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Robbo Robson | 12:17 UK time, Thursday, 22 October 2009

Always an unfair name for Gareth Southgate as he couldn't make his nose grow for love or money, such was the honesty of the bloke.

There's been enough dark mutterings about Gareth in the Teesside boozers for a while now but every criticism has been double-edged - as in 'lovely man, terrible manager'.
Even this year, a point behind top spot, we've had the feeling that Boro have been on a wing and a prayer (that wing being Adam Johnson).

Attendances have been getting lower and when you think that even last season it sometimes looked like the terraces had been block-booked by a party of plastic chairs, you can imagine how empty it feels. If it wasn't for some of us, it'd sound like a Trappist monk's funeral.

Still, it's not that happy a day for Boro fans. Southgate was the man who lifted our first major trophy in his hands. Don't tell me the Carling Cup means nowt.
Gareth Southgate Southgate left with Middlesbrough one point off the top
Plus, he was lumbered with selling off a lot of the jewels in Boro's crown, not least the Fat Four - Hasselbaink, Viduka, Mido and Yakubu. But more than that, you wished him well 'cos he is so transparently nice.

I think this is why Gibbo stuck with him for so long. Axing him must have felt like slapping a kitten. But as the saying goes in management (and in other contexts this is no bad thing) nice guys come second. Oh, and Roy Keane.

You just couldn't imagine Gareth losing it, really. I hear he threw the odd cotton bud around the home dressing-room. He once refused to put the kettle on at half-time and there was even one occasion when he ate an interval orange in front of everyone without handing any segments out to his first XI.

In Southgate's case the hairdryer treatment was something like: 'Here you go Stewie, borrow my Morphy Richards if yours is broken.'

So farewell to the spoddy sweaters and the latent mullet. We wish him well. Match of the Day 2 beckons (that's my guess).

In his place we have another popular figure. I missed Strachan when he went up North. He's funny, which is good, 'cos you need a sense of humour to work here. He's also got a flinty side. You can see him nutting Wheater in the navel if he continues to get caught out by a down-the-middle hoof from a mule of a centre-back.

No doubt he'll be looking for a Boateng/Cattermole type to endanger some midfield Championship ankles. But he's not starting from too bad a place is he? Just so long as we don't meet the trendy publishing company from Slovakia, Artmedia Bratislava, in our first match (unlikely) we'll be fine.

In fact, I don't know of anyone who's gnashing his teeth at this appointment. Gibbo described football as a 'cruel game' in the light of Southgate's dismissal. Not sure it's cruel enough if Southgate can hang on after relegation.

But Gibson - despite losing his 'Mr nice-guy' tag with the manner of the sacking - is that rare breed in modern football, a chairman the fans trust. I think Strachan can take us back up. Didn't think Southgate would. Fair enough.

The biggest shock this week was how many of the Champions League matches were interesting, not least that bloke Rubin Kazan turning over Barca.

Then Milan pinching a win at Real, even allowing for a blunder of mind-numbing stupidity by the keeper who named himself after a fire engine, Dida. A Homeric clanger (as in Simpson). Then of course there was the big one. Liverpool making it four in a row. It's not Going For Gold, Rafa.

Liverpool can't compete right now. Why? 'cos like tramps in a park, there's a lot of poverty on the bench. Rafa's biggest failing as a manager is his acquisitions. Torres and Mascherano apart, he can't pick a player.

Dossena is a non-tackling Italian defender. I mean you've got to look blinking hard to find one of them. Voronin, inexplicably a sub for Bennayoun, clearly has a bass guitar and a rock band to return to somewhere 'cos footballer can't be his proper job.
Rafa BenitezBenitez is coming under increasing pressure
The tower that is Babel is going to need the sort of scaffolding they clamp on to the one in Pisa if he is ever going to make a decent forward. And it's too easy to stop Ngog.
The strain is beginning to tell and not just on the groins of Stevie and Nando. Gareth Barry must be stuffing those extra 50 quid notes under his mattress with added glee.

The fans, not least on this messageboard, have stood shoulder to shoulder with the Spaniard for a fair while now, but even they are running short of patience. As Rafa might put it, the Facts are hard to argue with right now.

Maybe last year was THE year and it's time for the Koppites to retreat back to the waiting room and wait for the next trainer to arrive at the platform.

The shenanigans at board level won't help, and the money required might not be forthcoming from two blokes who don't seem to quite know what they want to do with the club.

I can't say that Benitez is a bad manager. His record suggests otherwise. And he'll always have Istanbul. But with United coming up, I'm wondering whether the bold claim of the 'Pool fans is going to lose a letter in the coming months: 'In Rafa We Rust'?

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  • 1. At 1:03pm on 22 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    I heard an interesting theory regarding Rafa this morning. It ran along the lines of the board not beinbg able tosack him because they can't affort the 20 mill in compensation that would come winging his way.

    Ouch.

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  • 2. At 1:05pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Southgates problem is that he is so boring that even a blog written about him puts you to sleep before you get to the interesting stuff, ie Rafa bashing.

    I never got the 'nice bloke' but about him, just that he was as exciting as a JDR monologue. Dunno why Gibson didn't sack him after relegation though, maybe Strachan only said he'd have a go this week. Will be great to hear Gordon's post match comments again.

    I only wish Southgate had have been sacked in May and Keano had have been given the job. What would Robbo's reaction have been then? Ahh good old hytpotheticals.

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  • 3. At 1:15pm on 22 Oct 2009, JPMcCoy wrote:

    Southgate was and is a poor manager, achieved virtually nothing at Middlesborough, if there is a correlation here with past bad borough managers he will take over from Capello soon!!!

    As for Rafa, We have full support from the manager, who we would sack if we didnt have to folk out £20mill. I would hate to be a Liverpool fan this season

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  • 4. At 1:18pm on 22 Oct 2009, Buckfast-Wine wrote:

    No gerrard, No torres, No liverpool..!

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  • 5. At 1:19pm on 22 Oct 2009, ronaldo_rocket wrote:

    Rafa said that he could build a championship winning side in 5 years, and he failed, (got close but, inevitably failed) so the yanks give him a new contract, love it. They have to be United fans at heart!

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  • 6. At 1:21pm on 22 Oct 2009, palace_mark wrote:

    I feel for Southgate.
    It is shocking that only a point off the top of the table is not quite good enough. I think that given that they are that close to the top, i think that you should have gone with him, at least until Christmas, as we all know that Christmas is the time that clubs go on a surge (us promotion season under Dowie *shudder*)
    Fair play, the only thing really keeping you in it is Adam Johnson, but then look at Liverpool without Gerrard, it is exactly the same!
    A shadow of the team that they should or could be!
    I can see a real merry go round, maybe Warnock to Notts County, and then Southgate back to Palace.
    I for one would not mind. Granted he is far from interesting, but Jordan would love having someone to boss around again, you just know it!
    As for Benitez, i have not once slated the man, but i think that he has been on borrowed time (and funding) for far too long. Any manager that can spend the amounts he has done, and have as little to show as he has, and have a squad which has the collective depth of a puddle should be given his marching orders!
    I have nothing more to say on Benitez, because the only thing that will be said will be "eh, eh, calm down, calm down, champions league blah blah"

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  • 7. At 1:25pm on 22 Oct 2009, bristolian_londoner wrote:

    I think Southgate's another example of why it's a bad idea to give ex-players major managerial roles without previous experience (or even coaching badges - derided as they are in this country, surely training's even more important if you've no experience of the job?). I'm surprised he's lasted this long as 'Boro have been on steady decline since he was employed. Sure, you can say he lacked the finances of previous 'Boro managers but other teams have survived in the Premier League with far fewer resources and when he did really splash out, the players weren't up to scratch.

    As a neutral I'd never really expected him to last the season. Admittedly I expected 'Boro to be struggling in mid-table by now but the fact they aren't and he's been sacked anyway does make you wonder if, for all his promises, Gibson had on some level already decided at the start of the season Southgate couldn't cut the mustard, almost hoped for a poor enough start to justify sacking him (with ample time for a replacement to climb the table) and then - when he didn't get it - sacked him despite their decent league position.

    Ultimately Southgate's had a tough job in tough circumstances and I sympathise with him and - in many ways - he's done well to keep Boro high in the promotion mix given newly-relegated teams often struggle at first. But nonetheless he wasn't good enough and I don't blame them for going for the change.

    Maybe Southgate can regroup and come back a stronger manager but he needs to spend time getting the education and experience at lower league or backroom level before coming back.

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  • 8. At 1:27pm on 22 Oct 2009, Macca wrote:

    #5 - I think Liverpool do have a Championship winning side. Just not a Premier League winning one.

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  • 9. At 1:30pm on 22 Oct 2009, charlie_9 wrote:

    Does anyone else find the sudden reappearance of klinsmann on our tele and our newspapers a little strange considering we was the gillett and hicks tried to employ not so long back. Or am i just bein a conspiracy theorist?? or maybe even an optimist??

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  • 10. At 1:31pm on 22 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Borro may be just 1 point off the lead in the Championship but they are NOT in the promotion zone. Getting their ass back to the EPL should (and is) there only goal this season. Good decision by the chairman.

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  • 11. At 1:32pm on 22 Oct 2009, bristolian_londoner wrote:

    #6 - I can see your logic about how it's shocking someone be sacked when at the top of the table but it's not as if it's a new manager we're talking about. Southgate's been there three years and hasn't really shown much sign he'd improve the team in the long-run.

    Even if Boro did go up, what then? With their current financial state not being what it was in the late 90s, and with Southgate's previous record, it'd be hard to see anything beyond seasons of yo-yoing with him in charge.

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  • 12. At 1:41pm on 22 Oct 2009, amazedfromthesouth wrote:

    Hi Robbo,

    I am a big fan of your blogs, but I can't believe that your backing the decision to sack G.S. Fair enough, like, if Boro were umpteen points behind and circling the drain of Championship. BUT COME ON!!!! You're only 1 point short of the top in 4th.

    Sounds like there's a load of you who seem to think that you're still a BIG club (ala Newcastle). I hoped that Boro would go straight back up and I think Gareth was the man to get you there. What's wrong with 4th at this stage of the season then? Or is this just the fact that Boro fans think it's their divine right to be in the Premier league (ala Newcastle)??

    Personally, I think he's been very unfairly treated and if this is the way 'fans' of Boro (ignore the vancant seats of htose numties who'll return only when Boro are back in top flight (ala Newcastle and Sunderland) think then he's better off elsewhere. Good luck to him 'n all.

    Just sounds like the wake up bell needs to resound quite loudly and that rather large cups of coffee need to be smelled. Get over yoursevles for heavens' sake.

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  • 13. At 1:42pm on 22 Oct 2009, TorbenPiechnick wrote:

    Never ceases to amaze me how reactionary and easily-led some are.

    We're 9 games into a season and in 4 games Rafa has gone from hero to zero. Yes, Liverpool have had a terrible start this season. Yes, losing Alonso was undoubtably a blow. But should we be even thinking about getting rid of Benitez... NO!!

    Get it into perspective. Best season in years last year, even with gerrard and torres sitting most of it out. Alonso gone (his choice) but Johnson looks a good signing and Aquilani, his replacement, not fit yet. Torres and Gerrard both missing for the last few games. Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, all dropping points and putting in poor performances. 1 win and we could be in 4th place.

    Wait till Christmas... if liverpool still outside the top 5, then some of this hyperbole and criticism might be justified. Until then, just calm down...

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  • 14. At 1:43pm on 22 Oct 2009, therealwiggy wrote:

    Do we really need another blog to turn into a Rafa bash?
    Liverpool have not become a bad side over the summer, just that the middle order of the premiership has got stronger.
    This has just lead to a far more interesting football season with suprise results everywhere not just on the red half of merseyside.
    Its a shame on our football leagues that sky have turned each and every result into an examanation of a managers ability - with the tabloids (not worth mentioning by name) following to fill the back pages from monday-friday.
    IMO Rafa is a top manager who will get it right for liverpool, hopefully with the owners selling up and getting someone in who delivers on the promises of a new groud etc.
    Wenger has now gone 5 season's with no silverware, yet arsenal fans may get disgruntled at times with his lack of spending, but deep down they know their club is in the best hands.
    Its still in Rafa we trust for me - a win on sunday will probably bring back a few of those who have been perswaded that football didnt exist before sky.

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  • 15. At 1:47pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    We need more of the previous 2 posters.

    More backing for Rafa please.

    SAVE RAFA!!

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  • 16. At 1:51pm on 22 Oct 2009, boomshakalak wrote:

    Its a shame that Southgate got sacked but ultimately if you are the manager of Middlesboro or any similar type club - then sadly you are eventually going to be sacked - as no matter what happens they will be an up and down club... supporters will think they are better than that and eventually no matter how good a job you are doing the supporters will get frustrated and either boo you or in southgates case - just stop turning up.... and when you have a club like middlesboro who have a massive stadium... but only 15 or so years ago were getting crowds under 10,000... it is a matter of time before the "Juninho", "Emerson", "Ravanelli" shirts become too old to wear to games and rather than buy a new one - the semi-fairweather fans then just give up watching....

    good luck to Southgate - and goodluck to Gibson who is also seemingly a decent bloke ... but middlesboro fans are arguably the worst in the country!

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  • 17. At 1:51pm on 22 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Gaz,anybody can take Keanno off our hands.92 teams in the 4 divisions,91 of them have won at least one game.I wonder what is going on behind the scenes at Boro to cause Gibson to give Gareth the Spanish archer?Still,at least Strachan will provide a good turn at the press conferences.The Championship is full of very similar sides(hence 4 points covering the top 10)so if the ginger magician can get a decent run going then Boro should go up with the Baggies.As for my lot,at least we'll play Norwich next season.

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  • 18. At 1:53pm on 22 Oct 2009, funnyLincolnIMP wrote:

    If Torres or Gerard got long term injuries I doubt they would have even a Championship winning side if performances like Sunderland or Lyon is all they can produce. Saying that form is temporary and class is permanent and it’s only a matter of time until they improve. They looked terrible in January last year after all and then really turned the style on after that.

    But saying that I really think Sunday is a massive day for Liverpool because if results go against them Villa, Spurs, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Utd will all have 6 point or greater leads on them. There is not a hope that Liverpool's performance will improve enough and all these teams form to drop enough to allow Liverpool to become Champions. And if their form does not improve significantly before Christmas come the New Year its not too much of a stretch to see them 10 points outside the top four!

    With all this in mind I think Rafa is in a precarious position. I would not sack him unless they did not qualify for the Champions League. As Middlesbrough have just proved though, there are no awards for being nice and it is a ruthless game.

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  • 19. At 1:54pm on 22 Oct 2009, oldstafford wrote:

    The right decision made at the right time. At the beginning of the season they were expected to struggle and many were predicting free fall. Who would want to take charge if he had sacked Southgate then? Now, one point off the top and a home win under their belt after poor home form it’s a better prospect for someone to takeover at the helm. Someone who is a proven top quality manager or …Gordon Strachan.

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  • 20. At 1:55pm on 22 Oct 2009, vanjoh wrote:

    "I can see a real merry go round, maybe Warnock to Notts County, and then Southgate back to Palace." (Palace Mark)
    Why stop there? Maradona to Liverpool, Zola to Chelsea, Harry back to West Ham, Kinsmann to Spurs, Rafa to Newcastle, Chris Hughton to Argentina.

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  • 21. At 1:59pm on 22 Oct 2009, easydawes wrote:

    I feel for Southgate and think he had a good chance of getting Boro up -the chance being Adam Johnson. I remember when Johnson played for us (Watford) on loan and he was so much better than anyone in that league, if we had kept him on loan for the season we would have gone up, instead of going on a terrible second half of the season run and dropping like a stone. When he left we realised that he had either set up or scored almost every one of our goals!!! We should have broke the bank to try to buy him off you.

    Championship is a tough league though (just ask Keano) and no one is going to run away with it. Even Newcastle, with what is half of a premiership side, are losing their share. Boro have got as good a chance as anyone.

    As for Liverpool, Benitez is learning the hard way that the Premiership is stronger this season. It isn't as easy to go half a season unbeaten with potential banana skins like Spurs, Sunderland and Man City. So I think they might slip out of the "top 4".

    If they keep Benitez and don't qualify for the Champions League, the £20m they had to pay Benitez off might seem like it would have been a good deal.

    The bad form has been translated to the Champions League and they've got some work to do. i think they can do it but they'll need to get Gerrard and Torres fit. I agree with you that the second string are second rate:

    "cos like tramps in a park, there's a lot of poverty on the bench".

    Classic!! Benayoun is looking like a superstar in that side. Worrying times...




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  • 22. At 2:01pm on 22 Oct 2009, boomshakalak wrote:

    On Liverpool - Rafa needs to be sacked ASAP.

    13. - it wasn't really Alonsos choice in the grand scheme of things- Rafa made it clear the season before that he wanted Alonso out and Barry in.... so Rafa was touting Alonso all around Europe but ultimately Alonso actually wanted to stay... his relationship with Rafa was then obviously really damaged and therefore i am not surprised that he wanted to leave.... i am sure any body would if they new they weren't wanted....

    Rafa has hugely underachieved at Liverpool - they are the most successful club in English/UK history and have massive player pulling power (look at the signing of Torres).... and he has had loads of money to spend.. and whilst i appreciate your optimism - you have just said "one win and we are in 4th place".... that is massively sad if such a great club are in any way not completely unhappy with that!

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  • 23. At 2:01pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    6. At 1:21pm on 22 Oct 2009, palace_mark wrote:

    "i think that you should have gone with him, at least until Christmas, as we all know that Christmas is the time that clubs go on a surge"

    Isn't there a rule that says the only person you give the sack to at christmas is Santa.
    On the positive side for GS, now that he's been sacked, he finally has a reason for the long face.

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  • 24. At 2:02pm on 22 Oct 2009, Chris Wilby wrote:

    I actually think neither manager written about in robbo's (excellent as always) blog is really up to scratch. Granted, Rafa won the CL, but I just can see 'Pool winning the PL any time soon. Let alone go on a run such as Man U's and win it several times in a row. 'Pool have some decent players in Benayoun, Kuyt (and Stevie and Nando, who are world class, obviously) but they seriously lack depth. Imo players such as Dosenna, Lucas, Johnson (not good as a defender),Babel, Ngog, Aurelio etc. aren't good enough for a team like L'pool. And all those players were bought by Rafa - who has bought many a bad player in his time at Anfield. Considering the money he has spent on mediocre players and not won enough for a team of L'pool's standard, I would seriously consider appointing another manager. I honestly have nothing against the pool, and wish them the best (as long as they don't finish above my (ex :'() local team) but I do think it's time for a change at Anfield. Looking forward to seeing them play Man U though! Should be a good match!

    As for Southgate, well imo he just hasn't got the charisma to be a good manager. I don't think for one minute he could inspire a team to victory when being a goal down at half time, for example. Then again, I don't know too much about his training methods and such, but I would support the chairman's decision if I were a boro fan!
    Strachan should do a decent job and get them promoted!

    Cheers all!

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  • 25. At 2:06pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Why? 'cos like tramps in a park, there's a lot of poverty on the bench.

    I absolutely love that. The thing is if he didn't discard players like a child discards perfectly good toys for a shiny new one all the time he may actually have won the title by now.

    The Americans have given him £226M to play with and he still can't win the league.

    Please please SAVE RAFA because like the Anfield anthem says.

    You'll never win the league again

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  • 26. At 2:06pm on 22 Oct 2009, Chris Wilby wrote:

    Just one more comment... well, a question actually. I went to see Liverpool play at Anfield a couple of years ago and was simply amazed by Anfield, the stadium! It was brilliant, great atmosphere. Is it really necessary to build a new stadium? This is an honest question as I haven't been keeping up to date with all the news on the stadium, but it just seems a shame to move away from such a great football arena! I had the same feeling about Highbury... I still miss it!

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  • 27. At 2:09pm on 22 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    At 1:47pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    We need more of the previous 2 posters.

    More backing for Rafa please.

    SAVE RAFA!!

    -----------------------------------------

    An Attenborough-esque appeal, in the same vein as the one you did the other week about Arsenal fans perhaps. ;)

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  • 28. At 2:14pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Absolutely Starfire.

    They really should worry when every single United fan I know doesn't want Rafa sacked. What does that say?!

    Arsene may have won nothing for 5 years (I like remidning you lot of that) but United fans realise that he can and probably will win the league again. Rafa won't, that's why we love him.

    We all hated the CL win when it happened but it actually is beginning to look more and more like a blessing in disguise. To think that a St. Steven dive was the catalyst for keeping Rafa at the club is mind-blowing.

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  • 29. At 2:14pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    H2H Rafa has hugely underachieved at Liverpool - they are the most successful club in English/UK history
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    Actually they're not they are about level with Utd as we have teh same leagues, more FA Cups, more world club cups, the super cup cup winners cup and more Shields, 3 doubles and a treble so I would say Utd are arguably Englands most successful club. Can't count Scotland because every year bar a few when SAF and a couple of other cheeky people forgot the rules Celtic & Rangers toss a coin at the start of the season to decide who gets to win the title then just stroll through the season.

    Wee Gordon Strachan's press conferences are likely to be amusing although we'll probably need a translator (especially when Wigan or Sunderland buy Adam Johnson in January.)

    Hopefully more fans will now turn up so the ground at least looks decently attended. (I've seen more crowded phone boxes in Antarctica than the Riverside when Boro are at home)

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  • 30. At 2:17pm on 22 Oct 2009, Jesus the Teddy Bear wrote:

    Rafa said that he could build a championship winning side in 5 years.



    and he has, I would put money on Liverpool winning the championship

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  • 31. At 2:18pm on 22 Oct 2009, Neilthedrillgodden wrote:

    I don’t think that Strachan should be considering the Boro job at the moment. Wait until Monday morning, and he might get Liverpool offering him a managerial position.

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  • 32. At 2:18pm on 22 Oct 2009, nastybrutishshort wrote:

    A couple of things.

    Southgate hasn't been sacked because we're not top. He's been sacked because of the numbingly miserable standard of football he's had his team peddling for the past few seasons.

    We don't think we have a divine right to be in the Premier League. In fact, I'm not even sure I want to be in it. We would, however, like to see some decent passing football.

    Boro fans are fickle are they? For not wanting to spend hard earned cash watching 90 minutes of rubbish every Saturday? I'd say that's pretty astute. Blind devotion to your team belongs in an era where footballers weren't paid astronomical sums for showing zero loyalty.

    Toodle pip.

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  • 33. At 2:19pm on 22 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    Better effort Robbo. I agree with most of what you say. You can argue that with Southgate he was only 1 point off top (you could even argue if you wanted that he would get them up) but looking at the team and his past performances its hard not to feel there are better candidates out there for the job. He seemed to lack that mental grit needed to be a good manager and he looks to me more like assistant manager materail than being the guy in the hot seat.

    Ive never been a huge fan of Rafas style. It worked out well enough at Valencia because he had the players that could fit the system but at Liverpool the side seems rudderless at times. Losing Gerrard and Torres simaltaneosly is obviously unlucky but it really underlines some of the problems in the squad.

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  • 34. At 2:21pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    29. At 2:14pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:
    H2H Rafa has hugely underachieved at Liverpool - they are the most successful club in English/UK history

    Adam, you know I would never say rubish like that. (other rubish, granted)

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  • 35. At 2:21pm on 22 Oct 2009, oldstafford wrote:

    Rafa is the best manager in the world! Leave him alone, well alone. He is doing just fine! His decision making is spot on and his team selections are outstanding ;) This morning I read on a made up website that he was interested in signing Ali Dia’s cousin for a substantial amount as cover for Torres when his inevitably injured. Might be worth Liverpool fans keeping an eye on that one...

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  • 36. At 2:24pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Robbo you say "Going for Gold", more like "Going for a Song": Always assuming, of course, that there will be a bidder for him at auction.

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  • 37. At 2:26pm on 22 Oct 2009, pidgeGULL wrote:

    I was enjoying this blog until you raided the cliche drawer for the last few paragraphs. I'm so glad that another journalist/blogger is telling me what I should be thinking about MY team, oh well, at least it's an original insight...

    Rafa must be terrible at signing players... I really can't understand why he'd buy an Italian international, Brazilian U-20 captain, Claire-fontaine wunderkind or pacey winger from Ajax. Aurelio and Johnson failures? Ha! Rafa's purchasing history only really looks bad in the light of two of the best transfer dealers ever (three if you include ol' Harry), and SAF was even interested in Lucas at the time.

    We have a lot of problems right now, but people need to get a grip. Stop banging this same old drum!

    and before anyone digs into the Aquilani signing, it's £5 million up front, up to £20 million depending on appearances.

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  • 38. At 2:27pm on 22 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Maybe Going for a Burton? Doubt Burton would have him for a manager right now, mind. I doubt Burtons would to be honest.

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  • 39. At 2:28pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Robbro - didn't have time to read the whole blog, had to skim it.

    caught the orange slice gag - quite funny....saw that you've wisely brought Strachan in to pull the strings from the midfield - congrads; he's a tiger out there - good player...then a section about Benitez - i assume he's your new manager? interesting choice!

    did i get it in a nutshell? ;]

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  • 40. At 2:29pm on 22 Oct 2009, Chris Wilby wrote:

    PidgeGuLL if Rafa had taken the time to actually see Babel play at Ajax, just as I have over the past few seasons, he would have realised that he was definitely not L'pool material. Unless, of course, he and the scouts don't have an eye for talent, which I seriously doubt.

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  • 41. At 2:31pm on 22 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    #37
    When people say that there's a no old drum being banged it's usually cos the old drum has stood the test of time and seems pretty reliable. Rafa has a huge number of players come through his turnstiles and not too many of them, regardless of their supposed pedigree have turned out to be much more than mediocre. Don't get me wrong, Boro'd love to have Ngog and Babel... but we're not looking to win the Prem this season.

    As for the 20 million for Aquilani based on appearances. Well that means that currently they've got 20 million. Spend, spend spend!

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  • 42. At 2:33pm on 22 Oct 2009, ControlledMagic wrote:

    I'm with the realwiggy AND Gaz on this. Go figure. What I mean is that Phil McNulty's blog on Tuesday turned into a savage-Rafafest (FACT); I stopped reading it at about #53 as dipper after dipper had lined up to say how bad he was (with, I think, one exception). Mind you, I did like the "spent five years assembling a squad of 2" quip.

    Anyway, I'm now going off topic so hope the mods let me survive.....

    Chelsea are appealing their transfer ban. Incidentally, does that mean that they cannot SELL players either? If not, and if the ban is suspended until after their appeal, thereby allowing them to buy players in January, cna we expect Abramovich to spend £200m or so buying pretty much every 14, 16, etc year old in January just to ensure they cover the bases? (along with, one would assume, a few more seasoned players).

    Just thinking aloud.....well, you know what I mean.

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  • 43. At 2:33pm on 22 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Perhaps Liverpool's scouts are just that - scouts. If you see some kid in a woggle and a beret at your local side, look out, Rafa's got his eye on your boys!

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  • 44. At 2:34pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Did anyone read JDR - I am in shock, still coming to terms with it. Unstinting praise for Robbo backed up with sound football points.

    I think I'll have a drink of orange juice to revitalise my shocked system.

    #37 SAF may have been interested in Lucas but you may have noticed didn't choose to follow that up with a purchase. Rafa has been through more left-backs than Ashley Cloe's hairdresser and unlike her some of them were actually good.

    As for Aquilani, he may or may not be good but his injury tracck record is bad and he won't save your season. No Europe for you next year (and maybe after Christmas if you don't win 2 of your last 3 CL games)

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  • 45. At 2:34pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Great blog Robbo!!!

    It's about money, it's all about money and your point about the large gatherings of plastic seats is the key to this whole affair. They don't clap, sing or buy any merchandise or refreshment. A new manager will give a bit of a bump and if they keep playing well then a new roll begins and the books being balanced won't be such a big worry as there'll be bums in those seats and the hope of a new era returns.

    The irony of it all is that they flogged half the team, no wonder the fans have stayed away! Probably doesn't help that they were largely, er, not so good to begin with. It's all McClaren's fault.

    Besides that, I can't join in any discussion about Rafa (or Kenny Dalglish). I'm highly sensitive to TommyO's feelings and he's been through the mill this last week and deserves at least some relief. Who knows, they might beat Man U, I know, I know, I can hear you all saying "if Bolton couldn't beat 'em what chance have Liverpool got?" I agree (especially without Ian Rush) but the point is, stranger things have happened, funny old game!

    The most important point I took from your blog this time is the correct spelling of "Trappist" and that after all the beer talk over the last few blogs, we live and learn. So, as ever, insightful, provocative and educational.

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  • 46. At 2:35pm on 22 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    28. At 2:14pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    They really should worry when every single United fan I know doesn't want Rafa sacked. What does that say?!


    that every United fan you know is a fickle, sky-generation, knee-jerk moron, i suspect.


    Were you desperate for Rafa to stay in charge at Anfield earlier this year when Liverpool were smashing United at Old Trafford and chasing the title down to the wire?

    'course not.

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  • 47. At 2:36pm on 22 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    Rafa must be terrible at signing players... I really can't understand why he'd buy an Italian international, Brazilian U-20 captain, Claire-fontaine wunderkind or pacey winger from Ajax. Aurelio and Johnson failures? Ha! Rafa's purchasing history only really looks bad in the light of two of the best transfer dealers ever (three if you include ol' Harry), and SAF was even interested in Lucas at the time.
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    Well youd have to wonder why hes not making it work then. Hes either buying duds or else cant make them fit the system. Either way it makes him look bad. Any team will suffer without their two best players (3 if you consider Alonso) but my view is its more of a systems failing than the players being bad. Too many players have gone there and looked so ordinary.

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  • 48. At 2:38pm on 22 Oct 2009, Paul Curtis wrote:

    Well said TorbenPiechnik! I am a liverpool fan and agree that some fans are losing perspective. Let Rafa manage, I think he will turn it round and we will be there by Xmas. Some folk have ridiculously short memories. If we had won the last 4 games the same people would be saying the premiership and Champs league are effectively won.

    The more insane fans are saying Dagleish should be manager!!! He has been out of management for years, the game has moved on. See also, his time at Celtic! I love Kenny, but it would only make Utd and Chelsea smirk with glee if he became LFC manager!

    Keep the Faith.

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  • 49. At 2:39pm on 22 Oct 2009, Paul Curtis wrote:

    Oh and Robbo, What about Reina? A bad signing?

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  • 50. At 2:39pm on 22 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    Cases in point leading on from JDR's last post, Robbie Keane and Peter Crouch. Harry's got both of them banging in goals for fun at Spurs this year, yet at the 'Pool nether of them got much of a look in.

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  • 51. At 2:40pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Tommy do you want a beach ball to play with or was it you that threw it on the pitch at Sunderland and that's why you've been hiding.

    Let's all sing

    99 Red Balloons
    Sitting in pepe's six yard area
    99 Red balloons
    Glenn Johnson couldn't tell the difference
    99 Red balloons
    Reina forgets which ball to save
    99 Red Balloons
    Allowing Darren Bent to score again

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  • 52. At 2:42pm on 22 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    Have a look at
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2009013111549AADuWXt
    for a list of rafa's signings up to jan 29th.Then send in the truffle pigs to see what they can sniff out!

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  • 53. At 2:43pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #50 excellent point starfire

    Also you may remember he turned Fernando Morientes from being one of Europes top strikers at Real Madrid to looking like Jon Stead

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  • 54. At 2:45pm on 22 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    29. At 2:14pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Actually they're not they are about level with Utd as we have teh same leagues, more FA Cups, more world club cups, the super cup cup winners cup and more Shields, 3 doubles and a treble so I would say Utd are arguably Englands most successful club.


    and remarkably you'd be wrong for the umpteenth time on Robbos blogs

    Liverpool have 40 major trophies to their name, United have 36

    i'm not counting glorified friendlies (Charity Shield, Super Cups, Lancashire Senior Cup etc)

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  • 55. At 2:46pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    At 2:35pm on 22 Oct 2009, TommyOnion wrote:
    28. At 2:14pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    They really should worry when every single United fan I know doesn't want Rafa sacked. What does that say?!


    that every United fan you know is a fickle, sky-generation, knee-jerk moron, i suspect.


    Were you desperate for Rafa to stay in charge at Anfield earlier this year when Liverpool were smashing United at Old Trafford and chasing the title down to the wire?

    'course not.


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    Tommy your calculator seems to be broken again, because your formulas simply don't add up.

    How does a United fan be fickle for wanting Rafa to stay?

    And yes, every one that I know still wanted him there even after you beat us last season. Why? Because we know that he will not win the league.

    The odd win over us (very odd, check your records, not the Erasure ones the football ones) is acceptable as long as it keeps Rafa there. It's a long war Tommy, not just a single battle.

    Besides Fergie told Vidic to have a mare last season just so as you lot would be happy and keep Rafa there, he may do it again this Sunday.

    SAVE RAFA!

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  • 56. At 2:47pm on 22 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    50. At 2:39pm on 22 Oct 2009, Starfire_995 wrote:

    Cases in point leading on from JDR's last post, Robbie Keane and Peter Crouch. Harry's got both of them banging in goals for fun at Spurs this year, yet at the 'Pool nether of them got much of a look in.



    The Keane signing didn't work out, Crouch wouldn't sign a new contract


    c'est la vie

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  • 57. At 2:48pm on 22 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    I'm also begining to wonder if there's something with Spanish managers in general. Rafa had rave reviews with Valencia yet here while he's not cracked the league he has brought silverware home.

    Same with Juande Ramos. He had a blinding time at Sevilla yet when he came to Spurs he won us the Carling cup yet sold off many of our best players.

    We went from hitting 5th for two years in the row to mid table obscurity in his first year and the second he had us nailed to the foot of the table before we got rid of him.

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  • 58. At 2:48pm on 22 Oct 2009, LABSAB9 wrote:

    Robbo Robson wrote: And it's too easy to stop Ngog.

    Robbo that sir is pure genius!!

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  • 59. At 2:49pm on 22 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    51. At 2:40pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Tommy do you want a beach ball to play with or was it you that threw it on the pitch at Sunderland and that's why you've been hiding.



    Hiding ?


    i'm here you pillock

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  • 60. At 2:52pm on 22 Oct 2009, pidgeGULL wrote:

    The same old drum which was being banged at Christmas last year. The same drum which would have written off Yossi as a journeyman makeweight a year ago. Its the drum of hindsight, certainly not wit and insight, which I'm pretty sure is meant to be the point of these blogs.

    I'd love to see Voronin, Degen, Lucas, Babel and N'Gog offloaded, and I'd like to see Adriano appear as striking back up but as a Liverpool fan I can say that I can see the underlyng rationale behind Rafa's signings (many of which have been youth signings) unlike some of his predecessors, and I know that going on about this is a waste of time, it's October. Rafa must stay, and not because of financial troubles, just because he is the man for the job. The only people I could see superceding his achievements right now are Mancini (who wouldn't be able to work with this squad but could build it into his with time) and Hiddink, who's busy.

    If we go out of the CL then I look forward to thrashing the toffees in Hamburg next May :P

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  • 61. At 2:53pm on 22 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    55. At 2:46pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    How does a United fan be fickle for wanting Rafa to stay?

    And yes, every one that I know still wanted him there even after you beat us last season. Why? Because we know that he will not win the league.

    The odd win over us (very odd, check your records, not the Erasure ones the football ones) is acceptable as long as it keeps Rafa there. It's a long war Tommy, not just a single battle.

    Besides Fergie told Vidic to have a mare last season just so as you lot would be happy and keep Rafa there, he may do it again this Sunday.

    SAVE RAFA!




    I'm sure you were all saying that when he guided us to our 5th European Cup win too. To be honest, what you and the manc sections of Ireland have to say on the matter i couldn't give two figs for.

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  • 62. At 2:54pm on 22 Oct 2009, Chris Wilby wrote:

    now now, calm down, no need for name-calling and antagonising eachother. This is supposed to be a nice place for discussion on anything football related :-)

    pfff... time doesn't really fly at work, does it?

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  • 63. At 2:55pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #56 And why wouldn't Crouch sign a new contract - because he wasn't getting a chance under Rafa and didn't want to warm the bench every time.

    Robbie Keane should have worked out but Rafa rarely played him up front with Torres and didn't have the patience to work with him.

    Is the World Club Cup a glorified friendly because you've never won it and we have

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  • 64. At 2:55pm on 22 Oct 2009, SenorBlobby wrote:

    Boro might only be 1 point off the top of the Championship, but if they'd won their last three home games - not unreasonable to expect of promotion candidates - they'd be EIGHT points clear.

    Sacking offence?

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  • 65. At 2:57pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    59. At 2:49pm on 22 Oct 2009, TommyOnion wrote:
    51. At 2:40pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Tommy do you want a beach ball to play with or was it you that threw it on the pitch at Sunderland and that's why you've been hiding.



    Hiding ?

    -------

    over the last 4 days you've been as anonymous as Voronin during a big game.

    3 posts to say we wuz robbed before bottling any debate about teh beach ball, the fact that Gary Neville's return has resulted in 2 victories and if injury & form have anything to do with it may yet replace Glenn Johnson on teh plane to South Africa

    So yes - Hiding/ lurking cvall it what you want but you bottled the last blog Mr Pill.ock

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  • 66. At 2:58pm on 22 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    60. At 2:52pm on 22 Oct 2009, pidgeGULL wrote:



    exactly - except for the Mancini stuff.



    Benitez is one of the Top managers in World Football the idea of one of the others - Mourinho/Hiddink wanting to take over with the utter shambles of the Gillet/Hicks situation ongoing is simply a non-starter.

    I wonder what all these gloating mancs were saying about Ferguson when he only had a League/FA Cup to show for his first 6 seasons in charge of United?

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  • 67. At 2:59pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    At 2:53pm on 22 Oct 2009, TommyOnion wrote:

    I'm sure you were all saying that when he guided us to our 5th European Cup win too. To be honest, what you and the manc sections of Ireland have to say on the matter i couldn't give two figs for.


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    Hmmmmm. Interesting. That must be why you insist on replying to me every single time.

    Like I said earlier the CL win was a blessing in disguise, it was hard at the time but it's the only thing keeping Rafa there (well apart from some brainless fans) so it's turned out for the best.

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  • 68. At 2:59pm on 22 Oct 2009, Chris Wilby wrote:

    PidgeGULL, I understand your point, but that would mean Rafa is signing players based purely on reputation 'a winger from Ajax' 'Brasil U20 captain' Claire Fontaine wunderkind'. Surely he must have watched them play several times before singing them? Anyway, let's hope for a great match against Man U. Despite pool not being in the best shape, I wouldn't dare place a bet on who wins!

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  • 69. At 3:00pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    I'm a tad slow on the uptake Robbo. Burton's might take him either as an exhibit or as manager of their excellent museum.

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  • 70. At 3:00pm on 22 Oct 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    Got to go with Gaz United. I am joining the Save Rafa crusade. He is a very stubborn manager whose formation and tactics dumbfound most people. If he stays, he will come back and win games but he will unfailingly make blips along the way.
    Tommy O, we dont mind another team doing the double over us as long as the trophy comes to our cabinet. After all, you dont get a medal for doing a double over someone or coming second. Also the new trophy cabinet in Anfield Pool bought after Rafa won the CL looks a little threadbare. Maybe you can sell it to us seeing our old one is too full :)

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  • 71. At 3:00pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    I forgot...


    SAVE RAFA!

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  • 72. At 3:00pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    62. At 2:54pm on 22 Oct 2009, jollygunnerinholland wrote:
    now now, calm down, no need for name-calling and antagonising eachother. This is supposed to be a nice place for discussion on anything football related :-)

    I think they,re actually being quiet cival this time. No one's been modded (yet)

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  • 73. At 3:00pm on 22 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    63. At 2:55pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #56 And why wouldn't Crouch sign a new contract - because he wasn't getting a chance under Rafa and didn't want to warm the bench every time.


    So now he warms the bench at Spurs



    Robbie Keane should have worked out but Rafa rarely played him up front with Torres and didn't have the patience to work with him.

    cos Torres injured for huge chunks of that time


    Is the World Club Cup a glorified friendly because you've never won it and we have

    The European Super Cup is a glorified friendly - we've won that 3 times and you've won it once - who cares?

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  • 74. At 3:02pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #60 - Rafa may be signing youth and that is a good policy but all that will happen is Dalglish will develop them and Rafa will destroy their confidence. Remember that kid from Lincoln they bout a couple of seasons ago? Raha sent him out on loan for 2 years then binned hium without the kid ever getting a chance and there are several more examples that they daily mail ferreted out that were similar

    #61 - if you couldn't give 2 figs why do you reply - probably because like Al Gore said it is An Inconvenient Truth

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  • 75. At 3:03pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    It's early days H2H!

    TommyO - won't you give us some of your pearls of wisdom on the Daily Mail article I posted last night? £229 million and 70 players hardly seems like a lack of funds or failure to give the manager what he wants does it?


    (It's so difficult this, you can't help yourself to try and show up how deluded the Scousers are and how rubbish Rafa is but you want him to stay)


    SAVE RAFA!

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  • 76. At 3:07pm on 22 Oct 2009, Chris Wilby wrote:

    Wow, I'll do some overtime to see what the comments which get modded are like! :-)

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  • 77. At 3:07pm on 22 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    I think Benitez is fairly regimented and rigid in his approach to his team. He likes them to be quite defensively sound above all. His Valencia side was a very good side but they had the right balance to it and had players capable of multitasking - guys like Baraja, Albeda, Mendieta etc could all do a bit of everything in a way that the likes of Kuyt, Babel, Mascherano, Lucas etc cant - just not enough creativity. To be fair Benayoun has stepped up a bit in that regard this year but its something that is lacking.

    The pace in Spain was slighlty lower tempo and over there teams tend to "play" more even when faced against the big sides. This suited Benitez. In England theres a much more backs to the wall mentality from teams when faced with the big four and Liverpool struggle to beak this down more than the other top teams.

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  • 78. At 3:08pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #73 - Then why couldn't rafa get the best out if him? He even played Ngog ahead of Keane in a couple of games and Ngog flopped but still Robbie didn't get games. And given how often Torres gets injured surely havinga nother decent striker on the books might have been a good idea.

    Also I think you'll find Crouch gets more minutes per game at Spurs than he ever did at anfield and at least Harry makes him and Robbie feel valued.

    And surprise surprise they are both scoring goals for him (albeit Crouch is more utilised oin cup games) and are above LFC in the table.

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  • 79. At 3:09pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Another good point from JDR - shame mendieta struggled for fitness at the Boro

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  • 80. At 3:11pm on 22 Oct 2009, pidgeGULL wrote:

    jolly, I'm sure he did, I'm fairly ignorant of Babel's exploits in Holland, but if he went to see him he probably would've spotted pace, technique, a good shot and tonnes of potential (pretty much the same with N'Gog and Lucas, albeit with different attributes to their respectives games). What they may not have seen is how selfish/shortsighted/weak-willed they can be, which would remove them from first team football for much of the time, Babel has since gone to the press and whinged and moaned and STILL not taken his chances when given them. I don't find it an indictment of those involved for them not to have picked up on this while scouting.

    It's only since Parry has left that major behind the scenes changes have been allowed anyway. There will be more youth players coming through, personally I'm excited about Spearing, Kelly, Pacheco and Nemeth.

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  • 81. At 3:13pm on 22 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    Indeed, Harry's got the blessing of three international strikers all hitting form and banging in goals right now. Hell he's even gotten Gomes playing like the world class keeper he used to be.

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  • 82. At 3:14pm on 22 Oct 2009, ******~Mr RAM~L.F.C. & B.D.~****** wrote:

    As an ardent Liverpool supporter I believe some and even too many fellow reds devotees have been too acutely enduring in their unwavering conviction in Rafa Benitez's management style and potential to produce success (silverware; 2nd place means jack). Perhaps the night in Istanbul (though the greatest game I've ever witnessed- I was there that night) has somewhat negatively impacted on our longer term success. Why do I think this?

    Simply because the ineradicable memories of such a monumental achievment have blurred many Liverpool supporters from realising that Benitez has a made a habit of making poor decisions; most notably his pessimistic, late, illogical, futile and often, anticlimatic substitutions. He's always criticised for his obvious lack of concerted success in the transfer market but many fail to highlight his most obvious and most persistent flaw; substitutions that just defy belief.

    Benitez lost a lot of my already wavering respect last season when he foolishly confronted and challenged Ferguson. Liverpool suffered as a direct consequence; there is no doubt there. Benitez is slowly revealing himself to be one of those managers who demand respect before deservedly warranting it. Arrogance is a trait Benitez is in no position to express. Ferguson and Wenger have earned their status, Benitez is a decade of continued success or at least solid progression away from them.

    I want Benitez to succeed but really have lost faith in him and Liverpools current state is beginning to turn football into a bitter thing for me. I hope Benitez achieves success at his next club because I can't see him doing this at Liverpool this season (and dare I jinx us, the season after). We need a solid manger who oozes respect without needing try. David Moyes would be ideal but unlikely to arrive at Anfield due to a combination of factors which I'm sure most football enthusiasts can work out. Perhaps one of our living 'legends' can step forward. Forget experience and attention to the finer, insignificant deteails, we need a manager with a common-sense-approach.

    I really hope Rafa can prove me wrong and fix the many wrongs(I can't see how he's going to fix his lack of common sense though!). Please do so Rafa but I'm rarely proven wrong!

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  • 83. At 3:16pm on 22 Oct 2009, pidgeGULL wrote:

    clarification for #80
    I'm sure he scouted them, not signed them on rep :P

    Jack Hobbs failed to acheive the levels of fitness expected. That's professionalism on Rafa's part not to compromise and to set out a disciplined stall for the kids trying to get through, make it easy to get in and it wouldn't be worth it. It's a shame but he's better off now and so are we.

    I DO however think it's a shame that Guthrie went after his good season with Bolton, but we got a good offer for him.

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  • 84. At 3:16pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    what a surprise...a bunch of Mancs (plus one Irish bandwagoner) pile on a supporter while he's down, with a flurry of childish bragging and ceaseless trophy counting.

    yawn...it's about as repetitive as JDR's old wind-ups.

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  • 85. At 3:18pm on 22 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    65. At 2:57pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    59. At 2:49pm on 22 Oct 2009, TommyOnion wrote:
    51. At 2:40pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Tommy do you want a beach ball to play with or was it you that threw it on the pitch at Sunderland and that's why you've been hiding.



    Hiding ?

    -------

    over the last 4 days you've been as anonymous as Voronin during a big game.

    3 posts to say we wuz robbed before bottling any debate about teh beach ball, the fact that Gary Neville's return has resulted in 2 victories and if injury & form have anything to do with it may yet replace Glenn Johnson on teh plane to South Africa

    So yes - Hiding/ lurking cvall it what you want but you bottled the last blog Mr Pill.ock



    I was the first poster on the last blog, i posted the first 3 posts then a further 4 times after that - how is that hiding, you utter berk !!!?!
    I do have a job to do, you know, i can't sit here like you and Gaz hitting refresh every thirty seconds.

    Just so you know - i'm off to do some work now, that alright?

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  • 86. At 3:18pm on 22 Oct 2009, ******~Mr RAM~L.F.C. & B.D.~****** wrote:

    A really bold statement would be to sack him after we beat Man U on Sunday! If only we had a chairman like Southgate's former!

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  • 87. At 3:18pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Robbo Robson wrote - "The biggest shock this week was how many of the Champions League matches were interesting, not least that bloke Rubin Kazan turning over Barca."

    Robbo, was that bloke the genie in Alladin or one of Ali Baba's 40 thieves? I'm not sure which.

    Now I think about it maybe he was both, I certainly thought it was magic how they stole all 3 points.

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  • 88. At 3:18pm on 22 Oct 2009, My-back-pocket wrote:

    istn it just lovely watching L'pool struggle?..oh the joy! i cant wait for Sunday...come on Owen stick the knife in son! :D

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  • 89. At 3:19pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    And to think that we NEVER hear about a certain invincible season. How could we do such a thing. I mean imagine it, football fans giving the opposition stick because they are failing. Whatever will there be next.

    Please no more sensible Scousers like #82, we can't have you and TommyB coming on here with your common sense. It will defeat the cause.

    SAVE RAFA!

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  • 90. At 3:20pm on 22 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    #86

    I might pop down to the bookies, see what odds they'll give me for that.
    I've seen worse ways of wasting money.

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  • 91. At 3:21pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Make sure and work hard TommyO.

    Perhaps when you finish you can give us your thoughts on the Daily Mail article.

    Although I presume not.

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  • 92. At 3:21pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    At 3:20pm on 22 Oct 2009, Starfire_995 wrote:
    #86

    I might pop down to the bookies, see what odds they'll give me for that.
    I've seen worse ways of wasting money.


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    So you've been at The Emirates then have you Starfire?

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  • 93. At 3:22pm on 22 Oct 2009, pidgeGULL wrote:

    "Perhaps one of our living 'legends' can step forward. Forget experience and attention to the finer, insignificant deteails, we need a manager with a common-sense-approach."

    you want Souness back or something?

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  • 94. At 3:22pm on 22 Oct 2009, FurryHaze wrote:

    Hilarious column! You've outdone yourself this time Robbo.

    Surprised you'd like to see Strachan at the helm, but I've never really rated Southgate. How about giving a Ravanelli or a Juninho their first managerial position?!

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  • 95. At 3:23pm on 22 Oct 2009, My-back-pocket wrote:

    "Liverpool can't compete right now. Why? 'cos like tramps in a park, there's a lot of poverty on the bench. Rafa's biggest failing as a manager is his acquisitions. Torres and Mascherano apart, he can't pick a player."

    ^ good enough to be a facebook status me thinks..

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  • 96. At 3:25pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Tommy - I also have a job to do but as I use teh phone a lot when it is ringing out I can hit refresh - even so 7 posts out of 530 seems pretty much like a bottle job.

    Or do you actually just bottle stuff for a job. Oh look dissappearing when the conversation isn't going your way - Time to hide (which will continue when utd thrash you on Sunday)

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  • 97. At 3:31pm on 22 Oct 2009, Jeimuzu wrote:

    He took over a team which finished runners up in the UEFA cup. We're now 4th in the championship, a position which frankly flatters our success this season so far. If we'd lost yesterday we'd have been tenth.

    I don't blame Gareth. I blame Steve Gibson. He appointed Gareth in the first place, which was foolish. I'd have given a lot to have seen a skilled manager take over with Gareth as his number 2. Personally, I expect to see Gareth drop down a division and absolutely blitz it. Fact is he's not been terrible. He's just not been a premier league manager, he's managed like a talented man out of his depth. He made the best of it, and I think he's done a lot of work for Middlesbrough. It's just a shame we took him on with no experience and completely wrecked his reputation for the next few years.

    Gibbo, get it sorted! You're not providing the masses of finance that other teams have received, so at least get a manager who knows his job!

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  • 98. At 3:37pm on 22 Oct 2009, thedoctorhst wrote:

    Will you all calm down and leave rafa alone!
    The man hasn't become a bad manager (never was)he's just suffering from some bad form at the minute. A win on Sunday, and all will be back on track.
    He's rejuvinated a squad that was nowhere near winning the title back in 2005, and in the 2008-09 season finished runner up, with a staggering 86 points which would on any other occasion, lift the Premiership!
    He was left without Gerrard and Torres for a significant period of time last season and look at the way in which Liverpool played after January? Brilliant flowing, attacking football, which helped amass those points, with players that are there now,(granted no Alonso, wait for Aqualani).
    He was in a similar position in the Champions League in 2005, and if somebody had of said that he was gonna win it... they would have been brought to a mental institution and told to have a word with themselves.
    The only reason for the Rafa bashing is our society has become very fickle and instant success is lauded over stability and progress, two traits which Rafa has brought to Liverpool, no arguments. Period.
    Ferguson didn't have a lot of success with Utd straight away, but over time was given a platform for sucess.
    Forget what Andy Gray and Richard Keys predicts on the Last Word next Sunday, and dont buy any tabloids for the next month. Then come back and argue points of football, not the latest round of propaganda washing over us, making us come up with utter rubbish like Rafa is crap, and Torres and Gerrard are the only two in the Liverpool squad.
    Y.N.W.A.

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  • 99. At 3:38pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpenrod wrote:

    Liverpool need more fans like tommyonion!

    SAVE RAFA!

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  • 100. At 3:39pm on 22 Oct 2009, Eddy Cordoza wrote:

    I'm not sure whether it was intentional but there is an interesting parallel between Southgate and the current Liverpool situation.

    Southgate was backed to the hilt by Gibson and the board, given money and time and it just hasn't worked. He seems a nice bloke and delivered moderate success (including that Maccerone inspired comeback) but the loyalty didn't pay off.

    As a United fan, one of the things I quite admire about Liverpool is that they don't do kneejerk reactions and sack managers when the going gets rough. They've given Benitez time AND money but they're miles off being contenders this year and their squad looks wafer thin. Yet the board and the Liverpool fans stick by him unstintingly.

    Blind loyalty didn't work for Boro and I suspect it won't for Liverpool either. I hope I'm proven wrong - I enjoyed the tussle last season against a resurgent Liverpool but it seems to me that the club is only heading in one direction.

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  • 101. At 3:41pm on 22 Oct 2009, ZEUSFC wrote:

    'Good to see some of the regulars having a good old pop at each other this week, when JDR is finally talking some football sense and not wasting his and our time (shame on you Gaz for trying to wind him up in your first post)... and I too agree with him , Keane and Crouch were inspired transfers, are playing better than ever (ironically, though so is Darren Bent too!)
    Personally I think Strachan is an excellent choice for 'boro, and probably will be able to guide them to, and keep them in, the Premier League.
    as for Liverpool, I'm joining the "save Rafa" bandwagon too; even hardened super-scousers will tell you that it's an awful long time since the "five trophies" season, and he's achieved nothing since... long may he reign :)

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  • 102. At 3:43pm on 22 Oct 2009, thedoctorhst wrote:

    @89: Utd are rubbish, Berba is lazy. Ferguson is a ref-baitin codger that acts like a spoilt child when things dont go his way.
    informality, ahhhh just like my slippers. comfy AND smelly.

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  • 103. At 3:52pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    98 wrote, "stability and progress, two traits which Rafa has brought to Liverpool, no arguments. Period."

    I think your stability is your whole problem at this moment, as for progress, seems to me you're going in the wrong direction.

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  • 104. At 3:52pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Y.N.W.A.
    - you forgot to insert "the league" between W fr win and A for again

    acts like a spoilt child when things dont go his way.

    And rafa never does - fact sheets anyone

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  • 105. At 3:53pm on 22 Oct 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    102. At 3:43pm on 22 Oct 2009, thedoctorhst wrote:
    @89: Utd are rubbish, Berba is lazy. Ferguson is a ref-baitin codger that acts like a spoilt child when things dont go his way.
    informality, ahhhh just like my slippers. comfy AND smelly.

    Keep bashing Berba. At the end of the day, his touch and control is better than any current Liverpool player. And why would you call a team rubbish that cant stop winning trophies?? I think you call a team rubbish that hasnt won anything in a while :)

    And plz dont slate Fergie. He has earned the right via the trophy cabinet to behave like a spolied child whenever, unlike other managers...

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  • 106. At 3:56pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Sorry Zeus, I can't resist. He never takes the bait anyway. It's serious or nothing with our Joe. It's kind of like the SAVE RAFA bandwagon, he sort of has his "MAKE THIS BLOG McNULTYESQUE" campaign. It just ain't gonna happen.

    And that's more like it from TheDoctor #102, that's what being a fan is all about.

    SAVE RAFA!

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  • 107. At 3:57pm on 22 Oct 2009, My-back-pocket wrote:

    102 - the whole l'pool team is rubbish apart from a couple of groin strained players...

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  • 108. At 3:58pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    can we combine Save Rafa with Gary Neville for England

    That'll really wind TommyO up

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  • 109. At 3:58pm on 22 Oct 2009, Macca wrote:

    RE: Boro's chances this season...

    I can't see any team running away with the Championship title this season and I'd not be surprised to see the final automatic spot and play-off spots sealed on the last day of the season again.

    Boro' are in a real dog fight and need someone to inspire them, Southgate doesn't strike me as the guy that can do it. With Strachan they should be contenders for automatic spot.

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  • 110. At 4:00pm on 22 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    I wouldnt call Benetiz a bad manager by any stretch - his work at Valencia was very good but how he is measured over his last 5 or so years depends on expectations. Would most fans have settled for a Champions League and a second place? Im sure many would.

    My problem with him is he just doesnt seem flexible enough and I think his man management is questionable. Hes made failures out of alot of players who have either been good before, good after or both - Thinking of Keane, Crouch, Bellamy and a host of signings that havent really sparkled. The Alonso issue was bizzare and it seems amazing that Benitez didnt recognise the full importance of him til it was too late.

    They had a fair spell last year when they had their 3 best fit and played some good stuff but still came up short and it must be noted that Utd had their fair share of injuries at the back aswell.

    Im just a big fan of the way the Liverpool side is set up as it has a feeling of a square pegs round holes at times that just doesnt balance. To be fair to Benitez losing Torres and Gerrard simataneosly is as bad as gets but even with them back and fit, providing Aquilani doesnt turn out to be even better than Alonso, the team still lacks a bit of shape or balance and I suspect part of this is Benitez unwilling to adjust his rigid strategy.

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  • 111. At 4:01pm on 22 Oct 2009, My-back-pocket wrote:

    ooh i remember a certain debate last time...about a certain Mr Scholes playing for england again... his passing and vision last night was of the highest quality...SCHOLES FOR ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!

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  • 112. At 4:03pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Adam as I have stated in the past I have no problem with the Gary Neville for England campaign. As an Irish man.

    As long as you don't persist with the Neville for United campaign then we are ok.

    (Yes he played the last 2 matches but during them he was at fault for the Bolton goal and last night had one of his classic "hand in the air when I am clearly playing the man onside" moments which nearly lead to a CSKA goal.

    He is awful. So for England? Yes, absolutely.)

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  • 113. At 4:03pm on 22 Oct 2009, northernsuperspur wrote:

    "Dossena is a non-tackling Italian defender. I mean you've got to look blinking hard to find one of them."

    Love it.

    Actually I'm in the camp that thinks Liverpool will probably roll up to Old Trafford and win on sunday, not based on form or logic, but just due to one of those quirks of football (and assuming Torres is in one piece to torment Vidic all afternoon again).

    I certainly wouldnt be sacking Rafa Benitez, since you'd have to question who is available out there that could actually do a better job.

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  • 114. At 4:03pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    SAVE RAFA!

    (Have to stop forgetting that)

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  • 115. At 4:04pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    " Actually I'm in the camp that thinks Liverpool will probably roll up to Old Trafford and win on sunday"

    It might be the only way they will get a win.

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  • 116. At 4:06pm on 22 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    #98,I think Rafa has taken Liverpool as far as he can.They should have won the league last season,but dropped far too many points in winnable games(eg Stoke at home).Even though Man Utd had a poor record(relatively)against the top 7 they did the double over everybody else(except Newcastle!)Looking at the development of Liverpool's squad there has been a lack of continuity.This will also apply to Chelsea over the next few seasons as their squad ages.At least with Arsenal you can see the method Wenger has in place.If they develop as they should they will be league winners again.Over the last 10 to 15 years Fergie has not been afraid to get rid of players to develop his team,which is one reason for their long term success.Liverpool need a new manager to build up a squad rather than rely on 2 or 3 players.

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  • 117. At 4:06pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Thanks back-pocket

    3 TommyO campaigns

    SAVE RAFA
    NEVILLE FOR ENGLAND
    SCHOLES FOR ENGLAAND

    we can start an OWEN fOR ENGLAND one after he scores the winner at the Kop end on Sunday.

    Anyone think the Onion will be drying his tears and hiding again come Monday

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  • 118. At 4:07pm on 22 Oct 2009, socrates wrote:

    thedoctorhst

    "The only reason for the Rafa bashing is our society has become very fickle and instant success is lauded over stability and progress, two traits which Rafa has brought to Liverpool, no arguments. Period."

    Stability and progress? Do you really believe that? (and please, never end a sentence with 'Period' - this isn't an American teen soap).

    Incidentally, just because 'the press' report on bad times at Liverpool doesn't make it 'propaganda'. That's a tad paranoid.

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  • 119. At 4:08pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Actually I'm in the camp that thinks Liverpool will probably roll up to Old Trafford and win on sunday,

    - problem is the game is at Anfield so please feel free to turn up at OT and forfeit 3 points (and get an additional deduction on top of that)

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  • 120. At 4:09pm on 22 Oct 2009, northernsuperspur wrote:

    Meh, Liverpool are at home. well, my sentiment still stands. Benitez has past form for starting to win games when you think all is lost.

    In all honesty I'd prefer a Manchester win though, so Liverpool drop further behind in the chase for the CL places.

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  • 121. At 4:10pm on 22 Oct 2009, pidgeGULL wrote:

    "even hardened super-scousers will tell you that it's an awful long time since the "five trophies" season, and he's achieved nothing since..."

    Surely this is a WUM. If not these "scousers" can't be very hardened.

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  • 122. At 4:11pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    *108
    Thanks to Robbo I've got museums on the brain this afternoon, how about both of them in Madame Tussauds?

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  • 123. At 4:13pm on 22 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    87. At 3:18pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    Robbo Robson wrote - "The biggest shock this week was how many of the Champions League matches were interesting, not least that bloke Rubin Kazan turning over Barca."

    Robbo, was that bloke the genie in Alladin or one of Ali Baba's 40 thieves? I'm not sure which.

    Now I think about it maybe he was both, I certainly thought it was magic how they stole all 3 points.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    As I've said in a previous effort, I think it's what the fat magician in The Arabian Knights (as seen on the Banana Splits) used to say before he did some of his magic. "Rubin Kazan!!!"

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  • 124. At 4:13pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    even hardened super-scousers (like TommyO) will argue black is white or even gray - they feel that time in-between trophies is subjective and non-linear and therefore subject to change.

    Time is full of fixed points and super-scousers feel that their trophies are fixed points that must always happen.

    I think it would be nice if they had a 27 year wait for the title (while Utd clean up at least another 5 and Arsenal get 2 and harry gets 1 then retires

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  • 125. At 4:14pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    105. At 3:53pm on 22 Oct 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    And plz dont slate Fergie. He has earned the right via the trophy cabinet to behave like a spolied child whenever, unlike other managers...
    --------------------------------------------------------------------

    what a disgusting attitude - and sadly representative of the typical ManU fan.

    an honest question for the Manc fathers (and all parents) in here: do you teach your children that it's alright to behave like a classless punk as long as you've had success at something?!

    perhaps i'm on my high horse here, but am i offbase?

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  • 126. At 4:15pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Ironic that one man's rise and fall can be so influenced by another's groin!

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  • 127. At 4:15pm on 22 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    #122

    Some'd say you could have all of Liverpool's defence in Madame Tussauds - and actually Chelsea's back four last Saturday while we're at it although the dummies might move a bit too much to be entirely realistic.

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  • 128. At 4:17pm on 22 Oct 2009, pidgeGULL wrote:

    "However, his appalling behaviour at a memorial service to mark the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster in April left a sour taste in the mouth."

    Taken from a Rafa-bashing article in the Sun (about Charles Itandje)... strange, Itandje isn't the first name to come to mind when thinking of appalling behaviur regarding Hillsborough... and that's "The Truth"

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  • 129. At 4:17pm on 22 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Denis - you're pretty much always on your high horse mate but sometimes it's the right place to be.

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  • 130. At 4:19pm on 22 Oct 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    The Sun would be wise to resist any opinions on the subject of Hillsborough. But wisdom isn't its greatest strength.

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  • 131. At 4:19pm on 22 Oct 2009, My-back-pocket wrote:

    127- LMAO! quality...

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  • 132. At 4:20pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    DTG, absolutely right but you also allow them a bit of over-reaction at emotional moments. It's not an attitude that's exclusive to Fergie now is it? They can't all be Bobby Robson!

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  • 133. At 4:20pm on 22 Oct 2009, pidgeGULL wrote:

    Adam my point was Rafa wasn't boss in 2001.

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  • 134. At 4:21pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    hey - it's a role i'm comfortable in(maybe i'll change my name to Highbury Horse!)

    sorry to be concerned with nonsense like "setting a good example to millions" - i must not be a proper football man ;]

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  • 135. At 4:21pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    LOL (is that the correct usage).

    I got that.

    I think.

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  • 136. At 4:22pm on 22 Oct 2009, My-back-pocket wrote:

    any news on the groins on Torres and Gerrard?

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  • 137. At 4:22pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Ahhhh yes the Arsene Wenger setting an example to millions school.

    Many a graduate.

    "I didn't see nuffink"

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  • 138. At 4:23pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    At 4:22pm on 22 Oct 2009, My-back-pocket wrote:
    any news on the groins on Torres and Gerrard?

    -----

    Small, premature and wish they were somewhere else was last I heard. Much like every other groin.

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  • 139. At 4:24pm on 22 Oct 2009, bluehellsbells wrote:

    98. At 3:37pm on 22 Oct 2009, thedoctorhst wrote:
    Will you all calm down and leave rafa alone!

    BE FAIR , GAZUTD IS TRY TO SAVE HIM (NOT SURE WHERE I GOT THAT IDEA FROM)

    He's rejuvinated a squad that was nowhere near winning the title back in 2005, and in the 2008-09 season finished runner up, with a staggering 86 points which would on any other occasion, lift the Premiership!

    EXCEPT THE LAST 5 SEASONS WHEN EACH TEAM (LIVERPOOL NOT BEING AMONG THEM)
    FINISHED WITH 87 POINTS OR MORE

    ADAMPSB - KEEP UP GOOD WORK ON NEVILLE CAMPAIGN - AND AS YOU ARE THE SOURCE OF KNOWLEDGE, HAS WHITLEY BAY WON ANY TROPHIES LATELY?

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  • 140. At 4:24pm on 22 Oct 2009, My-back-pocket wrote:

    137 - Ahhhh yes the Arsene Wenger setting an example to millions school.

    Many a graduate.

    "I didn't see nuffink"


    can just picture Wenger sayin that wiv a cockney accent...ooh ek

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  • 141. At 4:25pm on 22 Oct 2009, barca4ever wrote:

    His players are good but don't play well because of his man management style. Ferguson, Wenger, Ancelotti(turns 60 year old ala inzaghi into superstars, Hodgson and even Hughes can get the best out of ordinary players(Bently, Zamora).
    Take the same team and give it to one of the above coaches and they will be punching above their weight. Why is it that most players that leaves Arsenal or United flops? When you treat footballers like robots they react the same way. Rafa should allow the players to express themselves instead of forcing them to play to a particular rigid formation. He should led Human management. The players are Humans Rafa.

    He inherited a team left by Hector Cupa. A team that were runners up twice in the champions league @ Valencia.

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  • 142. At 4:26pm on 22 Oct 2009, socrates wrote:

    125. DenistheGenius

    As I suspect you already know, that comment is nowhere near 'representative of the typical ManU fan'.

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  • 143. At 4:28pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    There is only one type of United fan in Denis' eyes Socrates.

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  • 144. At 4:29pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #133 - its a good job he wasn't boss in 2001 or you wouldn't have won those 5 trophies either as he wouldn't have played Owen or any of the other good players you had apart from Gerrard and Carragher.

    #139 - aprt from teh FA Vase you mean (probably the Whitley Bay High Street 5-a-side challenge)

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  • 145. At 4:29pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Trotts - not exclusive at all, but it's kind of like the diving plague - and Fergie is without a doubt the Ronaldo of classless behaviour...i only hope there are a few Mancs out there with enough character to rebuke the former as they did the latter.

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  • 146. At 4:29pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    "The players are Humans Rafa."


    To be fair to him the jury is still out on Crouch.

    SAVE RAFA!

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  • 147. At 4:30pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    And Eduardo or RVP never dive (and when did you last rebuke them or Arsene "i didn't see it" Wenger)

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  • 148. At 4:31pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Tell you what Denis, you rebuke Arsene for all his faults and I'll rebuke Fergie.

    Kind of like a playground you show me yours and I'll show you mine thing.

    But it's not.

    Before you get any ideas.

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  • 149. At 4:33pm on 22 Oct 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    125. At 4:14pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote
    what a disgusting attitude - and sadly representative of the typical ManU fan.

    an honest question for the Manc fathers (and all parents) in here: do you teach your children that it's alright to behave like a classless punk as long as you've had success at something?!

    perhaps i'm on my high horse here, but am i offbase?

    What is your point?? I think that there is a lot of bitterness inside of you from lack of success. Any team in England would be glad to have Fergie as their manager regardless of the way he behaves because at the end of the day he produces results, something a manager is paid for and supposed to do. And where does parenting enter this equation all of a sudden?!? So pardon me for having a ref-baitin codger and a spoiled child as my manager.......
    And be careful of that seat on your high horse, you just may topple over, even if Robbo says it's ok :)

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  • 150. At 4:36pm on 22 Oct 2009, Clint wrote:

    Good. The most popular blog is this week all about the Championship (even though everyone's still got their Liverpool "Big four" chat on the go)

    It will be inteesting to see which of the Championship's Big Four get promotion. Surely 3 out of WBA, Newcastle, Boro and Cardiff will go up. It's good to see some of these teams dropping points after a start that looked like the 3 relegated teams would go straight back up. I think Strachan will be good for Boro and you can expect at least one of Willo Flood, Gary Caldwell, Mark Wilson, Paul Caddis and Darren O Dea to be wearing red come February.

    Have to say how nicely Brendan Rogers' dream move to Reading has turned out also. The grass aint greener pal, good luck with the relegation battle.

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  • 151. At 4:36pm on 22 Oct 2009, thedoctorhst wrote:

    @118: you said:

    thedoctorhst

    "The only reason for the Rafa bashing is our society has become very fickle and instant success is lauded over stability and progress, two traits which Rafa has brought to Liverpool, no arguments. Period."

    Stability and progress? Do you really believe that? (and please, never end a sentence with 'Period' - this isn't an American teen soap).

    Incidentally, just because 'the press' report on bad times at Liverpool doesn't make it 'propaganda'. That's a tad paranoid


    Apologies for the usage of "period". I was under the assumption that all of the English language was up for use on this blog, apparently not.

    In response to the paranoid tag that I've now got,, well, objectively looking at it, the press (by which I mean major tabloids of the day) do give Liverpool and Rafa a harder time in the manor of the way that pieces are put together. I can read an article after a Chelsea or Man Utd loss, only to see somewhere that they will bounce back and recover, that their quality will undoubtedly pull through.
    When Liverpool are appraised, they always are falling short somewhere, and there's never any mention of the quality they do have that helped them so much in the previous season.
    Maybe I am a little paranoid. But with British media being what it is, hahahaha, I would be mad not to be?? haha
    Y.N.W.A.

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  • 152. At 4:38pm on 22 Oct 2009, barca4ever wrote:

    Please guys this is a blog and not 606. If you want a slagging match go to 606. Blogs are like tennis where gents and dolls gather to discuss issues. 606 on the other hand is where you go when you need a slug fight. Please please not on Robbo's blog

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  • 153. At 4:38pm on 22 Oct 2009, tomefccam wrote:

    old horse face has i'm afraid lived and died by his decisions. he got relegated with a club, not a team, that should not have gone down from the position he inhurited them.

    he sold the yak, yes he wanted to go and it was good money, but thats a 20 goal a season striker gone.

    he spent all of that money and a bit more bringing in alfonso which cost him majorly. he could have punted on maybe a regular chmpionship scorer, just as competetive as the dutch eredivisie but probably would have cost half the price.

    someone maybe like kevin doyle, ebanks blake, surely defoe and crouch may have even been tempted with the money boro can punt.

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  • 154. At 4:39pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    It will be inteesting to see which of the Championship's Big Four get promotion. Surely 3 out of WBA, Newcastle, Boro and Cardiff will go up.

    What about Blackpool, Preston, Britol City or Forest as they are all in a decent position

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  • 155. At 4:39pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    123 Robbo, cheers for that, I remember the Banana Splits, I remember HR Puffnstuff was one of my earlyist tv favorites.

    The magician's name was Sundaar and he worked for the evil dude Baakar, good stuff,

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  • 156. At 4:41pm on 22 Oct 2009, The TM wrote:

    12. At 1:41pm on 22 Oct 2009, amazedfromthesouth wrote:

    Brilliant.

    Any Man U fans need a Liverpool beach ball? I got one for sale... should score 1 or 2 goals vs RAFA........

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  • 157. At 4:41pm on 22 Oct 2009, My-back-pocket wrote:

    152 - Please guys this is a blog and not 606. If you want a slagging match go to 606. Blogs are like tennis where gents and dolls gather to discuss issues. 606 on the other hand is where you go when you need a slug fight. Please please not on Robbo's blog


    its more cosy here..

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  • 158. At 4:42pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Dennis the Genius one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse rode a red horse, why not rename yourself red horse man of the apocalypse? At least it has a ring of judgement about it.

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  • 159. At 4:42pm on 22 Oct 2009, mr_squeak wrote:

    I love how 13 years ago, Southgate was public enemy number 1. After his, if I am to be brutally honest, abismal penalty miss, he was the most hated man in England. Cries of "we would have won had that plonker only have scored that peno!". Now it's poor Southgate, Mr. Nice Guy got the sack. He got the sack 'cos his managerial abilites mirrored that of his penalty taking abilities. Reminds me of a certain Staunton at the helm of Ireland. Destined for failure!

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  • 160. At 4:45pm on 22 Oct 2009, TegsShrimpers wrote:

    Think of the simple truth. 4th, 1 point off top spot, and Southgate is sacked. Daft. I know people will disagree but he could easily of learnt from the experience of promotion (if he got Boro promoted)

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  • 161. At 4:45pm on 22 Oct 2009, socrates wrote:

    151. thedoctorhst:

    Sorry, I didn't mean to preach about how you should talk, it's just I think that saying 'period' after something doesn't make it any more emphatic, it just makes you sound like an moody teenager in The O.C :)

    Incidentally, I don't think the press has an anti-Liverpool agenda. For a start, the press comprises of more ex-Liverpool players than any other club. Journalists just report on the big news story and unfortunately for Liverpool, their current form IS big news. Period (sorry couldn't resist).




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  • 162. At 4:49pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    DTG, I think calling Fergie "classless" is uncalled for, he's shown plenty of class over the years, in defeat and in victory. The vast majority of his peers certainly don't think he's classless and that's a good measure. Yes, he has a rant in the wrong direction now and then but that usually goes with the territory.

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  • 163. At 4:49pm on 22 Oct 2009, Clint wrote:

    #154

    I would love to see Blackpool in the Premier, it would be awesome. Preston seem to nearly get promoted every season and have been doing it for as long as I can remember. Forest for me don't have the squad to seriously challenge and Bristol City will maybe just miss the play-offs.

    You look at most of the Championship sides and could make a valid argument for most to get promotion but ultimately I reckon it'll be 3 from 4 that go up

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  • 164. At 4:52pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    #145 Denis, I actually thought that Ronaldo was the Ronaldo of classless behaviour.

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  • 165. At 4:53pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    It would seem that Denis has pulled a TommyO and disappeared when asked to answer a pertinent question

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  • 166. At 4:55pm on 22 Oct 2009, My-back-pocket wrote:

    a thoughts just crossed my mind..why is everyone on here posting away and not busy at work...hmmmmmmm

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  • 167. At 4:57pm on 22 Oct 2009, EricDantona wrote:

    23.:"On the positive side for GS, now that he's been sacked, he finally has a reason for the long face."
    Mmm, because it has been all smiles down the Middlesborough camp over the last few years ;)
    Personally, I'm very saddened. I really like Middlesborough as a team and Southgate as a man. I don't think he deserved it.

    15. At 1:47pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    We need more of the previous 2 posters.
    More backing for Rafa please.
    SAVE RAFA!!

    This makes me laugh. I see where you're coming from, he's certainly making things easier for the quality English teams.
    I'll still have a huge smirk onn when he gets sacked though. He is a grace-less pig-head.

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  • 168. At 4:58pm on 22 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    hey... Robbo.. a great blog even when compared to your usual high standards...

    But come on, leave denis alone, it is a known fact that Aresnal have never done anything even remotely questionable in thier entire history... And it is well documented thier fans are pure through and through.

    Gaz, what ar you rthoughts on Rafa... Should he stay or go???

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  • 169. At 4:59pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    167 Eric, you come on here at 4:57pm with that post? Are you trying to make everyone late leaving work?

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  • 170. At 5:00pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    RBA I have thought long and hard about it and would have to say...

    SAVE RAFA!

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  • 171. At 5:01pm on 22 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    yeah you jerk 166... is now 17:01 on my PC! grrrr!

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  • 172. At 5:09pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    my point, Trini? i've been around this blog long enough to know that there are Mancs here that are constantly excusing/downplaying the great Sir Alex's crap behaviour, and worse, trying to justify it with his accomplishments.
    i also happen to know that there are several fathers here, so i'd like to know if their attitude is consistent in regards to how their kids behave.
    it's not really a stretch if your kids watch/play footy, and you give a blank.

    yes, it angers me when RVP dives - i'm never proud of unsporting behaviour, and my friends can vouch for that, as i'm pretty vocal, as you might've guessed!

    as for Wenger - he can sometimes be a bit coy and one-eyed (or no-eyed), and he can whinge a bit too long, but overall i'm proud of the way he conducts himself.
    to compare his indisgretions (which i think are subtle enough to be missed by your average kid) to Fergie's level of petulance is ridiculous.

    someone mentioned Sir Bobby Robson? well no, they can't all be as classy, but at least men like Roy Hodgson are out there trying...and even if Fergie & Sir Bobby were casual friends - just because he enjoyed an occasional Scotch with him doesn't mean he wasn't privately embarassed by his behaviour.

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  • 173. At 5:10pm on 22 Oct 2009, brod104 wrote:

    Robbo - you missed a couple of good Rafa signings in Reina and Alonso. To be fair, you missed a few duds as well, probably cos there's not enough room to list Lucas, Pennant, Josemi, Kromkamp, Morientes, Nuñez (can't believe we only got him and £8m for Owen!)... Then there was the big non-signing of Barry, which we tried to sell Alonso to fund, which terminally damaged Xabi's relationship with Rafa. I only hope that once fit, Aquilani can stay fit and be a success.

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  • 174. At 5:10pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    But come on, leave denis alone, it is a known fact that Aresnal have never done anything even remotely questionable in thier entire history.

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    Apart from the suspicion that their Chairman bribed the league committee in 1919 to promote them even though they finished 5th in divsion 2.

    Wikipedia lists the following It has been alleged that Norris bribed or in some way unduly influenced the voting members of the Football League, in particular the league chairman and owner of Liverpool, John McKenna;[7][8] at the League's AGM, McKenna made a speech recommending Arsenal's promotion ahead of Spurs thanks to the former's longer spell in the League (Arsenal joined in 1893, Spurs in 1908). Although no firm proof has ever been offered, Norris's other activities, including the scandal that led to his downfall, are often cited as circumstantial evidence.

    The scandal was illegal payments to a player named Charlie Buchan

    Ironically John McKenna was known as "honest John" - how many scousers have we heard that from over the years?

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  • 175. At 5:16pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Gazbag - you, of all people, know that i'm not gonna hide from a debate!

    congrads on the Ribery news, by the way... that's a boost!

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  • 176. At 5:20pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Can we calkl hiding - done an Onion cos that's catchy

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  • 177. At 5:22pm on 22 Oct 2009, richjseymour wrote:

    Good blog Robbo. Love all the comments on here too.

    SAVE RAFA

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  • 178. At 5:26pm on 22 Oct 2009, MUFCTrini wrote:

    At 5:09pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:
    someone mentioned Sir Bobby Robson? well no, they can't all be as classy, but at least men like Roy Hodgson are out there trying...and even if Fergie & Sir Bobby were casual friends - just because he enjoyed an occasional Scotch with him doesn't mean he wasn't privately embarassed by his behaviour.

    I wonder why Fergie was knighted? I thought only classy people with memorable acheivements were knighted. Everyone is allowed a moment or two of flare ups and with Fergie its the same. If you are a manager that is accustommed to success at the highest levels regularly, I think it should be ok if they overreact when they had a bad day. The reason why a lot of the other managers in the EPL dont behave like Fergie is that losses to them happen regularly so they are used to hanging their heads unlike with Fergie, a loss is a rarity so its hard for him to accept.

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  • 179. At 5:31pm on 22 Oct 2009, jacksofbuxton wrote:

    like Robert Mugabe perhaps?

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  • 180. At 5:34pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Denis Ribery probably won't matter, I mean they only have Henry, Benzema and Anelka to choose from up front along with half the Chelsea and Arsenal team and a certain Mr. Evra.

    Shouldn't really be a problem.

    Although in Domenech they have a manager capable of the kind of ridiculous decisions that would make any team lose.

    That reminds me...

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  • 181. At 5:35pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    172 DTG "and even if Fergie & Sir Bobby were casual friends - just because he enjoyed an occasional Scotch with him doesn't mean he wasn't privately embarassed by his behaviour."

    Denis, why would you even say that? How did you come by the knowledge that Sir Bobby was embarrased by SAF? If you post groundless, baseless, spiteful commentary like that it's more likely that every word of truth you ever write will be judged the same way. If it's the truth then where's the evidence? If it's true because it's your gut feeling then it isn't true!

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  • 182. At 5:39pm on 22 Oct 2009, U14182900 wrote:

    amazedfromthesouth your talking bumba clot...

    Fair enough Newcastle an Sunderland both think they are big clubs (boro have never thought this!!!), and while there are empty seats at the riverside Newcastle still bring in the crowds even in the fizzy pop league with no players, manager or decent ownership!!! Still get higher attendances than most London premiership teams!!!

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  • 183. At 5:41pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Trotter no matter how much truth is posted about Fergie (his charity work, the countless other managers who have nothing but good to say about him, his treatment of injured players etc etc etc) it doesn't matter.

    Some people will always hate him, there is no logic to their hatred, just hatred.

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  • 184. At 6:00pm on 22 Oct 2009, TheRodentHansen wrote:

    Bit like your hatred of LFC eh Gary?

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  • 185. At 6:15pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Yep, just like every other football fans love for their club and dislike for the opposition.

    There is no logic to it, it is simple compulsive behaviour, that's why we love it so much.

    At least some of us admit it.

    Some of us would even admit to a change of screen name if we resorted to such infantile pastimes.

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  • 186. At 6:22pm on 22 Oct 2009, DelboyRafa wrote:

    "Torres and Mascherano apart, he can't pick a player."

    I enjoy Robbo's blogs, and he is usually spot on. But this comment, and others in the media like it, I disagree with. I think Rafa has generally done well in the transfer market - to name but a few:
    Agger, Skrtel, Reina, Alonso (sold for £20m profit!), Crouch (sold for £4m profit), Torres (at the time, the wisdom was we paid too much for him), masch (nobody would touch him when we got him, could be sold for £15m profit), garcia did great for us despite what a lot think, sissoko (sold for £3m profit).

    Babel is a flop, but not all buys are perfect (jeffers, kleberson, veron, mutu, reyes....), voronin was a free (yes, we overpaid, I know!) but that is what he has been reduced to every summer. Bellamy and others, we at least got our money back. Keane - well, we will have to wait for Rafa and Parry's autobiographies to see who bought him!!

    The problem for Rafa is - he has ALWAYS had to sell before he could buy! Hence our lack of depth in the squad. Even this summer - alonso and arbeloa sold, johnson and aquilani bought, net spend NIL.

    He isn't perfect - subbing yossi for the ponytail??!! -- but generally he has done a very good job, on a limited budget, when you consider he is EXPECTED to finish top 4 every season, MINIMUM. Spurs spend way more then us and barely avoid relegation most seasons, not to mention villa, sunderland, newcastle and now city (I'm talking spending power). Utd, Chelsea and arsenal already had strong squads, so dont need to spend as much to maintain them.

    We got 2 CL finals, winning one, and finished within 7 and 4 points of the champions in the last 5 seasons. Not bad, when the general impression of the man seems to be that he is useless!

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  • 187. At 6:24pm on 22 Oct 2009, TheRodentHansen wrote:

    you love compulsive hatred? Bold statement but each to their own. Maybe its just easaier to be infantile when your sat at a PC rather than being able to have an adult chat/debate.

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  • 188. At 6:31pm on 22 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    Oi Delboy, I think you'll find Spurs have spent naff all these last two seasons. We sold the likes of Defoe and Keane only to get them back 6 months to a year down the line for less than we've paid. And anyway we were only in trouble because Ramos couldn't get his head around the Prem.

    Berbatov went for 30 mill last year. We've new faces in this year, but Harry's sold a few players as well so the net spend for this season's pretty close to zero.

    Don't get jealous just because we have an English billionaire at the helm and we're carrying no debt :P

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  • 189. At 6:43pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Starfire for some reason I always thought you were a Gooner.

    I cannot apologise enough!

    SAVE RAFA

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  • 190. At 6:44pm on 22 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    Gaz, Adam. You're being a bit daft today. You should really allow others to give their points of view without just shouting OT(T?) propaganda. Setting yourselves up for an almighty fall this Sunday, you know.

    I tend to agree with those who have said that the press is becoming frankly ridiculous. Someone makes a comment, it is repeated by someone else, it snowballs into an 'opinion' (I'm sure repetition of another's theory is not an opinion, merely repetition repetition repetition repetition), is then taken as gospel to sell newspapers or get people watching the hourly news cycle, and then repeated ad hoc until the team in question wins again, when a whole new cycle begins. It's even worse in the close season. This is not just relating to Liverpool either. It's everywhere and needs to be stopped, with guns if possible.

    As for Rafa, I am not the biggest fan of his style of play, or at least I wasn't until that night when we thrashed Real Madrid and Man Utd in the space of 4 days, when suddenly it seemed as if the plan was coming together. That has halted a tad in recent weeks, but I am confident it is just a blip. Style of play aside, anyone who thinks we haven't progressed under Rafa is either wilfully not looking at the evidence or having a bit of fun. Houllier's teams in the 03/04 season were frankly awful, and whilst he busied himself with the proof of attacking prowess and statistics, the team fell to pieces. A few bad results should not cause knee-jerk reactions (from Reds, the rest of you carry on). I, for one, am willing to wait a few weeks before I get jerky knee, or indeed squeaky bum, syndrome.

    I think I covered Southgategate on the previous blog. Nothing new to report there.

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  • 191. At 6:53pm on 22 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    At 6:43pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Starfire for some reason I always thought you were a Gooner.

    I cannot apologise enough!

    SAVE RAFA

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    Whaaa? :(

    Ah well, I've been accused of worse lol.

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  • 192. At 7:00pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    TommyB I am well aware of the fall on Sunday but sure make hay while the sun shines eh!?

    Besides I predicated it by saying that Fergie told Vidic to have a mare last year just to keep Rafa safe and will probably do the same again on Sunday ;)

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  • 193. At 7:16pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Trotter - didn't claim to have specific "knowledge" of Robson being embarrassed...i'm merely speculating that, as a true gentleman who showed a decorum that's verging on extinction in the world of sport, he would've been embarrassed at some of his friend's more outrageous tantrums.

    spare me the list of charity's the man has championed - i'm not saying he's never contributed to society... i'm saying the man's behaviour on the pitch and post-match is apalling, especially for such an experienced professional.

    forget Pizza-gate, hairdryer-gate, Wiley-gate, etc... all you need to see of Fergie's sportsmanship is his fist-pumping, gleeful celebration of an opponent's own-goal - it's all very Jimmy Connors (you handful of tennis fans will catch my drift!)

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  • 194. At 7:22pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Tell you what Denis, why don't you tell us one thing that Fergie has done (with proof) that Arsene has not done as well.

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  • 195. At 7:24pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Starfire's definetly a Spurs fan, although I can tell why you were confused Gaz, because even I as an Arsenal fan, find myself agreeing with his opinions on these boards, which are mostlt intellegent & well written, the same goes for Tommyb.
    It's good to know you can put personal bias' aside sometimes and apreciate an another/rivals view, even though admitedly wumming can be great fun too.

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  • 196. At 7:32pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Yep H2H I constantly find myself agreeing with you and TommyB.

    Which is quite frankly disturbing

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  • 197. At 7:40pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    ...just gave you 3, Gaz...just let me spend the next 6 years compiling every piece of footage of Wenger's career, and then i'll have "proof" that he isn't nearly as much of a prick as Fergie is.

    and the knighthood argument is hilarious, Trini!
    success + popularity = classy guy?

    better ask Paul McCartney's first couple of fiances, plus a few bandmates about that one!

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  • 198. At 7:41pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    WE'll all have to start an arguement later, just to keep up appearances.

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  • 199. At 7:50pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Are you referring to these 3 above Denis?

    Pizza-gate
    hairdryer-gate
    Wiley-gate

    If so lets look at these then...


    Pizza-Gate
    Not quite sure how you can make Fergie getting hit in the face with a piece of pizza his fault but interested in your explanation.

    Hairdryer-Gate
    Again I am not sure what you are getting at here. Is it the Beckham boot thing? If so what are you trying to say? Both Fergie and Beckham said it was an accident. Comes back to your proof again.

    Wiley-gate
    Insulting a referee? You honestly think that Arsene has never insulted a referee? Do you want a long list?

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  • 200. At 7:51pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    H2H, no problem, although I argue enough with Denis to make up for all you other Gooners.

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  • 201. At 7:54pm on 22 Oct 2009, northernsuperspur wrote:

    #186 Spurs spend way more then us and barely avoid relegation most seasons

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    Beg pardon?

    I'll admit that Spurs have had their share of mediocre mid table finishes, but I can't offhand think of a season where we were in any actual danger in the closing months, since the legendary Christian Gross season.

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  • 202. At 7:59pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    At least the red half of Merseyside can always rely on Everton to cheer them up!

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  • 203. At 8:17pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Denis, you've lost the plot, well, if not the plot, at least me. First you slag off Fergie and eventually tell us you have no knowledge to support your insults, now Paul McCartney. Go on, please enlighten me, is this knowledge based or a Denis "feeling". What has Sir Paul done to deserve the wrath of Denis? Is he a friend of Fergie's too? Is the Queen just making bad choices?

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  • 204. At 8:18pm on 22 Oct 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    I find myself agreeing with Robbo completely and I cannot believe that anyone feels an ounce of sympathy for Southgate on footballing grounds.

    Those that say you can't sack a manager when you're just below the top clearly didn't watch Middlesbrough last year - and clearly haven't watched them this.

    Southgate should have gone in January 2009 and if he had Boro' would still be in the Premiership. I reckon Gibson would admit that too. I know an awful lot of Middlesbrough fans (that can be read literally too!) and they have been threatening to throw themselves off the Transporter Bridge for a year now.

    In fact the only consolation for them was that Newcastle went down with them, thereby giving them something of equal cheer compared to their misery.

    I've been to the Riverside (I'm old enough to have stood in the Holgate End of Ayresome Park too and had my toe broken when Heine Otto scored and the place went wild - can't remember who they were playing because the pain was excruciating!) plenty of times and when I read the attendances these days it is nothing short of, well, appalling. Teessiders have always been the fair-weather type (sorry but I suspect Robbo would agree) and the place lacks the atmosphere of Ayresome, but even Whitley Bay FC mustered up more fans to go to Wembley than Boro get on a match day! Thats a fact too!

    Southgate had his change and Strachan will take them straight back up as Champions, nothing is more certain - other than Mike Ashley sacking nice man Chris before the season is out.

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  • 205. At 8:22pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    no, Pizza-gate was not one of them, and you left out the most cynical of the 3, the own-goal celebration, and we're not talking about being pressured into an own goal. this was moment of madness, absolutely no danger stuff, and to celebrate a piece of freakish misfortune like that, regardless of the circumstances, is neither dignified nor justifiable.
    ever heard of the saying "act like you've been there before?"
    Fergie, at this stage in his career, should be past amateurish histrionics.

    Wiley-gate - can't say i've heard Wenger be purposefully hurtful like that in such a personal manner... i think the general reaction has been appropriate, including the sanctions, which probably won't stick for fear of Fergie's wrath.

    Hairdryer thingy - a bit silly, but again, such histrionics don't usually come from the classy ones.

    the "we could've won 7 or 8 to nil" after an injury-time derby winner is another classic... it's never enough to eek out a victory - gotta give the opponent an extra kick while he's on the ground!

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  • 206. At 8:29pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Denis hang on a sec, you still haven't come up with something Fergie has done that Arsene hasn't.

    Simply throwing things out there doesn't mean you have.

    Which own-goal are you referring to? I see teams celebrating own goals every week. Are you honestly saying Fergie is the only one who has done this?

    As for Wiley-gate you again are saying, in your opinion, that Fergie was more insulting than Wenger when he slags off a ref. The point is that they have both slagged off refs, so you can't single out Fergie for it.

    You almost admitted that hairdryergate was a non-starter but you can't quite bring yourself to do it, throwing in some guffaw at the end just to try and prove a non-existant point.

    Then you throw the "we could've won 7 or 8 nil" thing. Honestlty Denis, this has to be some sort of joke. Do you really need to be told the amount of times Arsene has patronised the opposition.

    Again Denis, I challenge you to give me ONE thing that Fergie has done which Arsene hasn't to justify your continued ranting at him.

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  • 207. At 8:32pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Trots - lost the plot for suggesting knighthood isn't the all-time measure of character?
    i'm sure there are better examples, more in the realm of Nobel Prize winner Obama. or do you believe that it's more Sainthood than popularity contest?
    i like Paul, but he was the first "Sir" that came to me...and having read accounts of his Beatles days, he was hardly what you'd call a gentleman to his women and bandmates - i'd be happy to recommend some reading material.

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  • 208. At 8:48pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    No Denis, I reached this conclusion because you made unsupported, borderline defamatory statements. Post 172 made me scratch my head a bit when you made a comment about Bobby Robson's relationship with Fergie. It went down hill from there I suppose. Whatever, it's a free world.

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  • 209. At 8:50pm on 22 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Oh God! they are still at it.

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  • 210. At 9:07pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    (gasp)
    there are own-goals, and then there are "that guy may never sleep again, IF he makes it home alive" own-goals. the fact it was Diaby doesn't change a thing. it wasn't a result of any great Utd pressure, just freak (mis)fortune. in tennis, the player holds up his hand as a gentlemanly gesture. if the Diaby equivalent had happened in tennis, the player would probably send a card and a bottle of Scotch after - that's how insane it was.
    what did your man do? he chortled and clapped like a kid at the circus. if you can find evidence of Wenger stooping this low, then bring it.
    you're Mr. Video link, so i'm sure you're capable.

    Wiley-gate, post Man City comments - they show you what kind of sportsman he is... if only they were isolated incidents.

    i agreed that Wenger's not Mr. Perfect - i even threw Hodgson out there as an example of character. Fergie has a reputation for poor sportsmanship that is unequalled by any other current manager. Robbo wrote about it this very season - look it up! i just happen to think this reputation is downplayed, due to his tenure and level of success.

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  • 211. At 9:14pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Trotter - i wasn't suggesting anything untoward between Fergie & Robson. just saying that being friends with a saint don't make you a saint!

    and if someone's going to point to knighthood as the proof of character, of course i'm going to show the weakness in that argument as well.

    let's put this one to rest, shall we?

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  • 212. At 9:15pm on 22 Oct 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    one more thing...
    just kidding.

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  • 213. At 9:16pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    That really takes the biscuit Denis. EVERY thing Fergie does is overplayed and analysed to the nth degree, way more than any other manager.

    I also have news for you, every team celebrates own goals, they are goals after all. I can guarantee you that Arsene has celebrated an own goal before. Simply because the goal you are talking about was scored by your own defender you seem to think that it is different. Poor old Arsenal, how dare you score/tackle/celebrate against us.

    No matter how many times you bring up the Wiley thing you can't get past the fact that Arsene has done the same thing, along with many others. And Arsene's are not isolated either.

    Still you can't say one thing that Fergie has done that Arsene hasn't.

    Would you like some help with it?

    I'll give you a hint.... Europ... oops, I've said too much.

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  • 214. At 9:17pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Denis admit that your non-joking continual slagging of Fergie went overboard and Arsene is just as bad then we can put it to rest.

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  • 215. At 9:37pm on 22 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Gaz and Denis,

    ever heard of , don't insult a man's false gods so he may not insult your true one.

    You both sound like Jehovah's witnesses, without the patience. Thing is they do leave me alone now but only because I tell them I am a God myself and starting a new religion and they should join me in spreading my word.

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  • 216. At 9:50pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    SAF & Wenger are basically the same, they're winners, & definetly don't like losing, they're both stuborn, single minded and completly convinced that their way is the best way, their negatives can also be their positives. It's what of course makes them winners.

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  • 217. At 9:56pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Hello Spitfire, I'm not sure that's not insulting Jehovah's Witnesses but I'll be delighted to discuss your theology with you at any time. A new religion eh? I wonder if that was what Shanks was talking about? Meanwhile I pray that as you spread your word, your God goes with you.

    I wonder, would we all agree that all 92 managers suffer from selective vision syndrome, wear rose coloured spectacles, are thick-skinned and brass-necked. Apart from that they are as human as the rest of us and in our ways we might even be as bad.
    To paraphrase Bruce Forsythe "Keep Laughing".

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  • 218. At 10:03pm on 22 Oct 2009, Chris Wilby wrote:

    Denis, I agree that celebrating when the opposition score an own goal might seem a bit petulant and insensitive, but to say you should do it under no circumstances seems a tad harsh. If England were to score like that in the world cup final, I don't think anybody would complain if Fabio celebrated. The same goes when rivals like Arsenal and Man U play eachother.

    Anyway, let's get this discussion about which manager is the most ungentlemanly like. All managers (bar Sir Bobby Robson perhaps) fall out of line at some point during their carreers. So what! Football is a passionate game. As long as managers don't start reverting to racism, sexism etc., I believe unjustified ranting and raving is just a part of the game!

    This doesn't mean I like Man U though!!! For some strange reason, based on absolutely no logic whatsoever, I believe arsenal will win either the League or the Champions League this season! Allez les gunners!

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  • 219. At 10:05pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Denis, Of course we can put it to bed. All I really wanted to know was your basis for your suggestion that Sir Bobby, via your double negative "doesn't mean he wasn't" privately embarassed by Fergie's behaviour comment.

    I've never heard or read a shred of evidence, a supposition or speculation to support this and think it's a bit of a dumb comment to make if there's nothing behind it. Knighthoods and Sainthoods have nothing to do with it. If you've got private letters from Sir Bobby then well and good, I'll hold my hands up!

    Then on to Paul McCartney. Most bands have their disputes, most ex-girlfriends don't have a lot of good to say about the teenage minstrels that unceremoniously dump them, especially when it might give them a few papragraphs in a tabloid or somebody's biography and 15 minutes of fame.

    Get real, you're slagging off these people on the basis of what? What for? Where's the evidence? What's the motive?

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  • 220. At 10:08pm on 22 Oct 2009, Chris Wilby wrote:

    Woops, , I just read that Everton just got torn apart by Benfica! Good news for TommyO and co, I guess :D

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  • 221. At 10:14pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Paul McCartney...what a man.

    Along with hi smates he is guilty of one of the most heinous crimes of the 20th century..

    The invention of the boy band.

    It is his fault that we have had inflicted on us the Backstreet Boys, Five, New Kids on the Block, The Jonas Brothers, McFly, Westlife, Boyzone & Take That.

    We have also been subjected to Oasis and other soundalikes for years. I mean Robbie Williams should be playing for Port Vale not eraning millions as a musician.

    All McCartney's fault (and yes the frog chorus just makes it even worse)

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  • 222. At 10:16pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Adam is that the one from Aristophanes?

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  • 223. At 10:16pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Funny Spitfire but I generally use that argument for all religious types.

    I am God, prove me wrong. That sort of thing. It usually gets hilarious within about 15 seconds as their faces explode in a seething rage.

    Well I find it funny anyway. But then I'm God, I can find whatever I want funny!

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  • 224. At 10:18pm on 22 Oct 2009, Chris Wilby wrote:

    He is also guilty of being part of one of the most influential bands ever! Many a musician quotes the Beatles as being an inspiration to them

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  • 225. At 10:24pm on 22 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    One point off the top and you sack him? Crazy timing...... next thing you know Liverpool will win at the weekend and Rafa will get the boot on Monday.

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  • 226. At 10:24pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    GazUtd Funnily enough there's a reference in Matthews Gospel that suggests you may be right.

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  • 227. At 10:28pm on 22 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Point is, I cant stand it when fans want, nay insist, that all others acknowledge how great and awesome their own club/team/manager/hero/super hero/prophet/god/porn star/religious script/nationality/pie/cardigan/beer (or whatever they find brilliant) in the same manner.

    Difference of opinion is great. Dont try to kill it.

    Now, how terrible would it be if EVERYONE supported MANU? Very.

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  • 228. At 10:32pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Don't want everyone to support United, if I did I would have made them all that way! :)

    I wouldn't expect people to revere Fergie, it's just the mindless insults that are not needed.

    And RedL, ah yes, chapter 2 verse 11 "And lo God made himself known, and he was dressed in red and seated in the Stretford end" how very astute of you to notice.

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  • 229. At 10:37pm on 22 Oct 2009, Doogle7691 wrote:

    I haven't read every comment on here so I apologise If I am repeating anything that has been said.

    I am a Liverpool fan and it is interesting seeing people's thoughts on the signings that Benitez has made. Obviously there are a few that ARE quality signings, torres, mascherano, alonso for 4 years, reina and dare i say it benayoun is carrying the team at the moment. There have been plenty of poor signings, I am not even slightly disputing that, notably the Dossena's, Degen's, Voronin's ect.

    However there is just one player that I think could get himself off that list and that is Lucas. Lucas is obviously an individual with potential, you don't become captain off the Brazil under 20's without some promise as a footballer. However he has clearly not fulfilled that potential in his time at Anfield. I think that he took a while to adapt, was playing poorly and the scrutiny of the fans and media took its toll on him. Now, every time he plays, he plays with the presuure of being an undeserved favourite of Benitez, which must make it incredibly hard mentally that the fans do not think he should be playing. I would like to see Lucas go out on loan to a middle-lower order premier league club (i'm sure well get witty people saying he's already there) where the pressure and the expectations are lower.

    However he would need to be replaced and this is where the second half of the post comes in. I feel that the Saudi's will bring some more money to the club, enough for Benitez to sign a replacement and a couple of other quality signings. Ideally I would like to see benitez replaced too but with that comes the cost of £20m, Is it something that the new owners would be prepared to do, knowing that missing out on qualification to Europe's biggest tournament will lose them a similar amount in revenue? I don't know. The only problem is, who is there to replace him? I feel that that quite a few managers would like to take the reins on a club that is struggling as long as there is the promise of new money from the owners as the only way really is up.

    But who?

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  • 230. At 10:57pm on 22 Oct 2009, Chris Wilby wrote:

    Christ! (sorry gaz, shouldn't use your son's name in vain) I can't sleep! Any other interesting footballing topics? Everton being beat 5-0... Poor fulham conceding a late, unfortunate equaliser...

    oh well...

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  • 231. At 11:00pm on 22 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    224. At 10:18pm on 22 Oct 2009, jollygunnerinholland wrote:
    He is also guilty of being part of one of the most influential bands ever! Many a musician quotes the Beatles as being an inspiration to them

    ---------------------------------------------------

    And that is possibly the worst part of it. Think how much rubbish sound-alikes we would have been spared

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  • 232. At 11:01pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    JollyGunner if you weren't in Holland you could turn on the BBC and watch that fat idiot Nick Griffin make a complete idiot out of himself. Not that he really needed to but damn if you ever needed to see a brainless moron just to make you feel better then watch a recording of it.

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  • 233. At 11:02pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Ah Gaz, sorry God, as you presumably claim to be omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient pray explain how you become wholly other?

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  • 234. At 11:04pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Well Redp, as God surely you know that I never explain anything like that. Never have, never will. It's a matter of faith don't you know.

    Although why I ever made this Griffin character is beyond even me!

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  • 235. At 11:05pm on 22 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    233. At 11:02pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Ah Gaz, sorry God, as you presumably claim to be omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient pray explain how you become wholly other?
    _________________________________________________________________________

    Because He Wishes so. Nor shall you question His Judgement lest thou invite His Wrath upon you.

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  • 236. At 11:05pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    You can get BBC1 & BBC2 in Holland.

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  • 237. At 11:06pm on 22 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Think this griffin fellow may well be God's wrath upon us. Now who was the dim wit who dared question Him?

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  • 238. At 11:12pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Dimbleby is having fun anyway! What a job, imagine the ability to be able to tell politicians that they are scum to their face, on TV.

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  • 239. At 11:14pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    237. At 11:06pm on 22 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:
    Think this griffin fellow may well be God's wrath upon us

    Is he the brother of Peter Griffen, cos he'll also be on tv in the NL a little later, (Com' Central)

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  • 240. At 11:15pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Now that you mention it he does look a bit like Peter Griffin.

    And Jack Straw could pass for Stewie at a push.

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  • 241. At 11:17pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Adam, 221, Paul McCartney and his mates didn't invent the boy band! It wasn't even a twentieth century crime! The boy band has been around since, er, I duuno, ask Gaz, er, biblical times!

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  • 242. At 11:20pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Yep, correct Trotter, there was a 13 piece who did a tour of the Middle East a couple of thousand years ago. They were actually into reggae believe it or not. The subsequent musical got that wrong.

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  • 243. At 11:21pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    chuckle chuckle chuckle

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  • 244. At 11:22pm on 22 Oct 2009, northernsuperspur wrote:

    #229

    As I understand it, the problem with anyone buying into Liverpool and bringing in new funds, is that Statler and Waldorf would both have to agree to sell their complete stakes, since one cant sell up without the say-so of the other.

    Their joint stubbornness is likely to seriously hamper any takeovers, which is a pity for the club, but a godsend for those of us that are used to our own clubs being a bit of a laughing stock in boardroom and strategic terms.

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  • 245. At 11:24pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Weren't they called the Babylon Babylonian 13?

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  • 246. At 11:26pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    I think they started out with that name but it was a bit long so it ended up as Babyzoneian.

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  • 247. At 11:27pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    When a manager gets the sack, is the pay-off on his contract paid in the same way as his salary was paid, ie. quarterly, monthly, weekly or is it an immediate lump sum? Is there a standard format for EPL managers contracts or is each one individually fine tuned?

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  • 248. At 11:28pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Sorry, I meant JC & the Sunshine band

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  • 249. At 11:29pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    re 234
    Ah well Gaz it just goes to show that even as God you can't be perfect all the time.

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  • 250. At 11:29pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Trotter, best ask Sven, he knows all about it.

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  • 251. At 11:31pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Well, H2H, it's a fine idea but I don't even have a direct connection to God so chances of me having one to Sven are very slim.

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  • 252. At 11:33pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    If you have a connection to any women Trotter then the chances of you having a one to one with Sven are very high.

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  • 253. At 11:35pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    245 You're mixing them up with Genesis and Aha Aha (Ps70)

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  • 254. At 11:36pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Surely someone with divine conections wouldn't end up in Nottingham. {Sorry r'preach)

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  • 255. At 11:38pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Gaz, no I always include that on the questionnaire. Is Sven really the artist formerly known as Judas Priest?

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  • 256. At 11:42pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    It's about as likely as Nazareth but there you go. The connections are probably a bit rusty but I was recognised and commissioned in the Methodist Church in May 1993.

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  • 257. At 11:46pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Trotter I didn't see that one in time. That was Judas Iscariot and he received a lump sum payment. Don't know if that is standard procedure

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  • 258. At 11:46pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    I was recognised in a Church once as well.

    The priest ran a mile in case I remembered him.

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  • 259. At 11:47pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Can you blame him

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  • 260. At 11:47pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    classic Gaz.

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  • 261. At 11:48pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    So is there any chance of a Rafa resurrection then?

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  • 262. At 11:49pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    He'll have to repent first

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  • 263. At 11:51pm on 22 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    If he loses too many more games he'll probably get crucified.

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  • 264. At 11:56pm on 22 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    oh, almost forgot...the reason I asked was because if he has a 20 million contract it's a big nut for a one off payment but if it's spread out at 100k per week over 4 years then it's just like having another injured superstar on the staff.

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  • 265. At 11:57pm on 22 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Followed by metanoia if he goes upstairs or a warm bath if its downstairs

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  • 266. At 11:59pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    He's already in my idea of hell.

    Maybe he'll forget the 20 million and take the 72 virgins.

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  • 267. At 00:00am on 23 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    oh look, you've got the NFL in London this weekend, get your money on New England lads!

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  • 268. At 00:02am on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Actually now that I think about what are the chances of finding 72 in Liverpool.

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  • 269. At 00:03am on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Just as high as finding 3 wise men

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  • 270. At 00:04am on 23 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Thank you one and all for a most enjoyable evening. I wish you all goodnight.

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  • 271. At 00:06am on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:



    Yes, same here, it's been emotional.

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  • 272. At 00:07am on 23 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    postscript my money would be on 3 wise monkeys

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  • 273. At 00:26am on 23 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    Are these tres monos monkeysyllabic? On another note, why is monkey pronounced 'munkey' and donkey as 'donkey'. Try slipping a reversal into conversation without batting an eyelid. It won't be questioned.

    About to watch this Griffin stuff on iplayer. Hope he gets a Dimble-trouncing, the moronic bigot.

    JDR - WHO DO YOU SUPPORT???

    Everton. That is all.

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  • 274. At 00:51am on 23 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Here's TommyB, you on the night shift?

    Did you only count three? It's easier than Dave Dee Dozy Beakie Mick and Titch (or whatever there names were).

    In a similar vein, if someone from Poland is a Pole, why isn't someone from Holland a Hole?

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  • 275. At 01:07am on 23 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    Just popping in for a quick nosy. My streaming of Question Time is getting a bit jerky, much like one of its guests. Views are Pole-arised. As they say, no man is an Ireland, but I shall definitely be Russian to judgement on the Nether-Hole from the BNP. He shouldn't hope to make a Korea out of it, as the others aren't letting him off Scot free. Maybe RedBlueArmy should give him some tips on racially unified military ventures.

    ENOUGH!!! Or should that be ENOCH?!?

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  • 276. At 01:17am on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Could someone from Finland lose more weight if he lived in Hungary?

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  • 277. At 01:23am on 23 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Hmmm your jerky streaming won't be remedied here. You should call a Czechnician.

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  • 278. At 01:37am on 23 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    Fresh bursts of enthusiasm are prevalent in New Zealand

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  • 279. At 01:44am on 23 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    it's not a good time for zeal here Tommy, The Yankees are losing 4-0!

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  • 280. At 04:28am on 23 Oct 2009, jonnyboygill wrote:

    The thing I find most amusing is the fact most BBC pundits were tipping Liverpool to win the league this season !!! Rafa is not a bad manager, her doeas have some good points, but his transfers are woeful (LFC should take that away from his job discription) and subs sometimes questionable.

    However, Liverpool will finish well above their current position of 8th , but will have a fight on thier hands to claim that 4th spot that would keep Rafa in a job.

    A great many Pool fans are quoting "a run of bad luck" as the reason for the current "crises" - I buy that entirely, but ask that they (and the BBC pundits that backed them for the title) realised that they finished 2nd last year only due to a run of incredably good luck that ran for the whole season! It was very red tinted glasses that did not see that the great season was due to doing the double over thier 2 closest rivals (effectly 24 points if they were all 6 point games!) and winning most of their games with goals in stoppage time or the last few mins of play. To think that this luck would stay with LFC, and allow it to be built on was a fools game that most BBC pundit fell for hook line and sinker.

    It is time for all the ex LFC commentators employed by the BBC to throw the hands up, admit they were wrong and that last year was the one chance they had of recapturing the glory days of the 70s that most fans still think the team has........and Rafa blow it.

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  • 281. At 04:40am on 23 Oct 2009, beijingren wrote:

    I think I can shed some light on the knighthood issue.
    Unlike Sir Bobby, when HRH knighted Alex Ferguson she pronounced it SIR, but secretly spelled it CUR, same with Bob Geldof.
    I know that for a fact.
    So in future, when abbreviating, please refer to the Manchester United manager as CAF, in accordance with Her Majesty's wishes.

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  • 282. At 08:55am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    I think they started out with that name but it was a bit long so it ended up as Babyzoneian.
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    Is that where Babylon Zoo came from

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  • 283. At 09:14am on 23 Oct 2009, stewpot01 wrote:

    13. At 1:42pm on 22 Oct 2009, TorbenPiechnick wrote:

    Never ceases to amaze me how reactionary and easily-led some are.

    We're 9 games into a season and in 4 games Rafa has gone from hero to zero. Yes, Liverpool have had a terrible start this season. Yes, losing Alonso was undoubtably a blow. But should we be even thinking about getting rid of Benitez... NO!!

    Get it into perspective. Best season in years last year, even with gerrard and torres sitting most of it out. Alonso gone (his choice) but Johnson looks a good signing and Aquilani, his replacement, not fit yet. Torres and Gerrard both missing for the last few games. Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, all dropping points and putting in poor performances. 1 win and we could be in 4th place.

    Wait till Christmas... if liverpool still outside the top 5, then some of this hyperbole and criticism might be justified. Until then, just calm down...

    Poorly opinionated post:

    Liverpool are desperate to win the title and Benitez promised to build a side good enough to do so within Five years, which he has failed to do.

    Slice and dice it any way you like, but the wheels have come off the Anfield trolley. I still don't think Liverpool will win the title, even if they were to beat Manchester United (which, even as a neutral, I don't think they will). If it does not go to United then I believe Chelsea will win it.
    The over relaince on Gerraed/Torres is there for all to see, and some believe that Aquilani is going to be some kind of big solution to the gaping hole left by Alonso. he looks the kind of player will be lucky to play a third of the games you have left, I bet his club were laughing all the way to the bank. There is no guarantee that he will be able to strike up the same kind of partnership with Gerrad, who himself seems to be picking up knocks with more regularity.

    The bare truth is people like you need to get a grip on reality. Benitez has messed up on the PL front, his worst move, IMO, was not going for Tevez.
    In all honesty I think the owners cannot afford to sack him. These comments about the family liking him shows the ambition of the board, going nowhere.

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  • 284. At 09:20am on 23 Oct 2009, TommyB wrote:

    280

    Did that lease on my soul expire already? I was told it would last 2 full seasons.

    Seriously though, what you're saying about last minute winners is that luck is temporary (Liverpool) and title-winning guts is permanent (Man Utd). Perspective can be a fickle mistress, as it can deceive the mind and confound the senses. I also presume that the cliché, "you make your own luck", only applies to one of the above teams?

    I'm not saying Liverpool weren't lucky, but if Man Utd win the league this season let us remember Sunderland and Man City at OT, 3 points down to "luck". No judgement here, just a rugged application of a formula.

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  • 285. At 09:21am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    But should we be even thinking about getting rid of Benitez... NO!!

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    2 schools of thought on that

    1) Yes because the £13M you would lose is one less player you can afford in the transfer window

    2) No. Becasue you'll never win the league with him in charge.

    SAVE RAFA

    Also how funny would it be if Liverpool drew Everton when they drop into the Europa League and got beaten

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  • 286. At 09:27am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    I'm not saying Liverpool weren't lucky, but if Man Utd win the league this season let us remember Sunderland and Man City at OT, 3 points down to "luck". No judgement here, just a rugged application of a formula.

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    That's a fair assessment. You get luck when you create pressure and force the errors that lead to it. Liverpool are playing badly and that is why they are struggling. While points (reasonably valid as well) have been made that if Utd lost Rooney & Ferdinand or Arsenal lost Fabregas & RVP or Chelsea lost Lampard & Terry tyhey would struggle it is not to the same extent that Liverpool do when Gerrard & Torres are missing hence the observation 'cos like tramps in a park, there's a lot of poverty on the bench

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  • 287. At 09:41am on 23 Oct 2009, Rovers Return - HKR AWAY DAYS wrote:

    #87 - "Robbo Robson wrote - "The biggest shock this week was how many of the Champions League matches were interesting, not least that bloke Rubin Kazan turning over Barca."

    Robbo, was that bloke the genie in Alladin or one of Ali Baba's 40 thieves? I'm not sure which.


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    No that was Abi small (abysmal) haha.

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  • 288. At 09:42am on 23 Oct 2009, BoroBoyEst1988 wrote:

    I feel sorry for Southgate a bit like, he had nowt to work with in terms of resources compared to Robbo and McClaren. Then he inherited an ageing squad of has-beens that couldn't cut being bossed by their peer, despite their hefty wages. I think he was used a little by Boro, who just were hoping to stay in the Premiership long enough to steady the ship financially.

    I do agree though, time has come for change and I trust Gibbo's made the right decision in the imminent appointment of Strachan. Could put the fire back in the bellies of all of us at Boro!!

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  • 289. At 09:50am on 23 Oct 2009, Christian Cawley wrote:

    @boomshakalak

    Teesside might be poor, it might be polluted and in the middle of industrial turmoil - but I'm not having southerners and non fans coming on here and slagging off Boro fans who have opted not to turn up, not to buy tickets.

    Southgate has been a mediocre manager, veering from good to bad on a week by week basis. Good performances have been punctuated heavily by renowned poor ones in key games (FA Cup tie vs Cardiff, or this season's drubbing at home by West Brom).

    Unless you're a Boro fan and living through this and going or not going week to week, you're not in a position to offer judgement on whether Boro fans are loyal or not.

    A football club can't live off empty seats, and a sector of fans - unhappy with the abysmal performances that got us relegated and are passing for a promotion challenge - have voted with their feet. it hasn't been coordinated, it's been nothing more than a general feeling of discontent that Gibson didnt act earlier.

    Also in getting relegated, we should be getting around 25k fans (bearing in mind prices havent come down) - 17k is proof that something had to be done.

    Attendance will shoot up for the next home game.

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  • 290. At 10:09am on 23 Oct 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    Robbo wrote:

    "Then of course there was the big one. Liverpool making it four in a row. It's not Going For Gold, Rafa."

    How is Liverpool minus the two most important players losing to Lyon a bigger shock than Barca losing at home after spending 80mil over the summer?

    Also, why does an article about Southgate end about Benitez? Do you have to shoe-horn that lazyily into every single blog?

    Sort it out.

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  • 291. At 10:15am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #289 That is the most ridiculous excuse for treating teh manager badly going.

    Loyal - even the barcodes are getting about 3/4 of their ground sold out and Sunderland kept their attendances at 80-90% full when they got relegated whereas the Riverslide is only half-full at times. Maybe if the fans turned up and had got behind teh team rather than booing the manager at every opportunity and hadn't sold all their best players you may not have got relegated in the 1st place.

    I would say that WGS will not get you promoted this season and wither Cardiff or Preston will beat you to it

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  • 292. At 10:17am on 23 Oct 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    GazUTD

    "They really should worry when every single United fan I know doesn't want Rafa sacked. What does that say?!"

    And what do the Japanese and London tourists know about football?

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  • 293. At 10:17am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    How is Liverpool minus the two most important players losing to Lyon a bigger shock than Barca losing at home after spending 80mil over the summer?

    Also, why does an article about Southgate end about Benitez? Do you have to shoe-horn that lazyily into every single blog?

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    It's not a bigger shock it was actually quite predictable - watching Barca and Real lose this week was brilliant but Phil Minshull is likely to cover that and let's face it Rafa baiting is amusing so why not? Win or lose there is just something comical about the guy almost like a weeble with a clipboard just can't resist it.

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  • 294. At 10:18am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    And what do the Japanese and London tourists know about football?

    Nothing. That's why they turn up at Anfield every week.

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  • 295. At 10:23am on 23 Oct 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    33. At 2:19pm on 22 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:
    Better effort Robbo. I agree with most of what you say.

    How sad, JDR abandones any attempt at original thought and joins the queue to tell Robbo that this is even more interesting than the last time wrote the (same) article.

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  • 296. At 10:27am on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Ahoy thier CaptainLazyTown... You are on fine form this morning mate, its friday fella cheer up a bit... Honestly when your haveing a pop at old Joey Roaches for being to cheery, you got issues...

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  • 297. At 10:32am on 23 Oct 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    75. At 3:03pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    It's early days H2H!

    TommyO - won't you give us some of your pearls of wisdom on the Daily Mail article I posted last night?


    Because, just, maybe, you're the kind of 'football fan' who would read the Daily Mail? And waste everyone's time suggesting Scargill at right-back for England? Even though he's slower than Jason MacAteer faced with a Where's Wally book.

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  • 298. At 10:35am on 23 Oct 2009, Eddy Cordoza wrote:

    Why do people always say it's lucky when teams score late goals?

    Liverpool weren't lucky because of all the late goals they scored last season and United aren't lucky because they always score injury time winners - it's a reflection on their perseverance, fitness and above all else, their drive and determination.

    And yet you always get comments on these blogs attributing it to luck. If these blogs have taught me one things it's that people always want excuses.

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  • 299. At 10:36am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    I wouls rather have Red Nev than someone who goes for the big red thing rather than keep all he's paid quillions a week to play with out of teh net.

    BTW TommyO doesn't read the Daily Mail as only the Mirror, Star, Sport (cos of the pictures) Express, Guardian and the Morning Star (Communist Party paper) are allowed on Merseyside

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  • 300. At 10:37am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    That would be keep the ball he's paid squillions a week to play with out of the net.

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  • 301. At 10:40am on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    295. At 10:23am on 23 Oct 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
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    I would stand by what I said here. It was a better effort from Robbo than his previous few blogs. Being a character from Middlesbrough I think its reasonable that he would dedicate most of the blog to Southgates departure which was treated with a fair assesment.

    He works Liverpool into the blog yes, but this time its actually slightly justified as they are a team genuinly struggling at the moment without their best players so mentioning them for a footballing reason as opposed to Rafa's beard or Voronins ponytail is fair enough. I dont really expect any key insights into Robbos football analysis as thats not his job, but as long as he can put together a couple of reasonable points that hold up as opposed to mindless top 4 digs and repitive pantomine villains then I can find something positive to comment on. You may well think thats setting the bar to low but a certain amount of realism is needed when approaching the Robbo blog. I wouldnt bet against a future Robbo blog containing the latest soap gossip from the Blue Bell, groundless abuse of the big Four and their players and the latest Katie Price/Cheryl Cole outfit though and if that happens then I will again point out the failings and request better.

    This blog however is one of Robbos more reasonable ones with some debate worthy points.

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  • 302. At 10:42am on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    298... i think liverpools and uniteds success is only down to luck, nothing else at all... And everyone knows it!

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  • 303. At 10:45am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    and the latest Katie Price/Cheryl Cole outfit though

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    Unlikely I think we're more likely to get a review of Linsey Dawn McKenzie's new video with her female "co-stars" he could post the trailer but then the host would get modded, now that would be funny)

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  • 304. At 11:01am on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    And for anybody considering getting hold of a beach ball for the Liverpool match this weekend, you better think again with the news that police have banned all inflatables for the Anfield match.
    Full story: Manchester Evening News

    Where are all the "plastics" going to go?

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  • 305. At 11:03am on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    At 10:32am on 23 Oct 2009, captainlazytim wrote:
    75. At 3:03pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    It's early days H2H!

    TommyO - won't you give us some of your pearls of wisdom on the Daily Mail article I posted last night?


    Because, just, maybe, you're the kind of 'football fan' who would read the Daily Mail? And waste everyone's time suggesting Scargill at right-back for England? Even though he's slower than Jason MacAteer faced with a Where's Wally book.


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    Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

    I can see where the lazy comes from.

    Firstly I said this was the only thing the Daily Mail had ever done to justify their existence. ie I hate the Daily Mail but finally they have a good article.
    Secondly, and Adam will back me up on this, I hate Gary Neville. I want him playing for England because I don't want England to win. (There, I said it, it's true, come on what do you expect, it's been 43 years and we're still listening to that same old song ;0 )

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  • 306. At 11:04am on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    RBA of course it is luck, much like Aldershot FC being so unlucky that they actually ended up playing in the town of Aldershot.

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  • 307. At 11:04am on 23 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    Hi all :

    Hovering Gooner here.

    Nice lil read as usual from Robbo.

    On Topic:

    Best wishes to GS as has been said nice fella impeccably dressed at all times and beats Phil Browns fashion sense hands down .

    before i go. ( well hover actually )

    sightly of topic.

    Its someone's birthday on Sunday ! I hope you've all noticed and know to whom i refer if not here's a clue;

    he manages a top london outfit that went...................
    49 games UNBEATEN ! sorry for the caps.

    PS;

    for the benifit of those that have not been following my lone crusade thats the 2,978.877 .012 times I have mentioned this amazing feat.

    shine on you lot.

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  • 308. At 11:06am on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    H2H - does that mean that Rafa can't attend?

    More worrying though is that Rooney will probably be out. I might end up eating humble pie come Sunday night. I would ask what it tastes like but I don't think many people here have ever ate it.

    There's also news that there will be a 10,000 person protest at Anfield before the match on Sunday. The ferries from Norway must be packed.

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  • 309. At 11:06am on 23 Oct 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    adam, anyone who reads the Mail, anywhere, is an idiot.

    and Joe, i think you are suffering from quality deprivation. go and read some real sportswriting (doesn't even have to journalism). i get more laughs from cancer

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  • 310. At 11:07am on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Thanks Dave, I had almost forgotten about that feet/fete/feat/fate of brilliance.

    In other news...

    SAVE RAFA

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  • 311. At 11:10am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #305 - at least we won't be subjected to the Lightning Seeds song again as 44 years of hurt isn't exactly catchy

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  • 312. At 11:14am on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Yep Adam, before the last World Cup I said that the only thing England would be celebrating was the 40th anniversary of the last time they won anything. 44th anniversary doesn't quite have the same ring to it either.

    Although it will be. (Yes I am aware that Ireland have never won anything, but we did beat you a couple of times in major competitions which was hilarious)

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  • 313. At 11:14am on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    DG3, He turned 60 yesterday.

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  • 314. At 11:15am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    adam, anyone who reads the Mail, anywhere, is an idiot.

    That is so pathetic it's ridiculous. You might as well say that everyone who reads the Express is a conspiracy nut or everyone who reads the guardian is a lesbian pot-smoking communist.

    People read teh Daily Mail as it agrees with their political views, read the Sun because of the Sports coverage and brevity of story, the Telegraph/ Times/ because it is informative, Independent for Lib Dems, the Mirror if they support Labour, the Express if they are a conspiracy nut, guardian if they are a lesbian pot-smoking communist and the Sport if they like lots of dirty pictures and want to contact liek-minded rude peopel for naughty purposes.

    Seeping generalisations are wrong as if you were correct in your assertion then the Daily Mail would be Liverpool's best selling newspaper

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  • 315. At 11:17am on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    #308 Gaz, I was more worried for Sammy Lee.

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  • 316. At 11:17am on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Showbiz-News/Clive-Owen-Shrugs-Off-Oscar-Buzz-Surr9ounding-New-Film-The-Boys-Are-Back/Article/200910415411704?lpos=Showbiz_News_First_Media_Article_Teaser_Region__3&lid=ARTICLE_15411704_Clive_Owen_Shrugs_Off_Oscar_Buzz_Surr9ounding_New_Film_The_Boys_Are_Back



    I always knew Clive Owen had a bit of sense, even for Pool fan. (Btw was he born within 100 yards of the ground?)

    SAVE RAFA

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  • 317. At 11:24am on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    306... Even more unlucky, Aldershot FC disbanded in 1992, and when we reformed as Aldershot Town FC...... We still played in Aldershot!

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  • 318. At 11:28am on 23 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    GazUtd

    your most welcome.

    erm regarding GS being impecably dressed, i have just had another look at the pic accompanying this blog and wish to make a minor amendment.

    The shirt and tie look very swish but he could do with combing his hair.


    I wont join in on the Rafa bash, as i quite like the guy, but i do not like the colour of that tie he is wearing, nor that bin liner he's wearing with a hood.

    what a game it should be on sunday for both the mancs and scouse Im gonna tip pool to win 3-1 and erm dare i mention it, quite a few balloons being confiscated by the anfield security personell my gf wants to go to the game as she wishes to experience being padded up and down by someone with hands bigger than a JCB Bucket.

    and just to re-interate and for the benifit of those just joining us..

    it was 49 games unbeaten.

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  • 319. At 11:31am on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    DGM3... the urge to do a "bad luck for your girlfreind as they said no inflattables aloud" joke, is almost to hard to resist... But i will!

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  • 320. At 11:33am on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    I am always available to give any woman a padding down. Unless the wife sees that, then I'm not available. (Though I really am, ssshhhh)

    There will be definitely balloons on Sunday, I know a few who are taking them. Obviously they will just bring them in deflated and try to blow them up in the stand. Will be interesting to see thousands of people all trying to blow up balloons at once and loads of security rushing over yelling "Oi, stop blowing".

    Haven't seen security do that since I dj'd in a dodgy niteclub once.

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  • 321. At 11:34am on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Allowed... obviously (before CaptainLazyTown has a pop for me bad spellings)

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  • 322. At 11:39am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:


    If Rooney doesn't start what price Barbatov & Owen getting some goals. Btw does anyone know when Hargreaves is due back as Sunday would have been the perfect game for him.

    I reckon Utd will start with: -

    VDS
    Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra
    Valencia, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs
    Berbatov, Owen Unless Rooney is fit then Rooney, Owen

    Scousers

    Reina
    Kelly, Carragher, Skrtl, Insua
    Benayoun, Lucas, Mascherano, Babel,
    Kuyt, Torres

    I think Torres will get injured as he isn't fit and replaced by Ngog in the 1st half and Utd will win 2-0

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  • 323. At 11:41am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #320 - How many people will hide them in their undies and then shout stop touching my willy at the top of their voices when the security guys try checking.

    Could be very amusing

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  • 324. At 11:42am on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    RBA, inflattables aloud looks better, if you could teach them to sing, maybe they'd sound better too.

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  • 325. At 11:47am on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

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  • 326. At 11:49am on 23 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    RedBlueArmy92

    hahahahaaaa

    love it.

    she's bloomin flexible though next best thing to having a gymnast as ya bird. ohhh how i wish.

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  • 327. At 11:51am on 23 Oct 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    adam said:

    "I wouls rather have Red Nev than someone who goes for the big red thing rather than keep all he's paid quillions a week to play with out of teh net. "

    Which is why i compare you to tourists and idiots. you don't understand football, you just like being part of a big group. wonder what you and Gaz are dealing with to need that blanket.

    bored now, sorry, i mean hiding

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  • 328. At 11:57am on 23 Oct 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    ADAM, couldn't resist:

    That is so pathetic it's ridiculous. You might as well say that everyone who reads the Express is a conspiracy nut or everyone who reads the guardian is a lesbian pot-smoking communist.

    People read the Daily Mail as it agrees with their political views...

    precisely, i.e., idiots
    you make it too easy

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  • 329. At 11:58am on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    How do we know nothing about football. Is it too much to expect that Reina could have given the big red beachball to a steward while play was at the other end of the pitch or that Glenn Johnson could have kept his eye on the football that Darren bent was kicking (or heaven forbid actually rush out and try and close him down before he shoots)

    You make a contentious point and then do an Onion. I disagree with people when I think they are wrong and agree when I think they are right the group size doesn't matter (have even agreed with JDR on a few occasions.

    NEVILLE FOR UTD (ENGLAND AS WELL)

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  • 330. At 12:00pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    And I suppose you are a Guardian reader - explains why our education, social services and everything else is up the creek then.

    And by the way I read the Telegraph not the Mail

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  • 331. At 12:01pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    you know what concerns me with the people on here who have a go at the likes of Gaz and Adam, and well the rest of us who enter a bit of honest banter... They never mention which clubs they support?

    Think about it, CLT, JDR, IRA, Andre all of the naysayers i can think of and none of them mention thier allegience to anyone???

    It might just be me, but i have never trusted people who say they like football but done have a team.... Its creepy!

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  • 332. At 12:02pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    I read VIZ... not sure what that says about my politaical views or intelligence? Though it can't be good...

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  • 333. At 12:04pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #330 - response to captainlazytim at 328

    #329 response to #327 -

    on both occasions lazytim is being well...lazy making sweeping generalisations that are incorrect and biased.

    But does wanting better schools, less crime, no child abuse, taxpayers money to be spent wisely, lower taxes, less government intrusion at national and local level, freedom of speech & expression and to stop MP's making expenses claims that border on fraud make people idiots?

    Or do we have to live ina totalitarian state (or democratic dictatorship) that Labour or the BNP would lumber us with just like Guardian and Mirror readers would want

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  • 334. At 12:05pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    228. At 10:32pm on 22 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Don't want everyone to support United, if I did I would have made them all that way! :)

    I wouldn't expect people to revere Fergie, it's just the mindless insults that are not needed.

    And RedL, ah yes, chapter 2 verse 11 "And lo God made himself known, and he was dressed in red and seated in the Stretford end" how very astute of you to notice.
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    You can't be God I am and so is my wife..

    No ballooons I bet, everyone will be frisked before the match. It could be a complete disaster, I would say, if you are a United Fan, learn from the liverpool fans... Don't throw balls on the pitch the other side will score.

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  • 335. At 12:06pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    332. At 12:02pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:
    I read VIZ... not sure what that says about my politaical views or intelligence? Though it can't be good...

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    I thought they'd gone out of business years ago (means you like a pictorial mix between Private Eye and the Daily Sport)

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  • 336. At 12:08pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Don't throw balls on the pitch the other side will score.

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    Imagine the irony.. a Utd fan throws a ball onto the pitch, Lucas shoots, it hits the ball, goes in and the ref gives a drop ball and Neville clears it.

    I'd love to see Rafa's face if it happened

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  • 337. At 12:08pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    328. At 11:57am on 23 Oct 2009, captainlazytim wrote:

    ADAM, couldn't resist:

    That is so pathetic it's ridiculous. You might as well say that everyone who reads the Express is a conspiracy nut or everyone who reads the guardian is a lesbian pot-smoking communist.

    People read the Daily Mail as it agrees with their political views...

    precisely, i.e., idiots
    you make it too easy
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    Why the hell else would you read the Daily Mail or any other paper for that matter if you don't agree with it's political views?

    And of course everyone who reads the gaurdian is a pot smoking comunist lesbian..... I just happen to be trapped in a mans body a capitalists mind and health freaks lungs, but if I could break out, I would definitely chat up women, smoke pot and share the wealth.

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  • 338. At 12:12pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Adam I've read the Mirror for 20 years and I don't want that.

    Granted I do only read it because Andy Capp is in it but still.

    RBA they all have a go at us because we are United fans and they hate us with a passion, even if they won't admit it. As for admitting which team they support, surely when they see you admitting to supporting Aldershot they can't possibly think they can be any worse.

    (Sorry, too hard to resist)

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  • 339. At 12:19pm on 23 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    @Collie21: dont slate Gaz for claiming he is god, you may be god as well.

    Its the insistence on being the only one and the stuff that comes with it that messes stuff up big way.

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  • 340. At 12:19pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Collie

    If that's the case I think Dierdrie Saunders in the Sun knows some people who can help with that.

    Seriously though that was a parody use to highlight captain lazytims lazy views (there have to be 1 or 2 blokes who read the guardian I guess)

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  • 341. At 12:21pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    RBA they all have a go at us because we are United fans and they hate us with a passion, even if they won't admit it. As for admitting which team they support, surely when they see you admitting to supporting Aldershot they can't possibly think they can be any worse.

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    I don't know I've heard about some wierdos who support Middlesbrough

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  • 342. At 12:21pm on 23 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    So having gotten bored with slaging each other off based on what team we support we've now resorted to slagging each other off based onwhat paper we read.

    Ah what the hell. I read The Times for Jezza's column on a sunday. Make of that what you will :P

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  • 343. At 12:25pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Who's Jezza?

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  • 344. At 12:25pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    I just wait to buy his books Starfire. Always find it funny when someone publishes a book of their weekly columns and say that they've written a book!

    And I would get The Guardian for Charlie Brookers column but I'm too lazy, bought his book too.

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  • 345. At 12:26pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    ADAM!! Seriously!!

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  • 346. At 12:27pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Easy Gaz... Dont make me get on my local club moral high horse!

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  • 347. At 12:29pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Ahh, i just read Charlie Brooker online... the comments that proceed even rival this fine page for entertainment...

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  • 348. At 12:29pm on 23 Oct 2009, Starburst_995 wrote:

    'I just wait to buy his books Starfire. Always find it funny when someone publishes a book of their weekly columns and say that they've written a book!'

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    No need to even do that as he publishes his columns on the Times' website every Sunday (Provided he's written anything that week.)

    Adam, Jezza = Jeremey Clarkson ;)

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  • 349. At 12:35pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Oh Clarkson - he does the Sun on a Saturday as well (I buy that on a Saturday and Monday as the footie section is brilliant although Steven Howard's Beckham bashing after England games winds me up).

    I watch Top Gear sometimes and to be fair he is funny especially when he was doing the Scirroco advert campaign. Hammonds flower advert with it it blooming as teh ENgine came to life, revved then purred was brilliant and tehn Clarkson did the funeral one and wrecked James may's one by blowing the car up. Brilliant

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  • 350. At 12:37pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    Wow - so adam is a S*n reader - just when you thought you couldn't think less of somebody....

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  • 351. At 12:46pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Ahhh the wanderer returns.

    So you must have had time to read the Mail article then Tommy? Thoughts?

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  • 352. At 12:48pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    what Mail article?

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  • 353. At 12:49pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    not that poisonous filth written by Jan Moir the other week?

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  • 354. At 12:50pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Th efollwoing got moderated - proof that the moderators read the Daily Express (or is defamation for accusing them of that?)

    Posting:
    #502 - I said that The Daily Express headlines repeated and seemed ti support an alleged conspiracy involving Princess Diana's death being caused by Prince Philip & MI6 Now either MI6 are reading this or one of the moderators works for the Express.

    I am now going to get into more trouble by typing the next 2 words which will bring some form of CIA based retribution

    OPERATION BLACKBRIAR

    help... oh dear where is Jason Bourne when you need him

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  • 355. At 1:00pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    350. At 12:37pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyOnion wrote:
    Wow - so adam is a S*n reader - just when you thought you couldn't think less of somebody....


    Could be worse - could read the Mirror/ Sport like yourself or come from Liverpool.

    And I actually am a Telegraph reader during the week the Sun football pullout is just better on a Saturday and Monday.

    as for Jan Moirs article did you actually read it? From what I've seen there were 2 valid points made; -

    1) Civil Partnerships are not some happy ever after fairytale and have the same problems as hetero-sexual marriages

    2) Why was Stephen Gateley's civil partner in bed with another bloke that they had picked up at a night club while Stephen was sleeping in a seperate room (does appear a bit sordid really and if it had been a straight bloke in bed with another woman of a wife in bed with another bloke while their spouse was in another room there would have bene no criticism of that column at all).

    Tommy the only thing that is happening here is that you are coming across as a bitter uninformed whinger who has to resort to name calling as you lack the intelligence for reasoned argument. If that is not the case then reply with something that isn't a childish insult.

    Not sure what else she said and quite frankly I have no interest in Boyzone and given my preferred music is HiNRG dance I have no issue with people of that persuasion before you try accusing me of being a bigot.

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  • 356. At 1:06pm on 23 Oct 2009, HURLEYMA wrote:

    afternoon all from cloudy Prague -villa fan here -first time using this just a few things

    1)sorry Liverpool fans i don't think you are going to win either the pl or the champs league - as your Rafa is not the man to get you their -and as for those saying their is no one out their to replace him i think you would be surprised -may i introduce you to a Mr.Keegan who is currently out of employment or even Joe Kinnear as newcastle were doing pretty well with him at the wheel -but i think you might be able to cling to fourth place but you will have a fight for it with man city, spurs and of course ourselves

    2)Robbo wonderful article this and also last week -keep it up

    3)gaz utd, adampsb and also red and blue army loving your banter here , i have not had a really good laugh in such a long time also must ask mr god (gaz utd) when you created SAF why did you have to create rafa ?

    --------also in news -------
    must go with the rest SAVE RAFA !!

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  • 357. At 1:06pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    yes, I read it. Sticking up for anything in that article automatically makes you a bigot. It was disgusting and the 'journalist' and editor who let it go to print should be fired. The fact it was in the Daily Mail means no such thing will happen. They'll happily villify Jonathon Ross/Russel Brand for a 'joke' that went far too far but stand by despicable homophobic ramblings of their own.

    and i really shouldn't be surprised you read the S*n

    I would expect all football fans to be better than that but sadly it's never going to be the case.

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  • 358. At 1:07pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    SAVE RAFA

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  • 359. At 1:10pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    Oh and the sheer hypocrisy of this was priceless, btw.


    355. At 1:00pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Tommy the only thing that is happening here is that you are coming across as a bitter uninformed whinger who has to resort to name calling as you lack the intelligence for reasoned argument

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  • 360. At 1:16pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    You know Tommy you have just proved my point. The only bigot on this site is you. You constantly demonstrate that you are unable to assess information and then provide intelligent comment on it.

    Are all civil partnerships happy? No - ask Matt Lucas. There has been quite a high amount of them being dissolved recently so point 1 is actually true.

    Point 2 if those circumstances are correct is also true threfore not bigoted at all as it would be viewed as sordid if it was a straight couple involved.

    Jonathan Ross went too far as they actually telephoned Mr Sachs up. If they had just made the jokes on air then chances are that he and Russell would not have been villified at all it was what they did not what they said that was the issue.

    And as the Sun has the highest circulation of any newspaper in Britain I think it is fair to say that a lot of football fans read it. The Mirror is next and is pretty much just a left-wing version of the Sun. So you have approximately 15 million people in Britain read one of those 2 papers.

    The editor let it get printed as we live in a cou8ntry where free speech is allowed, the journalist concerned balanced the column withe a reminder of the fact that she actually SUPPORTS Civil Partnerships for gay people.

    I have gay friends, some of my favourite musicians, TV stars and authors are gay so I am not bigoted in the slightest. You however are and it is something apparent by the fact that your responses to people on any subject are rude, obnoxious and generally insulting.

    Why don't you consider how you come across before slating others.

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  • 361. At 1:17pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

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  • 362. At 1:19pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    i'd love to know what your gay friends think of your support for that article

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  • 363. At 1:21pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    I am not bitter or uninformed or whinging. I do name-calling at times when it is called for but it is not my only recourse.

    Why must you always look to be negative to people. Your approach is very similar to Ira_abu's who let his hatred of Utd stop him having any reasonable debates because all he wanted to do was insult us and couldn't accept any argument which didn't criticise United.

    As an interesting asidfe reuters South Africa are saying that the majority of LFC fans want Rafa out in favour of Kenny.

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  • 364. At 1:29pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    Not going to be lectured on reasoned debate by some bloke whose stock in trade is to make up FACTS about Liverpool on every blog and on every occasion he's shown to be talking b*llocks



    as for South African Reuters ! I'm awaiting their call as we speak !

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  • 365. At 1:29pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    My gay friends Tommy are able to look at the article assess it properly and while they were not happy with a lot of what was expressed also thought 1 or 2 points were fair comment (happened to be the 2 that they brought to my attention which I mentioned). I don't particularly like Jan Moir but then I also don't like Polly Toynbee but some things she says are fair although I disagree with most of it.

    Balance and perspective are important and maybe if you looked at the article as a whole rather than just the senstaionelised parts of it you would see that. Yes some of her comments were out of order and some were not.

    I take it you haven't bothered reading her clarification of the points raised by the complaints in an effort to get balance and perspective then

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  • 366. At 1:33pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Makes a change from me and Denis going at it I suppose!!

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  • 367. At 1:33pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #364 - make up facts - type liverpool fc into google and it appears that teh article wants him to go. At least I can admit I misinterpreted something.

    Can you?

    and again why is it that when anyone disagrees with teh glorious lfc you accuse them of talking rubbish. Take of your red-tinted specs and maybe you can, along with everyone else, see that being in 8th after 9/9 games is not acceptable and losing 4-5 games before Christmas is not title-winning form

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  • 368. At 1:35pm on 23 Oct 2009, HURLEYMA wrote:

    366. At 1:33pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Makes a change from me and Denis going at it I suppose!!

    have to agree with you their omg i am agree with a man utd fan what is wrong with me lol

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  • 369. At 1:35pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Gaz - at least you and Denis have intelligent debates rather than the petty name calling about what newspaper I may or may not read.

    I'mm off for a bit as have a meeting

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  • 370. At 1:36pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    The article didn't need 'clarification' - it needed an unreserved apology to the family and a retraction.

    I don't believe for one second your gay friends thought anything in that article were fair comment either, btw.


    and now lunchtime is over, so i'm out of here. Just in case you thought i'd be hiding.

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  • 371. At 1:43pm on 23 Oct 2009, bluehellsbells wrote:

    Personally I find onions often leave a nasty taste in the mouth and often repeat on people

    GodUtd - I know how unselfishly want to SAVE RAFA and want Neville to keep playing for England, just wondered - as you are God - if you could repatriate Neville for a day, would you 'make' him French and put him in team against Ireland

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  • 372. At 1:43pm on 23 Oct 2009, HURLEYMA wrote:

    wow starting to become like a playground here -right her article in the mail the first time i read i thought this woman is a bit of a biggot , but i have read it once again and okay i understand what she was trying to get at that going of with basically and leaving your partner in the lving is a bit cheeky (having to agree) no matter what sexual orientation is and that yes same sex marriages also hit the divorce proceedings but why are we looking to celebs about marriages any wey i think most last about a year these days - but what i did not agree with was her saying it was a lifestyle-excuse me but it has now been proven you are actually born that way so it is not a life style choice at all but already in a persons genetics -please people back to subject or will i have to take both you toys away

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  • 373. At 1:45pm on 23 Oct 2009, Jonny Browne wrote:

    I've seen a lot of discussion about Gareth Southgate's perceived lack of passion. The folloing stor might tell you something.

    I'm a lifelong Aston Villa fan and was present at the 2000 FA Cup final, a dreadful day from my point of view, when we just didn't perform and were beaten, with no great effort required, 1-0 by a pre-Abramovich Chelsea side.

    I knew in my heart it wouldn't be our day, though, as I watched the two captains in their Cup Final suits before the game - Dennis Wise was walking happily round the stadium just in front of the terracing, waving and chatting to the fans, and geeing everyone up clearly excited and proud to be there....while Gareth Southgate just stood alone on the pitch, staring absently up at the twin towers and looking like it was the last place he wanted to be.


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  • 374. At 1:50pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Bluehellsbells it would be great if Gladys could play for the French against us, but I can't make him French.

    Well it's not that I can't. It's just that I won't. I like the French and there's no need to do that to them as a people.

    Does anyong think that I should point out that 'that' Daily Mail article wasn't the one I was referring to? No? Let them keep going then!

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  • 375. At 2:00pm on 23 Oct 2009, HURLEYMA wrote:

    374. At 1:50pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Bluehellsbells it would be great if Gladys could play for the French against us, but I can't make him French.

    Well it's not that I can't. It's just that I won't. I like the French and there's no need to do that to them as a people.

    Does anyong think that I should point out that 'that' Daily Mail article wasn't the one I was referring to? No? Let them keep going then!


    -looks like you started a war of the words with these two but may i ask which article you were speaking about as i am not sure which one as we don't get a chance to read the mail online much and buying one here is like trying to buy david villa (oops sorry liverpool fans again) lol

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  • 376. At 2:01pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    373... I can imagine that perfectly. I dont imagine he could have ever inspired much confidence in his team as a manager. It would be a bit like being led to battle with Frank Spencer as your general...

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  • 377. At 2:04pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    The Daily Mail article was one about how Rafa has bought 70 players and spent £229 million, so hardly a lack of funding which is what most Pool fans are claiming.

    Anyway, SAVE RAFA.

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  • 378. At 2:07pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #375 - I have returned..

    To be fair the word Hello would start a war of words with Onion as he just hates me.

    Hurley I would say thet while she was woring about being indicative of a lifestyle everyone still has a choice as to whether they follow or repress their desires (hence monks, nuns, hermits etc). To argue otherwise reduces mankind to the level of animals who can't control themselves.

    Gaz to your delight I have heard that a certain tabloid columnist has speculated that now Gary Neville is injury free he may displace John O'Shea anf Glenn Johnson from the respective line-ups

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  • 379. At 2:09pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    377. At 2:04pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    Yes but how much of that finance was raised from having to sell his own players should be included aswell. It wasnt just a blank a cheque a la Man City.

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  • 380. At 2:11pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Ere at lunch i see on SkySports news that up to 10,000 'Pool fans are gonna march in protest against Hicks and Gillette on Sunday...

    Why?

    They resecured your debts and gave Rafa a ton of support (even now) and plenty of funds...

    Ok on the support issue i remeber the Klinsman insident, but since they have given public backing many times to Rafa...

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  • 381. At 2:12pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    JDR... you are one of us now! haha

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  • 382. At 2:14pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Joe I think you will find that most of the players Rafa sold were ones that he bought in the first place.

    All teams have transfers out so it is no excuse whatsoever. He has spent a fortune and made some downright awful buys. Yes Fergie may have done the same but he has a shedload of trophies in return.

    Are we getting closer to you revealing who you support then Joe?


    Adam, I am petrified that Gladys might start on Sunday.

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  • 383. At 2:14pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    This is true and it would be interesting to see. Wneger and Fergie also raise funds through sales as well as investment. I think Rafa's NET spending is £70M.

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  • 384. At 2:15pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Sorry I have just re-read my last post and it may give the idea that I don't really think much of Rafa as a manager.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.


    SAVE RAFA

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  • 385. At 2:17pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Gaz I am almost certain that Gary will start on Sunday given that he is more likely to worry Insua with his crossing than O'Shea will

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  • 386. At 2:17pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    yeah Joe... who are your team?

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  • 387. At 2:20pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Adam he may get the odd cross better, it is the complete inability to defend that I am worried about.

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  • 388. At 2:21pm on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    RBA, our mate CC is back

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  • 389. At 2:23pm on 23 Oct 2009, awesomeMr_Burns wrote:

    Be it Rafas bad buys,injury,lack of form,Rafas dodgy sub selection,beach balls,Rafas funny beard or the nice pattern on the pitch that some clever bloke with a lawn mower has done.
    Pool aint winning nowt this season!!!

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  • 390. At 2:30pm on 23 Oct 2009, Roxy wrote:

    er...reality check, yes Southgate is inexperienced and another manager may have done better with the squad he has...but he inherited a poor squad from McClaren, who I thought flattered to decieve as boro manager (his tactial naivity was there for everyone but the FA to see..but he was the man for the jo....oh no, it was Scolari they actually wanted...)...and was then further undermined by the sale of the only decent strikers the club had...anyone remember Yakubu? The club got relegated becasue they couldn't score goals...but they didn't have anyone capable of scoring goals...did the board step in and support Southgate with transfer funds in the January transfer window? Personally I think the board accepted the clubs demise a long time ago and Southgate was just the unfortunate who happened to be in charge when it occured...irrepsective of his management abiltiy, I think any manager would have/would be struggled at boro...stop blaming the Southgoat and take a look at the broader picture...

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  • 391. At 2:34pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    My own view with Benitez is hes had a more restricted transfer environment than Utd and Chelsea. Man Utd and Chelsea could afford to make the odd dud buy and not have to sell of players to generate new funds whereas Benitez if he made a few signings that didnt work out would be forced to sell first before he could buy again.

    The squad he inherited wasnt great either - specially in midfield if I can remeber. (Biscan,Smicer,McCallister,Berger,Murphy?? etc) which were Houllier buys I think. So his starting squad was well behind Arsenals and Man Utds at the time.

    As for the buys themselves. Plenty have been decent on paper but when guys like Crouch, Keane, Bellamy etc struggle you have to think its more of a systems thing rather than bad players. Granted hes had some howlers aswell.

    Put it this way, given the position he took over in I think it was a tough ask to beat free spending Chelsea and Arsenal and Man Utd teams that had benefitted from long periods of stability. I dont think hes done a terrible job but there could easily have been guys that could have done better. Out of the big 4, if I was a maneger, Liverpools set up would arguably be the hardest to have taken over from at that stage and bar maybe Arsenal I dont think hes had the flexible spending budget that the 200+ million suggests.

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  • 392. At 2:37pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:



    Still no word on your team then Joe?

    As for Rafa, how many players has he had to sell against his will? He got rid of people because HE wanted to. And you can't have Alonso, we all know why that happened.

    SAVE RAFA

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  • 393. At 2:37pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    I dont support any Premiership team but Arsenal would be my current favourites to watch from a purely footballing sense if we are talking English football.

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  • 394. At 2:37pm on 23 Oct 2009, Roxy wrote:

    as for Rafa.....its time he stopped living on the fluke champions league win in his first season in charge, I'm no 'pool fan, but even I can admit that was one of the best finals of all times and I'd always rather see English teams doing well, but it was a freak result and on any other day 'pool would have ben dead and buried...where's this "empire" Benitez has built....3 first team players out injured is not an injury crisis, Everton had 11 first team players missing last night -that- is an injury crisis, the fact is 2/3 of the injured players are the 2 who carry a tema dominated by the overrated, sub-standard players Rafa has brought in. That said it is 'pool afterall, I hope Rafa reigns eternal....long may it last

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  • 395. At 2:41pm on 23 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    cracking stuff you lot lol

    I wonder what Robbo makes of it all.

    i wont mention...... you know what hehe.


    Up the Gunners.

    Save Rafa : seconded

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  • 396. At 2:41pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    390. At 2:30pm on 23 Oct 2009, RoxyDA wrote:
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    The broad picture doesnt make great reading for Southgate either. He sold off his best strikers - granted but Im pretty sure the likes of Alves wasnt cheap. His squad wasnt great but was it any worse than the likes of Hull or Stoke? I doubt it. He never looked like being able to take the team forward and the impression I got from him would be he would be a much better assistant than an actual manager.

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  • 397. At 2:41pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Joe - Which non-premier league team do you support I mean it's not anyone shameful like (whisper it) Spennymoor United is it?

    H2H who is CC

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  • 398. At 2:42pm on 23 Oct 2009, HURLEYMA wrote:

    393. At 2:37pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    I dont support any Premiership team but Arsenal would be my current favourites to watch from a purely footballing sense if we are talking English football.

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    interesting could you support a team from league 1 ?

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  • 399. At 2:43pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Joe thats a cop out... I don't support any Premier league team... But i love the Mighty Shots!

    Come on man, everyone likes how Arsenal play (tho i am with you gaz, it's not the giz-fest many would have you believe)

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  • 400. At 2:49pm on 23 Oct 2009, NewEnglandGunner wrote:

    In the US, it's not "nice guys come second", it's "nice guys finish last", attributed to the late baseball manager Leo Durocher. I could see SAF or Keane using that in the locker room at the half.

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  • 401. At 2:49pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #400 - it could be he supports Southend - comment 400

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  • 402. At 2:50pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    curses 401 - foiled again

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  • 403. At 2:52pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    392. At 2:37pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Still no word on your team then Joe?

    As for Rafa, how many players has he had to sell against his will? He got rid of people because HE wanted to. And you can't have Alonso, we all know why that happened.

    SAVE RAFA
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    I dont know the ins and outs of the transfer policy at Liverpool so I cant really comment on what Benitez had/had not to sell. However the fact that there were periods of tension in the past seemed to hinge around transfer policy and funds. The bottom line is I dont think he had parity at any stage with Chelsea or Man Utd in terms of transfer power.

    Another way of looking at it is that he has been more succesful than Wenger in the last 4 years yet Arsene is untouchable largely due to an attractive brand of football and the recognition that hes had less resources than Chelsea and Man Utd.

    I guess it depends on your expectations. If your expectation was for him to win the Premiership in 5 years then he will have failed (although a Champions League is fair compensation). I think that was a very difficult ask though given the power of Man Utd and Chelsea so im not shocked he never won the league.

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  • 404. At 2:54pm on 23 Oct 2009, NewEnglandGunner wrote:

    OF course, if Boro did come second this year, it would be a triumph.

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  • 405. At 2:54pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    I tell you Joe could give Gordon Brown a run for his money on avoiding answering questions on chocolate biscuits - spill the beans is it Chester City, Leeds (at least give some clues)

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  • 406. At 3:00pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    was this the Daily Mail article ?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-517390/Roman-takes-Chelsea-spending-578m.html



    oh and #394 - the idea that you can 'fluke' winning the Champions League is one of the most ridiculous things i've read on these blogs - and that's in the face of some incredibly stiff competition.


    Nice to see JDR step away from abusing Robbo and make a whole lot of sense, btw. Post #403 is bang on the money, if you pardon the pun.


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  • 407. At 3:01pm on 23 Oct 2009, HURLEYMA wrote:

    405. At 2:54pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    I tell you Joe could give Gordon Brown a run for his money on avoiding answering questions on chocolate biscuits - spill the beans is it Chester City, Leeds (at least give some clues)

    --------------------------------

    blast as i thinking maybe leeds -so Joe could it be any of these Crewe , MK Dons or port vale ?

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  • 408. At 3:03pm on 23 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    well as should be well known by now I surport Arsenal.

    i have a soft spot also for Stenhousemuir my local village is kinda twinned with them and they are always good for a score draw on the Pools ( thats Football Pools ) pity ive never managed the other seven to go with them. but then its just like the Lottery, each week I pick the 6 numbers, and each week i pick the wrong ones.

    My fav sport to both watch and play is Rugby Union

    and i work for the USAF as a fighter pilot in F16s as and when required.


    when i am not flying jets I do a bit of space walking for NASA

    and when i am not doing any of the above

    I am a music composer and can boast to be one of only 3000 persons worldwide to own and play an Oasys keyboard/studio .

    its made by....erm im not sure i am allowed to say that, and having my posts rejected is not doing my chances of becoming a Mod for the BBC Sports pages any good at all.

    PS: 49 games unbeaten in case anyone has forgotten.

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  • 409. At 3:03pm on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Adam, CC = Chris Charles.(Rewiew of the week)


    Gaz, I see you've taken your camaign SAVE RAFA nationwide, wéll at least to the above mentioned blog, well I'm convinced, so you've got my vote.

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  • 410. At 3:05pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 411. At 3:11pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    410. At 3:05pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Nice to see Tommy agreeing with Joe, he's done as well as Joe avoiding the question put to him.


    avoiding what question ?


    I suppose you don't really fluke the CL Tommy. Even if that's what most of you lot said after 99.

    United were undoubtedly fortunate in the final but they got there on merit, the 3-2 win in Turin in the semi-final remains one of the all-time outstanding performances by an English side in Europe.

    Liverpool recovered from being totally outplayed to produce a stunning comeback against Milan. Beating the italian champions in the quarter finals, the english champions in the semi final and then that AC Milan team in the final is not the stuff of a fluke.




    What you can do though is cheat your way to it by getting your most saintly of players and captain to dive for a penno.


    see - how can one have a 'reasoned debate' in the face of rubbish like this?

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  • 412. At 3:13pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    So you are denying that your captain dived?

    You still haven't given your view on the article about how Rafa has spent £229 million on 70 players.

    How is this lack of funding?

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  • 413. At 3:19pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    DGS - is that the same Keyboard that Chris Lowe from the Pet Shop Boys (I bet you are really Pete Gleadell in disguise aren't you as he has one, is a Gooner and unless he is on sound-check has a lot of free time (actually funny how you always dissappear when he's at a concert).

    Also do you have a Korg KAOS padd as Chris has one of those as well and it's is absolutely brilliant. (my sister in law showed me one as she composes as well - she co-wrote young Osmond's song on American Idol)

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  • 414. At 3:24pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    412. At 3:13pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    So you are denying that your captain dived?

    Absolutely. The only people ever accusing him of diving in that game are Man Utd fans - funny that. Never one word about it from Milan/Gattuso.


    You still haven't given your view on the article about how Rafa has spent £229 million on 70 players.

    How is this lack of funding?

    It's a comparative thing. I've never said he's had no money to spend but you have to look at in context. If Rafa's spending £229M whilst Chelsea are spending £500m+ why should there be an expectation that we will finish above them?

    To win the League we have to overcome them as well as an experienced United side assembled at far greater expense than our own.

    Rafa's net spend is at around about £18m a season. Man City have just spent over £100m in one transfer window with plenty more to come by the looks of it.

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  • 415. At 3:26pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    Seeing as you're all so in love with Rafa at the moment you may find this an interesting read

    http://tomkinstimes.com/2009/10/my-day-with-crisis-hit-benitez/

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  • 416. At 3:28pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    and this one's for you, Gaz

    http://tomkinstimes.com/2009/10/the-cost-of-premiership-success/

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  • 417. At 3:28pm on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Adam I see you think that DG3 is a Pet Shop Boy, but wasn't David Gilmour (the 1st?) amember of Pink Floyd?

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  • 418. At 3:31pm on 23 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    adampsb

    i do not have the Kaos pad

    and hey dude well done to ya sis! wicked stuff.

    i beaver away at my tunes and well just to say this Oasys rocks big time

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  • 419. At 3:33pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Tomkins!!

    HAHAHAHAHA

    You are really scraping the barrel now Tommy!!

    Phil 'I want to have Rafa's babies' Tomkins!!

    Someone so biased that he would make Bill O'Reilly look like a quite normal chap.


    Interesting though Tommy that you were the only one who was banging the 'Rooney dived' drum a few weeks back. And very loudly.

    But then I suppose it's ok when you do it and it definitely was a dive but when St. Steven dives and anyone dares question it that's a different matter isn't it!!

    (For those of you who don't know who Tomkins is, he was the "journalist" who asked Rafa the leading question which lead to the A4 FACHKT SHEET being produced last year and Rafa losing the plot)

    SAVE RAFA

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  • 420. At 3:33pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Actually I think Mr Lowe has an M3 Workstation but I looked the Oasys up and it looks pretty smooth

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  • 421. At 3:39pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    H2H - No he isn't a Pet Shop Boy - Pete Gleadell works for Neil & Chris as programmer/ musical director on tour.

    I appreciate DG1 was in Pink Floyd - DG3 obviously influenced but hey no-ones perfect (I mean we can forgive him that and supporting Arsenal - although Neil once said that Chris Lowe owned a Pink Floyd album - on cassette as if that somehow compounded the error)

    By teh way DG3 - have you ever had any hits or worked with Xenomania (as I think they aren't that far from you) and you could get to meet Cheryl Cole as they do Girls Aloud's albums as well as the latest PSB album Yes

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  • 422. At 3:41pm on 23 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Disappointingly, a spot of work has interfered with my attendance at today's Love-In.

    However, If LFC beat Man U by 1 goal, Chelsea draw and Spurs win by 3, we'll have three tied on points and goal difference with Arsenal poised just behind with a game in hand. Will Liverpool keep up their end of the deal?

    What a great time of year. Bolton are just 14 points back (with a game in hand).

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  • 423. At 3:43pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    There's an undoubted bias of Tomkins articles, he's a confirmed red but you can still read the articles and try and dispute what he has to say in them.

    Fact is the two teams with the most expensive squads and who pay the biggest wages have shared the last 5 titles between them. Dispute it away - i'm all ears....


    "Interesting though Tommy that you were the only one who was banging the 'Rooney dived' drum a few weeks back. And very loudly."

    And unfortunately this is the sort of lie i have come to expect from you. Again, I say - how can there be 'reasoned debate' where one protagonist wilfully makes up things about the other. The FACT of the matter is there were huge numbers of people talking about Rooney's dive v Arsenal (I'm quite happy to admit being one of the many), as were there of his 'winning' of the penalty for England a few days later.

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  • 424. At 3:43pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVb2gbMtN3I


    33 seconds Tommy.

    The rest are pretty good too.

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  • 425. At 3:44pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    419... Well if thats true Gaz how come Lawro, Hansen and Phil Thompson all say the same thing?? Or are we meant to believe thier is some huge pro liverpool bias in the football media?

    Well???

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  • 426. At 3:45pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Tommy I would rather listen to you than read a Tomkins article, and that is saying something.

    There is no place for people like Tomkins in any sort of journalism, the same goes for that idiot Crerand at MUTV. I refuse to subscribe to it because they employ him.

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  • 427. At 3:46pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    RBA - I'm not sure about conspiracies or bias but there is a common theme linking those 3 and Lawro predicts a 1-1 draw on Sunday - probably tried typing Utd to win and his fingers just wouldn't obey..must resist truth...Liverpool can't lose....

    Next you'll be insinuating that the guy who presents MOTD likes Spurs

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  • 428. At 3:48pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    RBA I couldn't possible speak for any of those 3 people. Perhaps you should ask Jamie Redknapp.

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  • 429. At 3:48pm on 23 Oct 2009, HURLEYMA wrote:

    427. At 3:46pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    RBA - I'm not sure about conspiracies or bias but there is a common theme linking those 3 and Lawro predicts a 1-1 draw on Sunday - probably tried typing Utd to win and his fingers just wouldn't obey..must resist truth...Liverpool can't lose....

    ha ha ha amazing simply amazing i did need an other good laugh on a slow working day

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  • 430. At 3:49pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    424. At 3:43pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVb2gbMtN3I


    yes, ive seen it hundreds of times, including live in the stadium when it happened - look at it on 32 seconds, Gerrard's clean through Gattuso pulls him back and on 33 seconds he clips his left ankle = penalty.

    Notice how none of the Milan players accuse Gerrard of diving ?

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  • 431. At 3:50pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Well Adam, thats why i watch Sky Sports, i prefer someon eunbisaed like Charlie Nicholas... I am sure Denis will agree...

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  • 432. At 3:53pm on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    403. At 2:52pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote

    Another way of looking at it is that he has been more succesful than Wenger in the last 4 years yet Arsene is untouchable largely due to an attractive brand of football and the recognition that hes had less resources than Chelsea and Man Utd.

    Joe, I kind of agree but I think that there's a lot more to it than just attractive football. AW completly transformed the club in almost every concievable way, he came to a club in 1996 that had a turnover of £21m and transformed it into a recognised European powerhouse that had a turnover of over £313m in 2009.
    That's why his Tenure, unlike many of those of his closist rivals, can never be measured alone in terms of trophies won.

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  • 433. At 3:53pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    That would be none of the Milan players who have their hands in the air appealing that it's not a penalty then?

    Those specs get redder by the day Tommy.

    And have a read of the comments, so much for your "nobody from Milan complains" theory.

    Tommy this is the reason everyone says that they can't have a reasoned debate with you.

    Weeks ago you wouldn't let it lie that Rooney dived, now you are saying that pretty much exactly the same thing by St. Steven is a penalty. It is completely impossible for you to admit to any faillings or wrong doings by anyone who has ever came close to a Liverpool shirt.

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  • 434. At 3:54pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    Oh and the Sheffield Utd one - another classic manc peddled myth - notice how instead of diving Gerrard avoids the challenge, stumbles, stays on his feet and gets a shot in, before falling over ?


    The others i'll give you - none of which were in a European Cup final though, so the original point stands.

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  • 435. At 3:54pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    At 3:53pm on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
    403. At 2:52pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote

    Another way of looking at it is that he has been more succesful than Wenger in the last 4 years yet Arsene is untouchable largely due to an attractive brand of football and the recognition that hes had less resources than Chelsea and Man Utd.

    Joe, I kind of agree but I think that there's a lot more to it than just attractive football. AW completly transformed the club in almost every concievable way, he came to a club in 1996 that had a turnover of £21m and transformed it into a recognised European powerhouse that had a turnover of over £313m in 2009.
    That's why his Tenure, unlike many of those of his closist rivals, can never be measured alone in terms of trophies won.


    ----------------------


    Arsene also won the league.

    Something Rafa never has nor never will do.

    SAVE RAFA

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  • 436. At 3:56pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    # 342. At 12:21pm on 23 Oct 2009, Starfire_995 wrote:

    So having gotten bored with slaging each other off based on what team we support we've now resorted to slagging each other off based onwhat paper we read.

    Ah what the hell. I read The Times for Jezza's column on a sunday. Make of that what you will :P

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    # 343. At 12:25pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Who's Jezza?
    ---------------------------------------
    What's The Times?


    Actually I am struck by how bitter Mr Onion is. I find it strange that someone has nothing better to do with their day than come on here and attack everyones point of view and appear to be so high and mighty, when we have already ascertained that Gaz myself and my missus, are God.

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  • 437. At 3:57pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Well done on complaining about my original post that said St. Steven dived in the CL final Tommy or whichever other Scouser did it.

    You must be very proud.

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  • 438. At 3:57pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    2 Doubles no less. And then there is the fact that Wenger just seems more likeable than Rafa almost like your favourite history teacher rather than some other kids portly nutcase dad bobbing up and down on the touchline like a demented weeble with a funny beard (bit like Sammy Lee really)

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  • 439. At 3:57pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Ahhrgh Tommy man... come on guy, i mean i just watched it and he dives in every one... every single one.

    When it comes to you/gaz/Adam... I stay out of it, i hate Utd and Liverpool in equal measure (i.e. alot). But to deny that is terrible man...

    if gaz or adam deny this one i will think the same of them... They both Dive!!! Gerrard worse but only coz hes been playing longer...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXw7Xk4hk-Q

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  • 440. At 3:58pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    At 3:56pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    when we have already ascertained that Gaz myself and my missus, are God.

    ---


    Is this what is meant by the Holy Trinity then?

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  • 441. At 4:00pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    433. At 3:53pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    That would be none of the Milan players who have their hands in the air appealing that it's not a penalty then?

    Since when was the universal symbol for indicating a dive by an opponent to stick you hand in the air? Gattuso's been interviewed countless times since - esp in the build up to the 2007 final - never once was it suggested it was a dive. Because it wasn't.





    Weeks ago you wouldn't let it lie that Rooney dived, now you are saying that pretty much exactly the same thing by St. Steven is a penalty

    They aren't remotely the same

    Rooney = going over before contact was made = dive http://epltalk.lg1.simplecdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/wayne-rooney-dives.jpg

    Gerrard goes over after contact was made = no dive

    it's so simple even you should be able to get it




    It is completely impossible for you to admit to any faillings or wrong doings by anyone who has ever came close to a Liverpool shirt.


    and that's just more nonsense that i'm really not going to bother with

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  • 442. At 4:01pm on 23 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Hey, Leave Sammy Lee alone. If he hadn't taken Bolton to the bottom of the prem Meggo would be getting even less credit than he does!

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  • 443. At 4:01pm on 23 Oct 2009, bluehellsbells wrote:

    Just watched Youtube clip of St Steven - did you notice that a couple of the quotes were made on 1st April

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  • 444. At 4:01pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:



    RBA you can clearly see that Ashley Cole raced from the other touchline and hacked Rooney down. He was just so fast that it wasn't caught on camera.


    Ok, seriously, it was a ridiculous dive. Terrible. I absolutely detest diving and cheating and there is no place for it. Sooner there are bans brought in the better.

    Although how dare you say you hate United!! C'mon Shrewsbury!!

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  • 445. At 4:02pm on 23 Oct 2009, davidgilmourthe3rd wrote:

    the M3 is cool i did a promo for it on of all places UTUBE

    the Oasys is a tad more complex.



    adampsb :

    I am home based Film Music composer.



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  • 446. At 4:03pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    439. At 3:57pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Ahhrgh Tommy man... come on guy, i mean i just watched it and he dives in every one... every single one.


    as already explained - no, he doesn't.

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  • 447. At 4:04pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    I have always hated united and Liverpool... one day i hate U more than them, then i hate them more than u... I know more Scouse fans, so i may just hate them more... but its all very close.

    And we dont need your bad thoughts to lose matches, we can do that all by ourselves thank you very much!

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  • 448. At 4:04pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    I just found a pic of Tommy, nice to see who we've been talking to...

    http://tinyurl.com/euo9e

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  • 449. At 4:06pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 450. At 4:07pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    430. At 3:49pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyOnion wrote:

    424. At 3:43pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVb2gbMtN3I


    yes, ive seen it hundreds of times, including live in the stadium when it happened - look at it on 32 seconds, Gerrard's clean through Gattuso pulls him back and on 33 seconds he clips his left ankle = penalty.

    Notice how none of the Milan players accuse Gerrard of diving ?
    ----------------------------------------------
    Are you watching the right video? I watched this link and Gerrard falls over about 5 or 6 times. I can't say he dived, because he didn't even manage that. He just seems really clumsy. But then I am biased I have perfect vision, given that I am part of the holy trinity, maybe you need a new graphic card? You couldn't be lying as i guess you are an honest lad, but I can't help feeling a bloke with a name like Onion must be bitter.

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  • 451. At 4:07pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    #439 - the contact isn't exactly convincing is it - I can't get a clear view on it though but it does look a bit dubious

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  • 452. At 4:09pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    DG3 - can you post a link to the demo as I'd love to see that.

    collie aren't onions sour?

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  • 453. At 4:10pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Adam, you are now Tommy0.

    Deny this one then... even a premier league ref can see it, so it must be obviuos!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cmpozcslIA

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  • 454. At 4:10pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    432. At 3:53pm on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:
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    I agree and you can even go further and say his impact on the premiership revolutionised it in terms of bringing in new techniques, new levels of professionalism and a better understanding of european players and tactics. In the last four years though Arsenal have been less successful than Liverpool. Its probably not fair to look at that period in isolation but when Benitez arrived Arsenal were in a strong position. You can also argue Wenger rarely had the behind the scenes antics and undermining that Benitez has had.

    Im not keen on arguing the financial aspects of Arsenal as Im not sure how what impact Wenger had personally can be measured and besides its not really his job to be taking care of the financial aspects. However in footballing terms his impact was huge.

    I think Arsenes philosophy though has plenty to do with appeasing his lack of success in recent years. Theres no way he would get as much slack if he was playing George Graham style football and finishing in the same spot.

    I think the main point is you have to view things in the big picture. I dont think its enough saying Rafa spent 229 million and hasnt won the league therefore hes done a terrible job. Similar with Wenger it would be unfair to judge him solely on the last 4 years.

    I dont think Benetiz inherited a particular strong team (in comparison with Utd and Arsenal anyway). Solid defensively but weak in midfield and up front (I think Heskey was there?). When you look at what Man Utd and Chelsea have had at ther disposal I dont think its unreasonable to think Benitez would struggle to win the league.

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  • 455. At 4:11pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Sorry Adam didn'tactually read your post at all...

    Apologies and well done...

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  • 456. At 4:11pm on 23 Oct 2009, redpreacherman wrote:

    Archangel Gabriel speaking. More like an unholy trinity! Gaz & Collie don't forget that to be God you have to be wholly other. You also need to have a kingdom in heaven and on earth. Please also remember that having created you gave your creation free will.

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  • 457. At 4:11pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    453. At 4:10pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Adam, you are now Tommy0.

    Deny this one then... even a premier league ref can see it, so it must be obviuos!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cmpozcslIA
    --------------------------
    That was definitely a dive as oppose to falling over like a martyred saint.

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  • 458. At 4:12pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    i'll get my coat...

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  • 459. At 4:15pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    I am definitely other, I already stated I was a lesbian trapped in a mans body....yes i have a kingdom in heaven don't bother asking where you can't see it. Yes I have a kingdom on earth, don't bother asking to see it, Thou shalt not tempt God. And yes you all have free will thanks to Gaz in fact, so you are at liberty to believe us or not. Mind you I did say don't do it Gaz you will only regret a thing like that. Whereas my missus told me to be quiet and not be stunting his creativity.

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  • 460. At 4:15pm on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    Gerard & Rooney BOTH DIVE, and yes my beloved Arsenal players do it too, Eboue sometimes makes me cringe. RVP should of been sent off a few times already this season with the way he flies into tackles.

    I understand the bias & rivalry, but sometimes you just have to man up, grow a pair & admit it is what it is.

    SAVE RAFA & NEVILLE 4 L'POOL, or something like that.

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  • 461. At 4:16pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    I guess Robbo gets this far in his comments and wonders if he ever wrote the blog in the first place ?

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  • 462. At 4:17pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    I think if they don't dive and try to win a free or whatever, their respective bosses will rip them a new one.

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  • 463. At 4:18pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    With footballers your best to assume all players dive until proven otherwise as opposed to arguing over which players dive. Guilty until proven innocent.

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  • 464. At 4:18pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    i doubt robbo reads them once they get past 125... thats his BBC quota, anything under that and they make work through the summer writing articles on tennis...

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  • 465. At 4:19pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Agreed young Joseph... and you support???

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  • 466. At 4:20pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Has Tommy dived behind the sofa again?

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  • 467. At 4:22pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    Has Gaz got any more lies for us today?

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  • 468. At 4:23pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    in fairness to Gerrard and Rooney... they have some way to go to beat the Italians...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W00d3yJKl4

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  • 469. At 4:24pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    come on Tommy share the love, tell us when Rafa gets the boot, who do you see becoming manager of Liverpool?

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  • 470. At 4:24pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    Kidderminster Harriers

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  • 471. At 4:25pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    You can always rely on referees to be sensible about things though and have a sense of humour...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1222217/VIDEO-SPECIAL-Yugoslavia-legend-Dragan-Stojkovic-scores-50-yards-gets-sent-troubles.html

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  • 472. At 4:26pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    The Master

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isjv6kUh4vc

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  • 473. At 4:26pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Jeez RBA you have TommyO going here and BTP on CC's blog.

    If ever there was a case for a Friday night pint I think tonight's the night.

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  • 474. At 4:26pm on 23 Oct 2009, bosstard wrote:

    I actually thought I enjoyed this blog then saw that JDR liked it so I must be mistaken. Sorry Robbo but obviously this is a load of old tosh

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  • 475. At 4:28pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    469. At 4:24pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    come on Tommy share the love, tell us when Rafa gets the boot, who do you see becoming manager of Liverpool?


    depends if & when it happens

    I expect him to be there for some time though

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  • 476. At 4:28pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 477. At 4:28pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    At 4:28pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyOnion wrote:

    I expect him to be there for some time though

    ------


    That's the spirit!!!

    SAVE RAFA

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  • 478. At 4:29pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    471. At 4:25pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    You can always rely on referees to be sensible about things though and have a sense of humour...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1222217/VIDEO-SPECIAL-Yugoslavia-legend-Dragan-Stojkovic-scores-50-yards-gets-sent-troubles.html
    _____________________________________________________________

    Incredible, I guess seeing as the Ref didn't see it, he thougt stojkovic was applauding the injury? Or maybe the ref was just a dork........hmmmm let me see/

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  • 479. At 4:30pm on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    454. At 4:10pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    Joe once again good points, but SAF & Wenger have both managed to build (numerous) squads, and that wasn't just by throwing money around,Rafa on the other hand after 5 years seems to have "built a squad" thinner than an anorexic bean pole.

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  • 480. At 4:31pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Yes Joe Mate... Proper team playing proper footy.... And i don't say that just because we always tend to beat you either...

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  • 481. At 4:34pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 482. At 4:35pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    He dived Tommy.

    He just did.

    I said so.

    That's fact.



    To use your style of argument.

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  • 483. At 4:35pm on 23 Oct 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Any word on where the Glazers will be on Sunday? Anfield or Wembley with the Tampa Bay Bucs? My money's on Anfield for a prime seat for the protest march followed by a spot of lunch with G&H. Although, a chopper ride and they could see one half of each game.

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  • 484. At 4:36pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    482. At 4:35pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:

    I'm Gaz, I'm totally wrong on everything and a bit of an idiot






    to use your style of argument

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  • 485. At 4:37pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Does that even make sense?

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  • 486. At 4:38pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    HAHA - Exactly !

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  • 487. At 4:39pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    So Tommy admits Gerrard Dives right? I still think he can't dive for Peanuts. An overweight 40 something Maradona can dive better in a thunderstorm...

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  • 488. At 4:42pm on 23 Oct 2009, adampsb wrote:

    Joe nothing to be ashamed of there. Didn't Jan Molby manage you before he took up a career deflecting Darren Bent's shots in at Sunderland.

    Seriously though Kidderminster at least had 5 seasons in the league any chance of making the play-offs this year?

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  • 489. At 4:42pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    479. At 4:30pm on 23 Oct 2009, Holloway2Holland wrote:

    I would agree there. He hasnt managed to make many players fit the system he want to implement which is strange and to me suggests a kind of rigidness or lack of flexibility which Arsene and Ferguson dont really suffer from. From a managerial point of view theres no doubt Id take Wenger or Ferguson above Benitez (for an Prem club anyway) but I suppose my point is that the circumstances are different for all 3 and I dont think the Benitez regime has been quite as bad as its made out under the circumstances.

    He inherited a squad worse than Man U and Arsenal and soon to be overtaken by Chelseas millions. He probably didnt have the same financial resources as Chelsea and Man Utd and he was up against for the most part 3 other top managers. The flip side for me is he his team have plenty of flaws after 5 years at the helm and still dont look like being able to over throw Chelsea or Man Utd any time soon.

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  • 490. At 4:44pm on 23 Oct 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Do all of you work for Royal mail or something?

    Geez! I thought i had the luxury of strolling over to sports section while pretending to be working, but you lot . . . .


    Ah well.

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  • 491. At 4:46pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    KIdderminster are very decent, joe mate... I am a bit disapointed, for weeks you chastised Robbo for being less than honest. But you never once mentioned Kidderminster, i know you don't have to talk about who you support to have an opinion on what ever Robbo has written, but it would have been cool if you did say when first asked...

    Is it because you know i am a Shots fan and we have beaten you so many times??? haha...

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  • 492. At 4:47pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    Molby took them up in his first season

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  • 493. At 4:48pm on 23 Oct 2009, GazUtd wrote:


    Student life Spitfire, it's the way to go!!

    You get to learn stuff too, although I don't think anyone will ever be able to teach me why Tommy is so blinkered!

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  • 494. At 4:48pm on 23 Oct 2009, JoeDavisRoach wrote:

    Robbo rarely deviates outside the top 4 so Kidderminster have rarely been relevent

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  • 495. At 4:49pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    489: Regardless of How good or bad you lot think Benny Tez is as a manager, he got as close as possible to doing it last year and was i think a shade unfortunate. I think he is the type of bloke who suffers from a bit of paranoia or self loathing and it makes him makes bad decisions. There is not doubt to be a top manager you need something special.
    you don't win the champions league by luck, but you can loose it through bad luck, like drawing Chelsea every year for example.
    In a parallel Universe Benetez is a raging success, but in this one he has just been up against shrewder foxes...
    I still think he will get fired this year, I still think Liverpool football club is the most likely of all the clubs in permiership to actually go into demise due to the dodgy blokes running it.
    I still think Man United are team in Transition (permanently), Gerrard falls over,and Ancellotti will be found out.
    Oh and Gaz, would you mind getting me a bottle of water and changing into Beaujeulais Nouveau, for the xmas please :-) .

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  • 496. At 4:50pm on 23 Oct 2009, collie21 wrote:

    You get to learn stuff too, although I don't think anyone will ever be able to teach me why Tommy is so blinkered!
    -------------------------------------------
    It's clearly the Onion affecting his eyes, he has to wear blinkers to see straight.

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  • 497. At 4:52pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Neither are Aldershot but you have to educate the like of Gaz Adam Tommy H2H anf others... i think a nonleague persepctive wpuld help them all appreciate thier clubs more...

    And Kidderminster are an Ancient club aren't they? Tons of history, they are older than all of the top 4... no?

    Oooh to think of our debate on history of clubs the other day Joesph!

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  • 498. At 4:53pm on 23 Oct 2009, TommyO wrote:

    fascinating to see a bloke called collie playing to the sheep on the blog....

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  • 499. At 4:55pm on 23 Oct 2009, Penners wrote:

    Top 4 is where the real beef is... I'm not a fan of any of them but all the twists and turns involve at least one of them every week

    Most other managers get their heads down and don't get dragged into arguments, you can't really imagine a slanging match between Tony Pulis and Roy Hodgson in my view

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  • 500. At 4:55pm on 23 Oct 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    That'll do tommy... That'll do

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