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The life of Jade Goody

Eddie Mair | 15:59 UK time, Wednesday, 18 February 2009

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has been played out on television. What appears to be her final months are also featuring on TV screens.

We'll talk about that tonight. A famous PR man writes about the story here. And I'm keen to hear your view.

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  • 1. At 4:19pm on 18 Feb 2009, Big Sister wrote:

    I've never really got this one.

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  • 2. At 4:21pm on 18 Feb 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

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  • 3. At 4:27pm on 18 Feb 2009, Big Sister wrote:

    [Sorry, pressed the send button by mistake.]

    I've never really got this one. Jade Goody, who before her first stint on Big Brother was, well, just another joanna, became famous because she was 'ignorant', i.e. she was the object of scorn. These leads her into a life of celebrity based, well, upon her ignorance. We all know what happened the second time she was on Big Brother, though why anybody was particularly surprised is certainly beyond me. So, scorn is heaped upon derision. Then, this person who, by sheer serendipity, has risen into the world of the celebs, is revealed to have cancer. The world which scorned her falls upon her with their (presumably guiltridden) sympathy and now her last weeks make her headline news for day upon day.

    I do not have any ill will towards her: she is a product of her environment, and with a different background could well have been a different person. She is not 'bad', she is not 'good' - she's 'ordinary', like most of us. I am, as I would hearing of her illness, very sorry for her. But I don't know her - most of us don't know her - yet she is being talked about as if she was everybody's cousin.

    I'm not a sociologist, but I'd like to hear what one might have to say about this particular phenomenum.

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  • 4. At 4:31pm on 18 Feb 2009, U12196018 wrote:

    David (2) - Maybe you want to go away and think about that comment and come back and apologise.



    It is entirely up to Jade Goody what what she wants to do.
    If she can get a bit of publicity for cervical screening, then good for her.
    If she can raise a bit of money for the her children's future, then more power to her.
    If she wants to do it because that's how she can handle her illness best, then what's the problem?

    Nobody will be forced to read about it or watch it on-screen.

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  • 5. At 4:34pm on 18 Feb 2009, Big Sister wrote:

    Horse: I don't disagree with any of your points, but I am still puzzled.

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  • 6. At 4:36pm on 18 Feb 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

    TIH 4, I have been avoiding the blog because of people like you poking their nose into what I say. I suspect it will be modded to suit you, anyhow.

    Upon returning, I realised how this blog is like they opened the gates of Bedlam and a lot of the gibbering idiots came here. You should all get a real life.

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  • 7. At 4:40pm on 18 Feb 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

    TIH PS Whenever Max 'Let's Make Some Dosh Out Of This' Clifford gets involved, I want to puke.

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  • 8. At 4:43pm on 18 Feb 2009, Nezimao wrote:

    this poor girl has been used from day one. i feel sorry for her

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  • 9. At 4:46pm on 18 Feb 2009, Stephen - Leader of STROP wrote:

    David (6)

    I will defend (at length) your right to say anything on any topic, and have been the subject of undue moderation on a variety of occasions.

    However, any point can be made with tack.

    Quite what "point" you wanted to make in point 2 escapes me completely - I can only read an insensitive insult therein.

    If you want to contribute by questionning how fame can come to someone purely for the ignorance and naievty displayed on a purient national TV show, then please do so.

    Please do not result to personal abuse of a women, who (as far as I can see) is desparately trying to do all that she knows to provide for her children in a future it seems increasingly likely that she will not see.

    I do not particlularly like her; I despise the society that turns ordinary people into grotesques like this; I admire her guts in going public like this; I really do feel for her, and her family.

    I hope that God (or the deity of her and your choice) will be with her for what remains of her time on this earth!

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  • 10. At 4:47pm on 18 Feb 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

    TIH, See, I said it would be removed. Goodbye to the lot of you and the stupid mods.

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  • 11. At 4:48pm on 18 Feb 2009, lordBeddGelert wrote:

    D_McN - If you are worried about people 'poking their nose in', then why bother posting ?

    I guess the point is having chosen the path of fame, then she couldn't close that Pandora's Box, even if she wanted to - so she may as well be in the public eye and be rewarded for it.

    None of us knows how long we are going to live, so I find the media [including the BBC] speculating about long she has to live a little, what's the word, ghoulish. Or do I mean 'gruesome' ?

    But let us hope that she can raise some awareness, and maybe even be willing to put her name to some charitable campaigns which will help raise some money.

    One can't help thinking that there are some double standards here- Mr Suchet did not have his judgement about going live about his wife's medical condition questioned in the same way.

    Clearly Mr and Mrs Suchet are of very different stock to Ms Goody and her soon-to-be husband, but let us not be to judgemental - I am self-described working class myself. And not all the people who wear that label fall into the easy stereotypes drummed up by the media.

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  • 12. At 4:54pm on 18 Feb 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

    S 9, I was referring to the whole circus surrounding 'poor Jade'. I know lots of ill people and people who have recently died of various things, including cancer. Nobody here knows who they are and could care less. Max Clifford didn't come knocking on their doors. Goody is a self-made publicist and I couldn't care less what happens to her. And this will be modded next.

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  • 13. At 4:56pm on 18 Feb 2009, DI_Wyman wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 14. At 4:56pm on 18 Feb 2009, U12196018 wrote:

    DMcN (10) - It didn't even occur to me to refer your (2) to the moderators. I'd have preferred that they had let it stay to demonstrate what sort of character you are.

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  • 15. At 5:01pm on 18 Feb 2009, Stephen - Leader of STROP wrote:

    David (12)

    Then why not say "There will be a whole media Wazoo surrounding Jade".

    I read it as name calling, as did whoever reported it, as did the mods.

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  • 16. At 5:02pm on 18 Feb 2009, Stewart_M wrote:

    Ms Goody is a self made publicist that is true what seems to be an aggressive cancer shows that no one, not even celebrities, can prevent some things happening. I hope that any money she makes will keep her kids away from the limelight she has basked in. Anything that raises awareness of cancers can't be bad. You may not agree with tabloid journalism but it has its uses.

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  • 17. At 5:02pm on 18 Feb 2009, Fifi wrote:

    Yes, I too assumed it would be Max Clifford who wrote the article at the top of this thread. As a former PR professional myself, I find him tiresome and an insult to my former trade.

    However, I did take the trouble to read the article, and was surprised on two counts:

    1. It is thoughtful, well-written and a pleasure to read;

    2. It is not by Max Clifford.

    If any poster on this blog can't get his or her head around the house rules, or can't stand being disagreed with, perhaps it might be better to follow another ex-frogger's example and stick to his or her own blog, mods-free.

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  • 18. At 5:25pm on 18 Feb 2009, Happyhomeworker wrote:

    I have no strong feelings about Jade Goody either way.

    Everyone has choices about how they live their life - she chose to live it in the spotlight, she now chooses to die in the spotlight.

    She is attempting to safeguard the future for her children by living and dying in the glare of publicity, not something I would want to do but it is her choice.

    The difference between her and people such as Jane Tomlinson, Terry Pratchett and even John Suchet is one of degree. All of these people raised awareness and funds to treat the diseases from which they or their relatives suffered, and Jade is doing something similar here, but in her own way.

    No-one is forced to watch whatever programmes she is in, or buy magazines containing her photos, just like every other celebrity-related item in our celebrity-obsessed culture. I for one won't watch or read any of it, but I wouldn't criticise her for living her life in the only way she knows how.

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  • 19. At 5:28pm on 18 Feb 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

    I don't think there is anything special about Ms Goody. I don't think there is anything more special about her children over anyone else's. In the light of this I feel there should be more opportunity for those who do not have the public fame to be able to care for their families too. I think of all those parents with special needs children and spouses who care about an ill partner for the most part unrecognised. Who is speaking up for those who will never have the opportunity to do what Ms Goody is being able to do. One problem for me is the 'normalising' of Ms Goody's experience through all this. Her experience and ability to raise money is not 'normal' it is a very strong exception to the rule.

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  • 20. At 5:32pm on 18 Feb 2009, gossipmistress wrote:

    It's the way she's chosen to live her life and she's able to because of our obsession with 'celebrity'. I don't begrudge her making the most of it, especially considering the extremely unfortunate position she finds herself and her want to do the best for her kids.

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  • 21. At 5:39pm on 18 Feb 2009, gullwingracer wrote:

    Having just listened to the lady re smear tests. Am I the only one confused she seemed to be saying that smear test are much safer now as they use plastic brushes.However, problems can occur for young women if they then have a medical procedure as a result of the first smear being abnormal.Surely this is why they have the smear test in the first place to detect any abnormality.

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  • 22. At 5:48pm on 18 Feb 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

    GM 20

    I'm sorry, I am not obsessed with celebrity and there are millions of unfortunate people in this country. Begrudging or no begrudging is not the issue. I only know of Ms Goody through being unable to avoid her image through unrelated programs. I have never chosen to seek her out on the screen or otherwise. I simply make the point that her experience is far from the norm. My comment has nothing to do with any feelings one way or the other personally towards Ms Goody. I just want to point out that she is an exception to the rule and I think this should be put into perspective for the sake of the vast majority of sufferers.

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  • 23. At 5:48pm on 18 Feb 2009, Chris Ghoti wrote:

    Big Sister @ 3, I think the phenomenon has been made the subject of studies as it relates to the death of Diana Spenser, aka Princess Di. A small number of people met DiPoW briefly in her public capacity; a much smaller number knew her as a private person; a very large number watched her on television. When she died, it seemed as though well over half the inhabitants of the country mourned as if they had lost a daughter, mother or sister, from a position of never having known her at all in many cases. Certainly in a lot of the same people had actively disliked her behaviour if one judges by what they had been saying the day before she died, and in the case of the Sunday papers what they had printed and started to distribute and which had to be hastily called back and revised when her death was announced lest the attacks on her be read when she had just died.

    This sort of display of very public grief for a stranger is a strange thing altogether and I don't think you're alone in being puzzled by it.

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  • 24. At 5:51pm on 18 Feb 2009, PerfectlyPerky wrote:

    I wouldn't want to hang out with Jade and I don't follow her various programmes and stories - but this one has to be different because it's about someone going through a real crisis at an early age with a young family.

    Whatever you think of celebrity and tabloids, this is a woman who currently has the very worst to cope with. Let's not make that worse by haranguing her about the decisions she takes in order to put her family first.

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  • 25. At 5:57pm on 18 Feb 2009, Chris Ghoti wrote:

    gullwingracer @ 21, after listening to that interview I am confused too.

    The screening in and of itself, we were told, does no harm. Only if the cervix is found to be diseased is it necessary to remove the diseased portion, and that is what may cause a problem in a pregnancy later.

    Let us say that a diseased protion of cervix is discovered. Either it will be bad for the woman's health, in which case surely it ought to be removed, or it won't, in which case presumably it won't be. Treatment of any disease may cause subsequent harm, but it wasn't being said that it is better to leave disease untreated.

    So why is this an argument against screening, again, someone?

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  • 26. At 5:58pm on 18 Feb 2009, bestcheflover wrote:

    Could someone tell me the website address for the petition demanding higher penalties for drivers who text or use their mobile phone while driving?

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  • 27. At 6:00pm on 18 Feb 2009, gossipmistress wrote:

    FunnyJoe (22) I wasn't intending to contradict you (I hadn't even read your post!). I'm equally not obsessed by celebrity and for the most part choose not to read the coverage, but unlike you I don't feel that I can't avoid her.

    Yes, sure, many many people are in unfortunate situations like her but would many of them really want to play it out in front of the media? All the money in the world isn't going to buy her more time.

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  • 28. At 6:01pm on 18 Feb 2009, ValeryP wrote:

    I've read the PR posting link, and feel that nothing needs to be added to his summing-up of the situation Jade Goody finds herself in. She's working the system - and why not?

    The system is hideous and will exploit without a by-your-leave, more power to the elbow of anyone who is then able to exploit it back.

    May her sufferings be minimal.

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  • 29. At 6:02pm on 18 Feb 2009, Lady_Sue wrote:

    Big Sister @ 3 and Chris_Ghoti @ 23: I think you both sum this up very well.

    24: Perky, I tend to agree with you too.

    10: David, please stop taking it all so personally. If you can't stand the heat...

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  • 30. At 6:03pm on 18 Feb 2009, darkdesign wrote:

    Nice to hear from Peter Lorre again.

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  • 31. At 6:07pm on 18 Feb 2009, atatimelikethis wrote:

    Frankly, I'm a little disappointed that this subject is mentioned and discussed by PM - seems a little tabloid for this blog.

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  • 32. At 6:07pm on 18 Feb 2009, tillypick wrote:

    Celebrity and the Media have replaced the church and their saints. We need the focus and shared emotions. I'm happy to have Saint Jade if it means a good lessson is broadcast to the congregation and "miraculously" saves some young lives.

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  • 33. At 6:22pm on 18 Feb 2009, HelenSparkles wrote:

    I have my own hidden shallows but other people have already been very articulate about why celebrity is not a culture I understand. I also get a bit stuck when someone wants to take self-disclosure to an uncomfortable level, it doesn't seem indicative of a healthy psyche, but I have an off button and I use it for Big Brother.

    I didn't watch Jade live and I won't watch her die. She is not someone I admire but I do admire the way she has not let her difficult early years determine the way she lives her life. I will defend her for living her last days exactly as she sees fit, and for attempting to ameliorate her departure from her children's lives by establishing funds for their future.

    I just really rather hope Jade wouldn't be getting married to a man who has just served jail time for a violent offence unless her illness was terminal.

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  • 34. At 6:23pm on 18 Feb 2009, biomedscientist wrote:

    @25 see my posts here http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/02/smear_tests_for_2025_year_olds.shtml

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  • 35. At 6:24pm on 18 Feb 2009, HelenSparkles wrote:

    David, you and your insults will not be missed!

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  • 36. At 6:25pm on 18 Feb 2009, littleFluffyFi wrote:

    I also read the linked to article above and found it a thoughtful and sensitive summary, which I agree with totally.

    I cannot even begin to imagine how heart breaking it must be for her knowing she will never see her sons grow up, the very thought of not being around for my children just makes me weep. But the facts are this; she knows no other career, no other way to earn a living and so why shouldn't she continue to do the only thing she knows well? I deeply admire and respect her desire to provide for her sons and to protect their future. The very fact that she - completely uneducated - wants her sons to have the best possible education so that they have the best possible chance in life shows what a wonderful mother she clearly has become. So, as most others have said, if you don't like her, or what she is doing, fine - don't read/buy/watch anything that involves her. But for goodness sake leave her alone! We live in a free society, she has every right to do what she is doing. Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the reality tv fame seeking so-called "celebrity" culture that has evolved her in recent years, and I was no fan of Jade Goody's - for that very reason. However, if there is a market for it then good luck to it - what would have been the alternative for her? Living her life in a dead-end job, on benefits, no prospects? What then would have become of her sons in this desperately sad situation? I wish her - well luck seems inappropriate now - perhaps I should say that I hope that her last few months are filled with as much happiness and as little suffering as possible.

    Fi

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  • 37. At 6:35pm on 18 Feb 2009, Sid wrote:

    D McN - welcome to Bedlam! You'll fit in nicely ...

    Oh, off so soon? See you agian soon ...


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  • 38. At 6:37pm on 18 Feb 2009, Big Sister wrote:

    Chris (23): I was also struck by the Diana situation, but (while not a Di fan) the situation is not directly parallel. There has always been an interest - an understandable one - in matters concerning the Royal Family. Princess Di was, indeed, a phenomenum, though possibly not unique (I believe there was a comparable interest towards Queen Caroline, and perhaps for similar reasons). A large swathe of the British public have always regarded the Royal Family as public property, and in a way they are(!) Similarly, people can become obsessed with the lives of actors and singers who have become famous through their talent or appeal. But Ms Goody became famous, not because we have a 'relationship' with her (c.f.the Royal Family) nor because she was in the limelight on account of her talent, but was there for reasons which I do not believe do the public any credit.

    In Victorian times there were freak shows, nowadays we have Big Brother. I don't understand the appeal of either.

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  • 39. At 6:38pm on 18 Feb 2009, Big Sister wrote:

    Fi: I echo your final sentence.

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  • 40. At 6:39pm on 18 Feb 2009, GillB59 wrote:

    I totally agree with Helen (comment 33), who sums up my own views about this poor young woman, who I have never watched and never will watch. I am sad, however, that anyone should have to die so young. It does seem a shame that she is marrying a violent young man - surely she is not planning to leave her sons' future in his hands?

    Re the comments about cervical smear tests - it is obvious that upping the minimum age for smear tests to 25 is a money-saving exercise for the NHS - nothing that any "spokesperson" rabbits on about will convince me otherwise - particularly this woman who seemed to imply that smear tests were actually dangerous, and then terrified the life out of any young woman who has an abnormal smear test and needs treatment. Women younger than Jade die from cervical cancer, actually, so smears should start at 20 at the latest.

    Ladies, PLEASE continue to have smear tests, and any recommended treatment.

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  • 41. At 6:44pm on 18 Feb 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

    GM 27. I guess I'm a little bit sensitive when it come to this sort of thing. I don't tend to equate being working class with life choices. My experience is that you get lucky, very lucky, win the lottery, or none of these things. the vast majority experience the last thing. Anyway, thanks. I agree with you.

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  • 42. At 7:08pm on 18 Feb 2009, nikki noodle wrote:

    What would I do in her situation??!

    Exactly the same, probably.
    n-n

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  • 43. At 8:12pm on 18 Feb 2009, urhistory wrote:

    I note the TV company on the trail of her death declined to be interviewed.

    Yet another example of the communications industry unable to communicate.

    The get out clause 'It's is what she wants' does annoy me. Is it the modern equivalent of I was only following orders'?

    The pictures, the videos, the stories don't just appear. They are planned they have been haggled over possibly at her death bed.

    This isn't someone making 'a bit of money' for their children it's possibly millions added to money reportedly already earned.

    Her future husband just released from prison has a 7 page spread in a magazine devoted to him, why?

    The children have been spending most of their time with their father, but read the articles it's as if he does not exist.

    I object to a image being painted of someone that I do not recognise.





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  • 44. At 8:42pm on 18 Feb 2009, Chris Ghoti wrote:

    Big Sister @ 38, I think that many might assert that by the end of her life DiPoW had become at least to some extent a freak show, one way and another. :-(

    Perhaps (a wild leap, this!) the appeal was more that her frailty and inability to cope (talentless, like Jade Goody, neurotic, self-contradictory, vitriolic at times, and so forth, which she manifested in public as much as she did her care about children or loathing of landmines) were comforting to the frail and unable to cope. If someone 'ordinary' (which was one of her appeals, not a great brain or whatever else, just an any-old-nursery-nurse who struck lucky) could become a "fairy-tale princess", that gave hope. So when the dream fell apart, there was a very deep-down sympathy: it was our dream, as well as hers, that was tarnished and eventually destroyed.

    In the same way, perhaps we may not have sympathised with Jade Goody when she was being beastly, but now she has a disease which can strike anyone, any time, and is no respecter of persons, we are not only sympathetic about her fate, and aware that 'it might happen to us', we're feeling perhaps a bit guilty about having been beastly to her before we knew she was doomed?

    That would fit the enormous outpouring of grief for DiPoW too: we were feeling guilty because we had, in effect, 'gone off her', and then she went and died and we all *did* do that thing that is summed up by 'I'll die and then you'll be sorry.' We were! (Well, I will come clean and admit that I wasn't, especially, except insofar as I feel sorry about the death of anyone before her children don't need her any more, but I may be rare in having admitted to not being devastated by the death of this woman I hadn't known...)

    As for the fascination with the freak show, maybe it's a manifestation of enormous gratitude in a 'there but for the grace of God go I' spirit?

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  • 45. At 9:07pm on 18 Feb 2009, Aperitif wrote:

    Blimey -- she looks quite attractive in that photo doesn't she?

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  • 46. At 10:59pm on 18 Feb 2009, BettyHur wrote:

    My query regarding this coverage of a young woman in the realms of 'terminal care' is the portrayal being in conflict with correct nursing practise of 'terminal care' which should not be feared when the ethics are adhered to.

    Namely,
    1. Giving the patient dignity and cleanliness, caring for appearance.
    2. Keeping them painfree and relaxed.
    3. Ensuring contentment of mind.
    4. Providing caring company.
    5. Giving hope of a better future life to look forward to. The one time a person really does need that to be content at this time.

    How?
    Good nursing care and caring relatives who behave as they'd wish others to behave if it was their turn and not be so selfish in their feelings at the cost of one breathing their last breaths.
    Quietly playing their favourite music (known beforehand), or reading to them.
    Hearing is the last sense to be go!!
    Giving relaxants with analgesia(pain killers).
    Not upsetting those who are too young to understand and may be traumatised by what they see and hear. This is especially so with children who get diagnosed with cancer.

    Finally, selling lots of papers to put a microscope on the chronic deterioration of a young person is likely to not only scare the living wits out of more than it sells to and cost more than it makes in more ways than one.

    This is just a medical opinion based on decades of experience in this field both on the District, in hospitals and Homes where all do their best under the circumstances and need all the support that they can get to alleviate anxiety and pain all round.

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  • 47. At 11:08pm on 18 Feb 2009, philtblog wrote:

    CG 25

    The point is that lots of abnormal cells ar epicked up in the youger age group which are falsely described as precancerous and are excised unneccessarily exposing the patient to the risks without the benefits and if this group outnumber sthat group who are true positives and benefit from treatment at the young age (many 'precancerous' cells don't turn cancerous for many years so there is little increased risk in waiting) then we're doing more harm than good.

    Screening and diagnosing are different things and once you've started down a treatment pathway it's hard to get off...

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  • 48. At 11:09pm on 18 Feb 2009, philtblog wrote:

    I should also say that this area is quite well covered on the smear tests thread with more detail if anyone is interested.

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  • 49. At 07:47am on 19 Feb 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 50. At 08:58am on 19 Feb 2009, DI_Wyman wrote:

    As I got modded I will repost.....

    TiH 4 I am with you on this one.

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  • 51. At 09:25am on 19 Feb 2009, Anne P. wrote:

    It is a cliché but none the less true that death is our last great taboo. The Victorians wept over the death of Tiny Tim or Little Nell because these were familiar events in every family. For most people death happened at home, the body was laid out by friends or family, the coffin rested in the house and the community accompanied it on foot to the grave.

    Social change and modern medicine deny us all of this, make death clinical, impersonal, somehow nothing to do with us. How many of us have attended a death? Almost we expect not to die, certainly not to die young.

    This then is the significance of Jade Goody and the choice she has made. Intellectually we know that death must happen and that some die young. Emotionally we reject it. I believe Jade does us all a favour in helping to break down the taboo. If in doing so she is also able to provide for her children and ends her life as she has lived it in the public gaze, I for one applaud her courage.

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  • 52. At 10:39am on 19 Feb 2009, lordBeddGelert wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 53. At 10:48am on 19 Feb 2009, nikki noodle wrote:

    Anne P - well put!!!

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  • 54. At 11:38am on 19 Feb 2009, Ed Iglehart wrote:

    I too, second Anne P. Jade starts as a caricature, but ends with honour. Not bad at all.

    Respect

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  • 55. At 11:50am on 19 Feb 2009, Big Sister wrote:

    Jade is whatever we make of her. Alternatively, Jade is Jade.

    It says more about us than about her.

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  • 56. At 11:53am on 19 Feb 2009, U12196018 wrote:

    (51, 53, 54, 55) - Yes, yes, yes and yes.

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  • 57. At 1:06pm on 19 Feb 2009, littleFluffyFi wrote:

    I wish I could express myself as eloquently and concisely as you have done, Anne P. I agree completely with you, and also with the sentiments of Big Sis and Ed.

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  • 58. At 2:46pm on 19 Feb 2009, ValeryP wrote:

    I second LFF on all of the above.

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  • 59. At 3:05pm on 19 Feb 2009, SeriousSoundBiter wrote:

    Yes.
    The worrying things about her life and style are many.

    Certainly her working class racism was one. (Fingers in ears to deaden tirade from PC bons)

    Working class racism reminds me of Kafka's The Castle.

    People with no material interest in racism express it, rather than criticise people of the same ethnic group but of higher social class.

    Thuis it is that they become foot soldiers for the middle classes andf their priveleges

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  • 60. At 3:20pm on 19 Feb 2009, SeriousSoundBiter wrote:

    59.

    It has always seemed odd to me that among those who (entirely rightly) criticise working class racism, one finds echelons of the middle classes who make a fairly lucrative profession of such criticism but who in truth are exactly those who owe the victims of that racism more than anyone.

    They it is, who have most benefited from the flows of money, goods and land (use) that Asians, Africans, Indigenous Australians, etc, have provided as a result of conquest and exploitation.

    Curiously, they owe working class racists something besides (very proper) anti-racism critcism.
    These middle class elements also owe working class racists the political education that explains to them that they are wrong not to demand that those very middle class elements and their peers repay the races they have exploited.

    By hand and by brawn.

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  • 61. At 3:22pm on 19 Feb 2009, Roberto Carlos Alvarez-Galloso wrote:

    Jade must have come a long way.

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  • 62. At 3:33pm on 19 Feb 2009, SeriousSoundBiter wrote:

    59, 60

    Having said all that (yawn, yawn etc (well, there was a call for sociology), you cannot imagine how charming Jade could be in her calmer moments.

    There was no derision of her for the gaps in her knowledge.
    Usually they were greeted with a warm poingnant sympathy.
    And laughed at with her.

    She was charming and the racism was a tradegy for her targets and for her.

    Nonetheless I pray she finds a relief from pain and suffering.

    And life.

    I think she would easily come to understand the errors in her racist attitudes.

    I see her more as proto Socialist Workers Party (Working Class Section) rather than proto BNP

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  • 63. At 4:22pm on 19 Feb 2009, SeriousSoundBiter wrote:

    63

    Oh, dear, kickers in a 'twix.

    Look, I do NOT see Jade as anti-democratic.

    So for SWP please substitute 'left wing of the Labour Party'!!

    Mea culpa.

    With thanks.

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  • 64. At 4:36pm on 19 Feb 2009, U12196018 wrote:

    SeriousSoundBiter (59,60,62,63) -

    Out and about under another new name then mac, pmleader, etc.?

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  • 65. At 5:05pm on 19 Feb 2009, pmmolly wrote:

    This sad case has made me, as the mother of two daughters, aware of the need to screen younger women , irrespective of life styles.

    What a sad legacy for one so young. How on earth can anyone condemn her for her actions in the time she has left.

    Molly

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  • 66. At 5:25pm on 19 Feb 2009, jostmart wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 67. At 2:41pm on 24 Feb 2009, SeriousSoundBiter wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 68. At 10:05pm on 10 Mar 2009, BuenGenio wrote:

    As everyone, my empathy to Jade.
    It would be interesting to know though if Jade's entourage had every considered supplementary and combination, that's not to say unscientific, approaches to help her better cope and possibly improve her situation. I wish somebody she knows had read this article, for example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/content/articles/2008/07/23/broccoli_juice_feature.shtml
    I wish...

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