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Sequin | 11:46 UK time, Tuesday, 22 April 2008

Cilla Quinn here sitting in for Ed today who's a little poorly. Nice to talk to you again.

I was due to head off to Wales to talk to people about fortnightly rubbish collections today - lots of those voting in next week's local elections are very angry about the stink, the rats etc. So it was interesting to see the story about Gareth Corkhill this morning who was fined and given a criminal record because his (fortnightly-collected) wheelie bin was so full the lid wouldn't shut. Is it an issue that gets you going?

Later we'll be hearing about the costs of the European Parliament - how much does it cost to run two centres in Brussels and Strasbourg - and what about those MEP allowances and expenses. Is there a euro equivalent of the John Lewis list? Juan Luis perhaps? Giovanni Luigi? Jean Louis? What would it be in Hungarian? Or Greek? Maybe you can help us out?

See you at 5.


  • 1. At 12:08pm on 22 Apr 2008, Aperitif wrote:

    "Gareth Corkhill... was fined and given a criminal record because his (fortnightly-collected) wheelie bin was so full the lid wouldn't shut." Seriously? Is it as simple and straightforward as that?! If so, I'm horrified, but I'd want to hear the full facts before I form an opinion. Anyone know any more?

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  • 2. At 12:09pm on 22 Apr 2008, Aperitif wrote:

    OOps, and welcome back Sequin and get well soon wishes to Eddie (well spotted Big Sis).

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  • 3. At 12:14pm on 22 Apr 2008, The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:

    Sequin, good to hear you'll be on tonight, though I was looking forward to Eddie's rendition of "I Was Born Under A Wandrin' Star".

    As for the bins, what on Earth has happened to our bin-men? Just a few years ago, they would heft a full bin on their shoulders all the way from the back of the house, up or down stairs, chuck it in the van and carry the empty bin back. Now we have wheelie bins, *we* have to trundle them to the pavement, the vans have lifting equipment, the bin-men only have to wheel the bins off the kerb to the lift and back.

    And the poor dears can't manage it if the bin's full enough that it sits open *four inches*? I really hope this comes from some over zealous health and safety directive (seriously one of the major problems with Britain these days) and not from a bunch of delicate flowers in hi-vis jackets who don't want to risk chipping a nail.

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  • 4. At 12:17pm on 22 Apr 2008, U10783173 wrote:

    Hi Sequin - I think the Irish version is Seán Lughaidh.

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  • 5. At 12:18pm on 22 Apr 2008, U10783173 wrote:

    That would be Sean Lughaidh, but with a little accent on the 'a'.

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  • 6. At 12:23pm on 22 Apr 2008, The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:

    Aperitif (1):

    He first got a fixed penalty fine of £115 and when he (understandably) refused to pay, that was doubled and taken to court.

    He has a household of six (two adults and four children) and finds the bins too small for fortnightly collections. The council says it's trying to cut down on landfill use, but this clearly isn't the way to do it.

    If that *is* their aim, they should have limits based on the number of people in the house. A big family like that should be allowed an oversize binful every fortnight while a single person might only be allowed one of those small slim wheelie bins.

    I know that with myself, my mother and my cat, I'm only 3/4 filling the bins most weeks (alternating recycling and non-recycling) but bigger families would use more even with the best recycling intentions.

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  • 7. At 12:33pm on 22 Apr 2008, needsanewnickname wrote:

    Hi, Sequin! And get well soon, Eric.
    Horsey, I was idly speculating as to whether the Scots Gaelic would be Iain Leodhas. Great minds, etc.
    Welsh would be Sion (with a little hat) or Ieuan ??? Lewis? Is there a Welsh way to spell this Welsh surname? (Displays ignorance)

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  • 8. At 12:37pm on 22 Apr 2008, needsanewnickname wrote:

    Aha! Got this:

    When did the patronymic system end and the father's name become treated as a surname and passed on to the grandchildren? The Morgans give some examples from early records. William ap John Thomas, standard bearer of King Henry VIII became known as William Jones. Thomas ap Lewis, the son of Lewis ap Sir David was killed at the battle of Banbury in 1469. His son was the first to adopt Lewis as a permanent surname and in 1487 was lord of the manor of Raglan in Monmouthshire, South Wales.

    from here:

    And this:

    Lewis — from an English variation of Llewellyn, which the English already had the name derived from the French Louise and German Ludwig. The Welsh spelling was Lewys by the 15th C.

    from here:

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  • 9. At 12:43pm on 22 Apr 2008, UptheTrossachs wrote:

    We have 3 types of rubbish collection - land-fill (what I call the *smelly bin*), recyclables and compostables. The list of stuff that we are not allowed put into either the recycable boxes or the compost bin is so long that many people end up putting stuff into land-fill that doesn't need to go there. If our local council put as much energy into working out how to actually recycle more types of plastic and compost more kitchen waste as they do into listing rules and regulations about bin lids, bin locations etc fortnightly collections wouldn't be a problem!
    And - whoever chucked a banana skin into the bottom of my empty compostables bin yesterday (not allowed because it is kitchen waste), I'll be sending you the bill for fixing the split in my trousers.
    Well, have you tried to reach the bottom of a wheelie bin when you're less than 6 feet tall?

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  • 10. At 12:44pm on 22 Apr 2008, Big Sister wrote:

    Good morning, and welcome back, Sequin!

    My suggestion would be Galeria Inno - for those based in Brussels.

    However, elsewhere John Lewis would be replaced by El Corte Ingles, Rinascente, Galeries Lafayette, etc., depending on where you are. I'd chose El Corte Ingles, but maybe that's because I know it so well (clothes horses may well prefer GL).

    Sorry to have been right about Eddie. He's rather prone to those chesty bugs - Perhaps he is/was a smoker? Anyhoo, Eddie, hope you took the toddy last night and that you'll soon be back on top form.

    Blame Paddy O'Connell.

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  • 11. At 12:46pm on 22 Apr 2008, steelpulse wrote:

    John Lewis list equivalent in Finland? Take "Stockmann's list"


    So take stock man, as I was doing today in one of our stores. The lady couldn't load her trolley with a load of "wupp ass" as our Transatlantic friends may say - so she made do with "chicken" - a lot of it.

    For a barbecue perhaps but boneless, spineless - ready to eat crow - not. Excuses overheard of people being pushed into corners and real friends putting in cameo appearances.

    I refer to a particularly strata of our great country's society who seem unprepared to say - "oops" or heavens forfend - perhaps sorry!

    "P4Y" as part of a message is all it is about - to them.

    "John is sort of listing, Lewis" - Inspector Morse might say.

    Morse Code for what? John has really thawed thyme?

    A Stock(mann) answer would do.

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  • 12. At 12:56pm on 22 Apr 2008, UptheTrossachs wrote:

    Given T*s*o's expansion into Europe, perhaps it should be the Terry Leahy List?

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  • 13. At 1:05pm on 22 Apr 2008, Aperitif wrote:

    Ystavani (11), Eh?

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  • 14. At 1:12pm on 22 Apr 2008, Stewart_M wrote:

    We have three full size wheelie bins.
    Rubbish (weekly)
    Bottles and cans (monthly) and paper (monthly.)
    Also 2 green bags for garden waste monthly (not december) and I have a composting bin.

    We still manage to fill the rubbish bin on weekly basis and we do try and cut down on packages but do appear to fail.
    I struggle to fill the bottle bin with bottles every month (we do sometimes try VERY hard :-))and tend to only put that one out every other month.
    Paper bin gets all the junk mail and the daily paper and again could be every other month.
    Garden waste is a pain cos I garden when its three weeks to collection so the bags get horrible and I end up taking what won't fit in the composting bin to the tip myself.

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  • 15. At 1:19pm on 22 Apr 2008, Fearless Fred wrote:

    Nice to see you, Sequin (even if it means Eddie's got a case of man-flu).

    Re the costs of the two centres for the European Parliament, I have to admit this is one of my "high horses". It's about time the other 26 countries within the EU put their foot down and stopped this pointless waste of time, money, and energy that's spent travelling to and fro, simply so one specific country doesn't lose it's percieved standing...

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  • 16. At 1:30pm on 22 Apr 2008, Aperitif wrote:

    Wholehearted agreement Fearless (15). Some MEPs have been trying to arrange this for quite some time, but to no avail so far.

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  • 17. At 1:30pm on 22 Apr 2008, vainly_here wrote:

    FF (15) You are right about 2 parliament buildings.

    And, Sequin, welcome. I *so* regret not trying to find you in Gloucester during the floods.

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  • 18. At 1:34pm on 22 Apr 2008, U10783173 wrote:

    Hmm. You know with the debate around Westminster MPs and their "second" homes. Do MEP's have "second" AND "third" homes?

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  • 19. At 1:35pm on 22 Apr 2008, Big Sister wrote:

    *cough cough*

    Doubtless the newsletter is on its way, Sequin?

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  • 20. At 1:36pm on 22 Apr 2008, Genfly wrote:

    At last two seemed to know what they were doing in the Welsh Assembly, even though it was only in a baby-changing room!

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  • 21. At 1:39pm on 22 Apr 2008, Deepthought wrote:

    UtT (9),

    Eh? Surely kitchen waste and compostables are the same thing - they are around here at least.

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  • 22. At 1:43pm on 22 Apr 2008, Fearless Fred wrote:

    Maybe a case can be made for closing one of the locations on the grounds that it will go some way towards meeting the EUs commitment to reducing greenhouse gasses. After all, transporting all those people back and forth must be a significant amount of the European Parliament's carbon footprint...

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  • 23. At 1:46pm on 22 Apr 2008, thenicecatlady wrote:

    We have 2 wheely bins - one for general rubbish collected weekly, & one for re-cycling collected fortnightly. What I want to know is if you have visitors or go away & miss a collection so that the general bin 'runneth over' do you get sent to prison for deliberately undermining govenrment efforts at control???

    OOps is this critiscising govt just before local elections - will I get moderated?

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  • 24. At 1:52pm on 22 Apr 2008, Genfly wrote:

    Green folklore reject in Scotland: -
    The reaction to the Scottish Government’s refusal to construct one of Europe's largest onshore wind farms, 181 turbines on Lewis in the Western Isles, has exposed the myth of wind power. In response to Scottish industries concerns that their lights may go out, Britain’s power industry had to admit that it will not make one iota of difference as wind power is too unstable to be included in any calculations of how much power is needed to satisfy the country’s needs - whether or not the wind is blowing our power stations will still burn the same amount of fossil fuel, irrespective of how many turbines are available. A spinning wind turbine’s only value, for the environmentalists, is as an icon of their power over the vulnerable and as an ‘at least we are doing something’ comfort blanket for gullible politicians, plus of course an exponential currency generator for the wind industry.

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  • 25. At 1:53pm on 22 Apr 2008, UptheTrossachs wrote:

    Depthought (21)
    Exactly! But according to our lot, kitchen waste might be contaminated with insecticides etc so can't go in the brown bin. But, my grass clippings with all their chemical dressings can!

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  • 26. At 1:55pm on 22 Apr 2008, Humph wrote:

    You sound like you might be going down with something yourself, Big Sis (19). Do you need a hot toddy or something? Still, from comments made on last night's Box:

    Big Sis 1 - jonnie 0 (result) ;o)


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  • 27. At 2:03pm on 22 Apr 2008, Big Sister wrote:

    Thanks, Humph, a hot toddy will be very welcome. However (and another result, perhaps, for me?) I note that Sequin heard me (well, I'll flatter myself for a moment) and sent out the newsletter precisely 13 minutes later ;o)

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  • 28. At 2:06pm on 22 Apr 2008, bluewaterslide wrote:

    The council have got it wrong! They should either collect all rubbish every week like they used to or they should re-cycle properly. What we have at the minute is a half measure where only glass and metal are re-cycled. Cardboard and plastic are only recycled if the home owner can be bothered to take it to the local tip. I am all for a green environment but suggest that as we are paying for a service the councils need to do more and not leave it all to home owners.

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  • 29. At 2:11pm on 22 Apr 2008, Simon wrote:

    In Stockport they're still collecting weekly, but now send out a roll of 60 transparent green bags overstamped with the council logo to last the year. We had a nice leaflet explaining that this means one a week only, with extras for Easter and Christmas. No other bags are acceptable. Need more bags? Then you must buy extra rolls of 60 from the council. So you pay for whatever they have decided is excess waste. That's fine by me. Polluter pays and all that.

    Sounds good in theory. Only no-one has told the binmen, or perhaps they don't give a toss for the rules. They will pick up anything that's put out for them, Stockport green, old-style black bags, the lot. So it's had zero effect in our neck of the woods. Our neighbours have four young sons and last week put out seven (yes 7) bags, which is about par for their course, it would seem. The chaps took the lot without comment ,which renders the entire exercise in trying to control and reduce waste pointless.

    They recycle paper, glass and tins every fortnight and garden waste (which is new, they refused to take it before) on the alternate fortnights.

    There is a recycling centre where we take bulk cardboard, wood and the like. But it also accepts general waste, in any form. Which mitigates against reducing waste, when all that you have to do with your excess is either put it out in the street and it will be taken regardless, or drive it around to the local tip and ob it over the wall into the general waste area.


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  • 30. At 2:17pm on 22 Apr 2008, AnnChovy wrote:

    My daughter had to spend a fortnight in a holiday home to get married in a CE church within 3 miles of where I live (in a different parish). It is time for a 2nd reformation. As the established state supported church (fat with inherited land etc.) CE premises should be available to all. Religion has shown its true colours from the inquisition to AIDs and we need to make a stand against superstitious bigotry.

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  • 31. At 2:31pm on 22 Apr 2008, mygloriousleader wrote:

    Yes, tncl (23),
    You will be punished severely for such a horrendous misdemeanour.
    I think the Tower of London should suffice.
    Or a local stocks for members of the local community to throw rotten vegetables at you... although they might be crimialised for not recycling their composable material so then they would be put into the stocks with you ...
    Must get into the stocks building business...

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  • 32. At 2:32pm on 22 Apr 2008, The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:

    Genfly (24):

    Scotland currently gets a fair proportion of its electricity from hydro-electric power and wind-power is fine for pumping water back up into the reservoirs (otherwise it's taken from the Grid during times of low demand).

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  • 33. At 2:44pm on 22 Apr 2008, jonnie wrote:

    Actually the Newsletter was on the Newsletter blog even earlier!

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  • 34. At 2:51pm on 22 Apr 2008, Big Sister wrote:

    The NEWSLETTER Blog? Has the world gone mad?

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  • 35. At 3:01pm on 22 Apr 2008, Big Sister wrote:

    Appy (1) From what I heard on the Today programme, those are indeed the bare bones of the issue. He was issued with a fine of, from memory, £110 by the council for overfilling his bin (the lid being slightly open), failed to pay the fine, received a notice to appear in Court (I think I'm remembering correctly), failed to turn up, and as a result received a further fine and, having been found against in Court, a criminal record.

    The council rep commented that Mr. Corkhill had been foolish to refuse to pay the original fine. (This was the gist of the comment, anyway).

    What exercises me on this issue is that different councils take different lines on things, which means you're never entirely clear of what is expected of you. Furthermore, different councils provide different sizes of wheelie bins. For example, in my local district, the first bins to be rolled out (excuse the pun) were very large, but subsequent properties received smaller bins. There was absolutely no rhyme or reason to this other than, presumably, the council's budget having overrun. So, we (with a smaller bin) have less capacity that our neighbours up the road, who were in the first phase and have a bin about twice the size of ours. In our case, I regard it as a good discipline, but we do have weekly collections here. We'd have a problem if the collections were fortnightly. Not so far away, in Adur, they've long had an excellent recycling project - it was one of the forerunners in England - where all garden refuse is recycled through composting, and the product can then be bought back. All proceeds, I believe, go towards improving recycling facilities.

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  • 36. At 3:03pm on 22 Apr 2008, Stewart_M wrote:

    my glorious leader. So that what you do with the kitchen waste. Throw at various persons (possibly politicians) in the stocks!

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  • 37. At 3:27pm on 22 Apr 2008, mygloriousleader wrote:

    What a brilliant idea Stewart (36).
    Every time the clowns from 10 dunces street get it wrong we put them in a set of stocks, say at polly mint square, and recycle our frustration at them.
    ...order order!

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  • 38. At 3:53pm on 22 Apr 2008, jonnie wrote:

    Appy :-

    Here is the BBC link to the story :- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/7360147.stm

    Re: The Newsletter Blog. Yes it does exist, all the newsletters as from February - however there may be a reason as to why it's not been mentioned?
    So I'll leave it at that.

    Spring has really sprung today hasn't it! Just come back from a beautiful long walk by the river - a real tonic, I suggest everyone should try and get some fresh air in their lungs today.

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  • 39. At 4:24pm on 22 Apr 2008, Stewart_M wrote:

    Church of England and law relating to getting married.

    We got married in the church my wife worshipped at but she lived in the next door parish. I lived in a third parish and worshipped in a fourth.
    So we should have had four sets of banns read out. hence 4 fees. We ignored the parish I lived in as they were/are a rich parish. the other three waived the fees.

    However some parish churches are not exactly flush with cash and to make getting married easier, whilst puts a mockery on faith is, at the end of the day, a potentially good income source.
    Especially if its done properly and the parish you live in also gets a fee. Hey! its like Ash Cash. (see iPM blog)

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  • 40. At 4:43pm on 22 Apr 2008, David_McNickle wrote:

    Aperitif 1,
    I just came in from filling my wheelie bin with garden clippings (cutting down a tree). I'd better check that the lid will close before putting it out front tomorrow. Of course, St Albans isn't Wales.

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  • 41. At 4:45pm on 22 Apr 2008, David_McNickle wrote:

    SSC 3,
    Aaaaand, they expect a gift on Boxing Day as well.

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  • 42. At 4:51pm on 22 Apr 2008, jem_netley wrote:

    In SW London, we are about to suffer from bi-weekly rubbish collections later this year. We already have bi-weekly paper, cans and bottles.

    Like many other contributors what concerns me is the lack of consistency between authority's be it on size of bin or bags; weight (another suggestion from another authority) definition of kitchen waste or compostable; etc etc. Its laughable.

    As for poor Mr Corkhill, if he had a solicitor they should be ashamed of themselves as should the judge. I am sure some technicality could have been found - prehaps it wasnt all his own waste or did the 'jobsworth' check that too?

    I imagine the 'jobsworth' is really proud of his/herself and the local council is patting itself on the back for 'laying down the law'. Personally I think they have jsut made themselves not fit to govern and I hope the local voters do the right thing next week.

    As they say, where's there's muck, there's brass. In the old days, the farmer would have got his muck spreader out and payed a visit to the town hall!

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  • 43. At 4:51pm on 22 Apr 2008, David_McNickle wrote:

    UTT 9,
    We have a large wheelie bin for compostables (cardboard and garden clippings), a box for newspapers and other paper, a box for plastic and glass and bags for rubbish. We will be getting another wheelie bin for the rubbish in September.

    Did you see the man get 'eaten' by a wheelie bin in Dr Who? It burped afterwards.

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  • 44. At 4:54pm on 22 Apr 2008, David_McNickle wrote:

    Aperitif 13,

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  • 45. At 4:59pm on 22 Apr 2008, David_McNickle wrote:

    WR 29,
    We are still using bin liners (until Sept.) and a lot of us put them under one lamp post. They have no idea who put out how many.

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  • 46. At 5:01pm on 22 Apr 2008, David_McNickle wrote:

    AC 30,
    She could have got married elsewhere if that's how you feel about the CofE.

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  • 47. At 5:06pm on 22 Apr 2008, David_McNickle wrote:

    Stewart M 39,
    You don't have to get married in the parish you live in. And, you can now be divorced and get married in a CofE church.

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  • 48. At 5:45pm on 22 Apr 2008, needsanewnickname wrote:

    Newsletter? Wot's that?

    Will som kind soul tell me how I can start getting the flippin newsletter again, having been struck off the email list without explanation, intervention of mods (or rockers; BBC balance, chaps) or asking to be?

    Boo hoo, I feel rejected and left out.
    ;o) but really, c'mon, Blogsy, Rupert, Eric the half-well, anyone?

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  • 49. At 5:55pm on 22 Apr 2008, neoGrandad wrote:

    Many may be unaware that the 'man fined for too much rubbish' story and the 'costs of EU Parliament' story are directly related. Our Councils are now fined by the EU for sending too much rubbish to landfill, so the Council was really defraying some of its expenses by fining this unfortunate man.
    Get used to it, this madness is set to continue.

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  • 50. At 6:03pm on 22 Apr 2008, Big Sister wrote:

    Shock Horror: Cumbria is now in Wales!!!!

    David, you should know better ;o)

    Good programme, Sequin.

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  • 51. At 6:13pm on 22 Apr 2008, steelpulse wrote:

    Eddie poorly? I wish him the best but then I thought - long term sickness as an excuse.

    That gentleman MP in Finland gave ill health as reason for finally quitting and no offence, Sir, but who can forget the Importance of being Ernest all those years ago? That was some recovery - allegedly. I wonder though Caroline - is he really sick, Eddie - or is he running up and down the touchline for Liverpool versus Chelsea this evening. Have you an answer, Mr Mayor - sorry Mair?

    And when was us plebs given any time off if we were sick? Onyergo, ystavani was a constant cry and still is.

    So someone else sniffs - eh? Allowances asked for? European Parliament type ones?

    And Ari Vartenen, a Finn, represents the "South of France"? My missus suggested he lived there.

    I live in Cloud Cuckoo land. May I be its representative and move monthly between Strasberg and Brussells?

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  • 52. At 6:22pm on 22 Apr 2008, Fearless Fred wrote:

    Back to the Europe question, did I hear right that it costs €220 MILLION every year going back and forth?!? And what justification was offered by the gentleman representing the South of France? It's a symbol of the suffering from the two world wars. Okay, then let's change the location from Strasbourg to Dresden, or Coventry, or Krakow? All are equally valid as Strasbourg. or why not have it move every week to a different major city within the EU?

    Before anyone thinks I'm serious about this, I'm not. What I *am* is livid that the money of taxpayers across the EU is wasted in a pointless vanity exercise once a month, not to mention the damage to the environment by the meaningless travel back and forth. It's time for sanity to take over...

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  • 53. At 6:38pm on 22 Apr 2008, Fifi wrote:

    Deepthought (21) : Compostable waste is any vegetable matter that hasn't been cooked. If it's been cooked it'll only compost at mega-high temperatures in an anaerobic digester, which most local authorities still don't have. Kitchen waste is anything that won't recycle in any other way... including cooked vegetable matter. I'm glad that's clear then. ;o)

    David McNickle (47): My friend's adopted daughter was refused permission to marry in her own parish church because her fiance is divorced. However the vicar concerned was so adamant about it, I suspect it's just 'his' personal opinion rather than policy from On High.


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  • 54. At 6:53pm on 22 Apr 2008, Big Sister wrote:

    Fifi: You can give put the cooked stuff, along with a lot of other things, in a wormery. And, because they're rat proof, you can even include meat, etc.

    I love my little wriggly friends ;o)

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  • 55. At 7:42pm on 22 Apr 2008, mygloriousleader wrote:

    I like my wiggly friend big sis (54)...
    but that's enough about my cat....:o)

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  • 56. At 8:07pm on 22 Apr 2008, Gillianian wrote:

    I guess Staffordshire must be an exception - we can now put all food (cooked or otherwise) into our brown compost bin, in with the garden waste. It's collected once a fortnight - alternating with the black ''general'' bin.
    We have 2 green boxes - one for paper and cardboard, the other for glass, metal and plastic - which are collected every week.
    As a family of 5 we could have asked for an extra black bin, but we find a single one adequate. I have on one occasion asked my neighbour (a single person) if I could put one bag of rubbish into her half-empty bin - otherwise I would have had to take it to the ''tip'' (where there are skips for everything) or put it into the black bin once it had been emptied.
    Mr Corkhill was daft not to pay his fine when it was first imposed. It was his failure to pay and the subsequent consequences which led to his criminal record, not the bin being over-filled.

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  • 57. At 10:47pm on 22 Apr 2008, ValeryP wrote:

    So, do I live in the most backward county in the UK? We have one wheelie bin, which is emptied once per week. Full stop. There are some glass and tin recycling wheelie bins outside the nearest village hall, a quarter of a mile away. The dog enjoys the walk. He hears the clink of the bottles and knows which way to turn at the top of the drive :-)

    We have our own compost heap, and have to take papers 4 miles to the nearest T*sco, to put them in their recycling skip.

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  • 58. At 11:18pm on 22 Apr 2008, jonnie wrote:

    Fred - I agree with your post 100 percent - nothing to add

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  • 59. At 09:17am on 23 Apr 2008, steelpulse wrote:

    T*sco? Who do they think they are?

    Misuse of this story? Further you mean?

    That would be fun. Simon Bates on Classic - on St Georges Day told me just now it is shining in South Africa (the weather presumably) and if that is alright with my half family and me - who cares? When the whole of another country gets between you and a family search.........

    I have just been invited to Olympia. I will not be going. I expect to be in Stoke on that date. LOL

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  • 60. At 09:42am on 23 Apr 2008, RJMolesworth wrote:

    Ah! The post code wheelie-bin lottery. It a fine country. A fine for this, a fine for that. Getting to be like Singapore. What Mr Corkhill forgot, as most drivers never fail to, is that it is always cheaper to be guilty than innocent in an English court. Of course, if he had gone immediately to his local council and grovelled a bit and promised on his mother's life he would mend his ways then he might have got the penalty quashed.

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  • 61. At 10:59am on 23 Apr 2008, David_McNickle wrote:

    Fifi 53,
    A divorced man I know was recently married in St Albans Cathedral. It is up to the powers-that-be in each parish. Our daughter was refused there some years ago before they relaxed the rules. She did have the marriage blessed there afterwards.

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  • 62. At 11:27am on 23 Apr 2008, darwinite wrote:

    Okay here goes - in anticipation of tomorrow's NUT strike and, included in that the fact that FE Lecturers are joining in - I would just like to ask could that information that FE Lecturers get paid less than teachers get a mention. We teach large classes for longer hours, less holiday, less pay and a great many of us teach only 16 -19 AS and A Level as well as some GCSE - What's the difference? As a parent myself I know it's tough when primary school teachers aren't there, but as a person who teaches only AS and A Level - if they don't know it by now - the revision time will do them good. If the European Parliament is expensive then discuss it by all means, but my students support the strike - not only because they'll get a day off (some of them) but because they know that in 5 - 6 years time some of them will be teachers or FE lecturers with a student debt, a low salary and a career pyramid to face not a ladder - not to mention only ever being able to have expensive holidays. Teachers have jumped through hoops to do what government asked and now they and their colleagues in FE get to fall behind even further.

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  • 63. At 12:08pm on 23 Apr 2008, Simon wrote:

    Whether as a divorcee you can remarry in a particular CofE church depends solely on the vicar. I'm told that around a quarter will do so, usually provided that neither party was responsible for the collapse of their previous marriage (ie. no adultery).

    We've been looking into this recently ourselves. We've found some that will, more that won't. Old habits are hard to break. The church hierarchy declared that it had no principled objection, but then left it up to individual vicars to decide their own policy.

    So it's like any compromise, messy and indecisive.


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  • 64. At 2:29pm on 23 Apr 2008, Dave Eyre wrote:

    Can I add my protest to the disregard of the 250 Further Education Colleges where the lecturers get 6% less money for teaching the same students.

    Perhaps a government Minister could be asked to explain this discrepancy - and when it will stop.

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  • 65. At 4:56pm on 23 Apr 2008, David_McNickle wrote:

    BS 50,
    I think I was confusing the wheelie bin story with the Humph story and Mrs Trellis of Cardiff. I actually don't remember Cumbria being mentioned.

    A columnist in The Indy said that Youngstown, Ohio is far from Pennsylvania. It is if six miles is far. He was probably thinking of Iowa....or Idaho. Pennsylvania and Ohio share a border.

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  • 66. At 5:22pm on 23 Apr 2008, Perky wrote:

    Hi everyone - haven't been here for a while so 'scuse me whilst I catch up:

    Bins - we don't have wheelie bins here, but a weekly blag bag collection. We're a family of 4 and I shop with recycling in mind and usually, we only put one bin bag out each week. Weekly collections of plastic, glass, paper and cardboard usually sorts out the rest; I have a compost bin in the garden and take other stuff to the recycling banks or freecycle it. I'm lucky that I have the time to sort most of our rubbish, but it honestly isn't that hard.

    Weddings - I married a divorced man in the church I had attended all my childhood, but it was a struggle. The female vicar refused to marry us point blank, and the male vicar made us travel 200 miles from where we lived for 3 weeks, for marriage sessions where he asked my husband questions about his previous marriage that even I hadn't asked him, in order to satisfy himself that the marriage break-up wasn't his fault. In hindsight, a registry office would have been just as nice and a lot less intrusive.

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  • 67. At 12:59pm on 24 Apr 2008, Aperitif wrote:

    Darwinite (62), When FE lecturers are obliged to go through the same lengthy training process and have the same pastoral and legal obligations as teachers, then I'll support a claim to equal pay.

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  • 68. At 1:42pm on 24 Apr 2008, darwinite wrote:

    Aperitif (67,62) Actually we are now - I have a degree, PGCE and any FE Lecturer coming in must have at least an FE equivalent of a PGCE, and additional qualifications - as for pastoral care I have tutor group whose care and UCAS applications I must oversee - teenagers can suffer severe crises - believe me- our legal responsibilities are close to equivalent and the size of classes very similar, we are inspected regularly by Ofsted and must account for every lesson through planning - FE colleges now account for 40% of A Level students - can I count on your support?

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