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Carolyn at the Conference...on our stand with Andy Burnham

Eddie Mair | 17:12 UK time, Monday, 27 September 2010


  • 1. At 5:36pm on 27 Sep 2010, Sindy wrote:

    Just as a matter of interest ... if Ed Miliband really beat his brother by the 'smallest possible margin' as the BBC suggested, this implies that there were only 77 voters. Perhaps Labour is declining faster than we thought ...

    Yours in the service of mathematical rigour,


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  • 2. At 6:05pm on 27 Sep 2010, blatch wrote:

    Why do we always have to go with the psychoanalytic rather dismal perspective on human nature... reference the brotherly relationship between Ed and David Miliband. This trotted out sibling rivalry idea denigrates the often deep sense of loyalty, love and belonging that siblings feel. We are not just animals that tear each other apart given the opportunity, there is great love and loyalty within family systems that often outweighs rivalry... what in my view is more likely is that there may be less conscious issues of guilt for Ed and shame for David. In my view we should see the difficulties that they may have as a result of this election with compassion and understanding, rather than making it a topic for cavalier interpretation and prediction with questionable humour.

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  • 3. At 6:10pm on 27 Sep 2010, Big Sister wrote:

    Sid, in the final round (i.e. the round that counted) David M received 147,080 votes while the winner received 175,397 votes. All the talk of percentages masks the fact that Ed M won with a majority of 28,317 votes.

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  • 4. At 6:14pm on 27 Sep 2010, Sindy wrote:

    I know, Big Sis - that's my point. 28317 votes is NOT 'the smallest possible margin'.

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  • 5. At 6:15pm on 27 Sep 2010, Ellis P Otter wrote:

    The best journalism in the world - quite a claim, guys!

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  • 6. At 6:16pm on 27 Sep 2010, Big Sister wrote:

    Agreed, Sid.

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  • 7. At 6:19pm on 27 Sep 2010, The Intermittent Horse wrote:

    Sid (1) - As I said elsewhere, there has been so much nonsesnse talked about this leadership election on TV, radio and the press. I took the trouble to visit The Labour Party website today and examined the voting in the various 'colleges' and how the transfers worked out.
    I think if a few commentators had taken the trouble to do the same, we wouldn't have such stupid and ill-informed headlines and questions put to interviewees.

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  • 8. At 6:26pm on 27 Sep 2010, lucien desgai wrote:

    Nice slogan, but is 'The Best Journalism in the World' really as good as CNN's 'Best Team in Politics'? Wolf Blitzer takes a lot of beating.

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  • 9. At 6:27pm on 27 Sep 2010, Alan_N wrote:

    7 - It is troubling the way that the rules and outcome of the election are being misrepresented in such a way as to imply that the bad old days of the union block vote are still with us. Thankfully they are not. One might expect that sort of thing from the Daily Wail, but not from the 'Best Journalism in the World' ought to rise above such things.

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  • 10. At 6:53pm on 27 Sep 2010, DiY wrote:

    Aye...we're all doomed I tell ye.....DOOMED!

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  • 11. At 7:57pm on 27 Sep 2010, Noisette D Agneau wrote:

    blatch 2.
    "In my view we should see the difficulties that they may have as a result of this election with compassion and understanding, rather than making it a topic for cavalier interpretation and prediction with questionable humour."


    And the remarks of Sis, Sid, and Horse as well.

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  • 12. At 8:10pm on 27 Sep 2010, DiY wrote:


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  • 13. At 8:15pm on 27 Sep 2010, Steve_Worp wrote:

    I get the feeling that there is more and more a Daily Mail agenda being followed - and it seems to me that Mrs Quinn always pursues a question until the answer she gets fits in with her own particular bias - But then she was always like that before she joined PM - During the various news programs this Monday there has been Sara on Today pursuing the importance "Union" vote, this lunchtime and now this evening with Quinn following the same line - the slender minority - elected with the union vote - Alan_N is right - this is not the Best Journalism in the World.

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  • 14. At 8:21pm on 27 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:


    Oh. deary me.

    It would imply one of the component colleges had only 77 members.

    Anyway, not too bad from you.

    Try the first 20 or so lines of this, now:


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  • 15. At 8:32pm on 27 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:

    77X3, rather!

    Red (:-(

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  • 16. At 8:33pm on 27 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:

    My congratualitions to the blog owners.

    Recent posts seem to have more sensible themes than some in the past.

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  • 17. At 9:29pm on 27 Sep 2010, annasee wrote:

    And is that really the best studio space they could spare for the "Best Journalism in the World" practitioners? You couldn't swing a mouse in there! Don't tell me- the BBC have to buy space from the Labour party to set up their interview booth, & it's £2000 per square inch.
    I'm thinking if you have a lot of nervous stressed interviewees it might get a bit sweaty in there & you'd be awfully close to each other...;-)

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  • 18. At 10:25pm on 27 Sep 2010, Sindy wrote:

    16. SunandRain

    100 times, boy - 'congratulations'

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  • 19. At 10:35pm on 27 Sep 2010, Sindy wrote:

    14. SunandRain

    And I think we may need to double your remedial maths classes, too.

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  • 20. At 02:16am on 28 Sep 2010, Redheylin wrote:

    I think it's absolutely disgusting. None of the MPs voted for him, none of the ordinary members voted for him but he had the nerve to get voted in by the unions which is completely undemocratic as they are communists who do nothing but collectivise to protect workers. Don't they know the USA won the Cold War? No wonder Nick Robinson's thinking of resigning, I mean Mrs Milliband. This is a step back to the dark days of the thirties when the forces of evil caused the Wall Street crash, just when we thought the free market enlightenment had ended boom and bust and we'd stepped out into the fresh air of equality and full employment. It's a knife in the back of ordinary people who want nothing more than to go on the dole to shore up the monetary system they believe in and then get kicked off it for being lazy. It's nothing other than a return to Victorian values, and the only reasonable thing to do is to pillory the cheat before he says anything. Thank goodness our non-aligned press and public service broadcasting see through the ghastly dinosaur charade and oppose this Stalinist travesty of democracy for the ungodly disenchantment with St. Tony that it undoubtedly, and blasphemously, is!!!!!!!!!!

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  • 21. At 02:42am on 28 Sep 2010, U14595260 wrote:


    From none to....none.

    What of the first 20 or so lines of


    It shows that STV can distort voter patterns and that quotas are downright illogical, only ever working by coincidence.

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  • 22. At 10:07am on 28 Sep 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    13. Hear hear! I have personally found C.Quinn unlistenable to with her weird intonation and that triumphant sneery edge with which she says 'Thank you very much' at the end of an interview as if she has wrung something significant out of the interviewee. So days without Eddie were days without PM as far as I was concerned.

    And this is the best journalism in the world? Hollow laugh.

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  • 23. At 10:10am on 28 Sep 2010, Sindy wrote:

    22. DoctorDolots
    "And this is the best journalism in the world? Hollow laugh."

    Can you name a better national public broadcaster?

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  • 24. At 10:13am on 28 Sep 2010, Tim wrote:

    All this Ed.V.Dave stuff begs the question, as yet unasked, - who, in reality, controls Labour - in or out of Government. Isn't this the 'same old, same o..,' Union (block) voting in Labour as of yor?

    'con afecto...'


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  • 25. At 10:15am on 28 Sep 2010, Alan_N wrote:

    22 - Saying thank you at the end of an interview is simply good manners.

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  • 26. At 10:17am on 28 Sep 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    Further to my post a few days ago about Scotland being self-sufficient in renewables, this might be of interest to some doubters/sneerers, and perhaps the BBC which still puts out the misinformation that only 2% of the UK's energy is currently supplied from renewables, when it is now actually 10% just from wind power according to the National Grid

    But you won't find this in a booth.

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  • 27. At 10:17am on 28 Sep 2010, Sindy wrote:

    25. Alan_N
    "22 - Saying thank you at the end of an interview is simply good manners."

    Not if you use a 'triumphant sneery edge'.

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  • 28. At 10:19am on 28 Sep 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    25. My comment concerned the weird way it is said, not the content.

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  • 29. At 10:25am on 28 Sep 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    23. Al Jazeera. Try them some time, they give impartial news, from all round the world, and none of the sucking up, chatterati political class obsessions the BBC is now wallowing in.

    Then there's Reuters, which supplies a wide range of news subjects, including to such organisations as Planet Ark - news that actually matters, not the same old Westminster gossip about tawdry feuds, alliances and in-fighting by people who mostly shouldn't be allowed anywhere near to power.

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  • 30. At 10:26am on 28 Sep 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    Thank you very muuuuch.

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  • 31. At 10:29am on 28 Sep 2010, davmcn wrote:

    I read where Ed is going to slag off Blair and Brown today. I don't remember him doing that when they were in power.

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  • 32. At 10:32am on 28 Sep 2010, davmcn wrote:

    BS 3, Wow, I got over 147,000 votes and I wasn't even runnung!

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  • 33. At 10:39am on 28 Sep 2010, Sindy wrote:

    29. DoctorDolots

    As I said, can you name a better national public broadcaster?

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  • 34. At 10:45am on 28 Sep 2010, CG wrote:

    # 23, Sid, can you name another public broadcaster you have listened too?

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  • 35. At 10:49am on 28 Sep 2010, Sindy wrote:

    34. bankingballs

    Classic FM.

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  • 36. At 12:01pm on 28 Sep 2010, Steve_Worp wrote:

    Agreeing with Alan_N - Most of PM nowadays is made up of sneer and snide and aren't we so so clever - the master of it Eddie Meier and it trickles down - Quinn was bad when she was on Today now she is awful.

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  • 37. At 12:28pm on 28 Sep 2010, Alan_N wrote:

    36 - You may be agreeing with me, but I am certainly not agreeing with you!

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  • 38. At 12:29pm on 28 Sep 2010, mittfh wrote:

    Not that I normally read The Torygraph, but someone's just pointed out Matt's cartoon for today - brilliant :)

    "Instead of the Red Flag, we'll be singing the Rolf Harris hit, Two Little Boys"

    Very apt, especially given Ed's offer to David.

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  • 39. At 12:48pm on 28 Sep 2010, The Intermittent Horse wrote:

    I reckon that there must be something wrong with my hearing. I have never found anything wrong with Carolyn Quinn's intonation. I have never heard her 'sneer and snide'. I HAVE heard her say "Thank you very much" at the end of interviews and have always thought that it represented good manners.

    Funny how we hear different things, ain't it?

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  • 40. At 5:06pm on 28 Sep 2010, davmcn wrote:

    Sid 35, PBS.

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  • 41. At 5:12pm on 28 Sep 2010, davmcn wrote:

    So, Ed Milipede won't reverse some coalition decisions. I think I've heard that said from other parties before.

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  • 42. At 5:14pm on 28 Sep 2010, davmcn wrote:

    I suppose Ed Minibus got a standing round of applesauce.

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  • 43. At 5:15pm on 28 Sep 2010, davmcn wrote:

    I hope the 'music' played after Minicab's speech is no reflection on his taste in music.

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  • 44. At 5:33pm on 28 Sep 2010, mittfh wrote:

    Does anyone get the impression davmcn isn't a fan of the current Labour leader? As for Ed criticising his predecessors, welcome to the world of politics...

    Tony is disliked by many for various reasons, including going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Gordon is disliked by many for various reasons, including being very bed at thinking on the hoof - and bailing out the banks (which contributed a significant amount to our current deficit).

    So with Ed now in charge, it's important for him (and by extension, his support) to distance himself from his predecessors. The easiest way of doing that is pointing out the things he thinks his supporters think they got wrong.

    After all, politics is all about telling your supporters what you think they want to hear, not necessarily what they need to hear. Similarly, many politicians in media interviews answer the questions they want asked, not the questions that have been asked. And if they can ram home the message of "we are miles better than them", so much the better :)

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  • 45. At 10:31am on 01 Oct 2010, davmcn wrote:

    Sid 35, As Classic FM does adverts, I don't consider it to be public broadcasting.

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  • 46. At 10:41am on 01 Oct 2010, Sindy wrote:

    45. davmcn

    The BBC does adverts.

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  • 47. At 5:59pm on 01 Oct 2010, Sindy wrote:

    Carolyn Quinn said to come to the blog if we have thoughts about the first item on tonight's show - I wonder if Eddie's told her about the demise of the glass boxes?

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  • 48. At 6:17pm on 01 Oct 2010, davmcn wrote:

    Sid 46, Only for itself. Hardly the same as Auto Glass Repair.

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  • 49. At 6:19pm on 01 Oct 2010, davmcn wrote:

    Sid 48, I'll bet they weren't pleased to have to mention the Blog on that bit at the end reading listeners comments.

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  • 50. At 09:56am on 01 Sep 2011, Big Sister wrote:

    Only three weeks til the next Conference season ...

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  • 51. At 6:06pm on 05 Sep 2011, DividedTheyRule wrote:

    Good background. Trouble is, the bloke has paid the ideology price of education.

    (The ideology price is the damage the institutions do to you in return for telling you stuff. Eg if you got a scholarship you wind up thinking you must be cleverer than other people. Oxbridge tells you you're superior etc)

    He's also paid the ideological price of power. To become a Cabinet placeman, 'my party right or wrong', 'my leader right or wrong' became his mantras

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  • 52. At 5:27pm on 22 Sep 2011, anytimeade wrote:

    Well,Summer Schools for kids .,bet the kids and Teachers are really cheering for that ,cut their pensions,make them work longer ,cut their pay ,and now their summer holidays ,Brilliant !well done not, Cleggy ,great outcome from conference ,i wonder how much they will charge the kids for the pleasure ?

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  • 53. At 12:40pm on 23 Sep 2011, DividedTheyRule wrote:

    Watch that lot of ruthless self seekers that Miliband and his advisors comprise, argue Blair was right about Iraq....'cos it meant we were free to bomb Libyan pro-Gaddafi civilians to bits. ('Cameron's international success is really Blairs'!)

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  • 54. At 09:52am on 24 Sep 2011, DividedTheyRule wrote:

    In the phantasy world of public debate we currently have

    1. 'Cameron Clegg and Osbourne are destroying the Green Belt' No, they are making themselves sound right-on about the housing shortage whilst relying on the Daily Telegraph, J Dimbleby and Private Eye to rouse public opinion and so protect their estates for them

    2. 'Abbas and Fatah are really making progress' No, this is a facile charade designed to take leadership of the Plastinian people away from Hamas, whilst achieving nothing.

    3. The banks are the problem, they neeed to be re4capitalised' Anne Pettifor, New Econ Foundation. 'Its the Greeks borrowing too much from the banks' Barclays spokesperson. ...Sounds like the same thjing to me. In fact the crisis is Lack of World Equality and the very existence of the money sums that move from bourses to bond markets to currency markets causing disruption asnd crisis everywhere - and all in order to get profit. Freeze those assets forever whether of banks, hedge funds, foundations etc

    4. 'The solution is QE.' No, that just inflates existing paper assets (which is NOT investment) and can be used to disguise increases in public borrowing which is used to fund the unemployment the Coalition govt has created.

    Lets hope the Lasbour Party DE-mystifies. But with so many in the leadership ranks Oxbridge educated to compromise I doubt they will

    PS Talking of media phantasy debates....What price the faster than light nutrinos going the way of Zeta?!?!

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