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Eddie Mair | 16:37 UK time, Monday, 7 December 2009

glasschristmas1.JPGIn this glass box every evening at 18.00, the PM production team meets to discuss the programme that's just finished. You're encouraged to do so here in this virtual glass box. Tonight's editor Rupert Allman will read your comments and may well add his own.

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  • 1. At 4:57pm on 07 Dec 2009, davmcn wrote:

    Musta lost the Glass Box I sent... Want it again?

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  • 2. At 5:01pm on 07 Dec 2009, davmcn wrote:

    I don't buy young children from France.

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  • 3. At 5:12pm on 07 Dec 2009, DoctorDolots wrote:

    2. davmcn - where do you get them from then?

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  • 4. At 5:12pm on 07 Dec 2009, DoctorDolots wrote:

    Mind you, the French ones are tastiest.

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  • 5. At 5:15pm on 07 Dec 2009, davmcn wrote:

    DD 3, Luton.

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  • 6. At 5:17pm on 07 Dec 2009, Joe Walker wrote:

    Banking

    Was Sir Fred Goodwin "a Beckham"?

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  • 7. At 5:22pm on 07 Dec 2009, DoctorDolots wrote:

    Economists and bankers, all those impressed with loads of loot, seem to forget that the finacial markets don't actually create anything. They gamble and make profits for themselves and their rich investors, which means someone loses out as they don't create money, just move it from one account into another. There have to be losers, or there can't be winners. The obscenely rich are rich because others are much poorer. Of course they don't like tax changes, it threatens their greed. What a pathetic argument, from City of London excuser Fraser. It's a huge con that these people are worth so much and without them we'd all be poorer. Money lenders are parasites, not creative geniuses, the creative part is in conning government that they have to be given tax payers money when they screw up and their greed gets the better of them.

    And we are supposed to accept an economist's opinion that global warming is nothing to do with us, when they don't even understand the basics of finance. If they did, they wouldn't need bailing out with our money. They have shown themselves to be incompetent yet insist they have to have bonuses or they'll move to Saudi Arabia or somewhere else that respects people with money. OK, byeee.



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  • 8. At 5:23pm on 07 Dec 2009, Crataegus Monogyna wrote:

    Do I understand that up until now there has been no treasury oversight of Civil Service salaries?

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  • 9. At 5:37pm on 07 Dec 2009, Joe Walker wrote:

    Isn't time those arguing on behalf of the free market that the financial industry will simply move elsewhere had put to them by journalists the point that the places they may move to are places where democracy barely exists.

    I would have thought this is a crucial point, because if the bankers win the argument, the precedent it will set and the message it will send with regard to the state of our own democracy may have very damaging social and political effects.

    Why is it so difficult to ask questions like this? The banking industry and its acolytes and lobbyists are having a field day with their vacuous arguments because they are hardly ever confronted by these wider questions.

    Can I suggest 'the public' aren't just 'very angry'? There is some actual thinking out here.

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  • 10. At 5:39pm on 07 Dec 2009, bright-eyedwendym wrote:

    Are we to understand that the government have been so good at IT systems up till now that Gordon Brown is going to extend it?Haven't they just announced that they're calling a halt the NHS one?Wasn't the IT at the MoD woefully bad?Etc etc What has to happen for this PM to stop trying pretend that a flurry of activity/announcements equals policy?

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  • 11. At 5:43pm on 07 Dec 2009, steelpulse wrote:

    Stuart Fraser? Only a few David Beckhams? Do I need to finish this text? lol
    Instructive no? Quoting that other allegedly greatly overpaid profession, Mr Fraser? An equal number of prima donnas too perhaps - no offence any prima donna ballerinas out there.
    My point has always been - could we not have a self imposed break on "bonuses" - all financiers? Whilst we ALL recover our breath. This seeming selfish, self obsession with their bonuses - come what may - irks. And the constant defenders of same.
    Someone said on my TV "Heads bankers win - Tails bankers win"? So what are the bonuses for again? Special talent that gets paid for whatever the outcome? That sounds like finding money in the street.

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  • 12. At 5:43pm on 07 Dec 2009, nandmw wrote:

    Government savings!!
    I know what is so laughable about Mr Brown's pathetic attempts to show action in saving tax-payers money! It is that nothing is done.
    Any chief executive staring at the debts that the nation has would act, not 'over three years' but with immediate effect, by cutting staff across the board by at least 20%, freezing the salaries all remaining employees and the capital programme. When will we see real action from these politicians? We have debts of £100's of billions, can we get started with some truly executive action, please?

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  • 13. At 5:50pm on 07 Dec 2009, newlach wrote:

    What exactly is it that these crack bankers do that the last bunch whom we are told have vanished from the scene did not?

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  • 14. At 5:54pm on 07 Dec 2009, Sindy wrote:

    I'm not surprised you couldn't get someone from the Tory party to defend Cameron's tax breaks to promote marriage - it's utterly indefensible in 21st century Britain.

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  • 15. At 5:55pm on 07 Dec 2009, Rob wrote:

    If married couples are to get additional financial benefits, will they be required to pay these back once they get divorced?

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  • 16. At 5:56pm on 07 Dec 2009, The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:

    Glasgow Central Station has a huge traffic-cone-shaped fake tree. It looks rotten, worse than no tree at all.

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  • 17. At 6:07pm on 07 Dec 2009, cprobinson wrote:

    So that we might fully appreciate the governments dilemma over the RBOS bonuses, it would be helpful to know if the investment bankers concerned are the sort who rigorously study the prospects of various businesses and so decide where money can be most usefully and profitably invested, or are they the sort who, in contrast, study the activity of other investors and then devise clever but perhaps risky or unconstructive ways of cashing in on them? The system seems to have a serious shortage of the former, and a dangerous glut of the latter.

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  • 18. At 6:08pm on 07 Dec 2009, Ellis P Otter wrote:

    Eddie Mair, or the producer, really should have warned Peter Gibbs that he was going to mention the "postcard". Doh!

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  • 19. At 7:59pm on 07 Dec 2009, Anne P wrote:

    Just heard the ultimate explanation for global warming on the vox pops on our local TV news - apparently it's really all because we are all moving inexorably towards the equator.

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  • 20. At 8:17pm on 07 Dec 2009, erindoors wrote:

    Will Eddie be asking David Cameron whether widows/widowers of servicemen killed in Afghanistan would pay his extra income tax? What about breast cancer widowers? What about women who are escaping violent partners? And wouldn't it be more efficient to tax people who have lots of money rather than people with very little money and children to raise? I thought the whole Tory thing about hugging a hoodie was about understanding the part child poverty plays in crime. Just can't see what's good about this idea.

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  • 21. At 9:37pm on 07 Dec 2009, stevep wrote:

    Banking

    Was Sir Fred Goodwin "a Beckham"?

    Technically, using modern values by the financial system, Goodwin is one of the most successful businessmen of the last decade. Think about it, a man of apparently fairly limited talent and knowledge, without needing to do a lot, gained a huge amount of money. When he wreaked the company he 'worked' for he then got another huge pay-off and pension. It's only if you have ideas about morality and people actually earning their way that you have concerns about the way the current system works. Unfortunately far too many of the current dominant establishment reject such ideas because it threats their easy lives and means they might have to take responsibility for their actions. Unfortunately for the past few decades too many people had been sold the myth of the free ride as long as they give up all responsibility themselves.

    Steve

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  • 22. At 9:58pm on 07 Dec 2009, stevep wrote:

    11. At 5:43pm on 07 Dec 2009, steelpulse wrote:

    Stuart Fraser? Only a few David Beckhams? Do I need to finish this text? lol
    Instructive no? Quoting that other allegedly greatly overpaid profession, Mr Fraser? An equal number of prima donnas too perhaps - no offence any prima donna ballerinas out there.
    My point has always been - could we not have a self imposed break on "bonuses" - all financiers? Whilst we ALL recover our breath. This seeming selfish, self obsession with their bonuses - come what may - irks. And the constant defenders of same.
    Someone said on my TV "Heads bankers win - Tails bankers win"? So what are the bonuses for again? Special talent that gets paid for whatever the outcome? That sounds like finding money in the street.

    steelpulse

    I can't see a self-imposed break because as you say the people involved are "selfish & self obsession" and those in political power are unwilling to stand up to them.

    Fraser's comparison is a poor one. There are probably a few bankers who would qualify as Beckham's. However the idea that a failed bank contains 1500 such Beckham's is totally fascial. Their a relatively small self-maintained elite that maintain their position by monopolising positions of power.

    I just wish the government had stood up to the RBS board. Technically they and their employees are public servants, as the country owns the majority of the business. As such they are one group I would feel happy applying the Conservative policy of draconian cuts in public services to. :) There are a lot of intelligent people out there who would be happy to do the task the current load of miscreates are employed for and you could probably find a fair number who would be a damned sight more responsible than the current pack of parisites.

    Steve

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