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Carolyn Quinn | 16:45 UK time, Thursday, 16 September 2010

It's Eloise Twisk in charge tonight. Tell her what you thought of the programme and she will look through your comments after we've finished our post pogramme meeting at 6pm.



  • 1. At 5:17pm on 16 Sep 2010, Sindy wrote:

    The Bishops? Are they still there? Who voted for them?

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  • 2. At 5:24pm on 16 Sep 2010, davmcn wrote:

    Oh goody, just what we need, more Pope stuff on PM. Like the hours on TV isn't enough. Think we non-RCers can claim back some of our license fee for having this rubbish on TV and radio?

    And that Huw Edwards! He is as bad as that man who ruined the Tattoo by talking over everything just to hear his own voice, "...and there's the Pope walking... Amazing for a man of 83... Actually putting one foot in front of the other...Truly Holy... Haggis for lunch, I understand..."

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  • 3. At 5:26pm on 16 Sep 2010, newlach wrote:

    I am concerned by the Government's wish to increase the role of faith-based organisations in the delivery of public services. There is no doubt that faith-based organisations can contribute something to society, but why should people of no faith be effectively excluded in many cases from working for these organisations? A person of no faith can help the poor and the needy.

    On the Pope's concern about "aggressive secularism" in the UK I think that without it the plight of many clerical sex abuse victims would not have come to light. I was quite sickened to hear in a recent edition of PM that in Belgium a victim aged two was identified.

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  • 4. At 5:27pm on 16 Sep 2010, Big Sister wrote:

    David, I have to say that Mr. Naughtie isn't much better. Mind you, I think it must be extremely difficult to commentate on these occasions.

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  • 5. At 5:32pm on 16 Sep 2010, davmcn wrote:

    And those people calling him holy and kissing his ring.

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  • 6. At 5:33pm on 16 Sep 2010, Sindy wrote:

    Sacrilege! The Pope interfering with the cricket!

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  • 7. At 5:34pm on 16 Sep 2010, Ellis P Otter wrote:

    "This is ping minutes before six?"

    Sorry, what?

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  • 8. At 5:36pm on 16 Sep 2010, davmcn wrote:

    Of course, the only English Pope, Adrian IV, was born in the St Albans area. So I shouldn't complain. Supposedly died choking on a fly in his wine. Not communion wine, I hope.

    Not to mention our Archbishop of Canterbury, Robert Runcie...

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  • 9. At 5:37pm on 16 Sep 2010, U14519596 wrote:

    4. Big Sister

    • "I think it must be extremely difficult to commentate on these occasions."

    If in doubt, say nothing. The last night of the proms was similarly afflicted.

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  • 10. At 5:39pm on 16 Sep 2010, Sindy wrote:

    8. davmcn
    "Not to mention our Archbishop of Canterbury, Robert Runcie..."

    Rowan Williams to his friends ...

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  • 11. At 5:40pm on 16 Sep 2010, Sindy wrote:

    9. Anne Peake

    Hear, hear!

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  • 12. At 5:45pm on 16 Sep 2010, The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:

    I would gladly attend a Humanist rally in Bellahouston Park. Who's with me?

    Funny how PM followed the BBC trend today and had Catholics up against humanists, atheists or agnostics and not say, Rev Ian Paisley...

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  • 13. At 5:46pm on 16 Sep 2010, Looternite wrote:

    How much more of this pope bloke's promo tour (paid for by British tax payers) do we have to have on the BBC.

    And I heard that Hot cross buns were invented at St Albans.

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  • 14. At 5:47pm on 16 Sep 2010, newlach wrote:

    A very interesting point made by the Humanist contributor that next year in Scotland there will be more marriage ceremonies conducted by Humanist celebrants than by Catholic priests.

    Sister Roseanne talked enthusiastically about the inspirational words of Pope John Paul II to children when he visited Scotland in 1982: how they should "seek to help other people". If the Catholic Church practices what it preaches why do so many victims of clerical sex abuse say they have not been helped by the Catholic Church?

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  • 15. At 5:48pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:

    Good to hear the bitterness in that Tory, Nadine, on Tony Blair not declaring his RC-ness, as she believes it would have beholden him to vote her way on abortion.

    I remember him standing up for a school that accepts creationism, and forgiving a PR girl who'd put her foot in it when everybody else would have sacked her. Of course Nadine can't accept a view of Christianity unacceptable to her.

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  • 16. At 5:50pm on 16 Sep 2010, Looternite wrote:

    12. The Stainless Steel Cat

    You just reminded me of the previous popes visit and Paisley and his mates made a fuss with signs like "no popery here" and the avearge English person had no idea what his problem was.

    Bellahouston park a long way up Norf for me, but I'm up for a Humanist rally.

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  • 17. At 5:54pm on 16 Sep 2010, IMOORE wrote:

    So we add English cancer patients to the long list of English people poorly represented by the British Government.

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  • 18. At 5:54pm on 16 Sep 2010, The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:

    Looternite (16):

    Ah, that was just a misunderstanding; he was agitating for proper air freshener rather than bowls of flower shop leavings - No Potpourri!

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  • 19. At 5:55pm on 16 Sep 2010, The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:

    Re: Pope merchandise: Is there a Popery Potpourri?

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  • 20. At 5:58pm on 16 Sep 2010, Alan_N wrote:

    Vatican bath products - Pope on a Rope

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  • 21. At 5:58pm on 16 Sep 2010, bec g wrote:

    In response to the chair of the humanist association - I'd just like to make it clear that not all atheists are humanists, nor are all secular ceremonies supported by humanist celebrants. There are lots of independent secular celebrants supporting ceremonies and openly embracing spirituality and mixed cultural backgrounds in a secular context.

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  • 22. At 6:01pm on 16 Sep 2010, Ellis P Otter wrote:

    I noted your correction at eighteen minutes to six - thank you Carolyn!

    And the "an"!

    Good programme all round. Love the picture for tomorrow's Beach, which I saw earlier this week in a mirage too.

    I am surprised nobody has brought up the possibility of parking validation for hospital parking. This American concept seems to be widely accepted there and a good way to discount parking for those who need it. Just an idea.

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  • 23. At 6:01pm on 16 Sep 2010, Sindy wrote:

    Much too much on the Pope, and not enough about Freddie Flintoff, a real Messiah!

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  • 24. At 6:02pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:

    12 Wouldn't there be health and safety implications if you sent a reporter to interview the Rev Ian Paisley and a RC?

    (Rev in name only as far as I'm concerned)

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  • 25. At 6:05pm on 16 Sep 2010, U14519596 wrote:

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  • 26. At 6:07pm on 16 Sep 2010, Alan_N wrote:

    25 - Oooh errr...

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  • 27. At 6:08pm on 16 Sep 2010, Looternite wrote:

    18. The Stainless Steel Cat

    ah...yes it was his accent that caused the confusion.

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  • 28. At 6:09pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:

    22 I heard the MacMillian guy say that something didn't work, so I guess that anything like your suggestion wouldn't work. It would depend on how the carpark is policed and charged for, you'd need different systems for pay and display and barrier systems, but if you were going to the car park you'd need at some point to ask someone for the 'pass' and who would that be and would they be 9-5, would you have to find them while someone waits by the car, would it be sent out then forgotton or stolen?

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  • 29. At 6:13pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:

    I was annoyed to see Nick Clegg standing in the garden with the fellow welcomers. I believe that this visit is because of the work of Scottish socialists to make up for the bad things done to catholics over the years, esp in Scotland. Then he gets welcomed by a guy who's betrayed his own party.

    Then again, if Cameron's at a EU thingy, maybe that's o.k.

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  • 30. At 6:14pm on 16 Sep 2010, Ellis P Otter wrote:

    28 - to be honest all I know about parking validation schemes was learned from Ned Flanders' Left Handed Shop on the Simpsons many years ago.

    But I imagine it involves a barrier system rather than pay and display,

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  • 31. At 6:16pm on 16 Sep 2010, SirStarryKnight wrote:

    Sad to hear that patients attending hospitals in England will have to continue paying carpark charges because of the current financial situation. But at least the Trident project looks safe - gosh, that's great news!
    Have you noticed that it's always the bottomless pits that get the priority funding, taken from our money?
    Our politicians don't yet seem to realise that it's most unlikely that future military-style attacks against ourselves will emanate from beyond our own shores: the enemy is already within, and Trident won't be of any use.

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  • 32. At 6:20pm on 16 Sep 2010, The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:

    [Batmobile] I wonder if [Batmobile] there's any [Batmobile] way I [Batmobile] can subtly [Batmobile] encourage [Batmobile] [Batmobile] [Batmobile] Carolyn to [Batmobile] misspeak on the programme [Batmobile] tomorrow when she [Batmobile] inevitably [Batmobile] [Batmobile] mentions [Batmobile] the [Batmobile] Popemobile [Batmobile]?

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  • 33. At 6:22pm on 16 Sep 2010, Looternite wrote:

    France and the Roma:

    Interesting that France seems keen on returning EU citizens who wish to live in France back to Romania but France seems to "shrug" about the undocumented homeless people living in France who are repeatedly trying to get in backs of lorries to cross over to England.

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  • 34. At 6:22pm on 16 Sep 2010, elcej wrote:

    Thank you, thank you PM Team for taking up my suggestion in today's AM Glass Box to include a report of the Pope going to Scotland.

    I am flattered (almost embarrassed) that you dedicated so much of tonight's programme to my idea. You obviously thought it was a great idea so I expect you'll take up my suggestions again in the future.

    Thanks again

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  • 35. At 6:22pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:

    30 I imagine barrier systems are more expensive to run than pay and display, but in the latter you either put something in the windscreen to not get clamped, something that can be forgotton, stolen or taken home when they're supposed to be returned to the nurses, or a refund scheme, but then what happens if you forget to feed the meter?

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  • 36. At 6:24pm on 16 Sep 2010, SirStarryKnight wrote:

    Driving through Liverpool years ago I was amused to see a huge hand-written slogan daubed on the gable end of a tenement. It read: 'We love our Pope'. However, a later hand had amended the message to read: 'We love our Popeye.'
    Some things you simply never forget.

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  • 37. At 6:24pm on 16 Sep 2010, U14519596 wrote:

    34. edwardjecle
    And the prize for subtle irony goes to...

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  • 38. At 6:26pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:

    34 We look forward to seeing those suggestions and how enthusiastically they are taken up.

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  • 39. At 6:31pm on 16 Sep 2010, Looternite wrote:

    jonathanmorse, IMOORE, SirStarryKnight

    Interesting that in England you will get free parking to go to the supermarket to buy cigarettes, alcohol and fat filled products but pay a fortune to park at the hospital.
    Something is topsey turvey here.

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  • 40. At 6:31pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:

    A quick search found that this pigeon race has been done before, twice, in Australia and South Africa.

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  • 41. At 6:38pm on 16 Sep 2010, Ellis P Otter wrote:

    The Flashing Candle

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  • 42. At 6:40pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:

    39 I'm sure that where land is cheap enough supermarkets and hospitals can provide free parking.

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  • 43. At 6:40pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:


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  • 44. At 6:51pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:

    Perhaps the BBC can save money for its licence fee cap by closing its Manchester site?

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  • 45. At 6:52pm on 16 Sep 2010, IMOORE wrote:


    Yes something is very wrong. The hospital car parks I know of have pay and display meters, as such I don't see why they can't send a parking voucher along with the appointment letter.

    As for funds, well the coalition can afford a £100 million referendum on AV that nobody wants, yet can't afford to give English cancer patients free parking, that sums up their priorities and the low view they have of the English sick. If there was an English Parliament standing up for English people you can be dammed sure the money would be found to give English cancer patients free parking.

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  • 46. At 6:57pm on 16 Sep 2010, Lady_Sue wrote:

    We've had to pay for hospital parking in Ireland for at least a decade. It was €2, recently increased to €3 for an indefinite period of time and there is an area for about 50 cars to park for free, if you're lucky. It's not a lot to pay for a visit, I imagine the hospital make a tidy profit from it and why shouldn't they try to bump up their finances in this fairly reasonable way?

    We pay for most supermarket parking too.

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  • 47. At 6:59pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:

    A youngish woman (teenager, graduate?) from Catholic Voices has just compared the Pope's visit to the banking crisis, on BBC TV SE news. She went on to say that she understood the Pope's call for ethics to relate to workers rights and excessive bonuses.

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  • 48. At 7:08pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:

    45 you can't know that, someone has to pay for it unless the land is free, there's plenty of dirt cheap land in Scotland to park on, not so in England. An English Parliament would probably be consistently run by the Tories who tend not to fund the NHS and assume that if you want it you pay for it, even if it's because you are ill.

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  • 49. At 7:15pm on 16 Sep 2010, Cherry Frances wrote:

    Agressive secularism


    Agressive physical / psychological / sexual abuse all under the guise of a catholic education

    and it has been going on for decades - decades during which all the senior clergy will have been schooled and trained and will have known about what was going on as did everybody being educated in catholic instutions.

    They're all just ****** off because they've been found out and challenged to put their houses in order.

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  • 50. At 7:25pm on 16 Sep 2010, Anne P wrote:

    46 Lady Sue, my digital signal dropped out (don't you just love DAB) but I think the issue is not with the occasional hospital visit, but those people attending for months for treatment, or visiting day after day someone seriously ill or dying. Problem in many places is that if they didn't charge for parking the spaces would be taken up by non-hospital parking.

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  • 51. At 7:26pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:

    1 They have eternal lives, didn't you know?

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  • 52. At 7:28pm on 16 Sep 2010, Jonathan Morse wrote:

    50 And someone has to pay for the enforcement to keep out the non hospital users. I imagine gated systems are expensive so they don't easily fail or damage vehicles going through.

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  • 53. At 8:27pm on 16 Sep 2010, DiY wrote:

    Wots a Pope?

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  • 54. At 8:29pm on 16 Sep 2010, Lady_Sue wrote:

    Anne@50: yes, I was going to put in a caveat that repeated visits might become expensive for the patient. However, most cancer patients (for instance) might have to attend every day for a few weeks and there may also be the instance of visiting someone who is seriously ill or dying - in both cases, I'm sure, the outlay would be seen as inconsequential with regard to the purpose and would benefit the hospital.

    Most hospitals are struggling (they shouldn't be but they are) - if we knew that our parking fee of eg. €3 were going towards a new heart monitory/kidney machine/baby monitor - who of us would begrudge the charge?

    Another consideration is that the hospital to which I refer is "in the middle of nowhere" and would therefore not be the sort of place that lends itself to "non hospital parking".

    Sadly I missed most of the programme - can anyone tell me if there was an answer to the 'Election photographer' questions posed on the AM GB?

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  • 55. At 8:45pm on 16 Sep 2010, Noisette D Agneau wrote:

    Some car parks I know have a barrier system which issues a ticket. You pay the charge at a coin machine inside the facility as you're leaving, and it marks your card so that the exit barrier opens. If one was on a necessary visit, surely tokens could be issued.

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  • 56. At 8:52pm on 16 Sep 2010, Lady_Sue wrote:

    Noisette D Agneau - please do not despair! You are being modded because you are "new" and the mods have to check you out. Apparently. Do not give up - you will appear soon and welcome to the blog!

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  • 57. At 8:59pm on 16 Sep 2010, Noisette D Agneau wrote:

    Thank you for the welcome and encouragement, Lady Sue. I'll try and get the hang of this blogging.

    Are you actually a real Lady? Fancy that!

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  • 58. At 9:11pm on 16 Sep 2010, Ellis P Otter wrote:

    Hmm, is Lady Sue really that naive?

    Anyway, while we wait for Sequin's lovely picture for the new Beach...

    Jesus Pie and Agnes Day will entertain us temporarily.

    It's a funny old jukebox this one...

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  • 59. At 9:23pm on 16 Sep 2010, Ellis P Otter wrote:

    Oh Crud - wrong thread, sorry.

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  • 60. At 11:38pm on 16 Sep 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 61. At 06:44am on 17 Sep 2010, Lady_Sue wrote:

    Ellis@58: when I posted there was no text, merely a "mod" message. I had thought NDA might be a newcomer and was just trying to be welcoming. I don't know why he keeps changing his identity. Perhaps an apology will be forthcoming.

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  • 62. At 10:28am on 17 Sep 2010, davmcn wrote:

    Our local hospital charges to park and this leads to people using parking places in streets near the hospital. Then the council decides whether or not to charge people who live in those streets to park in front of their own houses to prevent hospital users from parking there. I remember when the hospital didn't charge and think it is just another gov't money making scheme.

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  • 63. At 11:05am on 17 Sep 2010, U14519596 wrote:

    61. Lady Sue

    • "I don't know why he keeps changing his identity."

    Beach bums are like that sometimes.

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  • 64. At 11:48am on 17 Sep 2010, elcej wrote:

    62. davmcn

    It is just another gov't money making scheme.

    I put in a Freedom of Information request for my local (massive) hospital for their car park accounts. They show it's true, the government does make £millions from parking charges.

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  • 65. At 4:35pm on 17 Sep 2010, davmcn wrote:

    ej 64, But remember, the upkeep must cost trillions.

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  • 66. At 3:10pm on 20 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:

    Danny Alexander's home he sold in London never was his first home.... 'till he sold it, so getting CGT relief.

    What with this example guiding how seriously we should take Lib Dem avoiding avoidance plans and the Lib Dem list of party donors....

    ...one term only, eh, Clegg? Good, out by Xmas.

    This is a party of Leaders doing what Voters and party members don't want. They pursue their own extreme views (no home for Labour dissidents like Shirley Williams or those opposing Post Ofice privatisation?)

    Glad the technical details of how the Leaders do it at 118 at


    are back on this Lib Dem day of judgement day. (Flavour of argument at 121)

    Clegg thinks anyone wannts to join a party of fiscal reform that doesn't hit ALL of the top 30 percent harder than it does the poor (it leaves 2/3 of them less hard hit by the tax and benefit changes), that recommends an electoral reform that is undemocratic (quotas violate majority decsion making - see the 118 above)??? Goodnes, he's a one man band.

    The extremists in the Tory and Lib Dem parties are supporting each other's excesses.

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  • 67. At 3:14pm on 20 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:

    The wrong sort of coalition:

    An alcoholic meets an addict of pain killers. Instead of moderate drinking and pills only enough to cope with the occasional headache, they both max out on both booze and pills.

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  • 68. At 5:08pm on 20 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:

    Same old tribal politics. Clegg's tribe, Tory-Lib Dem great. LAbour tribe awful. Not even worth contemplating a coalition with them then? History re-written.

    6 percent of the economy disappeared. No, it stood idle. 6 percent of demnd fueled by asset inflation disappeared.

    That is why cuts and QE are not the answer. The answer is to put the right sort of spending into the economy, school repairs and increased money for the poor to spend. And to take the right sort of aspending out of the economy - that by the rich.

    Goodness, the echo use made Clegg sound like Orson Wells in Citizen Hearst.

    His emphsis on the future means poor achools now, the poor still poor now, and the rightful taking of power in this country by the poor and dispossessed postponed indefinitely again.

    PS Have you noticed the Oxbridge climb-down, More glottal stops. The bloke'll be a cockney by the end of his term at Xmas.

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  • 69. At 5:14pm on 20 Sep 2010, davmcn wrote:

    SaR 66, So, not a Lib Dem supporter, then? Get over it, Noo Labour ain't running things. Nyah nyah!

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  • 70. At 5:15pm on 20 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:

    Looking forward to the Eddie Mair 'Are you a liar?' interviews. Go for it!

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  • 71. At 5:58pm on 20 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:

    That's ALL we get on the Deputy PM's speech to his party?

    This coalition is a lie preciesly becusee it isn't at the balnce point of the parties.

    Clegg has abilished the idea there is any such thing.

    Which leaves the coaltion free to pursue its Leaders' madnesses including the war in Afghanistan, cuts now, derilict schools etc. These are NOt at the median voter positon of the Tories nad Lib Dems.

    C'mon Eddie. These guys are lying. What's stopping you?

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  • 72. At 10:19am on 21 Sep 2010, davmcn wrote:

    SaR 71, And now Clegg is off to the UN, not somebody from Gnu Labour. Shame...

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  • 73. At 11:34am on 22 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:

    Blimey, it's like Mr Barrowclough and Mr Mackay

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  • 74. At 12:23pm on 22 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:

    KNOWING they are in the Coalition, the Lib Dem Confernce has made it PARTY POLICY to oppose Gove's schools policy.

    So how CAN any Lib Dem MP vote for it?

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  • 75. At 1:04pm on 22 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 76. At 1:07pm on 22 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:


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  • 77. At 1:12pm on 22 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:

    Shape shifter!

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  • 78. At 4:10pm on 22 Sep 2010, Thruns_Guinneabottle wrote:

    This is last Thursday's blog. Look at the dates.
    Today's has been closed.

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