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Fergie's winter of discontent

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Robbo Robson | 11:03 UK time, Tuesday, 12 January 2010

Undersoil heating - what's the flaming point, eh, if some over-protective numpties decide that the routes around the ground are too treacherous for people to use?

The pitch is perfect, but full-grown, free-thinking people will only fall on their backsides, fill up the local A & E's with their cracked coccyxes (dammit what's the plural for that?) and probably, in this litigious age of ours, find someone or other to sue.

OR

Your average footie fan will tiptoe down the glacier streets like a lass in her first stilettos and slither into his favourite seat 'cos quite frankly that's what a football fan does. He'll take his chances with the darned ice 'cos he loves to see his team play. In all weathers.

And for goodness sake we all like a good story about the day we got a point against the Champions in a minus eight degree blizzard.

Yes, I know I had a rant about this in my last blog but ooh it makes me mad!!! It was cold enough to reduce your average adult male to apparent womanhood on Saturday, but I'd still've been up for watching the Boro.
Volunteers clear snow at The Emirates stadiumVolunteers clear snow at The Emirates stadium
Let us choose is all I'm asking. I'm not saying it's a Nanny State, but I fully expect the next PM to be Mary Flipping Poppins.

Fans at St Andrew's and The Emirates were served up a treat, and I can tell you one thing with a strong degree of certainty: Manchester United won't win owt this year.
Hansen was dead right on Match of the Day - they've been poor this season.

The defence is a right old mish-mash, but that's nowt compared to the tedium of their midfield. Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson, Park. Hardly a goal between them and about as inspiring as day-old toast. There have been times this season when it's looked like four Djemba-Djembas strung across the middle.

Apart from the odd Giggs cameo, it's all down to Wazza. The lad needs a rest, but that'd mean starting with Berbatov and Owen. St Michael has pretty much proven Capello's case since he arrived and Berbatov is... well, some say deft... I say lazy.

Every touch is like a Gower waft outside off-stump. 99% of what he does reminds me of thistle seeds drifting on the breeze. He's up there with Veron as Fergie's most expensive blunder.

They miss Ronaldo, of course. For all his swagger and insufferable sulking, the Gelled Tumbler is a magnificent footballer and replacing him with Valencia - good though the lad is - is akin to pulling down Nelson's Column and putting up a toothpick.

And don't get me started on Tevez. The brilliant hat-trick against Blackburn took his tally to 15 for the season and City are getting ominously close to their old rivals.

Having said all that, you can't doubt Fergie's management skills. To get to being a point or two off the lead with this run-of-the-mill outfit is looking like one of the greatest achievements of a brilliant career.

He seemed happy enough with the minus six pitch-side temperatures at the weekend. As did McLeish. They're a right ruddy pair them two, aren't they?

Mind, there are a couple of Scots round our way who keep telling us that the climate is positively tropical right now with their tedious weather one-upmanship ('I saw a man so cold he snapped his own arm off so he could dig himself out of a snow-drift' etc, etc. Yawn.)

Apparently, Man United don't ever have to use their undersoil heating - if they want to get rid of the snow they just send Nani out on the pitch, Fergie gives him an almighty earful and the surface is cleared.

According to reports, Nani is just one of the expensive decorations that the gaffer is getting shot of this month. What a pointless little garnish that lad's proved to be. I wouldn't be surprised to see Berbat-off 'n' all.

Anderson was bleating that he's never played in his favourite attacking midfield role but given his inability to hit a rhino's rear with a tablespoon I doubt that would've made much difference. Vidic is off as well, they say, but given the travails of United's defence I find that hard to believe.

It all suggests that United are not so much in transition as in a pickle - and unless Mick McCarthy picks the players for every visiting side from here 'til May I can't see them winning a trophy.

The only hope is that Chelsea do just as poorly, although the Lord in his infinite wisdom has seen fit to time this avalanche of postponements to coincide with the absence of Drogba, who along with Bellamy is the player of the season so far.
Didier DrogbaDrogba is frozen out at the moment
Of course the terrible events that unfolded in Africa leave you feeling rather silly about getting into a rage over a mere football match.

Nevertheless, football always has its small compensations and Mali's recovery from 4-0 down after 78 minutes will live long in the memory. I've never seen anything like it and at least it reminds you that the game, trivial and overblown though it often can be, is just blinking wonderful sometimes.



Any finally, with too much time on our hands, the Blue Bell regulars have assembled a special team to suit the Arctic conditions.
I give you Winter Milan!

Brrrrrrrrrad Freezel; Paul Konche-ski, Martin Skatel, Wooly-am Gallas, Ashley Cold; Shaun St. Sledger, Scott Parka, Kevin Snowlan, Parky Ji Sung; Emile Husky, Andriy Shiver-chenko. Subs: Sleigh Given, Leroy Sleeta, Michael Snowin' and the redoubtable Dele Adepolar.

Two left-backs in the same side doesn't make much sense but then it's difficult to keep your balance in this weather. The owner is of course Mohammed Al F-ridge, and the manager is inevitably Big Sam Allardicicle. Let's hope the games are back on next week or there'll be more of this!

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  • 1. At 12:35pm on 12 Jan 2010, LABSAB9 wrote:

    Too True

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  • 2. At 12:35pm on 12 Jan 2010, ControlledMagic wrote:

    Robbo - a complete defence out for weeks so it's not a wonder that Utd are misfiring! Get off the ABU bus for a week, eh? There are huge problems looming at 'my' club - but they are not associated with the squad JUST yet.

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  • 3. At 12:38pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    Money trouble will see Un**ed struggle for a while,especially if the owners keep doing this.

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  • 4. At 12:41pm on 12 Jan 2010, AbuDhabiSmoggy wrote:

    Great Blog Robbo keept it up lad! I dont know what the fuss is about no snow here!

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  • 5. At 12:44pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    How can you complain about match postponement when you yourself cant even deliver a blog from your couch?

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  • 6. At 12:48pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    Nothing to write about?

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  • 7. At 12:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, ControlledMagic wrote:

    Oh - and I reckon Vidic will be off this summer too; he's got two years left and the noises we hear are that either his wife doesn't like England or he's had a tiff with SAF. Possibly both. If either is the case then he'll be off as Utd won't want him to tun the contract down for another year and then leave for 30 bob. A pity, but given the tricky financial state we need to sell him to be able to buy someone else.

    I don't think Anderson will be sold as he is good and has more promise. If we ever get Hargreaves back (does he really exist anymore?!!) then our midfield will have a little of the steel it is lacking....and with defenders back - as last post - Fletcher will be back to the role for which he has been lauded for the last two years.

    Finally, Robbo, Valencia is a winger. He was not intended to 'replace Ronaldo' as no one could; it's been said before. He's not done too bad in the role so far, particularly if you recognise that the midfield is his supply chain.....and they've all been in defence!

    It ain't rosy in my garden at the mo....but it's not as black as some paint it.

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  • 8. At 12:51pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    What about Liverpool Striker David Nsnog?

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  • 9. At 12:53pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Assistant manager must be Pat R Ice

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  • 10. At 12:58pm on 12 Jan 2010, Dan wrote:

    I can't believe the media reaction to Rooney's performances this season. He's actually been pretty awful in a lot of games. His close control,passing and shooting have been way below what a "World Class Striker" should be. It just goes to show how bad we've been this season. That said he's at least scoring goals and I think once we get the defence back and Fergie gets a settled side we can still make a solid push for the Prem League.

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  • 11. At 12:59pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    What does kit say about the rest of the league if Man Utd are second and played rubbish all season?
    Chelski, Arsenal and the rest must be worried that Man Utd might start played well at some point.

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  • 12. At 1:00pm on 12 Jan 2010, sweetfontaine-rock wrote:

    I am very worried this season.....Frustrated at why fergie doesn't seem to want to buy anyone when he clearly needs a striker and some midfielders. We are lucky that the other top teams have dropped points or we would have been in 5th spot by now! I just read that united are considering selling rooney too, along with the possibility of selling vidic, this obviously means we will have a terrible side! Sort it out united, this is getting embarrassing, the biggest club in the world and we bought owen and some french league 2 kid called obertan! Aaaaaaaarrrgghhhh! Hopefully i'm missing something coz to me it looks like united are about to go bust!

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  • 13. At 1:01pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    I meant "it" not "kit"!

    Robbo, how many Glasgow rejects are boro signing in January Transfer WindSnow??

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  • 14. At 1:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, Norris Cole From The Cabin wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 15. At 1:03pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #2 Whilst Man Utd have undoubtedly had problems in defence this season, Robbo is right in that if Rooney (and sometimes Giggs) don't perform, you don't look like breaking down a resolute defence and seem devoid of ideas. You could have all your defenders fit and that still will not mean more creativity.

    Poor Ole Carrick seems to be going backwards fast at Man Utd and Scholes is almost a centre back these days as he plays so deep. Definite need for someone to take pressure off Rooney, particularly as he is likely to be shattered for the World Cup otherwise and England could well be similarly struggling if that does prove true.

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  • 16. At 1:05pm on 12 Jan 2010, Pickalino wrote:

    Freezer Campbell!!??

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  • 17. At 1:05pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #14 Your attempt to be funny was akin to a group of 5 year old writers. Who cannot read.

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  • 18. At 1:08pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    Just to remind everyone that Owen was not bought. He signed for free.
    That, however, does not mean he is not up there with the worst of Fergie's signings.

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  • 19. At 1:08pm on 12 Jan 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    Roque Santa Claus?

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  • 20. At 1:09pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    Alan Snow-Ball?

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  • 21. At 1:10pm on 12 Jan 2010, simonjmc2 wrote:

    Shocking blog! Man Utd for the Prem this year. Wasn't it Hansen that said 'you won't win nothing with kids'?

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  • 22. At 1:10pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Spits - Take it easy fella! It could be worse - Fergie could've signed Bentner!

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  • 23. At 1:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    Mikel Arctica?

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  • 24. At 1:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    WDTTN,did you mean Bendtner or better?

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  • 25. At 1:12pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Sleighton Baines?

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  • 26. At 1:12pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    14. At 1:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, Norris Cole From The Cabin wrote:

    Jesus wept.

    ______________________________________________________

    Jesus loves you, but he's not in love with you

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  • 27. At 1:12pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    Matt le Tissier-ing-down-with-snow-again

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  • 28. At 1:13pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 29. At 1:13pm on 12 Jan 2010, Starburst_995 wrote:

    Get this. Liverpool had their match with Spurs cancelled yet they were able to stay open last Sunday to show fans around Anfield.

    How how's doing that any different or any less dangerous than hosting a football match?

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  • 30. At 1:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Bendtner mate! Definately not better tho.

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  • 31. At 1:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, Ginger wrote:

    I haven't had the time to read all the blog but it would seem that United, my team, may win nothing this year.

    But at the same time this is what Fergie likes and I am sure that this is what he is telling his players.

    The trophies are handed out in May (most of them) and I am sure that we will be there or thereabouts.

    The EPL this year is poor or should that be competitive? No team has taken the league and many are losing games that they wouldn't have in years gone by.

    Lets not rejoyce the demise of Utd just yet, you may end up doing a 'Hansen'.

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  • 32. At 1:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    22. At 1:10pm on 12 Jan 2010, Where Did The Title Ngog??!! wrote:
    Spits - Take it easy fella! It could be worse - Fergie could've signed Bentner!
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    I dont understand.

    How can it be worse?
    At least gets to the ball before he fluffs it over the bar


    and most importantly he is injured, so there you go.

    Bendtner is injured, therefore cannot play and is therefore doing much better than Owen.

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  • 33. At 1:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, john wrote:

    big big mess, fergie is doing his best with practically no money and no real ralent beyond rooney, note though that no team has really stood out this season, everyone has been pretty poor for significant spells, only chelsea have had any real consistency which is why they're at the top, keeps the race interesting though even if the footie is dull at times

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  • 34. At 1:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    David Heater

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  • 35. At 1:16pm on 12 Jan 2010, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    Spot on Robbo, unlike this from 'Dan'...

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    "I can't believe the media reaction to Rooney's performances this season. He's actually been pretty awful in a lot of games. His close control,passing and shooting have been way below what a "World Class Striker" should be. It just goes to show how bad we've been this season."

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    You're a United fan are you Dan? Well I'm not. I too agree with Robbo that your team looks pants right now.

    However, I think you need to get yourself to an opticians very quickly or at least do Wayne Rooney the credit of getting to Old Trafford once in a blue moon (ooer, sorry City!) and actually appreciate the man for what he is. Rooney has been world class and is world class. To even try to question his form this season is frankly incredible. And from a United fan.

    Honesty from a fan is one thing, but slagging a player off completely unjustifiably? I'm sure Chelski, Arsenal, Liverpool, Madrid, Barca et al would all take him off your hands tomorrow if you think hes that poor.

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  • 36. At 1:16pm on 12 Jan 2010, john wrote:

    ralent... i mean talent... hrrrmmmmph

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  • 37. At 1:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    They were frightened of you Star

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  • 38. At 1:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    David NoToboggan

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  • 39. At 1:18pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Brian Pinas - Jacks you've got me playing the wrong game now!!

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  • 40. At 1:19pm on 12 Jan 2010, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    Incidentally, we'll now hear from all the 20 something Fergie hating United fans who haven't a clue what they are talking about and know as much about loyalty and recognising the worlds best manager as I do about diplomacy.

    Some of the United fans in here should be ashamed of themselves.

    I criticise my team when they need it and I recognise our failings. However, our manager has won a zillion trophies and dominated English football for 2 decades. You really SHOULD give yourselves a shake before you start Fergy-bashing. Shameful - and certainly not 'fans'.

    The same goes for anyone who takes a pop at Wenger. Some people have very short memories and the results he has achieved with the resources he has had are phenomenal.

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  • 41. At 1:19pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    By the way, anyone know the plural of Jesus?

    Jesii?
    Jesuses?

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  • 42. At 1:19pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    Roy Keane..he'snow joking matter

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  • 43. At 1:19pm on 12 Jan 2010, qwerty7 wrote:

    Is this the beebs new approach to try and appeal to kids? Start using English properly.

    Until the weekend's game, United had collected more points on their travels than any other team in the Premiership.
    The Birmingham game provided us with our 100th consecutive changed line-up, most of this (in recent games) has been a consequence of DEFENSIVE injuries.
    Would United choose to play Academy players in a Premier league and even Champions League match?
    Ideally we'd be playing our first choice centre backs. For weeks, we've not even had centre backs available (for the record Wes Brown is a right back).

    Even the best teams with strength and depth can't compensate for 7-9 defensive injuries at once. This is football, luck comes in waves.
    Maybe our luck will happen upon us towards the end of the season.

    And Robbo, lets not forget, that we ARE in 2nd place well in contention for the Premiership. We are still IN the Champions League and have our injured players RECOVERING. Our "friends" in the North West are not.

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  • 44. At 1:20pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    32. At 1:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:
    22. At 1:10pm on 12 Jan 2010, Where Did The Title Ngog??!! wrote:
    Spits - Take it easy fella! It could be worse - Fergie could've signed Bentner!
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    I dont understand.

    How can it be worse?
    At least gets to the ball before he fluffs it over the bar


    and most importantly he is injured, so there you go.

    Bendtner is injured, therefore cannot play and is therefore doing much better than Owen.

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    Did i touch a nerve there?

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  • 45. At 1:20pm on 12 Jan 2010, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    I meant to say "Our manager has NOT won a zillion trophies".

    If only.

    We are the reigning FA Vase holders though, just in case I'd not mentioned that.

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  • 46. At 1:20pm on 12 Jan 2010, merc5m877 wrote:

    man u fan here.. i agree man u will win nothing this season. you could see from the first game at burnley. which they lost. no passion. the sparks gone. you lose 2 great players. ronaldo & tevez, and replace them with valencia & owen. Why didnt they spen the 80million on some good players. Dare i say, is fergy losing his magic?

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  • 47. At 1:22pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    WBWTV,I think Robbo was spot on when he said Un**ed being still in the hunt,despite short comings on the pitch shows he knows what he's doing.Unfortunately for Un**ed,the Glazers taking all your cash means he will struggle to buy "ready made" replacements.Perhaps it's time for the youth players to step up?

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  • 48. At 1:22pm on 12 Jan 2010, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    @46 - Dare i say, is fergy losing his magic?

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    See what I mean?

    Dare I say you're 13 years old and should go read a book?

    United fans really are something else! Astonishing comments.

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  • 49. At 1:22pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    12. At 1:00pm on 12 Jan 2010, john wrote:
    I am very worried this season.....Frustrated at why fergie doesn't seem to want to buy anyone when he clearly needs a striker and some midfielders. We are lucky that the other top teams have dropped points or we would have been in 5th spot by now! I just read that united are considering selling rooney too, along with the possibility of selling vidic, this obviously means we will have a terrible side! Sort it out united, this is getting embarrassing, the biggest club in the world and we bought owen and some french league 2 kid called obertan! Aaaaaaaarrrgghhhh! Hopefully i'm missing something coz to me it looks like united are about to go bust!

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    Well that has reassured me, if someone who knows as little as you is afraid, that makes me confident.
    Alright Robbo whats with the ABU stuff all of sudden? United are second in the league a point better off than at the same time last year, More goals scored and a better goal difference. They played rubbish for most of last season and had a whole heap of 1:0's. Now they are better off everyone thinks they are worse......... I just don't understand it....OH wait, I do, it's a wind up. .......... Yeah will The Sun is shining where I am the sea is blue, and there is no snow flake in sight.

    And john again on 33 are you talking about the black eyed peas? You must have a pair of your own mate.

    Obertan is a useful player. Rooney is top of the scoring charts.....Go and have rant at Birmingham or Livperpool or something

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  • 50. At 1:23pm on 12 Jan 2010, qwerty7 wrote:

    pilch666, if England are reliant on Rooney what does that say about the rest of the England team?
    Rooney is Englands' best player, Yes.

    Surely England is not a replica of the state United are supposedly in.
    Can't the pressure be on Lampard or Gerrard or any of the other strikers/midfielders?
    Why should Rooney jeopardise performances for his club, just so he doesn't exhaust himself for the world cup?

    Is the England argument not the same as the one Robbo is describing here?

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  • 51. At 1:23pm on 12 Jan 2010, Storm of Swords wrote:

    Another load of gibberish that attempts to be funny with silly northernisms. Yes Man Utd have been poor this season but they are second and only a point behind, does that mean Chelsea and Arsenal have been poor too then? You lack any sort of logic, maybe come down to the south of England and get that snow on your brain melted off so you can think up something constructive to say instead of making us feel like mugs for paying license fees to read this rubbish. You're not funny, realise this. Arsenal for the Prem even though they will lose a few more games.

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  • 52. At 1:23pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    Boys!!


    be on your best behaviour at once.

    There is a Gal amongst us and I dont want your boyish immature ramblings scaring her away.


    On best behaviour all of you.

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  • 53. At 1:23pm on 12 Jan 2010, andy s wrote:

    Sat 9/01/10 - Witton Park Blackburn - in loads of snow the Lancashire cross-country champs were held with loads of competitors, young and old.A superb event. The organisers and competitors put namby-pamby soccer to shame

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  • 54. At 1:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    Spits,we should be ok.After all,WordsofWisdom does think we are a girls club...

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  • 55. At 1:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, LufbraFrank wrote:

    #16 Freezer Campbell is a great shout.

    It is impressive what Fergie has achieved considering the amount of injuries etc that Man Utd have faced so far this season. But what does that tell you about the rest of the PL, no one has run away with it even when Man Utd are playing awfully at times and Liverpool are still stuck in the starting blocks?
    Is anyone starting to worry about our chances at the World Cup yet?

    http://asportlife.blogspot.com/

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  • 56. At 1:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, WaxyGodfather wrote:

    Would be nice if just for once 'Robbo' wasn't so obcessed with writing about United!

    There are many other teams in the world!

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  • 57. At 1:26pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Tarnish and Brush spring to mind my good friend from the North East!

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  • 58. At 1:29pm on 12 Jan 2010, Kapnag wrote:

    Up until United's defensive crisis over winter, which no team could have dealt with without suffering, they had easily surpassed last seasons points/goals totals at the same point.

    The midfielders, Fletcher, Carrick, Park - these have all made significant contributions since 2005 in helping United to the most successful period in their history. 3 consecutive titles, 2 consecutive CL finals, league cup, fa cup final/semi final, world club champions, all in 3 seasons.

    None of this really matters though, being as the Glazers will see to it that United are out of league/cl contention within 5 years

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  • 59. At 1:29pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    57. At 1:26pm on 12 Jan 2010, Where Did The Title Ngog??!! wrote:

    Tarnish and Brush spring to mind my good friend from the North East!

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    Where's the snow link in those 2 players names WDTTN?

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  • 60. At 1:29pm on 12 Jan 2010, Foppotee wrote:

    It happened to Cloughie as he got older started losing his marbles its happening to Fergie now and he's going to take United down with him thankfully!

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  • 61. At 1:30pm on 12 Jan 2010, Cyril wrote:

    Enjoyable reading Robbo. Be interesting to see what happens come end of season if Man Utd do not win anything with their current financial affairs. Letting Tevez go was quite simply criminal.

    Although Robbo, I thought you were better than that Arctic team. It made crigeworthy reading.

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  • 62. At 1:31pm on 12 Jan 2010, qwerty7 wrote:

    Also - United sell Rooney?

    WHERE? He won't leave England and the only place he'd go to would be Everton. He wouldn't leave the North West and he'd be an idiot to do a Tevez.
    Give him a couple of years and he'll have the armband.

    Vidic wants a payrise. (and if the rumours are true about his wife, needs to find other ways of satisfying her).
    Anderson needs to start scoring.

    Nani is useless.

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  • 63. At 1:32pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Jacks,

    I need to brush the snow off my shoes before they are tarnished.

    Well, i tried!?

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  • 64. At 1:37pm on 12 Jan 2010, Pickalino wrote:

    I think it means the Prem is actually quite exciting this year with any 4 teams in the hunt, ( not Liverpool though). The reason is either

    1. The usual top four have got worse
    2. The other mid table teams have got better
    3. Or a combination.

    Man Utd will be in with a shout as usual.

    ps. Cold Trafford?

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  • 65. At 1:37pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    62. At 1:31pm on 12 Jan 2010, ManutdGal wrote:

    Also - United sell Rooney?
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    If the debt keeps growing,he'll go to Spain.

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  • 66. At 1:39pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    re 64:Cold Blow Lane?(for those of you of a certain age...)

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  • 67. At 1:40pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    ManutdGal - I think you are missing the point of my comment. I am not saying Rooney should in any way jeopardise or hold back on his club form, but if there remains reliance on him if he could burn himself out. Not because he wants to and not because he wants to save himself etc, but if you watch Rooney he will always give 100%, no matter who for. If no one is helping you, Rooney will try to do more. Personally, I think he is World class, but he cannot do everything without it taking some toll and he needs some help.

    I dont want to get started on the old Gerrard v Lampard debate (Liverpool v Chelski fans as it always ends up with both sets of fans being blind to facts), but even as a Liverpool fan I can see Gerrard is a different player for England than Liverpool, although not helped by his position.

    As far as England goes, yes Rooney is our main hope, but if Capello sticks with his preferred Heskey (even though he doesn't start all the time for Villa which is surely against his own views!!??), Rooney will need to do most of the scoring as his partner is hardly a scoring machine.

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  • 68. At 1:40pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    Gael Clicey
    Francice Fabrigice
    Rhyice Murphy
    Thomas Rosiceky
    Curtis Davice
    Emile Hicekey

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  • 69. At 1:43pm on 12 Jan 2010, Foppotee wrote:

    Rooney will not leave Man Utd once a Red always a Red.

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  • 70. At 1:43pm on 12 Jan 2010, Pickalino wrote:

    68. At 1:40pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:
    ................
    Ouch, collie21 stop hurting yourself!

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  • 71. At 1:44pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    Steady on,Pickalino.I thought Collie21's list was nice.

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  • 72. At 1:44pm on 12 Jan 2010, simonjmc2 wrote:

    #68
    Thats even more cringeworthy than Robbo!
    Hang your head

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  • 73. At 1:45pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    69. At 1:43pm on 12 Jan 2010, Dalgrush wrote:

    Rooney will not leave Man Utd once a Red always a Red.
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    Just like the boy himself said,once a blue....

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  • 74. At 1:45pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #69 Wasn't Rooney originally a blue??

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  • 75. At 1:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, Giggs' Left Peg wrote:

    Frankly, i'm astounded we are even in the top 4 at the moment, speaks wonders for the quality of the Prem. The game on Saturday was typical of our performances this year, played some ok stuff but ultimately ran out of ideas far too often in the final third.

    I know it's hard to 2nd guess a manager like Sir Alex but IMO we have to spend if we want to be challenging for the Prem and CL. I think i speak for all Utd fans when i say we need some creativity from midfield and a decent striker to compliment Rooney. That and for Vidic and Ferdinand to regain their form.

    Me? I would sell Berbatov and Nani (we would be lucky to recoup about £30 million) and buy David Silva and Edin Dzeko, but hey thats just my opinion.

    I shudder to think what would happen if Rooney was injured...

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  • 76. At 1:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, Foppotee wrote:

    73 & 74 that was my point being sarcastic

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  • 77. At 1:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Rooney is just as much a blue as Carragher lets not forget!

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  • 78. At 1:48pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    Few touchy lads (and lasses) in here today - certainly a high risk strategy to actually criticise Man U and point out that the current team is the poorest in years. Thats Man U not the Boro. Second thoughts ... Up the New Hoops!!!

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  • 79. At 1:48pm on 12 Jan 2010, Griever wrote:

    I don't see the big problem people have with Michael Owen. In 24 appearances for United he has scored 7 goals - and that is when most of his appearances have only been for 20 minutes or so. If you took it as minutes per goal then it would probably be closer to one goal every two games than one every three appearances (although I ain't looked so I don't know). Also, last season he top-scored for Newcastle and he only played half the season, so like it or not he is still a decent player - far from a terrible signing - and the stats back that up. Dunno why he doesn't get more games, to be honest, because we all know Rooney likes to drop deep and someone like Owen, who knows how to play off the shoulder of the last defender, should be a good strike partner. Someone with a little more pace would probably be ideal (I'm thinking someone like Defoe, who is definately ahead of Owen for England right now) but Owen's positioning makes up for the little bit of pace he has lost (sort of) and he is definately a better poacher than Berbatov (who has his qualities, but just doesn't fit in at United for some reason).

    I guess Fergie's new 4-5-1 approach isn't helping Owen, but I personally think it is nonsense - not in principle, but because we don't have the players for it. We don't really have a creative outlet from central midfield right now so packing out the midfield makes no sense. Carrick is a solid defensive-mid but he isn't the most creative player, Anderson can't hit a pass accurately if it goes more than 20 yards and Giggs/Scholes can't go on forever. However, in Valencia and Obertan (also needs more starts - the glimpses he shows now will only get better, just like Ronaldo got better over time) we have creative players who can get the ball into the box... but what is the point in getting the ball into the box if there is only one person to aim for (and that one person likes dropping deep).

    Still, only one point off the top and half a season to go. We're not in a bad position to win the title again; writing us (or anyone in touching distance, really) off at this stage of the season is pretty inane.

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  • 80. At 1:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, barca4ever wrote:

    Rooney is an average player and not a World Class Player. I have asked this question before. What individual accolade has he won in FIFA or European football that makes him world class. Has he taken his national team to a European cup Semi final or World cup semi Final? HE IS JUST AN ORDINARY PLAYER MADE EXTRA ORDINARY BY THE PRESS

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  • 81. At 1:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    FBH,we had RBA talking about the re-branding of pot noodle,they've not changed hoola hoops as well,have they?

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  • 82. At 1:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    62. At 1:31pm on 12 Jan 2010, ManutdGal wrote:

    Vidic wants a payrise. (and if the rumours are true about his wife, needs to find other ways of satisfying her).

    Gal - not really interested in that kind of tabloid gossip .... but what are the rumours??? :)

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  • 83. At 1:51pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    p.s The Riverslide??

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  • 84. At 1:51pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #80 Didn't Rooney play in the Man Utd team that got to the Champions League final?? If so, is that better than the semis??

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  • 85. At 1:52pm on 12 Jan 2010, Paresh wrote:

    I agree with Dan Rooney is top scorer, however, quite a few have been penalties. To tout him as a world class player is way of the mark. I watched Messi playing for Barca at the weekend that was world class. Rooneys range of passes, weak curling shots that balloon off his feet have been an all too common sight this season and the goals have just masked very poor performances by him.

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  • 86. At 1:52pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #80 Thinking about it further, was Rooney also not only England's top scorer in the World Cup qualifiers but also in all of Europe (not sure about that last one but vaguely recall it being right). Wish I was that average.

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  • 87. At 1:53pm on 12 Jan 2010, ldyzpjc wrote:

    Here we go again...

    When will people ever learn. I accept Scousers, City fans and deluded Arsenal fans to speculate whether Fergie has lost it. That doesnt bother me.

    Its the idiotic United fans (part time United fans) who really annoy me.

    Seriously how many times over the last 15/20 years have people asked whether Fergie has lost it? Everytime, they have come back stronger.

    Lets be realistic for a minute here. How many teams in football, not just in England, can cope with their whole defence being injured?

    I'll use Chelsea as an example, (United had Van Der Sar, Ferdinand, Brown, Evans, Vidic, Rafael, and O'Shea injured. At least?) How would Chelsea cope with Cech, Bosingwa, Terry, Alex, Carvalho, Ferreira etc injured?
    I seem to remember Chelsea having Cech and or Terry injured a couple of years ago, and falling apart...

    I think we need to remember that in todays modern game, a defence doesn't just merely defend. They are the base from which the midfield and forwards are allowed to attack.

    So, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, City, Spurs etc etc etc fans...Continue to speculate whether Fergie has lost it. I assure you, he hasn't! United fans who have suddenly turned against him...Catch a grip.

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  • 88. At 1:53pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    69. At 1:43pm on 12 Jan 2010, Dalgrush wrote:
    Rooney will not leave Man Utd once a Red always a Red.

    You know nowt about footy ... or Rooney I see!!!

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  • 89. At 1:53pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #85 Paresh - watched Messi play at all for Argentina?? Looks a completely different (and awful) player.

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  • 90. At 1:54pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    Dalgrush - apols mate - sarcasm is a bitch :)

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  • 91. At 1:56pm on 12 Jan 2010, GubbyLURL wrote:

    What is it you are paid for Robbo? Your jokes are appaling.
    You do not cover the important issues in the sport, instead you attempt to create a comical tirade against a club of your choice. Often your choice is Manchester United. I wonder why.

    No defence for a significant period in the season. Defence wins trophies, as Ferdinand and Vidic will tell you. Although, Ronaldo does help a little.

    Valencia, has just joined the biggest club in the world and following in the footsteps of the best player to ever play in the modern premier league. (Only Henry comes close for me). He has 7 goals, 10 assists. Yet still he is bombarded. At any club, anywhere in the world, that is a pretty good return from a winger.

    Enough of the Manchester United bashing, i know it draws readers but when were 2nd in the league, still in Europe and semi final of Carling cup, it isnt looking too bad. Every year we get the same thing, "United not hitting top gears", "Players underperforming", "Fergie lost it?"

    Yet, in May we seem to have the last laugh. Championship winning teams may not look the best, but they grind out results. Thats what United and Chelsea do so well. This is why United and Chelsea are a class above the rest in the league.
    Winning Mentality + Drive for success = Premier League titles.

    Write us off at your peril.

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  • 92. At 1:57pm on 12 Jan 2010, Storm of Swords wrote:

    Anyone who says Rooney is average is obviously just jealous that he doesn't play for their team and only has one reaction, resentment. It will be a different story if Rooney bangs the goals in for us at the World Cup. Much like Robbo's hate of Man Utd actually, because his poor excuse of a team that can't half fill their own stadium are no match for them.

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  • 93. At 1:57pm on 12 Jan 2010, crash wrote:

    29: Maybe because the Liverpool museum has maybe a few hundred fans max a day...and not 45000...

    just a thought.

    Man U could be in trouble if the glazers keep messing them up. And the thing is since they came theyve had some shocking signings: Anderson, Nani, Berbatov and Hargreaves adds up to about 80 million...

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  • 94. At 1:57pm on 12 Jan 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    WhitleyBay is en fuego this morning - love it!

    Robbo, as much as i agree with ManUre playing like their name suggests, i need you to stop agitating the wasps' nest, so-to-speak... let's just let them go gently into that good night - they'll be much more devastated if ignored completely!

    and how did Shiverchenko make your team over Den-ice Bergkamp?! they're pretty much the same age, no?
    (now i need a shower, ASAP ;)

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  • 95. At 1:57pm on 12 Jan 2010, Pickalino wrote:

    Dalgrush, very funny.

    Rooney is average, not very funny - Barca 4eva, you may rue that comment come the summer!!!

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  • 96. At 1:59pm on 12 Jan 2010, Haythnasr wrote:

    Robbo... where you when Boro were playing Middle Eastlands????? Looked like there were more people in the Blue Bell then there were at the Riverside. If it wasn't the cold what's the excuse for no one showing up to that match?

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  • 97. At 2:01pm on 12 Jan 2010, Sam Gillies wrote:

    Great blog as always Robbo...if people dislike it..stop reading it! It's good to see some witty banter.

    I am embarrassed to be a United fan reading these comments..."Fergie is losing his magic etc." What because he didn't blow the 80 million he got on unproven signings?? Surely half the people posting would be much better off supporting Man City as i'm sure they will be buying up all the worlds stars for the years to come...Meanwhile United don't do that, it's not our style, Fergie has made some poor signings..Veron comes to mind, but allthough Berbatov hasn't been amazing, he actually had the most assists last year for the entire team! Without him we lack shape...jesus. We don'thave an infinite amount of money, GET OVER IT! If any team had suffered the injuries we had it would be a miracle if they would be in our position...

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  • 98. At 2:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    Hi Jack - Im of a certain age but Cold Blow Lane escapes me .. its on tip of tongue!!! And apparently the clubs marketing men are looking at next year's away strip and have come up with these

    http://www.kerrydalestreet.com/page/Celtic+Kit

    I wouldnt care my scottish side is the other lot!!!


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  • 99. At 2:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, Cjd85 wrote:

    Utter rubbish Robbo!

    Sorry, love your blogs but i have to disagree with you (and defend my team!).

    "St Michael has pretty much proven Capello's case since he arrived" - that hat-trick away against Wolfsburg would suggest otherwise. The probelem is that Fergie sees him as a 'carbon copy' of Rooney - without one of the form players of the league in front of him he would be playing every game (and i suspect would walk into most squads in the league).

    I agree that we need a couple of new faces to freshen things up and despite gimpses of brilliance I am yet to be 100% convinced about Berba (remember him making James Collins look stupid against West Ham?).

    Agree with ldyzpjc - Fergie hasnt lost it but we just look like a team who have lost their top scorer and need to realise that everyone can contribute (imagine if Chelsea lost Drogba? Liverpool lost Torres? it would be exactly the same).

    I feel certain we will win the League Cup and will push Chelsea all the way in the league - with some new faces to come in the summer as Scholes, Giggs and Neville take their bows.

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  • 100. At 2:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    GOod one Robbo, i have to read 10billion comments all from United fans saying either a:"I'm scared, fergies lost us" or b:"we will b the greatest team ever, write us off at your peril"...

    Peril, i ask you...

    And fella who said "come south and let some your brain defrost" i'm in hampshire, in beautiful aldershot and it is cocking well freezing... YOu donnut!

    Anyway, every hurry up and post your ridiculous Manu comment so me and the regulars can talk about the important things in life...



    Oh great footy-names-cold-realted gags... SOmeone said Gael clICEy, should have said Gale (force) ClICEy...

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  • 101. At 2:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, Paresh wrote:

    ~89 Pilch you do have a point. What do you think of Rooney though he seems to want to curl the ball in the net rather than smash it. Prime example when Valencia squared it to him against Leeds and he tried to spin it into the net rather than put his laces through it !!

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  • 102. At 2:03pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Robbo, Robbo, Robbo. Did you add that last bit because you had forgot to wind Joe up this week?

    Anyway on to your regular United blog then. Nice to see you are still worried about us. Well you're really worried about Rooney and how he will do at the WC but you do your best to disguise it :)

    Now for the 467th time, United are rubbish this year. We were also rubbish last year but still managed to win the league. For the 3rd time on the trot no less. (Hey if WhitleyBay can keep mentioning cup wins then so can I).

    Now let me hark back to simpler and warmer times in about August when we all gave our season predictions...

    I said United were rubbish but would be in with a shout.
    I said it was Chelsea's to lose.
    I said City would just be City, get rid of their manager, flatter to decieve and provide moments of brilliance with moments of clattering laughter.
    I said Arseneal wouldn't do much but Arsene would continue with his brainwashing feat of managing to make everyone believe they were footballing Gods.
    And most importantly let us not forget that I said a certain team would finish outside the top 4.

    So there you have it, conclusive proof that I know what I am talking about and therefore am your superior!

    Until the end of the season of course, when the trophies are actually handed out and all the above predictions make me look like a Blue Bell regular after 136 pints of bitter and a dodgy parmo.

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  • 103. At 2:05pm on 12 Jan 2010, Darth Sydnius wrote:

    You make me laugh Robbo!

    I know whenever I am feeling down and depressed I can look up your blog and have a right giggle.

    I do wonder at times if you are some sort of automated widget (possibly a midget) that trawls the tabloid press sites and obscure forums to gather random topics and speculation with very little substance or intelligence to write about.

    Well done though......keeps us bored footie fans entertained in times of very little action on the pitch.

    Darth

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  • 104. At 2:05pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    96. At 1:59pm on 12 Jan 2010, Haythnasr wrote:
    Robbo... where you when Boro were playing Middle Eastlands????? Looked like there were more people in the Blue Bell then there were at the Riverside. If it wasn't the cold what's the excuse for no one showing up to that match?

    Ticket price .... plus have you seen our home record this year!?!?!? I'd rather have a parmo!!

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  • 105. At 2:08pm on 12 Jan 2010, AmarantineBlue wrote:

    nicolas: an elk, ah?

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  • 106. At 2:08pm on 12 Jan 2010, joao_danado wrote:

    I think most of the bloggers are spot on. Robbo always has a pop at Man U on his entries. I do understand that envying the most sucessful club around is normal, but every week? Come on, talk about something else. Chelsea's been playing rubbish for 5 weeks and the only line is "ow, it's good for them that games are being postponed now".
    Additionally, it is way too soon to write off United. And almost idiotic to mention Hansen on that topic. It seems Robbo is so eager for United to fail that he will jump on anything. And the worst of all is that...he is followed by United fans on the blogs whereas the non-United are the only sane brains!


    The same midfield was around two years ago when they were reaching CLs finals and winning the League. Yeah, Ronaldo is a massive irreplaceable factor, but it's essentially the same team. Plus, as some other blogger pointed out, you moaners weren't complaining a year ago when they were playing badly and winning games 1-0.
    Robbo and United fans need better vision.

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  • 107. At 2:09pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Darth Sydnius.... Great name sir!

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  • 108. At 2:10pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #101 Paresh - Rooney does seem to prefer to try and control the shot as opposed to the old fashioned putting his boot through it which with modern balls can end up anywhere.

    All players miss great chances from time to time and often down to poor shot selection, the less good players simply just miss the ball and there are way too many of those to list here.

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  • 109. At 2:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, AmarantineBlue wrote:

    is it just me or emile husky bears a stunning resemblance to an abominable snowman?

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  • 110. At 2:13pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    Gaz I was with you till you said superior...............
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    70. At 1:43pm on 12 Jan 2010, Pickalino wrote:

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    Hmm that would be ICE Pickalicicleno then.

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  • 111. At 2:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    109. At 2:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, AmarantineBlue wrote:
    is it just me or emile husky bears a stunning resemblance to an abominable snowman?
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    Funny that because there is a bloke called Emile Hesky who looks like a footballer

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  • 112. At 2:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    So finally caught up..

    Can't believe no-one has nominated Aaron Winter.

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  • 113. At 2:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Easy Gaz mate... hows tricks. You need to post more son, as your the only one who can get the gin soaked smoggy off his back-side and to his computer to respond to you... That and we all miss you lad.

    Anyone see that financial expert (his name exacpes me) last night on SSN, he used to work for united, he reckoned that your debt would be over a billion in less that 12 months... I tell you what my hampshire/surrey bretherin, i would be more worried about the coming seasons than this one... As i think a couple of you mentioned still very possible you win it this year... but your future is bleak, but i think if you look at it as character building you'll be good (those of you who dont replace your red shirts with sky blue ones that is)

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  • 114. At 2:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    "The only hope is that Chelsea do just as poorly, although the Lord in his infinite wisdom has seen fit to time this avalanche of postponements to coincide with the absence of Drogba, who along with Bellamy is the player of the season so far. "
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    I would say the 12 goals and 11 assists from cesc Fabregas make him the best player in the country so far this season......

    Good day all!

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  • 115. At 2:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    Would Jeff Winter be the chosen ref??

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  • 116. At 2:16pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    joao_danado If anyone needs better vision it's those who think Benetez is going to give them the premiership.
    All good things come to an end. I don't think this is the end of United at all, BUT IF it is I have seen enough to bask in the glory for years to come. Unlike other teams that have never won anything , or at least not in the last 5-10 years.

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  • 117. At 2:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    RBA, watch it fella!! You may upset some of the 13 year olds who have just changed allegiance from chelski!

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  • 118. At 2:18pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    114. At 2:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
    "The only hope is that Chelsea do just as poorly, although the Lord in his infinite wisdom has seen fit to time this avalanche of postponements to coincide with the absence of Drogba, who along with Bellamy is the player of the season so far. "
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    I would say the 12 goals and 11 assists from cesc Fabregas make him the best player in the country so far this season......

    Good day all!


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    Yeah we know you would.

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  • 119. At 2:18pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Ha ha, got to laugh at the Man ioU "fans"

    Fergy, (last month your god) has lost the plot?

    Rooney is the one saving grace in your team, if he was out for a lengthy period then you really would be in trouble.

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  • 120. At 2:19pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #116 Collie21 - if bad times are ahead, and with finances the way they are for most clubs, the premier league could be very different in 5-10 years.

    Make the most of basking, from experience of 1990s, it fades quickly (which older United fans also probably remember prior to the 1990s).

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  • 121. At 2:20pm on 12 Jan 2010, jamesmcconnell wrote:

    Robbo,
    I work in Vietnam with the VietnamICE, sorry -ese.Only 28c this week, and sunny.Sorry.
    I just hope for two reasons the weather is more clement this coming weekend.
    ( a ) There is football to watch on TV, instead of having to drink myself silly.
    ( b ) No more, Robbo's Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd Freezel
    Tevez, must be rated above the angry Taff,who didn't look too pleased to be substituted last night

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  • 122. At 2:20pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    IF Birmingham Sunderland and Fulham hadn't all decided to start playing krap, liverpool would be outside the top 10 now......I am gutted.

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  • 123. At 2:20pm on 12 Jan 2010, Friendlycard wrote:

    Robbo:

    You're soooo right about the weather cancellations, so thanks for blogging about it again. And I loved your team of cold names! First game at Cold Trafford?

    About United, yes, they've been poor. Given just a bit more consistency, Chelsea could have been out of sight by now. The point, though, is that Chelsea haven't taken advantage, they aren't out of sight, and no team managed by the wily Fergie should ever be written off.

    Berbatov was an expensive mistake - I think it became an ego, macho thing for Man Utd to wrestle him away from Tottenham. At the time, I felt £30m was a lot of money for a player who might net you 15 goals a season. And one of United's problems is that they're far too dependent on Rooney - who else would score for them in his absence, say through injury?

    When I first heard rumours that Rooney might be sold, I assumed that this was nonsense. It makes more sense, though, if you look at the financial situation. United generate huge revenues, but interest expense absorbs all and more of their profit - but for the sale of Ronaldo, they would have made a hefty loss last year, despite their EPL success and a lucrative run to the ECL final. Success (and hence revenues) are less assured this year, and the club is massively in debt. Even if Rooney isn't sold - and it still seems unlikely - Fergie isn't going to be able to spend much in either of the transfer windows.

    Which means, pretty much, that what you see is what you've got. If, like me, you watched Barca against Real at the end of November, you'd have to give United zero chance of success in Europe this season.

    Lots of clubs have problems - hefty debts, poor performances, and the crucial decision between either conserving cash or splashing it in the hope of success and increased revenues. The surprise, if there is one, is that United aren't the colossus that we thought - they have to take these same tough decisions.

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  • 124. At 2:21pm on 12 Jan 2010, Lokacious wrote:

    Robbo, you have mentioned the ACON, but failed to point out that little Malawi well and truly stuffed Algeria (before you say it - YES, the same Algeria England have drawn in their WC goup)

    On this basis it might be well to take Owen and let him fill his boots in that one game:-)

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  • 125. At 2:21pm on 12 Jan 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Who let the dogs out... I have never seen so many rabid Un**ed fans outside of old trafford.

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  • 126. At 2:21pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    # 120 Plich my man, I will be basking from the 90's and the noughties too. We won a bit this decade just past

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  • 127. At 2:22pm on 12 Jan 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    ICE!!

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  • 128. At 2:22pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #122 Erm when did Birmingham start playing poorly?? Are they not on one of their best runs in many years/decades and in their last game, got a point against Man Utd. If this is them being poor, they must be title contenders when playing well.

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  • 129. At 2:23pm on 12 Jan 2010, Briggsy wrote:

    I do agree United have been poor this season, but with the amount of injuries they have suffered, also minus Ronaldo, it's to be expected. Any team missing their two central defenders and, to a certain extent, their first choice right back will suffer eventually.

    If anything it's shown how poor the league has been this year in terms of quality. If United are poor, what does it say about Chelsea? It doesn't seem that long ago when Arsenal were wrote of by most people in the media as they trailed Chelsea by 11 points. Yet a little over a month later they missed the chance to go 1 point behind.

    With Ronaldo swanning of to the sunny climate of Spain it's not only shown that United are lacking in a touch quality but so is the Premiership.

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  • 130. At 2:23pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    At 2:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    Funny that because there is a bloke called Emile Hesky who looks like a footballer


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    This is the stupidest thing that has ever been written on this blog (some feat). Heskey looks absolutely nothing like a footballer. Especially when he is on the pitch.

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  • 131. At 2:23pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    Collie - I had much the same from 1970s and 1980s when we picked up a bit too, but it still fades fast.

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  • 132. At 2:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    This is the stupidest thing that has ever been written on this blog (some feat). Heskey looks absolutely nothing like a footballer. Especially when he is on the pitch.
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    Gaz... you haven't been here recently, that is obvious.

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  • 133. At 2:26pm on 12 Jan 2010, eezy_squeezy wrote:

    Please Robbo, for pity's sake, find a new tune to play on your increasingly uninspired wind up organ.

    This blog is starting to resemble the Bill Murray film Groundhog Day. And NOT in a positive way.

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  • 134. At 2:26pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    For those who say the top 4 are not as good anymore...

    If this is true then why did the English teams all win their CL groups!?!



    Ooops`sorry.

    But seriously, I think that the PL is much better this season, a lot more open and a lot more exciting, long may it continue.

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  • 135. At 2:27pm on 12 Jan 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:

    46. At 1:20pm on 12 Jan 2010, merc5m877 wrote:
    man u fan here.. i agree man u will win nothing this season. you could see from the first game at burnley. which they lost. no passion. the sparks gone. you lose 2 great players. ronaldo & tevez, and replace them with valencia & owen. Why didnt they spen the 80million on some good players. Dare i say, is fergy losing his magic?

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    Not sure it's Fergie's fault tbh... The only reason United made this so-callled 48 million pound profit last season cos they flogged Ronaldo. How are they supposed to make the 65 million they need to earn to keep the interest payments in check, unless they sell Vidic/Rooney/Ferdinand -and after that it's just cheap as chips... the Glazers might just be running United into a rather deep trough.

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  • 136. At 2:27pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    Ha Gaz you had me going there for a moment, I said look like as in Dressed the same way mate........nothing else.

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  • 137. At 2:27pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    RBA I cannot be held responsible for Robbo's replies. I dunno who can but I definitely can't. Blame Joe.

    One to United's finances...

    In simple terms (playing to the audience) United are a sound business and make healthy profits every year. They have an unparalled brand and are owned by a parent company who owes the debt.

    If the Glazers fail they will sell United and try to recoup what they can of their losses and believe me there will be any number of willing buyers.

    The amount of borrowing is the way business works these days (I don't agree with it myself but there you go).

    To say United are in financial difficulty or are in danger of going under is just poppycock and the dreams of the ABUs.

    (Unfortunately this is the same for Liverpool)

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  • 138. At 2:28pm on 12 Jan 2010, Friendlycard wrote:

    joao_danado:

    "I do understand that envying the most sucessful club around is normal"

    Point taken, but I don't think this is quite fair to Robbo. I can't recall him ever criticising Barcelona.

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  • 139. At 2:29pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    135. You might be right. The Glazers might be killing us. But the profit was just the sale of Ronaldo. It was match attendances, shirt sales, merchandising, competition winning. TV money etc; .... those are the solids that come all the time

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  • 140. At 2:30pm on 12 Jan 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:

    133. At 2:26pm on 12 Jan 2010, eezy_squeezy wrote:
    Please Robbo, for pity's sake, find a new tune to play on your increasingly uninspired wind up organ.

    This blog is starting to resemble the Bill Murray film Groundhog Day. And NOT in a positive way.

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    Will do me best to enliven your day next time. To be fair it's hard to change the record when there's no footy to speak of and United are leaking cash and not looking very good. What do you suiggest I write about? Wolfie Adams?

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  • 141. At 2:31pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    Gaz,the problem with the Glazers selling up (as I understand it)is that if they sell Un**ed for,say,£800 million,the buyer has to pay that and take on the current debt as well.

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  • 142. At 2:32pm on 12 Jan 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Gaz, I would rather be in Arsenal's position, financially, than Un**ed's.

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  • 143. At 2:33pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #140 Robbo - Instead of the Wolfman, how about the potential merger/takeover between PDC and BDC??

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  • 144. At 2:34pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    140. At 2:30pm on 12 Jan 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:

    What do you suggest I write about? Wolfie Adams?

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    That wouldn't take long.Martin "Wolfie" Adams,BDO world champion or first round loser in the pdc if he ever had the courage to give it a go.

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  • 145. At 2:34pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #141 JacksinBuxton

    All other things being equal, if, say, Man Utd are worth £800m and the debt is £600m, then any prospective buyer need only find £200m, based on asset value alone.

    They may wish to pay the Glazers a premium to sweeten the deal but that would be that.

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  • 146. At 2:35pm on 12 Jan 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    139... True collie... but take the 80 mil they got for ronaldo away and that profit is no more.

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  • 147. At 2:35pm on 12 Jan 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:

    139. At 2:29pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:
    135. You might be right. The Glazers might be killing us. But the profit was just the sale of Ronaldo. It was match attendances, shirt sales, merchandising, competition winning. TV money etc; .... those are the solids that come all the time

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    True enough Collie, but this bond thing they're proposing - can't rememebr the correct phrase is pretty much moving the deckchairs around a bit... the debt's still going to be there. And it's certainly true that there isn't going to be the vast pool of cash to lob at whoever in the next couple of years... in fact the blue half is the only one with deep pockets right now... I expect fergie to play his best eleven in the carling Cup as a statement needs to be made (and I actually wouldn't mind this slightly fanciful Mancini honeymoon being taken down a peg or two).

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  • 148. At 2:36pm on 12 Jan 2010, JIMufc wrote:

    How on earth you managed to get a job writing articles for the bbc i'll never know! What an utter disgrace and what a complete load of tosh.

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  • 149. At 2:37pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    With united fading, the crown of english football is undoubtably losing its biggest and brightest Jewel. the knock on effect for the premier league could be bad. But only in a financial sense, for the average fan, i see nothing but joy coming from the death of this giant... (sorry united fans).
    If/when ManU do demise, thier will be one less "big" team willing to pay "big" money for players, with supply and demand this will have a knock on effect lessening the value of all premiership players (this is already happening). With United and its glorious history in tatters, the premier league will attract less "big" named foreign footballers, and may lead to the export of "big" english players to Spain and Italy... This is a good thing for the england team, as our players would have to flourish in a new land, a big challenge which is not expereinced by any starting 11 england player, but something all (well most) of the brazillian starting 11 experience, it will build character and guile. Also with less foreign players coming in the emphasis on young english talent will increase... All round good news for our squad, all thanks to the death of this footballing goliath...

    Due to the current economic climate, but mainly the pound-euro exchange you can see that we are no longer able to spend in Europe as we once did, see reports of Saha to Arsenal if you have any doubts... The Prem will not be "the greatest" as it has been for a few years now, but it will always be the most passionate, and i for one belive that a more insular league with a refocus on the fan, rather than the sponsors is a good thing... The reason United will suffer is thier business plan was ill thought out, in a boom economy... now both the economy and United are going Bust.




    I should really note that nearly all of that is half cocked at best, i just started typing and got that at the end, kind of how robbo writes this blog...

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  • 150. At 2:38pm on 12 Jan 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:

    143. At 2:33pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:
    #140 Robbo - Instead of the Wolfman, how about the potential merger/takeover between PDC and BDC??

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    Well I hope it happens. The BDO winner has always come across as the charming amateur second prize when compared to Phil Taylor. Put 'em in the same nitespot for New Year and we'll see who is genuinely the best. That's the only 3 sentences I can come up with on the subject.

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  • 151. At 2:38pm on 12 Jan 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    148... How is someone's opinion a disgrace?

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  • 152. At 2:38pm on 12 Jan 2010, Friendlycard wrote:

    141. JacksinBuxton:

    The debt is owed by the Glazers' holding company, not the club itself, which is an asset belonging to the holding company. Thus, they would make a profit if they could sell the club for more than the debt, or a loss if they sold it for less.

    There's a phrase that I use about this - "clubs don't go bust - owners do". Though I don't think this applies in this instance. I'm sure that United are financially sound, it's just that they're in no position to buy players.

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  • 153. At 2:38pm on 12 Jan 2010, Briggsy wrote:

    The United debt might mean they are struggling in the transfer market but in no way does it mean that they will go under. If the bond issue works, and I don't see why it wouldn't as United (not the glaziers) business model remains essentially healthy and sound, the final outcome is that they will be able to pay off the PIK loans.

    Although I do love the fact when United reported the £21.8m loss last year no-one paid that much attention. probably due to the fact they were top of the league and doing quite well. Seems debt is only a major factor when the team isn't playing well.

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  • 154. At 2:39pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #147 Robbo Robson

    and I actually wouldn't mind this slightly fanciful Mancini honeymoon being taken down a peg or two
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    Well, I don't know who is making it fanciful, though it does seem to be being positively spun, but I think that given the fixtures that Man City have had since Mancini was appointed, what is to say that Husghes wouldn't have got exactly the same results?

    To that end, Mancini has does nothing yet.

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  • 155. At 2:41pm on 12 Jan 2010, Friendlycard wrote:

    153. Briggsy

    Actually, these are connected. If you're playing well, huge revenues come in from cup runs, bonuses and so on. If your on-the-field performance dips, so does revenue, which makes debt more of an issue.

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  • 156. At 2:41pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    I never want to be in Arsenal's position for anything. Especially not those nights with Arsene.

    Look I am not saying that United's financial position is as good as it could be but talk of bankruptcy or folding is just hogwash.

    And you cannot use the "if they hadn't sold Ronaldo they wouldn't have made a profit" excuse. No single factors are taken into account in any companys dealings, it's the bottom line that counts. (Although I may have heard that from a wrestler).

    At the moment United and, dare I say it, Liverpool are in somewhat the same boat. (If the anchor goes missing we know who did it).

    Both clubs are owned by parent companies who owe a lot of interest. These interest payments are somewhat curtailing spending but not in the same way as in a normal business because football is unique.

    Neither club will go bust or disappear because (at the minute) their brands are too recognisible and too profitable.

    If the parent companies go the wall (a somewhat remote but still real possibility) then what will happen is either...

    a) The parent company tries to sell the club for as much as they can get in the first instance. This may or may not include the sale of the debt.

    b) Liquidators (they're like those men with the bulging jackets who come round for your payment on that loan you got for the new cladding for our Boro readers) will take control of the parent company and sell it's assets for as much as they can get in order to pay off the debt.

    In either case both United and Liverpool will have many suitors.

    Now before this reaches economic discussions of biblical proportions can we just agree that Communism is the way to go. (We will all have to agree it soon enough when the Chinese take over anyway).

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  • 157. At 2:42pm on 12 Jan 2010, Dazz wrote:

    Nigeria did a similar thing in the Quarter-Final of the U-20 World Cup against the USSR in 1998 widely known as 'The Miracle of Dammam' in apparent refernce to the venue - Dammam, Saudi Arabia coming from 4-0 down with 28 minutes left to win the match (on penalties) and storm into the semi-final. They unfortunately lost in the final to a Portugal side featuring the likes of Paolo Sousa, Jaoa Pinto and Fernando Couto and coached by the very same Carlos Queiroz

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  • 158. At 2:42pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    153. At 2:38pm on 12 Jan 2010, Briggsy wrote:
    Seems debt is only a major factor when the team isn't playing well.
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    Surely that's exactly the point. United won the league and reached the Champions League final so were obviously playing well and still made a loss. The debt is only servicable while Un**ed are pleying well and winning trophies. If they don't keep playing well and bringing in the money associated with winning trophies they won't be able to service the debt. If they miss out on the Champions League one year (which could happen even though Un**ed fans won't agree) they will miss out on a large revenue stream and then could face problems

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  • 159. At 2:44pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    re 147 : As I understand it the bond share refinances the debt making the interest on it a lot less than the current debt, so it's not just moving the deckchairs around. I can't remember who but one of the finance guys explained it the other day somewhere on the beeb. The upshot is that if they did as well this year as last, they would have more profit, but already going out of the cup, and no one to sell really, I cant see that happening yet. They have done the cost cutting thingy too. However City and Chelski as far as I know made a loss. Yes I would prefer it was different. In the meantime, We are still champions, Second in the league, players off somewhere in the Sun, healing up nicely. It should make for a very interesting run in. Unlike QPR......oh sorry Boro.

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  • 160. At 2:44pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    At 2:38pm on 12 Jan 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    How is someone's opinion a disgrace?

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    See Wenger, Arsene.

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  • 161. At 2:45pm on 12 Jan 2010, barca4ever wrote:

    The top four has been poor for years but the other 14 teams have not had the guts to go for it except now. What is the difference between now and then? Almost every team in the first 7 on the premier league have a billionaire owner and also have quality players and with the players comes the belief that they can beat any team so they are giving it a go this time and the top four are now being exposed for what they have been for years. The quality of the top four did not drop, The quality of about 8 other teams improved.

    86, What teams were in their group during the World Cup qualifying Campaign? How many times has he been nominated in the top five for the European footballer of the year or FIFA footballer of the year? Even with top scoring in the qualifiers and getting to the champions league final, He still didn't make the top five.

    92, Micheal Owen was European footballer of the year. He might be average now but he was not average then. In 2006-2007 KAKA carried AC MIlan to the champions league and was top scorer. Ronaldo and Messi did the same. Gerrard did it for Liverpool. Thiery Henry almost did it for Arsenal. What has Rooney done to deserve the World Class tag? NOTHING.
    There are Two world class players in England. John Terry, Steven Gerrard.

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  • 162. At 2:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    154. At 2:39pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
    #147 Robbo Robson

    and I actually wouldn't mind this slightly fanciful Mancini honeymoon being taken down a peg or two
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    Well, I don't know who is making it fanciful, though it does seem to be being positively spun, but I think that given the fixtures that Man City have had since Mancini was appointed, what is to say that Husghes wouldn't have got exactly the same results?

    To that end, Mancini has does nothing yet.

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    What? City have only conceeded one goal in the league since he took over and the last time they had a clean sheet under Hughes was August. So I would say for one Hughes wouldn't have got the same results.

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  • 163. At 2:47pm on 12 Jan 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Gaz comrade, the revolution is nigh.

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  • 164. At 2:47pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    Re the glazers& nos 145,152.
    I'm happy to stand corrected on this.
    I know that in normal circumstances when a company in debt is bought(the only example I can come up with isn't the best)such as The Phoenix Group buying Rover for £1 from BMW,they take the debt.
    Is it the same for these leverage buy outs?I'm sure I read that to buy Un**ed/Liverpool in these circumstances means paying the market price and taking on the debt?

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  • 165. At 2:47pm on 12 Jan 2010, lsmith84 wrote:

    Very amusing Robbo. Liked it.

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  • 166. At 2:47pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    147. At 2:35pm on 12 Jan 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:

    this bond thing they're proposing - can't rememebr the correct phrase is pretty much moving the deckchairs around a bit

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    The name is bond. Bond issue.

    Of course it is. Its what happens in big business every day of the week. The REALLY surprising thing about it at the minute is that hardly anyone can get a loan. It just proves what a big brand United are that there are money men willing to take a punt on them.

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  • 167. At 2:48pm on 12 Jan 2010, Briggsy wrote:

    #149

    "With United and its glorious history in tatters, the premier league will attract less "big" named foreign footballers, and may lead to the export of "big" english players to Spain and Italy"

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    So United drop out the top four and sunddenly Gerrard, Johnson, Lampard, Terry, A. Cole, Barry and all other english players all what to leave the country and start playing in Spain! How odd.

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  • 168. At 2:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    At 2:45pm on 12 Jan 2010, barca4ever wrote:

    There are Two world class players in England. John Terry, Steven Gerrard.


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    Disregard my earlier statement.

    THIS is the stupidest thing that has ever been written on this blog.

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  • 169. At 2:51pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #157 GazUtd

    Firstly, at £80m, the sale of Ronaldo is one single factor that can be taken into account. The question on that is, was this sale convenient, forced or simply too good to turn down? Either way, the sale proceeds make the balance sheet look a whole lot better than it would have done.

    Secondly, the holding company structure is neither here nor there. You can have a holding company with £1 of share capital or £1trillion of share capital but the group as a whole have assets and liabilities as a whole.

    Thirdly, in terms of the liquidators, let's think about the situation that necessitates their appointment. It is usually because the assets of an entity, in this case the Man U group, are considered to be worth less than their liabilities and they can't secure more finance. In this situation, suitors know that they can get assets on the cheap and therefore the assets may not realise even the carrying value that has been shown in the accounts.

    Also, where are these potential suitors and what would be their motives?

    We can be fairly sure that, for example, Abramovich is in it for fun and pleasure rather than to make money. This may also prove to be true of the new owners of Man City. Are their any more like that out their? If not, the next person may be similar to the likes Hicks and Gillett at Liverpool and the Glazers at Man U in that they want their asset to realise a profit.

    Uncertain times is the best that can be said right now.

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  • 170. At 2:51pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Please Robbo, for pity's sake, find a new tune to play on your increasingly uninspired wind up organ.

    This blog is starting to resemble the Bill Murray film Groundhog Day. And NOT in a positive way.

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  • 171. At 2:52pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    Some even said GM can is too big to fail.

    And some more said it about AIG, Chrysler, .......

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  • 172. At 2:54pm on 12 Jan 2010, bobbieflowers wrote:

    Robbo, re the game cancellation, bang on once again!

    I read your blog last week but didn't have time to comment on it. I just wanted to congratulate you once again on being the voice of reason in this increasing mad world...and have a bit of a moan as well if u will quickly indulge...

    I can't believe they have cancelled all those games to protect people who would have otherwise attended from (apparently) themselves.

    What did the authorities have in mind when they took this action? lots of woolly hat wearing, scarf clad fans forming human chains across sub zero rivers? man u fans tracking literally hundreds of miles across frozen tundra...resorting to canabalism when the half time sandwiches had ran out?? The fools!!...we must save them from themselves!

    I like the way that according to the wisdom of these so called authorities, it's ok for me to risk my life in these 'extreme' conditions to get to work (that apparently is a "necessary journey" - worth dying for in their eyes) but a trip to watch a game of football is the realm of the clinically insane and must be snuffed out.

    in the words of Alan partridge - this country

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  • 173. At 2:55pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Man United are so poor that when they go to KFC, they have to lick other people fingers!

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  • 174. At 2:55pm on 12 Jan 2010, bobbieflowers wrote:

    173. At 2:55pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
    Man United are so poor that when they go to KFC, they have to lick other people fingers!

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    lol - v funny!

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  • 175. At 2:56pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #162 collie21

    Good point, and one I was not aware of. However, I stand by the point that Hughes may have steered Man City to four victories just the same, albeit with a narrower goal difference.

    As we know, it's points that make prizes. (Sorry for that.)

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  • 176. At 2:56pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    For a moment I thought I landed on the 606 page.

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  • 177. At 2:58pm on 12 Jan 2010, vijitguns wrote:

    "Bellamy is the player of the season so far"


    Very controversial statement Robbo... U forgot cesc... rooney

    But i loved reading the whole blog...

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  • 178. At 2:59pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Please Robbo, for pity's sake, find a new tune to play on your increasingly uninspired wind up organ.

    This blog is starting to resemble the Bill Murray film Groundhog Day. And NOT in a positive way.
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    Please Robbo, for pity's sake, find a new tune to play on your increasingly uninspired wind up organ.

    This blog is starting to resemble the Bill Murray film Groundhog Day. And NOT in a positive way.
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    Please Robbo, for pity's sake, find a new tune to play on your increasingly uninspired wind up organ.

    This blog is starting to resemble the Bill Murray film Groundhog Day. And NOT in a positive way.

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  • 179. At 2:59pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    8. At 2:18pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:
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    And find me someone who has played better? Drogba? Maybe, but then he is surrounded by experienced internationals who cost an absolute fortune. Bellamy, the same goes for him. Fabregas, plays alongside Diaby and Song in the middle of our team and still manages to produce those figures, to me that means he ha splayed as well, if not better than Bellamy and Drogba.

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  • 180. At 2:59pm on 12 Jan 2010, green_manc wrote:

    WhitleyBayWonTheVase, agree completely with what you are saying about these ‘so called united fans’ questioning SAF! I am a 20 something year old United Fan myself but would never ever question the man, how could you?? The man is a complete genius; yes he likes a moan and a whinge but who doesn’t eh!!? For me it will be a sad day when SAF retires.

    I really love folk saying United won’t win anything, how can you write us off!!!? Yes, we’ve been pants for the 1st half of the season but we are sitting in 2nd place well in contention of 4 in a row!! If we’ve been so pants what does it say about Chelski and Arsenal? May is still 4months away! We’ve done it before and I’ve no doubt we’ll do it again!

    Btw, it’s not only the something year olds questioning SAF, I’ve heard quiet a few 40 something year olds and older folk at it too! To be honest it makes me sick!

    MUFC THE RELIGION!

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  • 181. At 3:00pm on 12 Jan 2010, ZEUSFC wrote:

    not winter related, but in our footy pub, there's an old boy whose missus always refers to Berbatov as
    "the ornament"

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  • 182. At 3:00pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #161 Barca - suggest you review the league closer first before making your comments. For example, there are sixteen other teams not fourteen. To be fair everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it is misguided and blinkered.

    Couldn't agree more with Gaz's comment #168.

    Suggest you stay watching Barca and comment on a league which you follow.

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  • 183. At 3:01pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #180 green_manc

    Just out of interest, how did you come to be a Man U fan?

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  • 184. At 3:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, Jamie Presland wrote:

    Bit harsh on United I think. True they aren't playing well but a draw against B'ham, form team of the league, at St Andrews isn't a disaster. With Chelsea and Arsenal not playing any better I think its a bit premature to make a trophyless season a "certainty". Forget the Cup of Nations, Chelsea have been dropping points WITH Drogba and Essien recently, Arsenal are still soft-centred, and Liverpool are already out of it.
    Back to United, last league game before B'ham they beat Wigan 5-0, and I don't think the players have performed as badly as everyone makes out. I'm not saying they are on top form because they obviously aren't. But with only one defender everpresent, and VDS out for most of the season, of course they will concede goals. Carrick, Fletch, Park and Anderson have in fact scored 6 goals between them, Owen has 7 for the season (one more than your "player of the season" Bellamy) and Valencia has scored almost as many goals as Ronaldo this season from open play (though I'm not for a minute suggesting he is anywhere near as good).
    Yes United rely on Rooney, but nothing is wrong with that. He is a United player. Every team has players they rely on: Arsenal and Fabregas, Chelsea and Drogba, Liverpool and Torres (even more important than Gerrard now).
    If they are still just a point behind Chelsea at this stage and playing badly, when the turn the corner and start to perform they could pull away. Rather than taking this poor form to suggest their run of titles is over, maybe we should see it as indicative that another one is near...

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  • 185. At 3:07pm on 12 Jan 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    I said Arseneal wouldn't do much but Arsene would continue with his brainwashing feat of managing to make everyone believe they were footballing Gods
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    I never want to be in Arsenal's position for anything. Especially not those nights with Arsene
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    See Wenger, Arsene.

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    uh, oh...the Gaz cd is skipping again.

    Robbo - be a dear and give it a swift kick!

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  • 186. At 3:07pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    I miss JDR.

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  • 187. At 3:08pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Have you heard the story about the old lady that lived in a shoe? Well Man United is so poor, they live in a flip flop.

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  • 188. At 3:08pm on 12 Jan 2010, Tim Hawkins wrote:

    United can only get better - which with them being second means they'll win the premiership. Chelsea have kind of blown it really, all the chances United have given them and although they are still to be respected should have the whole thing pretty much sown up now. Arsenal are still in with a shout - says it all really!

    What is it with the BBC anyway having a pop at United like the newest member of the yawn yawn ABU Brigade (haven't we heard it all before!?!) makes for lazy journalism.

    It of course helps having at least four fit defenders and Van Der Sar being out hasn't helped, glad some comments have pointed that out - again just lazy journalism.... Robbo in case you hadn't realised the holiday season is over!

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  • 189. At 3:09pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    184. Jamie Presland.

    I WISH we could rely on Fabregas.

    The only thing that we can rely on lately is that there will always be players injured.

    Maybe a new physio in the transfer window should be Arsene's biggest target.

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  • 190. At 3:09pm on 12 Jan 2010, bobbieflowers wrote:

    187. At 3:08pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
    Have you heard the story about the old lady that lived in a shoe? Well Man United is so poor, they live in a flip flop.

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    funny...not as good as the KFC one...but the bar was set quite high...keep em coming!

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  • 191. At 3:09pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    At 2:51pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    Uncertain times is the best that can be said right now.

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    A lot less uncertain than having an owner who could walk away at any second leaving a small brand on the market with not a lot of people wanting to buy it.

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  • 192. At 3:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, GINOLLLLA wrote:

    Wow... there was only a few comments before I went to lunch.

    I think this shows how spoilt a lot of United fans can be... 2nd in the league, okay they're not looking the force they usually do, but to even question SAF or Rooney is ridiculous.

    The debts are your own fault, much to the same tune as most clubs (again, thanks for the 50m for Berba & Carrick)

    I see Gooners are away to Bolton this weekend, how about United and Chelsea?

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  • 193. At 3:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    183. At 3:01pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
    #180 green_manc

    Just out of interest, how did you come to be a Man U fan?

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    City fans have been living in groundhog day for many a year.

    I know I really shouldn't do this but...

    Why does it matter MrBlue?

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  • 194. At 3:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #184 Jamies Presland

    You're right to point out that when all is said and done, Man U are still there or thereabouts. You are also right to say that, in terms of the Chelsea challenge, they have dropped points without Drogba and Essien. However, we have also gained victories, and points depending on the competition, without Drogba and Essien. Also, people say Man U are playing poorly and are still there, well, Chelsea didn't exactly have a sparkling December and are still top, and being top is the only stat that really matters.

    I don't know how the season will finish but to extrapolate from what we know, Man U are less likely to win the league than they were in August.

    (Also, I could point out that Chelsea have a new, learning manager, whereas as other teams have managers that probably know all their is to know about the English league already.)

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  • 195. At 3:12pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    185. At 3:07pm on 12 Jan 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:
    I said Arseneal wouldn't do much but Arsene would continue with his brainwashing feat of managing to make everyone believe they were footballing Gods
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    I never want to be in Arsenal's position for anything. Especially not those nights with Arsene
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    See Wenger, Arsene.

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    uh, oh...the Gaz cd is skipping again.

    Robbo - be a dear and give it a swift kick!


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    I REALLY REALLY shouldn't do this but....



    Denis, me oul mucker, how's it going? Are we still on for that pint?

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  • 196. At 3:13pm on 12 Jan 2010, Rod-the-Fierce wrote:

    WhitleyBayWonTheVase I'm sorry but you either fancy Rooney or you're a bit frustrated in some way. I agree in part with what the man Dan is saying (he never said Rooney was a crap player, just that his form isn't a good as people make it out to be). Im a United fan and watch all their matches live (I do hope you don't base your opinions 100% on what you see and hear on Match of the Day? You do know how a highlights program works yes?), and Rooney's link up play has been a bit off, hes in just too much of a rush most of the time. A good example would be the Aston Villa game recently. Villa played well and won but Utd couldve won easily if Rooneys through balls were of a decent standard, Villa's defence really messed up 3 or 4 times but Utd couldn't capitalise.

    I'm not too bothered about what Hansen says about Utd as most people have been sayin the same rubbish all season i.e. Utd don't score as much anymore(wrong-they've scored more this season), Utd aren't as consistant as the big teams around them(wrong they're at most 4 points behind the leaders) and now their Midfield is being slagged off. I'd love to see how Chelskis or Arsenals 1st-team Midfield would do after 2 or 3 weeks playing defence. I find people ignorance of this issue startling!!

    The only stick that truly sticks is the financial issue. I'm not an economist but when a club has a run of 3 very successful seasons and gets 80 million and STILL can't maintain their debt let alone reduce it, it sounds like bankruptcy is round the corner. I hope I'm wrong.

    PS Wenger in my opinion is over-rated based purely on his naive approach to tactics He mustn't have the smartest of intellects if he thinks pretty football with very good players(they're not youngsters anymore) will win trophies. You don't see any other successful manager deploying such an attitude(except Barca but theyve the best Midfield in the game), not because they don't know how to get their team playing like arsenal but because they recognise to play such a way is limited and requires the team to play 100% every game. Anyway rant over....for now.

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  • 197. At 3:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, Zootmac wrote:

    186 pilch666: "I miss JDR".

    Every time?

    Try re-setting the sight and aim slightly above the eyebrows.

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  • 198. At 3:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    173. At 2:55pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
    Man United are so poor that when they go to KFC, they have to lick other people fingers!

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  • 199. At 3:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, madeiraman57 wrote:

    As a lifelong Manchester United fan ( 53 years ) , I agree with Posters# 91 and 184, United may not be the well oiled machine we all know and love ( or hate... ) , but we are 2nd and can and will improve after this icy spell finishes.
    Of the other teams in contention for our PL title, only Arsenal and City are playing well.
    I believe as the walking wounded return for a good period, we will hit form and still be Champions in May.
    Fergie will sell the under achievers as soon as decent offers come in. Leave Owen alone, he is going to serve us well Feb - May, no problem.!

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  • 200. At 3:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    I'm no financial genius, (not any kind of genius truth be told) but won't the selling of bonds just dilute the price of the exsisting shares, making the Glaziers holdings less valuable?

    Sorry if it's a silly question.

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  • 201. At 3:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    194. At 3:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    I don't know how the season will finish but to extrapolate from what we know, Man U are less likely to win the league than they were in August.


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    Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

    I think you will find that at the end of August Chelsea were top and United were 3rd.

    Now Chelsea are top and United are 2nd.

    Wouldn't that make United in a better position and therefore more likely to win?

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  • 202. At 3:16pm on 12 Jan 2010, GINOLLLLA wrote:

    Also I think the rest of the league has improved greatly.

    Look at Sunderland, Fulham, Birmingham, City, they're all higher than they would usually expect to be. 3 of these also have a bit of money to play with now too, the competition of the league is tougher than before... = United not getting it as easy as they used too = blame someone

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  • 203. At 3:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:

    190. At 3:09pm on 12 Jan 2010, bobbieflowers wrote:
    187. At 3:08pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
    Have you heard the story about the old lady that lived in a shoe? Well Man United is so poor, they live in a flip flop.

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    funny...not as good as the KFC one...but the bar was set quite high...keep em coming!

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    Man Utd are so poor when Benetez found out he bought a bunch of useless players and sold the rest for a loss to make liverpool finally do something better than United :-)

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  • 204. At 3:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, crash wrote:

    'PS Wenger in my opinion is over-rated based purely on his naive approach to tactics He mustn't have the smartest of intellects if he thinks pretty football with very good players(they're not youngsters anymore) will win trophies. You don't see any other successful manager deploying such an attitude(except Barca but theyve the best Midfield in the game)'

    Right.Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets - all out of Barcelona's own youth squads. Barca have prove you can do it. Arsenal are following in Barca's shadow but with that system, they have a security that the likes of my Liverpool and Man U cant boast.
    I wish more team's were run like Arsenal. In fact, Liverpool are hopefully progressing to that state, especially now our budget is very very tight.

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  • 205. At 3:18pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    GazUtd

    #191 - Chelsea's financial position has improved every year since 2004. Lower losses and now lower debts. Also, there is absolutely no sign whatsoever that Abramovich is going any time soon. Why can't people just accept that at face value.

    #194 - I meant no respect to Green Manc with that question. It was just that given his age, which he had stated, I would suggest that he is not best placed to comment on what the trials that being a fan can present. He has known little other than success in his time as a fan (Ferguson has been manager longer than Green Manc has been alive - doesn't that make US feel old?) and that true tests are when teams are on their downers rather than seemingly perpetual uppers. I wasn't really questioning his support but I felt it is quite possible that he has become a fan on the back of success (as many do, and there is nothing particularly wrong with that, it's natural) and that he is not best placed to comment on what a lack of success may mean to the strength of his support.

    Ok?

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  • 206. At 3:18pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Manchester City have replaced city rivals Manchester United in a partnership agreement with Portuguese side Sporting Lisbon. The deal will give City first option should Sporting sell any of their players.

    This is an intersting story, which has yet to be mentioned thus far... what are the thoughts on this?

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  • 207. At 3:19pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    Gaz, Denis,

    I thought you guys did meet up to have beer
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PWsyVBvNUGU/R7iY5IwiqDI/AAAAAAAAA28/HnlkNMbuhXw/S660/beer-drinking-babies.jpg


    On another note, how are both of you doing?

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  • 208. At 3:19pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #197 Zoot - LMAO

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  • 209. At 3:19pm on 12 Jan 2010, bobbieflowers wrote:

    203. At 3:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, collie21 wrote:
    190. At 3:09pm on 12 Jan 2010, bobbieflowers wrote:
    187. At 3:08pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
    Have you heard the story about the old lady that lived in a shoe? Well Man United is so poor, they live in a flip flop.

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    funny...not as good as the KFC one...but the bar was set quite high...keep em coming!

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    Man Utd are so poor when Benetez found out he bought a bunch of useless players and sold the rest for a loss to make liverpool finally do something better than United :-)

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    erm...guess u had to be there

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  • 210. At 3:19pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    186. At 3:07pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:
    I miss JDR.
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    Disregard Gaz'z earlier statements.

    THIS is the stupidest thing that has ever been written on this blog.

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  • 211. At 3:21pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    205. At 3:18pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
    GazUtd

    #191 - Chelsea's financial position has improved every year since 2004. Lower losses and now lower debts. Also, there is absolutely no sign whatsoever that Abramovich is going any time soon. Why can't people just accept that at face value.

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    Erm, I wasn't talking about Chelsea.

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  • 212. At 3:23pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #200 H2H

    Bonds are loans, not shares. Therefore, the ownership will not be diluted it's just replacing one loan for another.

    #201 GazUtd

    By 'August' I meant the beginning of the season. Do you think trying to be clever makes you look good or makes people respect you more? It doesn't, it just serves to undermine any good points that you make.

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  • 213. At 3:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, OneWheelShortOfAUnicycle wrote:

    Maybe it needs for one of the bigger clubs to go into administration to show that foreign ownership isnt the best way forward. You need to sustain within your means, not just throw cash around and think about the consequences later.

    Look at Arsenal, sound financial position, and soon to be the best club in England.

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  • 214. At 3:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #210 To be fair, once JDR gets over his love-hate (well more hate) relationship with Robbo, he does normally make some valid and well thought-out comments. Which is more than can be said for some others I have read today.

    #206 RBA - I saw that article earlier as well. First and main question is I guess is how good is Sporting's youth system and how many good players has it produced??

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  • 215. At 3:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    This blog is inexusebly poor.

    The first part of it (even by your own admission) is more or less just repitition from last weeks uninspiring and meaningless effort.

    The rest of the blog doesnt get much better. A "Robbo" dig at a big 4 club in order to fish for a few comments and then we have the usual Robbo pantomime acts of Nani the garnish, Berbatove the Lazy, The Gelled Tumbler - even the "Blue Bell" regulars have got in on the act at the end in order to create a cringingl bad list and to try and spark some childish game of lets make up wintery footballers names.

    It seems a bit rich for you to be criticing a lack of football action hen you yourself are producing material of such a low and banal standard. As usual football takes a back seat to Robbo's inflamatory rants, cringing gags and Blue Bell activities.

    You may feel this criticism is harsh - and reading it back it I must admit it sounds more severe than I intended but I think you have to acknowledge that even with limited football action going on there is only so much you can depend on "in the good old days we played in 3 feet of snow" rant and a cheap dig at a top 4 club. Its all too familiar Robbo and really is just giving the reader nothing of value.

    Even with the bad weather football has still been played - why not comment on Man City's start under Mancini, the African Cup of Nations and the issue srrounding Togo and their treatment, the January transfer window - surely these would have been more worthy sbject material than the usual reliance on old material from previous blogs. Why not repost last weeks blog and save everyone the effort of reading this? For what its worth Man Utds next two games are home to Burnley and Hull so your criticism may come back to haunt ou as they could easily be top of the PRemiership in ten days or so - not to mention in pole position for the years first "major trophy".



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  • 216. At 3:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, barca4ever wrote:

    168 & 182, Gaz and Pilch please can you name the other English players that are World Class apart from the Terry and Gerrard and state your criteria for calling them World Class? Prove to me that my comment is the stupidest comment on this blog?

    Pilch, I follow the English League and I agree that there are 16 teams. We call that typographical error. Thanks for the correction.

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  • 217. At 3:26pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #211 GazUtd

    For the sake of clarity, the Blue in MrBlueBurns is the royal blue of Chelsea not the Sky blue of Man City. Apologies for any confusion.

    (And anyway, why do some fans like to think that other teams owners, who are wealthy beyond most people's comprehension, are always on the verge of walking away? Does it make them feel better?)

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  • 218. At 3:26pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    212 MrBB

    United fans have this need to continually snigger at our less illustrious neighbours.

    You may have heard the chant at several matches... "Let's all laugh at Citeh"

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  • 219. At 3:28pm on 12 Jan 2010, eezy_squeezy wrote:

    140. At 2:30pm on 12 Jan 2010, Robbo Robson wrote:
    133. At 2:26pm on 12 Jan 2010, eezy_squeezy wrote:
    Please Robbo, for pity's sake, find a new tune to play on your increasingly uninspired wind up organ.

    This blog is starting to resemble the Bill Murray film Groundhog Day. And NOT in a positive way.

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    Will do me best to enliven your day next time. To be fair it's hard to change the record when there's no footy to speak of and United are leaking cash and not looking very good. What do you suiggest I write about? Wolfie Adams?
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    Well, 'Wolfie' did win a world title, so he is definitely worthy of a mention. However, if you want a suggestion, here goes;

    Instead of throwing more bread crumbs to the pathetic ABU galleries to digest, how about an an article on how bad Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea have been? Or the real emergence of Man City as a 'big club'? Owen Coyle's sideways shuffle to Bolton, perhaps? The shift in power (financially and football-wise) toward Spain's La Liga?

    I mean, if United are so obviously poor this year, then why are they right behind the leaders and still in the champion's league? Surely that means that Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool (obviously) have been more than a bit inept. There is more than one story here. That you've chosen to go down the usual United bashing route is little surprise.

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  • 220. At 3:29pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    212 Thanks MrBlueBurns.

    Does this mean that when people say that "my word is my bond" that they are not actually giving you their word they are just loaning it out?

    Confusing all this financial stuff...

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  • 221. At 3:30pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    Me and my big mouth.

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  • 222. At 3:30pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    214, very true mate... (in regards to sportings youth and JDRs comments).

    Why is it when ever its a united article, it turns to this frenzied hate-fest, save it for 606 or the playground... I think everyone should just meet up and have a massive fight about it, i'm yet to hear of a debate or difference that can't be settled with a big old fight.

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  • 223. At 3:30pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    MrBB I apologise for thinking you were one of the City mob.

    For the record I don't think if Abromovich walks from Chelsea that they will go bust. I think they now have a brand big enough to survive on their own footing. Same can't be said for City.

    Barca4ever nevermind people telling you the world class players in England, the fact that you think Terry and Gerrard are world class proves your stupidity.

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  • 224. At 3:30pm on 12 Jan 2010, dyrewolfe wrote:

    Great article Robbo...had me chuckling quite a few times - not least with this gem:

    "I'm not saying it's a Nanny State, but I fully expect the next PM to be Mary Flipping Poppins".

    I completely agree with you and Monsieur Wenger that the Health & Safety brigade are getting just as bad as the PC brigade.

    I for one am enjoying the fact that the top end of the Premier League is more "competitive" than it has been for some time, with all the Big 4 dropping points. Hope it stays that way for the rest of the season.

    I also agree, that given Man Utd's current player and money troubles, its amazing they are still second. I have to praise Ol' Red Nose (through gritted teeth, of course) for the job he's done in keeping them in contention for the title. Still, I do hope that Arsenal can pip both them and Chelsea at the last minute.

    I wasn't too upset at the Boro v Swansea match being called off, as Strachan needs time to get all his Celtic lads down to the Riverside and get them "bedded in". I just hope they're as good as he thinks they are, or else we're in a whole world of trouble!

    Finally, immense respect to the organisers and cometitors at the African Cup of Nations, for continuing in the face of tragedy. I just hope the Algerian aauthorities are able to capture or kill those responsible for the shootings.

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  • 225. At 3:31pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #212 GazUtd

    Have never been to Old Trafford unfortunately (something I mean sincerely) but the best Man U related chant I heard was in a Chelsea Man U game when the fans were signing 'who the f are Man U' and this was clearly picked up by the mics. Motson did his best to cover this with the statement 'and references to the away team their'. Timeless Motson!

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  • 226. At 3:31pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    214. At 3:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:
    #210 To be fair, once JDR gets over his love-hate (well more hate) relationship with Robbo, he does normally make some valid and well thought-out comments. Which is more than can be said for some others I have read today.

    #206 RBA - I saw that article earlier as well. First and main question is I guess is how good is Sporting's youth system and how many good players has it produced??

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    Ronaldo and Nani.....................sorry just Ronaldo!!

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  • 227. At 3:33pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #216 Rooney in my view is World class for reasons I have already mentioned and many others in this blog. The fact that both Barca and Real are willing to spend a small fortune to capture him is also quite telling. Pretty much all football managers would love to have Rooney in their team as well and I am guessing they know slightly more about football than you and I, unless of course you are one of them in disguise.

    I could also argue the case for Lampard (and to be fair against it as well). However, his goals per game for a midfielder stand up to anyone in the World. Which is probably a pretty good statistic to use.

    And as much as it pains me to say it, I cannot think of many, if any, better left backs than Cashley Cole. Am duly ignoring his personality etc and purely looking at him as a left back.

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  • 228. At 3:35pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #220 H2H

    'My word is my bond' I think actually means something like if, say, GazUtd says he'll do something and he has given his word, the strength of his name should add the value that is needed to give credibility.

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  • 229. At 3:36pm on 12 Jan 2010, lordSUPERFRED wrote:

    somebody once said you dont win anything with kids , well here is another , you dont win anything with yids
    too many Spurs players , Berbatov is the biggest waste of money I have ever seen , 31million for a player who puts as much effort as Pavorotti did slimming

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  • 230. At 3:36pm on 12 Jan 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Gaz - if Wenger and Fergie can somehow enjoy a nice Bordeaux together, then surely we could stand to have a pint or two! you're on, old boy...

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  • 231. At 3:36pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:


    137. At 2:27pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:
    To say United are in financial difficulty or are in danger of going under is just poppycock and the dreams of the ABUs.
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    Gaz I work in mergers and you know bugger all about the liabilities hanging over Man Utd and the Glaziers mate, I'd suggest a little homework before saying everything is hunky dory as you'll end up looking a complete plank ir or when the very real possibility of it falling down around the Glaziers ears happens. £800 million in negative equity + the asking price...say another £800 million and that is just to gain control of the club £1.6 billion. Did you also know that the number of £ billionaires has dropped drastically in the last 24 months and the possibility of lenders being as accommodating to the new owners as they were the Glaziers is practically zero....I would go on but probably lost you at "Gaz I work in mergers....."
    Blind faith will not sustain your club.

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  • 232. At 3:36pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #222 i'm yet to hear of a debate or difference that can't be settled with a big old fight.
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    Sounds worryingly like a statement a US president could make!!

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  • 233. At 3:37pm on 12 Jan 2010, snifferg wrote:

    What about the 'Cold' triplets - Ashley, Joe & Carlton ?

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  • 234. At 3:38pm on 12 Jan 2010, Smoggy Bob wrote:

    #96 - Because they were charging Premier League Prices to watch a League Two Team vs City's reserves! and we are fed up of being fleeced by our club.

    What worse fans voting with their feet or fans turning up like sheep to every game and being taken for a ride by the greedy owners??

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  • 235. At 3:39pm on 12 Jan 2010, Noctis wrote:

    United are poor but nobody is exceptional this season. It will be a season of graft and not flamboyance. United have the manager and the players (i.e. Fletcher and Rooney) to graft their way to the title. I see a one two Manchester top two.

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  • 236. At 3:39pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    231,Eggy.Thanks,I thought that was the case.
    If you work in mergers,why haven't you been lynched yet?Or do you say,when asked what you do,"Actually,I'm a mass murderer...."

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  • 237. At 3:40pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    145. At 2:34pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
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    The glaziers wouldnt sell for anything less than market value + the debt, they have spent more than £200 million on the club and would look to recoup much more than that during a sale, otherwise this whole excerise has been a waste of time for them.

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  • 238. At 3:40pm on 12 Jan 2010, barca4ever wrote:

    Barca4ever nevermind people telling you the world class players in England, the fact that you think Terry and Gerrard are world class proves your stupidity.
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    Its only people with low self esteem that curse people when asked a valid question and don't know what to answer. You called my point stupid and I asked you to prove why and then you call me stupid. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I am sorry I even tried rubbing minds with you. I apologise. I only hope I choose a more matured person next time. Kids Kids Kids.

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  • 239. At 3:40pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    ScotchEggs I never said everything was hunkdory.

    And you did lose me when you said you work in mergers, I was worried you were going to go on a religious diatribe about how there should only be mergers between a man and a woman.

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  • 240. At 3:41pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    231. At 3:36pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    137. At 2:27pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:
    To say United are in financial difficulty or are in danger of going under is just poppycock and the dreams of the ABUs.
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    Gaz I work in mergers and you know bugger all about the liabilities hanging over Man Utd and the Glaziers mate, I'd suggest a little homework before saying everything is hunky dory as you'll end up looking a complete plank ir or when the very real possibility of it falling down around the Glaziers ears happens. £800 million in negative equity + the asking price...say another £800 million and that is just to gain control of the club £1.6 billion. Did you also know that the number of £ billionaires has dropped drastically in the last 24 months and the possibility of lenders being as accommodating to the new owners as they were the Glaziers is practically zero....I would go on but probably lost you at "Gaz I work in mergers....."
    Blind faith will not sustain your club.

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    Using this principle, unless you work in football or lets say sport, you know sweet FA about football!!! Yes??

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  • 241. At 3:42pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    160. At 2:44pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:
    See Wenger, Arsene.
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    "We can go the whole league season unbeaten.....!"

    Yeah disgraceful opinion eh? I suppose it's better rambling on about requesting 17 minutes of extra time every time our team isn't winning though eh?

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  • 242. At 3:42pm on 12 Jan 2010, eezy_squeezy wrote:

    225. Mr Blue Burns

    Have never been to Old Trafford unfortunately (something I mean sincerely) but the best Man U related chant I heard was in a Chelsea Man U game when the fans were signing 'who the f are Man U' and this was clearly picked up by the mics...
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    Who we are; Winners of 3 European cups and 18 league titles. A huge and iconic name in the world of football and a worldwide fan base of millions. A club with a rich history and proud traditions.

    Who we aren't; A bunch of moronic chavs who follow a club with no history and even less class. A club propped up by a shady Russian billionaire. A club that's never won a single European cup. THAT is who we are not.

    Any more questions?

    That's who we are.

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  • 243. At 3:43pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    238. At 3:40pm on 12 Jan 2010, barca4ever wrote:
    Barca4ever nevermind people telling you the world class players in England, the fact that you think Terry and Gerrard are world class proves your stupidity.
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    Its only people with low self esteem that curse people when asked a valid question and don't know what to answer. You called my point stupid and I asked you to prove why and then you call me stupid. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I am sorry I even tried rubbing minds with you. I apologise. I only hope I choose a more matured person next time. Kids Kids Kids.

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    I'm sorry you tried rubbing anything with me. I wondered what that itch was.

    I should really add HAHAHAHAHA here but of course only a 'non-matured' person would do such a thing.

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  • 244. At 3:43pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    236. At 3:39pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:
    231,Eggy.Thanks,I thought that was the case.
    If you work in mergers,why haven't you been lynched yet?Or do you say,when asked what you do,"Actually,I'm a mass murderer...."
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    A mass mergerer?

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  • 245. At 3:44pm on 12 Jan 2010, Jamie Riley wrote:

    For me as a passionate 17 year old United fan, the current situation at United is dependant on how you approach it, with 'Glass half -empty' or 'Glass half-full.'

    Glass half-empty approach:

    Premier-league:

    It is clearly United are not a patch on where they were last season, and but for the poor performances/ inconsistencies by Chelsea this season, they would be out of sight in the Premier-league.

    Champions League:

    United just about done enough in Champions League qualification, falling behind in every one of their home-games only picking up 4 points out of a possible 9, - with our away tally saving us from embaressment.

    FA Cup:

    Terrible performance, epitomising everything I have been saying that players such as Welbeck, Obertan,- particularly aren't good enough for the championship never mind United.

    Carling Cup:

    United have been fortunate to get this far, if it wasn't for Tottenham's wastefulness United would be out of this as well.

    Current Financial State:

    If the money isn't there then this could be the end of United, - as a major force in football, if it wasn't forthe sale of Ronny we would have posted a substantial 30 million loss.

    On the Flip-side:

    Premier-League performance:

    Yes we haven't looked free-flowing, a bit more methodical, without the same threat in attack, however we are still right in the mix currently lying a single point behind Chelsea, - having played a game more. We have played the whole campaign with a 'patched -up-defence'- if you look at every great United team over the last 15 years, the common factor (recurrence) will always be United's team is always built on a strong defence, the likes of Bruce and Palli springing to mind at once. We have also been without our first choice keeper for the lions share of the season (VDS, - if you were wondering), who brings with him a certain leadership and composure.

    We have to come back from injury, to help us in what traditionally is the time we really stake a claim for the title.

    Despite all United's bother's this season, - they are only 3 point's behind where we were this stage last season, - so chin up.

    Chapions league:

    Qualification was virtually assured after 3 games after wins away at Besiktas, a home win against Wolfsburg and a win away at CSKA. On matchday 4, some admittedly apalling defending against CSKA gave us a mountain to climb, but we climbed it and in doing so this took us to that magic 10 point mark, and assured progression to the next stage. The home game against Besiktas Sir Alex used to give the youngsters a game, and albeit we didn't play great, however we still controlled the play for long periods, on occasions lacking alittle conposure and penetration and if it wasn't for a deflected strike, the youngsters would have earned a draw against a Champions group stage regular. Good experience none the less, even though the result went against us. Probably regretting not securing top spot in the previous game United headed to Germany needing a point to secure top-spot, with a depleted defence at best. The wholoe team dug in and up until the 60 minute mark the defence had virtually nothing to do other than clear up scraps, largely down to the hard-work and commitment of the team. And how could I forget Michael Owen made a mockery of his 'past it' tag scoring a memorable hatrick in the volkswagen arena, a stadium which Wolfsburg only last once in last seaon! One for the scrap-book.

    FA-Cup:

    Regardless of how you approach this there are very few positives, apart from it may have identified the players that aren't doing their bit for the team.

    One positive is, it will mean fewer games for the players, - although I'd swap that for a place in the 4th Round! And another is we won't have the burden of the 'quintuple' tag over our heads like last-year, - not that there is quite the same expectancy this season however, - with a lot of pundits tipping United for a trophyless campaign this year. Oh, and there is anothe rpositive the 'wounded animal effect'as Sir Alex would put it, United love proving people wrong!

    Carling-Cup:

    We have got to the semi-final stage of the competition without conceding a goal, disposing of Wolves- despite being a man-light for an hour, we beat Barnsley with Owen rolling back the years with a trademark nut-meg and finish, and we beat a near full strength Spurs side, with about 7 regulars missing, - not a bad performance in all!

    Current Financial State:

    We have just secured another 30 million after securing Champions qualification. The club has announced a long-term plan involving premium bonds, - which we hope can raise 500 million, (wiping out a good portion of our debt).

    We have just posted a £48 million profit for 2009, regardless of £80 million of that being from the sale of Ronaldo, -few clubs post figures like that, - especially when your in near a billion pounds debt.

    Crisis, what crisis?

    We could easily end up winning the same as we did last season (obviously without the World club trophy).



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  • 246. At 3:44pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Denis apparently we can happily go for that pint now as ScotchEggs seems to have taken over your role!!

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  • 247. At 3:44pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #231 ScotchEggsRule

    Who do you work for?

    Anyway, where is the £800m negative equity? The financial statements are have seen show that Man U are solvent?

    As I stated earlier, if, say, the club has assets of £800m and the debts are £600m, then there is a net asset value, and therefore worth in a very simple way, of £200m. Any prospective purchaser could therefore buy the club for £200m plus any bunce they wanted to throw at the Glazers.

    If I am right, where do you get the figure of £1.6bn from?

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  • 248. At 3:45pm on 12 Jan 2010, Zootmac wrote:

    Caldwell is now, apparently, being courted by Wigan, so the Ginger Snap's master plan to import his Celtic midfield to Boro is under threat.

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  • 249. At 3:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    240. At 3:41pm on 12 Jan 2010, Where Did The Title Ngog??!! wrote:
    Using this principle, unless you work in football or lets say sport, you know sweet FA about football!!! Yes??
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    Did you mean moi?

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  • 250. At 3:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, eezy_squeezy wrote:

    248. Zootmac wrote

    Caldwell is now, apparently, being courted by Wigan, so the Ginger Snap's master plan to import his Celtic midfield to Boro is under threat.
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    Caldwell is a centre half. Do some research.

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  • 251. At 3:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, ted wrote:

    United's debt is around £750m so where do people get this figure of £600m from?
    Furthermore this Bond scheme to try and refinance their massive debt is all pie in the sky and unless they get a similar buy out to what CITY got then they are well on their way to financial destruction.
    For the time being heaven can wait...

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  • 252. At 3:47pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #242 eezy_squeezy

    Oh dear, evidence of a complete sense of humour bypass there. The point was not about a literal question posed by Chelsea fans, it was about a funny chant at a match.

    Dear!

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  • 253. At 3:48pm on 12 Jan 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    First, I am an Arsenal supporter. For those bashing Rooney, let me ask you this: Are you aware of his age? His goal tally is still impressive. Now imagine how good Rooney will be when, say, he is Drogba's age. Just think on that for a moment.

    As for Man Utd being poor--I just don't see that. Off? Yes, they are off because a few individuals are off. But is the season off? No way. Some of you might recall when, in Jan/Feb 2007, Arsenal were 4 points clear at the top of the table. What happened? Eduardo had a horrendous injury against (yes) Birmingham, we failed to win that game, and went on a mediocre run. The season is long and it would be daft to suggest that any one team out of, say, the top 5, is either guaranteed to be out of it or preordained to win it.

    It's chilly. Could use some

    David eggNgog.

    What?! Where's my coat!

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  • 254. At 3:48pm on 12 Jan 2010, ted wrote:

    ha ha ha ha ha 'united are poor' ha ha ha ha YES ON AND OFF THE PITCH ---PRICELESS!

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  • 255. At 3:48pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    250. At 3:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, eezy_squeezy wrote:
    248. Zootmac wrote

    Caldwell is now, apparently, being courted by Wigan, so the Ginger Snap's master plan to import his Celtic midfield to Boro is under threat.
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    Caldwell is a centre half. Do some research.

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    Please please please don't say Zoot has got a 2nd thing wrong in as any weeks?

    Is that 4 horsemen that I see?

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  • 256. At 3:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    249. At 3:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
    240. At 3:41pm on 12 Jan 2010, Where Did The Title Ngog??!! wrote:
    Using this principle, unless you work in football or lets say sport, you know sweet FA about football!!! Yes??
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    M O I ??

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  • 257. At 3:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, Dan wrote:

    Interesting. So United are 1 point off the top of the Premiership (admittedly having played a game more) and suddenly they're a fading force?

    I am 30 years old. I have been a United season ticket holder for half that time.

    Apparently, United have been a 'fading force' ever since Ince, Kanchelskis etc left the club.

    Fergie has been 'losing it' / going senile for about as long. Every time United suffer a loss in form / injuries / have players who don't perform as they should, it happens.

    Go through the archives. You'll find years worth of people (including United fans) saying exactly the same thing. Almost every year it happens and every year Liverpool are 'going to win the league'.

    Every year United are there or there abouts. Every year Liverpool fall well short. Every year you have to listen to the same nay-sayers.

    Fergie is still in it for long term success - not just short term form. The ethos of the club is now built around that very principle. We'd do well to remember it.

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  • 258. At 3:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, Zootmac wrote:

    250:

    Incorrect. Caldwell is USED as a centre half when Celtic are particularly short of defenders. Midfield is his usual role for Celtic and Scotland.

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  • 259. At 3:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    Pardon, I meant Jan/Feb 2008 (i.e. the 2007-2008 season).

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  • 260. At 3:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    247. At 3:44pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
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    According to Utd their debt stands at £600 + million (not negative equity, apologies, the wrong term used) plus the Glaziers own personal liabilities which stand at £200 + million (from the initial aquisition) which they will surely want to recoup from the sale of Utd giving a grand total of (drum roll) £800 million.......

    The Glaziers will not sell Utd for £200 million, regardless of the outstanding debts the club has, that will have little impact on the sale price as a football club isn't generally bought a s business, it's a toy/shiney showy off thing and money doesn't come into it, take Abramovich and the fella at City, they don't care about turning a profit, the Glaziers do and if anyone thinks they'll accept the difference between debt and club value then they are kidding themselves.

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  • 261. At 3:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    253. At 3:48pm on 12 Jan 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:
    First, I am an Arsenal supporter. For those bashing Rooney, let me ask you this: Are you aware of his age? His goal tally is still impressive. Now imagine how good Rooney will be when, say, he is Drogba's age. Just think on that for a moment.

    As for Man Utd being poor--I just don't see that. Off? Yes, they are off because a few individuals are off. But is the season off? No way. Some of you might recall when, in Jan/Feb 2007, Arsenal were 4 points clear at the top of the table. What happened? Eduardo had a horrendous injury against (yes) Birmingham, we failed to win that game, and went on a mediocre run. The season is long and it would be daft to suggest that any one team out of, say, the top 5, is either guaranteed to be out of it or preordained to win it.

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    There is absolutely no place for a sensible Arsenal poster here. On your way please.

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  • 262. At 3:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Oh my days, your all so busy hating that JDRs rant has gone all but unnoticed, and its an absolute doozy... The worst thing is i actually agree with its sentiments, though it is written in bitterness, and i'm more of a sunshine person... I do think he's right...

    I don't actauly care, i like this blog for the comments, i'd rather read, Zoots, Blogs, Trotts, H2s, Tommyb, Colch and Jacks etc etc... than robbos. (no offence lad).

    But these anti united rants are designed soley to get a rise, and they work incredibly well... But if anyone is of the opinion that Manu drawing away is the best thing to write about, then i am sure you loved it...

    Anyway, i'm going back to my avant garde rehydrated snack related comments... as your all boring the life out of me (well not all of you, just alot of you, you know who your are... some of you are cool though, if you think thats you, then chances are your actually from the first group, its funny like that, ah well)

    MARTIN "WOLFMAN" ADAMS FOR ENGLAND

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  • 263. At 3:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, eezy_squeezy wrote:

    242 MrBlueBurns

    Oh dear, evidence of a complete sense of humour bypass there. The point was not about a literal question posed by Chelsea fans, it was about a funny chant at a match.

    Dear!
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    Not at all. I appreciate irony. And nothing could be more ironic than a Chelski fan asking United fans 'who we are'?

    Oh wait, myabe *Adrian Mutu signing for a prem club and scoring the goal against Chelski that denies them the title. That would be quite ironic, wouldn't it?


    *Because Chelsea, like their skipper, have no class.

    Thank you.

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  • 264. At 3:52pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    258. At 3:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, Zootmac wrote:
    250:

    Incorrect. Caldwell is USED as a centre half when Celtic are particularly short of defenders. Midfield is his usual role for Celtic and Scotland.

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    Phew!

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  • 265. At 3:52pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Blimey Robbo, you've stirred it up this time, as each syllable poured forth from your quill you must have been relishing the ice-bound debate ahead.

    I think it'll be a 4 horse race all the way to the line, the club that secures the services of Elmander in this transfer window will likely win the league. Man U need a striker, Arsenal need a striker, LFC need a striker (although not in the race) and City have plenty of cash. Chelsea don't need him but you can never have too much cover. The best solution would be a bidding war.

    I'd also like to petition for Gritter Steinsson to find a place in the Winter Milan team.

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  • 266. At 3:52pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    256. At 3:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, Where Did The Title Ngog??!! wrote:
    249. At 3:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
    240. At 3:41pm on 12 Jan 2010, Where Did The Title Ngog??!! wrote:
    Using this principle, unless you work in football or lets say sport, you know sweet FA about football!!! Yes??
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    M E ?

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  • 267. At 3:54pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    RBA I don't actually think that this has degenerated into a big fight as much as previous offerings. It's been quite light in my opinion.

    And my opinion outweighs yours you Aldershot chavvy git!

    (You didn't include my name there so you may detect a little annoyance)

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  • 268. At 3:55pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    261. At 3:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:
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    Your blind faith in your club is as admirable as it is foolhardy. Clearly you know about football as much as you know little about finance, so how you can you knock my comments on the finances? The truth hurts I'm sure, but don't confuse past success as a garauntee of future sustainability.

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  • 269. At 3:55pm on 12 Jan 2010, eezy_squeezy wrote:

    258. At 3:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, Zootmac wrote:
    250:

    Incorrect. Caldwell is USED as a centre half when Celtic are particularly short of defenders. Midfield is his usual role for Celtic and Scotland.
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    No. You are just plain wrong.

    "Gary joined from Hibernian in the summer of 2006 and has largely operated in the centre of defence. He has also shown his versatility, occasionally slotting in at right-back and midfield" - http://www.celticfc.net/home/players/playerInfo/gCaldwell.aspx

    You need to learn the difference between the words "largely" and "occasionally".

    Like I said, do some research before headbutting the keyboard in future...

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  • 270. At 3:57pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    266. At 3:52pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
    256. At 3:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, Where Did The Title Ngog??!! wrote:
    249. At 3:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
    240. At 3:41pm on 12 Jan 2010, Where Did The Title Ngog??!! wrote:
    Using this principle, unless you work in football or lets say sport, you know sweet FA about football!!! Yes??
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    M O I ??
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    Yes it was a question to you eggs!
    The tone of the question was based on your disregard for gaz around this subject because he doesnt work in the financial world.
    Food for thought?

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  • 271. At 3:57pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    Thanks for your response Barca. Would have been nice as well if you could provide your own nominated World class players instead of just criticising other people's opinions.

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  • 272. At 3:59pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Like I said, do some research before headbutting the keyboard in future...

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    That made me laugh! Well done sir!

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  • 273. At 4:00pm on 12 Jan 2010, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    The problem with Glazers at Man Utd and how "precarious" the situation the club is in is that I continually hear conflicting statements and summarys by both fans and also so called financial experts that are "in the know" on such matters.

    My understanding of it was that the Glazers had used a fairly common business model for their takeover which involved reasonably significant borrowings off the banks with the intention of running the club as a profitable operation in order to use the club to pay back the interests on the debts.

    The benefit of this was Glazers commitment to running the club profitably and increasing the clubs brand as this would be crucial so that the club could continue to pay interest and that this was a practise common in many large takeovers. The theory behind it being that as Man Utd are the biggest sporting brand in the world they will almost always be profitable and should not have any difficulty paying off interest.

    The drawbacks are that the fans are being asked, in essence to pick up a large amount of the tab through increased ticket prices and merchandising etc and that the club itself is paying a large interest bill as opposed to the Glazers.

    Another argument is that despite the doom merchants - Man Utd have been enormously successful under the Glazers who remain extremelly committed to keeping Man Utd a well run and profitable organisation (as opposed to just a massive loss making entity controlled by a rich owner).

    I agree with the principal no business/club is too big to fail but you get fans left, right and centre saying that this will be the new Leeds etc when the situations are not the same at all. As far as I know Man Utd arent gambling or relying on Champions League Revenue every year, they arent overspending in the tranfer market and the clubs operation as a whole is generally quite sound and they are backed by having a massive global brand. The owners have put the club into large debt - much of which the fans are paying for through increased prices, but that they are committed fundementaly to keeping Man Utd profitable whilst the other extreme is having a rich owner come in and buy out the club with little regard for how much loss the club makes.

    Each strategy seems to have associated risks obviously but the general idea I got was that Man Utd, for a number of reasons, were not on the brink of some kind of meltdown anytime soon.

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  • 274. At 4:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    ScothsEggs have a read of these...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/mattslater/2010/01/fergies_bond_is_a_bind_for_eve.html

    http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/?p=5469


    I have blind faith in nothing my friend. Well apart from Arsene's brainwashing.

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  • 275. At 4:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #260 ScotchEggsRule

    I think that unless something big changes (say, TV rights to the league are no longer sold as one lump) then the Glazers might think that to make any money out of this venture then now is as perhaps as good a time as any to sell, notwithstanding the recession.

    The bonds are only going to roll up at the debts acquired so far, and in themselves give rise to a not too attractive rate of interest.

    p.s. what firm do you work for where you think accidentally using the phrase 'negative equity' when you don't mean to, is ok?

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  • 276. At 4:04pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    270. At 3:57pm on 12 Jan 2010, Where Did The Title Ngog??!! wrote:
    Yes it was a question to you eggs!
    The tone of the question was based on your disregard for gaz around this subject because he doesnt work in the financial world.
    Food for thought?
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    Gaz made a long post about why he thought Man Utd would financially be ok, his reasoning was wrong and I went on to explain why, simple as that really. He clearly knows his football club, but not the finance side of it and the perilous position they find themselves in. As for my disregard, I wouldn't call correcting someone showing disregard, unless your a sensitive soul.

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  • 277. At 4:05pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    270. At 3:57pm on 12 Jan 2010, Where Did The Title Ngog??!! wrote:

    The tone of the question was based on your disregard for gaz around this subject because he doesnt work in the financial world.

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    I wouldn't worry about it WDTTN. I mean he works in the financial industry and clearly everyone who works in it is very sensible, knows what they are talking about, is very good at their job and would never ever do anything to put the rest of the world at risk.

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  • 278. At 4:06pm on 12 Jan 2010, TheGMen wrote:

    I think that the real point here is that the PL is the most open it has been in a long time.
    Whilst Top 4 bashing is fun it misses the point of how genuinlely exciting this season's title looks like being.
    Many find it refreshing that the predictably of the Big 4 is being seriously challenged with the new young pretenders upping their game.
    This has been helped by some of the Big 4 all making it easier for the rest to play catch-up.
    Liverpool's rapid demise (although not life threatening) was always going to happen when they let Alonso go combined with some odd signings and even weirder tactics by Benitez.
    The reliance on two players was always likely to come back and haunt them at some stage.
    Chelsea have been in the strongest position but are starting to creak at a time when they have lost key players for African Cup of Nations in a critical time for them.
    There is also the risk of injury.
    Arsenal are all too fragile, but have put a good run together.
    However Everton showed how easy it is the get at them and without the likes of van Persie will be guranteed of Top 4 but not top slot.
    Man Utd are a miracle.
    Losing Ronaldo and Tevez and relapcing them with lightweight replacements plus seeing Vidic and Ferdinand implode and Berbatov in a world of his own should see Man utd mid table.
    The fact they are where they are with an average side for them is quite remarkable.
    The really intersting thing for most footie fans is the battle for "4th Place".
    There are 3 teams who are serious contenders;
    Villa have the CC but an easy home tie in FA Cup plus some tough fixtures during February including against Spurs (06/02/10).
    City are in CC with a tough two legs against Man Utd.
    But in some ways their fixture schedule seems more balanced than the others.
    However there are still too many changes for City to be a force and Mancini still has his work cut out.
    His opening fixtures have been soft so we we'll see the real impact that Mancini has made when they play some serious opposition.
    Spurs have only the FA cup to worry about and up until mid April (when they play consecutively Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd) there fixtures look evenly spread in terms of opposition.
    It's too tough to call for 4th Place right now (assuming Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal take 1,2 and 3) so I hope that Robbo's next piece uses his urbane wit and incisive journalistic techniques to cajole us into where he thinks the new order might come from!

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  • 279. At 4:06pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    275. At 4:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
    p.s. what firm do you work for where you think accidentally using the phrase 'negative equity' when you don't mean to, is ok?
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    One typing mistake and i'm getting mullered for it, I don't know!

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  • 280. At 4:07pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    232. At 3:36pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:
    #222 i'm yet to hear of a debate or difference that can't be settled with a big old fight.
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    Sounds worryingly like a statement a US president could make!!
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    ORBAma?

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  • 281. At 4:07pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Gaz, you show up when you like, treating this blog like a bleeding hotel, thats why you didn't get a mention... (Actually i forgot, sorry fella).

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  • 282. At 4:08pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    276. At 4:04pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    Gaz made a long post about why he thought Man Utd would financially be ok, his reasoning was wrong and I went on to explain why, simple as that really. He clearly knows his football club, but not the finance side of it and the perilous position they find themselves in. As for my disregard, I wouldn't call correcting someone showing disregard, unless your a sensitive soul.

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    No, you decided to tell everyone you worked in 'mergers' which in your opinion meant you were right and I wasn't. MrBB has since proved that even though you work in the business you don't know simple financial terms.

    I stand by my opinion and so far you have done nothing to disprove it.

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  • 283. At 4:10pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    A bleeding hotel? Not everywhere is like Aldershot you know!


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  • 284. At 4:10pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    274. At 4:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:
    I have blind faith in nothing my friend. Well apart from Arsene's brainwashing.
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    and Fergie's moaning and excuse making......? ;o)

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  • 285. At 4:10pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    280: Actually alot of Aldershots residents are like Obama, everytime i walk around town i am hassled for "Change"...

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  • 286. At 4:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    279. At 4:06pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
    275. At 4:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
    p.s. what firm do you work for where you think accidentally using the phrase 'negative equity' when you don't mean to, is ok?
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    One typing mistake and i'm getting mullered for it, I don't know!

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    A typing mistake is when you type their instead or there or they're.

    The mistake you made is akin to a doctor amputating someones leg and then telling everyone he performed open heart surgery.

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  • 287. At 4:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, Ben Staniforth wrote:

    You all need to chill out and stop moaning about this blog. If you don't think it's funny then don't read it and there's certainly no point in then complaining about it, it's not gonna stop it being written.

    On another note, what about Andrei Arshivering?

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  • 288. At 4:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    276. At 4:04pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    Gaz made a long post about why he thought Man Utd would financially be ok, his reasoning was wrong and I went on to explain why, simple as that really. He clearly knows his football club, but not the finance side of it and the perilous position they find themselves in. As for my disregard, I wouldn't call correcting someone showing disregard, unless your a sensitive soul.

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    I'm not a sensitive soul - how dare you - i am so offended you have made me cry!!!

    Can you buy sensodyne for souls? Or am i just being "negative"?

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  • 289. At 4:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    Trotter,

    Elmander as in Cheese?

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  • 290. At 4:12pm on 12 Jan 2010, Bringbackbecks wrote:

    Biggest load of garbage iv ever read! just more bbc jumping on the band waggon through some faceless blogger! no wonder fergie doesnt speak to these clowns!

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  • 291. At 4:12pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    283, and mores shame for it...

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  • 292. At 4:13pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    At 4:10pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
    280: Actually alot of Aldershots residents are like Obama, everytime i walk around town i am hassled for "Change"...

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    My lecturer wants to know whats so funny!

    I told him some bloke from Aldershot made a joke and that's why I was laughing.

    He has now threatened to kick me out of the class if I tell another blatant lie.

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  • 293. At 4:13pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    291, he has a face its a cartoon grey one with a bushy hitler style tash... Its at top o'screen lad.

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  • 294. At 4:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #285 RBA - LOL. Poor ole Obama has not got a patch on his predecessor who loved a "good fight". Even lil Tony B jumped on the bandwagon.

    Are they bankers or do they work in mergers the people hassling you for change (need help paying the tax on the bonuses that have been well-earned with no risk-taking at all)??

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  • 295. At 4:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Gaz, dont mention uniteds financial security to him then!

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  • 296. At 4:16pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    282. At 4:08pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:
    No, you decided to tell everyone you worked in 'mergers' which in your opinion meant you were right and I wasn't. MrBB has since proved that even though you work in the business you don't know simple financial terms.
    I stand by my opinion and so far you have done nothing to disprove it.
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    So one spelling mistake makes someone a bad speller? The same as one mistakenly used word means someone knows nothing about their way of making a living? I said I worked in mergers because I do and because I have a far better understanding of the finances behind a business than your average footy fan. The fact you don't have/want to listen to that is totally your perogative, I never said you once had to believe what I said is gospel (did I?). As for Blue burns, he has proved that I am a lousy typist and nothing more, of course we all make mistake s except for you and he.
    Of course the moment anyone says anything negative about Utd Gaz comnes charging out on his horse to defend the clubs honour (like any good fan should) but it doesn't make you right.....the rathe rhostile reaction to my comments suggest if you weren't that bothered baout them you would of let them wash over you. As you haven't they betray your concern over your clubs current finances.

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  • 297. At 4:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Bye for now fellas!

    I will be back later tonight or in the morning - depending on how the missus feels!

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  • 298. At 4:18pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    286. At 4:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:
    A typing mistake is when you type their instead or there or they're.
    The mistake you made is akin to a doctor amputating someones leg and then telling everyone he performed open heart surgery.
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    Your pathetic attempts a deflecting the argument are laughable. And no it's nothing like that as it was a simple mistake on a blog, not in a hospital theatre operating on someone, so keep it in perspective sunshine!

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  • 299. At 4:22pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #273 JDR

    I think there are a few background that people need to take on board with regards the issue of the business of Man U.

    Firstly, the value of Man U is greater than their debts. They are a solvent business.

    Also, I think the optimism of the Glazers at the time they bought Man U is equalled by the integrity of people that sold them the financing to facilitate it. These people have taken their commission and run!

    There have been factors that have or haven't changed during their ownership that have contributed to the current position. Wages inflation above income inflation? TV rights still sold as a package? Increased competition from other large investors bank rolling other clubs?

    Given that we are where we are, i.e. that the expense of financing is a big cost and for the most recent period, it was an asset sale that helped them return a profit for the year, there must be questions as to how the business is going to remain profitable, if working capital is tied up servicing debt for the next few years. Add to this the likelyhood that the manager may well change in the not too distant future and the lack of stability that this may give rise to.

    I don't think it matters who you support, those points are undeniable and perhaps anyone who thinks differently is kidding themselves.

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  • 300. At 4:22pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Spit, I thought that the cheese was "fromunder" not elmander although he does work well between two crackers. No bids yet!

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  • 301. At 4:24pm on 12 Jan 2010, Evil-Weazel wrote:

    14. At 1:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, Norris Cole From The Cabin wrote:

    Robbo. You and your team of 7 year old blog writers are so unfunny I wish I had a Joe Pasquale audiobook to hand. Jesus wept.

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    Haven't read past this yet so apologies if it's been done:

    "I know a blog that'll get on you nerves, get on your nerves, get on your nerves"

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  • 302. At 4:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    ScotchEggsRule

    I'm not going to crucify you for your error, but surely you will concede, it was a humdinger of an error given your expertise and how fundamental that point was to what you were saying?

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  • 303. At 4:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    So Pompey take on the Cov tonight... should be a thriller!

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  • 304. At 4:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    298. At 4:18pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
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    In a sense GazUtd is actually right. A spelling mistake is not the same as an incorrect statement or a term used in error. You didnt actually make a spelling mistake in the term "negative equity" - the point GazUtd is making is that the term was used in error.

    His example was a bit off but the fundemental point he was making was not.

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  • 305. At 4:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    296. At 4:16pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    Of course the moment anyone says anything negative about Utd Gaz comnes charging out on his horse to defend the clubs honour (like any good fan should) but it doesn't make you right.....the rathe rhostile reaction to my comments suggest if you weren't that bothered baout them you would of let them wash over you. As you haven't they betray your concern over your clubs current finances.

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    So me saying earlier that United were rubbish this year and the financial situation could be better is what then?

    And apparently you can read my mind now can you? You're not Arsene you know.

    I do not have a concern over Uniteds finances, they could be better, it in no way means United will go to the wall or anything close to it. If the Glazers lose money on their decision to buy the club then so be it, it won't stop United.

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  • 306. At 4:27pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    279. At 4:06pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
    One typing mistake and i'm getting mullered for it, I don't know!
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    I know the feeling Eggs. I once mistakenly typed that Ronaldo doesn't dive and everyone slaughtered me for it as well

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  • 307. At 4:27pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    304. At 4:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    In a sense GazUtd is actually right.

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    Holy cr@p. Praise from Caesar.

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  • 308. At 4:31pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Trotter,

    Isn't Bo "fromunder"?

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  • 309. At 4:31pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #305 GazUtd

    I do not have a concern over Uniteds finances, they could be better, it in no way means United will go to the wall or anything close to it. If the Glazers lose money on their decision to buy the club then so be it, it won't stop United.
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    Hate to break this to you fella, but it might stop Man U. Man U are not as good this year as they were last year (even if other teams are equally mediocre). There seem to be a number of positions that need strengthening and if all the cash in the group is being used to finance the shebang, where is the money to buy replacements? Perhaps money and prestige might dictate that transfer targets go elsewhere. This could trigger a viscous circle which might be exacerbated by Ferguson leaving.

    I'm not saying it will go wrong, but there is an increasing chance that it might if last years player sale to turn a profit is repeated.

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  • 310. At 4:32pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    MrBB I will clarify.

    It MAY stop United winning as much, that I will give you, but it will not stop United existing. Which is what some people are claiming.

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  • 311. At 4:34pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    Good morning or afternoon guys, seems like I am very late again. I am absolutely convinced that half the United supporters here blogging are not really United supporters but fans of other clubs in disguise, (H2H, RBA, PILCH etc) lol
    United has hit a glitch in the season, yes, we can all see that. However all the other clubs have hit the same glitches as well dropping points they wont normally have. However for a team that played most of the season with only one first teame defender regularly(Evra), we are not doing all that bad, 2nd League, CL, and semis CC. We have a host of new players within our first team that are still gelling but not doing too bad, and for all Robbo says we are not scoring goals from the midfield, the table does show we have the joint second highest amount of goals scored in the league.
    With that said, is there a reason for panic?? Nope. No one knows what Fergie will do in the transfer window and all our defenders are getting back fit. Guys please get back to me in March when we are in full stride and leading by 5 points, CL semis and CC trophy in the bag =)

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  • 312. At 4:35pm on 12 Jan 2010, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    299. At 4:22pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
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    Im in agreement - my post was just the basic outlook of the situation that I had been given from speaking to various more informed sources. What gets me though is the wide ranging and often contradictory views from so called "experts" which only seems to proves that the situation is actually alot more complicated than people are led to believe or that many of these experts are not actually working off a full facts basis.

    Ive had guys in the fiancial industry laugh off claims that Utd are in trouble or predict impending doom in various measures so given the information I was given and using my own limited understanding of the matter I kind of lie more or less in the middle. Whilst the club is generally profiteable the level of debt attaches a significant risk which is quite vunerable to the economic climate.

    Even with the risks associated though I think it would take something very serious to really bring the club down given that its the single biggest sports brand in the world.

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  • 313. At 4:35pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    Trotter,

    I may have confused him with Emmentaler .

    All them holes

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  • 314. At 4:37pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #311 MUFCTrini

    You could win the whole kit and caboodle this season, BUT, last years figures took a player sale to turn a profit. This year, player sales will be down and interest payments will be up.

    Unless any success increases turnover above and beyond the two issues I have just mentioned, then it seems likely that the financial position will only get worse.

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  • 315. At 4:37pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    302. At 4:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
    I'm not going to crucify you for your error, but surely you will concede, it was a humdinger of an error given your expertise and how fundamental that point was to what you were saying?
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    Your right it was a huge error and well admitted by me, but that is all it was. For someone like Gaz who, like everyone else im sure makes plenty on a daily basis to jump on it and totally deflect the argument kind of grates and is a tad pathetic.
    The fact is Man utd have been extremely successful, that rate of success cannot continue unabated and the inevitable fall in income will affect the already negative trend in yearly results (this year being a false inidicator due to Ronaldo's sale). The Glaziers have spent plenty of their own money as well as everyone else's and they will demand top dollar for the club regardless of how much debt it is in as they are only interested inturning a massive profit, to do that they need to find someone who is a billionaire and doesn't mind spalshing out another £500 million or so on top of the asking price to maintain the club in the short term until the debt is clear and then reinvest some of that £550 million. There are probably about 5 people/investment firms in the world right now that could afford and would be interested in the club depending on what the Glaziers ask for.....that is the biggest issue facing Man Utd's (currently very precarious) long term financial future.

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  • 316. At 4:37pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Even if Utd did go bust (Won't happen) It doesn't mean they'd be completly gone.
    In the worst case scenario wouldn't they just go into administration? Get points deducted and drop \down a division or two?

    Good way to get rid of all the McFans.

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  • 317. At 4:38pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #311 Trini - I can assure you I am in no way trying to disguise myself as a Man Utd fan and have already mentioned in other posts that I am a Liverpool fan. In fact, I have probably been more complimentary (at least towards Rooney) than many Man U posters on here who have been true supporters since the 1990s!!

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  • 318. At 4:39pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:

    Joe,the problem for Un**ed is the Glazers debt.Take that away and the "business"is very sound indeed.The trouble is,servicing the debt plus the debt itself on the balance sheet doesn't look good.
    If the Glazers sell up the debt still exists.If Un**ed stay a top 4 club it shouldn't be a problem.

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  • 319. At 4:40pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #316 Not sure a 10 points deduction would send United down a league or two!!

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  • 320. At 4:40pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    305. At 4:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:
    If the Glazers lose money on their decision to buy the club then so be it, it won't stop United.
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    You really know very little about the finance side don't you? It could end up with the club being wound up....or asset stripping to recoup costs and money. Do you think the Glaziers give a toss about the average Man Utd fan and wether the club will survive aslong as they make their money back? The Glaziers WILl get their money back and the health of your club will not be their primary concern, they are investors, not Abramovich's.

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  • 321. At 4:41pm on 12 Jan 2010, bobbieflowers wrote:

    There are probably about 5 people/investment firms in the world right now that could afford and would be interested in the club depending on what the Glaziers ask for.....that is the biggest issue facing Man Utd's (currently very precarious) long term financial future.

    __________________________________________________________

    I think most fans of the game would be very happy to see the glazer's, and all the others who came into football looking to make money out of it, set a figure that means they make considerably less than what they thought they would

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  • 322. At 4:42pm on 12 Jan 2010, Eewires wrote:

    Fergy's problem is money. The Utd debts mean he hasn't got the cheque book he used to have so he looks for bargains for squad depth, rather than filling his whole squad with stars. It is the same problem as Liverpool but on a smaller scale.

    Owen is still a good impact player and is regularly proving that, but he was never signed to be anything more than that, so with Berbatov not firing the striking options look thin, and with Rio and Vidic out so does the defence. If he gets his full team back, or re-structures to fit with the best he has then Utd will be in the running at the season's end. If not they wont, but realistically they are not going to be any lower than 3rd. What wouldn't Liverpool give for 3rd at the moment.

    Someone mentioned that SAF is getting like Brian Clough at the end of his time at Forest. Clough ran out of steam and didn't have the resources or energy in the end to keep a financially poor club at the top. Fergy has not reached that stage by any means, but the Glazers need to sort out the finances like Abramovich has at Chelsea, and get rid of the damaging levels of debt that the club is carrying. No business can survive if it relies on selling its main asset every year just to avoid major losses.

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  • 323. At 4:42pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #312 JDR and #315 ScotchEggsRule

    I agree, I doubt that Man U would ever go to the wall. I will use the same argument that increasingly applies to Chelsea. These clubs are big to the point where someone would want to buy them.

    However, I still reckon this could slow them down on the pitch for a year or two, particularly with other clubs circling around the 'top 4' at the moment.

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  • 324. At 4:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    318. At 4:39pm on 12 Jan 2010, JacksinBuxton wrote:
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    Yes I understand the principals behind the move and that the Glazers are in essence using the club itself to service the debt they created (with the fans suffering from increased prices as a result) but I was led to believe that this was commonplace in many business takeovers.

    As MrBlueBurns pointed out the real danger is the deteriorating economic conditions. As far as I know Man Utd made 40million odd profit last year but that that was largely do to Ronaldo's transfer to Madrid. This would indicate that (assuming Utd dont sell players) that this year they may well make a loss.

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  • 325. At 4:47pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Trini,

    Even in disguise, I am in no shape or form a Man Utd fan.

    How very dare you!!!


    No, seriousky mate, now you've read for yourself the posrs of some of your fellow "fans" you can understand why we call them "plastics" or "McFans".

    I of course am not refering to you.

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  • 326. At 4:48pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    310. At 4:32pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:
    MrBB I will clarify.
    It MAY stop United winning as much, that I will give you, but it will not stop United existing. Which is what some people are claiming.
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    Who claimed it may stop them existing? Certainly not I, just that they were in the brown stuff, unless you win what you did last year PLUS sell another player for around £50 million you'll post yet another loss, which will lead to more negativity

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  • 327. At 4:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    Mr Blueburns, good point. However, the transfer window is wide open still and you can never know if an idiot will make a 20million bid for Nani or a 40million bid for Berbatov. Till that time arrives, then we can wait and see what happens.
    Eeewires, good point.
    Pilch, my apologies
    JDR, great pieces from a neutral. Good to see someone here has some sense

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  • 328. At 4:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    315. At 4:37pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    This post from you is so ridiculous that I have to break it down below.

    "Your right it was a huge error and well admitted by me, but that is all it was. For someone like Gaz who, like everyone else im sure makes plenty on a daily basis to jump on it and totally deflect the argument kind of grates and is a tad pathetic."


    It was not well admitted by you in the slightest. You tried to pass it off as a spelling mistake for goodness sake. Then you simply try to insult me to deflect your failing. What I said didn't try to deflect from the argument in the slightest. The argument it made was that you don't know what you are talking about by making a fundamental mistake like you did. That argument stands.


    "The fact is Man utd have been extremely successful, that rate of success cannot continue unabated and the inevitable fall in income will affect the already negative trend in yearly results (this year being a false inidicator due to Ronaldo's sale)."

    No one who worked in any type of finance would make this type of statement. There is not a trend. There is no false indicator.


    "The Glaziers have spent plenty of their own money as well as everyone else's and they will demand top dollar for the club regardless of how much debt it is in as they are only interested inturning a massive profit, to do that they need to find someone who is a billionaire and doesn't mind spalshing out another £500 million or so on top of the asking price to maintain the club in the short term until the debt is clear and then reinvest some of that £550 million. There are probably about 5 people/investment firms in the world right now that could afford and would be interested in the club depending on what the Glaziers ask for.....that is the biggest issue facing Man Utd's (currently very precarious) long term financial future."

    Oh my God. Firstly of course the Glaziers are interested in profit. What are the Arsenal owners interested in? A nice pic with the trophy? A free bun in the corporate box?

    If the Glaziers need or want to sell and do not get someone to pay the price they want then that's just tough titty to them. That's business.

    There is no currently precarious financial position at United. Why would there be investment houses willing to buy into the current bond issue if there was?

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  • 329. At 4:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, Dhanoal0t wrote:

    United's failings are obvious to all. Many point to the lack of Ronaldo - which is a factor, but not the total reason as most people are happy to shout about. United were relatively poor last season too - even with the gelled one. Being totally outclassed by Barca in the ECL final showed us this. Their ability to win the league was largely a result of grinding out results; Chelsea's managerial shortcomings in the first half of the season; and a massively over-achieving Liverpool team, not being quite good enough either.

    The midfield lacks creativity. I'm a fan of Carrick and his elegant play - but he is under-par. Anderson seems to run around a lot, but the God of shooting straight does not shining kindly on him or Park.

    The graft of Tevez was a big loss. And leaves too much onus on Rooney to do pretty much everything. What's better than one Rooney? Two Rooney's. And in Tevez, that is what United had.

    And then we have Berbatov. I despair at how many times people refer to him as a great player. When? How? So he can pluck a ball out of the air, when he can be bothered to lift his overpaid right leg. And then what?

    Do we ever see him shoot? Rarely. Owen shows more threat and positional sense in his 3 minute cameos, than Berbatov shows in a whole game. Languid style? Not for £30mil and £90k a week mate. I say, if it looks like sh*t; if it smells like sh*t; then it is probably sh*t.

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  • 330. At 4:53pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Spit, thanks for that, I should be outraged but our back four is very well represented by Swiss cheese! However, a new era has begun, H2 and his gunner buddies are quaking in their snow shoes, a one goal defeat or better and I'll be happy!

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  • 331. At 4:54pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    Post 320 ScotchEggs wrote...

    "You really know very little about the finance side don't you? It could end up with the club being wound up."


    Post 326 ScotchEggs wrote...

    "Who claimed it may stop them existing? Certainly not I"







    Is this another spelling mistake??

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  • 332. At 4:55pm on 12 Jan 2010, pilch666 wrote:

    #327 Trini - apology accepted fella. If you could receive £20m for Nani, that would prove beyond any doubt that the football world had gone to pot. Surely no one would pay that money for him.

    Am guessing though that you could recoup the £30m spent on Berbatov and that would be preferable to losing Rooney.

    Also agree with some other posters in that alongside the "Gelled Tumbler", Tevez is also a huge loss. He may not of scored 20 odd goals in a season, but he took part of Rooney's current heavy workload.

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  • 333. At 4:57pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    Dhano,
    How dare you refer to Berba like that?!? He has about 6 goals plus 8 assists so that isnt doing too bad. Guaranteed its not worth 30mil but to call him sh.t is absolutely absurd. Also 45 goals this season is not doing too bad, is it?

    H2H I was just kidding mate :)
    Gaz, spot on. You know your finance stuff better than me and I am a bookkeeper...

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  • 334. At 4:58pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    Sell Nani for £20M? Recoup the £30m spent on Berbatov?

    Wishful thinking taken to the very limit's of sanity!

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  • 335. At 4:58pm on 12 Jan 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    slightly off topic:

    I am watching the ANC and have to say what a lot or rubbish its been so far. The thing that has made me laugh so far is the team Algeria, i asume its the same side england are drawn against in the WC group, the same team that all the pundits and others have been hyping out of all proportion to thier actual skill and worth i can only assume those subcribing to the view england have a tuff group are england surporters.

    algeria are utter cr@p but then so are the ivory coast iteresting to note Drogba strutting about like some demented baboon falling over at every opportunity.

    as for the opening 4-4 result. fix if ever i saw one.

    I hope the tournament improves and we actully get to feel some sorta atmosphere other than car horns and dennis taylor and willie thorn voice overs.

    at least Nigeria and Eygpt are trying to play football.

    PS: Nice blogg Robbo.

    as for the saga which is as ever man U, what will be will be but one things for sure i think AF is going to have to get used to achieving success without buckets of cash to spend, could be interesting.

    yours truly.

    another sensible Arsenal surporter.

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  • 336. At 4:58pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    330, Spit would be one of those Gunner buddies Trott..

    But you do have a point, there's not much worse then having to face a tram with something to prove to the new gaffer, heck, even the fans at the Reebok will be behind the team. When is the last time that happened?

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  • 337. At 4:58pm on 12 Jan 2010, green_manc wrote:

    MrBlueBurns, I became a United fan through my father (he was born and raised in Manchester) who has supported United since the early 60’s. I looked up to my old man so therefore their was only ever one team for me! if per chance my old man had of supported Torquay United then I would have followed them!!

    I know what your getting at though, glory hunter, etc blah blah blah! I’ve heard it all before, but when I first started watching United we were winning nothing 89/90, 90/91!!

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  • 338. At 5:00pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedWhiteandermblue wrote:

    Of course it would be unrealistic to expect island football fans to display the toughness and character of Yanks, who like few things better than subzero Fahrenheit temperatures (that's sub, oh, carry the 5, ah, minus twenty or so, Celsius maybe...) and a nice blizzard on game day to watch our played-with-the-hands version (aka men in tights).

    Just as it would be unrealistic to expect proper football, taste and basic math(s) skills from us...

    I remember one blizzard which turned the tide of a Pittsburgh Steelers game. They were losing, a blinding squall whipped up, the crowd cheered raucously, and the cheering inspired the team.

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  • 339. At 5:00pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    pilch, you are right. That little sh.t is performing well at City now, but I still dont think he is worth 25mil. To me, he is the equivalent of Chucho with a couple more goals.
    Damn lil mercenary....

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  • 340. At 5:00pm on 12 Jan 2010, chiefbrody2001 wrote:

    As a Man Utd fan - to say, in Robbo's words we've a got a team with four Djemba-Djemba's across the midfield - I'd take 2nd in the league (1 point off Chelsea), a semi-final Carling Cup place, and a top placing in our Champions League Group. If you've got high expectations Robbo, I think they've already been met!

    Yes, the team isn't playing well - but that's stating the obvious and missing the point. We're definitely in transition - we were always going to have to take time to rebuild as Ronaldo left and Scholes/Giggs/Neville come to the end of their careers. And, we've had the worst injury crisis in recent history. There isn't a single team with our defensive injuries that could have gone to Fulham and not lost. And lets not forget Hargreaves is still out too.

    Your take on our midfield is an interesting one. The one you mention lacks goals but that's about all it lacks. Valencia is going to get more goals as he matures. There aren't many midfields that are going to out battle Fletch and Carrick, and if Berbetov or Owen could actually find some form, goals wouldn't be a problem.

    Fergie hasn't spent millions to buy much-needed additions in this over-priced market. The youngsters he has (or should I say kids) will take time to improve.

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  • 341. At 5:01pm on 12 Jan 2010, Stevat wrote:

    Erm, where to start when you join a convo late, I reckon Gerrard is world class, Terry probably isn't any more though was a couple of years ago. I still think Berbatov is a quality player who favours a 4-4-2, alongside Rooney and with say Valencia one side and Obertan the other they have the makings of a decent side. Especially as Rooney would likely drop off to make a midfield 5, essentially making him an attacking midfielder in their current set up. They do need a bit more quality in midfield, I think Hargreaves will make a difference if fit, but they should look for another striker and midfielder in my opinion.

    Still Arsenal are the best side to watch, it's shameful that some people on here criticize Wenger and say things like you need a solid defence to win. Gone are the days of teams trying to outscore the other, all the fun and beauty of the game in England seems to have been lost somehow in these people. Winning isn't the most important thing, football should be about being proud of the team who represent you and where you come. Following them through thick and thin because they are the footballing embodiment of your home city/town. The formerly virtuous nature of the sport seems to have been lost in the sea of people desperate to associate themselves with success of any sort, choosing to follow teams to which they have no association or sensible reason to support. Thing is these people will never know what it is to truly love their team and the pure elation it will bring when success finally arrives, whatever form it may take. By the way, I'm a Newcastle fan, still waiting for it but still proud of my team and my city.

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  • 342. At 5:03pm on 12 Jan 2010, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Bottom line is this, alot of people hate united and want bad things to happen to them, some love united and dont want bad things to happen... no one actually knows what will happen, and thier are plenty of scenarios which might happen... But none of of know what will... Its a pretty futile debate... But hey thats footy, or soccer as they say in correctly.

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  • 343. At 5:03pm on 12 Jan 2010, Evil-Weazel wrote:

    215. At 3:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, JoeDavisRoach wrote:
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    Oh FFS who let him at a computer

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  • 344. At 5:03pm on 12 Jan 2010, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    329. At 4:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, Dhanoal0t wrote:
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    I will agree with you in part here but Barcelona were in a league of their own last year so being beaten by them in the final isnt a sign of a poor side at all.

    Their midfield lacks a ral driving playmaker but I think thats to be expected after losing Ronaldo. Their seems to be a weight of expectation lying on Man Utd that I dont really think is fair. The premiership this season is alot more competitive for starters with Tottenham and Man City joining the party at the top and sides like Fulham, Sunderland and Birmingham enjoying success aswell.

    I think Ferguson has had to restructure the team to exist without Ronaldo and its only natural that this wouldnt be an overnight process. They could dfinately do with strengthening but they are still well in the hunt. They have also had a makeshift backline for much of the season which hasnt helped. Ferguson has rebuilt Man Utd squads 3/4 times in his tenure at Man Utd and whilst they have had some blips they have nearly always come out strong after even one bad season.

    I dont think there is any doubt the team is not as strong as when they won the Champions League but its still capable of winning the League in what is a much more robust League this season. They have plenty of room for improvement but they arent in crisis.

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  • 345. At 5:04pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    334. At 4:58pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:
    Sell Nani for £20M? Recoup the £30m spent on Berbatov?

    Wishful thinking taken to the very limit's of sanity!

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    Agreed....

    But if L'pool can find clubs dumb enough to take Dossena and Vorimin then I suppose anythings possible.

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  • 346. At 5:05pm on 12 Jan 2010, adampsb wrote:

    I have read none of teh comments so apologies oif repeating some stuff but here is my JDR impression

    Unoriginal blog repeating last weeks theme with the ususal Fergie bashing.

    Missing opportunities to blog about the Bolton/ Burnley managerial changes or about WGS nicking half his old Celtic team

    Waste of 5 minutes reading it and licenvce fee should be refunded

    And he'd be right for a change

    Well at least the comments will be amusing

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  • 347. At 5:06pm on 12 Jan 2010, adampsb wrote:

    as is my spelling

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  • 348. At 5:06pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    338. American Football is the one of the crappiest game in the world. The only good thing is the cheerleaders and the beer. A bunch of guys taking steroids to crash into each other and prove who is manlier by wearing football outfits with no thermals in 10 degree F weather.
    I live in NY so I know :)

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  • 349. At 5:07pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #337 Green Manc

    Thanks for the response.

    Wasn't accusing you of being a glory hunter, it was a genuine question that given your age and that it is likely that you have tasted nothing but success so you wouldn't know how it felt to be starved or on your downers for a bit.

    Don't worry, as a Chelsea fan (of about 27 years I would add) I still get people suggesting to me that I am either a) a glory hunter or b), that my club has lost it's soul.

    It's silly really, because I can't stop Abramovich doing what he wants and I'm no more going to stop supporting them because they are successful than I would start supporting them because they are successful.

    I have been there threw thick and thin. Right now, I am going to enjoy the good times and see where they take us.

    :-)

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  • 350. At 5:09pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @348 I'd have to disagree with you Trini. Haven't you heard of the Lingerie League. It's American Football but far more interesting........

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X1IWXuEbgXI/SqDdFwqG2iI/AAAAAAAABhs/jZmzBcgKnYQ/s400/Lingerie+Football+League+breast+grab.jpg

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  • 351. At 5:09pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    MrBB next time someone calls you a glory hunter simply ask them don't they want glory for their team.


    Anyone seen ScotchEggs?

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  • 352. At 5:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, Thanks for all the fish wrote:

    I've followed Man U for over 30 years and there have been plenty lows in that time as well as highs. Given the preponderance of mediocrity in the team I expected them to hit the (relative) doldrums this season post-Ronaldo, even though I'm not a great fan of his, and the only reason that Man U aren't languishing mid table is the fact that Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool have dropped points too.

    Frankly, of the pool of first team players, there are more I would get rid of than keep (eg Park, Nani, Neville, Scholes, Foster, Fletcher, Brown, Gibson, Welbeck, Owen, Evans; plus possibly O'Shea and Berbatov) but the problem is replacing them. I am worried that receipts from transfers are being used to service the Glazers debt rather than reinvested in the team, and that Fergie has been told he's getting buttons to spend on new players. If that is the case, that is a very dangerous tactic that sooner or later will result in the club consistently falling short of the lofty heights of the past few years and the financial implications of this are very worrying.

    BTW, Rooney isn't a red, he's a toffee, and there HAS been the odd occasion this season when his passing has been woeful or he's blown chances he normally would have taken full advantage of. But for all that, it will be a disaster if he goes to Spain.

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  • 353. At 5:12pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    CFC oh my, please give me a heads up b4 sending me these links. Ok I change my mind, Lingerie League is in!!

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  • 354. At 5:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @353 Take it as read that if anyone posts a link on here you should check that no-one at work can see your screen before you look at it

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  • 355. At 5:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    Jack Thawedwell

    Paul Socolds

    Pepe FreezingReina


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  • 356. At 5:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    328. At 4:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:
    There is no currently precarious financial position at United.
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    I am going no further with this argument with you other than to leave everyone to read this last comment from you above. You are a lost cause and are doing my swede in. Your incredible/astounding lack of knowledge and completely rediculous comments like the one above show you to be nothing more than the "typical" rose tinted Utd fan who can accept no criticism for his club unless it comes from a fellow Manc. I cannot believe someone knows so very llittle about their own club......truly sad and very boring to have someone so ignorant on a subject tell you, you are wrong when what they know wouldn't cover a fag packet, the mind boggles.

    Gaz - Enjoy the wonderful world of Man Utd where nothing will ever go wrong and you'll continue to make a loss every year, unless you end up selling a player that is and Glaziers will take pity on the club and sell at a loss just to keep your club afloat, land of milk and honey, blah, streets paved with gold, yadda, meh.

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  • 357. At 5:16pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    331. At 4:54pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:
    Is this another spelling mistake??
    -----------------------------
    Wound up doesn't mean out of existenc, how ignorant can you be, it doesn't mean that at all, it means the administrators are called in and the club is managed by a creditor nominated body. FFS are you really that dense?

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  • 358. At 5:16pm on 12 Jan 2010, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    346. At 5:05pm on 12 Jan 2010, adampsb wrote:
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Posted something pretty similar earlier. Maybe Im not alone on this blog for wanting something a bit more from Robbo.

    The only justification for his blogspace at the moment is the comments section and sadly Robbo seems to have realised this long ago and is content rehash the same old Victor Meldrew like material rather than treat the readers level of intelligence with respect.

    Even his most dedicated of followers seem to realize this now.

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  • 359. At 5:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #351 GazUtd

    Good point.

    Anyway, this Lingerie League that I've only just heard about....

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  • 360. At 5:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    burntapple, surely u jest?!? You would get rid of Fletcher, O Shea, Brown and Evans?!? You cant be serious now. Where do you find another utility player like OShea?
    And Rooney WAS a toffee, now he is a Red :)

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  • 361. At 5:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    C.FC.

    interesting got anymore lol.

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  • 362. At 5:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, ThatWasDeliberate wrote:

    ScotchEggsRule just give up. You're right and he's wrong.

    Now, Jack Thawedwell. That's nice, no?

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  • 363. At 5:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    356. At 5:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    I am going no further with this argument with you other than to leave everyone to read this last comment from you above.

    ----


    Would that be because I pointed out how you completely contradicted yourself above and as that's twice you've made yourself look silly?

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  • 364. At 5:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    338. American Football is the one of the crappiest game in the world. The only good thing is the cheerleaders and the beer. A bunch of guys taking steroids to crash into each other and prove who is manlier by wearing football outfits with no thermals in 10 degree F weather.
    I live in NY so I know :)
    ____________
    Trini, I used to hold the same view as you and as the years rolled by my view changed to the point that I now think it's a fantastic game and watch as many games as I can, we even got Giants season tickets this year (that's another story). It's also a much better game for a party than anything I've ever witnessed! Besides that, I live in NJ so obviously I know better than you.

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  • 365. At 5:19pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    361. At 5:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:
    C.FC.
    interesting got anymore lol.
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    The beauty of the internet DG3. Simply google "lingerie league" and click google images or video results and you'll get loads

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  • 366. At 5:24pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    Trotter,
    There is only one reason I hold this view. I had an argument with some Americans a few years ago and guess what the topic was- Which is the biggest sporting event in the world, the World Cup Final or the SuperBowl?
    Needless to say, I almost got my @ss busted and I am left there thinking of the stupidity of these people to believe it is the Superbowl.
    I hope no one here shares that view....

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  • 367. At 5:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, Stevat wrote:

    Did Rooney not say recently he bought his kid an Everton top for Christmas and dreams of seeing him play for them? He would do well to move abroad I think, can he learn much more at Man U? Why not broaden his horizons and learn to play the game another way entirely, think of the benefit to the England team.

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  • 368. At 5:26pm on 12 Jan 2010, Thanks for all the fish wrote:

    @360

    Fletcher I've never rated though I'll concede he has done well this season. Prior to this year he just ran about a lot but achieved very little (shades of Park). Brown is a liability; too prone to giving away stupid free kicks. Evans is okay, just not Man U class. O'Shea...I did say he was a possible! Yes, he's versatile, just not totally dependable in whatever position he plays. Frankly, Vidic, Evra and Ferdinand (when they're fit)are the only three defensive players that I really rate. Even van der Sar hasn't been the same since he bust his nose!

    Rooney: he has has allegedly decorated his son's nursery in Everton's colours and the first game Kai was taken to (on a horrible winter's night) was the match v Everton. I think it's safe to say Rooney's heart is blue, but he'll give 100% to Man U for as long as he plays for them.

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  • 369. At 5:28pm on 12 Jan 2010, Dhanoal0t wrote:

    Writing off United's season at this point is the usual hyperbole that people have to fill themselves with at this point in a season. United get it every year, and always finish at the top or thereabouts. So i'm not panicking yet.

    United aren't playing great football granted. But their ability to grind out results and recover in games is what sets them apart. This season seems tougher than recent memory as they lack the creativity that has been present in recent years.

    @333.MUFCTrini - my take on Berbatov is this:
    I still think Berbatov is a great player - Hansen, 12.01.10 and countless others.

    I don't see how. He has never even had a great game let alone a run of form that would allow anyone to consider him as a great player. Sure the price tag may not be his fault, and was always going to be hard to live up to. But he wanted to come to United and admirably chose them against the higher offer of City. And so far, I don't think he has come anywhere near showing the desire and will to play for such a team.

    Valencia who at best is an average player, shows much more ambition and presence to change a game (and also has 6 goals this season from the wing).

    Merely playing in a United shirt doesn't make you a great player.

    Dropping a fit Berba in the Champs League Final suggests Fergie thinks so too. Although i can understand why he won't be willing to admit it.

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  • 370. At 5:29pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Trini, well, you're spot on with that. Totally insular views in that regard. I'll be hosting a SuperBowl party and will have to set them straight on that. The FA Cup final, shown all over the World might even have a bigger TV audience than the SuperBowl.

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  • 371. At 5:30pm on 12 Jan 2010, used2beprofi wrote:

    thost lat 3 paragraphs were so frezzin funny...BIG thanks for the laugh (and cough)...goes to show why your the best, robbo, thx for entertaining...:)...

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  • 372. At 5:31pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    Very well burntapple. I think the only reason Park plays for Man U is the money that the club makes from the Asian supporters. If he was sold, a huge number of Koreans might stop following Man U. But he does put his heart into it when he plays, and the last game against Birmingham, he linked up quite well with Evra.
    I admit I didnt know that stuff with Kai, thx for the heads up!!

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  • 373. At 5:31pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    What is all this talk of Lingerie League.


    I'll have all you traitors know that this is a football blog and will remain as such as long as I have internet access and some beer in my system

    http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/edf91c04591de8f92587c5f58bc639747e3d223f_m.jpg

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  • 374. At 5:34pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    or
    http://images.scaryideas.com/394.jpg

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  • 375. At 5:37pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    Dhanoal0t, I only started following Berbs when he played with Spurs and I liked him a lot. I guess that he complimented a player like Keane much better and vice versa rather than Rooney or Owen.
    If he does step up his game the second half of the season, he will stay but I think if he does remain mediocre Fergie will sell him

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  • 376. At 6:05pm on 12 Jan 2010, NEARPOSTHEADER wrote:

    338. American Football is actually an incredibly intricate game played by men who really need to be able to grasp the complicated plays - for a lot of 'soccer' players, tactics involves running towards the ball and kicking it. My beef with watching AF on TV is that with virtually every single break in play, it's off to a commercial and an hour's gametime turns into nearly three with all the breaks, timeouts, judges' calls, etc. Great entertainment, however - and to all thsoe who criticise the body armour, just take a look at a lot of ex-players, commentators - they don't have a neck between them! All the hits they take depresses the spinal column. American footballers do not, in general, have long lifespans - that says it all.
    Ok, back to the usual subject of Man U (yawn) - Antonio Valencia; is there a problem with this lad? He looks to be pretty shy and unassuming, but his lack of emotion when he scores, quite frankly, is troubling. I mean, he plays for one of the biggest clubs in the world, earns a fortune and he's just scored a goal - a smile at least?
    I think Sir Alex is getting it wrong at present - he's got to play another striker with Rooney, because Wyane is having to wander all over the pitch looking for the ball and he has no understanding with Valencia - sometimes it looks like they are laying on opposing sides.

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  • 377. At 6:05pm on 12 Jan 2010, shedboy_FTD wrote:

    How about

    Evander Sno
    Nigel Winter-burn

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  • 378. At 6:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, shedboy_FTD wrote:

    374. At 5:34pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    Yeah but whats their ball control like.

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  • 379. At 6:18pm on 12 Jan 2010, Harlequin wrote:

    Things aren't looking great for United this season but I wouldn't go as far as saying they won't win anything seeing as they're not only in the semis of the Carling Cup but are, in my opinion, the favourites to win the competition.

    I don't think you can attribute United's shortcomings entirely to the departure of Ronaldo or Tevez. Neither player is irreplaceable IMO. Ronaldo's athleticism makes him a real problem to deal with but intellegent defenders (a.cole, clichy) would regularly keep him in check. The problem people have in determining individual skill in the Premiership is that there are too few examples of it here. IMO Ronaldo was/is to Football what Nadal was/is to tennis. Both not the most technically gifted players, but excelled because of their sheer ahleticism.

    United had wide threats on either side which stretched teams and made them a handful to defend against. this forced side backs to track them, divided centre backs and allowed midfielders to pick from a multitude of options going forward. The trouble is Rooney is an 'in the hole' player, Valencia hangs back for what seems to me to be for the sake of ball retention, Berbatov relies on the athletic efforts of others to compliment his technical ability (like Zidane, only worse) and Nani looks like a bit rate player. Darren Fletcher's inclusion is one that has baffled me. Why omit Scholes/Anderson/Giggs for a filler player devoid of any ability?

    These players (other than Fletcher IMO) are all extremely capable of spearheading United to another title but I feel the blame has to lie at the door of Ferguson for upseting the balance of a team who just 7-8 months ago were considered to be one of his greatest teams.

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  • 380. At 6:22pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    It seems that Wenger does not just sign young emerging talent. He also signs has-beens......

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/8455133.stm

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  • 381. At 6:27pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Beat me to it Colch...

    That should just about double the average age of the squad.

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  • 382. At 6:33pm on 12 Jan 2010, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    @Rod-The-Fierce

    Yes I am well aware of how TV highlights work. See, I've been in the Nou Camp when Lionel Messi has played an absolute stinker and then seen him portrayed as having won a match single handedly. I have also seen Rooney play a stinker and more often than not English TV pundits will say so.

    However, the fact of the matter is that it is very easy to point out the odd bad game. On the whole Rooney has been one of the best players in the Premier League and Europe this season.

    It's not just the English press that think it and a few people on here would be well advised to read further afield. He is revered across the continents and a plethora of clubs would snap him up tomorrow if the opportunity arose - and he'd light their leagues up.

    Financially I don't know when people will recognise there is absolutely nothing for any United fan to worry about. The worst will not come. If it were even close to happening you'll find that there are 4-5 multi-billionairres the world over just waiting to buy the club off the Americans - and probably in cash in some cases.

    This is all a world away from real football though. We've still not played a game, now counting 6 weeks, although it looks very likely that'll change this weekend. The upshot of that is that there will be at least 3 weeks in the close of the season when all Northern League teams will play twice - and it looks like one of our weeks will see this...

    Saturday - match
    Tuesday - match
    Thursday - match (cup)
    Saturday - match
    Tuesday - match (another cup)
    Friday - match
    Monday - match
    Wednesday - match (cup again)

    So, that'll be 8 games in 2.5 weeks, or to put it into context - more than 20% of the Premier League season in 17 days.

    Guess what too - not a single player will complain or ask for a rest.

    Premiership, pah.

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  • 383. At 6:39pm on 12 Jan 2010, tablapizza wrote:

    I never comment on blogs but this is a classy blog especially all those word plays. Boro can postpone their matches no probs.

    And you're right cos 2nd and a point adrift without Ronnie and Tevez isnt bad. And last year wasnt easy even with them. So I reckon are doing ok. But its always the same one bad game and people say your team is out of the running. At least we ve got loads of games to go. Its not as if we were watching England in the World Cup. Just imagine that, losing to Algeria or the equivalent of our defeats v Burnley or Leeds (with respect and everything they deserved the victories). We can catch up that kind of dropped points.

    So its alright at the mo. Why do people write off Arsenal as well?
    Cant understand it. Fergie says its a 2 horse race. Hmm.
    Oh well guess he's right. After all I was chanting ''Fergie out'' back at the Dell in 86 or whenever it was, and at numerous aways at Charlton, Watford etc etc. So as they say over here in France 'autant pour moi' which basically means he did something right.

    Cmon you Reds! And common England for Pete's sake. Lets do it this time

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  • 384. At 6:48pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    Most of the above posts are far too serious. "like this blog for the comments, i'd rather read, Zoots, Blogs, Trotts, H2s, Tommyb, Colch and Jacks etc etc... than robbos. (no offence lad). " What happened, someone point out that Man Iou (c/o H2H) are the poorest side in over a decade???? Or sumat????

    I promise that if Boro are ever in such a position I will happily take the sarcasm, brickbats and vitriol. Honest!!!!

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  • 385. At 6:48pm on 12 Jan 2010, qwerty7 wrote:

    Interesting that United have opted for their own "winter break" with a training camp in Doha.

    Perhaps fergie couldn't get his irritation across in the cold climate.
    So United will head back to the cold very fired up.

    Either way it will be interesting to see how the weather has affected United (and other teams) training schedule in recent weeks.

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  • 386. At 6:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    p.s. 4got to mention Zebedee, Eggs, RBA, Preach, Scotcheggs, Pilch and FBH - the last one of that esteemed bunch really is a great blogger :)

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  • 387. At 6:51pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    See Campbell had a great day - I now believe he sexed up no dossier and think he will do well in tonight's game?????//

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  • 388. At 6:53pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    WHitley (another top blogger) does one have to pay to watch Northern League games - might pop alomng to see the mighty Thornaby FC sometime??? Your vidoe of when whitley bay won some vases did it for me!!!

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  • 389. At 6:54pm on 12 Jan 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    Robbo you can go off someone, you know that.

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  • 390. At 6:57pm on 12 Jan 2010, United Dreamer wrote:

    I hesitate to say how we will do as the last time we had a mid winter break we came back decidedly jaded (not the World club champ - the year before).

    Robbo not even a mention of Fletcher's ridiculous sending off?

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  • 391. At 7:00pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    not even a mention of Fletcher's ridiculous sending off?

    COz it wasnt ridiculous???? Two yellas = a red. Its the rules as they apply to most clubs.

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  • 392. At 7:03pm on 12 Jan 2010, Robokopthe3rd wrote:

    Ok blog Robbo. Man City doing well...I have a theory about that. They now have a manager who sounds like their club.

    Man City now have Mancini, and Arsenal have Arsene Wenger.
    Some other clubs could follow suit. I suggest...

    Chelsea, Chelsea Clinton
    Liverpool, Doug Livermore
    Hull, Rod Hull and Emu
    Wigan, Terry Wogan
    AC Milan, Milan Baros
    Middlesboro`, Jayne Middlemiss
    West Ham, Kanye West
    Greenock Morton, Graham Norton
    Queen of the South, HM Queen Elizabeth II
    Blackburn Rovers, Jack Black
    Carlisle Utd, Belinda Carlisle
    Wolves, Wolverine
    Bolton Wanderers, Michael Bolton
    Everton, Clive Everton

    Cannot think of any more at the moment...add more if you think of some. Gives you something to do whilst there is no footy on.

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  • 393. At 7:05pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    Middlesbro and Middlesmiss
    I was thinking more Boro and Borat???

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  • 394. At 7:11pm on 12 Jan 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    Bristol City , Great Tits

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  • 395. At 7:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    apologies i thought it was a bird theme i will try again.

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  • 396. At 7:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, Bertie Button wrote:

    To be honest it does not really matter what all the UTD fans think about how good their team is this year, because most of us none UTD supporters have seen how bad they can be this year.

    Teams visiting OT were genuinely scared, not anymore, they are beatable, simple as that. I have said it before, Besitikas, Leeds, Villa and Sunderland (nearly) went to OT and won.

    Fletcher, bloody funny, he tripped the guy, had to go. What about Wes Brown against Leeds? (He kicked the sh** out of Leeds and stayed on).

    Look at UTD schedule over the last 6 weeks?? Hull (Lucky win) Wolves (McCarthy played a reserve team) Leeds (Outplayed) Birmingham (Lucky draw). Now the Mighty Burnley coming to OT, they will believe they can win, lets hope so.

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  • 397. At 7:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, socrates wrote:

    Another United blog.

    Desperate stuff Robbo - and by 'desperate' I don't mean 'bad', I mean the literal definition. Still, deluge of comments, job done.

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  • 398. At 7:20pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Robokopthe3rd
    Aston Villa - Ricardo Villa.

    Using people with a city/country in their name is too easy, Jason Scotland, Stephen Ireland, etc etc.

    Greenock Morton, Graham Norton is a good one.

    Howabout:

    An Under 9's team - Nani.

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  • 399. At 7:22pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    DG3

    Bristol City - Jordan

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  • 400. At 7:22pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    As a neutral I think writing off ManUre this early is a bit dangerous. Especially as three of their next four Prem games are Burnley, Hull and Portsmouth at home which should be 9 points. Arsenal away is likely to be tricky in the middle of that plus the 2 games against Man City in the Mickey Mouse Cup but in a month's time they could still be close to the top and they are notorious for coming good in the 2nd half of the season

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  • 401. At 7:24pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    FBH Fletcher's sending off was ridiculous because the second yellow card wasnt one. I think the ref wanted to see if Birmingham could have beaten United with 10 men..sadly they couldnt

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  • 402. At 7:26pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    I think you've got your SAF tinted glasses on Trini. He tripped the player as Birmingham were breaking and deserved the card. He had to go

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  • 403. At 7:27pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    CFC LOL the mickey mouse cup. Most teams are dying to hold at least one trophy for the season and the team that wins the CC will be extremely happy, excluding MUFC since they have too much of them in their showcase...

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  • 404. At 7:29pm on 12 Jan 2010, Robokopthe3rd wrote:

    Holloway2Holland

    You live in the Nederlands, right?

    Ajax, the cleaning lady.

    (Not that funny, I admit)

    How about Man Utd, Commander Worf...as they always seem to Klingon for a draw?

    (They`re getting worse)

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  • 405. At 7:33pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    401. At 7:24pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:
    FBH Fletcher's sending off was ridiculous because the second yellow card wasnt one.

    Trini - I distinctly remember the ref getting a yellow card out which, as it was the 2nd time he had done so to Flllllleeeeeeeetttcchhhhhhhhhh, then 2 yellas =red simples

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  • 406. At 7:34pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    CC isnt a mickey mouse cup, ever since 2004??????????

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  • 407. At 7:39pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    336. At 4:58pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    330, Spit would be one of those Gunner buddies Trott..

    But you do have a point, there's not much worse then having to face a tram with something to prove to the new gaffer, heck, even the fans at the Reebok will be behind the team. When is the last time that happened?
    ____________
    H2, sorry it's taken so long to acknowledge your post #336. I was wondering for the last three hours if we were having to go to the ground by tram because all the roads are so bad. Now I'm thinking it was just a little typo?

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  • 408. At 7:41pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    404 Robokopthe3rd

    Yes I do.

    Actually, I think they're quite good.

    Hamburger SV - Ronald McDonald
    Turkey - Bernard Matthews
    Swansea - Raquel Welsh

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  • 409. At 7:45pm on 12 Jan 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    RBA - you're no longer in my fanclub? i swear, the Christmas card must've been lost in the mail!

    so, has ManU ceased to exist yet?
    no?
    bug**r!

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  • 410. At 7:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, ForTheLulz wrote:

    Robbo, your CF should have been Furnando Torres.

    Match commentators: Simon Brrrrrrotherton and David Sleet.

    MOTD2 Presenter: Adrian Chills.

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  • 411. At 7:48pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    I thought you'd be used to the typo's on this blog (especially my posts) by now Trott.

    Tram, team, easy mistake to make. If you supported Blackpool then I could understand the confusion.

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  • 412. At 7:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Incredible educational value again Robbo, thank-you, it's about time you had some letters after your name.

    Main Entry: coc·cyx
    Pronunciation: \ˈkäk-siks\
    Function: noun
    Inflected Form(s): plural coc·cy·ges \ˈkäk-sə-ˌjēz\ also coc·cyx·es \ˈkäk-sik-səz\
    Etymology: New Latin, from Greek kokkyx cuckoo, coccyx; from its resemblance to a cuckoo's beak
    Date: 1615
    : a small bone that articulates with the sacrum and that usually consists of four fused vertebrae which form the terminus of the spinal column in humans and tailless apes

    This is surely the cue for comments from Bloga!

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  • 413. At 7:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, Robokopthe3rd wrote:

    FC Grasshoppers, Spiderman
    Dynamo Kiev, a battery farmed chicken
    Artmedia Bratislava, Morph
    AFC Wimbledon, the Wombles (doh)

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  • 414. At 7:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    and whoever is suggesting Wazza go off to Spain - you're having a larf!
    he'd be a shadow of himself without all those Glazer doughnut$. (coat?)

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  • 415. At 7:52pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:

    400. At 7:22pm on 12 Jan 2010, ColchesterFC wrote:

    As a neutral I think writing off ManUre

    ---

    Yes very neutral indeed.

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  • 416. At 7:52pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    H2, yeah, I got there in the end. Blackpool or San Francisco. It's easier when the typo doesn't result in a real word! Anyway, I agree with your assessment, if they're not up for this one there'll be trouble at mill.

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  • 417. At 7:57pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    I only put ManUre because they've been absolute dung this season Gaz, even ou have to admit that. They're just fortunate that no-one has been consistent so far which means you're still in there with a shout at the title

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  • 418. At 7:59pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Not as easy as it looks eh Robo'?

    That was truly a blogesche post Trotter, which when and how he does it is almost impossible as it looks.

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  • 419. At 8:00pm on 12 Jan 2010, GazUtd wrote:


    I've admitted it about a thousand times CFC. I've been admitting it since last season.

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  • 420. At 8:01pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    yep, perhaps Blog writes for Wiki in his spare time?

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  • 421. At 8:01pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Colch, to be fair to Gaz he has stated (more than once) that Utd have been poor.

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  • 422. At 8:04pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Blog knows a lot more then wiki Trott.

    I have to check it at least three times whenever he posts one of his longer comments.

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  • 423. At 8:05pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Good night for Sol Campbell. Arsenal reserves are 2-0 up and according to the live text commentary "It's going quite well for Campbell - his side are are winning 2-0. One of the journalists has just said that Campbell and his defensive partner are winning everything in the air - but that's not surprising given that they are about six inches taller than the two strikers they're up against."

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  • 424. At 8:12pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    423 Colch.
    He´s off after 45mins though, probably on an oxygen mask at the mo.

    Really makes me wonder if Senderos did something unspeakable to a member of AW´s family. To be left out behind Silvestre is all bad enough, but then to think we might be raising the dead to cover "his" position is just adding insult to injury.

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  • 425. At 8:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    Am I the only one in favour of Campbell's return to Arsenal?

    No idea why Senderos isnt up tp the job but surely AW can and has done worse assembling a defense line.

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  • 426. At 8:15pm on 12 Jan 2010, goonergetit wrote:

    Fergie should have retired in the aftermath of the Barcelona final defeat. It would have been respectful and dignified and the right moment, with head held high. Now he perishes and so does an ageing squad, Man Utd will do well to finish in the top four this year, that debt becomes huge, gargantuan. The most important thing for Fergie will be where does he leave Man Utd ? In what state ? Mid table ? The signs are there, time to make a dash for the exit.

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  • 427. At 8:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Even if Utd did go bust (Won't happen) It doesn't mean they'd be completly gone.
    In the worst case scenario wouldn't they just go into administration? Get points deducted and drop \down a division or two?
    ==========================

    H2... you made my day.

    Trott... out of interest, what happens in your kneck of the woods when it snows on matchday... do they postpone games for the same reason they do in england?

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  • 428. At 8:18pm on 12 Jan 2010, Wee Jim wrote:

    I can't believe some of the comments on here, from so called utd fans. What's the world coming to with fans slagging off their teams every time a team doesn't win?. In my day you supported your team, through the bad, the very bad, and the worse. Then if you were lucky enough you could be rewarded with the good, the very good and the odd sublime. It's odd, I remember when Chelsea had won the 04/05 prem title, Fergie had lost it and utd were on their way out. Then when Chelsea won the 05/06 title, the next year Fergie had really lost it and utd were finished. Then we had Utd winning the title for the next 3 years, so that was all forgot about, and Fergie was the greatest thing ever. When I read some of the messages on the boards nowadays, it is if some fans expect that their team to win every single game they play in, or they will not stand for it. I have a nephew who has supported 3 different premier league teams in 15 years. I Have seen kids in the Street who used to wear utd kits, then changed to Chelsea kits, for the 05/06 season after they had won the year before, and are now back wearing Utd kits. Although a bit older, one wonders are they any wiser, and God only knows what kit they will be wearing after this season. How utd have managed to stay in touching distance of the top, with such a decimated defense is a miracle, in itself, regardless of the other top teams dropping points. Then what was it we had all the so called TV Sport pundits, and back page sport writers telling us after Chelsea beat Arsenal, oh that's right, !!! IT'S DEFINITELY A 2 HORSE RACE NOW !!!

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  • 429. At 8:20pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    428. At 8:18pm on 12 Jan 2010, Wee Jim wrote:
    I can't believe some of the comments on here, from so called utd fans. What's the world coming to with fans slagging off their teams every time a team doesn't win?. In my day you supported your team, through the bad, the very bad, and the worse.
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    I think we know the feeling FBH and Jacks

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    Then if you were lucky enough you could be rewarded with the good, the very good and the odd sublime.
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    But not sure what he's on about here

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  • 430. At 8:26pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Ok, Bo, here's what happens. When the forecast calls for snow the gritters are out and ploughs are at the ready. The ploughs will be manned 24 hours a day to keep the roads running. (Once in the 20 years I've been in NJ did they close the roads to the public. A state of emergency was declared in early '96 I think it was, when 36 inches fell in a day. As soon as the roads were cleared it was back to normal).

    At the stadium, an army of bulldozers moves into the car park and moves the snow, grit spreaders and shovellers work round the clock outside the stadium and a small army of snow clearers work inside it, shoveling the snow into and down the aisles and out of the stadium. However, it's all expected, predictable and routine which isn't the case back home now is it.

    Do you get the sense that the novelty is wearing off?

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  • 431. At 8:29pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    Can i be for once on topic add my tuppance to the whole alleged demise of MANU.

    Nothing dramatic is going to happen. United will be fine. Over the coming years, if they continue like they have in the past few years, their influence and iran clad grip on PL will wane gradually and then they being united, all will be somehow well again.

    Its a natural progression and no club/business is immune to it.

    So there. Now lose the hysteria and get on with the life.


    Or not.

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  • 432. At 8:31pm on 12 Jan 2010, SS11 wrote:

    RE: 245
    James ... you must be dreaming about Champions League. They are facing a rejuvenated AC Milan team that beat Real Madrid at home this year. So they could be serious giant killers in Europe this year and Man Utd with current defensive frailties could easily fall prey to Pato, Ronaldinho and Beckham (ofcourse).

    RE: 253
    No doubt you are an Arsenal supporter since you bought out the 'age' factor into consideration. [wink]

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  • 433. At 8:32pm on 12 Jan 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    They are well organised then Trott and you don't get games postponed.

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  • 434. At 8:32pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    425 Spit.

    We are talking about the same Sol Campbell that had a hizzy fit and walked out of our stadium during a HT break?

    What happened to the not re signing players policy? Let alone the famous Wenger youth policy?

    I´m all for a bit of experience in the squad, but in the case of Silvestre it hasn´t really worked to our advantage either.

    Don´t get me wrong, Campbell was a great defender and was one of the best in the world in his prime, but that´s long gone.

    How many times was he left for dead when he was playing for Pompey, his pace is gone.

    What also worries me was his willingness to drop down to league 2. (no disrespect) Surely that´s not the thing a player who still thinks he can cut it in the top league does?

    I have my reservations.

    AW and SC prove me wrong PLEASE.

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  • 435. At 8:36pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Well said Spit.

    It's not like Man U never got relegated now is it? Nothing new in this at all!

    1937...then again 37 years later in 1974. In fact another 37 years would take us to er, let me check that, er, 2011?

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  • 436. At 8:36pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    Jesus! I go away for a few hours to do a bit of graft and when I come back...

    ALL THE MANCS ARE REVOLTING!

    Mwah ha haaaaaaa!!! Howzit, Gaz?

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  • 437. At 8:37pm on 12 Jan 2010, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Holloway2Holland wrote:
    423 Colch.
    He´s off after 45mins though, probably on an oxygen mask at the mo.

    Really makes me wonder if Senderos did something unspeakable to a member of AW´s family. To be left out behind Silvestre is all bad enough, but then to think we might be raising the dead to cover "his" position is just adding insult to injury.

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    H2 - have you forgotten what Senderos is capable of? i'd always pointed to the Swiss Miss as Wenger's one glaring blindspot, but now i realize that he's acknowledged his mistake, and in retribution for all of those diabolical performances, has condemned him to a career spent in the reserves, vainly hoping for one last go at a meaningful injury-time corner.
    brilliant, Arsene - ruthless, but brilliant!

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  • 438. At 8:39pm on 12 Jan 2010, Bringbackbecks wrote:

    I didn't know so many financial whizz kids where football fans! It amazing since all this fuss about utds finance came about just how many people are qualified accountants! Well I know where to come for advice on loans, mortgages etc now!!!!!

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  • 439. At 8:40pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    H2,

    I am with you on most of the stuff but still think SC is way better than Silvestre.

    Also throwing hissy fits, remember the whole Gallas incident when Eduardo broke his leg?
    Well its the same guy who, along with TV, is perhaps instrumental in covering for our fairly pathetic GK, Al Munir

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  • 440. At 8:43pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    Trotter love your math, brilliant lol

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  • 441. At 8:44pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    440. Trini (nearly typed in Tranny),

    is that a trick comment?

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  • 442. At 8:45pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Trini, it's the 37 year itch!

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  • 443. At 8:45pm on 12 Jan 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Agree with you guys about Silvestre. As I have said in previous posts, he is Wenger's biggest mistake (in my opinion)... Campbell may prove to be his next biggest, time will tell.... although it wont cost Arsenal a lot and he is only there as cover.

    Tommy, Un**ed fans have always been revolting.

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  • 444. At 8:47pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Let me suggest a purely fictional scenario........

    The financial institutions refuse to refinance Man Utd's debts and the bond issue fails. the debts get too much for the Glazers and the administrators are called in. United are deducted 10 points at the start of the 2010/2011 season. Giggs. Scholes and GNev retire. Ferguson quits, Vidic, Rooney and Ferdinand all leave to go to Spain. United starting the season on -10 points are forced to field a youth team and end the season bottom of the league 20 points from safety and are relegated to the championship.

    Possible?

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  • 445. At 8:49pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    444 Colch, see #435, it's a certainty! 37 + 37 + 37 = 2011

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  • 446. At 8:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    Colch, one amendment... Fergie doesn't retire, he does a Jock Stein on the touchline and is forever trapped like this in a state of Wrigley Mortis.

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  • 447. At 8:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Col... I like your fiction, if you write a book based on that I promise to buy it.

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  • 448. At 8:51pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Or alternatively...........

    Roman Abramovich's new girlfriend gives him an ultimatum "It's either Chelsea or me". Roman pulls his money out of Chelsea in preference to pulling out of his girlfriend. Chelsea cannot manage their debts and the administrators are called in. An elderly team is broken up and Chelsea starting the season on -10 points are forced to field a youth team and end the season bottom of the league 20 points from safety and are relegated to the championship.

    Possible?

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  • 449. At 8:53pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Trott, that´s more impressive than cracking Da Davinci Code.

    Ay op Tommy, nice link.

    Bringbackbecks, I´ll gladly do your finances, if you don´t mind losing your house.

    Denis, yeah I remember the old Senderos, I used to call him Sendhinoff the amount of bad challenges he used to make. Bot the last few times I saw him, playing for Sw, he didn´t look to bad.

    Spit, being better then Silvestre does not necassarly make you worth much.
    But in credit to Silvestre, he can be bad in a number of positions.

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  • 450. At 8:58pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Tommy.

    Wrigley Mortis sounds like dead chewing gum.

    Colch, I like your style sir.

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  • 451. At 9:00pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    That was the joke, H2! He loves a good chew, old Fergie. Oh, and did anyone get RBA's "envelope" (begins with E, ends with E and has only one letter in it) on the last blog? Though "epistle" would be equally apt.

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  • 452. At 9:02pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Or possibly...........

    Gillete and Hicks have a drunken fight in the centre circle at half time as they realise that the debts are out of control. The administrators are called in. Benitez retires to run a cafe in Spain. Torres, Gerrard and Reina go to Spain. Liverpool starting the season on -10 points are forced to field a youth team and end the season bottom of the league 20 points from safety and are relegated to the championship along with Man Utd and Chelsea. In a bizarre twist, Colchester and Aldershot now both owned by Saudi billionaires share the Premier League trophy having both won all their games that season apart from 2 draws with each other and scoring 450 goals each while conceding none. Kaka of Colchester and Ronaldo of Aldershot are named joint players of the year each having scored 300 goals in the season.

    Possible? Or am I just being silly now?

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  • 453. At 9:04pm on 12 Jan 2010, MUFCTrini wrote:

    CFC Great scenario. However I do say I like the Chelsea one better as well as the MUFC one is near impossible, though mathematically true.

    Spits, it was more of a sarcastic comment, I can hardly see United get relegated so quickly. Now Liverpool.....

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  • 454. At 9:05pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    I see you lumbered RBA with the Tumbler there, Colch! And... drunken Americans? Nah, too puritanical for that, except in NJ of course!

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  • 455. At 9:06pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Tommy.

    Doh, I didn´t chew that one over enough.

    I got the envelope one, as did´'Arry (allegedly), epistle is a bit long winded.

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  • 456. At 9:06pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    Is there a Gooner scenario on the horizon? Problem is they already field a youth team and do rather well.

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  • 457. At 9:07pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    I'm glad you think it's only the drunken americans bit that is unlikely Tommy.

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  • 458. At 9:07pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    H2 - sorry to burst your bubble, mate.

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  • 459. At 9:09pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    Fergie's always very premeditated in his complaints, don't you think? Likes a good mulled whine.

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  • 460. At 9:10pm on 12 Jan 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    459.. nah Tommy, I always know what he is going to say.

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  • 461. At 9:10pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Just for you Tommy..........

    Arsenal, the very model of a well run club, realise that they have no unmanageable debts and that they are in prime position to dominate the Prem for years to come. Until Arsene Wenger in a fit of madness signs a british player (Emile Heskey) which unbalances his team to such an extent that all the other players walk out in disgust with Fabregas signing for new league leaders Colchester in a joint deal with Aldershot. Wenger resigns and moves back to france to grow grapes and make wine. Arsenal are forced to field Heskey on his own every week and finish bottom of the league 20 points from safety and are relegated. Whitley Bay are promoted to the Prem to take their place

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  • 462. At 9:14pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    "mulled whine"

    Ha ha, top shelf....................Or should I say top rack? (No Jordan, I'm not talking about you)

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  • 463. At 9:16pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    No Sol involved, Colch? Couldn't they all catch CJD from the big fella and start eating their own boots? Emile is immune. Donkeys can't catch the human strain.

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  • 464. At 9:16pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Colch, that would NEVER happen....


    We couldn't afford Heskey.

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  • 465. At 9:17pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Or maybe they caught CJD from infected leather after eating their boots

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  • 466. At 9:23pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    Cruyff's Felt Knackered Disease... why the Dutch never won the World Cup.

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  • 467. At 9:24pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    QPR's losing 2-0 at home.

    Which managers are currently available?

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  • 468. At 9:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    3-1 now H2. They're flying in at Loftus.

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  • 469. At 9:25pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    QPR are losing 3-1 at home

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  • 470. At 9:26pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    466. At 9:23pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:
    Cruyff's Felt Knackered Disease... why the Dutch never won the World Cup.
    ________________________________

    CFK Disease or the Reverse KFC Disease is incurable.
    Many a Nani have succumbed to it.

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  • 471. At 9:27pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    I've got Birmingham, Sheff Utd, Cardiff and Derby in the accumulator tonight. I just need Derby to score and I'm in the money. Also got Birmingham and Sheff Utd in a double which looks good at the moment

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  • 472. At 9:27pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    466, We get the documentories and conspiricy theories on TV every 4 years Tommy.
    T.V execs are blowing the dust off the tapes as we speak.

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  • 473. At 9:28pm on 12 Jan 2010, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Seems as though Campbell's call up to the reserves was the proverbial straw for Senderos.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/8455210.stm

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  • 474. At 9:30pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    I think we know the feeling FBH and Jacks

    Colch or wee jim - whoever said this and whateverthe context I agree - cant speak for Jacks tho

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  • 475. At 9:30pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    471 Rooting for you Colch.

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  • 476. At 9:30pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    A question, seeing as Spit has directed us toward the hutch... in this cold weather, are battery chickens more humane? You'd want to stay huddled up in these conditions, wouldn't you? I mean, I'm no chicken, but it's baltic in my house. Lord only knows what those poor poultry are having to put up with.

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  • 477. At 9:32pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    422. At 8:04pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    Blog knows a lot more then wiki Trott.

    H2H - preach for wiki not blog (with all due respec to blog)

    p.s. amazing experience tonight - andy townsend said sumat I agreed with (it was about players passing back to keeper to much and not taking responsibility)

    p.p.s. players as in footy chaps not those who like to have several ladies on the go at the same time...

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  • 478. At 9:34pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    Bo, I'm not surprised. He wants to go somewhere where it's easier and the strikers aren't so mean and challenging.

    Coventry fans look like the Wurzels.

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  • 479. At 9:34pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    Liverpool fans must be chuckling - talking of the demise of Man Iou rather than Pool???? Citeh for top four !!!!

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  • 480. At 9:36pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    476. At 9:30pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:
    A question, seeing as Spit has directed us toward the hutch... in this cold weather, are battery chickens more humane? You'd want to stay huddled up in these conditions, wouldn't you? I mean, I'm no chicken, but it's baltic in my house. Lord only knows what those poor poultry are having to put up with.
    ______________________________________

    Dont know nothing about baltic chicken.

    Chicken Balti on the other hand is me Favourite.

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  • 481. At 9:37pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    I'm blatantly cribbing from the live text now but........Jedward are watching the QPR v Sheff Wed game. On the pitch for Sheff Utd are Ched evans and Jamie Ward. Or CHEDWARD.

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  • 482. At 9:38pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    Colch - if any of your multitude of bets come in tonight can you put it on the lottery and if that wins can we start our own blogg and exclude fans of the big 4 (except H3H) ????
    cov 1 pomp 1!!!

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  • 483. At 9:39pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    About time, too, fbh. I've ridden the storm with dignity and élan. Now it's their turn. And now an ex-Red has thrown Pompey a lifeline. Nice work, la!

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  • 484. At 9:39pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    476,
    I'll take a good old fashoned chicken Tommy

    Those battery operated ones taste like cr@p. (got drunk and raided the kids toy chest)

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  • 485. At 9:40pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    haha, TommyB, thanks for the NJ exemption! Them chickens'll soon get warmed up!

    H2, the holy grail is buried under a pigeon coop on an allotment just outside Bolton.

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  • 486. At 9:41pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    485 Trott,

    surely you mean the holly grill?

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  • 487. At 9:45pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    I don't know how I manage it every time. On saturday I bet on 6 teams to win and 5 of them drew. Tonight I've bet on 4 to win and 3 of them have drawn.

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  • 488. At 9:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    And pidgeon poop

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  • 489. At 9:46pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    Colch - errmmm - bet on 3 to draw???

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  • 490. At 9:47pm on 12 Jan 2010, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Colch, you were doing OK until you told us your bet............

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  • 491. At 9:47pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Either that FBH or I keep betting on teams to win and let you guys know who they are and then you all go and back the draw and we split the profits

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  • 492. At 9:48pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Portsmouth should buy Sol Campbell from Arsenal!

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  • 493. At 9:50pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    492 Trott,

    I expected you of all people to come up with some original ideas

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  • 494. At 9:51pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:

    wasn't he free of charge last time?

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  • 495. At 9:53pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    Colch - me owld fella does the geegies - I once bet on 6 teams to win and was let down by Darlington!!! Humph.Didnt make that mistake agen!!!

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  • 496. At 9:53pm on 12 Jan 2010, Spitfire wrote:

    494. he still is.

    Let him sign for Arsenal first.

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  • 497. At 9:53pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Apparently John Utaka at Portsmouth is on £80000 a week. Fabregas is on £60000 a week. Who would you rather have in your team?

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  • 498. At 9:54pm on 12 Jan 2010, TommyB wrote:

    Apparently a sports footwear company has begun using sustainable products in the African continent. So we can be safe in the knowledge that all will be well when we get a Benin Puma.

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  • 499. At 9:54pm on 12 Jan 2010, TerryFBH wrote:

    494. At 9:51pm on 12 Jan 2010, TrotterUSA wrote:
    wasn't he free of charge last time?

    Unlike leroy lita - charged with being drunk and disordely - £80 fine - wouldnt care he was in toonland!!!

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  • 500. At 9:56pm on 12 Jan 2010, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Surely being drunk and disorderly is compulsory in toonland. That's as bad as being modded on here for being off topic

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