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That was horrid, Henry

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Robbo Robson | 11:53 UK time, Thursday, 19 November 2009

It's come to this, boys and girls. Thierry Henry, a man who lit up our league with runs so mazy you'd expect to find them at Hampton Court, the King of the Va Va Voom, charming, eloquent, possibly a bit up himself but you can forgive that... a player whose cut-in-from-the-left-curl-it-in-to-the-far-corner finishes almost have his patent on it, has cheated his team into the World Cup finals.

I'm in a state of utter shock. I remember Henry getting flak for a 'dive' in the 2006 World Cup to win a free-kick from which France scored a winner against Spain and I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Well, not anymore.

It's not good enough to say 'I handled it, but I'm not the referee.' It's like an admission of guilt from a petty thief when he knows it's too late for the police to arrest him.

Why can't a player be man enough to hold his hands up and tell the officials what's happened? In fact, if Thierry had not put his hands up in the first place it would've been a goal-kick and none of this would've happened.
Maradona's 'Hand of God' goal against EnglandMaradona's 'Hand of God' sinks England in the 1986 World Cup
We've been here before of course with that Argentine swear-box Maradona. When the drug-fuelled screeches and the supersize sordidness have faded, the knowledge of his genius in '86 will still be surpassed by that divine intervention against Shilts.

The history books will tell you that Maradona almost won that tournament single-handed, and we all know which hand they're talking about. Somehow ,though, you sort of expect little Diego to push the boundaries of acceptability - everything he's done since would suggest that his moral compass never quite knows where magnetic north is.

But Henry? Thierry Henry!

Is it necessary for great French footballers to blot their copybooks with an act of outrageous rule-breaking?

The mighty Zizou will be remembered first and foremost not for exquisite pirouettes, or the fact that he dwelt in a different time zone from any other player on the park, but for the moment when he changed from midfield matador to charging bull.

Still, this is where we're at.

Ngog's attempt at the world record long jump at Anfield left a bitter taste. Not so long ago one Didier Drogba admitted that he simulated the odd plummet for his team's gain (he later refined it in a Buzz Lightyear sort of way by saying something to the effect of it wasn't diving it was 'falling with style').

And now Henry has the cheek to say 'I'll be honest, it was handball'. Honest? It's too flippin' late to be honest, son. The modern excuse is of course 'Yeah, I cheated but it's the ref's fault'. It's the footballers' equivalent of 'society's to blame'.

You're left with the distinctly ugly feeling that Fifa will be smiling all the way to Johannesburg. I mean who wants to watch Dunne and Duff when you can see Benzema and Ribery instead? Well, me, for one. Apart from anything they're a better team, with a far better coach than Domenech.

I'm with Trapattoni when he said: "I go to schools and talk to young children about the importance of fair play, and this happens." I give up, really. I mean I'll be out with me grandkid and a ball this Saturday and we'll be learning some of the basics of football:

1. Push it past the keeper and fall into him. It's more important to get a penalty than to try to score a goal.

2. Ref awareness. Always take note of where the officials are and remember if it's on their blind side you can get away with blue flaming murder.

3. If someone's hands get anywhere near your face, collapse in a heap, clutching said face. Actually even if the hands are somewhere near your ankles, collapse in a heap clutching your face. While you're down there imagine the ground as a lump of pastry mix and yourself as the rolling pin. If no red card accrues, do it again within five minutes.

4. Make sure your fingers are strong enough to grab hold of a slippery polyester shirt even when it's going past you at 25 mph.
Thierry Henry hands France a World Cup placeThierry Henry hands France a World Cup place

5. Upon scoring a goal, ignore your own family and go and irritate your opposition's mums and dads instead. Adebayor does this and he's on 170K a week. Just imagine how much you could earn if you're as good as him.

6. Always make sure your manager will back you up in public, regardless of how shoddy your behaviour on the football field is.

7. You might want to learn how to pass the ball to someone on your team. But as long as you've nailed rules 1-6, you shouldn't have much problem.

Richard Dunne's right. We can't carry on like this. There's more cameras at footie matches than you find in your local Dixons and everyone of them has a tale to tell.

I'm fed up of hearing referees getting clobbered for the misdemeanours of some of the cavorting conmen that pass for footballers these days. Let's face it, Zidane would've stayed on the pitch three years ago if the fourth official hadn't been called in.

We have to try using video replays now. It's a must. So what if it slows the game down? So what if conclusions are sometimes difficult to reach? Better that way than trusting the players are interested in playing the game properly. They're not.

I wasn't expecting to be blogging about one of the Premier League greats falling from grace this week. Rather, I was anticipating a drooling chapter on Katy Perry's West Ham lingerie collection. I mean the lad Brand must have her hooked if she's gone to them depths for him.

We missed a trick up here when Christian Karembeu's missus was around. Crikey. Still, I welcome this development whole-heartedly as a way of encouraging more lasses into football. And I'm very much-looking forward to Cheryl Cole's Barcode Bra and Pants Collection.

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  • 1. At 12:58pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

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  • 2. At 1:06pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

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  • 3. At 1:06pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    Crap. We've already discussed this to death at 3am this morning .... now what are we going to ramble about for the next TRP?

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  • 4. At 1:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    1031. At 12:55pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    I´ll probably get slated for saying this, but anyone who believes that any footballer wouldn´t "cheat" to gain an advantage, especially in a match of such great importance, is being totally naive.

    Is it wrong, yes.

    Is it part of the game, unfortunatly also yes.

    It´s up to FIFA, and not the players to do something about this, they had a chance with that whole Eduardo incident, but they bottled it, just like they´ll sweep this under the rug and nothing will happen to Henry.
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    Quite agree H2H.Players will always push the laws as far as possible(eg a low down catch in cricket gets queried by the batsman knowing that the 3rd umpire will give not out)The introduction of technology and retrospective punishment with no appeal might be a start.

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  • 5. At 1:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    And there was me thinking that for the first 50 or 60 posts we stayed on topic and then meandered off onto other topics but I have been proved wrong.
    Good work Jacks and Adam for getting off topic so early.
    And I'm joining the campaign.

    PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER 1

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  • 6. At 1:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    3. At 1:06pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starfire_995 wrote:

    Crap. We've already discussed this to death at 3am this morning .... now what are we going to ramble about for the next TRP?
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    How about how to stop the pet shop boys,permanently?

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  • 7. At 1:10pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    We missed a trick up here when Christian Karembeu's missus was around.

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    Indeed although I don't think Katy Perry is that fit to be honest. Now Linsey Dawn McKenzie in skimpy undies is a far better idea

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  • 8. At 1:10pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    Well oficially I'm off to work, but really I'm packing my belongings and emigrating to Uzbekistan because I've been tipped of there's a large mob of angry weasels heading my way to 'Sort me out' after slagging them off earlier on.

    Laters =P

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  • 9. At 1:11pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Look Colchester,I know that it must be hard to give your backing to an Ipswich fan,bit nooooooo............
    GREG LAKE FOR CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

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  • 10. At 1:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    Especially hard as I now live near Norwich so they're my un-official 2nd team. I haven't had much luck in terms of where I was born or grew up. Why couldn't I have been born near Arsenal, Man Utd or even better Barcelona.

    PET SHOP BOYS FOR CHRISTMAS NUMBER 1

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  • 11. At 1:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #6 -Jacks it will never happen - tehy have seen off all threats such as Erasure, Oasis, Nirvana, Spice Girls etc and are still going strong by virtue of great music, intelligent lyrics and inventive stage shows where they change the arrangement on the songs so it isn't like Britney & Madonna where they are lip synching to a CD

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  • 12. At 1:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    4, Jacks, cheers for that, seeing the content of the new blog I was going to re-post it myself, you´ve just saved me some time.
    What to do, what to do????

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  • 13. At 1:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, tomefccam wrote:

    I wonder if head of UEFA Michel Platini would have usggested a re-match if the tables were turned. Very possible. The Irish should be there, but they should have topped their group. Italy and France have the worst teams I can ever remember, they cannot be considered a superpower this next world cup. the argies have struggled, Brazil are unusually one dimensional, Germany will more than likely make the final...but i think this is the real opportunity for one of the lesser nations to maek a real mark on this tournament by winning it. I include england in this category.

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  • 14. At 1:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Let's face it, Zidane would've stayed on the pitch three years ago if the fourth official hadn't been called in.

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    Well you say that Robbo. Who do you think would have been sent off for continuous shirt tugging for almost the whole 90 minutes?

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  • 15. At 1:18pm on 19 Nov 2009, LABSAB9 wrote:

    Robbo

    Quality blog mate i was pi**ing myself with the basics of football items 1 - 6.

    Shame about Henry though he is someone i will always love for the way he played at Arsenal but can't condone that last night feel really bad for Ireland.

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  • 16. At 1:18pm on 19 Nov 2009, lorus59 wrote:

    Players cheat. Referees are conned. The fans get angry. This is not a new phenomenon. There is deliberate hand-ball in almost every match. Some players are caught and some get away with it. Paul Scholes scored a hand-ball goal last year in the Super Cup and got a red card. His team mates went over to congratulate him on his goal. if it stood there would be no big deal because it was a pretty meaningless match. But when it happens in a huge match then there is uproar about the perpetrator being the devil himself. I am sure everyone can come up with with a long list of cheats. In fact it would be a very short list of honest players. If a player knows the ball came off him for a throw-in, is he a cheat to shout "Our ball"?
    If Henry told the ref that he handled it, what would the ref do? Would he disallow the goal? Would he book Henry? Can he give the power of officiating the game over to the players?
    It happened and it was bad. But it happens every week. I am Irish too and although they won't admit it now, I bet none of the Irish players would have owned up.

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  • 17. At 1:20pm on 19 Nov 2009, Andrew wrote:

    I felt sorry for the Irish and then remembered I'm English and that we'd already qualified then I forgot all about it.

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  • 18. At 1:20pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    H2H,if you've nothing to do you could support the campaign to prevent 80's pap getting to number one.Or perhaps if you wanted to listen to proper music involving keyboards and synths try Kraftwerk.

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  • 19. At 1:21pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    I never saw the game and The incident has been pulled off YouTube, so I cant comment on it. I think Duff's interview shows where players heads are with this sort of thing. He said "I don't think you can blame Henry, if it was myself or Robbie down the other end, we would have tried it. You just expect the linesman or the referee to see it..." He would have tried it.

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  • 20. At 1:23pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    well i'm gutted... after all the talk about a lack of fairness with the playoff seedings, we get this. Darth Platini and Emperor Blatter win again - what's to like about our game at the moment?

    it's a perfectly "Irish" culmination to qualifying, though, innit? perennial underdogs somehow go unbeaten in a group including the World Cup holders, get an arranged playoff match with powerhouse France, and go out to a b.s. own-goal and an Henry rugby touch.

    it pains me to say it, but ultimately Henry will suffer the most from this in the long run. for a man who has done it all in football, on a personal and club/country level, this is a massive opportunity lost...Thierry had a chance to show that cheating does not have to be the rule in football - he could have gone down as one of the all-time true gentlemen of the game by holding his hand up immediately to stop the farce. whether he ever admits it or not, he will live with the shame of allowing this injustice when he had a chance to stop it.

    any Gooner who's not gutted today is no friend of mine... a sorry moment for our game.

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  • 21. At 1:24pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Also,am I the only one that whenever he hears the name of the great French artist can't stop himself from Zidane(you're rocking the boat)?
    probably,anyway,
    GREG LAKE FOR CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE.

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  • 22. At 1:31pm on 19 Nov 2009, Clartmaster wrote:

    Robbo,

    "Richard Dunne's right. We can't carry on like this. There's more cameras at footie matches than you find in your local Dixons and everyone of them has a tale to tell."

    Clearly, as there is no such thing as a local Dixons. They went online only last year!

    /pedant

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  • 23. At 1:31pm on 19 Nov 2009, jo19met wrote:

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  • 24. At 1:32pm on 19 Nov 2009, Gary Craven wrote:

    As an Irishman, I'm absolutely gutted about last night.

    Yes we were cheated by a smelley goal!

    Yes the draw shouldn't have been seeded in the first place!

    Yes FIFA/UFEA got exactly want they wanted with France going through!

    And we can talk about the merits of video's replays until the cows come home, in fact they are home and they're walking round the living room like they own the place.

    But the fact is (pardon the Benitez impression), we had more than enough opportunities to put this game beyond them, before Henry decided to play a bit of volleyball.

    So it's 8 years and counting now.....Brazil 2014 here we come....Ole!

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  • 25. At 1:33pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    18 Jacks, sorry mate, I´m outside the UK so have no say in who gets the Xmas No1, but I prefer Daft Punk to Kraftwork in that particular genre.

    19 Bo,"I don't think you can blame Henry, if it was myself or Robbie down the other end, we would have tried it. You just expect the linesman or the referee to see it..."`
    Good to see that the people who were actually involved in the game can take a pragmatic view.

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  • 26. At 1:34pm on 19 Nov 2009, Max Pears wrote:

    What you fail to recognise is that if you were in his position playing for your country and were close to being knocked out of the the WORLD CUP, you would do all you can to win the match!!

    AGREED? Cut him some slack

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  • 27. At 1:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Tangerine dream,H2H?

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  • 28. At 1:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Anything to wind Adam up,my quasi-Dutch friend!

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  • 29. At 1:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, AnalMcAnal wrote:

    I agree with you Robbo about Henry's comments.

    It would be like OJ saying "Yeah, I killed her but blame the jury not me".

    Having said that, you can't replay a game because an official has made a mistake (or hasn't spotted an offence). What sort of precedence would that set?

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  • 30. At 1:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    H2H... I think it shows that the players are prepared to cheat because the rewards are so great. Maybe somebody needs to make the penalties for cheating more than the slap on the wrist they receive now.. like banning them for 6 to 12 months. Any sort of cheating.

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  • 31. At 1:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Back to more serious matters,has the Dutch media given as much attention as ours to M.Henry,H2H?

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  • 32. At 1:38pm on 19 Nov 2009, AnalMcAnal wrote:

    Apologies for comparing a handball in a football match to the murder of a human being. The more i think about it, the more i think i need a serious dose of reality!

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  • 33. At 1:38pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    20. At 1:23pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    ".........he could have gone down as one of the all-time true gentlemen of the game by holding his hand up immediately to stop the farce."
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    Didn´t he hold his hand up to start this farce? Twice?

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  • 34. At 1:38pm on 19 Nov 2009, Saccas wrote:

    I know it may seem cynical but in NO WAY WHATSOEVER will Platini accept to replay this match. What FIFA, UEFA and every other power in football should do is punish Henry, how about a suspension ruling him out of France's group games in SA? A bitter pill to swallow for him, i think, but one he must accept for such a blatant act of deception. A first class cheat!!
    And this matter will not stem the rumours of FIFA favouring the so called 'big nations', first of all deciding to seed the qualifiers? that was already outrageous, but now allowing this to happen without consequences? why not just say, "right, the 10 best teams in europe in the rankings qualify, the others battle it out between you for a slim chance.
    I live in france and watched the match last night on the french channel TF1, and they all said it was handball. Wenger was there, commentating on the match, and he knows henry better than anyone. Lizerazu and Wenger both admitted that its shamefull to be a french supporter at this moment in time. They have nothing to celebrate...they should be ashamed and so should Henry. A disgrace.

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  • 35. At 1:42pm on 19 Nov 2009, Max Pears wrote:

    Robbo Robson mate, you can't seriously think Ireland are a better team!The french out class them in every department

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  • 36. At 1:45pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    29. At 1:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, el_nino_81 wrote

    Having said that, you can't replay a game because an official has made a mistake (or hasn't spotted an offence). What sort of precedence would that set?
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    Didn´t they replay some Arsenal v Sheff Utd (?) cup game because of some dodgy goal scored after a throw in, unsportingly not thrown back to the other team or something like that?

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  • 37. At 1:47pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    36. At 1:45pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Didn´t they replay some Arsenal v Sheff Utd (?) cup game because of some dodgy goal scored after a throw in, unsportingly not thrown back to the other team or something like that?

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    And were soundly thrashed by Arsenal if I remember right.

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  • 38. At 1:47pm on 19 Nov 2009, arsenal4life81 wrote:

    The mighty Zizou will be remembered first and foremost not for exquisite pirouettes, or the fact that he dwelt in a different time zone from any other player on the park, but for the moment when he changed from midfield matador to charging bull.

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    Ok then Robbo, we should remember the dive that ended the Invincibles reign every time Wayne Rooney does something special for United!

    I don't agree with what Henry did but I don't believe any footballer would tell the ref they handled the ball out of good sportsmanship especially when World Cup qualification is on the the line.

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  • 39. At 1:47pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    you can't replay a game because an official has made a mistake (or hasn't spotted an offence). What sort of precedence would that set?

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    Maybe the right precedence.

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  • 40. At 1:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, Max Pears wrote:

    No mate

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  • 41. At 1:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, Parish87 wrote:

    We should have all seen this coming!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/handball/7579555.stm

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  • 42. At 1:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, AnalMcAnal wrote:

    "Apart from anything they're (Ireland) a better team".

    I'm with Max pears on this one. To say Ireland are better than France is going a bit too far IMO.


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  • 43. At 1:49pm on 19 Nov 2009, G_K___ wrote:

    It's not good enough to say 'I handled it, but I'm not the referee.'

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    You're right Robster.

    It's like saying, "Aye, I beat up my granny. Now give it a rest, I'm not a bloody policeman."

    Thing is though, this incident will live long in the memory when Thierry Henry is spoken about in years to come. I think he will come to regret it.

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  • 44. At 1:49pm on 19 Nov 2009, rjaggar wrote:

    I'm afraid that role models on £5m+ a year, if role models they are, take responsibility for their actions.

    There has been one man who has been a role model for sportmanlike behaviour on the pitches of the EPL this season and he won't be going to the World Cup. Andrey Arshavin. He has told refs who wrongly awarded a penalty that they got it wrong. He's got up when a penalty wasn't awarded when it should have been and got on with the game. And he's gone and blasted in a 30 yard screamer 90 seconds later.

    I'm sorry, I'm sick and tired of players whining about refereeing mistakes, trying to con them all the time and then saying 'it's not my responsbility if I cheat'. That's the attitude of a hardened criminal who jokes with his mates down the boozer about having got off murder charges at the Old Bailey when they all know that he did it.

    Mr Blatter, that's what you're organisation appears to be promoting right now.

    And I'm saying that knowing that England are bidding to host YOUR tournament in 9 years time.

    Well, if football is going to be worth anything in 10 years time, then people aren't going to be able to turn the other cheek any more. They're going to have to stand up and say that this DOES need to be stamped out.

    And if you have any credibility left in terms of authority, morality and decency, then you are going to start to act right now.

    Sir.

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  • 45. At 1:52pm on 19 Nov 2009, collie21 wrote:

    I watched the match in Nice in the South of France. I had 50 French people around me. I was a lone loud pain in the butt token Irish man in an Irish bar. Or at least in my part of it. We played France off the park. But we didn't take our chances, it's that simple. Yeah Henry cheated, I have always thought he was one. Yeah the lines man should be fired. Yeah the ref was in tears after the match for messing up big time. But we didn't take our chances and that is it. If the team had played all through the qualifying campaign like they did last night, we wouldn't have been in this situation. It's too easy to blame Platini Henry and Fifa. Yeah it would be hilariously funny to go back to that bar and have a replay. But we could have should have would have won that game by 3 or 4 goals if we could have taken our chances.

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  • 46. At 1:52pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    42. At 1:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, el_nino_81 wrote:

    "Apart from anything they're (Ireland) a better team".

    I'm with Max pears on this one. To say Ireland are better than France is going a bit too far IMO.

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    But why?

    Ireland remained undefeated in a group they were never expected to get out of and contained the World Cup holders.

    France should have minced their group gone though but played like a sack of merde and barely scraped a playoff place before cheating their way to the finals.

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  • 47. At 1:53pm on 19 Nov 2009, Eddy Cordoza wrote:

    Hilarious.

    No, not Ireland going out, they were brilliant last night and I genuinely felt sorry for them.

    No, the reaction is hilarious. The outrage, the calls for video evidence or the match to be replayed (!), the word 'cheat' used, Keane claiming UEFA "got the result they wanted". There has been so much hysteria and such an outpouring of sympathy that I half expect a minute silence around the grounds at the weekend. Get some perspective, mistakes happens EVERY week.

    Robbo, compare and contrast the tone of this blog to 10 days ago when you were blasting Ferguson for complaining about decisions that went against his team in the match at Chelsea ('Time To Tell Fergie to Ref Off!'). You did a character assassination on Fergie for the whole blog and yet now, Dunne, Keane et al are portrayed as wounded heroes, with every right to complain at this absolute travesty. But while Ferguson was only guilty of highlighting poor decisions, the Irish imply an agenda and question the integrity of the officials which is far, far worse. I had a feeing you wouldn't be reporting it as such though, rather you choose to focus on the injustice they're complaining about. Hmm, funny that.

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  • 48. At 1:53pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    The Hand of God!

    As an Arsenal fan, Henry is a god. Simple. But what really stood out for him was that opposition fans hailed him and respected him almost as highly. I remember great pride in our famous no.14 being applauded while taking corners at away grounds. Henry was not just an unbelievable striker, he was a talisman of the game, and a gentleman (how many other footballers have appeared on Parkinson?). Never would you see him running into someone, throwing himself to the floor, and rolling around a la Ronaldo. Yes, he was arrogant at times, but with his abililty, who wouldn't be?

    I too was surprised, and a little ashamed, in the 2006 WC but forgave him as a one-off after he claimed he was consisitently fouled by Puyol all game and felt he had to cheat. A one-off blip in a moment of frustration.

    And then came last night.

    It wasn't just ball hitting hand. He actually controlled the ball with his fingers.....and then circled away celebrating with as much verve as he used to when dribbling past the entire team and scoring (think vs. Real Madrid or Spurs).

    For me now, he will always have a tainted reputation. No longer is Henry a God. From now on, he shall forever be known as Herculean Henry. No longer a god, but a mere demi-god. Part-human and forever tainted.

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  • 49. At 1:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    7. At 1:10pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:
    Indeed although I don't think Katy Perry is that fit to be honest. Now Linsey Dawn McKenzie in skimpy undies is a far better idea.
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    She's got a face like a bloke..... Paper bag it is then!

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  • 50. At 1:55pm on 19 Nov 2009, Andrew wrote:

    That hand ball meant the difference between one of the greatest players of any generation gracing the world cup finals one more time, or him not.

    Bit naughty but that's football.

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  • 51. At 1:55pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    31 jacks, to be honest I´ve not really checked yet, having much to much fun discussing it here.

    Last night I wathched the France, Ireland game on the computer and had the Dutch friendly with Paraguay on the TV, that was an awfull match and the third 0-0 Dutch friendly game in a row, withadded to the injury of RvP in the game against Italy, had the media calling for an end to these kind of meaningless friendlies.
    There´ll probably be something about it, let you know when I´ve seen, heard it.

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  • 52. At 1:55pm on 19 Nov 2009, Max Pears wrote:

    #46
    I'm sorry but you cannot say as a whole Ireland are the better team. They're just not. France struggled because of their coach, just like Argentina. Put them in the right hands and they're one of the best teams in the world.

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  • 53. At 1:56pm on 19 Nov 2009, Bazil wrote:

    The fuss about this is getting a bit stupid.

    It was unfair, granted. But Henry didn't deny Ireland qualification, they were already hanging on for penalties which they may well have lost, and there was a decent amount of time left for France to score anyway. In fact, there was a decent amount of time for Ireland to get the second and win.

    But the main reason it's stupid is because it happens all the time. Referees get stuff wrong. This is not what Henry will be remmeber for anywhere outside Ireland. The Hand of God was in what, the World Cup semi-final or something? And this is qualification.

    I'm a Man Utd fan, but I reckon Chelsea going out to Barca in last year's Champs league semi is a greater injustice than this

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  • 54. At 1:56pm on 19 Nov 2009, TommyO wrote:

    36. At 1:45pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Didn´t they replay some Arsenal v Sheff Utd (?) cup game because of some dodgy goal scored after a throw in, unsportingly not thrown back to the other team or something like that?

    Yep - after a Steve Bruce tantrum threatening to pull his players off the pitch - funny how he didn't react the same way when his side scored an illegal goal off a beach ball a few weeks back....


    My guttedness for Ireland is tempered by the fact i know come next June/July they'll all be cheering on whoever England are playing and wont give a tinker's cuss if England exit the tournament in similar fashion.


    I don't agree with replaying the game though - that's not a deterrent to cheats, that just tells them - cheat and the worst case scenario is the game is replayed = still worth doing.

    They should just kick France out and put Ireland through. Maybe a fellow 'pro' might think twice before doing something similar?

    I'm all for ridiculous and outrageous precedents though. For instance - Alex Ferguson should get punched in the face every time he says the word 'referee' - and let's see how long he want's to carry on that little game...


    Finally - Robbo - you wanted a 5 game ban for Ngog - how much does this bit of cheating warrant do you reckon?

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  • 55. At 1:57pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    Tim said: "but you go back to some anchient dive AND STILL can't just say he cheated, you have to qualify it with some petty rubbish."

    petty rubbish? Hardly - what i pointed out was that it took a dive by Rooney (just because he tricked Campbell doesn't mean it wasn't a dive) to end a run stretched by god knows how many Pires pirouhettes. I accept that it was a dive by Rooney, because there was no actual contact. As I said, it is immaterial who does it, or what team. I despise cheating. Sure, it is more paletable when its your own team benefiting, but doesn't mean I don't want it removed or punished.

    As for Ronaldo, he is a classic case of assumed guilt because he tricked defenders so often, and ate so much grass. He went down easily at times, but more often it was because he was blocked or kicked.

    A handball is completely different, more blatent and cynical, no cleverness or trickery involved, and this one from Henry is as bad as it gets because of the circumstances. It may be understandable, because of the prize at stake, and less surprising because he's not building his rep anymore so cares less about the public's opinion.

    But it is ruining the game that referees - no doubt backed by FIFA's inaction - continue to fail to catch fairly obvious instances. We can accept, just, where they miss hard to spot things. But this wasn't. And so many aren't. And this failure to catch people who will get away with whatever they can allows them to push it further and further, more and more blatent as the old figure of authority is shown to be nothing more than an old man with bad eyesight.

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  • 56. At 1:58pm on 19 Nov 2009, paul wrote:

    I can't believe that a seasoned professional like Robson is accussing Henry of cheating. If Mr. Robson can remember his last days at Midlesbrough, and one of his players did what Henry had done, would he come up with such opinion?,I would like to here his opinion about England penalty againstArgentina in 2002 world cup again?

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  • 57. At 1:58pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    we're hearing a lot of: "well so and so would have done the same thing"

    great point! what are you people, like 11 years old?! "but mommy - he spit at me first!"

    what's embarassing for me, personally, is that i now realize i actually thought Henry was somehow in a different class from your average "sportsman" - too classy, too intelligent, too dignified to sink to this level.
    how silly of me... surely these guys have their sense of morality/ethics extracted at academy level.

    i feel sick.

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  • 58. At 1:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, AnalMcAnal wrote:

    Holloway2Holland

    If i rememeber correctly, Arsenal weren't forced to replay the game as they hadn't broken any rules. They accepted that their behaviour was massively unsporting and offered to replay the game.

    BojanglesOfOz

    It would be nice if France did the same but i don't think the authorities should intervene as every time a team lost a match because of a contentious decision they'd be calling for a replay - "Ireland and France got replayed..."

    Considering that the losing manager of practically every Premier league game seems to find something to blame the referee for then there'd be calls for replayed games every week. It would take 4 years to complete a Premier League season!

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  • 59. At 1:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    H2H,have the Dutch been playing the "A" team or given other players a run out?I know their qualifying group was a bit,well,easy(pace Scots),but they stormed through playing great footy.Shame about rvp as he's scored me loads of fantasy football points.

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  • 60. At 1:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Robbo why have you changed the headline from "Horrid Henry" Lawyers????

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  • 61. At 2:01pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Think we've become cross bloggers .. see last night :-)

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  • 62. At 2:02pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Get some perspective, mistakes happens EVERY week.
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    Mistakes are one thing. Cheating is a whole different thing. It is becoming more and more a part of football because people take the view that it is a mistake by the official for missing it. The fault lays squarely at the player that cheats.

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  • 63. At 2:03pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

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  • 64. At 2:03pm on 19 Nov 2009, adezaich wrote:

    Whatever the rights or wrongs of what occurred yesterday, the upshot is:
    Thierry Henry's status is devalued (unfortunate),
    another "top flight" referee and his assistants are devalued (regrettable),
    and following the late seeding process, by its continuing silence and attempts to pretend nothing happened, Fifa and all who sail in, with or around her are devalued (pretty much par for the course then).

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  • 65. At 2:04pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    Finally - Robbo - you wanted a 5 game ban for Ngog - how much does this bit of cheating warrant do you reckon?
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    There can be only one outcome. Henry should be banned from the World Cup.

    Of course there's more chance of Sr. Blatter et al praising English football clubs and giving all international revenue to charity than kicking Henry out of the WC or giving Ireland a replay.

    Lets be honest - the way the ref was acting, and the way France were failing to play any decent football, the game was always going to be given to France by a ref's decision. Amother Blatter boy doing his job.

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  • 66. At 2:06pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    el_nino_81 why have you attributed that to me?

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  • 67. At 2:06pm on 19 Nov 2009, Chris Charles wrote:

    60: followingborohurts: Afternoon FBH. It was me who changed the headline - thought it was a little misleading as Robbo was not saying he hated Henry, but was more than a little peeved at the player's actions.

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  • 68. At 2:07pm on 19 Nov 2009, Owls_Geezer wrote:

    26. At 1:34pm on 19 Nov 2009, Max Pears wrote:
    What you fail to recognise is that if you were in his position playing for your country and were close to being knocked out of the the WORLD CUP, you would do all you can to win the match!!

    AGREED? Cut him some slack

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    No not agreed, cheat to succeed? You a Leeds fan Max?

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  • 69. At 2:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Jacks - As Chris Lowe of the Pet Shop Boys is a season ticket & box holder at the Emirates and a die-hard Arsenal fan I call upon all Gooners to support the following campaign slogan

    PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

    (The record is actually called Christmas)

    as for Greg Lake he hasn't released any recent original studio mnaterials since 1994 according to Wikipedia whereas Tennant & Lowe have and even contributed a song called The performance of my life to Dame Shirley Bassesy's new album

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  • 70. At 2:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, happyGooner666 wrote:

    Well Congratulations Robbo! You have finally hit the tip of the ice berg! This is by far your most RIDICULOUS blog to date! You and everyone else needs to get over it!!! And are you seriously telling me that Dunne and Duff are better than Benzema and Ribery??? Have a word Robbo!!! Football isn't fair all the time, it never has been, and its things like this that for some make it cruel, and for others its just part of the beautiful game!

    Finally, how can you even suggest the Trappatoni is a better coach than Domenech? Trappatoni at club level was superb, but what ever anyone says about Domenech, he has taken his country to a world cup final...that by the way they were dreadfully unlucky to lose, so there you have it! Swings and roundabouts Robbo! Get over it! Thats football!

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  • 71. At 2:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, Dont_Burn_Me_Daddy wrote:

    ScotEggsRule: "last time I looked neither country liked us that much in the first place and the feeling is very much reciprocated"

    Would you like me to pick up your toys for you. They seem to have fallen out of your pram?

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  • 72. At 2:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, Chilli-Dog wrote:

    Robbie Keane didn't mind scoring the penalty which shouldn't have been given against Georgia. How many Irish players can honestly say that they have never cheated and got away with it (eg. pulling someone's shirt, claiming a corner when they knew it should be a goal kick)? It's a case of the pot calling the kettle black! Virtually all professional players try to cheat - and sometimes they get away with it...

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  • 73. At 2:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, Max Pears wrote:

    68 - No.

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  • 74. At 2:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    Fully agree Robbo

    I also dont get the whole debate - "oh well Ireland would have gone through if theyd taken their chances" excuse either. Sure if McShane could defend or Duff could finish then they might well have but it has no bearing on the incident in question.

    I think this is a great opportunity for FIFA to really tackle the issue as Henry himself has made it clear the underlying ethos which dictates this gamesmanship. FIFA MUST at least come out and condemn it even if they dont act on it.

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  • 75. At 2:10pm on 19 Nov 2009, BeyondThePale wrote:

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  • 76. At 2:11pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    74. At 2:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:
    Fully agree Robbo


    Now we know something big has happened! Anyone got a bible to hand?

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  • 77. At 2:11pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    It's a case of the pot calling the kettle black! Virtually all professional players try to cheat - and sometimes they get away with it...

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    And you are quite happy to pay to see them do that chilli?

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  • 78. At 2:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, AnalMcAnal wrote:

    Starfire_995

    France are 9th in the Fifa Rankings, Ireland are 34th.

    Ireland having a good qualifying campaign for the first time in a while doesn't suddenly make them better than France - They didn't even get more points from their 10 games.

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  • 79. At 2:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, fourleafmac wrote:

    I will never drink orange juice and lemonade again out of protest...

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  • 80. At 2:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Is it necessary for great French footballers to blot their copybooks with an act of outrageous rule-breaking?

    The mighty Zizou will be remembered first and foremost not for exquisite pirouettes, or the fact that he dwelt in a different time zone from any other player on the park, but for the moment when he changed from midfield matador to charging bull.

    Robbo, this is so boring. Zidane was not cheating, Materazzi was the villain. And you children with you 'France were FIFA's favorites', get over it.

    Finally, Ireland better than France? At what? Hurling?

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  • 81. At 2:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    ScotchEggsRule - I don't agree with Arsenal's reputation being tarnished either. In fact, both incidents (inncluding dive at 2006 WC) occurred after he left Arsenal. One could make the obvious connection that it was at Barcelona where he learned the ugly side of the game, having been taught at Arsenal to play the game the right way.

    And yes, it does happen all the time, but I have been holding on to the hope that there were more Henrys than Ronaldos. That the modern game still had a morality. Think Di Canio catching the ball instead of shooting into an empty net when the goalkeeper was injured. Now Henry has been shown to be an obvious cheat, I see little hope for the future, and academies across the world teaching kids the "inevitable" and "unfortunate" side of the game. What a shame.

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  • 82. At 2:13pm on 19 Nov 2009, Max Pears wrote:

    Listen, I'm not saying cheating is right, beause it's not. But if you were in his position and have a split second to think about what you should do about a ball flying at you and out of play, you are going to grab that oppurtunity. You ARE.

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  • 83. At 2:13pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Ok then Robbo, we should remember the dive that ended the Invincibles reign every time Wayne Rooney does something special for United!

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    Onion does anyway as does Denis

    an scotcheggsrul - I wouldn't know as I never look at her face anyway

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  • 84. At 2:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

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  • 85. At 2:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Chillidog said eg. pulling someone's shirt, claiming a corner when they knew it should be a goal kick)?
    Yeah absolutely - maybe thats why we need video feedback to 4th official - soon stop it if they cant get away with it!?!?!
    And whilst on rules - the one I hate is whenthe defender shields the ball so it will role out with absolutely no intention of playing it but solely stops the attacker from getting to the ball - frustrating and boring!!! (Unless its a boro player of course!!!)

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  • 86. At 2:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    35. At 1:42pm on 19 Nov 2009, Max Pears wrote:
    Robbo Robson mate, you can't seriously think Ireland are a better team!The french out class them in every department
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    Except in the small matter of creating chances and playing the game with a bit of morality, I agree.

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  • 87. At 2:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    I watched a bit of Sky Sports News at lunch (pot noodle again for those who keep up with my diet) and they had reaction from Paris... well the female journalist they were speaking to was lovely...

    Can't remeber what she said, but have a peep when you go home gents, sure sky will be there all day!

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  • 88. At 2:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, AnalMcAnal wrote:

    Bojangles,

    Because you said 'maybe the right precedence'.

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  • 89. At 2:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    ANd book players - even retrospectively for attempting to cheat the ref - it is amazing how many times the arms got up to claim a corner/goalkcik etc when it clearly isnt (ok pedants I know it has to be one of them but heope my point is made) ???

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  • 90. At 2:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, aka_bluepeter wrote:

    Forced by the hand of fate to persuade a wayward ball into stridant step and ergo the path of ones mate to grasp victory from the jaws of defeat. Victory secured at the expense of ones combatants.... who of course would never have dreamed of such skullduggery in order to grace that stage of which dreams are made, the World Cup.
    A few embrace these card tricks in football too readily...not Henry....though with sleight of hand and foot the most vigilant eyes might not see...he tricked the referee.
    Who can blame Henry....not me.

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  • 91. At 2:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Finally, Ireland better than France? At what? Hurling?

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    Yes and darts as well I suspect (and drive tarmaccing - joke btw))

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  • 92. At 2:17pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Very P.C. Mr Charles.(67) Looking forward to your take on events in tomorrows ROTW.

    Jacks, it was a bit of a mixture but the games were pretty bad.

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  • 93. At 2:18pm on 19 Nov 2009, Owls_Geezer wrote:

    78. At 2:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, el_nino_81 wrote:
    Starfire_995

    France are 9th in the Fifa Rankings, Ireland are 34th.

    Ireland having a good qualifying campaign for the first time in a while doesn't suddenly make them better than France - They didn't even get more points from their 10 games.

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    Rankings mean nothing, its just to see who's seeded thats all, Ireland did well in a group that wasn't so easy, and were topped by the current World Champions, fair enough Italy are having a bad spell but Ireland still did well.

    And to all the pro-henry fans on here (who mainly seem gunners), players do cheat, it is expected as you all pointed out, but in premiership games etc, not a game which means a whole country will be sitting at home for the World Cup, he deserves stick, it was a stupid game for him to cheat in as it wont be forgotton for a long while yet.

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  • 94. At 2:19pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    75. At 2:10pm on 19 Nov 2009, BeyondThePale wrote:
    Who cares?
    It's only the Irish.
    Why is it even being given airtime/web space by the BBC?
    Are they British?

    Good point - Im english and wanted Ireland to win - but not sure if that would be reciprocated. Is it media hype???? Possibly, but it is high profile and a worldclass player - hopefully the game will change as a result - video replays???

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  • 95. At 2:19pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    70. At 2:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, happyGooner666 wrote:
    "Finally, how can you even suggest the Trappatoni is a better coach than Domenech? Trappatoni at club level was superb, but what ever anyone says about Domenech, he has taken his country to a world cup final"

    Domenech is no managerial legend. He had a team of top players, every position strong. They still do, if not quite to the same level. Ireland don't, and yet should have gone through. It was a draw save for the obvious cheating. Is Scolari a legend, or has been shown up at club level (where the pressure and challenge is constant)?

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  • 96. At 2:20pm on 19 Nov 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    80. At 2:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
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    You seem to be incapable of seperating a good footballer from an act of cheating.

    Was it not just on the last blog that you were acusing Dunne of violent conduct and rough tackles yet Zidane is above it all?

    You also seem to be incapable of seperating the incident from the teams involved. Whether its France, Ireland, England, Germany it doesnt really matter. This kind of thing should be at the very least attempted to be stamped out rather than accepted or blamed on officials.

    Who cares if France are a better team than Ireland. They certainly were not on the night and thats when it mattered. Should we just award the World Cup to Spain right now?

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  • 97. At 2:21pm on 19 Nov 2009, Dont_Burn_Me_Daddy wrote:

    Red Blue Army: "well the female journalist they were speaking to was lovely..."

    What is the BBCs obsession with employing munters all about?

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  • 98. At 2:21pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Playing fair, Robbo? You choose one incident, with a huge amount at stake, and say this is enough to judge one player despite a career of genius. What about the violence committed by Dunne over the years, or Given not admitting to fouling Anelka for the potential penalty.

    Think Di Canio catching the ball instead of shooting into an empty net when the goalkeeper was injured. (FOR WEST HAM IN A MUCH MUCH SMALLER GAME)

    Think of him saluting the crowd in a fascist manner at Lazio. Or disrespecting the rules enough to shove a ref who disagreed with him.

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  • 99. At 2:21pm on 19 Nov 2009, freddawlanen wrote:

    Isn't it about time a player, manager, team, or federation sued FIFA, they wouldn't win of course, but at least they'd make the statement that, 'enough is enough'?

    Sooner or later a nutty fan somewhere will take action into his own hands and god help the rule makers then, especially if it's in a country where guns are readily available.

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  • 100. At 2:22pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

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  • 101. At 2:22pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    I have to agree woth Joseph (as i tend to do alot these days) if we just go on rankings, why are England even bothering to turn up...

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  • 102. At 2:22pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

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  • 103. At 2:23pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    63, well said Eggy, I totally agree, but I think this means that we won´t/can´t be friends with Denis (20) anymore.

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  • 104. At 2:24pm on 19 Nov 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    47. At 1:53pm on 19 Nov 2009, _ceiling_fan_ wrote:
    Hilarious.

    No, not Ireland going out, they were brilliant last night and I genuinely felt sorry for them.

    No, the reaction is hilarious. The outrage, the calls for video evidence or the match to be replayed (!), the word 'cheat' used, Keane claiming UEFA "got the result they wanted". There has been so much hysteria and such an outpouring of sympathy that I half expect a minute silence around the grounds at the weekend. Get some perspective, mistakes happens EVERY week.

    Robbo, compare and contrast the tone of this blog to 10 days ago when you were blasting Ferguson for complaining about decisions that went against his team in the match at Chelsea ('Time To Tell Fergie to Ref Off!'). You did a character assassination on Fergie for the whole blog and yet now, Dunne, Keane et al are portrayed as wounded heroes, with every right to complain at this absolute travesty. But while Ferguson was only guilty of highlighting poor decisions, the Irish imply an agenda and question the integrity of the officials which is far, far worse. I had a feeing you wouldn't be reporting it as such though, rather you choose to focus on the injustice they're complaining about. Hmm, funny that.

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    Well done for being the first defender of Fergie's reputation on a blog about France. There's a difference. Not a big one, I grant you. My point in the previous blog was that Fergie uses ref-bashing as a distraction from the poor quality or result of his team. United's defeat is the fault of the officials, (almost)every time. And I was bit fed up of hearing it, especially as he never berates them when they give a dodgy decision in United's favour. Of course he's not the only one. It only illustrates the double standards operating in football these days.
    I think if the officials get flak for this, as Henry is indicating, then shame on the game. Henry's the villain here not the ref and linesmen. They made a mistake. He was just plain deceitful. I hope he goes and stands in a corner for a fortnight to think it over.

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  • 105. At 2:24pm on 19 Nov 2009, used2beprofi wrote:

    you are right, it's time for more fairness even if it's only the irish, bojangles. but england and ireland are not the only victims. there will always be an element of this. maybe if enough attention is paid something will be done. but it's wrong to blame the players who only look to do their job. henry is pure class and to put him in the category w/ maradona over that kind of a handball is wrong from where i sit...

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  • 106. At 2:25pm on 19 Nov 2009, AnalMcAnal wrote:

    I was gutted for Ireland last night until i woke up this morning and realised that, come the summer, when we (England) go out on penalties in the quarter finals they'll be laughing their asses off along with the Welsh and Scots.....errr...and Argentina....and France.....and Germany....and Iraq! We're not very popular are we?

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  • 107. At 2:26pm on 19 Nov 2009, mambo wrote:

    I think that 'JUMPIN ON THE BANDWAGON' by THE BLOGGERS is a cert for the BBC Christmas number one....

    Henry cheated, yes, but I would be amazed if any top player (even Irish) could put his hand on his wallet and swear by everything he worships, to never trying to cheat.

    Cheating in football is as natural as kids weeing in the swimming pool, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth, but will never be stopped..


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  • 108. At 2:27pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    I think if the officials get flak for this, as Henry is indicating, then shame on the game. Henry's the villain here not the ref and linesmen. They made a mistake. He was just plain deceitful.
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    That's what I have been trying to say Robbo. You put it much more eloquently.

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  • 109. At 2:28pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    captainlazytim - why should it matter if it was a lesser game? Lesson: you shouldn't cheat...unless its really important - ?!

    Although I totally take your point on Di Canio's behaviour apart from that incident. But didnt he gain redemption with that catch? At least a little anyway!

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  • 110. At 2:29pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    henry is pure class and to put him in the category w/ maradona over that kind of a handball is wrong from where i sit..

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    That is exactly where he belongs.

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  • 111. At 2:30pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #97 - I guess they are worried that Harriet Harperson will take away teh licence fee if they don't - maybe they should sign up Carmen Electra to read the news

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  • 112. At 2:31pm on 19 Nov 2009, collie21 wrote:

    Hey BeyondThePale, if you don't like the Irish why do you take a name that originated on that Island?

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  • 113. At 2:32pm on 19 Nov 2009, Owls_Geezer wrote:

    109. At 2:28pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:
    captainlazytim - why should it matter if it was a lesser game? Lesson: you shouldn't cheat...unless its really important - ?!

    Although I totally take your point on Di Canio's behaviour apart from that incident. But didnt he gain redemption with that catch? At least a little anyway!

    Agree Tom, unfortunately Di Canio did all his crazy $hit at Hillsborough and then left us to gain redemption at West Ham, ah well, he could still do some amazing tricks with a footy.

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  • 114. At 2:32pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    You seem to be incapable of seperating a good footballer from an act of cheating.

    Was it not just on the last blog that you were acusing Dunne of violent conduct and rough tackles yet Zidane is above it all?

    Yes. He wasn't attempting to gain an advantage, but responding to an insult given out of the context of the game. It isn't cheating, but it is foul play. And unlike Dunne, he wasn't cheating to compensate for a lack of talent.

    And if you think i'm incapable of seperating the team from the incident, that is amusing. I personally think that this wouldn't have been an issue half as much if it had gone in Ireland's favour. Then Liam Brady says 'oh, if this happened to France then it'd be a replay'.

    Finally, there are people trying to stamp this out. Ref's, new laws and retrospective bans have all been introduced/improved to attempt to sort this sort of thing out. Just the bleating is so tedious. So you lost. That's it, it isn't always fair, but why should Ireland get another chance. Shall we let Robbie Keane and Duff take those chances again and again until they score? No. Get over it. It isn't because the ref was 'under pressure to help France', or because of a FIFA conspiracy.

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  • 115. At 2:32pm on 19 Nov 2009, Mark wrote:

    I'm sure that Raul scored a blatent goal about five years ago with his hand from a corner playing for Real Madrid. The goal stood from what I can remember and Raul got banned for a few games after the video was reviewed. If this is so shouldnt Henry be banned for a few games aswell?

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  • 116. At 2:33pm on 19 Nov 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    107. At 2:26pm on 19 Nov 2009, mambohammer wrote:
    I think that 'JUMPIN ON THE BANDWAGON' by THE BLOGGERS is a cert for the BBC Christmas number one....

    Henry cheated, yes, but I would be amazed if any top player (even Irish) could put his hand on his wallet and swear by everything he worships, to never trying to cheat.

    Cheating in football is as natural as kids weeing in the swimming pool, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth, but will never be stopped..

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    This argument is driving me bloody mad, people! A whole collection of twerps shrugging their shoulders and going 'so what? everyone cheats'. I dunno whether there's many of us left who think that appraoching a game of footy with a bit of blinking honesty and integrity is the least we can bleeding well ask for.
    As for your comparison, mambohammer, I'm not taking my grandkid down the pool when your relatives are polluting the shallow end.

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  • 117. At 2:33pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    Hey BeyondThePale, if you don't like the Irish why do you take a name that originated on that Island?
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    HAHAHAHAHA! Oh the irony. Well played Collie!!

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  • 118. At 2:34pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #109 - I'm surprised that the ref didn't book him for handball (also did tehy win that game because if not I wonder what the manager said in the dressing room afterwards)

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  • 119. At 2:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    115. At 2:32pm on 19 Nov 2009, Mark wrote:
    I'm sure that Raul scored a blatent goal about five years ago with his hand from a corner playing for Real Madrid. The goal stood from what I can remember and Raul got banned for a few games after the video was reviewed. If this is so shouldnt Henry be banned for a few games aswell?

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    Who gives a fig what happened to Raul? Of course Henry should get a 5-match ban.

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  • 120. At 2:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, Andrew wrote:

    Carmen Electra reading the news followed by Lisa Gallagher doing the weather?

    My curtains would be forever drawn.

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  • 121. At 2:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #120 - Why not Carmen Electra doing Lisa Gallagher followed by the weather

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  • 122. At 2:38pm on 19 Nov 2009, AnalMcAnal wrote:

    What happened last night happened in a split second. Henry didn't have time to hold a board meeting to discuss the moral rights and wrongs or the consequences.

    I suspect that keeping the ball in with his hand was an instinctive reaction at an increasingly desperate time.

    I haven't been in the same situation so i don't know how i'd react.

    Perhaps that sort of instinctive reaction is that of a dirty cheat. Or, perhaps he's a good honest pro who's just suffered from a split second moment of madness.

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  • 123. At 2:39pm on 19 Nov 2009, collie21 wrote:

    I am Irish I accept the result last night.
    I don't want a replay, I couldn't handle it to be honest.
    However all those banging on about cheating here are the ones who bang on still a la Terry Butcher about Maradona's hand of God.

    Why the Irish are sickened is that clearly there is an agenda at FIFA. That has nothing to do with last nights match. But when you see the way the rules for the play offs were changed at the last minute, and that Ireland were the only minnow to play at home first, then the goal last night, it's hard not to feel aggrieved.

    I would have prefered we lost to a classy goal or on penalties. Loosing like that leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
    However if the English can bang on for over 20 years about Maradona, then the Irish can bang on for over 20 hours about Henry. Get over it put up with it, because god alone knows we put up with your moaning since 1966.

    If you watched the match, Ireland played France off the park.

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  • 124. At 2:40pm on 19 Nov 2009, collie21 wrote:

    Oh and one more thing and then I am done, if you condone cheating it speaks volumes about the type of person you are. If you think everyone is as crooked as yourself you are in for a shock someday.

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  • 125. At 2:40pm on 19 Nov 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    114. At 2:32pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
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    No Im sorry there is not nearly enough being done to stamp it out as the Eduardo incident was bottled as I expect this will be aswell. Its simply common sense that FIFA want the biggest teams at the World Cup and the biggest stars. Can you not comprehend this. The ref has nothing to do with this - he made a mistake thats all. But FIFA will be far more happy to see Henry and co in the world cup than the likes of Glenn Whelan.

    Your points of "if it wasnt Ireland there would be no fuss, Dunne fouls to make up for lack of talent" are completely irrelevant to the incident that happened. It makes no difference whether it was Dunne, Keane, Henry, Rooney or whoever that did it. Neither does it matter that Ireland missed a couple of chances. Your position seems to be well it happens all the time and its only big deal because it happened to Ireland. No one is shouting conspiricay theories they are shouting that Henry cheated and that gamesmanship like this needs to be tackled.

    Lets see what FIFAs comments on the incident are - my guess very little.

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  • 126. At 2:40pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Interestingly, the best team doesnt always win a footy game ... thats one of its attractions. H2H et al - boro v goons fa cup semi when festa scored own goal - we were class. But havin mosts shots possession and clearances off the line is one thing - tough but bearable - but to lose to a cheat or avoidable reffing error is harder to take - video replays and (sorry to say) retrospective bans etc has to be the way ... there is toomuch at stake

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  • 127. At 2:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    109. At 2:28pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:
    captainlazytim - why should it matter if it was a lesser game? Lesson: you shouldn't cheat...unless its really important - ?!

    all i'm saying is there are plenty of incidents like this, but because Ireland are so good at the 'wounded minority' act this has become massive news.

    and no, di Canio did not redeem himself, as i accept that footballers want to win, and therefore saying 'so-and-so is a terrible person and we are poor little lambs' is retarded. they are footballers, and what they do on the pitch is football, not life.

    i don't buy the argument that another player would have acted differently, and no-one can prove that anyway.

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  • 128. At 2:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Captain lazy tim wrote:

    Finally, there are people trying to stamp this out. Ref's, new laws and retrospective bans have all been introduced/improved to attempt to sort this sort of thing out. Just the bleating is so tedious. So you lost. That's it, it isn't always fair, but why should Ireland get another chance. Shall we let Robbie Keane and Duff take those chances again and again until they score? No. Get over it. It isn't because the ref was 'under pressure to help France', or because of a FIFA conspiracy.

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    Agreed. It's not a FIFA conspiracy - it really looks like one, but it isn't. But you can't seriously be arguing that we should just shrug and say nowt, or that Henry shouldn't get some retrospective punishment from the authorities?

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  • 129. At 2:42pm on 19 Nov 2009, Bunburyist wrote:

    If cheating is cheating, why do we only get the righteous indignation articles like this (and on the back of every other red top today) for diving and hand ball, and when it's done by foreigners? Can you imagine John Terry getting an article all to himself for his regular shirt-pulling antics? Can you imagine Wayne Rooney being the sole object of journalistic opprobrium for a column in this country when he dives? Of course not. The selective criticism in this country (and only for certain kinds of cheating) makes opinions like Robbo's fairly meaningless. Bleat on. Nobody outside of this small myopic island cares.

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  • 130. At 2:42pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    Perhaps that sort of instinctive reaction is that of a dirty cheat. Or, perhaps he's a good honest pro who's just suffered from a split second moment of madness.
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    Yes el_nino_81 he could have been forgiven for the handball, a "split second moment of madness", but not for the celebration and complete lack of culpability and remorse. Compare Henry's celebration to Adebayor's goal celebration against Arsenal - at what point should he have come clean, or at least stopped celebrating? Its an easy comparison between their celebrations and neither comes out with any dignity.

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  • 131. At 2:43pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #1233 collie - it was 1986

    we won in 1966

    And Joe Lets see what FIFAs comments on the incident are - my guess very little.

    Their comments will be as follows -

    phew our marketing guys were in a right panic til that went in

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  • 132. At 2:43pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    71. At 2:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, Dont_Burn_Me_Daddy wrote:
    Would you like me to pick up your toys for you. They seem to have fallen out of your pram?
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    Hilarious, with your rapier like wit,cutting edge sattire, intelligent observations I forsee a great and long career ahead for you in stand up!

    Are you telling me that not one Irishman laughed when we didn't qualify for the world cup or the Euro's? I was laughing my backside off last night as I couldn't care who went thorugh and at least it has given us all something to discuss. The fate of two national sides to which I have no allegience means anythign that happnes can be taken purely as a point in interest. The fact the Irish players would of done the same means they can whinge all they want they are not morally superior just they never had the chance to do what Henry did, which was to cheat and get away witrh it.

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  • 133. At 2:43pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    We need more cameras in the game, all the way around the barrier (it wouldn't interfere with advertising) that way when an incident happens you could replay it from all angles and have replays like ITVs hit show The Cube... (or the Matrix).

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  • 134. At 2:44pm on 19 Nov 2009, Dont_Burn_Me_Daddy wrote:

    To penalise players for gaining an attacking advantage by banning them, then surely the same must be applied to defenders who illegally prevent goals being scored as per the maestro of deceiving refs, Mr Handball/Sithe you down John Terry.

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  • 135. At 2:44pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    97. At 2:21pm on 19 Nov 2009, Dont_Burn_Me_Daddy wrote:
    Red Blue Army: "well the female journalist they were speaking to was lovely..."
    What is the BBCs obsession with employing munters all about?
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    We all think Robbo's lovely.......in his own special way!

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  • 136. At 2:44pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Adam,"I Believe in Father Christmas" is a classic of it's genre.great video,based on a theme from Prokofiev.what's not to like.Now,H2H referred to me as a closet gooner(I've forgiven him) so come on gooners don't put the pet shop boys number one think of classic bygone days,then after dreaming about Liam Brady put Grg Lake first.you know it makes sense
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  • 137. At 2:45pm on 19 Nov 2009, RobyGerrard wrote:

    3 cheers for Robbo - I like to read all of your blogs & this has got to be the best ever.
    Everything you say above confirms why I have fallen out of love with football - my favourite sport is now Rugby League & I'd even rather watch the Kick & Clap.
    Football is sick - will it get better? Do I really care now.
    As Mr Valdano once said "siht on a stick is still siht on a stick" however much you dress it up!

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  • 138. At 2:46pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    128. At 2:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Agreed. It's not a FIFA conspiracy - it really looks like one, but it isn't.
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    Really Robbo? Really?! Have the Beeb told you what to say on this matter? Have you been silenced by the Blatter boys as well?

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  • 139. At 2:47pm on 19 Nov 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    Robbo this seems to be one of those rare occaisions where Im more or less in total agreement with you.

    I dont understand the whole - "all players do it", "its only Ireland, France are better anyway", "Robbie Keane would have done it" - this is the problem and why this keeps happening. Everyone from Managers to commentators to fans seem to be excusing it on the basis that others would do the same or worse, that Henry is so talented hes above it all. Hes not cheating - hes being clever. Look how honest he was after the game. Its nonsense. Advocaating that kind of stuff does lasting damage to the image and future way the sport is played.

    Yes it happens every week in England and more often than not nothing happens. What makes this more intersting than the standard Drogba dives more than Gerrard debate is that its happened in a high profile international game with a massive prize at stake and its on FIFAs watch. If they ever needed a golden chance to really tackle the problem this is it - yet their summary of the match on their own website fails to even mention the handball let alone comment on it.

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  • 140. At 2:47pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    But Jacks Chris Lowe is one of Ian Wright's best mates and he knows Lee Dixon extremely well (eats a lot in Lee's restaurant in Little Venice) - how can you argue with such Arsenal legends.

    Once again I imlore you to see reason lest Simon Cowell sneak in

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  • 141. At 2:47pm on 19 Nov 2009, J Boswell wrote:

    Henry had a duty to cheat. If he hadn't acted in such a disgraceful manner, Sepp Blatter's original act of equally disgraceful cheating - miraculously pulling that seeding idea out of his, ahem, hat to better get the "big teams" through - likely would have been for naught. Henry has now joined the Unethical Immortals, that pantheon of the Ethically Challenged, that Holy Trinity of Cheats: Blatter, Maradona, Henry. Enjoy the ambrosia enroute to your early group stage exit, Thierry...you *earned* it.

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  • 142. At 2:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, Little_Scouse_on_the_Prairie wrote:

    Henry may not be the referee, but as a player you have an obligation to try and play within the rules. All players push, some break it, and some flat out cheat. Thierry Henry cheated, plain and simple.

    While his act was diabolical I take comfort from the fact that nobody will look at him the same again. Zizou did not taint his legend while he was playing, because it was virtually his last competitive match, plus it was an act of aggression, not cheating.

    Another player to think of in the same situation that has not been mentioned is Rivaldo. Brilliant player, but after his pathetic antics at the World Cup in 2002, he lost all respect from players and managers in the football community. Henry will endure the same fate.

    Henry will be playing MLS within 2 years because in America every screw-up gets a second chance. Plus even though they have Beckham the league needs someone like Henry to lend a hand.

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  • 143. At 2:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    127. At 2:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    109. At 2:28pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:
    captainlazytim - why should it matter if it was a lesser game? Lesson: you shouldn't cheat...unless its really important - ?!

    all i'm saying is there are plenty of incidents like this, but because Ireland are so good at the 'wounded minority' act this has become massive news.

    and no, di Canio did not redeem himself, as i accept that footballers want to win, and therefore saying 'so-and-so is a terrible person and we are poor little lambs' is retarded. they are footballers, and what they do on the pitch is football, not life.

    i don't buy the argument that another player would have acted differently, and no-one can prove that anyway.

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    Ermm where to start, mate?

    Not sure where you get the idea of legions of Irish folk playing the 'wounded minority'. It's massive news cos Henry had the reputation of being an honorable bloke. It's massive news cos the underdogs lost when they were the better team. It's massive news cos of the belated seeding process for the play-offs.

    Oh and I don't buy the idea that another player would've acted any differently either... which is why I'm getting so narked by the people who play the best game in the world. Not a scruple amongst the whole damn lot of them.

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  • 144. At 2:50pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Joe/Robbo

    Cheating is like the X-Factor, Big Brother, I'm A Celebrity and a Greg Lake Christmas number 1

    JUST PLAIN WRONG AND INEXCUSABLE

    Players should be honest, have integrity, ethics and good manners and embody all that is good about life.

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  • 145. At 2:50pm on 19 Nov 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    139. At 2:47pm on 19 Nov 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:
    Robbo this seems to be one of those rare occaisions where Im more or less in total agreement with you.

    I dont understand the whole - "all players do it", "its only Ireland, France are better anyway", "Robbie Keane would have done it" - this is the problem and why this keeps happening. Everyone from Managers to commentators to fans seem to be excusing it on the basis that others would do the same or worse, that Henry is so talented hes above it all. Hes not cheating - hes being clever. Look how honest he was after the game. Its nonsense. Advocaating that kind of stuff does lasting damage to the image and future way the sport is played.

    Yes it happens every week in England and more often than not nothing happens. What makes this more intersting than the standard Drogba dives more than Gerrard debate is that its happened in a high profile international game with a massive prize at stake and its on FIFAs watch. If they ever needed a golden chance to really tackle the problem this is it - yet their summary of the match on their own website fails to even mention the handball let alone comment on it.

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    Ditto, Joe, mate. Ditto.

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  • 146. At 2:51pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    No one is shouting conspiricy theories they are shouting that Henry cheated and that gamesmanship like this needs to be tackled.

    Other than Robbie Keane? And Joe, why is what makes FIFA happy relevant if they don't act on it. This is just conjecture, and with no evidence. If you aren't saying FIFA did anything, then don't mention what you think they might want.

    Don't give me this 'you are incapable of comprehending' rubbish, Joe. My position is that this is the game. Not 'today's game' but THE game. Since football started cheating has existed. People who like to crow about Diego like to forget the many attempts to cripple him throughout his career, or Butcher's attempted fouls all through that game. The objective is to win, not to play fair. This is very simple sport philosophy.

    I do not subscribe to the view that everyone else doing it makes it alright, but i do get annoyed that people choose on tiny incident to focus on. He did what he did in about the 113th minute, so while it was cheating it was hardly crucial, with 119 other minutes available for Ireland to score in.

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  • 147. At 2:51pm on 19 Nov 2009, mobhodannsdobheul wrote:

    Don't get angry. It is a sport run by disgusting people and something the media obsesses over, which creates the cycle of pantomime bull**** we get 365 days a year. Football is to sport what Jodie Marsh is to society. It thrives on ostentatious overexposure and controversy. This incident is the latest twist to get football back into the limelight when none of the PROPER home nations nor any Premiership teams are playing.

    The players behave like children on the pitch, there's a photo of about 6 Irish players bawling their heads off at the referee; something that is common in football and absolutely disgraceful. Football has a culture surrounding it of lying and cheating. The most innocuous challenge produces a massive charade; you'd think players are in agony when in fact they've just fallen over. Then of course if you lose or are disciplined, its never your own fault, always the referee's.

    Off the field too, almost everyone involved in football behaves like an absolute ****hole. There are the obvious ones who are widely portrayed as villains, like Ronaldo and Ca$hley, but even players with great reputations like Gerrard and Terry are money-grabbing cheats just like the rest of them. There's enough hypocrisy in football to fill this column: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/nov/15/said-and-done-premier-league every week.

    Fans too are appalling. They may be more passionate than a rugby crowd, but I'd take less passion, no violence and being able to sit anywhere in the stadium ahead of the pathetic tribal conflicts you get in football. Organised hooliganism and racism may be out of the game on the surface, but I know people who've stopped buying season tickets because there are scuffles and fights outside the ground that go unreported, and there is racism inside the ground that goes unreported.

    Football, as played in the park and playground, is a wonderful sport. The professional game has its moments. But you cannot look at it sensibly and say it's not pathetic.

    Also, why does the 'injustice' done to a foreign nation feature so much on the British Broadcasting Corporation's website? What do the British care?

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  • 148. At 2:51pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Right,if we are bringing famous fans into it Emerson,Lake and Palmer can boast Danny Baker,Top Gear and Jim Davidson.no,hang on,scratch that one as it defeats my argument.I too wish Simon Cowell would disappear up his own waistline,but I beg you,implore and beseech you,not those 80's nurks.
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  • 149. At 2:55pm on 19 Nov 2009, TommyO wrote:

    Just think if Gary Neville released a Christmas single adam's head would explode


    we can but dream.......

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  • 150. At 2:55pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    43. At 2:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Ermm where to start, mate?

    Not sure where you get the idea of legions of Irish folk playing the 'wounded minority'. It's massive news cos Henry had the reputation of being an honorable bloke. It's massive news cos the underdogs lost when they were the better team. It's massive news cos of the belated seeding process for the play-offs.

    Oh and I don't buy the idea that another player would've acted any differently either... which is why I'm getting so narked by the people who play the best game in the world. Not a scruple amongst the whole damn lot of them.
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    Now this I agree with you totally and you sum up how I feel very well. But did you really not see the obvious conspiracy in last night's ref? Not just that incident but all night. Why wasn't Anelka booked for the most blatant dive (in extra time)? How many fouls were given to France in comparison with Ireland? (anyone got the stat?) It seemed to me as obvious as the refs displays for South Korea against Italy and Spain in the last world cup.

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  • 151. At 2:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    It seemed to me as obvious as the refs displays for South Korea against Italy and Spain in the last world cup.
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    sorry - I meant 2002 WC not the last one

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  • 152. At 2:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    Ginger, How much fake blood has been spilled on the rugby field lately.

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  • 153. At 2:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, Bangforyourbuck wrote:

    From an Irish point of view, I'm gutted, it was a disgrace etc etc etc.

    But from an English point of view I'm ecstatic! Not because I have some misplaced dislike of a neighbouring nation, but because we, along with 31 other nations, should be relishing the prospect of facing France at the finals! Based on their performances over the two legs, and the struggles in qualifying, we'll be able to wipe the floor with them! Ireland created several clear-cut opportunities, and a nation with more of a killer instinct will hammer them.

    I wouldn't be surprised if their performance in South Africa emulates their 2002 accomplishment. So thanks Thierry! We appreciate it.

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  • 154. At 3:00pm on 19 Nov 2009, fourleafmac wrote:

    Apparently Peter Kay is on Radio 1 tomorrow morning with a huge announcement - maybe Geraldine is aiming for the Christmas Number 1!

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  • 155. At 3:00pm on 19 Nov 2009, PotterN07 wrote:

    " It´s up to FIFA, and not the players to do something about this "

    So I can steal everything in sight ,it's up to the Police to catch me .

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  • 156. At 3:01pm on 19 Nov 2009, Eddy Cordoza wrote:

    104. Robbo Robson
    "Well done for being the first defender of Fergie's reputation on a blog about France. "

    I must say, I do feel a burning sense of Irish injustice that I am the first person you have ever singled out for talking 'off topic'!

    But actually I wasn't really defending Fergie, rather highlighting how differently one injustice is portrayed to another. It's easy to back the Irish and criticise Fergie's 'tantrums' but it only really goes to prove that a travesty is only really a travesty when it happens against the club you are supporting.

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  • 157. At 3:02pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Thanks TommyO,I've just about avoided spitting coffee everywhere!!

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  • 158. At 3:02pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Robbo - never mentioned 'legions', but if you'd seen the post-match interviews then you'd know that the Irish were pretty vocal, Brady even asking for a replay as if that was normal.

    And no, i wouldn't personally punish Henry, and i never had him down as a good guy, having watched him and Pires floating above the Highbury pitch for years, occasionally crashing down, sometimes even under contact.

    The answer, if you really care so much about this, is to help the ref get it right on the night. If he'd spotted the handball, given a yellow, and Ireland had lost on pens, no-one would care. MORE IMPORTANTLY, if Ireland had won then the press wouldn't have said 'oh, the ref cost France the game by not giving a pen'.

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  • 159. At 3:03pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    I see Tommy is back with his usual lack of razor sharp wit and intelligent comment

    The Americans view cheating at sports as one of the worst things you can do - If anyone has seen the film The Longest Yard you will know what I mean. Was the CD Stevie G wanted playing by the DJ that led to an appointment in HM Courts a Christmas single attempt that should never have seen teh light of day - who knows but imagine at the moment - all is calm Paul McKenna is telling you to focus

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  • 160. At 3:03pm on 19 Nov 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    146. At 2:51pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
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    Look my point on FIFA is that they will bottle this opportunity to come out and say what Henry did was wrong, let alone do anything about it when I think this is a prime chance to do so. Not least to take some heat of the ref. By saying nothing, they will whether intentionally or not, justify and advocaat Henrys comments and actions. Just like they did with Eduardo. This goes beyond the whole cheating has always been present sort of stance as its essentially turning your back on what is blatant gamesmanship.

    The prize at stake for this game was huge. For many Irsih players the only chance they will have to play a World Cup in all honesty. Saying they had a whole 180 minutes to go through doesnt mean anything to me and has no bearing on the incident. YEs they missed chances but that doesnt make what happened right.

    FIFA arent bribing refs or riggging matches but you have to understand that its in their interests to see the bigger nations go through. That was the rationale behind seeding the draw. They want stars like Ronaldo, Henry, Anelka, Benzema etc to be there.

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  • 161. At 3:03pm on 19 Nov 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Good stuff Robbo but worrying beyond belief that there are so many "so what, get over it comments."

    Denis, it's all getting a bit much, all this agreeing with every word you type!

    TH's legacy is forever tarnished and this suddenly becomes the most memorable moment of his career, very sad for him and for football.

    They should reply the game in South Africa as a curtain raiser, winner stays, loser goes home. Of course TH won't be eligible as he'll be serving the first game of his ban.

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  • 162. At 3:05pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    "The objective is to win, not to play fair. This is very simple sport philosophy. "

    If that IS the philosophy, then it needs to be changed. Does that mean "get away with taking drugs if you can?"

    Maybe its just the old English approach - if you can't win playing fair, then accept defeat with a stiff upper lip. I'd rather lose but keep my moral compass intact.

    And if most people on here cheated in a game that matter rather than the kick about in the park, i'm sure we'd feel more than a little embarrassed. Footballers in the main seem to have lost that.

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  • 163. At 3:05pm on 19 Nov 2009, PotterN07 wrote:

    " Robbo Robson mate, you can't seriously think Ireland are a better team!The french out class them in every department "

    Certainly could give the Irish a lesson or two in cheating .

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  • 164. At 3:05pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    154. At 3:00pm on 19 Nov 2009, fourleafmac wrote:
    Apparently Peter Kay is on Radio 1 tomorrow morning with a huge announcement - maybe Geraldine is aiming for the Christmas Number 1!

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    More likely an unfortunately timed Susan Boyle or Little Holly Christmas song that will be played to death

    or worse - Sir Cliff Richard

    PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

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  • 165. At 3:06pm on 19 Nov 2009, Phil wrote:

    I want to say something about the ref and linesman THEY DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE. Really, they didn't. They did NOTHING wrong. How can they make a mistake when they didn't see a handball? There were bodies in the way and it was impossible for them to see. You cant give a handball just cos Given says its a handball, you need to see it for yourself! I feel terribly sorry for the ref who had an excellent game and made almost every call correctly. There were plenty of cheats on the pitch last night. Anelka's dive for the penalty and Keane handballed it every other touch!!! Its just a crying shame that the linesman was on the far side of the pitch, it was only him who could have seen it had he been on the near side, as Henrys body and those of other defenders and attackers obstructed the ref.

    If France offer a replay, then great, replay the game. But they need to offer it, FIFA wont make that call.

    Henry NEEDS to be banned. Automatic 3 game ban from the World Cup. Simple as that. Im pretty sure i remember Raul getting banned retrospectively for Madrid for a blatant handball goal against Leeds in Champs League. He cannot get away with it. Its not the French teams fault and they should carry no guilt whatsoever, its all Mr Henry the little weasel.

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  • 166. At 3:06pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    107. At 2:26pm on 19 Nov 2009, mambohammer wrote:
    Cheating in football is as natural as kids weeing in the swimming pool, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth, but will never be stopped..
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    That sir, is a world class analogy!

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  • 167. At 3:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, shevabk2milan wrote:

    In an ideal world i believe it would have been good for Henry to have admitted the handball to the ref and leave the ref to make that decision from there on. That wont happen. So video tech is ESSENTIAL. That wont happen either whilst the corrupt few sit at the top of the FIFA tree. But video tech and honesty issues aside, Ireland - you HAD your chance to win the tie by 2 or 3 - bejesus you did. Why on God's earth did you not Score them?

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  • 168. At 3:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, Mike wrote:

    Despite all that happened last night, I doubt France will do well in the WC and probably will struggle to qualify for the knock out rounds.

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  • 169. At 3:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

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  • 170. At 3:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:

    is to help the ref get it right on the night
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    You are determined to put the onus on the referee Captain. Surely you can see that the player is responsible for his actions. Just because the referee doesn't see the incident, does not make the player concerned any less a cheat.

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  • 171. At 3:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    The problem with M.Henry is that he will cop some flack over here for a day or two then it's all blown over and France have still qualified.This is a great opportunity for FIFA to do something to prevent a terrible miscarriage of justice.They could ban anyone called the pet shop boys from getting to number one at Christmas.After that they should introduce a retrospective review of all games that require it and act accordingly with no right to appeal.Even if it means chucking France out as banning Henry is no big deal if the French still qualify.Introduce technology properly then don't bottle it like the Eduardo incident.

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  • 172. At 3:11pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    comment #169.I agree entirely with you on that.

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  • 173. At 3:11pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #165 - The referee & linesman did make a mistake by not being in a position to see it. If the linesman was unsighted then teh ref should take up a position that allows him to see the areas obscured by players.

    Also the fact that 2 France players were offside and the flag didn't go up points to a mistake from teh rtef and linesman.

    Is a coincidence really a coincidence or an unidentified conspiracy


    PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

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  • 174. At 3:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, Lokacious wrote:

    RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
    I watched a bit of Sky Sports News at lunch (pot noodle again for those who keep up with my diet) and they had reaction from Paris... well the female journalist they were speaking to was lovely...

    Can't remeber what she said, but have a peep when you go home gents, sure sky will be there all day!

    +++++++++++++

    Who said women shouldn't get jobs in TV...

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  • 175. At 3:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    adam, think for a second. do you know about the bans for performence enhancing drugs handed out in baseball, the USA's national pastime?

    The Americans view cheating at sports as one of the worst things you can do...

    is not true. they view losing as worse.

    162. At 3:05pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:
    "The objective is to win, not to play fair. This is very simple sport philosophy. "

    If that IS the philosophy, then it needs to be changed. Does that mean "get away with taking drugs if you can?"

    so what would the point be then, Gen, if not to win. To have fun? To meet new people?

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  • 176. At 3:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Robbo,

    you seem surprised at the general lack of moral outrage from most bloggers on here!
    unfortunately, cheating has been a frequent topic this season, and we constantly get people like LazyTim/ScotchEggs etc. who try to excuse it from various angles like "you'd do the same" or "the Irish hate us - so screw it" or "it's nothing new" ... it's moral relativism, and it's quite sad, really.

    someone mentioned Immanuel Kant's "categorical imperatives" late last night, which can be nutshelled into "right is right, wrong is wrong regardless of the situation/consequences" - very few people seem to be able to wrap their heads around this very simple principle, and it's undeniably damaging the game. evidently they're not teaching this stuff in schools anymore.

    it's nice to hear about exceptions like the Di Canio thing, Arshavin, or the Arsenal replay, but these are in the extreme minority - kind of like bloggers who can be bothered about cheating!

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  • 177. At 3:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    123. At 2:39pm on 19 Nov 2009, collie21 wrote:
    However if the English can bang on for over 20 years about Maradona, then the Irish can bang on for over 20 hours about Henry. Get over it put up with it, because god alone knows we put up with your moaning since 1966.
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    Am I so glad your team is not going to teh world cup, I know which set of players I'd rather be watching and they won't be wearing green thats for sure. we also won't have tp put up with the "Irish are the greatest fans" "brightening up this world cup" ctrap that the totally unoriginal commentators come out with, like saying the Newcastle fans are the best in the world (generally coming from Newcastle fans), really? Fact is "that" handball cost us a possible final place at the world cup we could of won, your poor refereeing/cheating decision only stopped you getting slapped by far superior teams at the world cup and you saved yourself a couple of Euro's so now you don't have to go.

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  • 178. At 3:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    172. At 3:11pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:
    comment #169.I agree entirely with you on that.


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    I had typed PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE for #169 -

    Nice to have your agreement

    As the Pet Shop Boys had a number one in Christmas 1987 a precedent has already been set and as this is their first Christmas time record since then it should also reach number one.

    PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

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  • 179. At 3:15pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    169: Adam speechless well i never!

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  • 180. At 3:15pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    127. At 2:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    all i'm saying is there are plenty of incidents like this, but because Ireland are so good at the 'wounded minority' act this has become massive news.
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    I'm glad someone has the cahones to come out with it! Well said that man...

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  • 181. At 3:15pm on 19 Nov 2009, BeyondThePale wrote:

    "Hey BeyondThePale, if you don't like the Irish why do you take a name that originated on that Island? "

    Who said I didn't like the Irish?
    I don't have any problem with the Irish at all.
    Some of my best friends blah blah blah.

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  • 182. At 3:17pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    127. At 2:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    all i'm saying is there are plenty of incidents like this, but because Ireland are so good at the 'wounded minority' act this has become massive news.
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    Notice it happened with Eduardo against CELTIC and regularly with LIVERPOOL, see the connections?

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  • 183. At 3:17pm on 19 Nov 2009, scottydog50 wrote:

    Look Robbo we've been playing this game for 150 years or so, and one of the main aspects of the game is human error.
    Introducing video technology and removing human error, by officials, players and managers will make the game sterile and eventually kill the game, and besides you'd have nothing to talk about on these blogs.

    Without human error and with technology, England would never have won the World Cup in '66 and Boro would not have got the the FA Cup Final in '97!

    The bigger loser last night will be Thierry Henry. In twenty or thirty years time he'll be remembered as the man who cheated Ireland out of a WC place, long after his fantastic play and goals are forgotten.

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  • 184. At 3:17pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    175. At 3:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    adam, think for a second. do you know about the bans for performence enhancing drugs handed out in baseball, the USA's national pastime?

    The Americans view cheating at sports as one of the worst things you can do...

    is not true. they view losing as worse.


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    I said one of the worst - not the worst and the drug cheats are despised in the States which is why bans there are generally harsher than in tbe UK & Europe

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  • 185. At 3:17pm on 19 Nov 2009, deepcaj wrote:

    Henry, you will forever be branded a cheat, despite the pleasure and excitement that you brought to millions with your undoubted skill. You will only be remembered in history for the callus way in which you cheated Ireland out of a well deserved victory. Hang your head in shame do the honourable thing and retire from international football now.

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  • 186. At 3:18pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    BTP hahaha... i wanna take you fishing with me mate, you always get a bite...

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  • 187. At 3:18pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    DenistheGenius - spot on mate!

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  • 188. At 3:19pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Who said I didn't like the Irish?
    I don't have any problem with the Irish at all.
    Some of my best friends blah blah blah.

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    Guys its not just us - even BTP's friemds go blah blah blah when he gets started

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  • 189. At 3:19pm on 19 Nov 2009, fourleafmac wrote:

    Former France international David Ginola on BBC Radio 5 Live: "I'm very embarrassed by the situation. I don't feel very proud to be French this morning. The Irish played very well and they deserved to go through as much as France, maybe more. I'm very surprised Fifa haven't mentioned anything about it - the whole world saw the handball. This is a pure injustice. Everyone in France, the press and everyone, says there should be a replay."

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  • 190. At 3:20pm on 19 Nov 2009, PotterN07 wrote:

    How many millions will the French make from this injustice ?
    Personally I think Henry should fall on his Mack 3 .

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  • 191. At 3:21pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    176. At 3:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Dennis, get your quotes right. Or just don't quote me at all, whichever you'd prefer.

    Secondly, Kant's theory isn't really workable, like much of philosophy when shoehorned into an argument to suit strange purpose.

    I don't view cheating as something the game is helped by, by i don't need to get on a high horse and start braying about RIGHT and WRONG, and how i, with no experience of the situation, am a good judge of the behaviour of others.

    If you want moral integrity, don't add competition. The two are basically mutually exclusive.

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  • 192. At 3:22pm on 19 Nov 2009, fourleafmac wrote:

    From the BBC live reaction - On a lighter note, bookmakers are offering special markets on 'Le Hand of God' with the chance of the match being replayed rated a 33-1 long shot. Henry is 125-1 to score with his hand in the World Cup in South Africa, but just 7-2 that he personally apologises to the people of Ireland. And one leading Irish firm says it is refunding a total of more than £100,000 to punters who backed the Irish to make the finals in 2010.

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  • 193. At 3:23pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    captainlazytim wrote:
    MORE IMPORTANTLY, if Ireland had won then the press wouldn't have said 'oh, the ref cost France the game by not giving a pen'.

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    are you a complete eejit?!
    Anelka dived - it's not even in question! for crying out loud, have you even seen any footage?

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  • 194. At 3:25pm on 19 Nov 2009, Mike wrote:

    If Henry announced his retirement from international football, thereby denying himself WC football, would that make a difference, albeit a tiny one?

    Just a thought.

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  • 195. At 3:27pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Henry should be allowed to play in the world cup, but with medicuin eballs super-glued to his hands and the words CHEAT tattooed on his face... (and shaved in to his head with a wilkinson sword!!!!)

    Its the only way they will learn!

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  • 196. At 3:27pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    152. At 2:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:
    Ginger, How much fake blood has been spilled on the rugby field lately.
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    LOL OUCH! Touché

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  • 197. At 3:28pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    adam - i don't want to get all Tommy on you here, but they are less harsh, and sometimes just ignore it. All athletics bans are WADA/IOC certified, and the USA are no exception, but within their sports there are huge numbers of admitted cheats who came back quickly, Barry Bonds, for one. Let's not fight, just get out from behind this statement. It isn't right.

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  • 198. At 3:28pm on 19 Nov 2009, Elpenor wrote:

    In all sports, athletes often bend the rules in order to win. Henry is nothing new. It's not up to the players to put their hands up, it's up to the referees to see things properly. Since it's impossible to see everything properly on a football pitch, it's clearly Fifa's fault for being so behind the times and not having video evidence. All the other big sports do it. All this talk of retaining the human element - the only thing retained is human error.

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  • 199. At 3:29pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Illparrot(great name),nope because France would still be in South Africa.
    Adam,naff off with this pet shop boys obsession.you know Greg Lake should be number one for christmas.
    Chuck the french out,that will stop any untoward behaviour from our footballing "idols".

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  • 200. At 3:29pm on 19 Nov 2009, Chris wrote:

    Don't blame the player (many players cheat every week) and don't blame the ref (that's what humans do, they make mistakes).
    DO BLAME THE COMPLETE IDIOTS THAT RUN SOCCER. Other sports use technology and soccer is plain stupid not too. Whether its for offsides, handballs or penalty claims it will considerably increase the chance of the right decision being made. It can also be used to severely punish the cretans that dive or abuse referees.
    When oh when will soccer enter the 21st century ?

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  • 201. At 3:34pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    captainlazytim wrote:
    176. At 3:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Dennis, get your quotes right. Or just don't quote me at all, whichever you'd prefer.

    Secondly, Kant's theory isn't really workable, like much of philosophy when shoehorned into an argument to suit strange purpose.

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    wow.
    i'm very glad not to know you, CaptainLazyArgument.

    and did Ginola really say all that?
    bless him.

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  • 202. At 3:34pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    161. At 3:03pm on 19 Nov 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:
    They should reply the game in South Africa as a curtain raiser, winner stays, loser goes home. Of course TH won't be eligible as he'll be serving the first game of his ban.
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    Trotts, you are a fan of one of the most cynical teams in the league (well you were, not so much now) and under Allardyce your players made careers for themselves by fouling, checking, kicking, elbowing and shirt pulling. Now you claim Henry should be banned because of one incident when your team got away with (what we would all term) as cheating week in week out. Is tugging someones shirt at a corner not cheating? Different scale to this incident, but cheating noentheless, when you consider how often it was done by Bolton players week in week out, I find your moral indignatioon at Henry's actions ironic to say the least.

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  • 203. At 3:34pm on 19 Nov 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    @200 Lahdar are you seriously suggesting that video replays be brought in for offside decisions. We'll end up with a game like American Football where it takes 5 hours to finish a game.

    I like the experiment in Germany a few years ago where the ref asked the player if he had handled the ball/dived to win a penalty etc. If the player said no the decision stood but if video evidence later proved he had cheated he got banned for 3 games. Let's give it a go.

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  • 204. At 3:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    191. At 3:21pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Secondly, Kant's theory isn't really workable, like much of philosophy when shoehorned into an argument to suit strange purpose.

    ....and then....

    If you want moral integrity, don't add competition. The two are basically mutually exclusive.
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    Come on Tim, this is just ignorant! We are talking about a moral issue in sport (think of phrases like "he's a good sport", "he's got a sporting chance", etc.) - are you really saying that morality should not exist at all in sport?! For me, it is the essence and the fundamental basis for sport. You sound like someone only born in the last 15 years and so mind-controlled into thinking that sport is about money and nothing more. You should write a letter of application to the Blatter boys at FIFA. It is exactly this thought process which is the cancer of football and sport in general.

    And I think Kant and the whole field of philosophy (which of course includes religion, and the entire human mindset) is a bit more thought-out than just shoehorning into an argument.

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  • 205. At 3:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, going_straight wrote:

    Just back from Paris
    Flight - 140 euro
    hotel - 90 euro
    meal - 50 euro
    match ticket - 80 euro
    seeing Thierry Henry playing Gaelic - priceless!

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  • 206. At 3:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, Dawlish wrote:

    I'm Derek Robson
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    Come on Derek.. You work for the BBC.. show some responsibility here...
    It is one thing to vent frustration at the cheating that took place in Paris yesterday and raising the Maradona hand of yesteryear... but to lump in there not the French players, who you can be forgiven for, and associating with Henry.. but to lump all French speaking players..Drogba, Adebayor,...and others as cheat is beyond the pale.. Maybe you did not know this but Drogba is from the Ivory Coast in West Africa..the Country of Salamon Kalou... Adebayor is from Togo another French Speaking Country but in West Africa..
    I will give you this Ngog is 1/2 French 1/2 Cameroonian but please insinuating that all French speaking players are cheat is not called for..You are off base.... Everyone including French in Paris and Lyon are outraged by what happened in Paris yesterday but cheating to deceive the referee is not in the blood of French speaking people..that is too far fetched

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  • 207. At 3:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Jacks has anyone outside Ipswich even heard of Greg Lake

    Pet Shop Boys are global giants and as such ..

    yes you've guessed it shoudl be Christmas Number One

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  • 208. At 3:40pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    but to lump all French speaking players..Drogba, Adebayor,...and others as cheat is beyond the pale.. Maybe you did not know this but Drogba is from the Ivory Coast in West Africa..the Country of Salamon Kalou... Adebayor is from Togo another French Speaking Country but in West Africa..

    Everyone including French in Paris and Lyon are outraged by what happened in Paris yesterday but cheating to deceive the referee is not in the blood of French speaking people..that is too far fetched

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    Maybe so but Drogba and Adebayor are bad examples to try and make this case with as theyare noted for diving and cheating and didn't Anelka dive against Ireland, Pires was a known diver...

    Has Steven Gerrard got French relatives per chance

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  • 209. At 3:43pm on 19 Nov 2009, TommyO wrote:

    So Ginola says

    Everyone in France, the press and everyone, says there should be a replay.


    Dawlsih says

    Everyone including French in Paris and Lyon are outraged by what happened in Paris yesterday


    and i've heard others says the same - so when is the offer of a replay to Ireland going to happen? Or are these merely pleasant little platitudes being trotted out to ease a bit of guilt?


    *Breaking News*

    Gary Neville is set to release a Christmas Single - reworking the Band Aid classic, the song is entitled - 'Do they know it's a Moustache?'

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  • 210. At 3:43pm on 19 Nov 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    205. At 3:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, going_straight wrote:

    Just back from Paris
    Flight - 140 euro
    hotel - 90 euro
    meal - 50 euro
    match ticket - 80 euro
    seeing Thierry Henry playing Gaelic - priceless!

    __________________________________________________________________

    so its you lot, the Irish, who had him all confused.





    I say we ban Gaelic Football with immediate effect to minimise confusion among top footballers.

    While we are at it, ban all sorts of rugby too, to discourage dangerous tackles from hatchet men the world over.

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  • 211. At 3:43pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    176. At 3:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:
    unfortunately, cheating has been a frequent topic this season, and we constantly get people like LazyTim/ScotchEggs etc. who try to excuse it from various angles like "you'd do the same" or "the Irish hate us - so screw it" or "it's nothing new" ... it's moral relativism, and it's quite sad, really.
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    Please point to where I (or Tim) have excused Henry's actions? Neither have we condoned it. Both are trying to make the point that "it" happens and why is everyone geting their Alan's in a twist over one incident when players on their (own supported) team do it week in week out, do we hear moral outrage from them then? Do we hell!. As for the "Ireland hate us" comment, that was mentioned seperately from Henry argument and mentioned only becauase I was wondering why we don't have full page spreads when this happens to Spain who are a "near" neighbouring country with many professionals in out league? Reason why, they are another country and nothing to do with us. Is that not a factually correct statement. I would suggest maybe you should change your nickname as from that bitty, ill thought and full of holes argument you presented genius does not cut the mustard.

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  • 212. At 3:44pm on 19 Nov 2009, hypnotist wrote:

    The hand of frog !

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  • 213. At 3:44pm on 19 Nov 2009, Mike wrote:

    The concept of the Irish being so good at the 'wounded minority' act doesn't really translate onto the football pitch. They've never really been involved in a sporting matter of this magnitude in the past (unlike us English who have '86 tatooed onto our souls!)

    Also, Duff was quite categorical after the game - stating that he'd have done the same thing, so if anything that was quite a refreshing reaction.

    Can you imagine our newspaper/player reactions if we'd been knocked out by another handball storm? Our 'wounded majority' act would rise to the fore.

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  • 214. At 3:44pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    RESULT!!

    Fergie's ban's been shifted on a technicality.

    Because the punishment can't start until 14 days after the last hearing or something along those lines it means he's in for Everton but he won't be around for the Carling Cup clash with Spurs.

    They'll probably still stuff us but i'll take any edge i can right now ;)

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  • 215. At 3:44pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Dawlish... when did robbo say that! Sacre Bleu? La putain de ta blog!

    mon dieu!

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  • 216. At 3:46pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Bo - the fake blood occured once, in terms of proof. I think rugby has some way to go before it's on a par with football personally, and the Bloodgate (what a boring name, let us not use our imagination, just stick Gate on the end) thing was two stories, only one of which was fully reported.

    Dennis - no (eejit), i was making a point about the attitudes (although i'm not sure it was a dive, if so why wasn't he booked?). Ireland have been rude about Domenech, and setting themselves up to play the cheated underdog since the seedings. Ukraine qualified, and were not seeded, and didn't bleat.

    Scots - despite supporting the Pool, i must admit you have a point. Green and white are the new colours or matyrdom, it seems.

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  • 217. At 3:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    202, Eggs, I respect your opinion but it wasn't me that decided how Bolton should play under Sam Allardyce, I was a Bolton supporter long before Sam Allardyce pulled his boots on at Burnden Park, nevermind becoming manager.

    Beyond that, your argument is rather mute. Teams that play harder than is deemed fair typically get penalised for it and often get penalised when they did nothing wrong, it's a reputation thing so in those years that Bolton had a rather grim disciplinary record they doubtless fully deserved it over the course of a season. They took their yellows and reds and served their suspensions!

    What happened last night was in the context of an extra period of play in what amounted to a World Cup eliminator.

    If TH was playing for Bolton last night in the first game of the season, the right and proper punishment would have been a red card which would have resulted in a ban.

    The fall-out for TH though, will be far greater than a ban from the pitch would ever bring and it would increase exponentially as France go deeper in the World Cup.

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  • 218. At 3:49pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    143. At 2:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Ermm where to start, mate?

    Not sure where you get the idea of legions of Irish folk playing the 'wounded minority'. It's massive news cos Henry had the reputation of being an honorable bloke. It's massive news cos the underdogs lost when they were the better team. It's massive news cos of the belated seeding process for the play-offs.

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    From the outside looking in I have to ask why is it "massive news" for the British media?
    From what I have read so far most of the Irish players have accepted the situation gracefully, and reading some of the comments from our Irish posters (eg collie) they seem to have graciously accepted that although they were harshly wronged, it is all part and parcel of the`modern game.

    I can´t imagine that there´s anywhere else in the world where the media are so happy to start a witch hunt or brand people as cheats or whatever in a situation in a game that has absoloutly nothing to do with them apart from the fact that once again it was a "Johnny Foriegner" who used to be in the PL that has perpertraited this hanus act.

    If the media really do think that it is their god given duty to champion fair play in all that is football, maybe they should start by having a go at some of the regulars in the England team, I´m not going to mention names because I don´t want to start another Man Utd v L´pool v The Rest war, but everyone knows who I may be reffering to.
    Some may say, but what the England players have done is not as bad as what Henry/Eduardo/Ngog has done, you maybe right, but, in all shapes or form cheating is cheating.

    Lastly, we can all stand up and say we demand fair play, but are we really that naive?
    It´s not down to the players or the officals, the buck must stop at FIFA, they make the rules, and they`"regulate" the game, it´s up to them to make the changes that will assure that the game is fair. But don´t hold your breath, because I can´t see it happening any day soon.

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  • 219. At 3:49pm on 19 Nov 2009, ToledoTrumpton wrote:

    I don't think Henry should feel guilty or that the result shouldn't stand.

    However, what I don't like is that, if Henry had been caught, he would probably not even been given a yellow card. If a player gets caught deliberately handballing or diving, it should be a straight red card. After all, in the case of diving, if successful that is very often what the goalkeeper will get.

    Until the risk outweighs the reward, you can't blame the players for trying.

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  • 220. At 3:50pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerson,_Lake_&_Palmer
    40 million albums,Adam.Ha!

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  • 221. At 3:51pm on 19 Nov 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    GARY NEVILLE FOR CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

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  • 222. At 3:52pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Jacks, i know Old Greg for Black Lake, are we on about the same guy, does yours have the funk?

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  • 223. At 3:53pm on 19 Nov 2009, alwaysindoubt wrote:

    Another sad day for football and sport generally. This isn't limited to football of course, we've had everything from the now standard drug abuse to deliberate crashes and fake injuries in other sports.

    Sorry to be so negative, but there's little you can do to stop the momentum of change, and the comments on this blog show how many people already view cheating as a standard element of a 'sporting' contest. For those of you saying Henry (that's the multi-millionaire Henry with a first class ticket to South Africa to play in the biggest football tournament in the world) is going to be forever gutted by the tarnish of his reputation - sorry, but you're kidding yourselves.

    Money got us into this mess, and ironically it may be money that gets us out again. If cheating gets to such a level that viewers start to turn off and stop watching so much sport, the income goes away and the incentive to cheat goes away with it. But I can't see it happening anytime soon.

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  • 224. At 3:53pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    208. At 3:40pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:
    Has Steven Gerrard got French relatives per chance
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    Bonjour monsieur Rooney!

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  • 225. At 3:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, 24 years and counting wrote:

    Well Put Robbo.

    Today, I'm finished with football. For life.

    Henry has had the last word at the end of a decade where FIFA, the sponsors, the pay-TV companies, and the players themselves have dragged football into the gutter. And I'm sick of it. I can't stand to be in this position 10 years from now and look back on another decade of the same thing happening and think "I wasted another 10 whole years of my life on that". Life is too short to waste on people like that who would gladly rob their own grandmothers.

    So goodbye football. I would trot out the cliched old line of how it's been nice knowing you but until last night...I think I didn't really know you at all.

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  • 226. At 3:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, Griever wrote:

    Some people laughed at the idea of having officials behind the goal in the Europa League, but if such officials had been there last night they probably would've spotted this because they would've had the ideal angle. Hopefully, such officials will become more common because they really do help spot incidents like this in the penalty area.

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  • 227. At 3:55pm on 19 Nov 2009, jfeelers wrote:

    Feel really sorry for the Irish - they were the better side and deserved to go through. But these things happen in football. Not quite sure why you can really blame Henry. It was instictive and players do it all the time. Sometimes the refs see them, other times they don't. It's just really bad luck it happened in a big game.

    The only thing you could say about Henry is that he missed the chance to go down in history as one of the most sporting blokes in the game. If he had admitted it to the ref he would be remembered as not only an awesome player but also sportsman. But in such a big game I defy anyone to make such a gesture.

    The Irish players wouldn't have done if it had been the other way round. Trapatoni was asked inthe press conference what he'd have done if the glove was on the other hand and he didn't have an answer ad babbled something that was nothing to do with the question because he knows the answer.

    As for the game being replayed - I seem to recall Hypia handling on the goal line from Henry in the FA cup final and if that had gone in the arse would've won - I didn't hear anyone sayi Hypia should've told the ref. I also remember Carroll in the Man U goal clearing a ball that had gne two feet over the line and the goal not being given. I don't remember anybody sounding off about him telling the ref.

    Really tough break for Ireland.

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  • 228. At 3:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Denis, we can agree. You haven't really bothered to reply, but yet called me LazyArgument. Clever, almost Genius.

    And Tom, who said this:

    Come on Tim, this is just ignorant! We are talking about a moral issue in sport (think of phrases like "he's a good sport", "he's got a sporting chance", etc.) - are you really saying that morality should not exist at all in sport?!

    No, at no point do i say that morality 'should not' exist in sport. I am merely able to recognise the world we live in, and they reality of the game. And your comment about '15 years' shows that you clearly view the past through rose-tinted goggles, if you think cheating and winning are new phenomena/imperatives.

    What i am saying is that football is filled, week in and week out, with cheating of all levels, but that only certain circumstances seem to demand that the media hit the BIG RED BUTTON.

    Finally, although i get bored of it, Kant is not the factor i am criticising, but the use of his work is ridiculous, especially when there is a whole branch of sport philosophy. I'm just trying to point out that it is a competition, not an arena of moralistic judgement.

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  • 229. At 3:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    217. At 3:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:
    202, Eggs, I respect your opinion but it wasn't me that decided how Bolton should play under Sam Allardyce, I was a Bolton supporter long before Sam Allardyce pulled his boots on at Burnden Park, nevermind becoming manager.
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    Of course not mate and I respect that, I'm just highlighting that cheating only occurs when it is against our favoured teams rather than for them. Something SAF perfectly encapsulates.

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  • 230. At 4:03pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    By the way, here's point one in the Fifa Fair Play Code: "Play fair. Winning is without value if victory has been achieved unfairly or dishonestly. Cheating is easy, but brings no pleasure. Playing fair requires courage and character. It is also more satisfying. Fair play always has its reward, even when the game is lost. Playing fair earns respect, while cheating only brings shame. Remember: it is only a game. And games are pointless unless played fairly."

    how's your foot taste, FiFA?

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  • 231. At 4:04pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Well i don't know Thierry Henry, i've never met him and know very little about his private but i am sure he is pure evil... On the other hand, cheating is cool, i've seen people do it before and Henry could have been led astray, possibly by bigger boys, we just don't know... Then again it was wrong... In summary i think cheating is absolutely terrible unless other people might have done the same thing in the same situation then it is acceptable, but only as much as it is unacceptable in the first place...

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  • 232. At 4:04pm on 19 Nov 2009, TommyO wrote:

    makes you wonder how Sepp sleeps at night, doesn't it?

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  • 233. At 4:05pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Denis, if cheatin gis easy how come Dick Dastardly never won at Wacky Races!

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  • 234. At 4:05pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    H2 and jfeel, agreed. this is one of my main problems, we are all supposed to be up in arms on some occasions (normally when a foreign player is involved) and accept it at other times.

    It is interesting in view of the trial, Griever. It should be pushed through in time for SA if this continues.

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  • 235. At 4:05pm on 19 Nov 2009, fourleafmac wrote:

    Was going to try and rewrite the entire song for the Gary Neville - "Do they Know it's Moustache" idea but only got as far as below before giving up!

    It's Moustachetime
    There's a need to be afraid
    At Moustachetime, we let it grow and we do not shave

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  • 236. At 4:06pm on 19 Nov 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    229... Eggs, Ireland is not my favoured team! I have no allegiance whatsoever to Ireland.

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  • 237. At 4:07pm on 19 Nov 2009, Colchester_FC wrote:

    A guy in the pub last night (why are all the best ideas thought of in the pub?) suggested scrapping the current format of the World Cup and changing it to a straight knockout competition like the FA Cup with the big teams coming in at the 3rd round with no seeding.

    Then when you get down to the last 16 teams they play in 4 groups of four again with no seeding and the winners of each group go through to the semi finals.

    Is it just the lager or does this sound like a reasonable idea?

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  • 238. At 4:07pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Jacks - the following from Wikipedia

    Pet Shop Boys have sold about 100 million records worldwide. Since 1986, they have had 42 Top 30 singles and 22 Top 10 hits in the UK, including four Number Ones: "West End Girls," "It's a Sin," "Always on My Mind," and "Heart."

    At the 2009 BRIT Awards, Pet Shop Boys received an award for Outstanding Contribution to Music. The duo's latest album, entitled Yes, was released on 23 March 2009.

    Soon the will add and have just had a 2nd CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

    The number 2 sigle will perhamps be Mr Neville with a B-side about Stevie G called someone throw that scouser through a window. the LFC number 8

    Set over that well known ditty written by alex Curran called

    How much is that designer handbag in the window



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  • 239. At 4:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    227. At 3:55pm on 19 Nov 2009, jfeelers wrote:

    The only thing you could say about Henry is that he missed the chance to go down in history as one of the most sporting blokes in the game. If he had admitted it to the ref he would be remembered as not only an awesome player but also sportsman. But in such a big game I defy anyone to make such a gesture.
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    Are we really that corrupt and lost as a society and even as a species? Does noone else have hope for the morality of humanity? I know this sounds OTT but with comments like ScotchEggRules, CaptainLazyTim and yourself, this defeatist attitude is what allows these acts to happen. If we accept them as mere inevitability we may as well give up now. It is up to us as a society and as a race to complain and make a huge deal of this now. We all know Henry et al will go to the WC and the Blatter boys will never change that. But, we can speak out about our outrage in the hope that it will have repercussions in the future. On the rules but, as well and probably more importantly, on the mindsets of future players.

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  • 240. At 4:10pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    227. At 3:55pm on 19 Nov 2009, jfeelers wrote:
    As for the game being replayed - I seem to recall Hypia handling on the goal line from Henry in the FA cup final and if that had gone in the arse would've won - I didn't hear anyone sayi Hypia should've told the ref.
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    Well said J! Arsenal fans dealt with that baltent bit of cheating, I never complained once about it. Robbo, did you post an article at the time on Hypia being a cheat and forever tarnishing his reputation? So why only now mate? I'm just wondering why the mass hysteria now about this?

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  • 241. At 4:10pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    221. At 3:51pm on 19 Nov 2009, ColchesterFC wrote:

    GARY NEVILLE FOR CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE
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    I don't see Gary Neville as number one material,I always think of him as a number two

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  • 242. At 4:11pm on 19 Nov 2009, collie21 wrote:

    I will be switching to wilkinson sword from now on however!

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  • 243. At 4:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 244. At 4:13pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    238. At 4:07pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Jacks - the following from Wikipedia......
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    Adam,the following is from the"Good Taste Guide"
    "hmm,Pet shop boys,load of hackneyed old tat"
    just thought you'd like to know

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  • 245. At 4:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    242. At 4:11pm on 19 Nov 2009, collie21 wrote:
    I will be switching to wilkinson sword from now on however!

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    You have hit on the best way to stamp out cheating. Everytime a high profile sprtsperson cheats note who their main sponsor is and stop buying that product for a while.

    When the message hits their wallets they'll stop.

    Would need massive campaigning to achieve though

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  • 246. At 4:15pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Eggs/Lazy - not saying you've said cheating is great... but to politicize the incident as you both have throughout your posts seems like an attempt to downplay this particular injustice.
    just because cheating has happened in the past doesn't mean we shouldn't tackle this high-profile case aggressively, regardless of your not-so-warm feelings for the Irish.
    one gets the feeling you wouldn't be so up in arms at the media coverage had it been, say San Marino, and not Ireland.

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  • 247. At 4:15pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Adam,just a quick one,these 100 million records the pet shop boys have sold,is it a big lock-up you have for them?

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  • 248. At 4:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    245. At 4:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:
    242. At 4:11pm on 19 Nov 2009, collie21 wrote:
    I will be switching to wilkinson sword from now on however!
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    I wish Gary Neville would!

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  • 249. At 4:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    Oh dear Oh dear.

    Lets have some real persepective here can we?

    Firstly henry did not in fact score the goal! he handled the ball to keep it in play! i can only assume Henry was thinking hmmmm the ref will proberbly spot this but I will play to the whilstle if he blows he blows if not its game on etc etc.

    he could hardly deny it was not handball as that would make the said player out to be a liar as well as the alledged " cheat " for all the replays would prove beyond reasnable doubt he in fact " handled " the ball.

    This does not sully his reputation! he was after all playing for his country! and as such was playing to hopefully get them into the WC, and dare i say it Most Players would do the same! so stop this silly reactionary *hite. If an irish player had done the same thing, would they be wanting a replay? etc etc i doubt it! they would be as chuffed as **** bearing in mind they hardly deserved to be in SA in the 1st place ( a bit like england )

    to be fair to the irish thier group was defo more harder than englands the latters being a mere formailty, the irish had to work hard for thier games alas they came up short not just in one game but those that preceeded them had they of been a good side or better side they would have qualified without the need for a playoff.

    The same can be said of France, they are not a good team and will not be feared by anyone! the reason is proberbly due to in fighting etc and egos, France it seems require a new manager and quickly! if they are to have any chance of lifting the trophy.

    Ireland can take credit, they matched the mighty france in all departments! as they also do in the Six Nations! on this occasion they lost out, but to suddenly assume you can blacken a good footballers name just because you were on the wrong end of a result is just not on.

    I admit being a gooner I have nothing but admiration for T Henry for his services to Arsenal! not to France, the guy was an inspiration to the PL as a whole and delighted many crowds in my view this incident does not take away his attributes to the game .

    France have as much chance of England in lifting the WC as both sides are pretty *ra*

    The ROI have not made it but they were not " cheated " they just didnt play well enough throughout the complete qualifiers to justify being in SA.

    and on a happyier note.

    The irish can draw comfort in the fact they wont have to pay over inflated air tickets,or hotel fees, or training camp fees plus by the time the Guiness has reached the shores of SA its not worth drinking as its well known niether travel well.

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  • 250. At 4:17pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    248. At 4:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    245. At 4:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:
    242. At 4:11pm on 19 Nov 2009, collie21 wrote:
    I will be switching to wilkinson sword from now on however!
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    I wish Gary Neville would!
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    just get any passing cat to give his face a good lick

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  • 251. At 4:18pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    jacks -

    From progarchives.com

    The Greg Lake stuff just wallows in sappiness,

    PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

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  • 252. At 4:18pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    DG3,will you back my Greg Lake for number one campaign.I really like "On an Island"!
    anything to stop Adam and his ginger beer obsession

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  • 253. At 4:19pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Are we really that corrupt and lost as a society and even as a species? Does noone else have hope for the morality of humanity? I know this sounds OTT but with comments like ScotchEggRules, CaptainLazyTim and yourself, this defeatist attitude is what allows these acts to happen.

    PERSPECTIVE IS WHAT YOU LACK. Troops are losing their lives to protect (straight face) freedom in Afganistan, we have issues with torture and terror, with morality amongst polititians (who, unlike footballers, are supposed to be judged on their morals) and the abuse of the weak.

    But no, this is a big issue if morality for society to deal with. Just out of interest, do you view this 'win at all costs' attitude as a modern phenomenon?

    Mayer Hawthorne for Christmas number one?

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  • 254. At 4:19pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    on a serious note now, about the topic at hand...

    The Pet Shop Boys should never have hand balled to set up Greg Lake to knock Ireland out of the Quiditch world cup... Cheating is wrong!

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  • 255. At 4:20pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Adam,are you making this up as you go along?Sappiness?wasn't that a Ken Dodd hit?

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  • 256. At 4:21pm on 19 Nov 2009, BeyondThePale wrote:

    It's a bit windy tonight, Gary could save himself a couple of quid and just stick his head out the window.

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  • 257. At 4:21pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Jacks - no my lock-up contains all the Greg Lake LPs you bought that I picked up for 1p each at a car boot sale to use as frisbies if the Old Firm were allowed to joing the Premier League

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  • 258. At 4:22pm on 19 Nov 2009, TommyO wrote:

    235. At 4:05pm on 19 Nov 2009, fourleafmac wrote:

    Was going to try and rewrite the entire song for the Gary Neville - "Do they Know it's Moustache" idea but only got as far as below before giving up!

    It's Moustachetime
    There's a need to be afraid
    At Moustachetime, we let it grow and we do not shave


    And if we ban the sale of Mac3's, we can hide our smiles of joy
    Grow facial hair and look so cool, it's Moustachetime

    But say a prayer

    And pray for the other ones,
    At Moustachetime it's hard, when you can't grow one
    I put my face up to a window
    And fill the kids with dread and fear



    come on lads - we can complete this....

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  • 259. At 4:22pm on 19 Nov 2009, BeyondThePale wrote:

    tim,

    While people are voting for it/paying for it, you're going to have to live with the fact that they're perfectly happy, on the whole, that it happens, I'm afraid.

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  • 260. At 4:23pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    An open post to Arsenal fans... even if you say he didn't cheat, or that he was vindicated in doing so because of the situation, or as DGM3 said, he didn't even score the goal(???)... it doesnt mean he's gonna come back to you. He's moved on, he has new fans, a new team and a new home... Yeah you had some good times but they're in the past, let it go (FYI your coming off a tad desperate)...

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  • 261. At 4:23pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Adam,I don't mind E.L.P but it isn't an obsession.I have a very broad church when it comes to music and like all genres except 80s synth tat that couldn't find it's own bottom with a map.Now stop this before someone gets hurt.Leave them to their retirement home or whatever it is they currently do

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  • 262. At 4:25pm on 19 Nov 2009, democracythreat wrote:

    Cry. More.

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  • 263. At 4:26pm on 19 Nov 2009, poppyAstonvanilla wrote:

    Adampsb
    Did you ever see the lovely Ms Mckenzie's ahem, special DVD, Maximum Insertion? No skimpies in that!!!

    Used to have a lot of respect for Henry, gone down in my estimation a bit now. Let's hope that Ireland can qualify for Euro 2012.

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  • 264. At 4:26pm on 19 Nov 2009, collie21 wrote:

    http://celticgaul.blogspot.com/2009/11/france-v-ireland-i-am-changing-razors.html

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  • 265. At 4:26pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    If Gary Neville does shave off his 'tache,what can I now put on the mantelpiece to keep the children away from the fire?

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  • 266. At 4:26pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Denis - just trying for a bit of sense and perspective amongst the hysterical weeping. Whoever said 'this will be what people remember about Henry' is hilarious. Greatest striker in PL history, true legend of international football. Sadly, what may be true is that this is all they remember in Ireland.

    And your point about San Marino. Do you think we'd be hearing about it if it had happened to them?

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  • 267. At 4:27pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    249. At 4:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:
    bearing in mind they hardly deserved to be in SA in the 1st place ( a bit like england )
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    How do you work that one out? England qualified from there group far and square with one of the best reords in Europe How doe sthat mean we "hardly" deserve to go? Complete and utter tripe.

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  • 268. At 4:27pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    170. At 3:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:
    "is to help the ref get it right on the night
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    You are determined to put the onus on the referee Captain. Surely you can see that the player is responsible for his actions. Just because the referee doesn't see the incident, does not make the player concerned any less a cheat."

    Go further. THe players should take some responsibility, but even more so the captain. He should be leading the players, and making sure they behave in a way that represents the club / country. Or them. If a player dives for a penalty or handballs, the captain should make them admit their guilt. Can you imagine the power of the positive impact that would make on football, maybe even the world? It would be setting a good example, rather than a bad one. Spitting on the pitch is now common place amongst teams of all ages, but it wasn't before all the football stars felt it acceptable to spit and clear their noses like that.

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    175. At 3:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    "162. At 3:05pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:
    "The objective is to win, not to play fair. This is very simple sport philosophy. "

    If that IS the philosophy, then it needs to be changed. Does that mean "get away with taking drugs if you can?"

    so what would the point be then, Gen, if not to win. To have fun? To meet new people?"

    To win without cheating, maybe? It's unsporting (like cheating at chess when the other person isn't looking)... can't you see why unsporting behaviour has no place in top class sport? If the authorities take no action, they may as well come out and condone it.

    (NB, carp, this blog is moving fast today!)

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  • 269. At 4:28pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    250. At 4:17pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:
    248. At 4:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    245. At 4:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:
    242. At 4:11pm on 19 Nov 2009, collie21 wrote:
    I will be switching to wilkinson sword from now on however!
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    I wish Gary Neville would!
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    just get any passing cat to give his face a good lick
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    Yeah what was I thinking a good stiff breeze should do the trick.

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  • 270. At 4:29pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    and from an album review

    Their rendition of Holst's Mars, the Bringer of War is probably the best song on the album, though sometimes that 1980s synth-sound is a bit too harsh of a treatment (i.e., too many keyboard stabs). The rest of the material is... well, rubbish.

    Certainly the best album ELP had made since Brain Salad Surgery, and unfortunately the last decent one. If it weren't for the filler and dreadful Lake ballads, this could've been a nice four-star effort. This lineup of ELP never made a second album and I can't say if that was good or bad, but this would have been a nice finale because worse albums were to arrive in the 1990s.

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  • 271. At 4:32pm on 19 Nov 2009, SantosLHelper wrote:

    249. At 4:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    Ireland can take credit, they matched the mighty france in all departments! as they also do in the Six Nations! on this occasion they lost out, but to suddenly assume you can blacken a good footballers name just because you were on the wrong end of a result is just not on.


    RACIST!!!

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  • 272. At 4:32pm on 19 Nov 2009, cloughtheking wrote:

    The mighty Zizou will be remembered first and foremost not for exquisite pirouettes, or the fact that he dwelt in a different time zone from any other player on the park, but for the moment when he changed from midfield matador to charging bull.

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    Ok then Robbo, we should remember the dive that ended the Invincibles reign every time Wayne Rooney does something special for United!

    I don't agree with what Henry did but I don't believe any footballer would tell the ref they handled the ball out of good sportsmanship especially when World Cup qualification is on the the line.

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    And there we have it. I dont remember a nationwide witch hunt for Rooney after the blatant dive as mentioned above. Oh, sorry I forgot - hes English so it doesnt count as cheating, does it

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  • 273. At 4:33pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    185. At 3:17pm on 19 Nov 2009, deepcaj wrote:
    Henry, you will forever be branded a cheat, despite the pleasure and excitement that you brought to millions with your undoubted skill. You will only be remembered in history for the callus way in which you cheated Ireland out of a well deserved victory. Hang your head in shame do the honourable thing and retire from international football now.
    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Anyone who believes this is unfortunatly disillusioned, the story may run for a while in the gutter press, but worldwide it will probably be forgotten in a relatively short amount of time.
    Jacks, I was just scanning through nu.nl, a Dutch news site, and the only related story seems to be that Ireland will ask FIFA to replay the game. There,s no calling for anybody to be drawn and quartered due to unspeakable atrocities in the name of sport.

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  • 274. At 4:33pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 275. At 4:34pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    And fill the kids with dread and fear
    Because Rafa's scraggly beard appears

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  • 276. At 4:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, Archie Says "Woof!" wrote:

    You forgot Rule 2a. When you go down, always immediately look over to referee pleadingly (crying optional, but preferred).

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  • 277. At 4:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    if memory serves me right Gregg Lake is from Emerson Lake and Palmer?

    if so yes, nice band and worthy of any vote when it comes to musical talent not based on cute looks. low cut tshirts and hairy chests and tight pants. the latter have always looked best on a female anyways.

    so yes jacksofbuxton i will back your campaign. no probs.

    afterall it could be worse it could be another xmas with that anoying idiot Noddy Holder, with that band Slade ( yuks ) i swear if i hear his voice again I will murder someone or perhaps even do myself in.

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  • 278. At 4:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    228. At 3:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    "only certain circumstances seem to demand that the media hit the BIG RED BUTTON."

    You keep trotting this out today. it's not that only certain circumstances demand it, but that it only becomes worthy of coverage for the media when its in certain circumstances. Dealing with it needs to happen in the first instances when it recieves this kind of coverage, but also to carry down to instances where there is less media attention.

    The public want a change, at least as far as this being a sense. People are tired of seeing cheating, some people resignedly shrug their shoulders, but only a very small number have said they think its ok. Likewise in football, only a relatively small number cheat to get ahead. But its a growing number, or seems that way, and it needs to be curtailed.

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  • 279. At 4:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, GINOLLLLA wrote:

    I must admit, I did want to see Ireland go through.
    But I'm slightly surprised to see the shock behind most peoples reaction, I thought it was slightly predictable to see such an outcome to this playoff...

    Besides, I can see why the Irish would be upset with Henrys handball, but they should be spewing with Robbie Keane for messing up chances time and time again... same old story with him!

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  • 280. At 4:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    BTP - assuming your comment refers to my 'war diatribe', this is true, and for the record i can't be fussed with that debate either, or the one about the troops being in danger (THEY ARE SOLDIERS)

    just seems like a mountain, when all we saw was a mole's tail

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  • 281. At 4:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    271. At 4:32pm on 19 Nov 2009, SantosLHelper wrote:
    249. At 4:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    Ireland can take credit, they matched the mighty france in all departments! as they also do in the Six Nations! on this occasion they lost out, but to suddenly assume you can blacken a good footballers name just because you were on the wrong end of a result is just not on.


    RACIST!!!

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    How exactly

    Is itbecause he uses the word blacken because that is a very good contextual use of the word and not race related at all so if you think it is go and buy a dictionary and get lost until you understand English properly.

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  • 282. At 4:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    That album was by Emerson,Lake and Powell(as in Cozy).the original E.L.P then reformed to produce Black Moon,which is ok.However,and more importantly....kids just say "no".No to the pet shop boys in any shape or form.OK Adam,my fave groups are The Beatles,XTC,Divine Comedy plus various blues artists of mant stles.If you could dig out some reviews I'd be grateful.
    kind regards Jack

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  • 283. At 4:40pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Adam, i think he was be facetious... (i do have a new dictionary)

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  • 284. At 4:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    just seems like a mountain, when all we saw was a mole's tail

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    what you saw Keiron Richardsons ponytail

    Jacks you have just listed all that is wrong about music and life (apart from the Divine Comedy as he does have a couple of good songs).

    Children should remember and repeat the above mantra when purchasing records

    Pet Shop Boys, New Order, Depeche Mode - these are the CDs that will define our lives and inspire us to greatness

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  • 285. At 4:42pm on 19 Nov 2009, GINOLLLLA wrote:

    174. At 3:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, Lokacious

    She wasn't too bad, eh? Not a touch on the Italian presenter though... Not sure on which channel but very nice!

    Not sure who commented on the beebs choice of female presenters, but Jacqui Oatley is nice and a top girl at that, I met her earlier this year on a trip away

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  • 286. At 4:42pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #283 - I'll let him off then

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  • 287. At 4:42pm on 19 Nov 2009, Coweslepe wrote:

    This ought to have been a much better discussion. No one seems to be in any way concerned about the central point, primarily because everyone is at pains to overstep it as gingerly as possible. The cheating occurred before this game. The late announcement of the seeding was cheating. The fact that Ireland were the only non-seeded team to play the second leg away was cheating. The appointment of a third-tier referee who could just up and disappear (like after Barcelona in the semis last year) was cheating. It saddens me that Henry, a player whom we should all admire, must now bear the burden of blame for a game that is riddled with cheats from without. Blame UEFA and blame FIFA, and for heaven's sake blame all the corruption of the limp-minded politicians who are now very much at the forefront of these incidents. It's not a conspiracy theory when all eyes can see it as a fact; but then again, they have to be open first.

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  • 288. At 4:45pm on 19 Nov 2009, Parag wrote:

    Stop it Robbo, this is life...
    *france were deprived of 2 penalties in both the legs...
    *how many times did robbie keane bring the ball down with his arm...

    This is the same kind of cry SAF cried after loss to chelsea...

    STOP IT NOW...
    France deserved it and the better team over the two legs won...

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  • 289. At 4:45pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Gen - it isn't about choosing to cheat, it is about either losing or winnig with cheating (lets get this right, it was one incident, not like France played with 15 men)

    adam, you are polluting the world with your musical turds

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  • 290. At 4:47pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Did they though...

    Or is it all a conspiracy..

    Like JFK & Elvis faking their deaths and moving to Monaco

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  • 291. At 4:47pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    253. At 4:19pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    PERSPECTIVE IS WHAT YOU LACK. Troops are losing their lives to protect (straight face) freedom in Afganistan, we have issues with torture and terror, with morality amongst polititians (who, unlike footballers, are supposed to be judged on their morals) and the abuse of the weak.
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    Since when has anyone ever thought of politicians, let alone judged them, on morals?! Politicians are judged on leadership and their POLITICAL standpoint. I would like to think that morality exists inside us and, hopefully, would be the last aspect of humanity to be externalised and controlled by an external force (ie. a government).

    Also, I am not so idealist to view the past as a golden age free of cheating, etc. I realise it has always existed and probably always will. But that doesn't mean we should accept it, does it? My real problem with the modern game is how it has been taken over by money men with little or no interest in the game and its foundations. Clubs are run by foreigners who think football is about throwing a ball around and stopping every 10 seconds for an ad break, FIFA is run by the Blatter boys - nuff said, and people like yourself and the media tell Henry and the rest that cheating is ok and just part of the game.

    Just one question as an example for you Tim about the change in the modern game: How long do you think teams and managers have been training players on how to dive? Not telling them to do it, but training them how - run towards goal, kick the ball away from the keeper, and then leave the trail leg until the inevitable "touch"? Can you imagine Bobby Charlton doing it?

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  • 292. At 4:47pm on 19 Nov 2009, GINOLLLLA wrote:

    #289 - and his statement about Lindsey Dawn Mackensie over Katy Perry.
    Truly shocking!

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  • 293. At 4:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Tim there is no need for that sort of abuse - I don't accuse you of polluting the world with your poo-smelling, bin dipping football club do I.

    PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

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  • 294. At 4:49pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    captainlazytim wrote:
    Denis - just trying for a bit of sense and perspective amongst the hysterical weeping. Whoever said 'this will be what people remember about Henry' is hilarious. Greatest striker in PL history, true legend of international football. Sadly, what may be true is that this is all they remember in Ireland.

    And your point about San Marino. Do you think we'd be hearing about it if it had happened to them?

    -------------------------------------------------------


    ...if the stakes were the same, why wouldn't it be covered?

    you/Eggs resent the Irish for what you feel is their victim's mentality - that much is clear. but that has nothing to do with the issue at hand, and bringing it up is discrediting to your arguments, in my opinion.
    add to that comments like "it was a handball, but hardly crucial" from you and "You lost - big deal, get over it" from Eggs - you can expect to be called out.

    Henry will be remembered for this, as well as for his many more admirable moments... but he would have been gone down forever as St. Henry had he broken with convention and done the honourable thing.

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  • 295. At 4:51pm on 19 Nov 2009, GINOLLLLA wrote:

    That's the beauty of music though, isn't it?
    One mans treasure and all that? Suppose same can be said on the female conversation, but there you go...

    Pet Shop Boys a better shout than Akon or x factor winner... Takes my vote

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  • 296. At 4:51pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #292 - and I stand by that statement.

    Katy Perry is very low on my list of attractive ladies even in pop you have Kylie, Britney, Beyonce and many others who are better looking. French ladies are the best looking though

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  • 297. At 4:53pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Gentlemen, lets put to bed this music arguement, there is no such thing as good music or bad music, you can also forget about all the different genres and styles, because music basically falls into two simple categories.

    i)Music you like.
    ii)Music you don´t like.

    Simples.

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  • 298. At 4:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Parag wrote:
    Stop it Robbo, this is life...
    *france were deprived of 2 penalties in both the legs...
    *how many times did robbie keane bring the ball down with his arm...

    This is the same kind of cry SAF cried after loss to chelsea...

    STOP IT NOW...
    France deserved it and the better team over the two legs won...

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    bah!
    another one born every minute!

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  • 299. At 4:55pm on 19 Nov 2009, GINOLLLLA wrote:

    #296 - fair play mate... she's not on top of my list by any means, and that was before she donned the claret & blue of WHAM!

    French isn't a bad shout, although the Swedes aren't far off!

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  • 300. At 4:56pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Pet Shop Boys are dreadful adam, i have been putting off saying as, well your a good guy... But your campaigne is gathering momentum, i cant just sit by and let this happen... Were all narked off with Cowell and his goons ruining chrimbo TOTP (do they syill have that?) but thier has to be a better option...

    ANYONE OTHER THAN X-FACTOR OR PSB FOR CHRIMBO NUMBER ONE!

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  • 301. At 4:57pm on 19 Nov 2009, D13 wrote:

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  • 302. At 4:57pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    H2H - That is a true statement

    qualified by the fact that music you like is good

    And music you don't like isn't - which is why you don't like it.

    although it is opinion at the end of the day

    PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

    I have to go now and will return if my PC at home works properly (for some reason it won't load the football blogs page but everything else on teh bbc works perfectly)

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  • 303. At 4:58pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    283 RBA, now you¨re using words I have to google.

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  • 304. At 4:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    289. At 4:45pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    adam, you are polluting the world with your musical turds
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    I know what you mean.....Depeche mode and the Pet Shop Boys?!!?

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  • 305. At 5:00pm on 19 Nov 2009, GINOLLLLA wrote:

    Just a thought... Will this forever change the meaning of the phrase "The luck of the Irish"????

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  • 306. At 5:00pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Adam,how can the Beatles be all that is wrong about music and life?How can blues music be the same?then you present a list of complete tat.H2H so it's just us having a whinge then?

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  • 307. At 5:00pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    RBA - there is no Christmas TOTP any more - nor is there any other way to stop Cowell than the might of the Pet Shop Boys (especially as they are touring the UK next month and play the 02 3 days before Christmas so should sell a lot of copies as tehy will perform teh Christmas song live I suspect at those concerts

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  • 308. At 5:00pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    erm sorry all im avin a few probs followint this speacially as Adampsb mentions " mars " from gustav Holtz, that has to be one of the most thoought evoking bits of music ever written.

    Its a mighty piece of Music thats for sure. Pity Hans Zimmer " cheated " with his score for Gladiator.

    Love " mars " the bringer of war " how about that for a national anthem then? instead what do we suffer? god save blah blah hardly inspiring is it, even the bands of the scots guards can do better than that .

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  • 309. At 5:00pm on 19 Nov 2009, Parag wrote:

    @298
    well, its the fact... i am happy that france won... is this the only dubious decision ever made in world football...>????

    should that chelsea vs manU match be replayed... check robbos last blog where he talks about that foul cry by SAF against refree and see what robbo has said...

    Seems Robbo has two tongues that speak in entirely different tones for two different teams...

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  • 310. At 5:02pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    306. At 5:00pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:
    Adam,how can the Beatles be all that is wrong about music and life?How can blues music be the same?then you present a list of complete tat.H2H so it's just us having a whinge then?

    ---------------------------

    The beatles have spawned so many poor sound-alikes and clones and everyone claims to be "influenced" by them.

    Blues just isn't my thing - bit like progressive jazz and rock that my parents like - it just meanders all over the place - not snappy and catchy like a good dance record

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  • 311. At 5:04pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    226. At 3:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, Griever wrote:
    Some people laughed at the idea of having officials behind the goal in the Europa League, but if such officials had been there last night

    Now whose laughing!!!!

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  • 312. At 5:04pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    294. At 4:49pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:
    you/Eggs resent the Irish for what you feel is their victim's mentality - that much is clear. but that has nothing to do with the issue at hand, and bringing it up is discrediting to your arguments, in my opinion.
    add to that comments like "it was a handball, but hardly crucial" from you and "You lost - big deal, get over it" from Eggs - you can expect to be called out.
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    pomeone brought up earlier that Sammi Hypia cheated us out of the FA cup in the final a few tyears ago, by handballing a goal bound shot. I never had a scream up about it because these things happen and life (you know the real important thing) goes on.

    Where were you on your moral high horse when Hypia was committing his act of villainy? Why didn't you champion his public execution? The fact I have no problem with ireland is neither here nor there, i don;t care about them, just this insane, pleading and hand wringing is as pathetic top read and listen to as it is futile.

    Cheating happens - Fact!
    Cheating will always happen despite your whinging about it - Fact!
    Will I get high blood pressure over it? - No!
    Will you get high blood pressure over it? - Probably.

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  • 313. At 5:04pm on 19 Nov 2009, Chilli-Dog wrote:

    This argument is driving me bloody mad, people! A whole collection of twerps shrugging their shoulders and going 'so what? everyone cheats'.
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    Let me tell you where I'm coming from. I played football off and on in local leagues for works teams etc. until I was 48. Certainly as an adult I never fouled anyone deliberately, never deliberately handled the ball or tried to con the ref; so I have a strong sense of fair play.

    Since I was 7 I've watched professional football, and support Man Utd and England. Let's be honest, on many occasions I've seen seen my players cheating, and I don't like it, but I still keep watching. I've seen Ronaldo con the ref (and sometimes be slated for it), and I've seen opposition players deliberately foul Ronaldo (and not be slated for it). Many times I've chanted 'Cheat' at opposition players when they've gained an advantage by cheating, but I've never howled 'Cheat' at one of my own team's players. Robbo, have you abused Boro players when you've seen them cheating? I suspect not.

    Imagine what it would be like if Capello said that any England player caught cheating (shirt-pulling, trying to con the ref, deliberately fouling) would be sent home from South Africa immediately. If he demanded that if we were given a decision in error the player involved said 'No ref - it's not a penalty, free kick, etc...'. If he demanded that when a player accidentally fouled someone and the ref didn't blow up the player must say 'Sorry ref, I fouled him'. That would be great in the spirit of fair play, but it would reduce our chances of winning. Would you support that?

    Cheating at the top level isn't going to be stamped out unless the FIFA top brass develop spines, and that's about as likely as Santa coming down my blocked-up chimney on Christmas Eve. If they wanted to try they'd need to stamp out cheating by defenders (which doesn't get much attention) as well as cheating by attackers.

    Roll on fair play in football...

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  • 314. At 5:05pm on 19 Nov 2009, eezy_squeezy wrote:

    For me, this whole sorry saga brings to the table the altogether bigger question of just how much the obscene wealth generated by and spent by some of the largest sports worldwide (Football, NFL, even cricket to an extent), has eroded and destroyed much of what we generally perceive to be 'fair' about these games?

    To put Mr Henry's actions into context. Despicable. Shameful. And unfortunately fairly run of the mill.

    And who can blame him?

    After all, wasn't FIFA's jiggery pokery with the play-off format surely not just as shameful,if not more,than Henry's beach volleyball antics in Paris last night.

    Disrespect, getting ahead at all costs, double dealing,looking after yourself at all costs, crush anyone who gets in your way.

    I wonder is sport reflecting our society, or is society reflecting our sport?

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  • 315. At 5:06pm on 19 Nov 2009, Rovers Return - HKR AWAY DAYS wrote:

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  • 316. At 5:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    311. At 5:04pm on 19 Nov 2009, followingborohurts wrote:
    226. At 3:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, Griever wrote:
    Some people laughed at the idea of having officials behind the goal in the Europa League, but if such officials had been there last night



    Now whose laughing!!!!
    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    The names Sepp Blatter & Michel Platini spring to mind.
    And maybe a few fromage munchers will be wearing a wry smile.

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  • 317. At 5:10pm on 19 Nov 2009, BeyondThePale wrote:

    Definitely society reflecting sport.
    A greedy, self-centred generation simply asserting itself.

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  • 318. At 5:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    277. At 4:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:
    if memory serves me right Gregg Lake is from Emerson Lake and Palmer?

    Cheers gilly - but which one was he or if you prefer where is E L and P?

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  • 319. At 5:13pm on 19 Nov 2009, Antiflow wrote:

    "Thing is though, this incident will live long in the memory when Thierry Henry is spoken about in years to come. I think he will come to regret it."


    No I doubt it.

    You see the rest of the world doesn't care about some no mark team getting knocked out the World Cup QUALIFIERS.

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  • 320. At 5:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    ScotchEggsRule

    sorry for late response.

    Englands group was hardly taxing it was as they say a walk in the park and we have seen nothing from england to suggest they have improved or indeed have any chance of reaching the qtrs in the WC.

    what is " tripe and utter nonesense " is all the hype surrounding englands " impressive " campaign. as give by all the pundits and sportswriters england will be getting an early plane home thats for sure.

    and i am happy to leave Henry alone as he no longer plays for Arsenal,perhaps thats just as well or a lot of peeps will be crying for Arsenal to be docked points in the PL.

    in my view Robbo and lot of others are wrong to judge the guy on this incident. I happen to appreciate the stuff henry did whilst at Arsenal, and when you think about it, he would have done the same no matter what team he played for such was his skill and profesionalism.

    he admits he " handled " the ball ok so its after the event but come on, you tell me any player from any other team who would have begged to have the goal disalowed? coz he aledgedly " cheated " for the actual goal to be scored.

    Thers is not a single player Irish French italian english who would do so henry did not dive for a penalty to win the french the game, he lept the ball in play with his hand! the ref should have spotted it.

    deal with it! and stop bashing the credentials of a fine player.

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  • 321. At 5:17pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Wonder if the irish FA regret this in view of the fact that they have apparently asked for a replay - funny at the time but ....

    377. At 10:59am on 13 Nov 2009, TommyOnion wrote:

    loved this, btw...

    http://irishsoccerinsider.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/french-and-irish-fall-out-over-box-incident/

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  • 322. At 5:19pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Further to our discussion the other nigth I ended up having a Parmo for me tea yesterday - actually as it was about 7pm you southerners may wish to call it dinner
    And I am about to have ..... a pie ...
    Robbo!!! Your blog has got a lot to answer for ... crikey!!!

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  • 323. At 5:22pm on 19 Nov 2009, jonny on the ball wrote:

    I like many football supporters last night watched the match, nothing unusual about that fact. The difference being that I watched the match in France, where I live with the French supporters and I'm English.

    When this incident happened with "Thierrygate" Henry keeping the ball in play during extra time the mood changed after they celebrated the to the realization that it was handball, to shock! They were happy that France won obviously, but as I discussed with the locals they agreed that this was very bad for the game as he must have known that there are so many cameras in the ground that it would have been picked up later. Would this have been different if it had happened to England instead of France, in the English pub?

    What is this telling our children. It's hard enough coaching as it is without this happening. It will happen again until the TV replay system is brought into play. Rugby & cricket to mention two sports use it and football at the moment has a bizarre fact that my mum can watch a replay of the incident with seconds but the referee who makes the decision knows nothing about it.

    There was a quote saying "Don't blame Henry". Don't make me laugh who's fault is it then?

    Both sets of fans, clubs, teams, players, management want the correct decisions at the end of the day so use the technology.

    http://jonnyontheball.blogspot.com/

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  • 324. At 5:23pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    320. At 5:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:
    sorry for late response.
    what is " tripe and utter nonesense " is all the hype surrounding englands " impressive " campaign. as give by all the pundits and sportswriters england will be getting an early plane home thats for sure.
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    No worries fella, I have never bought into the rediculous hype surrounding England and never will. But to say that they "hardly" deserve to be there is completely innaccurate, they followed teeh rules beat whomever was in front of them and qualified properly, where in all of that does it indicate they "hardly" deserved to be there?
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    Thers is not a single player Irish French italian english who would do so henry did not dive for a penalty to win the french the game, he lept the ball in play with his hand! the ref should have spotted it.
    deal with it! and stop bashing the credentials of a fine player.
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    I couldn't agree with you more!

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  • 325. At 5:28pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    322. At 5:19pm on 19 Nov 2009, followingborohurts wrote:
    Further to our discussion the other nigth I ended up having a Parmo for me tea yesterday - actually as it was about 7pm you southerners may wish to call it dinner
    And I am about to have ..... a pie ...
    Robbo!!! Your blog has got a lot to answer for ... crikey!!!
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    It IS called dinner! Tea is what you drink lol

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  • 326. At 5:28pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Just one question as an example for you Tim about the change in the modern game: How long do you think teams and managers have been training players on how to dive? Not telling them to do it, but training them how - run towards goal, kick the ball away from the keeper, and then leave the trail leg until the inevitable "touch"? Can you imagine Bobby Charlton doing it?

    I wasn't alive when Charlton played, so i can't answer that, but i do know that football pre-Charlton contained players intent on causing serious injury to the best attackers of their day, which i view as worse than diving. It's the devil or...

    Most likely their have been managers and players attempting to cheat on and off the pitch for a very long time, whether they dedicate training sessions to it is another matter.

    adam - i apologise, each to their own, musically.

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  • 327. At 5:28pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    Chilli: "That would be great in the spirit of fair play, but it would reduce our chances of winning. Would you support that?"

    I'm not sure it would. When our players went to ground under fouls then they would be given because they'd know and have confidence that it wasn't playacting.

    You'd think. But then of course, the officials only spot something if you over-act it so they can see. They rarely spot the true foul, and are conned by the blatent dive. So it wouldn't necessarily change just because no players from England were diving.

    Back, i guess, to it being down to the officials to make the decisions right, or be supported with technology. We can fire a bomb through a window from a mile away. I'm sure we can tell whether a ball has crossed the line, or whether someone is offside.

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  • 328. At 5:29pm on 19 Nov 2009, MegaSpur wrote:

    212. At 3:44pm on 19 Nov 2009, hypnotist wrote:

    The hand of frog !

    ROFL!!

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  • 329. At 5:31pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    DG3: "deal with it! and stop bashing the credentials of a fine player."

    The credentials of a fine player include openly cheating. I guess then you hold Ronaldo in rapture and would never bash him for a dive?

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  • 330. At 5:32pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    FBH - lovely creative advertising

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  • 331. At 5:33pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Cheers Eggs - I will remember that next time Im in the Battle Cruiser :)

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  • 332. At 5:34pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    326. At 5:28pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    Most likely their have been managers and players attempting to cheat on and off the pitch for a very long time, whether they dedicate training sessions to it is another matter.
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    Rodney Marsh was a self confessed diver and cheat who always managed to kick the back of his own heels just when a playwer or goalkeeper came near him. Cheating HAS been done for years an always will, people lamenting about "what has become of the game" are talking out of there Arsenal's the game back then had it's cheats but also less talented players with cart blanche to kick the living crap out of anything with a sembalnce of skill, was that not cheating also?

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  • 333. At 5:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    328. At 5:29pm on 19 Nov 2009, MegaSpur wrote:
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    Would that nickname of yours name be a description of Tom Hudds wasitline?

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  • 334. At 5:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Cheers Tim - I should have bought shares in the Parmo!!!! And the pie was pukka!!! Hmmmmm

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  • 335. At 5:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    followingborohurts

    Emerson was the keyboardist and a very good one at that


    and to:

    Rovers Return - "COME ON ENGLAND!" utter RUBBISH in caps as well.

    you just watch and wait as this tournamnet unfolds how many others will be seen to " cheat " and yes that includes that shower you obviously support for week in week out they cheat and dive thier way through the season.

    Henry has no reason at all to feel any shame.


    he played by the rules afterall, its not his fault if the ref didnt see it and the same thing happens week after week after week in the PL as well.



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  • 336. At 5:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    What about - "Don't blame Henry for handling the ball any more than you would have done if he'd been caught and Ireland had won (or lost on penalties etc)".

    Two seperate issues, a player with a reputation for honesty (?) and integrity cheats".

    and

    "The officials made an error with larger than normal consequences".

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  • 337. At 5:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    331. At 5:33pm on 19 Nov 2009, followingborohurts wrote:
    Cheers Eggs - I will remember that next time Im in the Battle Cruiser :)
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    Hey that's more like it! Remember to jump in the jam jar down the frog and toad with your shina's to the rub-a-dub for a few swift sherberts then out for a Ruby, maybe club it and pull a couple of treacles! :o)

    Parmo's sound great, will have to petition Borat (my local chippy looks like Borat) to start producing such fine, high cholesterol filled goodies!

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  • 338. At 5:38pm on 19 Nov 2009, Ben wrote:

    I think once the ref has made a decision in this situation it needs to stand, but FIFA should introduce a sytem where they can dish out retrospective punishment to a player after the game.

    For obvious cheating like Henry did last night then FIFA should ban him from going to South Africe. See how he likes that one!

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  • 339. At 5:38pm on 19 Nov 2009, acorreger wrote:


    I'm a French supporter, living in England and our qualification last night means little to me. I wish we weren't going now , even though in a couple of months that will probably change.
    Henry's assist leaves a bitter taste.Ireland were the better team, they outplayed and out fought us and deserve to be going to the world cup instead of us. We were terrible , devoid of any cutting edge . We couldn't deliver a dead ball and our defence would have been torn apart by a top side. Domenech inspires no one.Not his players , not the fans.
    What a dreadful performance, Domenech should leave, they play with fear in their bellies because of his defensive outlook.
    The better team lost and unfairly through anti play. However this is so common in football , wether it be diving, simulating being hit by opponents and all forms of conning the referee that it's not surprising.
    AS an amateur footballer I have to be honest and say that I would have handled to gain an advantage. However I would have regretted it afterwards. With this manager and this level of play , my beloved French 11 will not get passed the first round of the world cup anyway.

    Dissapointed.

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  • 340. At 5:39pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    337. At 5:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
    Parmo's sound great, will have to petition Borat (my local chippy looks like Borat) to start producing such fine, high cholesterol filled goodies!
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    why would a carpenter make food?

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  • 341. At 5:39pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    The Irish FA spokesman just said the game was watched by the whole world ... no it wasnt ... not me anyway .. I was watching Slovenia v Arshavin ... result!!!
    The sanctimonious preaching now is a bit annoying
    We should have what we can to stop the cheats - video replays - extra refs - retrospective bans/fines

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  • 342. At 5:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, TNeile wrote:

    The French cheat. It's as simple as that. As do the Italians and the Portuguese. I watched the Egypt-Algeria match, and these sides have raised the level of cheating to more than an art. I don't think they see football as sport...I think they see it as magical realism. A French woman I know (a very articulate Parisian who specializes in intercultural communication) tells me that what the English and Americans see as cheating simply isn't seen as cheating in other cultures. It's seen as doing whatever you can to win, and no questions asked. There is, apparently, no honor in losing.

    As I watched the France-Ireland match, I found myself cursing at the screen often, wondering when someone was going to take some of the diving, playacting, petulant French players by the scruff of the neck and tell them that if they didn't stop they'd be sent to their rooms with no supper.

    Video replay is workable. Do it the way we do it in the NFL. Each side gets to request one and only one review during the entire match. That will discourage endless replays from slowing the game.

    As for cheating? Yellow cards. Suspensions. This, like it or not, is historically an English sport (I'm not English, I'm American, so no axe to grind). It should be played with English rules of sportsmanship. I don't tout American sports, because I'm mostly not interested in them. But this level of cheating and poor officiating is simply unheard of here. It wouldn't stand for a week. And it needn't be tolerated in football. But really, who didn't see it coming? France is the chosen side. Ireland? Thanks for the Guinness, lads, now go home. No?

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  • 343. At 5:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    335. At 5:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:
    followingborohurts

    Emerson was the keyboardist and a very good one at that

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    He wasnt bad in midfield for the Boro either!!!

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  • 344. At 5:42pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Scotch - my point. At least (and it is a very small compensation) they are cheating to score, not to cripple.

    FBH - see, we're talking, it is true.

    Socialise with Pukka Pies

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  • 345. At 5:43pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    Eggs: "the game back then had it's cheats but also less talented players with cart blanche to kick the living crap out of anything with a sembalnce of skill, was that not cheating also?"

    Yes, but its a bit late for retrospective punishment for them now - well, maybe not in Marsh's case.

    Isn't it better to clean up the game now, than let it be as bad as always? I thought progress was a good thing, but Football is a sport that resists change more than lawn Bowls.

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  • 346. At 5:44pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    actually, that's not entirely true. They're happy to consider an extra pointless game at the end of the season, or to screw up the offside trap, but not to make decisions that actually affect the outcome of games better.

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  • 347. At 5:44pm on 19 Nov 2009, 2 of 3 wrote:

    As an Arsenal supporter, I am ashamed of Henry. To blot his copy book with this, after such a stellar career! Shame!

    As a France supporter, I am also ashamed.

    This is a hard one for any Irish supporter to swallow . . . even after the last-minute seeding. I feel really sorry for the Irish.

    2/3

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  • 348. At 5:44pm on 19 Nov 2009, stuart forsyth wrote:

    Please do me a favour and begone with the self righteous moralism...who amongst us at any level of competitive sport hasn't 'cheated'? ...and when we did did we turn to the ref and say...'Old chap, desist from awarding the goal, I was yards offside" or..."sorry ref, I handled the ball when you weren't looking, I know I scored the winning goal, but please chalk it off, I behaved unfairly"...

    Henry handled, got away with it, admitted it and France won. Oh, and by the way, even if he had admitted his hand ball to the ref, there is not a damned thing the ref can do about it.The rules don't allow for that type of thing

    Dead sad for the boyos, love them to bits, they so deserved to get through but wasn't to be.

    Didn't hear Geoff Hurst go up to the ref in'66 and say " I say ref, I do not believe the ball fully crossed the line"...did you?

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  • 349. At 5:45pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    340. At 5:39pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:
    337. At 5:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:
    Parmo's sound great, will have to petition Borat (my local chippy looks like Borat) to start producing such fine, high cholesterol filled goodies!
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    Very good! I can see this going the way of that Peter kay Sketch about a northern lad struggling to come to terms with garlic bread. "Garlic and Bread? Garlic bread?" :o)

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  • 350. At 5:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, 2 of 3 wrote:

    I forgot to add: For admitting handball, Henry should be banned from the World Cup.

    2/3

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  • 351. At 5:49pm on 19 Nov 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    TNeile - your opening statement is a bit of a sweeper. Have you heard of Neil Back/Dwain Chambers/our Olympic hero Linford Christie/Barry Bonds? It's easy to point fingers abroad and say we're naive, but the main difference you seem to be outlining is the Latin temperamenr, which is flair and drama.

    Don't get me wrong, i'm sick of watching Drogba hold off four players one minute, then crumple under a defender's breath the next, or Ronaldo being almost superhuman and then moaning like a toddler, but cheating/competing is one of the things that unites us as a species.

    And should be celebrated? Ha,

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  • 352. At 5:50pm on 19 Nov 2009, Oliver Jones wrote:

    Robbo, a fantastic blog in my opinion. Usually, I think many of your blogs can go off on a pointless moment and you use analogies that are far from the truth. However, this one was spot on.

    My only complaint with technology is how far do you go with it? Why should it only be around the penalty area that a foul is reviewed? If the right back is scythed down and no free-kick is given for it, surely you should bring in the video then? And before people say you can't score from there, a pinpoint free kick could find the right person to smash it in top corner.

    Other than that, well done!

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  • 353. At 5:50pm on 19 Nov 2009, Rob Docherty wrote:

    FIFA is the laughing stock of the sports world after yesterday's Rep of Ireland travesty. When will they move out of the 20th Century and utilize technology to prevent this kind of thing in the future? The arguments against - avoiding play stoppages (alredy happens with injuries) and tradition (human ref decisions part of the game) are weak when compared with yesterday's result. Getting the result right needs to be the most important factor in this debate. A 45-60 second tape review by a 5th official in the stands would've solved the problem. Wake up FIFA.

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  • 354. At 5:50pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    345. At 5:43pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:
    Isn't it better to clean up the game now, than let it be as bad as always? I thought progress was a good thing, but Football is a sport that resists change more than lawn Bowls.
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    Yes, but why is it only cried out for when it is a foreign player or team that cheat. Why do we not hear this bleeding heart rubbish from blogs like this one when it is Rooney or Gerrard cheating? It is some inbuilt English xenophobia that only Johnny foreigner can cheat and when one of ours does it, it's being clever. Fact is English players cheat also, but the media never start bashing one out over it......why?

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  • 355. At 5:50pm on 19 Nov 2009, stuart forsyth wrote:

    Grandpa...Clive Dunne for Christmas No. 1

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  • 356. At 5:51pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    340. At 5:39pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:
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    Jack: I see where the breakdown in communications begun, I should of said Chippeh not Chippy! My bad.

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  • 357. At 5:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, MegaSpur wrote:

    333. At 5:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    328. At 5:29pm on 19 Nov 2009, MegaSpur wrote:
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    Would that nickname of yours name be a description of Tom Hudds wasitline?

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    Sorry if my handle offends you oh King of the message board...I shall go flagellate myself with your mums undies immediately

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  • 358. At 5:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    Eggs: "Yes, but why is it only cried out for when it is a foreign player or team that cheat."

    I'm not sure I agree about that. But even if it is, that's the media not necessarily the fans. Did Arsenal not complain about Rooney? Did they not also complain about Fletcher? Did not others complain about Carragher?

    There is a blinkered eye on here that only notices complaints when they're foreign players, and maybe the press and bloggers stoke that fire by making more of it - but the fans watching the matches don't watch the English opponent dive or cheat and say, oh, that's ok, he's English.

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  • 359. At 5:55pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    A country divided by a single language!?!? Rub a dub dub!!! Yer jokin arn ya!

    Hey this blog is racing along - round robin on final result - Im going for a record or near record 1432....

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  • 360. At 5:56pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    It'll peter out about 1200 i reckon... can't imagine 2000 on the same subject across two blogs. I'm almost out of bile myself!

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  • 361. At 5:57pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    357. At 5:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, MegaSpur wrote:
    Sorry if my handle offends you oh King of the message board...I shall go flagellate myself with your mums undies immediately
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    So your immature as well as being a Spud, how many low blows can life land on one unfortunate pleb?

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  • 362. At 5:58pm on 19 Nov 2009, MegaSpur wrote:

    you started it troll

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  • 363. At 5:58pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    358. At 5:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:
    There is a blinkered eye on here that only notices complaints when they're foreign players, and maybe the press and bloggers stoke that fire by making more of it - but the fans watching the matches don't watch the English opponent dive or cheat and say, oh, that's ok, he's English.
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    I agree totally, that we don't, as fans sit there and say he didnt dive because he is English, the media how ever do. And mnay fans lap it up like it is mothers milk.

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  • 364. At 5:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    355. At 5:50pm on 19 Nov 2009, stuart forsyth wrote:

    Grandpa...Clive Dunne for Christmas No. 1
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    I'd take that over the pet shop boys my friend.Will your dad be ok for strictly on saturday?

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  • 365. At 6:02pm on 19 Nov 2009, ScotchEggsRule wrote:

    362. At 5:58pm on 19 Nov 2009, MegaSpur wrote:
    you started it troll
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    A light hearted dig made you decide to involve other peoples Mother's in a conversation? Do you still have your satchel over your shoulder? Or are you at home doing your school work? Grow up and get over yourself son, I already have.

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  • 366. At 6:03pm on 19 Nov 2009, deebal wrote:



    This is all sour grape!!! Henry a cheat? I am laughing to the Bank!

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  • 367. At 6:03pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    352. At 5:50pm on 19 Nov 2009, ojones88 wrote:
    Robbo, a fantastic blog in my opinion. Usually, I think many of your blogs can go off on a pointless moment and you use analogies that are far from the truth.
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    Huh- they are the best bits???

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  • 368. At 6:04pm on 19 Nov 2009, UnwedUnfed wrote:

    The whole media frenzy over this incident sparks of racism, really. A black, non-English player had the audacity to handle the ball and not tell the ref? The gall of the man! Of course, no English/Irish/Scottish/Welsh player has ever taken advantage of a poor refereeing decision. I see players in the Premiership tell the ref every time they handle the ball or commit a foul that is missed. It is so clean there are hardly any disputes whatsoever, and every time there is a disputed penalty or goal scored in England, the whole game is replayed.

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  • 369. At 6:05pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Megaspur - oh I thnk u started it - or overreacted - or got personal - chill :-)

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  • 370. At 6:07pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    " I guess then you hold Ronaldo in rapture and would never bash him for a dive? "

    but we are not talking about the reknowned tumbler we are talking about a player who did not himself profit from his hand of unfair play. his team obviously have but that is no excuse to just rip his reputation to shreds.

    how nice it would have been if henry had gone up to the ref and said I hand balled it so the goal should not count. but that did not happen so the irish have to deal with it.

    Henry is ya true professional both on an of the pitch, he gets paid well for his services and i can only assume when it comes to representing his country those services mean a hell of a lot more.

    he handled the ball! he did not fall over! he did not dive he did not try to decieve the offical what he did do was play to the whistle, if the ref did not " see " it thats hardly henrys fault is it?

    we each have a task to perform in the case of henry thats to play for his shirt its not his job to officiate hes not payed for that function.

    no matter what you or Robbo say the fact france have qualified is not the fault of Henry .

    its actually due to the fact over the qualifiers the Irish were utter *rap. but thats nothing new, just like the yanks they are not exactly blessed with football skills. and even when qualifying for any major tournament just like the scots, english and welsh they are there purely to make up the numbers and nothing more.

    waves mexican style.


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  • 371. At 6:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, UnwedUnfed wrote:

    Oh - and Shay Given actually told the ref yesterday that he had fouled Anelka and it should have been a penalty. But the ref had instructions from FIFA that he shouldn't agree with anything the Irish players said, so he told Given to sod off.

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  • 372. At 6:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    368. At 6:04pm on 19 Nov 2009, UnwedUnfed wrote:
    The whole media frenzy over this incident sparks of racism, really. A black, non-English player had the audacity to handle the ball and not tell the ref?
    Unwed - I dont want to get personal (see above) but thats nonsense. More to do with a top class player (who also played for a top 4 side) getting caught. It may not hae such a high profile in the UK if it happened in Slov v Arsh - I only hope video refereeing comes out of this as these things always tend to go against smaller teams even at club level.
    Its nowt to do with race or nationality ... imho.

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  • 373. At 6:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, jonny on the ball wrote:

    I like many football supporters last night watched the match, nothing unusual about that fact. The difference being that I watched the match in France, where I live with the French supporters and I'm English.

    When this incident happened with "Thierrygate" Henry keeping the ball in play during extra time the mood changed after they celebrated the to the realization that it was handball, to shock! They were happy that France won obviously, but as I discussed with the locals they agreed that this was very bad for the game as he must have known that there are so many cameras in the ground that it would have been picked up later. Would this have been different if it had happened to England instead of France, in the English pub?

    What is this telling our children. It's hard enough coaching as it is without this happening. It will happen again until the TV replay system is brought into play. Rugby & cricket to mention two sports use it and football at the moment has a bizarre fact that my mum can watch a replay of the incident with seconds but the referee who makes the decision knows nothing about it.

    There was a quote saying "Don't blame Henry". Don't make me laugh who's fault is it then?

    Both sets of fans, clubs, teams, players, management want the correct decisions at the end of the day so use the technology.

    http://jonnyontheball.blogspot.com/

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  • 374. At 6:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    360. At 5:56pm on 19 Nov 2009, GenesisRed wrote:
    It'll peter out about 1200 i reckon... can't imagine 2000 on the same subject across two blogs. I'm almost out of bile myself!
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    That´s the beauty of this blog G.R. the topics can chop and change and go in any direction, the France/Ireland disscussion started last night after lengthy disscussios about banks pies and crisps on a blog that was originally about the England, Brazil game.

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  • 375. At 6:16pm on 19 Nov 2009, UnwedUnfed wrote:

    At the behest of the FA, the Irish FA, the Scottish FA and the Welsh FA, FIFA have decided to review every goal scored during the World Cup qualifiers and replay matches wherever there was controversy. As a result, the 2010 world cup has been moved to 2012.
    Also, FIFA have decided to replay the entire 1986 World Cup - economists have calculated that the combined angst of the British Isles has been largely responsible for the global downturn, and the only solution is for the 1986 England team to play Maradona and 10 other Argentines repeatedly until they beat them and go on to win the 86 World Cup.

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  • 376. At 6:17pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    At 6pm on 19 Nov 2009 Homer Simpson wrote:
    1) "If practice makes perfect, and no one is perfect, why practice?"
    (Thanks to jonny)

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  • 377. At 6:18pm on 19 Nov 2009, FairPlayMotty wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 378. At 6:20pm on 19 Nov 2009, mike wrote:

    Does anyone else remember the Robbie Fowler incident?
    I can't remember who it was against but Robbie Fowler was in the box, he either slipped or the opponent got the ball, the referee gave the penalty and Fowler was pleading with the referee not to give it BECAUSE IT WASN'T A PENALTY!!!
    Now the referee gave the penalty, the penalty was scored but no celebration entailed.
    This is exactly what Thierry Henry should have done, no question about it, then even though he cheated at least he is owning up to it at exactly the time he should.
    Firstly Fowler didn't cheat as far as i remember and secondly he made sure that he was being honest.
    Henry has zero crdeibility now.

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  • 379. At 6:21pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    372 FBH mate, I can´t agree mate, the British media (red tops) can be seen as xenophobic at best, racist at worst.

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  • 380. At 6:23pm on 19 Nov 2009, jonny on the ball wrote:

    Thanks ... 376... "followingborohurts"

    Perhaps you would like to read the other quotes.

    Click on my Blog link below, if you dare!

    http://jonnyontheball.blogspot.com/2009/10/sporting-quotes.html

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  • 381. At 6:28pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    H2H - the red tops also have topless girls but that doesnt make them hypocritical and sexist ... aarrrgghhhh you seem to have a point :-)

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  • 382. At 6:30pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Why was fairplaymotty modded - I read nowt dodgy that I can recall

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  • 383. At 6:31pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    FairPlayMotty

    with a screen name like yours i suggest you naff off coz just like your namesake you have naff all of any sense to talk about when it comes to football.

    clown.

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  • 384. At 6:33pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #339 wrote
    Dissapointed.

    Are you in Tunbridge Wells by any chace

    and as for Emerson - good midfielder - i giuess a good keyboardist but not a patch on Chris Lowe musical genius

    PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

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  • 385. At 6:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Didn´t see anything wrong with it either, FBH, although I don´t think DG3 liked it that much.

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  • 386. At 6:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Safe journey home Adam?Let's stop now,people are trying to have a serious discussion and we keep clowning about.

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  • 387. At 6:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Gilly - it didnt stand out to me but you know best

    p.s. just seen bloke on telly from the Environmet Agency talking about the floods in Cumbria - he is called John Shatwell --- childish I know but it made me laff!!!!

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  • 388. At 6:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    GREG LAKE FOR CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

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  • 389. At 6:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Maybe wecan breal 1500 - lets face it we have the whole weekend and I'm sure some controversy came up in the FA Cup.

    I'm surprised that RBA isn't gloating about the fact that Waddock's Wycombe are out of the FA Cup and there's some northern guy who's always good for at least 50 posts on winning some dodgy league and cup double (and no I don't mean Man Utd)

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  • 390. At 6:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Hey Adam, got your home computer tickin´ again.

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  • 391. At 6:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    H2H,that reminds me,did you call me a closet gooner?

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  • 392. At 6:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, FairPlayMotty wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 393. At 6:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    388. At 6:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:
    GREG LAKE FOR CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

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    Now who's being childish

    PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

    H2H - yes it is working now. I think it just has an Onion allergy

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  • 394. At 6:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Adam,you know that you and I got modded for points 1 and 2 on this blog.Do you think the moderators just gave up then or will they rip out the entire lot and get us all to start again?
    DON'T PUT THE PET SHOP BOYS ANYWHERE NEAR NUMBER ONE FOR CHRISTMAS

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  • 395. At 6:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    391. At 6:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:
    H2H,that reminds me,did you call me a closet gooner?

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    You'd better be worried about that as that may force you buy Pet Shop Boys Christmas out of fan solidarity.

    although as a deal why don't we keep this campaign up but by the other persons respective Christmas records so we can insult them on boxing day.

    or we can listen to Rafa's post Christmas UB40 cover Red Red Whine

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  • 396. At 6:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    389, don´t make him angry adam, he seemed pretty peeved on here last time when he found some club with a website that didn´t know of his teams winning ways.

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  • 397. At 6:42pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    378. At 6:20pm on 19 Nov 2009, mike wrote:

    Does anyone else remember the Robbie Fowler incident?
    I can't remember who it was against but Robbie Fowler was in the box, he either slipped or the opponent got the ball, the referee gave the penalty and Fowler was pleading with the referee not to give it BECAUSE IT WASN'T A PENALTY!!!
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    Couldn't agree more Mike and it was against Arsenal btw (March 24th 1997 if you must know!). Actually he then missed the pen hitting it straight at Seaman only for Jason McAteer to slam in the rebound. Fowler won the Fair Play award for his behaviour.

    Having said that, you can see why many say it is totally down to the ref. The ref refused to listen to Fowler and awarded the pen even though Fowler was blatantly telling him it wasn't. So, if Henry had turned around and admitted his handball, the goal would have stood anyway, with the ref telling him that he saw it better than Henry anyway!

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  • 398. At 6:45pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    394. At 6:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:
    Adam,you know that you and I got modded for points 1 and 2 on this blog.Do you think the moderators just gave up then or will they rip out the entire lot and get us all to start again?
    DON'T PUT THE PET SHOP BOYS ANYWHERE NEAR NUMBER ONE FOR CHRISTMAS

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    I'd love to see them try that considering about 75% of the comments reference either Lake or PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE in some way.

    You'd end up with 270 or so comments reading

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

    That would be really ntertaining.

    I think we got done because they were the first 2 and you have to at least pretend to try and stick to the point for a while

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  • 399. At 6:47pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    391. At 6:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:
    H2H,that reminds me,did you call me a closet gooner?

    Guilty as charged, but to be fair I knew you were Ipswich through and through, though I came to the conclsion due to your "soft spot" for the gooners comments.

    Soft spot & closet in the same post, hope I don´t get modded.

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  • 400. At 6:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Couldn't agree more Mike and it was against Arsenal btw (March 24th 1997 if you must know!). Actually he then missed the pen hitting it straight at Seaman only for Jason McAteer to slam in the rebound. Fowler won the Fair Play award for his behaviour.

    Having said that, you can see why many say it is totally down to the ref. The ref refused to listen to Fowler and awarded the pen even though Fowler was blatantly telling him it wasn't. So, if Henry had turned around and admitted his handball, the goal would have stood anyway, with the ref telling him that he saw it better than Henry anyway!

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    Now that was fair play on Fowlers part - Suspect that if Henry had done so the ref would have given the goal anyway and booked Henry for dissent such is the level of pettiness that sometimes occurs.

    The extra goal line refs would have spotted it although I would say the real cheating was Fifa's last minute seeding off the play-offs as their marketing department had collective apoplexy

    PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

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  • 401. At 6:49pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    As we are at 400 and my kids are nagging me for computer access I will sign off and be back tomorrow -

    Remember

    PET SHOP BOYS CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE

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  • 402. At 6:51pm on 19 Nov 2009, 59th_street wrote:

    The only reason Fowler owned up is cos he realised how ludicrous it would look (a good thing, i think).
    But if there was a genuine unwillingness to score in the interests of fair play, why not put the ball wide? or softly into Spunky's arms?

    Not sure this is a good comparison...

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  • 403. At 6:52pm on 19 Nov 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    DaveGilmour @ 18:07

    I cannot let that post past.

    It is a disgracerful utterance.

    Firstly Ireland were far from *rap as you suggest. Believe me I watched them under Staunton and I know what *rap is as a result.

    Secondly this is not for one minute the fault of the referee. The blame lies fair and squarly at the feet of Mr. Henry.

    Just like it lies at the feet of every footballer who has ever dived, pulled a shirt or done anything else that is not in the rules of the game and tried to get away with it.

    Your, and those who have spouted the same excuse, reasoning is non-sensical at best and downright ugly at worst. You are giving carte-blanche for every footballer to try and con and decieve their way to winning as long as the ref doesn't see it.

    That is not football that I want to be a part of.

    There is a cancer threatening to consume our far from beautiful game at the minute. And I for one am very very close to giving up on it.

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  • 404. At 6:53pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    P.S. I'm so glad I'm living in Colombia and missing all the usual, annual ear-destroyers that make up the British Xmas No.1, or to use its nickname "the song we all hate in January"

    I have absolutely no idea what the likes of Peter Kay, PSB, X Factor "winners", or Crazy Frog are polluting your poor eardrums with. All I know is I feel blessed not to have to listen to them!

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  • 405. At 6:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    I too am off home to my wife and family.H2H,I don't mind being associated with your remarks.
    I bid you all a good evening and please don't buy any pet shop boys records.

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  • 406. At 6:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    404, Tom, Indeed one of the plus points of living an exile.

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  • 407. At 7:04pm on 19 Nov 2009, 59th_street wrote:

    I'm completely with Gaz and his sentiments.

    As a half decent player myself (my other half was useless) I would have liked to have played to a good level but the thing putting me off, and it still does, is the petulance, cheating, nastiness and 'try-it-and-see-if-you-get-away-with-it' attitude in football.

    it saddens me, and i now work with kids and i see it seeping in more and more.
    not a pretty sight and it is ALL learned behaviour, no-one is born like that.

    We may never create a perfect (football-)world but we should still keep trying to do so.....

    SIMON & GARFUNKEL FOR CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE (any song you like & none o'your pish)

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  • 408. At 7:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, mambo wrote:

    116. At 2:33pm on 19 Nov 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:
    107. At 2:26pm on 19 Nov 2009, mambohammer wrote:
    I think that 'JUMPIN ON THE BANDWAGON' by THE BLOGGERS is a cert for the BBC Christmas number one....

    Henry cheated, yes, but I would be amazed if any top player (even Irish) could put his hand on his wallet and swear by everything he worships, to never trying to cheat.

    Cheating in football is as natural as kids weeing in the swimming pool, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth, but will never be stopped..

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    This argument is driving me bloody mad, people! A whole collection of twerps shrugging their shoulders and going 'so what? everyone cheats'. I dunno whether there's many of us left who think that appraoching a game of footy with a bit of blinking honesty and integrity is the least we can bleeding well ask for.
    As for your comparison, mambohammer, I'm not taking my grandkid down the pool when your relatives are polluting the shallow end.
    ..........................................................

    I can honestly tell you that I have not seen a match since the introduction of the premier league where not a single player cheated in some way, if you can come up with a match played in total honesty, I would love to see it.

    Please do not get the wrong impression, I am of the old school(at my age I have to be), I detest all cheating, from the filthy two footed lung to the sneaky shirt tug and including the casual trip, the time wasting, the bullying of refs, the dives (all over the pitch), the fake injuries that keepers suffer when they have misjudged a cross, the elbows and of course the deliberate handball, but if I want to watch and enjoy what is left of the game I have to accept that cheating is part of it, to deny this is naive in the extreme.

    The biggest cheat that ever played in the premier league is the world player of the year, how much more do you need to be convinced.

    Climb down from the bandwagon, pop down the Blue Belle and have a pint with your mates, your blog is normally so much better than this.

    As for the kids in the pool, I doubt they would let you into our swimming pool anyway, unless you tied the whippet up outside and kept the ferrets caged.

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  • 409. At 7:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    403, Gaz

    I feel your pain, but "cheating" is, and always has been "part of the game".

    Take out every dive, shirt pull, penalty claim, foul, throw in claim, wrongly given offside, offside given when it was not, off ball incident, handball or what ever else could be construed as unfair play or cheating, and what do you have left?

    I'm not condoning it, it's just the way it is.

    The Irish F.A has rightly lodged a complaint to those who are truly responsable, FIFA. The ball is now in their court, so to speak, the future of the game is in their hands, let's see how they handle it.

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  • 410. At 7:23pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    404. At 6:53pm on 19 Nov 2009, Tom Halstead wrote:

    P.S. I'm so glad I'm living in Colombia and missing all the usual, annual ear-destroyers that make up the British Xmas No.1, or to use its nickname "the song we all hate in January"

    I have absolutely no idea what the likes of Peter Kay, PSB, X Factor "winners", or Crazy Frog are polluting your poor eardrums with. All I know is I feel blessed not to have to listen to them!

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    Well I do live in England but I'm too busy making my ears bleed every night listening to gothic metal to spare the time to have my ears bent by that top 40 rubbish.

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  • 411. At 7:25pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    oh my word.

    i was just about to lay into the embarassing DG3 when i saw that Gaz took the words right out of my mouth... this is a very frightening development, indeed.

    what's more, i find myself opposed to almost all the other Gooners here on this issue, while several Mancs have gone on record as being sickened by Henry's conduct. what the heck is going on?!

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  • 412. At 7:30pm on 19 Nov 2009, Fun_n_Games wrote:

    Not so much 'The Hand of God' as 'The Hand of Gaul'.

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  • 413. At 7:30pm on 19 Nov 2009, FairPlayMotty wrote:

    If I worked for the BBC like Clarkson, Ross, Brand etc, I could freely comment on this topic without any fear of censorship. I've now twice tried to make a factual statement (very tame by the standards of BBC staff) on this article and both have been removed.

    Why is there a need for extreme double standards at the BBC? Why are the paying customers allowed less freedom than the millionaire employees?

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  • 414. At 7:31pm on 19 Nov 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Not only am I worried about the future of football but I now am worried for the future of the world. Surely the rapture is approaching if Denis and I are agreeing on something!


    H2H I actually don't feel that much pain at Ireland not getting to the WC. What I do feel pain about is that I am falling out of love with football because of the disgraceful antics of the players.

    Henry, needless to say, annoyed the h*ll out of me last night but I am just as peeved at the Ireland players who in post-match interviews said they don't blame Henry but the referee.

    I have no love for referees but the blame here lies with the player, as it does every other time any one of them cheats.

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  • 415. At 7:31pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    Anyone who thinks FIFA are going to do anything I'll say this: I've seen flatulence with more get up and go than that useless lot.


    And anyway, they're all busy with Egypt/Algeria right now.

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  • 416. At 7:33pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    414. At 7:31pm on 19 Nov 2009, GazUtd wrote:

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    Indeed, as I type I hear what might be the hooves of four horses clomping by on the road outside.

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  • 417. At 7:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    fair play #339 & 347 - both Frenchmen, both ashamed and regretful just like Ginola and others have admitted to being.

    c'mon - who wants to tell these guys that they're wrong?

    interesting to see the French sentiment juxtaposed with the "wot's the big deal" attitude espoused by so many English. hmmmm.

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  • 418. At 7:40pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

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  • 419. At 7:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Gaz - i have the ridiculous urge to buy you a pint right now.

    everyone in their cellar - quick! this is not a test!

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  • 420. At 7:42pm on 19 Nov 2009, assensai wrote:

    Robbo, what a load of contrived rubbish.
    You know the rules, you know the politics and you receive a fat salary from the BBC so mate, do your job better!
    Why incite personal abuse against an individual? That is not what this site is for.
    Henry did what every person that has played football has done at some point in time. He used his hand in the hope it wouldn't be penalised. Some do it defensively, some to gain advantage. But we ALL do it! In almost every game, one person gets away with a handball.
    This pretence at an offence and calling someone a cheat is just so hypocritical. And raising it in parliaments is simply banale.
    Yes, I feel sorry for Ireland; as an Englishman who suffered the Maradonna thing, well, we know how they feel. And they went on to win the World Cup!!!! And so to the Irish I would say, yell about it if it helps you to do that. To everyone else, just shut up! Including you Robbo, unless you have something constructive to say like appealing for the use of technology.
    If I had written that article, it would have been moderated out. Henry committed no crime, at all. There is not one great player that has not got away with the odd handball offence. At the tender age of 66, I've seen a lot of games and noticed a lot of "cheating" and done a fair bit myself too. Robbo, try to be like the only people to come out of this whole issue with credit, ie. the Irish players, all of which have admitted that he is NOT to blame.
    It's just the way football is and always was!

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  • 421. At 7:44pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

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  • 422. At 7:45pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Things like offside goals where it is genuinely something the linesman didn't spot you can almost live with (even though it's hard to do so sometimes) but deliberate cheating like handling the ball teh Henry did or professional fouls like Carraghers on Owen they are what really grates on my nerves

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  • 423. At 7:46pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

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  • 424. At 7:47pm on 19 Nov 2009, 59th_street wrote:

    assenssi - 'henry committed no crime at all' !!!!!!!!!

    err....rrrrright

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  • 425. At 7:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, brereton wrote:

    Ban Henry from playing in the world cup and maybe other players will resist the temptation to cheat in the future. Get the cheats out of football

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  • 426. At 7:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    420. At 7:42pm on 19 Nov 2009, assenssi wrote:
    Robbo, what a load of contrived rubbish.
    You know the rules, blaahblahblah
    It's just the way football is and always was!
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    So lets do sumat about it ... like video replays for refs, retrospectve bookings etc

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  • 427. At 7:48pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    you can't spell assenssi without a...

    you know who else didn't "commit a crime"? the man who stood idly by as an elderly woman was being mugged on the sidewalk. he's not a cop - it's not HIS responsibility to protect the defenseless, right?

    "It's just the way football is and always was" - right, so why try and right the wrongs of the past... great point, Sir!

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  • 428. At 7:50pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Adam - forgive me that I didnt read all your review of teh PSB's latest album . not much interest Im afraid ... now if it was the Smiths ...
    Morrisey for xmas No1!!!

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  • 429. At 7:50pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

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  • 430. At 7:51pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    411, Denis, TH was an Arsenal legend, (still is) last night a match was played between France & ROI, what this has to do with Man Utd, Arsenal or why the red tops should feel so agrieved is beyond me.
    *John Cross from the Mirror said on his Twitter:

    "Next time Arsenal are cheated, no one can complain. This was a big game."

    Myles Palmer wrote

    "What a scumbag ! What a pitiful, cheating scumbag ! Thierry Henry, you are the scum of Paris, the scum of world sport, the scum of the earth." *

    This is the kind of garbage that some members of the media spew into the public domain just to "stir the pot" and it encourages anti foreigner feelings.
    I'm in no way condoning what he did, he cheated, plain and simple. But don't you think that they are taking it too far?

    *source-arseblog.

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  • 431. At 7:52pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Johnny Marr actually plays on a couple of tracks on Yes. I can't see Morrisey releasing anything this month after some idiot lobbed a bottle at him during a concert

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  • 432. At 7:52pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Dennis - ditto!!
    The Irish FA are now saying if Henry wants to be remebered like maradona ... I thought he was a hero south of the Border??? Only joking. Maybe the Irish might start supporting L'Angleteree .. maybe not???

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  • 433. At 7:52pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    If you cheated/broke the rules in any other profession in the world you'd face some sort of disciplinary action, some sort of punitive measure or the loss of your job.

    Why not in football? Why should that be any diferent?

    Start coming down on these motherpluckers like a ton of bricks and you'll straighten the game out in no time.

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  • 434. At 7:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, lobby wrote:

    Mambohammer,

    "Henry cheated, yes, but I would be amazed if any top player (even Irish) could put his hand on his wallet and swear by everything he worships, to never trying to cheat."

    Couldn't agree with you more. A lot of hypocritical self- righteousness is being spouted by a lot of people. As a Scot, I vividly recall cheering like hell, along with countless thousands of other Scottish supporters, when Joe Jordan clearly and deliberately handled the ball in the Welsh penalty area to gain Scotland a penalty which put us to the World Cup all those years ago!

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  • 435. At 7:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    429. At 7:50pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Interestingly enough given jackfbuxtons premonition the moderators have been slowly undermining my Pet Shop Boys Christmas campaign yet seem quite happy with comments about Linsey Dawn McKenzies nicebits and lesbian action between Carmen Electra and Lisa Gallagher

    That would be a interesting 4some -

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    They didn't seem to care too much about me swearing in French this morning on the old blog or my delve into Yaoi Manga terminology Adam.

    I just think the Mods have it in for the Pet Shop Boys :s

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  • 436. At 7:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    433. At 7:52pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starfire_995 wrote:
    If you cheated/broke the rules in any other profession in the world you'd face some sort of disciplinary action, some sort of punitive measure or the loss of your job.


    Hi Star ... unless one is a banker!?!?! In which case you get a bonus???

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  • 437. At 7:57pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    The french stopped Tony Blair becoming the first pres of europa?? Damn those frenchies ... Lets all hate the frecnhies lets all hate the frenchies nar nar nar hey????

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  • 438. At 7:58pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    428 FBH,
    "Morrisey for xmas No1!!!"

    Wouldn't exactly be a merry Christmas song, would it?

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  • 439. At 7:58pm on 19 Nov 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    I find it very interesting that there are loads of threads here saying Henry is a cheat (correctly so) and they are allowed to stay. But when I said the same thing about a certain England captain the other week they were all removed. Why is this BBC?

    For all of you that are saying "it's part of the game", "the ref should have seen it" and all the other piddling cr*p I simply say this...

    SHAME ON YOU.


    Denis, I'll have that pint now :)

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  • 440. At 7:58pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    The new chap is an "avid blogger" - whats one of them ... not seen him on here ... doesnt live in England ... prob a Man u fan???

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  • 441. At 8:01pm on 19 Nov 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Anyone who is prescribing a ban on French wine or any of the other anti-French sentiments needs to stop and stop now.

    This is not a French problem, this is a football problem.

    Last night it was a Henry problem. On Saturday it will probably be another player. It has to stop, something needs to be the turning point. Hopefully this can be it. I won't hold my breath though.

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  • 442. At 8:01pm on 19 Nov 2009, Dwanah wrote:

    Robbo, you can say whatever you one, but that's not going to change Henry's achievement. You only gave him the benefit of the doubt against Spain because it was not against a British team. Why don't you talk about France's penalty after Given's foul on Aneka? Because it is against a British team so it is wrong to talk about it. British players or teams never do wrong in the eyes of Britsh media. That's a shame.

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  • 443. At 8:02pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    This Charming Man is Santa
    There is a light that never goes out on top of the xmas tree
    Girlfriend in Coma wakes in time for xmas
    Panic, only 4 weeks left til xmas
    The boy with the thorn in his side was JC on the cross
    Strangeways here we come, when we cant pay the bills at xmas

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  • 444. At 8:03pm on 19 Nov 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Would anyone else like to point out the blindingly obvious to sumodd in post #442.

    I feel if I start I may get a bit carried away and regert it!

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  • 445. At 8:05pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    I can't believe that my post (431) was modded, I only quoted what UK jouirnalists had written.
    But I suppose it just proves my point that they are responsable for stirring up ill sentiment.

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  • 446. At 8:06pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    gaz - be my guest...

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  • 447. At 8:07pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    the modders are a bit ott today ... is it saf in disguise???

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  • 448. At 8:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    444 Gaz allow me.

    442, Sir, the REPUBLIC of Ireland is not a part of the U.K. and is therefore in no shape or form British.

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  • 449. At 8:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, mobhodannsdobheul wrote:

    152. At 2:59pm on 19 Nov 2009, BojanglesOfOz wrote:
    Ginger, How much fake blood has been spilled on the rugby field lately.

    Pulling out one isolated incident from a different sport doesn't discount any of the points I made about football...

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  • 450. At 8:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    h2h - u took the words ....

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  • 451. At 8:10pm on 19 Nov 2009, cleats wrote:

    I feel that the matter of Henry's handball is being blown out of proportion. While Henry admittedly handled the ball, how is this infraction different from someone tugging at a player's shirt during a corner kick or free kick or the tripping of a player as he attacks the opposition goal? Who is to say that those infractions did not prevent a goal from being scored? I am sure that there were many such infractions during this game. I am also sure that players have committed less obvious infractions to score goals or prevent others from scoring. S, Henry's infraction is no less or more severe than any of these and should be treated as such.

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  • 452. At 8:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, mobhodannsdobheul wrote:

    448. At 8:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    444 Gaz allow me.

    442, Sir, the REPUBLIC of Ireland is not a part of the U.K. and is therefore in no shape or form British.

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    Also, loving how adamant we are to point out that ROI is not British yet the BBC covers them as if they were.

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  • 453. At 8:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    438. At 7:58pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    428 FBH,
    "Morrisey for xmas No1!!!"

    Wouldn't exactly be a merry Christmas song, would it?

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    Wouldn't be the first 'cheery' Xmas song. We had Tears for Fears 'Mad World' covered and released the other year. ;)

    I wonder if the Darkness have something daft penned ...

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  • 454. At 8:13pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    cleats - one of my points is that we can stop it (or retrospectively punish) using technology. Goal line, replays etc
    I recall crouch tugging the hair of that fella years ago and dragging him down to score in the process. Lets use the technology to reduce it.

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  • 455. At 8:14pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    452. At 8:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, gingergenius wrote:

    448. At 8:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    444 Gaz allow me.

    442, Sir, the REPUBLIC of Ireland is not a part of the U.K. and is therefore in no shape or form British.

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    Yah, you can blame my family for that. One of my granddad's relatives had a hand in the Easter Uprising.

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  • 456. At 8:15pm on 19 Nov 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    I was well up for commenting on this, about how i'm disappointed in Henry, unsurprised that FIFA are sitting on their hands and in my fellow bloggers for diluting the main issue in a hail of tit for tat pettiness, but i can't be bothered. No-one is gonna go away from here having had their views changed by an enlivened debate, i just see a lot of heels being dug in. Poor form gentleman.

    One thing i will say, is that i really couldn't give 2 strands of Neville's Bumfluff about Christmas No.1. And i'm a Dj - it's kinda my job to care.

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  • 457. At 8:17pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Holloway2Holland wrote:
    411, Denis, TH was an Arsenal legend, (still is) last night a match was played between France & ROI, what this has to do with Man Utd, Arsenal or why the red tops should feel so agrieved is beyond me.

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    it has to do with Arsenal when a Gooner is weighing in on the Henry debate... do you forget that i am one too? of course Thierry is a legend for us, but i cannot in good conscience cut him slack, just like i don't cut Rooney any slack when he cheats against us. sorry, i'm just not a fan of hypocrisy. he cheated, celebrated the result of his cheat (which is almost more indefensible) and has yet to show any proper remorse like i feel a true gentleman should.

    will i still think fondly of him years from now? for the most part, probably - but i won't forget this... will you?

    again, he had an opportunity to do the right thing, the sporting thing, however above and beyond you feel it might have been. he chose to do the typical thing, and i promise you it will cause him some degree of discomfort in the short term, maybe even for the rest of his life.

    and of course those comments you copied were taking it too far - i'm not that much of a reactionary!

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  • 458. At 8:18pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Also, loving how AdamAnt we are to point out that ROI is not British yet the BBC covers them as if they were.
    Is he brining a xmas single out as well???

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  • 459. At 8:18pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    453 Star, sadly the Christmas period is also the time of the year with the highest suicide rate, I was just hoping that certain artists wouldn't be afforded the oppertunity to add to these numbers.

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  • 460. At 8:20pm on 19 Nov 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Well said Denis.



    (Now I hope the wife gets home before the 4 horsemen do their business)

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  • 461. At 8:20pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Re ROI/GB there does seem to be an affection towards the republic (small tho it is) in sport that certainly doesnt seem to be reciprocated. And as to why BBC gives so much attention - beats me - power - a market - lots of people from ROI work there????
    Star - I have an Irish Catholic surname and I am neither - mind you I dont half feel guilty about it!!!:-)

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  • 462. At 8:23pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Mighyjo - you know how on Shooting Stars when Vic and Bob pic up a handbag from under the desk and go OOOOHHHH??? Im doing it now.

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  • 463. At 8:23pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    444 Gaz allow me.

    442, Sir, the REPUBLIC of Ireland is not a part of the U.K. and is therefore in no shape or form British.

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    i think the even more "blindingly obvious" point was that Anelka dived!

    do your homework, summodd! (or perhaps you did, but on the FIFA website)

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  • 464. At 8:25pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    459. At 8:18pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    453 Star, sadly the Christmas period is also the time of the year with the highest suicide rate, I was just hoping that certain artists wouldn't be afforded the oppertunity to add to these numbers.

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    Something I'm all too aware of. I hate Xmas, it always plays merry hell with my demons, especially now they make a habit of cramming it down our throats at the start of September.

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  • 465. At 8:26pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    457, Dennis, glad you got to read that post before it magically disappeared, cheating is of course unforgivable, it's just the hypocrisy from certain members of a certain information spreading profession that ticks me off.

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  • 466. At 8:27pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Star/H2H - round mine for xmas day then - Im with you - cant even get a decent parmo that day. Actually should have put the full stop after parmo

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  • 467. At 8:27pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedAstaire² wrote:

    Contrary to what many on this blog would have us believe, cheating in football is not a modern phenomena. There has never been some kind of moral/ethical code governing how players behave, to win at all costs has always been the way. Cheating / unfair play has been around for as long as football itself, and has always been a part of the game.

    Had the shoe been on the other foot and Ireland had won by cheating, there would not have been such a ridiculous knee-jerk reaction as we've seen from Robbo et al. But it is again evidence of the obvious BBC bias. There have been many occasions when British players have cheated, but such examples will always be conveniently brushed under the carpet, in the same way that the French media will now do.

    What has changed in the last 20-30 years is the way that the media covers football, including a multitude of camera angles, super slow-motion replays (of course unavailable to officials who referee games in real time) and hours of studio analysis before and after games.. None of which was available in the "good ol days", therefore such incidents now seem more frequent because we at home have the benefit of modern technology.

    The issue in question should not be about Henry's reputation, (no one on this blog is in a position to say what they would have done were they in Henry's position with so much at stake, Robbo included) - it should be whether or not such technology should be used to irradicate refereeing irregularities. If not, then we have to accept that it's human nature to win at all costs and accept that refereeing errors will occur.

    I for one reckon that refs should wear little head cameras during the game, that way everyone could have an idea of exactly what a referee could see when such incidents occur

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  • 468. At 8:29pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    What it was is not what it is.
    What it is is not what it can be.

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  • 469. At 8:32pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    442, Sir, the REPUBLIC of Ireland is not a part of the U.K. and is therefore in no shape or form British.

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    Actually in terms of cultural influences it is considering Irish missionaries travelled both to Scotland and England to set up monasteries.

    Also a reasonable proportion of Irish people are descended from Welsh tribes who were displaced by the Celts and English who were fighting or fleeing the Romans and later Scandinavian invasions.

    In medieval times especially during the reigns of Richard II and Henry IV a lot of English settlers were encouraged by the monarchy.

    The key divisons between Great Britain and Ireland were of religion and sovereignty. As with te United States mistakes were made in the way that Irelnd was governed and with the country having a predominantly Catholic population they were always going to chafe at being ruled by a protestant country although the existence of Northern Ireland is a lasting testament to attempts to integrate the 2 nations and why ulyimately it was unsuccessful.

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  • 470. At 8:32pm on 19 Nov 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    At 8:27pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedAstaire² wrote:

    no one on this blog is in a position to say what they would have done were they in Henry's position with so much at stake, Robbo included


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    How dare you!

    You are accusing everyone of not knowing if they would have cheated or not.

    I bloody well know what I would have done and it wouldn't have been the same as Henry.

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  • 471. At 8:34pm on 19 Nov 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Mojo, welcome back! Nice to see that all that loud music hasn't had a negative impact on the wisdom within!

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  • 472. At 8:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    FBH - was 462 aimed at Me? I know my name is long but it's surely not above you to cut and paste?

    Re the real debate, Denis said it better than i could've in 457 - And yes, if it was Liverpool or England involved i'd feel the same. I have actually shouted (not quite booed) at my own players when they have cheated, and i'm not so naive as to think there was ever a time in football or life where people didn't cheat. But that does not mean i wouldn't do/give anything to stop it.

    I don't really like bringing race into arguments where it isn't necessary, but could you imagine if Martin Luther King took the stance "oh well, it's been going on this long, we'll never change them. It's just the way it is".

    As i say i really hate bringing race into it (i've had many arguments with other black people about this) but i couldn't think of a better example.

    And for the record, i hate PSB & ELP & X-Factor pretty much equally.

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  • 473. At 8:35pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    467, Red, like the idea of the ref-cam, FIFA could then do a real assessment on how good a job they have done.
    But if you'd have a ref-cam, then you might as well go the whole way and use video technology for all decisions.

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  • 474. At 8:36pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    458. At 8:18pm on 19 Nov 2009, followingborohurts wrote:
    Also, loving how AdamAnt we are to point out that ROI is not British yet the BBC covers them as if they were.
    Is he brining a xmas single out as well???


    NO.

    ---
    as for why GB likes the ROI to qualify for major tournaments is simply the lesser of 2 evils. Simply we're more confient of beating the Irish, Scots and Welsh than the French

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  • 475. At 8:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    469 adam, and there I was trying to keep it simple.

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  • 476. At 8:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, MAC1985 wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 477. At 8:37pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Mightymo - yeah mate - typed it - silly me - p.s. Im doing the handbag thing again :-)
    Trot - you have history with this chap?? Lol

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  • 478. At 8:40pm on 19 Nov 2009, adampsb wrote:

    h2h - I guess I'm just disappointed that Robbo did Horrid Henry rather than Great European Dynastic Houses or more importantly why the Pet Shop Boys should be the Christmas Number One

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  • 479. At 8:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, assensai wrote:

    To all that responded to my comment, excluding Robbo who is noticeably prominent by his absence, you miss my point which is that football has always had cheats and that the game has learned that cheats sometimes do prosper. Referees are not perfect which is why they need any new technology to reduce cheating.

    As regards this particular blog, I don't pay a Licence Fee to the BBC to allow a person to deliberately set out to debase another person, as this blog explicitly does. Henry played by the rules. Had the referee disallowed the goal, he would not have protested. As it happened, the goal stood. That is football according to the rules we go by today.

    The greatest footballer the world has ever seen was George Best and he was Irish and probably the most successful "deceiver of referees" that was ever born. He was just magical! (get my point?).

    My second point is that this particular blog is a misuse of the Licence Fee.....and you are welcome to comment Robbo....

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  • 480. At 8:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Well, hardly history but i've had the pleasure of enjoying Mojo's banter in the past. If I've got the right bloke that is! Mojo, you're TommyB's mate, right?

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  • 481. At 8:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    MAC1985 Its nowt to do with him being french - (see crouch comment and hair tugging) its the game - and the game lets them get away with so lets use technilogy - simples?????????

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  • 482. At 8:42pm on 19 Nov 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    RedAstaire - sorry you missed this the first time i posted it.
    enjoy!

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    By the way, here's point one in the Fifa Fair Play Code: "Play fair. Winning is without value if victory has been achieved unfairly or dishonestly. Cheating is easy, but brings no pleasure. Playing fair requires courage and character. It is also more satisfying. Fair play always has its reward, even when the game is lost. Playing fair earns respect, while cheating only brings shame. Remember: it is only a game. And games are pointless unless played fairly."

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  • 483. At 8:43pm on 19 Nov 2009, TerryFBH wrote:

    Assensi " Henry played by the rules. " - eeerrrr no he didnt

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  • 484. At 8:43pm on 19 Nov 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    well worth a repeat that Denis!

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  • 485. At 8:49pm on 19 Nov 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    Indeed i am trotts, although i must admit this is only a brief cameo - This blog made me late for work last week and i can't let it happen twice!

    As much as i'd like to stay here and rip assensi to pieces ( not getting caught does not constitute playing by the rules) I'll have to go - the students are getting restless for their Kings of Leon!

    Play nice till i get back.

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  • 486. At 8:51pm on 19 Nov 2009, Mightymojo wrote:

    And FBH i forgive you.
    Unfortunately i was subjected to Heart FM as a child, and have developed quite an allergy to christmas music in general.

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  • 487. At 8:51pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedAstaire² wrote:

    Gaz, my point being that it's easy from the comfort of our armchairs to say what we would/wouldn't do, but until you have the weight of a WHOLE nation on your shoulders it's easy to take the moral high ground.

    H2H - I agree, and would welcome replays to assist referees - Football is less a sport and more and more huge business, there should be measures in place to ensure that such mistakes don't occur, as the impact of human errors like these can be devestating

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  • 488. At 8:54pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    479. At 8:41pm on 19 Nov 2009, assenssi wrote:

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    Sorry to wazz all overyour arguement but the last time I checked handball was against the rules of football.

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  • 489. At 8:56pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedAstaire² wrote:

    Denis - that's a good point. And I agree..
    I wasn't advocating cheating, simply pointing out that it has and probably always will be a part of the game..

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  • 490. At 8:56pm on 19 Nov 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    And anyway, I don't like the fact MY license fee is wasted on drivel like Eastenders but i don't bang on about that.

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  • 491. At 8:57pm on 19 Nov 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    RedAstaire it is easy for me and others to take the high moral ground on this because I have morals that would have prevented me from doing what Henry did last night, it is that simple. No matter how many people would have been willing me to win.

    You are also insulting a "WHOLE nation" by insinuating that they would have wanted Henry to do what he did. The majority of French people I have heard today are disgusted by it. I know I would be if it was someone Irish, in fact I am disgusted at the Irish players who condoned it.

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  • 492. At 9:01pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:


    " It's not good enough to say 'I handled it, but I'm not the referee.' "

    My My the word " cheat " is being very librally used these days.

    so now we have a situation when a player " handballs " and he's now branded a " cheat "

    I trust all those that are subscribing to such a crass view will still make the same accusations of " cheating " when the handball perhaps occurs elsewhere on the field but as a result does not direcetly lead to a goal scoring opportunity?

    we could even go further and say; the player took the ball out of play and went on to make a pass which then led to a winning goal is he a " cheat " as well? the player of course knew it was out of play but played on and didnt run up to the ref and say " hey mate the ball was out " or words to that effect.

    or the handball could have occured somewhere on the halfway line which again led to a pass which led to a winning goal?

    some of you on here are acting like complete fools and this word cheat seems to easy roll out ya gobs.

    now then, if it was the case, that Henry fell over like a sack of spuds to gain a penalty, or dived in a promising situation to gain an edge or done a Ronaldo or Drogba on a regular basis then I would agree his reputation would be damaged.

    The guy as the replays show kept the ball in play with his hands he himself did not score from this advantage.

    so from now on i assume we will be watching all games closely and if a player fails to declare the ball was out of play and a goal is thus scored we can all shout out " cheat "

    if he handles a Ball, no matter where on the field of play this should happen and a goal is scored we will all shour " cheat "

    what you should be asking yourselves is ; why did non of the officials see this incident?

    and Henry is spot on the nail when he says hes not an offical hes just there to kick the ball and get away with what he can just like EVERY OTHER PLAYER!

    if the ref did not see it Tuff on the Irish! its a simple s that there is no cheating from the player concerned and any talk or request for a replay is utter nonesense if this should happen the PL will last well into 18 months because of course every game will have to be replayed if video should back up the ref was either blind or not fit enough to keep up wit play.

    The irish are out and seeing as many seem to be attempting to heap disgrace on a good player IM GLAD YOU WONT BE THERE ( i would have felt even more overjoyed had england failed to make it as well ) as it is we now have to look forward to the images of them boarding the plane at Heathrow and the return to airport lounge a few weeks later empty handed and managerless once more and the fat heads at the FA running about preaching to us all about a another " new era " for english football and a brazillian as head coach.

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  • 493. At 9:05pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedAstaire² wrote:

    Gaz, it's easy for you to be high and mighty from your lowly position -

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  • 494. At 9:06pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedAstaire² wrote:

    And that wasn't insulting a whole nation - just you

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  • 495. At 9:07pm on 19 Nov 2009, Chilli-Dog wrote:

    448. Isn't Ireland part of the British Isles?

    Up the Irons!

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  • 496. At 9:08pm on 19 Nov 2009, Ginger wrote:

    Whilst I am gutted for the Irish I'm not sure if they would feel the same if it had happened to us.

    Video replays please FIFA.

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  • 497. At 9:09pm on 19 Nov 2009, RedAstaire² wrote:

    At 8:57pm on 19 Nov 2009, GazUtd wrote:
    are also insulting a "WHOLE nation" by insinuating that they would have wanted Henry to do what he did. The majority of French people I have heard today are disgusted by it. I know I would be if it was someone Irish, in fact I am disgusted at the Irish players who condoned it.

    And finally, I wasn't insinuating that all of France wanted him to cheat, but that all of France want their team to go to the world cup - bit of a difference, but read into it what you will.... I can understand that as an Irish supporter you're pretty pi88ed right now

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  • 498. At 9:12pm on 19 Nov 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    DG3 there is nothing more I can say to your views except that they are digusting and I do not want to support a sport that you for one minute are involved in.

    If you do not think that Henry cheated last night there is something seriously wrong with you.

    If you want to try to shift the blame for last night on to other players that is beyond stupidity. Every other player that has cheated (and there are far too many of them) is responsible for each time they have did it, just like Henry is last night.

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  • 499. At 9:13pm on 19 Nov 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    as for the Xmas Number one;

    it will no doubt have some kinda creationist theme.

    sung by a band or individual desperate to either make a name for themsleves or in the case of a an established artist/s desperate to make a come back.

    it could even be a collaboration of elton john paul mccartney tom jones phil collins bob geldolph now that lot is enough to bore the pants of anyone i think.

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  • 500. At 9:15pm on 19 Nov 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Redastaire if you had bothered reading any of my posts from last night or earlier you would have seen that as an Irish supporter I am not.

    As a football supporter I am beyond "pi**ed".


    And as you sunk to insulting me at least my lowly position is one step up on the ladder from yours.

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