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Taking the Mike

Robbo Robson | 12:13 UK time, Monday, 15 September 2008

I've tried loads of times to begin this blog about the latest goings on at Newcastle United but you know what - it's impossible to know where to start. so I'm going to go to the basics - the Toon Army.

Now, I know a lot of Geordies - and most of 'em have a healthy sense of humour. But put 'em in a barcode outfit and stand 'em on the terraces and they go mental.

First of all, let's get it clear. Sam Allardyce's reign produced deathly dull football but the team weren't doing much worse than normal in terms of points.

When Big Sam was shown the door and Ashley consulted his tea leaves to get a replacement, there wasn't a thinking person in the whole country who didn't think that Keegan's return was going to lead to disaster.

He is football's version of the Runaway Bride, although I reckon Julia Roberts has more underarm hair and is less prone to a hissy-fit.

Just to prove that this was a decision motivated entirely by sentiment, the chairman popped into his own shop and bought a jersey with "King Kev" on the back and sank lager in the stands like a natural.

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Now this is a bloke who's a billionaire - a business success story and some. He gets up to Newcastle and his brain and belly turn to jelly.

On the one hand Ashley plays the "I'm one of you" card - on the other hand he tries to play the businessman.

It's like Del Boy Trotter has bought the gaff and employed Rodney and Trigger to help him out.

No-one really ever bought the "man of the people" act and now it turns out his true loyalty is to the mates he brought in, and not the club. And that's his biggest misjudgement.

He's not one of the boys no matter how many XXXXXXXL footy shirts he buys, no matter how many pints he sinks, no matter how many times he sings the Blaydon Bloody Races. But Keegan is.

Keegan's exactly like your average Toonite - passionate, over-expectant, a bit irrational. He loves attacking free-flowing stuff - he's all for 4-3 rather than 1-0.

And he nearly did it before. He nearly fulfilled the dream. To be honest, Kev, we'd all have "loved it" if you had.

So Ashley has drawn on the sloppy sentiment of the fans without understanding the true meaning of what he did. And now they feel betrayed. He's turned from the Angel Gabriel into Judas in a few short months.

And Kev's walked (obviously straight out of the door across the Tyne without getting his two-inch heels wet if you believe the Gallowgate End).

In a nutshell, what Ashley didn't get was that if you want to stay on the side of the believers, then it's best if you don't undermine God. He's committed blasphemy, which was why he didn't show up on Saturday to the Hull game (Mind you, neither did the team and who can blame them?).

The thing I really don't get - and maybe I'm jealous cos we Teessiders learnt long ago that we should be grateful for what we get - is where all this massive expectation comes from.

I mean, Newcastle United have won precisely nowt for nigh on 50 years. That's diddly, nada, zilch. In that same period the FA Cup has been won by Sunderland, Southampton, Portsmouth, West Ham, Spurs...

The League Cup has been won by Boro, Villa, Leicester, Norwich, Oxford Bleeding United, Wolves, even the League somehow found its way into the hands of Leeds, Derby, Forest, Villa, Everton.

In all that time, Newcastle have done nothing. So where does this inner-belief come from?

When a woman says "he ruined me life", you've got to ask whether that woman ought to have more important things to worry about.

I mean, I love Middlesbrough football club but I don't think Bryan Robson made me suicidal - he just made me bloody miserable for a bit.

Ashley's put the 'For Sale' sign up but you've got to ask who's going to want to fork out money to get this sort of treatment from a group of fans living on virtually non-existent past glories?

Ashley put 250 million quid into the club and it's still struggling financially. That aside, Ashley has been a disaster but until the fans get a grip on reality it's going to be an impossible job for anyone.

We seem to be saying this about Newcastle every three months but whoever comes in now needs to be given time, lots of time, be it owner, chairman, manager, director of football, or even tea boy.

What's more likely to happen is that there'll be a glorious sentimental cartel of great Geordies from popular culture who'll form a showbiz take-over.

Just imagine Alan Shearer, Mark Knopfler, Sting, and Brian Ferry singing Brothers in Arms as they mount a podium at the centre of St. James' Park, while the chairmen Ant 'n' Dec look on with pints in their hands and pride in their hearts.

Actually that won't happen cos it might work. Let's be realistic: what does a prospective buyer need to be successful?

They need to be:

(A) Local
(B) Thicker-skinned than Simon Cowell
(C) Richer than one of me Nan's Christmas puddings
(D) Maybe a bit delusional
(E) Probably a bit stupid

Well, there's only one person that fits the bill if you ask me - Heather Mills, your time has come.

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  • 1. At 2:00pm on 15 Sep 2008, FreddyOfGreggs wrote:

    Hey Robbo, I reckon you are

    (D) and (E)

    Just so you know.

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  • 2. At 2:03pm on 15 Sep 2008, SuperStrikerShivam wrote:

    Newcastle are messed up. End of disscussion.

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  • 3. At 2:03pm on 15 Sep 2008, joebloggins wrote:

    Had I been the Sheikh's I would have bought Newcastle long before even thinking of Man C (they thought they were buying Man U). Now though methinks the protestations have gone too far and
    probably any prospective new owner
    will have gone back into the long grass.
    The reason buying that the fans have set the pre-requisite that bringing Keegan back is above all else. The only answer is for the fans to buy the club, no one else wants it, including Ashley.

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  • 4. At 2:05pm on 15 Sep 2008, powerFF4 wrote:

    And he nearly did it before. He nearly fulfilled the dream. To be honest, Kev, we'd all have "loved it" if you had.



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    HAHAAA


    touche.

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  • 5. At 2:07pm on 15 Sep 2008, auntchristmas wrote:

    Nice one Robbo, you hit the nail on the head. Just because 40,000 odd thousand fans turn up to watch the game doesn't mean their a big club. The new owner of Newcastle would need to get a sense of perspective when the come in as King Kev was totally right about hs "top four" statement not so long ago.

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  • 6. At 2:07pm on 15 Sep 2008, RubberNutz wrote:

    What I don't get about this is that Ashley refused to give any ground to Keegan on the issue of control, but is now going himself anyway... The only reason that I can think of is pig-headed pride.

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  • 7. At 2:12pm on 15 Sep 2008, auntchristmas wrote:

    just to add aswell, i think Shearer needs to step up to the plate as Manager so Newcastle as a club can exorcise this demon that's been hanging over their shoulders since he's retired. Once he gets a crack then everybody knows whether he can improve things or not and then they can look elsewhere if needed. Unless, Keegan comes back in under new owners but i don't think he will fancy it again after getting his fingers burnt.

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  • 8. At 2:17pm on 15 Sep 2008, jsfain wrote:

    Robbo, nail on the head man.
    Keegan is great but he's a runner, and arrogant at thet.

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  • 9. At 2:22pm on 15 Sep 2008, ensign92 wrote:

    what an entertaining and true Blog. this person must be a journalist.
    i am afraid Mr Ashley didnt take into account that we Geordie do have our pride and our faults and through the hard times we have only had the TEAM to keep us going and therefore when someone starts pi££ing us about then we turn on them, not physically as he thinks, dont know where he got that from, verbal yes but no ruff stuff.
    if only he could compromise, get rid of Wise and let Kevin control the team, but alas he is too bull headed.

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  • 10. At 2:25pm on 15 Sep 2008, Oxfordfox wrote:

    Robbo, for the first time ever, dull.

    Nothing new or interesting in this article, nothing you didn't say last week. Newcastle are messed up, Ashley is part of the reason, Keegan another part and the fans the rest. Just them and every other club who's going through the mill then.

    Looking forward to a more interesting article next week mate...

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  • 11. At 2:26pm on 15 Sep 2008, Rabster wrote:

    Almost every word accurate.
    Newcastle fans need to take a chill pill for a year or two and allow someone to develop the club. Presently they are more or less the laughing stock of English football.
    Kev, you are well out of it...Mr Shearer don't even think of it. This article could be reprinted in 20 years time unless some major attitudes change amongst the deluded faithful. Sad but true.

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  • 12. At 2:27pm on 15 Sep 2008, Sam wrote:

    By all accounts, they didn't have such 'great' fans when they were down the divisions in the 1980s and attendances were under 10,000. The fans are no better than those of Man City, Everton, Aston Villa, West Ham, Sunderland etc...

    They had a couple of seasons in the sun during the 1990s but, just like Leeds, must now accept that their time has passed... at least for the foreseeable future.

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  • 13. At 2:27pm on 15 Sep 2008, Standupifyou'veseenOwen wrote:

    Hey Robbo. I hope to hell Bryan Ferry isn't in the consortium as he's a Mackem! If he isn't he has kept things quieter than White Hart Lane and the Emirates put together. You are falling into our trap (everyone from south of the the Western Bypass is a southerner) - no doubt everyone north of Sedgefield is a Geordie to you.

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  • 14. At 2:28pm on 15 Sep 2008, LuigiGLFC wrote:

    I think Robbo's right when he says (one of) Ashley's mistakes has been to mix business with pleasure.

    But Ashley also made what I see to be a perfectly fair point; why should he keep putting his hands in his pockets to fund a club where he's not made to feel welcome?

    I'm a passionate football fan, but when football 'passion' controls a person to the extent it drives you to hurl abuse at someone - particularly someone who's put £250m in your club - that person needs help.

    For example, the woman on the news who said her life was over now Keegan's gone! Get a grip (or proper life), love!

    Newcastle fans are entitled to be hopeful about winning trophies (cups, not league...), especially with such a large fan base, but be realistic, please. And get some perspective!

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  • 15. At 2:30pm on 15 Sep 2008, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Now I can only apologise for including Ferry in the piece if he is indeed a Mackem. Sorry Mr. Ferry. And if you don't like Roxy Music - and I thought all that Avalon stuff was b0ll0x - then I apologise to you Loony Toons n all.

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  • 16. At 2:30pm on 15 Sep 2008, toonguybri wrote:

    If the Dubai royal family / Indian billionaire Anil Ambani buy the club (as the Daily Express say) they will more than likely try to bring Keegan back - they know the Toon love him. If he declines; just who wants to be the magpies manager?

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  • 17. At 2:32pm on 15 Sep 2008, Standupifyou'veseenOwen wrote:

    Apology accepted Robbo. If I venture abroad for my holidays this year and come to the deep south I might offer to buy you a pint (just one)!

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  • 18. At 2:33pm on 15 Sep 2008, rogerbold wrote:

    Hmmm.

    Keegan was right about his top four comment. It was the main difference from now and the last time he was in charge of Newcastle. There's absolutely no chance that any club is able to break the cartel currently occupied by the big four and football is worse off because of it.

    Nobody wants to see money win games but that's exactly what is happening.

    As for Newcastle... well they have the right to expect big. They are the biggest club in the North East by far. They have the biggest stadium and fanbase in this part of the world. Expectation doesn't come from trophies it comes from passion. Far better to be an expectant Geordie than a glory hunting Manc or Chelsea fan.

    Passion dictates that every season is your season. Every game is winnable and anything is possible. That is the creed of the Newcastle fan. Not trophes although they could do with a few.
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  • 19. At 2:34pm on 15 Sep 2008, Pottsy84 wrote:

    I think Ashley would not have had these problems- at least not to extent to which they have emerged- had he been more candid about the state of the club in the time after he bought it.

    It's a well-known fact- which nevertheless amazes me- that running Newcastle is a massive PR battle.

    A few months ago, Ashley mentioned the state the club was in financially, about the millions of pounds of debt and the front-loaded sponsorship, and all the fans sort of nodded, blamed Freddy Shepard and forgot all about it.

    If he had used these facts as tools to legitimise his projects at the club in the eyes of the fans they would have been more accepting.

    What we saw was Dennis Wise appointed and kind of hovering over Keegan's shoulder, NOT as part of the bright new future of NUFC, but as an interfering influence.

    I think the fans, for all their love for Keegan, might not have reacted so spectacularly if it had been clearer what was going on. I think a lot of the anger was directed at the fact that the club is unstable, looks ridiculous and has done for years, and just when we had someone we could all get behind he was apparently forced out.

    But the fact that the national media were all reporting Keegan's sacking two days before he in fact resigned illustrate how badly-understood the relationships within the club were by people outside the club. Ashley doesn't have to explain to the customers of Sports World why the business decisions are taken the way they are, but football is an entertainment industry, with an audience, who have reacted badly to a situation they were ill informed about.

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  • 20. At 2:35pm on 15 Sep 2008, PoorDom wrote:

    The majority of the fans are want a stable club and are happy to wait on success. They want to feel they are being told the truth, difficult or otherwise, and the owners have ambition on good play and increasing standards. These fans are people who are aware of economic realities but also know the support base, commercial base and potential of the club. Ashley lied, brought in people without credibility in their positions as the fans seen it and betrayed teh manager who they implicitly trusted. The level of organisation of the protests shows the sense of betrayal across the city.
    This is what keeping in touch with the area should be about. If you present a vision or strategy, back it up with credibility and tell the truth to the club's fans then you will get support. It is not dependent on Keegan or any individual. You will not please everyone but you will please the vast majority. The fans are emotional and fervent but it is poor journalism to mistake that for a lack of realism among the majority of any football club's fans including Newcastle's fans.

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  • 21. At 2:36pm on 15 Sep 2008, hameau02 wrote:

    Spot on Robbo. Small team living off past memories that most of the fans are too young to remember. Cannot stand the team or the self proclaimed 'best fans in Britain' - hope they get exactly what they deserve and become the next Leeds.

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  • 22. At 2:36pm on 15 Sep 2008, gay fish wrote:

    Newcastle won the first division not so long ago. They also had at one time possibly the greatest and most unlikely scoring partnership I have ever had the opportunity to watch in Cole and Beardsley. Those were the days. What Newcastle (and England) wouldn't give for 2 players like this nowadays.

    Using the B C D E you have described the characteristics of the next possible manager: Terry Venables. Don't think you will find anyone with the money that the toon army want who has all five of the A-E's.

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  • 23. At 2:38pm on 15 Sep 2008, oliveryeates wrote:

    As a Newcastle fan I find this whole situation really difficult to watch. What has happened in the past 2 weeks has done nothing but embarrass the club and us the supporters.

    We really need to think long and hard about what we expect to achieve and not self-destruct like this every time we go through a period of uncertainty.

    We are not as big as we imagine and true long term success does not come overnight.

    Building a strong and successful team and back room staff takes time and plenty of patients.

    I really believe this is what Mike Ashley wanted to achieve and I think his major floor has been to listen to the supporters too much and losing focus on the long term plans.

    Keegan was not long term - he never has been. I really love the guy but we need to move on - those days are gone and the game has moved on.

    Top players now cost tens of millions - decisions to buy players at this cost needs careful business planning and the right people to make the decision for the club long term, not just for the next game.

    I am disappointed with the Newcastle fans who all have vented their fury without thinking first - we are now in a bigger mess than before.

    I really hope this unmanageable club becomes manageable again and we don't loose too much in the process.

    Newcastle fans it is time to change...

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  • 24. At 2:40pm on 15 Sep 2008, akinrade3103 wrote:

    Newcastle fans were always saying how they just wanted to be entertained. Well I'm finding this pretty entertaining. I totally agree that the Newcastle fans are completely dillusional. All 92 league clubs want success, but it seems the Geordies think that if they cry hard enough they'll get it.

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  • 25. At 2:41pm on 15 Sep 2008, Lennonisagod wrote:

    Quieter than White Hart Lane eh? Have you ever been there- no, thought not mate jog on.
    Newcastle are a joke, I thought at first Keegan was right to walk out but now it seems as if Ashley just said no more transfers- fair enough he is the one controlling the money and if you don't like it then quit- thats what keegan is, a quitter. Ashley won't put any more money into the club now and if a buyer isn't found then NU will have to sell their 'best' players, goodbye Owen, Martins, Taylor, N'Zogbia...

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  • 26. At 2:42pm on 15 Sep 2008, toonguybri wrote:

    hey hameau02, it's not self-proclaimed that newcastle are best fans in britain, this title was givin to the mags years ago. What other club in Europe would fill their stadium week after week - and not won a trophy since the Fairs' cup? You don't know what your talking about.

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  • 27. At 2:45pm on 15 Sep 2008, Standupifyou'veseenOwen wrote:

    It makes you wonder what sort of businessman he is. Who would buy a club without doing any financial due diligence - that is sending in teams of lawyers and accountants to examine things like contracts (be it for players, sponsors or transfers), cash flow and the liabilities that must be met. If he found these things after the event then 'caveat emptor' - the buyer beware - would leave him with egg on his face. He will have agreed to buy and acknowledged that he was happy with what he had heard/seen so far and he could only get back at the Halls and Fat Freddy if they had told a load of 'porkies'. But if he did buy the club after the 'due diligence' process he should shut up as he knew what he was in for as any accountant or lawyer worth the title would have put him straight.
    It all smacks of buying the club quickly as he wanted to make a turn by selling it on at a big profit (and very quickly thereafter). This story has surfaced more times than Captain Nemo and there's no smoke without fire.

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  • 28. At 2:45pm on 15 Sep 2008, RONALDOMILESAHEAD wrote:

    "fans living on virtually non-existent past glories?"
    ------------------------------------------
    Spot on.!

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  • 29. At 2:47pm on 15 Sep 2008, Bumdiwold wrote:

    Relegation would do Newcastle a big favour.
    Allow them to all 'pull together' to 'make a come back'.
    Give them a realistic sight of the level of footbal they are playing and calm things for a couple of years.
    I guess any Geordie would say it's not really an option though...

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  • 30. At 2:51pm on 15 Sep 2008, Pottsy84 wrote:

    Hameau02:

    "Cannot stand the team or the self proclaimed 'best fans in Britain' - hope they get exactly what they deserve and become the next Leeds."


    Do you really believe that journalists portray the views of "normal" Newcastle fans? Or do you think they might, just possibly, pick the vox pops which are the most provocative?


    If you knew anything about football you wouldn't wish what happened to Leeds on anybody. Grow up.

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  • 31. At 2:51pm on 15 Sep 2008, Nick wrote:

    Who cares if the article was funny or not; the fact is everything you said Robbo is true.

    That stupid woman whose life is in "ruins" is the type of stupid comment I expect from Newcastle fans; such as the one where that person said "let's get some oil money in".

    You can guarantee if that happened the supports would soon deride the owners for not being Geordies.

    So they hate Ashley because he is not a Geordie...but they want some Middle-East businessman to own the club...?

    Delusional, crazy and insane.

    Oxymoron, thy name is NUFC fans.

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  • 32. At 2:51pm on 15 Sep 2008, Standupifyou'veseenOwen wrote:

    Relegation as the cure for all ills - ask any fan of Leeds, Forest, Sheffield Wednesday and Leicester whether that was the answer to their problems. We have to regroup now and get on with things. It could be worse - remember 1977/78 and Mrs T was just around the corner!

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  • 33. At 2:52pm on 15 Sep 2008, Oxfordfox wrote:

    Pottsy84 - 100% spot on.

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  • 34. At 2:53pm on 15 Sep 2008, toonguybri wrote:

    Hope you're not looking for someone to agree with you on that Bumdiwold - any football supporter would be insane to 'want' his/her team to be relegated.

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  • 35. At 2:59pm on 15 Sep 2008, Pottsy84 wrote:

    And sorry to people who've stated otherwise (Robbo, I think this is the first time I've not agreed with you), but since when did people from Doncaster consider themselves Geordies?????

    Is KK also a Scouser? More to the point, is he a Hamburger?

    We don't need a geordie, we just need someone to stay there for a couple of years.

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  • 36. At 2:59pm on 15 Sep 2008, DanishGeordie wrote:

    Seriously, why does anyone believe that we (the Newcastle fans) have such unrealistic expectations? The thing is that we don't really expect to win titles all the time, or to play in Europe every year. It would be great, but looking at the league at this current time, we blew our chance to consolidate our position in the top several years back due to bad decisions on hiring managers/signing players. We just want someone to bring our club forward, and if we can see actual progress, then it doesn't really matter how much time it takes. I think what really makes us angry about this situation is that not only have we lost a man who was looking like being able to bring the club forward while delivering some good football along but also that the club was reduced to another freaking soap opera which was eerily reminiscent of the god awful last few years of the Shepherd regime.

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  • 37. At 3:03pm on 15 Sep 2008, BigTrevsHead wrote:

    The problem with all these new club owners is that they want some control.

    The age of the old British manager is coming to an end. Owners want a long term plan for squad building, not a single person who decides all squad based dealings, which to be frank only works on a long term basis - Ferguson, Wenger etc.

    When you give a manger total control and he does not deliver in a couple of years he is out (esp at Newcastle) so a new one is brought in but he wont come unless he has total control and stacks of cash. So you end up in a cycle of spend, spend, spend with no continuity.

    No wonder modern businessmen club owners want the power in the club to be diluted so that a long term plan can be formulated and maybe even followed.

    Still if you install this type of system after you employ your manager who left before when it was attempted was pretty stupid for a guy who has to be pretty sharp to become as wealthy as he has.

    One thing I dont get is all the anger aimed at Wise, I didn't like him much as a player but he has been brought in to do a job which his boss clearly wants but the manger does not. So there is friction at the work place - but that is not Wise's fault it is most certainly Ashley's. But then the prospect of Wise managing my club would a chilling prospect ;)

    But sadly these days Football is a business and has to be run as one and if you only look at the short term then give what happened to Leeds careful scrutiny ....

    As to those that say Ashley should swallow his pride and give Keegan total control, then they clearly didn't get the point of Ashley's statement. There is no way as a successful businessman is he going to do that and end up being blamed for lack of signings because the club/he cannot afford. Because that is what will happen if Newcastle are not successful, the fans will never blame Keegan, and to be honest Keegan only does well when he spends lots and lots of cash. You just got to look at his spending at all the other cluibs he has been at.


    ok ramble over ;)

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  • 38. At 3:04pm on 15 Sep 2008, JDbinky wrote:

    You just don't get it.

    Newcastle fans dont expect to be top 4, dont expect to be even uefa cup at the minute or buying shevchenko, Robinho etc.

    This hole thing wasn't about that.It was because of Ashley, Wise etc and the way they treated Keegan.

    Say what u like about Keegan but he is a decent fella and only wanted good things for newcastle. There are numerous quotes from Messrs Ashley and Wise about Keegan having the final say on transfers and such like and now they have changed all that and put him in a position where he couldn't continue.

    Which self-respecting manager would stay at a job where all of a sudden he gets told by a little cockney dwarf(who has sod all managing success) who they are buying. Even Wenger and Ferguson say they wouldnt work in a job like that.

    That is why its kicked off, that isnt how you should treat someone who is newcastle through and through and the fans weren't gonna let them carry on without letting them know that.

    So maybe next time dont be so arrogant that you think you know what we are thinking up here coz you aint got a clue.

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  • 39. At 3:04pm on 15 Sep 2008, Gary wrote:

    You say money is ruling the top four, maybe so but at least one team isnt spending 50 million a year on players in that bunch ;)

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  • 40. At 3:05pm on 15 Sep 2008, supersaltyleg wrote:

    Well done Robbo,

    Another amusing and accurate portrait of the worse fans in the premiership. Glad they don't support my club. I can only think that someone who needs the money will take up the managers post. More chance of the monkey hangers winning something.

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  • 41. At 3:05pm on 15 Sep 2008, betweenthesticks wrote:

    Good blog Robbo. As a Toon fan, it's nice to see a bit of humour after a couple of weeks that have been particularly grim for the leaky old ship NUFC and who (against their better judgment) sail in her.

    I agree with most of what you say, and I think some of our fans let us down with their blind reverence for King Kev. He's a legend but I always had lingering doubts about whether he could stand the politics, pressure, greed and top-four monopoly of the modern Premier League. Let's face it, it was always going to end in tears, it was just a question of when.

    What I do take issue with is that you're yet again trotting out this old cliche that All Newcastle Fans Have Massive Egos, Think Their Club Is the Best In the Country And Expect To Win Loads Of Trophies Within The Next Two Years.

    Utterly wrong. Every Newcastle fan I know (not the unrepresentative minority who turn up for news broadcasts outside SJP) hopes for nothing more than a little bit of progress, some belief on the pitch, some decent investment (at least to keep pace with our fellow mid-table rivals), maybe a glimpse of flair if we're lucky, and a feeling that we're moving forwards, not backwards. Is that ridiculous over-expectation?

    If Newcastle fans are guilty of anything, it's their continuing loyalty and faith in a club whose various owners keep letting them down so spectacularly. But too many people misinterprate that as stupidity, ignorance over-expectancy.

    And if fans deserted the club in difficult times, we'd be accused of being fickle and disloyal.

    We can't win. And I mean that in every possible sense at the moment.


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  • 42. At 3:05pm on 15 Sep 2008, johnny1977 wrote:

    I agree.

    I am a newcastle fan - let's make that clear.

    I'm actually getting so bored of the situation. Totally bored.

    The average geordie needs to get it into their head that we're not a big club. We just aren't. We've won nowt for as long as i've been around. The FA cup donkey's years ago and the fairs cup don't count. Stop saying we're a big club.

    The stadium and fan base is superb but we've really got to lower our expectations - i'm just fed up with being the laughing stock.

    I want to start reading positive stuff on the bbc website soon. Everyday it's just something else.

    there - i've had my rant.

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  • 43. At 3:05pm on 15 Sep 2008, simmo62 wrote:

    Hey, can we clear up the misrepresentation that Ashley put in 250 million to the club. That number includes the 134 million that he paid the previous ownership and most (or all) of it he will recover when he sells. He can really only claim 110 million as an investment in the club.

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  • 44. At 3:06pm on 15 Sep 2008, Pottsy84 wrote:

    DanishGeordie- quality:

    "I think what really makes us angry about this situation is that not only have we lost a man who was looking like being able to bring the club forward while delivering some good football along but also that the club was reduced to another freaking soap opera which was eerily reminiscent of the god awful last few years of the Shepherd regime. "


    Ooooooooooooooooooooooh yes. I'm still having the flashbacks, mate.

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  • 45. At 3:08pm on 15 Sep 2008, Gary wrote:

    simmo62 only 110 million? jeez some clubs would kill for that kind of investment

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  • 46. At 3:09pm on 15 Sep 2008, Tatloaf wrote:

    Amazing people are having a pop at Wise. Finally Newcastle are buying players who appear capable at this standard in Colocini/Xisco/Gutierrez and the person responsible is getting a hard time!!

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  • 47. At 3:16pm on 15 Sep 2008, LuigiGLFC wrote:

    BigTrevsHead - I completely agree with you. The times they are a-changin'!

    I also agree that if Dennis Wise was employed as anything but a tea-boy (right size) at the club I support I would not be happy!

    For all his faults, you can blame 'King' Kev for not wanting to take advice from the ironically-named Wise!

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  • 48. At 3:16pm on 15 Sep 2008, kenyon68 wrote:

    Toon fan - We need to get some things clear, not all Toon fans are dellusional. We know we are not going to realistically win anything, but we hope (dont expect, HOPE). We are a big UNSUCCESSFUL club, but still a big club. Modern history is rubbish trophies wise, but we still have a rich History (yeah its over 50 years but so what).

    I have read Ashleys article and to be fair to the bloke he is spot on. He made one mistake appointing Keegan, not because Kev was not the right bloke, but because he wasnt the right bloke to work in his structure. He has always been his own man, his influences (based on Liverpool) are Shankly and Paisley, both independent men who did it there way. Yeah he is tempermental, but Mike knew that before hiring him.

    I respect Ashley, he has bailed us out a lot financially, he just made a mistake hiring someone who didnt want to work the way he wanted them to work (thats his mistake though).

    Lets get real though he aint Evil, just a bloke trying his best who made a mistake. Let move on and get behind the team, lets get our faces on the telly cause we cheer team, not cause we are moaning about things out of our control whilst drinking bottles of white lightning making the country laugh at us more on SKY (who also love us gannin on crackers for their camera's)...

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  • 49. At 3:17pm on 15 Sep 2008, thebonnick wrote:

    I see a few times Keegan's comment about not breaking into the top four is mentioned. I fully admire Kev for making the statement; not for being bold but for the acknowledgement of the truth.
    As an Orient supporter I have spent my years relishing the chances passed by time and again hoping to celebrate minor achievements - selling a player for a healty profit; promotion or a good cup run (all of which have come to pass in the last 3 years I might add). These, to we E10 fans is a real cause for jollity and celebration. But recently I have taken to watching a bit of Premiership football thanks, in large, to mates who support big sides; including a Magpies fan. But, to be honest, I still find the basement end of the division more entertaining than the inevitable top-four finish. Will Reading survive relegation ahead of Fulham... for example, was more thrilling for me, as an outsider, than will Man Utd outspend Chelsea this year or will L'pool balls up again under pressure.

    I guess my point is Keegan said aloud what too few footballing professionals are prepared to say. Do they fear the repurcusions? Do they doubt it? I'd certainly eat my hat if just once an unexpected event shook the beautiful game... like Pompey winning the cup...... ah dang!

    ~gets the sauce~

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  • 50. At 3:18pm on 15 Sep 2008, Dave Thompson wrote:

    Leeds won the league 3 times in the 50 years 'the toon' has won bugger all!

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  • 51. At 3:22pm on 15 Sep 2008, RefMinor wrote:

    Come on all you Geodies, do an FC United, leave that decent Mike Ashley to rot whilst you all go down the road to support King Kev FC. That way you can be finally happy.

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  • 52. At 3:24pm on 15 Sep 2008, tarquin wrote:

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  • 53. At 3:28pm on 15 Sep 2008, toonguybri wrote:

    reforse…should've went to brainSAVERS

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  • 54. At 3:34pm on 15 Sep 2008, BlueskyToon wrote:

    Robbo, you state "I know a lot of Geordies..."

    Then you state "Newcastle United have won precisely nowt for nigh on 50 years. That's diddly, nada, zilch. ... In all that time, Newcastle have done nothing. So where does this inner-belief come from?"

    I'd just like to ask, what is this "inner-belief" you are talking about? What kind of Geordies do you know?

    The fallacy that Newcastle fans have massive, over-stated expectations is just not true! Have you asked your so called 'Geordie friends' lately what expectations they had at the start of the season, or the last, or the one before that? All the true fans I know would say "We expect commitment, good football and hopefully a top half finish, a season that we can move forward from, one where we can say, we did our best and had a good year."

    Unfortunately we havent had those expectations for many a year, but we certainly do not believe any more than that.

    So please, if you are going to state the beliefs of Newcastle fans, please ask their opinion first, and not just follow the mass consensus, that is unfounded.

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  • 55. At 3:35pm on 15 Sep 2008, toonstripes wrote:

    As behalf of being a Newcastle fan, I went to the match on Saturday and it was dreadful. We played dreadful. Myself, I live in Bolton, I travel up there and to the away games as often as I can and I have supported Newcastle all my life. These past 2 weeks has disappointed me, When I were at the game on Saturday, there wasn't any support or even fans there, just protest after protest, and this gave the team nothing but shame and disloyalty for playing for the club.
    Obviously Mike Ashley has just ruined the club and the appointment of Dennis Wise didn't help, and the geordie fans never liked it. I was supporting the team all I could on saturday and was trying to get the past 2 weeks out of my mind. But there was just no support. We need a new owner as quick as possible and dennis wise gone. We need Kevin back and the players back. If KK isnt the next manager then the person who takes over the reigns NEEDS TIME to get this club going, and a lot of it. He needs the financial side and the time and also the breathing space.

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  • 56. At 3:39pm on 15 Sep 2008, riffler wrote:

    The fans aren't going to connect with reality until both Keegan and Shearer have had a go, with £200m+ no-questions-asked transfer budgets and both failed spectacularly.

    Shearer has more sense than to even consider the job. He can't rule himself out, because the fans would never forgive him, but he'll never drink from that particular poisoned chalice.

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  • 57. At 3:41pm on 15 Sep 2008, David wrote:

    All of this adds up if you are certain that Keegan did not over-react and throw his toys out the pram when a compromise was still possible.
    After all Keegan left, wasn't sacked and is playing his card, ie: Newcsatle supporters think he can do no wrong.
    All I see now is that all 3 parties, manager, directors and supporters are slinging mud whilst the North East' most precious asset suffers.
    Some or all of these parties need the guts to put their ego's in the cupboard and get on with making NUFC a better place.

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  • 58. At 3:41pm on 15 Sep 2008, thebonnick wrote:

    A lot of Geordies are saying it is a misconception that they have such high expectations and that instead they ask only for commitment, good football and ideally a top 10 finish.

    That's still a pretty high expectation!

    Commitment? Barton is about the most committed if saturday's highlights were anything to go by (other than Guthrie's tackle now I think about it).

    Good Football? Big Sam played a drab flairless style but got results as often as not. If I were a Newcastle fan not on the terraces I wouldn't care too deeply about the quality of my team's footie... I would want results.

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  • 59. At 3:41pm on 15 Sep 2008, royalfulhambroadway wrote:

    43. At 3:05pm on 15 Sep 2008, simmo62 wrote:

    Hey, can we clear up the misrepresentation that Ashley put in 250 million to the club. That number includes the 134 million that he paid the previous ownership and most (or all) of it he will recover when he sells. He can really only claim 110 million as an investment in the club.

    You may know about football mate, but definitely you know nothing about 'investment'. 134 million is an investment from Ashley's point of view. It may not be from the club's. So then he invested 250 million of his own money!

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  • 60. At 3:42pm on 15 Sep 2008, aka_bluepeter wrote:

    Advert for the job of Newcastle manager should be 'Delusional Motor Mouth who knows nothing about football and has and endless supply of dummies to spit out'

    Heather Mills...brilliant...just brilliant....perfect for the job!

    Please put an offer in Heather. You'll then be adored at last by someone... all the bar coders.

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  • 61. At 3:45pm on 15 Sep 2008, Eewires wrote:

    This just gets worse and worse. Whatever Keegan may have done in the past he has left. The man who owns your club wants a particular structure to take the club forward and KK did not fit so he walked.
    NOBODY DIED.

    I was disappointed to hear a toon fan on the telly yesterday refuse to condemn violent threats to Ashley, but repeatedly say when invited to do so that Ashley had not behaved fairly to KK and that Wise should be sacked. I do not believe that the vast majority of Newcastle fans would wish any harm on anyone (my experience is that they are the best natured fans around generally), but there seems to be a complete loss of perspective over this current issue.

    Ashley did not want Keegan to leave, but was not prepared to change his blueprint for the club to accomodate Keegan's wishes. It is Ashley's club and his right to decide how he wants it to run. I say again, he did not want Keegan to leave, just to follow the system that he had put in. If your bosses come and tell you that they have re-structured the business and you don't like that you have the option to put up with it or quit. KK chose to quit.

    Support your team, support the new manager and win some games. You have the players to finish at least in the top 10 if not higher, but you will go down if you continue to be in the chaos that is currently going on, and most neutrals would not want that to happen. We like your club, we like your fans, but please get real.

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  • 62. At 3:45pm on 15 Sep 2008, mindthegjc wrote:

    If Ashley installed bars to serve Newcastle Brown,lager e.t.c., instead of the usual pie,bovril et al, he wouldn't have any problems with the fans.

    In fact, it's his round.

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  • 63. At 3:58pm on 15 Sep 2008, Funkysm wrote:

    Past glories is a statement that many clubs can claim , but can not reproduce in any area so should west ham bring back Bobby or even city lament Sir Matt Buzby no these are the past and Newcastle Fans proberly think Malcome Macdonald but even then the club was an also ran . The problem isnt breaking into the top four how many years has Arsenal been so close they can taste it but not given the fans a trophy granted it nothing like the Enormous expance of time the Geordies have had to endure , But Arsenal are a massive club with excellent financial backing but suffer from the lack of a truly deep squad which it takes to win the mayor trophys , A fact Man City are about to learn one player means nothing he needs a team around him, The front 3 at Utd has a worth of over $100 million without counting Ronaldo but someone still has to pass them the ball , So screaming about the 250 Ashley poured into the club doesnt mean much these days, Look at the squads on the pitch at Anfield on saturday the monitary value is stagering and again without Torres or Ronaldo. Keegan was absolutly correct with his top four comment and as much as the toon army doesnt want to hear it they are not a couple of wins away , They are a hundreds of millions away that is the fact with modern football so how long before they would have turned on King Kev when they worked out a popular manager doesnt mean winning anything , Yes they have as good a shot at a trophy as any in the league , but no shot what so ever at the league so breaking into the top four doesnt mean you are going to win, it means you get to go to europe but the current squad in either cup would be a laughing stock

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  • 64. At 3:59pm on 15 Sep 2008, Diogenes wrote:

    So Ashley wants two hundred and fifty million for the club. Given there's around fifty thousand supporters, if they all chip in five thousand each, they can buy the club and make it the People's Co-operative of Newcastle United, limited.

    If anyone's a bit short of cash, they can nip down the Northern Rock and take out a loan.

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  • 65. At 3:59pm on 15 Sep 2008, DavePrice wrote:

    Robbo,

    As Tony Green (forghorn voiced sidekick to the great "smashing super lovely" Jim Bowen) would say:

    "Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin One" !!

    The fans are the entire cause of the problems at Newcastle. Completely and utterly delusional.

    They don't need a manager and an Owner with deep pockets - they need a deity (that's a God like supernatural being for all the Toon Army wondering if a deity is in fact, a rare form of pasty.)

    Ashley is going to have a real job selling a club with such a huge chip on its shoulder in a recession.

    He's going to have to look a long way outside of Newcastle and I predict that should he be lucky - within months we willsee banners proclaiming "Filthy rich oil barons OUT!!"

    The Toon Army will never ever be satisfied.

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  • 66. At 4:00pm on 15 Sep 2008, U9563463 wrote:

    Honestly geordies - please be sensible next time. None of this, messiah Keegan stuff and please don't start going on about messiah Shearer. If Alan comes in and loses a few games, then you will all get in a strop again.

    You might as well let Ant and Dec come in to run and manage the club as anyone not from Newcastle (even Gateshead!) will be given no time to settle.

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  • 67. At 4:03pm on 15 Sep 2008, Jol wrote:

    It's time for most of the Toon fans to take their huge chip off their shoulders !
    Once a new buyer is found they need to lose the mis-guided ideology that Keegan, Shearer, Bobby Robson etc are the only saviours.
    Forget the reasonong that the next manager has to "understand the fans" etc and join the 21st century.
    How much did Wenger "understand" the Gunner's traditions ? How much scouse blood does Rafa bleed ?
    Look to Europe and find the best that's out there and move forward instead of wallowing in Keegan's glory days of the last decade, because the game has passed him by in terms of coaching etc - although (just as a thought) why not keep KK on as the new Director of Football ?

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  • 68. At 4:04pm on 15 Sep 2008, DoubleDragBack wrote:

    Not a great article from Robbo there.
    You can't play the 'I'm aloof from this sort of nonsense 'cos I'm a down-to-earth Boro supporter' all the time.
    I bet even Boro fans have delusions of grandeur...such as a european place- perhaps the inter toto cup or some equally unachievable holy grail. ;-)
    I'm not a Toon fan but I totally understand the plight of the fans agony.
    I don't know any who are arrogant or dillusioned, they are mostly pragmatic, honest fans.
    I would suggest that the problems that have emerged here (i.e. fairly honest owner versus emotional fans of heightened expectations) have made it clear that the Barceloana model with the fans owning the club, a move suggested by Ashley, is perhaps the only way forward.

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  • 69. At 4:06pm on 15 Sep 2008, aka_bluepeter wrote:

    Kevin Keegan knew from the beginning what was required of him. He accepted and then changed his mind when he decided he didn't like it.
    Come on Geordie fans, stop living in the past and take off your Rose Tinted glasses. He blew your big chance of a title when he lost his nerve and signed Tino Asprilla who you didn't need and blindly plonked him straight into the team when you had it in the bag already.
    Tino eventually settled in and was a great player and entertainer but the timing of his introduction was all wrong.
    The rest of the planet think it should be KK being hounded out of Newcastle not Mike Ashley. But there you go again 'cutting off your nose to spite your face'

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  • 70. At 4:07pm on 15 Sep 2008, gasheroo wrote:

    Robbo I take my hat off to you! Not only have you so eloquently stated what just about any football lover beyond The Angel of the North already knows, you've made it funny as well - everyone in our office has been falling about laughing all afternoon!! We reckon that you're next in line for a demo at St James' Park.........

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  • 71. At 4:12pm on 15 Sep 2008, Welcome to BBC Hyperbole wrote:

    Yawn.

    The only enjoyment I got out of this blog, was imagining Ben Elton reading it out on Nozin Around.

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  • 72. At 4:13pm on 15 Sep 2008, Phoonsy wrote:

    Quality rant mate :o)

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  • 73. At 4:15pm on 15 Sep 2008, COVENTRYBRIAN wrote:

    Brilliant Robbo, Heather Mills would be perfect to take over the hapless Club

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  • 74. At 4:16pm on 15 Sep 2008, Robbo Robson wrote:

    #70 God bless yer.

    By the way, when I say KK is one of them - a Toon Army man through and through - I do not mena he's a Geordie, he just shares the same mindset.

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  • 75. At 4:18pm on 15 Sep 2008, jazza0707 wrote:

    You can tell this is written by a fan of a rival club. From a neutral this article is a piece of garbage.

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  • 76. At 4:19pm on 15 Sep 2008, Tatloaf wrote:

    You can tell this is written by a fan of a rival club. From a neutral this article is a piece of garbage.
    ______________________________

    Chelsea fan here and I think most points Robbo has made are pretty acurate... ...so there!

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  • 77. At 4:20pm on 15 Sep 2008, betweenthesticks wrote:

    You really don't know what you're talking about. This has gone way beyond discussing the pros and cons of Keegan as a manager.

    Fans were protesting against a regime which has alienated itself from the fans. Ashley's statement last night is the first time he has ever officially addressed supporters about his intentions since he took over!!!

    The whole club is shrouded in secrecy and has done nothing to help itself with petty denials of Keegan's claims over the past two weeks. NUFC is moving backwards, not forwards.

    Ashley has made serious mistakes in terms of the people he's appointed, and his failure to check out the club's financial status before buying it. I think he realises that now.

    As one of the players has already anonymously said, it's an absolute "shambles". Ashley's regime could have helped itself by providing some firm statements of intent over the past few days, some explanations, some indication of where we're headed.

    NUFC is going down the pan, and will continue to do so until someone at SJP shows some flippin leadership, dignity, determination and some semblance of interest in communicating with the supporters.

    Enough said.

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  • 78. At 4:31pm on 15 Sep 2008, Hamyak wrote:

    I am quite astounded that the BBC allows an article like this to get published. There is no sense of humour involved here...it is totally JUVENILE and obviously written by someone with no real understanding of the local people or Newcastle fans.

    At the end of the day, no matter what structure a club has in place for the purchasing of new players, a manager lives and dies by his results and therefore should have the last word on players moving in and out of the club.

    Love him or hate him, Keegan really does understand what the Geordies want from their team and I dont blame him for walking when being undermined.

    If your employer continually changed your conditions of employment would you not find another Job????

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  • 79. At 4:33pm on 15 Sep 2008, peejkerton wrote:

    "Ashley's put the 'For Sale' sign up but you've got to ask who's going to want to fork out money to get this sort of treatment from a group of fans living on virtually non-existent past glories?
    Ashley put 250 million quid into the club and it's still struggling financially. That aside, Ashley has been a disaster but until the fans get a grip on reality it's going to be an impossible job for anyone."

    Finally. FINALLY.
    A journalist in the UK finally tells it like it is.
    The problem at Newcastle is the fans. Its not who owns or manages the club, its the delusion of the fans that always get on their managers and/or owners backs in September of every single year. The scores of managers lost to fan protests is shocking, as is the treatment of the last 2 owners as well as the current one.

    The club will not go anywhere till its stable, and it won't be stable until some of these delusion fans either get a grip or go away.

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  • 80. At 4:33pm on 15 Sep 2008, higgoboss wrote:

    Why the dig at Tottenham? In the last 50 years we have won 15 major trophies.

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  • 81. At 4:35pm on 15 Sep 2008, unbeatablePinkFloyd wrote:

    THIS IS AN EXCELLENT BLOGG/THREAD AT LAST A WRITER WITH A SENSE OR REASON AND PROPORTION WELL DONE TO YOU.

    PS SORRY FOR THE CAPS, BUT I WANT TO SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS. WHAT A REFRESHING CHANGE TO SEE THIS REALISM.

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  • 82. At 4:38pm on 15 Sep 2008, woodsy1977 wrote:

    Good article Robbo. But I think that Newcastle's inner belief comes from the fact that they really shoudl be a big club with the number of supporters coming through the door every week. I am a liverpool man meself but they have more fans through the turnstyles and a bigger stadium than us yet they have won nothing. They should be able to compete at the highest level but the wacky races boardroom approach makes it too difficult. When will clubs learn to look at the success stories in the premiership and follow it. Man Utd's purple nosed manager got bags of time to turn it around and now look where they are and no-one in the board at Old Trafford would ever dream of appointing Dennis Wise (a complete footballing numpty by the way) as Director of football without getting the consent of Fergie first. Similarly at the Emirates where although they don't have pots of money they have built a great team. Ashley tried to do build the squad and scout young players, but unfortunately he was totally cackhanded and it was never going to take much to make King Kew walk out. Simply put he could not bring in his mate Wise over the head of Keegan and expect him to stay, and as a result I don't have much sympathy for him, he can console himself with the billions he still has left. I mean he probably has enough money to fly his kids to watch the LA galaxy every week if he wanted.

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  • 83. At 4:40pm on 15 Sep 2008, peejkerton wrote:

    "He can really only claim 110 million as an investment in the club."

    And yet, you're still in debt.
    What does that tell you about the clubs terrible mismangement that he's spent a QUARTER OF A BILLION on you, and you're still not out of the red.

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  • 84. At 4:42pm on 15 Sep 2008, spectrum wrote:

    Ashley is a thug in business terms. He likes power. That's why he brought in Wise to represent himself and undermine Keegan.

    Possibly he wanted the adulation for appointing Keegan but didn't trust him to spend Ashley's money.

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  • 85. At 4:44pm on 15 Sep 2008, Nick wrote:

    Oh no, Hamyak is astounded!

    How can a manager be judged on results when the players aren't the ones the chose?

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  • 86. At 4:45pm on 15 Sep 2008, peejkerton wrote:

    Why don't the Newcastle fans seem to get it.

    It wouldn't have mattered if Bill Gates owned the club and Keegan walked out. You'd have still wanted Gates out.

    The problem at Newcastle is, and always will be the fans demands for something they cannot get, because they are far too impatient to build it up slowly and want to compete on a financial level they cannot possibly aspire to. The fans would rather see the club do a Leeds would they?

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  • 87. At 4:47pm on 15 Sep 2008, unbeatablePinkFloyd wrote:

    despite the efforts by the penner of this thread along come that band of banal backward thinking section of a loony toon army.

    its quite staggering and shows ignorance beyond belief. you are stuck in some time warp, your demonstration was laughable as it showed absolutely nothing.

    In truth i think all writers should now refuse to make further comments on the loony toon outfit.

    hurry up and get relegated, realise your place in the grand order of things. your obvious ignorance and deniel of reality suggests to me you dont deserve to be a PL Club at all.

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  • 88. At 4:48pm on 15 Sep 2008, Brian Renshaw wrote:

    I do like posting 3 above, if you can trace that far up. In answer

    1

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  • 89. At 4:49pm on 15 Sep 2008, madeiraman57 wrote:

    Agree with MannysoxRed on this one.
    I am a Manchester United fan since my 10 th birthday in 1957 and through those 50 odd years have supported my club - through thick and thin - as well as any Toon fan. Not often a live match spectator, (as a sea farer and overseas dweller ) BUT I am just as passionate, but more of a realist than the SJP protesters who seem to be able to show up any time day or night ( jobs anyone... ? ) to protest about a bloke who shells out 250 million quid to try to make something out of an underachieving team living on past glories - GET REAL -
    I don't really rate KK and Wise is anything
    but ... poor player and a nasty piece of work to boot, but IF you get another owner, let him do it his way or relegation beckons and ask Leeds United how that feels .!! Good luck - you'll need it.

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  • 90. At 4:52pm on 15 Sep 2008, Nick wrote:

    Meant to add that Keegan was praising the players that Wise brought in. So while he wasn't picking the players he brought in he was taking the praise of how well they were playing....until he threw his toys out of the pram.



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  • 91. At 5:16pm on 15 Sep 2008, jimarsenal22 wrote:

    No35# "Is KK also a Scouser? More to the point, is he a Hamburger? "

    Actually he's a Scunthorpe lad...

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  • 92. At 5:22pm on 15 Sep 2008, mozroz wrote:

    I always thought Sting was a Sunderland fan?!

    The minority of Newcastle fans will never be happy because they think that no manager apart from keegan is big enough or good enough for them.
    They have brought some of this onto themselves. I remember them playing in front of less than 14,000 people in the 80's when my mates used to turn up at 3 o'clock, pay at the door and be free to wander all over the ground because there was tons of space.
    And now they think they are a big club! They were decent in the 70's hapless and hopeles in the 80's and early 90's, entertaining and at times breath-taking in the mid 90's under keegan and are slowly sliding towards the championship, remember they haven't won anything since 1955 and are fast becoming the biggest laughing stock and circus in football, not just English football. They are the same as everyone else outside of the top 4, always hoping that they don't go down.
    And they mock us at Sunderland but I bet they would love a manager with the profile of ours and a chairman with the integrity of ours too.

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  • 93. At 5:25pm on 15 Sep 2008, Pottsy84 wrote:

    #86, #87

    Have you actually read any of the comments posted by Newcastle fans on this thread?

    Have you seen any of the frustration we've written about, concerning the stupid spending and the endless queue of former managers cluttering up job centres across Britain?

    Do you read anything to a depth beyond its headline, or are you informed solely by Sky Sports News' interviews with random fans outside SJP?

    Which of us has mentioned ANYTHING about winning a trophy? Who has mentioned winning the league? Whose expectations are unrealistic? Who, I ask you, is in denial about anything here?

    It wasn't the fans who demanded the sacking of Robson, or Allardyce, or even Roeder. Those were the reactions of an incompetent club leadership who would do anything to keep the fans off their own backs.

    Engage in the real debate instead of flinging insults based on what looking at the pictures in the tabloids tells you about geordies.

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  • 94. At 5:28pm on 15 Sep 2008, Pottsy84 wrote:

    mozroz.

    I would personally sell bits of my body to have Roy Keane at Newcastle. Didn't like him as a player, however good he was but he's a different animal as a manager

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  • 95. At 5:30pm on 15 Sep 2008, mozroz wrote:

    Pottsy84

    I have said that the MINORITY of fans. The Kappa wearing idiots who can't even spell boycott!

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  • 96. At 5:35pm on 15 Sep 2008, Pottsy84 wrote:

    No, I agree. Comments were chiefly directed at commentators 86 and 87.

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  • 97. At 5:41pm on 15 Sep 2008, Nick wrote:

    "It wouldn't have mattered if Bill Gates owned the club and Keegan walked out. You'd have still wanted Gates out."

    I'm a Newcastle fan, and that's one of the best statements I've seen.

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  • 98. At 5:41pm on 15 Sep 2008, unbeatablePinkFloyd wrote:

    we are engageing in the real debate we saw the buffons on telly chanting kk name and have read the various non sensicle articles written about your club by its own supporters.

    jeeze wake up will ya?

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  • 99. At 5:54pm on 15 Sep 2008, Colin wrote:

    One Stevie Gibson, there's only one Stevie Gibson....One Stevie Gibson...there's only one Stevie Gibson !

    He's one of our own....He's one of our Own....Stevie Gibson....He's one of our own !

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  • 100. At 5:55pm on 15 Sep 2008, iambeanie wrote:

    Good read Robbo,

    Just a thought but how about 'Mad' Vlad Romanov to take over with Ashley going the oppsite way :) He does fit at least 3 of your criteria.

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  • 101. At 6:01pm on 15 Sep 2008, Toonarmy1968 wrote:

    "Maybe I'm jealous cos we Teessiders learnt long ago that we should be grateful for what we get"

    Yes you are jealous.

    Also you glow in the dark, talk funny, are neither Northeasteners or Yorkshiremen and thus are bitter and twisted about your lack of regional identity.

    Even your worst insult is at best weak 'barcode' - oh stop the pain! lol

    Any further clarification required please ask. Always glad to put a smoggie in his place! ;0)

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  • 102. At 6:02pm on 15 Sep 2008, Nicholas wrote:

    Why does everyone have a low opinion of Scousers, particularly when you consider Geordies? DIC etc aren't that stupid. None of them have crossed the Pennines with a bag-full of cash...

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  • 103. At 6:08pm on 15 Sep 2008, Colin wrote:

    "Also you glow in the dark, talk funny, are neither Northeasteners or Yorkshiremen and thus are bitter and twisted about your lack of regional identity.

    Even your worst insult is at best weak 'barcode' "

    no need to insult you mate.....your making a laughing stock of yourselves and your town...(sorry..city) without our help.

    oh how we all laugh....

    altogether now.....One Stevie Gibson........

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  • 104. At 6:11pm on 15 Sep 2008, Toonarmy1968 wrote:

    God, a bunch of smoggies laughing - that's scary - a bit like that film a few years back - 'Wrong Turn'. ;0)

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  • 105. At 6:12pm on 15 Sep 2008, CheerUpAvramGrant wrote:

    Interesting stuff but its all a bit long term - what about this season. Ashley may sell when he gets round to it, in the mean time which right minded manager (or Keegan) will take the job?? Remember how long Big Sam lasted under a new chairman. And there's no money to be spent in January now.

    Hull, West Brom, Fulham and Wigan are looking fairly competent so could be nervy times ahead.

    PS how can Robbo exclude little Blackburn from the list of title winners?

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  • 106. At 6:16pm on 15 Sep 2008, glexzo wrote:

    No Newcastle fans expect to win anything ever.

    No one I know ever expects to live long enough to see us win a trophy.

    We do not have high expectations.

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  • 107. At 6:16pm on 15 Sep 2008, Colin wrote:

    And can i be the first to congratulate all the Geordie protesters in managing to have their banners spelt correctly at the weekend?

    A refreshing change i thought, did you have outside help ?

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  • 108. At 6:18pm on 15 Sep 2008, Toonarmy1968 wrote:

    You do of course mean 'I' don't you smoggie one? ;0)

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  • 109. At 6:24pm on 15 Sep 2008, Colin wrote:

    No, lol, i meant i. I (proceeding a full stop) do not have such an over inflated ego or high opinion of myself to capitalise my i's. ;)

    Your spell check and thesauraus is getting a run for it's money tonight isn't it Toon ?

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  • 110. At 6:26pm on 15 Sep 2008, Colin wrote:

    I placed a little spelling mistake there for you toon. Can you spot it ?

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  • 111. At 6:29pm on 15 Sep 2008, Toonarmy1968 wrote:

    Dear God, you just keep digging yourself deeper man! If you're going to accuse us of illiteracy at least make sure your grammar is correct.

    Although I tend to agree with your riposte - you do only warrant a very small 'i'.

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  • 112. At 6:31pm on 15 Sep 2008, fluffyskg wrote:

    I know I'm not the person that was directed at borocol, but there are several errors in your post: thesaurus, spell-check, the space between 'toon' and the '?', you used "it's" instead of "its"...and as I'm sure you know capitalising an I when referring to the first person is just good grammar, nothing to do with your ego...especially when it is following a full stop, not proceeding one - by which I assume you meant preceding...which would still be wrong.

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  • 113. At 6:32pm on 15 Sep 2008, ToonFaith wrote:

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  • 114. At 6:33pm on 15 Sep 2008, parhull wrote:

    Another contender - Tony Blair.

    Though ? over whether he fulfills the local criteria.

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  • 115. At 6:34pm on 15 Sep 2008, Colin wrote:

    Absolutely...i agree....

    Unlike your Massive i's up on Tyneside.

    we know our place.




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  • 116. At 6:37pm on 15 Sep 2008, Colin wrote:

    I know I'm not the person that was directed at borocol, but there are several errors in your post: thesaurus, spell-check, the space between 'toon' and the '?', you used "it's" instead of "its"...and as I'm sure you know capitalising an I when referring to the first person is just good grammar, nothing to do with your ego...especially when it is following a full stop, not proceeding one - by which I assume you meant preceding...which would still be wrong.

    Always one to welcome a grammar rebuke...I (see what I did there?)stand corrected

    pure laziness, must be the daily commute to T (I) neside.

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  • 117. At 6:38pm on 15 Sep 2008, Toonarmy1968 wrote:

    Lol, please read comment 112 you buffoon.

    Couldn't have put it better myself.

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  • 118. At 6:40pm on 15 Sep 2008, Toonarmy1968 wrote:

    Ah, so YOU'RE the guy glowing in the Tyne Tunnel everyone was on about this morning?

    Thanks for clearing that up. ;0)

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  • 119. At 6:40pm on 15 Sep 2008, Colin wrote:

    Well you didn't spot it did you Tool ? (sorry...Toon) ;)


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  • 120. At 6:47pm on 15 Sep 2008, Toonarmy1968 wrote:

    But seriously my friend, toon fans wouldn't personally comment on the state of the boro club or that of the unwashed ones.

    It's simply beneath us, just like both teams will be below Newcastle at the end of the season, as per. ;0)

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  • 121. At 6:56pm on 15 Sep 2008, AnalMcAnal wrote:

    Not aimed at toon fans particularly but footy fans in general...

    Some 'fans' think that its acceptable to scream foul mouthed abuse at the owner or chairman of their football club just because they disagree with the way their favourite football team is being run. In some more extreme cases they'll spit at, throw things or even assualt owners and even their families.

    Some times the reason for this behaviour is because the owner refuses to simply 'give' his hard earned money to their football club so that it can go towards:
    -obscene transfer fees (mostly to foreign clubs!)
    -obscene wages to players
    -obscene agent fees

    Are these people:
    a) decent honest people who are simply passionate about their football club.

    b) dangerously obsessive idiots who need a reality check.

    I'm not sure my description of b) perfectly captures what i'm trying to say so perhaps you guys could help...

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  • 122. At 6:59pm on 15 Sep 2008, Geordie1985 wrote:

    I may have taken this article seriously if it wasn't written by a smoggy, Robbo I'm new to this but are you some kind of journalist, because you just seem to be a rival fan having a go at a club in turmoil.

    You want to know where our inner belief comes from, you answered your own question mate when you listed teams that have won cups since us, the fact is if that crap can win stuff then why not us.

    You went on about Newcastle not winning a cup for 50+ years but some the tems ypou mentiones haven't won cups for decades either, yet they're bigger because it was a less amount of time ago.

    The rubbish teams only win cups because the big clubs get knock that's the beauty of the cup games because it comes down to how you perform on the day not over the season that's why the likes of 'Sunderland' or 'Portsmouth' or 'Oxford Bleeding United' never win the top leagues at least Newcastle have been close in the last 15 years, even at the turn the century we managed top 4 and top 6 finishes that's why there's still hope at Newcastle.

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  • 123. At 7:02pm on 15 Sep 2008, stamfordhamMag wrote:

    Just for those people who have been taken for a ride with Mike Ashley's statement (my workplace has been full of them!).

    Ashley says he has given NUFC £250M of his own money, as if he has donated it to charity or something. He hasn't given it to NUFC, he's bought the blooming thing, stadium, facilities, players, the lot. He now reckons that it is worth £350M, meaning if he sells for that price he is £100M in profit. So, not so hard done to at all, is he?



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  • 124. At 7:07pm on 15 Sep 2008, Toonarmy1968 wrote:

    Yes and where was the investment/ 'wow' signing promised to season ticket holders?

    What about the money he made from them?

    The tv revenue?

    Shirt and merchandise sales?

    It's typical of recent official statements plus those leaked to the southern media - rubbish!

    I feared for my family - yeah Mr Ashley - whatever!!

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  • 125. At 7:14pm on 15 Sep 2008, unbeatablePinkFloyd wrote:

    do u really wanna read this rubbish now quake in ya boots sink the titanic that is nufc not i use lower case thats how big they are in the eyes of the world.

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  • 126. At 7:19pm on 15 Sep 2008, unbeatablePinkFloyd wrote:

    were has that epistle gone from some very backward geordie jeeze is it any wonder people are laughing at u all.
    has it been deleted?

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  • 127. At 7:22pm on 15 Sep 2008, unbeatablePinkFloyd wrote:

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  • 128. At 7:23pm on 15 Sep 2008, Wenger's Magic Hat [NLGooner] wrote:

    Fantastic article Robbo. It's so important for people to tell it like it is even if it does offend the Geordies.

    One comment mentioned that 'Keegan knows what the fans want' which was the main problem. In life there is a huge difference between 'what you want' and what is a realistic expectation of what you're going to get.

    I think it was stupid of Ashley to appoint Dennis Wise in London, but I can see what he was trying to do. Keegan wanted to spend tens of millions on players which didn't exist and had a tantrum when his requests were refused.

    One Newcastle fan I know was talking about getting into the top 4 while Allardyce was the manager. which for me is typical of the expectations of Newcastle fans.

    'He's ruined my life...' - need I say more?

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  • 129. At 7:29pm on 15 Sep 2008, Toonarmy1968 wrote:

    Lol, tell it how it is?

    You mean the inaccurate drivel spouted by most of the media this last few weeks?

    Mate, even your own manager, the illustrious Mr Wenger said he wouldn't work under such conditions!

    Alex Ferguson too.

    So tell me, who's the expert, them or a billionare sportwear owner and former casino croupier?

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  • 130. At 7:41pm on 15 Sep 2008, Wenger's Magic Hat [NLGooner] wrote:

    If you'd read and understood what I wrote, you would have seen the sentence:

    'I think it was stupid of Ashley to appoint Dennis Wise in London, but I can see what he was trying to do.'

    Meaning - it was a very bad decision to appoint someone like Dennis Wise who's going to undermine Keegan, but I can see what he was trying to do ie. bring in young players who cost less and will gain value. Keegan hadn't watched a game for years before taking over and so clearly didn't have the best idea of young players which is why Keegan shouldn't have been brought in in the first place.

    I think the idea of a 'Director of Football is rubbish' but I think Ashley had the club's best interests at heart.

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  • 131. At 7:43pm on 15 Sep 2008, unbeatablePinkFloyd wrote:

    toonarmy1968


    u are typical of the symptoms need i say more and with your screename its not hard to see why. come up with something orginal or go to bed u muppet u are no more toonarmy than i am.

    i suugest ladies and gent you take note of the above pratt as he is not a real suppoter of nufc possibly hes a thug in a suit.

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  • 132. At 7:49pm on 15 Sep 2008, Toonarmy1968 wrote:

    Hmmm , "read and understood what you wrote' - okay quite patronising there but I'll respond.

    Perhaps if you researched into this rather than re-spouting what you've read in the paper/seen on Sky you'd realise there's more to this than simply the Dennis Wise issue.

    You wouldn't treat a dog the way they treated Keegan, who is a legend in the game.

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  • 133. At 7:52pm on 15 Sep 2008, unbeatablePinkFloyd wrote:

    keegan was crap enough said u blinkered fool now jog on hows that for plain speaking?

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  • 134. At 7:52pm on 15 Sep 2008, Toonarmy1968 wrote:

    Wow PinkFloyd - what did I say to upset you exactly?

    I AM a Newcastle fan, are you?

    I admit I was having a bit of a wind-up session with the smoggies but other than that I was defending the club against some of the rubbish being spoken on here.

    Again, how does this make me a thug in a suit exactly?

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  • 135. At 7:56pm on 15 Sep 2008, unbeatablePinkFloyd wrote:

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  • 136. At 8:30pm on 15 Sep 2008, Hookers_armpit wrote:

    unbeatablepinkfloyd

    Nice one pal. Kill the thread - how clever.

    Robbo - your complaint links aren't working.

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  • 137. At 8:40pm on 15 Sep 2008, Funkysm wrote:

    What is the talk of KK being a gordie etc and the london mafia how many of your player are gordies that isnt relievent so why is it where anybody else in the club comes from?????
    Oh and Ashley only bought it to make money !! of course he did ! same every other owner of anything! Its the Entertainment business please take notice of the second word there BUSINESS
    And king Kenny has ran from every job he had so why are you shocked he did AGAIN

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  • 138. At 8:55pm on 15 Sep 2008, pimms-o-clock wrote:

    it's funny newcastle are a crap club and thats the truth. You thought because Keegan did such a good job last time he would this time, but no you say King Kev more like Krap Kev. your not in the top 6 like a club of your power should be. With Graham Souness you were getting into the champions league no look at you, were being coached by a has been (Kev), directed by a all togther crap person (Wise) AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS GO INTO YOUR ST JAMES PARK CORNER AND BLAME A FAT MAN WHO HAS CHILDREN (YOU SADDOS)!!!!!!!

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  • 139. At 9:15pm on 15 Sep 2008, biffa71 wrote:

    Nobbo,

    As a Newcastle supporter I can honestly say we do NOT expect to win things!

    We are forever optimistic. If we weren't, we wouldn't turn up to watch them.

    We don't have delusions of grandeur and we don't think we're a big club.

    Minor bloggers like yourself only perpetuate the Fleet Street wordsmiths who have never ventured to Newcastle.

    Why, for example, is the fact Alan Curbishley leaving West Ham barely mentioned when Keegan left for the same reasons? Ashley suddenly becomes an arch enemy of the people while the West Ham owners escape without any sort of comeback.

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  • 140. At 9:20pm on 15 Sep 2008, pimms-o-clock wrote:

    "nobbo"

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  • 141. At 9:24pm on 15 Sep 2008, pimms-o-clock wrote:

    oh for comment 138 i say "no look at you" that should be now and im not a newcastle fan so the "were coached by a has been" is your coached

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  • 142. At 10:02pm on 15 Sep 2008, holtc1 wrote:

    What is this, cliche bingo?

    Keegan's a quitter - check
    Ashley wears a strip - check
    Bonus points for xxxxxxxl reference - check
    Ashley likes a drink - check
    preference for 4-3 - check
    Religious analogy Messiah/Judas/walk on water - check
    Delusional - check
    won nowt in 50 years - check
    The fans are too impatient for anyone to succeed - check
    Ant and Dec/Sting reference - check

    That has to be a record for stereotypical banality.

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  • 143. At 10:06pm on 15 Sep 2008, holtc1 wrote:

    Pimms-o-clock

    Clearly you don't have a clue.

    Souness in the Champions League? Have a word.

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  • 144. At 10:22pm on 15 Sep 2008, Thanks A lot BBC7 wrote:

    Robbo, good work although I did not laugh once - but then yoy talked Newcastle.

    Kevin Keegan is overrated as a Manager, and always has been - due to his likable and approachable personality.

    I want to see a real good Manager at Newcastle United, as they tend to use their brains though they dont dream of SJP.

    Future predictions:

    Robbo will be specializing in badminton live texts.
    Kevin Keegan will marry Heather.
    Newcastle United will be Champions of the hearts, and thus 15th of the final standings.

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  • 145. At 10:24pm on 15 Sep 2008, WestMonkyMark wrote:

    No manager, an owner who wants to sell and a wafer thin squad highlighted by a growing injury list. Still ...at least we're not Spurs! :)

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  • 146. At 11:13pm on 15 Sep 2008, Presto West End wrote:

    I don't see this great expectation amongst the Toon fans that everyone bangs on about.

    They are often frustrated of the lack of any foresight shown by successive chairmen or ashamed about the way their club is dragged through the mill to the delight of the national media, but really, who can blame them?

    In truth, the fact that they have come so close on many recent occassions without any glory whatsoever has given them good reason to belive they could possibly win something, and I completely understand their anger now when each new flower of hope gets crushed by infighting, mismanagemnt or just another crap central defender.

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  • 147. At 11:42pm on 15 Sep 2008, robbosmateinusa wrote:

    Thank GOD for Steve Gibson!!!!!

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  • 148. At 02:38am on 16 Sep 2008, geordie_exile_oz wrote:

    I was originally a tad proud of Ashley, a British businessman buyng into a football club and being "one of the people". He looked the part in his toon shirt. (In a 10 man line up who would pick him out as a billionaire?)

    So on that front Im disappointed in how its turned out. Perhaps its better to have a faceless foriegn owner with bags of cash. No questions asked......

    As for expectations, going back to Keegans sentiments after losing to Chelsea. We arent a top 4 club. I reckon if you take a poll 99% of Geordies would agree right now that we are some what from it. Do we want to win something...... of course we do, who doesnt? In the absence of winning loads of silverware which is a longshot right now, give us a manager who can give us entertainment. End of the day thats what its all about.

    You can get 50,000 people to turn out when its all not going well and seriously cant expect to win anything this year. Truthfully these are the excellent fans for a club to have. Anyone who would disagree is bitter and jealous.

    Im almost 40, all I want to see from the toon is them win something before I die. I hope I live until 90 to give them a sporting chance. In the meantime entertain me, make me feel happy.

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  • 149. At 06:01am on 16 Sep 2008, Parag wrote:

    Well, if your king kev's idea was to spend 200 millions on henry, beckham and arshavins, then, its probably best that he is out of the clubs...

    you need to "swallow the bone your throat allows you to, otherwise it gets stuck".
    i think mike ashley has a vision for the long term, which fits his budget. ( and indeed it should be like that). but the fans (included the cartoon Robbo Robson), want overnight success. Manager needs to take the club forward, than rather backwards.

    I hope ashley finds a good replacement and shows the world his philosophy works.
    I actually like his philosophy which is to develop in-house talents rather than buying overrated stars. And as a businessman i hope he gets the benefits too... which he would then deserve.

    I hope ashley continues with his vision.

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  • 150. At 07:34am on 16 Sep 2008, peelaaa wrote:

    From a Sunderland fan.

    Newcastle have to be realistic, even sunderland has done more than newcastle in the last few decades and thats saying a lot.
    They have to get real and realise that just because they get an average of 50,000 every home game it does not mean they are as good as Liverpool, Man u or Chelsea.
    I had to laugh at the sky news footage of the reporter being hassled by a newcastle supporter, who bellowed 'I'm not happy like'

    haha

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  • 151. At 08:46am on 16 Sep 2008, DeckerJnr wrote:

    This article sums up Newcastle fans...

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/newcastle-fans-call-for-the-reanimation-of-jackie-milburn-200809151252/

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  • 152. At 09:14am on 16 Sep 2008, EuroPaddy wrote:

    Great article as usual, but, jeeeez....

    "He ruined me life"...

    I mean, well I don't know, it's like...

    WTF???

    I feel strangely disturbed by that womans comments.

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  • 153. At 09:25am on 16 Sep 2008, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Jeez I didn't know someone was keeping records for stereotypical banality - I'm over the moon that I've won the cliche bingo!

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  • 154. At 09:39am on 16 Sep 2008, pilgrimm549 wrote:

    This is just typical from a smoggy, you've always been the poor relation and lived in the shaddow of Newcastle.

    This is not a dig at boro, but you struggle to fill your ground, St James Park is at capacity every game and with another 30,000 waiting in the wings. Why shouldn't we expect more? We the fans have invested heavily in our club.

    No we haven't won anything for a while, but when you've got such a big fan base plowing money into the club season after season then you do expect a return. How many true geordies do you know that doesn't have the shirt, training top, lighter, mug etc etc.

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  • 155. At 10:18am on 16 Sep 2008, stefanmhodgson wrote:

    Robbo, another quality blog. Absolutely spot on, Newcastle need to realise that, at the moment, they are no better than Middlesbrough or Sunderland.

    Boro till I die.

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  • 156. At 11:12am on 16 Sep 2008, matt-b-a wrote:

    Newcastle fans have hope and big expectations bcos they almost won the premiership after promoting from league 1 as they called it back then. And also from the bobby robson era after reaching a couple of fa cup semis, having a decent run in the champions league, and finishing 4,3,4,5, in the league. But still nothing really to shout about. From reading mike ashleys statement i cannot tell whether he cares about the club or is just wanting the sympathy vote. There isnt a better candidate for the newcastle job other than keegan and shearer, knowone else cares about the club enought to want it to succeed. But a new chairmen is needed, and director of football needs to go and give manager full controll. James milner = newcastles best player. So you dont sell him its stupid.

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  • 157. At 11:29am on 16 Sep 2008, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Don't much care for the one-eyed smoggy-bashing... It's true we could do with fuller stadiums and better results but then we have a chairman who thinks about things, doesn't treat managers like they're contestants in The Apprentice, and at the end of the day we've won a trophy and reached a UEFA Cup Final... it's nowt much to brag about but I was chuffed to bits with both. We were close as can be to disappearing down the footy plughole a while back but Gibbo et al learnt the lessons and we're on an even keel. I'm not having a go at Newcastle because it's Newcastle... I'm having a go cos it's a shambles. Still it could be worse. Wise hasn't signed the Lehman brothers has he?

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  • 158. At 11:36am on 16 Sep 2008, Chippelsea wrote:

    Love it! :-D Keegan walking was never in question - only when.

    C.mon you Gerdies, get real. If you are not careful, you could join Leeds. You will end up with an uncommitted owner and a second rate (or insane) manager, 'cos no one will want to touch the club.

    Don't get conned by Keegan, oh sorry, you already have. I would have though the way he walked from England said it all. Any danger to his hair, he runs away as fast as he can.

    For NUFC's sake, back off on the protests, you are going too far.

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  • 159. At 11:38am on 16 Sep 2008, Chippelsea wrote:

    Oops, I've invented a new people, that should have read Geordies.

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  • 160. At 11:38am on 16 Sep 2008, Smack1971 wrote:

    All fans are lining up to have a pop at the Geordies, it seems we are an easy target at the moment, fair enough.
    Some of the prats outside SJP last week made my toes curl.
    But it showed the depth of feeling, and support for a great club.

    Problem is though, how many times do we hear from our rival fans and blogs, you arent a big club, you havent won anything for 50 years, ( fairs cup doesnt exist anymore.)
    You expect too much........


    It seems to me fans of everton, citeh, spurs, boro etc revel in having a go, because maybe they are a little miffed that 50,000 still turn up every week at SJP, and then they witness real fan power.

    Notice the one man and his dog at west ham last week......

    Or the three supporters outside maine road the day a multi million pound war chest is produced.

    We generate column inches and provoke debate, then you get other supporters get to stick the boot in.

    We can almost hear you crying "Your no bigger than us!"


    The fans expecting too much?
    We expect to win games, as do boro fans, man citeh fans, even derby fans expect the team they support to win, and as all fans, we get cheesed off when we lose.

    But as a spectical, 50,000 vocal passionate people are a bit hard to ignore.

    Cue "Your no bigger than us!"

    Ashley was wrong to hamstring KK, and the new manager coming in will need to know the structure before putting pen to paper.
    KK seems to have been the victim of one or two untruths.
    The fans got mad, and acted, unlike fans of other 'smaller'? clubs.

    ;)

    PS no-one I know wants to lose 4-3 rather than win 1-0, fact.

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  • 161. At 12:04pm on 16 Sep 2008, Marek7 wrote:

    'The League Cup has been won by Boro, Villa, Leicester, Norwich, Oxford Bleeding United, Wolves, even the League somehow found its way into the hands of Leeds, Derby, Forest, Villa, Everton.'

    Derby? Leeds? In case you forgot they were managed by two of the greatest managers to grace the English game-Revie and Clough.

    'somehow found its way'? Can I just remind you that between the years of 1965-1974 Leeds NEVER finished outside the top 4 and they won it twice too.In the early 70's Leeds and Derby were the best teams in England.

    I know you're not thick Robbo, so please dont act it. Cant blame you for a short memory though, Its not like Boro has much of history anyways.

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  • 162. At 12:06pm on 16 Sep 2008, EuroPaddy wrote:

    I think you got a bit confused about the 4 - 3 vs. 1 - 0 remark?

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  • 163. At 12:32pm on 16 Sep 2008, JDbinky wrote:

    HAVING digested Mike Ashley’s emotive Sunday night statement, the over-riding opinion of most Newcastle supporters appears to be: “Too little, too late”.

    Why has it taken the biggest set of supporter demonstrations for more than three decades to force the Magpies owner to end his selfimposed media blackout and attempt to outline his vision for taking the club forward?

    And why, in more than 1,600 carefully-constructed words, has he still failed to address the one burning issue that continues to make his position untenable in the eyes of the Geordie masses?

    Why has he backed former Swindon manager Dennis Wise ahead of two-time European Footballer of the Year Kevin Keegan, and why does he feel his London-based cabal of friends are the best people to run Newcastle?

    Unless he addresses those two issues, his attempts to portray himself as the saviour of a club that might otherwise have gone to the wall will count for nothing.

    Even as they stuff their “Cockney Mafia” T-shirts into the bottom of their clothes drawer, most fans would be willing to concede that Ashley has done some good in his 16 months at the helm.

    He has addressed a debt that was rapidly getting out of hand, signed two or three young players who appear to have potential and, lest we forget, generated immense goodwill with his appointment of Kevin Keegan in January.

    But in the space of eight months, he has lost that goodwill forever. He has lost it because he has displayed a blind faith in a group of associates who are simply not qualified to carry out the job they are being asked to perform.

    There is nothing inherently wrong with a scouting and recruitment system that divides labour between a series of highly-trained specialists, although for the process to have worked, Keegan needed to be aware of it from the moment he was appointed.

    But there is something wrong when that system stands or falls on the judgement of Wise, someone whose previous scouting experience stretched to the recruitment of a couple of League One midfielders for Leeds United, and Jimenez, a former Chelsea doorman whose only business experience appears to lie in the field of property development.

    While other Premier League clubs were staking their futures on the expertise of specialists, Newcastle were displaying blind faith in a group of Ashley’s friends.

    When those friends alienated Keegan, the one figure Magpies supporters trusted implicitly, the ensuing fall-out was always going to make it all but impossible for the current regime to remain.

    Ashley had to choose which way he was going to jump and, as Friday night’s failed negotiations proved, he chose Wise and Jimenez over Keegan.

    The club’s supporters, as they were always bound to, chose differently.

    And for all the club’s attempts to portray Keegan as a misguided romanticist who hadn’t watched a game of football in three years, and the at least partially valid argument that Newcastle’s fans have displayed unjustified loyalty to a serial quitter, there are rational reasons to suggest they were right to side with their idol.

    For all his faults, Keegan was not naïve enough to assume that Newcastle would be in the market for a Thierry Henry or a Ronaldinho.

    And while Ashley might have claimed in his statement that the fans wanted “huge amounts spent in the transfer market so they can compete at the top table of European football now”, those words merely perpetuate a well-worn myth that supporters at St James’ Park are completely detached from reality.

    Keegan didn’t want Henry or Ronaldinho, he wanted Carlos Cuellar, Stephen Warnock and Sami Hyypia.

    The club’s supporters didn’t demand miracles, they merely expected that their manager’s demands would be met to the best degree possible.

    Instead, Wise and Jimenez ploughed their own furrow and signed a striker and an attacking midfielder on transfer deadline day, ignoring the obvious gaps at centre-half and full-back that will now plague Newcastle for the whole of the first half of the season.

    Crucially, they also displayed a staggering indifference to the supporters’ sensibilities by failing to explain their decisions.

    Ashley and his cohorts have erected a wall of silence that has placed an implacable barrier between themselves and the fans.

    That bred suspicion then contempt, as supporters bridled against a regime based more than 300 miles away that appeared utterly indifferent to their fears and concerns.

    When those fears began to be realised, further silence meant supporters lost any semblance of faith in the people running their club.

    In the business world, Ashley’s shunning of publicity has been interpreted as a sign of strength. But in the mediafuelled world of football, it has undoubtedly created a position of weakness.

    His relationship with Newcastle supporters has already passed the point of no return.

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  • 164. At 1:12pm on 16 Sep 2008, Theflantom wrote:

    Why dont Newcastle fans do an Ebbsfleet Town and buy there club and kick Ashley out they can all have a say in how its run then.

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  • 165. At 1:16pm on 16 Sep 2008, DerekTurnbull wrote:

    How bitter and twisted you are hameau02.

    A Man. Utd. fan then?

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  • 166. At 1:31pm on 16 Sep 2008, Robbo Robson wrote:

    Marek7 - no lad I'm not thick - the 'somehow found a way' was a bit of pointed irony not a slight on the might of that spohisticated bunch of cloggers under Revie.

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  • 167. At 1:44pm on 16 Sep 2008, Presto West End wrote:

    JDBinky,

    Did you employ the same writer as Ashley?

    TheFlantom,

    Communism isn't the way forwards. For further details, see Sheffield Wednesday and the Eastern Block.

    Robbo,

    You might not be paid to be objective but you are only very thinly veiling your delight at Newcastle's predicament. Most clubs in the country would sell their best defender for the guaranteed support the Magpies (this nickname should be used more often - easily distracted by sparkly rubbish) get.

    If the clubs management is its head and its heart is its fans, its a very healthy lunatic.

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  • 168. At 2:03pm on 16 Sep 2008, siatpt wrote:

    I just can't believe some people's views on here! Yes the fans have reacted pretty stupidly, but tell me this - how many managers in the premiership would stay if after being at the club for 6 months they find out that they have ZERO control as to who they sign or sell....

    I have no hard feeling for mike ashley - it's entirely his own fault this has happened. Why didnt he just appoint wise as manager (which he clearly wanted anyway!) instead of Keegan - which he only did to get on the good side of the fans. Man did that backfire..!

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  • 169. At 2:18pm on 16 Sep 2008, Chippelsea wrote:

    JDbinky - wow, I am surprised you managed to keep your concerntration.

    More seriously, if you truly support Newcastle, what is the best action the NUFC fans can take to move things forward?

    If KK really supported NUFC, why has he walked (like a prima donner throwing a wet tantrum) and not worked to resolve the situation. Stop looking at who to blame, who to support, KK has walked, MA is the owner, deal with it.

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  • 170. At 2:25pm on 16 Sep 2008, DavePrice wrote:

    Come to think of it Ant and Dec would be quite good.

    To truly involve the Sid James' Park (it's a right CarryOn!) lobotomised faithful they could have a weekly eviction of the player that nobody wants anymore (think Titus Bramble).

    "I'm a NUFC player - Get me out of here" at 5pm Saturdays immediately after the match - sell the rights to ITV and you're onto a winner.

    Mr Ashley, are you listening?

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  • 171. At 2:31pm on 16 Sep 2008, Craig David Cartwright wrote:

    "Nice one Robbo, you hit the nail on the head. Just because 40,000 odd thousand fans turn up to watch the game doesn't mean their a big club...."

    Yeah considering a demonstration was underway against Ashley at the time 40,000 is a decent number, usually its around 50,000

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  • 172. At 3:24pm on 16 Sep 2008, Chippelsea wrote:

    I do wish they had smiley's on these posts LOL :-D, 'cos the comments by the NUFC fans are creasing me up and text just doesn't do it.

    NUFC fans, do you really believe you were demonstrating against Ashley? No. You were damaging the club. Hands up any non-NUFC who doesn't consider NUFC fan base to be obtuse and naive for what they did. Somewhat like the Man U fans who protested against US ownership or Chelsea fans .. or Liverpool fans.... Stop obsessing about the owner, if Ashley can't sell, what chance have you now got for a cash input for players in January? Or a new manager come to think of it.

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  • 173. At 3:35pm on 16 Sep 2008, BurnsySAFC wrote:

    I can understand the frustrations but the protests and comments that have been reported all seem poorly executed.

    From the mispelled 'boycoutt' banner to the lady whose life was 'ruined' and the fan who had the misfortune to look like Mike Ashley - it's all been damaging.

    I think it's a case of a minority spoiling it for everyone else though.

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  • 174. At 4:07pm on 16 Sep 2008, pimms-o-clock wrote:

    holtc1 newcastle did get into the champions league 2002-2003 group e with juventus, dynam kiev, feyenoord. so if you don't what competitions your own team is in your the one who needs a word.

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  • 175. At 4:07pm on 16 Sep 2008, pimms-o-clock wrote:

    comment 142

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  • 176. At 4:09pm on 16 Sep 2008, bustero48 wrote:

    Let the supporters sort out who owns, directs and managers NUFC. This whole farce (and what a laugh it's been) is down to the silly aspirations and beliefs of the fans. They continue to believe they are a "top four" club and, of course, Keegan continued to feed them this daft idea.
    Let them run it, let them continue to undermine and destroy anyone who trys to do things professionally. It's great for those of us who support the true best team in the North East - Roy Keane's Red and White Army !!

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  • 177. At 4:14pm on 16 Sep 2008, oldiwanthemag wrote:

    I've just spent most of my afternoon reading through a load of drivell written quite obviously fans of other clubs who would give their eye teeth to have support like ours and as big a fan base.

    JDbinky you got it just about right and well within perspective.

    When the current crisis broke the red mist descended over the Toon Army - me included and I'm old enough to know better.

    BTW - I cant any difference in what the NUFC fans were doing and some of the goings on with fans at 2 other clubs not too long ago - Obviously all Liverpool and Manc U supporters have extremely short memories.

    Never-the-less Mike Ashley isn't the demon he is being portrayed to be - and I for one was baying for him to go - but he was naive in giving 'jobs to the boys' when he should have been appointing people with GOOD FOOTBALLING sense - not WISE and Co.

    Lets face it Wise wasn't a particularly good player - others around him helped make him look good.

    I would be quite happy for Mike A to continue his ownership - provided he meets the fans part way and drops the dead donkeys (Wise and Lambias)

    I dont expect us to win things year in, year out but I do expect the club to back the person they appoint as MANAGER - not bring in some jumped up nowt to say who we do and do not sign.

    A lot of praise has been heaped on the 2 deadline day signings - Xisco I can accept but FGS why sign a player who spends more time being loaned out, by what are no more than mediocre clubs, than he does playing for them.

    Get it right Mike and the Toon Army will forgive, and possibly forget.

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  • 178. At 4:28pm on 16 Sep 2008, Crazy Horse wrote:

    Kevin Keegan has walked out the door more times than Gloria Gaynor!

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  • 179. At 4:50pm on 16 Sep 2008, Middleandoff wrote:

    #48

    I love your rambling about passion, then the dellusion of saying you have a rich history, and then admitting, sheepishly, that its over 50 years "So what"?

    This to me tells me the problem..

    Many people here are saying its just the minority of Newcastle fans having this extreme 'mob' mentality of protesting against Ashley, and the Keegan saga.
    I dont know about anyone else, but 40,000 isnt just a minority

    Newcastle are a shinking ship, and everyone is shouting for help
    They wont find a new buyer with fans with crazy high expectations
    Ashley had done his best for the club, and it hasnt been good enough for the Geordies, because thier Scouse messaiah has thrown a wobbly because of the lack of funds, and has ended up buying a pop star who sings about pants on the last day.

    Even trying to finish in the top half is too much of an ask for them nowadays, so they have to admit they are a flop team going to get worse, and eventually 'do a Leeds'
    Everyone expects thier teams to do well each year, but what makes Newcastle so special they have to tell everyone?

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  • 180. At 5:11pm on 16 Sep 2008, skinner29 wrote:

    You maybe right in almost everything you say robbo.But the thing that makes this club great is the fans. The slightly manic. delusional and sometimes dysfunctional fans.Otherwise it'd be just another little town in the north of England

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  • 181. At 5:34pm on 16 Sep 2008, xjustinox wrote:

    so, just because the average crowd at newcastle is the second biggest in the country, we are not a big team?? the air of expectation at newcastle befits a club with the 2nd largest attendance in the country. newcastle ARE a big club if you look at the fan base. when Keegan was here first time around, newcastle united were everyones second team. they played football the way it was meant to be played. given the time, i am sure KK would have made something similar happen.
    ok, they have won nothing since 1969. a couple of FA cup finals does not placate the fans, only a sustained approach to winning silverware will do. the fans pay good money to support their team, the least they expect is to be rewarded with decent football, not the dross they have been subjected to the last few yrs.
    howay ashley, get ya finger out and sell up and move on. let someone who not only wants to make money, but cares about the team and its supporters take over.

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  • 182. At 5:39pm on 16 Sep 2008, Carlo4 wrote:

    I dont know why everyone has a go at the fans expectations, I don't think it was us who sacked Bobby Robson when we were Champions League contenders. We just expect a bit better football than the tripe we got under Souness/Allardyce. I shouldn't think any set of supporters would be happy with relegation fights after being so close to success so often over the best part of 15 years. I didn't see too many other teams mixing it with 'The Big Four', except Leeds briefly, over that period. The has been extremely poorly controlled and the state it is in now is nothing more than a shambles and an embarrassment. I can't see who would possibly try to turn it around except a group of wealthy, perhaps misguided, Geordies and a currently out of work manager.

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  • 183. At 5:53pm on 16 Sep 2008, end2endgame wrote:

    No rich business man or people want to go near Newcastle because they know they'll get their heads bitten off six months down the line...and no manager worth his salt will touch the Newcastle job because expectations are so ridiculously high - ironic for a club that haven't won anything in decades and totally unique. The fans are literally like a pack of rabid hounds. They've no patience at all and won't tolerate any manager who a) is not from the area or b) has not played for Newcastle. The whole thing is a desperately sad state of affairs. It's a looney bin up there, not a serious football club. If Keegan goes back they deserve all they get. He'll only walk out again sometime next season or before that even , just like he's walked out on every managerial job he's had. The guy is a bottler with no staying power becuase he's tactically inept. Newcfastle fans don't mind it their team concedes 6 goals as long as they score 7. But this isn't football it's more like a cricket score as Mourinho once famously said.

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  • 184. At 7:15pm on 16 Sep 2008, heavy_d wrote:

    i cant see why they got rid of big sam in the first place!

    after 2 seasons he would've got newcastle european football with the funds and players he would've had at their disposal

    so what if the football they would've played would've been boring.... you would've got results!!!! which is all the fans want! you cant have fast flowing football and get the title unless you have been doing it for years! of which NUFC hasnt

    look at Man U and Arsenal

    free flowing quality football and titles to boot!

    but it all stems from a great defence

    the arsenal and utd back four in the 90's were exceptional

    the same for united and chelski's now
    (ignore last saturday's result against spain/liverpool that was a bad day at the office)

    when was there a defender of international quality at newcastle? woodgate/sicknote

    and if someone sayd titus bramble i will die from laughing!

    honestly newcastle need to start to rebuild from the top down

    Board

    manager

    defense

    midfield

    then finally.... a striker

    only the one mind because i have faith owen will perform if he gets the delivery... maybe heskey would be a decent purchase????

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  • 185. At 10:22pm on 16 Sep 2008, cunningandrew wrote:

    I couldnt have said it better myself, deluded, dumb and dangerous.

    I hope Newcastle become the next Leeds. If I were Ashley, I'd just drive the club and its fans into the ground, because I can.

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  • 186. At 02:52am on 17 Sep 2008, Imagine Reason wrote:

    Robbo, have you seen the American TV series House yet? You know, the brooding doctor? Well, Phil Brown, Hull City's manager, looks an exact double!

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  • 187. At 03:11am on 17 Sep 2008, royalarsenaltilidie wrote:

    The perfect new owner for Newcastle needs to have billions of pounds hes willing to invest, alot of free time on his hands and a hands off attitude to football matters and a 'can do' attitude for most other matters.

    Bill Gates any1?

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  • 188. At 09:10am on 17 Sep 2008, Robbo Robson wrote:

    186...

    At last - a serious contribution to the debate! I noticed Phil Brown's 'tache for charity has been joined by a bit of growth around the chin. The 'tache on its own made him look like a very shifty niteclub owner in summat like Starsky and Hutch.

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  • 189. At 09:12am on 17 Sep 2008, hambotoon wrote:

    The word "expectation" seems to be missinterpreted by everyone when talking about the Toon Army. Everyone seems to think that the toon army want to win the league and the FA cup immediately every time there's a change! You're all wrong. What the toon army wants first and foremost is stability and entertaining football. Of course we want to win things, who doesn't but we don't expect to. The passion of the toon army is simply misunderstood. We also seem to get slated for calling ourselves a big club. Well I sugest that the definition of big needs to be determined. In my mind we are a big club because I beleive that the sum of our passion is equal to or greater than that of any other club.

    In 96/97 we didn't win anything but we played exciting football and were involved in some games that people still talk about today. That's what we want but with a bit more stability thrown in. And if a trophy did come along then I wouldn't turn my nose up at that either!

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  • 190. At 10:12am on 17 Sep 2008, goodKen42 wrote:

    Please can you all stop saying Mike Ashley put £250m into the club.

    He hasn't. He put £134m into the pockets of the previous shareholders and paid off the mortgage of £57m or so on the stadium.

    Seeing as NUFC made a loss of £12m in 2005/6, and little has changed since then other than there being no interest payments on £57m, Ashley has at the very most put in £24m, probably more like £12m.

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  • 191. At 10:15am on 17 Sep 2008, fair teh middlin wrote:

    The NU fans should read that every morning until it finally sinks in -- everybody else sees it so why not them?

    I guess it's blind faith -- a bit like Spurs or Everton thinking they'll make 4th, or the mighty Norwich winning the Milk Cup again... ;-)

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  • 192. At 10:48am on 17 Sep 2008, matt-b-a wrote:

    Everyone is making out its a sin to have faith in the team you support. Every fan wants there team to win games and trophys, every club wants to have a full stadium.

    I agree with the emile heskey comment, hed be great at newcastle, hed do a defensive job at set pieces (very much needed).

    And Newcastle ARE a big club. Fact.

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  • 193. At 12:34pm on 17 Sep 2008, Chippelsea wrote:

    Newcastle a big club? To me continued success / reputation = BIG. Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man U, Liverpool ..... I am a Chelsea fan and whilst we have had success recently, I do not consider us BIG. Give us another few years at this level - maybe then.

    Newcastle are not a big club. No debate. To argue otherwise is delusional.

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  • 194. At 12:57pm on 17 Sep 2008, fair teh middlin wrote:

    "I didn't see too many other teams mixing it with 'The Big Four', except Leeds briefly, over that period."

    If you want to go 15 years back you need to get your facts right...

    Norwich ;), Villa, Blackburn, Forest (!), West Ham, Ipswich (!? :p), Spurs all pushed the "top four".

    Or did you only start counting from 2000?

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  • 195. At 1:36pm on 17 Sep 2008, siatpt wrote:

    Once again some of the comments on here are completely stupid! The latest (and funniest) one i've seen so far is from a guy who said if it was man u or arsenal fans they wouldnt have reacted the same to this situation.

    So are they honestly saying that if the man u/arsenal board had bought players behind ferguson/wenger's back and forced him to resign because they no longer had any control of the team that they would just sit there and take it...

    these forums are always a good read - so many delusional people!

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  • 196. At 2:16pm on 17 Sep 2008, TravellingHat wrote:

    Hey Freddy,

    I reckon you're Heather Mills.

    Just so you know.

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  • 197. At 3:22pm on 17 Sep 2008, oldiwanthemag wrote:

    Chipplesea I partly rest my case - small club with aspirations to be a big club - sums up Chelsea. Lets face it untill Roman came along with his BIG wallet you werea small club- and lets face it still would be - no history of winning anything much at any time.

    Compared to that NUFC ARE a VERY BIG Club.

    Still seeing a lot of drivel from some sections - but what else can we expect.

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  • 198. At 7:30pm on 17 Sep 2008, spectrumisgreen wrote:

    Wye aye man. We want King Kev. Ok I know he never won bugger all last time and walked out on us but he’s the Messiah. King Kev. Aye, ok he walked out on Fulham too. Aye, and Man City. Oh, and England but he’s King Kev. We never asked for Ashley to invest 250 million buying out Freddy Shepphard. Oh aye we did ask him to but we expected him to appoint a manager of proven Premiership quality. A man who could over achieve on a limited budget and who did we get? Sam Alladyce. That was no good man. We wanted King Kev. After three months and with a team making steady progress and building firm foundations we never had no Champions league trophy in the cabinet so he had to go. And what did we want then? King Kev! And what did we get? Oh aye, King Kev. That was better. But then what happened? Just because King Kev had been out of the game for three years we got a man with his finger on the pulse to look at players. The price of brown ale went up 10p in the bar, well King Kev never made that decision did he? King Kev. So he walked out on us again but we want king Kev. King Kev That Ashley is a King Kev disgrace. He spends 20 million King Kev a year on us and we want him King Kev out.Wye aye King Kev man. King Kev King Kev King Kev. We deserve King Kev some King Kev silverware.

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  • 199. At 8:39pm on 17 Sep 2008, chrismaclean91 wrote:

    Absolutely fantastic article!! Congrats

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  • 200. At 8:54pm on 17 Sep 2008, shaun78 wrote:

    cant believe it you had your chance and you blew it! some one was going to finally put your club on a sound financial footing it would have meant ashes and sack cloth for a season or two to get the club out of hock then the full power of your fan base could have been unleashed ashley runs buisnesses it not only makes him money but gives him the challenge that he thrives on. I dont remember fan protests this bad when douglas hall and freddie shepard ina spanish brothel slagged you's off to a false sheik get real so its ok to slagg off your wives sisters and girlfriends but not king kev! all this is is a fall out with the manager if you let ashley sort you's out the very least he will be able to sell you to someone who can move you on or put you in postion to make maverick attack on fourth place.

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  • 201. At 9:49pm on 17 Sep 2008, Thanks A lot BBC7 wrote:

    I am sure you all know that Robbo is a woman in her sixties?

    Impressive.

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  • 202. At 10:51pm on 17 Sep 2008, gamesabogey wrote:

    Get a grip, you bleeding hearts. The clue is in the blog. Nothing for 50, yes 50 years. The right to be a great team is not based on the passion of a fan base. You lot support a team that apart from an blip in the 90’s play rubbish mediocre football. A procession of managers supposed to be the next best thing has delivered now't. Just watch the revolving door, cos the big names are now looking to the January transfer window. I see another Leeds United coming on, no buyer loosing players and money, penalty point’s championship football and whoops League 1 and finally Ken Bates stepping in.

    Rant outside yer stadium, pontificate about how you think you are the best in the world
    but remember this, a good team is not built on sentiment and passion of the fans, its built on a stable forward thinking management structure. Build slowly and reap the rewards over a long period.

    You lot want it now at any cost. Do you know that you have blown it big time.


    Bring it on 'Fan Power" Oh dear it didn't work

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  • 203. At 03:18am on 18 Sep 2008, efchris wrote:

    Robbo Robson,

    Your blog states absolutely nothing but the obvious. We all know newcastle have won nothing. We are all very much aware of the strange inflated percepton that is held by a huge majority of the fans belonging to this club. Infact, what is the purpose of this blog?

    More importantly, why the cheap condescending comparisons of the toons history (or lack of) with the likes of everton, villa and forest; three of the most successful clubs in the history of English football?

    When referring to the history of football over the past 50 years, try not to make it so obvious youve only been genuinely interested in the game since you bought a sky dish after robson promoted the smog





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  • 204. At 10:52am on 18 Sep 2008, CannyKeen0 wrote:

    Unfortunately Heather Mills is from Washington (Borough of Sunderland).

    Washington is full of what Sunderland people call "plastic Geordies" but her family support Sunderland.

    And Ferry is definitely a Mackem!

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  • 205. At 11:40am on 18 Sep 2008, Rover1987 wrote:

    JDBINKY - The first post I've read from one of your fans that I completely agree with.

    Smack1971 and the rest - No fan of any other club is denying that you have good fans. Not the best, but good. You should expect those kind of fans from a one club city. We're not denying that, based on fanbase etc you should be a decent side. But what I and most other fans are fed up with is being told about it every 5 minutes.

    I'm fed up of being told that Newcastle are a 'great club'. Potentially, they probably are. But they've done nothing to suggest they might become a big club other than have a few seasons flirting around the top 4. Blackburn, had a few seasons similar in the 90's and we actually won something. You won't hear a single Rovers fan claim we're a big club.

    What you get with us is a sense of pride just that we're in the Premier League and we can play teams like United and Liverpool every season. We know we punch above our weight and we love every minute of it.

    What I'm trying to say is take away the fans and Newcastle are no bigger than anybody else. As a club you need to lower expectations and just accept that you're as crap as the rest of us. Until you do this then fans of other clubs are going to always look at you and criticise you. Its nothing to do with jealousy. Its a sense of frustration at being told you're club is bigger than theirs when you've done nothing on the pitch to back it up.

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  • 206. At 11:50am on 18 Sep 2008, frazberry wrote:

    Three things:

    1) Outside of the City of Newcastle...Keving Keegan is NOT rated as a football manager

    2) There is only one thing to blame for the continued failure of the Toon.....NOT THE MANAGER, PLAYERS, CHAIRMAN, DIRECTORS OR OWNERS....It is The Fans...plain and simple....they are to blame for NO major trophy since the 11th June 1969 Fairs Cup win. UNTIL the FANS accept you build a team from the back and sometimes have to grind out 1-0 victories while winning a small (but hopefully an acorn to oak tree) trophy like the League Cup there will NEVER be success at Newcastle United. Once you have that first trophy and some belief in the club then you can tell the manager to start playing more attractive football, buy flair players or get rid of the manager altogether and bring in a more stylish one.

    3) Shearer-I personally believe he will make a CRAP manager. Strikers dont make good managers anyway and I dont believe he has the temperment or man-managemenet skills to succeed at it...

    Good Luck

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  • 207. At 12:20pm on 18 Sep 2008, footy_analysis - play beautifully - wrote:

    To be honest, I think Ashley deserves a chance. Because:

    - He's clearly trying to balance the books at the club and improve the health of the club's finances
    - He wont pay big money for players who are coming towards the end of their careers
    - He has shown over the summer that he will invest in players
    - He has a clear strategy to take the club forward and wants to invest in young players and is taking a long term patient approach rather than going for the quick fix option

    Now, I don't agree with him taking power away from the manager about which players come and go but, let's be honest, he lost faith in Keegan because of Keegan's wish list of players such as Lampard and Ronaldinho and he sold Milner because Milner's been wanting to move to Villa for a year now.

    Clearly, the two men had different ideas on how the club should be taken forward and I personally like Ashley's strategy.

    I wish Newcastle fans would give him a chance because, longer term, I think Ashely's strategy will begin to make sense and the club will reap the benefits.

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  • 208. At 12:43pm on 18 Sep 2008, Boothy wrote:

    Funny thing is Man U fans tried to oust Glazier and managed to drop their prawn sandwiches and little else, Liverpool fans tried to oust the American happy couple and managed nothing. Newcastle fans have finally managed to do something none of the other fans have, got what they wanted, ousted a man and his team that are no good for the club and tried to put the club right themselves. Maybe other fans should realise that it’s us fans that are the most important people in the game not the overpaid players managers or chairman looking to make a killing in the and provide a bit of encouragement and support for all true football fans out there.

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  • 209. At 12:58pm on 18 Sep 2008, DoctorBoroLove wrote:

    Wise got Leeds relegated and he'll do the same for Newcastle.

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  • 210. At 1:15pm on 18 Sep 2008, Chippelsea wrote:

    I agree with the general view of Chelsea, we are not a big club and I chuckle when I hear us included in the 'big four'. Very big compliment (I don't like the other 3, but respect them).

    Chelsea have been relegated twice since the Osgood years and I have watched some dire football. We have had some very poor owner / management and I do not like Ken Bates, but recognise what he did for Chelsea. I am realistic, we could go back there again.

    I will re-iterate my point, NUFC fans need to get a grip on their reality. Most of the above from non-NUFC fans says the same. Stop prancing like peacocks, relying on a man I wouldn't leave my dog with and THINK. What is best for Newcastle? Let's face it, what you are doing currently ain't working.

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  • 211. At 1:52pm on 18 Sep 2008, akaTommySmith wrote:

    Great piece Robbo

    It all seems so obvious now...Heather Mills is just the person for the job

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  • 212. At 2:02pm on 18 Sep 2008, smond1104 wrote:

    Don't know why everyones slagging the geordie fans off. What fans don't want to see their club challenging for honours every season? I'm sure Liverpool fans are sure theyre gonna win the league every season but never do. Does that mean its wrong to believe they could?

    And how come every time a club looks in a bit of trouble people start bringing Leeds into it!? Everybody knows what happened, get over it like the Leeds fans have! Up the Super Whites!!!

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  • 213. At 2:25pm on 18 Sep 2008, matt-b-a wrote:

    Newcastle will bounce back from this, they always do. Alot of ppl seem jelous of newcastles fan base to me. Sum silly comments flying around on this blog!

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  • 214. At 2:45pm on 18 Sep 2008, Haarlem-Mag wrote:

    and what gives a boro fan the right to write an article about newcastle?

    that of which he knows nothing about?

    why do rival supporters have so much time on their hands to worry about what other clubs are doing instead of their own?


    and apart from 1 league win what have boro done?

    loose in a european final 4-0? second place is nothing?... you dont get a trophy for that!

    before you start commenting on newcastle mr.Robbo how about you start worrying about the rest of your fans turning up each week.

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  • 215. At 4:17pm on 18 Sep 2008, kerouacbaggie wrote:

    Ashley has put a quarter of a billion in, the bloke can get as involved as he likes. What sort of manager walks out in a tantrum EVERY time an issue comes up? The Toon is a small club, but with a load of shirt waving dreamers bigging them up.

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  • 216. At 4:38pm on 18 Sep 2008, redhairdontcare wrote:

    " even the League somehow found its way into the hands of Leeds, Derby, Forest, Villa, Everton. " I'll just remind you that historically , all of these tams are more successful than Newcastle have evr been especially Everton who when they went through a bad spell in the 70's and early 80's stuck with the appointment of Howard Kendall who then brought them 2 league titles an FA Cup and a European trophy in 4 years , then after the disastr that was the 90's Daivd Moyes built a team that went from eternal relegation candidates to now expecting European qualification each season with a net transfer spend over his 6 year tenure of £5m without spending the obscene wages that Newcastle have wasted , Eg Ateta and Cahill were bought for a combined fee of £3m , remind me how much did Titus Bramble and boumsong cost ?

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  • 217. At 6:36pm on 18 Sep 2008, Arctic wrote:

    They're in the Premier League - for now. That's big enough for me. My team in at the foot of Division 2.

    I'd take Newcastle's "problems" over ours any day of the week.

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  • 218. At 11:01pm on 18 Sep 2008, Jonny wrote:

    To all the other idiots who think that the Geordie reckon we are the best and biggest team in England.

    1. We think we are big as in true local fans. Not glory seekers who live 1,000 miles away from a home ground.
    2. We don't think we are top 4 team.
    3 We would like to be a top 4 team.
    4 we realise that we are not going to be a big 4 team.
    5 Mike Ashley is to blame for Newcastle's situation.
    6. you can say what you like about us, we don't care what you say about KK or Shearer.
    7. We don't care what you say about us full stop.
    8. If Newcastle go down like Leeds do.
    9 Well we know who's fault it will be Dennis Wise.
    10. We will take Ashley down with us, it would serve the fb right.

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  • 219. At 01:41am on 19 Sep 2008, Owen's daddy wrote:

    Robbo,

    as a Newcastle fan I thank you for your reasoned and honest appraisal of the situation, unlike a lot of the knee-jerk reactions by the press, social commentators and message board pundits who peddle the same half truths and accusations time and time again.

    I think overall your article is 90% right.

    My one bone of contention with your article is this "massive expectation" that we are constantly accused of, for the vast majority of Newcastle Fans it simply doesn't exist - its a total urban myth.

    We know our position in the grand scheme of things - we'd just like a bit more.

    Like almost every other fan in the land I start the season with the hope that the latest 'Carlos Kickaball' is as good as he looks in highlights, often by Christmas I've seen enough to know we've been sold a pup - as a Newcastle fan I'm castigated for for my impatience - but tell me, how long would your fans have persevered with Boumsong or Bramble, Dillon or Fereday?

    Like almost every other fan in the land I start the season with the dream that this year, maybe, just maybe we might get a lucky run and finally touch some silverware in my lifetime - as a Newcastle fan I'm condemned for having hope and shown highlights of Ronnie Radford on a continuous loop.

    The longer your cupboard lies bare, the more you hope that the odds will swing your way, the more you crave, the more we desire, but who says we expect?

    I don't judge other clubs by the handful of interviewed idiots that make the cut on 24hr news stations - generally the most animated, unreasoned, ill informed and unemployable make the grade - but yet I and the vast majority of genuine supporters of Newcastle are lumped in with this moronic minority.

    I just want a decent 90 minutes of passionate play, hopefully with a favorable result at the end for my wedge.

    And Robbo, you should be grateful that the best chairmen in the business was born on Teeside.

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  • 220. At 02:24am on 19 Sep 2008, Owen's daddy wrote:

    206. Frazberry
    "Strikers dont make good managers anyway"

    Alex Ferguson?
    Brian Clough?
    Herbert Chapman?
    Kenny Dalglish?
    Don Revie?
    George Graham?
    Luis Aragones?

    ..another urban myth.

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  • 221. At 04:06am on 19 Sep 2008, GLans wrote:

    In response to the toon army who seemed to have been rubbed up the wrong way by this article, i would say that this is probably alot of your own doing.

    The fact that no manager seems to get more than a week to impress you and the fact that you don't have the money to buy the players you need to play attractive and winning football leads to a mountain of protestation no matter who is managing the club or team. Success comes from a basis of good, long term, stable management of both the club and the team. Something Newcastle have had very little of in my 19 year span of watching football.

    The whole Keegan is the messiah completely confuses me as the man has delivered little on the domestic scene and hasn't been in management until recently for around 8 years. His appointment was a complete fan pleasing decision, although his dismissal should have been handled alot better by both himself and Ashley.

    At this moment in time i feel that if every Newcastle fan is unhappy with the club give over £500 each and run the club for yourselves, but it wouldn't make a hell of a difference, stability and consistency would then cease to exist for Newcastle.

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  • 222. At 00:26am on 21 Sep 2008, oldiwanthemag wrote:

    dyyyer

    A whole 19 years watching fotball? WOW

    Before you start making the banal type of comments you are now try watching following and supporting a club for nigh on 50 years then you, and a whole lot more of the ill informed pillocks posting in this blog, would be qualified to comment.

    The urban Myth - or to some of us Toon Army fans the 'Urbane Myth' - is just that and old hat.

    Like any other fans of Premiership clubs we hope and pray for a good cup run - maybe even winning he bloody thing.

    We want our team to be fighting it out at the top end of the table for Europea places - FFS we'll even accept an invite into the Inter Two Bob Cup.

    We're happy with a top half finish and being the top placed NE club.

    We are totally realistic! Its not our fault if others feel threatened by our belief in our team and with he strong bond there is between players and fans - just ask any player whose ever played at SJP they give you the truth.

    To all those Toon bashers - get a grip on your own reality , stop feeling threatened and just hope your small club has a good season.

    And just to consolidate my earlier point about making comment only after you've watched football as long as I have here's a question.

    Name the club - currently in League 1 who were top of the old League Division One ( for all those still wet behind the ears thats Pre-Premiership) at Xmas /New Year and relegated at the end of the same season. How many of you know the answer - few I believe but I'll watch to see who gives the right answer.

    Call yourselves football supporters there's the challenge - without looking in record books!

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  • 223. At 08:36am on 26 Sep 2008, Chippelsea wrote:

    Ha ha ha, even the desperate Dan of football management - Terry Venables - won't touch Newcastle. Now they are considering Hoddle or O'Leary. It would be better if Denis Wise just takes temporary charge :-)

    I blame one person, Kevin Keegan.

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