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Robbo Robson | 14:39 UK time, Monday, 14 December 2009

Ryan Giggs is in shock! You're not the only one mate.

The SPOTY gong usually goes to someone who has reached the absolute pinnacle of their sport - and does so in a specific place and time: Gazza's tears, Becks's free-kick, Zara Phillips's ermm... well, her too.

And Giggs goes and gets it for - well, you know what, I don't really care why he's got it, but I'm mighty glad he did.

Footballers aren't held up as the greatest of role models these days - but then anyone who swaggers around late night hot spots with a bevy of beauties in tow and a Champagne tab opened at the bar deserves a bit of derision. Not so much Premier League striker as wannabe Peter Stringfellow, some of 'em.
Ryan Giggs after scoring against Arsenal in 1999Giggs prepares to bare all after scoring against Arsenal in 1999
I can't remember Giggs ever getting himself in the papers for owt other than his football. He had a relationship with Dani Behr (or Nookie Behr, as a mate once optimistically called her) but that wasn't for long. Then there was the shirt-off celebration of that epic winner against Arsenal in the FA Cup semi-final - my first unsettling experience of RyanHair.

(Incidentally, can we just allow players to whip their tops off when they bag a last minute equaliser? For goodness sake, do administrators understand nothing about football's passions? Besides which, it would bring in a whole load more fans to the women's game.)

Giggs won the award for being a fine, talented and utterly professional human being. It was a bit unfair that when Lineker asked him how he kept going so well, Giggs said something about 'looking after himself' and they went to a cutaway of one Freddie Flintoff. By way of contrast, I presume.

Anyway, I'm chuffed for the bloke. So much for this country's anti-United bias, eh? Although somehow, Retail Opticians Poster Boy Capello (one successful qualifying campaign) pipped the Govan Growler Fergie (gazillions of trophies and an ability to bend time to his will) to the Coach of the Year.

I was pleased that Giggs pipped Button too. I've got nowt against Button particularly, it's just the difference between winning and losing at F1 level has nowt to do with the driver. He should be handing his award on to the Brawn double diffuser, I reckon. Lance Armstrong's autobiography was called 'It's Not About the Bike'. Jenson's is going to be called 'It IS about the car'.

Button paid tribute to the team that got him his World Championship. And he'll be driving for McLaren next year. Maybe Giggs's unswerving loyalty got him a few more votes 'n' all.

As for the other contenders, well I voted for Jessica Ennis, but I confess I wasn't voting with just my mind. David Haye revealed that at an early age he realised he could 'punch really hard' so he thought he'd keep doing that. I found a similarly prodigious ability for ducking and have been just as dedicated to it.

Beth Tweddle looked horrendously nervous in the initial line-up, and supremely relaxed at the prospect of standing in her gymslip and doing loads of tipple-tails. It strikes me that one of the first thing a gymnast gets trained to do is a rather rubbish 360 degree wave.

I was surprised Straussy wasn't in the top three. But then his England did win team of the year, which, given the women's cricket team won everything they went in for, seemed a tad harsh. Mind you, why them lasses had to come on stage dressed as staid 1950's cabin crew was slightly beyond me.

The Beeb have turned this end-of-year fest into a right big number now. They managed to fit 11,000 people into that Bond enemy warehouse in Sheffield and I have to say I didn't recognise half of the ones they kept showing applauding. (Mind you, if that was Cavendish's lass they kept showing I'm not surprised he's in a hurry to finish his races.)

They always seem to build in an element of danger into the whole event, mind. This year it was a staircase that wouldn't have looked out of place on an abseiling training wall. Gifted, wonderfully lithe athletes descended this flight like timid mincing jessies.

I do love this programme, though, mainly 'cos it reminds you of what we've forgotten, not least Tom Watson's incredible Open Championship during which my missus asked me why Watson always wears that turtle neck sweater and I had to tell the silly mare that that was his real neck.
Tom Watson at the 2009 OpenTom Watson lost the 2009 Open by a neck
No mention of Tiger. I suppose it'd be difficult to show clips of the philanderer at the mo. Even Peter Alliss saying summat innocent like "Here's Tiger Woods on the 10th" would have a whole new set of connotations. And why let Woods ruin a celebration of the mighty Seve?

Let's be clear. Golf is a pretty damn tedious game at the best of times. Hit tiny ball with silly stick into miniscule hole half a mile away. And take half the day doing it. It's like geriatric orienteering with mowed bits to show you where to go next.

But even I sat up and watched when Ballesteros wielded a club. He turned a clunky bit of metal into a musketeer's epee. No one, bar possibly a spurned golf professional's wife (allegedly), has flashed a five-iron to such extraordinary effect.

It was wonderful too that Olazabal could hardly keep it together, that the award was handed over on a comfy sofa in Seve's front room (an antidote to the in-hangar light show and crashing music) and that Olly put a Steve McClarenish 'shh' to an 's' when he said: "I do have someone very special sitting next to me."

Suffice to say this is the sort of stuff that can make even a Teessider well up. It's come to the point now where the Lifetime Achievement Award is surpassing the main one - in fact given Giggsy won the main one, perhaps there were two Lifetime Achievement Awards given on Sunday night!

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  • 1. At 3:28pm on 14 Dec 2009, NijaGooner wrote:

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  • 2. At 3:35pm on 14 Dec 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    First for the Mods I reckon.

    Good for Giggsy there, rare for a footballer these days to be known just for what he does on the pitch. Prodigiously skilled at what he used to do and adapting his game nicely now time has robbed him of a lot of his pace he once had.

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  • 3. At 3:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, LABSAB9 wrote:

    I would like to be the first to offer my congratulations......

    Not to Ryan Giggs but to NijaGooner, well done on being first!!!

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  • 4. At 3:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, freddawlanen wrote:

    Let's get this straight, all the numptie Utd fans who voted for Giggs made a mockery of SPOTY.

    We had choices of Britains first ever gymnastics world champion, the youngest ever diving world champion, the heavyweight boxing world champion, someone who destroyed the field to become a multi-event athletics world champion, the fastest sprint cyclist in the world and the F1 winner.

    ...and the award goes to a very good footballer who's made quite a few good cameos in the last year, really, that just about sums it up.

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  • 5. At 3:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    I think this years show demonstrated to all that watched that it's time the old girl was taken to the glue factory.Smug navel gazing about nothing in particular,as long as it was on the beeb.And then to top it all,Ryan Giggs?.Now,he's had a great career,good role model and all that but he was up against world champions,a cyclist who is miles better than the rest at sprinting,a man who turned english cricket round from the mess it was post-Pietersen and the middle classes favourite in Murray(why was he in it?Hardly in the same league as Roger and Rafe.Not even the best of the rest)So well done to all those Man Utd. fans that voted for someone who wasn't even the best player at his club.
    Time to ditch it beeb.

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  • 6. At 3:41pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Posted on the last blog, but more relevant here;

    899. At 3:05pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    The reason why RG won the SPoTY is because most people couldn't really give a hoot about most of the other sports repersented.
    Man Utd being as popular as they are gave RG a pretty large advantage over the others, because I Imagine that many fans voted for him purely out love for Utd.

    For the record I think Giggs is a consumate pro, a credit to his proffesion and a fine role model for the younger generation. But to win an award for his achievements of that YEAR, just doesn´t seem right.
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    901. At 3:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    H2H - agree entirely...here to accept the award on behalf of ronaldo and vidic is ryan giggs



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  • 7. At 3:44pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Robbo wrote -
    I was pleased that Giggs pipped Button too. I've got nowt against Button particularly, it's just the difference between winning and losing at F1 level has nowt to do with the driver.

    so how did he beat barrichello? how did he beat the red bulls, when they were regularly faster?

    i know you aren't an F1 pundit, but this is obvious.

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  • 8. At 3:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, NijaGooner wrote:

    At 3:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, LABSAB9 wrote:
    I would like to be the first to offer my congratulations......

    Not to Ryan Giggs but to NijaGooner, well done on being first!!!

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    Accepted most graciously. As am sure Giggs did his well deserved award.

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  • 9. At 3:48pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Wrong subject today I think - could have been good to do one about Rochdale or Aldershot's record score for the seaason (then again maybe not eh?)

    Or even better Roy Keane's surge for glory - or even about a certain group with an excellent festive themed ep that should reach the pinnacle of the single charts.

    But as not

    Ryan Giggs won SPOTY - Deal with it.

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  • 10. At 3:50pm on 14 Dec 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    7. At 3:44pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

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    Erm, six times on the track on his way to the title Tim.

    End of the day he kept his car on the road a damn sight more often than anyone else did. As it was his only retirement was because he was shunted off of the track.

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  • 11. At 3:50pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Plus, you're saying Button doesn't deserve it because he didn't really have to work to win it, but then it's obvious last year Giggs was a squad player.

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  • 12. At 3:52pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    what are you saying, Star? i reckon JB deserved it. I know the Nobel is a joke, but i thought BBC SPoTY maintained some integrity.....

    ha

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  • 13. At 3:53pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    8. At 3:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, NijaGooner wrote:
    At 3:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, LABSAB9 wrote:
    I would like to be the first to offer my congratulations......

    Not to Ryan Giggs but to NijaGooner, well done on being first!!!

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    Accepted most graciously. As am sure Giggs did his well deserved award.
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    Looks like you failed/passed the dope test because your first comment is gone.

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  • 14. At 3:56pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    9. At 3:48pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Wrong subject today I think - could have been good to do one about Rochdale or Aldershot's record score for the seaason (then again maybe not eh?)

    Or even better Roy Keane's surge for glory - or even about a certain group with an excellent festive themed ep that should reach the pinnacle of the single charts.

    But as not

    Ryan Giggs won SPOTY - Deal with it.
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    At least we should be grateful it wasn't Gary Neville.I wonder how much longer this meaningless gong continues.Don't let this deflect from a great result for the Villa,Adam.
    As for deal with it,at least nobody on here will have to deal with your phone bill....

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  • 15. At 3:58pm on 14 Dec 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    I can't remember Giggs ever getting himself in the papers for owt other than his football.
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    Robbo - isn't this a perfect reason for NOT giving the Sports PERSONALITY of the Year award to Ryan Giggs?

    Yes, Giggs is the consumate professional, and has had a wonderful career, and he plays extraordinarily well.....for a 36-year old! The man was not in the best 10 players in the Premiership this year. And I will reiterate what I said last week - as this is a British award, it should go to contributions to British sport...not ManU! If you look at the other contendors, they all won for England or for Great Britain. Therefore, we must look at his contributions to Wales......oops! I dont think Giggs has been a good talisman for Welsh football - not just this year (obviously, as he is retired from international football!), but ever - he never cared, rarely played well, and always preferred to stay at home with SAF rather than play for Wales.

    So, no contribution to national sport, only plays about 1 in 3 games, and no personality....whatsoever! Robbo - I have to strongly disagree with you - Giggs as the BBC Sports Personality of the Year? Poor.

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  • 16. At 3:59pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    Quick point, does anyone else think that the reason Gerard didn't get the penalty yesterday was becuase of his blatent dive against Blackburn the week earlier?
    Adam, reckon Rooney's been taking out of hours lessons on the art of diving from Cronaldo via video link?
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    Giggs SPOTY, well done to him, although by the idea of the award he wasn't the right winner (should of been a lifetime achievement award or something) he was/is a winner.

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  • 17. At 4:00pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

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  • 18. At 4:01pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Ok robbo... you say "well done giggsy" a bunch of people say no way, a few more come back and say uh-huh! then the first go no way man! and then adam goes Gary Neville should have got it, then everyone says no way!

    It doesnt have to be like this... you know, i know, everyone knows Strauss should have won that silly award!

    And thanks Ad, Burton Albion Aldershot and PSB had teamed up fro the weekend for a special match promoting the Chrimbo single... It worked like this...

    Every Burton Goal represented every individual sale of the single (6)
    Every Aldershot Goal represented every single satified customer (you)
    Every Red Card represented Gods anger at the continuation of electropansy music... (1).

    So to summarise, Simon Cowell owns Christmas (It will be Cowelmas next year). Tne PSB wont chart this single, Your Happy and the baby Jesus is crying...

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  • 19. At 4:02pm on 14 Dec 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    I found a similarly prodigious ability for ducking and have been just as dedicated to it.
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    Nice one Robbo and just one letter away from what Tiger Woods has found that he has a "prodigious abilty for"

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  • 20. At 4:02pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    17. At 4:00pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Jacks - why not rename it most popular sportperson, no shortlist, and just announce it on the lottery or somewhere similar? the ceremony itself surely breaks the law about showing man-on-man oral sex on BBC, especially the Seve/Lineker bit.
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    Not a bad idea El Capitano.Another option is get rid completely.Navel gazing smug fest.Spend the money on something else,Auntie.

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  • 21. At 4:02pm on 14 Dec 2009, NijaGooner wrote:

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  • 22. At 4:04pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Adam, reckon Rooney's been taking out of hours lessons on the art of diving from Cronaldo via video link?
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    I think He say Stop'Ngog get one and Stevie G has been coaching him on England duty.

    There's no way Ronaldo would have got booked for that - would have been whistle, penalty, goal.

    That Villa - don't they know that they're only allowed to beat 3 of the big 4 and not the one with a Scottish Manager.

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  • 23. At 4:05pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Not a bad idea El Capitano.Another option is get rid completely.Navel gazing smug fest.Spend the money on something else,Auntie.

    maybe some decent live sport?

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  • 24. At 4:05pm on 14 Dec 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    16. At 3:59pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    Quick point, does anyone else think that the reason Gerard didn't get the penalty yesterday was becuase of his blatent dive against Blackburn the week earlier?
    Adam, reckon Rooney's been taking out of hours lessons on the art of diving from Cronaldo via video link?
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    I think Rooney and Gerrard are getting somewhat of a backlash after the Eduardo incident. There was a lot of talk about whether Rooney and Gerrard get the same treatment as they dive all the time, week-in week-out, but the media never mention it. So, yesterday, Gerrard was punished because of Rooney's (horrifically blatant) dive on Saturday. In much the same way as Bellamy was shown his second yellow for having previous.

    What do you think?

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  • 25. At 4:05pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    (It will be Cowelmas next year).

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    It's been Cowelmas for years taking over from Cliffmas

    This year it should be Chrismas (as in Lowe)

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  • 26. At 4:06pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

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  • 27. At 4:06pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    22. At 4:04pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:
    That Villa - don't they know that they're only allowed to beat 3 of the big 4 and not the one with a Scottish Manager.
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    They are still yet to play the mighty Arsenal mate, oh big four you say? :o)

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  • 28. At 4:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    As an Arsenal fan I feel slightly agrieved that after a weekend in which Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, L´pool and Spurs all dropped points, we get to discuss another disputable Man Utd related victory.

    I feel that we have missed a chance to point fingers and laugh at afore mentioned teams.

    I´m sure fans of Martin O´Neill´s club feel the same way too, so Gooners and Villians, this one´s for you.

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  • 29. At 4:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    I think Rooney and Gerrard are getting somewhat of a backlash after the Eduardo incident. There was a lot of talk about whether Rooney and Gerrard get the same treatment as they dive all the time, week-in week-out, but the media never mention it. So, yesterday, Gerrard was punished because of Rooney's (horrifically blatant) dive on Saturday. In much the same way as Bellamy was shown his second yellow for having previous.

    What do you think?

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    Probably right and the fact that Bellamy's an annoying (insert own adjective here)

    Bet you Eduardo doesn't get booked next time he does a Tom Daley

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  • 30. At 4:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    rooney is as bad as that french bloke

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  • 31. At 4:08pm on 14 Dec 2009, Doogle7691 wrote:

    Ryan Giggs should not have won the award. Yes, he is an incredibly talented sportsman but his achievements are based on being one of the best for a long time. An award more suited to him would be the lifetime award.

    I am very dissapointed, as an F1 and Button fan, that he hasn't been awarded this prize. His story this season has been a genuinely surreal one, not many would argue with that, and he now deserves some praise after the constant derision by the media during his "tough" years previous.

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  • 32. At 4:09pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    What do you think?
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    So rather than personal previous history it;'s more like anyone's else previous that has brought it into the recent spotlight? If true that isn't right as someone who doesn't dive is then discriminated against because of some other divers actions.
    Note that ROoney and Gerard dives were not mentioned anywhere!?

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  • 33. At 4:09pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    23. At 4:05pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Not a bad idea El Capitano.Another option is get rid completely.Navel gazing smug fest.Spend the money on something else,Auntie.

    maybe some decent live sport?
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    Now that would be a miracle.What do we have from the beeb at the mo?Nowt.Start using the £18 million Wossy gets on something else instead.Footy,cricket,rugby,proper darts(not the bdo duffers),anything

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  • 34. At 4:11pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    30. At 4:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    rooney is as bad as that french bloke
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    Which one?Robespierre,Louis XVI,William the Conqueror,Asterix?Oh,sorry,you mean the cheating weasel.My mistake.Try to keep up,Jack...

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  • 35. At 4:11pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Jack _ I must agree - SPotY is dull and open to manipulation and just basically not a fair playing field for those entered(?) - RG was (is) a great footballer but won this as he is Man U. Deserved? Probably not.
    H2H - as you are cross blogging you must deduct 1 from the score - you choose the blog.
    Tim - i didnt watch it "man-on-man" - glad I didnt!!!

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  • 36. At 4:12pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    H2, i am quite surprised that anything else should be allowed to be discussed... Although i must say this.

    United Lost, hahahahahaha, they were bullied as i predicted

    Liverpool and Arsenal were both VERY poor, i know your excited but beating pool is like beating leeds or newcastle or notts forest... it was more impressive in the 70s.

    Chelsea, score goals but cant defend a set piece if thier life depended on it.

    City, the problem with a bunch or primadonnas is, they will play well against chelsea but not care too much against Bolton

    Spurs, hahahahaha



    This all leaves me with one conclusion... This year no one is going to win it... not one team will finish higher than second.

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  • 37. At 4:13pm on 14 Dec 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    28. At 4:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    As an Arsenal fan I feel slightly agrieved that after a weekend in which Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, L´pool and Spurs all dropped points, we get to discuss another disputable Man Utd related victory.

    I feel that we have missed a chance to point fingers and laugh at afore mentioned teams.
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    Careful mate - its a bit early to start bragging! Did you watch the 1st half - we were shockingly bad!! ..... almost as lacklustre as Liverpool in the 2nd half - have you ever seen Anfield so subdued? I was embarrassed by the Emirates against Chelsea what with the crowd copying the team and giving up after 60 minutes, and most leaving with 10 minutes to go. But at Anfield?!

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  • 38. At 4:13pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    FBH,ever since Sky started to dominate the sports market,SPotY has become more irrelevent each passing year.Just do a review of the sporting year and bung it on the iplayer,or the radio.

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  • 39. At 4:13pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Hi Mrs M ;0)

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  • 40. At 4:16pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    30. At 4:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    rooney is as bad as that french bloke

    Which French bloke?

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  • 41. At 4:16pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    fbh

    the one we can't mention in conjunction with weasels

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  • 42. At 4:16pm on 14 Dec 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    I think that SPotY lost all credibility a few years ago when they had to ignore all internet votes due to a campaign which led to Justin Fashanu getting the highest number of votes about 5 years after he died. That just shows how easily the result can be manipulated

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  • 43. At 4:17pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Jack - u beat me to it - and what is spooky is that I was going to type a list of French people and it would have started with Robespiere but cant spell it!!! :-)

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  • 44. At 4:17pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    36. At 4:12pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
    This all leaves me with one conclusion... This year no one is going to win it... not one team will finish higher than second.
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    Accrington Stanley to win it RBH.They seem to be flying along now.Although I hope Rotherham go up as well...

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  • 45. At 4:17pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    29. At 4:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:
    Bet you Eduardo doesn't get booked next time he does a Tom Daley
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    Considering that was the ONLY time Eduardo has ever been embroiled in a diving controversy I should hope he doesn't.

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  • 46. At 4:18pm on 14 Dec 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    36. At 4:12pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Liverpool and Arsenal were both VERY poor, i know your excited but beating pool is like beating leeds or newcastle or notts forest... it was more impressive in the 70s.
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    Haha!! Nice mate! Plus I would like to second your "hahahahaha" at Spurs! Its about time they started getting realistic and dropping away like the also-rans that they were born to be forever more. Once again "hahahahaha" - Champions League aspirations indeed! Thats quite enough of that thank you!!

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  • 47. At 4:18pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Accrington Stanley????

    Who are they?

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  • 48. At 4:18pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    FBH,what isspooky is I knew you'd say that....

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  • 49. At 4:18pm on 14 Dec 2009, north23 wrote:

    fair play to giggs I didn't think he would win it! Yes he has a fantastic history but he is not at his peak now...

    Button and Haye must have felt a little bit miffed off to say the least, they had by right reach the pinnacle of their professions

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  • 50. At 4:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @45 Eggs, surely if Eduardo dives he deserves to get booked whether it's the first time or the 21st.

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  • 51. At 4:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Eggsy - they all dive. Eduardo seems more cynical, from that incident, but lets not pretend there are players out there who are honest.

    sorry mr arshavin

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  • 52. At 4:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Sorry,RBA.It's beyond London,so it's somewhere in the barbarian lands...

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  • 53. At 4:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Tim - cheating... weasels ... arrrgh U must mean Thiery Henry in view of his recent handball incident in a world cup knock out qualification game - is that the one????

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  • 54. At 4:20pm on 14 Dec 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    47. At 4:18pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
    Accrington Stanley????

    Who are they?
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    Exactly!!

    (Well, someone had to say it!)

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  • 55. At 4:20pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    not since vieira have i wished an arsenal player was at anfield as much as i wish arshavin was.

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  • 56. At 4:20pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    50. At 4:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, ColchesterFC wrote:

    @45 Eggs, surely if Eduardo dives he deserves to get booked whether it's the first time or the 21st.
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    Only for UEFA to then wimp out of it...

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  • 57. At 4:21pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    RBA & Tom, Arsenal were TERRIBLE, the worst I´ve seen them play in quite a while, this is what makes victory twice as sweet, we never usually win these games.

    Tom, it will probably be business as usual over the next few weeks. How many times in a season do 5 of your rivals drop points? Not many. Now is the perfect time to gloat.

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  • 58. At 4:22pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    54... thanks...

    Someone get that man a pint of Milk!

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  • 59. At 4:23pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    48. At 4:18pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:
    FBH,what isspooky ....

    Jack - its when that thing you use to unlock the door isnt very good ... particularly in places like China, Japan etc

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  • 60. At 4:23pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    "RBA & Tom, Arsenal were TERRIBLE, the worst I´ve seen them play in quite a while, this is what makes victory twice as sweet, we never usually win these games."

    But H2, sir, those game aren't usually against Liverpool.

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  • 61. At 4:24pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    50. At 4:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, ColchesterFC wrote:
    @45 Eggs, surely if Eduardo dives he deserves to get booked whether it's the first time or the 21st.
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    Clearly not, he's a gooner mate! ;o) You are right, a dive is a divem but the context it was meant in probably wasn't clear form my post.

    The reason for that comment was that he has very little history to be judged as a diver or not, Rooney and Gerard should always be under scrutiny as their previous records are not shining examples of how to stay on your feet.............over to you mods.

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  • 62. At 4:25pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    United Lost, hahahahahaha, they were bullied as i predicted

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    And like Aldershot did any better? I mean Burton were 15 or something before Saturday and 5-1

    glass shouses etc

    And Eggs surely you mean it was the first time the ref has spotted it.

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  • 63. At 4:25pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    59. At 4:23pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:

    48. At 4:18pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:
    FBH,what isspooky ....

    Jack - its when that thing you use to unlock the door isnt very good ... particularly in places like China, Japan etc
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    Well done,FBH.Get that man a takeaway...

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  • 64. At 4:26pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    55. At 4:20pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    not since vieira have i wished an arsenal player was at anfield as much as i wish arshavin was.
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    He was at Anfield twice Tim, scored 5 times already. ;p

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  • 65. At 4:26pm on 14 Dec 2009, tomefccam wrote:

    why is everybody moaning. The public voted, and giggs got the most votes. If all you people were that passionate about giggs not getting it, you should have voted elsewhere yourselves.

    Ps. Nice tribute to sir bobby. RIP

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  • 66. At 4:27pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    62. At 4:25pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:
    And Eggs surely you mean it was the first time the ref has spotted it.
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    No I didn't.
    We have and still do have players that dive, (Eboue springs to mind) Eduardo's fall against Celtic wa sthe first time I have seen him do that. As for Rooney, well against Villa, it most certainly wasn't the first time I have seen do that.

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  • 67. At 4:28pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    62. At 4:25pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    United Lost, hahahahahaha, they were bullied as i predicted

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    And like Aldershot did any better? I mean Burton were 15 or something before Saturday and 5-1

    glass shouses etc

    And Eggs surely you mean it was the first time the ref has spotted it.
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    The point is,Adam that at full time we all said something like,"Blimey,poor old RBA"and then had a smile at the fates.Whereas the Villa winning led to deafening laughter all round the country(except in Guildford)

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  • 68. At 4:28pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Adam - calm down son - having a go at RBA who supports a team outside teh Prem because they got beat on teh same weekend that Man U did - perspective dear boy ...

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  • 69. At 4:28pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    64. At 4:26pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    i knew that was coming. he is good, though

    tomefccam - good point. we only care enough to complain, not enough to change things.

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  • 70. At 4:29pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Eggs you wearing your Wenger glasses again? I saw a small gust of wind at Anfield knock Walcott over. Considering he's made of paper I'm surprised he doesn't turn into a kite and fly away

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  • 71. At 4:29pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    69. At 4:28pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    tomefccam - good point. we only care enough to complain, not enough to change things.
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    Apathy is not all its cracke......meh, can't be bothered.

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  • 72. At 4:31pm on 14 Dec 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    57. At 4:21pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    RBA & Tom, Arsenal were TERRIBLE, the worst I´ve seen them play in quite a while, this is what makes victory twice as sweet, we never usually win these games.

    Tom, it will probably be business as usual over the next few weeks. How many times in a season do 5 of your rivals drop points? Not many. Now is the perfect time to gloat.
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    Yes, but if it wasn't for the fact that Liverpool are about as fragile as a glass egg skating on thin ice, we would never have got back into the game - apart from Arshavin's wonderstrike, we produced next to nothing going forward, and we still look like a team that is more concerned about finding Snow White and calming down Grumpy, than a team capable of competing for the league. We've got games aginst Burnley, Hull, Portsmouth, Aston Villa, Bolton, Everton coming up - lots of physical teams that can just push off the ball like Chelsea did and Liverpool for 45 minutes - this doesn't concern you?

    Also, a lot has been made in the press of Wenger going nuts at half-time. What do you think Benitez said?! That has to be one of the worst half-time team talks ever - his team were totally dominate in every way and then returned as scared puusy cats frightened of their own shadow - brilliant!

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  • 73. At 4:31pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    68. At 4:28pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:
    Adam - calm down son - having a go at RBA who supports a team outside teh Prem because they got beat on teh same weekend that Man U did - perspective dear boy ...
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    look Southend lost so not even League 1 can bring me happiness so pointing fingers. Although laughing at the Scousers may make me feel a lot happier

    Roy Keane's surge for glory will see Ipswich Town promoted sonn and Keano offered a 10 year deal to keep him at the club

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  • 74. At 4:31pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Well its official...

    United are in such a state of disrepair, that even their most adam-ent fans are having to compare fortunes with Aldershot Town, the recently promoted back to the football years after being liquidised 17 years ago... Make you feel batter does it?

    Oh dear... its a long way down mate...

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  • 75. At 4:31pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    70. At 4:29pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:
    Eggs you wearing your Wenger glasses again? I saw a small gust of wind at Anfield knock Walcott over. Considering he's made of paper I'm surprised he doesn't turn into a kite and fly away
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    Your not reading properly mate, we were talking about Eduardo and I said it was the first time I seen him involved in any diving controversy (true) and then admitted we currently have players who do dive (true).....so the point you are making is what? That I said Walcott didn't dive? Or that I didn't say any Arsenal players dived? because I think we have established that already with my previous posts......over to you.

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  • 76. At 4:34pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    69, sorry Tim, couldn´t resist that one.

    Arshavin is indeed one of those special kind of players that can look like they contribute nothing for large parts of the game and then in the blink of an eye pull off a bit of magic that will win you the match.

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  • 77. At 4:35pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    United are in such a state of disrepair, that even their most adam-ent fans are having to compare fortunes with Aldershot Town, the recently promoted back to the football years after being liquidised 17 years ago... Make you feel batter does it?

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    Not particularly just felt a bit grumpy cos I got all excited when Chelsea dropped points then we missed the chance to go top. With Southend losing I can't even poke fun at ColU fans (had to hide my face when passing their phone box).

    Oh well acertain CD arrived today which is a bit more cheerful as it doesn't often snow at christmas and yet it just might this year

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  • 78. At 4:35pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    72. At 4:31pm on 14 Dec 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:
    We've got games aginst Burnley, Hull, Portsmouth, Aston Villa, Bolton, Everton coming up - lots of physical teams that can just push off the ball like Chelsea did and Liverpool for 45 minutes - this doesn't concern you?
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    Tom, none of those teams have anywhere near the quality of Chelsea and we can play through/round all of them. Chelsea are anb excellent combination of Stoke and Man Utd good at both the ugly and pretty football. None of the teams we are playing soon can do that with the exception of Villa who have given us a hard time the last couple of seasons. Well that's how i see it anyway mate.

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  • 79. At 4:36pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Eggs I never said that Walcott dived just that he is a bit lightweight and looks like a stiff breeze would lift him over the Irish Sea in an instant

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  • 80. At 4:36pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    haha, i know ad mate... i'm lucky i got cats to kick. bless em'.

    And i think the Cowell grip on the chrimbo single may be up this year... that song is very very very very very very poor?

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  • 81. At 4:37pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Maybe Villa can win the Premier League if they keep this up - however I'm not panicking as its not even Christmas yet and we're within 3 points of the top.

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  • 82. At 4:37pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    79. At 4:36pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:
    Eggs I never said that Walcott dived just that he is a bit lightweight and looks like a stiff breeze would lift him over the Irish Sea in an instant
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    So where did the "wenger glasses" comment come from, implying I had said he didn't dive or neglected to mention that Arsenal indeed have players that go to ground easily also......? :o)

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  • 83. At 4:37pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    79, if that happens tell him to give Gaz a nudge... (i notice your out numbered these days)

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  • 84. At 4:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    81. At 4:37pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:
    Maybe Villa can win the Premier League if they keep this up - however I'm not panicking as its not even Christmas yet and we're within 3 points of the top.
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    You sound like a Fergie clone (not the fit one from Black Eyed Peas) lol

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  • 85. At 4:39pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Adam - If you are feeling grumpy just say to yourself "At least I don't follow the Boro" six times whilst spinning round looking straight up and focusing on a single spot on the ceiling - you will either feel better or throw up

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  • 86. At 4:39pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    more implying not seeing previous Eduardo incidents

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  • 87. At 4:40pm on 14 Dec 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    78. At 4:35pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
    72. At 4:31pm on 14 Dec 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:
    We've got games aginst Burnley, Hull, Portsmouth, Aston Villa, Bolton, Everton coming up - lots of physical teams that can just push off the ball like Chelsea did and Liverpool for 45 minutes - this doesn't concern you?
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    Tom, none of those teams have anywhere near the quality of Chelsea and we can play through/round all of them. Chelsea are anb excellent combination of Stoke and Man Utd good at both the ugly and pretty football. None of the teams we are playing soon can do that with the exception of Villa who have given us a hard time the last couple of seasons. Well that's how i see it anyway mate.
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    I hope you're right mate I really do - at least Diaby's on his way back so we've got one midfielder above 5'8" - I still worry about creating chances upfront with no physical presence - RVP had got so good at holding the ball up for the midfield to come on - where's it coming from now. Teams will just fall back and so give no space behind or to the sides for us to through/round them and we'll be left with wonderful short passing between Nasri, Rosicky, Denilson etc. that is going nowhere. I hope I'm just being pessimistic....

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  • 88. At 4:41pm on 14 Dec 2009, aka_bluepeter wrote:

    Once the media selected him as a candidate the result was entirely predictable. Football has the largest and most passionate audience and MU are the most high profile club.
    Selecting the winner based on individual achievments and personality should be what matters but it's not....it's votes that matter.
    He deserves an award for his lifetime achievments but not this one.

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  • 89. At 4:41pm on 14 Dec 2009, oldstafford wrote:

    SPoTY...Thankfully I had better things to do than watch this ass kissing, money wasting tosh on the tele, where’s JDR to complain about where our licence fee is going when you need him? Recession what recession?
    As for Giggs ‘winning’ it, personally I think there were more deserving ‘winners’ but hilarious as it’s been great listening to the Man U haters having an eppi over it. Yep, let’s campaign to get rid of the tin pot thing but then waste our time complaining about who gets it anyway because… it was a United player who won it…priceless.

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  • 90. At 4:41pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    My,my.Adam's come out fightin' after his brave lads took a pounding Saturday night.And no chance of any christmas no.1 cheer for either of his fetishes,I mean favourites...

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  • 91. At 4:43pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    90, how do you know what chris lowe and niel tennent were up to Saturday night?

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  • 92. At 4:44pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    72, like you, and most Gooners on here, I too am well aware of our shortcommings when it comes to our title aspirations.
    But last weekends sequence of results is like a gift and should be enjoyed as such.
    So come and join me in having a well deserved, and rare opportunity at laughing at our rivals misfortune. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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  • 93. At 4:44pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    91. At 4:43pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    90, how do you know what chris lowe and niel tennent were up to Saturday night?

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    Oh,if only the mods weren't so keen today then we could say how far they were up to on Saturday night...

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  • 94. At 4:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, Tenisson wrote:

    I think a lot of people are expressing misplaced anger at the Beeb, and should be reminded that WE (british public 'we') voted for him... instead of being sat on here whining about it go down your local high street and start cursing passers by for their ridiculous decision...

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  • 95. At 4:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Who are Chris Lowe and Neil Tennant?

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  • 96. At 4:46pm on 14 Dec 2009, Evil-Weazel wrote:

    CaptainLazyTim and FBH: Goddamnit I told you to stop using us weazels as a derogatory term!

    That tears it, I'm gonna tell my mate Tony Pulis on you. He'll sort you out good n proper....

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  • 97. At 4:46pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Giggs won.
    It could've been worse.
    If Button had go tit.
    It could have been better.
    If Straus had go it.



    Also, whats the problem with footballers taking their shirts off? Crappy rule must be changed.

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  • 98. At 4:47pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    94. At 4:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, TeniPurist wrote:

    I think a lot of people are expressing misplaced anger at the Beeb, and should be reminded that WE (british public 'we') voted for him... instead of being sat on here whining about it go down your local high street and start cursing passers by for their ridiculous decision...
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    Giggs winning isn't the issue,I think the problem is the show is outdated,navel gazing,self congratulatory tosh.Any sport worth watching is on Sky and the beeb has missed an awful lot of tricks.If the Tories get in(shudder)don't be surprised to see the "crown jewels"list dropped then Sky will have the lot...

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  • 99. At 4:48pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    94 and others... WE did not vote for him... no mare than WE voted for that simpering grinning geordie to win the X-Factor... We did not do that, the people who feel the need to take part in a ridiculous television programme did that...

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  • 100. At 4:49pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    SPotY - its of no real consequence, biased in favour of those with a media profile and therefore biased in favour of certain sports and therefore unfair and meritless. The fact is giggs won because teh media chose him as a candidate - not the public, and he received the votes from the UK's largest sporting insitution. The good thing is that a Royal didnt win it - now that is taking the p...........

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  • 101. At 4:49pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    86. At 4:39pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:
    more implying not seeing previous Eduardo incidents
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    As far as I am aware he isn't a serial "go-to-ground-er" like Rooney, Gerard or Ronaldo. Of course if you can show me his other "incidents" I can happily admit I am wrong.......

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  • 102. At 4:50pm on 14 Dec 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    95. At 4:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:

    Who are Chris Lowe and Neil Tennant?
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    FBH,ever put some left over cold cuts in the fridge and thought"That'll be nice tomorrow with some bubble and squeek"then forgotten it was there until a strange smell appears....
    Well that's the pair above left over remnants from the 80's with their hackneyed old synth tat..

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  • 103. At 4:51pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    96. At 4:46pm on 14 Dec 2009, Evil-Weazel wrote:
    CaptainLazyTim and FBH: Goddamnit I told you to stop using us weazels as a derogatory term!

    I take it Evil is ok then??? :-)

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  • 104. At 4:52pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    87. At 4:40pm on 14 Dec 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:
    I hope I'm just being pessimistic....
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    You're a gooner mate, that comes naturally! :o)
    I think we'll take near maximum points form those gamnes, Xmas isn;t baout pretty football it's about winning and that is exactly the start we have made to this period, Stoke and now Liverpool. bring em on I say, we weren't expected to compete for anything this season and we can now try and prove people wrong. Those two results are the perfect start for us.

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  • 105. At 4:53pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    104, Well said Eggy.

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  • 106. At 4:54pm on 14 Dec 2009, Evil-Weazel wrote:

    103. At 4:51pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:

    I take it Evil is ok then??? :-)

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    Oh aye, no probs there. In fact, we think of it as rather a compliment!

    Hence why I'm mates with the Dark One ;)

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  • 107. At 4:56pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    103/104... It is actually true.

    Goomers tend to have 2 gears (though this is not the case for you all) Gear One- Pessimistic
    Gear Two- Smug

    You need to work on the middle ground.... But as you are part of my "anyone but a northern team who plays in red" crusade...

    I think your alright,

    I just have a bad feeling, countered by the fact your PURE football?

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  • 108. At 4:56pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    99, Good point RBA mate.
    Is there anyone here who actually did vote?

    And who chooses the candidates? Because Giggs seems a weird choice to me.

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  • 109. At 4:57pm on 14 Dec 2009, Nick wrote:

    Giggs actually being nominated was a complete joke along with Andy Murray. There are just as many if not more World Champions playing lesser sports that should have been in there.

    I'm with you Robbo even though I wasn't as sad as you. I would have voted for Ennis just because of her looks but I not sad enough to vote as I'm sure it's all rigged anyway.

    I actually think Cavendish should have won.

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  • 110. At 4:57pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    106. At 4:54pm on 14 Dec 2009, Evil-Weazel wrote:
    103. At 4:51pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:
    I take it Evil is ok then??? :-)
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    Oh aye, no probs there. In fact, we think of it as rather a compliment!
    Hence why I'm mates with the Dark One ;)
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    Has anyone ever mentione dyou look just like that guy off of the Compare the Market adverts? ;o)

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  • 111. At 4:57pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    #110 - Evil Weasel that is!

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  • 112. At 4:58pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    108... Robbo, your a BBC big wig. Do you have any say in who gets nominated???

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  • 113. At 4:59pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    107. At 4:56pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
    You need to work on the middle ground.... But as you are part of my "anyone but a northern team who plays in red" crusade...

    RBA last time I stand up for you when Adam is being .. well ... a Man U fan

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  • 114. At 4:59pm on 14 Dec 2009, Evil-Weazel wrote:

    Scotch, the Z implies I'm even more evil than my generic counterparts.

    Also would it freak you out that my real name actually is Alex?

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  • 115. At 4:59pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    110. At 4:57pm on 14 Dec 2009, you wrote:
    106. At 4:54pm on 14 Dec 2009, Evil-Weazel wrote:
    Oh aye, no probs there. In fact, we think of it as rather a compliment!
    Hence why I'm mates with the Dark One ;)
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    Has anyone ever mentione dyou look just like that guy off of the Compare the Market adverts? ;o)
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    111. At 4:57pm on 14 Dec 2009, you wrote:
    #110 - Evil Weasel that is!
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    Or is saying they all look the same considered racist towards small mammals?

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  • 116. At 5:00pm on 14 Dec 2009, Crazy Horse wrote:

    I phoned up to vote for Jenson three times and each time my phone went dead! There's a bit of a conspiracy I reckon!!

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  • 117. At 5:01pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    FBH, you mistake that for Southern bias, its not i really just hate united liverpool... Love the boro!

    well, i like yous anyroad! ;0)

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  • 118. At 5:01pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    114. At 4:59pm on 14 Dec 2009, Evil-Weazel wrote:
    Scotch, the Z implies I'm even more evil than my generic counterparts.
    Also would it freak you out that my real name actually is Alex?
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    z = X tra evil, must of missed that in maths class! :o)

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  • 119. At 5:01pm on 14 Dec 2009, ToledoTrumpton wrote:

    Giggs wasn't in the top 100 footballers this year.

    Very popular chap, and rightly so, but then again, it is given for personality, not achievement.

    If "Nice personality" means what it did when I was at school, it would mean that he was going to get nothing else, but he has won plenty. Shouldn't they be giving it to someone who tried hard, but didn't have a snowball's chance of winning. In which case Murray was the perfect recipient.

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  • 120. At 5:02pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    95. At 4:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:
    Who are Chris Lowe and Neil Tennant?
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    FBH - Where have you been they are the brilliant synth duo who will be number 1 on Sunday with the lovely titled It Doesn't Often Snow At Christmas

    Ladies, Gentleman and Jacks - I give you The Pet Shop Boys

    btw jacks they were playing a concert in Germany on Saturday

    H2H - don't know but I pick the winner and then ask Darth Pulis to use teh dark side of the force to channel my choices psychically to the nation.

    However Simon Cowell is resistant to this so may not work with the charts as he has dark powers of his own

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  • 121. At 5:03pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    114. At 4:59pm on 14 Dec 2009, Evil-Weazel wrote:
    Also would it freak you out that my real name actually is Alex?

    Interestingly mine isn't .... it's "Shagger"!!!

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  • 122. At 5:03pm on 14 Dec 2009, Evil-Weazel wrote:

    Scotch, you learned about small mammals in maths class?

    Lucky beggar, all we had were poxy numbers...

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  • 123. At 5:05pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    121. At 5:03pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:
    114. At 4:59pm on 14 Dec 2009, Evil-Weazel wrote:
    Also would it freak you out that my real name actually is Alex?

    Interestingly mine isn't .... it's "Shagger"!!!


    Does that make you shaggingborohurts?

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  • 124. At 5:06pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    122. At 5:03pm on 14 Dec 2009, Evil-Weazel wrote:
    Scotch, you learned about small mammals in maths class?
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    Our teacher must of been Richard Gere! LOL

    waits for the mods)

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  • 125. At 5:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    123. At 5:05pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    121. At 5:03pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:
    114. At 4:59pm on 14 Dec 2009, Evil-Weazel wrote:
    Also would it freak you out that my real name actually is Alex?
    Interestingly mine isn't .... it's "Shagger"!!!
    Does that make you shaggingborohurts?
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    ShaggingHurtsFollowingBoro?

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  • 126. At 5:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    waits for the mods)
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    If you're waiting for Paul Wellert & Terry Hall you'll be a lon long time

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  • 127. At 5:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, JimboT21 wrote:

    The only reason Giggs won was because man u cant be seen to go a whole weekend without winning anything, they'll lose fans if they do!

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  • 128. At 5:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    84. At 4:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
    81. At 4:37pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:
    Maybe Villa can win the Premier League if they keep this up - however I'm not panicking as its not even Christmas yet and we're within 3 points of the top.
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    You sound like a Fergie clone (not the fit one from Black Eyed Peas) lol

    Very rude people. Yall need to lay off adampsb ok....if I am correct, he does have a valid point, its not even Christmas...by the new year, hope everyone will be singing the same song

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  • 129. At 5:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    The discussion of SPotY - has raised another thougth (apart from biase, how to get nominateed etc) - the name is a misnomer. And anyway how does one jugde a sportman's (or lady's - it is the 21st Century and the Sports Brazier is here to stay) personality. Is it a good personality or a bad personality that win. Gazza, Keane even Boycott have personality but at least one of them has a penchant for domestic violence. SO not only is it a meritless show. Its also wrongly named!!!

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  • 130. At 5:08pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    116. At 5:00pm on 14 Dec 2009, Crazy Horse wrote:
    I phoned up to vote for Jenson three times and each time my phone went dead! There's a bit of a conspiracy I reckon!!
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    120. At 5:02pm on 14 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote
    H2H - don't know but I pick the winner and then ask Darth Pulis to use teh dark side of the force to channel my choices psychically to the nation.
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    It's all starting to make sense now.

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  • 131. At 5:09pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    123. At 5:05pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    121. At 5:03pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:
    114. At 4:59pm on 14 Dec 2009, Evil-Weazel wrote:
    Also would it freak you out that my real name actually is Alex?

    Interestingly mine isn't .... it's "Shagger"!!!


    Does that make you shaggingborohurts?

    H2H - I clenched my muscles when I read that - urrgghh lol

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  • 132. At 5:09pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    128. At 5:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:
    Very rude people. Yall need to lay off adampsb ok....if I am correct, he does have a valid point, its not even Christmas...by the new year, hope everyone will be singing the same song
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    Adam, your missus is here mate! ;o)

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  • 133. At 5:09pm on 14 Dec 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    Afternoon Gents,

    I'm extremely disappointed that Andrey managed to escape my clutches, but i'm hoping my scout in Indo-China will take care of them (apologies to all who weren't on the last blog, or who haven't seen Pulp Fiction)

    Agree with Tim, i wish he was in our side. H2H, Scotch and all you gooners, feel free to whoop it up - i know i would do. It was an even match - we had the 1st half, you the 2nd - but as soon as that own goal went in, we all knew what was gonna happen.

    The confidence drained out of us quicker than my bank account in HMV, and we could've played all night without so much as a shot on target. Nando is still feeling his way back and looked lacking a little sharpness, and this coupled with a uncharacteristically poor game from yossi meant we had no drive or excitement.

    The lack of atmos has got worse & worse over the last 4 years or so and is really beginning to hack me off. There's no point talking about the Kop and it's proud history if the other 3 sides are like the Library.
    Get behind your bleeding team or give your seat to someone who will.

    I know you all hate long posts, so i'll do this in 2.

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  • 134. At 5:10pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    127. At 5:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, JimboT21 wrote:
    The only reason Giggs won was because man u cant be seen to go a whole weekend without winning anything, they'll lose fans if they do!

    Guess ur jealous your club cant produce someone as masterful and professional as Giggsy...

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  • 135. At 5:10pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Adam - Paul Weller ... another one up his own backside!!!
    With Love
    Shagger

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  • 136. At 5:14pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 137. At 5:14pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    134. At 5:10pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:
    127. At 5:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, JimboT21 wrote:
    The only reason Giggs won was because man u cant be seen to go a whole weekend without winning anything, they'll lose fans if they do!

    Guess ur jealous your club cant produce someone as masterful and professional as Giggsy...

    MUFC - not sure who Jimbo supports but you miss the point as if they did Man U would only buy them

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  • 138. At 5:14pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    128. At 5:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:
    Very rude people. Yall need to lay off adampsb ok....if I am correct, he does have a valid point, its not even Christmas...by the new year, hope everyone will be singing the same song
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    Don't worry Trini, we will, Here are the words;

    We hate Man U, yes we hate Man u,
    We hate Man U, and we hate Man u,
    We hate Man U, yes we hate Man u,
    We are the Man U haters.


    Everybody, one more time.

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  • 139. At 5:16pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    H2H - I didnt - but Im beginning to....

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  • 140. At 5:16pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    133. At 5:09pm on 14 Dec 2009, themightymojo wrote:
    Agree with Tim, i wish he was in our side. H2H, Scotch and all you gooners, feel free to whoop it up - i know i would do. It was an even match - we had the 1st half, you the 2nd - but as soon as that own goal went in, we all knew what was gonna happen.
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    I don't subscribe to that membership mate, the only teams I delight in rubbing their noses in it are Spu*s and Man Utd when we get a result against either. One much more so than the other over the years. Sad but true, as I've had my fair share of ribbing off my many Wet Spam and Spud mates I try not to pull the tigers tail too often lol

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  • 141. At 5:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    138. At 5:14pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    Don't worry Trini, we will, Here are the words;
    We hate Man U, yes we hate Man u,
    We hate Man U, and we hate Man u,
    We hate Man U, yes we hate Man u,
    We are the Man U haters.
    Everybody, one more time.
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    Did anyone else aside from me actually sit at their desk singing that when they read this? lol

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  • 142. At 5:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    137. At 5:14pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:
    MUFC - not sure who Jimbo supports but you miss the point as if they did Man U would only buy them.

    If I could recall, Giggs been with Man U for 20 years and been homegrown. So I am not sure what you mean by tht.
    Or is it the votes you talking about....

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  • 143. At 5:21pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    138. At 5:14pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Great song!!! I hope you sing it @ the end of the season when your team is about 10-15 points behind us...like they usually are :)

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  • 144. At 5:22pm on 14 Dec 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    After the Debacle at anfield i must confess i didn't watch SPOTY (i sat in a darkened room watching Spanish Football - on SKY), but i wasn't surprized with the result.
    Giggs is a good egg, and the only United Player who i can say i've ever genuinely liked (Respected lots of them, never liked 'em) so i don't begrudge him it. I do agree the recent jazz-up of the awards show smells a bit like *urd-polishing, as their sporting line-up dwindles by the week.

    I will iplayer the show though, as i do care about the minority sports and this is really the only exposure a lot of them get. Re the voting system, it seems the Beeb feel phone votes are the only thing we understand these days - how wrong they shall be when the Christmas charts are announced to find Killing in the Name of by Rage Against the Machine as Christams No.1!
    All together now......."Some of those who run forces...

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  • 145. At 5:24pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    MUFC - you werent having a go at Jimbo coz Man U raised RG - you were having a go coz his team didnt raise a simlar one of their own - and if they did then Manu would come along and buy him (or her??? takes quizacle look at oneself) e.g. actually the list is too long to mention

    More seriously, why is it the Man U arent producing from within to the same level as they did - or am I misinformed???

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  • 146. At 5:25pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    143. At 5:21pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:
    138. At 5:14pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    Great song!!! I hope you sing it @ the end of the season when your team is about 10-15 points behind us...like they usually are :)
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    Would that be the last couple of years or are you talking about top flight football since it began? If the later, then I'd check the points aquired over that period then rethink that statement ;o)

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  • 147. At 5:26pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    MUFC - where are you from? WHere do you live?

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  • 148. At 5:30pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    145. At 5:24pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:
    MUFC - you werent having a go at Jimbo coz Man U raised RG - you were having a go coz his team didnt raise a simlar one of their own - and if they did then Manu would come along and buy him (or her??? takes quizacle look at oneself) e.g. actually the list is too long to mention

    More seriously, why is it the Man U arent producing from within to the same level as they did - or am I misinformed???

    I think a bit misinformed- If I am correct, I think we have Evans, Welbeck, Gibson and Darren Fletcher from our academy. I think then that our academy are producing good players and if I am not mistaken, all clubs usually go and buy players when they see the need to. The thing is which manager can get then get the best deal out of a player eg Owen

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  • 149. At 5:31pm on 14 Dec 2009, Amanbro wrote:

    Hi Robbo. In your little intro at the top right of this blog, you say that it's your job to tell it the way you see it.

    Then why don't you be honest and tell us the truth that SPOTY has been totally and utterly gawd awful for a number of years now and there are infinite number of alternatives from the current format which will make it alot better.

    It's a shame that the BBC is patronising us sports fans. Why not have a year end show highlighting the moments of the sporting year (INTERNATIONAL as well as British). If you are going to have a trophy then please let a panel of EXPERTS decide rather than people who don't give a hoot about sport and want to have a laugh. This has been going on for too long. I mean, Ryan Giggs, Chris Hoy! ZARA PHILIPS!!! OK. rant over :).

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  • 150. At 5:31pm on 14 Dec 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    Scotch,

    To be honest Arsenal-Liverpool always felt like a phony war to me. You're by far the lesser of 3 evils. If incidents like '89 or '01 had happened between us and Chelsea or Man U, it would have led to all-out warfare, but we clapped you off in '89 and i seem to remember Michael Owen (30 years old today by the way - how old do you feel now?) getting a good reception from Gooners in '02.

    It's only really Moanin Arsene i have occaisional issues with (and my ungracious Gooner sister). That song is very funny, but i fear Adam may have a point. We all know Utd are better in the 2nd half, and deep down we all expect them to be there or thereabouts.

    However, regarding the argument of not buying other teams talents, in my lifetime there has been:

    Ince
    Keane
    Pallister
    Cantona
    Yorke
    Carrick
    Berbatov

    And this is just a list of those players who were the best player at their club, and the club was in the top div. Before you come back i know we did the same in the 70's & 80's, but to say Utd is all homegrown is just tosh.

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  • 151. At 5:32pm on 14 Dec 2009, ilokid wrote:

    The ubiquitous 'SPOTY' award is now as irrelevant as the 'Honours List'. Really has nothing to do with recognising the best sportsman/sportswoman, but rather the most 'popular/who hasn't won it before/who do I owe a favour to?'. It started to go downhill rapidly when that Royal jockey was given the award a couple of years ago.

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  • 152. At 5:33pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    147. At 5:26pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:
    MUFC - where are you from? WHere do you live?

    A New Yorker from Trinidad. Started following MUFC since they signed a certain Dwight Yorke and havent stopped following them since.

    Scotch, I was talking about the past few seasons. I could go back but it would be pointless lol

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  • 153. At 5:33pm on 14 Dec 2009, Aljanon wrote:

    Like you, Robbo, I voted for Jessica Ennis and, when the results were announced in reverse order - first Jess, then Jenson - I assumed that David Haye had won it. I nearly fell off my chair when Giggsy won it. I think he did too. What did the England Ladies cricket team have to do to win the team award? No, don't answer that...

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  • 154. At 5:34pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    BoroFollowingHurtsShagging





    I am out the door

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  • 155. At 5:35pm on 14 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    bit confused. did ryan giggs win x-factor?

    i asked my cat notrodamus for clarification and he told me "there shall be a 20-way draw for the premiership title with everyone promoted and relegated and in the confusion, accrington stanley shall play holland-on-sea under-9s in FA Cup final" which to be fair wasnt what i'd asked.

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  • 156. At 5:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, Redtom wrote:

    I can't believe how many are surprised Giggsy won SPOTY..?
    All the other contenders or others that have won the award have done based on a 'One Year achievement' !!
    Giggs has done it ALL over twenty years, won the lot, so based on 'ACHIEVEMENTS'alone he should of won this at leat 10 times over his career.
    It goes to show what tunnel vision people have in their views.
    Most footballers are overlooked because of the way they lead their off-field lives, Giggs keeps himself to himself, does a tremendous amount for charity. I have met him and he is a 'TOP Personality', No getting away from that FACT.
    One person stated above somewhere that he was up against World Champions... Giggsy is a World Champion with Manchester United.
    Get a Life people, take off those misty glasses.. He thoroughly deserved this accolade, and the reception he received on the night echoed that FACT.
    Anyway.. He Won and thats what matters.
    Well Done to Ryan Giggs.

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  • 157. At 5:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, jonny on the ball wrote:

    What a fabulous advert to all inspiring sportsmen and women.

    Thank you Ryan Giggs, your a great role model !

    http://jonnyontheball.blogspot.com/2009/05/sports-heroes-best-role-models.html


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  • 158. At 5:39pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Blog - interesting tangent - does it ever rain in blogdignag land??

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  • 159. At 5:43pm on 14 Dec 2009, Redtom wrote:

    145. At 5:24pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:

    MUFC - you werent having a go at Jimbo coz Man U raised RG - you were having a go coz his team didnt raise a simlar one of their own - and if they did then Manu would come along and buy him (or her??? takes quizacle look at oneself) e.g. actually the list is too long to mention

    More seriously, why is it the Man U arent producing from within to the same level as they did - or am I misinformed???

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    I think you will find yourself misinformed..!

    There are still players coming through the ranks and also players that are either loaned out or sold that just do not quite make the Top grade at OT..!
    Those that are transferred out could do a Great job for those in the Championship.. ;)

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  • 160. At 5:44pm on 14 Dec 2009, Joe wrote:

    I understand Ryan Giggs is an exceptional footballer and a good role model, unlike most, but I don't know what he did this past year to deserve SPOTY. There have been good performances, but nothing amazing. I didn't consider him the reason for Man Utd's successes (Ronaldo probably did more). The other candidates had done a lot more in their respective sports. Obviously football is the most popular sport, so I can only speculate that's why Giggs won it.

    Incidentally Robbo, I don't think Button's success was all down to the car. If that were true, every race would finish with a 1-2 for Brawn, 3-4 for Red Bull, 5-6 for McClaren etc.

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  • 161. At 5:44pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Tom - can we have a few....

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  • 162. At 5:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    RED TOM, i don't think anyone here would've complained had he won the Lifetime Achievement award, although i think it was nice it went to Seve. The point was, in 2009, Haye, Ennis, Cavendish, Idowu, Daley, Tweddle & Button could all argue to have made greater strides. If it was '94, no probs.
    It should be a combination of achievement, personality (goes a long way - just ask Usain) and impact on the public hearts & minds. Giggs has a head start in the latter as everybody is aware of football 24/7, but any event from a minority sport that breaks through into national consciousness is more award-worthy in my opinion.

    And Trini - Giants or Jets?

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  • 163. At 5:47pm on 14 Dec 2009, Buckers wrote:

    So being the footballer of the year counts for nothing. Add to that the fact that this year he has become the most successful club footballer ever and i can completely understand that some people feeling its only been an average to good year for him. Why can't some people accept that its just been an amazing year for British sport and that SPOTY is a celebration of that. You can't really compare a heptathlete to a boxer or and F1 driver anyway and whatever you think any one of the 10 nominees was definitely better than Zara Phillips.

    Oh and who was it that thought Andy Murray didn't deserve to be on the list. Wimbledon semi, 2nd in the world and won Queens amongst many other tournaments. Guess becoming the best British tennis player since Fred Perry counts for nothing.

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  • 164. At 5:47pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    156. At 5:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, Red-Tom wrote:
    If you dont notice on Robbo's blogs, just about everyone tries to slate Man U. The only gracious anti Man U person I have seen today is Robbo himself and he recognizes a true professional, no matter how much he may dislike the club and manager :)

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  • 165. At 5:48pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    MOjo mate,
    you're spot on with your "false war" statement, as way back as I can remember, and I was at Anfield in 89, there has never been a real animosity between our two great clubs.
    The reason for our/my gloat has more to do with all the other results over the weekend and not so much the result against L'pool, which any honest Arsenal fan would admit could of went either way.

    Eggs, I was singing while I was typing it, it will probably be in my head all night.

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  • 166. At 5:51pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    162. At 5:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, themightymojo wrote:
    Giants- but honestly I dont follow American football. Not as interesting as football. But when you at the gym or bar, thats what all they show on the tube, unless I find an irish pub :)

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  • 167. At 5:52pm on 14 Dec 2009, beneficiary wrote:

    Enough of Giggs worthy of lifetime achievements. The only award he deserved was for playing so long for a grumpy old red nose.

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  • 168. At 5:57pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Mojo - Raging? More like selling the Machine. I love to see a band thar used to have a message (quite an annoying one) come back for the money.

    Also, re United, i actually always quite liked Cantona, mad as he was. Thought we looked poor in the second half, and Arsenal didn't have to work that hard. Also noticed Aquilani spectacularly failing to chase back and pressurise the ball. Worrisome.

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  • 169. At 5:57pm on 14 Dec 2009, Redtom wrote:

    161. At 5:44pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:

    Tom - can we have a few....
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    John O'Shea..Jonny Evans..Darren Fletcher..Darron Gibson..Corry Evans..David Gray..Craig Cathcart..Ron-Robert Zieler..Ben Amos..Danny Welbeck.. These are just of the first team squad that have come through the ranks.
    Others...Sam Hewson..James Chester..Matthew James..Joe Dudgeon..Oliver Gill..Cameron Stewart...Oliver Norwood..Conor Devlin..Reece Brown..Scott Moffatt..Scott Wootton...Robert Brady.. Are just more 'Quality' reserve and academy players !


    OK..;-)

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  • 170. At 5:58pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    164. At 5:47pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:
    156. At 5:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, Red-Tom wrote:
    If you dont notice on Robbo's blogs, just about everyone tries to slate Man U. The only gracious anti Man U person I have seen today is Robbo himself and he recognizes a true professional, no matter how much he may dislike the club and manager :)
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    I think you should go back and re-read the comments. Most posters agree that Giggs is a top bloke.
    The point is that the oTY in SPoTY stands for of The Year. I think that there were maybe others that desarved it more.
    Life time achievement award was definetly a more fitting prize.

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  • 171. At 5:59pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    149. At 5:31pm on 14 Dec 2009, Amanbro wrote:

    worth it, that rant.

    also agree re: womens cricket. if they get nominated i don't see how they can't win.

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  • 172. At 5:59pm on 14 Dec 2009, Magic_Arsenal_thefinalcountdown wrote:

    "I can't believe how many are surprised Giggsy won SPOTY..?
    All the other contenders or others that have won the award have done based on a 'One Year achievement' !!
    Giggs has done it ALL over twenty years, won the lot, so based on 'ACHIEVEMENTS'alone he should of won this at leat 10 times over his career.
    It goes to show what tunnel vision people have in their views.
    Most footballers are overlooked because of the way they lead their off-field lives, Giggs keeps himself to himself, does a tremendous amount for charity. I have met him and he is a 'TOP Personality', No getting away from that FACT.
    One person stated above somewhere that he was up against World Champions... Giggsy is a World Champion with Manchester United.
    Get a Life people, take off those misty glasses.. He thoroughly deserved this accolade, and the reception he received on the night echoed that FACT.
    Anyway.. He Won and thats what matters.
    Well Done to Ryan Giggs."

    i think the idea is the award is won on the years events, not the last 20. on your logic, he should win it for the next 10 years or until some one elses life time achievments add up to his.

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  • 173. At 5:59pm on 14 Dec 2009, socrates wrote:

    4. At 3:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, freddawlanen wrote:
    "Let's get this straight, all the numptie Utd fans who voted for Giggs made a mockery of SPOTY.

We had choices of Britains first ever gymnastics world champion, the youngest ever diving world champion, the heavyweight boxing world champion, someone who destroyed the field to become a multi-event athletics world champion, the fastest sprint cyclist in the world and the F1 winner.

...and the award goes to a very good footballer who's made quite a few good cameos in the last year, really, that just about sums it up."

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    It makes for good debate though, which is kind of the point. Personally I don't think Jenson would be a worthy winner because he only became champion when he got the right car, David Haye deserves to be world champion but there is a lack of competition in the heavyweight division at the moment and minority sports (i.e diving) are never going to win, especially a 15 year old who has reached the top after such a relatively short period.

    I believe Ryan Giggs is a worthy winner because, in my opinion, he played the BEST football of his long and illustrious career and was instrumental in United's success last season. I also think Sports Personality of the Year is about positive role models, and Giggs is exactly that. To play how he played last season is testament to his professionalism and if anything he seems to be getting better.

    Finally, your comment about 'numptie Utd fans'. Well firstly, it's hard to take anyone seriously who uses the word 'numptie' but secondly, from what I can gather on this blog, on the radio today and amongst my friends, the large majority of people think he was a worthy winner.

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  • 174. At 6:00pm on 14 Dec 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    My mum's been stateside for 15 years so i've been a fan of the game a while. Clearly not as good as football - the word soccer still sends a shiver down my spine - but i can think of worse ways to spend 3 hours.

    Thank the lord for Irish pubs. I should probably head over again, as we've won every Liverpool game i've ever watched from America (7!)

    Was watching a Doc about the 2007 superbowl winners earlier today, got a lot of respect for Eli manning.

    Buckers - totally agree that all were more worthy than ZP. And Murray has had a good year, no doubt, but he needs to nab that grand slam to win SPOTY in my book.

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  • 175. At 6:00pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Tim/Mojo.

    Is RATM making a comeback?

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  • 176. At 6:01pm on 14 Dec 2009, Redtom wrote:

    To: 162. At 5:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, themightymojo:

    Yes I know where your coming from but like I said Giggs should of won a lot more than the one last night if your basing 'On Achievements in the Year'...!! TREBLE YEAR...?.. DOUBLE YEAR...?
    Just because he plays for Manchester United I feel..!

    Such is Life at the Top.. Hey-Ho!! :-)

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  • 177. At 6:06pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    175. At 6:00pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    think its a fan xampaign, but they've been touring lod material at £150 a ticket

    sell out

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  • 178. At 6:06pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Tom just to clarify - I wasnt asking for a list - Iwas asking if we (boro ) could have a few :o)

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  • 179. At 6:08pm on 14 Dec 2009, Redtom wrote:

    178. At 6:06pm on 14 Dec 2009, followingborohurts wrote:

    Tom just to clarify - I wasnt asking for a list - Iwas asking if we (boro ) could have a few :o)

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    LOL... Sorry, misread..!
    There are quite a few who could do Boro a favour or two..!! ;-)

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  • 180. At 6:09pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    No prob Tom - just thinjgs getting a little desperate our (Boro) end ... :-)

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  • 181. At 6:11pm on 14 Dec 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    Its been a while since Ive posted here Robbo but I have to say that this is a disappointing blog on a subject that barely warrants commentary.

    The SPOTY is a pointless event which means very little and is a spectacular waste of time. Its initial intentions may well have been good but the whole thing now is just a sensationalised event that the BBC are determined to try and make a big deal. Next year they may aswell hire Simon Cowell to start evaluating each nominees performance. Ive no problem with recognising sports people for achievements but this should be done relatively low key and sincerely rather than trying to make it into some kind of X Factor competition. Soon they will having the entries live in a house and the public gets to vote one out at a time.

    Then there is your actual content on the matter which doesnt really add up. Saying that Button (or any F1 driver) doesnt deserve the award ue to the car being 90+% of the reason (which Id agree with) is like saying Giggs shouldnt get it because he playes for Man Utd as opposed to Hull.

    I couldnt even really be bothered about who wins it. I think in general most people nominated will generally be deserving of some kind of recognition but I just hate the over the top tabloid-esque treatment of it.

    In a weekend where there was plenty of good action its disappointing to see a blog dedicated to this but such is the BBC insistance on making this a huge deal that I wouldnt honestly be surprised if the requested you write one on it.

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  • 182. At 6:11pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    SAF for SPotY 2010!!!!

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  • 183. At 6:14pm on 14 Dec 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    Tim,

    I've had this debate with many a rage fan over the last 3 years. I believe that Tim, Brad & possibly Tom may have be financially motivated, but not Zack. It was because of his refusal to "quieten down" about politics why they were the only band not to be shown on TV during last year's Reading festival. And to think i bought a freeview box just to watch them!

    I'm aware they're on an imprint of Evil Sony records, but i counter that with the good causes they've forced Sony to support through their donations and their exposure of them.

    Their wiki page gives the stated reasons for reforming, which while convenient are as believable as the idea that they have become skint, or even worse greedy.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_Against_the_Machine#Reunion_and_Tours_.282007.E2.80.93present.
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    I do like Cantona a bit, but can't really forgive him for '96. That new film he's in is ace though. Especially the bits in the pub between new & old school united fans.

    Agree 100% about the Women's Cricket team - The men had a wonderful series, the women a peerless year. Strauss deserved a nomination for his leadership and performances, but i can vividly remember the Series in the West Indies when they did not look like Team of the year.

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  • 184. At 6:16pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Joe - seems harsh criticising him for his subject material. i reckon there is a tombola with a few in their (Rafa, Fergie, Rafa arguing with Fergie, Englands Worlds Cup) which he draws from. only this week there was an extra ball covered in glue.

    to clarify my post earlier, i can't type

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  • 185. At 6:18pm on 14 Dec 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    Re:89 - OldStafford, d'you wanna do my lottery numbers tomorrow?

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  • 186. At 6:20pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Tim/Mojo, Thanks for the info/link

    182 fbh, actually, if SAF had been nominated the year he had won the PL and CL, then I wouldn't begrudge hiom the award.

    JDR, some good points in there.

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  • 187. At 6:21pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    ...in their... err

    Mojo, it is a slightly personal issue for me, as i'm not exactly a fan. ZdlR has always annoyed me with his high-pitched yapping (is there any other kind?) over some otherwise very passable funk/rock/hip hop. And that's without the fact that he's telling me what to think.

    176. At 6:01pm on 14 Dec 2009, Red-Tom wrote:

    in fairness, it seems most of these players are rubbish, judging by the number of youthies brought in and the first team appearances. Gibson wouldn't have got in a Trafford United side with money available.

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  • 188. At 6:22pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    So should Ryan Giggs have done a John Sergeant? Stormed off, hairline retreating.

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  • 189. At 6:28pm on 14 Dec 2009, Crumbs wrote:

    Let's be clear. Golf is a pretty damn tedious game at the best of times. Hit tiny ball with silly stick into miniscule hole half a mile away. And take half the day doing it. It's like geriatric orienteering with mowed bits to show you where to go next.

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    Too true. Made me chuckle.

    Giggs has been a phenomenal role-model and a superb asset to Manchester United in the last few seasons despite his age. To be fair he's been on the tip of everyones tongue in the footballing world recently and I think he's done himself very proud to have won this award. I don't think it's as out of place as it's being made out to be.

    How did the womens cricket team not win? They won everything! That is basically saying that womens cricket isn't on the same par as mens cricket in terms of recognition of competition wins. That's ridiculous and clearly sexist.

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  • 190. At 6:30pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    187. At 6:21pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    in fairness, it seems most of these players are rubbish, judging by the number of youthies brought in and the first team appearances. Gibson wouldn't have got in a Trafford United side with money available.

    Are you tryin to say that we cannot buy players? Surely rubbish. SAF himself spoke about this player with high regards and he has overseen the best players that graced the EPL within the past 2 decades

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  • 191. At 6:30pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    189. At 6:28pm on 14 Dec 2009, Crumbs wrote:
    Let's be clear. Golf is a pretty damn tedious game at the best of times. Hit tiny ball with silly stick into miniscule hole half a mile away. And take half the day doing it. It's like geriatric orienteering with mowed bits to show you where to go next.

    you get to boff waitresses, though

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  • 192. At 6:33pm on 14 Dec 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    Fair enough Tim. I do love them a lot - saw them at my first ever festival (Reading '00) and prefer to feel he's not telling me what to think, but to think. We'll leave that one there.

    Regarding the United academy, i think Evans & Fletcher are the only two of true mid 90's pedigree, without wanting to judge the rest too early. I wouldn't be suprised if Wellbeck & Gibson blossom late a la Fletcher, but then SAF is very good at taking the pressure of his players and giving them the best possible chance.

    Wish rafa would do the same. Mis-management of younger players is one constant from his reign (Warnock, Anderson, Hobbs, Leto, Guthrie, Hammill & Nemeth haven't had a chance, nor will Nemeth or Pacheco) . His only real successes have been Insua & Ngog, and both of those are still a bit short of being 1st teamers.

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  • 193. At 6:39pm on 14 Dec 2009, simonstaa wrote:

    Its funny how Giggs wins SPOTY this year and the picture in this blog is of him in 1999. Lifetime achievement award maybe not SPOTY

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  • 194. At 6:40pm on 14 Dec 2009, TopVillain wrote:

    I was pleased that Giggs pipped Button too. I've got nowt against Button particularly, it's just the difference between winning and losing at F1 level has nowt to do with the driver. He should be handing his award on to the Brawn double diffuser, I reckon. Lance Armstrong's autobiography was called 'It's Not About the Bike'. Jenson's is going to be called 'It IS about the car'.

    Button paid tribute to the team that got him his World Championship. And he'll be driving for McLaren next year. Maybe Giggs's unswerving loyalty got him a few more votes 'n' all.


    Robbo, you clearly know nothing about F1, or about Button's career. The fact he was with BAR/Honda/Brawn for 7 years shows his loyalty when he bought himself out of a Williams contract to stay. The only reason he left Brawn now is because they were stalling over a new contract. Stick to writing about football, when you do that, I enjoy your blogs.

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  • 195. At 6:41pm on 14 Dec 2009, thouston wrote:

    I wonder when if he had any idea prior to getting this meaningless Dog and Pony Show award because was shocking against Villa, should have been subbed long before halftime.

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  • 196. At 6:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Mojo/Tim, I have great respect that (most) L'pool fans don't do knee-jerk reactions, many "fans" of other teams would be calling for the managers head, I've even seen the planks on the Arsenal websites calling for AW's scalp every time there's a blip.
    But as Mojo just posted, RB's mismanagement of your traditionaly strong youth set up is a major blunder. Do you guys honestly believe that he has the skills to take your team forward?

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  • 197. At 6:58pm on 14 Dec 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    194. At 6:40pm on 14 Dec 2009, TopVillain wrote:
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    Plus would Giggs have been so "loyal" if he hadnt come up through Man Utd. Im not knocking the guy but somehow I dont see him being as "loyal" if he had come up through a smaller team. Loyalty isnt really a concept that fits in football. Its easy to be loyal when your on big money at the top club in the country for most of your career winning silverware nearly every season.

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  • 198. At 7:03pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    JDR, Loyalty in football = Matt Le Tissier

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  • 199. At 7:05pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    H2H - i don't know, but it worries me little in the grand scheme. we haven't produced anything much since Gerrard, but who has? even the arsenal kids are mainly foreign

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  • 200. At 7:06pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    JDR - true. Maybe loyal to Wal...never mind

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  • 201. At 7:08pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    i used to think fabregas would be a one-club player, but...

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  • 202. At 7:08pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    then he signed for arsenal

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  • 203. At 7:10pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    ....echo...

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  • 204. At 7:12pm on 14 Dec 2009, ScottyMuser wrote:

    To clarify a few things raised, plus to make a serious point myself:
    1) The shortlist was voted for by 26 leading British Newspapers and magazines - so NOTHING to do with the BBC for all those slating the bbc for Giggs' (or anyone elses intentions). Running up to the date when the newspapers had to hand in their votes, a leading Man-Utd supporting journalist from the Daily Telegraph ran a campaign to get giggs nominated by the other Papers - he received 11 nominations out of the 26 papers (so 2nd LOWEST of the competitors). So hardly thought to be the most promising candidate by most of the media - at the time, and certainly the majority of the papers didn't believe Giggs had had a good enough year to be in the top 10! A media campaign was then ran by the Utd fans to get as many Utd fans to vote for Giggs, as a tribute to his longevity, ignoring the fact that that was what a lifetime achievement should be about.
    2) The reason it is called the Sports Personality of the Year is NOT to indicate the winner should have a personality, its that other titles are silly/un-Pc:
    Sportsmen of the year is discriminatory to women, athlete of the year would be biased towards athletes in the minds of the voters, Sports Person just sounds stupid, etc.
    3) The award has in the past (not this year obviously!) been awarded to a sportsmen/women who has not only put in the best performances THAT YEAR, but has DOMINATED his WORLD of sport that year, neither of which Giggs did.

    Now, for whom I think should have been top 3 (only from the nominations, as unfortunately at least 1 of my choices weren't in the list):
    1 - Mark Cavendish. Greatest sprinter of his GENERATION - already won 10 TdF after 3 years as a pro-cyclist is CRAZY good. Winning SIX stages (most ever by a PURE sprinter EVER - Freddie Maertens was a TTer too don't forget); tThe fact he didn't win the Maillot Vert (partly due to a "stewards decision" which even thor said after was the wrong one) shouldn't count against him, and for those idiots who argue he didn't win the TdF obviously have less than ZERO knowledge of how sport works. Its like criticising Giggs for not winning the award for most clean sheets, or Strauss not taking 20+ wickets as a batsmen. He won the BIG one-day classic (MSR), and in total won 24 out of the 27 sprints he was able to compete in! Has any of the other competitors, across such a large number of events, got such a great strike rate? And this in a sport which has an event like the TdF, across 21 days of hard riding. Won pretty much every single "cyclist of the year" type award/vote worldwide, inc. major newspapers/cycling channels AND the UCI!
    2 - Jessica Ennis. Best in the world, after coming back from a career threatening injury! And setting the record for most points this year whilst doing it, being utterly dominant and setting 3/4 PBs out of the 7 events. Superb year.
    3 - Beth Tweddle - WC on a less favourite event after falling off the bars (her best event) because she was going for an overly difficult routine before the final. Stunning courage, and the British gold medalist in the sport, competing against the best in her field, all of whom were younger (which is a HUGE advantage in gymnastics).

    Giggs would, for me, been close to the top 10 on this list - and IMO shouldn't have been on this list as his performances this year have been pretty mediocre, and only won the PFA POTY due to them wanting to be charitable and award it to him before he retired (as they don't have a lifetime achievement award so couldn't give him that).
    others that should have been in/closer to the list than Giggs (andf for that matter maybe strauss/idowu/haye) - McCoy (14* champion jockey, 3000 winners), Phil Taylor (14 times WC, GOAT, won EVERY single title this year possible), Chrissie Wellington (unbeaten over the Iron Man distance in Triathlon, triple WC, won all events this year that were held over the distance, ridiculously difficult to complete let alone obliterate field - her times would have comfortably put her in the top 20 in the mens race every time - you can't say this in almost any other event (by which i mean athletics/swimming etc)), Alastair Brownlee (only 21, first year as a triathlete, won all FIVE events he entered, to become WC comprehensively, most successful rookie ever by such a long way), Bradley Wiggins - best ever finish by a Brit in the TdF, only a year after seriously taking up road cycling, after winning 2 golds on the track last year.

    For that matter, am not sure about Bolt for Overseas either - yes he obliterated his own 100m WR , which was simply mind boggling performance, but what does Valentino Rossi have to do to get the award?

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  • 205. At 7:14pm on 14 Dec 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    H2H, upon careful consideration....

    I have to say yes, with a but. I can't believe the same team can be so good one year and so bad the next, while losing only 2 players. I do still feel we will get better over the season, but where we end up is no longer in our own hands as we'll be reliant on slip ups from Spurs Villa AND Citeh.

    But there are too many echoes with the end of Houllier. The lack of confidence, the over reliance on certain players, the strange substitutions are all worrying. There must come a point when loyalty becomes fear of change, and that maybe the end of this season.

    But the fact remains, who could do his job better in the same situation? It's looking unlikely that someone will ride to the rescue with millions of pounds, so they'd have to work with what we have, and potentially stop a few people from following Rafa to Real.

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  • 206. At 7:16pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    199, Tim, there are indeed quite a few foriegn with a lot of talent, they're still youth. Although the tide is turning, there were 10 British players in the squad for the CL game last week. For Arsenal that's a very large number.

    Can't blame Fabregas, it's in his DNA.

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  • 207. At 7:16pm on 14 Dec 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    198. At 7:03pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
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    Yes Id agree there are some obvious exceptions but as a general rule footballers will always look to move onwards and upwards if given the opportunity and who can blame them? Similarly with managers who discard long serving players quickly when they become surplus to requirement. Its just the nature of the game so I find I take these loyalty issues with a pinch of salt.

    I just dont think you can expect players to stick ignore their careers and spurn opportunities to move up in wage and stature and similarly you cant expect clubs to stick by players who are clearly past their sell by date regardless of how many years of service.

    Obviously if you do an Ashley Cole or a Sol Campell and move to your arch rivals for an exra 5/10k a week you will get stick.

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  • 208. At 7:26pm on 14 Dec 2009, OliC wrote:

    How can everyone bemoan Ryan Giggs winning this years SPOTY!!! Firstly this award is given to the biggest sporting PERSONALITY of the year which RG has in abundance, to keep such a high standard when 36 years old winning the premier league, carling cup + reaching the champions league final shows commitment, talent and endless qualities to prove his personality.
    None of the other competitors, David Haye + Cav aside, seemed to have come close to RG's personality and modesty with Button and Murray offering very little apart from an unattractive arrogance!!
    A worthy winner to a quiet, modest and successful man.

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  • 209. At 7:28pm on 14 Dec 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    Right, i'm taking a break from talking about football - to watch some football. What says a Magiltonless QPR picks up a battling point @ the Hawthorns?

    Will Check in @ Full Time.

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  • 210. At 7:29pm on 14 Dec 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    208. At 7:26pm on 14 Dec 2009, OliC wrote:
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    You think Haye is modest? Hes by far the most arrogant and obnoxious of the lot of them.

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  • 211. At 7:33pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    204, Scotty, thanks for sharing your knowledge on the shortlist, I had vno idea how it worked.

    205 Cheers for your opinions Mojo, I personally think that given the same time frame and recources there are probably not many that could have faired better then RB, although I do think he has lost his way lately and that is plain to see that the players ättitudes and "spirits" are not what I would usually regard as "the L´pool way".

    206 JDR, indeed, it´s all about the money in every facet of the business world. Why should we expect football to be any different.

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  • 212. At 7:33pm on 14 Dec 2009, gordon wrote:

    sorry they would give an award to any scumchester players everyone is ccared to miss em out or fergie mite smile---they bget away with too much

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  • 213. At 7:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, NEARPOSTHEADER wrote:

    It seems that no matter what the subject of this blog, there'll always be argument about how well/terrible Liverpool are doing - can't we give that a rest for once?
    SPOTY - it'll always be dominated by people in popular sports or ones who receive plenty of publicity. After reading about Mark Cavendish's achievements, Giggs should DHL the award to him, but how many people are interested in watching cycling?
    I know he got an award, but I'd say that any sporting achievement this year was totally eclipsed by Eddie Izzard's superlative-stretching marathon of marathons. Perhaps strutting around the stage in high heels helped with the training.

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  • 214. At 7:40pm on 14 Dec 2009, OliC wrote:

    No im saying that only Haye and Cav have a personality to rival the positive traits Giggs has!!! Agreed the man was arrogant and he certainly isn't modest but he did it in an attractive and appealing way, similar to that Ali did! He also beat a man nearly twice the size of him.

    Should have been 1) Giggs 2) Haye 3) Cav

    If it was a sports person of the year Giggs would not have won but it is not, Giggs has the best personality of them all!

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  • 215. At 7:41pm on 14 Dec 2009, RedIsaac wrote:

    1. Congratulations to Ryan Giggs. He deserves the award.

    2. Last week, when some were making way too much of Gerrard's dive, I said that other England internationals such as Rooney and Joe Cole do it too. The moderators thought that my comments were offensive and were removed. After Rooney's latest outrageous dive, what do they have to say for themselves? Or will they remove this post too? I think an apology is in order here.

    3. Those who still think that only non-British players cheat are deluded.

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  • 216. At 7:51pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    213. At 7:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, NEARPOSTHEADER wrote:
    It seems that no matter what the subject of this blog, there'll always be argument about how well/terrible Liverpool are doing - can't we give that a rest for once?

    NPH - ive tried changing Liverpool to Middlesbrough but just doesnt get the same response from Man U Everton Arsenal etc supporters

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  • 217. At 7:52pm on 14 Dec 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Nice to be back, lovely blog, excellent result for Giggsy (to go with the sportsmanship, longevity and dedication awards that should fill his mantelpiece) but really.......far be it from me to read through 200 odd posts, so if anyone suggested it already I'm sorry for repeating you but next year, surely the word 'PERSONALITY' should be underlined and typed in bold (for all those that know the HTML trick) and Robbo should be nominated and seated on the front row! He's a sports personality right? And bags more of it than the usual stream of culprits that get wheeled out. If not Robbo, then RBA and Blogdignag should be there to receive the award in his absence!

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  • 218. At 7:56pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Hi Trott - think the general conclusion is Giggs is great but wrong award - and anyway the whole SPOTY thing is daft - may as well give it to the Royal Family every year as we love them and their talented children so much - and that Jessica lass is fit!!!

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  • 219. At 8:00pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    206. At 7:16pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    but the good players are foreign. only gibbs has been a first team player, and that was because of injuries. other than, its vela, song, clichy that i can think of. if i'm wrong, sorry

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  • 220. At 8:00pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Hey Trotter,
    Hope you enjoyed your golf in the sunshine state.
    Maybe you missed it, but Zoots is back. (check previous blog)
    I´m out for a bit.

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  • 221. At 8:02pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Tim, Wiltshere and Ramsey, but I get your point.

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  • 222. At 8:05pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    H2, and Arsenal are the best at it. Wasn't Ramsey a Cardiff player till he was 18?

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  • 223. At 8:11pm on 14 Dec 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    Same
    Pointless
    Overated
    Television
    Yearly

    I have to say I am rather surprised to read that so many seem to believe that this so called yawn fest and the resulting awards are actually voted for " by you the Public "

    I of course long since gave up watching such rubbish churned out by the BBC, whos only regonisable decent program scedule of any worth or entertainmet are those fronted in the main by Sir David Attenborough the rest is tacky and not worth the Licence fee I include that other yawnfest sport called Snooker, which like Golf is on par with Bowls.

    as for RG i recall a few weeks ago there was a campaign to get him knighted ( yawns again ) I suppose Lord Coe ( who is he and how did he become a Lord ) will now head the bidding committee i can see him now rushing around Harrods snapping up posh handbags in the xmas sales and giving them as gifts to the yes campaign.

    As for matters of huge significance.

    Well done Arsenal and Arsene at last shows he has a mean streak nice also to see that Rooney and Gerrard continue to set good examples of sportsmanship. MON troops of at OT wondering how did that happen and is it really over 20 years since AV beat man u at OT, no wonder he looked somewhat shellshocked and played down the event. mark hughes made a point of shaking everyones hand ( special close ups provided by the BBC )
    City then go on to astound everyone by drawing again. Bellamys Bunny got him rightly set off which left whinger Hughes unable to laugh.

    the chavs with all them 6' plus defenders get rolled over again Ancelloti to be transfered in the january window as you can see all them egos at chelsea requesting a meeting with RA bleating they dont get on with him and as a result he should be replaced and soon if they are to stand any chance of lifting the FA Cup.

    Good weekend of footy specially if you are a Gooner.

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  • 224. At 8:33pm on 14 Dec 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    H2 @ 220, was that another cunning stunt on your part to get me to read through 1,000 or so posts to track down the Zoot or is he really back?

    Anyway, I began the journey and discovered that Blog gave me back a limb so all is not lost. Florida was a blast, thanks. Bolton grabbed a point, oh how nice three would have been, I burst into a few lines of "didn't we almost have it all" and Rafa got a step closer to his chippy in Benidorm. "The rise with you was worth the fall" the scousers will sing, which indeed it was.

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  • 225. At 8:52pm on 14 Dec 2009, Tim Hawkins wrote:

    I love the what has Giggs ever done comment. Oh nothing really just the most decorated domestic footballer ever! Given the footballers who've played in the old english league or the Premier League that's saying something.

    Arguably he's as good as ever was and he's provided some magic moments such as that goal... yes Mr Giggs just what have you done?!?

    The ignorance of some people...

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  • 226. At 8:55pm on 14 Dec 2009, Coweslepe wrote:

    Good heavens! After four years I get the feeling you've finally listened to me: for the first time, the parentheses are all quite perfect! And as you use them so often, it's good to know that you won't get pounced upon every time you insert a bracket from now on.

    It's good to see you and most others here supporting Giggs. I got angry quite a while back when a whole host were muttering on about him not having any character. Again, spend a few minutes in this man's company when he's at ease, and you'll witness the most brilliant sense of humour imaginable. He's like you used to be, albeit without the similes.

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  • 227. At 9:00pm on 14 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Too many posts to read through... especially on such a boring topic so I skipped most.

    51. At 4:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    Eggsy - they all dive. Eduardo seems more cynical, from that incident, but lets not pretend there are players out there who are honest.
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    All I can say to you Captain is Frank Lampard.

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  • 228. At 9:02pm on 14 Dec 2009, collie21 wrote:

    Delighted for Giggs, he doesn't cheat. Can't believe Henry was Retained by Gillette when he cheated and Woods was dropped for cheating by the same company.

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  • 229. At 9:04pm on 14 Dec 2009, Chelsea_ladies82 wrote:

    (Incidentally, can we just allow players to whip their tops off when they bag a last minute equaliser? ........ it would bring in a whole load more fans to the women's game)

    Sexist and degrading remark to make on a site that supposedly attracts kids.

    Disgusted Robbo.
    Mark my words

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  • 230. At 9:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    I love the what has Giggs ever done comment. Oh nothing really just the most decorated domestic footballer ever! Given the footballers who've played in the old english league or the Premier League that's saying something
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    With the amount of awards that are around today, I am not surprised he has won more than players that played in the old English league.To my knowledge, they never had player of the week, of the month, of the year, with the curliest hair, with the biggest bank balance, with the cutest smile back in pre-PL days

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  • 231. At 9:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    surely the word 'PERSONALITY' should be underlined and typed in bold (for all those that know the HTML trick)
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    I'd explain it to you again Trot but the last time I did it, Whitley took exception so... sorry mate.

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  • 232. At 9:23pm on 14 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    If it was a sports person of the year Giggs would not have won but it is not, Giggs has the best personality of them all!
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    You have to feel sorry for the rest then. The man has less personality than a glass of spring water.

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  • 233. At 9:35pm on 14 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    It seems like it's my turn to be talking to myself... at least I'm used to it. I just wish they would stop sending men in white coats when I get caught doing it.

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  • 234. At 9:37pm on 14 Dec 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Evening all. Yes Trotter, Zoots is back having spent some time in India.

    Trust you are well Bo. In this instance the word personality does not mean what you would normally expect it to, it means simply man or woman. See 204 for a good and full explanation.

    Meanwhile the Reds continue to march onwards and upwards.

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  • 235. At 9:39pm on 14 Dec 2009, OliC wrote:

    And Jensen Button has personality in abundance then does he?? Just because Giggs doesn't seek the media spotlight like a lot of other show pony footballers he doesn't have a personality?!?!?!

    To gain the respect of the premier leagues players picking up awards that they voted for + regarged by SAF as one of MU's best ever players suggests Giggs has far more personality than "a glass of spring water" and deserves this award as well as many others.

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  • 236. At 9:47pm on 14 Dec 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    Bo:

    I read you loud and clear and have no fear the fact that you appear to be talking to yourself is only the 1st sign of madness, problems only occur if you answer yourself back, it is only then the men in white coats will show concern about your behaviour

    davidgilmourthe3rdwrote:
    " I read you loud and clear and have no fear the fact that you appear to be talking to yourself is only the 1st sign of madness, problems only occur if you answer yourelf back. "

    david you are spot on there mate I could not agree more

    you have visitors.

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  • 237. At 10:01pm on 14 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    229. At 9:04pm on 14 Dec 2009, Chelsea_ladies82 wrote:

    (Incidentally, can we just allow players to whip their tops off when they bag a last minute equaliser? ........ it would bring in a whole load more fans to the women's game)

    Sexist and degrading remark to make on a site that supposedly attracts kids.

    Disgusted Robbo.
    Mark my words
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    why is that sexist? im a lesbian and im tired of people like you seeking to limit my access to the sight of pert breasts emerging from football shirts. go back to the 1980s where you belong and take your disgust with you.
    actually, while youre there, can i ask a favour? can you get me a tamagotchi, cant find one anywhere in 2009.

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  • 238. At 10:01pm on 14 Dec 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    talking of lunatics etc.

    a group from a local asylum hired my local for thier xmas bash. Nice lads and lasses as well. they could eat and drink what ever they wanted and the deal was they would hand over Bottle Tops instead of cash to pay for the drinks and food afterwhich the head carer would settle up the bill at the end of the party etc.

    Come the hour of reckoning the bill was just a tad over £3000 the head carer then went to settle up the account when told the ammount he calmly
    looked at the Bar manager and said " have you got change for a dustbin lid "

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  • 239. At 10:01pm on 14 Dec 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    I can't believe so many Man Utd fans are coming on here saying the right person won SPotY. I think we all accept that Giggs is a good footballer but he has hardly set the world alight in the past 12 months. He hasn't even been the best player at his club in that period.
    If we accept that the SPotY award isn't about personality it's about performance then there were 8 of the top 10 who's performances put them above Giggs. The only one below him would be Andy Murray who was on the list based on the fact he reached number two in the world. Hardly a great achievement when he's being compared against others in the list who are world champions.

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  • 240. At 10:03pm on 14 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    .....regarged by SAF as one of MU's best ever players suggests
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    Who am I to argue with such an esteemed personality as fergie.

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    G'day to you preach... then if it simply means man or woman, then one cant argue with it... as Giggs is certainly a man or woman.
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    David my problem is I never know when I am answering myself

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  • 241. At 10:06pm on 14 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    can i ask a favour? can you get me a tamagotchi, cant find one anywhere in 2009.
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    G'day blog... come to Oz mate, we are about 20 years behind the times in a number of things... the tamagotchi is the latest big thing here.

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  • 242. At 10:09pm on 14 Dec 2009, Page_Moss_Kopite wrote:

    Giggs without doubt a legend and deserved the award within the rules of the nomination and voting process,
    But as football is the national game and as Man United have more supporters than fans of the other sports in which the other nominees participate the presentation rules are unfair,

    Sports Personality Of The Year should mean just that,Giggs did not have the most success in the last year out of the final nominees and should(just like Seve)have won a lifetime achievement award.

    Im 100% sure Giggs will be Knighted and rightly so,Im also sure he will have a lofty position in the game after he retires be it in club management or in an ambassadorial role,United as a club and United fans that have watched him throughout his marvellous career are extremely lucky to have found such a gem,


    Well done Ryan,

    Just my honest humble opinion.

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  • 243. At 10:10pm on 14 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Hardly a great achievement when he's being compared against others in the list who are world champions.
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    Obviously achievement in the PL is seen as greater than those performed on the world stage

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  • 244. At 10:11pm on 14 Dec 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    229 don't get your knickers in a twist, over here the lasses take off their shirts just as readily as the blokes! The sexist and degrading remark is yours. If a woman wants to whip her shirt off she has as much right as the blokes and the same punishment.

    Besides that, I disagree with Robbo, I think shirt removal should be allowed for winners in injury time also and any goal for a heavy underdog away from home.

    However, if any player for the home team top 6 favourite scores against a bottom half team and gives any hint that he or she might be about to pull off his or her shirt at any time then it should be an automatic red card and a five match ban if he or she slides towards the edge of the pitch and scars the turf. Doubled if he does this anywhere near the 37 away supporters that made the trip (only of course after the video ref has confirmed the offence and double checked the head count).

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  • 245. At 10:12pm on 14 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Im 100% sure Giggs will be Knighted and rightly so
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    .WHY

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  • 246. At 10:14pm on 14 Dec 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    They might as well give the award to my old P.E. teacher. He's been loyal to the school for the last 20 years despite offers to move to other schools and is also coming up to retirement. He might not have been the best P.E. teacher in the last year but he's had a good career and has done some pretty good teaching in that time.

    Vote for Mr Wilton for the 2010 SPotY

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  • 247. At 10:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, Page_Moss_Kopite wrote:

    Simply that compared to gongs given to the likes of Trevor Brooking Giggs actually deserves one,
    Hope that answers your question.

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  • 248. At 10:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    How many students and parents associated with the school Col... probably not enough to counter the Un**ed fans.

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  • 249. At 10:23pm on 14 Dec 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    First I've got to find a way to get him onto the shortlist of 10. Then I'll worry about getting him enough support to win it.

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  • 250. At 10:24pm on 14 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Simply that compared to gongs given to the likes of Trevor Brooking Giggs actually deserves one,
    Hope that answers your question.
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    If the answer was in reference to my question WHY... then no... just because someone didn't deserve to get a knighthood, doesn't make it right to give it to someone else who doesn't deserve one just because you feel he is more deserving.

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  • 251. At 10:27pm on 14 Dec 2009, Page_Moss_Kopite wrote:

    I support Liverpool and hate Man Utd with a vengence and gave my honest opinion,
    And just because you feel he doesnt deserve a knighthood doesnt mean i have to agree,

    OK.

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  • 252. At 10:28pm on 14 Dec 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Exactly Bo. I demand a Knighthood for Mr Wilton as well

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  • 253. At 10:29pm on 14 Dec 2009, sabre86 wrote:

    Surprised Robbo that you didn't mention Major Phil Packer or Doreen Adcock...they got the two most important awards of the night. Not prestegious...important. Major Packer has lost the use of his legs and yet is defying all medical knowledge by walking the London Marathon, he's rowed across the English Channel and climbed a 3,000ft mountain. Doreen Adcock get's young kids into swimming..we all have to start somewhere and without the coaches at the bottom of the pile how do people get to the top?


    As for Giggsy getting the main award...well ok he's been a damn good footballer for years now, but nothing he has done in the past year means that he should get the SPOTY award. Ok, so he got the PFA award but that was more of a lifetime award than a real player of the year award. Simple fact...he was always going have a much better chance of winning SPOTY than the other contenders beacuse he plays football. My vote was for Straussy and I think that the England Ladies Cricket team should have got the team of the year award. However...we can't change whats gone. Let's hope that next year is a little more fair...fat chance with the world cup coming up.

    Last word should go to Major Packer in my opinion. Yes he's been mentioned once...but in my opinion the guy is nothing short of the country's living hero and a national treasure.

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  • 254. At 10:33pm on 14 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    I support Liverpool and hate Man Utd with a vengence and gave my honest opinion,
    And just because you feel he doesnt deserve a knighthood doesnt mean i have to agree,

    OK.
    ==============================

    I wasn't asking you to agree with me, seeing as I didn't put anything forward for you to agree with... I asked why you thought Giggs should automatically get a knighthood.

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  • 255. At 10:33pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Trotter, I kid you not, he´s back, and as Preach has postedhas just returned from India..

    228, Could Robbo be in trouble with the pc brigade?

    Mark her words?

    Why does she want to have them graded?

    O.K, I´ll give you a single D minus. Not a double D plus, cause that may be seen as sexist.

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  • 256. At 10:35pm on 14 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    As much as I would love to discuss this whole knighthood bs, I have to go earn a crust.. catch you all later.

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  • 257. At 10:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    249. At 10:23pm on 14 Dec 2009, ColchesterFC wrote:
    First I've got to find a way to get him onto the shortlist of 10
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    Shortlist of 10 sounds like the Arsenal´s teamsheet (without the keeper)

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  • 258. At 10:38pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Re 255: Now H2H, you are being condescending to her.

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  • 259. At 10:39pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    And Good Evening to All

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  • 260. At 10:40pm on 14 Dec 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Spit's got a point. We don't get very many girls on Robbo's blog (as far as i'm aware), don't go scaring them off H2H. Give her a C- at least for the effort.

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  • 261. At 10:43pm on 14 Dec 2009, Badgie wrote:

    captainlazytim.

    i saw your first comment on how button should've won over giggs by saying he beat the red bulls and barrichello who were consistently faster than him. he only beat them because he had the best car to start with allowing him to build up a sufficient lead before bottling it, EVERYONE knows that with a better car to start hamilton would've walked it and he showed how much better he is than button in the second half of the season. button never ever deserved to win it (SPOTY), maybe with the crappy honda car under him but not under last seasons circumstances. Giggs probably shouldnt have got it maybe straussy shouldve got it for beating the aussies with the underachievers he had at his disposal. never david haye hate the guy, but never jenson sorry mate

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  • 262. At 10:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    Hello Bo. If oz is 20 years behind, is giggs still a top player down there?

    hes good for his age, he managed to mumble his way through a couple of platitudes (which it seems makes him Manchesters Oscar Wilde according to some posters here) but none of that changes the fact that he should be hanged from a lampost for playing for wales when he could have filled that troublesome left wing spot for england.

    knighthood? i want to see him torn apart by angry 1980s feminists

    and even he says hes boring http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/manchester_united/622803/Ryan-Giggs-reveals-secret-of-his-success.html

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  • 263. At 10:48pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    258, Spit, not me, I´m all for equal rights.
    As Lord Flasheart once said when talking about the suffragette movement:
    "Hey! Any girl who wants to chain herself to *my* railings and suffer a jet movement gets *my* vote!"

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  • 264. At 10:48pm on 14 Dec 2009, Badgie wrote:

    and robbo, love the jessicca ennis comment lol, not voting with your mind! genius

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  • 265. At 10:50pm on 14 Dec 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    262. At 10:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:
    knighthood? i want to see him torn apart by angry 1980s feminists
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    I think Robbo's first in line for that treatment especially if Chelsea_Ladies82 gets her way (post 229)

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  • 266. At 11:01pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    I have a strict policy of treating women either with respect or with equality.

    They choose.

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  • 267. At 11:02pm on 14 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 268. At 11:05pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    267, That gives a whole new meaning to the words phone sex Bloggy

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  • 269. At 11:06pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    267: well it stayed up a whole 2 minutes.

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  • 270. At 11:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, Zebedee wrote:

    Time for bed....

    Giggs has no personality - end of. Should have been ineligible.

    @228 - are you saying Gillette are using a double edged sword when it comes to sponsorship decisions?

    Bo - I thought this place was only that far behind in the fashion stakes - red-checked flannelette and blue wifebeater (vest for those not in the know), it's the best look ever! I guess we must have the internet?

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  • 271. At 11:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Evening Spitfire, but having chosen can they not earn or deserve the other as well?

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  • 272. At 11:07pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    267 Didn´t last long did it.

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  • 273. At 11:11pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Blog do u live on a farm?

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  • 274. At 11:12pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    The ones I treat equally, are mostly in the business environment where they have the right to be treated equally. No preferential treatment expected whatsoever.

    However, the ones I respect, I treat them better than I would any man, including myself.

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  • 275. At 11:13pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    And good evening to you Preach.

    Hope you are in better spirit

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  • 276. At 11:13pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Oh dear the fact that there are several posts between Blogs " I voted with my ..." and my "do you live on a farm completely undermines the humour behind my post

    Please go from 267 straight to 273

    bUT AS YOU AREREADING THIS beyond 273 my last request is superfluous and just daft

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  • 277. At 11:14pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    And even worse 267 has been modded - arrghh!!!

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  • 278. At 11:16pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Hi Preach - noticed you been quiet - been worrioed about ya - hope you ok mate

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  • 279. At 11:16pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Dont wory fbh, those of us unfortunate enough to have witnessed blog's 267 are few. And all a bit peeved.

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  • 280. At 11:16pm on 14 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    goodnight, zeb, nothing personal. knackered.

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  • 281. At 11:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, Zebedee wrote:

    The life of a personailty indeed - "These days I go home, put my feet up and sit on the settee watching TV or DVDs. My life is boring, boring, boring but it's what I have to do to stay fit".

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  • 282. At 11:19pm on 14 Dec 2009, Zebedee wrote:

    Can't type either!

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  • 283. At 11:21pm on 14 Dec 2009, Zebedee wrote:

    That's alright blog, I'm used to it by now.

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  • 284. At 11:21pm on 14 Dec 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Thank you Spitfire I am indeed and your 274 does my heart good. Its a great shame there aren't many more with a similar attitude.

    Never mind FBH we've all got crystal balls on this blog. I can't keep up either.Do you realise the boro are only 3 points away from a play off position, so all is not lost yet.

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  • 285. At 11:22pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Zeebedee - I do that - why didnt I win??? Or Colch's ex pe teacher ("Colch, how many fingers have I got up? Dunno cant feel a thing!!!")

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  • 286. At 11:25pm on 14 Dec 2009, Zebedee wrote:

    I cannot believe this blog has reached nearly 300 posts (most of which appear to be on topic) talking about someone without the prerequisites for an award he has won.

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  • 287. At 11:25pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Preach - and hopefully we will get them 3 points at St Jokers Park on sunday - and as Im not taking my 8 yr old princess and her friends to see mamma mia I may actually get to see some footy

    Robbo - I played five a side at Conyers School tonigth - they put a new floor in - have a word will ya its a death trap - hang on isnt that a song by the Boomtown rats - showing my age now

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  • 288. At 11:27pm on 14 Dec 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    109. At 4:57pm on 14 Dec 2009, Nick_Hove_Actually wrote:
    Giggs actually being nominated was a complete joke along with Andy Murray. There are just as many if not more World Champions playing lesser sports that should have been in there.

    I'm with you Robbo even though I wasn't as sad as you. I would have voted for Ennis just because of her looks but I not sad enough to vote as I'm sure it's all rigged anyway.

    I actually think Cavendish should have won.

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    Nick. Cavendish should've won? But he didn't get enough votes. And you, who think he should've won, would've voted for Jessica Ennis. Contradictory lad, aren't you.

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  • 289. At 11:30pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Completely off topic, but also completely in spirit of this blog, whats the opinion of all you wise men here?

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6956044.ece

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  • 290. At 11:31pm on 14 Dec 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    253. At 10:29pm on 14 Dec 2009, sabretooth86 wrote:
    Surprised Robbo that you didn't mention Major Phil Packer or Doreen Adcock...they got the two most important awards of the night. Not prestegious...important. Major Packer has lost the use of his legs and yet is defying all medical knowledge by walking the London Marathon, he's rowed across the English Channel and climbed a 3,000ft mountain. Doreen Adcock get's young kids into swimming..we all have to start somewhere and without the coaches at the bottom of the pile how do people get to the top?


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    Quite right, son. Doreen's speech was a little beauty n all. Warm and genuine. And Major Packer was miraculous. Them people who somehow turn their own adversity into a strength that lifts up other less fortunate souls along the way are deserving of the highest praise and I should've given it.

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  • 291. At 11:34pm on 14 Dec 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 292. At 11:36pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Zebedee - think you spoke too soon re mostly on topic , and I plead guilty as much as anyone
    Spit - them burglars need protecting. I hope the Burglar Manager had done a Risk Assessment.Had the Burglars been on a course? Glass-cutting for Beginners is ok but wont get you into the shops where the real money is. Sounds like their Customer Service need a refresher ... or maybe a team building day out for the lads. PAintballing anyone????

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  • 293. At 11:37pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    That scum had 50 convictions. 50 . 50

    50

    50


    How do you remain free after that is beyond me.

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  • 294. At 11:39pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Robbo - u got the name of the song - I remember going to school on a monday (Bertram Ramsey now Brackenhoe - apols to none Teesside Bloggers) saying I had "got" the Sex Pistols at the weekend or I had "got" OMD or Sham 69 or SLF when all I had really done was tape it off Radio 1!!!!

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  • 295. At 11:40pm on 14 Dec 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    There's no point in arguing that Giggs shouldn't have won cos he hasn't got a personality! I mean which of the cnadidates was a riveting interviewee I ask you? And when are they anyway? I mean I'd take the word Personality out of it altogether. Just say person and we'd stop going on about the fact that the only thing these people can talk about is the thing they do for a living.

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  • 296. At 11:43pm on 14 Dec 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    #294
    Yep. Remember it well, only you'd have to work really bloody hard to avoid the voice of some numpty like Mike Read or DLT from talking all over the track as it faded out.

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  • 297. At 11:43pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    295. Exactly.

    Plus introduce a 'fair play' category to honour a team or player for some character on the playing field.

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  • 298. At 11:43pm on 14 Dec 2009, Zebedee wrote:

    289 - If they done it trying to get them out of the house - fair enough - but chasing the guy down the street and then beating the crape out of him - that's too far.

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  • 299. At 11:44pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Robbo - We were mulling over its name earlier - U solved the prob in one quick post - Sports Person of the Year: Personality Not Required!!!

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  • 300. At 11:45pm on 14 Dec 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    From the transfer gossip page:

    'Blackburn winger Morten Gamst Pedersen has his heart set on a January move to Scottish Premier League side Celtic as he is desperate to play in the Champions League.'

    Sad deluded Norwegian fool.
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  • 301. At 11:46pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    298: I dont what I would do if someone was
    a) in my house
    b) tied my wife and kids
    c) threatened us with knives

    Guess the Americans are right on some thing.

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  • 302. At 11:46pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    295, Robbo, if you´re gonna take out the word "personality", than you might as well take out "of the year" too, because that made no sense when you take into consideration who won.

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  • 303. At 11:48pm on 14 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Spit - you got modded - couldnt see why
    Anyway back to footy - Come on Boro and beat the skunks on Sunday - night everyone!!!

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  • 304. At 11:49pm on 14 Dec 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    H2H

    Well you have to have some sort out of timeframe. Perhaps they should've called the award 'Nicest Sportsperson knocking about at the moment who's wona lot of stuff'. That kind of rules out the rest of them.

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  • 305. At 11:50pm on 14 Dec 2009, Zebedee wrote:

    SLF now there's a band still got one of their live at somewhere or other albums - great stuff.

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  • 306. At 11:52pm on 14 Dec 2009, oldstafford wrote:

    304 Robbo they should have just called it the Ryan Giggs award and then there would have been no arguments.

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  • 307. At 11:53pm on 14 Dec 2009, Zebedee wrote:

    Hanx - that's it!

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  • 308. At 11:56pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    304, Robbo, a much more acurate name for the award, although NSKAATMWWLOS09 doesn´t have the same ring to it as SPoTY09

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  • 309. At 00:00am on 15 Dec 2009, oldstafford wrote:

    H2H you cant put 09 on the end because Giggs hasn't done anything in 09 but I see where you're coming from...

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  • 310. At 00:00am on 15 Dec 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Perhaps we could name it "Sports Performer of the Year", which I think better reflects what the BBC are looking for.

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  • 311. At 00:00am on 15 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    H2H - you fell for Robbo's illiteracy NSKAATMWWLOS09 is not a word.
    Anyway it should be
    NSKAATMWWALOS09
    - notice the extra "A" - wona is not a word - even in Middlesbrough
    Night :-)

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  • 312. At 00:02am on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Since when is wona not a word?

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  • 313. At 00:02am on 15 Dec 2009, oldstafford wrote:

    Perhaps we should just call it 'The Beebs Christmas do'.

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  • 314. At 00:06am on 15 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Ok H2H - you win
    Up the Gooners and all reputable footy clubs - which of course rules out the bar codes..

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  • 315. At 00:07am on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    How much do they charge to call in your vote? Is it one of those expensive numbers, and where does that money go to?

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  • 316. At 00:15am on 15 Dec 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Spit, it has to be everyone's worst nightmare if only because you don't know how you would react. I certainly don't. I accept there has to be a limit on what can be allowed but where do you draw the line? How on earth do you decide what is reasonable defence of home and family? I don't know and what I find frightening is the fact that the law doesn't seem to know either.
    I certainly feel like saying let the burglar beware but the possible consequences of even that remain frightening.
    The more I think about this one the more I think that the early hours of the morning is not perhaps the best of times to be discussing such weighty matters.

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  • 317. At 00:16am on 15 Dec 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    312. At 00:02am on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    Since when is wona not a word?

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    since when is being picky about a post sent after midnight been allowed?

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  • 318. At 00:21am on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    317. At 00:16am on 15 Dec 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:
    312. At 00:02am on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    Since when is wona not a word?

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    since when is being picky about a post sent after midnight been allowed?
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    In my defence, it was also past midnight where I am (NL) when the wona word was first posted. So that makes us evens.

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  • 319. At 00:22am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    The Pet Shop Boys and Simon Cowell get all the money off all the phone votes and Darth Pulis destroys anyone who tres to prevent it

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  • 320. At 00:22am on 15 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Preach, I understand we should not take law in our own hand but can some one explain me, if the armed burglar was walking around freely after 50 convictions, in whose hand is the Law?

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  • 321. At 00:25am on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    319, Adam, as long as it´s distributed fairly, then I have no problem with it..

    Darth P made me say that.

    320, Spit, obviously the wrong hands.

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  • 322. At 00:27am on 15 Dec 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Got news for you folks, wona is a word and is listed in Wiktionary as an absolute pronoun.

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  • 323. At 00:38am on 15 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Anyway, to lift some gloom, and right in the Christmas spirit, here is some stuff from the little genius

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt0KQbbPAOM

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  • 324. At 00:49am on 15 Dec 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Spit, there are wiser heads than me on this blog so I'll leave law and justice to them for the time being. Enjoyed your last post thanks.
    And, I'll wish you all goodnight.

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  • 325. At 01:58am on 15 Dec 2009, Karl wrote:

    I've seen less bigotted opinions coming from a BNP rally!

    Look, I'm an Everton fan. My blue Merseyside connections mean that if you play in red, and/or come from Manchester then I don't have the greatest like for you...But the one exception to that is Ryan Giggs.

    This is a young man who didn't have the best upbringing (and doesn't hark on about it like some last-gasp desperate middle-aged X Factor hopeful) he came from humble beginings to be probably one of the most understated, professional and talented footballers this country has ever seen.

    Let's be honest, SPoTY lost all its integrity when Zara Phillips won. I'd rather see a working class boy-come-good win. He used football as an escape from the banality of nine-to-five, and shows young people that hard work and ambition will get you anywhere. Phillips showed that when you have money you have lots of time to waste messing around with horses.

    So maybe he was the popular vote, and maybe he had a voting advantage but, as football fans, in a football forum, who are fed up with all that is irritating and cynical in our game, should we not be proud to have a true role model of the sport recieving an award?

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  • 326. At 02:06am on 15 Dec 2009, TwoWardrobes wrote:

    Crikey ladies, get a grip. This award is to sport what Eurovision is to music, don't get your knickers in a twist.

    Giggs is as good a winner as there's been. As Robbo said, Zara Phillips won it one year. I seem to remember Damon Hill winning it too. Yet Giggs winning it makes a mockery of the competition? As far as footballers go, Michael Owen won it, didn't he? What has he actually won?

    Or is it, perhaps, the fact that Giggs is Welsh?

    I'm the first to point this out but the English really don't like the Scots, Irish or Welsh winning any 'British' titles. If a half-decent player playing for a half-decent national team (ie - England) does a half-decent job in a tournament then they're a shoe-in for one of these awards. The Ashes, for example, are a joke. Why is that even mentioned in the same breath as some other achievements. It's daft.

    It's not about personalities ... if it was Alex Higgins would have one. It's not about sport ... if it was then Gregg Rudsedski wouldn't. It's a popularity contest and Giggs is a popular sportsman.

    Anyways, rant over. Congratulations to Giggsy, he's a top pro and it's great to see a guy older than me playing the best football of his life ... my Saturday League team are still to get the best out of me!

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  • 327. At 05:31am on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    I have said all I am gona (someone said it was a word) say on the Giggs matter except this. What difference does it make what upbringing the lad had... how does that make him a better sports person?

    The guy just before (If I ever get this post finished he's (hopefully it's a he) will still be just before) says "It's not about personalities ..." , obviously , Giggs wouldn't have got a look in would he. "It's not about sport ...", If he stopped his whinging at every refereeing decision given, he might have stood a chance. "It's a popularity contest and Giggs is a popular sportsman.", that's it then... it's a popularity contest... not sure if it is Giggs that is so popular or the the team he plays for... I am sure had Scholes or Ferdinand been nominated they would most likely have won popularity contest too. Un**ed fans like to win everything, even SPotY,

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  • 328. At 05:37am on 15 Dec 2009, matt wrote:

    Shockingly uninformed blog that. Really really poor Robbo, please stick to sports that you can at least pretend to know about. Sports personality is way to general for you. You clearly understand nothing about F1 for example.

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  • 329. At 05:38am on 15 Dec 2009, matt wrote:

    How the heck can someone be well paid to write such drivel?

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  • 330. At 06:48am on 15 Dec 2009, FLETCH_DUBAI wrote:

    "I can't remember Giggs ever getting himself in the papers for owt other than his football."

    Really Robbo? A brief Google throws up the article from The Sunday Mirror where Giggs allegedly punched his then girlfriend Davina Murphy:

    "Onlookers told how they could only watch in horror as he punched her in the face and stomach, sending her sprawling.
    "Giggs, who had been drinking with friends, was ushered away by bouncers. But Davinia decided not to press charges."

    Given that Giggs didn't sue, it a fair bet this is exactly what happened. Hardly the angel you make him out to be.





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  • 331. At 07:44am on 15 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Matt - you could have said 328 and 329 in one post :-)

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  • 332. At 08:18am on 15 Dec 2009, hex0n wrote:

    Boo hoo.
    The nasty man from Manchester United won a subjective award voted for by the great British public.

    I'm going to boycott the BBC la.

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  • 333. At 08:37am on 15 Dec 2009, benedictpsamuel wrote:

    Knight him now!!!! He s won all there is to win in English football and more than twice over - Button, Strauss, no one compares!

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  • 334. At 08:59am on 15 Dec 2009, Kennys Fluffy Fringe wrote:

    "Golf is a pretty damn tedious game at the best of times. Hit tiny ball with silly stick into miniscule hole half a mile away. And take half the day doing it. It's like geriatric orienteering with mowed bits to show you where to go next."
    HAHAHAHAHA very funny robbo

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  • 335. At 09:02am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    289. At 11:30pm on 14 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:
    Completely off topic, but also completely in spirit of this blog, whats the opinion of all you wise men here?

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6956044.ece
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    As he was on teh street he should have just apprehended him and waited for the police. If he was still in teh house then that is another matter.

    I'm not sure what it is like in the USA but I've heard if someone breaks in as long as you shoot them while they are still in the house it is self defence but as soon as they leave your front door it becomes 3rd degree murder or manslaughter

    The guy who broke in still deserved everything he got though regardless of where it was done

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  • 336. At 09:03am on 15 Dec 2009, Andrew wrote:

    Whilst I agree the lifetime acheivement award might have been more fitting, Giggs is the most decorated footballer in British history, 11 league winners medals is something that will never be repeated so he could therefore be labelled the greatest British player of all time.

    Give him the lifetime acheivement award next year (might be the only trophy he wins in 2010) and don't deny the fella his rightful place as one of the games greatest ever players.

    And no I'm not a Man Utd fan, I'd have perconally voted for Jessica Ennis but that's purely because good golly I so would (and she's from my home town of Sheffield)

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  • 337. At 09:34am on 15 Dec 2009, lee fett wrote:

    If we're talking about personality surely the guy who finished last Idowu should have won it. And if we're talking actual achievements over the year then my personal choice was Cavendish. I'm not a big cycling fan but I know that what he did during the Tour de France was pretty remarkable and the people who know a lot more than me seem to think he's the best sprinter in the world. Everyone who was up had a great year last year and there were plenty of people who'd achieved sporting excellence, I just think Giggs wasn't one of them but I didn't vote so I can hardly whinge now about it. As you've said Robbo there were 2 Lifetime Achievement awards this year.

    Oh and as a footnote yes how did the English Women's cricket team not win team of the year. The men won the Ashes but so did the women along with every other thing going! Most ridiculous decision of the night that one. I love SPOTY and i'll always watch it but I was disappointed with that one. I mean what more could the women have done to win it? The men still had plenty of failures throughout the year. Anyway, gripe over, good show beeb and looking forward to next year's already.

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  • 338. At 09:42am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Anyone know whether or not Lawro does midweek predictions as would love to see hell freeze over

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  • 339. At 09:43am on 15 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    giggs - im not going to pretend to generate any more fake opinions on a subject i dont care about.
    332 - so you're implying noone (plays for exeter) is entitled to an opinion (however fake) except you?

    given the volume of posts on the subject of ennis (elvis' brother? elvis the pelvis, enis the...) i think we should have an award for the aesthetically fittest sportswoman. feministas will concur as it would encourage more attractive english ladies to achieve something themselves instead of latching onto a dimwit footballer. the world champs would of course be the brazilian synchronised swimming team esp bia and branca feres (oh god)

    its actually not easy to find attractive english female sportsmen (yes that is a joke) on the web. most of them look like they got into sport because they couldnt get a boyfriend, although im sure that isnt true, Mrs Mod. strangely googling "best looking english sportswoman" retrieves a book on pigsticking... by 1889 it had replaced bearhunting as the indian national sport it seems; quite an interesting little read :

    "In laying before the reader the following
    notes on the " premier sport of India " I must begin
    by asking the attention of elders in authority in India to
    the fact that "pigsticking" is not the mere waste of time
    that many of them appear to deem it to be ; and of
    those of the younger generation to the fact that under
    the veil of so unattractive a name lies a wealth of sport..."

    ah the youth of today.

    spit - enjoyed arshavin's ground-header, i thought hed tripped up at first.

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  • 340. At 09:50am on 15 Dec 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    328. At 05:37am on 15 Dec 2009, matt wrote:
    Shockingly uninformed blog that. Really really poor Robbo, please stick to sports that you can at least pretend to know about. Sports personality is way to general for you. You clearly understand nothing about F1 for example.

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    329. At 05:38am on 15 Dec 2009, matt wrote:
    How the heck can someone be well paid to write such drivel?

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Well paid?!
    Paid?!!
    This is the typical petrol-head response to the accusation that F1 is a battle of technology rather than anything else. You're right - I don't know much about F1. But I do know that most of the overtaking takes place due to the team strategy regarding when to pit the car. Which is tedious. I do know that you simply cannot beat your opponents if you're in a substandard vehicle, regardless of your supposed talent. Usain Bolt has legs to get him a 100 metres and not 12 trillion pounds worth of technology.
    Anyway given a choice between F1 and Robot Wars, I'd go for the latter every time.

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  • 341. At 09:50am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    I think something involving French ladies would be best - Do they have a handball or rowing team synchronised powerful strokes encouraged by a cox would definitely win my vote

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  • 342. At 09:51am on 15 Dec 2009, Dave wrote:

    Never mind Giggs winning the SPOTY award, why didn't United win team of the year. English Champs,World champs, League Cup winners, and as runners up in the CL a decent claim to be the 2nd best team in Europe....but instead the Cricket team win because they won a few games against the Aussies...what does a football team have to do to win team of the year???? And what about Fergie?? Over the last 12 months no other coach comes close. So since United we're robbed of 2 awards I see no problem with Giggs picking up SPOTY.

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  • 343. At 09:53am on 15 Dec 2009, United Dreamer wrote:

    Absolutely correct that Giggs should win SPOTY. Unprecedented eleventh premiership breaking the great Bobby Charlton's appearance record in the process - it was a no brainer. No difference to Redgrave winning it in 2000. However, how good did Dame Kelly Holmes look when presenting one of the awards? :)

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  • 344. At 09:53am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    With F1 - Just make them all race in a MKII Ford Cortina - that would sort them out - otherwise have a standard F1 car that all teams have to use with a manual gearbox and minimal technology and see which teams can win through the sheer talent of their drivers (would make the sport cheaper as well)

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  • 345. At 09:54am on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Blogs, thats the level headed forward thinking this particular blogs been missing for while.. And i belive it would be a leap and a bound forward for female sporting activity... For a while now a high volume of plain bordering ugly women have hogged the spot light of the female sprting profession... well thats hardly going to attract all the pretty young things now is it? So its a bout we down played the bow wows, and gave an accolade to the more atractive and Buxom (twice i have used that word in 2 days, it must be christmas) ladies... Afterall if the world of ladies sprt had more of a beauty pageant feel to it, i am confident a lot more pretty young ladies would partake... as ladies do like to look nice for thier man folk...

    Also i would like to take this opportunity to post a rebutle to a certain west london feminist from the early eighties (no names being mentioned) who said that encouraging female footballers to remove thier shirts after a footy match was sexist... Hardly, i mean most of those ladies are flat chested any way... Silly girl.

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  • 346. At 09:59am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    problem is he and SAF should have got those awards in 2008 when we won the trophies

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  • 347. At 09:59am on 15 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    blog wrote:
    spit - enjoyed arshavin's ground-header, i thought hed tripped up at first.

    __________

    if the ball is on a height were he can head it, the boy will do it.



    man U not winning the team of the year and the cricket team doin it
    even though Manu won the league and some other stuff
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    May be the general brtish public dont care about it that much then

    they did pick Giggs, so manu supporters have to decide if they trust the voting process or not.

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  • 348. At 10:01am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Afterall if the world of ladies sprt had more of a beauty pageant feel to it,

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    If that was the case then Fatime Whitbread would have been banned for life

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  • 349. At 10:03am on 15 Dec 2009, United Dreamer wrote:

    Fergie was never going to win SPOTY coach of the year (I actually tthink Brawn was a better shout this year - after all he did "make" the car) - could you imagine the look on Lineker's face when Mickie Phelan picked up the award? Unfortunately um, uh, Sir Alex Ferguson can't take the award because uh of other uh engagements. It would have been hilarious. Clearly England are not winning the world cup next year then;)

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  • 350. At 10:05am on 15 Dec 2009, Czechmate wrote:

    "it's just the difference between winning and losing at F1 level has nowt to do with the driver."

    And i suppose Giggs would have won all his trophies even if he was playing for Blackpool. A footballer relies on his team mates, manager, physios as much as his own skill, just like an F1 driver relies on his team boss, designers, mechanics, as much as his own skill.

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  • 351. At 10:06am on 15 Dec 2009, United Dreamer wrote:

    By the way its the first time I heard about RyanHair so I don't know if its original or not but it made me laugh.

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  • 352. At 10:22am on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    351. At 10:06am on 15 Dec 2009, United Dreamer wrote:
    By the way its the first time I heard about RyanHair so I don't know if its original or not............................

    Do you think Giggsy wears a wig??

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  • 353. At 10:23am on 15 Dec 2009, Zootmac wrote:

    Adam - serious challenge to your favourites for the Christmas No 1. An Irish syntho tribute band has released a poignant single about the young men who sailed from Erin to the USA to escape famine, hardship and the X factor. "Go West" by The Pat Ship Boys is really taking off.

    And I'm not so sure about that Tennent guy you rave about. He was passable in Dr Who, but his Hamlet was rubbish, especially opposite Yorick.

    Should have had his head in his hands.

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  • 354. At 10:32am on 15 Dec 2009, I dont want a display name wrote:

    "I can't remember Giggs ever getting himself in the papers for owt other than his football."
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    Then you must have a very short memory or a very convenient one.

    "FOOTBALL star Ryan Giggs is secretly dating TV beauty Davinia Murphy again - just four months after she publicly accused the Manchester United star of beating her up in a nightclub."
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_19980215/ai_n14474313/

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  • 355. At 10:32am on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Zoots, I always thought Yorick was a bit of a clown, photogenically he took a good headshot, but as an actor he had no real body of work.

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  • 356. At 10:33am on 15 Dec 2009, socrates wrote:

    212. gordon wrote:
    "sorry they would give an award to any scumchester players everyone is ccared to miss em out or fergie mite smile---they bget away with too much"

    The conspiracy is more widespread than I originally thought - here was I thinking it was a public vote. I don't know who to trust now.


    0. Robbo wrote:
    "Incidentally, can we just allow players to whip their tops off when they bag a last minute equaliser? For goodness sake, do administrators understand nothing about football's passions?"

    Please no. Spare us the tedious ritual of goalscorers peeling off their tops, running to the nearest camera and then pulling their best bodybuilder pose with a look on their face that says 'coming to a nightclub near you soon, ladies'. It was a mating ritual, not a footballer showing passion.


    350. Czechmate wrote:
    "And i suppose Giggs would have won all his trophies even if he was playing for Blackpool. A footballer relies on his team mates, manager, physios as much as his own skill, just like an F1 driver relies on his team boss, designers, mechanics, as much as his own skill."

    Of course he would have won trophies because he would have risen to the top.

    I'd say that Giggs's International Career though is akin to a driver of one of the poorer F1 cars. It doesn't matter how hard he tries, he'll never win anything. That's why Jenson Button shouldn't have won Sports Personality of the Year. Let's face it, most of the other drivers would probably won if they had the best car too.

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  • 357. At 10:42am on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Zoots, Don't you run off and scare us all like that again... Lamenting, thats what ive been, lamenting, pining for the fjords... (dont let robbo know but i only read this blog for the posters like you H2, Blogs, Trotts etc... did you see gaz?)

    As for Tennant, good time lord, bad wizzard passable lager... As for Yorrick, well i dont remember him from Doctor who, before my time, but i hear his Skeletor is quite something to behold...



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  • 358. At 10:50am on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Well..................

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  • 359. At 10:51am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Wishing Well?!

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  • 360. At 10:52am on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Ington boot, actually...

    Any word on PSB sales yet?

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  • 361. At 10:53am on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    I hear, that this is the slowest selling year for an X factor single...

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  • 362. At 10:53am on 15 Dec 2009, Zootmac wrote:

    H2H: Yorick wasn't a "he". Yorick was a lass, and poor.

    RedBlue: "Tennant, good time lord... passable lager". Possibly, but in both roles I preferred Dalek Guinness

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  • 363. At 10:54am on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Could be the Pet Shop Boys year!

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  • 364. At 10:56am on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Ah... Obi Wans brother, who was tempeted and lured by the Dark Side...

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  • 365. At 10:56am on 15 Dec 2009, socrates wrote:

    354. Atrevor4491 wrote:
    "Then you must have a very short memory or a very convenient one. "FOOTBALL star Ryan Giggs is secretly dating TV beauty Davinia Murphy again - just four months after she publicly accused the Manchester United star of beating her up in a nightclub."

    She must have been very forgiving then, to have him back.

    I'm not sure which is saddest, Davina for 'going public' after a tiff (which clearly wasn't anywhere near as bad as she portrayed since she got back together with him) or you, for googling it to try and prove a point. Both are rather pathetic and desperate.

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  • 366. At 11:00am on 15 Dec 2009, Zootmac wrote:

    364 RBA

    Let's all be glad that Giggsy wasn't christened "Wan". Robbo would have had a real problem with his blog heading.

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  • 367. At 11:04am on 15 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    181. At 6:11pm on 14 Dec 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:
    Then there is your actual content on the matter which doesnt really add up. Saying that Button (or any F1 driver) doesnt deserve the award ue to the car being 90+% of the reason (which Id agree with) is like saying Giggs shouldnt get it because he playes for Man Utd as opposed to Hull.
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    That is an excellent point JDR and I would like to hear the responses to it. As I couldn't agree more.

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  • 368. At 11:05am on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Though if it had the subtitle "over udeserving sports people in an effort to hide the fact that the BBC have no actual sport left"

    It would have been a fitting one...



    (I apologise to Zoots for my crudeness and to Blogs for not being quite crude enough)

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  • 369. At 11:08am on 15 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    190. At 6:30pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:
    Are you tryin to say that we cannot buy players? Surely rubbish. SAF himself spoke about this player with high regards and he has overseen the best players that graced the EPL within the past 2 decades
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    I didn't know know Bergkamp, Henry, Viera and Pires were Man utd players? No? Well then he hasn't over seen the BEST players in the last 2 decades has he.
    "Are you tryin to say that we cannot buy players? Surely rubbish"
    This indicates you don;t know and are guessing, much as everyone is, but £800 million in the red doesn't look good, and don't call me shirley.

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  • 370. At 11:08am on 15 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Morning RBA,

    no shame in being average then

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  • 371. At 11:10am on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    As an Aldershot fan Spits, i have always strived for Averageness... And have spent a great deal of time being disapointed... Ah well.

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  • 372. At 11:12am on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    I do know that you simply cannot beat your opponents if you're in a substandard vehicle, regardless of your supposed talent.

    How is this different to Giggs? In poor teams he loses, in good ones he wins. Sometimes you seem to forget what you wrote in the blog. Why not tell it like it actually is? All Ryan Gigg's award did was highlight how irrelevant SPoTY is in non-Olympic/Tournament years?

    Also -

    The city of Liverpool could lose out in the race to host 2018 World Cup matches, with Milton Keynes a possible inclusion in England's final bid to Fifa.
    ]would be another FA victory over football

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  • 373. At 11:13am on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    I remember Shirley Rubbish the female wrestler, she was Big Daddies (real name Reg Dwight) manager for a short time... before leaving to try and find a needle in Giant Haystacks...

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  • 374. At 11:13am on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    SORRY - 372 was for Roblinho

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  • 375. At 11:13am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Any word on PSB sales yet?
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    Going quite well I think - the local HMV has shifted half its stock already and they had about 200 in

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  • 376. At 11:15am on 15 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    211. At 7:33pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    206 JDR, indeed, it´s all about the money in every facet of the business world. Why should we expect football to be any different.
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    H2H - because you don;t see a banker running down the street kissing the company tie in front of 60,000 people he professes to love or a business litigation expert sliding across a meeting room on his knees lapping up national media acclaim, while confessing his love for the CEO and it's fans, that's why mate.

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  • 377. At 11:16am on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    369. At 11:08am on 15 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
    190. At 6:30pm on 14 Dec 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:
    Are you tryin to say that we cannot buy players? Surely rubbish. SAF himself spoke about this player with high regards and he has overseen the best players that graced the EPL within the past 2 decades
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    I didn't know know Bergkamp, Henry, Viera and Pires were Man utd players? No? Well then he hasn't over seen the BEST players in the last 2 decades has he.
    "Are you tryin to say that we cannot buy players? Surely rubbish"
    This indicates you don;t know and are guessing, much as everyone is, but £800 million in the red doesn't look good, and don't call me shirley.


    Cantona and Ron, that's it, oh, and Giggs. But yes, i am saying Man U can't buy. As are big clubs around Europe, and DeLoitte. They are screwed, and if you are stupid enough to believe Funguson when he says he had money then you deserve to be lied to.

    "I wouldn't sell tha' mob a virus"

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  • 378. At 11:17am on 15 Dec 2009, GFasulo wrote:

    329. At 05:38am on 15 Dec 2009, matt wrote:
    How the heck can someone be well paid to write such drivel?

    Couldn't have put it better myself. This Robbo person writes nonsense. How on earth can you say Giggs deserved to win it, when Button is a WORLD CHAMPION?
    Yes, he won in a good car, but he still won against other good drivers in other good cars, and you are utterly clueless.

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  • 379. At 11:17am on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Well, if you add that to the dozens of other sales across the country, it might be a PSB chrimbo...

    what was that really catchy song they did?

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  • 380. At 11:17am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    The city of Liverpool could lose out in the race to host 2018 World Cup matches, with Milton Keynes a possible inclusion in England's final bid to Fifa.
    ]would be another FA victory over football
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    No it would be your own fault for not having suitable stadia - now if you were to build 1 big stadium on Stanley Park and share with Evberton you would probably be guaranteed it.

    I reckon the winning grounds will be

    Wembley
    Old Trafford
    Emirates Stadium
    Eastlands
    St James' Park
    Stadium of Light
    Hillsborough
    Villa Park
    Milton Keynes
    Bristol

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  • 381. At 11:21am on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Adam, you missed out the Recreation Ground, Fratton Park, The Den loads of great grounds...

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  • 382. At 11:22am on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    380. At 11:17am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    some clubs are constrained by loyal fans and the need to actually be in the place they are named after, Adam.

    to be honest, i'd still have Anfield over Stadium of Light, Milton Keynes Bristol or Eastlands in it's current state.

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  • 383. At 11:22am on 15 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    can we just move on from the Ryan Giggs winning the Spoty thingy boo haa.
    some people are hell bent on skinning hair like its the theme of the blog or summat

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  • 384. At 11:22am on 15 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    229. At 9:04pm on 14 Dec 2009, Chelsea_ladies82 wrote:
    (Incidentally, can we just allow players to whip their tops off when they bag a last minute equaliser? ........ it would bring in a whole load more fans to the women's game)
    Sexist and degrading remark to make on a site that supposedly attracts kids.
    Disgusted Robbo.
    Mark my words
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    Back to the kitchen with you, 2 sugars in mine there's a good luv.

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  • 385. At 11:22am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Tim well he wouldn't but Cristiano had told him he wanted to leave and eventually Fergie agreed criteria with Ronaldo that if Real met he would allow him to go.

    It was not a sale that Fergie particularly wanted to make but he felt keeping Ronaldo would be counter-productive and it wasn't as if the player hadn't done well for us.

    RBA - among their catchiest songs were West Engd Girls, Its A Sin, Suburbia Rent, Always On My Mind, Left To My Own Devices, Go West, Se A Vida E, Minimal and Did You See Me Coming

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  • 386. At 11:23am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Always On My Mind was actually a Christmas Number One as well

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  • 387. At 11:27am on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    384. At 11:22am on 15 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    you must admit, Eggsy, it was a quite idiotic comment for a football writer, though. well, i say quite...

    adam - yeah, i know, but Fergie is a man who lies, end of. most do, but all this 'no value in the market' stuff is so much hot air.

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  • 388. At 11:30am on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    RBA, I'm sure many come just to read your contributions too.

    362 Zoot, I was confused, (not a new phenomenon) but alas it took a while for the penny to drop.

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  • 389. At 11:30am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:


    382. At 11:22am on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    380. At 11:17am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    some clubs are constrained by loyal fans and the need to actually be in the place they are named after, Adam.

    to be honest, i'd still have Anfield over Stadium of Light, Milton Keynes Bristol or Eastlands in it's current state.

    But as Stanley Park is adjacent to the Northern boundaries of the districts of Everton & Anfield and is on the same road as Goodison & Anfield sharing a ground would still be in the area they are named after and could simply call it Stanley Park which would be neutral enough to suit both parties.

    The Stadium of Light is a better option than Anfield as it was built specifically to FIFA guidelines to allow it to host a WC or Euro Championships and Eastlands is pretty decent as well considering it was again built specifically to host a large scale sports tournament

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  • 390. At 11:35am on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    But as Stanley Park is adjacent to the Northern boundaries of the districts of Everton & Anfield and is on the same road as Goodison & Anfield sharing a ground would still be in the area they are named after and could simply call it Stanley Park which would be neutral enough to suit both parties.

    you know it isn't about that. fans care too much to share, unlike in milan etc. i said as they stand, and Liverpool has the same UEFA rating as all but OT and Webley, being a 4* ground.

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  • 391. At 11:38am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    adam - yeah, i know, but Fergie is a man who lies, end of. most do, but all this 'no value in the market' stuff is so much hot air.

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    Not at all - prices were going mad because Real were spending like mad and other clubs knew that United had just got £80M for Ronaldo in 1 cash payment.

    Benzema ended up going for more than Fergie thought he was worth and he didn't think he was worth more than 30M euros. Robery was priced at £67M by Bayern and again was viewed as over-priced considering we had Berbatov. Maybe he is waiting on David Villa being available at an appropriate fee or maybe he felt that some of the young players coming through coupled with 3-4 purchases would be sufficient. Obertan & Valencia look like they are going to grow into excellent players and if our strikers would start scoring more (especially Berbatov) he will have been proved right

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  • 392. At 11:39am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    you know it isn't about that. fans care too much to share, unlike in milan etc. i said as they stand, and Liverpool has the same UEFA rating as all but OT and Webley, being a 4* ground.

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    Maybe not but the bubble will burst eventually and a shared stadium will reduce costs when the reality of business finally catches up with football

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  • 393. At 11:39am on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    373 RBA, Big Daddie was Elton John?

    376, Eggy, thats why so many banks are going broke, there's just no passion anymore. ;p

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  • 394. At 11:40am on 15 Dec 2009, Dave wrote:

    Why are all the F1 fans writing on a sports blog?? Driving about in a car isn't really a sport is it... ??

    And comparing Button to Giggs is an insult to Giggs.

    Button having 1 good year playing his expensive, elitist hobby pales in signifigance to Giggs' achievemnts as the most successful player in the history of British football in the most widely played sport on the planet - and at 36 he's still winning????

    Why don't you log onto some engineering website and argue about downforce and hourse power etc...

    oh and why don't the English wait until they actually get the WC before they start planning which stadia to use....typical!!!!

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  • 395. At 11:45am on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    adam, that is just wishful thinking. he didn't have the cash, and he lied to cover it up. he's already proved that his buying is erratic, and now he won't have the problem because of the bearded rainmen.

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  • 396. At 11:45am on 15 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    253. At 10:29pm on 14 Dec 2009, sabretooth86 wrote:
    Last word should go to Major Packer in my opinion. Yes he's been mentioned once...but in my opinion the guy is nothing short of the country's living hero and a national treasure.
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    Here, here. People like this deserve the major kinghthoods and honours, not egotistical, money drenched, pampered sporting brats who have had an easy ride all their professional lives.

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  • 397. At 11:46am on 15 Dec 2009, WordsofWisdom wrote:

    Great Blog Robbo....with the usual amount of classic comments. Had me chuckling all the way through.

    But of course you just knew it would bring out the begrudgers! Interesting to note how many of them actually think that Utd fans put together can outvote 'the rest' when they put their mind to it.

    Spot on about Button and the other 1 hit wonders who often win this award.

    Giggs surpassed Bobby Charlton's record of most games played for Utd, in 2009 and is now at 821 and counting. He was also the 1st Utd player to reach 100 PL goals.

    A more than deserving recipient and a great pro.

    Pity about the mentality of so many football fans who won't veen support their own sport in such events and just want to begrudge him the award because he plays for Utd.

    Sad really!

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  • 398. At 11:46am on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Err, Dave...I'm pretty sure when FIFA look at Englamds bid, they're gonna be interested in what stadium we use...

    Typical Johnny foreigner!!!

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  • 399. At 11:47am on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Poor Yorrick, I knew the lass well, amen. Just doesn't have the same ring to it I am afraid... prefer william's version meself.

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  • 400. At 11:48am on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    394. At 11:40am on 15 Dec 2009, Dave wrote:
    Why are all the F1 fans writing on a sports blog?? Driving about in a car isn't really a sport is it... ??

    And comparing Button to Giggs is an insult to Giggs.

    Button having 1 good year playing his expensive, elitist hobby pales in signifigance to Giggs' achievemnts as the most successful player in the history of British football in the most widely played sport on the planet - and at 36 he's still winning????

    why don't you just put "i'm a bit thick and don't understand (anything really, but today) Formula One?"

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  • 401. At 11:49am on 15 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    263. At 10:48pm on 14 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    258, Spit, not me, I´m all for equal rights.
    As Lord Flasheart once said when talking about the suffragette movement:
    "Hey! Any girl who wants to chain herself to *my* railings and suffer a jet movement gets *my* vote!"
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    LOL "Always treat your kite, *swish* like you treat your woman"
    "get inside her 5 times a day and take her to heaven and back!"

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  • 402. At 11:50am on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Giggs surpassed Bobby Charlton's record of most games played for Utd, in 2009 and is now at 821 and counting. He was also the 1st Utd player to reach 100 PL goals.
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    How many more games per year do they play nowadays compared to Charlton's day?

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  • 403. At 11:51am on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    399 Bo, the word well is a common misquote, it was actually "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest.............."

    Sorry about that, I had an Eng Lit O'level flashback.

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  • 404. At 11:54am on 15 Dec 2009, WordsofWisdom wrote:

    @Dave 394: Spot on and agree with every word! Well said.

    I've just read RedBlueArmy's contributions to this Blog and you seriously have to worry about the guy. So just ignore what he says...he's a clown!

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  • 405. At 11:57am on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Thanks H2... I just checked my 'The Complete Works of William Shakespeare' and have discovered that I shall have to replace it seeing as it has incorrect text ... lol

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  • 406. At 11:57am on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    396. At 11:45am on 15 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
    253. At 10:29pm on 14 Dec 2009, sabretooth86 wrote:
    Last word should go to Major Packer in my opinion. Yes he's been mentioned once...but in my opinion the guy is nothing short of the country's living hero and a national treasure.

    what courage or skill does it take to stand on a landmine? i'm not someone who is convinced by the argument that being a soldier makes you a hero

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  • 407. At 12:02pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    I tell a lie H2... just checked my text and you are absolutely correct.

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  • 408. At 12:02pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Mme Mod, bonjour.

    WoW - you and Dave are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and incorrect. Jenson, Haye, Daley, Ennis and Idowu are all world champs. It is an insult to them that a past-his-best footballer is given it for playing a small part in winning one trophy.

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  • 409. At 12:04pm on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Sorry WOW, Sorry Dave... Sorru Robbo, Sorry guys... Sorry Mrs M.

    Your sweeping generalisation about the english should have been taken on the chin, thier was little to no need for a rebutle... I'm with you, we should win the WC for 2018 first, and sort out the details later...

    Who do we think we are...

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  • 410. At 12:05pm on 15 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    320. At 00:22am on 15 Dec 2009, Spitfire wrote:
    Preach, I understand we should not take law in our own hand but can some one explain me, if the armed burglar was walking around freely after 50 convictions, in whose hand is the Law?
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    Good job they didn't break into this man's house LOL What a bunch of idiots!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2748887.stm

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  • 411. At 12:07pm on 15 Dec 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    24. At 4:05pm on 14 Dec 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:
    "Gerrard was punished because of Rooney's (horrifically blatant) dive"

    No, couldn't be more wrong or biased. Gerrard was punished for diving about 5 times during that match alone, including the "foul" that resulted in a free kick Liverpool scored as a result of. Again. Maybe the referee was also just a pile of dross.

    And no, if it was turned down to make a point it might have been to do with his god awful shameful dive the previous week.

    Rooney, on the other hand, was carded for his dive - the right and proper response. I don't actually think he intended to dive, but the foul never came and that was a more fitting example of Phil McNulty's "going down easily" rather than a deliberate dive, like Gerrard's.

    Villa did well - not sure they deserved more than a point, since they offered no threat for about three quarters of the game, but they dug in well and good luck to them. With Chelsea dropping points with their full team out, we can take heart for while the African Nations is on. Arsenal are an intermittent threat, while Liverpool are nothing to worry about.

    In truth, this year is quite a shambles from most sides - maybe it's because the other sides have gotten better, but I don't buy that. Everyone seems to be a bit weaker, except for City and Villa. Tottenham are now a two man team, which makes a nice change from being a no-man team.

    And Everton are being plucky and hard working, and deserve better. I have to say, I wish we'd not sold Saha for Berbatov though. Had about enough of the Bulgarian now - we need a striker and aside from injuries, Saha is phenominal.

    On (stupid) topic, congrats to Giggs for yet another gong, but so much for "personality" of the year. Just another tongue in crack award these days - not that many personalities in sport, but god knows Giggs isn't the beating heart of it. Arguably, Carragher should have won. He may not have won anything, but it isn't suppose to be the award for the most successful or popular.

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  • 412. At 12:07pm on 15 Dec 2009, WordsofWisdom wrote:

    402. At 11:50am on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:
    Giggs surpassed Bobby Charlton's record of most games played for Utd, in 2009 and is now at 821 and counting. He was also the 1st Utd player to reach 100 PL goals.
    ============================================================

    How many more games per year do they play nowadays compared to Charlton's day?

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    Not that many more. In Charlton's day there were 42 league games and no limit on cup replays. Also, there were no squad systems so players like Charlton played every game, barring injury. That hasn't been the case with Giggs for several years now.

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  • 413. At 12:09pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    RBA, do you wear big floppy shoes and a large red nose?

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  • 414. At 12:10pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    405 Bo, was that the Ausie version with the famous quote;

    "Romeo, what's here? Fosters? Drunk all, and left no friendly drop to help me after?"

    Taken from the bairds classic Romeo and Shelia

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  • 415. At 12:11pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    411. At 12:07pm on 15 Dec 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    he dived, Gen (Rooney). stop making excuses. Gerrard was fouled. If a ref can't make a decision based on the incident in front of him AT THE TIME he shouldn't be reffing

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  • 416. At 12:16pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Romeo and Sheila... takes me back that H2... what a grand tale of outback passion that is.... I can still hear the didgeridoo and rolf's wabble board playing in the background as Sheila chucks herself off of the verandah... touching, very touching indeed.

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  • 417. At 12:17pm on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    413.... it is true.

    I think a few people on here have Coulrophobia, its ok... I'm just glad its a irrational hatred, and not like so many other peoples well thought out and reasoned...

    "honk honk"

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  • 418. At 12:17pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    411 G,Red, we often agree to disagree on here, but I'm with you 100% on your SPOTY comments,
    "Just another tongue in crack award these days....."
    Funny.

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  • 419. At 12:18pm on 15 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    RBA - i woke screaming this morning from a dream in which i was being attacked by mrs mods, derek, wall-eyed-eddie and a mob of snarling woodland critters.

    btw i think these doctor who/shakespeare debates should be bard. if david tennant was out-acted by a skull prop his career is in trouble.

    who killed the most chickens in shakespeare? macbeth did murder most fowl

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  • 420. At 12:18pm on 15 Dec 2009, Tony wrote:

    99.RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    94 and others... WE did not vote for him... no mare than WE voted for that simpering grinning geordie to win the X-Factor... We did not do that, the people who feel the need to take part in a ridiculous television programme did that...
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    Abstension is merely a vote for the status quo

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  • 421. At 12:19pm on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    adam, that is just wishful thinking. he didn't have the cash, and he lied to cover it up
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    He did have teh cash but chose to spend it on Valencia, Obertan and a couple of others and stick the rest in the bank. Just because you have it doesn't mean you have to waste it.

    And Dave you have to pick the stadia before you bid for the World Cup otherwise you won't get it as they are integral parts of the bid.

    Tim - Button is not comparable to Giggs as he only has 1 championship. Now if we were talking about Michael Schumacher that would be a different thing.

    But we're not

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  • 422. At 12:19pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    You are safe with me then RBA... never have I been associated with anything well thought out, reasoned or rational.

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  • 423. At 12:21pm on 15 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    393. At 11:39am on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    376, Eggy, thats why so many banks are going broke, there's just no passion anymore. ;p
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    LOL I can see it now, the PA sliding across the floor YEAH, I MADE THE BOSS A CUPPA! GET IN THERE!

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  • 424. At 12:22pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    but so much for "personality" of the year. Just another tongue in crack award these days - not that many personalities in sport, but god knows Giggs isn't the beating heart of it.
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    I would agree with you Red but I have previously stated that I am not going to mention that award thingy or the winner again on this post.

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  • 425. At 12:24pm on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Quo were on X-Factor???

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  • 426. At 12:24pm on 15 Dec 2009, Zidanepirouette wrote:

    I have to say that i think you're being a bit harsh on F1 robbo. Yes of course the sport has a lot to do with what car you're driving, but it's the same with all motorsport. Button summed it up very well on the Jonathan Ross show when he said that F1 is a team sport and that the Brawn team should take as much credit as him. The guy won when he had the best car at the beginning of the season, but when he didn't have the best car in the second half of the season he still consistently finished in the points and failed to finish only one race, which is an impressive feat in this sport. You also had a little dig about his moving to McLaren after praising Brawn, look he simply decided to move onwards and upwards to compete in - probably - the best car in the sport and go head-to-head with - arguably - the fastest driver in the sport currently, Hamilton. And yeah he's gonna be getting more money too but what's wrong with that?

    Button is widley regarded as the smoothest driver, best over-taker and most reliable finisher in the sport and was thoroughly deserving of his nomination for SPOTY, although i think Strauss should have won.

    And jay_jamie_matt,

    Another angry, jealous Hamilton fan. Give a little credit where it's due eh?

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  • 427. At 12:24pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    420. At 12:18pm on 15 Dec 2009, Tony wrote:
    99.RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    94 and others... WE did not vote for him... no mare than WE voted for that simpering grinning geordie to win the X-Factor... We did not do that, the people who feel the need to take part in a ridiculous television programme did that...
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    Abstension is merely a vote for the status quo
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    Francis Rossi, Rick Parfitt, Andy Bown, John "Rhino" Edwards and Matt Letley for Xmas #1

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  • 428. At 12:24pm on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    LOL I can see it now, the PA sliding across the floor
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    If she's doing that sliding on the floor it won't be a cuppa she'll have been making (especially if teh blinds are closed aand tehre is a meating in progress)

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  • 429. At 12:24pm on 15 Dec 2009, Matt Worster wrote:

    Another year, another disastrous show showcasing everything that is wrong with the British sporting psyche. I am all for rewarding those that have achieved great things in their sport but not, as usual, a bunch of second raters.

    Take Mark Cavendish for example - 131st in the tour de France and despite the stage wins he wasn't even the top sprinter! He didn't even win part of a race - why is he so celebrated?

    Andy Murray - excellent player but he has won no majors. I bet he is embarrassed to be on here.

    All our world champions in athletics/diving - no medals at the oylmpics - that is the pinnacle of their sport.

    Jenson Button - the luckiest (and cockiest) world champion ever. He had 6 good weeks and is now world champion. 7 wins in 171 races and he is world champion? Pure good fortune.

    Only David Haye (as world champion) or Andrew Strauss (who was magnificent as England retained the ashes) deserve to be considered.

    Giggs is more than appropriate for the lifetime achievement award but his winning makes a mockery of this award and I am glad.

    The sooner this nonsense ends the better for Britain.

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  • 430. At 12:24pm on 15 Dec 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    394. At 11:40am on 15 Dec 2009, Dave wrote:
    oh and why don't the English wait until they actually get the WC before they start planning which stadia to use....typical!!!!
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    Because part of the planning process is submitting the stadiums you will use. next time I would suggest putting your brain in gear before uopening your mouith and making a complete gimp of yourself with your sweeping generallidsations about an entire race of people. Now go play with your child friendly crayons......

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  • 431. At 12:25pm on 15 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    seem to have chickens on the brain at the moment and re: my almost instantly modded post last night (ive alwways said you have lightning fingers, Mrs Mod):

    Has anyone seen my cock?

    My old Rhode Island Red?

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  • 432. At 12:25pm on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

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  • 433. At 12:26pm on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    BLOGS.... i had the same dream!

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  • 434. At 12:27pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Abstension is merely a vote for the status quo
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    Status quo get my vote for Christmas No 1. Stay away from the 2-3 chord rotations quips adam.

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  • 435. At 12:28pm on 15 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    adam ; SPEAK UP!

    rba, h2, Bo - status quo joke -you beat me to it.

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  • 436. At 12:29pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    421. At 12:19pm on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Giggs has never one anything on his own. And i agree, Button is at his peak, performing week in week out, in a team having to fight for everything they get, and not favourably treated by the governing body. He is a World Champion, in a small team.

    Giggs, on the other hand, plays 25 games a year, and in a team that has been carried by Ronaldo for the last few years. He lost in a major final, was fairly incidental last year in the league, and is miles away from his best. The award is 'of the year'. Giggs hasn't played football well enough to deserve an award for sometime.

    Don't get me wrong, he is still good. but last year many players had much better years, and the PFA was a joke. If you insist on degrading F1 that's fine, you aren't a fan. But lets be honest about Giggs. He needs to retire, then we can throw every lifetime achievement award you can think of at him.

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  • 437. At 12:29pm on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Matt - is your middle name Ebeneezer. What's wrong with a nice little awards ceermony for people to honour sporting achievement.

    Its a bit like the Oscars really in that the winners aren't always the most deserving but it is a nice evening witha n award at the end for people to applaud.

    Have some perspective and get a grip on what matters

    i.e another 2 defeats for Liverpool this week

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  • 438. At 12:30pm on 15 Dec 2009, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Why not go the whole hog and vote for Madness to be xmas number 1?

    Or Slade?

    I haven't read all 400+ comments but, Gerrards was a penalty and Rooney dived!!

    I am a Man Utd fan!!!

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  • 439. At 12:34pm on 15 Dec 2009, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    RBA, i better not make any reference to the cricket as i will be modded again!! B******s!

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  • 440. At 12:35pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    I am a Man Utd fan!!!
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    I won't hold that against you.

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  • 441. At 12:35pm on 15 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    are we supposed to be surprised that you can be a Man U fan and tell the truth? good grief. i cant stand it. see you on the next blog.

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  • 442. At 12:35pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    429. At 12:24pm on 15 Dec 2009, Matt Worster wrote:

    How can you call Button lucky and then say Haye was deserving of the award? He fought a guy who he basically ran away from, and only won because Valuev slipped a bit and Haye had tickled his chest just before. And Strauss, the same. he beat the world's 5th best test team. WOW.

    Daley too, really. Amazing for his age. You don't seem to know about boxing, F1, diving or cycling, so why comment? The only thing i agree on is the the ceremony is pointless, but the you round up with a good ole Daily Mail 'it'd be better for Britain'.

    Adam -

    He did have teh cash but chose to spend it on Valencia, Obertan and a couple of others and stick the rest in the bank. Just because you have it doesn't mean you have to waste it.

    look, you believe him, i don't. lets not argue about it anymore.


    RBA - i had a friend with the clown phobia so bad he couldn't eat at Ronald's because of the Happy meals. In fact, my other housemate at the time had a phobia of cheese, which was even weirder (but so funny)

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  • 443. At 12:36pm on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Guys I have just listened to my new purchase - teh wonderfully titled It Doesn't Often Snow At Christmas. the covers of My Girl and Viva la Vida are brilliant - well worth a trip down to HMV.

    Off to Glasgow Thursday to see them live.

    Bo - you mean Status Quo actually know 2-3 chords to rotate? I thought they were the one-chord wonders

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  • 444. At 12:36pm on 15 Dec 2009, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Thanks Bo!! We all have our problems!!

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  • 445. At 12:37pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    441. At 12:35pm on 15 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:
    are we supposed to be surprised that you can be a Man U fan and tell the truth? good grief. i cant stand it. see you on the next blog.

    byw byw blog. time to change your rag, methinks.

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  • 446. At 12:37pm on 15 Dec 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    415. At 12:11pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    411. At 12:07pm on 15 Dec 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    "he dived, Gen (Rooney). stop making excuses. Gerrard was fouled. If a ref can't make a decision based on the incident in front of him AT THE TIME he shouldn't be reffing"

    Thanks for proving me right on the expected one-eyed response. Gerrard dived all through the game, not just a one off incident. Rooney was given the appropriate sanction at the time, a yellow card. Gerrard, just as last week, gets away with time and time again.

    Incidentally, if that was a penalty (and I agree, it was), you should watch some of Carragher's tackling in the box a bit closer.



    426. At 12:24pm on 15 Dec 2009, Y2J wrote:
    "Button is widley regarded as the smoothest driver, best over-taker and most reliable finisher in the sport and was thoroughly deserving of his nomination for SPOTY"

    Absolultely - Button is a perfect driver - he always takes the optimum line, doesn't generally get untidy and is smooth as silk. Thing is, its not "best sports person of the last year", it's personality. Even there, Button is smooth so i'd still put him up there - and you don't listen to failured sports people - i'd have put Button ahead of Giggs, but it's just politics.

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  • 447. At 12:37pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    And Strauss, the same. he beat the world's 5th best test team.
    =========================

    But he beat them with the world's worst team.

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  • 448. At 12:38pm on 15 Dec 2009, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    Blog, no you should be shocked! Maybe surprised that some fans arent biased!!??

    Yeah see later!

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  • 449. At 12:38pm on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:

    438. At 12:30pm on 15 Dec 2009, Where Did The Title Ngog??!! wrote:
    Why not go the whole hog and vote for Madness to be xmas number 1?
    -----------------------------------

    As the Madness song My Girl features on the PSB Christmas EP you may just get your wish unless Simon the Dark Lord of Cowell gets his way

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  • 450. At 12:39pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    443. At 12:36pm on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:
    Guys I have just listened to my new purchase - teh wonderfully titled It Doesn't Often Snow At Christmas. the covers of My Girl and Viva la Vida are brilliant - well worth a trip down to HMV.

    there is a cover of 'do they know...' by a band called *uck Buttons, i think, that has my vote. It's good.

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  • 451. At 12:40pm on 15 Dec 2009, oldstafford wrote:

    what courage or skill does it take to stand on a landmine? i'm not someone who is convinced by the argument that being a soldier makes you a hero

    Couldn’t let this go without a comment…
    - Heroic perhaps in the way he has dealt with his injuries, raising money and awareness for the benefit of injured soldiers. I’m guessing you’re fortunate never to have been in that position yourself then ‘Captain’.

    So just ignore what he says...he's a clown!
    On a lighter note, RBA are you available for kids parties? (You get called a Chelsea supporter the other day and then a Liverpool supporter today, unlucky)…

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  • 452. At 12:41pm on 15 Dec 2009, Hey Mods Ngog Away wrote:

    449. At 12:38pm on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:
    438. At 12:30pm on 15 Dec 2009, Where Did The Title Ngog??!! wrote:
    Why not go the whole hog and vote for Madness to be xmas number 1?
    -----------------------------------

    As the Madness song My Girl features on the PSB Christmas EP you may just get your wish unless Simon the Dark Lord of Cowell gets his way

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    Woohooo!!! Vote for Madness!!!

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  • 453. At 12:45pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Bo - you mean Status Quo actually know 2-3 chords to rotate? I thought they were the one-chord wonders
    =====================================

    Come on adam... you know you admire Francis Rossi's guitar solo's.

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  • 454. At 12:47pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Thanks for proving me right on the expected one-eyed response. Gerrard dived all through the game, not just a one off incident.

    i only saw highlights, so can't comment on all of it. but you should read what i said. whether he'd dived all match each incident should be judged on its individual merits. foul in the box = pen.

    clearly a massive number of people disagree over Gerrard diving time and time again, as he rarely gets booked for it. i'm going to join them. he does dive, although a lot of it is down to the same thing Messi and Ron have to put up with, where the other (normally inferior) team knows that if they go off then the team suffers.

    and the Carra tackles, been over it, he gets the ball mainly, which Gallas clearly didn't so it is different.

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  • 455. At 12:51pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Couldn’t let this go without a comment…
    - Heroic perhaps in the way he has dealt with his injuries, raising money and awareness for the benefit of injured soldiers. I’m guessing you’re fortunate never to have been in that position yourself then ‘Captain’.

    so none, then. he was forced into the situation, and has dealt with it well. not really a hero to me, and i don't think soldiers should be admired. they kill for a job, normally because they can't do much else.

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  • 456. At 12:51pm on 15 Dec 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    "Giggs, on the other hand, plays 25 games a year, and in a team that has been carried by Ronaldo for the last few years."

    blah bleeding blah - change the record Captain.

    Also, it's not that Giggs isn't at his best, but that he plays an entirely different role from what he used to - he's also still as inconsistent as french connection uk.

    What gets me is that Scholes is just as influential (maybe more?) but he's not up for any awards? Which reminds me about those xmas cards in Tesco I heard about this morning...

    Which reminds me of Dave earlier, stating that it's cocky of England to be worrying about what stadia we're planning to use when we're bidding for the WC2018. I'd hazard a guess that he's an Aussie, because they're all called Dave aren't they?

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  • 457. At 12:52pm on 15 Dec 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    does anyone actually believe that Phone in Votes for anything are actually genuine I seem to recall being well ripped of by a Blue Peter phone in scam.

    and just think in a few more weeks we will be witness to yet more instituionlisation with the new years honours.

    just when i thought the lords were gonna be abolished they keep filling the den of rougues and thieves up again.

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  • 458. At 12:55pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    I'd hazard a guess that he's an Aussie, because they're all called Dave aren't they?
    =========================

    I aint called Dave... oh, but then I aint an aussie either... bugger, thought I'd caught you out there... anyway that's a bit of a generalisation me old son. I know a lot of aussies and only 75 percent of them are called dave.

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  • 459. At 12:56pm on 15 Dec 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    344. At 09:53am on 15 Dec 2009, adampsb wrote:
    With F1 - Just make them all race in a MKII Ford Cortina

    Nar - make them run round - imagine the scene on the starting line - to pit or not to pit

    Plus the carbon footprint is appalling!!!

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  • 460. At 12:59pm on 15 Dec 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    454. At 12:47pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    "whether he'd dived all match each incident should be judged on its individual merits. foul in the box = pen."

    Theoretically i'd agree, but you wouldn't have said that about Ronaldo, would you.

    "he does dive, although a lot of it is down to the same thing Messi and Ron have to put up with, where the other (normally inferior) team knows that if they go off then the team suffers."
    Again, i'd agree if that was the case. But when he dives, there is NO contact whatsoever. He's a diver, just not as good at it - he needs to stop NOW because he'll make a reputation just in time for him to go down easy in the box against Brazil in the Semi's and then we'll not get the pen that sees us through to Spain in the final!

    What is sad is that he didn't seem to do it so much last year. Because it was going well. Now he's trying it on because he's desperate. It's almost honourable...

    Incidentally, watching MOTD2 on recorded yesterday, and did anyone else notice Benitez shove his way in front of Wenger as they went down the tunnel? Sour bar steward he is.

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  • 461. At 1:00pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Plus the carbon footprint is appalling!!!

    compared to what?

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  • 462. At 1:01pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    458. At 12:55pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    "I know a lot of aussies and only 75 percent of them are called dave."
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    And that's just his female acquaintances.

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  • 463. At 1:01pm on 15 Dec 2009, cloughtheking wrote:

    Great man and role model that Ryan Giggs is, the SPOTY (and last years PFA)award are not really appropriate - he should been given some sort of one-off lifetime achievement type award instead.

    On another note, Robbo - I notice no mention of cheating Rooneys blatant diving in an attempt to win a penalty against Villa at the weekend.
    Yet half an article (and its title) was devoted to Henrys now infamous handball.
    This is consistent throughout the media, but surely apart from the fact Rooney was caught and punished by the officials, there is no essential difference between the two incidents?

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  • 464. At 1:03pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    And that's just his female acquaintances.

    =============================

    That is very true H2... the female daves do outnumber male daves 1.75 to 1

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  • 465. At 1:08pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Theoretically i'd agree, but you wouldn't have said that about Ronaldo, would you.

    i would. players like him, SteveG, Pele, Marad, Cryff etc have every right to bend the rules, as defenders don't even attempt to play football. i hated ron, but he was amazing, and it was the petulence that got to me, not the diving. if it is that or end up like Ashton, dive away.

    i try and be as unbiased as i can. do you?

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  • 466. At 1:10pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    I'd like to welcome back many of the United fans who had been conspicuous through their absence the last few days. Did you all enjoy last weekend?

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  • 467. At 1:11pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    On another note, Robbo - I notice no mention of cheating Rooneys blatant diving in an attempt to win a penalty against Villa at the weekend.
    Yet half an article (and its title) was devoted to Henrys now infamous handball.
    This is consistent throughout the media, but surely apart from the fact Rooney was caught and punished by the officials, there is no essential difference between the two incidents?

    this is utterly typical of the (er) man. but don't expect a response.

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  • 468. At 1:14pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    i would. players like him, SteveG, Pele, Marad, Cryff etc have every right to bend the rules,
    ==============================

    I would love to tackle that one captain but I made a promise not to argue this evening.

    ----------------------------

    I'd like to welcome back many of the United fans who had been conspicuous through their absence the last few days. Did you all enjoy last weekend?
    ==============================

    A bit mischievous H2.

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  • 469. At 1:16pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    I would love to tackle that one captain but I made a promise not to argue this evening.
    --------

    And besides, I am off to watch 'Nine Miles Under'...

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  • 470. At 1:17pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    468. At 1:14pm on 15 Dec 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:
    i would. players like him, SteveG, Pele, Marad, Cryff etc have every right to bend the rules,

    only in response to the attempts to cripple them. not generally. but if you look at how Diego or Pe$e was treated, i think Diego's hand was fair revenge. The England players couldn't get near the ball, so kicked him instead.

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  • 471. At 1:21pm on 15 Dec 2009, oldstafford wrote:

    Tim - and i don't think soldiers should be admired. they kill for a job, normally because they can't do much else.

    I don’t think anybody mentioned admiring someone for killing someone else and seeing as you usually post informed comments I’ll leave the last bit and assume you’re taking the proverbial except to say…engineers/electricians/doctors and on topic(ish) divers??


    H2H I live in the Midlands, no, but thanks for asking.

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  • 472. At 1:23pm on 15 Dec 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    "but surely apart from the fact Rooney was caught and punished by the officials, there is no essential difference between the two incidents?"

    that's a pretty major difference. Rooney was punished, he didn't come out in the media saying it was the referee's fault. Matter picked up and dealt with.

    466. At 1:10pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    "I'd like to welcome back many of the United fans who had been conspicuous through their absence the last few days. Did you all enjoy last weekend?"
    Personally, yeah. Enjoyed all the big games, if not all the results. The reason I haven't been on here is because it became incredibly dull. I already regret scanning and seeing that numpty's post earlier.

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  • 473. At 1:26pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    468, Yeah Bo, we don't get that many chances, so I say make the most of it while we can, cause they're usually more prone to bite. TommyB, Tim & Mojo were too smart and gracious, so I'm done with Sunday.

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  • 474. At 1:31pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Staff & GR, fair play lads.
    I think Wolves could be in for a bit of a backlash tonight, can´t see them pulling another "Spursesque away win" at OT.

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  • 475. At 1:32pm on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Ee up lads.. Staff mate, I am available for kids parties, though to be honest my act of typing off topic, pro aldershot bias and avant-garde messages to a football blog, isn't going down well...

    I tried to do ballon animals... The cat popped, horrible mess.
    So I tried magic, that was no good, make a kid disapear and i'm a hero, i said nothing about making him reapear... thier was no need for the police to get involved.

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  • 476. At 1:33pm on 15 Dec 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    465. At 1:08pm on 15 Dec 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    "'Theoretically i'd agree, but you wouldn't have said that about Ronaldo, would you.'

    i would."

    You would now, but not when he was a United player.

    My view on it is that if you trick the tackler into fouling you, fair enough - you won the battle of skills. If you go over a leg that isn't there, you lost the battle of skills and your award should be a yellow.

    If you don't get a yellow, it's an issue. If you do, then dues have been paid, you don't need haranguing in the media.

    Of course, Ronaldo would generate about 6 of each a game, so on average I guess they cancel out... if you win some you don't deserve, and you lose some you do, it's the result of your own behaviour.

    That is what happened with Gerrard.

    That and the pathetic state of refereeing at the moment. I mean, the guy had the PERFECT view of Gallas's obvious foul, and gave nothing. As the commentator on MOTD said, if was outside the area it was a foul. In which case, it's a foul and the referee should be punished for deliberately not giving it.

    Letting him get away with repeated dives throughout the rest of the game doesn't make up for it. They might think it will for the player (although it never ever will in the player's "mind"), but it is merely making more deliberate errors to compound a bad mistake. Two wrongs don't make a right etc.

    What is needed:
    - Cameras
    - Moral guidance training from Gary Neville to all players
    - Capello to lay down the law to the FA, who in turn lay it down to the referees and managers, in turn the players.
    - Gerrard, Rooney and Lampard (ideally spokesmen from each top flight club) to come out and say they will not accept any more diving from themselves or their teammates.

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  • 477. At 1:34pm on 15 Dec 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    "474. At 1:31pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    Staff & GR, fair play lads."

    Hey, what i do?!

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  • 478. At 1:35pm on 15 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    fattim - see yourself as the resident WUM, do we? boring.

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  • 479. At 1:37pm on 15 Dec 2009, buxtonjack wrote:

    474. At 1:31pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Staff & GR, fair play lads.
    I think Wolves could be in for a bit of a backlash tonight, can´t see them pulling another "Spursesque away win" at OT.
    --------------------------
    I fear Wolves may end up with a bit of a hiding..

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  • 480. At 1:38pm on 15 Dec 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    btw. i flounced out. i can flounce back in. but honestly giggs/manutd blah blah, its like the triumph of the spirit of fat tim.

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  • 481. At 1:39pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    477 GR, I meant fair play, as in cheers, a complimment for not stooping to my wummery.

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  • 482. At 1:40pm on 15 Dec 2009, buxtonjack wrote:

    A brief note.It appears that as "jacksofbuxton" I can't make any postings,hence the change of alias...

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  • 483. At 1:41pm on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    479... did you used to be JacksOfBuxton... or is this just a coincidence?

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  • 484. At 1:42pm on 15 Dec 2009, buxtonjack wrote:

    I used to be,RBA.Not sure what's happened but he's dead now,replaced by me...

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  • 485. At 1:44pm on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    ah, the old trick of answering me before i ask you... cunning!

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  • 486. At 1:44pm on 15 Dec 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Jacks, any chance that because you got modded so often they've blocked the old you from posting anymore?

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  • 487. At 1:45pm on 15 Dec 2009, LLOCKET wrote:

    Good luck to Giggs cannot blame him in any way,ceraintly a model professional sportsman but never a SPOTY !THE bbc needs to look at itself , it is no longer a serious sport provider ,focuses only on the sports it has an interest in, many of which are minor, horse jumping , darts and even an over emphasis on cricket [ where are there staff recruited from ]Many british world champions e.g.Crutchlow WSS do not even get an invite because the BBC does not report on that sport, can mentionothers ! The BBC is loosing out as in is stuck in the past , perhaps it is a budget problem tha has not allowed them to develop !

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  • 488. At 1:47pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    What did you do Jacks?

    Was it the anti monarchy rants that got you the chop?

    As Rudyard Kipling once wrote;
    "If you can keep your head while others around you are losing theirs".
    Then the mods haven´t got ya.

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  • 489. At 1:49pm on 15 Dec 2009, buxtonjack wrote:

    Colch may have the answer.I have asked for an explanation and am awaiting orders.So,best behave I suppose...

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  • 490. At 1:53pm on 15 Dec 2009, buxtonjack wrote:

    from quotes of the week...
    We scored a good goal, we hit the post, apart from that not a lot happened."
    Aldershot boss Kevin Dillon obviously missed the six goals Burton scored against them, then.
    master of understatement is Kev...

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  • 491. At 1:53pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    487. LLOCKET, Some excellent points mate, although a friendly warning,
    Some folks don´t take kindly to folks that don´t take kindly to Darts around here.

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  • 492. At 1:55pm on 15 Dec 2009, buxtonjack wrote:

    Everyone is entitled to a point of view,H2H.I'd like to think we can all respect that.

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  • 493. At 1:55pm on 15 Dec 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    LLOCKET

    you forgot to mention the borefest snooker

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  • 494. At 1:59pm on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    490... Shhhhhh dont tell him, as far as KD knows were unbeaten with him so far... It'd break his heart!

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  • 495. At 2:01pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    492, For sure Jacks, It would be a sad state of affairs if we couldn´t.

    I personally don´t think its because you were modded a lot, because there have been others who have been modded way more than you, and they are still around.

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  • 496. At 2:01pm on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    495... hello!

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  • 497. At 2:04pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Back to the SPoTY Debate,

    DG3 just mentioned snooker, did anyone else see the interview with the guy Ding after he had won the whatever it was title?
    Now there´s a guy that would really take the P out of SPoTY.

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  • 498. At 2:07pm on 15 Dec 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    496, Not you sir.
    But I remember only recently Adam and Star were getting serial modded.
    I´m serial.

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  • 499. At 2:08pm on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Super Serial? As in ManBearPig...?


    Excelsior!

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  • 500. At 2:10pm on 15 Dec 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    curse it

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