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Sequin | 06:30 UK time, Friday, 4 December 2009


Eddie's on the road again, wearing different clothes again....

So I shall be presenting PM this evening. And we'd like to get some advance notice if you think there is any story we ought to be covering. Drop your idea into the glass box and we'll look at it when we have our morning meeting at 11am.

All the best,



  • 1. At 07:46am on 04 Dec 2009, steelpulse wrote:

    "But I would not bank on it"? Yes - Edward Mair - just heard his soliloquy from Stratford on Avon flogging - oops - Avon calling some programme that may or may NOT be on the radio?
    I am amazed that from the initial Emails leaks from that educational establishment - and the very few oddities reported therein - so much has come of it. Hmm. I will stay silent but I am sat here thinking of souffle recipes - lol - and looking at things I might say. But quoting some reporter from Thailand on the Today programme just now "I cannot read them out for legal reasons". My souffle recipes etc.
    Said Today's reporters piece was on the alleged limitations in said country of its citizens commenting in any way on their (Thailands) Royal Family. Lese Majeste?
    Maybe PM can comment more on - alleged souffle recipes?

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  • 2. At 08:19am on 04 Dec 2009, gossipmistress wrote:

    Is Eddie going to start tonight's programme with a soliloquy?

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  • 3. At 08:30am on 04 Dec 2009, pithywriter wrote:

    Wind bag Prescott on 'class': Eddie, could PM give these two stories today some context : surely there are just two classes in UK those who work for a salary and pay tax via paye and NI - including working poor and self employed - and the 'toff class' who live off their inherited wealth (and most of our land) which is buried deep under Threadneedle Street as gold bullion etc. EU friends tell me that the UK is famous for having the most 'working poor' and 'super rich' - notwithstanding the underclass of around 5 million who live on benefits and why are they left out of the class debate?
    ON SEMI LITERATE UK (underclass) KIDs: For context, could you look into the situation that exists in most other countries where children are not allowed to enter secondary school until they have reached the required level in primary? It seems that this situation focuses everyone so that it is fairly rare for kids to have to be held back in primary school- we need this system in the UK urgently it seems.

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  • 4. At 08:31am on 04 Dec 2009, Big Sister wrote:

    I'm guessing, then, that he won't be wearing a rugby shirt, Sequin.

    Good morning to you - hope the day goes well for you. If not, blame Jonathan Dimbleby. ;o)

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  • 5. At 08:59am on 04 Dec 2009, ukpahonta wrote:

    Excellant section on global warming on the Today program this morning. Calm reasoned debate and extremely informative.

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  • 6. At 09:02am on 04 Dec 2009, skintnick wrote:

    Where is the balance on this program? Why does the fact that the Saudi representative at Copenhagen stating that Anthropomorpic Global Warming (AGW) is cast into doubt by leaked emails feature high in the news bulletin, when it is quite obvious (thankfully your environment analyst pointed this out buried in his objective report) that his country depends on oil revenues which are largely responsible for the mess? Why does Benny Pizer (sp?) get a long free speech at the end of yesterdays program expounding the non-interventionist trash that threatens to put our planetary stability even further back on the list of priorities?

    I am profoundly disturbed by various editorial lines that PM takes on the critical issues of our time. When the spectre of resource shortages looms large, levels of debt become more and more absurd, and bankers are content to remunerate themselves richly despite their obvious failings, the incumbent Nils Blythe (a City Poodle so far as I can tell) makes no incisive comment on any of them.

    The BBC is expected to be independent but ends up with analysis as shallow and biased as the Daily Mail. It really is a very sad commentary on the society we have become that instead of talking honestly and intelligently about the crises taking place the culture of denial continues and day-by-day we stumble blindly towards the abyss.

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  • 7. At 09:06am on 04 Dec 2009, skintnick wrote:

    Challenge to Nils: Tell the listeners about Net Energy and it's bearing on the future of our economy.

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  • 8. At 09:24am on 04 Dec 2009, Fearless Fred wrote:

    Hi Carolyn:-) Any chance PM is going to feature the story about how amateur photographers and tourists are being told by police not to take photos of landmarks, as they could be mistaken as terrorists planning an atrocity? I often take photos while I'm out and about. Whenever something catches my eye, I like to record it. Now, however, we're hearing of cases where people are being threatened with arrest for taking a photo of, say, the Houses of Parliament? This is crazy! It's particularly apt given the trail that I sometimes see in the mornings on BBC1 around 6am, which has a woman from Zimbabwe relating almost exactly the same scenario....

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  • 9. At 09:35am on 04 Dec 2009, davmcn wrote:

    FF 8, Apparently the police don't know that shops and churches all over London sell postcards of these buildings.

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  • 10. At 09:50am on 04 Dec 2009, Lady_Sue wrote:

    Morning Sequin. Hope you have a fun and news-filled day!

    ukp@5: thanks for the tip. Will 'listen again'.

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  • 11. At 10:10am on 04 Dec 2009, Lady_Sue wrote:

    If anyone is interested in the global warming segment on 'Today' - the main debate starts about 2.10mins into the programme and is extremely rational and informative.

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  • 12. At 10:10am on 04 Dec 2009, newlach wrote:

    A church elder convicted of a sex crime against a child has avoided a prison sentence because he is too fat. How fat does a criminal have to be to avoid jail and what message is this sentence sending out to criminals?


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  • 13. At 11:03am on 04 Dec 2009, davmcn wrote:

    nl 12, The message is to put on weight before committing a crime.

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  • 14. At 11:15am on 04 Dec 2009, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    "How fat does a criminal have to be to avoid jail"
    As fat as this church elder.

    Surely it makes more sense to put on weight *after* you get caught. Besides, all obese people would automatically be suspects for something. That would make it too easy for the police.

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  • 15. At 11:17am on 04 Dec 2009, Hawk wrote:

    I totally agree with what is being said with regards to the environment debate on the Today programme. Well balanced and informative. I think we should pay more to this issue and get to the bottom of things. But please, PLEASE don't call it 'climate change gate' or 'UEA gate' or any other gate for that matter. :)

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  • 16. At 11:35am on 04 Dec 2009, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    Northern Ireland. The process has been in place for ages. Peter Robinson has been dragging his feet for ages. They're getting nowhere. Time for a small incremental change. Bring in a Northern Ireland Secretary from Dublin to work alongside the London NI Secretary.

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  • 17. At 11:37am on 04 Dec 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:

    For Eddie


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  • 18. At 11:41am on 04 Dec 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:

    Hell's Gate?

    Don't look back!


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  • 19. At 11:52am on 04 Dec 2009, skintnick wrote:

    My awakening (the last 12 months) comes 47 years after Rachel Carson's Silent Spring & 37 years after the Limits to Growth report was published by the Club of Rome. Contributors such as Warren Johnson (Muddling Toward Frugality c1978) and Daly & Cobb (For the Common Good 1989) indicate deep understanding of environmental, climate & resource problems throughout the 1970s & 1980s.

    Sadly these sages remained marginalised, and the march of globalization thrived in the 1990s right through to the crash of 2007. This is the race to the bottom, whereby trans-national corporations with the avid support of free-trade fundamentalists (including most governments) scour every corner of the globe for the lowest-cost means of production to 'satisfy' consumers who have been brainwashed by the same corporations into believing they need the crap which is being peddled. In return, the developing world gets pollution and sweatshops, all the time being sold the same aspirational message which ensnared the developed world throughout the second half of the 20th century. Now it seems the whole world is addicted to growth and consumerism, the twin pillars of corporate profit. Homo sapiens needs rehab.

    You might have thought that when the finance-wizards latest schemes fell apart (combined with $140 oil) throwing economies into turmoil, that an opportunity would be taken to examine the model adopted by the ruling elite and make the necessary change. Alas not. The Keynesian method of stimulating the economy was used, but the powers-that-be chose not to refit our energy and transport systems to prepare for the future where oil is depleting and greenhouse gas emissions need reducing. No, they preferred to print government paper & defer vast sums of debt to the future, producing grotesquely inflated asset prices & reflate the commissions of the same city slickers who helped ignite the crisis.

    Where is the forum by which people (more informed and erudite than I) can explain to the masses how they have been exploited and mislead? It takes a long time to tell these truths, and there is no opportunity in the mainstream media for that to take place. When will the debate begin which might lead to a consensus which can take mankind forward sustainably?

    It is time for the movers and shakers who have influence to stand up and be counted.

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  • 20. At 12:35pm on 04 Dec 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 21. At 12:44pm on 04 Dec 2009, Fifi wrote:

    11. At 10:10am on 04 Dec 2009, Lady Sue wrote:

    If anyone is interested in the global warming segment on 'Today' - the main debate starts about 2.10mins into the programme and is extremely rational and informative.

    I agree, Sue. It was exemplary. Two very differing points of view, each given ample opportunity to say exactly where they are coming from, each making sense, and I felt better informed after listening. Well done all.

    * * *

    Less kindly, did anyone else catch that crack aimed at Mr Two-Jags: "...the picture of him leaning on a croquet mallet reminded me of the final pages of Animal Farm..." ?

    As a comment on class I disagreed with the comment. But as a personal remark I was impressed.

    In fact, if Mr P were more inclined to listen than talk, he might have heard it himself and come back with something just as witty.

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  • 22. At 12:50pm on 04 Dec 2009, GeeDeeSea wrote:



    Climate: Present, Past and Future, by Hubert Lamb (early 70's)

    The Coevolution of Climate and Life, by Randall Londer, 1984 which sets out the consequences of continuing to burn limited supplies of fossil fuels, the problems of emissions, and the fragility of a market driven economy based on fossil fuels.

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  • 23. At 12:54pm on 04 Dec 2009, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    Lord Nathan, your #20 just disappeared. First link worked OK. Second link didn't. Then gone.

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  • 24. At 1:16pm on 04 Dec 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 25. At 1:28pm on 04 Dec 2009, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    Not again! Clicked on first link, then *puff.* #24 snuffed out.

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  • 26. At 1:31pm on 04 Dec 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:

    Hmmmmmmmmmm. It seems likely that someone considers some links "unsuitable"

    It's in the lap of the Mods, Bless 'em

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  • 27. At 1:33pm on 04 Dec 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:

    May I at least welcome Skint Nick to the scene, and wish him health and happiness and a Simple Life


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  • 28. At 1:33pm on 04 Dec 2009, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    The Thought Police?

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  • 29. At 1:37pm on 04 Dec 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:



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  • 30. At 1:47pm on 04 Dec 2009, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    Here's an observation of Victorian Britain by a Norwegian migrant:

    Direr visions, worse foreboding
    Glare upon me through the gloom,
    Britain's smoke cloud sinks corroding
    On the land in noisome fume,
    Smilches all its tender bloom
    All its gracious verdure dashes
    Sweeping low with breadth of bane
    Stealing sunlight from the plain
    Showering down like rain of ashes.

    From 'Brand' by Ibsen, 1866.

    Little did he know the prevailing wind would bring acid rain to his own country one hundred years later. Or maybe he did.

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  • 31. At 1:57pm on 04 Dec 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:

    The(y) Thought (they were) Police.

    Moderation in all things? Doing very nicely - a phrase to live by (or at least to search for)

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  • 32. At 2:00pm on 04 Dec 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:

    Ibsen was wise,if "early" like Malthus

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  • 33. At 2:52pm on 04 Dec 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:

    in the rest of the programme we'll talk about the loss of 1700 jobs at a Redcar plant of steelmaker Corus;

    and Scottish illiteracy

    and Imigrant warehouses

    And the battle of Science versus anti-science

    and banker's boni

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  • 34. At 3:18pm on 04 Dec 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:

    Dear BBC Blog contributor,

    Thank you for contributing to a BBC Blog. Unfortunately we've had to remove your content below

    This decision has been made because it constitutes spam. Spamming is the posting of the same, or very similar, messages repeatedly.

    You can read the BBC Blog and messageboard House Rules in full here:


    If you can rewrite your contribution to remove the problem, we'd be happy for you to post it again.

    Please note that anyone who seriously or repeatedly breaks the House Rules may have action taken against their account.



    The BBC Blog Team

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    • "GDC, Thanks, I noticed, but I forgot what exactly I posted. The mods (who act like Gods) will, no doubt, inform me in due course...in the meantime there has been an outbreak of submarine activity on Mark Mardell and Nick Robinson's blogs...
      ******"spam" links removed ******
      dieoff.org Library
      The Joys of Sales Resistance (by Wendell Berry - a search may illumine)
      Over Capacity (perhaps a search for Garrett Hardin and carrying capacity will illumine}"

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  • 35. At 3:42pm on 04 Dec 2009, lucien desgai wrote:

    If people have issues with the moderators then can they please take it up with the blog czar, or other BBC authorities. Posting emails from the mods snd the re-posting of deleted messages (which has taken place on other threads recently) isn't the appropriate way to deal with moderation disputes.

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  • 36. At 3:46pm on 04 Dec 2009, DoctorDolots wrote:

    19. skintnick - well said, but this isn't the forum; mostly trivia, what Mr and Mrs Average are aware of this week.

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  • 37. At 3:48pm on 04 Dec 2009, DoctorDolots wrote:

    35. lucien desgai - and you are? One of the mods?

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  • 38. At 4:04pm on 04 Dec 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:


    • "If people have issues with the moderators then can they please take it up with the blog czar, or other BBC authorities."

    With respect, there is little hope of satisfaction on that road, believe me.

    My post was intended in all cordiality for the assistance of and in solidarity with our new contributor.

    Do I repeat myself?

    Very well then, I repeat myself,

    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)

    --(with apologies to) Walt Whitman "Song of Myself"

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  • 39. At 4:21pm on 04 Dec 2009, lucien desgai wrote:

    38 LN
    I do appreciate what you say and do also have a lot of respect for you and your postings. It's just that in the past these situations have led to long discussions about modding (which must seem very strange to newcomers) and to bloggers getting banned or suspended. My point is that, rightly or wrongly, the mods will always win so it's probably in no-one's interest to pick a fight with them. I'll leave it at that rather than risk creating a long discussion about moderation.

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  • 40. At 4:25pm on 04 Dec 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:


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  • 41. At 4:34pm on 04 Dec 2009, davmcn wrote:

    I have talked sucessfully to the czar and have had posts put back. I am, however, waiting for one referred post to either be deleted or reinstated. It was so long ago that I don't remember what it was about.

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  • 42. At 4:36pm on 04 Dec 2009, davmcn wrote:

    DD 37, So far as I know, no posters are also mods, unlike on one forum I used to use.

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  • 43. At 4:38pm on 04 Dec 2009, davmcn wrote:

    LN 34, Looking to have to change your name yet again, are you?

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  • 44. At 4:41pm on 04 Dec 2009, davmcn wrote:

    GDS 14, Fat people carrying cameras are really in trouble.

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  • 45. At 4:51pm on 04 Dec 2009, Lady_Sue wrote:

    Fifi@21: glad you enjoyed it too. Proof positive that people can hold different views and debate them in a civil manner, minus any name-calling or gratuitous insults.

    Agree with Lucien@35.

    DocD@36: "... but this isn't the forum; mostly trivia, what Mr and Mrs Average are aware of this week." Do you condescend to grace us with your presence or are you confessing to being 'Mr. Average' and full of trivia?

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  • 46. At 5:18pm on 04 Dec 2009, GeeDeeSea wrote:

    These UEA scientists have obviously been plotting against us, together with the galciers and ice sheets. They hate us for our our freedoms.

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