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Eddie Mair | 17:50 UK time, Thursday, 15 October 2009

pmweather.JPG...has caused quite a stir. In the Daily Mail, The Times (here and here), in The Daily Telegraph and the Independent.

There's more information on the map you can see, at the BBC Weather Centre.

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  • 1. At 6:06pm on 15 Oct 2009, normanmugabe wrote:

    As soon as Mr. Mair introduces the weather, my ears glaze over. If you can't get Dolly Parton or some French bird with a patella-rattling accent to read it, fergerrit.

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  • 2. At 6:07pm on 15 Oct 2009, Scotch Get wrote:


    Glencoe this weekend. Sunshine, please!

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  • 3. At 6:08pm on 15 Oct 2009, cherrytree wrote:

    I am less happy with Darren's attempt. I know there is the risk of repeating himself, but I still would like the designated regions to have individual slots. I don't want them lumped together. I can't remember if there was a plan to use the same order every time too which I would prefer. Tonight the East, Midlands and North were included together and this is a huge part of the UK! Please let the weather have the importance it deserves without having to be gabbled to fit in yet more trails.

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  • 4. At 6:12pm on 15 Oct 2009, needsanewnickname wrote:

    Oooh, Scotch-git, I am envious.

    I agree with cherry-tree; if we have designated regions, give each its quota of seconds and in a set order. Dull? Perhaps. Helpful? Probably.

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  • 5. At 6:13pm on 15 Oct 2009, Lady_Sue wrote:

    I thought the poor lad was probably quaking in his boots, what with all the publicity, a case of 'no pressure then'...

    Scotch-git, sadly we can only control the weather on the Beach.

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  • 6. At 6:17pm on 15 Oct 2009, Anne P. wrote:

    Please can we dispense with what the weather 'should' be like and just stick to the basic shipping forecast format listing predicted temperatures, precipitation etc and including wind speed and direction. Also I'd endorse the need to cover each individual region on the map in a standard order every evening. If that means repetition so be it. Lumping them together just makes it far easier to miss ones own area. Agree also about the various off-shore islands mentioned on another thread - they should be mentioned specifically even if they do not have regions of their own.

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  • 7. At 6:19pm on 15 Oct 2009, lucien desgai wrote:

    I've just added my comments - in the local vernacular - below the Daily Mail story, others may like to do the same.

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  • 8. At 6:20pm on 15 Oct 2009, needsanewnickname wrote:

    Eddie and team,

    Just a sugestion. Since there are now four 'weather' threads under 'Topical posts', is there any way to draw them all together? Have just the latest one with linnks to previous ones?

    It might confuse new or less-than-frequent bloggers. Crumbs, it even confuses a hardened frogger like me...

    (Clue - usually the newest is the one with the fewest replies, but this might not always work)

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  • 9. At 6:20pm on 15 Oct 2009, Idcam wrote:

    Oh dear! I'm in Edinburgh. Looks like I might as well throw the new map out the window (or "winday" as they say up here!). No mention at all of Eastern Scotland in today's forecast. What happened? Did they forget about us? Or what?

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  • 10. At 6:22pm on 15 Oct 2009, Dijsome wrote:

    I suggest that the Southwest is a huge area - could it not just include Cornwall, Devon, Somerset and Dorset, and the other counties and some of those in the Southeast become Central Southern England. I agree with cherrytreeagain at 6.08. The regions in the same order (as in the Shipping Forecast) and each region with its own forecast, even if there is duplication.

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  • 11. At 6:26pm on 15 Oct 2009, needsanewnickname wrote:

    dontcare, it's no consolation, but having lived in Edinburgh I'd guess tomorrow is going to be [pun alert!] windy...





    Sorry....

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  • 12. At 6:29pm on 15 Oct 2009, SproutGhost wrote:

    I am still enjoying the refreshing new format but it could be improved a bit.
    Why not use regional accents / words.
    Example for Norlolk.

    "Look bore, it's goin' to be a pourin' most o the morn with may be wi a spot o sunsine afta lunch 'n dunt you give me that squit o wot you yoz doin with my sister last night. I saws you"

    Sprouty

    :-p

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  • 13. At 6:30pm on 15 Oct 2009, SproutGhost wrote:

    Norfolk

    Doh!

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  • 14. At 6:38pm on 15 Oct 2009, entrechat wrote:

    At last the SW gets a regular mention. We need more zones though - the south and midland have disappeared!

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  • 15. At 7:06pm on 15 Oct 2009, Potatowedgies wrote:

    Why does it go south to north? Why not north to south? or east to west? is it (and I hesitate for fear of sounding anti-london) merely an abitrary direction chosen by people who live very far south? Or does weather actually progress more logically in that direction (if the weather is ever logial...)?

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  • 16. At 7:40pm on 15 Oct 2009, Riblwom wrote:

    Clearer than yesterday for some reason. Only had to listen to Scotland twice to get it. Took 4 or 5 times last night.
    Suggestion: if lumping Scotland areas together has to happen because it's genuinely possible to do a decent summary for the whole area then say "For all areas in Scotland...".
    Oh, and if area grouping is to happen regularly then please reassure us by working out a grouped area that includes London.
    Hmmm... trying not to by cynical here - but two nights in a row we've had 'Scotland' as one big area. Fingers crossed this isn't going to be a habit (unless the weather justifies it).

    To re-emphasise a point I made last night (and lots of others seem to agree) - please as formal as possible. One sentence (for somewhere in England) tonight had the word "tomorrow" lost away at the end of it. Please put "tomorrow" at the beginning of the tomorrow bit - not at the end of the first 'tomorrow' sentence - forget making it sound like prose. Tomorrow should be a title.

    Take note - nobody seems to be saying this is worse than the old style. Try pushing a bit further until people complain so we know what the limit is.

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  • 17. At 8:27pm on 15 Oct 2009, MattCurl wrote:

    I agree that it should be read region by region in order, and even if you have to repeat the words for each region, then that's fine. Monday started well, but by tonight it had reverted back to the old several regions lumped together and I missed the north east again. You seem to be obsessed with trying to write prose - we don't mind if the wording is simple and repetitive! We can remember them.

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  • 18. At 9:21pm on 15 Oct 2009, Hawk wrote:

    I don't listen to the shipping forecast because it makes me instantly sleepy (not good being a truck driver).
    This new weather forecast is just like the shipping forecast for me and I can't really tell the difference from the old forecast. Just the same old blah, blah, blah boringness. Just simple keywords is all that is required such as 'Midlands, sunny, cold, 7oC with slight breeze. North, scattered showers, cooler 5oC, wind 10mph SE. Scotland.... and so on. It just gets boring with all the other superflous words.

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  • 19. At 9:43pm on 15 Oct 2009, GiulioNapolitani wrote:

    #3. cherrytreeagain wrote:

    I still would like the designated regions to have individual slots. I don't want them lumped together... Tonight the East, Midlands and North were included together and this is a huge part of the UK!

    There's the problem when trying to do a shipping forecast style for inland areas. The sea areas run in a 'chain' round the coast, so if two or more are conflated the order is maintained as the forecast then proceeds to the next area and you know when your area is coming up. To do this with inland areas you would need to draw a line up the middle of the country and go strictly up the west side, then down the east, conflating adjoining areas only in order. The problem there is the Midlands and Northern Ireland, which mess up the strict west/east division. Basically you need to have a strict order and only conflate areas in order, so as not to 'short circuit' the forecast.

    Also, in line with the area name before weather pattern, instead of "16 degrees in Norwich and 14 in Leeds" it needs to be "Norwich, 16 degrees. Leeds, 14 "

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  • 20. At 9:49pm on 15 Oct 2009, Geoff Realname wrote:

    @17. I agree wholeheartedly, MC: slightly boring and repetitive is good. I also liked the idea (attempted once this week) of giving the overnight and daytime forecast for each area: easy to absorb and remember.

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  • 21. At 11:17pm on 15 Oct 2009, Peter_R4fan wrote:

    Only 65 comments so far? This is important stuff!

    The 'shipping forecast' style presentation is excellent, and it needn't necessarily preclude the chatty 'Hard luck there, Cornwall!' comments. Just do the 'formula', and add the comments afterwards.

    Come to think of it 'Rock on there, Rockall!' would be a welcome addition to the po-faced Shipping Forecast.

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  • 22. At 11:22pm on 15 Oct 2009, nasigoreng wrote:

    PLEASE just get Rob McElwee to do the weather. My cousin and I always remember what he says AND he brings better weather. Not sure how he does that - but it's true. I guess he just makes nasty sound nice.
    I know I am not alone in finding his relaxed and quirky style totally memorable and the others, very sadly, formulaeic and full of cliches. Nice people; but maybe better for telly.
    Any more Rob champions out there? Come on out and be counted!

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  • 23. At 00:39am on 16 Oct 2009, Riblwom wrote:

    Just popped back in to add a couple of thoughts that I'm not sure anyone else has said (perhaps in another of the threads)...

    1) Thank you weather people!

    Take note - the reason this stuff raises so much passion and interest, I suspect, is that there are loads of us out here who actually trust the UK weather services, and who use them not just for our comfort but for our safety too. While the moany minority may complain that you didn't correctly predict the exact hour that it would start raining lots of us don't expect that this level of accuracy will ever be possible - but we trust you to tell us accurately the broad picture.

    2) On this vague theme - please don't be afraid to tell us how certain/uncertain you are over particular weather. We take a statement of uncertainty as a mark of accurate forecasting not as a mark of weakness. Perhaps such statements could be part of the short summary before the regions are mentioned. Personally I'd love to hear "forecasting detail is particularly difficult today because X" or "today we think the weather is comparatively easy to predict because of Y".


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  • 24. At 06:20am on 16 Oct 2009, Helena-Handbasket wrote:

    #21 Not sure where your 65 comes from Peter, I've just counted 487 comments this week in the 'new weather' posts alone - and not including the AM/PM Glass boxes.

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  • 25. At 08:48am on 16 Oct 2009, nesta vipers wrote:

    It lacks the magic of the Shipping forecast, but is a lot better for our area (NE Yorkshire, Scarborough/Bridlington North Wolds area) which used to be neglected - Aberdeen then Norfolk/E Anglia was a fairly regular jump.

    On the whole an improvement from my point of view

    cheers!

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  • 26. At 11:20am on 16 Oct 2009, Poverty wrote:

    As I've already said before, we have been given defined areas each with its respective name - only last Monday's forecast kept to that system. Please don't bulk them together under a different collective and undefined name - instead of "Northern England", which hasn't been defined on the map, say "North East England and North West England". This might seem pedantic, but when your brain is listening for the words "North East England", its too late when your brain realises that it must have been included in "Northern".

    Marks out of ten for the four so far:
    Monday 9, Tuesday 5, Wednesday 7, Thursday 7.

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  • 27. At 1:29pm on 16 Oct 2009, DoctorDolots wrote:

    I haven't noticed any of the weather forecasts, I seem to tune in to what's being said just as Eddie says he'd like to hear what listeners think... how different can it be? Anyway, it rarely bears any resemblance to the actual weather, which can be ascertained by looking out of the window, so I've never understood why there is a weather forecast - which may be why I never register it. Does the weather actually matter to any of you? Or is it just a habit no one wants to break? If a tsunami is heading our way we would want to know, or a blizzard perhaps, but is it really vital to know it's overcast in Sunderland, there's a few showers in Kent and Norfolk has a heat wave?
    Do other countries have weather forecasts or is it a British affliction?

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  • 28. At 1:50pm on 16 Oct 2009, woodleighwise wrote:

    Thankyou for the new style weather forecast - it's just what we've been waiting for for years. I used to get to the end and find I'd missed the South West bit or it wasn't mentioned at all. Please keep it like this.

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  • 29. At 2:11pm on 16 Oct 2009, mid-day wrote:

    I like the new style. It's similar to the shipping forecasts which are very easy to follow. However, using North as a short cut to mean both North-East and North-West can be slightly misleading if one is waiting for a specific region by name. If more than one region has the same forecast maybe it would be better to list them individually (as per the shipping foercasts).

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  • 30. At 3:12pm on 16 Oct 2009, Indignant of Ickleton wrote:

    I love the new weather format, As you get the area first you actually get to hear the important bit to you, and can then phase out for the balance..... dogger... forites....

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  • 31. At 3:12pm on 16 Oct 2009, Anneis67 wrote:

    The new format is brilliant and should be rolled out across all radio slots asap - and then perhaps we could get the TV forecasters to be more succinct as well

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  • 32. At 4:18pm on 16 Oct 2009, Bruckner00to9 wrote:

    The "new" weather forecast is a throwback to the "good old days" when nearer 5 mins was devoted to the forecast, and it was given Region by Region. So stick to it - Region first, weather second - just like the shipping forecast !!
    Even Laura Tobin et al in the morning are tending to follow this format of Region first - far easier to remember amid the morning rush around.

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  • 33. At 4:46pm on 16 Oct 2009, Supernonblogger wrote:

    re. the new weather forecast: is Oxford at the top of the Southeast or at the bottom of the Midlands?

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  • 34. At 4:48pm on 16 Oct 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

    As they say, we're going to have weather, whether or not.

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  • 35. At 5:25pm on 16 Oct 2009, davidl58 wrote:

    Am I right in thinking that phrases like "spits and spots of rain" and "a rumble of two of thunder" were first introduced by Michael Fish? - I certainly remember him using them a lot. Those much-copied expressions are sounding a bit "tired" now, it's true, but I have to say that the "Shipping Forecast"-style new version was rather soporific, while also lacking the exotic appeal of all those faraway sea areas and the idea of brave men in yellow sou'westers coping in appalling conditions (that is why we like the Shipping Forecast after all, isn't it?). Other than that, it wasn't massively different from the current Radio 4 weather bulletins. It's on TV that all the quirkiness happens. And no I am not a Rob McElwee fan - there's something slightly disturbing about his meaningful hesitations and knowing glances. But please could Daniel Corbett be told not to mention any more garments or accessories (he theatrical gestures are bad enough...). How awful to be told "you might want to have a fleece at the ready" and suchlike. Cringe! Cinge!

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  • 36. At 5:52pm on 16 Oct 2009, Sid wrote:

    The trial only lasts another week? And then we go back to the less comprehensible format?

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  • 37. At 5:59pm on 16 Oct 2009, elsworthbeast wrote:

    Most excellent and a big step forward form the old style. It might have been better to start the forecast in the same place as the shipping one, that is, at the top and work round clockwise, but after listening a few times you get the idea of where it will start and finish.
    Long may this continue

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  • 38. At 5:59pm on 16 Oct 2009, bigonroad wrote:

    For the record, I just listened to this weather forecast on PM. Really concentrated on it. No idea what was said. However, earlier on, I heard the normal BBC 4 weather, was hardly paying attention, and I know that roughly half the country is going to be a bit cloudy, and my half is gonna be sunny all day with a chilly start.

    I vote for the old one!

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  • 39. At 6:04pm on 16 Oct 2009, Grizbot wrote:

    I like the new format very much. Please keep it. Thanks.

    Griz

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  • 40. At 6:04pm on 16 Oct 2009, Charmbrights wrote:

    I like this forecast, but it still suffers from the universal error of being allocate far too little time. The speed of the shipping forecast is slow enough for people to take it in. The current short slot on all BBC channels means the speaker needs to gabble to get everything in in the time allowed.

    I do notice that this requirement for rushed speech does not apply to advertisements for BBC commercial activities, programmes and even details of speakers latest plays, books, films, etc.

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  • 41. At 6:05pm on 16 Oct 2009, alphabigrob wrote:

    Peter Gibbs doesn't get it; he started by saying it was his first 'new style' forecast yet rushed in at 100mph, gabbling throughout. Please chain him to a chair and get him to listen to the well-modulated delivery of Miss Green or the other news readers - that is how to read it.

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  • 42. At 6:10pm on 16 Oct 2009, needsanewnickname wrote:

    But at least there are no 'fluffy bits'......

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  • 43. At 6:13pm on 16 Oct 2009, fastCastara wrote:

    I like the new format for the weather forecast. I have, in a way, used the system before. Last year I planned a trip round England and Scotland in my campervan by listening to the late night shipping forecast and planning my moves according to where the current passing depression had got to. In a rather wet summer I only had three wet days, and on those days it was raining everywhere.

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  • 44. At 6:13pm on 16 Oct 2009, Idcam wrote:

    Plenty of detail for various parts of England, I notice. Also Northern Ireland gets its own bit. Just a couple of sentences for the whole of Scotland though, which apart from something about minimum temperature in the "Central Highlands" (wherever they are, not shown on the map!) is apparently to be "dry and mostly cloudy". None the wiser as to what weather to expect here in Edinburgh. Same as Aberdeen and Glasgow? Unusual!

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  • 45. At 6:30pm on 16 Oct 2009, Idcam wrote:

    Oh! According to Louise on BBC Scotland we should expect frost tonight here in Scotland. Wonder who''' turn out to be right!

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  • 46. At 7:58pm on 16 Oct 2009, David wrote:

    Much better. Why didn't you introduce this years ago.

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  • 47. At 8:28pm on 16 Oct 2009, youngdiddle wrote:


    So far I think the new changes to the weather forecast make it much easier for the listeners to remember with the regions being in a set order. Please let the weather slot have the importance it deserves, as this is quite often our main reason for turning the radio on.

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  • 48. At 8:48pm on 16 Oct 2009, Bramleypippin wrote:


    1. Yes, it is better, clearer and more memorable to have a more systematic arrangement of the regions, preceded by a brief synopsis.
    2. The delineation of boundaries will always be a problem, as weather doesn't take any notice of our arbitrary regions, or stay still. Lots of people will inevitably be near a boundary, and we right in the middle of Wales never know if we're north or south wales for the forecasts.
    3. Temperatures: I do wonder why it is certain cities that are picked out to have their temperatures predicted, rather than (for example) north vs south of a region, or coastal vs inland.
    4. A bad practice: to describe the weather in part of a region, and then to refer to "other parts" or "the rest" of the region, because by then one has often forgotten what the first part was. This was even worse previously, when we would hear "... and over the rest of the country ...", and say "Is this us now?".
    5. A general point: somebody up there, please give the forecasters a longer and fixed length of time for their forecast slot. Pm isn't too bad in this, but Today is terrible, and uses the forecast as variable length padding just before the hour. It's not to avoid hitting the pips, but to make room for another pointless pre-recorded trailer (grrr!). Why not have fixed-length forecasts and let the announcer do the filling in? - they're very good at it.

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  • 49. At 9:51pm on 16 Oct 2009, shppingforecastfan wrote:

    Worried while listening to PM today that there wouldn't be enough time for the forecast. It was really squeezed in right at the end of the prog! Relieved to hear Peter's clear and confident tone giving all the info for my region succinctly. However I think even he was panicking a bit towards the end which is why Scotland's forecast seemed more brief than it maybe should have been? I agree that fixed length weather forecasts on the radio is a good idea. (Including on the Today programme!) Preferably at least 3 minutes so nothing is missed out. Maybe we could finish with a 'general UK outlook' if time allows so we can plan for Sunday as well as Friday night and Saturday.

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  • 50. At 11:06pm on 16 Oct 2009, cottageloverforever wrote:

    After years of losing the plot the minute the weather forecasts began, despite serious efforts to "get them"... we feel the new way sounds very promising !!
    We echo the plea that each region should get its space regardless of time pressures and that the routine should be to take us round the same route every forecast. Simple stuff really... to whoever got a grip on this at last, we say THANK YOU ... keep it simple and don't go "fixing it" in a year or so.
    Perhaps the sensible one could now sort out the national debt !

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  • 51. At 02:07am on 17 Oct 2009, Tudor_Hughes wrote:

    The perpetual problem is that there is not enough time for the forecast. It is now down to one-and-a-half minutes which is quite inadequate. Not so long ago it was three minutes and further back still there were separate regional forecasts (about 6) each of which were about two minutes long and ran simultaneously, the one you heard depending in the part of the country you lived in. These, plus the general forecast meant that the effective time was approaching 15 minutes. This is ten times as long as is allowed now, ironically at a time when forecasting techniques have improved considerably.
    A further improvement would be to do away altogether with weather presenters and have the forecast composed and written out at the Met Office and sent to the BBC, to be read out by an announcer. This would eliminate the presenters' lack of organisational ability and their sometimes rather weird use of English in their clumsy attempts to be chatty. One or two, notably Peter Gibbs, could be excepted from these criticisms.
    It seems to me that the weather forecast is regarded as an item to be at best tolerated and certainly not welcomed on Radio 4. The progressive shortening of it is as good an indication of this as any. It would be quite easy to remove some frivolous item at the end of the PM programme to allow more time. Weather forecasts are not meant to be entertainment and if Radio 4 can't be serious for a few minutes we are in a sorry state.

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  • 52. At 07:57am on 17 Oct 2009, pablatic wrote:

    Actual format is fine. But the reader??? What sort of voice was that? 'And now boys and girls - everybody gather round and listen to the weather forecast.' And when will pretty well all of your weather readers realise that THERE IS A'T' IN SCOTLAND? 90% of them. particularly the females, waffle on in ghastly estuary speak the worst aspect of which isthe 'Sco'land' thing ...

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  • 53. At 09:31am on 17 Oct 2009, captainahab51 wrote:

    The change to the weather forecast is very much a step in the right direction. While the new format is in its early stages it might help if, at the beginning of each forecast, the announcer were to better clarify the extent of the regions - I'm usually shaving or burning toast at the time so don't have a map handy. The next step surely must be to ensure the announcer has a clear and authoritative voice that promotes understanding nationwide. At the end of each forecast, perhaps a brief deeper explanation of the current weather features would be educative: for example what is a depression, how does it get there, what are its effects.

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  • 54. At 09:44am on 17 Oct 2009, hevershambob wrote:

    Having a more factual forecast for each area is an improvement - but will miss the personal styles of individual forecasters.

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  • 55. At 10:24am on 17 Oct 2009, Fred wrote:

    I welcome the return to what I see as the 'good old days'. The weather bulletins being given as if to impart just the information rather than the readers personality.

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  • 56. At 10:48am on 17 Oct 2009, Idcam wrote:

    It's a brilliant day here in Edinburgh, bright sunlight, virtually cloudless sky, pretty cold though. So much for "Dry and mostly cloudy" for the whole of Scotland. Please give us a "proper" forecast in future (just like in England), else we might think we're being disrespected!

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  • 57. At 11:00am on 17 Oct 2009, U14176009 wrote:

    The weather forcast, well what can i say the new format is better than the old set up, you know you are going to get in your area.

    From time to time we get the forcast for rain what I have found is that you get the rain late a night, this way you can get a natural forcast for the day.

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  • 58. At 12:29pm on 17 Oct 2009, katythered wrote:

    What a relief to be treated as a grown up and to have a straight forward weather forecast - that is all most intelligent people require.
    So a big thank you from this grateful listener.

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  • 59. At 1:00pm on 17 Oct 2009, tostigha wrote:

    Thank goodness - less whimsy, less alliteration and more facts. I've never been keen on the emotional overtones - I'll decide whether I feel gloomy, thanks - and it's probably nothing to do with the weather! And following a strict seqence will allow me to wake up properly at a 'few seconds to Scotland'- I'm sure I can train myself.

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  • 60. At 1:34pm on 17 Oct 2009, surreywife wrote:

    Much better and thank heavens you are starting with the most populated area of London and the S.E.

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  • 61. At 1:55pm on 17 Oct 2009, lynnewgray wrote:

    Common sense at last!Forecast presenters don't have long so following a UK map in your head from south to north just makes sense - job done.

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  • 62. At 3:01pm on 17 Oct 2009, AngusWP wrote:

    New forecast much better. Easier to follow and understand. If I want to hear someone chatter about the weather, I'll visit my neighbour, not listen to the radio.

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  • 63. At 4:56pm on 17 Oct 2009, Daveofssg wrote:

    This is a real improvememnt. Keep going.

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  • 64. At 10:38pm on 17 Oct 2009, Ian Sherwood wrote:

    The new weather forecast is much better a pleasure to listen to

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  • 65. At 08:40am on 18 Oct 2009, TJWhite9 wrote:

    I am a regular listener to the Shipping Forecast. Yes, please use the new method for the weather forecast.

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  • 66. At 10:09am on 19 Oct 2009, MikeFinney wrote:

    The new weather forecast is a big improvement. It is more structured and you do hear what the weather is going to be in your region. Generally in the Today programme the presenters talk too quickly. One item runs into another at great speed. There is no time at all for the listener to relect on anything. If you do you have missed the beginning of the next item. This speed also applies to the weather presenters.

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  • 67. At 5:13pm on 19 Oct 2009, robt wrote:

    The new format is a massive improvement provided you stick to it, including the order of the areas. Please extend it to the other Radio4 slots. One day early last week a female presenter ignored the format completely and it was a complete mess.
    While you are experimenting, why not try writing the forecast down and getting an announcer to read it. One of the reasons the shipping forcast is so popular is that it is so beautifully read by the announcers. The met office prople are trained to appear on TV and project their personalities. The techniques required for factual radio presentation are quite different.

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  • 68. At 9:43pm on 19 Oct 2009, neilinely wrote:

    No problem with the new-style forecast, it's just as inaccurate as the old one...and why on earth does Simon King say "dawn time" - er, surely that's 'dawn'?!

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  • 69. At 4:30pm on 21 Oct 2009, auntLydiaGrace wrote:

    One of your weathermen read out the forecast as though it was the shipping forecast, I didn't lose concentration and I actually remembered my area forecast, I wonder why

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  • 70. At 7:01pm on 21 Oct 2009, jezzasp wrote:

    Great new weather forecast - so reassuring to know was not alone in finding the old style difficult to follow. Can I suggest sticking strictly to Shipping Forecast protocols and always start clockwise in order from South East, South West, Wales then Midlands, North West England, Northern Ireland, North West Scotland and so on round. Ok to link two or more consecutive areas together but linking Midlands, say with Eastern England and then jumping back to North West England is just confusing. Keep up the good work.

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  • 71. At 07:14am on 23 Oct 2009, Realneed wrote:

    Excellent! I've long thought that the weather forecast should be presented in this way - just as it used to be.

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  • 72. At 5:40pm on 26 Oct 2009, antilochus wrote:

    I listened to today's forecast 1255, with Thomas S. Absolutely superb. Clear and concise one thousand times better than the previous gabbled forecasts. If Laura T cannot slow down her delivery perhaps you would consider 'letting her go.' !! The model should be as today from Thomas S

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