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Eddie Mair | 15:03 UK time, Tuesday, 17 November 2009

glasswellies.JPGIn a real glass box every evening at 18.00, the PM production team meets to discuss the programme that's just finished. You're encouraged to do so here in this virtual glass box. Tonight's editor Dan Mitchell will read the comments and may well add his own.


  • 1. At 3:28pm on 17 Nov 2009, jonnie wrote:

    That's very beautiful and creative - 10/10

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  • 2. At 4:38pm on 17 Nov 2009, GotToTheEnd wrote:

    I trust the black lines. They are confirmed ONS data.




    Even the pre-dotted line green 'best BoE revision' lines might be ok, except that the most reliable forecaster the BoE ever had, now sidelined but still a PM voice, 'Danny' Blanchflower, reckons ONS revisions are more usually down and never change sign. (How else could the beginning of the recession have been successively back dated?).

    So what happened to the 3rd quarter .4 per cent per quarter down, ONS figures in your estimates here, BoE people, too inconveneient to include?

    And where in tarnation did you dream up those post-dotted line green lines?

    [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]

    The 'usual methods' are of course the econometric methods that permitted the banksters, the BoE, the FSA and sundry pundits to predict the path of asset pricing that led to the crash in the first place and which had the BoE positoning the (left of first vertical broken line) green upward sweep for months now. Wrong though it obviously is.

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  • 3. At 4:42pm on 17 Nov 2009, GotToTheEnd wrote:

    It was the above BoE;s fantasy that was BBC and PM news headlines last week as I was on the 8 hour boat from Loch Boisdale to Oban last week.

    Time for Upstairs to correct it tonight.

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  • 4. At 4:44pm on 17 Nov 2009, davmcn wrote:

    j 1, And quite old.

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  • 5. At 4:45pm on 17 Nov 2009, GotToTheEnd wrote:

    Loch Baghasdail to An t-Òban, that is.

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  • 6. At 4:50pm on 17 Nov 2009, Anne P wrote:

    Revisiting you roots, mac? (5)

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  • 7. At 4:51pm on 17 Nov 2009, Anne P wrote:

    sorry here's the missing 'r'

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  • 8. At 5:03pm on 17 Nov 2009, lucien desgai wrote:

    Reuters has particularly informative coverage of the telecoms data breach.

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  • 9. At 5:07pm on 17 Nov 2009, GotToTheEnd wrote:

    Yeah, as heavily Modded blogger (see 2)! (:-(),(:-))

    As a friend says of the much Modded among us

    'The blog is a broad ch**ch. What is missing?'

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  • 10. At 5:13pm on 17 Nov 2009, davmcn wrote:

    EtE 9, Oh boo hoo, I was recently modded thrice elsewhere.

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  • 11. At 5:15pm on 17 Nov 2009, bright-eyedwendym wrote:

    As soon as I heard that Gordon Brown was proposing a conference in London it struck me that this is more about elections here than in Afghanistan. He thinks he'll get a boost from this but think about the security and cost of same and the fact that it'll end up in a waffle about getting out in years to come.Will President Obama come over to get a photo op for our PM. I'm sorry but I don't believe that his motives are anything but political posturing as usual. I'll get moderated I bet.
    PS Canada has managed to have timetable for getting out. It's quite clear and they didn't have a conference.

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  • 12. At 5:21pm on 17 Nov 2009, GotToTheEnd wrote:

    1. You deserve it (Joke, as in (:-)))

    2. I'm back (see 2)

    3. Who RU really

    4. Be careful dmCn doesn't like his mane***** being messed with

    ***** A genuine typo I thought I'd leave in for you

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  • 13. At 5:24pm on 17 Nov 2009, U14138029 wrote:

    bright-eyedwendym (11) - Why on earth do you think you would get modded for that? It's not very well thought through, but hardly breaks any rules.

    The difference between Canada's timetable and one proposed by Gordon Brown, is that Canada's is unilateral whilst GB is trying to reach an agreed strategy with all the countries that have contributed to the presence in Afghanistan.

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  • 14. At 5:27pm on 17 Nov 2009, bright-eyedwendym wrote:

    Can you tell me then who appointed Gordon Brown as 'lead' on this??It's surely obvious that it's an American call and always has been.

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  • 15. At 5:30pm on 17 Nov 2009, U14138029 wrote:

    (14) So your suggestion is that GB should wait on America's call?

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  • 16. At 5:30pm on 17 Nov 2009, Looternite wrote:

    #14. bright-eyedwendym

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  • 17. At 5:31pm on 17 Nov 2009, davmcn wrote:

    EytE 12, Being more important, mine were actually removed and I got emails telling me so. David McNickle

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  • 18. At 5:34pm on 17 Nov 2009, steelpulse wrote:

    Alex Stubb. Thank you Eddie - that interview has enlightened me and I am duly ashamed.
    Listening together - my missus enlightened me more. Again not defensive on behalf of this subject but hopefully informative. And it is correct - because I just checked it on line. No - not Wiki whatisface!
    Finlands representatives - in whatever role - in Afghanistan are "volunteers" - military/police/peacekeeping or whatever but "volunteers".
    Another nice piece from Hugh Sykes too.

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  • 19. At 5:35pm on 17 Nov 2009, GotToTheEnd wrote:

    2. Thanks, Mods.....Just a minute, just a minute, the unsuitable/broken link is to the same BoE source explaining the graphs.

    Anyway it says relevantly

    The MPC’s projection for GDP growth, shown to the right of
    the first vertical dashed line, is constructed broadly as

    It is in pdf, I guess that's why it failed, your honours, Mods?

    Sobeit. It lets me point out that the 'new' methodology it boasts about, must predate Nov 2007, when the account was written and was indeed info Blachflower had on board in making his criticisms.

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  • 20. At 5:45pm on 17 Nov 2009, bright-eyedwendym wrote:

    15 Of course he's waiting on America's call. Didn't you hear his assertion last week that he had been speaking to the Pres. and that the US would be announcing their decision within 'days'. He was wrong of course as per usual - CNN at the same time were telling anyone who looked that Obama would probably make his decision around Thanksgiving.

    16 You're right it would be God!

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  • 21. At 6:22pm on 17 Nov 2009, Dryopithecus wrote:

    So what are the previous and current values of the RPI?


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  • 22. At 6:38pm on 17 Nov 2009, U14138029 wrote:

    20 - You have a very strange stance on this. Brown and Milliband push for other nations to take their share of the task in Afghanistan and also for an agreed strategy to hand over to Afghan forces starting in 2010. That sounds a perfectly honest stance to me. I'm not sure whether you think they should just stay quiet until the USA tells them what to think or if they should just immediately pull out the UK troops from the UN mission.

    If you want to criticise anyone perhaps it should be Obama who is truly dithering on the question of sending more troops. Or maybe he is being careful and rightly considering all his options.

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  • 23. At 7:05pm on 17 Nov 2009, Lord Fred wrote:

    "Rival companies bought the information and used it to make cold calls to the customers offering them a new contract with a new network, the Information Commissioner's Office said."

    So are we going to see these rival companies being prosecuted for knowingly buying illegally-obtained PII for commercial gain?

    The ICO is toothless and spineless: BT was not punished for breaching the DPA when it passed on customers' PII to Phorm during the secret trials of their internet-snooping technology Webwise. If Christopher Graham really means business, he will fight tooth and nail to mount prosecutions of directors of these rival companies.

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  • 24. At 7:22pm on 17 Nov 2009, Sid wrote:

    Ete - pay attention.

    I'm getting fed up of telling people not to link to pdf files - the blog people have decided that that 'initiates a download' (how quaint) and is therefore frowned upon - so just don't do it!

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  • 25. At 7:38pm on 17 Nov 2009, lucien desgai wrote:

    Google can usually provide an HTML link to online pdf files.

    1. Search Google for the document you wish to provide a link to (even if you already have the URL)
    2. Select the 'quick view' option from the Google entry.
    3. Wait for the document to open in Google Docs then right click and copy the 'plain HTML' link at the top left of the screen.
    4. Paste that link into your blog post as normal.

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  • 26. At 7:58pm on 17 Nov 2009, needsanewnickname wrote:

    I remember Loch Boisdale. Is the hotel still open?

    I wonder why (an idle wonder, I expect) the mods don't like pdfs? Still, thanks, lucien, a useful tip.

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  • 27. At 8:02pm on 17 Nov 2009, Lady_Sue wrote:

    I am so seriously going to give up trying to navigate my way around this place. My RSI is killing me. I'd love to know what's being said and by whom but the amount of clicking and scrolling involved is starting to simply be not worth it.

    Please PM Team: bring back 'Recent Comments'.

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  • 28. At 8:55pm on 17 Nov 2009, needsanewnickname wrote:

    What a good idea, Lady Sue. I think they've got their fingers in their ears (eyes?) and are going 'la, la, laaa, we can't hear/see you'.

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  • 29. At 10:44pm on 17 Nov 2009, Sid wrote:

    What a good idea, Lady Sue and Frances O.

    Please PM Team: bring back 'Recent Comments'.

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  • 30. At 00:57am on 18 Nov 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:


    • "the blog people have decided that that 'initiates a download' (how quaint) and is therefore frowned upon - so just don't do it!"

    Youtube initiates a download, but perhaps they didn't notice....


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  • 31. At 01:00am on 18 Nov 2009, Lord Nathan wrote:

    A friend writes:
    Hope? – Obama, Abbas, Abunimah and Morrisons


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  • 32. At 10:08am on 18 Nov 2009, davmcn wrote:

    LN 30, Maybe you should check out the internal gubbins of the blog and try to change it...

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  • 33. At 10:10am on 18 Nov 2009, Big Sister wrote:

    Now now, David, you know where that led him before! ;o)

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  • 34. At 10:11am on 18 Nov 2009, davmcn wrote:

    Odd, I have no trouble navigating the blog and even though I am righthanded, I mousey with my left hand.

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  • 35. At 10:27am on 18 Nov 2009, davmcn wrote:

    BS 33, I'll bet when he was a kid he stuck his fingers in light bulb sockets.

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  • 36. At 10:31am on 18 Nov 2009, Sid wrote:

    Lord Nathan @ 30


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  • 37. At 1:25pm on 18 Nov 2009, vainly_here wrote:

    Bring back Recent Comments, please; pretty please.

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  • 38. At 5:05pm on 18 Nov 2009, bright-eyedwendym wrote:

    22 Sorry, was out after 6 yesterday so in case anyone care here goes.Not quite sure why my doubts about GB's motives in having a conference in London in January on the subject of Afghanistan are confusing for you. I doubt every word that comes out of the New Labour spin machine.
    The conference will have a predictable outcome - something along the lines of Nato leaving some of the more peaceful provinces in 2010. We know that in some areas - unfortunately not the ones that John Reid decided the Brits should go to- there is an element of stability.
    The cost and security risks of such a conference are obvious. They are trying to look as if they are doing something- anything to look better-and crucially ,I'm sorry to say, Gordon Brown wants to look statesmanlike.Hasn't managed that for a while but he and possibly Mandy thought he looked better during the G20. There will be desperation to get President Obama over to get his picture taken with GB.
    Interesting discussion last night on Channel 4 news on the topic.

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  • 39. At 5:24pm on 18 Nov 2009, Lady_Sue wrote:

    Vyle@37: Hear, hear!

    Bring back 'Recent Comments'

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