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Eddie Mair | 05:54 UK time, Thursday, 4 February 2010

glasssunrise1.JPG You may have read your morning paper and listened to the radio, and have some ideas you want to hear on PM tonight.

Perhaps a question about something in the news you would like answered - or better still, direct experience of something topical. Or maybe there's an aspect to a big story you haven't heard explored that you would like to hear.

The PM team will meet in a real glass box at 11am. Why not be part of the meeting by sharing your thoughts in this virtual glass box?


  • 1. At 06:21am on 04 Feb 2010, Lady_Sue wrote:

    A report from 'Astronomy Ireland':

    "On the evening of February 3rd, a huge fireball was seen by thousands of people in Ireland. This fireball was a large rock - possibly the size of a car - striking our atmosphere and blazing into flames."

    Any more news on this? Where it was seen? Chances of finding bits of meteor? It seems there was another one on Sunday night too - can we expect any more?

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  • 2. At 07:42am on 04 Feb 2010, funnyJoedunn wrote:

    It is reported that wholesale gas rices have dropped as much as 60% recently. However, British gas, in justification of their mere 7% price reduction to consumers say, 'The gas we are using now was bought wholesale 2 years ago when it was at a much higher price'. Does this mean then that in 2 years time we can expect a huge reduction in our gas bills? If not, why not? Quite simple really.

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  • 3. At 07:48am on 04 Feb 2010, funnyJoedunn wrote:

    Oh, btw, how much did those MPs get for that new channel 4 gimmick?

    MPs had numerous occasions to change and make transparent their expenses and allowances system. On every occasion there was an overwhelming house of commons vote to keep their corruption a secret.

    They only have themselves to blame!

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  • 4. At 08:37am on 04 Feb 2010, Sindy wrote:

    Someone on the radio talking about buying government guilt. Hmmm.

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  • 5. At 08:44am on 04 Feb 2010, Sindy wrote:

    It was Lord Owen. But we should listen, nonetheless. At the last election, we voted like this:

    Labour: 35.2%
    Conservative: 32.3%
    Others: 32.5%

    Our electoral system will continue to favour the first two, with 'others' being sidelined ... until when? Presumably there will come a point when the electors realise that they have not voted for the government of the day, and they don't want them ... and then we will have anarchy - won't we?

    (I'll post this on the furrowed brow, too.)

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  • 6. At 10:04am on 04 Feb 2010, Looternite wrote:

    Wow a positive news story. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8497277.stm
    will this get headline billing by the BBC, I suspect not.
    Well done to the social workers and government over the past 30 years.

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  • 7. At 10:07am on 04 Feb 2010, Patrick Too wrote:

    We had a huge fireball too! Been nothing seen like that before! Though some older people possibly remember something similar at one point in the past year. Vague recollection that it's called "The Sun"? Could anyone clarify?

    What's the betting PM will want someone to read the MP payments report today? ;)

    "Upperks Downperks" anyone?

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  • 8. At 10:08am on 04 Feb 2010, Looternite wrote:

    Sorry Big Sister, I am now tending to your view regarding football players. Further story that this time I think changes the position.

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  • 9. At 10:20am on 04 Feb 2010, Big Sister wrote:

    Looternite: Thanks for that. Anything that could cause problems within the team are issues that should be in the public domain. Betrayal of a team mate, or ex team mate, or someone within the close circle of a team, is bound to cause problems. The issue of infidelity is another matter. Sadly, because this issue involved betrayal, the innocent parties are exposed to media interest - which is most unfortunate.

    If I were a friend, or team mate, of Mr. Terry, I'd be very worried about what else he might have been doing. Doesn't exactly make for a good atmosphere, does it?

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  • 10. At 10:22am on 04 Feb 2010, Big Sister wrote:

    Sid, didn't you think Lord Owen is sounding posher and posher? I recognised his voice during the interview, but was intrigued at how very upper class he now sounds - yes, he was always well spoken, but to hear him today, you'd have thought he'd been born into his peerage.

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  • 11. At 10:29am on 04 Feb 2010, GotToTheEnd wrote:


    Please stop thinking thes market makers just sit round putting 1 per cent on their personal private weaolth holdings any day they think they can get away with it.

    Cos it all went pear shaped foor them yesterday afternoon. They suddenly realised we are on to them. (They get a touch of the gilts)

    Then they drop their own value (and that of the shares wealth of the rich minority here) to say how worried markets are.
    Profit taking, ahead of US employment figures? No, just plain 'Better be cautious, there's a lot of criticism of our private money making machine about at the moment'

    And there's this, too
    Fox News said last week that government debt is a threat to the wealthy ('Pimco boss sees nitroglycerene gilt market' stuff). Now Lord Owen of Colonial Africa (which it still would have been with him at the FO) agrees.
    For them, the rich and their advocates, government spending is a threat. They, the rich, can't create for themselves all the money they want and spernd it, if government is providing education, health, housing etc services to the least well off at the same time. The two sources of expenditure would be inflationary.

    The rich always fight the perfectly proper view that they should be taxed to pay for those services to the less well off. Now they're on the offensive, moaning even about us BORROWING their money!!

    Hence the Fox News - Lord Owen - Cameron ideology, the intention of which is to CROWD OUT governement spending with the uberconsumption of the rich.

    Let this Ftse fall! The more it falls the more the poor get in government spending and the more irrelevant the rich look to real economic progress.

    Without Mervyn spending our money to bid up their own assets with, where are they?

    These Ftse falls make we, the people, better off and the case for taxing the useless rich even stronger.

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  • 12. At 10:37am on 04 Feb 2010, Looternite wrote:

    11. ExpectingtheEnd
    I know you are usually concerned about the stock exchange and its capitalistic gambling.
    However I would be interested in your opinion on the commodity speculators and their impact on the producers and consumers. I am talking about global traded items like coffee, oil, corn, metal ores, etc.
    I was interested by the apparent oil spikes that are generated by speculation.
    I think this sort of thing needs to be investigated and we need to know how these wealthy people live off exploitation, more so that the city spivs, do you think.

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  • 13. At 11:07am on 04 Feb 2010, Sindy wrote:

    BS @ 10 - yes, perhaps that's why I didn't recognise him straight away (I don't really listen to Today with the attention I pay to PM). Funny chap - could have been something, but too flawed ...

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  • 14. At 11:43am on 04 Feb 2010, GotToTheEnd wrote:



    And that surely needs international organisation.

    It seems to be the same dosh which moves from one speculation to another, from one commodity to another, from commodities to shares, to property to currencies and so on.

    All in s pointless rounderlay where the only people who benefit are the speculators and we pay them their profits.

    Weren't those gas prices fJd considers above, jacked up, then by speculation?

    And Big Sister complined long and hard (quite rightly) some time ago about oil speculation

    Some people seem to admire these speculators. They throw a few quid at a charity and think they've got away with it.

    A nineteenth century thinker pointed out the aim of these people was
    M-C-M, Money into Commodities to make Money. Thus they debauched the traditional C-M-C of honest traders selling their Commodities for Money, simply to buy the Commodities they need.

    (They say now that hedge fund 'dealers' in 'financial instruments' (or wide boys placing ringer bets, as they're better known****) have degenerated a stage further into M-M-M transactions. Money buying money with money to sell for money

    Yep, oil and gas seem to me to be the ones to watch. What do you think, is it possible ot control these people with their hot money?

    **** Will Hutton, a bril critic of markets (but always comes to the conclusion they can be reformed) says a lot of the astounding financial gambling losses during the crash were deliberate tax avoiding transfers from one branch of an international banking conglomerate to another

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  • 15. At 11:51am on 04 Feb 2010, Looternite wrote:

    I was also thinking as you point out, regarding currency speculation. Can someone please explain how is the exchange rate, between say Pound to Euro or Pound to Dollar, decided upon.
    One day it is up the next it is down, these movements affect the prices we pay for our shopping as most stuff is imported.

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  • 16. At 11:57am on 04 Feb 2010, Lady_Sue wrote:

    What has happened to that column in London everyone had a one-hour perch on?

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  • 17. At 12:07pm on 04 Feb 2010, GotToTheEnd wrote:

    Yeah, betrayed the Labour Party with the other traitors.

    Jenkins, who, under Wilson, lost the trade figures which would have saved us from Edward Heath. He lost them just before the General Election. His reward was in an Oxbridge Mastership and city directorships, and his own politcal party, called today the Lib Dems.

    Dame Shirley, she of the heridary seat in the chattering classes' talking shops, now televised and broadcast. A real QT person. Betrayer of every new University (They weren't good enough in her view to BE universities)
    Once a member of Nick Cleggs's elitist Parliamentary team. She has recanted her former ways by helping Gordon Brown now, on nuclear proliferation. One giant step ....towards agreeing she should have had a proper job.

    As for the other one. He too, like Owen, Williams and Jenkins decided to ignore the electorate and become a Peer.

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  • 18. At 12:15pm on 04 Feb 2010, GotToTheEnd wrote:

    Yeah, and whatever has happened to Channel 4 Midday News???

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  • 19. At 12:24pm on 04 Feb 2010, Big Sister wrote:

    Apparently the origins of the futures market are very very old, and Aristotle tells of an olive grower who speculated in this way, becoming very rich as a result.


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  • 20. At 1:00pm on 04 Feb 2010, Thunderbird wrote:

    Do you think John Terry got Tony Blair off the hook at the end of last week?

    I wonder if Mr Brown has a similar plan.

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  • 21. At 1:13pm on 04 Feb 2010, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    Sir Christopher Meyer seems to be challenging Tony Blair's 'pitch' at the Chilcott Inquiry. Might make a good interview for PM - an aggrieved man wanting to say more?

    Sir Christopher Meyer said of Blair's performance at the inquiry:

    “In other words, it was to say no regrets, I’d do it again, and by the way if I was [still] Prime Minister I’d do Iran also. It’s nonsense about Iran.”

    What does he mean by, "It's nonsense about Iran"?


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  • 22. At 1:18pm on 04 Feb 2010, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    The news today is that 390 MPs have been made to to pay back expenses.

    I seem to recall many commenting last summer, "Of course the vast majority of MPs are not affected by this scandal," or similar.

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  • 23. At 1:23pm on 04 Feb 2010, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    @Lady Sue #1

    "Chances of finding bits of meteor?"

    No chance whatsoever - but you might find bits of meteorite.


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  • 24. At 1:25pm on 04 Feb 2010, bright-eyedwendym wrote:

    I find it interesting that Barbara Follett MP (Lab) has some of the biggest expenses in Parliament. Isn't she the wife of millionaire 'novelist' Ken? Not that I would expect her to rely on her husband's wealth- though come to think of it he can afford it better than the good old British taxpayer.I wonder if anyone at the BBC will make as much of a fuss about this one as they did some of the others which are constantly referred to.

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  • 25. At 1:37pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    1. Lady Sue - http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/huge-blazing-fireball-sighted-in-sky-above-ireland-14665311.html

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  • 26. At 1:40pm on 04 Feb 2010, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    @Looternite #6
    Good link about the reduction in violent child deaths. Begs many questions though:

    Why are violent child deaths in Spain so low?

    Why has the situation deteriorated in NL?

    USA results are not surprising.

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  • 27. At 1:41pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    23. Or even bits of a meteoroid.

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  • 28. At 1:43pm on 04 Feb 2010, Big Sister wrote:

    Wendy, I agree. She justified the claims (according to the Press) on the basis that she'd been mugged and stalked. I gather she didn't claim mortgage interest payments on her second home. Looking at her expenses record, she's far from being the highest claimer on expenses overall, but it does seem to have been a lapse of judgment to charge her security to the taxpayer, given that she is married to a multimillionaire!

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  • 29. At 1:46pm on 04 Feb 2010, Ellis P Otter wrote:

    1 - Lady Sue. Of course it might not be a meteorite at all but a piece of space junk “Since the advent of the space-age over five decades ago, more than thirty-five thousand man-made objects have been cataloged by the U.S. Space Surveillance Network,” the agency [NASA] notes. “Nearly twenty-thousand of those objects remain in orbit today, ninety-four percent of which are non-functioning orbital debris.”

    From http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/09/pentagon-wants-space-junk-cleaner

    I know most stuf will burn up on re-entry but some of those old satellites are big as buses.
    At some point all this rubbish is going to cause some harm to somebody, surely.

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  • 30. At 1:49pm on 04 Feb 2010, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    @Expecting #17
    "Jenkins decided to ignore the electorate and become a Peer."

    Or even a pear.

    He wrote a very good book on Churchill though, better than Martin Gilbert's biased offering.

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  • 31. At 2:03pm on 04 Feb 2010, David Shepherd wrote:

    As the banks greed was the main cause of the financial crisis and the consequential Government borrowing, can someone explain why we have to pay back the dept over an extended period? Why are the banks not paying back the dept that the Government incurred to support them?
    I suggest there should be an additional tax on all their profits until the dept is paid.
    Any bank that opts to move abroad to avoid this tax should have all its assets frozen until it pays its proportion of the dept.
    Like the rest of us, the banks must learn they cannot take risks at others expense. They need to pay for their mistakes.
    The Government is too soft on these arrogant bankers it should be more aggressive and be prepared to take immediate action to counteract any maneuver the banks may try to make to avoid the action taken.
    It seems to me there is too much of a gentlemens club atmosphere between the mandarins at the Treasury and the Bankers.

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  • 32. At 2:13pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    Just had one of my cards used illegally. While the bank spotted two unusual transactions - paid to book a Travelodge, something I would never do! - and alerted me, they had missed another, and when I asked about investigating the criminal responsible, they seemed uninterested, saying thet I could inform the police if I wanted to, they would just refund the money to my account. Yet the law states that banks must inform the police.

    Do any of these crimes ever get detected? If not, it's a green light for card fraud.

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  • 33. At 2:23pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    Cherie Blair is in trouble for sparing a man from prison because he was religious [a muslim] - a decision she made as a judge at the Inner London Crown Court. National Secular Society has made a complaint.


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  • 34. At 2:42pm on 04 Feb 2010, JGW wrote:

    I would like some questions put to the drug industry about how much they made out of the Swine Flu "scare" and what their profit margin is for the NHS.

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  • 35. At 2:45pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    A UK university registrar has admitted giving fake degrees to African women who allowed him to indulge his sexual fetishes by spanking and caning them.


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  • 36. At 2:52pm on 04 Feb 2010, newlach wrote:

    33 Doctor Dolots

    Outrageous! The villain busted another man's jaw but Cherie Blair lets him walk free because he is religious. How would Cherie feel if it was her jaw that got busted? An interview on PM with someone from the National Secular Society would make a good story.


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  • 37. At 2:56pm on 04 Feb 2010, Crataegus Monogyna wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 38. At 3:30pm on 04 Feb 2010, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    Nick Robinson's blog is quite amusing today:


    Are you bewildered by the latest developments in the MP expenses scandal?

    You needn't be. It's all really very simple.

    Sir Thomas has asked around half of MPs to give money back - because, even if they followed the rules, the rules were wrong.

    But Sir Paul says that Sir Thomas is being too harsh and that the rules were the rules.

    Neither Sir Thomas nor Sir Paul writes the rules for MPs; that's the job of Sir Christopher - except, actually, Sir Ian is the man who really writes them.

    Now Sir Ian is consulting on new rules that are different from the new rules which Sir Christopher wrote.

    Sir Christopher has written to Sir Ian to say that he doesn't agree with the rules, but has no complaint about the way Sir Ian has done his job.

    Meanwhile, Sir Stuart hints that Sir Ian and Sir Paul are right and that Sir Thomas and Sir Christopher are wrong.

    Anyway, all you need to know - according to Sir Stuart - is that the Commons is putting its house in order.

    I hope that's now clear.



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  • 39. At 3:33pm on 04 Feb 2010, Lepus_Madidus wrote:

    Perhaps when the police send out notifications for intended prosecution having been caught by a speed camera they should enclose a form asking if the driver is religious?

    Perhaps I should get one of those shiny fish badges for the back of my car?

    I agree with Dave Shepherd in #31, we seem intent on just stoking up the bubble again.

    If we're to join the French on military adventures can't we also adopt more of their economic model and their stance on residency and the burkha?

    You and I aren't welcome if we walk into a shop or petrol station garage with our full face crash helmets on are we?

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  • 40. At 4:14pm on 04 Feb 2010, GotToTheEnd wrote:

    31 and 39

    A start would be to stop Mervyn King resuming his insane QE policy, which, thank goodness is 'suspended at the moment' (Officially. Of coure Mervyn has secret powers)

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  • 41. At 4:16pm on 04 Feb 2010, Lepus_Madidus wrote:

    Can't we send Eddie as an envoy to ask the French to invade us to save from the greedy, inept bankers and our 3rd rate elected 'representatives' and Brown's facsimile of the former Eastern Bloc?


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  • 42. At 4:18pm on 04 Feb 2010, Lady_Sue wrote:

    GDS, yes thanks for that. [Pedant!;o)]

    I might find one that consists mostly of silicates, which are called stony meteorites and are classified as either chondrites or achondrites. Or one that consists mostly of iron, which are called (not surprisingly) iron meteorites. Or one that consists of a mixture of silicates and iron, which are called stony-iron meteorites. Or, as DocD points out, perhaps we should be referring to them as meteoroids?

    Rather less romantically, as observed by elliespotter@29, maybe they are bits of space junk the size of a bus? Typical - you wait for ages for a bit of space junk to come along and then two come along at once.

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  • 43. At 4:21pm on 04 Feb 2010, Lepus_Madidus wrote:

    I'm not sure how spending £Billions persecuting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and labelling the Iranians as oppressive fits with this DNA database really? It's OK when this government implements a police state, but not OK when swarthy foreigners do it?

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  • 44. At 4:28pm on 04 Feb 2010, pithywriter wrote:

    It is a mystery that only the UK hire Euro docs for this work.
    Friends from EU tell me that the word is out there that there is a fortune to be made by occasional flying in and out to do this cover.
    The bottom line is that as usual the UK does not train enough of our own docs thinking it cheaper to 'steal' staff from other countries to make NHS work! It is immoral and scandalous - besides, we have 5 million people on benefits doing nothing in this country!

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  • 45. At 4:29pm on 04 Feb 2010, pithywriter wrote:


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  • 46. At 4:30pm on 04 Feb 2010, GotToTheEnd wrote:

    We've got

    Rich People versus Governments

    Greece, Portugal, Sapin, all spending so much, the rich can't keep their speculative bubbles going.

    Amd they think we should worry if they crash their own share markets?

    Tax away their funds and let we, the people, decide who has what from the point of view of spending power, and how much should be created, overall.
    That's not the job of the rich, it's the job of our democracy.

    Bring back the music

    The walls came down
    Every one 'n' all
    Never was impressed when they were standing
    Always glad to see them fall

    Just you wait till Europe closes. NY which has been holding at getting on for 2 per cent down, feeling as it does, responsible for its European colonies and so trying not to panic them further, will implode.

    Yours sincerely, EAP****

    (****Economic Agents Provocateurs)

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  • 47. At 4:43pm on 04 Feb 2010, GotToTheEnd wrote:

    Anyuone else noticed, the markets are in such a tiz that the Yahoo Finance clock for the Ftse 100 has been running backwards now for the last few minutes?

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  • 48. At 4:48pm on 04 Feb 2010, vainly_here wrote:

    LM (39) Don't get a fish badge. That'll get you into more trouble (though there is a nice fish-shaped badge with "Darwin" built into it).

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  • 49. At 5:02pm on 04 Feb 2010, Lady_Sue wrote:

    I've just found out, thanks to a link Big Sister put on The Beach, that the meteorite landed only about ten miles from here and is the size of a desk. Will investigate tomorrow and report back.

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  • 50. At 5:06pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    49. Lady Sue - wow, get over there girl! Take a camera and a glass box and yours is the picture for tomorrow! Our reporter on the spot... said Eddie

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  • 51. At 5:15pm on 04 Feb 2010, funnyJoedunn wrote:

    All these people going on about MPs expenses...They really ought to shut up now. By the way, what did those MPs get paid for that channel 4 gimmick?

    Now, can we do something about these ghost directorships and outside interests. Yes, let them do it if they want to. But for little or no pay. And before they say how will we be able to live on an MPs pay alone? Well, just ask how those people in council tower blocks get through life. Btw, how much did those....

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  • 52. At 5:26pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    Let's hope the new young house of commons we will get really does make the break promised by Blair of no more yah-boo politics, and the old school chums atmosphere is thrown out for a modern, adult debating chamber this time. It's really a disgrace and embarrassment watching the assorted privileged yobs lounging about as if in the senior common room still, while they throw insults at each other along with guffaws, sniggers and other Billy Bunter behaviour. It must colour the way other people regard the British.

    The Scottish parliament is refreshingly different; adult, serious, professional. The Welsh similarly has avoided the London model which seems to suck in new members, who quickly take on all the old attitudes and behaviour, and continue the culture unchanged since Hogarth's day.


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  • 53. At 5:32pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    51. What people in tower blocks Joe? ;-)

    I don't think MPs should have an outside affiliations, even to the local brownies. It's a full-time job and extremely well paid. Most people would be only too happy to spend all their time doing it to the best of their ability, and I hope a lot of them get in when this present shower are shown the door. I hope their first act is to cancel all severance payouts, no one else gets them, let them look for work like we all have to, without a money cushion.

    It's a myth that a special kind of person is needed to be an MP, and they have to belong to a party to which they have shown absolute loyalty for long enough to be selected. MPs should be representing their constituents, not toeing a party line.

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  • 54. At 5:38pm on 04 Feb 2010, funnyJoedunn wrote:

    Doctordolots (53)

    Have you not heard of the channel 4 gimmick involving MPs staying with poor families in tower blocks to find out how they would cope in the real world?

    Btw, how much did they get paid for doing that? How much did the tower block people get? As if I didn't already know.

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  • 55. At 5:58pm on 04 Feb 2010, Lady_Sue wrote:

    DocD@50: that is the master plan! I do wish I'd found out earlier as it is so close. What do you think the going rate for a photo of a glass box balanced on a bit of meteoroid is?

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  • 56. At 5:59pm on 04 Feb 2010, Lady_Sue wrote:

    Actually, son tells me that going rate for meteoroid is £500 an ounce! If only it had travelled that extra ten miles and landed on the lawn...

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  • 57. At 6:03pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    55. Lady Sue - priceless! Ask Eddie, I'm sure he could sort something out.
    If it had landed on your lawn you'd have no lawn. You might also be deaf.

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  • 58. At 6:05pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    54. funnyJoedunn - oh that ;-) I watched one of them, they all had great difficulty coping. Duncan Smith came out by far the best, really seemed to relate. Surprising.

    How much did they get paid then? I'm sure you're dying to tell.

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  • 59. At 6:06pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    Lady Sue - if you see the letters NASA on it, you'll know it's alien.

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  • 60. At 6:13pm on 04 Feb 2010, funnyJoedunn wrote:

    Doc (58)

    I don't know, thats why I've been asking all week how much did they get paid?

    Somebody mentioned that it should be in the register of members interests but how do you crack into that?

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  • 61. At 6:21pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    It will have been thousands of course, but might have been donated to a homeless charity or sommat? Just a guess, they aren't blind to possible criticisms. Why not just ask the producers?

    If Ubani ever has to stand trial in the UK, he'll be praying he gets Cherie Blair as trial judge.

    Lady Sue, in case it's all taped off, just say you're from the BBC, Eddie will give you a chit surely.

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  • 62. At 6:24pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    Joe, you are number four on a google on 'how much paid to politicians in Tower Block of Commons' !! But you don't know.

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  • 63. At 9:34pm on 04 Feb 2010, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    @Lady Sue #42
    "Or, as DocD points out, perhaps we should be referring to them as meteoroids?"

    Don't let that DoctorD lead you astray - you can only find a meteorite on earth - you can't and will never find a meteoroid on earth.


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  • 64. At 9:42pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    I keep forgetting I'm not off planet any more...

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  • 65. At 9:44pm on 04 Feb 2010, DoctorDolots wrote:

    Pleased to see PM ran with my suggestion at 33.

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