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Big business as usual

Robbo Robson | 12:22 UK time, Monday, 1 June 2009

Phil Neville said losing the Cup Final 'felt like relegation'. No, mate, it doesn't. Take it from a Boro fan, lad.

In 1997, we lost a Cup Final and we were relegated. The relegation felt like,er, relegation, and the losing of the Cup Final felt like losing the Cup Final. I know as a United old boy you never really had to bother about such trivialities but let me tell you, you haven't got a clue, son.

Having said that, I didn't meet one man, woman, child, pet or even numpty who wanted Chelsea to win on Saturday. Hiddink aside there were absolutely no reasons to back the Londoners.

Even your average pundit (and there are a lot of us about) tipped the Toffees to sneak a win, and that had to be about sentiment rather than logic.

Everton had beaten Liverpool, Villa, Boro, West Ham and Manchester United's crèche to get to the final. Chelsea had had one little squabble with Arsenal.
Everton players
Everton had lost Arteta, Yakubu and even Jagielka for the final. Chelsea had lost Joe Cole and a Champions League semi-final, the latter with all the class of 2am Teesside lasses tumbling out of a taxi.

Everton have a manager and a chairman who have done that thing that good managers do: built a side up slowly and steadily over the years and got players to perform at their very best for long periods. The chairman is just a fan with a bit of clout and nous.

Chelsea change coaches like Posh Spice changes outfits; they waft attaché cases full of cash under the noses of Europe's best and wait for someone to bite.

The squad is a collection of talented millionaires whose team spirit seems to crumble like an overdone flapjack whenever things go wrong. And the owner sits up in the exec boxes smirking like a demonic schoolboy as his latest toy brushes aside the competition.

It had to be Moyes's time.

Except that, man for man, Chelsea are a better side. Except that, when it's 41 degrees Celsius and you team is at its best when it pelts about the park for 90 minutes, you fear for their chances. Chelsea aren't Barca but they know how to keep the ball.

I sat with an Everton fan throughout Saturday's game (he would have gone to the match but Wembley needed them 40,000 tickets for a bunch of people who didn't give a toss who was playing, didn't they?) and as soon as Drogba equalised he virtually resigned himself to his fate.

He wasn't being disloyal or unsupportive - after Saha's opener, the quiet 44-year old bounced about the Blue Bell like a fly in a jam jar - but reality kicked in.

Even then you felt that Chelsea would just click into gear and move remorselessly forward to victory. Everton weren't bad and put a lot of effort in, but they made two chances all match and it was a comfy 2-1 in the end.

So why is it depressing? Here's why, I reckon.

There's the Big Four, right? One of them's going to win the League. Fact. (Bit inappropriate quoting Rafa there but you get my point). All of them will be in the Champions League quarter-finals. Fact. One of them will almost certainly win the FA Cupand their second team will reach the Carling Cup final.

It's not just about supporting the underdog anymore. These days you support the underclass underclass. If your team finished between fifth and 92nd and you're up against first-fourth, expect healthy support from 99% of the population.

Everton are the most successful not very well-funded team in England and they've won nowt. (Maybe Arsenal can be included as they haven't spent the sums the other three have and have won sweet Tony Adams 'n' all in the last four years.)

The inability to compete unless some bewilderingly rich someone or other who you've never heard of wraps a blindfold round his eyes and sticks a pin in your club just grinds you down.

While Man United have got the architects in for the Trophy Cabinet extension, and Rafa Benitez is preparing dawn raids for the world's finest, Moyes and co are back to the drawing-board.

In August you'll have the usual vague speculation about whether any one other than the usual suspects can end up finishing first to fourth. Villa'll threaten (but Barry might've gone), Everton'll grind (but can they keep Arteta?), Spurs'll do much better (but can they flog that Bentley and if they can will it be the first time a Bentley's been sold for the price of a 1978 Honda Accord?).

Manchester City look like the only club equipped to compete and why's that? It's not Sparky's devastating management skills I can tell you that much.

I hear the usual refrain coming back from you lot - and most of it from supporters of particular clubs- surprise, surprise - that that's life and we should get used to it.
Phil Brown
I'll never get used to it. I'll forget it sometimes when we delight in the success of a Burnley, or an AFC Wimbledon, or grimly acknowledge the achievement of a team like Hull that somehow scraped by even whilst being led by a singing Chocolate Orange - football's a charming, wonderful sport when all's said and done.

But the reason there was an extra pall of gloom over the boozer at five on Saturday was 'cos even before a ball was kicked, Everton as an entity deserved some silverware. This time last year we were praising Pompey's victory simply because it was like a long service medal for 'Arry.

Moyes has vowed to stay at Goodison to keep fighting the odds, even as wise old Guus has left the Bridge with fans desperate for more. The latest recipient of Roman's dough will be Carlo Ancellottery. I don't wish him well.

Meanwhile Middlesbrough will be getting used to life at Scunny and Posh and I'll be able to content myself with the knowledge that for one season at least we'll be on a much more level playing field with everyone else in that league. And there's something a bit reassuring about that. ,

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  • 1. At 1:11pm on 01 Jun 2009, Jeff Vincent wrote:

    Good blog as usual Robbo.

    As an Everton fan, I had a moment of joy when the goal went in, then watched Chelsea steamroller us so that the equaliser was just a matter of time.

    Still, the lads never gave up, and as usual they have done us proud this season. Of course, I'd have prefered a trophy ...

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  • 2. At 1:13pm on 01 Jun 2009, Oliver Jones wrote:

    I know a Chelsea fan who wouldn't have minded Everton winning at the weekend. It is a bit tedious now in the Premier League. I don't know what the solution is though, as money talks sadly. Everton were desperately unlucky to be missing so many big players on Saturday, and hopefully they'll all come back roaring next season. Robbo, perhaps a year out of the big time would do Middlesbrough some good. Ok, the finances that funded world-beaters such as Afonso Alves and the like came because your team were in the top league in the country, but perhaps you can get some money for him over the summer, beg Tuncay to stay (as you've got your own blog, write a public letter to him) and all will be rosy next year!

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  • 3. At 1:29pm on 01 Jun 2009, Soulfusion wrote:

    'I'll be able to content myself with the knowledge that for one season at least we'll be on a much more level playing field with everyone else in that league'

    With the parachute payment 'Boro shall receive I suspect that the fans of Scunthorpe, Peterborough and the like shall beg to differ. 'Boro to become one of the (Championship) Big 4 perhaps!

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  • 4. At 1:40pm on 01 Jun 2009, Jammy wrote:

    good blog robbo...i feel for your boro, but all season they were playing like my united did against barca.

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  • 5. At 1:45pm on 01 Jun 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Perhaps following Ze Germans in matter league football wont be that bad an idea. They have restrictions on how much a club is allowed to borrow (from owners or creditors). Results: besides FC Bayern Munich (who simply have a lot of dough and makes it much easier to hate only one club) the field is rather level. Result, loyal rather fanatic support for local clubs with everyone having a chance to beat everyone. The quality of football on offer in EPL is way better, but there is more competition in the Bundesliga.

    Five different league champions in last 8 years speaks for itself.

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  • 6. At 1:52pm on 01 Jun 2009, unseenforces wrote:

    I don't see the top 4 breaking any time soon. I'm a die-hard Spurs fan and next season we will definitely finish 5th, mainly because we can bankroll ourselves. I really pity Wenger (not Arsenal) because nobody can do what he has done i.e. not spend yet compete for the top honors. It sad to see money taking over football. The likes of talented managers like Moyes and O'Neil will have to be satisfied with places between 5th to 8th, and a cup final, as breaking into a champions league spot looks almost impossible for the next 10 years atleast, and if in between Chelsea go bust, then Spurs will definately take the place. Good Blog Robbo.

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  • 7. At 2:12pm on 01 Jun 2009, Whiteoutloud wrote:

    In this time of financial turmoil a silent prayer goes out that AIG will start calling in the loans that they have underwritten. This would see Gillette, Hicks and the Glasers dumping their debts back onto the clubs as they run back to the States. The meltdown would be well worth watching.
    Ah what a dream!!!!

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  • 8. At 2:15pm on 01 Jun 2009, Y-I-1892man wrote:

    another good blog Robbo,I was hoping for a Toffee miracle but Chelsea plod on and at the end of the day...win,nothing unusual about that!I cannot see any other teams breaking up the top 4.Silly season will be just as daft as ever,with crucial signings on Aug.31st.Ancelotti is not much better than Big Phil in the knowledge of the English language-how will he be able to understand cockney?a fink eel ave a job on there!!then there is the rest of the squad from here,there and everywhere!good luck to him.Both of us suffered the same fate last season and will meet again at The Riverside and SJP,not much fun eh!will have to have another gander at the table to see what opposition lies in store-bloody boring but we just were not good enough to stay up-simple as that.Hope Ashley does get a buyer-the quicker the better!keep up the good work Robbo

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  • 9. At 2:31pm on 01 Jun 2009, Gilo wrote:

    Everton finished 5th and lost to a big four in the cup final. That is the equivalent of winning the double.

    The Blog is spot on and ive not been very friendly in the past - fair play Robbo.

    My Everton were not the prettiest team at times during the competition but they had the rest of the league behind them because they represented hope for the other 16 clubs. I watched the game amongst a majority of Chelskea fans who didnt even get out there chair when they scored. I remember pre-Gullit days when Everton vs Chelsea in the early 90's was a horrific war of attrition, their best play was Gavin Peacock. Sadly the Kings Road was more glamorous than Goodison and the rest is history and Chelsea fans have forgotten they won nothing for forty years....

    We would be still dancing in the streets 3 days later if Saha's goal was enough and Jags was at the back. When the whistle blue most Chelsea fans clapped and then moaned about Messi's goal in April.

    Sad, sad, sad league. Put the 'Champions' league back to two teams only...it'll save the Prem and the Uefa competition too.





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  • 10. At 2:32pm on 01 Jun 2009, SvenskRed wrote:

    I totally agree with the status quo becoming a tad dull, although not sure how it can be changed.

    History shows us that clubs attempting to break the clique do so at their own risk. From memory I can only think of 3 sides outside of the "big 4" who have gualified for the financial holy grail and 2 of those (Newcastle and Leeds) will be playing their matches next season at a much lower level. Everton are the only team who have dared to compete and stayed within touching distance.

    Is the risk for teams with ambitions (Portsmouth, Man City, Spurs, Everton, Villa) greater than the reward and should they realistically be happy to just achieve within their own mini-league.

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  • 11. At 2:33pm on 01 Jun 2009, sirabbey wrote:

    Spitfire is spot on with the comments on the Bundesliga but the solution would cr*p my beloved Liverpool up!



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  • 12. At 2:36pm on 01 Jun 2009, dougm wrote:

    A great day for Boro Robbo! Now that Saha has the fastest FA Cup goal we won't have to relive the agony of De Matteo's goal every FA Cup Final Day - they show it every time, one year it was even in the MotD titles every FA cup round

    Thanks Saha,

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  • 13. At 2:37pm on 01 Jun 2009, beardedshrimper wrote:

    After our game at Stamford Bridge, some Chelsea fan was trying to tell me that they know what it feels like to be s***, sorry, 'less than successful' and no matter how much I said trying not to get relegated to the conference (blue sq prem) was a success for us, she maintained that only finishing in the top half of the prem was worse.
    Some people don't know they're born. Us Southend fans appreciate our success, though this premier league mentality of 'win every game or sack the manager' is even spreading to our fans now.

    In the lower leagues the teams are more even. i go back to when we were in the Championship with Birmingham and done them 3-1 at theirs. They went to the prem, us to league 1. Don't see West Brom winning at Old Trafford somehow.

    Great blog as always Robbo

    Up the blues! (Southend, that is)

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  • 14. At 2:42pm on 01 Jun 2009, david_delarge wrote:

    A particularly bitter and resentful blog this week Robbo, but it's understandable.

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  • 15. At 2:46pm on 01 Jun 2009, beardedshrimper wrote:

    I like that idea about debt, borrowed from Germany. Some competition in the Prem would make a very welcome change

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  • 16. At 2:47pm on 01 Jun 2009, mcswegan wrote:

    It's the same in most leagues. Italy has Juventus,Roma,Inter and Milan with the odd suprise finish and Spain has Barcelona,Real,Valencia with maybe Sevilla and Villereal contending for Champions League. It does get boring watching the same teams win all the time but they've built the best squads one way or another. Tottenham in recent years have spent as much as the big clubs and it hasn't got them anywhere so it isn't just about money. Man Utd brought alot of people up through their youth team 15 years ago and that helped establish them as the number one club. I agree it's the same sides every year but maybe they'll be a suprise next time round.

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  • 17. At 2:48pm on 01 Jun 2009, doctoraldworth wrote:

    the more i think about it, the better Gartside's idea sounds

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  • 18. At 2:49pm on 01 Jun 2009, Malt Loaf wrote:

    Sad to say but Boro deserved to go down this season, and unless they get some new blood in they'll stay down.

    I agree with the sentiments expressed about Everton. Moyes deserves a crack at a big club now, or deserves to be given a larger cheque book to push Everton into the top four. What price Moyes going to Old Trafford when Fergie steps down in a few years time? http://www.loserscomesecond.com/

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  • 19. At 2:49pm on 01 Jun 2009, cpeskett wrote:

    It seriously bothers me that everyone slams Chelsea for having all of these high-paid superstars, when what they really have is a team of highly accomplished players who probably earn too much and who were probably bought for way too much, because everyone knows that Chelsea always pay over the odds. Let's look at the first team from Saturday:

    Petr Cech - was a rising star when bought, but not universally known.

    Ashley Cole - fits the description. No argument there.

    John Terry - been at Chelsea since he was 14, not purchased. Was a superstar, now just a much loved (by Chelsea fans) star.

    Alex - would have been at Chelsea earlier but for permit issues - was not a superstar when acquired.

    Jose Bosingwa - considered a very good player, but not the first name people thought of for top-level right backs.

    Jon Mikel Obi - came to prominence more for the dispute between Chelsea and Man U, rather than because he was a superstar. Transfer eventually exposed Lyn Oslo for illegal doings.

    Michael Essien - a serious rising star when signed, and courted by Man U, but not yet a superstar, and certainly too much was paid for him at the time. Took a year to settle.

    Frank Lampard - could not even get into West Ham's first team on a regular basis. Chelsea was where he gained his stardom.

    Nicolas Anelka - has been on the edge of superstar status for a while, but mostly considered a talented journeyman.

    Didier Drogba - certainly a very promising talent when signed, but did not do much for 2 years, before finally showing his ability.

    Florent Malouda - while highly regarded in France, not the first name on peoples' lips when asked to name the best left wingers in Europe.

    Sub - Micheal Ballack - certainly a superstar, but on the wain right now. He was signed for nothing, but has a salary to offset that savings.

    My point is that Chelsea are a team of very good players, amny of whom have become or have a approached the status of superstars of the game, for whom Chelsea have in many cases paid too much, because other clubs knew Chelsea would pay, and most of whom get paid too much, as is becoming the norm in the PL. Even going back to the last year with Ranieri, Chelsea did not so much buy the already established superstars (they did try for at least a couple, though), they just paid too much for very good players. The managers and coaches made the team what it is today. Real Madrid, it can be argued, assembled a much more talented group of players, wll with big names, and won squat.

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  • 20. At 2:51pm on 01 Jun 2009, MulvanyStrasse wrote:

    I agree that the Bundesliga is a far better model but I disagree that the standard between the Bundesliga and the Premier League is great. Anygame outside a top four clash in the Premier League is either a mismatch or a grim battle to avoid relegation. The great thing about the old football league was the unpredictability of the results.
    I prefer the Bundesliga now because the atmosphere is great, you can stand for EUR 15 or sit for as little as EUR 20 and the games are competitive.

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  • 21. At 2:52pm on 01 Jun 2009, cpeskett wrote:

    Y-I-1982Man - agree about Ancellotti. All Chelsea fans can do is give him a little time. On the language front, Ray Wilkins, assuming he is retained, apparently speaks fluent Italian, so at the very least, he will have an interpreter that speaks perfect English.

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  • 22. At 2:55pm on 01 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Robbo as ever, a superb blog sir!

    I'm with the beardedshrimper up above... Some people don't know they are born! At the very top of the prem a team can be considred in "crisis" as they might not finish in the top 4 (was their ever a realistic chance that chelsea would not qualify for CL???) and sack a manager that is a WORLD CUP WINNER!... Pathetic. And (i'm sorry about this Robbo) at the other end of the prem, its the end of world that youv'e been demoted to the Championship (with a cushy multi-million parachute payment). Equally pathetic. (i did say sorry before i said that, dont go all phil mcnulty and moderate me!)

    Football is THE beautiful game, and i find the ridiculous comic book capers of the premier league to be of great entertainment... When i was a nipper, my team went bust mid season... Thats the end of the world, but it was rebuilding it and being part of it...

    Prediction for next season... Man U, Arsenal Chelsea or 'pool for the title...

    Aldershot for the FA Cup!

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  • 23. At 3:03pm on 01 Jun 2009, rchrdav wrote:

    cpessket: Anelka is not and never has been a journeyman. He is an extremely talented player who if he had ever cut himself off from his brothers and picked his lip up would have won a lot more than he has. Secondly Wilkins has never been accused of speaking perfect english, or no more than Ron Atkinson anyway

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  • 24. At 3:05pm on 01 Jun 2009, RedWhiteandermblue wrote:

    Couldn't agree more with the blog. You see a version of the same problem in most US sports, and it destroys my interest. Why not get the mockery of a competition over with and just auction off all the trophies? It would be about as dramatic as the annual Chelsea-Man U-Liverpool cashfest.

    The only solution is some kind of salary cap/revenue sharing, and considering it would have to be at least European-wide, it ain't gonna happen...

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  • 25. At 3:07pm on 01 Jun 2009, cpeskett wrote:

    RedBlueArmy, there was more than a realistic chance that Chelsea would finish outside the top 4, and even the top 6, the way they were playing under Scolari. The biggest problem with his tenure was the lack of attention to fitness. Yes, he introduce a more flowing style of play, but when you run out of energy long before the end of the match, and the other team has figured out your strategy, you're kinda boned.

    Economics at the top end of the league are every bit as tenuous as at the bottom. Players in top teams expect to be paid big money, and teams that want to win things are all too willing to pay. A lack of success at the top for these teams means less income at the turnstiles, club shops and competition winnings, which means a harder time paying your players what they ask, with the obvious risk of losing players, plus the inability to attract new players. While it may not seem so bad as the possibility of dropping into the Conference, as has been seen with teams like West Ham, it doesn't take much to throw even a PL club into financial dire straits. Just ask Leeds fans about it...

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  • 26. At 3:11pm on 01 Jun 2009, cpeskett wrote:

    rchrdav,

    It is the fact that Anelka has had such a history of moving around and being unsettled that has precluded his inclusion as a superstar of the game. By definition, he is a journeyman, though an incredibly talented one. Should he settle at Chelsea, he will undoubtedly become known as the superstar he is.

    As to Wilkins, it may surprise you, but he is considered one of the most articulate speakers in the game. Maybe not the smartest, considering some of the things he has said in the past, but certainly extremely well spoke, unlike many English players and ex-players in the game today.

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  • 27. At 3:16pm on 01 Jun 2009, andy_t3 wrote:

    Spurs are always tipped to do well, and unseenforces saying Spurs will definatly finish 5th next season is a joke! We have finished top 6 3 seasons in a row now, and 5th twice in a row. But still Villa are hailed as having a great season and no doubt Everton will begin next season with pundits saying we will finish top 10. Its a joke. We dont get the credit we deserve sometimes!! I dont see why Everton wont finish 5th again next season and hopefully go one better and bring a trophy home...

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  • 28. At 3:18pm on 01 Jun 2009, Malt Loaf wrote:

    Also, I've got to say that Ancelotti is up there with the worst managerial appointments of all time. With the resources at his disposal at Milan he should have won far more than he did. I really do think that Chelsea will take a backwards step under his stewardship.

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  • 29. At 3:19pm on 01 Jun 2009, MrNeutron wrote:

    cpeskett: Please remove your blue-tinted glasses. Lampard was not only a rising star and first-team regular for West Ham before clearing off in 2001, he played in every single match as early as 98/99. Acting like he was some sort of unwanted reserve is so far from the truth it's comical.

    I love the idea that players like Essien and Mikel were nobodies who were inexplicably being chased by some of the biggest clubs in Europe, though. Maybe you should do standup.

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  • 30. At 3:20pm on 01 Jun 2009, beardedshrimper wrote:

    The lower Spurs finish, the happier I'll be.
    I'm no Arsenal fan, just hate Spurs. In part for getting rid of Jol, amazing that it took a Dutchman to try and buy some English players. I hoped Ramos would stay and they'd go down because they deserved it then.

    They are very much in the 2nd tier with Villa and Everton, though I think they have actually spent more than most, inc Arsenal, over the last couple of years. The reason I say Arsenal is because they are top four while Spurs haven't made it into the top 4 even though they've spent top 4 money

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  • 31. At 3:31pm on 01 Jun 2009, cpeskett wrote:

    MrNeutron,

    I Lampard was so established at West Ham, why was he let go? This was before Abramovich, remember. He was neither liked nor appreciated by the fans, and he has often made reference to not being able to establish himself properly in the first team. Explain that. Even after he joined Chelsea, he had to work to get into the team.

    As to Essien and Mikel, they were NOT superstars when purchased. They both had trmendous promise and were highly sought-after, but they were only seen for their potential, not for any established pedigree.

    Of all of the players acquired by Chelsea since RA showed up, the only players who could be said to have been big names (names like Henry, Raul, Messi, Ronaldo (Brazilian one) and Ronaldinho) were Ballack and Shevchenko. I will not deny that it wasn't for lack of trying in some cases. Players that approached that billing were Duff, whose propensity to get injured so often shortened his stay greatly, and maybe Robben, though I'm not sure he was quite so in the spotlight, at least in England.

    What RA's money did was give Chelsea the chance to buy potential. Luckily, Jose Mourinho was able to make potential work, and now many of the incipient stars have become fullblown stars. I freely admit that Chelsea have a team of highly paid stars. My contention is that this team did not start out that way (stars, that is, we know they all started out being paid too much).

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  • 32. At 3:32pm on 01 Jun 2009, AriesBlue wrote:

    Robbo, I enjoy your blogs, but when it comes to Chelsea it's you who doesn't know what he's talking about.
    I've been a Chelsea supporter for 23 years, I've supported the Blues through relegation, mid-table obscurity and can remember times when Chelsea were considered a bit of a joke.
    Those like you who are weary of Chelsea having a lot of money should remember that the club was built up from being perennialy unsuccessful, via a series of managers who, like Moyes, did the best they could with relatively few resources, buying players coming to the end of their careers and starting to win trophies. That's right, CHELSEA WERE A SUCCESSFUL CLUB BEFORE ABRAMOVICH CAME ALONG! That's why he bought it, to take a successful club to the next level. I can understand the jealousy, but things move in cycles, even Man U haven't always been successful. If your club isn't doing well, better hope they take their opportunity when it comes along, as Chelsea did.
    For what it's worth, I think Middlesborough will bounce straight back.

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  • 33. At 3:35pm on 01 Jun 2009, KingArthuronice wrote:

    *Definitely* a decent blog. The PL is becoming like the boat race...who will reach the final, Oxford and Cambridge again? Darn, I really thought Wessex Polytechnic had a chance this year! :)

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  • 34. At 3:35pm on 01 Jun 2009, bredtobered-forum troll wrote:

    CPESKETT,



    Frank Lampard:

    A broken leg suffered in a March game against Aston Villa prematurely put an end to Lampard's 199697 season after thirteen appearances. He had to wait until the 199798 campaign to score his first goal for West Ham, which came in a road victory over Barnsley. He became a starter in 199899 and appeared in every match as West Ham finished fifth in the Premier League standings. Following the sale of teammate and friend Rio Ferdinand to Leeds United after the 200001 season, combined with the departures of his father and Redknapp, Lampard followed suit and left West Ham, but chose to stay in London by joining Chelsea for an £11 million fee.
    sounds to me that he chose to leave and £11 million in 2000/2001 season was a lot of money. deffo not a fringe player.

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  • 35. At 3:39pm on 01 Jun 2009, bredtobered-forum troll wrote:

    i think the bottom line is if it wasn't for roman's millions, chelski would still be a middle of the road club. man city will follow that pattern too. At least Man u, liverpool have a winning history.

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  • 36. At 3:40pm on 01 Jun 2009, AriesBlue wrote:

    P.S I'd like to give out some appreciation for the class of Everton on Saturday, especially their supporters, who stayed behind their team and stayed on for the presentations and to David Moyes for his graciousness after the game. With their style, I hope Everton do break into the top four (although hopefully not at Chelsea's expense!).

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  • 37. At 3:40pm on 01 Jun 2009, Blue_Baby40 wrote:

    AriesBlue - bang on the money (if you'll pardon the expression).

    I'd like to say how gracious in defeat most of the Everton fans were on Saturday. Class. Except for the morons who spat at my friend's kids. And that was before the game. And the scallies who offered my mate a score if he'd let them cram in behind him when he went through the turnstile. No wonder an Evertonian of my acquaintance reckoned the Chels end was going to be full of theirs.

    And a shame my ribs still hurt after being picked up and bear-hugged by the guy next to me after we equalised...

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  • 38. At 3:41pm on 01 Jun 2009, beardedshrimper wrote:

    Many said Chelsea overpaid for Lampard but he proved them wrong. Just out of interest, how many managers has he played under?

    Mikel was an up-coming youngster, Essien was definatly an established player for both Ghana and Lyon before Chelsea spent (i believe) £24million on him.

    Money alone does not spoil the game, but it's distribution makes all the difference

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  • 39. At 3:57pm on 01 Jun 2009, Ginger wrote:

    Great blog Robbo,

    I enjoyed reading the comments, it seems to me that it is right that the top four will be so for a couple of years. This may be questioned by Cidy but will have to see how Hughes does with the money and the signings that he can make.

    It's not ideal that it has come to this but at least it brings success to our top clubs in Europe.

    That said we don't seem to perform in the UEFA cup to the same degree, perhaps there is a problem with the depth of quality in the league?

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  • 40. At 3:58pm on 01 Jun 2009, AriesBlue wrote:

    vanilla-proudshedowner

    "At least Man u, liverpool have a winning history."

    So what? Does that mean that no-one else is allowed to do what it takes to be successful? I thought that the widespread complaint is that no-one can break into the top four. Seems like it's not okay unless your club does it!
    Anyway, my point is that Chelsea created their own success, made themselves the kind of club that someone like Abramovich would want to buy. If your club isn't doing the same, I suggest you complain to the chairman!

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  • 41. At 4:07pm on 01 Jun 2009, Nick wrote:

    Post 19 is a bit of a joke really isnt it?

    You could go through Liverpools and Uniteds teams in the same manner.

    The fact is the big clubs attract the big players because they can pay the big wages and are more likely to win the big trophies.

    Go through Chelseas side again and Terry and Alex aside all of them cost a hell of a lot of money. In fact all of them cost over 10 mill.

    We know about Cole (10 mill plus Gallas), Bosingwa (18 mill) was well known as a number of clubs including United were interested in signing him, Mikel cost 16 mill, Essien (24 mill) was well known in Europe for his performances in the CL as was Malouda (12 mill). Anelka (15 mill) is certainly not a journeyman! He may have wanderlust but that doesnt distract from the fact he is a goal machine, an expensive one at that. Drogba (24 mill) was known around Europe for his feats in the Uefa Cup the season before he signed.

    The fact is in the case of Ballack,Drogba,Essien,Mikel,Bosingwa and Anelka the competition was effectively priced out of the market.

    If you've got money in this day and age you've got a huge edge

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  • 42. At 4:23pm on 01 Jun 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Ditto #41.

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  • 43. At 4:23pm on 01 Jun 2009, beardedshrimper wrote:

    I agree with gingerboy99 that it's a shame British teams don't do so well in the UEFA Cup, not to mention international football.
    Why don't some more players play outside England? That's a tragedy in itself

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  • 44. At 4:25pm on 01 Jun 2009, beardedshrimper wrote:

    re: 41 and 42
    Money helps a LOT, but isn't everything (see Spurs)

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  • 45. At 4:25pm on 01 Jun 2009, kotakinabalu wrote:

    Of the last 36 top four spots, 33 were from the same teams, and two of those exceptions were 9 and 8 years ago. We all pretty much know how next season will finish. It's boring. You end up congratulating teams that by real grit swim against the tide of money - Everton, Stoke, Burnley. I'm a Man City fan and I know if we start doing better it will be because of oodles of money. At least it will break the boring top-4. And the reason why Chelsea is the most disliked of the top four? Because Utd. occasionally look quite good, though not in their humiliation the other day; so do Arsenal and occasionally Pool. But Chelsea just grind on in a grinding brinder way. They are the epitome of money AND boring.

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  • 46. At 4:27pm on 01 Jun 2009, bredtobered-forum troll wrote:

    vanilla-proudshedowner

    "At least Man u, liverpool have a winning history."

    So what? Does that mean that no-one else is allowed to do what it takes to be successful? I thought that the widespread complaint is that no-one can break into the top four. Seems like it's not okay unless your club does it!
    Anyway, my point is that Chelsea created their own success, made themselves the kind of club that someone like Abramovich would want to buy. If your club isn't doing the same, I suggest you complain to the chairman!

    -------------------------------------------------
    that is the widespread complaint, but my comments were directed at CPESKETT who was saying the players at chelsea became stars at chelsea when reality is they were bought for more than they should have been, paid more than they should be and were, on the whole, stars already. it would be nice to be able to afford those players and wages but at the end of the day a bought victory is a hollow one.i'm happy for my team to be in the championship where the league is always tight and it doesn't cost a weeks wages to go to a game. If Everton did win the cup they would be partying for weeks, chelsea on the other hand will be disappointed their money only bought them the FA cup.

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  • 47. At 4:30pm on 01 Jun 2009, lanzageordie wrote:

    Phil Brown "the singing chocolate orange"

    pure class Robbo, keep em coming mate i'm building my act around your blogs!

    cheers oh smoggy one.

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  • 48. At 4:30pm on 01 Jun 2009, Thanks A lot BBC7 wrote:

    Bentley joke was tell taken.

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  • 49. At 4:36pm on 01 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    For the last 17 years its been all Man U, with flourishes of arsenal and chelsea. Before that it was all liverpool... So in all honesty for the last 30 years the league has been predictable, with the occasional club winning it here and there but the over all dominance coming from 2 teams...

    Now, fans of premier league teams (big or small) would you rather your team play in any other top-flight league in the world?

    I think that taking Robbos heart-ache at being rejected from this league as an example, the answer is no...

    Yeah the same teams compete every year, but as the end of the season showed you half the fun is staying alive and staying up... Its anything but boring in the Premier league...

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  • 50. At 4:42pm on 01 Jun 2009, PompeyLapras wrote:

    As a Portsmouth fan, why is our victory always equated to Harry's victory? It's annoying. It was Portsmouth FC that was etched on the FA Cup, not Harry Redknapp. It seems all credit for our FA cup victory is given to him and him alone. Likewise as you say, it's seen as a reward for Harry, not for Portsmouth. Absolutely infuriating.

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  • 51. At 4:43pm on 01 Jun 2009, foxtrot_charlie wrote:

    top man robbo, well done for mentioning AFC Wimbledon! You dons!

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  • 52. At 4:45pm on 01 Jun 2009, napierblue wrote:

    waaaa waaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaa my team got relegated waaaaaa waaaaa waaaaa lets all moan about the teams that win, although if i remember it was norwich who were challenging utd for the title at the start of the prem, then blackburn and newcastle, then arsenal and now chelsea and liverpool, you've had just under 5 years of roman at chelsea and liverpool have only just begun to look like title challengers and arsenal will not finish 4th nextg season!!!! there has only been one team that has monopolised the prem and that is utd, so don't give me all this rubbish about the big 4 make it boring, utd have made it boring and the other 3 are just the current 'challengers' and don't be surprised to see liverpool fall of the pace again in the next few years cause i don't think they have much money left to compete with chelsea and utd much the same as arsenal.

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  • 53. At 4:47pm on 01 Jun 2009, Kapnag wrote:

    Just cast your minds back to '05 when English supporters across the country chose to mock United fans instead of support them against Glazer

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  • 54. At 4:47pm on 01 Jun 2009, bredtobered-forum troll wrote:


    redbluearmy92,


    i wouldn't say being in a relegation battle is exciting but i get your point! i support forest and i'm happy that over the years we've never been a club to stay in the middle of a league. It's been very turbulent but i've resigned to the fact that it's no longer unlikely we will never win a premier league in my lifetime, it's certain, which is disappointing to think about.

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  • 55. At 4:47pm on 01 Jun 2009, John Smith V wrote:

    Now whenever I read your blogs Robbo, i'm generally not very sceptical and I like the humour you use, it always gets my attention and never bores me to death like some things I read. However, i've noticed in some of your previous blogs that some people, generally a minority of people, have been saying that you slate the big four in most articles you write and now I'm starting to see what they mean. As I saw a man united fan on a blog a week or two ago stating he was fed up with your needless swings at man u and the big four. Personally, i've always enjoyed reading most of your blogs but I'll always remember that pathetic attempt of humour in one particular blog where you said something like, "as for me, i'm off to drown my sorrows with a pint while going through re-runs of JT's penalty in Moscow." That wasn't even funny, the fact that you can actually laugh at that and your being employed or whatever by the BBC to write blogs not insults is actually quite frustrating. Furthermore, this would attract huge attention and anger if that was written on a chelsea board by say a man united fan. I'm sure it was as well but as BBC blogger you should know better. It's bad humour mate. Bit like if I took a swing at you cos boro got relegated or the geordies, that would be down-right bad humour and it's not even funny anyway, I feel for boro and the geordies although I must say it was probably gonna happen for Newcastle one day based on recent times.

    "Having said that, I didn't meet one man, woman, child, pet or even numpty who wanted Chelsea to win on Saturday. Hiddink aside there were absolutely no reasons to back the Londoners."

    Bit off eh? Firstly, I knew a lot of people (mackems, sunderland fans for a start) saying good luck with final on Saturday and of course I knew loads of people who wanted us to win. Secondly, not a single reason to back us Londonders, why not? Sure I feel for Everton and I can understand why they (and me to some extent) feel they deserve a trophy, which they do, Moyes is fantastic manager and they're progressing every year, they deserve success but we do as well. We're not a fabricated team like MK dons, we have a rich owner but we had success in Mourinho, not just the money and transfers. Scolari wouldn't have guided us too 2 consecutive league titles, never. We haven't won a trophy in 2 years and that is a fair amount of time for our world class team, we've had to endure big flop scolari a manager who didn't have a clue ruin our premier league (and carling cup) chances this year, Hiddink has come in, done better in the league since he arrived here (more points than fergie or Rafa), guided us to an FA cup trophy and technically, put us in the CL final which we all know we should have been in, the only reason we weren't was from woeful refereeing and I personally think if we'd been in the final we would have beaten united.

    Fair enough Everton had beaten United, Liverpool, Villa, Boro and West ham but they didn't beat us did they. If you can't beat the team that your playing in the final, your not as good on the day and the winning team deserve to win (based on circumstances but this was the case unlike the 1-1 away goals loss to Barcelona thats an exception).
    Furthermore, yes they lost Yakubu (quality), Arteta (quality) and Jagielka (quality) and that's like their best defender and possibly their best striker and midfielder. The game would have been closer with those 3 but I still think we would have edged it. We didn't have Essien for half the season (and yes im sure we would have benefited in the Scolari era with him) but it wasn't to be.

    "Chelsea change coaches like Posh Spice changes outfits; they waft attaché cases full of cash under the noses of Europe's best and wait for someone to bite."

    True and i'm not one for all this firing and hiring etc.
    1. Let's start with Ranieri - he shouldn't have been fired, made an error in the CL semi final against Monaco but got to 2nd place in the league, he was progressing.
    2. Mourinho - it was by mutual consent but he never should have left, he was a great manager.
    3. Grant - other fans say "how could we treat him like that" in sacking him, I felt sorry for him, he did a wonderful job, but Roman/Kenyon felt it wasn't "good enough." He did throw away some league results, the Carling cup to spurs and a dreadful performance against Barnsley in the FA cup, sure he got us to CL final which we probably deserved to win, but we didn't win anything last season and he was sacked. Can't argue with it, I also believe he wasn't the right man to take us forward in the long term but that's my opinion.
    4. Scolari - never the right man for the job, knew he would eventually lose it (like Ian wright said in his daily mail/star or sun interview) last summer. He had to be sacked, he demoralised the whole team and wasn't training them hard enough as well.

    "The squad is a collection of talented millionaires whose team spirit seems to crumble like an overdone flapjack whenever things go wrong. And the owner sits up in the exec boxes smirking like a demonic schoolboy as his latest toy brushes aside the competition."

    Bit like Arsenal then, Gallas last year? United are the same with ferguson, ferdinand (kicking ball at woman in stand and on separate occasion kicking female steward) etc. Same with Liverpool and Rafa and all other teams.
    Also if anything, Abramovich doesn't smirk like you said, if we're on a bad run of results, the fella doesn't even turn up. And I will say I think Kenyon is useless and he said last year "scolari is the outstanding candidate for the job," (same words on cfc official website for ancelotti) so we should get rid of him, and abramovich just wants a CL title, he doesn't understand football, then again he's put millions into our club so I can see his point.

    "It had to be Moyes's time." I felt like that last year when we were at Moscow, our first CL final, in front or Roman in his home country, it was fate, but it ended in a bitterly cruel way. That's football for you.
    Everton deserve some silverware I agree but we won it in the end.

    I agree we're not Barca, although the whole Barca victory was over-hyped by the media. United are a quality side and on their day, if both were playing their best, United could beat Barcelona comfortably. Also, hate to say it but it wasn't 41 degrees, was actually 25 degrees, that thermometer device at the side of the pitch was in direct sunlight so the temperature was way higher, just thought I'd add that.

    I'll agree with what you said about the 40,000 "neutral" fans though, I think it was a disgraceful allocation and it was mostly people that were their for the occasion, not caring one bit about who actually won.

    I agree you should support the underdog in big games/finals and I always do that, but when you have a rant in this blog about what your thoughts are on the team I support, it's sounds a bit more than supporting Everton, more like "everything I hate about Chelsea football club."

    "The latest recipient of Roman's dough will be Carlo Ancellottery. I don't wish him well."

    Finally, that sums up your attitude towards Chelsea and the rather derogatory, disparaging and objectionable tone of this article. I may have seemed to have had a rant but theirs a shopping list of objectionable things you've wrote about Chelsea in this article and as a blogger, shouldn't you be taking a neutrals point of view?

    You don't wish him well. Thanks for the good luck mate....pathetic, I've said nothing disparaging about Boro going down and that's out of plain courtesy.

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  • 56. At 4:50pm on 01 Jun 2009, foxtrot_charlie wrote:

    RANT!

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  • 57. At 4:53pm on 01 Jun 2009, bredtobered-forum troll wrote:

    JTArdAsNails

    jt penalty in moscow was funny though...........

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  • 58. At 4:55pm on 01 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    JTArdAsNails....

    Wow, dont let the Man U or 'Pool fans who usualy dominate this blog with their overly touchy diatribe see that... Could almost read it in a scouse accent it was that overly sensitive...

    Chill out mate, Robbo gets to make his jokes (usually of a very high standard, the JT line was funny, in my opinion) and you get to win your trophies...

    Allow the courtesy, its football man!

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  • 59. At 4:56pm on 01 Jun 2009, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    Robbo said:-

    'Everton have a manager and a chairman who have done that thing that good managers do: built a side up slowly and steadily over the years and got players to perform at their very best for long periods. The chairman is just a fan with a bit of clout and nous.'

    I wonder if you compare the length of time that some of Chelsea's players have been their compared to the length of time that some of Everton's players have been their you might find that Chelsea have built up a side over a longer period than Everton, albeit at a higher cost.

    cpeskett is right to try and add balance to Robbo's statement with his post.

    Other than that, the usual top form Robbo.

    One final thing, if fans want to help rebalance the league then perhaps they can cancel their Sky Sports subscriptions and actually go to some games. Just a thought.

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  • 60. At 4:59pm on 01 Jun 2009, supermccall wrote:

    no team in the premier league know thier born, im a bradford fan and i challenge anyone in any league that has had a worse demise than us........ no didnt think so. the premier league is full of over paid, over inflated egos with lots of predictable results.

    You will probably find you enjoy the championship more robbo, playing against teams similar to yourself- the premier league from an entertainment point of view is not all its cracked up to be.

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  • 61. At 5:00pm on 01 Jun 2009, beardedshrimper wrote:

    How can you criticise Robbo when he comes out with that about Phil Brown being a singing chocolate orange? Or Newcastle having less width than Posh Spice?

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  • 62. At 5:03pm on 01 Jun 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    Good stuff Robbo, The only surprise is that one of the big 4 didn't somehow win the Championship.

    Did they really already sell the Honda Accord in 1978? I'm sure you've researched it thoroughly, perhaps you even had or still have one. Probably a very popular model in Russia these days, perhaps Carlo will get one as his company vehicle.

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  • 63. At 5:06pm on 01 Jun 2009, Wengers Optician wrote:

    Look at Phil browns mouth. Its like a black hole. Anyway its not just Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd that spend big. Didnt Villa spend a lot last season? I'm not sure but I've been hearing they spent in the region of 50m. And spurs always spend big, even though they do off load lots of players every season.

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  • 64. At 5:08pm on 01 Jun 2009, JonnyWigs wrote:

    Cpskett

    Its very endearing that you have tried to convince everyone that Chelsea have nurtured a team from up and coming youngsters rather than buy success, however a £293 million net spend on player transfers since 2003 would suggest otherwise.

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  • 65. At 5:08pm on 01 Jun 2009, parmosmoggy wrote:

    JTArdAsNails wrote:

    "guided us to an FA cup trophy and technically, put us in the CL final which we all know we should have been in"

    Technically Chelsea got beat on away goals, therefore Barcelona were technically the winners of the two legged semi-final!

    Technically is the worst choice of words you could of used!

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  • 66. At 5:10pm on 01 Jun 2009, Xavierneville wrote:

    Robbo,

    I can see your still gutted about the fall out from relegation and yes Phil's words were not articulated well but he is trying constantly to show Everton second is nowhere, and as you said best of the rest but won nowt...
    Hands up after 20 minutes I knew the game was up & chelsea were miles better. I was particularly disappointed with Howard for the goal, it wasn't a bullet or poerblaster, he got there with both hands, you could see the reaction of the defenders, they expected him to save it. If only it had rained solid all day and was colder than a penguins cold bits.....

    We did show Chelsea up in one respect, how to lose gracefully, well beaten whether you deserve it or not. Despite the class of Hiddink you can still still the tempermental child in Chelsea itching to have a go when things go against them

    Hopefully the cycle will end football will lose itys money clad vaneer and things wil become a little more equal until it own label footballer for Everton!


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  • 67. At 5:12pm on 01 Jun 2009, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #64 Jonnywigs

    Perhaps you didn't understand what cpeskett said, perhaps you have forgotten what Robbo said or perhaps you are just being difficult for the sake of being anti-Chelsea.

    Either way, Robbo was championing Everton building 'a side slowly and gradually over the years'.

    The point cpeskett was making, and one that I largely agree with is, Chelsea have probably had their players that played on Saturday on average longer than Everton have had their players. So, Chelsea have the more established side for the purposes of Robbo's point.

    Geddit?

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  • 68. At 5:16pm on 01 Jun 2009, MrBlueBurns wrote:

    #66 Xavierneville

    I'm not defending any over-reaction from Chelsea players but when you have been on the wrong end of decisions such as the Champions League semi-final and the Lampard sending off at Anfield, then you might understand why players get a little peeved.

    (Though arguably, both of these are overtaken by the decision in the Reading Watford game to award a goal when the ball was over the line a couple of yards to the right of the goal! That really took the biscuit.)

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  • 69. At 5:25pm on 01 Jun 2009, _Nichollz_ wrote:

    Everton deserve nothing. They may have a modest budget but they play some awful football on the way to finishing 5th and fellani is one of the dirtiest players to grace the prem. They just bully teams out of games, not play them out.

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  • 70. At 5:25pm on 01 Jun 2009, dyrewolfe wrote:

    @JTArdAsNails:

    Just thought I should point out (yet again!)that the whole point of blogs is that they are written to express the authors' points of view and in no way have to be unbiased or objective. Thats what the regualr articles are for.

    It never ceases to astound me, the number of poeple who don't seem to get this.

    For us neutrals, these sort of articles usually have us in stitches and for the record, Robbo has had more than one pop at Boro for their shocking performances this (last?) season. He's also had plenty of digs at Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal. I think Chelsea were a bit overdue for one.

    Full marks for a well-written and passionate defence of your team, but you ought to know by now that anything taking the mickey out of the Big 4 will generally be found funny by anyone who doesn't support them.



    I think, more than anything, Robbo was lamenting the fact that, for some time now, football has become all about the cartel of the wealthy elite clubs at the top, who barring some financial disaster, will be able to maintain their dominance almost indefinitely. Good for them, but boring for everyone else.

    The number of occasions when you can celebrate small (or less well financed) clubs overcoming the odds are becoming fewer and fewer each season.

    However, I think taking the Cup final as a case in point is a mistake, as Chelsea, for all Roman's millions, were in a bit of a mess during Scolari's tenure and it took Hiddink's genius to get them performing to their best again.

    I have to agree that, after Everton score, the game was pretty much all about Chelsea and the better team won in the end. Still, as a neutral, I found it sad that Everton weren't able to match them for the full 90 minutes and seemed to run out of steam long before the final whistle. There was a cetain inevitability about the result once Chelsea equalised.

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  • 71. At 5:27pm on 01 Jun 2009, Xavierneville wrote:

    All teams have to accpet decisions which go against them, however painful
    I can point to several games which evwerton have been robbed...

    Chelsea had their chances in the game and shouldn't rely on the objectivity of a referee. Aranted on another night you may have got 2 pens....

    On another night the lino would have seen Abidal didn't touch Anelka.
    The class of the individual and the ethos of the club speaks much more in defeat than it does in victory

    I can accept the feeling of injustice but not the reaction.....

    just think if we had go an undersed equaliser and as on Sat the lino missed Malouda's goal....Everton went onto win on pens

    I'm sure the players would have reacted poorly again. I can guarantee other teams would not even in the face of poor decisions

    All I hope it that it gets better under the Italian

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  • 72. At 5:32pm on 01 Jun 2009, Xavierneville wrote:

    #69

    Who rattled your cage? LOL! you sound like a very stressed guy, did you get bounced as a baby?

    We finished fifth because we deserved to, we lost the cup final becasue we deserved to.....

    You sound very sour, your team get beaten too many times this years or are objecting because you a team who feels morally superior

    My guess a Toon fan!!!

    Can you keep your calm or reposte with an arguement?

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  • 73. At 5:48pm on 01 Jun 2009, abrighterview wrote:

    No one wanted Chelsea to win? I'm a neutral, and I wanted them to win. Why? Because they have better players, a better football philosophy, a less annoying and over-rated manager, and I didn't have to listen to all the romantic tripe about how wonderful it would be to see them, the underdogs win.
    The team that played the better football on the day won the game. That's a fact, and that was always how it was going to be. What is the point in this hateful article based more on your misinformed, ignorant ideas. The only point of this article is to stir up more hatred towards Chelsea, it's pathetic. I really hope that a few years ago you were not criticising the 'Big Three' and begging for someone to come along and break them up. Chelsea have been that team. They have come along, an already reasonably successful team, and simply done the same as all the other top clubs in the world, made financial sacrifices, bought some of the best players in the world, got in some of the best managers in the world, and played the game of football and won some games. We ALL know that money doesn't equal sucess, so how can Chelsea be accused of buying theirs? They haven't spent more than Man Utd or Liverpool in the last few seasons, and Abramovic is one of very few managers actually aiming at making his club self-sufficient, why is not respected for that?
    At the end of the day, NO ONE would be complaining if their own clubs did what Chelsea have done, and if it weren't for the anti-Chelsea bias in the media, they wouldn't be hated so much, and we wouldn't have four of the best players in England (Terry, Lampard, and the Cole's) constantly criticised and put under so much pressure that it's amazing they even bother to turn up to play for such fickle fans.

    It's only a game, and it's only an article, but please, if you're given the great honour of being able to make money from football journalism, at least pay respect to the profession and try and do something other than stir up anger and disrespect. Terrible journalism.

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  • 74. At 5:54pm on 01 Jun 2009, GoonerMatt5 wrote:

    I have followed one of the big four since I was four and as I get more and more depressed with the state of the modern game (world) I feel the time is ripe for a crazed footballing reformer (me) to step in.

    This is what is required:

    1. Jumpers for goalposts
    2. Wage to turnover ratio maximum of 40%
    3. Maximum first team squad list of 22 players
    4. Properly managed terracing (as in Germany) with consequent reduction in individual ticket prices
    5. 50% of squads to be comprised of youth achademy talents
    6. A genuine fit and proper process so that characters with dubious backgrounds and no business or football knowledge can't ruin clubs
    7. Straight reds for all 'simulation' offences
    8. Incentive scheme to get retired players into refereeing as well as managment and punditry
    9. No more tickets for 'the football family'
    10.More money for lower league football
    11. Creation of a proper National Academy

    So there you go- make me dictator and I promise I'll be benevolent.

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  • 75. At 5:58pm on 01 Jun 2009, northernsuperspur wrote:

    No. 57/ sure he got us to CL final which we probably deserved to win, but we didn't win anything last season and he was sacked. Can't argue with it,

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    I think that this comment sums up perfectly why the neutrals tend to support clubs 5-92 over clubs 1-4 in the league.

    As a Spurs fan I accept that we have underperformed badly in relation to the amounts spent, but I'm at least glad that I would feel pleased if my club finished in 5th place next year. In a way I hope that we also dont spend a lot more money this summer, so Harry can get some credit for his coaching skills instead of the usual "wheeler dealer" image he gets tagged with.

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  • 76. At 6:01pm on 01 Jun 2009, northernsuperspur wrote:

    sorry, that should be quoted from number 55

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  • 77. At 6:07pm on 01 Jun 2009, Cantanker wrote:

    the post 19 is devoid of some truths about superstar purchases. A bit like playing the trombone to a deaf man.
    Veron, Mutu, Deco, the Spanish right back who now caters in Alicante (Horno), Makelele.
    Maybe you bought the wrong superstars but that doesn't make me want Chelsea to win the cup and that's why i cheered on Everton.
    Incidentally i still favour Chelsea over that Northwestern team who have that Portugese sullen, petulent barsteward on the left whinge.
    Oh and have a pound on neither Newcastle or Middlesbrough going up then email and thank me.
    Cantanker
    The bee in your petal.

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  • 78. At 6:37pm on 01 Jun 2009, crokey wrote:

    #19 - It's a test, isn't it? A gullibility test?

    Let's see - Chelsea are a good team because...

    a) Ranieri/Mourinho/Grant/Scolari/Wilkins/Hiddink have an uncanny eye for 'emerging' talent.

    b) they've spent 375m on players in 5 years.

    I'm going with b. Did I pass?

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  • 79. At 6:44pm on 01 Jun 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    ...you can always spot an over-stimulated youngster by their 3500 word post! c'mon - a little restraint, or perhaps some editing skills, please?

    it's all Moneyball now - and that does take some of the sheen off of the beautiful game played at the top level, by ridiculously talented athletes. that's why i can forgive a bit of "holier-than-thou" attitude from diehard supporters of 2nd, 3rd, 4th tier teams... which i'm afraid means you, Robbinho! i'm almost envious ;)

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  • 80. At 6:45pm on 01 Jun 2009, Peter D wrote:

    The big difference between Chelsea and Everton can be seen in the passing statistics, Chelsea passed the ball better did not give it away. How hard is it for a well paid professional footballer to pass a ball to a team mate, they should be able to do it blindfolded.
    The difference between the stars and the not stars, is that the stars have mastered techniques like passing, crossing, running into space.
    I often wonder what most of the Prem teams do in training

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  • 81. At 7:02pm on 01 Jun 2009, John Smith V wrote:

    #65 - Maybe so, but the fact of the matter is you know i'm right and anyone that thinks otherwise is just plain and simply stupid. I can't really put it any other way.

    #66 - "We did show Chelsea up in one respect, how to lose gracefully, well beaten whether you deserve it or not. Despite the class of Hiddink you can still still the tempermental child in Chelsea itching to have a go when things go against them"

    Not a great point to raise since if you were A, either a Chelsea fan or B, it was Everton that were playing Barcelona and got cheated 4 penalties, I think if that had happened, neville, cahill, yobo, osman etc would have all done exactly the same as what Ballack, Drogba and Bosingwa did. Show how bleedin mad they were and damn right, there was nothing wrong with what all of them did in certain respects, dont give me that tosh on "lose gratefully," i'd LOVE to see any other football team in the premier league lose in the style Chelsea did to Barcelona in such an important match and we'll see how your players react. Drogba was understandly furious with that oaf of a referee.And last few years now we've had this unbelievable bad luck in the champions league:

    1. Messed up a semi final against monaco (who aren't exactly Man u or Barca)
    2. Luis garcias ghost goal that NEVER CROSSED THE LINE as gallas cleared it OFF the line but scousers never seem to admit that it did never go in.
    3. Liverpool penalty shootout - what a surprise, chelsea lose on penalties like we always do.
    4. We lose in the most cruellest of ways against Man united in a penalty shooutout despite dominating the second half and pressing them in extra time.
    5. We "lose" Cough DRAW against Barcelona 1-1 at Stamford Bridge in the second leg sending them through on away goals, despite having FOUR strong penalty appeals turned down.

    NOW CAN YOU SEE CHELSEA PLAYERS FRUSTRATION IN THAT WE SEEMED TO BE JINXED WHEN IT COMES TO THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. I'm glad Drogba did what he did, it needed to be said!! The ref was an absolute disgrace and you can't disagree.

    #68 - Exactly.

    #69 - Sorry but disagree Moyes and Everton deserve some silverware in the cabinet.

    #70 - I know mate, entirely agree with you, just annoys me when I see someone who's blogging for BBC really to be frank having dig after dig at my football club.

    #71 - Remember everyone forgets this, Abidal should have been sent off in the first place before his red card as he pulled down Drogba in the box in one of the certain penalties.

    #73 - Couldn't have put it better myself.

    #75 - Yes, but remember you didn't include more of the quote about Grant and I didn't particularly see Chelsea winning things with him as a long-term appointment. Do you really think Grant was capable of guiding us to a premier league title or champions league cup, it would have been interesting to find out but I'm not so sure and clearly Kenyon/Roman weren't either.

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  • 82. At 7:10pm on 01 Jun 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    re:81ArdOnForJT

    i'm not an Everton supporter; but Moyes, his players, and the entire club are far more deserving of plaudits than your bunch of spoiled brats who, like jackals, scurried to the trough of Russian Mob $$.

    sorry to break it to ya, but that's just the way it is :(

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  • 83. At 7:11pm on 01 Jun 2009, Blue_McSweeney wrote:

    how often do us chelsea fans feel compelled to apologise for the fact we have money and are successful?

    here we have robbo, the every day man with a chip on his shoulder about a club, yes built upon monetary gains but so what???
    we're taking advantage of our financial luck like anyone else.

    have fun in the championship boro.

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  • 84. At 7:19pm on 01 Jun 2009, Blue_McSweeney wrote:

    i dnt see why ppl cant have appreciation for both clubs.
    we've thrived on money and theyve thrived on small amounts of funds.

    i hugely appreciate what everton and moyes have done with their club but its so typical that ppl hate chelsea caus they evny the money.
    ppl supportin rubbish clubs always go on about how they wouldnt want the money and like supporting a "real club"
    well chelsea are a real club, get over it, just with money.
    its not like chelsea have come out in the press and insulted other clubs.
    i think there should be mutual respect for teams in the league.
    :(

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  • 85. At 7:20pm on 01 Jun 2009, John Smith V wrote:

    #82 - Ok ok easy now, you could call them spoiled brats yes, but it's not me it's Abramovich who pays their ridiculous wages.
    However, the Russian mob - what's that got anything to do with Abramovich? He made his money by oil, just cos he has a lot of it and no surprise loads of people would love to be as rich as him, but come off it the money isn't dirty money or whatever people just chat complete rubbish to show their annoyance at how much money Chelsea have!

    #83 - Exactly, could have put it that way myself.

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  • 86. At 7:24pm on 01 Jun 2009, Fernando Torrid-time Defense wrote:

    Truly great blog Robbo. What you said was true, I wanted Everton to win, and I am a Liverpool supporter. Roman's $$$ have diluted the English football culture. Man City is following the same example. ManU and Liverpool do not have these godfatherly bank-rollers and so have to rely on their support and (in ManU's case) gazzillion sponsorship deals. Tut-Tut.. Barcelona seems to be the best example of how a football club should be run, and where it is more about the football and less about the football-ers.

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  • 87. At 7:25pm on 01 Jun 2009, shinywillie1980 wrote:

    I reckon JTardasnails has responded personally more in this blog than robbo has all season. I think robbo has been scared off like everyone else this dude is on a mission.

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  • 88. At 7:29pm on 01 Jun 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    "However, the Russian mob - what's that got anything to do with Abramovich? He made his money by oil...but come off it the money isn't dirty money"

    bah!

    that's an even better laugh than the "Fuhrer reacts to Newcastle's relegation" video that's going around. thank you for that.

    and i suppose you think his bro, Vlad "the Implailer" Putin, is an honorable gent as well!

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  • 89. At 7:30pm on 01 Jun 2009, rudder3 wrote:

    This is a fair blog on the whole Robbo apart from one issue, and as usual like most football supporters you also appear to have a bit of a short memory.
    Being a genuine Man United supporter myself and living approximately 3 miles from the ground and having followed them since the difficult days of the 70's i take issue with this comment of yours -
    "The inability to compete unless some bewilderingly rich someone or other who you've never heard of wraps a blindfold round his eyes and sticks a pin in your club just grinds you down".
    I think you've obviously forgotten that Man united and Liverpool's success owes itself a lot to their long colourful histories playing exciting football, investing in young promising players, giving their managers time and more importantly managing their finances very well and so building their own success over a very long period of time.
    Therefore they now deserve to be able to afford the best players unlike Chelsea and maybe in the future Man City.
    These 2 are the teams to target your frustrations at.
    United and Liverpool are the clubs to admire and try to follow.

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  • 90. At 7:45pm on 01 Jun 2009, True_Blue1905 wrote:

    wow you really hate us don't you. sorry about you being relegated but you deserved to be, poor all season. is this really what i pay my license fee for. utter tosh

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  • 91. At 7:49pm on 01 Jun 2009, NEARPOSTHEADER wrote:

    I've got to say that I think people are forgetting the fact that money has bred success in football for many, many years; it's not a recent innovation, more that the scale of money available has increased. There again, the global football 'package' has changed, with clubs like Man U and Real Madrid being brand names throughout the world, with the resulting revenue making them into a commodity. We all know that Beckham's signature for Real was more for his marketing power than his footballing prowess.
    When I was a kid, Everton were regarded as a wealthy club, Arsenal too, and didn't Liverpool's rise to dominance coincide with the Moores family taking a controlling interest? But no-one whined on about their team having no chance because it was up against a wealthy one. Manchester has always been a well-supported club, and their gate receipts gave them a financial muscle that other clubs couldn't match.
    Yes, the dominance of the Big Four is making the title race rather boring; the relegation struggle being much more interesting nowadays, but that just might be because dropping out of the Prem is financially disastrous. It speaks volumes now that the 3rd place play-off final for promotion to the Prem is probably worth more to the winners than the Champions League Final.
    My team, West Ham, has never won the league, third being its highest finish. Has it ever been a rich club? No, never. Says it all really. yes, exceptional managers like Brian Clough managed to drag a modest club like Nottingham Forest to the dizzy heights of the European Cup - twice - but how many times has a Brian Clough come along?
    As mentioned, Germany is showing admirable sense in the way it runs football - small standing areas, lower entrance prices, genuine competitiveness and, it seems, plenty of goals being scored. And the national team always does well. Perhaps there is a lesson there for all. However, their clubs have not really featured in the Champs League - this year, Barca made Bayern look like a bit silly. So, you pays yer money and you takes yer Champions League choice.
    What I'd like to see more than anything, is a sensible levelling off of ticket prices. With the amount of money coming into the coffers of the Prem clubs from TV rights, the price of admission should be one of the lowest in Europe, not the highest - far too much money is being paid out to players.

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  • 92. At 8:01pm on 01 Jun 2009, Batterseaboys wrote:

    Boohoohoo... 'boro didn't get relegated losing the big four, they got relegated 'coz they're rubbish!

    Liverpool were backed by the Moore's family and Woolwich Arsenal have many skeletons in the closet!

    Chelsea were the first team EVER to qualify for Europe and were told by the FA to decline to offer - can you imagine the Lawsuits that would be flying around had that happened today! Now imagine if Chelsea HAD been allowed to compete... We would have attracted bigger name players of the day more success and built a dynasty... the FA denied us that and Roman has redressed the balance! Deal with it! Lets see if you come back up next season 'coz if you don't then these words are gonna look pretty stupid!

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  • 93. At 8:17pm on 01 Jun 2009, Blue_McSweeney wrote:

    92 made a great point.

    i have to say u have consistently been one of the most ovverated awful clubs ive ever watched (middlesborough).
    players like stewart downing-ive heard his agent was told he could leave to go to a top 4 club: PLEASE hes an awful footballer.
    87 shots and no goals this season? wow.
    and well lets not go on about alfonso alves...

    chelsea are quality and thats why we continue to challenge for trophies.

    CHELSEA ARE THE BEST

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  • 94. At 8:30pm on 01 Jun 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Aw now Chelsea fans don't get the idea that you're the only ones I dislike. I wasn't too fond of my own team this year either. You really have to accept the fact that before Roman's millions Chelsea were, well, Everton, pretty much.

    It's pointless getting on your high Kings Road horses cos someone is narked about the trough of cash your squad wades through. Only Mourinho and briefly Hiddink seems to have chained that wealth to anything like a collective purpose. (Grant had a go, I suppose).

    I could point out that a previous assertion that Chelsea was robbed v Barca has not been remarked upon by any Blues fans. That although I had a giggle at JT a few months later at the time I was gutted for the bloke and said so.

    Of course Chelsea deserved to win the football match on Saturday. They played by far the better stuff. My point is that I'd prefer them, and Man U and Liverpool and Arsenal (to a lesser extent) not to keep all the treasure to themselves. The fact that they do has a lot to with the money they can spend. You can argue that the money has to be spent wisely but I'm not so sure. Chelsea can still compete having spent shedloads on misfits and no-hopers: Veron, del Horno, Deco, Sheva (Sheva!), SWP, Mutu, Bogarde, and I seem to remember Sutton, Johnson and many many more. United can always dip into the coffers for more. Rafa's transfer policy has been sketchy to say the least but it doesn't look like he'll be handing out the begging bowl at the meeting with Stadler and Waldorf in the close season. If the cup runneth over you don't have to worry if a lot of stuff gets wasted.

    I don't expect you to not be enjoying it, Chelsea fans. But it IS about the money.

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  • 95. At 8:32pm on 01 Jun 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Should add that it's not the FANS of Chelsea I dislike! Some of my best friends are WEst Londoners!

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  • 96. At 8:35pm on 01 Jun 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Blimey! I should also add that while I'm right glum about the relegation, I'm not blaming anyone but the team who went out on the pitch and effectively fertilized the grass so poor were they.

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  • 97. At 8:42pm on 01 Jun 2009, Exiledkopite wrote:

    It seems that you can no longer write funny articles on the BBC website because if you do try to entertain people with a humourous look at things they get all irate and throw all there toys out of the pram!! As a Liverpool fan of nearly 40 years I wholly agree with you Robbo that the Prem is a bit dull now, as is the Champs League. You can pretty much guarantee the top 4 and even the semi finals of the CL unless they draw each other and sadly it is down to money. I know that we dominated the league in the 70's and 80's but there were many other teams challenging back then and often winning it. Forest, Derby, Ipswich, Everton, Man U, Villa and others were all up there and you certainly did not know the top 4 at the start of the season. Money is the problem pure and simple. I fear for what comes next with Man City and even possibly Portsmouth being taken over by the richest of the rich. Sadly, there is no easy answer so what can you do?

    I find it amusing how Chelsea fans are on here trying to say that they have not bought success. Oh hang on, maybe that is the humourous part of the blog!!

    As for JTardasnails, what are you on? I can't believe that like that idiot Mourinho, you are still bleating on about Luis Garcias goal in the semis. Maybe you are unaware of the rules of football but if the ref had not given the goal (which may or may not have crossed the line) we would have had a penalty and you would have been down to 10 men? Which was the best outcome for Chelsea at that point of the match then?

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  • 98. At 8:48pm on 01 Jun 2009, BTFCscott wrote:

    Why is it that people ignore the fact that AFC Wimbledon are more than the Man Utd at the levels that they have played at? They have a huge advantage in attendances and finances that make their success as inevitable as one of the "big four" qualifying for Europe. They have purchased the home of a once great non-league club in Kingstonian and are known in all the leagues they have passed through for their arrogance. If you want to champion real underdog just choose a non-league club that manages to pay the bills and wages and survive from season to season.

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  • 99. At 8:57pm on 01 Jun 2009, yoponz wrote:

    nice :)

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  • 100. At 9:01pm on 01 Jun 2009, edmaclen wrote:

    Wow, people sure are getting angry over this one aren't they?

    I may be wrong about this but Robbo's point appears to be that the sheer amount of money means that it will be extremely difficult for other clubs to have a bite at the Premier Leaague cherry without acquiring that amount of money too.

    It's not about big 4 bashing as such (although some of the jokes are funny) and there is a strong element of the green eyed monster from everyone not in that small group BUT the fact is that it is still true, for better or worse.

    At Everton, and we're doing much better than a great deal of clubs so we can't get that tetchy, Kenwright has openly said that he has to sell the club for us to compete at the next level and he's spot on. It's a shame that genuine owners that care deeply about their club are being forced out just to see their team succeed.

    Chelsea, Man City and now Portsmouth(?) etc are the symptoms of the illness but they are definitely not the cause.

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  • 101. At 9:06pm on 01 Jun 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    Lets be honest, everyone knew that the worst thing Everton could have done was score after 25 seconds.

    It was cruel in a way that only a cat, catnip on a string and a swimming pool covered by a thin veil of mouse-print polythene could rival.

    Mind you, is it me or has Abramovich traded down with his latest female acquaintance? Shes not half as fit as the last one but a lot fitter than Hibbert. I know it was hot, but he needs to get on a treadmill and learn to run for more than 20 minutes without looking to his manager with a face screaming 'please boss, get me off, I'm knackered'.

    Everton were never going to win, not in a month of Bisto adverts. Moyes knew it, the Toffees on the M1 knew it and the bookies knew it. Without Arteta and Jagger they had about as much chance as I did of winning with my Stavros Flatley wager. I know there is an EU Diversity policy these days but the British public ruined my night by taking it all too seriously.

    As for Phil Neville, sorry, I can never forgive him for conceding THAT penalty. Proof again that you can take a very average Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal player and make them look bloody brilliant in any other team.

    Cue Robbo to disagree. Aliadiere. Point taken.



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  • 102. At 9:07pm on 01 Jun 2009, yoponz wrote:

    post 100 double nice :) :)

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  • 103. At 10:09pm on 01 Jun 2009, Bodin! Fachy Fawr wrote:

    Using that same logic Robbo, give Wrexham Boro's place in the Championship next year and you lot can have ours in the Blue Square. What do you say?

    No? Well, that's because success is usually earned - Wrexham don't deserve to be in the Championship. Boro most definitely do.

    With the exception of Chelsea (really) all of the Big 4 were successful prior to the money flooding into the game. The money has just re-enforced a hierarchy that already existed. I don't view your beloved Boro differently than I do the top 4 (or any other current, former or wannabe premiership clubs) - you lot have more money than we could dream of. Then again, I understand that the reason is because I support a smaller club.

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  • 104. At 10:11pm on 01 Jun 2009, JMcK wrote:

    This just shows how football is becoming increasingly distorted by money. I'm a Scottish football fan (Inverness Caley Thistle, for my sins), and I'm used to hearing about how the EPL is so superior to the SPL, and how the SPL is a mickey-mouse two horse race. Now, we can argue about the quality of Scottish football, but the EPL isn't much more of a 'competition'.

    Basically, in the EPL, the top 4 almost always finish in the top 4, and the team that finished above Man U wins the league. No other team has ANY chance of challenging the top 4 unless they get bankrolled by a billionaire. Plus, at the bottom of the league, most of the teams that get promoted go back down again - and a lot of them yo-yo up and down. That is unless being starved of premiership TV revenue means that they go into big financial trouble.

    In the meantime, the salaries and signing fees at the top keep rising, and more and more cash is squeezed out of the fans, whilst the same teams keep their stranglehold on the competitions.

    Eventually we'll start to wise up and we might see a more open playing field (across all competitions) where the average fan isn't getting fleeced and huge sums of money aren't going to overpaid footballers and agents.

    Or am I being a bit too optimistic? :(

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  • 105. At 10:15pm on 01 Jun 2009, Wildeybeast wrote:

    JTArdAsNails wrote:
    "put us in the CL final which we all know we should have been in, the only reason we weren't was from woeful refereeing and I personally think if we'd been in the final we would have beaten united.

    Fair enough Everton had beaten United, Liverpool, Villa, Boro and West ham but they didn't beat us did they. If you can't beat the team that your playing in the final, your not as good on the day and the winning team deserve to win"

    That's hilarious. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot with stupid comments. Everyone knew Barca could and probably would score, every pundit worthy of the name said Chelsae would need two, so the boys in Blue and Gus must have realised too. You couldn't score more than one goal past 10 men (see, Barca suffered shoddy refereeing as well). When are Chelsea fans just going to accept that on the day they weren't good enough to beat the team in front of them and stop moaning about it?

    I'm a Liverpool fan and I'll happily admit that we're knocked out of the CL by a side who outplayed us over two legs. So come on Chelsea fans, time to stop moaning and enjoy the FA cup hey?

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  • 106. At 10:20pm on 01 Jun 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Wait a minute. I know Chelsea fans chunter on but if I was a Shed-ender I would be having a right good moan about that Champs League farce n all. I understand the ghost goal mardiness n all. Maybe it's all a higher powere's way of evening things up a bit.

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  • 107. At 10:41pm on 01 Jun 2009, flaspur wrote:

    #19

    let's not forget also that Chelsea tapped up the best talent of every 'non top 4' with their pockets full of cash and promises of the bright lights of the Champions League. have we forgotten Sean Wright-Phillips, Damien Duff, Joe Cole, Steve Sidwell, Wayne Bridge, Glen Johnson and Scott Parker? all were established names, all were headed for a big 4 club and many were discarded for a fraction of their purchase price because Abramovich can afford to write them off.

    before i get tainted as anti spending i should say that, as a Spurs fan, we have been guilty of throwing cash around as well but don't let's pretend that Chelsea have been buying unknown players and turning them into polished gems because it just doesn't wash.

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  • 108. At 10:50pm on 01 Jun 2009, flaspur wrote:

    #106

    hi Robbo,

    there were 2 stone wall refereeing errors on Saturday (there was an offside in the build up to Everton's goal and the Malouda shot went over the line). those 2 decisions would have caused a 2 goal swing in Chelsea's favour but Drogba didn't manhandle the ref at full time. how come?

    i guess as long as he got the result he wanted then he was prepared to forgive the ref/lino for their errors. after all the result is all that matters eh?

    the coverage we get here in the US is limited to just the game (little post match debate of any worth....well we get Warren Barton so you understand the problem) so i don't know if there was much talk about the decisions on tv there.

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  • 109. At 11:30pm on 01 Jun 2009, Gigawatts wrote:

    Well Robbo I enjoy your blogs usually but as a Chelsea fan it's difficult to laugh along this time.

    I know what relegation feels like because the Boro sent us down all those years ago, if you remember. Crappy relegation playoff thing that shouldn't have existed. I can honestly say in those years we were rubbish, I never resented the top two/three/four, and didn't rant like you about the unfair playing field. In many ways being a Chelsea fan in those days was more fun, and wins were appreciated a whole lot more. Certainly the promotion season in the old division one was ten times more fun than struggling to 15th in the top league.

    Actually it's still quite surreal the attitude towards my club since Abramovich, I just couldn't have imagined it back then.

    It gets tiring hearing the same old rubbish though, but we did qualify for the champions league on the last day of the season before Abramovich came, and won several cups etc in the years preceding it, and had some damn good players. Of course you know all this, and just want us to bite...

    Good luck for next season, I quite like Boro :)

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  • 110. At 11:37pm on 01 Jun 2009, Jonny_Smoggy_Parmo wrote:

    To one of the late number 60's...

    Do you honestly believe most members of the chelsea squad are (or more importantly, are going to be) as long serving for their current team as evertons players?

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  • 111. At 00:00am on 02 Jun 2009, used2beprofi wrote:

    carlo ancellottery- classic, robbo, haha thank you...

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  • 112. At 00:35am on 02 Jun 2009, bigbabalee wrote:

    "...And the owner sits up in the exec boxes smirking like a demonic schoolboy as his latest toy brushes..." Ha, ha, ha, ha!!! APT, Robbo, APT!!! LMAO!!!

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  • 113. At 00:47am on 02 Jun 2009, The Chelsea Fan wrote:

    Why, when talking about money ruining football, is it always Chelsea that get mentioned? Chelsea have used that money to COMPETE WITH UTD AND LIVERPOOL. We're not winning everything, sometimes we win NOTHING.

    Man Utd have enjoyed success over the last two decades because they got the bets players. With money. They spend big money on players today. They don't play their big players every game, they have more than enough to go around.

    Liverpool could have won something by now if their manager could decide on a team and develop it.

    But no, it's always sold that money isn't ruining football, Chelsea are. It's silly.

    Blame Sky for pumping the money in and taking live PL football off the free-broadcast channels. Blame UEFA for coming up with a CL title that pays out so much.

    It's not because of Chelsea. The top teams ALWAYS had the most money. Chelsea are not even the richest team in the PL today.

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  • 114. At 00:50am on 02 Jun 2009, _Nichollz_ wrote:

    72. At 5:32pm on 01 Jun 2009, Xavierneville wrote:
    #69

    "Who rattled your cage? LOL! you sound like a very stressed guy, did you get bounced as a baby?#

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    No and no. LOL!


    "We finished fifth because we deserved to, we lost the cup final becasue we deserved to....."

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    Yes you lost and deserved to. Well done. LOL!


    "You sound very sour, your team get beaten too many times this years or are objecting because you a team who feels morally superior"

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    No, just think Everton are awful and overrated. LOL!


    "My guess a Toon fan!!!"

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    No. LOL!


    "Can you keep your calm or reposte with an arguement? "

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    Nah. LOL!

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  • 115. At 01:56am on 02 Jun 2009, onelung82 wrote:

    As an Everton fan i was proud on Saturday we got beat by a team who yeah played a lot better then us, but we kept going and we took defeat graciously something our opponents may wish to learn from themselves.

    And can not remember which Chelsea fan on the board was trying to say they have not bought success shame on you, i nearly burnt my private parts when i spat my tea out reading that bit of tripe! when you have not won the league in 50 years and then get bank rolled by a billionaire and then surprise surprise win it what exactly do you call that? please i would be interested to read just give us a bit of warning so for your next bit of typing diorea so i can but my cup down before i read.

    while it pains me to say Man u while yes do have money they have done it on home grown talent over the years as well look at what fergie has brought through the youth team. you guys have not while you may say it sounds bitter it isnt it is just a truth.

    To me i hope they bring in something, i like rugby's idea of having team wage caps so yeah you can still have the well played star but you do not get to have a team of them not going to happen i know but its a nice idea

    interesting to see what will happen next year personally i think it'll be Man u, chelski, RS, Arsenal, with Man city buying 5th and us spurs and Villa fighting out for 6th 7th and 8th. and i think it will be that for a good while to come unless either something is done better or we all get our own suger daddy's.

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  • 116. At 07:38am on 02 Jun 2009, St_Domingo_Gringo wrote:

    Nice blog Robbo,
    Proud of the boys on the pitch and the boys and girls off it who gave Wembley a worthy atmosphere. A shame the former chose such a high profile game to put in one of their worst performances of the season.
    As for the Sky4 monopoly, I'd question the sustainability of one heavily debt laden club in particular if they started losing out on the usual suspects annual love in. Maybe they could appeal?

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  • 117. At 08:49am on 02 Jun 2009, cfcboy23 wrote:

    Poor typical anti-Chelsea rant, Robbo - your bitterness being the only amusing thing here. Shame, really as you can - usually - be quite entertaining.
    Given we have just won the cup it's easy to put Chelsea fairly and squarely central to the whole 'money is bad' issue. Remember Blackburn/Jack Walker, Leeds/Risdale? Just not current/topical enough.
    Yes we have a lot of money but RA targetted Spurs first and they wouldn't entertain him... oh how different things could have been. Chelsea were atractive to him thereafter as Ranieri had done an excellent job prior to this - PL runners up/CL semi final - with many of the players other posters seem intent on telling us were bought with Russian money.
    Usual boring boring, blame Chelsea, disregard the facts... etc etc
    Blog = rubbish, lots of silly (and bitter) posting = entertaining... must renew my license!!

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  • 118. At 08:52am on 02 Jun 2009, Ferdinand wrote:

    Disappointing blog, by your usual good standards. I read it for a few laughs but they were non-existent in this one.
    I can understand your disappointment but aren't you supposed to be a professional writer?? Park your emotions and do your job - like the rest of us have to!
    In truth, Boro didn't desrve to stay in the EPL - not because they were useless (apart from beating Liverpool! How did that happen??) but because their fans leave swathes of empty seats at most home games. Let other towns/cities have a go for a while.
    As to level playing fields - what?? How do parachute payments make things fair??
    All this bleating about the Big Four flies in the face of logic. Three of them have always been serial winners. OK the fourth is annoying but they won't be there long.
    Roman will get bored and Chelski will become a mid-table team again, to be replaced by (probably) Spurs or Everton.
    Every sport and facet of life has an elite. Why should football be different?
    Who will win Wimbledon this year? If its Nadal v Federer again in the final will people lose interest? Quite the opposite.
    Same thing in football. The EPL is more popular than ever. The Big Four are watched by billions around the world. Boro can't even fill their own gound - do you honestly think that anyone elese wants to watch them?
    The Big Four pull in the money which everyone else benefits from. The other teams - the bit players - are necessary but no-one, apart from their own fans (who are - strangely by your logic - desperate to get into/stay in this very unfair league!) cares who they are.
    Elites are a part of life. Embrace it and celebrate it.
    Fill your ground every week and you might even aspire to join the elite one day - how do you think they became the elite?? (Bar Chelski, of course).

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  • 119. At 08:59am on 02 Jun 2009, Millonarios wrote:

    What a bitter arrogant rant about nothing. Every league has a set of top teams and i bet many of you sit in your pub druelling at the yearly Barca-Madrid la liga contest with little care for any of the other mid table teams.

    To say that Everton deserve to win it more than Chelsea just shows how little knowledge you have of the real world. Everyone at Chelsea worked extremely hard to push it from a mid table team to a Champions league place contender. That hard work paid off because it made the club attractive to someone like Abramobich who then came in to make it bigger. Practically every top club in the world has a rich sponsor, that includes the Madrid city council. So who are you to deny Chelsea one.

    Im sure at some point in the past you used to write for a smaller media outlet before being approached by the BBC. You now have millions of worldwide readers, does that make you a sellout to the game.

    Anyway its not like the big 4 have been around for hundreds of years monopolising footbal, i'd say the tag has only existed in the last 6-7 years. I've got older boxer shorts than that. And Im sure you still have boxers that saw Nott Forest win the European Cups, I bet you didnt think they would be end up where they are now. So who knows what English football will be like in 10 years time.

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  • 120. At 09:10am on 02 Jun 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Comparing the EPL to other leagues doesn't make the monopoly any easier to bear. Chelsea is a different club cos pre-Abramovic they won next to nothing, cf Liverpool and United. So while the MU and Pool can claim a bit of heritage in the matter, Chelsea, although becoming a much better outfit, really only started competing when they were bank-rolled by one individual. It's downright short-sighted to expect that a fan of a club outside the BIg 4 is going to be skipping down the street glad-handing any fan of a trophy-laden club lucky (crazy?) enough to hand out 130 grand a week to the first team squad players.

    Mind I'll accept one criticism: I am bitter.

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  • 121. At 09:25am on 02 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Robbo mate, you have really pressed some buttons here... And it is fair to say that CFC are only AS big as they are now thanks to the money... No doubt, but i think that saying just because Manu and 'Pool have had money for longer that makes them somehow better than Chelsea is a flawed logic, as in 30 years time chelsea will have a herritage too...

    Anyway we have had to launch a fund to give Our gaffer some money to either buy or pay players as we have not got anything to invest...

    But any Sheiks or Oligarcs that wanna buy the mighty Pheonix, you are welcome...

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  • 122. At 09:54am on 02 Jun 2009, sooperfranc wrote:

    Yes Everton are a well run club, Moyes is a good manager who gets results on a shoestring in premiership terms and Bill Kenwright is every clubs dream chairman but without the bank balance.

    However, no-one deserves to win anything, the beauty of the FA cup is that every team has the chance to win it and the draw is unseeded. The team that gets to the final and performs on the day wins. Sometimes the better team on the day doesn't win, again that's cup football.

    Chelsea were clearly the better team on the day, this time overcoming decisions which went against them (Malouda over the line and Lampard booking for a decent penalty shout).

    Peaople seem to forget, without the Manchester Utd's, Liverpool's, Chelsea's and Arsenal's and their superstar players and managers people wouldn't tune in to watch the Premiership in such numbers which result in the shed loads of money that Sky fork out for coverage. The so called richest game in the world, the Championship play off, is worth more than winning the Champions League. That means teams like Burnley making £30-50 million quid, you can knock the big four but English football needs them.

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  • 123. At 09:58am on 02 Jun 2009, Richyburger wrote:

    I laughed heartily during the FA cup final when one of the commentators stated that "Chelsea hadn't had much luck with referee's in May".

    Except the goal against Sunderland where Mancienne handled in his own penalty area (should have given away a penalty) and then running straight up the other end and scoring.

    Referee's are so biased towards the big4 it's unbelievable so excuse me if I won't cry myself to sleep at the knowledge that the had a taste of their own medicine for once.

    Oh and if Drogba had been able to score when one on one with the Barcelona keeper it wouldn't matter how many penalty decisions were wrongly turn away (1, 2 max by the way the rest weren't!)

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  • 124. At 09:58am on 02 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    All I see is a bunch of jealous crying...

    Chelsea was far better than a mid table team long before the riches came in. The guy who said Roman bought them because of that fact is 100% correct. Chelsea built a very good team, got bought out and then started adding players with big money just like Man UTD has done. In fact Chelsea actually broke up Man UTD's monopoly and made the EPL better. Now they have started a trend where many teams are getting investors (Man City, Sunderland, Liverpool, to some degree Man UTD themselves) and it has made the EPL the strongest league in Europe. If people like Robo were not so sad and pathetic they would be able to see that. After all its not like Chelsea win the EPL every year now do they? No, but they compete and make Man UTD at least have to earn the title.

    All you people who found humour, in his comment about watching John Terry miss the penalty over and over should really check yourselves. John Terry is the captain of England and has always been faithful to his club and country. The fact any of you can get happiness from watching him suffer is a very profound statement about the way you have allowed yourself to embrace a culture of hate over happiness. Hoping Man UTD wins and hoping that Chelsea (i.e. John Terry) suffers is two completely different things. One is ok; the other is a reflection of some personal problems that should be addressed. Don't even try that nonsense about John Terry's off field behaviour - its just an excuse and you know it. Neither you nor I have any idea what John Terry does in his personal life.

    The people who are posting saying "Robo's" constant attacks on the big four are out of line are absolutely correct. There is simply no excuse for his behaviour. And don't start trying to make lame excuse for him. He has written like this from day one and its a reflection of the person.

    Its fans like Robo that give a large section of the country great feelings of warmth and happiness that Boro and Newcastle went down. Sadly, Robo does not represent the majority. Robo, just like the yobs you find in bad areas is the minority, yet just like those areas the reputation sticks

    What I can not understand is why any of you expect better from him? In almost every single Blog he has posted there has been at least one vile comment about one of the top four teams and his blogs often contain ethnocentric swipes (that means "racist" to most British people). Generally his more nasty comments are reserved for Americans and reflect the common media driven nonsense of the day, but his comments not only shame the BBC, they shame all British people.

    What is shocking to me is so many of you support him and say things like "great blog mate" - guess what, its not a great blog when you include that bile and racism. That even one person post here saying "great job lad" is a very sad statement about England. Every American, Italian and French person I know (and that is not a small number) absolutely hate Robo's blog as do most of the people I know from London. Robo's "jokes" are not funny - they just instigate hatred, his writing style is not clever, its just borderline illiterate propaganda which appears to me very similar to hate groups like National Alliance, Storm Front or FAIR. I would not be surprise if "Robo" was a National Alliance member.

    The worst part of it all is the BBC ALLOWS him to blog on their behalf and steals our money to do it.

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  • 125. At 10:02am on 02 Jun 2009, Millonarios wrote:

    So Chelsea deserve nothing in this world because they have no 'heritage'. C'mon are you a narrow minded Sun reading part time football fan, or are you a true fan of the game (like a wife, theres good and bad...but thats part of the package you love). When you let bitternes take over, you lose all that and encourage hate campaigns like the one you have against Chelsea FC. I dont want you to skip down the road and shake my hand....but some respect would be appreciated.

    Also - If Everton are so great, why have they done nowt with the opportunities they've had in the Uefa and Champs league?. Theres been no big 4 there to spoil the fun. It is fair to say they have been shameful. Maybe they are actually not that good.

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  • 126. At 10:06am on 02 Jun 2009, Zidanepirouette wrote:

    #73

    You're a neutral?! ha ha ha don't think so mate.

    Chelsea were a 'reasonably successful team' before Abramovic? that is hilarious. One league win back in 50s is reasonably successful? rrrright.

    And 'financial sacrifices?' what were those then?? ...apart from the sacrifice made on Schevchenko!!

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  • 127. At 10:17am on 02 Jun 2009, cfcboy23 wrote:

    #118
    Started so promising... then fell on your sword by - predictably - showing your resentment towards Chelsea.
    Oh dear, very nearly well done. Your problem with Chelsea? Two PLs perchance?

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  • 128. At 10:17am on 02 Jun 2009, RedDevil4Life wrote:

    Robbo, i respect your comments and they are pretty valid at times, but to consistently take digs at the 'richer' clubs is getting a bit old now.

    In fairness to Man United, they've earn't their cash over the years, they've become what they are today, the Glazer's haven't changed anything. United haven't spent any more money than in the past under the Glazer's. Out of the big four United also have by far the largest british contingent....FACT!

    Chelsea and Man City are just billionnaire play toys and to be honest are a bit of a discredit to the rest of Europe, as most other teams and people look at them and just think....it's all about money there, which is true!

    There's not a lot of loyalty there, cos let's face it money talks and i guarantee thats the only reason why a lot of the Chelsea and Man City players are still at those clubs. Robinho is a prime example, i mean fancy turning up for your first days' training and saying...."So where's Rooney, Ronaldo & Tevez, i can't wait to meet them?",

    Chelsea have brought success and have not earn't the millions they've spent, United have, now that's a fact! In reality out of the 'Big Four' Man United are the only team that have a successful business built up over the years, way before any billionnaires came along!

    Trust is something that these billions can't buy, such as the trust in Fergie from everyone at United, shame Roman doesn't share that with his managers.....I give Ancelotti till the end of May before he gets axe!

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  • 129. At 10:29am on 02 Jun 2009, jinglingling wrote:

    I agree with the sentiments expressed about Everton. Moyes deserves a crack at a big club now, or deserves to be given a larger cheque book to push Everton into the top four.
    http://www.nowgoal.com/30.shtml

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  • 130. At 10:29am on 02 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    SimpleTruth09.... NO WAY!

    Are you for real, or is that just a massive wind up???

    For you to accuse a comedy charachter (sorry to ruin the illusion, but Robbos photo is a bit of a give-away) of being a racist for what are toungue in cheek, and very mild comments is downright shameful...

    GREAT BLOG ROBBO MATE....

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  • 131. At 10:33am on 02 Jun 2009, martinf1805 wrote:

    I'm no Chelsea fan but I have no problem with the fact that they're in the position they're in because of a wealthy chairman. The problem, as stated in the blog is that what do you do if you don't have the good fortune that Chelsea and now Man City have had? How exactly do you break into the top tier of the game as things stand?
    It's always the same story with the chasing pack - they find a good player who or bring them through the youth system and as soon as they show their class, someone offers them CL football and a double your salary offer and they're gone. I respect David Moyes efforts but in truth this makes it near impossible to build a team that can regularly challenge for honours so you're left as Robbo says - hoping that some billionaire fancies you or go for it paying wages and transfers like Leeds and Newcastle and risk their grisly fate.
    As much as it hurts me to say it, it's not Chealsea's fault that the system is as it is. Until UEFA change the way the CL is organised all the domestic leagues will be nothing more than CL entry systems. Sad!

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  • 132. At 10:37am on 02 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    RedDevil4Life - Man UTD have not "earned" their money anymore than Chelsea. You are kidding yourself and you simply do not know their history

    The rest of Europe respect Chelsea the same as Man UTD, Liverpool and Arsneal.

    Its only the bitter people of the world who care about Man City's or Chelsea owners. Those people are just bitter - they would find problems with just about any team that caught their eye. That is their own personal problems and does not validate anyone's opinions

    Real Madrid, Barca and Juve have far worst history with money and yet no one cares about it. Nor are they mentioning it here now are they?

    You are only showing your bitterness because Man City and Chelsea are threatening Man UTD's monopoly

    We will not even talk about Liverpool's and Man UTD's involvement in the now defunct G14 and the pressure they exerted to start the "Premier" League(s) formations and the current Champions League Format. Talk about dirty money and trying to lock your position through artifical means... It is after all the basis of this entire thread

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  • 133. At 10:40am on 02 Jun 2009, Chris A wrote:

    #125

    Absolutely spot on, I just could not put it better myself.

    Every single time I come across this person's blog, it is filled with utter rubbish regarding the big four and, I must say, in particular, Chelsea.

    I wrote a similar post yesterday where I stated that whilst opinions must be respected, what I can't respect is when people come out with such trash. People can hate Chelsea by all means, but please have a legitimate reason for doing so. The things people come out with about why they dislike Chelsea is just such inconsistent, hypercritical drivel or is just completely untrue. The reasons most people give are things which apply to most teams, and in a majority of cases can be applied to the team that person supports themselves!

    I have read many times from Robbo (who is also anti-southern by the way) and similar people how Chelsea "have no class" - a statement which typifies the bandwagon drivel that gets spouted - well, the sentence near the end of this blog, "I don't wish him well", it's one of the most distasteful, classless sentences I have read on this website to date.

    Robbo, you are the type of person who is the reason why England will struggle to be truly successful as a footballing (or any other sport for that matter) nation. Your jealous, envious dislike towards those who are rich and/or successful is the downfall of our culture. Hopefully one day soon, the BBC will see sense and stop you from writing these blogs, cos I tell you what, in complete honesty, given the opportunity, I could write better stuff.

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  • 134. At 10:40am on 02 Jun 2009, Gigawatts wrote:

    #128

    Comparing Chelsea with Man City, please... Chelsea qualified for the CL, won cups, had very good players, what exactly did Man City do that makes them the same? Their performance this season is what happens to average teams when a rich owner takes over...

    Chelsea already had Terry and Lampard for one thing, and a massive will to succeed. People are so blind it's amazing.

    Looking forward to next years anti QPR Robbo blog already. That Championship aint as level a playing field as you might think.

    Oh what, chucking money at QPR hasn't worked?? Oh my, must be just Chelsea where its worked in world football, I wonder why...

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  • 135. At 10:42am on 02 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    "SimpleTruth09.... NO WAY!

    Are you for real, or is that just a massive wind up???

    For you to accuse a comedy charachter (sorry to ruin the illusion, but Robbos photo is a bit of a give-away) of being a racist for what are toungue in cheek, and very mild comments is downright shameful... "

    Absolutely for real - not a windup

    Just because he hides behind "comedy" changes nothing

    There is nothing shameful in my comments, the shame is your for trying to defend him just because you find humour in some of the things he writes.

    You scan back through his past blogs looking for comments about American's, Italians or French and you tell me those comments are anything but.

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  • 136. At 10:46am on 02 Jun 2009, Welshpoolfan wrote:

    Not as good as your usual efforts i feel Robbo. However that may just be me, on a downer now that the football season is over.

    However, quality or not, I disagree with everyone who criticises you for mocking various teams. It's usually well written and funny, no matter which teams you write about.

    As far as the cup final goes, I was supporting Everton who lost deservedly on the day. Was it unexpected? no. Was it disappointing? Yes.
    However to claim it is only in recent years that the League is heavily unbalanced is unreasonable. In recent years United have dominated with some breakthroughs by Arsenal and Chelsea. Before that it was Liverpool, and to a lesser extent Everton. This covers the last 30 years or so of football. Yes other teams occasionally did have surprise seasons and sometimes there were more open title races but it was all the same.

    JTArdAsNails, I think you seem to be missing the point slightly with regards to the CL semi-final. It may have been unfair to a certain extent but the behaviour of the players was out of order. You may come back and claim that I would have reacted in the same way if it was my team and your right, I would have, because I am a mere fan. One of millions. I am not on national television as a hero and role model to adults and children everywhere. The players were unprofessional and deserve to be punished.

    Also i see you have this chip on your shoulder about the Champion's League in general. There is no conspiracy. Chelsea have failed because they haven't been good enough on the occasions. Garcia's goal did not cross the line, but as someone else pointed out, there was a definite foul in the build up which would have reduced Chelsea to 10 men. Losing on penalties is tough, but Chelsea had just as many penalties and didn't score them. The biggest reason that Chelsea have failed is because they haven't managed to put the ball in the net more times than the opponent. They missed lots of chances against Liverpool in those respective semis and Drogba missed a couple of gilt-edged chances against Barcelona.

    Sorry about the long post, I have a lot of free time:)

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  • 137. At 10:56am on 02 Jun 2009, Chris A wrote:

    Apologies, at the start I meant #124, the post by SimpleTruth09.

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  • 138. At 10:59am on 02 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    My Days!

    Accusing a fictional characher of being a memeber of sepratist, racist and xenophobic groups... just because he has had a swing at your football club... Nah man, i'm pretty sure thats shamefull...

    I have read his blog for a very long time, and it is only now that Chelsea fans have an opinion of Robbo and everything else from the sounds of it... Fairplay, defend your club. But if any of you blues can honestly say you were not cussing Man U's grip on the game pre abramovich, you are lying... I will bet after a 4-0 hammering by utd in the final in 94' you had very strong opinions... (if you were chelsea fans then?)

    As for the other comment above, robbo being "anti-southern"... Then why has this blog ben riddled with koppites moaning at him being anti-scouse, or man u fans accusing him of being an ABU???

    When you win you get hatred from jealousy (so i am told being an aldershot fan i am yet to experience this). But attacking the man for criticing and having an opinion is a little but pathetic... Enjoy your teams splender and let the results be your defense.

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  • 139. At 11:08am on 02 Jun 2009, Gigawatts wrote:

    The results are our defence, because it's simply not as easy as throwing money at a club to achieve success. It just helps a lot.

    The English backbone at Chelsea, Terry, Lamps, Ashley and Joe Cole, they deserve a lot more respect, and all because of their performances on the pitch over the years. I struggle to understand the hate.

    No I didn't resent Manchester United in 94, I resented Chelsea for playing so badly, but we qualified for Europe, and it was a step forward after some dark years.

    I may be guilty of getting a little bored of Liverpool in the eighties but that's another story.

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  • 140. At 11:10am on 02 Jun 2009, Chippelsea wrote:

    Poor article. I challenge anyone to identify a league that isn't focused on a couple of teams, with the odd one bubbling up every now and then. This debate is boring and any attempt to fix it will just damage the league. There is still plenty of support through each league, so the shape of the premiership is not damaging. The article just smacks of sour grapes.

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  • 141. At 11:12am on 02 Jun 2009, Chippelsea wrote:

    Actually, shouldn't someone who supports a premiership club be writing articles like this? Surely, Robbo should just comment on the championship from now until Boro get promotion?

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  • 142. At 11:12am on 02 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    "Accusing a fictional characher of being a memeber of sepratist, racist and xenophobic groups... just because he has had a swing at your football club... Nah man, i'm pretty sure thats shamefull... "

    Fictional? He is not fictional - he is a real person make real enthocentric comments. Hiding behind an alias does not make you fictional.

    What makes you think he has ever commented on "my" club?

    Trying nonsense like that to support his behaviour is shameful, not the one calling attention to it. Its always the same with this sort of thing.

    Robo's post are anti-southern - that is a fact. Just because he has offended people from Liverpool, Man UTD, the USA, Italy and France only supports what I am saying.

    Pathetic is defending a racist, xenophobe and trying to play it off as anger because he made a comment about some specific team. No where in my post do I mention one specific team as the only problem with his blogs. Chelsea did come up because that was his team of choice in this blog - my comments clearly state all his blogs.

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  • 143. At 11:15am on 02 Jun 2009, RedDevil4Life wrote:

    SimpleTruth09 - you sound like you used to be an inside man within the FA or UEFA.

    You are simply going on what the media has said in the past and let's face it, that can be far from accurate and truthful. Yes i am not ignorant to the fact that other big European teams have illegitimately got to where they are today.

    United had money before the Glazers and have been arguably the most well supported club team in the world for a long, long time and that is due to good business. As i said before the Glazer's have not changed anything really, we paid £30m for Rio Ferdinand and £29m for Veron way before the Glazers brought the club, so your argument there does not stand!

    Chelsea got brought out and in one summer alone £110m+ was spent on a new team let alone one or two players! My argument was, United have built their team up over a period of time buying one or two players a year, of course there have been occasions where they have brought more than that, but not on the level of Chelsea in the past 5 years.

    Chelsea were not that attractive a proposition, why not Arsenal or Tottenham? Chelsea were a fairly good side before Abramovich arrived, nothing spectacular.

    If anyone is bitter it's you over the fact that Chelsea brought success and United haven't....and you can't say that the odd £30m player is buying success, not when United had so much success using players coming through the youth system!

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  • 144. At 11:19am on 02 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Gigawatts, if it true that you were respectful of man u's dominance pre abramovich... fair play to you. You can concede though that you would be a minority? I have a lot of celsea fans in my family, and they were all pretty vocal about man u (as they are today!)...

    I have a lot of time for the chels, their reserves played at the rec (atfc) for a few years so saw them fairly regularly. And i think that they deserve more respect from the media.

    But ultimately some things are going to happen. The big 4 will continue to dominate through financial prowess, the media will give chelsea a hard time and give the plaudits to man u, to your frustration. And fans of teams 5-92 in the football leagues, will hate the top 4.

    Oh and if memory serves, you did the league double over man u in 94'... perhaps you weren't all long faced after all...

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  • 145. At 11:21am on 02 Jun 2009, Oliver Jones wrote:

    # 74: Fantastic ideas suggested there. Personally, restrict it to 2 foreigners for each club, and maximum wage 50k a week. If players are currently over that, let them run out their contracts and then resign them for cheap wages. I think Roma have a project where noone gets paid over £1.1 Million a year (can't remember exact figure, but it's something like that) except for Totti, which is understandable, as he's a club legend.

    Robbo, I know this is asking a bit much (that was a plea, even though it looks as though it was sounding sarcastic!), but could you do an article about how the fact that this weekend saw the retirement of 3 of the greatest footballers of the modern era in Figo, Nedved and Maldini? Funny how none of them came to England!

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  • 146. At 11:25am on 02 Jun 2009, wartek wrote:

    As an Everton fan I would welcome more money for Moyes to play with knowing he would use it with more wisdom than most. He is level headed enough not to bankrupt the club paying over inflated wages to over inflated ego's. But what I value more than anything is the level headedness of (Sir) Bill Kenwright. He allows his manager to manage and trust his judgements not like Guippetto of Stamford Bridge who appoints puppets he can manipulate. Next season Guippetto will interfere more than ever and I for one am not jealous of Chelsea because I know that regardless of what Millonarios may say, Everton are a great club and history shows us that. I have seen more succes from Everton in the forty years I have supported them than Chelsea have ever had.

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  • 147. At 11:31am on 02 Jun 2009, lordSUPERFRED wrote:

    not one of the better blogs Robbo , a few inacuracies , Everton never knocked out West ham , Boro did are u sure you are a fan ?
    As for the Chelsea whingers posting on here I can assure you Frank Lampard WAS a first team regular ,what made Hammers mad is that he was never dropped and never even Substituted , when his uncle and dad got the push he was off like a rat up a drainpipe so dont try and rewrite history or believe the lies of the player

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  • 148. At 11:32am on 02 Jun 2009, tunybgur wrote:

    Well here's the problem, if you want an English team to compete at the top level in Europe, they'll need plenty of readies to get the right players.
    Those same teams will compete in the Prem, so they're gonna be head and shoulders above the mid/lower table teams who get their players from Hackney marshes.
    If you want a more level playing field then forget England in Europe, we'll be just like Norway or Austria or Greece or Turkey etc etc, do you follow me?
    The only way we'll get away from this scenario is if there is a restriction on the number Foreign players in each team.
    As for your favourite whipping boys Chelsea, with Liverpool, they gave us two of the most memorable matches in the Champions League ever, 12 goals in 2 legs, and with a core of English players, but forget all that and let's just remember the bad bits, that's what you hacks do best...

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  • 149. At 11:32am on 02 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    SimpleTruth....

    I fail to see any racism in Robbos blogs... please feel free to find an example and post it as proof of actual racism and especially anti southern??? this is a mind blower!

    Not quite Roy Chubby brown is he? The guys that sprayed "vote BNP" in massive leters outside MY flat... they are racist!

    Just because you are overly sensitive and take offence to what can only be a very minor comment (as to be fair the bbc aren't the institutionalised racists many would have you believe) it does not give you the right to besmirch, arguabbly the finest fictional blogger the bbc have (next to phil mcnulty, now i know that guy aint real!)

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  • 150. At 11:36am on 02 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    What if I was on the inside of The FA or UEFA? What if I wasn't? Either way my post stand on their own merit.

    I'm not simply going on anything the media has said, that is a poor assumption on your part. I have read the proposals that were put forward and authored by representives form Liverpool and Man UTD football clubs. Those documents were signed and dated and were posted for the entire world to see, on the internet, on the G14's old website.

    I made no comment about any teams history (excluding the comment about Barca's, Real Madrids and Juve's money. That could be untrue but seriously? They don't even deny it) aside from their actions involving the creation of the new top league formats that divide TV money in the 90/10 format and enforces an artifical means of domination.

    "As i said before the Glazer's have not changed anything really, we paid 30m for Rio Ferdinand and 29m for Veron way before the Glazers brought the club, so your argument there does not stand!"

    And exactly what argument would that be exactly? When I said Chelsea and Man UTD both built a team and then added players with money aftewards? You some how think claiming Man UTD bought a few players after Glazer came refutes that? Do you actually think about this stuff before you write it? I don't care how Man UTD or Chelsea got their players or what they spent but there is absolutely no doubt they did it the same way. Did Chelsea buy more players one season than Man UTD? Yes they did. So? Newcastle, Boro, Darlington, ect, ect will buy basically a whole core of their team next year also. So what? It has nothing to do with my comments which center on one thing.

    Robo's poor blog.

    I don't care about whatever team it is you want to support, you and that team can do whatever you want. I will not be drawn into some pointless debate about Man UTD v Chelsea or any other two teams you want to pick.

    The top teams are all the same; built some success, got money from somewhere, invested and improved until they were top. There really is no exception to that formula and no amount of blind devotion can change that. Man UTD are exactly the same as Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Barca, ect you are just ignoring the facts and trying to use insults to enforce your opinion over others. All of them bought plus built their own success, its part of being a professional sports organisation, I don't even understand what your problem with that is and I certainly don't understand how you honestly believe Man UTD are any different.

    Nor do I care


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  • 151. At 11:42am on 02 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    ST09...

    "you are just ignoring the facts and trying to use insults to enforce your opinion over others."

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  • 152. At 11:43am on 02 Jun 2009, ElBuho wrote:

    Welcome to the Championship Robbo, I think you'll enjoy it.

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  • 153. At 11:44am on 02 Jun 2009, Millonarios wrote:

    RE: RedDevil4life
    How can you say United have not bought success. Everyone in football has....except for the lads in the park accross the road using bags as goals. In the 90s ManU bought the best players from their biggest rivals: Cantona, Cole, Keane, etc. Even breaking British transfer records. And this was before the famous kids came along. Man U gained a big competitive advantage from the Plc money. And you know what I admire them, because they used the opportunities out there correctly. People forget football clubs are 'organisations'.

    PS this is not anti Man U comment at all. I am just speculating. But, this whole thing about Man U being the best supported club in the world. Does no one think that this may actually have been a very good Marketing plot. No one is able to quantify such a thing. Well done to them for comming up with it first, its a business world out there.

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  • 154. At 11:50am on 02 Jun 2009, ArgieWizard wrote:

    The most enjoyable blog of Robbo's I've ever read! Finally, a blog that doesn't sound like a loosely-tied together collection of cliched one liners stolen from half-cut pub goers.

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  • 155. At 11:57am on 02 Jun 2009, bredtobered-forum troll wrote:

    simple truth.

    i'm italian by birth and i do not feel victimised by the robbo 'character'.i feel like your posts are very extremist and out of everybody who has commented on this article you are the one making the sweeping 'racist' comments by suggesting that the whole of england is of the same thinking when it comes to racism.
    just how many italian, american and other foreign people do you know to speak on their (our) behalf?

    do you even follow football or are you one of these people who find articles they can moan about just for the sake of getting the pent up emotion that has built up, probably through lack of person to person socialising, over the years?

    if not i'm sorry but that is the picture you paint.

    mamma mia!!

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  • 156. At 12:08pm on 02 Jun 2009, Xavierneville wrote:

    I can accpet team have more money than others even to a gross extent that the league is a closed shop.

    What I can't accpet is team who have no class in victory, parity or defeat. I'm afraid Chleasea's fans your lack of class in all three shines through, never satisfied as it was always someone elses fault that this happend or that. If I believe all the whinging you lot punted out you would have won everthing going for the last 10 years.....

    Last Manager who had any diginity was Tinkerman and you treated him appallingly

    Even Man Utd who stand for most things maverick and anti establishment in football have class.

    Personally although I don't begrudge the cash you have, you never earnt it so this is why you act so petuantly as a club. If you've built it up over time like most clubs then maybe just maybe someone might like you

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  • 157. At 12:17pm on 02 Jun 2009, Millonarios wrote:

    Robbo does make some comments that insult people and I guess gets away with it because hides behind a cartoon character. Tim Vickery or Phil McNulty would have been kicked out of the BBC if they wrote the way he does. I can understand why it may seem entertaining to have a blog like this, freedom of speech and all.

    We all love reading about football, and often against our wishes end up reading this blog. Maybe the BBC is letting us down, because we want to read a current affairs article that is not as serious/technical as Tim or Phil's but yet not insulting like Robbos.

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  • 158. At 12:18pm on 02 Jun 2009, iplusplus wrote:

    I must admit that I was more than dissapointed with the FA Cup final result. As soon as that 1st minute Saha goal went in I knew that Chelski would overturn the deficit. It was yet again a case of over-paid mercenaries whose desire to play football rests solely on the mighty pound prevail over a team which contains not only internationals like every other club but a collection of local lads too. I don't understand the drive of someone who supports teams like Chelski (at least those who have only done so over recent years) as the meaning of supporting a local team has now all but become lost. Choosing a team to support seems now a case of pulling a name out of a hat containg those of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool or Manchester United (as I say, I know there are genuine fans out there who have supported their respective clubs through thick and thin, it's those who are only there for the glory/prawn sandwiches and who have no idea other than that why they support the club that I don't understand).

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  • 159. At 12:23pm on 02 Jun 2009, bredtobered-forum troll wrote:


    MILLIONARIOS WROTE

    We all love reading about football, and often against our wishes end up reading this blog.

    how do you read it against your wishes? there is a world of articles out there on the web!
    try www.newsnow.co.uk. millions of 'read if you want to' articles.

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  • 160. At 12:37pm on 02 Jun 2009, Millonarios wrote:

    Mecholomaniac - Mercenaries...I bet you didnt know the word before you read it in an anti chelsea article. Do you actually know the meaning of the word. Look at me i can also use the 'prawn sandwich' comment haha, i bet you're so proud of yourself now. I'm surprised you havent complained how Madrid only bought Becks for the marketing opportunities.

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  • 161. At 12:44pm on 02 Jun 2009, IberianBlue wrote:

    As an Everton fan, I'm sure this could come across as a negative rant in the unforgiving light of defeat...

    It's not Chelsea, their money or their fans that I intrinsically now dislike - it's Premier League football.

    I've been an Everton fan for 20 years. I've been a top level football fan for 20 years. I fear this has been my last. No interest in a 2/3-horse race where the domestic title is concerned; no interest in watching three other 4-horse races where Europe and the domestic cups are concerned. No interest in watching the same 4 teams 95% of the time.

    Not bitter grapes, just done with the farcical mockery that has been made of the EPL. You'll find me in the lower leagues next season.

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  • 162. At 12:49pm on 02 Jun 2009, bredtobered-forum troll wrote:

    iberian blue,

    they were my thoughts a few years ago and lucky me, my team decided to treat me with just that! league 1 football. its been alot more interesting having the chance to win something and when you beat a club from the prem it feels like a cup final.
    I must say though i'm glad we're on the way back up, slowly but surely.

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  • 163. At 12:49pm on 02 Jun 2009, JimSheff wrote:

    Tell you what. Since the point of these blogs is to get feedback and get people chatting you have to say Robbos done a good job.
    Talk about chucking the bait in to see what bites.

    My favourites are people blogging saying they don't care whats been said !!

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  • 164. At 12:53pm on 02 Jun 2009, magicblueboyefc wrote:

    Love the Blog, it was so true you can't compare relgation with losing a final I would say that staying up last day of the season is similar to winning the final though. I sat in the corporates at wembley and the Chelsea fans honestly did not seemed bothered whether or not they won. We seemed to have a better time losing than they did winning.

    As to Spurs definitely finishing fifth again i have three questions WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? They come out with this rubbish every season

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  • 165. At 12:58pm on 02 Jun 2009, Bigdog wrote:

    Great blog Robbo! Ok, I'm a Chelsea supporter of 3 seasons (although had another spell back in the early 70s as a kid myself) - my 9 year old son got me into it and now enjoying life as season ticket holders (barring Champions League - can't buy that one :-) so there is perhaps some natural justice).

    Classic situation where kids starting out choose one of the most successful clubs around at the time (if not given direction from someone else) and then drag their parents along until they get hooked as well. I agree with pretty much everything you said but, being on the blue side of the fence, of course I don't want it to stop! (To be honest I would have supported Everton as well if they hadn't been playing my club).

    However, to balance things out a bit, I do keep an eye on Stockport County and Macclesfield Town (born nearby) and especially my son's Under 10s side - Rotherfield Juniors in East Sussex. Now, what I'd really like is for my son to progress to Chelsea in time for the World Cup in England ...... A Dad can dream can't he?

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  • 166. At 1:02pm on 02 Jun 2009, IberianBlue wrote:

    bredtobered

    I still go to a fair bit of Champs/Div 1 football when I'm able and the atmosphere is much more enjoyable. If only for the fact that - possibly bottom one or two teams aside - any team is capable of beating any other on their day. Forest is still a fine club and great day out, may I add.

    I remember when top flight footie used to be the same. Sure, certain clubs have dominated certain times but not like they do now. Plus, if you look at the 'club earnings list' published today, it's clear that the times aren't for changing.

    Difference in earnings (not including gates or merchandise) was greater between Arsenal (4th) and Everton (5th) than between Everton (5th) and West Brom (20th). How can this not just reinforce a top 4?

    Salary caps, transfer caps, limited squad size (with normal 1-11 numbers on their backs!!!), only 2 teams making CL, more prestigious UEFA, setting minimum number of local and academy players in each squad...these are the only ways football will ever save its soul.

    I fear we've probably already gone too far.

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  • 167. At 1:05pm on 02 Jun 2009, cfcboy23 wrote:

    156. At 12:08pm on 02 Jun 2009, Xavierneville wrote:
    I can accpet team have more money than others even to a gross extent that the league is a closed shop.

    What I can't accpet is team who have no class in victory, parity or defeat. I'm afraid Chleasea's fans your lack of class in all three shines through, never satisfied as it was always someone elses fault that this happend or that. If I believe all the whinging you lot punted out you would have won everthing going for the last 10 years.....

    Last Manager who had any diginity was Tinkerman and you treated him appallingly

    Even Man Utd who stand for most things maverick and anti establishment in football have class.

    Personally although I don't begrudge the cash you have, you never earnt it so this is why you act so petuantly as a club. If you've built it up over time like most clubs then maybe just maybe someone might like you
    _______________________________________________________________________
    Oh please - grow up.
    Chelsea didn't start in 1994... so we have earnt everything we have. We have a long history - except it isn't littered with silverware (yet). When did history equal silverware?
    Over 100 years Chelsea has established itself as a moderately famous English football club and after signs of pending success found a very rich benefactor. Boo sucks to you - great luck for us.
    Now Manure, Liverpool, Villa, City et al have new owners and varying degrees of wealth - tell me the difference apart from number of trophys?
    No you can't...

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  • 168. At 1:11pm on 02 Jun 2009, jwn007 wrote:

    Everton had beaten Liverpool, Villa, Boro, West Ham and Manchester United's crèche to get to the final. Chelsea had had one little squabble with Arsenal.


    This made me laugh. Classic.

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  • 169. At 1:14pm on 02 Jun 2009, the big goalies going up wrote:

    I always like reading Robbo's blog because its always just a bit of childish banter isn't it. Light-hearted.

    I love it how United won the league this year, and Boro were relegated.

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  • 170. At 1:15pm on 02 Jun 2009, T0ffee_Girl wrote:

    Coming out of the ground on Saturday it was noticable that us Toffees were happier in defeat than the Chelsea supporters were in victory. Having strolled past a sea of blank expressions, I said to one friendly but seemingly unimpressed fan "cheer up mate, you've won the FA Cup!" to which he replied "yeah - but its not what we really wanted. We need the Champions League but its a decent consolation I spose". I can understand the desire to win the CL but cannot understand at all why the fans would not be over the proverbial moon to win the FA Cup. It is still a great trophy with a great histoy. Maybe, I thought, we are better off without the weight of huge expectation on our shoulders. Perhaps it allows us a purer more grounded appreciation of the game?

    Well done to Chelsea. Broke my heart but, with Moyes, I am sure our turn will come.

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  • 171. At 1:32pm on 02 Jun 2009, MangoreUnited wrote:

    I have followed Man United for over 20 years now and, although I am thrilled with every success as it comes along I am strongly of the opinion that the 'Big Four' situation is getting tedious. I want United to win the league etc but if they didn't it wouldn't be the end of the world. Having said that I would rather it wasn't another of the big four. If Everton or Villa for instance won the league I would be chuffed for them and for the wider EPL as a whole.

    After the Champions League final defeat last week I was gutted but not nearly as much as I could have been. My wife asked me was I ok and I replied that I was fine and that Barca thoroughly deserved their win. I don't know if I'm just spoiled or if I'm just that gracious a human being!lol

    But in regard to Robbo's views I can understand completely the disheartening sight of those top four teams every season. As United fans we felt that pain through our decades in the wilderness before Sir Whiskey nose came along.....

    Good luck in the Championship Robbo, hope you enjoy the experience of being, in relative terms, not too bad a side!

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  • 172. At 1:40pm on 02 Jun 2009, digispoonerta wrote:

    I really have to take exception to the commentors who reckon that Robbo shouldn't comment on the EPL because Boro have gone down.... WHAT??

    These are the type of comments that really get up the noses of many football supporter.... So by your logic the only people who can make comment on the EPL are supporters of EPL clubs .. I know ... how about going the whole hog and banning anyone who doesn't support a EPL team from watching the games!!! Give it a rest..

    Comments from poeple who are not a EPL club supporter are just as valid as anyone else's ... its called living in a democracy ....

    From my point of view if you are a neutral of EPL clubs (i.e. from outside of the top league) surely your are more likely to be a bit more objective, because it really does not effect your team one jot!!!

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  • 173. At 1:43pm on 02 Jun 2009, hackerjack wrote:

    Stupid and lazy column.

    United's wealth comes not from any benefactor but from excellent marketing voer the past 20 years building them into the best supported club in the world. United did that through having a fantastic crop of young players come through in the 90's that saved them massive amounts and gave the fans some home-grown talent to support. Their success on and off the field may have allowed them to spend £25m on players in recent years but that was built on solid foundations.

    Liverpool's wealth comes largely from csh injected via local fans buying shirts and tickets. The two american's who head them up have no intention of making any sort of loss persoanlly on the club. Liverpool have had Fowler, Owen, Gerrard and Carragher come through the club youth system and have had some excellent 'budget' signings like Hyppia and Reina to back that up.

    Arsenal don't spend millions, in fact they probably net spend only a little more than Everton do and that money is being generated by their new stadium, both from filling it with fans and commercial uses.

    Only Chelsea have a benefactor willing to pump money into the club. The othr three members of the big four have got there through hard work and bringing quality onto the pitch.

    So it would be possible for Everton/Villa/Fulham etc. to compete at the same level if only they could actually fill their stadiums and sell shirts

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  • 174. At 1:47pm on 02 Jun 2009, digispoonerta wrote:

    People should actually also remember that Robbo's blog was bemoaning the fact that the EPL, Carling Cup and FA Cup were all won by a member of the "Top 4".

    What he was trying to get accross is .... as many football supporter who doesn't support a "top 4" team thinks .... and i maybe standing out on a bit of a limb here ... whisper it quietly .... "it's getting quite boring, watching the same teams win the trophies year after year (baring the odd FA Cup win by Portsmouth etc...)"

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  • 175. At 1:53pm on 02 Jun 2009, SwissBlue wrote:

    As a long term Chelsea fan (1965), I remember when we didn't have any money, and we were happy. Even then with the exception of Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa, there were still only a limited number of clubs that could win the League, and a slightly wider group that had a chance at the 'cups'.

    Now we have a 'top 4', and I am pleased that my club is one of them - we now however have the same situation in the other European leagues, and it is great that English clubs can compete on the European and World stage.

    Do not bring the Premier League down to the lowest common denominator - we need rich clubs like Man Utd, Liverpool,, Chelsea, Arsenal, to compete with Madrid, Inter and AC Milan, Barcelona, who it appears can print money, and in general out-bid the English clubs

    The big clubs filter money down to the others, directly wiith transfer fees - stg30mln for Berbatov, Rooney..., and indirectly by boosting TV revenues for the league. Money is not a sin

    COME ON YOU BLUES

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  • 176. At 2:01pm on 02 Jun 2009, zuluisgrate wrote:

    A good blog and one I completely agree with. The champions league qualifiers spend their prize money on players that ensure they remain in the Champions League places next season - it's a nasty cycle for anyone who doesn't live in Manchester, Liverpool or London (and isn't a "glory supporter"). That said, money isn't the only issue - lots of splashed cash does not mean success (Tottenham / Man City / Newcastle anyone?).

    I believe one of the biggest contributors to this problem is a psychological one: The Big Four have an media-driven aura about them that makes the opposition freeze when they play against them. It drives me crazy because you can clearly see when the opposition treats the big four club as though they were playing a regular team, and relax, the games tend to be very close - several games this season spring to mind where this has been the case such as Fulham v Man Utd, Arsenal v Aston Villa, Stoke v Arsenal, Man Utd v Hull. The smaller club plays as though it's a regular fixture and suddenly we have a great game on our hands.

    Sadly these occurances are rare and usually the smaller club is beaten before they even step onto the pitch. The same problem applies over the course of a season too - Aston Villa should've stayed out of sight of Arsenal but after the game where they threw their two goal lead away against Stoke you could see the doubt creep in - "are we really good enough to land a top 4 place?" - as a result their bid for one capitulated and Arsenal took advantage (incidentally you could see a positive step taken psychologically at that game - this is undoubtedly the game that saved Stoke's season at a point where they were struggling - they suddenly believed they could win against the big boys).

    Of course what I've suggested isn't the only problem, but it's a big one. Confidence matters so much in football and if a smaller club goes into a "big four" fixture in awe of their opposition, believing a draw will do and that they're probably going to get whitewashed, we will always have this problem at the end of the season. Always. I don't care how much money Man City spend in the summer - you can't buy a winning mentality.

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  • 177. At 2:03pm on 02 Jun 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    Wow, this has turned into a proper little scrap hasn't it?

    I used to go to a place in Boro called Blaises, it was very much like this at about 2.30am in the morning.

    The criticism of the house Boro fan is a little harsh. Robbo brings his column to us with the presumption that most people that read it have a sense of humour, are genuine football fans who can see through the banter and don't get too hung up on their own ego. So, if you're incapable of doing that - go off and read your local fanzine to hear what you want about your club.

    I have no big four club to cheer on. I have no grace or favour to offer to any premiership club. I do enjoy watching them though and if you think money is the only problem in football then you're living in cloud cuckoo land with Michel Platweenie.

    Chelsea should have been in the CL final, but they'd have lost to United again. Everton were never going to win anything except the sympathy vote for trying really hard like the kid at school who all the parents feel sorry for - but are glad hes not their child.

    Fact is, football moves in cycles. I recall Everton winning the league, Villa and Forest lifting the European Cup, West Ham and Southampton winning the FA Cup. It happens and it'll continue to happen. Twenty years from now Chelsea will be nothing. The Russki will get bored. Liverpool will be in the doldrums, again, and still seeking their first premiership crown. Arsenal will have won a couple, but those fond memories are all that they'll cherish from mid table obscurity in 2030. Man United, annoyingly, will be defending their league title again and their long serving manager, Mr David Moyes, will be protesting about referees and how everyone wants to beat them. Some things never change.

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  • 178. At 2:14pm on 02 Jun 2009, congenialtubbs wrote:

    Been said before and Keegan was hammered for it in the press last year

    KK fears the domination of the Premier League's top four is a threat to the top flight.

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  • 179. At 2:14pm on 02 Jun 2009, hero_26 wrote:

    I think being a Middlesborough fan has given you a massive inferiority complex. Don't forget that Middlesborough haven't exactly been inactive in the transfer market, but have just bought poorly and that's why you got relegated. It just seems like you're taking your frustrations out on the more successful teams. On a completely different note, I admire Steve Gibson for giving Southgate his backing in the Championship, a luxury that isn't afforded often enough these days.

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  • 180. At 2:19pm on 02 Jun 2009, Sir Blogalot wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 181. At 2:23pm on 02 Jun 2009, Y-I-1892man wrote:

    21. cpeskett,
    don´t mean to split hairs BUT I am Y-I-1892man NOT "1982",I like Ancelotti and even though Wilkens has good knowledge of the Italien language-something always gets lost in translation!hope it works out for him as he will be an asset not only to Chelsea but the premiership,
    bringing in Pirlo (that is if the rumour is true) however will not be! Kaka would certainly be-Becks in Blue?

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  • 182. At 2:43pm on 02 Jun 2009, palace_mark wrote:

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  • 183. At 2:46pm on 02 Jun 2009, Spitfire wrote:

    Nice one #177!

    Still, all this whining could be worse ....... if EPL allowed the clubs to own their own TV rights. That would result in MUFC earning about 15 times what WBA got in revenue as opposed to 'only' 1.7 times if the La Liga model were to be followed. So in that regard EPL is more even a playing field than many. Plus they have a couple of payments of 15Mil for clubs being relegated.

    Why doesnt Rooney play for Everton? Oh yes I remember, they chose to make some money off of him rather than hang on to him. £25.6 million is apparently a preferable choice for them than an honour he could have helped them win. There are plenty of examples of the so called victim clubs outside the top 4 cashing in on HOME GROWN ENGLISH TALENT because at the end of the day, they are in it for CASH.

    Dont like the EPL? Have fun in Championship.

    Just remember, Socialism is not the answer!

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  • 184. At 2:52pm on 02 Jun 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

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  • 185. At 3:01pm on 02 Jun 2009, Sir Blogalot wrote:

    A tongue in cheek tribute to post #19 - let's compare teams:

    Petr Cech - was a rising star when bought, but not universally known.
    Tim Howard - a gurning twitching failure at Man United, discarded after too many high-profile errors.

    Ashley Cole - fits the description. No argument there.
    Leighton Baines - recognised as being young and talented, but not that cheap at 6m, and has taken about 18 months to reach his potential. Now on England fringes.

    John Terry - been at Chelsea since he was 14, not purchased. Was a superstar, now just a much loved (by Chelsea fans) star.
    Joleon Lescott - signed from the Championship for 5m, and considered a big risk due to a serious injury that kept him out for a whole year. Good enough to supposedly interest all the bigger clubs, oh, and Man City. England fringe player.

    Alex - would have been at Chelsea earlier but for permit issues - was not a superstar when acquired.
    Joe Yobo - athletic long-serving Nigerian whose positional play and concentration levels can sometimes be dire, but still generally solid as a back up for Jagielka.

    Jose Bosingwa - considered a very good player, but not the first name people thought of for top-level right backs.
    Tony Hibbert - long regarded by fans as the weakest link way before the cup final, a local lad who started as a trainee with the club. Limited enough for Lars Jacobsen to look good by comparison.

    Jon Mikel Obi - came to prominence more for the dispute between Chelsea and Man U, rather than because he was a superstar. Transfer eventually exposed Lyn Oslo for illegal doings.
    Phil Neville - a very committed and extremely limited footballer discarded by Man Utd once he reached his late 20s. Most of his shots end up nearer to the corner flag than the goal, and knowing his limitations, he sensibly keeps his passes to 5 yards max. Model professional.

    Michael Essien - a serious rising star when signed, and courted by Man U, but not yet a superstar, and certainly too much was paid for him at the time. Took a year to settle.
    Leon Osman - an undersized but skilful local lad who joined as a trainee and who shone at England schoolboy level but has never quite made the top grade in big boys football. Loves the club though.

    Frank Lampard - could not even get into West Ham's first team on a regular basis. Chelsea was where he gained his stardom.
    Tim Cahill - Bargain buy from the Championship, turning into a goal-poaching thorn in the side for opponents. Great attitude and love for the club. Unsightly tattoo. Bargain at 1.5m.

    Nicolas Anelka - has been on the edge of superstar status for a while, but mostly considered a talented journeyman.
    Steven Pienaar - Slightly built skillful guy who has gone from Ajax via Germany to Everton for knock-down 2m. Good enough to interest Arsenal. Half the size of Drogba, yet spends more time on his feet, despite being in the top 5 most fouled EPL players last season.

    Didier Drogba - certainly a very promising talent when signed, but did not do much for 2 years, before finally showing his ability.
    Marouane Fellaini - possibly overpriced young lad from Belgium, more famous for yellow cards and afro hair than his play, initally looked like a newborn Bambi on ice. Good lad though and more to come from him.

    Florent Malouda - while highly regarded in France, not the first name on peoples' lips when asked to name the best left wingers in Europe.
    Louis Saha - called "King" by the other players, maybe because he took Darren Anderton's "Sicknote" crown due to constant injuries over many years. Signed for free and on a pay as you play deal. Nice 25 second goal though.

    Sub - Micheal Ballack - certainly a superstar, but on the wain right now. He was signed for nothing, but has a salary to offset that savings.

    Sub - Dan Gosling - signed from football powerhouse Plymouth as a promising youngster. Good engine, immortal for goal against Liverpool.
    Sub - James Vaughan - young but been with club since a trainee. Would run through a brick wall for the club. Probably explains repeated awful knee injuries which threaten his career at age 20.
    Sub - Lars Jacobsen - Danish international bought for next to nothing (or maybe even free, can't remember). Knackered his shoulder in first week with club, just now back.
    Other subs - so young they are barely past foetus stage, Jose Baxter and Jack Rodwell. Rodwell a huge talent. Hope he stays longer than Rooney.

    Injured - Yakubu - built like a tank Nigerian goalscorer. Moyes the first manager to instil a work ethic in him. Will he be the same player after the achilles injury - John Barnes never was?
    Injured - Mikel Arteta - tricky and skilful Spaniard bought for about 2m, finally delivering on his undoubted skill and promise then cut down by serious knee injury. Will he ever be the same?
    Injured - Phil Jagielka - 4m from Championship, hopeless midfielder but outstanding centre back, even getting England recognition before cruel serious knee injury. Gutted for the lad. Will he ever be the same?

    And that is just about the sum total of our squad, except for a load of trainees in nappies and a giant veteran 2nd choice keeper who has yet to play a league game for us. So don't start with the "Chelsea team not that good" nonsense!

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  • 186. At 3:07pm on 02 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    DennistheGenius... I must say sir, a long time fan of your posts, and once more the preverbial nail hit squarely on the head...

    easily one of the most heated Robbo blogs for quite some time...

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  • 187. At 3:09pm on 02 Jun 2009, GenesisRed wrote:

    As you say, I think we're all quietly or loudly sorry for Everton. Villa and Everton have shown this season that you can compete with the money though, if you buy good professionals and get your tactics right. You can build, sell occasionally, and continue to build. You can bring through players and snap up bargains like Ashley Young, Jagielka, Arteta and Cahill if you know the market.

    That said, you seem pretty bitter Robbo, and I can understand that. But there's no reason to resent those big four clubs. All of them, maybe with the exception of Arsenal who didn't take advantage of their success to the same degree, were bought because of their success and pedigree. Success lead to money, not the other way around. Some other billionaires will be sniffing around Everton, and like no one would have begrudged them lifting the Cup, would many begrudge them the money a billionaire invester would bring.

    I may be biased, but it's clubs like City to whom you should really direct your ire, because they're wealthy without it being on the back of any success.

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  • 188. At 3:14pm on 02 Jun 2009, palace_mark wrote:

    I CANNOT believe that i was moderated!!!
    Was it the jeremy kyle comment?
    Was it the John Terry should not be captain of england because of what occurred in the spurs game in 2006?

    Come on Moderator, all is fair in love and blogging!
    Plus, i am only going on the facts, not making things up like many others do on here!
    I know that it is naughty to berate footie fans, and go against the informed suits of the FA, but isnt what this is supposed to be about?
    Freedom to express our opinions without being overly offensive and politically correct.
    Please replace my post, as i am sure that many others would agree with it, PLUS, it took me bleedin ages to write!!

    thanks

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  • 189. At 3:28pm on 02 Jun 2009, kevthered83 wrote:

    Palace Mark, you dared to criticise John Terry, that is why you were moderated.

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  • 190. At 3:30pm on 02 Jun 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Errmmm, just a quick dip in to make sure everyone's gone to sleep for the summer and holy moly Robbo's being accused of being a dirty racist. Evidence would help. Anti-southerner? Should hear me purring about Arsenal despite the fact that they're all foreign in't they? (That last bit was tongue in cheek, ok?)
    I'm just making the point that football trophies keep getting won by the same clubs and it's tedious. Fact is Everton v Chelsea was 5th v 3rd and the difference in quality was pretty huge post-Saha's quality strike. True, I'm not at me most chipper following our relegation but there's nothing wrong with bemoaning the growing dominance of the Big 3 and hoping they somehow fall on their collective backsides next season. AS I say fans of Clubs 5-92 will agree wholeheartedly.

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  • 191. At 3:38pm on 02 Jun 2009, bredtobered-forum troll wrote:

    YES WE DO ROBBO.

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  • 192. At 3:38pm on 02 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Sorry Robbo, though i earlier defended you as not being a racist and judging people on thier skin colour... but re-reading your comments about phil brown, i was disgusted! Colour has nothing to do with it, he and the other umpa-lumpas will no doubt be logging their complaints with the BBC!

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  • 193. At 3:39pm on 02 Jun 2009, palace_mark wrote:

    Cheers Kev
    I did wonder what happened there?
    I now know NEVER to stand up and say my honest opinion about someone in here as i will be mod'd!!

    # 124 & 157, stand up and take a bow the pair of you. Neither of you have far too much time on your hands, and i am sure that everyone feel better informed after reading your sensible, non ridiculous posts.

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  • 194. At 3:48pm on 02 Jun 2009, gazzalw wrote:

    You can't BUY the Premiership? Hmmm Blackburn failed didn't they with Sutton, Shearer et al, Chelski just took it to a new level. Man Utd win because of their successful youth policy? Giggs, Scholes, the Nevilles, Beckham, Wes Brown. Been around a bit now haven't they. Fletcher and Welbeck are their current crop. Hardly world beaters. But in the meantime they've also bought May (from Blackburn), Cantona, Rooney, Berbatov, Van Nistelroy, Pallister, Wallace (the wrong one of course and they had a choice of 3), Webb, Phelan, Forlan, Veron, Stam, Keane, Ince, Cole, Yorke, Sherringham and so on so they've done it ALL through their youth policy my a***.

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  • 195. At 3:53pm on 02 Jun 2009, gazzalw wrote:

    Carrick, Hargreaves....

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  • 196. At 4:01pm on 02 Jun 2009, gazzalw wrote:

    Djemba Djemba....

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  • 197. At 4:01pm on 02 Jun 2009, MarkG wrote:

    I've supported Chelsea since 1967. That means I can remember hooliganism, the second division, being overjoyed when we sneaked a cup win against Liverpool in the late 70s; actually celebrating winning the Full Members Cup because there was nothing else we could win; and going down 4-0 to Man U in our first Cup Final for donkey's years.

    Trust me: things can and do change. The hold of the top four will be broken - whether through another club getting an injection of money; or the wrong manager coming in; or a season of injuries; or bad squad management; or even some seriously heroic play by one of the league's underdogs. My hunch is that in two years' time we'll be talking about a top six or seven - and that really won't be much different from how it was two decades ago.

    Stop being so grumpy and negative.

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  • 198. At 4:01pm on 02 Jun 2009, Millonarios wrote:

    *takes a bow*

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  • 199. At 4:04pm on 02 Jun 2009, gazzalw wrote:

    and Chelski bought Veron (I've heard that name before?), Crespo, Kezman, Sheva, Duff, Parker, Wright-Phillips, Bridge, Johnson, Geremi, Gallas...


    So the point is you can spend the money but you can't guarantee they'll all fit in. Buiy you can spend the money and sooner enough you'll have a team that works.

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  • 200. At 4:05pm on 02 Jun 2009, gazzalw wrote:

    Mutu....

    ;-)

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  • 201. At 4:06pm on 02 Jun 2009, dyrewolfe wrote:

    Cheer up Robbo - at least it took until post #90 for someone to mention the licence fee! ;-)

    While I think the majority of people would generally agree with your sentiments about money and football, I think the Cup Final is a bad example.

    If Scolari had still been in charge, I reckon Everton would have won the Cup. Actually, Chelsea probably wouldn't even have reached the final.

    Assuming Man City don't miraculoulsy win the league or qualify for the Champions League next season, I think its still safe to say money isn't QUITE everything...although it undeniably helps a hell of a lot.

    I think a lot of posters here are taking umbrage because your blog was a little more biting than usual, your put-downs not veiled with the amusing metaphors you're usually so good at.

    Don't worry thought, I doubt your loyal fanbase (the "5-to-92ers") are too bothered.

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  • 202. At 4:14pm on 02 Jun 2009, Elderman1967 wrote:

    Robbo as a toffee I have to admit that this blog has been one of the most insightful and inspired pieces of writing I have seen in a while. No bias just a desire to see the return of football. I think the top 4 clubs should be given the option to leave and let the rest of us get on with it!
    I am so proud of Moyes and what he has done for Everton Football Club over the last 8 years. The boys are a team and you can see them stand by one another. If they were an army unit I would want them with me, no prima donnas, no show boaters and no man left behind!
    I will always love Everton and for the nation to be supporting us on that day made my heart swell. Thank you again for this article, only hope something can be done, but to be honest I have no idea as to what it is as I'm just a poor young lad from Kirkdale.

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  • 203. At 4:14pm on 02 Jun 2009, BradfieldCFC wrote:

    I normally like Robbo and his blogs, but even I wasn't a Chelsea fan, I'd still say this is little but discriminative rubbish. Agreed most people want underdogs to win, but we played better football and deserved to win, it's really that simple. Some teams get lucky with big investors, but is that the team or the supporters fault? Are QPR, Man City, Real Madrid etc less supportive or less deserving because something out of there happened which landed them a bunch of money?

    Who knows, maybe someone billionaire will buy Everton soon and then we'll see if any of their fans are complaining. To just take a dislike to teams because they have money is pathetic.

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  • 204. At 4:14pm on 02 Jun 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    ...likewise, RedBlue92.
    you're spotting of Robbo's racist Phil Brown dig was quite the treat.

    although SimpleTruth(Farce) and the like probably think they've shown you the light!

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  • 205. At 4:15pm on 02 Jun 2009, gazzalw wrote:

    Nicky Butt, Evans and O'Shea.

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  • 206. At 4:37pm on 02 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    gazzalw... A good point well made (again and again)

    Though not a complete waste of time as if you put all your posts together you get a remix of the 94' utd classic... "Come On You Reds"

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  • 207. At 4:44pm on 02 Jun 2009, robdem wrote:

    cheer up.
    there's always a select band of teams that are going to win the league. that's how football works.
    and one day, it will change, so forgive us for enjoying it while it lasts.

    just enjoy the shocks that do come by, because there have been plenty this season:
    hull winning at arsenal, spurs and newcastle et al.
    burnley beating arsenal and chelsea and so very very nearly spurs.
    derby taking man united all the way in the carling cup semi final.
    southend taking chelsea to a replay and leading in that.
    newcastle getting relegated with stoke flying in 12th.
    boro, winless for so long, beating the then outstanding liverpool 2-0.

    I could go on, but I think my point has been proven.
    take note: all of the big four sides were involved in these shocks.
    the big four are not infallible.

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  • 208. At 4:49pm on 02 Jun 2009, gazzalw wrote:

    Redbluearmy92 I remember the joke about Ferguson's first seasons in charge about the menu at their restaurant being so cheap but the puddings cost 13m, that was Wallace, Webb, Phelan, Pallister, Leighton etc when they were nearly relegated.

    Birtles, Davenport....

    ;-)

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  • 209. At 4:58pm on 02 Jun 2009, dyrewolfe wrote:

    @SimpleTruth09:

    You really DO need to grow up, get a life, get counselling or SOMETHING if you think Robbo's blogs are racist.

    Try going to a BNP rally sometime - then you'll know what true racism is.

    Do you ever watch stand-up comedians or comedy sketch shows?

    Examples:

    Goodness Gracious Me: Indians making fun of Indians and whites.

    Jo Brand: large white "feminist" lady making fun of both sexes, overweight or otherwise.

    Omid Djalili: Iranian making fun of Arabs and whites.

    Lenny Henry: Jamaican (I think) making fun of Afro-Caribbeans and whites.

    Joan Rivers: Elderly US comedienne who makes jokes about being old and female.

    Mock the Week: panel comedy show with regular Scottish and Irish comedians who readily make fun of their own nationalities as well as the English.

    Even Stephen Fry makes light of his sexuality when teased about it (for example in QI)

    People like you, who make a huge fuss about nothing, seemingly because you were born without a sense of humour or perspective, annoy me immensely.

    I wouldn't normally respond to the kind of drivel you post, but I'm hoping that you actually watch some of the people / shows I've mentioned and get a grasp on the difference between good-natured humour and genuine "ethnocentrism".

    Rant over.

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  • 210. At 5:24pm on 02 Jun 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Ethnocentrism? Is that the new pilates?

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  • 211. At 5:38pm on 02 Jun 2009, Bergysdeftflicks wrote:

    Great blog Robbo. The best youve done fella!

    They used to say cash was the road to ruination of football as far back as the 1960s when Utd had it all and splashed it like demento's on donkeys like Ted McDougall et al. It was just a little fear then though and a bit of envy of Utd's then clout. Nowadays its seriously sinister and its historically shady cash that puts a no mark, mirthless and non pedigree outfit like Chelsea in the driving seat. Its so bad, that some of us now see Utd as the last bastion for sanity in sport and actually no longer mind when they win!!

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  • 212. At 5:38pm on 02 Jun 2009, Straeh wrote:

    The irony is that Everton were one of the original clubs to architect the creation of The premier League. An effort by the THEN biggest 5 clubs in the land to polarize the TV money and revenue towards their own bank accounts.

    We now have people bemoaing Everton as "the Underdog" when they were the archiects of what has become money football.

    All that has happened is that Chelsea eventually exploited the goodwill public appeal they had built over the years, mainly as a good side with more of a Cup Pedigree that season long league winning ability.

    The facts are that Chelsea have marketed their position well over the last 17 years, better than that of Evertons & Liverpool & Spurs - the 3 clubs from that original Big 5 who have not been able to realize as much success as they had hoped from the "baldrick" like cunning plan.

    People like to point at Chelsea as if they are the pantomime villan in this piece whin in fact all they have dones is rebuild themselves from Bankruptcy in the 70's to establish themselves as a top 6 side and then market themselves succesfully to have a multi billionaire invest to take them to the next level.

    It would be more intriguing if people stopped pointing at the result (todays big 4) but looked at the cause - The Big 5 Premier league architects and the likes of ex Saatchi & Saatchi CEO and Football Business guru, Alex Fynn advising teams like Spurs on their economic TV rights etc - thats where the rot set in - Chelsea anaylzed the situation and made the most of the Brave New World that others had built and ultimately did it better.

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  • 213. At 5:38pm on 02 Jun 2009, wmcdonald4 wrote:

    I am a Chelsea fan and I have to say that this constant moaning about the haves and have nots is getting old. I remember the good old days when we almost went into tier 3, and were losing to Rotheram 6-0. My real point is that the likes of Newcastle and Boro getting relagted is stunning. With the money that these two teams have comapared to Hull, Stoke etc, they should have no problems competing in the EPL. If I were a fan of either of these two clubs I would be looking at the reasons why we were releagted. To me Boro have shown way too much faith in a manager that was clearly out of his depth, and Newcastle were way to quick to pull the trigger on big Sam.

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  • 214. At 5:43pm on 02 Jun 2009, dyrewolfe wrote:

    @robdem:

    Actually, I don't think your point is that well proven. Robbo's point was that, by and large, we all know where all the silverware will end up next season, the season after and probably the season after that...

    Yes, fans who don't support the Big 4 can look forward to the odd league or cup upset, but ultimately their trophy cabinets continue to gather dust.

    The sheer predictability does make you think "So what? Big deal!" when you read about Man Utd winning the league for the umpteenth time.

    Success for the other 16 teams in the league varies from getting into the UEFA Cup / Europa League or avoiding relegation.

    Do you see now why many fans, outside the top 4, simply don't care about the title race or CL and even begin to support the European opposition.

    Getting back to your argument:

    Hull, for starters, may have pulled off some impressive results to begin with, but look at how they fell apart during the second half of the season. Most teams have mixed fortunes over a season, but it seems Hull had all their good luck / form at the start, followed by all the bad luck / poor form.

    As for Derby and Southend, I doubt many people would have bet against the eventual outcome in either of those ties. The smaller teams put up a fight, granted, but the end results were rarely, if ever, in doubt.

    Newcastle's relegation was on the cards for nearly as long as Boro's (which IMO was a distinct possibility around February-March). Not that big a surprise.

    Granted Burnley have been genuinely impressive and fully deserve their promotion.

    Boro's win against Liverpool was something of a shock, albeit a pleasant one, but ultimately proved to be a blip in a largely mediocre season. The joy from that was very short-lived, let me tell you.

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  • 215. At 5:54pm on 02 Jun 2009, Blue All Star wrote:

    Nice blog again Robbo.

    I'm a Chelsea fan since '92, and of course I'm happy we won the FA Cup. However, I have sincerely enjoyed Chelsea a lot more passionate when we were fighting for 5th spot, or 7th maybe... when we lost 5-2 to Sunderland. I didn't like that one bit, but I sure loved the whole experience of being a fan and being able to lose. Right now it's become too much of a business, there's no real passion anymore (of course the players really want to win at the highest level). All this commerce and the ease of shoving managers aside and buying players who you really don't need (Deco for instance, or Shevchenko) make makes winning more and more superficial. It takes the fun out of it, because there's so much at stake businesslike, that there's less and less at stake for the fans. One good thing happened this season; Guus came and gave Chelsea a human face for a while... right now we're going back to business as usual and that's where the fun ends. Good thing I'm supporting Sparta Rotterdam over here; now that's fun! ;)

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  • 216. At 6:14pm on 02 Jun 2009, nigeyy wrote:

    Rather unsurprizingly, you don't see too many negative comments from Man U/Liverpool/Chelsea/Arsenal fans about money. And of course, the reason is that these clubs have it! I can't begrudge a club using money if they can -after all, why not? Being honest, I would!

    Cases in point... what about Juninho? Ravanelli? Were they cheap? And which club signed the first million pound player? (hint for the young ones here, it wasn't any of the CLAMs!) Let's face it -most of the posters here wouldn't be bemoaning money in the game if their team was the one with the money. I'm sure the supporters of Rochdale, Hereford, Wycombe, etc who read this blog aren't shedding too many tears of sympathy....

    Does it make it right? Well, I'm not sure it is wrong, but it certainly does contribute to a boring top 4 premier league (fyi: was much more interested in the Burnley vs Sheff Utd game than any of the top premier games). Pretty much for the last ~30 years it's been CLAM with the rare showings of Aston Villa, Everton, Leeds and Blackburn.

    So what can be done to liven up the league? Can there be something like a salary cap to even the playing field? The problem with this approach is that someone else (La Liga, SerieA, Bundesliga) will always have more money than the cap, and then will tempt those high profile players over to them.... And some people have short memories -remember back before the 1990's when English football was criticized as being too insular? Not enough quality players to help English players blossom? Funny how it can go full circle.

    However, I do think the time has come to try something, even a salary cap or some permutation of it. It might even be worth looking abroad to see what works and what doesn't -and take the best bits. A good place to start might be the NFL in the USA where there is an attempt at parity and maintaining competitiveness.

    Of course, good luck with getting any of the top clubs to agree to anything like that! However, I hope the top clubs remember the league doesn't and shouldn't consist of just 4 or so clubs. I do believe a long term domination of the league and competitions by just 4 clubs isn't a healthy or good thing in the long term.

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  • 217. At 6:27pm on 02 Jun 2009, mostDog wrote:

    Chelsea is proving a real hard nut to crack...ask Barca.
    For sure other than Arsenal, Chelsea has this season played beautiful soccer. Man U and Liverpool on the other hand went the Italian way.
    Big question is Do you need talent to win the English Premier league or need determination coupled with dirty football?
    Everton should have what it takes to win the league next season....the big question is Will Jagielka, Fellaini and Arteta stand up for the challange?

    If Everton were to be rebranded Chelsea, they would finish top three next season without a change of squad.
    If you don't beleive this take the opposite positions and compare.
    To let you off
    Compare:
    Terry and Jagielka
    continue with the comparison.


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  • 218. At 7:01pm on 02 Jun 2009, yiannis21 wrote:

    nigeyy,
    I'm going to be the exception to your rule by being a Big 4 fan (Liverpool) who complains about money. Nothing to do with the yanks putting us in debt (annoying, but we're living in a world where people are funded by money they don't have - mortgages, loans, credit etc - so I can't say it's surprising), but more a general bit of ranting.
    The fact is that there is WAY too much money in a lot of professional sports, but this is unfortunately ingrained in the culture. No matter how much people complain, you simply cannot take the money out of football now. Lionel Messi (as an example - any player would do really) would still be a phenomenal talent no matter how much he earns, but if you gave him the choice between £20,000 a year and £60,000 a week, which do you think he would choose?! Unless every single footballer, all across the world, all voluntarily agreed to a 90% pay cut (not gonna happen!), money is here to stay.
    As for you holding up the NFL as an example of how to do things, as a NFL fan I don't think you've done your research. Sure, the NFL has a salary cap, which is equal for all teams, so that no one team can buy success, but money is still the prime motivating factor. For proof, just look at the draft.
    On the assumption that many people think of NFL as a mutant form of rugby played in armour and don't know about the draft, Every year the best players from college football - essentially youth players in "soccer" terminology - get drafted by the 32 NFL teams, with the worst team getting first pick in each of the 7 rounds of drafting and Superbowl winners the last pick. There are no transfer fees in NFL, so the footballing world would see these as essentially "free" transfers.
    However, despite being "youth players on free transfers", the top draft picks command obscene amounts of money in wages. The first pick in the first round (i.e. the overall "top" pick) can command a 5 year contract worth $68,000,000...
    Let me repeat that: an unproven, youth prospect signing his first ever professional contract can expect to earn $13,000,000 a year. Even using a 2/1 conversion between the dollar and the pound, that still works out at around £110,000 per week, meaning he earns more than players like Gerrard, Torres, Messi, Iniesta, Anelka and Rooney and only slightly less than players like Terry, Ballack, Ronaldo and Ronaldinho.
    If that's not enough for you, it gets better. NFL contracts contain "guaranteed money" clauses, meaning that if the contract is ended prematurely for whatever reason, the player still receives a portion of the full contract as compensation. For a top rookie, the guaranteed money can be as high as $30,000,000. So, if the rookie turns out to be a dud, or if he suffers a career ending injury in his first game, he still pockets almost as much money as it cost Liverpool to buy Torres from Athletico Madrid.
    If people complain about money, that's up to them, but it's not going to change any time soon unfortunately. Even if people do want to do some pie in the sky speculating, the NFL is clearly NOT the model we should be basing ourselves on, unless you feel David Amoo* should be on £200,000 a week...
    (*random untested Liverpool youth player, for those unaware - pick your own youth prospect from your team for equivalent comparison)

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  • 219. At 7:26pm on 02 Jun 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    Chelski fans - read #215 BlueAllStar.

    you all were saying...?

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  • 220. At 8:09pm on 02 Jun 2009, Retirethenumber17shirt wrote:

    Robbo,

    The gulf in class was just huge and we needed everyone to play out of their skins to match up with the "other" Blues. Didn't happen, despite the early goal and every neutral rooting for us. Sorry Tony Hibbo, but Malouda gave you a spanking and a quality right back must be top of the list for Moyes this summer. Getting there without the Yak, Mickey Arteta, Jags and Big Vic was a huge acheivement. Get them back fit for next year and we'll be up there again. Add in Adam Johnson, Tuncay and Tom Huddlestone and I'd be more than happy.

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  • 221. At 8:23pm on 02 Jun 2009, nigeyy wrote:

    yiannis21 (post #218),

    well I did say take the best bits! However, one thing is certainly clear about the NFL: there is a greater diversity of winning teams in the last 15 years of salary cap (at least 10 different teams? So there, that's my research!). Also, and though I can't prove this of course, it wouldn't surprize me if you ask NFL team supporters of 1/2 the teams if they thought their team had a reasonable chance of winning the Super Bowl in the last 10 years or will in the next 10 years, many would reply to the affirmative. That's certainly not something that can be said in the English Premier -the NFL is doing something right to encourage competitiveness. Of course the question is what (I suspect the salary cap has something to do with this) and can it be used?

    But I'm not trying to pick out just the NFL -any successful sporting league in the world is worth a look at their practices. And I'm certainly not advocating wholesale adoption of other sporting league practices or models (like the draft you mention) -just to try to assess the best parts.

    By the way, I completely agree with you; you can't take the money out of the game. I also do not like the vast outrageous amounts spent, but certainly understand why, how it's come about and accept it's here to stay for the foreseeable future. Still, I hope the league does something to address a broader range of clubs being competitive -unless you are a supporter of CLAM, it really does get quite boring.

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  • 222. At 10:05pm on 02 Jun 2009, collie21 wrote:

    Liverpools run in the 80s and Leeds in the 60s just show you don't need the financial clout to be top.. they were no richer than the other clubs... And again leeds and blackburn with all the finance they had in the early 90s both winning a premiership title show that even with the clout you get nout if you don't have a decent manager.....It's the managers mate.....not the dosh....it helps, but with Villa and Everton knocking on the door, I think soon you will see it even out.

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  • 223. At 10:09pm on 02 Jun 2009, SAFismyname wrote:

    Gosh! people make it sound like its a crime to be succesful.

    The problem with the EPL is Bskyb. They need a complete restructure of the league.

    I agree with those who have said that the Money factor is not the sole reason for their being an ocean between the top 4 and the rest, but it is a fundamental reason, but they have earned that money and the right to spend it.

    For those who rant on about Salary caps etc, who is to decide what that cap should be?, it makes sense but practically speaking the clubs will be in breach of soooo many contracts they would go bankrupt.

    It would cause a massive uproar - Europes finest would leave the EPL to play elsewhere - the EPL would lose its sponsors, attraction and eventually the EPL would still lack the competitive edge, but standards would be much lower - affecting us on the Continent and in Internationals.

    Say the CAP was at £60,000 - £80,000 per week, Chelsea would just go bust! and end up like they were before Roman took over.

    Also, would that CAP include bonuses??? ...

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  • 224. At 10:38pm on 02 Jun 2009, flaspur wrote:

    the problem with comparing the nfl/nba/mlb salary cap scenario with football is that ALL of europe would have to agree to the same structure and that just isn't going to happen.

    the american sports have no international competitions so while each european country has the possibility of introducing a salary cap in their own league, the fact that they would then compete on an uneven basis in the champions league would ruin the whole idea. teams and leagues have different tax bases, different stadium ownership set ups, different tv deals etc etc.

    much as we bemoan the big 4 dominating the epl imagine what it must be like for the finnish or the french or the welsh watching the big 4 countries (england, spain, italy, germany) of europe dominate the champions league year in and year out.

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  • 225. At 10:57pm on 02 Jun 2009, WhitleyBayWonTheVase wrote:

    Earlier today Manchester City signed Gareth Barry for £12m on the promise (to him) that there would be some world names joining him in the squad.

    Now, it has just been announced that Real Madrid have signed Kaka, Manchester United seem to be front runners in the chase for Benzema, Ronaldo is going nowhere because Fergie has got him chained to the bent wheel of a Ferrari 599 over the summer months, Messi has a clause in his contract that means you have to pay £10 Billion just to speak to him, Xavi and Iniesta have very attractive female partners who won't leave the lovely climate they enjoy and that Bojan fella will be refused entry to the UK when passport control adopt the Challenge 25 strategy.

    So, Gareth, you bought that one big time didn't ya?

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  • 226. At 00:14am on 03 Jun 2009, squonkster wrote:

    As always a great read...

    FIFA's 6+5 rule could start to see a breakdown in the Big Four's monopoly, but I've noticed that the Premier League is the only association that isn't keen on that idea... But if it did happen, what odds the top 4 would still mirror Celtic and Rangers for the foreseeable future?

    As much as it galls me to say, the team that deserves the most reward over the last 9 years of the Prem is Arsenal; they've spent less, they've brought through players (regardless of what nationality) from their youth set up and they regularly challenge for honours. If teams like Villa, Spurs, Everton and most definitely Man City want to break the domination, they either buy their way into it or they develop. Spurs tried the develop route and for a while it looked to be paying off, but 2007/08 and half of 2008/09 showed that (with exception of the LC) eventually you start to go backwards when the possible potential doesn't develop as far as the investment would have hoped.

    Technically, Everton probably didn't deserve 5th place and a FA Cup final, but they proved that team spirit amounts to a lot in a marathon. In fact, on paper, Spurs and Man City should have been threatening Arsenal's CL spot; proving that managers like Moyes and O'Neill are definitely the template for the young future successful home-grown managers.

    The new season will bring hope from Eastlands, Goodison, Villa Park and WHL that their teams will be consistent enough during the early part of the season to mount a lasting challenge to 4th spot. FOURTH spot??? pathetic really and when you draw a line through this and Leeds United or Newcastle, you have to say that a year or two in the CL doesn't bring the dreams you think it will; you have to be one of the top four, for years, before even the CL starts to reap its benefits.

    The sad truth is any premiership football supporter who don't support one of the Big Four has to be as resigned as a Dundee United, Hearts, Hibs or Aberdeen fan; they aint going to win their league again - a devalued cup competition is their only route to salvation!

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  • 227. At 01:41am on 03 Jun 2009, Roberto_Mexicano wrote:

    Top blog as always Robbo. Easily the best of the BBC blogs by a very large country mile.

    You're exactly right. The Premier League is just boring. We know the big 4 will be the big 4 every season, and it's rare that you can't see where the titles goin to end up a good month before the end of the season, even when it's still mathematically possible.

    What can be done about it - Nothing, so we have to accept it, and as depressing as it is, we have to hope that Man City with their millions can break up the party and make it a big 5.

    How depressing

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  • 228. At 06:22am on 03 Jun 2009, Sir Blogalot wrote:

    Response to #226

    "Technically, Everton probably didn't deserve 5th place and a FA Cup final"..... excuse me? "Technically"? Is this ice skating, ski-jumping or gymnastics, where you get marks for style or grace? Or is this about fashion? Are Everton not "on trend" enough for you?

    The league is a long hard slog which pushes your squad to its limits, especially if it a small squad like Everton's, which is made even smaller by season-ending injuries to key players in the spine of the team. Did you see our starting XI and bench for the first month of the season? We had Jagielga looking like a fish out of water in midfield, Fellaini looking like he'd never been in a game of football before, some injuries as usual, and a couple of lads in the team who weren't yet old enough to shave, with some even younger ones on the bench. I am surprised the club didn't have the local council truant officer round.

    To achieve 5th and a cup final under those circumstances and after that start, and to build a team spirit that might be the best in the whole of England, is nothing short of fantastic I reckon. The league table at the end of the season does not lie. Give Everton the credit they deserve, or go off and watch whoever has taken over from Torville and Dean these days.

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  • 229. At 07:37am on 03 Jun 2009, godisaboy wrote:

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  • 230. At 07:41am on 03 Jun 2009, R Nair wrote:

    English football would be better off if its top clubs competed with other top European clubs in a European Super League. The big fish can compete with each other in the big pond, while the not so big fish can compete with each other in the not so big pond.

    At least you would have a level playing field in each pond.

    The important thing is to preserve promotion and relegation between the bigger ponds and the smaller ponds, and not have the big clubs simply breaking away to form their own stand-alone league. The longer it is left the way it is, the greater the risk of a break-away sometime in the future.

    http://footballinsights.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/transnational-european-leagues/
    http://footballinsights.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/proposals-for-a-european-league/
    http://footballinsights.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/a-british-league/
    http://footballinsights.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/atlantic-league/
    http://footballinsights.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/the-gap-between-the-premier-league-and-the-championship/
    http://footballinsights.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/half-baked-two-tier-premier-league/
    http://footballinsights.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/british-league-an-outline/

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  • 231. At 07:43am on 03 Jun 2009, St_Domingo_Gringo wrote:

    #228 spot on fella. You didn't even mention the enforced 4-6-0 formation. Latest news for Chavs reading this, apparently you've matched (and exceeded) Madrid's Kaka bid.

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  • 232. At 08:35am on 03 Jun 2009, marchie1053 wrote:

    #123 Refs aren't biased towards the top 4 (esp ManU). It's just that the tv scheduling can't cope with the 38 minutes added time until United score the vital winner or equaliser ...

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  • 233. At 09:21am on 03 Jun 2009, Nevernomore wrote:

    Like many others i've now lost all interest in the quadopoly that's the premier league. The lower leagues hold what english football used to be about. While there still some big teams, teams from all positions in the league can turn eachother over. The top four's bloated squads of superstars i find disgraceful. Until there's a squad wage cap introduced where some degree of a level playing field is reintroduced the premier league's going to carry on the awful virtual two tier structure it currently has. I'd like a base total squad wage cap plus a extra amount based on the club's average attendance. That way the big clubs would still have an advantage it would just be a reasonable one.

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  • 234. At 09:56am on 03 Jun 2009, Journeyman wrote:

    Top blog robbo but you dont arf attract some idiots on here dont you?

    That simpletruth kid hes a character isnt he? I couldnt give 2 monkeys about john terry missing penalties, i laughed and still do, so what? I've got zero respect for the bloke. I've got zero respect for pretty much every player in the league because they are all a bunch of overpaid crying whinging children.

    Look at their reaction in the semi final, any feelings of sympathy were chucked right out the window. You dont react like that, role models? my rear are they. Well atleast very few are.

    Could you see that happening 20 year ago? Imagine that under a clough team? He'd have given you a clip round the eyes.

    I love football and the premiership more than pretty much anything (family aside) but i couldnt give a flying hoot about the players feelings as I am sure their 100k a week keeps them smiling.

    Also the suggestions that you are racist are without doubt the worst things ive ever heard. To take the mick out of a tan (and a god awful one at that) is not racist at all. Look up the term in the dicitonary.

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  • 235. At 11:05am on 03 Jun 2009, Robbo Robson wrote:

    I think the suggestions that I am racist cos of what I said about Phil Brown (and how we wish that tan was some sort of shade of brown) are v tongue in cheek, mate.

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  • 236. At 11:13am on 03 Jun 2009, Journeyman wrote:

    too true,

    the championship is where its at anyway. if you ask me its the new premier league*

    Signed
    an ever suffering toon fan

    * may not be true

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  • 237. At 1:04pm on 03 Jun 2009, StratfordBlade wrote:

    Excellent stuff as ever Robbo!

    Make sure you have saved this paritcular blog episode, because you can do your bit for the planet and recycle it in a few years time. Just replace the word 'Chelsea' with 'Man City' and 'Everton' with whoever it happens to be City have beaten and it will work perfectly.

    Life down here isn't so artificial, Robbo. You might even recognise it as 'football' as you're old enough to remember life before the PL circus began. Not that I wouldn't swap places with Burnley instantly, but it is a bit like a MPs expenses claim up there. Totally detached from the real world.

    At least we can lock horns next season, and there's no way you'll get punters all naming the same four for the championship next season.

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  • 238. At 1:07pm on 03 Jun 2009, FM wrote:

    Welcome to the Championship Robbo.

    Where anyone can beat anyone else, the fans back their teams from the stands, and the players play for the shirts, the fans, the manager and their teammates.

    Where you get the full football experience. The hope, the expectation, the agony, the ecstasy, the anguish, the despair, the joy.

    Where there is no underdog.

    And where everyone has one dream - to be in a league that's worse.

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  • 239. At 1:08pm on 03 Jun 2009, MangoreUnited wrote:

    Robbo,

    FIrst off the suggestions that you're racist are obviously ridiculous. The points made about the big four are fair enough, no complaints there. But I don't think you should question Phil Neville's comments about how awful it felt for him to lose that cup final.

    This is the Phil Neville who ASKED to leave Manchester United FC when the gaffer wanted to keep him. Phil was magnificent in his last couple of seasons at OT but he wasn't always in the team. So he went to the greatest living manager and asked to be sold from the greatest club in the world so that he could further develop his skills and reputation. He joined Everton and has been integral in helping David Moyes bring the (relative) success the the club have enjoyed recently.

    Winning a trophy with Everton, esp after knocking out Liverpool and United en route to beating Chelsea in the final, would have been the ultimate redemption of that bold brave choice to leave the cushy little number that is bench-warmer at top four club. Phil wanted to graft and toil and help build a club up into a successful one and he got this close and then lost in the final. Underestimating what it would have meant to him to have an FA Cup winners medal as Captain of Everton, not to mention that he would have lifted the trophy, is a bit off Robbo.

    Would you argue that the majority of Newcastle players were as gutted at relegation as Phil was at losing his shot at glory with his adopted club?.......

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  • 240. At 1:14pm on 03 Jun 2009, U13982173 wrote:

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  • 241. At 2:01pm on 03 Jun 2009, Torres at the Bridge wrote:

    "The squad is a collection of talented millionaires whose team spirit seems to crumble like an overdone flapjack whenever things go wrong."

    I doubt many right-minded fans would recognise that as being the Chelsea I know...

    Nevertheless you make some good points. I do remeber a different scenario not that long ago. In my early football supporting years it was Liverpool who single handedly dominated the top flight and they had money to spend, Arsenal were an addition to make it a big two and then came Utd with investment of £13m before Fergie ever won a thing... big cash back then when we'd not long had the first £1m player.

    So big two, three, four? Big 5 with City next season?

    Chelsea are relatively new to the so call 'Big' club and it comes courtesy of cash investment... I expect you'd like to go back to having 'one team to hate' and we could just let Liverpool or Utd take it in turns to win the league?

    The idea that Arsenal haven't spent any money is absurd... do you think there fantastic new stadium came for free? They have also invested, and I might argue that their investment is wiser than ours. It's cash money nevertheless...

    By the way will your Blog no longer appear under the Premier League link now Robbo?

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  • 242. At 2:03pm on 03 Jun 2009, kbains86 wrote:

    Mr Robbo Robson you still have that bitter taste of relegation in your mouth!!
    I totally agree with everything that SimpleTruth has said although not the racism bit. You constantly hate on the top 4 although I hardly see any bad feelings towards Arsenal & Liverpool.
    The comments about Chelsea are totally out of line. You have deep hate for them and I cant stand by and let you slate them any more.
    Quote "Moyes has vowed to stay at Goodison to keep fighting the odds, even as wise old Guus has left the Bridge with fans desperate for more. The latest recipient of Roman's dough will be Carlo Ancellottery. I don't wish him well".
    Y dont you wish him well my friend (because of the DOUGH ££??). I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY WHAT HAS HE DONE TO YOU!! Its pretty obvious the money is making you jealous.
    I read in one of your later posts your problem is not with West Londoners, so who is the problem with?? The board??.
    Also in your last post Fergie Fouls Up you said some things about Barcelona.
    Quote There's much to admire about Barca but excuse me if I don't wrap meself in blue and red and call meself a Catalan. Yes it's brilliant that they give money to UNICEF, that the fans own the club, that they play that pretty way and won't compromise, that the stars of the side came through the club structure. They're a joy to watch. But there was a lot of glib and sentimental claptrap being thrown around the morning after the night before. There are grown men bleating about how every club should be like Barca. They're grumbling that their team is just a victim of Premier League greed and the fans".
    You basically hate on Barca and quote called it sentimental claptrap. So how would you like EPL clubs to be, carry on dominating the game with big money owners. I thought you HATE that!! Your too CONTRACDICTORY mate. You dont know what you THINK to be honest and although youre funny I can never take your views seriously.
    Im a Chelsea fan and losing to Barcelona was a gut-wrenching as I had the mortgage on. Seeing them lift the European cup with total football and their values/principles was a victory for football my friend.
    What you said about Barca just shows you hate all clubs that are successful. If it was your club that had a super tycoon owner you would love it. If your club was run like Barca and had the same principles/values as them you would be happy as larry.
    Until Boro become a top 4 club and be successful (which will never happen, can seem them being relegated to League1 LOL) you will always continue to hate on all big clubs worldwide. I would rather read blogs where people are fair and give credit where credit is due! Not your one sided BITTER comments!! UP THE POSH!!


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  • 243. At 2:06pm on 03 Jun 2009, kbains86 wrote:

    MR Robbo Robson if you got a problem with the Chelsea board then you got a problem with the fans as well my son!!

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  • 244. At 2:12pm on 03 Jun 2009, kbains86 wrote:

    Mr Robbo Robson you still have that bitter taste of relegation in your mouth!!
    I totally agree with everything that SimpleTruth has said although not the racism bit. You constantly hate on the top 4 although I hardly see any bad feelings towards Arsenal & Liverpool.
    The comments about Chelsea are totally out of line. You have deep hate for them and I cant stand by and let you slate them any more.
    Quote "Moyes has vowed to stay at Goodison to keep fighting the odds, even as wise old Guus has left the Bridge with fans desperate for more. The latest recipient of Roman's dough will be Carlo Ancellottery. I don't wish him well".
    Y dont you wish him well my friend (because of the DOUGH ££??). I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY WHAT HAS HE DONE TO YOU!! Its pretty obvious the money is making you jealous.
    I read in one of your later posts your problem is not with West Londoners, so who is the problem with?? The board??.
    Also in your last post Fergie Fouls Up you said some things about Barcelona.
    Quote There's much to admire about Barca but excuse me if I don't wrap meself in blue and red and call meself a Catalan. Yes it's brilliant that they give money to UNICEF, that the fans own the club, that they play that pretty way and won't compromise, that the stars of the side came through the club structure. They're a joy to watch. But there was a lot of glib and sentimental claptrap being thrown around the morning after the night before. There are grown men bleating about how every club should be like Barca. They're grumbling that their team is just a victim of Premier League greed and the fans".
    You basically hate on Barca and quote called it sentimental claptrap. So how would you like EPL clubs to be, carry on dominating the game with big money owners. I thought you HATE that!! Your too CONTRACDICTORY mate. You dont know what you THINK to be honest and although youre funny I can never take your views seriously.
    Im a Chelsea fan and losing to Barcelona was a gut-wrenching as I had the mortgage on. Seeing them lift the European cup with total football and their values/principles was a victory for football my friend.
    What you said about Barca just shows you hate all clubs that are successful. If it was your club that had a super tycoon owner you would love it. If your club was run like Barca and had the same principles/values as them you would be happy as larry.
    Until Boro become a top 4 club and be successful you will always continue to hate on all big clubs worldwide. I would rather read blogs where people are fair and give credit where credit is due! Not your one sided BITTER comments!!


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  • 245. At 2:13pm on 03 Jun 2009, kbains86 wrote:

    Agree 100%

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  • 246. At 2:28pm on 03 Jun 2009, Macca wrote:

    It's not just about money, it's also about desire for success.

    I could discover oil in my garden, become filthy rich (pardon the pun), buy my club and offer mega millions to the best players in the world to play for my club.

    I could offer Kaka, Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Silva, all they want. Will they come and play for my Cardiff? I doubt it.

    Spurs and Citeh will tell you that money can buy you diamond rings but money can't buy you Kaka. Or maybe that were the Beatles...something like that.

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  • 247. At 2:30pm on 03 Jun 2009, I Am Deluded - Hughton Is A Geordie wrote:

    Well said Robbo. Ignore the utter pillocks who are commenting about racism etc. It was a very insightful peice of writing and as a Newcastle fan it pains me to say I agree with you. Good luck next season.

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  • 248. At 2:44pm on 03 Jun 2009, godisaboy wrote:

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  • 249. At 3:07pm on 03 Jun 2009, kkandnathan wrote:

    keep going,dont give up!!
    http://www.nowgoal.com/17.shtml

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  • 250. At 3:08pm on 03 Jun 2009, kbains86 wrote:

    100% agree with ya

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  • 251. At 3:09pm on 03 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Kbains86.... did you just agree with yourself... 100%?

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  • 252. At 3:21pm on 03 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    Dyrewolfe wrote "@SimpleTruth09:

    You really DO need to grow up, get a life, get counselling or SOMETHING if you think Robbo's blogs are racist.

    Try going to a BNP rally sometime - then you'll know what true racism is."

    Funny but only a few post before RedBlueArmy92 was posting the same kind of nonsense directed at me. He went back and read some past blogs again and then suddenly came up with:


    RedBlueArmy92 Wrote :"Sorry Robbo, though i earlier defended you as not being a racist and judging people on thier skin colour... but re-reading your comments about phil brown, i was disgusted! Colour has nothing to do with it, he and the other umpa-lumpas will no doubt be logging their complaints with the BBC!"

    (Note he does not apologize to me despite insulting me unjustly and then admiting it - class act that guy)

    So Dyrewolfe it is you who should consider your own advice. I am grown, perfectly stable, have a life and I can still see and point out racist behaviour in Robo's blogs. Its not a case of over politically correct, its simply correct behaviour.

    So let me clear this up. I am posting about Robo's blog in general. this specific blog was so vile and angst filled it finally got a reaction. In the past he has claimed American's are stupid and their childern are fat. He has made comments about Italians and French. These are facts not opinions. Do some people wish to just accept them as "banter"? Judging by this thread I would say sadly yes, which is why I say it reflects poorly on Britian and it does. Not only is he making racist comments the general feeling seems to be its fine which means the averge person here agrees. I know for a fact many people do not agree with it. When it comes to the football remarks they are pretty much accepted but the racist comments? No I am sorry they are not acceptable just because you call your forum a "blog" and post under an alias.

    The only point I was making about him and Chelsea is it never stops, Its week after week and guess what Robo? Its not Chelsea fault Boro went down.

    Robo making comments like "Should hear me purring about Arsenal despite the fact that they're all foreign in't they? (That last bit was tongue in cheek, ok?)" Changes nothing now does it? Constantly making insulting remarks about those down south is hardly covered by talking about a London team with almost no British players yet alone London born players.

    I agree with the idea that the current format makes it almost impossible to break into the "big four" yet alone beat them. That is why I pointed out the G14 documents. It is a fact that Liverpool, Arsenal and Man UTD had a part in forming the current Premier League format/Champions League Format, where the top teams get the biggest share of the TV money. So yes Robo does have a point there. I also had a point - no fan can claim those teams got there fair and square by footballing means when they used underhand tatics like that. Did I say Chelsea are saints? Nope and I won't. I only mentioned Chelsea because Robo keeps bringing them up. Does he sometimes say somewhat decent things about them? Sort of, even he had to admit the Barca game was something that should be questioned.

    So basically I made it clear I disagree with his constant jibes at other cultures and peoples and the fact its almost every week he just has to say something about Cheslea, he post more about them than Boro - that says something.

    I should point out I have not complained to the BBC, sent some letter behind Robo's back or anything like that. I have posted here where he can read for himself. So he can respond himself. So maybe, just maybe he can learn to keep his blog either non-racist or stick to football and the clubs involved. He could probably learn to stop being such a poor loser as well, Boro went down, it sucks - stop blaming others. The fact is I watch all my live football at the Riverside and I will not be doing that next season. Its shame, I enjoy the atmosphere there.

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  • 253. At 3:24pm on 03 Jun 2009, kbains86 wrote:

    You got too much of a contradictory nature Mr Robbo Robson. Read 242 and 244 and you will see why this guys views are complete cods wallop. Robbo you don't know what you think!! Up the POSH

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  • 254. At 3:26pm on 03 Jun 2009, kbains86 wrote:

    Redbluearmy92 was a test msg mate because my first msg never appeared. This my first time blogging but i usually read robbos blogs. After seeing him slate Chelsea and Barca I had to sign up and let him know what I think about his bitter views!

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  • 255. At 3:35pm on 03 Jun 2009, philtoon82 wrote:

    fans of the so called 'top 4' really cant take it when anyone says anything bad about their team.

    anyone who reads robbo's blogs knows that he has a pop at everyone, have you seen some of the things he has said about newcastle this year (all granted of course!!)

    Grow up and stop embarrassing yourselves!!

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  • 256. At 4:04pm on 03 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Simpleton09... (stand-out fool)

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... actually read what was written by myself (should be easy, you pasted in to you last rant) about Robbos "racist" comments about Phil Brown...

    I may have been being just a tad Ironic with that one...

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  • 257. At 4:15pm on 03 Jun 2009, stroma88 wrote:

    Boro will not be "on a much more level playing field with everyone else in that league " They have the luxury of a parachte payment of around
    30 million

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  • 258. At 4:30pm on 03 Jun 2009, Journeyman wrote:

    RANDOM capital LETTERS to make MY ARGUEMENT seem strong.

    Mental, the lot of you.

    Get back to writing to ofcom because someone did a swear on big brother will yous or just stop reading these blogs and annoying people who enjoy it.

    I don't enjoy the soaps therefore i dont watch them. Adopt this policy with blogs and youre laughing all the way to your bank.

    And for the last time taking the urine out of a tan is not racist. unless I am unaware of a new race of purely tanned people from tan island. I hear it gorgeous this time of year and wish most of you lot would do one and dissapear there.

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  • 259. At 4:32pm on 03 Jun 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    #252 relax, DyreWolf is absolutely spot on in his advice to you. RedBlueArmy was taking the p*** and it was very funny.

    To address what might be the most inflammatory comment you made; here in the States it's true that educational/qualification levels have been slipping in the last two decades. Simultaneously, obesity levels amongst children have risen to the highest in the world. So, whether Robbo actually said what you claim or not, the evidence suggests that if he says it, I say it or you say it, it's a fairly accurate proclamation!

    http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/childhood/index.html
    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/19/US-slipping-in-education-rankings/UPI-90221227104776/
    http://chronicle.com/news/article/2856/in-comparison-with-g-8-countries-american-higher-education-has-pluses-and-minuses



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  • 260. At 4:37pm on 03 Jun 2009, abscondicon wrote:

    It does appear that huge sums of money from new rich owners is the only way for a club to break the top four's dominance and, even then, it's not at all guaranteed. There's no argument about it; money has killed the spirit of top flight football in our country. I have to say if i was a fan of Man City or, now it would seem, Portsmouth, I'd fear for my club rather than be excited. Oil barons coming to own a team as a fashion accessory in a league that's all about wealth makes me very sad.

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  • 261. At 4:40pm on 03 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    And yet you still proved the point and should be apologizing RedBlueArmy but of course you do not have that class of character.

    But lets forget that - here is just two blogs I remember specifically.
    There have been many many more


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/11/barack_to_the_future.html

    "So America has proved itself to be, on the whole, not quite so stoopid as we thought it was.


    Those of us who suspected that a ticket with the message 'Obama n Biden' might have convinced the rednecks that the Godfather of Islamic Terrorism was the Democratic candidate have been proved wrong. Apparently there was a heavy turn-out, but let's face it in America it doesn't matter how many people come out and vote, the turn-out is always going to be heavy, very heavy. "


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/robborobson/2008/07/open_sores.html

    "I swear to God, we're only two generations from North American kids being born with castors on their feet."


    If you people can not see that these are enthocentric comments then you truly have a problem. (and yes mr look up in the dictionary I did clarify I was only using the word "racist" because of its common use in British culture, I did most definitely use the correct term from post one)


    Now "Robo" refute you made these comments and if you admit that you did then tell me they are not enthocentric.

    I am betting we will not be reading a response here but you could prove me wrong.

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  • 262. At 4:47pm on 03 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    TRotterUSA Wrote "To address what might be the most inflammatory comment you made; here in the States it's true that educational/qualification levels have been slipping in the last two decades. Simultaneously, obesity levels amongst children have risen to the highest in the world. So, whether Robbo actually said what you claim or not, the evidence suggests that if he says it, I say it or you say it, it's a fairly accurate proclamation! "

    Complete and utter nonsense. The NHS proved two years ago that the obesity levels among children in the UK among other places are actually higher than those of the US. They also found 7 other countries to fit the bill. Every single year in every single western country the media claims the education levels are slipping while they are actually improving - its money driven. I will not even go into the facts regarding this because its an entire different subject. This is simply not the place.

    With that aside, look at it this way.

    Its true certain people have different colours of skin also, use not so desirable slang to refer to them and see what happens. This is no different even if your comments were accurate.

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  • 263. At 4:54pm on 03 Jun 2009, Journeyman wrote:

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  • 264. At 4:58pm on 03 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    TrulySimple:

    Robbos, comments are funny, if you care to read post 259 (trotterUSA) you will see they are backed up by facts. By your logic, every comedian from Jon Stewart -to- Richard Prior via the Simpsons is "enthocentric"...

    No one is justifying racism or enthocentric behaviour (going to get an electric shock off that buzz-word if i use it again), but laughing at peoples differnces is human nature and most definately not racist or out of hatred or anger... (in fact it's a big part of footballs tribal mentality)

    So where your actions are admirable, as your intentions are just... your words are simply misplaced. You are not Rosa Parks, Robbo is not "the man" and this is not the good fight...

    Please, take a look at all the wrongs in the world and honestly justify spending your time comabating the harmless jibes of Mr Robbo Robson...

    Again though, good effrot for trying to change the world... No apology mate, but i do feel truly sorry for you...

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  • 265. At 6:59pm on 03 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    RedBlueArmy wrote "Robbos, comments are funny, if you care to read post 259 (trotterUSA) you will see they are backed up by facts. By your logic, every comedian from Jon Stewart -to- Richard Prior via the Simpsons is "enthocentric"... "

    So what? TrotterUSA's links to "facts" is meanlingless for the very reason I wrote refuting. Not to mention his "facts" are proven to be nonsense.

    I also, don't have to pay money that contributes to the existence of the people you mentioned, the BBC is funded by my Tax money which means I am entitled to express my view on the way ROBO expresses his opinions.

    I do not however answer to you

    "No one is justifying racism or enthocentric behaviour (going to get an electric shock off that buzz-word if i use it again), but laughing at peoples differnces is human nature and most definately not racist or out of hatred or anger... (in fact it's a big part of footballs tribal mentality)

    So where your actions are admirable, as your intentions are just... your words are simply misplaced. You are not Rosa Parks, Robbo is not "the man" and this is not the good fight... "

    You are not qualified to make that judgement. More imporantly he is not laughing at other "peoples" differences. He is attacking a certain culture (actually several but I proved indisputable proof of just one) - not just certain types of people, the entire culture. And that is by definition enthocentric behavior and is explicitily forbidden in the BBC's rules of behaviour for this blog, so it is very relevant.

    Also, your attempt to again make it out as if I am somehow in the wrong is sad. Laughing at peoples misfortunes is not part of human nature, not atleast among civilized human beings. Differences maybe, misfortunes definitely not and he has labeled everyone, mind you every single one of them - all 300 million, stupid and fat.

    My words are not misplaced and any behaviour of this sort should be addressed. He does not need to be "the man" or Rosa Parks.

    But I guess what you are really saying is somehow my mentioning it makes me a bad person? Yet you say "Where your actions are admirable"? Make up your mind you are nothing but contridictions and its funny how your tune changed from exceptionally insulting to almost polite once the proof hit your right in the face. Of course just a few post back you where saying he has never made a racist comment...

    "Please, take a look at all the wrongs in the world and honestly justify spending your time comabating the harmless jibes of Mr Robbo Robson...

    Again though, good effrot for trying to change the world... No apology mate, but i do feel truly sorry for you... "

    I will choose to have my say where and when I want I don't need your permission. Mr Robo has done wrong and should be a man and admit, something I feel is beyond you

    Don't feel sorry for me, its you that has the problem. I'm fine just tired of watching Robo make Britian look bad and being forced to pay the entity that funds him

    I do have some advice for you though, - I'm pretty sure Robo is big enough to either admit or deny his doings, he does not need you. Up to you, but you certainly are not helping him or anything else for that matter


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  • 266. At 7:01pm on 03 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    One thing does stand out in all this - some of you do not seem to realize something

    The term Redneck is just as racist as the word Nig**r

    It has the exact same intention, comes from the same era in time and it is applied to a people of a certain skin colour

    You should keep that in mind

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  • 267. At 7:21pm on 03 Jun 2009, kbains86 wrote:

    Mr Robbo Robson you think you are some kind of VOICE for all the clubs outside of the top 4. Really your views are not valid in my eyes because you contradict what you say.

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  • 268. At 7:26pm on 03 Jun 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 269. At 7:37pm on 03 Jun 2009, _Nichollz_ wrote:

    202. At 4:14pm on 02 Jun 2009, Elderman1967 wrote:
    Robbo as a toffee I have to admit that this blog has been one of the most insightful and inspired pieces of writing I have seen in a while.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    Don't read a lot do you.

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  • 270. At 7:46pm on 03 Jun 2009, Luigi Cabrallio wrote:

    I have to say, I normally find this blog tedious and uninsightful but today I couldn't help laughing through it.

    Good blog.

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  • 271. At 9:23pm on 03 Jun 2009, politedebate wrote:

    Surprisingly a thoughtful, accurate blog rather than going for cheap laughs. Have yet to read a more accurate/damning indictment of football at the moment, and not just in England.

    That is actually why I think that international football is becoming more important to me as a fan. You can't 'buy' success (except investment through infrastructure etc.) and it still has a bit more magic about it somehow. Lets get behind England and forget the repetitive premiership.


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  • 272. At 9:28pm on 03 Jun 2009, onelung82 wrote:

    "RE> 266. At 7:01pm on 03 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    One thing does stand out in all this - some of you do not seem to realize something

    The term Redneck is just as racist as the word Nig**r

    It has the exact same intention, comes from the same era in time and it is applied to a people of a certain skin colour

    You should keep that in mind"

    OK you have been talking load of well it wont get printed so i wont bother for some time on this post now but this 1 is rubbish it is neither offensive nor racist term and to compare it to words that are is just idiotic i spent time in the south among many SELF PROCLAIMED rednecks none find it offensive in fact many many have it as bumper stickers on there car's. Can i ask why is it you are so intent to find racism in this blog? its tongue in cheek humor, and how is it you are posting so much do you not go to work? is that were all this comes from?
    Grow up mate stop tryign to find offense were there clearly is none.
    Unless of course you are Robbo himself and this is just 1 great wind up byt the man himself if so well in robb lad!

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  • 273. At 10:07pm on 03 Jun 2009, BradfieldCFC wrote:

    Comment *73

    That guy just gave a fair, neutral analysis of this particular blog and hes got it dead on.
    I dont see how many people can disagree with that view but im sure people will try, despite being honest and frank.

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  • 274. At 10:14pm on 03 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    272: You have no idea what you are talking about.

    Yes some white Americans do call themselves Redneck as do some black Americans call themselves Nig**r. That does not make them less racist words. The term actually refers to farmers because of working in the sun but just like Nig**r, which just means black by the way, it is now the symbol of unintelligent, lazy white people - the exact same as Nig**r now. One applies to "African-Americans" and one to "White-Americans". You must be from the crowd that believes if its a racist comment about white people its not actually racist

    Also, as you pointed out its basically only people from the south that find it funny when they call themselves that

    Just because you do not comprehend something does not make someone who does idiotic. In fact its the opposite

    But, intent on finding? Grow up? Its you and people like you that need to grow up. All you have to do is read it, I posted the links of just a few I remember that really angered the American readers

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  • 275. At 10:44pm on 03 Jun 2009, onelung82 wrote:

    "274. At 10:14pm on 03 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    272: You have no idea what you are talking about.

    Yes some white Americans do call themselves Redneck as do some black Americans call themselves Nig**r. That does not make them less racist words. The term actually refers to farmers because of working in the sun but just like Nig**r, which just means black by the way, it is now the symbol of unintelligent, lazy white people - the exact same as Nig**r now. One applies to "African-Americans" and one to "White-Americans". You must be from the crowd that believes if its a racist comment about white people its not actually racist

    Also, as you pointed out its basically only people from the south that find it funny when they call themselves that

    Just because you do not comprehend something does not make someone who does idiotic. In fact its the opposite

    But, intent on finding? Grow up? Its you and people like you that need to grow up. All you have to do is read it, I posted the links of just a few I remember that really angered the American readers"


    No i really do know what i am talking about Redneck is not racist while you are correct on its historic term it is in no way racist or has any racial overtures now Which is why i am asking why you are intent on finding racism.

    and on a note i made the idiotic comment for comparing the term Redneck to the term N* something that has and does breed up a lot of resentment and hurt and it is complete idiotic for you to make any such comparison. Go to Harlem and shout N* go to Nashville and Shout Redneck See which one you walk out of and which one does not bat an eyelid. in fact the fact you will print redneck but abbreviate N" completely proves my point. Or is it you who is racist as some1 who will say 1 and not the other that's racist you know. (as i can tell you are not some1 who gets humor that last bit was a joke)

    And you comparing me to things again is comical your like one of those council members who bans Christmas decorations in case it offends minorities when in fact the minorities were never offended in the first place just some ejit like yourself finds it offensive.

    And on another side note you aint answered how you find the time to spend all day writing long essays on the BEEB all day? personally i work what is it you do other then fight battles that do not actually exist?

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  • 276. At 10:53pm on 03 Jun 2009, flaspur wrote:

    the term redneck does not have racist overtones.

    some just choose to see race problems everywhere and can't wait to stir the pot.

    is troll a racist term?

    let's get back to the football.

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  • 277. At 11:18pm on 03 Jun 2009, TrotterUSA wrote:

    A simple question for simple truth...are you orange by any chance?

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  • 278. At 11:47pm on 03 Jun 2009, DenistheGenius wrote:

    allright, now i'm convinced: SimpleTruth is a complete wind-up - there's no way someone could be this ridiculous without trying.

    well done, sir... i can almost see you sniggering (racist alert!) behind your moniter right now!

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  • 279. At 08:21am on 04 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    "i really do know what i am talking about Redneck is not racist while you are correct on its historic term it is in no way racist or has any racial overtures now Which is why i am asking why you are intent on finding racism. "

    No obviously you don't. The term applies to only white people. That is by very definition a racist term as it is used in todays culture. I am not intent on finding it - its there just stop your pointless arguing and read

    "and on a note i made the idiotic comment for comparing the term Redneck to the term N* something that has and does breed up a lot of resentment and hurt and it is complete idiotic for you to make any such comparison. Go to Harlem and shout N* go to Nashville and Shout Redneck See which one you walk out of and which one does not bat an eyelid."

    Again a completely stupid comparison. African Americans can and do use the N word in Harlem every single day. What you meant to say is let a white person go there and say it. By the same token let a black person go into a trailer park in Nashville and yell redneck - the reaction would be exactly the same. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.

    It is that very seperation of cultures and peoples that makes the word racist and incorrect for use on a public funded forum. It is also extends to countries. White Americans in general might think its funny to use the word Redneck if used in the right context. However, those exact same Americans would not like it coming from someone from Britian, specifically someone from Britian who obviously harbours a great hate and resentment of them. Humor does not excuse.

    " in fact the fact you will print redneck but abbreviate N" completely proves my point."

    Actually no it does not. Its against the law in the UK to use the N word even in description. Because of ignorance the likes of which is being shown here it is not illegal to use redneck.

    You are also avioding the actual proof I provided several post again and fix your argument on one single word. Even I was wrong, and I definitely am not, that would prove something.

    This is nothing like your example of Council members banning Christmas in a Christan country - this is exactly like the 1950's when almost all white people thought it was ok to call "blacks" nig**r and it was excepted. Anyone who suggested otherwise got the same treatment as I am here yet roll forward 50 years and low and behold, those people did not like being called nig**r. You are simply blinding yourself to the truth

    But, as I said forget that one word, you simply are not capable of grasping the truth on that one. Look at the links and quotes I posted. If you think that would be well accpetd by the common American you are sadly mistaken, in fact I would like to see Robo yell that in a crowded New York bar..

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  • 280. At 09:08am on 04 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    TruthHurts...simple!

    Robbos blogs are like post-emancipated pre-aparthied North America!

    Ok i'm convinced... this is a wind up! Pretty funny one, its left me tickled pink!

    (Sorry to anyone pink reading this and taking offence!)

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  • 281. At 09:28am on 04 Jun 2009, St_Domingo_Gringo wrote:

    I agree, Simple is well on a wind up no-one can be that ignorant and/or sensitive.

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  • 282. At 09:59am on 04 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    "So America has proved itself to be, on the whole, not quite so stoopid as we thought it was.


    Those of us who suspected that a ticket with the message 'Obama n Biden' might have convinced the rednecks that the Godfather of Islamic Terrorism was the Democratic candidate have been proved wrong. Apparently there was a heavy turn-out, but let's face it in America it doesn't matter how many people come out and vote, the turn-out is always going to be heavy, very heavy. "

    "I swear to God, we're only two generations from North American kids being born with castors on their feet."


    Here let me try create an examples, using the sterotypical European insults directed at the English - Try to image this coming from the French, Germans or whoever it is you hate (I have no doubt most of you will be able to think of someone)

    Robo Quote one:

    So Britian has proved itself to be, on the whole, not quite as stupid as all of Europe thought they were.

    "Those of us who suspected a ticket which supported the message reduction in government spending, might have convinced all the uneducated dole riding chavs, that the is the majority of football fans, that the end of time is here. Apparently, there was a heavy turn-out of inbred, bad toothed, poorly dressed ignorant yobs, of course lets face it in England doesn't matter how many people come out and vote, the turn-out is always going to be heavy, very heavy and very ignorant.

    Robo Quote Two:

    "I swear to God, we're only two generations from English kids being born with castors on their feet and duplicate DNA."

    Maybe, just maybe coming from another English person or say a Scot, some of you might find that funny. I doubt it though.

    If it was coming from someone from another European culture, or maybe even an American - yeah I don't think so. Get it?

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  • 283. At 11:12am on 04 Jun 2009, StratfordBlade wrote:

    Robbo,

    Can't believe all this came from a blog about the Cup Final and how boring it is that the top 4 win everything.

    I think you should publish your expenses claims now and really stir things.

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  • 284. At 12:14pm on 04 Jun 2009, RedBlueArmy92 wrote:

    Truth-is-far-to-Simple09

    Though i long ago grew tired of your warped point of view, you are clearly devoid of humour, personality and friends (that last one was a guess, but i'm right aint I?) i can not let the contradictory nature of your last rant/post go...

    Aren't your opinions about the English taking great offence from comments about themselves from people of other nations, well stereotypical and dare i say it (I dare) "Ethocentric"???

    Hoisted by your own pitard laddy jim!

    And was this really a blog about the FA cup and the dominace of the top 4??

    Anyway, thats it from me on this one TrulySimple... I hope that one day you find that elusive sense of humour and you get that first kiss your so desperately in need of...

    Aldershot for the cup!

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  • 285. At 12:23pm on 04 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    Well Niall, excuse me "Robbo", you have gone very quite.

    I guess life's lessons have taught you that silence is often the best defense. Its a shame because I would have preferred to have your take on the matter.

    I have to ask myself is this just a case of a guy taking it a little to far and not realizing it? I mean you are the same guy who did "Hungarian Bird Festival" and "The Man Who Would Be Sting". Those two little shows resulted in a great deal of both positive and negative response and you got through that and are even willing to speak about it.

    I think the biggest problem here is this, most the people posting here are British and are applying British values to it. Just because British people do not get offended about somethings does not mean Americans for instance don't.

    A good example is flag burning. You burn the Union Jack in England during a England National Team match and no one cares (we know this true because it was recently done). Try burning an American flag during the Super Bowl and watch what happens - they would go nuts.

    Another example, insult British as a people and for the most part, if in the context of comedy they will accept it.

    You insult the entire American public, even if you are American, and comedian or not you are in trouble. Just google Rosanne Barr National Anthem. Basically she sang the Anthem really bad, intentionally possibly and at the end spat. The entire American public was in an uproar.

    So Niall do you actually think they would not be offended by you calling them all stupid and fat? Think again and all you who can not see past your own values and find the need to insult, well shame on you. You are neither clever or correct.

    I would really like a response from you Niall, "Robbo" since you have no problem dishing out the insults. Be a man and answer to the response.

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  • 286. At 12:34pm on 04 Jun 2009, youngblueblood wrote:

    really simple truth, u are one hell of a great writer. i can't help but admire your prowess.but for shit's sake, take it easy dude. are you thinking about taking over robbo's job or something?.i'm sure the top dogs at the beebs are really following your comments...but i must let you know mate,your comments are by a mile out of context. Robbo's blogs are meant to ruffle feathers. But i'm a bit lost with that robbo bloke these days, cos as far back as i can remember, he has his money on us winning the champions league but the last time i checked, he's doing a "brucey" or should i say a "redknapp" by switching allegience so fast and even wishing us bad. yeah! that's the bad one there. kinda like that swipe at (hasungotta) kalou. how did you come about that name? guys it's high time we quited this bore fest racist crap and have some fun with robbo. is it me or has anyone noticed the change in robbo's language? it sure dented the fun..i really need an explanation!!!

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  • 287. At 1:02pm on 04 Jun 2009, SimpleTruth09 wrote:

    Well youngblueblood it is true it appears overboard but I have written him before. He has a very "I don't care who gets angry attitude".

    So I have asked him to reply. Problem is I get the groupies responding for him. Its not like the guy is incapable of responding himself.

    So, ok its cool. We will just see what he says

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  • 288. At 2:44pm on 04 Jun 2009, Journeyman wrote:

    TrotterUSA i like you

    However i dont like orange men, i never will. They dont belong around these here parts

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  • 289. At 11:05pm on 05 Jun 2009, iplusplus wrote:

    Millonarios, hmmmmmm, what a wonderfully meaningless comment there. Obviously I've not heard of the word mercenary before Cheslkis millions because, of course, the whole world revolves around them and so everyone must govern their knowledge acquisition and lives around them! Tell me, do you like laying into people who speak their mind (or the truth) because you're physically incabable of doing so yourself and so feel inferior? Obviously you fill the criteria of a glory-hunter as otherwise you wouldn't have taken offence to what I wrote. I bet if Arsenal win the title next year you'll be thier biggest life-long fan.

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