5 years, 3 horrific injuries. Not to mention RVP.
    You have to face up to the reality that the force that breaks a man's tibia and fibula should never be put into a challenge.
    I refuse to accept that a professional game between proper athletes and professionals should end in leg breaks.
    Sure, it happens, but so do road accidents, yet we all agree they should be prevented. And we don't condone those who CARELESSLY cause road accidents. Shawcross is at fault for unnecessary use of force and must be punished as such.
    Wonder how SAF would have reacted to a leg break on his side.
    Wonder how the public would have reacted if it had happened to Rooney.
    Ahaha, after all it is a funny old game...

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  • 295. At 6:51pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

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  • 296. At 6:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    292. At 6:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, jon cav wrote:
    If the left back goes off isn't the centre-half supposed to fill the hole ?


    dunno John Terry is the expert on those issues

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  • 297. At 6:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @294 You kind of negate your whole argument by mentioning Robin Van Persie who if I'm not very much mistaken was injured playing for Holland against Italy. I didn't realise that Italy had an English manager who realising that Van Persie played for Arsenal instructed the English players in the Italian team 'have a go, they don't like it 'up them'

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  • 298. At 6:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    "Sure, it happens, but so do road accidents, yet we all agree they should be prevented. And we don't condone those who CARELESSLY cause road accidents. Shawcross is at fault for unnecessary use of force and must be punished as such."

    Watch the incident - you will see it was an attempted clearance. Neither backed out and unfortunately Ramsey was badly injured as a consequence - this was not the same as the brutal clumsy challenge on Eduardo. This is not a consequence of the game in England. Broken legs happen in every league in the world. Its unfortunate but it happens in football - apparently not to Wenger's team though.

    And Tom Halstead #8 - it is not a "British" problem as you suggest with your selective choice of instances. Alan Smith suffered a horrendous broken leg at the hands of John Arne Riise under a team managed by Benitez!

    Annoying knee jerk reactions by too many people on here with only a smattering of truth.

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  • 299. At 7:06pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    298. At 6:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:
    Annoying knee jerk reactions by too many people on here with only a smattering of truth.
    --------------------------------------------

    Knee jerk? Not something that Aaron Ramsey's right leg will be doing any time soon.

    What? Too soon?

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  • 300. At 7:06pm on 01 Mar 2010, VF wrote:

    I hope the lad (Ramsey) gets a bit of luck and has a good recovery.It took me 6 months to walk again and another 2 months to walk properly after suffering a similar injury.

    Do players mean to "take you out"?Some do Im sure,but the majority don't.If you have committed players you will have injuries,players will miss time tackles.I personally dont think that Shawcross had any malice in that challenge he was caught out by Ramsey's skill and pace.

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  • 301. At 7:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    As an Arsenal player, I'm gutted for Ramsey.

    I'm also gutted for Shawcross, because I do not believe he had or has an ounce of malice in him and he looked devastated.

    But Ramsey was devastated too, not just emotionally but physically.

    Wenger is not wrong to say that the tackle was "unacceptable". Those who disagree might want to test the inverse: Do you think Shawcross' tacks was ACCEPTABLE?

    Better yet, ask Shawcross! Do you think Shawcross is walking away from this, crying, saying "Oh, yeah, that was neither horrendous nor unacceptable. It was acceptable. That's why I'm crying."

    The solution is not, of course, to eliminate tackling from the game, and no one here is suggesting that.

    A fair solution would be compensation. Stoke pays the hospital bill, or an arbitrator determines what a just settlement would be in terms of wages, etc.

    Or, Shawcross could perform a gesture such as donating money to a charity as a show of remorse.

    Incidentally, Taylor visited Eduardo in the hospital. Perhaps Shawcross should do that.

    Those suggesting that Arsenal players somehow deserve injuries because they are weak have probably never played football. Come by my place in Islington, if you'd like, and see what happens to your shin if I go through it at a sprinting pace. Oh, never mind. Like most Spurs fans, you probably live in New York. I forgot.

    Anyhow, Shawcross is a great lad. I of course hope Ramsey recovers but as a fan of the game as much as a fan of Arsenal I hope that Shawcross recovers as well, for the guilt must be overwhelming.

    In terms of the match as a whole, my one complaint is that the ball boys have towels and Delap's throws take way too long. My mate and I were there and at one point we started timing them. One throw in on my mate's watch was 34 seconds, on my watch 32 seconds. And he's a Stoke fan, mind you. Ridiculous. He should have been booked for that, or at least given a stern warning. Until someone phones up Pulis and tells him what is within and what is not within the bounds of fair play, Stoke will keep doing this nonsense. Don't get me wrong, I like Delap, but he cannot be allowed to take that long to throw the ball in. Keepers get yellows quite easily. I have yet to see Delap get cautioned. I reckon the referees enjoy the breather.

    If the refs don't do something, I suggest the following.

    Ball boys away from Stoke: When Delap gets the ball, pour a whole bottle of water on it. See what he does then. If Stoke ball boys are armed with towels, other stadia's ball boys should be armed with bottles of water.

    Alright, rant over.

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  • 302. At 7:08pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colinus wrote:

    #299

    To be fair Smith broke his leg by falling awkwardly, but totally agree that there is no undercurrent of malice in England, I've put numerous posts on here trying to convince people that English players are no different to other countries players overall. People want to believe this one incident is part of something it isn't.

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  • 303. At 7:09pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    blimey what a yawnfest

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  • 304. At 7:09pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    103. At 3:26pm on 01 Mar 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:
    Hellfire, I think we can forgive Wenger being a tad over-emotional after this one. I would find it hard to pat Shawcross on the back, hand him a box of Kleenex and say 'on the plus side you're in the England squad'!
    -----
    Gotta thank you for this Robbo old mate, It´s nice to see that someone other than an Arsenal fan can see that emotions were running high after that incident and Wengers reaction was what was to be expected from a manager that had just witnessed a career threating injury to yet another one of his charges.

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  • 305. At 7:09pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    A change of subject?

    How about the biblical level of bitching by Pompey fans because HMRC are hauling them to court to challenge their voluntary Administration:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8544183.stm

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  • 306. At 7:10pm on 01 Mar 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    Howler! I meant Arsenal fan. As I am sure you will know.

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  • 307. At 7:10pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    "299. At 7:06pm on 01 Mar 2010, ColchesterFC wrote:
    298. At 6:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:
    Annoying knee jerk reactions by too many people on here with only a smattering of truth.
    --------------------------------------------

    Knee jerk? Not something that Aaron Ramsey's right leg will be doing any time soon.

    What? Too soon?
    "

    Colch - noone wants to see that kind of injury especially to a young lad. There might be the odd couple of players who you wouldn't mind it happening to too much though...

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  • 308. At 7:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    long posts

    still on topic 300 posts on

    round and round in jerky little circles

    have i accidentally stumbled into the guardian sports blog?

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  • 309. At 7:14pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    TBD while I don't agree with the compensation plan (your not a yank are you) - I love the idea about ballboys with water bottles, although its only at Stoke that the ballboys have towels.

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  • 310. At 7:14pm on 01 Mar 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    Robbo, your thoughts on Delap's delays? Am I right on this? Towels are within the rules, fair enough. So are water bottles. Douse the ball each time it goes out.

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  • 311. At 7:15pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @307 Is that Noone (Plymouth) or no-one who wants to see that kind of injury?

    So then UD who would make your list? I give you Bellamy, Bowyer, Cashley and Lee Hughes.

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  • 312. At 7:16pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    We can talk about RBA's Teatime XI if you want Blog.

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  • 313. At 7:16pm on 01 Mar 2010, joao_danado wrote:

    #297 - Colchester FC
    Apologise for inflicting RVP's case. Got carried away. But yeah, keep using irony to disregard a whole argued point that you don't want to read or acknowledge. Your answer is perfect, sums up what you probably think.

    #298 - United Dreamer
    Agree it was an attempted clearance. But that carried unnecessary force. Also agree that was the most unfortunate of the 3 horrific injuries Arsenal players suffered. But neverthless, and coming from a bully side like Stoke, my point is that teams do take a more physical approach against Arsenal, and when players have their managers' blessing to get tough, they occasionaly have no restraint on their use of force.

    Plus, I strongly believe players that seriously injure others should stay away from the game as long as it takes for the other to recover. Accident? Maybe. But this sort of decision would drastically reduce the "accidents" around.


    Poor teams kick Arsenal. Good teams abdicate play and hit them on the counter. Hardly any team comes out to play

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  • 314. At 7:18pm on 01 Mar 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    " Ball boys away from Stoke: "

    apparently when they play away they dont get given towels seems all other managers are just as miffed about this blatent time wasteing tactic as of course are the supporters.

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  • 315. At 7:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, cpeskett wrote:

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  • 316. At 7:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    Actually I thought the worst tackle I I have seen for a couple of seasons was on the Everton lad, Anichebe. He never broke his leg but how he didn't God alone knows. Although that was by an English player, Nolan.

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  • 317. At 7:20pm on 01 Mar 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    UD--that's my point. The boys at Stoke have towels. So if Stoke is visiting you, arm your ball boys with water bottles. Ball goes out, drench it, hand to Rory, see what he does in response. It would be hilarious.

    As for compensation--no, I'm not a yank! (Cf. my comment about Spurs fans living in New York!) I just think it is a decent solution. I mean, personally, what benefit is it to anyone, to the game particularly, that Shawcross sits out 3 games? It's an eo ipso punishment, of course, but his conduct was not violent--the outcome was violent but the conduct was not.

    What's the solution then? I just don't see anyway around it. I think the driving analogy is a sound one. I don't have a license and I don't know how to drive--the mere thought of it terrifies me. So I don't do it. Besides, I walk or cycle or take the tube everywhere I go. This is London.

    By analogy, if you do not ever want an injury, do not ever play football. I'm not saying Ramsey shouldn't play; but sadly it is just part of the game. With that said, I do think that some creative solution should be in place, especially one which does not punish someone like Shawcross individually but perhaps the team collectively.

    Like my water bottle solution. Stoke, when will you go down?

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  • 318. At 7:21pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    Colch - thats a decent list although JT might just pip Cashley for me. And noone as in no single (right minded) person. And a few wrong minded people.

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  • 319. At 7:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    " Ball boys away from Stoke: When Delap gets the ball, pour a whole bottle of water on it. See what he does then. If Stoke ball boys are armed with towels, other stadia's ball boys should be armed with bottles of water. "


    Superglue would be better.

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  • 320. At 7:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    yes please star. entertain me with with after tea biscuit repartee. meanwhile i'll try to think of a joke about jaffas and footballers wives. im absolutely knackered and reading and re-reading 13 ways of Looking at a Broken Leg hasnt helped. never read such a load of neuticals in all me chuff.

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  • 321. At 7:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    UD 316:

    I remember that I think. And Nolan was profusely apologetic and gutted if I recall correctly. Was this 2006? When Nolan had a blog here?

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  • 322. At 7:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, tone1947 wrote:

    281. At 6:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    Perhaps its about time that our Domestic Cup semi/s and finals should be given over to Foriegn Officials, in fact come to think of it perhaps all
    PL matches should be officiated by those from other shores while our own Officials are sent abroad to make a balls up elsewhere.

    Mr Dean did a splendid job! and at last showed some real metal.
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    Why? we have very good referees , we dont need foreign officials for domestic games
    Agreed a plus for Dean, last thurs, he reffed the PSV v HSV game, and after giving a gobby PSV player a yellow, who then pushed him in the chest, Dean then gave him a red, then spent about 5 mins shaking his head not understanding how stupid players can be

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  • 323. At 7:23pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    Worst tackle/ leg break has to be David Busst.

    NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byOKCMQpxKo

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  • 324. At 7:24pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    "Good teams abdicate play and hit them on the counter. Hardly any team comes out to play "

    Oi! I saw what you did there. But the reality is good teams adapt their tactics to the circumstance they find themselves in.

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  • 325. At 7:25pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

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  • 326. At 7:28pm on 01 Mar 2010, cpeskett wrote:

    Blogdignag,

    Was that really necessary? Did you so desparately need to take up 2 whole screens worth of nothingness, making the blog less readable?

    Seriously?

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  • 327. At 7:28pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    313. At 7:16pm on 01 Mar 2010, joao_danado wrote:
    #297 - Colchester FC
    Apologise for inflicting RVP's case. Got carried away. But yeah, keep using irony to disregard a whole argued point that you don't want to read or acknowledge. Your answer is perfect, sums up what you probably think.
    Agree it was an attempted clearance. But that carried unnecessary force. Also agree that was the most unfortunate of the 3 horrific injuries Arsenal players suffered. But neverthless, and coming from a bully side like Stoke,
    --------------------------------------------------------

    I think it was an unfortunate accident and regardless of what the government or guardian readers in this country think accidents do happen. I don't think it was mailicious. I don't even think it deserved a red card. I think the ref got it wrong and sent him off based on the severity of the injury rather than the challenge.

    And a "bully team" like Stoke? What about a bully team like Arsenal with Viera, Keown, Adams, Wright etc who were perfectly happy to kick teams off the pitch to win. It's a clear case of double standards when Wenger starts complaining that his team get kicked a lot.

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  • 328. At 7:29pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    326. At 7:28pm on 01 Mar 2010, cpeskett wrote:
    Blogdignag,

    Was that really necessary? Did you so desparately need to take up 2 whole screens worth of nothingness, making the blog less readable?

    Seriously?
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    You're quite right. I apologise. Im in the wrong frame of mind for this.

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  • 329. At 7:29pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    Star - again whats your new blog name gonna be? I aint going close to clicking that link - I remember the photos of it.

    TBD - I had to check. It was last year according to the link. Is that right?

    http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/02/23/1123784/everton-optimistic-over-victor-anichebe-injury

    I thought it was longer ago myself as well.

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  • 330. At 7:30pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    Are you talking about JT blog?

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  • 331. At 7:30pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @325 Evening Blog. I've got one question for you. Did you write the first two lines and then copy and paste or did you type all that out?

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  • 332. At 7:30pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    sorry

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    no really I am, this is childish. tee hee..

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  • 333. At 7:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    colch

    (slaps forehead) copy and paste! aaaargh.

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  • 334. At 7:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    no, pray continue....

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  • 335. At 7:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 336. At 7:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    That was a bad tackle by Shawcross wasnt it?

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  • 337. At 7:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, glazierNOWeagle wrote:

    #266 Collie21 "Right quick then, name me a hard man Brazilian, and a hard man Austrian? See you can't can you?
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    I used to live in Brazil, so here's one I think could be considered "hard". Did you ever see Dunga play? Not exactly a shrinking violet.
    As for Austria, wasn't that Hitler bloke a bit hard.

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  • 338. At 7:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    Good to see Blog getting into his stride tonight.

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  • 339. At 7:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    336. At 7:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:
    That was a bad tackle by Shawcross wasnt it?
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    Oh no it wasn't

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  • 340. At 7:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, pitchside wrote:

    Well done Wayne Bridge Well done City
    It Always makes me laugh that the london based media feel that the god given right is too protect all things crap.

    The only thing i hope is that Chekski keep nose diving into the mire.

    Lets also hope that Telly head Bruce and football Sam Blackburn,Never ever get mentioned again for the England Job

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  • 341. At 7:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    TWD

    "Ball boys away from Stoke: When Delap gets the ball, pour a whole bottle of water on it. See what he does then. If Stoke ball boys are armed with towels, other stadia's ball boys should be armed with bottles of water."

    Briliant idea, but why stop there. They can also use the bottled water to spit on Darth pulis, although a normal jolly green grolly would suffice.

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  • 342. At 7:41pm on 01 Mar 2010, joao_danado wrote:

    #324 - United Dreamer
    Maybe you're right. Maybe that's a good sign from the top teams. After all, winning at all matters isn't it? Well now I apologise if I'm being picky, but how do you describe Chelsea's two legged semis against Barça last season, or Man U entertaining Arsenal at home this season? So how does it stand to accept at your own backyard that the other team is better at playing football so all you do is stifle them? It's not my cup of tea, but hey, since the game is all about winning. Give Delap a towel...

    #327 - Colchester FC
    Wenger's first two sides were more physical than the currently one. But they were always committed to football. I don't know how that makes amends. Perhaps it doesn't. But that same "bully" side won the Double in playing spetacular stuff

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  • 343. At 7:41pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    337 GNE

    did hitler play football? I didnt know.

    what genocide did he play for?

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  • 344. At 7:44pm on 01 Mar 2010, cpeskett wrote:

    H2H:

    That Vanessa is the mother of Bridge's kid does not negate the fact that she was not in a relationship with Bridge when she had the affair. As I said, I can understand Bridge's emotional distress, but ethically and legally, he had no say. The child is a very unfotunate part of the actual breakup. It sucks for the parents of young children to be estranged, whether they were married or not.

    I have dated my friends' ex's, and had the same done to me. It happens sometimes, and you feel bad about it when it happens to you, but you don't have ownership, and your friends really don't need to ask permission. It is awfully nice if they do, and while you want to say no, you really don't have a leg to stand on.

    This does not excuse Terry having the affair in the first place. No matter what, an extra-marital affair is just not right. I say, if your love for your spouse is not enough to keep you from wandering, then maybe you shouldn't be married, or if there is something missing, then maybe you need to talk to each other...God forbid...:)

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  • 345. At 7:44pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @342 So what you're saying is that it's ok to kick the opposition as long as you play good football and win trophies? But if you're a little team like Stoke then you're not allowed to do it?

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  • 346. At 7:45pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    341. At 7:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    TWD

    "Ball boys away from Stoke: When Delap gets the ball, pour a whole bottle of water on it. See what he does then. If Stoke ball boys are armed with towels, other stadia's ball boys should be armed with bottles of water."

    Briliant idea, but why stop there. They can also use the bottled water to spit on Darth pulis, although a normal jolly green grolly would suffice.

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    But water would make him melt like the Wicked Witch of the West, no?

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  • 347. At 7:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, ElBuho wrote:

    Funny how everyone's forgotten about Shawcross's tackles on Jeffers a few years ago and Adebayor not too long ago. Broke Jeffers' leg as well. He's got a history, maybe on Saturday he wasn't being malicious, that doesn't take away the fact he tackles late and dangerously, does it?

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  • 348. At 7:49pm on 01 Mar 2010, cpeskett wrote:

    Could a history of bad tackles indicate a lack of tackling ability, like, say, Paul Scholes? Some people just totally suck at it...like Paul Scholes. Of course, when Scholesy makes one of his usual screwups and catches someone badly, all of the media just say "oh, we all know Scholes can't tackle..." Maybe there is a gap in training involved here...

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  • 349. At 7:50pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @347 The tackle on Ramsey was neither late nor dangerous. Why can't Arsenal fans accept it was an unfortunate accident. Yes, the tackles on Diaby and Eduardo were late and dangerous but this one wasn't. Get over it and realise that you've had players who were far more malicious and intent on injuring the opposition than Shawcross.

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  • 350. At 7:51pm on 01 Mar 2010, wizmaster wrote:

    "Watch the incident - you will see it was an attempted clearance. Neither backed out and unfortunately Ramsey was badly injured as a consequence - this was not the same as the brutal clumsy challenge on Eduardo. This is not a consequence of the game in England. Broken legs happen in every league in the world. Its unfortunate but it happens in football - apparently not to Wenger's team though."

    "attempted clearance" - from the half way line? there is no excuse to go in that hard when someone's career is potentially on the line. the best that could have happened was ramsey's foot would have been arial and even then there would probably have been some damage. Ramsey nicked tha ball past shawcross, if he hadn't got there first there is no way shawcross would have broken HIS leg. Shawcross went in like that because its the way he plays and reflects his lack of caring about consequences - until the worst actually happens of course, rather like speeding. Its not like its his first offence: http://content.thisis.co.uk/sentinel07/homepage/ad_panel/sentinel_backpage.pdf

    "Its unfortunate but it happens in football - apparently not to Wenger's team though." Well its happened 3 times in 4 years under Wenger, excuse him being upset! I thought his reaction was very restrained under the circumstances. And it shouldn't happen in football. I know very very occasionally very bad accidents can happen (Alan Smith, David Busst and the somewhat fortunate John Terry in the League Cup final a few years back) but they shouldn't happen as regularly as they do.

    This sort of thing is very bad PR for the game and may alas result in Platini's stated aim of making football a non-contact sport actually happening. And almost no one, even Wenger, wants that.

    Its like in F1, where all drivers accept there is some risk involved, and yet since 94 everything possible has been done to protect the drivers from anything except the most freakish of accidents. Safe tackling (and safe "clearances") should be encouraged and severe punishments given for any tackle that is liable to endanger someone more than is necessary.

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  • 351. At 7:52pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    As I said the other day it comes dowm to physics. You had Shawcross charging in at the ball at top speed and Ramsay charging in at top speed coming in the other way.

    That sort of head on speed it doesn't take all that much of a mistake for one of them to come off with one hell of an injury.

    They both played their part, but it turns out we're talking about Ramsay with the ruined leg and not Shawcross. It really could have gone either way.

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  • 352. At 7:52pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    344. At 7:44pm on 01 Mar 2010, cpeskett wrote
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    Good arguement.

    A bit of a scummy thing to do to a mate though!

    But I was serious, has it been proved that the affair happened after they broke up? (I really don´t know)

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  • 353. At 7:55pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    #342 - can't argue about our home performance against you - we were chronic. I thought you were talking about the battering we gave you at the emirates;)

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  • 354. At 7:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    322. At 7:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, tone1947 wrote:

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    Hi there.

    I saw your piece about the refs earlier

    I would like to see more like Mr Dean he's not scared to make the " big "
    decisions, his handling of the Chelsea/Stoke game was top notch stuff.

    I know they come in for a lot of stick and have to make thier minds up in seconds but that display by Mr Dowd was very poor and M'oN has every right to be mistified and aggrieved about that Vidic incident. What I found astonishing was the fact he was wafting yellow cards at Villa players with gay abandon yet was only giving verbal warnings to B'd U players. My previous post was deleted as it obviously got up the nose's of the united brigade they dont " like it up em " either it seems all these " knee jerk reactions " from some of them beggars belief.

    Come on Milan.

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  • 355. At 8:01pm on 01 Mar 2010, southernstokie wrote:

    Elbuho get your facts right, Jeffers didn't break his leg at all.

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  • 356. At 8:01pm on 01 Mar 2010, Frisky2good wrote:

    I sincerely hope that regardless of how long it takes Ramsey to recover, he will still be able to play football. However, I think it's time to swing the pendulum in favour of victims of career threatening challenges such as this. I think any footballer that injures another footballer on the pitch (intentionally or unintentionally) should be banned from playing for as long as it will take the victim to recover from the injury and come back to the game.

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  • 357. At 8:01pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    350 Wiz,

    Good retort on "the clearance" issue, I thought that was a iwerd thing to say too, especially because the ball was at least 10 yards or so within the Arsenal half.

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  • 358. At 8:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    You mean to say Dowd was a biased useless prat of a ref DG3?

    I called him worse on Wikipedia yesterday, mind.

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  • 359. At 8:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    77. At 3:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    I give you this real statistic...

    In the history of The Premier League there is a disciplinary table logging how many yellow and red cards each team has got. One team has consistently been and remains at the bottom of this table, currently with 968 yellows and 54 reds (giving them a total of 68 more than their nearest rivals). Who is this team, this paragon of virtue and fair play? None other than those 'beautiful footballers' from North London, aka The Gooners.
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    Gaz, can you give a reference as to where to find those stats mate... have googled them but nothing shows... think I must be entering the wrong search criteria.

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  • 360. At 8:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    "Its like in F1, where all drivers accept there is some risk involved, and yet since 94 everything possible has been done to protect the drivers from anything except the most freakish of accidents."

    Steady on! Noone's getting killed! There's a difference - football is a lot safer than it used to be in this country but a clash of styles makes for a more interesting game but broken legs will always happen regardless. No legislation will stop it. The speed of the game in the premiership will make for a more exciting spectacle but injuries will be more prevalent as a result.

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  • 361. At 8:08pm on 01 Mar 2010, dentheman wrote:

    ROBBO.Re number 11.Well as a Northern lad,I was brought up on running cold water(down the walls)and with regard to electricity we only got that when we could tap into the street lamps.A 2 pixel camera is fantastic one up here Lad, are you sure they make them at 12Pix?;BUT we would not expect a Bookie,other than a Southern one giving any odds on that Hand Shake ever taking place.We would have taken his money and 'BROKE' him.NOW then lad just to talk about something that is important in the GAME.Terrys possible replacement,Shawcross,is a clean player and no way would he injure a fellow player on purpose.I hope that he does play this week and that he has not lost his confidence and thus plays well.Accidents do happen in the game ,very sad but true.

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  • 362. At 8:09pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    86. At 3:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:

    This is sure to spark debate, I actually think Darren Fletcher is better than Gerrard now - certainly more effective, although I concede they are different types of players so making a comparision is difficult.
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    Now there's a surprise, a Un**ed fan thinking one of their players is better than others... what is it all coming to.

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  • 363. At 8:09pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Try this Bo......

    85. At 3:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, you wrote:
    Interesting facts and figures...........

    http://www.myfootballfacts.com/PremierLeagueDiscipline1992-93to2009-10.html

    Arsenal it would seem aren't all angels and nancy boys.

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  • 364. At 8:11pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    355. At 8:01pm on 01 Mar 2010, southernstokie wrote:
    Elbuho get your facts right, Jeffers didn't break his leg at all.
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    Are you sure?

    http://www.swfc.co.uk/page/Gaffers/0,,10304~1148029,00.html

    At least do some research before telling others to get their facts right!

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  • 365. At 8:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, joao_danado wrote:

    #345 - Colchester FC
    You're dragging me off the point. If you want to undermine my thoughts by rendering me to contradictions, you will probably achieve that. I've already stated my points and read yours. I think this is going stale

    #342 - United Dreamer
    Well, I believe that Man U were brilliant on the emirates fixture. Neverthless, I believe that big teams should take the game when at home, regardless of opponents.

    #350 - wizmaster
    Spot on. I have been trying to convey the same idea, but perhaps my writing has let me down. "Shawcross went in like that because its the way he plays and reflects his lack of caring about consequences". That's just perfect.
    The kid is not malicious. He just has no idea the amount of power he puts into his tackles is unnecessary and might shatter someone's bones. Until he actually does it.

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  • 366. At 8:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    #363 - Arsenal are only top alphabetically...

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  • 367. At 8:13pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    #365 - as I say no arguments - we were cack at home.

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  • 368. At 8:15pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    Everton are top of that list Colch with teams like West Ham and Blackburn with a higher tally despite not always being in the top flight. Pity - I wanted to agree with you there!

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  • 369. At 8:16pm on 01 Mar 2010, Wengers Optician wrote:

    I love the fact people think Arsene Wenger is whining because Arsenal fans are complaining. We dont represent Wenger you kow.

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  • 370. At 8:16pm on 01 Mar 2010, glazierNOWeagle wrote:

    #359 BojanglesOfOz
    Re stats. See #85 Colchester FC added this really good link.
    http://www.myfootballfacts.com/PremierLeagueDiscipline1992-93to2009-10.html

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  • 371. At 8:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Bo just asked where the stats were. I found them earlier so re-posted it. I never said Arsenal were top. I said thay were bad in the days of Viera/bergkamp etc and that Wenger was guilty of double standards.

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  • 372. At 8:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    363 Colch,

    now you´re just wumming mate.

    Using statistics that are from the start of the PL mean nothing today.

    There are statistics that would tell you that Blackburn are the 4th most succesfull team in the PL because they one it once. (1 0f 4 teams that have) Does that make them a bigger or better team then L'pool?

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  • 373. At 8:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Not me H2H. Someone posted earlier that Arsenal were top of the red card list. I just found the stats and posted the link.

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  • 374. At 8:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    358. At 8:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

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    Hi there.

    I am indeed but I have to tread carefully I suggested much worse than bias which provoked the wrath of the Modulators and got Modulated with lots of Reverb and Chorus to boot.

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  • 375. At 8:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    372 one = won

    D'oh

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  • 376. At 8:23pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    372. At 8:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Does that make them a bigger or better team then L'pool?

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    Yes

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  • 377. At 8:25pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    111. At 3:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, Joe wrote:

    Personally I think Wayne Bridges needs to grow up and get over it....
    John Terry showed he was the bigger man on saturday!
    In all aspects of life personal business should be kept away from the work place...
    All footballers these days need to start setting examples to the younger generation.
    =================================

    All I can say is... B0ll0x.

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  • 378. At 8:27pm on 01 Mar 2010, cpeskett wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 379. At 8:27pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    "There are statistics that would tell you that Blackburn are the 4th most succesfull team in the PL because they one it once. (1 0f 4 teams that have) Does that make them a bigger or better team then L'pool?"

    Yes!

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  • 380. At 8:29pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    Damn - GazUtd - the damned GazUtd. It was too juicy to let up forgot to refresh the other posts!

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  • 381. At 8:29pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    OK Colch, we cool bro'!
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    376. At 8:23pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    372. At 8:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Does that make them a bigger or better team then L'pool?

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    Yes

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    Ha Ha, The moment I posted this, I thought Gaz would jump on it if he was about.

    Bingo!

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  • 382. At 8:29pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    This is just pathetic...

    http://www.viddler.com/explore/failblog/videos/463/31.571/

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  • 383. At 8:30pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    LOL H2H and UD

    I am like an omnipitent being whenever there is a chance for Scouse wummery!

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  • 384. At 8:31pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    H2H - we're not gonna let that bait go begging... If you were honest you'd agree!

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  • 385. At 8:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    377. At 8:25pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    All I can say is... B0ll0x.

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    Am I rubbing off on you there Bo?

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  • 386. At 8:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    sorry Gaz, its clear from this that the omnipotent being that was hitler in his own mind was NOT a united fan. important historical document
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2_83ArFH_M&feature=related

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  • 387. At 8:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    Anyway stats never lie - the conclusions do.

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  • 388. At 8:37pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    and i blame teacher tom halstead for poisoning our childrens minds with this misinformation http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2716633/Kids-think-Adolf-Hitler-was-a-German-football-coach-shock-survey-reveals.html

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  • 389. At 8:37pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    Blog its what I have said for a while - most glory hunters are LIVERPOOL fans.

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  • 390. At 8:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 391. At 8:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    390. At 8:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, ColchesterFC wrote:

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    I knew someone would come up with that ... ah well, still better than being accused of supporting Chelsea :P

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  • 392. At 8:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    378. cpeskett

    OK mate, thanks for that. As for the whole affair (all puns intended) the media took it and ran with it and ran and ran and......
    If JT´s mrs decides to stay with him, then in my opinion she deserves everything she gets.

    380 UD.

    Gotta be quicker to insult L´pool when Gaz is about. "Let no opportunity go wasted" is his motto.

    382 Gaz

    Is that the school Robbie Keane went to to master his "somersalt" goal celebrations?

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  • 393. At 8:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Bloggiddiddy - There is only one Hitler video fit to grace Robbo's blog. It's been a while since it was posted too...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-vWr8zr588

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  • 394. At 8:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    #389 - response to #386. For the little it matters.

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  • 395. At 8:40pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    My posts on the previous blog about you being a "happy" Chelsea fan got modded for some reason. Admittedly i used the old fashioned word for happy which rhymes with "gay".

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  • 396. At 8:41pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Rafa OUT, Hitler IN ???

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  • 397. At 8:42pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    CFC did you mean to say rhymes with "day" or is "lay" another word for happy?

    Anyways you'll probably be modded

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  • 398. At 8:43pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    @396 ... What happened to 'Save Rafa' then? ;)

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  • 399. At 8:44pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @397 Evening Gaz. I think you'll find that "gay" rhymes with "gay"

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  • 400. At 8:44pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    I've just seen an advert on tv where Wayne Rooney is playing with himself with his shirt off.


    Seriously!

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  • 401. At 8:44pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 402. At 8:45pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    #393 - thanks there Gaz - never saw that the first time round. Hilarious.

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  • 403. At 8:45pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Starfire, SAVE RAFA / Hitler for Pool manager.

    Either is good with me.


    Although come to think of it Hitler would probably do a better job.

    SAVE RAFA it is then!

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  • 404. At 8:45pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    400 FIFA10?

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  • 405. At 8:46pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    CFC - you are correct sir. Well played.

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  • 406. At 8:46pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    400. At 8:44pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    I've just seen an advert on tv where Wayne Rooney is playing with himself with his shirt off.


    Seriously!

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    For the love of all things holy ...Don't post a link ... I don't want to have to wash my eyes out with sulphuric acid.

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  • 407. At 8:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    404 - H2H, no it was for Powerade.

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  • 408. At 8:48pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/feb/16/wayne-rooney-powerade-advert

    Eyewash at the ready

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  • 409. At 8:48pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    "I don't want to have to wash my eyes out with sulphuric acid."

    Really - Arsene swears by it.

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  • 410. At 8:50pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    403 Gaz.

    There records in Europe are about the same though. A few big victories to start with followed by constant disappointment.

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  • 411. At 8:51pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    Oh dear ... I'll have to go get a braille keyboard now ...

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  • 412. At 8:51pm on 01 Mar 2010, NEARPOSTHEADER wrote:

    I don't think a list of red cards can be taken as a true representation of how dirty a team is - after all, it must include all those double yellows dished out for the heinous crimes of taking one's shirt off after scoring, not retreating 10 yards, etc. and a fair few reds are given for the offender being the last man or handball on the goal line.
    It must be time for the FA/UEFA/FIFA to take a more realistic line in how players are punished, i.e. sinbins, etc. and to get tougher on divers. How Eboue escaped a yellow for his Swan Lake death scene I'll never know.

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  • 413. At 8:52pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Yes H2H, and the zonal marking system has failed both of them miserably. Hitler should have had a man on the Normandy post.

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  • 414. At 8:53pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @408 I still don't understand the Mods. Ga posts a link to a video of Wayne Rooney with his shirt off playing with himself and that's ok. A couple of blogs ago I posted a link to a video of Angelina Jolie with her shirt off playing with herself and got modded for it. I think the Mods must be referees in their spare time judging by the lack of consistency.

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  • 415. At 8:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Why would anyone want to buy a drink that doesn't contain alcohol or cyanide after watching that?

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  • 416. At 8:56pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    There's a surprise ... my comment about mods and refs got yanked.

    Mind I reckon one of the prequisites for being a mod on here is the ability to get off playing the role of a mini Fuhrer as they stamp a poor user's often well constructed comment into cyber oblivion.

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  • 417. At 8:56pm on 01 Mar 2010, glazierNOWeagle wrote:

    I wish I hadn't brought Hilter into this. I mentioned it once and thought I got away with it. But he really is the only Austrian hard man I can think of. Now that Schwartzenegger is a Caleeefornian.

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  • 418. At 8:57pm on 01 Mar 2010, Imagine Reason wrote:

    Poor column. Don't you see, Robbo, that the tackles that are allowed in England and outlawed elsewhere necessarily bring about more leg breaks? The number of ill-timed tackles can and must be reduced if you want the standards of FOOTBALL to increase further in this country. Ramsey had so much potential, and that's all he's got now.

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  • 419. At 8:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    416. At 8:56pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:
    There's a surprise ... my comment about mods and refs got yanked.
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    They got my one about you rubbing off on Bo as well

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  • 420. At 8:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    If you type "Austrian hard man" into Google image search the second pic it shows you is this....

    http://tinyurl.com/yg34cnz

    WHY??? WTF????

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  • 421. At 8:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    They'll probably have an orgasm about my Fuhrer post then Colch ...

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  • 422. At 9:00pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Can't work that one out either Gaz.

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  • 423. At 9:01pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    420. At 8:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    If you type "Austrian hard man" into Google image search the second pic it shows you is this....

    http://tinyurl.com/yg34cnz

    WHY??? WTF????

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    Am I the only one who sees this pic and has an irrisistable urge to fire up MS Paint and draw a silly tache on it?

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  • 424. At 9:04pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    "Am I the only one who sees this pic and has an irrisistable urge to fire up MS Paint and draw a silly tache on it?"

    Às a complete computer dummy I had to google MS paint Star, but now I know what it is, YES.

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  • 425. At 9:05pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    I meant YES I want to draw a tasche too

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  • 426. At 9:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, glazierNOWeagle wrote:

    Starfire - Same thought occured to me. Great minds and fools etc etc

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  • 427. At 9:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, Tom Halstead wrote:

    Gaz/H2H - the reason it has Strachan's mug is it is an article on plans to sell Pogatetz - the actual Austrian hard man!

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  • 428. At 9:15pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    364. At 8:11pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    355. At 8:01pm on 01 Mar 2010, southernstokie wrote:
    Elbuho get your facts right, Jeffers didn't break his leg at all.
    /////
    Are you sure?

    http://www.swfc.co.uk/page/Gaffers/0,,10304~1148029,00.html

    At least do some research before telling others to get their facts right!

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    excellent!
    stokie was talking absolute rubbish earlier, so no surprise that both feet ended up in his mouth... pretty quiet now, eh smart guy?

    i think this revelation about Shawcross changes the situation a bit, no?

    and i noticed that none of the ManYous answered the question of "what if it were Wazza in place of Ramsey"
    answer - Shawcross gets jumped by the other 10 men and beaten, Fergie turns a shade of purple that hadn't been discovered before, and Stoke get immediately relegated.

    i swear, you fawkers are up there with the FA on the hypocrisy scale!

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  • 429. At 9:16pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Denis if there is a hyperbole scale I think we can safely say you are off it!

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  • 430. At 9:27pm on 01 Mar 2010, socratesmozart wrote:

    Robbo, you're a good man and a great pundit, but you're obviously not an Arsenal fan. Take it from me Eduardo has not made a good recovery from his horrific leg break. The lad is a shadow of the player he was, anyone who has watched him play this season will testify to that. So i really hope we see Ramsey fulfill his brilliant potential. He really should be a glorious footballer, the best British midfielder in some time - i really hope this injury doesn't have the same effect on him as it has had on Eduardo. Cheers Jim

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  • 431. At 9:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    you're right Gaz, i went too far.

    Stoke stay put, but Wenger & co. get relegated for bringing nasty tackles into the pillowy English game!

    i'm certain Fergie would call Shawcross up to his wine loft and say "no worries, son - would you like the '57 Barolo or the Cab?"

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  • 432. At 9:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    ive told you a trigazillionbillion times, denis, dont use hyperbole

    Gaz - JDR Gang - never seen it before - Why dont you try being funny for once! / Its OK he doesnt mean it ! LMAO....

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  • 433. At 9:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    427, OK Cheers Tom.

    428 Denis.

    I had to dig pretty deep to find that article, it was buried on about the 30th page after I googled it.
    I've been reading all day that "he's not that kind of player", but two broken legs and a nasty injury to Adebayor (who can't be classed as a softie) seem to imply that he is.

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  • 434. At 9:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    socratesmozart wrote:
    Robbo, you're a good man and a great pundit, but you're obviously not an Arsenal fan. Take it from me Eduardo has not made a good recovery from his horrific leg break. The lad is a shadow of the player he was, anyone who has watched him play this season will testify to that.

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    sorry mate - the ever wise GenesisRed reminded us that Eduardo was always rubbish, even before the injury... he also informed everyone that he never helped Croatia humiliate England and keep them out of any major tourneys.

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  • 435. At 9:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    197. At 4:27pm on 01 Mar 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:
    ....containing a noisy mascot named Gary Neville, - who you didn't add can actually still do a job, - despite being loud mouth.....

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    I thought being a loudmouth was his job.

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  • 436. At 9:39pm on 01 Mar 2010, richmay1 wrote:

    Since the Terry/Bridge crisis broke out,I have been wondering why Terry couldn't just apologise to his Pal and ex team mate, then on saturday I saw the hair cut and realised why.
    Who is Terry's barber?
    Did he look in the mirror after the hair cut?
    For that moronic hair cut alone I am glad Bridge snubbed him.
    During the match you could see that members of team Bridge such as Tevez and Bellamy were just waiting to have a go at him.
    Terry is proberbly surrounded with advisers that tell him that saturday's hair cut is perfect. Too many yes men and no body to tell him the truth.

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  • 437. At 9:40pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Bloggy, your vid was ok, but Gaz's one rules, it was the reason I signed up to the blog, my very first post was to applaud it, I laughed till I almost got sick.

    DE Untergang was on tv here a couple of months`ago and my girlfriend couldn't understand why I was wetting myself during that scene.

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  • 438. At 9:43pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    its terrible, the injury the tackle, yes it is, but he'll be fine, the operation is a success, he'll be able to catch up with preparing for the zombie apocalypse or whatever it is 19 year olds do in their spare time and then he'll have a great career, safe in the knowledge that when the zombies attack he's got everything in place.

    lets keep a sense of proportion. he's not king tut or a baby sparrow. and when i broke my arm and i got no sympathy on here at all.

    gooners imo youre catastrophising because you lack confidence that you can really win anything, its been too long, so youre preparing conspiracy theories as get-out clauses



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  • 439. At 9:44pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    434. At 9:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    he also informed everyone that he never helped Croatia humiliate England and keep them out of any major tourneys.

    ________________________________


    To be fair Denis you don't have to be a great player to do this!

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  • 440. At 9:44pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    211. At 4:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, adampsb wrote:

    Maybe if Wenger bought a strong defensive midfielder like Vieira teher wouldn't be the get uck in aspect (never said that to players facing Keano or Vinnie did they - it was more run for your life)
    ==============================

    Great examples adam... let's have more those sort of players in the PL... then we can forget football and have our own version of Aussie Rules.

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  • 441. At 9:46pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    H2H - I never knew that about you signing up because of that vid. I don't know whether to feel happy or responsible ;)

    Bloggy I can't believe you never seen it before, that was back in the days when JDR had backup. At least the others gave up, he's still banging his head against the wall.

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  • 442. At 9:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    no need to go that far, Bo, spikes on shin pads would sort out that kind of tackle once and for all

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  • 443. At 9:52pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    blog - crying shame about the arm, but after reading your offerings today, all of my sympathies go to your friends & family

    (rimshot)

    someone should give YOU a get-out clause

    (bucketofish!)

    so king tut walks into a bar....

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  • 444. At 9:52pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    im a relative newbie, gaz, and Joes is still around,but he's lost the fire in his belly. i admired his serene but bonkers self-certainty even though it starte to grate on my nerves after a while.

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  • 445. At 9:54pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    I'd been lurking for ages before that Gaz, but that was the one that got me in.

    Looking for the one to get me out now though. ;)

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  • 446. At 9:55pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    hate to toot my own horn (or do i?), but did anyone hear from JDR after the brilliant dressing-down i gave 'im earlier?

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  • 447. At 9:57pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    denis - i assume youre just trying to attract my attention, so I'll take that as a compliment.

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  • 448. At 9:58pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    yes dennis JDR said he'd just been mauled by a dead sheep or something

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  • 449. At 10:01pm on 01 Mar 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    just so we're all aware of the mod-approved response to said villain:
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    270. At 5:38pm on 01 Mar 2010, JoeDavisRoach wrote:
    "Anyone who watched Footballers' Wives will remember what a load of nonsense it was: preposterous, shoddy, lowest common denominator entertainment."

    On a par with this latest excuse of a blog Robbo, one might say.

    A touch of the Bellamy with that comment.

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    271. At 5:40pm on 01 Mar 2010, you wrote:
    shut up, JDR.

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  • 450. At 10:02pm on 01 Mar 2010, Ginger wrote:

    Great blog as ever Robbo, keep up the good work.

    Chelsea might end up third now which seems incredible. JT, the Chelsea legend has possibly cost them a league title as well as a CL via a slip.

    Couldn't happen to a nicer man.

    Viva John Terry!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • 451. At 10:09pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Found a perfect way to stop players getting injured, I will be writing to the F.A to bring these safety measuresin

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  • 452. At 10:11pm on 01 Mar 2010, socratesmozart wrote:

    i think Bendtner will win the title for the Gunners. What an incredible season this has been - you heard it here first!

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  • 453. At 10:15pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    no soccermozzer this is where i heard it first http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2873142/Nicklas-Bendtner-says-Arsenal-will-win-the-title-for-Aaron-Ramsey.html

    and i was just reading this anout milner playing left back for england - solves the problem , he'd do a good job
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2873309/Milner-Ill-solve-left-back-crisis.html

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  • 454. At 10:15pm on 01 Mar 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    I just realised I had Shawcross in my fantasy team. But he was on the bench against the Arsenal. Do players get, say, a 100 point deduction for breaking a bone? That would mean -200 for Shawcross and maybe an additional as it was a double compound fracture.

    As for his apparent record, that's news to me, and now I'm not so sure how sympathetic I am toward Shawcross.

    Incidentally, he should watch that video several times when he's done sobbing, and then ask himself, "Was that really necessary"? All of this talk about Arsenal's discipline record, could have been Ramsey, clearing the ball, etc., is just diversion.

    The bottom line is that what Shawcross did was completely unnecessary. He reminds me of those people who get into a lift and press the button of the desired floor 18 times, as if one can will the lift into getting their faster. On replay, Shawcross looks like a rampant lunatic.

    UD:
    For some reason I thought the Nolan tackle was in 2006 because he had a blog here than and had a remorse-laden post one day after he got show a straight red. That was when he was in a Bolton shirt though, so I've got the year wrong.

    Alright, enough of this, I'm going to hack off to the nearest pub.

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  • 455. At 10:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    then] scilicet THEN

    Before going to the pub:
    H2H one can get injured in foosball too. It happened to me. Right shoulder hurt for days after I thwacked a ball into my opponent's 'net'. Enthusiasm, I blame.

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  • 456. At 10:21pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    # 335. At 7:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    This comment has been referred to the moderators. Explain.
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    Just thought this was worth another mention.

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  • 457. At 10:23pm on 01 Mar 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    Milner at left back, I like that.

    Too bad Kieran Gibbs is injured. He'd have fit the bill. How do you think Shawcross will fit in with the squad? If I were him, I'd stay home.

    Mind you, I'm not complaining about our injuries. Just wanted to throw that in the hopper. We do get hit hard, don't we?

    Incidentally I am now paradoxically glad that Wilshere is out at Bolton. The loan will buy him some time during which his leg will probably not be broken.

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  • 458. At 10:24pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    what happened when ryan shawcross went on holiday
    http://www.eyesofthailand.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/1.jpg

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  • 459. At 10:26pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    385. At 8:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, StarfireReturns wrote:

    377. At 8:25pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    All I can say is... B0ll0x.

    ------------------------

    Am I rubbing off on you there Bo?
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    I hope not Star... nothing personal mate, unless you are a female of course... you aren't are you?

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  • 460. At 10:27pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    #451 H2H - Canadians eh?

    TWD - I think 2006 was the last time Newcastle had a premiership team. Seems like they've been playing Champioonship footie for a while.

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  • 461. At 10:27pm on 01 Mar 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    blogdignag

    Haha!

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  • 462. At 10:28pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    TWD - south africa is a dangerous place - they should take shawcross as protection. they couldnt play him in a game, obviously, we'd be at war with slovenia

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  • 463. At 10:28pm on 01 Mar 2010, Brian Renshaw wrote:

    John Terry and Cashley Cole..the best reasons ever for Castration.

    Not since the days of the stocks has anyone been so publicly humiliated and embarassed as Terry was on Saturday.

    Bridge behaved and conducted himself impeccably, Terry was a jittery wreck, the intelligent Chelsea fans applauded one of their ex players and the rest behaved well like Terry normally does with no class.Terry's performance wouldn't have got him into the Dagenham and Redbridge side.

    I felt sorry for Chelsea as City plastered them into oblivion as they are a good club with a good manager and don't deserve terry or Cole and their sleazy antics

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  • 464. At 10:28pm on 01 Mar 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    UD

    ?

    Is it my splenetic age or am I just confused? Nolan was at Bolton in the 2005-2006 season wasn't he? How time flies.

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  • 465. At 10:30pm on 01 Mar 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    I almost peed my pants, no joke, when I saw that elephant photo.

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  • 466. At 10:31pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    I dont want to carry this argument on guys but.... I do recall in days past... long past... when Liverpool and Un**ed fans (to mention a couple of teams fans and of course I am talking about when they were in the top league) used to carry on being so hard done by when they had to play a team in the lower divisions in cup games... all the time going on about being kicked off the park... seems when those other teams are playing in the PL it is fine.

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  • 467. At 10:31pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    455 TWD,

    Drat, back to the drawing board then.

    456 Bo.

    I made the fatal mistake of copying and pasteing someone else's comment, which was also modded. (Rookie mistake)

    458 Bloggy.

    Is that one of those new elephant placenta clinics?

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  • 468. At 10:32pm on 01 Mar 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    #464 - that would be when Nolan was touted for England. Did it really happen?

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  • 469. At 10:34pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    463 Brian.

    Bit harsh on Dagenham and Redbridge mate.

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  • 470. At 10:36pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    i'm just thinking, H2, that we've wasted a lot of money on the large hadron collider - why not put a shin pad onto a neutron and get shawcross to kick it?

    youre not the right person to try that feeble joke out on are you, H?

    i'll get me coat.

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  • 471. At 10:40pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Blogggggggydiddly all you have to do is stick a neutron on Rafa's forhead and it will travel faster than ever before. Down of course.

    You would also have the added bonus of it heating to the temperature of the sun when dear old Rafa is asked about Meeeester Ferguson.

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  • 472. At 10:41pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Just don't ask Arsene to record the results, he'll never see it unless the neutron beats 4 electrons before scuffing a proton into the nucleus.

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  • 473. At 10:42pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    to produce the Hicks (and Gillett) Boson, gaz?

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  • 474. At 10:44pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Yeah, actually Rafa may have proved Einstein wrong because if travelling faster than light means going back in time then he has accomplished it. And brought all the Scouse fans with him.

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  • 475. At 10:45pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @474 Maybe that's all part of the master plan Gaz. Rafa thinks that if he goes back in time far enough he'll get to the 70's and 80's when Liverpool were succesful.

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  • 476. At 10:48pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Bloggy mate.

    I'm always up for a joke, you know me, well you don't, but you do, aw you know what I mean. Bestest friends that never met.

    Didn't want to get all serious this afternoon and I know I shouldn't bite, but as you so rightly said the other day, Arsene has instilled that "us against the world" mentality in us, so it can't be helped. Plus it's good to vent on here every once in a while, keeps the cat safe!

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  • 477. At 10:49pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    with all this palaver about broken legs i was wondering how long it would take us to get round to quantum physics and time travel

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  • 478. At 10:52pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    youre a proper football fan, H and a really good imaginary friend

    ryan shawcross' cat (you know what to expect)

    http://captionwit.com/wp-content/caption/On_the_Mend_HyPg0_r.jpg

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  • 479. At 10:59pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    442. At 9:47pm on 01 Mar 2010, blogdignag wrote:

    no need to go that far, Bo, spikes on shin pads would sort out that kind of tackle once and for all
    ============================

    A reasonable idea blog... I have nothing against that, maybe spiked elbow pads too... just for those occasions when you want to let the striker know you are about.

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  • 480. At 11:03pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    I heard a rumour that Ryan Shawcross has taken up American Football. Here's a photo of him in his first game......

    http://www.spysoftball.com/october_5_update1_files/image002.jpg

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  • 481. At 11:05pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    I want an imaginary friend!!

    I haven't had one since I was 8 and that git Cyril told me he was leaving because I was too clingy

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  • 482. At 11:05pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    480 Colch..

    OUCH, that hurts just looking at it.

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  • 483. At 11:06pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Here's a pic of Arsene driving outside a 2 mile radius of The Emirates...

    http://tinyurl.com/yex464f

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  • 484. At 11:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    481. At 11:05pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    I want an imaginary friend!!
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    Go to church on a sunday Gaz. They spend all their time talking about their imaginary friend

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  • 485. At 11:07pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    481. At 11:05pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    I want an imaginary friend!!
    ---
    Do you THINK you can handle that kind of commitment.

    Sorry about that one.

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  • 486. At 11:10pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    456 Bo.

    I made the fatal mistake of copying and pasteing someone else's comment, which was also modded. (Rookie mistake)
    =======================

    Bugger it H2... I thought it was you that had had a moment of rashness... I can understand it with all the BS that has been typed about the gunners today.

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  • 487. At 11:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    I tried the Church thing CFC

    I prayed and I prayed and I prayed that Stevie Me would be attacked by an escaped lion while in the middle of a starfish dive in front of the Kop.

    It didn't happen, which is proof enough for me that there isn't a God.

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  • 488. At 11:12pm on 01 Mar 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    I thought I was your imaginary friend Gaz.

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  • 489. At 11:14pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @487 You have to go about things a different way Gaz. When I was younger I used to pray every night for God to bring me a bike. Then I realised he didn't work that way so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness instead.

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  • 490. At 11:16pm on 01 Mar 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 491. At 11:16pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    The priests used to do that CFC. But they replaced bikes with young boys.
    Allegedly. Or not.

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  • 492. At 11:18pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Bo you Gooners have enough imaginery people conducting conspiracies against you, there's no room for me!

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  • 493. At 11:19pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Oh! By the way, as you may or may not know I have become a bit of a Facebook devotee in the last while.

    I recently joined a new group which many of you can join too, it's called...

    "I have the same amount of Premiership winners medals as Steven Gerrard"

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  • 494. At 11:21pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    As a Facebook devotee and a football fan Gaz you might like this......

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/The-man-who-wrote-this-letter-to-the-players-at-Grimsby-Town-FC/308203357529?v=info&ref=nf

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  • 495. At 11:21pm on 01 Mar 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    p.s. and if Norton & Stockton Ancients can beat Barwell ( higly unlikely but hey its footy) then guess who they would play in the FA Vase semis - ......... wait for it................hang on its coming ...... slow down love you are doing it wrong ..............thats it ............. the Whitley Bay Warriors????!!!!
    Night chaps and Up the Boro!!!!

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  • 496. At 11:22pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Don't know why that link didn't work properly but well worth copying and pasting

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  • 497. At 11:25pm on 01 Mar 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Brilliant CFC! I even became a fan!

    Now you can see me in all my bald glory, that little bit of a tattoo poking out is my United Red Devil. You're jealous you don't have one, aren't you!!

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  • 498. At 11:26pm on 01 Mar 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    For those of you who aren't on facebook googling "Grimsby town fan rant letter" should get you there

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  • 499. At 11:31pm on 01 Mar 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    Colch - great letter!!

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  • 500. At 11:35pm on 01 Mar 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    That was a briliant rant.

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