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Robbo Robson | 12:17 UK time, Monday, 19 October 2009

The top of the Premier League is getting tighter than a Lady Gaga bacofoil cocktail dress - and isn't it nice to see? Not one of the big four put over a convincing performance this weekend.

Arsenal proved they're never more vulnerable than when they go 2-0 up. I've a Gooner mate who says as soon as they get a comfy lead they start playing like teenagers showing off to their watching girlfriends. (To be fair, in the Carling Cup at least, that's exactly what they are).

United were almost overhauled by doughty Bolton. Again a 2-0 lead looked comfy, even allowing for Valencia celebrating his first United goal like his dog had just died.

Fergie's not letting on but United are ropey right now. Mind you, they didn't look up to much last season when the Gelled Tumbler was having a bit of a quiet strop and they won the title. And there was no Rooney.
John Terry, Didier Drogba and Deco after Villa's second goalIf looks could kill...
Hard to say if Rooney was any more absent than Chelsea's defence at set-pieces. Moment of the weekend was John Terry's almost perfect impression of Yosemite Sam after the Villa winner. ('Oh you Drogba!!!!' ) Not so much zonal as zoned-out marking.

Carvalho was one of them who looked like he was heading back to the Godfather of Schmooth in Milan over the summer and to look at him this season you'd think he had actually gone there.

And in that ridiculous Tango costume and helmet, Cech looks like a Tour de France cyclist who's had his bike nicked. He must be looking for something 'cos it sure ain't the ball.

Terry's losing it in spades, Cech's lost his heart, Lamps hates the diamond and a lot of them might start looking for new clubs if this carries on. Thing is Anelka and Drogba do look good up front and Joe Cole will be back to his best soon . My money looks safe.

Well, safer than Alan Hansen's. He tipped Liverpool. After Saturday, I'd tip Liverpool - into the nearest skip. There are some 'Pool fans who'll deny this - and they must be the ones who watch the matches with a thick red scarf bound round their heads - but take out Torres and Gerrard and there's nowt but journeymen on the park.

It's like ordering a lemon meringue pie without the meringue or the lemon. Just too much bloomin' pastry.

Even them lads that have encouraging cameos every now then - Babel, Ngog - don't seem to be stepping off the conveyor belt and into the team with the ease of say your average Wenger Boy.

It doesn't help if some lad in Liverpool colours chucks a beach ball on to the pitch. I'm annoyed they pixilated his face on MOTD. The lad needs his face up all over Merseyside. Instead of laying low, the chump needs to come out of hiding and have a one-to-one counselling session with Pepe Reina while he tries to explain his 'crime'.

Benitez hasn't been hiding from the truth either. To be fair he's acknowledged how useless they were and hasn't blamed the beach-ball - or the ref for allowing it.

Apparently it should have been ruled out. Well, that's news. We've had a late winner nosed in by a border collie, a goal conceded 'cos the keeper's missus dashed on the field of play to thwack him with a unfamiliar F-Cup bra she'd found under the passenger seat.

And once we carried on even though a 13-year-old farmer's son had lost control of his Dad's tractor and parked it about four yards outside the opposition's 'D'. Ploughing a lone furrow upfront? On his Messi -Ferguson? We heard them all.

So are the top four weakening? Or are the rest of them getting stronger? And, God help us I never thought I'd be asking this question but... is it time to start taking Sunderland seriously? (Not the town, obviously).
Lee CattermoleCattermole gets stuck in
What strikes me about the teams that pulled off the wins, Villa and Sunderland, is that the work ethic is strong and the lads making the big difference are English. I never knew why we got shot of Lee Cattermole and I'm still wondering now. He snaps into the tackle like a hungry crocodile, that lad. At Villa, Milner's work-rate epitomised that of the team. He's a top player, that lad.

Whether all this industry will be enough to overhaul the top teams is anyone's guess. But by this time last season, the writing was on the wall for the second tier. This season, we neutrals can hope.

I suppose I should be shelling out some praise for the fairytale victory of Jenson Button and Brawn GP. Trouble is I hate the sport. If it's a fairytale, then it's a Grimm one.

People keep asking pundits what the difference for Button has been this season. I can tell you that. My 6-year-old grandson can tell you that! He had a FAST CAR! How come I can get to the wife's mother in Beverley in under an hour now? I bought a FASTER CAR! I'm not a better driver. OK?

All right, it IS a good story, given that Button didn't have a drive three weeks from the start of the season. But I'd rather read about than put it on the telly and have me ear-drums drilled into by a bunch of billion-pound boys' toys. Well done, Button and Brawn. And welcome back peaceful Sundays. (Sorry, Robbo - there's one more on Nov 1 -Ed).


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  • 1. At 1:18pm on 19 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    Liverpool lose to an illegal goal, West Ham denied a blatant penalty when one of their players gets punched in the face in the area and neither manager abuses the referee - what is the world coming to?

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  • 2. At 1:19pm on 19 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    oh and looking forward to all the criticism of the man-marking system as well after Chelsea's showing at the weekend...

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  • 3. At 1:22pm on 19 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    and another thing seeing as it's only me here

    why is Ferguson allowed to abuse a referee, get a week to explain himself, it then takes two further days to charge him and he then gets a further two weeks to answer the charge?

    Just ban the geriatric windbag !

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  • 4. At 1:23pm on 19 Oct 2009, The Understudy - Makoun the Passmaster wrote:

    doo blog, liked the hansen tip thingy. and im just glad villa were recognized on MOTD for once! Although all of the papers said Chelsea and Liverpool lost, rather than Sunderland and Villa win.

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  • 5. At 1:24pm on 19 Oct 2009, redJoey wrote:

    The moderators were removed because this comment found they broke the House Rules.
    There.

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  • 6. At 1:25pm on 19 Oct 2009, Paul wrote:

    Brilliant weekend for the lesser lights wasn't it?

    Sunderland look in great form and Villa bouncing back from a dodgy start to the season and I must say it is fascinating the way it is shaping up.

    I think that the league is slightly weaker this year for the top four and slightly stronger for the next four which is why it is looking so congested up there.

    I would however point out that the gap between the "top eight" and the rest of the league is massive, the gulf in class is there for all to see but at least the top is looking competitive once more.

    I predict that both Liverpool and Arsenal will struggle to make the top four this year and I think Spurs and Man City look like a good bet.

    Robbo - didn't you tip Spurs before the start of the season and everyone - myself included - laughed our heads of, who is laughing now? Did you put a bet on?

    I still think United will be champs followed by Chelski, then I think Man City (after buying a bucket load of players in the window), then either 'Pool, Gooners or Spurs.

    I think Liverpool look absolutely abysmal and I think they will get found out at Anfield this weekend.

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  • 7. At 1:26pm on 19 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Not really sure if the beach ball should have stopped the play. Next we'll have fans throwing all kinds of stuff on to the field if they see a potential scoring chance for the opposite team. Cant have that.


    Of course the funniest thing was the Liverpool crest on the ball as the football was flying past Reina.

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  • 8. At 1:29pm on 19 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Sales of beach balls at Roker beach should rocket for the next home game at the stadium of light.Fantastic.Les Simpson,my mate that follows Man Utd. thought it genius.Rafa reacted like he knows what's coming.Gaz,your save Rafa campaign may be doomed.

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  • 9. At 1:29pm on 19 Oct 2009, L-M-R FC wrote:

    tommyonion thats cos not all managers are like fergie. zola is as humble as they come, and even though im a liverpool fan i was pleasantly suprised by benitez, ill admit he has been known to make excuses n whine sometimes, not at wenger or fergies level but more than others

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  • 10. At 1:30pm on 19 Oct 2009, SirMouseburger wrote:

    They showed the lads unpixilated face on Gilette Soccer Saturday (on the *ahem* "other" side) before the production team realised the amount of poundings he was going to get at school this week!!

    As a Man Utd fan I could not help but chuckle slightly at his glum looking face during half time, as it registered, with a dawning realisation, just what the implications of his actions were.....

    Give that boy a season ticket Rafa, an unlimited supply of beach balls, seat him at the opponent's end and you might have a plan B for when Torres and Gerrard are out!!

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  • 11. At 1:31pm on 19 Oct 2009, shine_a_light wrote:

    "even allowing for Valencia celebrating his first United goal like his dog had just died"

    Ha ha, genius, he didn't exactly look chuffed did he ?!! If he does the same this weekend I'll be hoping for some more enthusiasm ..

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  • 12. At 1:32pm on 19 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    7. At 1:26pm on 19 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Not really sure if the beach ball should have stopped the play



    then check the laws of the game?

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  • 13. At 1:40pm on 19 Oct 2009, CrawleyAVFC wrote:

    Personally I don't think Sunderland can last 38 games on this form alot like Villa last year. Villa are alot stronger this year and can perform across the whole 38 games IMO.

    I think its possible that we could see 2 new teams in the top 4. Any of Man C, Villa and Spurs. This season is going to be the most exciting ever with 7 teams all in for a shout of a top 4 finish

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  • 14. At 1:41pm on 19 Oct 2009, CrawleyAVFC wrote:

    I don't want to be negative about Sunderland. I think they are an excellent team and should expect an 8th place but this year I think there are 7 teams stronger than them and thats not including Everton.

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  • 15. At 1:42pm on 19 Oct 2009, goldstone79 wrote:

    Might the beachball book itself a seat on the plane to South Africa? I didn't see the game on Saturday so cannot comment on its link up play, but it has certainly been more prolific in the league this season than Heskey. Oh - and it would be a useful addition to any excursion to Long Beach on the team's days off.

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  • 16. At 1:42pm on 19 Oct 2009, duffy wrote:

    Gerrard would have scored with both balls......

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  • 17. At 1:42pm on 19 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    Fairly useless blog. Nothing insightful or new in here and it also goes without saying that theres nothing funny about it either.

    Liverpool - its been known for sometime that Gerrard and Torres are the primary attacking drive behind the team so is it really so surprising that they lose away from home to an on form Sunderland team who scored a lucky goal? Not really. Its a difficult fixture after an international break and doubly so if you are missing your two best players. Maybe you should have that about that instead of wasting time making up your usual pointless Blue Bell pub team stories.

    Chelsea also had a tough fixture away from home after the internationals. Two bad goals given away from set peices overshadowed the fact they had about three great chances and the lions share of possession to get a result. Anelka and Deco especially wasteful. Villa are arguably the best in the league from the set peice so they will always be dangerous.

    Utd were missing Rooney and are still suffering from Ronaldos departure but managed to get the job done. Without Rooney and Ronaldo they will always be missing a bit of drive in the final third.

    Then theres a complete failure to mention the other teams supposedly tipped to break into the top 4 to justify the articles heading. Man City could only draw at Wigan who were forced to seel half their team in the Summer and your own 4th place tip Spurs hardly ran riot at the leagues bottom placed team who equally lost most of their team. Theres a fair argument to say the league will be tighter this year given MAn Citys spending and Utd losing Ronaldo etc but if your going to try and argue it at least look at it from an overall perspective instead of your predictable attempt to ruffle a few feathers by having a pop at the big four in a cheap attempt to stir up a debate.

    Maybe a little more time actually thinking about what your writing instead of trying to shoehorn a few wek gags about your pub team into your blog would lead to a more productive peice of writing. But who cares right? All you have to do is mention the big four negatively and people will flock to comment. Glad to see you pushing the boat out again "Robbo".

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  • 18. At 1:44pm on 19 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    #12: The Ref did check it with the assistant.

    Again, it was one of your own. So live with it.

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  • 19. At 1:44pm on 19 Oct 2009, Gunnerbefine wrote:

    For everyone who believes that the top 4 are there for the taking then I believe there is a rude awakening on the horizon. As concerning the Arsenal comment by the blogger, for someone so experienced, I expected you to look at the result over the weekend and see which teams won by more that the single goal? Yes, Arsenal did. Lost concentration we did, but it is to be expected when playing a team who showed no ambition or lacked the skill and resorted to dangerous tackles as is the case with most English teams. When they got their lucky goal and tried to attack, guess what happened? They got put back in their place. The top 4 will still be the top 4 as pretenders will be put back in their place.

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  • 20. At 1:44pm on 19 Oct 2009, dannytrfc wrote:

    #1 – The Upson/Huth thing can’t have been a penalty as the ball was dead. Only if the ball is live can it be a penalty, but still I’d expect a letter addressed to Mr Huth to be on it’s way (just whether it reaches him at the moment with the postal strike – maybe he will avoid a ban!).

    I don’t know why the ref is getting so much grief for “Beach Ball-gate”, as I don’t think anyone actually realised it should have been disallowed – didn’t Man City lose in the cup thanks to the ball being deflected off a load of balloons (again in the colours of the team it did the damage to!)?

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  • 21. At 1:44pm on 19 Oct 2009, bill40 wrote:

    football does not have laws just rules. Only cricket has laws. Top post btw Sirmouseburger

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  • 22. At 1:46pm on 19 Oct 2009, SS11 wrote:

    It was a great weekend for Arsenal. Chelsea n Liverpool lost, Man City dropped points. I don't think Sunderland will continue to be that good once they lose to Arsenal... they will be brought to ground very quickly. I fear for Man City, Spurs and Villa to have a shout for 4th place. Liverpool are already out of it.

    Gunners can actually climb to 2nd position when they win their game in hand. Go Gunners!!! Shine all the way!!!

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  • 23. At 1:47pm on 19 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    Glad to see you pushing the boat out again "JDR".

    On to matters worthier of my time, Liverpool only have themselves to blame for the freak goal. Reina or the defenders had ample time to remove the offending item from play before Sunderland came forward.

    Given how Spurs were so frail away from home I'm glad they held on for 3 points the other day. Pompey might well be rooted to the bottom of the table but they got geed up to face a whole mob of people who used to be at the club.

    And anyway, a year a go Spurs had a point less than Pompey at this point in the season and they turned things around and missed out on Europe by a whisker in the end.

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  • 24. At 1:47pm on 19 Oct 2009, ControlledMagic wrote:

    "tighter than a Lady Gaga bacofoil cocktail dress" .... I tell you what Robbo, that is something I find very nice to see.

    As for the 'Pool pillock's pixelated protrait....you can catch him in full technicolour glory on youtube, poor little beggatr. Still, he'll have 76000 United fans singing his praises when they come to OT later in the season.

    For my twopenn'orth, I don't think it's a case that United were 'unconvincing' - for an hour and a bit Bolton weren't at the races. OK, it was a squeeky finish but that was more down to them going to sleep than not being much cop this season. As you say, last year we weren't up to much (I wasn't convinced by United for the entire season) but won the League, the who cares cup and got to the CL final. If that's us being rubbish, bring it on.

    As for Sparky suggesting that the top four will drop points (which they will) but hinging it on the fact that he's happy with a point at Wigan when Chelski lost there.....erm, 0-5, 22nd August, anyone?

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  • 25. At 1:47pm on 19 Oct 2009, Eddy Cordoza wrote:

    Re 12 TommyOnion.
    I agree with poster 7 (Spitfire). You watch, next weekend, how many beach-balls magically find themselves in to opposition penalty areas!

    And how come there wasn't this reaction ('the goal shouldn't have stood!') when Michael Ball kicked a balloon instead of the ball when Sheffield United scored the winner against City in the FA Cup a few years back? Not a word.

    Incidentally, anyone else find it annoying how ex-referees like Jeff Winter come out of the woodwork whenever there are controversial refereeing moments? Winter was error-prone to say the least and made countless high-profile mistakes - but now he's an armchair pundit, criticising referees. Irritating to say the least.

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  • 26. At 1:47pm on 19 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    21. At 1:44pm on 19 Oct 2009, englandbill40 wrote:

    football does not have laws just rules. Only cricket has laws. Top post btw Sirmouseburger


    perhaps you should tell FIFA

    http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/lawsofthegame.html

    or the FA

    http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesandRegulations/LawsoftheGame.aspx

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  • 27. At 1:48pm on 19 Oct 2009, Amanbro wrote:

    I do think clubs have improved apart from the big 4 who have taken a step backwards if anything.

    United miss the creativity/unpredictability of Ronaldo.

    Chelsea have not bought anyone and already had an ageing team.

    Arsenal did buy a good defender (Vermaelan) but still miss a tough, hard-working midfielder.

    Liverpool have been worst hit. Everyone mentions Gerrard and Torres but you could also put Alonso in that company. He was very important to the team. Because his game was relatively simple, that meant he was a very consistant performer (his brilliant technique also helped). Hence, Liverpool had a good base even if they didn't play their best or missed big players. They certainly don't have this now and are paying the price. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Liverpool must pray that Aquilani is a world class player or else they will struggle this season.

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  • 28. At 1:48pm on 19 Oct 2009, bredtobered-forum troll wrote:

    would it be such a big deal if it had deflected away from goal? not for pool fans im sure. that lad would have been a hero. serves him right for being a idiot.

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  • 29. At 1:50pm on 19 Oct 2009, palace_mark wrote:

    It seems like a season if intrigue ahead really.
    Dodgy refereeing, goals that should not have been given (bent vs Liverpool), and goals that should (Sears vs Bristol City).
    I for one am glad to see this all going on, as it is making for a more interesting spectacle.
    Good to see Sunderland right up there at the mo, English players shining, and Darren Bent on fine form, yet still unable to get into the England squad! My friend, a Spurs fan despised Darren Bent even though he was their highest scorer. His reasoning, and i quote "he does not fit with the spurs style of play, and it takes too many chances for him to put it in the back of the net"!
    NOW, i cannot fathom how a supporter can dislike his teams top scorer just because he misses a few. Can i point out that Andy Cole (or andrew as he is now known) did not have the best goal to chance ratio, but my god he scared the bejaysus out of any and all top class defenders, and scored a hatful to boot.
    I honestly hope that they keep it up, and the same goes for Arsenal, i would love to see them finally win something this year, and the style of football they are playing, coupled with the fact that they no longer seem scared to shoot from further than 2 yards away can only be a plus for their credentials. I still think that Chelsea will win the league, with Arsenal 8 points behind come the end of the season, Spurs 3rd and Man U a close 4th. City 5th, Villa 6th and Liverpool 7th, because we all know that the prodigal sons will be laid up for at least another 3-4 weeks between now and the end of the season, and for all the money Benitez has spent, there is not any depth!!
    James Milner to be trained by Usain Bolt before the world cup to give the boy some pace, because if the boy had a yard of pace extra, the right midfield spot for England would be his for keeps, his distribution and general all around play is far better than anyone else in that position, Becks aside! Anyone not biased towards their own team players disagree?

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  • 30. At 1:50pm on 19 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    #28. My point exactly.

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  • 31. At 1:50pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    nice lil read Robbo.

    In my opinion I think we may be seeing an end to what is known as " top four " The money being pumped into the other teams is to some degree making for a somewhat level playing feild ( apart from the pitch at OT of course ) by the time some of the other teams have been taken over by wealthy owners etc we may now see a top ten.

    However as a lot of these foriegn millionaires have naff all else to do with thier wedge its likely the whole of the PL will be owned by those seeking new toys to play with.

    The result of the week was no doubt AV beating the Chavs, the latter are so over rated and over hyped that its good to see them slip up, and it wont be the last time either. To Old, to many egos etc etc they will be lucky to finish third, let alone champs. so much for a " flawless start "
    MR P Mcnulty lol.

    My team, the Gunners, hmmmmm i am still not sure as to just how things will pan out for us this term, we defo score goals and lots of them at the mo, and many players are getting themselves on the score sheet unlike before, we seem to be pretty lucky in terms of injuries ( at the mo ) although walcott lasting only 30 mins is a big concern and I dont think this bloke will put in a full game far to injury prone. other than that we have the goods to make a sustained challenge, and as for those saying about the cold winter days/nights in London, in febuary etc its not exactly scorching hot in manchester either! i actually beleieve the Gunners will be crowned champs and the CL Cup thrown in for good measure.

    Man u, hmmmmmm........grinding out results as per usual but with out wanting to make to much of the words favoritism and favaourites far to many of thier wins have come about via questionable circumstances. If man u are to do it again then it will be as a result of the lack of guts from the officials not because they are a better team, far from it, they are vunerable! very vunerable.

    liverpool, I have some sympathy here, seems like that goal should not have stood but hey, they had more than 80 mins to make amends,seems just perhaps, the pool are being exposed as a 2/3 man team, as such they have not a hope in hell of winning the PL but its far to early to write them off. As for rafa, i hope the guy stays and im sure the majority of true pool surporters want the same.

    City: as they say " money talks " at the mo not much more to say about them as yet.

    Villa, mid table for them at the end of the campaign but plenty of trips to the Arab states to rest players for the Euro cup so its not all bad.

    to conclude, whilst the Gunners have shipped a few they will score many to compensate. PL Champs and CL Winners.

    Shine On.

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  • 32. At 1:51pm on 19 Oct 2009, Statler76 wrote:

    It upsets me that we have to read about when the so called big 4 dont win as no one ever gives credit to the teams that beat them. As a Villa fan I am used to this happening. We have beaten Liverpool (away) and now Chelsea and has anyone actually said well done Villa? No, Its got nothing to do with set pieces, we played better than them on the day!!!! It was nice to see villa first on motd for a change too. Also well played Sunderland, as I dont think anyone has given them credit for winning either.

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  • 33. At 1:53pm on 19 Oct 2009, carryongooner wrote:

    Good blog ... as usual Robbo - always makes me laugh on Monday lunchtime.
    Good to see that the top of the table is looking so tight at the moment. It's about time fans of certain clubs (including my own) realised that no team has a right to finish in the top 4 or a right to win trophies every season.
    It was also good to see Rafa not blaming the ref or Beachballgate for Liverpool losing ... from what I have read and seen Liverpool were pretty average and Sunderland could (and perhaps should)have scored more.
    Terry was very entertaining ... your Yosemite Sam reference had me choking on my sandwich.
    As to my beloved team, they can be so frustrating to watch. After going 2-0 up so quickly, I was hoping for another hatful of goal but no, instead I spent the rest of the game biting my nails and muttering obscentities to myself. I particularly wanted to see more goals after those idiots pretending to be Birmingham supporters launched into "there's only 1 Martin Taylor" after Walcott was brought down. There was also one complete loser doing Nazi salutes. Still a win's a win ... doesn't really matter how it's got.

    I still think we'll be ok for a Champions League place, despite our interesting defensive tactics! I don't even mind the Spuds finishing in the Top 4, as long as we're above them. I do think there will be a change in the Top 4 but I think its Liverpool that will go and either Villa or Man C will take their place (much as I dont want to see Man C finishing anywhere near the Top 4 as I really would hate to see money truimphing again).

    Anyway, thanks Robbo for cheering up my dim, grey, miserable Monday!



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  • 34. At 1:54pm on 19 Oct 2009, tossedandblown wrote:

    Not so sure Liverpool played that badly just didn't perform to usual standards and Sunderland worked hard and made the best of what came their way. Your dead right regarding Villa and Sunderland tho', both worked their cigarette ends off whereas Bolton and Birmingham for the most part just wandered around giving their opponents all the time and space in the world, hence their results!

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  • 35. At 1:57pm on 19 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    32. At 1:51pm on 19 Oct 2009, Statler76 wrote:

    How has set peices got nothing to do with it? - You have scored 75% of your goals this season from set peices.

    "We played better than them" - No you didnt. You played well but Chelsea had more possession, more chances, more shots, more shots on target etc etc etc

    Villa are a good team and a tough prospect for anyone in the league especially at home. They are capable of bating the top teams but equally as capable as dropping points to the weaker teams on a more regular basis than the top teams. Chelsea gave away two bad goals from set peices but were superior in most other areas of play.

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  • 36. At 1:58pm on 19 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    JDR,t'internet is a big old thing,room for lots of things.If you would like to read in depth serious articles about any subject that your heart desires,then they will be out there.Feel free to make use of the full bbc website.Then,if you could naff off,the rest of us will be quite happy to read this whimsical piece and banter accordingly.

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  • 37. At 2:00pm on 19 Oct 2009, socrates wrote:

    A great advert for the Premiership. We need to see more teams competing and we saw it this weekend.

    What struck me was the style of football. Wigan were a revelation against City, passing the ball with infinitely more composure and accuracy then their illustrious opposition. The beach-ball has only diverted attention from the fact that Sunderland completely outplay Liverpool and should have won by more. Villa stood toe-to-toe with Chelsea (not sure about Ashley Young making Garth Crooks team of the week though) and Spurs have got to be considered real contenders to break in to the top four.

    I disagree that United and Arsenal were poor though. Both played some phenomenal football but then lapsed in to that early season lethargy that often sees points dropped. Credit Bolton and Birmingham for the character they showed.

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  • 38. At 2:00pm on 19 Oct 2009, bredtobered-forum troll wrote:

    well done villa!

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  • 39. At 2:01pm on 19 Oct 2009, pdh wrote:

    I think it's been clear for the past few seasons that the standard at the top end of the Premier League is dropping faster than Gordon Brown's approval rating, emphasised last season when a distinctly average Man U side managed to stumble across the line with little resistance from anyone else. The fact that this year they are still top despite having lost arguably two of their best players without adequate replacement says it all for me.

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  • 40. At 2:01pm on 19 Oct 2009, Maximus1310 wrote:

    Manu fan here, anyone notice Arsenal creaping their way up the table without any fuss?! Arsenal under rated at present, I believe they'll be a force come the end of the season. Lost 2 difficult away games and brushed aside the rest. I think Liverpool fans should be worried, NOT GOOD AT ALL!!! Beach ball the new excuse for Rafa failure. In 5 years he has spent more than SAF and he's nowhere near where he needs to be. Get rid of him!!! Actually, keep him!!!!!

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  • 41. At 2:03pm on 19 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    36. At 1:58pm on 19 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Its unfortunate for you that I can (and do) read what I like on the internet and comment as I feel. You might equally be best served to "naff off" somewhere where you dont have to read my comments that I, accordingly, will continue to post.

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  • 42. At 2:03pm on 19 Oct 2009, Vermaelogy wrote:

    No mention of all the red cards this weekend, also the top 4 is looking like the top 6 with (I hate to say it) Spurs and City, even with Villa's win on the weekend and Bent scoring 30 goals for Sunderland both squads aren't big enough to compete with the top 4, I'm getting annoyed with this talk of Arsenal dropping out of the top 4 if anything we look the most solid out of the top 4 (bar Chelsea with a good defense. And Robbo's comment about Arsenal going 2 up and going nervy, well that's why we're averaging 3 a half goals a game

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  • 43. At 2:04pm on 19 Oct 2009, wilshere-4-england wrote:

    Why are Arsenal only considered a top team when they are talked about dropping out of the top 4...
    We were the only team to win by more than one goal at the weekend and our match has barely been mentioned by anyone, the coverage on MotD was shocking and Motd 2 when it did the Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Tottenham and Liverpool matches, spoke about the title race, then moved on to us and the rest of the teams.
    It ridiculous we are playing better than anyone by a country mile right now, even with some serious injury problems and instead of looking at or analysing this people just say they we are going to drop out of the top 4 because we don't have enough depth.
    Fair enough Robbo, was right with his comment about our defense it is dodgy at times, but we were missing our left back, right back and the two first choice keepers from the start of the season. But we have despite our recent results recieved nothing but critism.

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  • 44. At 2:06pm on 19 Oct 2009, fergie knows best wrote:

    JoeDavisRoach

    what is your problem? why do you come on to this blog every week to read it if you don't like it? Then spend your time commenting on it as well?

    At least robbo's got a bit of wit and make our lunchbreaks at work a little more light hearted with the northen humour (I live in the boro for 4 years and he IS boro typified),
    You're 10 times more repetitive than Robbo. I actually see your name coming up and can instantly predict everything you will say.
    No need to be mystic meg when predicting if you'll turn up and what you'll say. It is laughable really when you still appear after all these weeks.
    It's like those other 'popstars the rivals' boy band watching the TV every week and seeing girls aloud and shaking their fists shouting it shoulda been me out there! ME!

    You're bitterness is unrivalled,
    keep making me chuckle robbo and don't listen to this JoeDaviscockroach who's hobbies probably include watching paint dry.

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  • 45. At 2:08pm on 19 Oct 2009, tossedandblown wrote:

    As 35's comment's highlight, will Sunderland and Villa works as hard against Wigan or Portsmouth, probably not, and can they do it for the whole season, probably not. So it wouldn;t surprise to see them fade as the season progresses.

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  • 46. At 2:08pm on 19 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    44. At 2:06pm on 19 Oct 2009, fergie knows best wrote

    Rather watch paint dry than than watch "popstars the rivals" like yourself but each to his own.

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  • 47. At 2:11pm on 19 Oct 2009, fathomer1 wrote:

    Great blog as ever robbo. However, I'll say it again (and again) there is no point in talking up 'the rest' or talking down the 'big four' until May. As in another blog, we've seen and heard all this before - and the results, as it were, speak for themselves. Teams like Villa, Everton, even God help us, Big Sams Bolton have all flattered to deceive before xmas, came down like the decos after it.

    Why? Because of three key factors.

    First, Spin. It's not new to football, and footballs more honest characters (sadly all long in the past now..) have openly admitted their teams have kept on top of the pack because of who, rather than what they are.

    Second, strength in depth. All of the big four can ride out bad spells of injury and keep players fit when it counts because they have huge squads of first choice players. Not bit part, 'would never make it in the first team otherwise' players.

    Third, experience. Because of the repetition of their success over the last decade they all know how do deal with pressure, even the 'big deal' pressure of finishing in the top four. As both Arsenal and Liverpool have shown in recent years......

    I say big deal because, well, it is! Yes there are mega bucks to be had, but in football terms?! Once upon a time if you said you' had a good season by finishing fourth you'd be larfed at!

    Is Robbo right though? Actually, yes. Increasingly in recent years the Big Four have seen the top talent going elsewhere in Europe, and not be replaced. Their squads are either getting on (Utd, Chelsea), too inexperienced (Arsenal), or too full of average players propped up by a few of real star quality (Liverpool). But are the rest getting better? Well, no. City look ok, Villa and Sunderland work hard, but true top four replacements? Not really. Yet.

    Notice I didn't mention Spurs there.......

    That's because every top side they've met has stuffed them. They may get results against the every growing number of dross sides in the EPL, but top four? Probably not.

    Keep it up Robbo!

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  • 48. At 2:12pm on 19 Oct 2009, Chelsea_ladies82 wrote:

    Those who write "who cares?" after about 4 paragraphs of idiotic personal opinions as if THEY matter need to cut back on sugar in their diet and get some sleep.

    Wannabe's Robbo. They're all wannabe's.

    Keep up the good work. This one cracked me up. Spot on with LFC.

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  • 49. At 2:13pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    " My team, the Gunners, hmmmmm i am still not sure as to just how things will pan out for us this term, we defo score goals and lots of them at the mo, and many players are getting themselves on the score sheet unlike before, we seem to be pretty lucky in terms of injuries ( at the mo ) although walcott lasting only 30 mins is a big concern and I dont think this bloke will put in a full game far to injury prone. other than that we have the goods to make a sustained challenge, and as for those saying about the cold winter days/nights in London, in febuary etc its not exactly scorching hot in manchester either! i actually beleieve the Gunners will be crowned champs and the CL Cup thrown in for good measure. "

    the copy and paste or paste and copy is due to a typo error which made the above far to contradictory it should have read:

    My team, the Gunners, hmmmmm i was not sure as to just how things will pan out for us this term, we defo score goals and lots of them at the mo, and many players are getting themselves on the score sheet unlike before, we seem to be pretty lucky in terms of injuries ( at the mo ) although walcott lasting only 30 mins is a big concern and I dont think this bloke will put in a full game far to injury prone. other than that we have the goods to make a sustained challenge, and as for those saying about the cold winter days/nights in London, in febuary etc its not exactly scorching hot in manchester either! i actually beleieve the Gunners will be crowned champs and the CL Cup thrown in for good measure.

    position clarified hehe.

    and there's nowt like rubbing it in.

    Shine On

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  • 50. At 2:16pm on 19 Oct 2009, highlowsell wrote:

    top four will remain the same this year - of the lot I think Arsenal are best on current form. They lost to both Manchester teams but were unlucky against utd.

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  • 51. At 2:19pm on 19 Oct 2009, MichiganFlicker wrote:

    Forget the bloody beach ball, the Wearsiders completely outplayed Liverpool and deserved the win. And that's right from the horse's mouth. Well, from my Liverpool fan of a wife anyway.

    It is nice to see the top of the league with a steady point climb at this stage of the season, no top 4 breakaway yet. What was that? Liverpool in 9th or something? Sheesh. Good to see the spread, just wish it was Chelsea there instead. Well at least the Superhoops won 4-0 and Chelsea lost the top spot. A good weekend in West London.

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  • 52. At 2:20pm on 19 Oct 2009, charlie_9 wrote:

    Statler76. Typical Villa fan. Two cracking results and still whining!!! Don't worry about the press coverage. Yes it magnifies the victory but too much coverage will stir up too much hype and you'll get lambasted for dropping a few points at stoke or where ever. Just be happy to quietly slip under the radar and see hansen and lawro squirm when you break into the top four. I'm actually an lfc fan, but greatly admire o'neill and the british nucleus of his squad.

    On the subject of my beloved red men. Lat season we beat man u, chelsea and arsenal without stevie and/or nando. I know it's been said but it's xabi we miss. The only other player that can play the ball like he could is stevie and his too far up the pitch to play them. I'd peg him back til aquilani decides to turn up and put yossi just behind nando. There's no strength or depth and a chronic lack of vision from Rafa. Only a decent cup run can salvage our season now. Be that domsetic or european. It's realistic to say we'd have to win nearly every game from here on in to win the title, and with the squad we've got that just won't happen.

    Hat's of to the gunners. Would be good to see them get in amongst Chelsea and Utd again. Citeh still in with a shot. It's going to be a facsinating few months. That's for sure!!!!!

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  • 53. At 2:26pm on 19 Oct 2009, sharptosheedy wrote:

    Makes me laugh that Bent said the Liverpool players should have cleared the beachball - Have you ever seen a professional stop to kick a balloon off the pitch during an attack? They're all too busy focusing on the game - if a player got distracted by a balloon and the opposition scored, he'd not only be on the bench but also the tabloid's latest donkey/turnip target

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  • 54. At 2:27pm on 19 Oct 2009, fergie knows best wrote:

    JDR
    I've incidentally never seen popstars the rivals but am aware of 1 group making it and one being the cast into abyss bitters looking through the window. It just reminded so much of your frustration when on here. Possibly 'Yosemite Sam'-like?

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  • 55. At 2:28pm on 19 Oct 2009, duffy wrote:

    Arsenal are playing well & should be touted. Chelsea are never worth writing off but Liverpool are certainly struggling. Utd are solid as usual but will they last the course? I don't think so this year. I think the prem is going to London come May......

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  • 56. At 2:30pm on 19 Oct 2009, fergie knows best wrote:

    47. At 2:11pm on 19 Oct 2009, fathomer1 wrote:


    Is that why they beat liverpool already?

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  • 57. At 2:30pm on 19 Oct 2009, CHRIS wrote:

    Watch out for Arsenal, will surprise many this season and anyone who thinks they will drop out of the top 4 may well have to eat their words come next May.
    They have lost away at Man City and Man Utd, two games they only picked up a point from last season and have won away at Fulham and Everton, again two fixtures that last season only produced a single point for them.
    At the moment whoever at MOTD that decides the running order is chosing to keep the Arsenal achievements a secret, very poor coverage this weekend with no comments from the pundits.
    If any of the 'big' four are to lose their place then my money is on Liverpool and what effect will that have on a club that is already struggling financially if they don't have the Champions League income next season?

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  • 58. At 2:32pm on 19 Oct 2009, Macca wrote:

    Does the kid get a lifetime ban for throwing an object on to the pitch? Maybe a little harsh, must be bad enough for setting up the goal. Still, suprised that a steward or ball boy didn't clear it from the pitch, although, I don't know how long the beach ball was on the pitch for prior to the goal, maybe just not enough time.

    Shocking decision from the Ref, Linesman & 4th official tho!

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  • 59. At 2:39pm on 19 Oct 2009, SIMMO1385 wrote:

    Great weekend for utd, I'm still smiling now after watching Reina follow the wrong ball in to the net!!!

    Thanks to the new "slimline" JacksofBuxton for the mention earlier... How you doing in the fantasy footy after the weekends results???

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  • 60. At 2:42pm on 19 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    JDR,I think your whole raison d'etre can be summed up by your remark about continuing to post.It's the same every time.We are all aware what you think of"Robbo" and his mythical life in the Blue Bell,so if you would be good enough to just post the following every time:"I wish to refer to my remarks of the previous blog".We will all know what you mean and can move on.

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  • 61. At 2:44pm on 19 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Tragic to report Les that my fantasy league team is as good as my beloved Tractor Boys.They both seem to be dropping points faster than my bmi.(23.8)

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  • 62. At 2:45pm on 19 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    goodness...so many Gooners on here all of a sudden, i'm not sure what to do with myself!

    TommyO - condolences mate... i know all about unlucky results, but surely you're concerned with the general performances your Reds have been putting out. Ryan Babel - i thought he was going to become a force for you guys, what's the story with him?

    maybe, just maybe Villa can learn from last year and go the distance to nick 4th, but there ain't gonna be much change at the top.

    fair play to Rafa for taking it on the chin, but anyone care to speculate as to how beach ball-gate would've gone down with Fergie on the wrong end (complete fantasy, i know)? something tells me the reaction would be a bit more "colourful" to say the least!

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  • 63. At 2:46pm on 19 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Great Blog Robbo, strewn as usual, with great insight! It's true, the herding instinct makes those Border Collies a particular nuisance but there was a time when any referee that had come up through the ranks would know the rules of interference. Nowadays of course, it's less likely as everybody keeps their dogs on a leash or faces the wrath of the law.

    Fair dues to Rafa for his humility and gracious acceptance!

    There's a huge gulf developing in the prem. The top 14 have clearly separated themselves! Of course, this only holds true if Fulham and Hull draw today, if either team gets a win, this "14" will obviously be the elite 15.

    Roll on mid-November and good luck to Ireland versus the French.

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  • 64. At 2:47pm on 19 Oct 2009, Captain Caveman wrote:

    This JDR guy cracks me up far more than this blog

    he is so clearly bitter yet doesn't appear to be able to register this fact himself

    perhaps you think that a better job would be done by you?

    please go and try i would be very interested to see what you can concoct

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  • 65. At 2:47pm on 19 Oct 2009, boomshakalak wrote:

    I think it is all too easy to blame rafa - but the man has clearly improved Liverpool since taking over!

    Before he arrived they were s one-man team (gerrard) and now after 5 years in the job he has revolutionized them with a signing that no-one else in world football would have considered and turned them into a two man (gerrard + torres) team!

    Well done rafa - brilliant!

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  • 66. At 2:50pm on 19 Oct 2009, Coweslepe wrote:

    #1 'What is the world coming to?'

    This is a very good point, and, predictably enough, one that's quickly ignored. The answer, at least in terms of football, is buried inside the pockets of pocket politicians, who now all but run the sport we love.

    It surprises me that Robbo hasn't chimed in on the Ireland debacle. How many times must something like this happen before people actually call a spade a spade? This last-minute decision was based solely on the fact that those who run EUFA and FIFA cannot allow a World Cup to proceed without France, and the world ratings would suffer without Ronaldo and Portugal. There is no other reason; had there been, we all would have heard about it many months before, when a such decision ought to have been reached. How many believe that the same necessity of seeding would have applied had England finished second in their group? Yes, we bring ratings and presence, but also prove to be an annoying thorn in the side of politicians like Platini. As a footballer, he was sublime, but as a politician he's less than the least of them. I'm sorry Robbo, but this was a more pressing subject, and Ireland deserved better. More and more, your columns really have become 'soil-redistribution instruments'. That you're even suggesting we 'check out fellow blogger Phil McNulty' just about sums it up.

    This 'politicking' has occurred before but generally passes, at least in England, with an accepting grudge. It happened when a depleted Arsenal wholly outplayed Barcelona in the final, after which I actually felt sorry for tear-draped Gooners. And it happened last year in the semi against Chelsea, though most English fans were too glad of the fact to pay attention to what was actually happening. There's a sensible reason why Barcelona have so many 'fortunate decisions' swayed their way, and it's written quite clearly across their chests. Altruism pays dividends these days in football.

    No doubt there'll be those who'll cry and dismiss 'conspiracy theory!', but if football fans everywhere don't wake up swiftly there won't be any honest referees left in the game; we've already reached the stage where there isn't anyone in charge who has enough integrity to supervise them as befits the financial implications of each and every match. There's a reason why it takes so long for politicians to be exposed, and the same circumlocution of fact now operates within football. And that's why the managers are no longer able to say a single word. Everything these days is 'moderated'.

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  • 67. At 2:50pm on 19 Oct 2009, Zulu Warrior wrote:

    There was a young lad from the 'Pool
    Who thought he'd try out a new rule
    The beach ball he sent
    For an in-off from Bent
    And now he ain't looking too cool

    Do we know what the ruling should be? There is still some confusion, has the Ref's organisation ruled on this?



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  • 68. At 2:51pm on 19 Oct 2009, Bantam_Doonhamer wrote:

    Fergieknowsbest and Jacksofbuxton: come on lads, you know that JDR has a thicker skin than a Rhinoceros and is a complete monomaniac. It's completely pointless telling him to get a life and go somewhere else if he doesn't like Robbo's usually exquisite blog; just get used to the fact that he's going to come on every week and write drivel about what he considers to be drivel!

    As for me, I look forward to his pointless rants as it always gets the pot roiling. The long winter nights must just fly past in the JDR household.

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  • 69. At 2:52pm on 19 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

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  • 70. At 2:52pm on 19 Oct 2009, Macca wrote:

    #67 According to an ex-ref I read somewhere on BBC earlier, there should have been a drop ball.

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  • 71. At 2:56pm on 19 Oct 2009, SIMMO1385 wrote:

    In the long run Jack i think it may be more beneficial to knock the fags on the head & carry a few extra pounds old lad. No good being trim but having lungs with more holes in than a 2nd string Ipswich back four!

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  • 72. At 2:57pm on 19 Oct 2009, SIMMO1385 wrote:

    Or a Queens/Edale back four 4 for that matter! Thought i'd just add that 1 in before you beat me to it!!!

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  • 73. At 2:58pm on 19 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

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  • 74. At 3:00pm on 19 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Les,I don't think I'd be that complementary about the back 4 my mob have at the mo'.Oh,Ali says hello.I think that's what she said....
    (I'LL just get me coat!)

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  • 76. At 3:03pm on 19 Oct 2009, quickBlueturtle wrote:

    In all honesty can anyone really be suprised by Liverpool sitting in 8th position?

    Villa, Spurs, City (and to a leseer extent Sunderland) all have arguably squads of equal or better potential and they all have experienced premier league managers that try to have their teams playing the right way.

    Liverpool fielded 3 centre halves at Sunderland. Let me jut re-type that for those that missed it.......Liverpool fielded 3 centre halves at Sunderland!!! and they have aspirations of winning the league?

    Lets not cloud the issue here, just to be crystal clear, beach ball aside they were battered at weekend and as for the upcoming weekend, the stage looks set for Owen to pile more misery on Raffa.
    What price Owen for first scorer?

    I'll hold my hands up Utd are only performing in patches but what more motivation do they need for next Sunday?
    I can imagine Fergie in the dressing room before hand "Ok lads who wants to end Liverpool's title hopes before Christmas decorations are even on sale?"


    Take out Gerrard and Torres and in my opinion there isn't a single Liverpool player that would get frst team football at any club that is above them in the premier league.

    I said in a comment on a Phil Mcnulty blog a week or so ago that Liverpool's highlight of the season may well be the drubbing they gave Hull.....Liverpool fans will do well to hang on to that memory during these long winter months.

    As for the rest of the big four, yes they haven't exactly been convincing but really what does it matter? Utd are top, Chelsea are a point behind and Arsenal are still in touch...all of them would have settled for that before a ball was kicked this season. If you'd have also mentioned that Liverpool were on the way to joining the once hard to beat Everton in mid-table obscurity they would be more than happy.

    But for now lets enjoy the season for what it is and more importantly what it is shaping up to be.

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  • 77. At 3:06pm on 19 Oct 2009, dominic wrote:

    I'm still backing villa for a top four spot. Every time I say arsenal and liverpool look shaky this season a couple of fans give me greif for daring to doubt their teams. I'l say this simply, Arsenal have forgotten how to defend as a team and liverpool lack a lot of quality all over the pitch. With the kop behind them you'd fancy them to do okay in the cups but i cant see rafa cracking the league any time soon. O'Neil's villa look solid all over the park. They have an England starter warming the bench ! (okay okay not the best example but you get the picture). Can anybody else see it or am I very much on my own with this one ? I almost hope so if just to keep the bookies odds on the up :)

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  • 78. At 3:08pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    well it must have interfered with play so on that point it must be a bonifide beef.

    but they did have bags of time to redress the matter.

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  • 79. At 3:08pm on 19 Oct 2009, SIMMO1385 wrote:

    Would i be right in thinking she had her mouth full at the time??? fancy dis-respecting the poor lass while she slaves away at work trying to earn a crust & all we can do is sit about on here & poke fun at each other... We should be ashamed of ourselves!!!

    If your getting your coat & leaving i sincerely hope the door hits you on the way out!

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  • 80. At 3:15pm on 19 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Les,that's terrible.She'd finished her lunch earlier.

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  • 81. At 3:25pm on 19 Oct 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    I read Robbo's blog every week and I fully enjoy it. I also get laughs at the aspirations of the other mid table clubs trying to break in the Top Four. This season will be extremely tight with MUFC, Chelsea and Arsenal fighting for the trophy come May. Liverpool will improve but they have dropped too many points and will barely hang on for 4th spot.

    BTW, what is the real purpose of JDR? Like seriously?? Did Robbo bully him when he was smaller or had an affair with his wife?? Seriously now....

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  • 82. At 3:36pm on 19 Oct 2009, Rovers Return - HKR AWAY DAYS wrote:

    "How come I can get to the wife's mother in Beverley in under an hour now? I bought a FASTER CAR! I'm not a better driver. OK?"

    Beverley eh? Fancy a pint of stout next time your in our neck of the woods, Robbo, me old son?

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  • 83. At 3:37pm on 19 Oct 2009, used2beprofi wrote:

    i think it shows what a truly terrific team arsenal is and the job that prof has done over the years bringing players in and out. agreed there. where i disagree is caring about the nationality of a player...but regarding chelsea- ever notice the results when ballack is out? look back the last 3 years and it may be of interest. for the amount of people who don't seem to like him and his play-when-i-feel- like-it-way- the results sure seem to drop when he is not selected, rested, or injured??

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  • 84. At 3:53pm on 19 Oct 2009, oncearedalways54 wrote:

    Robbo- not sure I agree with your overall title of 'Not so Big Four' - we are only approximately a quarter of the way through the season and whilst its true that Liverpool are 'wobbling' more than was expected, the others, Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal also have had their 'wobbles'; however the only difference from previous seasons is they all seem to be having them early on, which may bode well for later on in the season with a tighter finish - but I am still betting it will be the same big 4 (maybe, just maybe, Man City will edge out Liverpool!). Sorry Spurs fans, top 6 maybe!
    What has interested me however is the rule that never was (applied that is) on Saturday! I am sure there have been a number of matches over the years when balloons/beachballs have 'interferred' with a particular passage of play in a match and some team has lost out, whether it be loss of the ball to an opponent, conceding a corner kick, etc and no official action was taken!
    In the days when toilet rolls were regularly thrown on to pitches I can never recall any referee stopping play (officialy) to remove them, or to counteract their effect by a dropped ball situation?
    Has this rule always been in place, is it only relevent to the PL, or to all levels of the game? It seems from the comments made over the weekend lots of ex-professionals and some managers do not seem to know about it -also it would appear, at least one Referee!

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  • 85. At 3:54pm on 19 Oct 2009, HongKongPhooey wrote:

    Robo's blog is truly wonderful. Can't wait for next year when he'll have to start mocking City, Villa, Spurs and Sunderland and telling their fans that the old top four are going to get back into the top four because our squads can't handle the added pressure of european football.

    Keep it up Robo and try not to mention formula 1 again

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  • 86. At 3:56pm on 19 Oct 2009, joebloggins wrote:

    "Top 4" will probably be reduced to the "top 3" as Liverpool drop out of contention and probably Man C taking their place, they look far more business like this year. Unfortunately what Man U, Chelsea & Arsenal have is STAYING POWER and by February that is a v-e-r-y valuable commodity -- look at last season where everyone at Villa was looking round for the fat lady to sing in February, then it all went pear shaped (no, not the fat lady).

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  • 87. At 3:59pm on 19 Oct 2009, snicka69 wrote:

    Shame on you Robson! You honestly reckon that MOTD shouldnt have pixelated the young liverpool fans face who threw the ball in? I was watching Sky Sports who shamefully DID show the face, and i was appalled. Hes all of about 12 years old! Did you never make a mistake when you were a kid Robson? Hes gonna get enough stick at school for that anyway, let alone when some silly editor puts you up as the pantomime villian! And to top things off, you have some silly, supposedly working class cartoon trying to put you on trial in front of Judge Pepe Reina! "i call a spade a spade" is what you say right? Well i call an insensitive moron, and insensitive moron. Thats about all we have in common. You fool.

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  • 88. At 4:03pm on 19 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Now Robbo, I hope you pay due attention to this serious lady named after a sex position (post 87).

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  • 89. At 4:06pm on 19 Oct 2009, charlie_9 wrote:

    Liverpool will still be in and amongst the summit. Even in the dark and forgotten "souness years" we were still flirting with the idea of success. It's frustrating that the hindsight wasn't there to replace xabi. or adapt a different formation at least. You can't expect to have a more successful year, playing exactly the same formation but with less than adequate replacements. Maybe, just maybe, we can nick a result against Utd and kick start a bit of a streak. It only takes one result to turn things around sometimes.

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  • 90. At 4:11pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Hi gang, hope your all well.

    A quick post to all the JDR slaters, leave the guy alone, he is (as we all are) perfectly entitled to air his views on this blog, no matter how repeatitive, some my find them. Actually he makes interesting points over football and I find myself sometimes agreeing with the points he's made.

    Lastly, and most importantly, if there was no JDR, than we'd never have got to see Gaz' videos or TommyO's McD's analogy and many other highly amusing retorts, which, for me anyway, makes this blog unmissable.

    Peace y'awl. H2H.

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  • 91. At 4:12pm on 19 Oct 2009, alwaysindoubt wrote:

    I think there has been a drop in quality of the big teams this season, although I think they may still do enough to be occupying the top 4 places come the end of the season. Chelsea look strongest overall but are aging, Man U can still turn it on intermittently but look a different team without Rooney, Arsenal have surprised a few people but still not quite the finished article, Liverpool obviously in the most danger of slipping back.

    They might be the top 4 in the Premier League come the end of the season but I would stick my neck out and predict no English team will be in the Champions League final this year.

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  • 92. At 4:17pm on 19 Oct 2009, Neilthedrillgodden wrote:

    The “Big 4” aren’t any stronger than last season, with the exception of Arsenal whose young talented team has matured. They also seemed to have tightened up their defence with the signing of Vermaelen. Both Manchester United and Liverpool have sold brilliant players and not replaced them with anywhere near the same quality.

    Chelsea have done nothing more than their pensioners, aged an extra year.

    Whilst Manchester City are pushing hard and Villa with Spurs will have a strong season, the league table is already shaping up with the usual suspects taking up 3 of the top 4 places. Apart from Manchester City, it’s a case of Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool falling back, rather than the rest of the league catching up with them.

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  • 93. At 4:19pm on 19 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    good point, Spitfire! hard to respect the opinion of some teenager (presumably) whose idea of clever is to dub him/herself "69" (tee-hee-hee! what a naughty one!

    as for JDR, here's the deal - he is a punk, and a wind-up artist (to put it flatteringly). he enjoys annoying people; it is his raison d'etre. so for the majority of us that don't value his tiresome contribution, just ignore him.
    i started scrolling right past his comments a while back, and my quality of life has improved as a result... i highly recommend it.

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  • 94. At 4:20pm on 19 Oct 2009, SirMouseburger wrote:

    I noticed The News of the Screws was doing its usual "Do you know the beach ball boy? if so, give as a call on....", so it wont be long before he has and article in Britain's daily favourite and starts coining it in on the minor celebrity circuit (a dark horse for Celebrity Big Brother, perhaps?!).

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  • 95. At 4:22pm on 19 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    53. At 2:26pm on 19 Oct 2009, sharptosheedy wrote:
    Makes me laugh that Bent said the Liverpool players should have cleared the beachball - Have you ever seen a professional stop to kick a balloon off the pitch during an attack? They're all too busy focusing on the game - if a player got distracted by a balloon and the opposition scored, he'd not only be on the bench but also the tabloid's latest donkey/turnip target
    _________________________________________________________________________

    Besides which they were worried that somewhere within the balloon was a little American kid in a cardboard box.

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  • 96. At 4:25pm on 19 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    87. At 3:59pm on 19 Oct 2009, snicka69 wrote:
    Shame on you Robson! You honestly reckon that MOTD shouldnt have pixelated the young liverpool fans face who threw the ball in? I was watching Sky Sports who shamefully DID show the face, and i was appalled. Hes all of about 12 years old! Did you never make a mistake when you were a kid Robson? Hes gonna get enough stick at school for that anyway, let alone when some silly editor puts you up as the pantomime villian! And to top things off, you have some silly, supposedly working class cartoon trying to put you on trial in front of Judge Pepe Reina! "i call a spade a spade" is what you say right? Well i call an insensitive moron, and insensitive moron. Thats about all we have in common. You fool.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    It's so hard to convey tone in a blog. It was a tad 'tongue in cheek' but there's a knee-jerk ninja born every minute. Besides which I bet enough people know who the dopy dolt is by now. They really should stop people desperately throwing crap on to the pitch (and that includes a Benitez substitution!)

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  • 97. At 4:30pm on 19 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Denis - I'm trying to adhere to your JDR policy too. But it's hard. Every week he tells us that the blog is not funny, not worthwhile, never-changing and still he's reading it. Every week I know that his comments will be not funny, not worthwhile and never-changing, and still I read them. I have JDR-syndrome. Arrrrggggghhh! It must be driving him mad.

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  • 98. At 4:34pm on 19 Oct 2009, Rastolo wrote:

    Might have already been mentioned, but not enough credit is given to the teams that conquer the 'big 4'.
    I say well done to Sunderland - victory over liverpool, and a draw (should have been victory) at Old Trafford. Well done to Villa too - good victories over Chelsea and Liverpool.

    It's not always about how badly the big teams play, sometimes its how well the others do

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  • 99. At 4:39pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    This from todays BBC gossip column,

    "The inflatable beach ball off which Bent's strike veered into the net was official Liverpool merchandise, part of a beach set recently reduced to £10 in the club shop. (Various)"

    Now, I've just heard from a totally unreliable source in Manchester that Mark Hughes was considering making a £250 bid in the January transfer window. (could be a load of balls though)

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  • 100. At 4:40pm on 19 Oct 2009, LABSAB9 wrote:

    Liverpool will NOT finish in the top 4 - Arsenal definetly will (not sure where in the top 4 though)

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  • 101. At 4:44pm on 19 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Liverpool might be top 4 but it depends absolutely on Gerrard and Torres's fitness. Dirk Kuyt at centre-forward - even Pompey might blench.

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  • 102. At 4:50pm on 19 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    chin up, Robbo - the human condition, i'm afraid, always going for what we don't need... kinda like that last can of lager i meant to leave in the fridge last night!

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  • 103. At 4:56pm on 19 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    who did Portugal draw, by the way? i heard Sepp Blatter's great-Nephew's rec league team was a possible candidate.

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  • 104. At 4:57pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    "Dirk Kuyt at centre-forward - even Pompey might blench."

    Didn't Kuyt play centre forward for the Netherlands against England, I believe he scored too, it's not that I rate him much, but who else are they (L'pool) going to play? That David "wash" Ngog lads not much "kop" either.

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  • 105. At 4:58pm on 19 Oct 2009, taeryn wrote:

    Portugal drew Bosnia. So yes, pretty much.

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  • 106. At 5:12pm on 19 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    I think Ireland are in with a good chance against France. That said, individual quality in French squad may yet prove decisive.

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  • 107. At 5:17pm on 19 Oct 2009, socrates wrote:

    Rumours are that if Bosnia are beating Portugal as the match approaches 90 minutes, Sepp Blatter will bombard the pitch with inflatable beach-balls to get the match called off.

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  • 108. At 5:34pm on 19 Oct 2009, Safcman wrote:

    17. At 1:42pm on 19 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:
    Liverpool - its been known for sometime that Gerrard and Torres are the primary attacking drive behind the team so is it really so surprising that they lose away from home to an on form Sunderland team who scored a lucky goal?


    I for one am surprised (pleasantly so) that we beat Liverpool. Mind you I'm surprised at our form in general.

    Last year we were lucky to beat any team at home.

    God knows how Bruce has managed to turn the team around in such a short space in time.

    And his transfer dealings are top drawer. Cana for 5 million was a right bargain - fantastic player. He did great in defence on saturday as well.

    Bruce must be a candidate for manager of the season if we keep this form up.

    14. At 1:41pm on 19 Oct 2009, CrawleyAVFC wrote:

    I don't want to be negative about Sunderland. I think they are an excellent team and should expect an 8th place but this year I think there are 7 teams stronger than them and thats not including Everton.

    ....................

    I'll settle for 8th!!!

    I'm just loving the fact that ppl in this thread are refering to sunderland being a top 8 team! how times change.

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  • 109. At 5:34pm on 19 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    #97 You have my sincerest condolences on catching this hidious disease Robbo.

    #107

    Don't forget distress flares ;)

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  • 110. At 5:34pm on 19 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    ROBBO! Stealing my line about United being crap this year, but we were crap last year and still won the league.

    Not to worry, it will all be ok come the end of the season when you have to admit I was right about Liverpool dropping out of the top 4. Or maybe in January when it will be so obvious that even TommyO might see it.

    Nice to see that after another weekend of Liverpool mediocrity all Tommy can do is focus on United and Sir Alex.

    Can't wait till Sunday when the Anfield turf will be covered with red balloons as a gift from their neighbours and rivals.

    Well their not really rivals, rivals would actually rival us for winning the league. Here's some perspective for you...

    The last time Liverpool won the league there was no such thing as the internet, the Berlin wall was still up, China was poor and Megan Fox was a 3 year old baby.

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  • 111. At 5:39pm on 19 Oct 2009, The Dirty Tackle wrote:

    Hi Robbo,

    Another good blog covering the exciting happenings of the weekend.

    I was somewhat surprised by the Villa v Chelsea score, but thinking back, O'Neill's teams have always been decent at set pieces.

    Villa's goals showed up a fragile looking Chelsea defence - who exactly was Drogba marking?

    I know cries of 'he's a forward' will proverbially ring throughout the discussion board. However, Drogba would/will be taught the basics of a forward defending a corner; it's a bread-and-butter standard in training.

    Keep up the good work sir!
    MOP13
    www.manonplatform13.blogspot.com
    www.thedirtytackle.blogspot.com

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  • 112. At 5:43pm on 19 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Almost forgot, did anyone hear about Darren Bents posting on his Twitter yesterday morning?

    He said "Morning all, might go to the beach today"

    I like him!

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  • 113. At 5:44pm on 19 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    110. At 5:34pm on 19 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote.

    Nice to see that after another weekend of Liverpool mediocrity all Tommy can do is focus on United and Sir Alex.

    nice bit of selective reading - the stock in trade of the manc



    oh and the internet was invented roundabout 1973/74 - you know when Man Utd got relegated and plastic manc fans like you were nowhere to be seen !!!

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  • 114. At 5:50pm on 19 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    I had a fiver with myself that Tommy would point out that about the internet. I won. It's been a great weekend all round. Life is indeed a beach.

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  • 115. At 5:54pm on 19 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    funny - i had a tenner that Gaz would post something that wasn't true, i'm quids in again!

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  • 116. At 5:55pm on 19 Oct 2009, goldstone79 wrote:

    #113 - of course, back then it took JDR and a team of countless volunteers 473 hours and 3 large rooms filled with technology to register a complaint with the BBC. This was delivered in binary code, although it is rumoured that the same combination of 1s and 0s was submitted each time...

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  • 117. At 6:00pm on 19 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Robbo, it occurs to me that you can probably drive back from the Mother-in-law's house a lot faster than you drive there which only proves that it's not all about the car!

    Fascinating stuff. The tiniest bit of research shows that the Internet had its conceptual beginnings in the 50's but really became useable in 1989. More essential knowledge gathered courtesy of virtual attendance at Robbo's blog!

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_was_the_internet_invented_and_used

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  • 118. At 6:08pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    erm back on topic: lol

    " Might have already been mentioned, but not enough credit is given to the teams that conquer the 'big 4'. "

    much alas is expected of the likes of Arsenal, man u, pool and more recently of course the chavs.

    the four teams mentioned have over the history of the top flight set the pace as it were.

    however in the modern era, only Arsenal and man u have managed to secure silverware. I would include the chavs but as well all know, and if we are all honest, the chavs recent inclusion to top status was not born out of a substantial and loyal surporter base, it is recent success ( and very brief as well ) born out of pumping huge sums of money into the outfit in order they could compete. I have no truck with that at all, however, this brought success seems to have gone to thier heads as well as that of the " mouth " morinho, who reminded me very much of the part Eli Wallach played in the Good the Bad and the Ugly, comical at times, but then as in the film, his mouth got the better of him. Since then of course the chavs owners have relentlessly and ruthlessly sort success and treated many a fine manager, with a great deal to offer the game, with utter contempt and have in my book brought the game into disrepute on more than one occasion with thier wealth and egos, as such I can have no respect at all for such a dire outfit and any success they have had is very meaningless in the grand order of things. so in this case, many surporters will indeed laud the efforts of other clubs who beat them as in truth the chavs are not a top four outfit at all, they just think they are due to winning 2 PL titles in how many years? londond finest club my backside.

    Arsenal, man u and pool, are not expected to loose and when they do, it comes as a slight shock to all including those that support them ( I am a gooner by the way ) so in order to lessen the blow the match reports tend not to praise the efforts of the smaller club ( no disrepect intended by the way ) its just not supposed to happen to a big club. but arsenal, man u and pool will just have to get used to the blips and get on with it next game, and im sure man u well be on a hiding! pool have a lot to say, and not just on these blogs, they will say it on the park, and man u well may well on the reciept of another good thump.


    It is no secret that many, myself included think man u's success is not only due to shall we say " good " football, or that familar phrase " grounding out wins despite playing badly, (how do u play badly with 14 players on the pitch? for those numericly challenged, thats a whole team plus the three officials) it has in many respects been down to luck! and far to much of it! this is about to change, as many now are watching with pen and paper to statisise just how much luck they enjoy, it will not be long before something is let out the bag and dodgy time clocks are only the beggining of the story .

    however thats the way the rub of the green has gone as i have no proof, as yet, of what i would call match fixing in the PL.

    the reason birmingham never got a mention is that this time, they lost! were soundly beaten by a far more superior outfit which of course is Arsenal. there were , thankfully, no broken legs and no crying in the arsenal half, by those who should know better.

    Arsenal have at last grown up and will set this PL season alight with some breathtaking stuff.

    we are comming to a ground near you with the exception of city and man u who will be comming to us! bring your own chef! you will need him and neither will be as fortunate.

    the Gunners will blow u apart.

    shine on.

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  • 119. At 6:27pm on 19 Oct 2009, marfaducal wrote:

    #108

    I'm loving the idea that we can break into the top 4! The fact that various posts have rubbished the idea (that only the maddest of SAFC fans would seriously consider) shows that now, in a one off game against any of the "top" teams, they are no longer confident of guaranteed points off us.

    Doesn't that feel good!

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  • 120. At 6:29pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    DG3, To be fair, Chelsea were getting pretty decent pre Abromovich, they were in or around the top 4 and had won a few cups, unlike city who were basically a mid table team.
    Your prediction about L'pool beating Man Utd like last year, on current form I can't see it, but you never know.

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  • 121. At 6:32pm on 19 Oct 2009, OneLeagueTitlePlease wrote:

    If we weren't really rivals Gaz then you might stop talking about us for five minutes! You never know, we might just beat you this weekend and knock you off your pedestal. There wouldn't be many people who wouldn't enjoy that.

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  • 122. At 6:32pm on 19 Oct 2009, Vermaelogy wrote:

    @108
    I agree that if steve bruce keeps up the hard work then he'll deserve manger of year but more importantly if Bents scores 25 goals or more he deserves a England call up he has to be better than Heskey

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  • 123. At 6:35pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    re DG3 again, "
    "(how do u play badly with 14 players on the pitch? for those numericly challenged thats a whole team plus the three officials)"

    Sorry mate, but there are usually 4 officials

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  • 124. At 6:45pm on 19 Oct 2009, Vermaelogy wrote:

    @121

    bloody hell talk about the gooner prophecy

    as much as I agree with you we need to sort out our defensive tactics, I still believe in the Wenger argument that conceding comes with the philosophy of football we promote and that people can talk about our defensive woes but don't mention the fact we're on 3 an half goals a game before birmingham is was 4, but I'll stop the talking I know for sure that Arsenal will be up there come and a trophy is coming to the Emirates albeit a F.A cup or maybe the Champions league

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  • 125. At 6:46pm on 19 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #1 - TommyOnion - Liverpool lose to an illegal goal, West Ham denied a blatant penalty when one of their players gets punched in the face in the area and neither manager abuses the referee - what is the world coming to?

    ------------------------------------------

    Justice that's what.

    Liverpool and to a lesser extent Chelsea are there for the taking. Arsenal are still a bit Keeganish in terms of score more than the opposition and don't worry about defending.

    And yes I must mention it.

    Gary Neville plays - 1 assist and 3 points

    GARY NEVILLE FOR ENGLAND (bet he would have got rid of the red ball )

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  • 126. At 6:47pm on 19 Oct 2009, rockreddevilsforlife wrote:

    It is no secret that many, myself included think man u's success is not only due to shall we say " good " football, or that familar phrase " grounding out wins despite playing badly, (how do u play badly with 14 players on the pitch? for those numericly challenged, thats a whole team plus the three officials) it has in many respects been down to luck! and far to much of it! this is about to change, as many now are watching with pen and paper to statisise just how much luck they enjoy, it will not be long before something is let out the bag and dodgy time clocks are only the beggining of the story .



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    just another idiot!!!!! just admit you cant bear to stand the champions success and definately cant bear united on top of the table despite loosing ronaldo and tevez.... little advice to you though, jealously kills, all you have to do is to hope ur beloved arsenal can archieve half of what the champions (united) have archieved. (if that is even possible)

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  • 127. At 6:50pm on 19 Oct 2009, NoddyTalbot wrote:

    So in my Fantasy team should i have signed the Red Beach Ball & not Mrs Redknapp ?

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  • 128. At 6:55pm on 19 Oct 2009, cup o tea wrote:

    Top 4 getting weaker?

    Is that why, 9 games in, United are already 7 points clear of 8th spot??

    Granted, there have seem some odd results, Burnley vs United for example, and City have had a good start, as have Spurs, but slowly and surely the league is taking its usual shape (Liverpool aside, but then last season was a bit of a freak one, one that without Alonso, Torres and Gerrard they have no chance of repeating).

    Yes, Arsenal have lost 2 games, they've also played 2 more than everyone else (CL qualifiers) and haven't performed badly in any of them - even the 2 losses (away from home in Manc, one after an international break), they should've got something from both games.

    Liverpool will creep back up there, City and Spurs will tail off, the top 4 will be pretty much as expected come Christmas, Villa, Spurs and City will weaken next spring, and people will be back to saying that the divide is too big.

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  • 129. At 6:59pm on 19 Oct 2009, taeryn wrote:

    @118 - How does it matter if Chelsea poured out the GDP of a small country to buy their titles? All the successful teams in every league of any significance are the most successful largely because of their spending power. Football these days is becoming more and more just a spending contest, can't really fault Chelsea, Man. City et al for trying to take advantage of that. Until there is a salary cap it will continue to go that way. By the way, I'm a fellow Arsenal fan, and I do appreciate Wenger's policy of a soundly run club, nurturing talent rather than spending out the arse for established players.

    @123 - Well the fourth official wouldn't be on the pitch, but that's a good point considering DG3's main point was about "dodgy time clocks" which would conceivably involve the fourth official.

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  • 130. At 7:01pm on 19 Oct 2009, Pablo Aimless wrote:

    Less spelling mistakes than usual Robbo... I suppose that's progress.

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  • 131. At 7:07pm on 19 Oct 2009, ControlledMagic wrote:

    I'll tell thee summat for nowt, Robbo Robson & Co - everyone, yes everyone apart from me has signally failed to address the most pertinent )indeed, first) question in the blog this week and so it is left to me (pre-modding) to prove it.

    I couldn't find one 'in' bacofoil but there's some in the background so it must count.....and it is, indeed, nice to see.
    :-)

    http://www.nottheads.com/images/lady-gaga1.jpg

    Must be my mid-life crisis coming on....

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  • 132. At 7:09pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    @ 129,- Technicaly the linesmen, or line officals (whatever they're called) aren't on the pitch either.

    re 62, Denis, you're right mate, our fellow gooners on this blog seem to be multiplying by the minute.

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  • 133. At 7:14pm on 19 Oct 2009, taeryn wrote:

    Yeah H2H, I thought of that as I was posting, but figured the whole thing was getting too pedantic anyway ;-).

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  • 134. At 7:16pm on 19 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    H2H, Many would consider converting to Goonerism but from a purely personal point of view, they kick the ball around too fast for me to keep up.

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  • 135. At 7:16pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    The only reason I´d want to see Lady Gaga wrapped in bacofoil would be if someone else was about to load her into a pre heated oven.

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  • 136. At 7:17pm on 19 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    It is hard to convey tone on t'internet but if you can read this in a David Attenborough voice it should get it across...


    "And here we see the Arsenal fan emerge from it's summer hideaway and into it's natural habitat. The fan has spent the last 5 years hibernating, where it has been alone with it's own thoughts and dreams. Only coming out from the months September to December when it thinks the sun is shining to regal us with it's Champions song.

    As you can see the Arsenal fan has shred its skin over the summer, continuing its homage to its creator in trying to look younger every year.

    Scientists are worried however that this year will continue the trend caused by global warming over the last few years where while feeding for the fan is good but disappears after the Christmas period.

    The resulting lack of food causes hallucinations where the fan sees a wonderful display of beauty that doesn't actually exist.

    They then go back into hibernation, ready to return again the following year to repeat the process."

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  • 137. At 7:24pm on 19 Oct 2009, ControlledMagic wrote:

    H2H - don't blame me, Robbo started the imagery you know....

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  • 138. At 7:27pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    H2H:

    ok i agree i am somewhat harsh on the chavs and as i say I have no truck at all that the arrival of RA brought them inclusion, in fact i was quite relieved for then it would not be just the likes of Arsenal who would be standing between both man u and pool as to where the spoils end up. and to remind all, Arsenal for decades stood between the likes of man u and pool in respect of both clubs we brought thier little empires crashing down to earth meanwhile the chavs and the spurs and others were making up the numbers made very little impact save the odd FA Vase

    from a a pure footy standpoint, i was pleased the chavs were in the mix and indeed triumphed it made the PL far more interesting i am not bashing the genuine chelsea guy just those that erm, jumped on a bandwagon and it would seem many real chavs are not that happy with the way thier managers were treated by this guy.

    and as we move forward, this big four is loooking very suspect, which in truth can only be for the good of the game, the Portsmouth have new owners, as do Birmingham etc, its catching on fast.

    the finnacial crisis or erm reccession has hit many of these millionaires hard, what better way for them to recoup thier huge losses by investing in the EPL.

    anyways thats another story.

    I think, depending on the mindset, there will be change at the top but wether these teams who are hovering in the wings have the manager with knowhow on how to sustain it is another matter.
    even if pool were to drop out of the top four places it would not be for long! the same goes for Arsenal, man u and the chavs.

    with Arsenal of course, we have done the ground work, new stadium etc in no way are we relient upon revenue from the CL as some might think.
    arsenal to be champs and boy all these pundits must dread that from being a reality. with the possible exception of Robbo who at least acknowledges on occasion that not only do Arsenal play the most attractive football, but had the decency to regognise the positives AW brought to the PL.

    if i may be bold as to suggest the bulk of the PL want AW and his methods to prevail Arsenal to slip out the top four? more chance of Pigs On the Wing if you ask me.



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  • 139. At 7:27pm on 19 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    Would this be about the greater or lesser crested Arsenal fan Gaz?

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  • 140. At 7:27pm on 19 Oct 2009, SecondcomingofEric wrote:

    re DG3 again, "
    "(how do u play badly with 14 players on the pitch? for those numericly challenged thats a whole team plus the three officials)"

    Sorry mate, but there are usually 4 officials

    ....................................

    3 on the pitch though! as stated

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  • 141. At 7:28pm on 19 Oct 2009, kenny_burns_kneecap wrote:


    Was it a beach ball thrown on by a kid?

    My mistake, thought it was that Stevie G lost some gear whilst preparing for a night out in Southport with his mates.

    http://www.kungfu4less.com/elsb.html

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  • 142. At 7:28pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    133 , taeryn, admittedly I might of took it too far, but it´s all in good fun.

    Trotter, I´m sure we could make youn a honoury Gooner and sen you some highlights of our matches digitally reduced in speed for your enjoyment.
    BTW did you win anything for your L´pool prediction, or was it a double up with the Bolton gamè

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  • 143. At 7:34pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Gaz, funny.

    DG3, Shine on

    140, I´ve explained this already.

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  • 144. At 7:37pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    H2H

    by the way your abreviated screename can read as;

    H To He Am The Only One

    a title of a rather nifty album buy a band called Van Der Graff Generator

    off topic but there u go lol

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  • 145. At 7:42pm on 19 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    H2H, I lost. If they'd had some heading practice last week I could have been a contender!

    That sounds just like the double-headed hammer-toed lesser-spotted snap-warbling gooner!

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  • 146. At 7:48pm on 19 Oct 2009, arsenalrvp wrote:

    Love the blog as usual just wish that you and the bbc wud give arsenal a bit more discussion than wat was on motd and just telling us that our defence is weak. I personally believe that out of the top four we are the only team to improve. BTW this doesnt mean I think we will win the league.
    Although I do hope

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  • 147. At 7:54pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    DG3, thanks for that.

    That´s a darn shame, I had my fingers crossed for ya. I think if your boys had played the whole match as well as they did in the last 20 mins, they may have got something out of it. Anyway while watching the post match interviews I was thinking about what you had said on a previous blog, and I have to agree that Megson seems like an honest, no nonsence guy.

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  • 148. At 7:56pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Re 147
    Trotter, That´s a darn shame, I had my fingers crossed for ya. I think if your boys had played the whole match as well as they did in the last 20 mins, they may have got something out of it. Anyway while watching the post match interviews I was thinking about what you had said on a previous blog, and I have to agree that Megson seems like an honest, no nonsence guy.

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  • 149. At 7:56pm on 19 Oct 2009, taeryn wrote:

    @146 - It's probably better that Arsenal has largely been written off, the extra pressure from being considered favorites for the title is unnecessary (I'm sure Liverpool feel that way). Like you, I don't expect us to win the league this year, but I do feel we have a great chance. It remains to be seen whether Chelsea and United slip up, or if City/Spurs etc. can last the distance in their current form.

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  • 150. At 8:07pm on 19 Oct 2009, stokeramblers wrote:

    When did West Ham get denied a blatant penalty? I dont remember the ball being in play when Upson got slapped. Im not defending what huth did, but it wasnt a peno.

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  • 151. At 8:11pm on 19 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #150 - Actually it was a penalty and a red card. As the foul was in the area the referee should have given a penalty to West Ham and sent Huth off. Still glad he didn't though as can't be doing with West Ham getting 3 points.

    Great set of results for United and hopefully Owen will get some goals soon as we need to make sure we can compensate for Rooney being out (although how Jaskelaainan kept out Berbatov's scissor kick I'll never know. Great strike, great save

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  • 152. At 8:15pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    hahha so someone has pulled me up about the 4th official (smile)

    i excluded him because he does not have a direct bearing on the game on the field ( unless that is we bring in the technology that is so desperatly called for )

    so my rather tounge in cheek jibe at man u's success due to shall we say for now the " rub of the green " is correct.

    i have not what a clue the 4th official does, it seems very little apart from having his kit on standby should the designated ref get flu. at the very least i would have thought his dutys would be to negate...

    " @123 - Well the fourth official wouldn't be on the pitch, but that's a good point considering DG3's main point was about "dodgy time clocks" which would conceivably involve the fourth official. "

    but it seems he dont even manage that minor task.

    GazUtd LOL i like DA and thats a good un best thing on the BBC no doubt about it.

    and as for this:

    " just another idiot!!!!! just admit you cant bear to stand the champions success and definately cant bear united on top of the table despite loosing ronaldo and tevez.... little advice to you though, jealously kills, all you have to do is to hope ur beloved arsenal can archieve half of what the champions (united) have archieved. (if that is even possible) "

    i am happy to agree with " just another idiot!!!!! " as this is the normal response i exepct when one dares to question the success of your team. I would like to add, my thoughts are just opinions fella, nothing more nothing less and as an " idiot " i am alas unfortunately allowed to possess such a thing i know that might get up ya nose, but tuff. there have been times when your team has deservedly won the titles and thus the admiration of us all, but temper this with the times that you have had success with more than just the " rub of the green " and you still wont agree to it!

    i am far from jealous of your teams success, if so i would have jumped ship ages ago and be walking down canterbury high street with your teams logo blazened across my back and chest. as it is i walk the same street but upon my back are the words.....

    the Invincibles 49 Games Unbeaten not even you can boast such a feat, nor will u ever do so.

    smile.

    i have no reason at all to be jealous.

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  • 153. At 8:15pm on 19 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    H2H, let's also recognise the fact that Man U only fielded half a team and could have stepped up about 4 gears had they felt the need. That's the brilliant aspect of their game, they always have a plan B, C and D.

    KD gave the ball away a couple of times which is infuriating when you don't get it much to begin with! Shockingly, Berbatov has now gone to a bag-tie type of skinnier head-band which looks as if it might soon prevent blood flow to his frontal lobes. This partially explains why he was readily handled by Cahill.

    Yep, Meggo's alright. As mentioned, we're just short of money and talent! Not a situation that's likely to change soon.

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  • 154. At 8:15pm on 19 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    what's the proper diagnosis when the bowels produce an annoyingly persistent, embarassing sound, and a foul odor fills the room?

    oh yes - you've got Gaz.

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  • 155. At 8:20pm on 19 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    the Invincibles 49 Games Unbeaten not even you can boast such a feat, nor will u ever do so.

    smile.

    i have no reason at all to be jealous.

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    But not 50 - so near and yet so far. And what have you done since? It's a bit like Preston North End fans walking down Seven Sisters Road with 1888-89 Double Winners the Original Invincibles.

    Unlike Utd who would have League Champions on their shirts

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  • 156. At 8:25pm on 19 Oct 2009, taeryn wrote:

    @155 "But not 50 - so near and yet so far." - seriously? Other than being a nice round number, how does 50 over 49 make any more difference than one more game? Don't knock the achievement, it will probably never be equaled. You are entitled to disliking the Arsenal, but comments like that just make you look like you are grasping at straws.

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  • 157. At 8:30pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    adam, why would Preston walk down a street in North London?

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  • 158. At 8:34pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    I mmeant Preston fans

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  • 159. At 8:36pm on 19 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Denis there's a book on Amazon I think would be perfect for you...

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/0766160203/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

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  • 160. At 8:36pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    " But not 50 "

    this as u can imagine is a bone of contention most would know why it never reached 50.

    but no worrys we still managed the feat which has to be said is a remarkable achievement in the modern game i think even mr hanson had to change his undies on realising the news.

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  • 161. At 8:46pm on 19 Oct 2009, raszobbo wrote:

    Well done Robbo. Great blog.

    re 159 - lol that was superb

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  • 162. At 8:53pm on 19 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    what's the proper diagnosis when the bowels produce an annoyingly persistent, embarassing sound, and a foul odor fills the room?

    oh yes - you've got Gaz.
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    GazUtd wrote:

    Denis there's a book on Amazon I think would be perfect for you...

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    is it titled: How to spot a computer virus sent by a disgruntled blogger you've had your way with, for Dummies?

    no thanks, Gaz-bag - i know how that one ends! ;]

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  • 163. At 8:57pm on 19 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    At 8:53pm on 19 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    blogger you've had your way with

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    You wish Denis, you wish.

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  • 164. At 9:08pm on 19 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    seriously, i'm sure your p*rn link is a real Gaz.

    for someone who's constantly gloating over his (team's) recent victories... do you WISH to remind everyone how our last debate ended?

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  • 165. At 9:09pm on 19 Oct 2009, arsonwenger wrote:

    I think we've had essentially two packs in the PL for some time now :

    What is euphemistically called the Top Four (Arsenal, Chelsea, ManU and Pool) + the chasing pack (Spurs, City, Villa, Everton)

    Effectively 4 + 4. The 4 chasing teams have gotten stronger but I don't think it's just spending rather a bit of continuity.

    1) Spurs have undoubtedly benefited from their self-inflicted roller coaster ride and are now playing to potential under the sound management of Redknap. Let's not forget with all this hoopla over City breaking into the Top 4, it's Spurs that are sitting in third (albeit having played a game extra)

    2)City too have had the benefit of Sparky on the helm for several seasons now. Hopefully, he will be able to manage some of the huge egos (I'm thinking Adebayor, Bellamy, maybe Robinho but he might be able to get rid of him in Jan)that have been brought on and the board doesn't suffer from the same impatience shown by Leeds and Newcastle before.

    3)Villa have been great under the guile of O'Neil. Again they have had time to work out a system that best suits them (Buy British?) under him and have bedded in well.

    4) Everton is the team with the scarcest means but over the past seasons, they have always maintained within striking distance thanks to (again) continuity under Moyes.

    Now IF any of these chasing teams can benefit from more balloons which will play in future matches against Liverpool and make the Top 4, let's not get carried away because, the real lithmus test into breaking into the club would be to repeat the performance in the second season (with the pressure of CL league football as well)

    City have the best means to step up when that happens at present but I really think until then, that any of these four chasing teams have the ability to take a place in CL IF any of the Top 4 decide to implode.

    They (Arsenal, Chelsea, ManU and even Liverpool) haven't yet and are still very competitively place so don't start writing their orbituary right now.

    I can tell you one thing from Arsenal's perspective. We're not looking over the shoulder mate. We've just overhauled City and we're looking at ManU right now.

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  • 166. At 9:17pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    " But not 50 "

    this as u can imagine is a bone of contention most would know why it never reached 50.

    but no worrys we still managed the feat which has to be said is a remarkable achievement in the modern game i think even mr hanson had to change his undies on realising the news.

    erm was this posted twice if so aplogies not my fault server issues.

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  • 167. At 9:25pm on 19 Oct 2009, frankfromyork wrote:

    Hi Robbo

    Dont you agree that Saturdays match at Liverpool is vital for the pool as if ManU win they will be 10 points ahead of Lpool after just 10 matches.

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  • 168. At 9:26pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    " Unlike Utd who would have League Champions on their shirts "

    erm sorry to ask but did not 49 games unbeaten mean in effect that Arsenal were Champions that season and as a result and due to the obvious achievement, the said shirt had to say something other than " league champions " as anyone can achieve that.

    it was beffiting the feat was set in print as forgive me, but even man u would not even have that in thier shops? as they have not done it.

    ohhh i sound like a lil boy

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  • 169. At 9:27pm on 19 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Don't worry DavidG, reference to Arsenals invincible season is made 2,358,891 times every day somewhere on the internet. We are used to it.

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  • 170. At 9:28pm on 19 Oct 2009, Chris the Roll wrote:

    Did anyone else notice that, earlier in the game (as seen on MOTD) that beachball was IN the goal...it appeared. So, in theory, there had been time to shift it.

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  • 171. At 9:32pm on 19 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Hornucopia, there has been ample time to shift the large red gas filled bag, but some fans still like Benitez. Long may it continue.

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  • 172. At 9:59pm on 19 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    but glenn johnson wanted to kick the big red ball as it was soooo pretty

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  • 173. At 10:05pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 174. At 10:08pm on 19 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    now then you lot stop picking on us gooners! thats an order.

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    Yes sir.

    Btw did you know that both Villa and Forest have won the European Cup and you haven't?

    I'm sure you did but I thought I'd remind you, I'm nice like that.

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  • 175. At 10:11pm on 19 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    And as the mental health professionals close in on DG3's Canterbury hideaway a large stash of mind-altering ARG's (Arsene's Rosy Glasses) are found on the premises.

    Alerts have been issued about a group of 50-60 thousand deluded people wearing red shirts in various parts of North London and the South East. While generally harmless the public are cautioned not to approach them in case they also get delusions of winning trophies (similar conditions abound in the Wood Green are of London and Eastlands area of Manchester.

    When asked for a comment Sir Alex Ferguson said it was sad that Londoners had fallen prey to this but those in Tottenham and Eastlands should soon get over it and return to the mid-table obscurity that they are used to.

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  • 176. At 10:17pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    10 pints of lager and a pack of crisps please...........

    Now that´s an order

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  • 177. At 10:20pm on 19 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Adam,
    "Alerts have been issued about a group of 50-60 thousand deluded people wearing red shirts in various parts of North London and the South East."

    They could be Man Utd fans

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  • 178. At 10:44pm on 19 Oct 2009, NEARPOSTHEADER wrote:

    Gore blimey, don't you lot ramble on. Big Four, schmig four, who gives a...

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  • 179. At 11:00pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    adampsb

    " And as the mental health professionals close in on DG3's Canterbury hideaway a large stash of mind-altering ARG's (Arsene's Rosy Glasses) are found on the premises. "

    hahhhaaaaa

    GazUtd

    " I'm sure you did but I thought I'd remind you, I'm nice like that. "

    ok hmmm i will give u that one, but......if it were not for.....and also if it was not for....and the fact we.....and considering.....that had we....had not been subjected to.......then when all is said and done our name would have been carved upon that trophy as it is we ( that is Gooners ) have to wait just a lil while longer to be crowned champions of europe and i have already said in a previous effort that it will be this campaign

    " " Don't worry DavidG, reference to Arsenals invincible season is made 2,358,891 times every day somewhere on the internet. We are used to it. "
    "
    make that 2,358.892 hehhe just in case its been overlooked.



    Holloway2Holland

    " They could be Man Utd fans "

    alas u are spot on, deep within my canterbury hideaway and when venturing forth what do i see? nothing but a certain logo on certain red shirts. but within this group is that rather annoying 49 games unbeaten shirt for the benifit of GazUtd make that 2,358.893 times just in case he's overlooked or forgotten this wonderfull achievement.

    PS: My last post has been referred to moderation, seems i could be in deep u know what, if this be the case , its been nice knowing you all i shall miss you blue, red, black, pink.

    in my defence i would also like to add, it was never my intention to break the house rules but i was led on to do so by the following names...

    gaz utd
    adampsb
    robbo

    in mitigation i submit;

    i would never grass on anyone to gain an edge, however in this case i feel it my duty as afterall interlectual debate will cease as we know it unless i am a part of it. may i also add i come from a broken home.

    i can pay 50 pence per week towards my fine as well. and have no previous! so that must speak volumes.

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  • 180. At 11:05pm on 19 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    I lived in a broken home too, but we got the builders in and they fixed it.

    If however you were not from these shores then I am sure an excuse could be found for you. Actually you could use that as Arsenal's excuse for never winning anything these days, everyone is from a country where there is daily disharmony and violence. France.

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  • 181. At 11:09pm on 19 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Meanwhile word is reaching me that a spy camera installed by my friends in MI6 has caught one Mr. Rafa Benitez in the act of trying to single handedly save Liverpools season...

    http://tinyurl.com/yh8qbyo

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  • 182. At 11:24pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    lol.

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  • 183. At 11:27pm on 19 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Evening all.
    The more I read the more I think JDR is the biggest wind-up merchant on this and possibly any other blog. However, I quite like him in a masochistic sort of way because he makes me laugh. He reminds me of a Brian Rix Farce in that if you say the same thing often enough it not only becomes a joke it becomes silly enough to laugh at,silly enough to laugh at, silly enough to laugh at.........................

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  • 184. At 11:44pm on 19 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    ohhh before i retire to my roost.

    yes i am of these shores and would also state i have been a follower or should i say Gooner since the days of Bertie Mee, i should also confess that prior to this i had this thing about Peter Bonetti ( no not that kinda thing either ) and surported Chelsea i admit this does not make me a born and bred Gooner, but I converted but as i played in goal for my school team i attempted to emulate the guy, Bonetti but then i did the same with Alan Knott some years later and recieved like for like injuries as a result but was all good fun.

    as for france being violent? u cannot be serious man! a few little ships blockadeing a port, or a cavalcade of tractors blocking the hyghway hardly consitutes violence it does however suggest those in charge of the said vehicles will not be trodden upon and will fight for thier causes, alas something we in england seem reluctant to do, unless its to do with football.

    as you are a member of MI6 i think nows a good time for me to hush, moderation is one thing, being shot 6 times on a tube train just because i am carrying an Arsenal lunch box is another. french violent ? on that gaz you are defo wrong.

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  • 185. At 11:49pm on 19 Oct 2009, redDanzil wrote:

    Man Utd and Chelsea will be top 2 no problem, its between Arsenal,
    Spurs, Liverpool, Villa and Man City for 3rd/4th though. And what does this mean for Everton and Sunderland?

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  • 186. At 11:57pm on 19 Oct 2009, Imagine Reason wrote:

    The Grimm fairytale...I thought the Bible had owned that one.

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  • 187. At 00:16am on 20 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Re 186
    No! but there are twins at Man U who might play the Brothers Grimm

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  • 188. At 00:23am on 20 Oct 2009, PompeyLapras wrote:

    An F-Cup bra? That's bloody massive!

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  • 189. At 00:37am on 20 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    #188
    There's an F A Cup as well. SAme old t*ts in it every year.

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  • 190. At 01:30am on 20 Oct 2009, CarefreeCoors wrote:

    Regarding the beach ball incident, can you imagine the young lad's reaction when the ball went on the field and when the goal went in?

    He'd be having a laugh with his mates, then they'd be all excited that the ball was blowing over towards the goal mouth. "Ohhh maybe the ball will hit it, hahaha, we're so funny, maybe it will hit Pepe, hahaha, oh look, the ball's coming over and Bent's just kicked it and..."

    "...oh crap".

    On another note, Arsenal for the title anyone? I tipped us initially but The Gunners are definately looking the most assured of the "Top 4" so far this season.

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  • 191. At 01:47am on 20 Oct 2009, OneLeagueTitlePlease wrote:

    #180 You seem to enjoy mocking everyone who hasn't won titles for a while. Well done, you have money. I'm sure we could all win the league if we could spend 30 million on every position where we need to improve. And we could all quite easily support man utd like you, but we aren't all glory hunters.

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  • 192. At 03:37am on 20 Oct 2009, Crumbs wrote:

    23. At 1:47pm on 19 Oct 2009, Starfire_995 wrote:

    Glad to see you pushing the boat out again "JDR".

    On to matters worthier of my time, Liverpool only have themselves to blame for the freak goal. Reina or the defenders had ample time to remove the offending item from play before Sunderland came forward.

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    Reina put it into the goal and then it blew out again. Not as if it stayed on the 6 yard line for ages :S

    I'm just looking forward to a streaker nodding in a corner, a pack of wild dogs grabbing the ball and running it into the goal and the wonderful occasion that will be when an elephant - escaped from the zoo of course - stampedes its way through the stadium, bringing down at least part of the terrace and thrust itself onto the pitch, mauling 7 players in the process with the end result of slapping the ball in with his/her trunk from the halfway line.

    The referee I'm sure will have to allow all of those goals as it is exactly the same rule that will be adhered to. Doesn't matter if it's a beachball or an elephant - it's exactly the same situation (albeit different elements of cause) in which a goal is being caused to be scored, and therefore has to be adhered to in the same way.

    I just wonder what would happen if it was Man Utd who had that goal scored against them. I'm pretty sure SAF would still be in hospital after having a triple bypass. Still, he MAY get fined for his outburst for which every other manager would get twice the ban and about quadruple the fine.

    Doesn't take away from the fact that Liverpool are shocking, are owned by greedy imbeciles and being run by a completely clueless manager who seems to think two players can win you things. Times up. Do we really want to wait for Liverpool to finish 5th this season before admitting we need new ownership and a decent manager? I'm pretty sure that's what will happen. Man City for fourth. Easily.

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  • 193. At 03:46am on 20 Oct 2009, Crumbs wrote:

    112. At 5:43pm on 19 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Almost forgot, did anyone hear about Darren Bents posting on his Twitter yesterday morning?

    He said "Morning all, might go to the beach today"

    I like him!

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    Well he might as well get used to English beaches, cos' there's no chance in hell he's going to South Africa next year. Would be good if he could score some proper goals without the help from beachballs. But oh well, as long as he's happy with himself.

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  • 194. At 04:33am on 20 Oct 2009, jonnothecitizen wrote:

    16. At 1:42pm on 19 Oct 2009, duffy01duffy wrote:
    Gerrard would have scored with both balls......


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    love it, fair play mate.

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  • 195. At 04:35am on 20 Oct 2009, jonnothecitizen wrote:

    errr 193.

    dont quote me on this but im pretty sure Bent is in the top five goalscorers, even if ya take the beachball goal away.

    Dunno whether he'll make the plane but think Capello would be crazy to leave him at home if he is still in the top five come May

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  • 196. At 06:44am on 20 Oct 2009, busterish wrote:

    Considering you're from Boro, making those remarks about The City of Sunderland is not so much kettle calling the pan, but rusty old tin can calling the pan

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  • 197. At 08:38am on 20 Oct 2009, mark the mad wrote:

    We are not a two man team. We also had mascherano and aquallani out plus kuyt, agger and auerilo coming back to fitness. Imanage if man utd had a crisis like this at their club. They would probarly lose to sunderland. They should have at full strength.

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  • 198. At 08:49am on 20 Oct 2009, jordanuk90MUFC wrote:

    Post #197 I'd get used to Aqualani being injured he's more injury prone than Uniteds 2 Owens combined

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  • 199. At 08:59am on 20 Oct 2009, domestiques wrote:

    Paultheinfamous, "Villa bouncing back after a dodgy start"? We bounced back from the second game onwards. People arent taking us seriously and so far Liverpool and Chelsea have suffered as a result.

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  • 200. At 09:05am on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #192 - Do we really want to wait for Liverpool to finish 5th this season before admitting we need new ownership and a decent manager

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    You're optimistic. I reckon you'll probably finish in your current league position

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  • 201. At 09:05am on 20 Oct 2009, greatstpepe wrote:

    Am a liverpool fan(sadly) but has anyone noticed that Pepe kept the beachball in his net before it was blown out by the wind and ended up as the headline story?

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  • 202. At 09:07am on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    If he'd been smart he would have given it to a steward

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  • 203. At 09:15am on 20 Oct 2009, greatstpepe wrote:

    Sorry for the redundancy above at #201. Didnt know it was already mentioned.

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  • 204. At 09:21am on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    At 01:47am on 20 Oct 2009, OneLeagueTitlePlease wrote:
    #180 You seem to enjoy mocking everyone who hasn't won titles for a while. Well done, you have money. I'm sure we could all win the league if we could spend 30 million on every position where we need to improve. And we could all quite easily support man utd like you, but we aren't all glory hunters.


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    Yes you are. Every supporter is a glory hunter. That's the point, we all want our teams to win, otherwise why would we support them.

    Thankfully United are winning stuff so that gives us the right to mock those that aren't, that's what it's all about, bragging rights. I still hear about a certain 4-1 defeat we suffered last year, ohh about every 5 mins, do you have the same problem with that?

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  • 205. At 09:41am on 20 Oct 2009, chips_in_the_queue wrote:

    191. At 01:47am on 20 Oct 2009, OneLeagueTitlePlease wrote:
    "I'm sure we could all win the league if we could spend 30 million on every position where we need to improve. And we could all quite easily support man utd like you, but we aren't all glory hunters."

    Regarding your 'glory-hunter' comment, as a matter of interest I clicked on your name to find out who you support, expecting to see some Blue Square struggler - and you support Liverpool!!!!! No glory-hunters at Anfield - every fan born within a two minute bike-ride from the ground! It's funny how the word 'glory-hunters' is always used for Manchester United fans. All successful teams have their share but it stands to reason really. More success = more coverage = more fans. It's not really a bad thing either... just a cliche for the snobby to hang their hat on.

    "I'm sure we could all win the league if we could spend 30 million on every position"

    Why don't you rush out and put a tenner on City to win the premiership for the next ten years on the trot then? Put your money where your mouth is. You'll find Manchester United's success isn't all down to money (you'll also find that we don't spend 30 million on every position!). Youth development has played a massive role, not to mention countless shrewd dealings in the transfer market (Solksjaer my particular favourite).

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  • 206. At 09:44am on 20 Oct 2009, rick6899 wrote:

    I dont think the goal should of been disalowed for the beach ball remember the balloons on the pitch in the city v sheffield united fa cup 5th round tie a few years ago (below) the game wasn't stopped and city went out if we took all the controversy and talking points out of football weed lose too much of the game we love.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcxhnvJO3Tc&feature=related

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  • 207. At 09:48am on 20 Oct 2009, Feiti wrote:

    We're only 8/9 games into the season - 30 more to go.

    Tottenham and Villa are going to fizzle out, like most seasons. Gerrard and torres will be back from Injury - Liverpool will go on a winning streak back into the top 4. You'll be lucky to take a game from Man U and Chelsea. Top 4 - same teams again with Man City 5th.

    You're all kidding yourselves. Well done Everton for overhauling Liverpool ONCE!

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  • 208. At 10:02am on 20 Oct 2009, chips_in_the_queue wrote:

    I thought the way Wigan played was great - really attractive to watch. If Martinez is given a decent chance they could turn in to a really good team. Sunderland too have looked excellent in successive matches against both United and Liverpool. It's not just the results that have been impressive, it's been the way they've got the ball down, passed it and kept it.

    I think it's great to see. Fulham and Stoke continue to do well and then there are teams like City, Villa and Spurs, all looking decent bets to muscle in to the top four. This will be the most exciting Premiership for years.

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  • 209. At 10:44am on 20 Oct 2009, WEARBEST wrote:

    #21 Rugby also has laws the first law being the referee has total discretion on the interpretation of the laws of the game. This is the one that prevents all the bickering in rugby and gives the referee the respect he always gets in the game.

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  • 210. At 11:23am on 20 Oct 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 211. At 11:26am on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Robbo... you love stiring up the Hornets nest of the "top/big 4" ay... Same predictable arguments, Man utd win stuff, yeah but so did Arsenal, beautiful play blah blah blah, Liverpool have got the history yadda yadda yadda, Chelsea are only thier because they bought it, yeah but we were top4 before Roman came along, yawn, ZZZzzzzz...

    But in honesty, i do think the top 4 will be the top 4 again, Liverpool look vunerable but with Torres and Gerard back they are a different team... Villa will run out of steam (and i actually aggree with JDR, 2 set pieces were the difference but chelsea could have taken it, and even stranger, Deco payed well!!!???)

    Good to see it tighter at the top in the land of make believe though...

    And 2 final points on the liverpool game... Rafa, was a true gent and didn't blame the beach ball or the ref or the weath or the visibility of the shirts... I was shocked, and i think a certain red nosed knight of the realm, would NEVER have been so gracious in defeat under the same circumstance...

    And too those liverpool fans moaning about an inanimate beach ball scoring... You didn't mind when Jan Molby did it for you!!!

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  • 212. At 11:29am on 20 Oct 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    36. At 1:58pm on 19 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:
    JDR,t'internet is a big old thing,room for lots of things.If you would like to read in depth serious articles about any subject that your heart desires,then they will be out there.Feel free to make use of the full bbc website.Then,if you could naff off,the rest of us will be quite happy to read this whimsical piece and banter accordingly.

    why does JDR bother you so much? If it, does, there are lots of blogs he isn't on

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  • 213. At 11:32am on 20 Oct 2009, domestiques wrote:

    Chelsea could have took it? Why didnt they? Villa played well and took the 3 points dont come on and say could have, because in the end you dont get any points for could haves.

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  • 214. At 11:45am on 20 Oct 2009, Zell182 wrote:

    I think it's a little bit of both - the top four have definitely weakened (or in Chelsea's case got older and more senile) but the rest of the pack have definitely got stronger. A win against United next week will put Liverpool right back in there and people will be talking about us winning the title again...gotta love how fickle football fans are.

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  • 215. At 11:47am on 20 Oct 2009, virtuallonetraveller wrote:

    With regards to Liverpool this season , perhaps all the LFC haters could look at what Rafa had to spend this summer ?? Aquilani for £20 million and Glen Johnson for £17.5 million........£37.5 million . They sold Alonso for £30 million , Arbeloa for £3 million....which means his transher budget was.......£4.5 million - and he's meant to win the title ????? Get real !! Oh I forgot , we signed Krygiakos for £2 million .........Skirtel , Agger out injured for the most part thereby playing catch up at the moment with the rest of the squad in terms of fitness....So.....A club that finished 2nd in the premiership last season and thereby earning nearly £31 million for that alone the budget for the summer was £7 million .....and that doesn't include whatever they made from the Champions League.........and the money hasn't even been spent on a stadium !!!.......So Mr Americas , time to leave and at least allow Rafa to compete for what everyone expects him to compete for with a budget that will at least allow him to do just that ....compete for the title .........

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  • 216. At 11:51am on 20 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    211. At 11:26am on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:


    And too those liverpool fans moaning about an inanimate beach ball scoring... You didn't mind when Jan Molby did it for you!!!

    _________________________________________________________________________

    RBA - Just spluttered out me lunchtime shandy. I think I'm supposed to write 'lol' now but I'm never quite sure why.

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  • 217. At 12:07pm on 20 Oct 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    97. At 4:30pm on 19 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:
    Denis - I'm trying to adhere to your JDR policy too. But it's hard. Every week he tells us that the blog is not funny, not worthwhile, never-changing and still he's reading it. Every week I know that his comments will be not funny, not worthwhile and never-changing, and still I read them. I have JDR-syndrome. Arrrrggggghhh! It must be driving him mad.

    I'm surprised you care, unless you are concerned that he has a point, and might go away if you were better at your job?

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  • 218. At 12:11pm on 20 Oct 2009, SS11 wrote:

    Good Morning Robbo!
    You yet to answer how important is weekend's fixture @ Anfield. Write it right away before Phil McNulty puts his money umpteenth time on Liverpool to beat United comfortably....

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  • 219. At 12:13pm on 20 Oct 2009, Manos_de_Piedra wrote:

    What do people make of JDR really?

    He gets a fair amount of flack on here but in all honesty he isnt the worst by a long shot. His points are actually reasonably well made and he does make decent football arguments when he can be bothered. As opposed to the bias of the top 4 fans.

    Personally I can find some of his rants quite amusing in a strange way.Like most people I think hes wasting his time with his personal campaign but in fairness he does often have a point. Il probably get abuse for saying this but I think the blog would actually be worse off without him so I dont understand why you dont appreciate him more Robbo!

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  • 220. At 12:18pm on 20 Oct 2009, socrates wrote:

    211. RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
    "Rafa, was a true gent and didn't blame the beach ball... I was shocked, and i think a certain red nosed knight of the realm, would NEVER have been so gracious in defeat"

    Contrary to popular blog belief, Ferguson is often very gracious in defeat (i.e he heaped praise on Barca last season). But his job is to focus on United and if he feels something has gone against his team, he speaks out. In other words, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER MANAGER. Every week a premiership manager is moaning about a penalty, a red card, or a bad tackle but, let's face it, as football fans we want our manager to stand up for the team and show a bit of passion.

    Ferguson's recent outburst has received so much coverage but why is that seen worse (in the press) than the countless managers who repeatedly question the integrity of referees? Wenger called a recent decision 'Old Traffordish' - surely that is much worse than Ferguson (rightly) questioning the fitness of a ref? Because it's Ferguson (and perhaps because there was more spittle involved!) it gets the column inches and because it gets the column inches, people like you have this perception that Ferguson is the most ungracious manager in the premiership.

    If he was the figure you paint him to be, why is he so respected amongst other managers? How come seemingly every new manager in the game say they got a phone call from Ferguson wishing them good luck? When Houllier was in hospital Ferguson even went to visit him! He's not quite the satanic figure you paint him out to be, rather someone that people like you 'love to hate'.

    Going back to your original point though, I too was amazed at Benitez's subdued response. Last season he went through a truly bizarre few months of petulantly pointing the finger and looking for excuses. I thought he would use it as a convenient excuse to mask his teams performance but you're right, he did show admirable restraint.


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  • 221. At 12:19pm on 20 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    #219

    H'd be ok if he dropped the 'Same old crud' nonsense he starts of with each blog and learned to live with the fact that Robbo isn't going to be changing his writing style any time soon.

    Funny McNulty is being mentioned. Anyone else notice he's been rather quiet this week?

    PS. I've saved this post should it magically disappear because I've dared to refer to McNulty by name.

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  • 222. At 12:19pm on 20 Oct 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    Forgive the pedant in me, but:

    "is it time to start taking Sunderland seriously? (Not the town, obviously)."

    Sunderland is a City, not a town.

    Now, on to more important things...

    Whitley Bay FC 5 - 1 Chester Le Street

    40 points out of 14 games, undefeated and showing no signs of wilting yet. Tonight we play the famous Bedlington Terriers at the mighty Hillheads. Ultimately, this is our game in hand match so a victory will see us go 5 points clear.

    Then, this coming weekend, we have the big one.

    Away to our nearest rivals, Spennymoor Town. MASSIVE game, in the words of any chav.

    However, my main reason for writing was to give you all a link to the match report from last Saturday - because you might remember we were playing in pink for charity, and the photos are now there for all to see!

    http://www.whitleybayfc.com/reports/report.asp?ID=26&DB=0910

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  • 223. At 12:20pm on 20 Oct 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    Incidentally, I should have said we have scored 50 goals in those 14 games. Beat that 'Top 4'. :)

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  • 224. At 12:20pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    216... Many thanks Robbo... You can't beat a good Jan Molby joke...

    CaptainLazyTown, what are you PR for JDR?? The dude is smart dont need you doing security for him... The guy comes on, makes a point, gets slated and then does a good job of holding his own (then we repeat the process next blog). He is entitled to have a dig at the Blog, and in turn people are allowed to have a dig at him... Granted this also means that you are allowed to stand up for him, which technically renders my point null and void... But you gotta love the irony of it all... I suppose my point is chill out mate.

    Oh and MDP @ 219... JDR is as much a part of this blog as the Bluebell... The guy makes good points (occasionaly) and always gets a reaction, and i do not for a moment think his is as narrow minded as he makes out, i think he is having a sly chuckle as he types his "review"...

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  • 225. At 12:21pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #219 - and how much is he paying you for this well reasoned article?

    He gets flack simply by insisting on well-resoned susbtance. This blog is about wind-ups and name-calling and the ongoing campaign to have Gary Neville restored as England's No.2 (Johnson couldn't even defend the big red ball on Saturday never mind teh white one he was supposed to be keeping his eye on.

    But yes it would be worse off as we'd lose so much great material

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  • 226. At 12:21pm on 20 Oct 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    Heres how football actually is life axcept more so; comedy and tragedy – high comedy Liverpool balloon goal like something out of benny hill, I expected a man in underpants to run on the pitch chasing a woman in bra and pants (& when he catches her she whispers “ lifes meaningless”).
    Compare – the Tragedy of guilded youth (for Eduardo read Walcott) cut down by a lumbering journeyman. Brings back bad memories, for viscerally disturbing moments, Martin Smith’s tackle on Eduardo ranks on a par with the the eat-your-own brain scene in Hannibal wot had me writhing on the floor. Are you proud, Birmingham? I read you were chanting “there’s only one Martin smith” (in that stoopid nasal whiney accent no doubt) when wlcott was hacked. Shame on you. Just because your city’s a pit don’t take it out on the world.

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  • 227. At 12:23pm on 20 Oct 2009, WordsofWisdom wrote:

    @215: Nonsense...and then some! None of the 'Top 4' spent big this summer. We were sick and tired listening to Pool fans jabbering on about how they were 'unlucky' last season and when Utd sold Ronaldo they were positively dancing in cyberspace proclaiming how Utd's 1 man team was now finished and that this was FINALLY going to be their year.

    Now, all of a sudden, it's poor Rafa didn't have enough to spend and (as usual) it's all the owners fault.

    Reality check needed!

    As for Robbo....listen to what your comrade Mark Lawrenson says. Don't bother to look at the Table until 12 or 13 games have been played and things have started to settle down a bit.

    Wise words from Lawro....much wiser than his comment during an England game a couple of years back when he observed that "England are being outnumbered numerically in midfield."

    But not completely stupid either. After all, if they were being outnumbered alphabetically then Capello would choose Sean Wright-Phillips over Joe Cole every time....wouldn't he?

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  • 228. At 12:23pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #222-223-

    I heard a rumour that the current FA Vase holders are Whitley Bay FC, is this right, and are you top and did you get promoted and are you scoring lot sof goals and is it cheap to get in cos I might actually come and watch them

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  • 229. At 12:24pm on 20 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    A great result for team and charity there Whitley :)

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  • 230. At 12:33pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Socrates, who metioned SAF... I know he is an absolute genius and arguably the nicest person on the planet... If he did blame a bad result on anything other than his teams poor performance (and i dont think he ever has), i am sure it would only be as some master stroke to deflect attention away from his players in an effort to protect them from the media... He is a gentleman, thilanthropist and scholar... He actually sent Pep a puppy and box of chocs after the barca match, just to say "hey, thanks"... Whataguy...


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  • 231. At 12:36pm on 20 Oct 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    @228

    Yes, where did you hear that?

    FA Vase holders, top of the Northern League Division 1, undefeated, 40 points and 50 goals in 14 games - and you can get an adult and a child in the ground for £8.

    Enjoy a coffee, a sausage roll, the fresh seaside air, and then visit the seafront to understand why we are the official 'Stag and Hen Party' capital of the UK.

    Then again, the scoring at Hillheads is better than any scoring on the seafront.

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  • 232. At 12:38pm on 20 Oct 2009, rjaggar wrote:

    The English lads know they get better chances to start if they're not at Champions League clubs. Yes, three or four tops can start, but you can't have 8 English lads there. Which leaves little room for 18 - 20 year olds, does it? At Villa, at Sunderland you can if you want. You could at Spurs until recently. Not anymore at Man City though.

    If English FA bigwigs had any sense, they'd get Pearce and the Youth coaches to identify the 16/17 year olds they want to get regular first team action from 18 - 21 to get the experience necessary to be excellent, but not Rooney-esque England players. Then they'd get them taken on at clubs like Villa, Sunderland, West Ham and the like. Good coaches, first team chances and several will progress to champions league clubs in their early 20s.

    The Rooneys of this world will play for the Utds of this world at aged 18. Because they're good enough.

    But glorified bum warmers on Champions League benches??

    Yer avin' a laugh mate........

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  • 233. At 12:39pm on 20 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Captainlazytim,you are quite right,I shouldn't let it bother me.I just wish jdr wouldn't grade each piece like it's Robbo's homework.I know all football fans are a bit one eyed over certain teams,players etc. and when jdr talks about football,fine.I just wish he would stop this running commentary.

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  • 234. At 12:41pm on 20 Oct 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    My two-penneth on the Top 4:

    Chelsea look decidedly inconsistent right now. I think they miss Gus. I like Carlo, but it is clear they don't seem at home with his system. They'll still finish top or second though.

    United look crap. But hey, they keep winning without the boy wonder and, well, that is what wins titles. If they get to the transfer window in first or second place I'd expect to see SAF splash some of the money he has in the bank and romp home to a fourth consequetive league win. If he doesn't spend, I think Chelsea will pip them.

    Liverpool - whats new? I told you all in July/August that anyone tipping them to win the league was mentally challenged. What is there to understand? The manager is a total twonk who will NEVER win the league with Liverpool. Get rid of him and they stand a chance.

    Arsenal, they look good. Dark horses that should have had at least a draw at Old Trafford and if Ferguson was to name his threat right now, I reckon he'd point to Wenger and say he didn't like him anymore.

    Sunderland look very good right now, certainly on the weekend performance. However, you have to put it into context - they were playing possibly the worst Liverpool side I have seen in 5 years.

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  • 235. At 12:45pm on 20 Oct 2009, Bellion-Wonderland wrote:

    Of the top 4 all have started the season better than they did the last one apart from Liverpool.

    Chelsea
    A pair of away defeats in games they've dominated is unusual but they've beaten Liverpool who took 6 points off them last season.

    Arsenal
    Clear improvement and were dessimated with injuries to their sensational trinity of RVP, Fabregas and Arshavin not to mention the impressive Walcott and Rosicky last season. The games they've lost are tough, they've won everything else as expected. No decline there.

    United.
    Despite having their keeper and centre halves out for periods they have scored many more goals that last year. The press are milking this Bolton nonsence. The game should have been over by half time. In the meantime they've beaten Spurs, City, and Arsenal. Once VDS, Brown and Rio are settled consistently they will stop leaking silly goals.

    This is a nothing story Robbo, the real difference is the next 3 teams are taking points off the bottom 12 more consistently than before.

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  • 236. At 12:51pm on 20 Oct 2009, socrates wrote:

    230. RedBlueArmy92

    I'm glad my words have made you see the considerable error in your ways.

    I didn't know about the puppy though. What a guy indeed :)

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  • 237. At 12:59pm on 20 Oct 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    # 233. At 12:39pm on 20 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton
    JDR is my favourit poster here i laugh out loud when i read the start of his posts but then i dont read the rest - cos we all know wotit will say. theres a brave wil-e-cuyote indominatable sisyphean futility about it all -you'd fail the turing test, jdr, but dont ever change.

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  • 238. At 1:04pm on 20 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    WhitleyBayWonTheVase

    Hi.

    your remark: " Sunderland is a City, not a town. "

    got me to do some reaserch to confirm. the following are notes which some viewers might find of interest.

    Officially and contrary to popular belief, there are no specific criteria which automatically grant city status in the United Kingdom, although in the past the status was awarded to towns with a diocesan cathedral.

    To most people, the word 'city' confers a large and densely populated urban area. However there are a number of UK cities which are no bigger than average towns or even villages. Most notably, St David's in Pembrokeshire, Wales is the smallest city in the United Kingdom with a population of just 2000. The city is so small that it lies entirely within a national park. Other small cities include Wells in Somerset with a population of 10000 and Ely in Cambridgeshire with a population of around 14000.

    By contrast there are several large and densely populated urban areas in the United Kingdom which are not officially designated as cities, that is which have no city charter. These fall into two groups:

    i hope this is of some help to others even though its a tad of topic.

    shine on all.

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  • 239. At 1:18pm on 20 Oct 2009, JPMcCoy wrote:

    Liverpool will struggle this year as they are worse in defense and midfield. I dont think Villa have enough right now to mount anything serious, still too many mid table players,( I am a villa fan by the way).

    Prediction

    Man U
    Chelsea
    Arsenal
    Man City

    Then spurs,lpool,Villa or Everton will be close

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  • 240. At 1:19pm on 20 Oct 2009, PagliacciVillan the armchair pundit wrote:



    The top4, have for various reasons"weakened" their teams and will take time to adjust.
    The chasing pack have improved and strengthened since last season, there will inevitably be a closing of the gap at the top, and whilst the depth and clout of the top4 based on CL Cash will win out, that may well change in the seasons to come as they loose that income.
    I think this could be one of the best Pl seasons ever!!!

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  • 241. At 1:21pm on 20 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    WhitleyBayWonTheVase

    and congrats on winning the " vase "

    the word " vase " conjours up an episode i had with a rather nice looking brunette who was madly in love with me, i spent many weeks away from her and she missed me a great deal.

    I returned home from a trip to australia and i brought her a cuddly koala toy, some chocs and flowers. she was so over the moon with what i brought her, she dashed up stairs. After a few mins I heard this cry " karl darling, karl darling come here now " I dashed up stairs to find her on the bed with no clothes on, her legs were in the wishbone position.

    I looked in amazement at her laying there, then she said " karl darling this is for the flowers "

    I raised both eyebrows before replying;

    " dont be daft lass, use a " vase "


    hehe

    Shine On.

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  • 242. At 1:23pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    238 - DG3

    Interesting point about common perception and usage but it overlooks one thing.

    City status has to be applied for and awarded by the crown in the form of letters patent and Sunderland were awarded this in 1994.

    Several towns have cathedrals such as Blackburn, Chelmsford and Guildford but are not cities as they do not have letters patent. Rochester used to but after the government messed around with the local councils they were not transferred correctly and Rochester is now no longer a city. Reading has a "city centre" but is not actually a city.

    And the worst city in the world is Man City.

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  • 243. At 1:30pm on 20 Oct 2009, ControlledMagic wrote:

    RBA - didn't SAF come out after the Sunderland game and say that United had played (or, at least, defended) poorly? I'll agree it's not often that he says similar - but other than Phil Brown who would? My point is, when he does say 'we were crap' or any number of words that amount to the same thing he gets slated for not crediting the other team's silky skills and attacking flair.

    Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

    So, back to Lady Gaga.....

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  • 244. At 1:31pm on 20 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    adampsb

    blimey is that true? Rochester lost its city status! thats not far from me I had always thought city status was granted on there being a Cathedral in situ. that is why i researched it.

    I thought ( wrongly ) that Sunderland as it has no Cathedral could not given city status.

    we live and learn as they say

    who said you could not get a good education by having a cursory inspection of Robbo's Blog's.

    I have never been to Manchester so i cant comment.

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  • 245. At 1:38pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #244

    I know you pick up all sorts of interesting information - did you know that Salford is a city meaning that teams from the best and worst city are in the top 5.

    secondly - did you know that Whitley Bay won the FA Vase (I think this information has been mentioned 2,351,976 times - maybe slightly more than someone I know mentions the 49 (shame about the 50th) game run that some dodgy London club went on

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  • 246. At 1:48pm on 20 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    adampsb

    i have to correct you there; Whitley Bay winning the FA Vase has in fact been mentioned 2,351,977 times .

    and as for the 49 games unbeaten this has been alluded to on 2,358.894 occasions this of course is to ensure its not forgotten by all hehe.

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  • 247. At 1:51pm on 20 Oct 2009, ControlledMagic wrote:

    246 - what happened to the other 0.106 of an occassion THAT may have been mentioned?

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  • 248. At 1:54pm on 20 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    " run that some dodgy London club went on "

    erm the chavs have never gone the season unbeaten. but i do agree they are more than dodgy.

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  • 249. At 1:59pm on 20 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    There was nothing wrong with that Ballooon goal. The liverpool defender hit both ball and balloon that's all..it was in FACT an O.G. ( I love writing fact like that).
    The premiership is Stronger, but United without Ronaldo are weaker and Liverpool are going to win the league according to the chief football writer. Luckily we know different. United haven't missed Ronaldo at all and Liverpool are playing like they are on a beach holiday. Lemmie see, was it some bloke called Alonso or something the chief footie writer said Liverpool wouldn't miss....

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  • 250. At 2:05pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    RE 241, Didn't 10cc have a song with the lyrics....

    "I'm not in love, so don't forget it
    It's just a silly vase I'm going through"

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  • 251. At 2:12pm on 20 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    Holloway2Holland

    correct. blimey thats going back some.

    I had it on a 45, kept playing it to this chic in the hope she got the message she smashed the thing to bits.

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  • 252. At 2:14pm on 20 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    10CC

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  • 253. At 2:16pm on 20 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    Hey whats up with McNulty, he writes a blog every two days, and now it's been a whole week? Must be out looking to interview the blow up ball.

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  • 254. At 2:24pm on 20 Oct 2009, BigKidInJapan wrote:

    What's a Top 4?
    I've heard of the 4 Tops, they're a band, my dad used to play their records.
    Was that 'Just My Imagination'.... or was that the Temptations?

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  • 255. At 2:24pm on 20 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    253. At 2:16pm on 20 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    Hey whats up with McNulty, he writes a blog every two days, and now it's been a whole week? Must be out looking to interview the blow up ball.

    --------------------------------

    And there I was thinking I was the only one who noticed.

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  • 256. At 2:31pm on 20 Oct 2009, Zidanepirouette wrote:

    I'd like to remind Robbo - and others - that Liverpool did pretty damn well last season when they were without Gerrard and Torres. They are 2 world class players so yes we miss them when they're not playing but any other team would as well!

    The fact that Liverpool were rubbish against Sunderland was not to do with the fact that these 2 players were missing, it was simply cos we didn't play well. It happens. Our cause wasn't helped by the fact that Kuyt and Babel hasd both just flown back from Australia(!) and 3 others came back from playing in South America.

    Liverpool are having a dip in form, but we'll come out of it, and we'll be stronger for it. Agger and Aquilani are returning from injury now and they'll make a difference. It makes me laugh to see people predicting Liverpool will finish outside the top 4, we came close last season and we have pretty much the same squad, with Johnson for Arbeloa and Aquilani for Alonso. I'm happy with that exchange, absolutely.

    Don't dismiss McNulty's predictions just yet...

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  • 257. At 2:34pm on 20 Oct 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    Lady Gaga : Doctor doctor, I took some steroids, but they had a terrible side effect. I've grown a penis"
    Doctor: "Anabolic?"
    Gaga : "No, just a penis"

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  • 258. At 2:40pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Robbo: "Apparently it should have been ruled out. Well, that's news. We've had a late winner nosed in by a border collie, a goal conceded 'cos the keeper's missus dashed on the field of play to thwack him with a unfamiliar F-Cup bra she'd found under the passenger seat."

    Dear Robbo and the Moderators (sounds like a 60's 4 piece band), I had a post removed at #73 that discussed the nuisance factor of Border Collies versus the destructive Staffordshire Bull Terriers who were likely to shred the ball. The post was removed for being "off topic". I humbly suggest that if the post was off topic, so was the blog! A reinstatement of the post, a public apology and a 7 figure sum in a Swiss bank account would be appreciated.

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  • 259. At 2:42pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Y2J love your oprimism... i think Lord Cardigan must have been a 'pool fan....

    Blogdignag... veri funi mayte!

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  • 260. At 2:45pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    You can get modded for being "off topic" 90-95% of my posts are topic and i have never had this before... Trotts mate, something is rotten here!

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  • 261. At 2:47pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    RBA, it's a conspiracy! Hold on, I'd best write something on topic...the big four are, erm, big!

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  • 262. At 2:49pm on 20 Oct 2009, JPMcCoy wrote:

    Y2J -

    Your happy with Aquilani for Alonso, strange seeing as you havent seen him play or how he will fit in.

    Your glass is certainly half full......not sure what your drinking though!!

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  • 263. At 2:52pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    I had a Jack Russel that was amazing at football and was an absolute nightmare at matches when i was a nipper... But she was like grease lightning and you could not get the ball off of her... I think with a bit more training she'd could have turned pro... Well, given the standards of Womens football she wouldn't really have needed the training?

    (Ok Trotts, lets see if my dog story gets Modded, we'll get to the bottom of this)

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  • 264. At 2:56pm on 20 Oct 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    i dont read robbo's bit, just the posts, so if im ever ON topic it will be purely by chance

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  • 265. At 2:59pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    The thing with Jack Russell's is that they can fully participate in the game but their mouths aren't big enough to pick up or pop the ball. Border Collie's just want to herd the ball so they're alright too as long as they know which way you're playing. Staffs though would pick it up, pop it and waddle off with a snarl, violently shaking the ball like it was next door's cat. A bit like Rooney really. Torres is a bit of a Border Collie, Stephen Hunt would be a good Jack Russell.

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  • 266. At 3:04pm on 20 Oct 2009, thinkstuff wrote:

    Tough games for the top 4 so far, but we're still only 9 games into the season. The cream has a way of rising to the top. My suspicion is that a lot of football fans would be happy to see an end to the big four, but at this stage of the season it could still be just wishful thinking.

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  • 267. At 3:04pm on 20 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    #261

    Don't forget to mention there's four of them Trotter :)

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  • 268. At 3:06pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    256. At 2:31pm on 20 Oct 2009, Y2J wrote:

    "Our cause wasn't helped by the fact that Kuyt and Babel hasd both just flown back from Australia(!)"

    Not sure if that's completly true, due to the fact that that game had been played a full week before the Sunderland game.

    Also many L'pool fans are hailing the Aquilani return, or come back, as some posters have called it, personaly I can't see how you can come back into somewhere you've never been,i.e. the L'pool team, but maybe that's just me. Anyway my point is why do most of you guys believe that an unproven, untried, (in the PL) player, who was to be honest not exactly a world beater in a far slower league, be able to come in and magicaly transform your season?

    Trotter call your lawyers mate, hardly any of us are ever on topic.

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  • 269. At 3:07pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Just to get back to the city debate. Not the overpriced football team, but the load of people living in the same place one.

    There is a city in Northern Ireland called Lisburn, it was granted city status a couple of years back.

    Up until a month ago this place did not have a hotel. How can you be a city without a hotel? Even Kabul has hotels!

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  • 270. At 3:12pm on 20 Oct 2009, OneLeagueTitlePlease wrote:

    "It's funny how the word 'glory-hunters' is always used for Manchester United fans."

    In fairness, I'm not saying all united fans are, I just seem to recall that the man in question is Irish. Correct me if wrong.

    "Why don't you rush out and put a tenner on City to win the premiership for the next ten years on the trot then? Put your money where your mouth is. You'll find Manchester United's success isn't all down to money (you'll also find that we don't spend 30 million on every position!)."

    I exaggerated for effect. Although, two strikers, a centre half, three centre mids and a winger all cost you a hefty price. As for the city for ten years nonsense, I'm not saying money gets you the title every year, but let's be honest, there's no chance that you'll finish outside the top 4, probably not outside the top 2.
    p.s What's to say that city won't begin to dominate the league?

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  • 271. At 3:14pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Jesus Gaz... Even Aldershot has Hotels (granted most of the rooms charge by the hour, but stil, its a bed for the night if you need it!)...

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  • 272. At 3:15pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    At 3:12pm on 20 Oct 2009, OneLeagueTitlePlease wrote:
    "It's funny how the word 'glory-hunters' is always used for Manchester United fans."

    In fairness, I'm not saying all united fans are, I just seem to recall that the man in question is Irish. Correct me if wrong.


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    No you are not wrong. But what is the problem with that?

    All those Norwegians in Anfield, I suppose they shouldn't be allowed in then? What about all the Liverpool fans from Ireland, are they in the wrong too?

    The most ridiculous case of a Liverpool fan using the 'glory hunter' argument that I ever heard was from a guy I used to work with who supported the Scouse.

    He said I was a joke for supporting United because I didn't come from Manchester.

    He was Egyptian.

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  • 273. At 3:27pm on 20 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Did you know that you can be a cathedral town and call yourself a city?
    I've listed them below
    England and Wales
    In relation to the fact that being the seat of a Church of England diocese is no longer sufficient or necessary to gain city status, a number of cathedral towns exist. Towns with cathedrals may nevertheless be referred to as "cities" by their inhabitants—particularly in the case of St Asaph and Rochester.
    Place Cathedral Diocese established Population (Est)
    Blackburn Blackburn Cathedral 1926 105,085
    Brecon Brecon Cathedral 1923 7,901
    Bury St Edmunds St Edmundsbury Cathedral1914 35,015
    Chelmsford Chelmsford Cathedral 1914 164,500
    Guildford Guildford Cathedral 1927 100,383
    Rochester Rochester Cathedral historic;
    previously a city (see above) 27,000
    Southwark Southwark Cathedral 1905 274,400
    Southwell Southwell Minster 1884 6,900
    St Asaph St Asaph Cathedral historic 3,491

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  • 274. At 3:27pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    p.s What's to say that city won't begin to dominate the league?

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    Common sense and natural justice.

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  • 275. At 3:28pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    I agree with Gaz, now as an Aldershot fan i see this all the time... I in reality live about a 10 minute walk from the Rec, but some of ourfans travel over 40 minutes to get to a match...

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  • 276. At 3:29pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    He said I was a joke for supporting United because I didn't come from Manchester.

    He was Egyptian.

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    But I bet he was born a 2 minute bike ride from Anfield (or conceived during a 2 minute bike ride at Anfield)

    #273 - well cut and pasted from Wikipedia

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  • 277. At 3:31pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    273: Guildford should be a City, not because it has a cathedral, but because part of the Omen was filmed at that cathedral!

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  • 278. At 3:33pm on 20 Oct 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    Gaz - stick by your guns, mate. If you ever reappear as GazCity or GazAcademicals (sounds like a palastinian chemical company)i'd be disappointed. i don't understand what business it is of anyones who anyone supports, though i'd draw the line at birmingham city.
    what i really wanted to say was i've actually stayed in a hotel in lisburn, so they must have quickly built a couple. in fact theres 2 - i asked someone which one was the better and he said "whichever one you choose you'll wish you'd chosen the other" and he was not wrong

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  • 279. At 3:34pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    At 3:28pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    "I in reality live about a 10 minute walk from the Rec"


    Don't most people in Aldershot choose not to live in reality though? And spend their time in a drug induced existence where Aldershot is in fact the cultural capital of the world and the streets are paved with gold?



    " but some of ourfans travel over 40 minutes to get to a match.."


    Are these the ones who are currently on the NHS free shoes waiting list?

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  • 280. At 3:34pm on 20 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    i have just scanned the gossip page.

    it seems all man u surporters are to be searched prior to kick off to see wether they are hiding any ballons up their Tshirts.

    is this not taking things to the xtreem bearing in mind the possibity that this operation could in fact mean that there will be at least 10 hours of xtra time added.

    and we all know what that will mean.

    and continuing with the educaional value theme:

    and i am well miffed to have learnt that Rochester in Kent has lost its city status. its a very quaint town and was the birthplace of Charles Dickens. The Catherdal boasts a wonderfull organ as well, but not as good as Ely's. Canterburys organ is rather a dissapointment close up, being only two manuals ( ely's has four ) but the acoustics are good.

    Ely's organ is superb its a real behmoth! and by the way heavy metal was invented by Charles-marie-Widor god that dude can play.

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  • 281. At 3:35pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Speaking of Border Collies, Blackburn isn't a City, it's a Rover! Woof woof. I know, I know, I'm barking up the wrong tree and about to be off topically modded?

    Maybe he supported LFC because they were running a pyramid scheme.

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  • 282. At 3:36pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    blogdignag I challenge you to a duel sir!

    Starting pistols at dawn.

    Name a hotel in Lisburn (not Lisbon) that existed during the period 2000-2008, during which they were made a city!

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  • 283. At 3:41pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    and i am well miffed to have learnt that Rochester in Kent has lost its city status. its a very quaint town and was the birthplace of Charles Dickens.

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    Did not know that - very interesting indeed.

    The Catherdal boasts a wonderfull organ as well, but not as good as Ely's.

    If you think theirs are good you should see the one the Mormons have in Salt Lake City. Absolutely magnificent and they have set the acoustics specifically for the organ and accompanying choir.

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  • 284. At 3:42pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Gaz those in a drug addled state prefer to fly to matches... And the ones who take 40 minutes usually have a 35 minutes drive to the stadium (but you have to include 2 minutes to steal a car and 3 minutes to shoot up)...

    In Ireland and Aldershot alot of people do things for the "crack"... but i believe we have different interpretations...

    (and free NHS shoes! sign me up, i'm the only one paying NI!)

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  • 285. At 3:42pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    DG3, Why would anyone want a "close up" of somebody elses organ?

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  • 286. At 3:48pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    H2H it depends where the organ in question is being installed.


    RBA - Ireland has the "craic" and the "crack". Both of them give you a feeling of high followed by a period where you are emotionally and physically wrecked.

    Usually because the "craic" can only be obtained by drinking 14 pints of Guinness followed by a bottle of whiskey.

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  • 287. At 3:57pm on 20 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Re 286
    I suppose that depends to whom the organ belongs. Adam have you seen the organ in Koln Cathedral? That too is magnificent. I've also sung with a choir their and that was some experience. One of the songs was "We are the Champions".

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  • 288. At 3:57pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Cheers Gaz... see it is these cultural exchanges that make the Robbo blog such a good place to be.

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  • 289. At 3:58pm on 20 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Sorry about the grammar, should have been there

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  • 290. At 3:58pm on 20 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    adampsb

    I see. sounds interesting, and how many manuals does it boast do u know. i think the largest Pipe Organ in the Us of A is in Atlantia Georgia.

    Holloway2Holland

    to answer your ? i was very lucky to have played the Pipe Organ in Canterbury Cathedral so i got to see it close up, i was a tad dissapointed but then the accoustics within the walls are very nifty.

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  • 291. At 4:00pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    As opposed to McNulty's RBA where the cu*tural exchanges just annoy everyone.

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  • 292. At 4:02pm on 20 Oct 2009, GrandSpiderSlug wrote:

    adampsb. Rochester quaint? When did you spend an evening there last? Quaint!!! You are being sarcastic. Please tell me you are being sarcastic. Charles Dickens may have been born there but even he had the sense to move out of the place as soon as he could! Quaint!! that is priceless.

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  • 293. At 4:04pm on 20 Oct 2009, GrandSpiderSlug wrote:

    By the way, in my very humble opinion, although not the largest by some way, the sound at Wells cathedral is second to none!

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  • 294. At 4:07pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Who says this blog is not in touch with the common man.

    I'm sure they are never done talking in the Bluebell about the merits of cathedrals and pipe organs.

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  • 295. At 4:09pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #287 - DG3 No I haven't been to Koln. The Johanniskirche organ that Bach used to play is a nice one though.

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  • 296. At 4:10pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Gaz wrote,

    RBA - Ireland has the "craic" and the "crack". Both of them give you a feeling of high followed by a period where you are emotionally and physically wrecked.

    Usually because the "craic" can only be obtained by drinking 14 pints of Guinness followed by a bottle of whiskey.

    Gents, over here `we have the red light district variety of the above mentioned words. In fact a night spent mixing all 3 of these "pleasures" would be quite a party & definetly not a night wasted.................................

    On the other hand.............

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  • 297. At 4:11pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #292

    I never said Rochester was quaint (although it may have been when I went there in about 1983 and looked around the castle and cathedral) that was DG3

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  • 298. At 4:13pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    I'm a bit shocked that nobody has yet mentioned that Liverpool has two cathedrals! Perhaps they're all on New Brighton Beach today, Southport perhaps?

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  • 299. At 4:15pm on 20 Oct 2009, GrandSpiderSlug wrote:

    Adampsb. I can only apologise and ask for your forgiveness.

    DG3. Rochester quaint? When did you spend an evening there last? Quaint!!! You are being sarcastic. Please tell me you are being sarcastic. Charles Dickens may have been born there but even he had the sense to move out of the place as soon as he could! Quaint!! that is priceless.

    Thats better.

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  • 300. At 4:15pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Trotter, all the scouse seem to have dissapeared since I posed the Aqualini question.

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  • 301. At 4:16pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    We were waiting for TommyOnion to mention it but since the Beach Ball/ Jan Molby incident he has been missing since post 3 - not even responding to the Gary Neville for England campaign

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  • 302. At 4:17pm on 20 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    Robbo

    Again I see you have elected to try and dismiss my points both in relation to the blog substance and style.

    You maintain my opinion is valueless and repititve but the reason for the latter rests with your good self. The points I make, I feel, are legitimate whether or not people neccessarily agree or dislike them. There are a few simple steps that you can take to improve the blog which I have outlined before. This does not mean having to abandon your character or style of writing (although variety now and again would be most welcome). Your overreliance on the same villains, same top 4 jibes and same styled gags would not wear so thin if done so at a more infrequent basis. Id imagine you could benefit from the less restrictive time constraints.

    Secondly you have a habit of ignoring any football points that I make in relation to your blog which you attempt to lump in with my analysis of the blog itself and refuse to distinguish between the two. If you dont want to reply to my points then by all means ignore them but its unjustified and unprofessional to try and pretend they are repetitive. For instance in response to your blogs title I have made several points as to why this may not be the case. A combination of the big teams not getting the rub of luck, playing slightly below themselves, missing key players and coming back from an international break. Not to mention that its early in the season and next to impossible to predict what will unfold when viewing one weekend of fixtures in isolation. Couple this with the fact I didnt think Tottenham were hugely impressive against the bottom placed team, Man City could only draw at Wigan and Villas win over Chelsea was somewhat fortuitous (although by no means unearned) and I think you have a fairly balanced counter argument to your blog title. This isnt something that I have mentioned in previous blogs so I fail to see where the repetition is.

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  • 303. At 4:19pm on 20 Oct 2009, GrandSpiderSlug wrote:

    By the way did you know that there are 2 cathedrals in Liverpool. One of them contains 10,000 beach balls. The other one doesn't.

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  • 304. At 4:21pm on 20 Oct 2009, GrandSpiderSlug wrote:

    Either I am in the wrong place, or some people have started to talk about soccer or some such thing!

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  • 305. At 4:22pm on 20 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    " The Johanniskirche organ that Bach used to play is a nice one though. "

    are now then, thats the one he used to compose the Toccatta and Fugue in D Minor though there is considerable debate as to wether it was actually wriiten by Pachebel.

    prolific composer though.

    It is said he was much in love with his music that he actually walked 200 miles to a gig to listen to Buxteheude play ( thats prob spelt incorrectly )

    I like the Tocatta and Fugue in D Minor very much it depicts a scene of a somewhat chaotic household, with JS bach having a real a ding dong with his wife. alas it is not known what actually inspired him to write such a piece.

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  • 306. At 4:26pm on 20 Oct 2009, GrandSpiderSlug wrote:

    davidgilmourthe3rd. Did someone show you to copy and paste? Pathetic!

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  • 307. At 4:26pm on 20 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    292. At 4:02pm on 20 Oct 2009, GrandSpiderSlug wrote:

    adampsb. Rochester quaint? When did you spend an evening there last? Quaint!!! You are being sarcastic. Please tell me you are being sarcastic. Charles Dickens may have been born there but even he had the sense to move out of the place as soon as he could! Quaint!! that is priceless.

    -----------------------------------------

    Still beats the rest of Medway. look up the word ****-hole in the OED and there'll be a picture of chatham next to it ;)

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  • 308. At 4:29pm on 20 Oct 2009, DoverAthleticLad wrote:

    222. At 12:19pm on 20 Oct 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    Then, this coming weekend, we have the big one.

    Away to our nearest rivals, Spennymoor Town. MASSIVE game, in the words of any chav.
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    It's the FA Cup 4th qualifying round this weekend - are you out? Were you giant killed ?


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  • 309. At 4:30pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    I used to find cathedrals were a good place to go for a nap.

    Now I just come here and read JDR's posts to put me into a deep sleep.

    Some day I might wake up and find it was all a dream, but I doubt it.

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  • 310. At 4:30pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    JDR just reminded me of something that not many have touched upon, are Wigan the new big boys bogey team?
    They beat AV at Villa Park and Chelsea at home, also managing to make City look pretty average in their drawn game.

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  • 311. At 4:32pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    dracula

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  • 312. At 4:32pm on 20 Oct 2009, GrandSpiderSlug wrote:

    Starfire_995. I couldn't agree more. Still, Strood is nice! HA! OMG. I thought I had died and gone to hell!

    So chaps, I would like your predictions for the top four, in order, at the end of the season please! Here is mine.

    Man Utd
    Arsenal
    Chelsea
    Man City

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  • 313. At 4:32pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    that was in answer to 311 - Toccata & Fugue inspiration was Dracula

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  • 314. At 4:35pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    @ 308, Whitley told us in a previous blog that they were out of the F.A cup.

    But incase you wasn't aware they did win the Vase.

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  • 315. At 4:36pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    312:

    Dag & Red
    Bournmouth
    Aldershot
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    Notts County

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  • 316. At 4:37pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #312 GSS

    Predictions

    Man Utd
    Arsenal
    Man City
    Tottenham Hotspur

    I think th African Nations Cup will derail Chelsea especially as Drogba & Essien will get kicked all over as the other countries try to keep them out of the World Cup.

    I reckon it's upper mid-table for the Scousers if Sunderland can cope without Cattermole as Villa, Fulham and Stoke are looking pretty good at the moment.

    Maybe Bolton will suddenly climb up the table to 8th

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  • 317. At 4:38pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    RBA - be real - Daggers will choke right at the death - Will be Bournemouth, Rotherham, Rochdale and either Aldershot or Notts County

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  • 318. At 4:40pm on 20 Oct 2009, livingmercerway wrote:

    Why was anybody surprised when Ferguson turned on Wiley when things didn't go United's way? In truth, Wiley himself should have come under scrutiny for his laughing and joking with Ferguson as if he was his old mate in the 97th minute of the derby less than a fortnight earlier. I tell you, this stand-off with the FA is just a red herring. Things were back to normal on Sunday when Wiley sent off Zabaleta (thus turning the game - he had merely given a final warning to Melchiot minutes earlier) and then denied SWP a clear penalty. Bring on video evidence!
    PS Have any of the Arsenal fans who went bersek after Adebayor's goal been prosecuted and banned from the Emirates? Funny that, isn't it? There's plenty of footage. Oh, and Robin VP seems to celebrate the same way now. Is it a tribute?

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  • 319. At 4:41pm on 20 Oct 2009, GrandSpiderSlug wrote:

    Adampsb #313. I thought everyone new that! Good old Dracula hey.

    #316. Some good points there but I think Chelsea will ride the storm a little better than some might think!

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  • 320. At 4:41pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    You reckon... i have seen it before from the daggers, mind... But they look solid at present...

    Thanks still including us though... as if anyone out of that group is a punt, its us...

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  • 321. At 4:43pm on 20 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Oh and Adam, that is some very wishful thinking regarding Chelsea... But i could be wrong...

    for le prem...

    Chelzki
    Manu
    Arsenal
    ManC

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  • 322. At 4:43pm on 20 Oct 2009, OneLeagueTitlePlease wrote:

    p.s What's to say that city won't begin to dominate the league?

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    Common sense and natural justice.

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    Time shall tell...

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  • 323. At 4:46pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #321 - Not if they keep losing away games to set pieces they won't

    #322 - Time has been telling since 1968 when the bluenoses stopped us winning the league and european cup double.

    never again shall such injustice be allowed. (especially as they have such a Sheikhy defence)

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  • 324. At 4:50pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    For me it's way too early to call the Prem, although it is between United, Le Arse and Chelsea.

    What isn't too early to call (in fact I called it before the season even started) is that Liverpool won't be in the Top 4 come May and Benitez won't be in Liverpool.

    The second point is way more upsetting for me than the first.

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  • 325. At 4:50pm on 20 Oct 2009, The Kuz wrote:

    I'm surprised the BBC still allows you to write for them. Your articles are not funny, they no wit and they not clever. Your articles are always poorly wrote.

    What is the point to them? Does anyone get anything from your articles... no?

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  • 326. At 4:50pm on 20 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    322. At 4:43pm on 20 Oct 2009, OneLeagueTitlePlease wrote:
    p.s What's to say that city won't begin to dominate the league?
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    I think they will have their work cut out keeping their squad happy. Already rumblings from Petrov and then you have to accomodate a strikeforce which includes Robinho, Adebayor, Tevez, Bellamy, Santa Cruz not to mention the attacking minded Ireland.

    Aside from perhaps Santa Cruz none of the above have a great track record for putting harmony first when not getting things their own way or having to sit on the bench for extended periods. The risk is that the team will sufer from trying to accomadate too many egos and will fail to find a natural balance.

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  • 327. At 4:51pm on 20 Oct 2009, DoverAthleticLad wrote:

    314. At 4:35pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    @ 308, Whitley told us in a previous blog that they were out of the F.A cup.

    But incase you wasn't aware they did win the Vase.
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    Just taking the p*ss slightly, because we're still in it.

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  • 328. At 4:53pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    " Your articles are always poorly wrote."


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    I laughed.

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  • 329. At 4:55pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    @327 DoverAthleticLad, O.K. mate, good luck to you then.

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  • 330. At 4:56pm on 20 Oct 2009, GrandSpiderSlug wrote:

    Did anyone here realise that bookies have slashed the odds on gerrard not being at liverpool next season fro 40/1 to 6's?

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  • 331. At 5:00pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    I agree with Gaz that it's way to early to call, although before the season started I tiped 2 London & 2 Manc' teams to make up nthe top 4 (Don't know in which order.)

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  • 332. At 5:06pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    No really - £10 that he joins either United or City (needs to be near his favourite clubs so he can hit the DJ when he doesn't like the music)

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  • 333. At 5:06pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #331 - or which 2 london clubs - Spurs and a late surge from Fulham?!

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  • 334. At 5:07pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    The year is 2029, the top of the Prem looks like this...

    Bolton
    Aldershot
    Whitley Bay
    Man United

    JDR is still whinging after Robbo wrote a piece about the big 3, Kenny Dalglish has just retired from his role as LFC manager after winning the Champs league for 19 consecutive seasons. Rafa has been knighted for his work on guiding Whitley Bay to a European birth. Aldershot has been named cultural capital of Europe. Work on Bolton's new Cathedral is about to be completed, Priminister Zootmac cut the ribbon and Archbishop Meggo has taken up residence.

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  • 335. At 5:11pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    333 Goons & Chelsk, Fulham's got as much chance as Q.P.R. Although 'Arry's has got the Spuds om the boil.

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  • 336. At 5:13pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    And Trotter has come out of his CIA controlled mind control experiment LSD/ Vicodin induced hallucination and realised he has just seen the bottom 3 of the Screwfix Direct league and Man Utd are still champions

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  • 337. At 5:15pm on 20 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    Arsenal
    Man City
    Liverpool
    Spurs
    Man U
    Chelsea ( could be much lower depends on the jan transfer window as to
    what new manager they get )

    Up the Gunners.

    Shine ON.

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  • 338. At 5:15pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Adam, I was just going to put you down for the biggest lottery win in history but you've blown it now!

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  • 339. At 5:17pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    H2H may be a hint of a wind-up there but I wouldn't bet against them getting into Europe again this season.

    I reckon teh bottom 3 will be as is though Wolves & Birmingham could get sucked in if West Ham start to find their feet. The only way Hull will stay up is if they sack Brown, get Keane, spend some money and Jimmy Bullard works a minor miracle. although what if they got Barmby/ Windass as joint managers like another Clough/ Taylor partnership. Could work as they are both local boys

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  • 340. At 5:19pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    DG3 - you are seriously deluded if you think Utd are going to drop to 5th especially given how poor Liverpool are. They will be 9 points adrift Monday morning - Utd will be 5 clear of Chelsea and the table will stay that way til May (LFC for 8th)

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  • 341. At 5:22pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Adam, I think West Ham will be O.K. they should start winning soon, although not this Sunday I hope.

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  • 342. At 5:24pm on 20 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Especially this Sunday - bear in mind they were the 1st team to win at the Emirates if I remember correctly (apart from Arsenal that is)

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  • 343. At 5:27pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    That's true, but were away this week, so should be ok.

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  • 344. At 5:27pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Two horse race for me, Man U and Arsenal, with Bolton a close 16th.

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  • 345. At 5:37pm on 20 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    its not too bad a prediction particuly if wedge is involved.

    to be honest like many on here I agree, its actually to close to call as it is far to early.

    I believe liverpool will recover.

    and the reason I put Arsenal top is of course because i am hoping they win as i surport them.

    My continuos lil pop at the chavs should be viewed as light hearted .

    But let us all hope for the sake of the game the winners will have won because they deserved to win and not as a result of dodgy officials or other outside forces including ballons.

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  • 346. At 5:39pm on 20 Oct 2009, OneLeagueTitlePlease wrote:

    Arsenal will fall away like always. Although I hope they don't, if and when we don't win it, I'd sooner see them win it than Utd or Chelsea.

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  • 347. At 5:40pm on 20 Oct 2009, socrates wrote:

    318. livingmercerway

    Video evidence doesn't always produce results. Bellamy punched a fan and didn't get punished at all, Cantona's attack got him a one year ban.

    Worth pointing out, since I detect a certain 'top four favoritism' slant to your comment.

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  • 348. At 5:49pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    #334 - Trotter - Hilarious! Funniest post in ages!

    Where is the Prime Minister though?

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  • 349. At 5:51pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Gaz, I think he's overseeing the hotel massage facilities in South Africa.

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  • 350. At 5:53pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Didn't video evidence of Rio in a shipping mall when he should have been doing number 1's in a little cup get him an 8 month ban.

    While a player at a then moneyless team actually peed into the cup, the cup turned positively green, and he got off with a slap on the wrist.

    Bias indeed.

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  • 351. At 5:54pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    What Rio was doing in a shipping mall I don't know. Maybe buying a yacht. Or trying to find out why this website seemingly changes my perfectly ok when typing words.

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  • 352. At 5:58pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    "What Rio was doing in a shipping mall........"

    Well he was.................... Forget it, I'd get modded for sure.

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  • 353. At 6:02pm on 20 Oct 2009, BeyondThePale wrote:

    Can't say I'm looking forward to the game tonight.

    Was at the Sunderland game and have to say, that was probably the worst I've seen a Liverpool side play in over a decade.

    Funnily enough, never saw the beach ball at the game and was wondering at the time why Reina was going ape with the ref; to be fair (and Rafa realises this, hence the contriteness post-match) we were plain awful and Rafa could do worse than sign the beachball (although I heard that Fergie's already banged in a £20m offer purely on the basis that it can spend more time on the pitch than Owen).

    Don't know what it is; it's certainly not the Alonso factor - last season was his best since he joined and we were never that abysmal in the four seasons inbetween - perhaps it's just the shock factor of not having our three best players from last season on the pitch, which is fair enough, especially with a surging Sunderland side to contend with (although we were that bad that they couldn't score a real goal).

    I really hope we get through this dip quickly, as the club cannot afford to have its fans questioning the manager.

    Some people forget that bad times have to be gone through as well as good - Man Utd are where they are today because those in the know didn't wobble when Ferguson was having a torrid time in the league.

    Liverpool fans would do well to remember that.

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  • 354. At 6:05pm on 20 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    302. At 4:17pm on 20 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:
    Robbo

    Again I see you have elected to try and dismiss my points both in relation to the blog substance and style.

    You maintain my opinion is valueless and repititve but the reason for the latter rests with your good self. The points I make, I feel, are legitimate whether or not people neccessarily agree or dislike them. There are a few simple steps that you can take to improve the blog which I have outlined before. This does not mean having to abandon your character or style of writing (although variety now and again would be most welcome). Your overreliance on the same villains, same top 4 jibes and same styled gags would not wear so thin if done so at a more infrequent basis. Id imagine you could benefit from the less restrictive time constraints.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Joe, I do kind of admire your terrier-like qualities but as you've seen over the past few months I have ignored your advice... Strange thing is that when I sit down to tap out a blog your critiques aren't in the forefront of my mind. You're right though - I never really get to the point where you talk about the footy cos I stop as soon as I read the bit where you slag off the blog. Put that bit at the end and I'll read your footy opinions first and respond. Carrot and stick for Robbo, eh?

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  • 355. At 6:15pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Again, Robbo, you're yapping about terriers while post 73 remains in the modded file. It's a canine shame.

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  • 356. At 6:20pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    BTP, as a Liverpool fan with his finger on the Anfield pulse, do you think Rafa might get the boot this season?

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  • 357. At 6:27pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Trotter, I didn't see your modded post, but did youn bad mouth these guys?


    http://www.terriersfc.org/

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  • 358. At 6:35pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Directly from the above website...

    "including 'gay-friendly' footballers"


    How does this work then? What if you like Stephen Fry but think that Pete Burns should be locked up for all eternity?

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  • 359. At 6:46pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    The names of the teams in the league are pretty funny too.

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  • 360. At 6:46pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    H2H, no, didn't bad mouth anyone, as if! Did the Yorkshire Terriers get picked off by the falcons?

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  • 361. At 6:48pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Why Some Men Have Dogs And Not Wives:
    The later you are, the more excited your dogs are to see you.
    Dogs don't notice if you call them by another dog's name.
    Dogs like it if you leave a lot of things on the floor.
    A dog's parents never visit.
    Dogs agree that you have to raise your voice to get your point across
    You never have to wait for a dog; they're ready to go 24 hours a day.
    Dogs find you amusing when you're drunk.
    Dogs like to go hunting and fishing.
    A dog will not wake you up at night to ask, "If I died, would you get another dog?"
    If a dog has babies, you can put an ad in the paper and give them away.
    A dog will let you put a studded collar on it without calling you a pervert.
    If a dog smells another dog on you, they don't get mad. They just think it's interesting.
    Dogs like to ride in the back of a pickup truck. And last, but not least:
    If a dog leaves, it won't take half of your stuff.

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  • 362. At 6:52pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    I heard they got a butt kickin' although the sound quality of that report could of been better.

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  • 363. At 6:53pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    and that's why Robbo's assessment of Valencia's goal celebration is easily understood!

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  • 364. At 7:05pm on 20 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    can someone tell me where exactly is Alkmarr i cant it anywhere in the A to Z and whats it capitol city.

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  • 365. At 7:15pm on 20 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    its ok I got it. Its in Holland

    capitol city Amsterdam.

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  • 366. At 7:26pm on 20 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    This is for you DG3

    Alkmaar is just north of Amsterdam.

    And for everyone else something you might of missed in the news this week, AZ's main sponser, also the name of the stadium, DSB (Dirk Scheringa Bank) went bankrupt yesterday. There could be repercussions for the club, though I'm not sure about that.

    Lets hope tney don't go for broke tonight.

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  • 367. At 7:44pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Allez Lyon!!

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  • 368. At 7:46pm on 20 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    Speaking of Lyon, that means Houllier's back at Anfield ... what would the Kop give to have him back and deliver another treble?

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  • 369. At 7:48pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    What is it with Liverpool players and their groins? Now Johnson's pulled out of tonight's match just before K.O. They should take up pilates and do some stretching over beach balls.

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  • 370. At 7:49pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Must resist urge to make Liverpool groin based jokes

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  • 371. At 7:51pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Nevermind all that, it's been almost 2 hours and Joe is still formulating his response to Robbo's response. It should be good. I can't wait. I am actually a little excited. I have a sad life.

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  • 372. At 7:54pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Gaz, Joe had his reply written last June, I reckon he's just waiting until post 666 comes up.

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  • 373. At 7:55pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    How in the name of all that is good and holy did he miss that!

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  • 374. At 7:59pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    he must be berbatov's cousin!

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  • 375. At 8:07pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    There are no balloons on the Anfield pitch.

    There is a large red gas-bag in a suit on the touchline though.

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  • 376. At 8:07pm on 20 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    I still don't know what Man U have done to Berba ... he was fantastic at Spurs ... not that we care anymore, not with 30 mill and Modric ;)

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  • 377. At 8:11pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Saint Steven has gone off. He pongs a bit.

    Berba is playing great at United this season. I don't know why he gets so much stick. He does look nonchalant but his flicks and positional play are magnificent. He basically does what Eric did for years but gets pilloried for it.

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  • 378. At 8:14pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    S995 He's probably a bit nervous, playing for the best supported club side in the world with such high expectations to deliver the silverware is not always an immediately succesful transition. It'd be like going from Robbo's blog to the front page of the Times overnight! Only chaps like Zoot can do that. There's a few that find the limelight of the Reebok a bit much to contend with so lord only knows what OT must be like.

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  • 379. At 8:17pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Gaz, I think he's a good 'un and all but he tends to miss perhaps a bit more than he should! Just a confidence thing.

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  • 380. At 8:18pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    I much prefer Robbo's blog to the Times.

    A Lyon player just headbutted Kuyt's knee. Mark Lawrenson is not showing much sympathy.

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  • 381. At 8:19pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Trotter when Jaaskelinawhatsit makes saves against him like the weekend it kinda makes you wonder what the karma fairies have against him though.

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  • 382. At 8:25pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    I abandoned the match in favour of the much more exciting Playstation. Turned on the live text where it says Mascherano needs to get more involved. I didn't even know he was playing.

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  • 383. At 8:29pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    That's exactly it, the karma fairies and their intangibles....Jussi's been a great servant with moments of rare brilliance like that but he too has the odd brain f**t.

    I'm not watching either, still at the office but I'm imagining 8 games in my head and Debreccen is the pick of the litter!

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  • 384. At 8:41pm on 20 Oct 2009, BeyondThePale wrote:

    I don't even see the point of this blog anymore.

    Once it's been usurped by a couple of clowns, as it has been for past couple of months or so, without any comeback from the OP, surely that deems it finished?

    Especially considering it's being run on taxpayers' money?

    Or are the British paying a licence fee to provide a 'comedy' haven for the Southern Irish, now?

    Isn't Dara U'nFunny not enough?

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  • 385. At 8:45pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Shouldn't you be in a good mood?

    You are 1-0 up at half time against a side who are clearly better than you.

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  • 386. At 9:00pm on 20 Oct 2009, BeyondThePale wrote:

    Nice to see you're following the Liverpool game, as well as spouting the usual on your blog.

    How do you fit it all in?

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  • 387. At 9:02pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Hey I'm not the Pool fan who is on here when there is a game on.

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  • 388. At 9:09pm on 20 Oct 2009, BeyondThePale wrote:

    What, I can't watch and type?

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  • 389. At 9:16pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    On the rare occassions I do watch Liverpool I have to do something else at the same time to relieve the boredom.

    You must find the same thing

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  • 390. At 9:17pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Somehow I don't think your mood has just improved!

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  • 391. At 9:24pm on 20 Oct 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    @DoverAthleticLad

    Yes, you may still be in the FA Cup (Quali's), but you are also a good few leagues above the mighty Bay (and we have a big shiny trophy and you don't. lol).

    Aren't you getting hammered at home by Basingstoke FC tonight? I could swear you are...lol

    Our focus is the league this year (though we will want to defend the FA Vase that we won too, in case no-one knew). Your lot are doing okay in the league aren't they? I can't see them toppling Newport County, but you never know.

    Meanwhile, I am missing our home match against Bedlington Terriers tonight due to a necessity to do the ironing and washing up or face extradition to a foreign land. I've got it all done now, but I reckon the lads are missing me.

    In fact tonight could be a disaster - because we're level at 1-1 with not too long to go. Thats not ideal with Spennymoor this weekend cos it means we'll only be 3 points clear of them on equal games if the score stays like this.

    Forget the Champions League, I'm fretting it here.

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  • 392. At 9:28pm on 20 Oct 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    Sod it. Finished all square at 1-1.

    Pants. Our season is gonna fall apart.

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  • 393. At 9:33pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    WBWTV Barca are currently being beaten by Rubiks Cube so you never know, you could be in the CL next year and win.

    I really hope it stays that way just to make Robbo's CL blog look stupid.

    But it probably won't. Just to annoy me!

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  • 394. At 9:35pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA SAVE RAFA

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  • 395. At 9:40pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Liverpool beaten at home. Arsenal draw against some sort of PH paper side. Inter held at home. 7 goals in whereve Debrecen is. Rangers made to look stupid again. And Barca beaten by a toy puzzle in the Nou Camp.

    Football, bloody hell.

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  • 396. At 9:46pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    WBWTV Your result is obviously the biggest turn up of the night. You must have suspected it though after the confident 7-0 prediction for the weekend became merely a 5-1 win.

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  • 397. At 9:58pm on 20 Oct 2009, footysoapopera wrote:

    took my son to football training tonight, chatted about how liverpool would lose 2-1 tonight and how they will not win any of their next 3 games. they will win nothing this year and will struggle to finish in the top 6. rafa will leave or be sacked. listen rafa, you will not win anything with lucas and skyrtl in your team and you have failed to get anything out of babel (who is a very good player, just not for your team) , and you dont play riera???? you play inexperienced players like kelly. you have failed to correct defensive frailties which undermines the confidence of the whole team causing poor performances.

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  • 398. At 10:34pm on 20 Oct 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    I have spoken with a fellow Bay fan that went to the match tonight.

    It would seem we fell foul of the same thing that saw us draw our only other 'non winning game' this season - the weather.

    See, as silly as this might sound, the Mighty Bay just don't like bad weather. We're never the same team when it gets a bit windy and rains - and my god it is windy and rainy up here tonight. When we drew against Billingham it was a godforsaken night within sight of the smoggy border.

    This isn't good though. Winter is almost upon us, we're not exactly the English Algarve when it comes to weather and we have Spennymoor at the weekend.

    However, I still think we'll beat Spennymoor. Probably soundly too, so I'll say 3-1.

    I never did like Bedlington Terriers. Yappy little beggars that always seem to try a bit harder when it comes to fights with big dogs. If we were a little Yorkie, they'd have probably ran a mile, but no - they came for a fight tonight from what I have been told.

    Gutted.

    I saw the Barca result and that made my furrowed brow raise a little. I then saw the Liverpool result and wondered, once again, how the hell that man from Spain is still in a job. He should have gone long ago.

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  • 399. At 10:37pm on 20 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    Very careless display tonight. No confidence on the ball, except for Yossi and young Kelly. Sometimes all you can do is hold your hands up and say that at the moment we are not good enough. I will not hide, though. I can barely recall Charlie Nicholas' league cup final brace that last condemned us to a fourth straight defeat, but this is the time when fans should get behind their team and will them on with even greater lustre. So, as in half time at the Ataturk stadium, I shall serenade you all, with a heavy yet proud heart....

    When you walk through a storm
    Hold your head up high
    And don't be afraid of the dark

    At the end of the storm
    Is a golden sky
    And the sweet silver song of the lark

    Walk on through the wind
    Walk on through the rain
    Though your dreams be tossed and blown

    Walk on walk on with hope in your heart
    And you'll never walk alone
    You'll never walk alone

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  • 400. At 10:39pm on 20 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    Unlucky with your draw by the way, Whitley. I'm sure you'll be back to form by battering Spennymoor at the weekend!

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  • 401. At 10:45pm on 20 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Ahhhh TommyB, hopefully G&H were serenaded as babes to that classic Rodgers & Hammerstein number and its message sank in!

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  • 402. At 11:13pm on 20 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    I'm sure there are a few Gooners who would like to ask him some...

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/football/10/20/football.ask.emmanuel.adebayor/index.html

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  • 403. At 00:47am on 21 Oct 2009, BillyOnaire wrote:

    I have to laugh at fans of the so-called 'Big 4', trying to criticise Manchester City by saying that they have 'bought' a shedload of players over the summer and that they are trying to 'buy' success!!! Since when did six players (eight if you include free transfers Sylvinho & Stuart Taylor) constitute a shedload?! They all try to say that City have tried to 'buy' success but they conveniently suffer with selective memory syndrome when they consider their own team! For example, how much did Chelsea's first 11 cost, or Utd's, Liverpool's and Arsenal's. Listen to their fans and you would swear that they didn't buy them, as they say that City have. What utter........(I'll keep it clean) codswallop!!!!!! Chelsea paid approximately £170m for their first 11, Utd paid approximately £168.5m for their first 11, Liverpool paid approximately £140m for their first 11 and Arsenal have paid out a not inconsiderable £80m for their first 11! Although Arsenal's figure is much less than the other 3, it does rather ram back down Gooners' throats the premise that they don't buy players. That's right, even though they have spent the last few years steal.......sorry, acquiring the best teenagers from across Europe to pretend to bring through their youth system, they have still spent rather a lot of money! Hmm. In comparison to the above figures, Manchester City's first 11 cost the club approximately £140m (£160m if you put Robinho in the first 11 instead of Bellamy. Not that I would at the moment though!!) For those who are interested, the majority of this info has been collated from soccerbase. My point here is that City have, in reality, spent rather less than the rest of the established elite in acquiring their first choice team. When you take inflation into account, The spending of the 'Big 4' clubs becomes greater, as a number of their purchases were a few years ago. The other point that rankles with me is the comparison made with Chelsea in the summer of 2003/4. For your information, City made 8 signings this summer, of which 6 involved fees. In the summer of 2003/4, Chelsea signed 18 (yes, eighteen!) players and spent £155m, which would equate to a hell of a lot more in today's climate! So, as you can now plainly see, the facts and figures do not back up the codswallop sprouted by the hypocritical fans of the 'Big 4'. My message is, stop being hypocrites and accept healthy competition, as it is good for the game! Oh and don't be a fair weather fan when your team's CL place is taken by City, which it most certainly will be, hopefully this season but definitely next!!
    Was that the sound of a lot of toilets flushing on Merseyside??!! They'll be flushing in London and Trafford in the next year too!

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  • 404. At 01:43am on 21 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Who cares about ManCity or Liverpool, Middlesbrough part company with southgate with immediate effect. Now thats news.

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  • 405. At 07:57am on 21 Oct 2009, john wrote:

    Having joined and read this page a little late, let me just say that Robbo you are ignoring the history of the Premier League when youi write this blog.

    Yes you are right, the top four have had a slow start and yes they have and will drop points. But have Man chester United ever been quick starters? No. But despite that, how many titles have they won?

    Teams like Tottenham, Everton, Villa, Newcastle and others have regularly flirted with the top four, regularly filled these positions during the early posturings of a season. But lets see who is where when the season really counts in March. Then we will see what kind of potental Manchester City has. Then we will see how Villa have developed.

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  • 406. At 08:04am on 21 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    I think Rafa's going to be nervously looking over his shoulder this morning.

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  • 407. At 09:21am on 21 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Southgate to Pool?

    Keegan to Boro?

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  • 408. At 09:22am on 21 Oct 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    I'm very disappointed Robbo!

    I hurriedly clicked through to your blog this morning in expectation of a celebration of the life and times of Gareth Southgate - and who would be replacing him at your beloved Boro!

    C'mon, with a chairman like Gibson you don't get the chance to blog about management change on Teesside too often, so we await with anticipation!

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  • 409. At 09:28am on 21 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Careful wbwtv,it's not too far for Gibson to drive up the A19 to go a'poachin.After all,goals,top of the league,silverware.What more does a chairman want!

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  • 410. At 09:49am on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    He basically does what Eric did for years but gets pilloried for it.
    --------------------

    Yes but he isn't scoring goals.

    What to talk about a plethora of excellent results - Arsenal held, Barcelona beaten at the Nou Camp by a Russian team no-one has heard of (although they are champions and are top of the Russian league).

    There is the added joy of Middlesbrough being silly enough to sack tehir mnanager just as he starts winning (where is the logic in that why not sack him last week when they lost?) especially given that they are 4th, 1 point of the top and Newcastle & WBA both lost although Blackpool are 5th (go figure)

    Then the beauty of Liverpool losing at home, Gerrad out of Sunday's big game, the prospect of opening up a 10 point lead over Liverpool, will Benitex be sacked, is he tactically inept.

    But no all these pale in comparison to teh big story of yesterday

    WHITLEY BAY FAILED TO WIN AT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I mean one measly goal, it's not what you expect from a team expected to sweep all opposition aside on a stroll to a title that lots of misguided pundits tipped them for as a shoo-in as they only lost 1 player where their main rivals had lost key personnel. Now they are going to fade away and finish mid-table.

    Hang -on - THAT'S LIVERPOOL - At least Whitley Bay won the VAse, are top and have scored squillions of goals so I guess a point isn't too bad.

    I must finally now thke this moment to gloat and hope that Sunday brings a last minute winner from Gary Neville at the Kop end and Utd win 1-0.

    That would bring tears to the eyes of one man who has been conspicuous by his absence (probably upset BTP as well as the Onion)

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  • 411. At 09:57am on 21 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    354. At 6:05pm on 20 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:
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    Robbo

    For starters you seem to be assuming that these "critiques" of mine are purely individual when clearly its a view shared by others.

    Secondly - I dont understand why you feel it necessary to ignore them. Other than the odd rant about how this is your blog and you decide what goes in it you fail to address any of the issues I have raised. If I was writing every week "This blog is hopeless Robbo, you are a poor writer" I could understand but I have put forward several reasonable questions which you seem to dismiss as unconstructive criticism. I am fully aware you are employed by the bbc to write this blog and assume you have basic parameters to adhere to but in general you are given a fair bit of creative license. This is why I find the continued overreliance on the same format with the same cast of characters to be disappointing.

    Why cant you do a non Robbo blog once in a while?
    Why cant you do blogs on a more infrequent basis and focus on producing one good blog instead of two rushed ones?
    Why the continued jibes at the big four and their regular villans?

    There could well be legitimate answers to these but you never provide any. As such I am left to draw my own conclusions which are namely that the blog is written under a fairly tight (and unneccessary) deadline. As such you are forced to write the blogs quickly, quality suffers and repitition thrives. Its a safe play to generally throw one out having a go at the big four or sparking a debate on who England should pick as its garaunteed to get people commenting. But its just routine at this stage. Even the blog comments section follows a general path where your blog is discussed for the first hour or two that its up before the regular batch get on and turn it into their own private conversations and comedy acts and any attempts at making a football related point or response to your blog is deemed to be having a lack of sense of humour or just ignored. Then when the odd guy disagrees with your blog opinion or defends his own point he is treated to a series of sarcastic responses by 3/4 people who spend all their time trying to be funny and impress their cyber buddies.

    The blog could be good because it has fairly lenient moderation policy which facilitates discussion and has been afforded a large degree of creative freedom meaning that theres lots of different footballing points and angles the blog can look at. This doesnt mean having to abandon the Robbo style but increasingly I get the impression you are just throwing out blogs of the same formula in order to satisfy the select few rather than trying to make the most of the blog.

    These are just general observations as much as critiques Robbo. You may not agree, maybe you do agree and theres nothing you can do about it but its hardly just some unneccessary abuse thrown your way for the sake of it however much you try and present it as such.

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  • 412. At 09:58am on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Adam, do i detect a hint of gloating in that last post???

    What a night though, Barca losing is HUGE (and brilliant) Liverpool losing is always funny (i have alot of 'pool fan mates, so i can take real joy in this) Arsenal held (would have prefered a defeat, but oh well!) Lets hope that more prem blood is spilled tonight (though i doubt it, although you never know what Chelsea team will turn up)... Itsa funny old game ay...

    But Boro, sacking Southgate... STUPID! If he was going to go, he should have gone in the summer, but a point off the top and they won the home match stopping the rot setting in, and he gets sacked for his troubles.. hahahaha...

    Were still interviewing Gareth mate, get down to the Shots son...

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  • 413. At 10:06am on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Joe if you have got something to say, just come out and say it mate...

    Oh man, i do not care if you are for real or not, i love your work!

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  • 414. At 10:22am on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Then when the odd guy disagrees with your blog opinion or defends his own point he is treated to a series of sarcastic responses by 3/4 people who spend all their time trying to be funny and impress their cyber buddies

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    What do you mean trying.....?

    And people are entitled to be sarcastic back you know.

    On to football for JDR's benefit though

    I think that Utd, Chelsea and Milan will win tonight which would be very good especially if Zurich beat Marseille as everyone would then be on 6 points and with the Gelled Tumbler out the chances of Real not qualifying would increase.

    Imagine that a last 16 with no Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter or Liverpool. It i spossible if Kiev and Rubin Kazan qualify from that group. Utd could have an excellent chance of lifting the CL trophy again

    As another point why didn't Rafa try a 4-3-2-1 formation? He could have had a midfield 3 or Mascherano, Lucas and Spearing, Babel and benayoun playing as the 2 with Kuyt up top and that might have got them at least a point.

    Glad he didn't though - I wonder what odds I can get on Gary Neville scoring in a 1-0 win?

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  • 415. At 10:29am on 21 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    Huh? ... JDR finished 20 minutes ago ... Why didn't anyone wake me then?

    Last night was a breath of fresh air having those Russian minnows do what Chelsea couldn't ;)

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  • 416. At 10:30am on 21 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    What do you mean trying.....?

    And people are entitled to be sarcastic back you know.
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    Well personally I dont find it good form to just slag someone sarcastically because you dont agree or hate the team they support. Especially if they havent personally insulted you in any way and is simply making a point.

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  • 417. At 10:43am on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    "well i dont think its good form" blah blah blah.. shut up Joe!

    haha, only joking, see we also employ a good sense of irony with our sarcastic remarks...

    And in fairness Joe, the things you hate about Robbo are thie things alot of people like...

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  • 418. At 10:45am on 21 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    Southgategate... the latest incomprehensible saga in an increasingly bizarre season. Not sure being one point off the top after beating a Derby side who didn't even register a goal (there goes my wager - just one, Derby, one goal is all I needed) is cause for dismissal, especially from Gibson.

    What do you reckon, Robbo? It seems so out of character for your chairman to behave like this. Is there something more to it?

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  • 419. At 10:52am on 21 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    Back to footie and the Champoinship, I've just picked this up on the Sport section.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/leicester_city/8317903.stm

    That'll be something else if Leicester actually get Davids to play for them.

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  • 420. At 10:54am on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    418... If you are right Tommy and thier is more than meets the eye to the Southgategate, would it then be Southgategategate?

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  • 421. At 11:11am on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Well personally I dont find it good form to just slag someone sarcastically because you dont agree or hate the team they support. Especially if they havent personally insulted you in any way and is simply making a point.

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    But we're not being personal the sarcasm is there simply because like the main blog we employ stereotypes . For example TommyOnion is a stereotype of a blinkered scouser who hates utd and can't accept his club is on the wane. H2H typical gooner optimistic to a fault and happy with either good football and getting close to trophies or decent football and trophies (I know because I have lived among them - in Holloway actually - for 7 long years). Gaz is the Irish United fan who loves the team as they have a natural affinity and didn't want to support Celtic, RBA good lower league fan who is happy with still existing as a club but seeing the potential. As for the glory hunting FA Vase fan - appreciates that supporting and promoting lower leagues is vital to keeping people genuinely interested in going to games.

    JDR - you are the sterotypical archvillain (do you have a cat by btw as I read a book called the Devious Book for Cats and it said that all goo archvillains have a cat - although you need to also have a good 5 or 10 year plan for world domination as well) and have a supporting cast of henchmen who try to emulate you but cannot.

    As Robbo's evil twin/ archvillain your mission in life is to bring order to chaos and ensure that quality & substance prevail over humour and banter.

    Bit like Bobby Orlando and his War For Disco Truth. for examples of this see Passion (The Flirts, )She Has a Way (Oh Romeo), One More Chance (Pet Shop Boys)

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  • 422. At 11:22am on 21 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    421. At 11:11am on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:
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    No I dont mind people having their own banter and I understand that "the regulars" dont mind slagging each other off good naturedly but every so often some hapless victim will comment on the big four only to be abused by a few guys desperate to score points in the comedy stakes.

    It doesnt really bother me that I get abuse but but sometimes the impression is given that there are a certain cast of people that lay claim to the blog and the odd football comment by some non regular is deemed an interuption of "the banter" and an opportunity to show off some comic genius. If the point is made in good faith then I think this is unfair. Theres room on the blog to accomodate everyone surely.

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  • 423. At 11:26am on 21 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    421

    Adam, you also just wrote your own stereotype. TommyO painted as the Arthur Scargill-esque dinosaur, lashing out over his pint of bitter and refusing to accept that society and economics has moved on, and his era is at an end. Gaz as the romantic Irish poet, aware of yet in ironic appreciation of life's transient nature, enjoying the craic with a few friends over (whisper it) possibly one too many Bushmills in jovial surroundings whilst he basks in the reflected beauty of Rooney's gorgeous face and God's own kingdom. Both are really the same, but all dependent on how the wind blows from one day to the next. We shall see on Sunday afternoon which is triumphant in the latest installment. But trust me... the fat lady never sings. She's lost her voice screaming for the final whistle at OT. A whistle that never sounds.

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  • 424. At 11:28am on 21 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    RBA... we could become trapped in some sort of horrendous cyclical vortex here. How many gates make a man turn south?

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  • 425. At 11:44am on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    TommyB... I am hoping for a situation where a civil partnership between Gareth Southgate and Gareth Gates is uncovered amongst the scandal at the Boro... Then the possibilty for a Gates-Southgategategategate is posibble...

    Also, if a Whistle never sounds, can it be called a Whistle?

    And finally JDR... does that really happen? Granted it does have a bit of a boys club atmoshpere in here occasionally, perhaps as i am part of the problem i am unable to see it... But i think even amongst the name calling and joking the underlying tone of the banter (though at times is rather insular) is always a freindly one???

    I think alot of people feel freere to comment on these pages than say at McNulty's where judgement can be less comical, and alot more clinical???

    Anyway i should probably do some work...

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  • 426. At 11:48am on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #423 - tommyb - what sterotype is mine The cheerful HiNRG disco loving football fan who views everything with an ironic detachment learnt from Mssrs Tennant & Lowe, supports United and can accept points that conflict with his own views pretends not to as it far more amusing winding others up in a good-natured way

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  • 427. At 11:53am on 21 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    A whistle is always a whistle, but can sometimes be transdimensional.

    Adam, don't romanticise detachment, ironic or otherwise. It is the downfall of all civilisation, and the scourge of the MTV generation.

    I'm off to work. I shall be watching with ironic detachment.

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  • 428. At 11:54am on 21 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    Damn it!

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  • 429. At 12:03pm on 21 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    425. At 11:44am on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
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    I agree that the blog is more open and better serves debate but the can be a shouting down mentality and occaisionally there seems to be a set guideline on what qualifies as "banter" and what is "humourless" decided by a few. Most days I dont really have then time to engage in these debates that go off on a tangent even if I wanted to but I think there is room to discuss the odd football point without bursting a blood vessel in an attempt to be funny or to impress someone else or generate banter. Im aware this qualifies me for the "humourless" category but it doesnt really bother me. What occaisionally does bother me is when a reasonabl point or take on a topic is hijacked by a few guys into a "lets be funny" competion which kills off the point and any debate. This can often be done in good spirits but then end result is the same. Point ruined and a page long discussion about something completely off topic. This invariably is why many of the regulars enjoy the blog but to be honest I dont think they need any points like that to have their own banter and I can fully understand why other people (Andre/Ira etc) dont exactly find it to be hilariously funny. At the end of the day theres plenty of room on this blog for everyone whether or not they are agreed on what the blog should be, what qualifies as funny and who will be outside the top 4 etc. All I want is a decent blog that raises a few decent points that can be discussed in a casual fashion with moderators being emplyed every few minutes. I am aware this makes me hated amongst those who want to have their own discussions and go off on a tangent but I dont really mind.

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  • 430. At 12:04pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    ironic detachment has nothing to do with teh MTV generation. In fact MTV killed it in favour of gushy all singing , all dancing girl & boy bands. Rap & R&B now rule the MTV channels with occasional forays by Britney & similar solo artists, girls aloud etc.

    Bring back the 80's (but not the league positions they should stay firmly 1993 onwards

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  • 431. At 12:23pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #429 - Andre & BTP to be fair were actually funny in the way that yours actually have some merit (apart from the moderators as I think off-topic isn't a bad thing - just no personal abuse, swearing etc) but Ira was just personally abusive all the time so quite frankly I'm glad we've seen the back of him

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  • 432. At 12:24pm on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Joe... I think i see where you are coming from... a lot of the time this blog goes in to a forray of "my dads tougher than your dad" type arguments... And also when people like Ira (not Andre, as he does not make any valid points and is a pure WUM) do criticise the status quo (not the band Adam, calm down) of the blog, do get seemingly attacked en masse... But thier is always a come back and a good level of debate... Ive never seen a situation where some one is "ran out" of the blog for thier views...

    I think to summarise the blog and its appeal i would like to quote some one whom i have for a long time had a grudging admiration for...

    "At the end of the day theres plenty of room on this blog for everyone whether or not they are agreed on what the blog should be"

    Never a truer word spoken on these pages...


    Aldershot for the league... you heard it here first.

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  • 433. At 12:32pm on 21 Oct 2009, awesomeMr_Burns wrote:

    JDR wrote "All I want is a decent blog that raises a few decent points that can be discussed in a casual fashion with moderators being emplyed every few minutes."
    JDR i dont think its here, ive got the feeling ur in the wrong blog.

    What i dont want to read in a blog is what a blog should or shoulnt be!!!

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  • 434. At 12:33pm on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Hey Adam... i think its funny we hate Ira and Andre differntly... Ira was more abusive but at least he was smarter than Andre... That guy was just ignorant... I mean at least Joe IRA, BTP and others mentioned footy once in a while...

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  • 435. At 12:33pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    I've never liked Status Quo so challenge the pony-tailed hippie losers all you want.

    I think Rotherham will actually win the division in the end although Bournemouth will go up (eddie howe is doing a top job there)

    Southgate is your next boss

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  • 436. At 12:36pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    BTP is still to be found in McNultyville but Andre, Chuckle & Ira have vanished. Maybe Joe thought they were in the SA and had them shot (you'll have to look that up in a 1930's Germany history book though in case I get modded)

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  • 437. At 12:38pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    You have to view comment '#436 in the context of the characters portrayed in theJDRgang video

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  • 438. At 12:57pm on 21 Oct 2009, footballfan25 wrote:

    Just one thing to say about the two man team theory for liverpool. Liverpool only have two players who can win them the game but the idea that they only have two players worthy of being in a top four team is ridiculous.

    I think the following players are good enough:
    Reina (best goal keeper in the top four teams now Cech has lost his way)
    Agger (a composed centre half how can pass as well as Rio)
    Carragher (although not on current form)
    Mascherano (wanted by the current Champions of Europe)
    Johnson (wanted by Chelsea this year)

    I also think the following players would get in another top four's squad:
    Benayoun
    Skrtel
    Kuyt

    I don't think the players are bad (although strength in depth is poor) but we have more than two good players - the rest just aren't match winners.

    Also, longer term the thing that is most important is continued presence in the Champions League and building the stadium - got to think long term like Arsenal did when they invested in their ground and Man Utd did with successive upgrades to quality and capacity at Old Trafford. It's all about the revenue.

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  • 439. At 1:38pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    I would disagree with Agger and Carragher, Reina I would agree with.

    Mascherano for me is a bit too one-dimensional pretty much a tackler and little else and I would disagree with Skrtl & Kuyt.

    benayoun yes, Johnson at Chelsea yes not at the others as his work rate & positional sense when it comes to defending just aren't good enough

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  • 440. At 1:45pm on 21 Oct 2009, bluehellsbells wrote:

    re 438 Reina (best goal keeper in the top four teams now Cech has lost his way)


    I admit Cech is not as good as he once once but, unlike Reina, I do believe he can distingusgh between a genuine football and a large blown up beach ball ....

    Anyone have any update if Whitley BAy have won any trophies lately?

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  • 441. At 1:49pm on 21 Oct 2009, bluehellsbells wrote:

    440 - he might also be able to distinguish between the two

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  • 442. At 1:50pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    I heard something about the FA Vase......not sure about the Preston Grange North Shields Challenge Cup though...

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  • 443. At 1:51pm on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Adam, you could be right with our next boss... rumours are spreading that we are in for a takeover... Who knows? As it stands though we could not afford Southgate...

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  • 444. At 1:51pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    unlike Reina, I do believe he can distinguish between a genuine football and a large blown up beach ball ....
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    You mean he can see Jan Molby too

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  • 445. At 1:52pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Who knows? As it stands though we could not afford Southgate...
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    What about Enfield that's nice to live in too and nearby as well

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  • 446. At 1:58pm on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Enfield definately couldn't afford him, and i'm not sure they are looking...

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  • 447. At 2:05pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    What about Harry Enfield - he could do the post-match interviews as a different character after each game. Would be amusing if little else

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  • 448. At 2:10pm on 21 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    440 et al, but only with his glasses on! In any event to say someone is the best keeper in the Premiership is surely to damn with faint praise?

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  • 449. At 2:12pm on 21 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    What about Harry Enfield to replace Rafa...

    A comidean would know what to do with a team who are recently a bit of a joke.

    Sorry L'pool fans, I couldn't resist that.

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  • 450. At 2:15pm on 21 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    442. At 1:50pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Preston Grange North Shields Challenge Cup though...

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    That'll be fun to pronounce after a few bevvies :P

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  • 451. At 2:20pm on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    A managerial team of Harry Enfield with Paul Whitehouse as assistant, would be quality... And H2H it could be whats needed to raise the spirits at Anfield...

    You'll never walk alone (misery loves company)...

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  • 452. At 2:31pm on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    "I lost sight of the official ball and stayed on the red one. I went for the red ball instinctively as it was the closest to me and the other went past me."

    Is it just me or is this one of the worst defences in history, did lionel hutz prepare it for him? "I went for the red ball instinctively" What?

    Oh yeah he is better than VDS and Cech...

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  • 453. At 2:36pm on 21 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    RBA, maybe he thought he was playing snooker.

    Whatever his excuse, one day he'll have to admit he really balls'd it up.

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  • 454. At 2:37pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    did lionel hutz prepare it for him
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    Hi I'm Pepe Reina. You may remember me from such Goalkeeping disasters as Darren Bent's beach ball at Sunderland. and I am here today to teach you the basics of goalkeeping.

    If the football comes near you catch it, punch it, kick it or do anything that gets it away from the area. Above all keep your eyes on it do not be distracted by..oooh what's that pretty red thing by the goal?

    Doh!!! - Darren Bent scores

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  • 455. At 2:53pm on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Well that was Troy McClure and not lionel hutz, but Phil Hartman done the voices for both, so its near enough... Quality.

    I would love to see Pepe defend himself for cheating on his wife, "well the blonde was near to my wife, but closer to me, and they share many of the same features, i was focusing on her and when the time came i slept with her... It was instinct"

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  • 456. At 3:05pm on 21 Oct 2009, mermaidbeach wrote:

    WHEN WILL RAFA STOP GOING ON ABOUT INJURYS,HE SHOULD TAKE A LEAF OUT OF DAVE MOYES WHO,S TEAM HAS HAD MAJOR INJURIES FOR THE PAST 2 YRS TO IS SQUAD BUT HE JUST GETS ON WITH PICKING A TEAM WITH THE PLAYERS HE AS IN IS SQUAD WITHOUT MENTIONING INJURIES,RAFA GOES ON ABOUT GERRARD AND TORRES BUT YOU NEED A SQUAF FOR THIS AND WHEN HE COMPLAINS WHEN THESE ARE INJURED THE PEOPLE WHO TAKE THERE PLACE KNOW THEY ARE OUT AGAIN WHEN THE OTHER 2 ARE FIT SO THER MIND WILL NOT BE ON THE JOB,RAFA LEARN FROM OVER THE ROAD,YOU NEED TEAM SPIRIT IN THE SIDE,ITS 11 MEN NOT THE 2 YOU MENTION.GET ON WITH IT WITH THE SQUAD YOU HAVE.

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  • 457. At 3:18pm on 21 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Gentlemen! In view of the tenor of recent blogs I think I am disappointed. I half expected a red beach ball full of friendly abuse, but it seems you are far too gentlemanly to respond to my attempted wind-up. As it said on my school reports "I must try harder".
    Imo Van der Sar may just qualify as the best keeper but I suggest you could perm any three from eighteen and still not match Banks or Shilton, which reminds me does anyone think Bonetti was better than Cech?
    Incidentally I am not a supporter of the so called big four, my allegience is to a team who for a very short spell knocked spots off all of them. To give you a clue I first saw them when they were in the Third Division South in 1950 and Ardron, Capel and Collindridge were their stars.
    Finally I think this blog and its contributors is one of, if not, the best the BBC has to offer.

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  • 458. At 3:19pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Don't worry about injuries just sign more players and blame the board. Best quote was one from Tom Hicks where he said that Rafa should worry less about new players and concentrate more on coaching the ones he already has. Problem is once the novelty wears off he sells them if coaching is going to take too much time

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  • 459. At 3:26pm on 21 Oct 2009, jonnothecitizen wrote:

    #456 - To be fair to Rafa and Liverpool, it is all about Gerrard and Torres. Liverpool relied very heavily last season on the goalscoring ability of Torres and the creativity of Gerrard, as well as the tacking of Mascherano and the passing ability of Alonso.

    Even when Torres and Gerrard were out last season they could still count on Alonso and Mascherano policing the back four and hope they got a long punt upfront to one of the 'squad' which usually led to a dodgy 1-0 win. Without Alonso Liverpool just dont have a reliable system, irregardless of the presense of Gerrard and Torres.

    Would like to hope Aquilana will sort it out for you, because he does look promising, but as someone pointed out earlier, he is about as injury prone as Michael Owen, i doubt it.

    As for the top four this season
    1. Chelsea and United to fight it out for top two, decided on final day of season.
    2. Arsenal/Liverpool/Man City/Tottenham/Sunderland/Villa fighting it out for 3rd to 7th. Wouldnt be that surprised if Arsenal and Liverpool ended up playing in the Europa League next season at the expense of Spurs and City



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  • 460. At 3:32pm on 21 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    @457 redpreacherman, O.K Mr Forest fan, I personaly think Given is the best goalie in the league, and I highly rate Schwarzer & Jaaskelainen who are both solid keepers.

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  • 461. At 3:46pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #457 - A Nottingham Forest fan.

    I remember the only time I saw them was when I was at University and Stan Collymore was returning for the 1st time with Liverpool. Forest won 1-0 and you can see me and my mates on match of the day in the top tier of the Trent End (You could also hear all the fans singing Collymore what a ******. EVeryone loved it when he got booked.

    As for goalkeepers - Schmeichel and Stepney were the best ever

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  • 462. At 3:48pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Also didn't Notts County pip Forest to the Div 3 South title that year with Forest going up the year after

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  • 463. At 3:50pm on 21 Oct 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    gaz - on the how many hotels in lisburn debate you may be right, i meant to type "brothel", not "hotel". this particular brothel was mentioned by de Selby as amongst the "Top 4 (phew, on topic) brothels of western europe", in his memoirs "biggest thrills of 1936". unfrotuanatley he also goes with ted drake's 8 goals for arsenal against aston villa and the invasion of the Rhineland

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  • 464. At 3:51pm on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    We may not have the best keeper (3 conceded on saturday...) but his name is Clark Masters... that is one of the best names i have ever heard!

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  • 465. At 4:11pm on 21 Oct 2009, THE-WORD-LIFE wrote:

    Dont understand this blog at all. Some guy that knows nothing about football is paid write about football from inside a gay bar in Middlesbrough?

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  • 466. At 4:11pm on 21 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    Hull seem to have a penchant for picking players with whimsical names ... Boaz Myhill and Jozy Altidore take some beating in my book :P

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  • 467. At 4:12pm on 21 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    THE-WORD-LIFE is back ... Great. :/

    Can we have JDR back? Pretty please?

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  • 468. At 4:19pm on 21 Oct 2009, Partypistol wrote:

    Hi Robbo

    I like many fans are optimistic about our chances to break into the top four, however it'll be very hard with Man City, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, and Chelsea all challenging to get there. I would also add that it isn't too late for Everton. I would rule out Sunderland this season, but with the right support, old potato head is still a good manager.

    With regards to our prospects, we are good at set pieces in an attacking sense, but I'm filled with nerves still defensively at set pieces. Time will tell. However I would also like to add that we are deadly on the break, especially against teams who will attack us, but we still struggle to break down a team that shuts up shop fighting for every ball (Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn etc). I do not wish to offend the fans of these teams, but they do not have the same attacking abilities of those teams in the top 8, so they need to tighten up against the more dangerous teams.

    People seem suprised about our result against Chelsea, but looking at our results against them in all competitions over the last 6 years, we've been a bit of a thorn in their side on occassion.

    In closing, I'm happy if the media isn't bleating about us, and that we slip under the radar, because the underdog mentality will always keep player egos in check.

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  • 469. At 4:20pm on 21 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Adam I was only three in Oct 1950 so I've had to check. Notts County had been promoted at the end of the 49/50 season and as you suggest Forest followed them.
    If we're talking best ever keepers of any nationality the best I've ever seen was Lev Yashin.

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  • 470. At 4:23pm on 21 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    465, you seem to have it nailed on mate, what bit don't you understand??? Or are you just angling for me to make my awesome... "your thinking of the Brownbell" joke... coz that aint happeneing!

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  • 471. At 4:30pm on 21 Oct 2009, THE-WORD-LIFE wrote:

    467. At 4:12pm on 21 Oct 2009, Starfire_995 wrote:
    THE-WORD-LIFE is back ... Great. :/

    Can we have JDR back? Pretty please?
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Huh?

    Bro what you mean?

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  • 472. At 4:33pm on 21 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    RBA I thought the name of that bar was a mixture between the blue Bell & the world's End.

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  • 473. At 4:39pm on 21 Oct 2009, THE-WORD-LIFE wrote:

    I know a bloke from Leek who used to work in a factory and play local football in Middlesbrough occasionally. He said the the Blue Bell is a gay bar. I dont get why this guy Robbo is paid to write football in a gay bar if he knows nothing about it?

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  • 474. At 4:43pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    I think maybe the Blue Bell (like Robbo himself) is fictional. It is a virtual pub with virtual patrons, virtual beer and support a team with virtually no chance of being promoted

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  • 475. At 4:49pm on 21 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    #THE-WORD-LIFE, At the top of this blog there is a photo, well actually a drawing of this blog's author, i.e. a cartoon charachter, with the following message-


    I'm Derek Robson. People call me Robbo. Legend has it I was raised in the furnace and smog of Teesside. Some might say I took the hard road. I like to tell folk I had trials for Middlesbrough, for Hartlepool and for burglary (not guilty). I've always loved sport. My job is to say it as I see it - whether it's in the bar of the Blue Bell or on this blog. You won't find me calling a spade a soil-redistribution implement.

    Whats not to get?

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  • 476. At 4:57pm on 21 Oct 2009, bluehellsbells wrote:

    473. At 4:39pm on 21 Oct 2009, THE-WORD-LIFE wrote:
    I know a bloke from Leek who used to work in a factory and play local football in Middlesbrough occasionally. He said the the Blue Bell is a gay bar. I dont get why this guy Robbo is paid to write football in a gay bar if he knows nothing about it?

    --------------

    I beg to differ Robbo seems to know a lot about the Blue Bell ....

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  • 477. At 4:58pm on 21 Oct 2009, THE-WORD-LIFE wrote:

    If he had trials for Hartlepool and Middlesbrough and talked about his career or local footballers it would make more sense. He wasnt a player in the main divisions and he doesnt know much about the main teams. I dont get why he writes in a gay bar either unless he owns it. He said he plays for a local team but it sounds like a pub team? Basically anyone could write about football in a bar.

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  • 478. At 5:35pm on 21 Oct 2009, Vermaelogy wrote:

    I think GAZUTD is Tommy Smyth from ESPN

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  • 479. At 5:42pm on 21 Oct 2009, redforever wrote:

    Its time to confess.
    I am a Liverpool fan who has been worshipping at the altar of "In Rafa we trust". In my defence, I have on occasion questioned signings, lack of signings, team selection, tactics, but when it really comes down to and challenged by a differing opinion I fall back on my loyalty and tell everybody we "do have a great squad", "Lucas IS a world class player"..

    The blinkers came off yesterday. Its like the emperors new clothes. Your line about Liverpool being a bunch of journeymen, beyond Gerrard and Torres? Bang on.
    Of course I want them to beat United on Sunday, and get some form back and climb into the top four- but its not going to happen is it. Actually I was thinking that without Gerrard and Torres, we will be lucky to finish in the top ten.
    Earlier this year I thought that United sans Ronaldo would struggle to be in the top four, turns out I was wrong about that one.
    All that said, I dont think the supporting group is that much better than before. United arent much to watch this season. Chelsea are pedestrian, Arsenal are Jekyll and Hyde (I dont remember which one was the good one?) Its not a great league to watch right now.

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  • 480. At 5:46pm on 21 Oct 2009, Vermaelogy wrote:

    "It's not a great league to watch right now"

    says the Liverpool fan

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  • 481. At 6:44pm on 21 Oct 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Ian Chandler, Manager of Whitley Bay FC, has turned down the chance to take over as Middlesbrough manager.

    Doesn't want to go to a smaller club apparently.

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  • 482. At 8:14pm on 21 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    Adam @436

    The Night of the Long-Winded Critique?

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  • 483. At 8:42pm on 21 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Jeez a quiet afternoon in the pub and look what I miss. It was a real pub by the way, not a virtual one. And there were virtually no gays in it. Or should that be no virtual gays. Lara Croft, there's a virtual gay I have imagined many a time.

    Anyway on to more serious matters... TommyB I have no idea what that meant when you were describing me earlier, but I think I should thank you. I think. But it was way over my head. Any time poetry is mentioned consider me dumbfounded.

    And who is this Tommy Smyth bloke from ESPN. From Wikirubbishia I gather he was born in Co. Louth. Which is an insult. Both to him and me.

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  • 484. At 9:17pm on 21 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    'ello Lads,

    A quiet afternoon in the big apple for me and back in time for Chelski!

    TommyB, hope you're feeling a bit better today. I just wanted to check if the two men in the two man team that graces Anfield, are now named Yossi and Kelly?

    On the goalkeeping debate, I never saw Yashin but legend followed him. Banks was the best of his generation, Stepney was average in comparison and Bonnetti was a mistake waiting to happen. Gary Sprake was the worst of all the top clubs' keepers at the time, some hilarious howlers on his resume. Tommy Lawrence was alright, Pat Jennings a good 'un too. A bit later Shilton and Clemence were head and shoulders above the rest.

    Gaz, we have the pleasure of Tommy Smyth twice a week, lovely old fellah, slightly past his best and not alone in that respect!

    Nice away win tonight, steady as she goes!

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  • 485. At 9:51pm on 21 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Don't know about the keeper but I have heard more on the Southgate Gareth Gates situation, apparently they met at The Riversides entrance gates where they shared a bottle of water, decided to go to the theatre together where they had a pint of Guinness and talked about San Francisco, resulting in...

    Southgate-Gates-ElectricGate-WaterGate-GateTheatre-StJamesGate-GoldenGate-Gate

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  • 486. At 10:03pm on 21 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    no Bill?

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  • 487. At 10:05pm on 21 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    I'm fine thanks, Trotter. Work was a curious experience, surrounded as I am by Reds, Blues, Rovers, Shrews, Trotters, Notters and horrid Manc rotters.

    Gaz, I wouldn't worry. Not sure what I was on about myself. The sound of things is often more exciting than their substance anyway, or no one would listen to the Rolling Stones. Have you heard their lyrics? Honestly...

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  • 488. At 10:11pm on 21 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Don't worry Tommy I am sure Sunday will cheer you up. I have been reliably informed that there will be a 1000 balloon salute together with several banners proclaiming we are back with 18.

    As for the Rolling Stones I can't get passed the fact that there seem to be escapees from an old folks home running about on a stage. But then again I don't really 'get' music. Never understood the whole 'that song changed my outlook on life' malarky. It's just a bloody song.

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  • 489. At 10:13pm on 21 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Guess what another Gary Neville appearance - another 3 points. I vcan see a pattern developing here.

    I see Madrid managed to lose as well with teh only blot on teh landscape being a Chelsea win but you can't have everything.

    Roll on Sunday where we will see 3 points and Rafa's P-45

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  • 490. At 10:39pm on 21 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Bill's running his foundation, try Billingsgate.

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  • 491. At 11:13pm on 21 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    The Daily Mail has finally justified it's existence.

    For those Scousers who keep harping on about how United only win because they have the funds (you know who you are), I present to you the entire list of transfers by one Mr. Rafael Benitez, costing a total of....

    Drum roll please

    £229 million

    Yes that's TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY NINE MILLION POUNDS!! What a lack of funds that is.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1221975/Rafa-Benitezs-229m-spending-spree-The-76-players-signed-Liverpool-managers-reign.html

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  • 492. At 11:35pm on 21 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    I always found it funny how Rafa was always complaining about a "lack of funds". Even in the summer he was crying poverty while managing to blow 37mil on a defender who thinks he's a winger and a sicknote.

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  • 493. At 11:42pm on 21 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    Wow... that's almost as many players Diego Maradona used in WC (that's World Cup, by the way, not toilet) qualifying. In other news relating to water and closets.... the Daily Mail says being gay gives you fluid on the lungs. I'm not sure I trust either their motives or accuracy.

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  • 494. At 11:47pm on 21 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Did`they say where the fluid came from?

    On second thoughts I don't want to know.

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  • 495. At 11:49pm on 21 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    If they thought those 22,000 complaints for a poorly written article about a dead guy who couldn't sing were bad, they clearly haven't had a Scouse backlash before.

    I imagine tomorrow there will be 550,000 complaints tomorrow about how those prices are all wrong and how Fergie was responsible for Diana's crash.

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  • 496. At 11:50pm on 21 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    And given the size of Diego's backside lately I would think he could use as many people as he can get in the WC. (That is the toilet, not the World Cup)

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  • 497. At 00:40am on 22 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    Gaz, something you need to learn about Scousers and the royals.... not bezzies, la. Fergie killing Diana would be of more concern to the Cambodians, where she tirelessly campaigned against landmines and which coincidentally has the highest proportion of Manchester United fans per capita outside of Tunbridge Wells. They've just had a horrible civil war (in Democratic Kampuchea that is, not TW), so for God's sake man have a heart!

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  • 498. At 02:01am on 22 Oct 2009, Boll3auxUSA wrote:

    Aa a Gooner i'm not in the habit of defending Rafa, but do we know how much influence he had on the 229 Million spent? I'm pretty sure he didn't want Robbie Keane, and how many of the others were bought by a behind the scenes Director of Football/ Player developement?

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  • 499. At 08:56am on 22 Oct 2009, U14182338 wrote:

    It amuses me how some people associated with the 'old guard' of top sides gripe over 'new money' (i.e. Chelsea and now Man City) gatecrashing their party thanks to new billionaire owners. The only reason why Man U & co have been the top sides over the past 20 years is because they have more cash than anyone else.

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  • 500. At 09:05am on 22 Oct 2009, blogdignag wrote:

    yay! 500th blog. do i win anyfink?

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