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Would Liverpool be making a mistake to let Carroll go?

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Phil McNulty | 12:19 UK time, Wednesday, 11 July 2012

Andy Carroll may have thought he had finally got his feet under the table at Liverpool after ending last season with the sort of flourish that suggested he had settled to life on Merseyside.

No-one could claim the 23-year-old had even come close to justifying the exorbitant £35m fee Liverpool handed over to Newcastle United in January 2011 as part of the proceeds from Fernando Torres's £50m sale to Chelsea.

There were some vital signs, however, of the return of the form that prompted former manager Kenny Dalglish to make the giant Geordie his prime target once Torres had taken his talents to Stamford Bridge.

Carroll, for so long little more than a despairing misfit despite constant public expressions of faith from Dalglish, was alive again. He scored the winner in the FA Cup semi-final against Everton and almost rescued a hopeless position against Chelsea in the final at Wembley with a goal and a performance that made a nonsense of his non-selection, although Dalglish's initial pick seemed based on sound logic.

He then followed that up by terrorising Chelsea captain John Terry as Liverpool won 4-1 in a Premier League game that turned out to be Dalglish's last Anfield game as manager before he was sacked and replaced by Brendan Rodgers.

And it is the arrival of Rodgers, accompanied by his avowed intention to maintain the fluid, passing approach that won so many admirers at Swansea City that now leaves Carroll's Liverpool future open to question.

Carroll scored some crucial goals for Liverpool at the back end of last season. Photo: Getty

If Carroll, who played for England at Euro 2012 and scored a spectacular header in the win against Sweden, was hoping for a ringing endorsement from Rodgers about the part he has to play at Anfield then it has not arrived.

He will hardly have been reassured by the arrival of Roma's Fabio Borini while Rodgers has expressed his hopes that Uruguayan striker Luis Suarez will sign a new contract at Liverpool.

It merely strengthens the impression that Carroll's bludgeoning, physical style will not provide a neat fit within the more subtle tactical framework Rodgers aims to foster following his arrival at Anfield. He prefers a high-tempo front three - a system which Carroll would not appear to suit.

Rodgers said: "Andy's always going to be linked with clubs, whether he was here or not. I have spoken to him on his holidays and he knows exactly where he stands.

"Andy's a player I want to assess and speak with. We've already had a good chat on where we're at."

Carroll will be reluctant to give up easily on his Anfield career after only 18 months and he may regard Rodgers's words as a demand to adapt to the new climate at the club rather than a message that he is heading for the exit.

In among the plaudits that were aimed in Swansea's direction last season, there was the occasional barb that their passing approach sometimes lacked a "Plan B". Would Carroll not provide that other option should Rodgers experience similar problems, or is he simply too much of a stranger to his coaching philosophy?

Experienced Liverpool observers rightly point to potential problems with Carroll's fitness should he not get a regular game. That is not a comment on his attitude, which was praised by Dalglish and England manager Roy Hodgson, but a recognition that he is a player who needs to be in constant action. This is unlikely to be the case now Rodgers has landed Borini.

The dilemma is not only Carroll's. Liverpool would prefer to sell but know they might not get within £20m of a return on their initial investment. This has led to speculation about a loan move, although the Anfield club have turned down such an approach from Carroll's former club Newcastle.
West Ham would also be interested if a loan deal could be done. It does not take a huge leap of the imagination to see how much Hammers manager Sam Allardyce might relish the idea of Carroll leading his attack back in the Premier League.

Of course one option is that Carroll, having showing flashes of form at the end of last season, will choose to stay and fight it out and prove to Rodgers that he can play a part.

It certainly seems Carroll retains support among Liverpool's fan base. Throwing out the question about his future on Twitter, the audience is obviously framed by that medium but there was virtually unanimous backing for Carroll to be given a chance by Rodgers.

Rodgers wants to make a fast start at Liverpool after a tough early fixture list gave them home games against Manchester City, Arsenal and Manchester United.

Whether Andy Carroll has a part to play in those games remains to be seen.

Comments

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  • Comment number 1.

    Where has all this speculation about Carrol come from? Bella-scrony's son says he liked Carroll's goal and Rodger's said 'there is always going to be speculation" and all of a sudden West Ham are in the hunt for a loan deal...?

    This recession is to blame, with so little funds available the media are scratching through the the dirt like starving chickens for any hint of a story... Tiresome.

  • Comment number 2.

    I am not a Liverpool fan,But I find it really odd if Rodgers is really going to put Carrol out to pasture?
    Are the Liverpool owneres about to buy Inesta?isTorres coming back? or maybe they are going for Renaldo? I sincererly doubt it.
    as it stands currently Liverpool are at best a mid table PL team.they need some really top notch players to get anywhere near the top 4 or 5

  • Comment number 3.

    Its not what Rodgers is saying, its what he is not saying... comments such as "Andy's a player I want to assess and speak with. We've already had a good chat on where we're at." is hardly a ringing endorsement is it?

  • Comment number 4.

    He could be his plan Z,but that is about as good as it could get.

  • Comment number 5.

    give him til xmas, and when he doesnt improve let him go, otherwise carrolls failing will end up on rodgers shoulders

  • Comment number 6.

    Bring back Robbo!

  • Comment number 7.

    I'm not sure i see the merits in having a £35m "Plan B". Rodgers clearly has a coaching and playing style that he's used to, that he believes in and it is this attitude that landed him the Anfield job in the first place. To then suggest she should change a seemingly winning formula simply to afford a £35m waste of space like Caroll is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as them spending that level of cash on him in the first place.

    Rodgers should be given the time to develop his team and if Caroll is not part of it then so be it.

  • Comment number 8.

    Liverpool are a funny team aren't they? They purchase the best English striker other than Rooney and then 18 months late want to get rid of him. Danny Welbeck is injury prone - its why mu wont give him a new deal yet, until he proves his fitness.

    I rather have Carroll than Torres at Chelsea!!! Get him on loan with a view to buy for £15m and it is an bargin!!!

  • Comment number 9.

    Why has the media blown up such a massive story out of nothing? All because Rodgers didn't say that Carroll definitely would stay, never said he was considering loaning him out or anything. Nothing will come of it, just an overreaction by the media.

  • Comment number 10.

    I think Newcastle fans are still laughing now! £35million.

    He's a good player, but that must go down as one of the best pieces of business in football history.

  • Comment number 11.

    Why should a team/manager change a style of play to suit one player?
    Especially when the player himself is less than mediocre?

    It is ironic West Ham should be the team he is linked with due to his best mate being there and also the Sam Alladyce style of hoof and loof football which will suit Carroll most.

    It is also hypocriticle of certain Liverpool supporters who now beleive Carroll should stay when these same Kop lot said he is crap and doesnt belong in a Liverpool shirt like some of the other Dalglish signings.

    This is a new era for the Kop so get rid of the dead wood and move on.

  • Comment number 12.

    6.At 14:10 11th Jul 2012, Jlappy wrote:
    Bring back Robbo!
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    I miss Robbo´s blogs :(

    Hey Phil
    Did the BBC sack him ?

  • Comment number 13.

    Andy Carroll may have thought he had finally got his feet under the table at Liverpool after ending last season with the sort of flourish that suggested he had settled to life on Merseyside.
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    What's is the justification for this paragraph?

  • Comment number 14.

    Carroll & Cole up front for the Hammers...possibly the worst ever strikeforce to put on an England shirt? Big Sam just needs Heskey to make the Holy Trinity complete. Rumour has it he's thinking about luring Michael Ricketts out of retirement.

  • Comment number 15.

    9.At 14:19 11th Jul 2012, Itsaliarromeo wrote:
    Why has the media blown up such a massive story out of nothing?
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    It is pre-season and there is nothing else to write about

  • Comment number 16.

    I could see Carroll working fine as the point of a 3-man attack with Suarez and Borlini playing off him.
    I don't imagine Rodgers is as rigid as some seem to suggest and would have no problem imagining him tweaking the way he had Swansea playing to include Carroll.
    Is Carroll, after all, a worse player than Danny Graham?

  • Comment number 17.

    Maybe Al-Forest could put in a sneaky bid for him. PL Champions within 5 years.....err

  • Comment number 18.

    15.
    At 14:24 11th Jul 2012, repo wrote:


    9.At 14:19 11th Jul 2012, Itsaliarromeo wrote:
    Why has the media blown up such a massive story out of nothing?
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    It is pre-season and there is nothing else to write about

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    There's always Beckham! As non-stories go, that has to be one of the best.

  • Comment number 19.

    "10. At 14:19 11th juil. 2012, derwaldmann - 22-01-2011 wrote:
    I think Newcastle fans are still laughing now! £35million.

    He's a good player, but that must go down as one of the best pieces of business in football history."



    Yeah, right. Nearly as good as the £50m for Torres.

  • Comment number 20.

    16.
    At 14:26 11th Jul 2012, Taras_Bulba aka Sid wrote:


    I could see Carroll working fine as the point of a 3-man attack with Suarez and Borlini playing off him.
    I don't imagine Rodgers is as rigid as some seem to suggest and would have no problem imagining him tweaking the way he had Swansea playing to include Carroll.
    Is Carroll, after all, a worse player than Danny Graham?

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    In fairness Danny Graham had the pace of Dyer and Sinclair as support. Carroll had Stewart Downing!

  • Comment number 21.

    8.
    At 14:15 11th Jul 2012, David Rolls wrote:

    Liverpool are a funny team aren't they? They purchase the best English striker other than Rooney and then 18 months late want to get rid of him. Danny Welbeck is injury prone - its why mu wont give him a new deal yet, until he proves his fitness.

    I rather have Carroll than Torres at Chelsea!!! Get him on loan with a view to buy for £15m and it is an bargin!!!
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    Is he even worth £15m?? why would you go for him when newcastle have a player that can play, for £7m!! maybe its liverpools turn to get the good side of a business deal from newcastle, after all they robbed liverpool of about £34m!

  • Comment number 22.

    18.At 14:27 11th Jul 2012, becks-phone-call-went-to-me wrote:
    There's always Beckham! As non-stories go, that has to be one of the best.
    ________________________________________

    I thought they did Beckham a couple of weeks ago ?

    Some blogs on the Olympic football teams might have been better especially with a lot of young talent on show.

  • Comment number 23.

    21.At 14:29 11th Jul 2012, King Red wrote:
    they robbed liverpool of about £34m!
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    No they did´nt , they robbed Chelsea :)

    Liverpool got 15m and Carroll for a demotivated Torres , not bad business.

  • Comment number 24.

    Andy Carroll like every other player in the Liverpool squad should be given a chance to prove they can adapt to Brendan Rodgers style. Liverpool do not have money to waste so the idea of releasing players before seeing what they can do is nonsense. I don't see why a front 3 of Suarez, Carroll and Bellamy in the short term can't provide the goals. It is the midfield that needs drive, energy and vision, hopefully Rodgers gives everyone a chance and saves the money for when he knows for definite what players are not up to the job.

  • Comment number 25.

    22.
    At 14:30 11th Jul 2012, repo wrote:


    18.At 14:27 11th Jul 2012, becks-phone-call-went-to-me wrote:
    There's always Beckham! As non-stories go, that has to be one of the best.
    ________________________________________

    I thought they did Beckham a couple of weeks ago ?

    Some blogs on the Olympic football teams might have been better especially with a lot of young talent on show.

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    As if one blog on Beckham is enough - that's borderline blasphemy sir!

    I think you've mistaken these blogs for serious football journalism that provide analysis on current football events. It's actually just glorified tabloid gossiping.

    Anyone got any tips for the new season's Fantasy Football? Park @ QPR looks tasty (no pun intended for those who know the United chant!). Reckon he'll be circa £5m.

  • Comment number 26.

    I'm a happy neutral - except for England (oh dear) and call me a dreamer, I can't promise he'll succeed but if he manages to win trophies for Liverpool - playing his way - I think Brendan might just be the future of English football. If kids see a successful side controlling, passing, staying close, moving and finishing cleverly we'll start breeding some proper footballers. Of course, if he fails and pace & aggression win the day as usual you can forget the above. Regarding Carroll, I think he'll keep an open mind, try to get him to play less in the air, more in Brendan's style and if it works - great. If not, if the right offer turns up he'll probably let him go.

  • Comment number 27.

    23.
    At 14:33 11th Jul 2012, repo wrote:


    21.At 14:29 11th Jul 2012, King Red wrote:
    they robbed liverpool of about £34m!
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    No they did´nt , they robbed Chelsea :)

    Liverpool got 15m and Carroll for a demotivated Torres , not bad business.

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    It's good to see Liverpool's descent into mid-table hasn't made you lose your sense of humour mate. Glass half full eh!

  • Comment number 28.

    Carroll should be given a chance. Unplayable on his day, and there is a very good reason why he cost alot of money (even if too much) as he is young and talented, his goal against Sweden was class, he scored 1 and a half in the FA Cup final, he deserves a chance as a 23 year old guy. Liverpool fans always believe in giving people a chance. Patients with Carroll is starting to pay dividens, but if Rodger's gets rid of him straight away and we don't improve, he will have some serious questions to answer to the fans

  • Comment number 29.

    15.At 14:24 11th Jul 2012, repo wrote:

    It is pre-season and there is nothing else to write about
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    I am looking forward to the Olympic footy tournament, although, I rather selfishly wish Suarez wasn't playing in it. The guy will have had little or no break going into the new season.

  • Comment number 30.

    24.
    At 14:34 11th Jul 2012, Mike Arms wrote:


    Andy Carroll like every other player in the Liverpool squad should be given a chance to prove they can adapt to Brendan Rodgers style. Liverpool do not have money to waste so the idea of releasing players before seeing what they can do is nonsense. I don't see why a front 3 of Suarez, Carroll and Bellamy in the short term can't provide the goals. It is the midfield that needs drive, energy and vision, hopefully Rodgers gives everyone a chance and saves the money for when he knows for definite what players are not up to the job.

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    If Liverpool played all 3 together they'd get buried. The midfield and defence would have absolutely no cover and that's not even taking into account Gerrard's positional roaming.

    Rodgers will play Suarez, Bellamy and another (Joe Cole?) with Gerrard, Lucas and Adam in the middle.

  • Comment number 31.

    @15 'for three seasons, I meant'

  • Comment number 32.

    23.
    At 14:33 11th Jul 2012, repo wrote:

    21.At 14:29 11th Jul 2012, King Red wrote:
    they robbed liverpool of about £34m!
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    No they did´nt , they robbed Chelsea :)

    Liverpool got 15m and Carroll for a demotivated Torres , not bad business.
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    Im sure you wont want to see many more of those transfers though, all in all i'd say liverpool and chelsea did themselves no favours. torres has been a shadow of his old self at chelsea as has carroll at liverpool, newcastle on the other hand got demba ba and cisse for less than 16m i believe. now thats good business.

  • Comment number 33.

    28.
    At 14:37 11th Jul 2012, jp wrote:

    "Liverpool fans always believe in giving people a chance."

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    I'm sure the current England manager would disagree with you there.

  • Comment number 34.

    @30
    "Rodgers will play Suarez, Bellamy and another (Joe Cole?) with Gerrard, Lucas and Adam in the middle."
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    Of all the current players, I really do hope Adam is history.

  • Comment number 35.

    Carroll needs service and confidence to fulfil his enormous potential. The lad should be leading Liverpool's front line for years to come. Suarez is not a finisher and this tiki taki football does not produce an abundance of goals....Swansea struggled the score last year and the world of football has worked it out....Refa did it a few years ago and Inter and Chelsea since with Barca. Liverpool will need penetration and power, especially at home and Carroll gives you both. On his day this lad is unplayable and will only get better. If Rodgers cannot fit Andy Carroll in his team then it shows his limitations as a manager. Shankly and Paisley accommodated big men in a pass & move game to great effect. Carroll could be the new Toshack but needs to find a partner. Suarez is to greedy and selfish to partner anyone and this needs to be addressed as well. If Rodgers doesn't come out soon and support Carroll then that's the first nail in his coffin, if he farms him out or sells him, there's number 2. Rodgers will need to be sure that his decision is right or he'll be dead in the water by Xmas, unless he's in the mix on all fronts and his new strikers are on fire.....

  • Comment number 36.

    34.
    At 14:44 11th Jul 2012, Frank Black wrote:


    @30
    "Rodgers will play Suarez, Bellamy and another (Joe Cole?) with Gerrard, Lucas and Adam in the middle."
    ______________________________________________________________________
    Of all the current players, I really do hope Adam is history.

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    To be fair, the lad's a bit chunky but can play a pass or two. Right down Rodgers' street I'd assume. The worry would be that midfield isn't very mobile. Could this be the coming of age of Jordan Henderson I wonder?

  • Comment number 37.

    This is for Taras_Bulba aka Sid
    50 million for Torres, who won the Champions League with Chelsea, and made the Spain team on the back of those performances, where he went on to lift the trophy and pick up the golden boot. What has Carroll given you? That`s right, ZIP!
    Liverpool fans are just bitter that Torres proved them right when he said he had to move to win any significant trophies, and now he has. Chelsea will have recouped most of that 50 million from winning the champions league. How much of the 35 million you spent on Carroll has been recouped with your hard fought win against a championship side in the Carling cup or whatever its gonna be called this year. lol

  • Comment number 38.

    34.
    At 14:44 11th Jul 2012, Frank Black wrote:

    @30
    "Rodgers will play Suarez, Bellamy and another (Joe Cole?) with Gerrard, Lucas and Adam in the middle."
    ______________________________________________________________________
    Of all the current players, I really do hope Adam is history.
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    he can easily be replaced with henderson, the kid needs a full season, remember gerrard at hendersons age? hardly missed a game

  • Comment number 39.

    27.At 14:36 11th Jul 2012, becks-phone-call-went-to-me wrote:
    good to see Liverpool's descent into mid-table hasn't made you lose your sense of humour mate. Glass half full eh!
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    That me, a glass half guy :)

    Peronally I would like to see Rodgers have a good clear out of players and rebuild the team over 3 years with the youngers , including Carroll.

    Carragher to retire , cash in on Johnson, Downing, Adam, Skrytel and Henrique , release Maxi and Bellamy. But keep Gerrard.

  • Comment number 40.

    27. At 14:36 11th juil. 2012, becks-phone-call-went-to-me wrote:

    It's good to see Liverpool's descent into mid-table hasn't made you lose your sense of humour mate. Glass half full eh!

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    This is the sort of rubbish that ruins pretty much every blog one can find.

  • Comment number 41.

    Nice article Tim, I think you are right, he would be a good plan B. He showed last season that he can come on an change games. He's a great player to have in your back-pocket so to speak. Don't forget, he's still learning his trade - he's still quite young and I'm sure will adapt to Rodger's plans.

  • Comment number 42.

    How many more chances does Carrol need? How many more seasons? When you spend 35mil you expect something for it; he hasn't delivered, neither will he, it seems.
    He doesn't fit at LFC, and he fits even less into Rodgers brand of football. It's time LFC fans stop deluding themselves: cut your losses and move on.

  • Comment number 43.

    32.At 14:43 11th Jul 2012, King Red wrote:

    Im sure you wont want to see many more of those transfers though
    ____________________________________

    You are correct !

    I posted my thoughts on post #39. There is no quick fix for Liverpool if they want to challenge for the title , so it is better to give Rodgers time to build a good team..

  • Comment number 44.

    40.
    At 14:49 11th Jul 2012, Taras_Bulba aka Sid wrote:


    27. At 14:36 11th juil. 2012, becks-phone-call-went-to-me wrote:

    It's good to see Liverpool's descent into mid-table hasn't made you lose your sense of humour mate. Glass half full eh!

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    This is the sort of rubbish that ruins pretty much every blog one can find.

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    That's right. You may refer to me as The_Soul_Patch_Of_David_Beckham if it makes you feel better :)

  • Comment number 45.

    Rodgers wasn't helping matters in the interview but he is a fair man and will give Andy a chance I'm sure. Oh and just a couple of points to some...chelsea fans: he ripped your captain apart twice and Utd fans: are you lot still banging on about £35m, Utd paid £30m for Veron and that was way before prices started to peak

  • Comment number 46.

    40.
    At 14:49 11th Jul 2012, Taras_Bulba aka Sid wrote:

    27. At 14:36 11th juil. 2012, becks-phone-call-went-to-me wrote:

    It's good to see Liverpool's descent into mid-table hasn't made you lose your sense of humour mate. Glass half full eh!

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    This is the sort of rubbish that ruins pretty much every blog one can find.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    100% as a united fan it gets old, the blog isnt titled "Slate at every chance"

  • Comment number 47.

    39.
    At 14:49 11th Jul 2012, repo wrote:


    27.At 14:36 11th Jul 2012, becks-phone-call-went-to-me wrote:
    good to see Liverpool's descent into mid-table hasn't made you lose your sense of humour mate. Glass half full eh!
    ______________________-

    That me, a glass half guy :)

    Peronally I would like to see Rodgers have a good clear out of players and rebuild the team over 3 years with the youngers , including Carroll.

    Carragher to retire , cash in on Johnson, Downing, Adam, Skrytel and Henrique , release Maxi and Bellamy. But keep Gerrard.

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    Henrique?

    I agree with the philosophy behind your idea but Agger & Suarez aside, Liverpool's squad is on the wrong side of 25 right?

    Carragher should stay for one more season.

    Shelvey, Spearing and Henderson need games. Martin Kelly should be a regular and what about the boy Sterling? Will he be pushing for a first team place this season or is it too soon?

  • Comment number 48.

    I do believe kenny destroyed the lads confidence too. When Suarez got banned Kenny had the chance to give Andy a good run of games..he didn't and you could see the confidence dwindle

  • Comment number 49.

    45.
    At 14:58 11th Jul 2012, Reinasbaldhead wrote:

    Rodgers wasn't helping matters in the interview but he is a fair man and will give Andy a chance I'm sure. Oh and just a couple of points to some...chelsea fans: he ripped your captain apart twice and Utd fans: are you lot still banging on about £35m, Utd paid £30m for Veron and that was way before prices started to peak
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    now now, veron at the time was in the top 3 mid feilders in the world, any team would have taken him at the time, the prem just wasnt for him. as a united fan we have heard about the veron transfer every single time a debate on transfers is on a blog, he also didnt cost £30m. its the same with rooney and rio, both on the other side of £25m. without starting any nonsense, usually when united spend we win the title.

  • Comment number 50.

    I don't think there is any reason why Rodgers couldn't accommodate Carroll if he wanted to. The problem is if it's a compromise that doesn't play to either Rodgers' or Carroll's strengths.

    It makes sense to me that sending Carroll out on loan to a team like West Ham with a manager who will play to his strengths might be preferable to him warming the bench at Anfield where his value will only depreciate further.

  • Comment number 51.

    Its cheaper to keep Carroll and buy left and right footed wingers such as Jarvis and Kightly from Wolves, and sell some of the other questionable purchases. This would fit in with Rodgers passing game and probably give them a shot at a European place. Making no changes would see them slide further down the table; the current sides form rate was relegation stuff, so something must change and couching isn't the answer.

  • Comment number 52.

    45.
    At 14:58 11th Jul 2012, Reinasbaldhead wrote:


    Rodgers wasn't helping matters in the interview but he is a fair man and will give Andy a chance I'm sure. Oh and just a couple of points to some...chelsea fans: he ripped your captain apart twice and Utd fans: are you lot still banging on about £35m, Utd paid £30m for Veron and that was way before prices started to peak

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    In this day and age of 24/7 media, anything anyone mildly important says is going to be hyped up to no avail. I can't see Carroll going out on loan because it'd be a total waste of time for him and Liverpool. Rodgers needs to bed him in from the very beginning.

    The price tag is irrelevant aside from the pressure it puts on a player. Carroll needs to kick on this season otherwise the media will feed him to the dogs. As you can tell from this "seed-planting" blog, they're already sharpening their knives...

  • Comment number 53.

    47.At 14:59 11th Jul 2012, becks-phone-call-went-to-me wrote:
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    Wilson or Flanagan for Henrique , better to sell him now and get a good price besides his defending is dodgy.

    Spearing should only be a squad player , you missed of Coates , him and Agger could make a good centreback pairing.


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  • Comment number 54.

    @49 - Top 3..really, erm ok (chuckle)

  • Comment number 55.

    Liverpool and promising youngsters, they have several but how will they ever get a game, with a get rid and buy policy.

    Connor Coady is an outstanding prospect who i hope to see blooded this season, is certainly one of them.

    I see 'becks phone call' mentioned Sterling, he's another with potential, he looks like a man amongst boys in reserve games for pool. No he is nowhere near the finished article but only games will create that.

  • Comment number 56.

    @39 repo

    I pretty much agree with you list except Skrtel & Enrique. I know Enrique was woeful for second half of last season but I believe it was because of the general malaise in the team.
    Becks: Adam can make a pass alright but it is all too rare. He is more often giving away cheap free kicks.

  • Comment number 57.

    Even if we sign Borini, we still need Carroll. Luckily we have the Europa league, plus a cup to defend and 38 league games so Carroll will get games.

  • Comment number 58.

    53.
    At 15:05 11th Jul 2012, repo wrote:


    47.At 14:59 11th Jul 2012, becks-phone-call-went-to-me wrote:
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    Wilson or Flanagan for Henrique , better to sell him now and get a good price besides his defending is dodgy.

    Spearing should only be a squad player , you missed of Coates , him and Agger could make a good centreback pairing.


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    Do you mean Jose Enrique? The LB? I was baffled there for a sec. Haven't heard anything of Wilson since he was bought but guess he was one for the future.

    Coates looks classy but don't know much about his defending.

    The issue for Liverpool now is their squad is distinctly average. Is there opportunity to throw the youngsters in at the deep end?

  • Comment number 59.

    Such a shame that just as Carroll seems to be recapturing the form that saw him brought to Anfield he's publicly being frozen out of the squad. I don't see why he couldn't be the central striker with Suarez and (if we can get him) Borini playing out wider, with their pace and Carroll's physical presence what a formidable attacking line up we'd have, especially with Lucas anchoring the midfield and Stevie G returning to his attacking midfield role.

  • Comment number 60.

    46.
    At 14:58 11th Jul 2012, King Red wrote:


    40.
    At 14:49 11th Jul 2012, Taras_Bulba aka Sid wrote:

    27. At 14:36 11th juil. 2012, becks-phone-call-went-to-me wrote:

    It's good to see Liverpool's descent into mid-table hasn't made you lose your sense of humour mate. Glass half full eh!

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    This is the sort of rubbish that ruins pretty much every blog one can find.
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    100% as a united fan it gets old, the blog isnt titled "Slate at every chance"

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    Jeez, chill out son! Talk about having things taken out of context. It was a light-hearted comment aimed at my old mucker Repo for trying to claim £35m for Carroll was a good bit of business in the grand scheme of things!

    There is a difference between banter and WUMing.

  • Comment number 61.

    56.At 15:10 11th Jul 2012, Frank Black wrote:
    @39 repo
    I pretty much agree with you list except Skrtel & Enrique.
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    Hi Frank
    Call me old fashioned but I like my defenders to be able to defend as a priority.

    I think the market rate for Skyrtel and Henrique is probably at it´s peak now, so lets cash in, especially as Man City have shown an interest in Skytel. A swap deal with Adam Johnson would be nice.

  • Comment number 62.

    54.At 15:07 11th Jul 2012, Reinasbaldhead wrote:
    @49 - Top 3..really, erm ok (chuckle)
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    To be fair Veron was a very good player, he just didnt settle in the U.K.

  • Comment number 63.

    37. At 14:48 11th Jul 2012, TheReasonableToffee wrote:
    This is for Taras_Bulba aka Sid
    50 million for Torres, who won the Champions League with Chelsea, and made the Spain team on the back of those performances, where he went on to lift the trophy and pick up the golden boot. What has Carroll given you? That`s right, ZIP!
    Liverpool fans are just bitter that Torres proved them right when he said he had to move to win any significant trophies, and now he has. Chelsea will have recouped most of that 50 million from winning the champions league. How much of the 35 million you spent on Carroll has been recouped with your hard fought win against a championship side in the Carling cup or whatever its gonna be called this year. lol

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    Agree! And throw in the FA Cup!

  • Comment number 64.

    This is getting so boring. How can such a big deal be made out of such little evidence. It's a complete non-story yet it's dominating the football headlines. Rodgers has indicated he has spoken with Carroll-hasn't even seen him play/train yet. Gold made a throw away comment about Carroll being a target IF he became available and all of a sudden the deal is practically done (according to the dross media we have to tolerate in Britain). It was AC Milan yesterday! Surely Rodgers doesn't need to mention every single player in the squad and tell us all how much they mean to Liverpool so we don't assume he's selling them. All totally ridiculous. When the move actually does/doesn't happen, then we can discuss it properly. Liverpool need another striker regardless of Carroll so the Borini rumours indicate nothing. Carroll could surely spearhead a 3 man attack with Suarez and whoever else playing off him. I just can't understand why this rumour has even started circulating. Very annoying.

  • Comment number 65.

    54.
    At 15:07 11th Jul 2012, Reinasbaldhead wrote:

    @49 - Top 3..really, erm ok (chuckle)
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    i wouldnt have thought it was up for debate that one. he was def up there as one of the best, the english game nearly ruined him completely

  • Comment number 66.

    Also Torres didn't win Chelsea the FA cup or Champions League. I'm pretty sure they would've done that without him.

  • Comment number 67.

    60.
    At 15:16 11th Jul 2012, becks-phone-call-went-to-me wrote:
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    just trying to hold the peace long enough to have an interesting debate, you know where united or liverpool blogs go.........

  • Comment number 68.

    60.At 15:16 11th Jul 2012, becks-phone-call-went-to-me wrote:
    It was a light-hearted comment aimed at my old mucker Repo for trying to claim £35m for Carroll was a good bit of business in the grand scheme of things!
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    To put the record straight Becks , I said it was not bad business to replace Torres with Carroll and 15m.
    But it was excellent business for Newcastle and not so good for Chelsea who coughed up the huge chunk of cash and all they got was a misfiring striker.

  • Comment number 69.

    Since all he can do is head, he'd be the ideal signing for Stoke or West Ham. Other than that, I can't see why any other club would want him.

  • Comment number 70.

    Andy Carroll is too good to be used as a plan B.
    Backed this lad from the start. Brendan needs to give the boy a chance in his system, he's not just a target man, very good on the floor as well as his goal in FA Cup Final showed.
    But if Brendan doesn't want him, there is no point in loaning him, we should sell. He'd definitely be in my team though. If he goes anywhere else he'll get 20 a season with ease.

  • Comment number 71.

    @ 61 repo

    Call me old fashioned but I like my defenders to be able to defend as a priority.
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    Well in an ideal world yes! But in today's game, very few of them (full back/wing backs or whatever you like to call them) actually can.

  • Comment number 72.

    Such a non story here. I'm pretty sure that Rodgers will start making decisions on individual players after he has spent some time working with them.

    But then again I suppose it has been a long few months since tha last LFC blog where the haters have had the opportunity for some Liverpool bashing, careful now lads most ODs occur when the addict falls off the wagon and tries too much too soon.
    YNWA

  • Comment number 73.

    @62 & 64 - as you both said 'was', he was in his twighlight years at best

  • Comment number 74.

    But if Brendan doesn't want him, there is no point in loaning him, we should sell.

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    How much would Liverpool accept though? £8 million? £10 million? I wouldn't see them getting anymore than that.

  • Comment number 75.

    sorry aimed at 65 not 64!

  • Comment number 76.

    Rogers wants to play a certain way, a certain style of football. Caroll doesnt fit into that as he cant play in a system, he's a big guy who needs the ball booted up in the air to him, Rogers wants to play nice football like at Swansea with the ball on the floor. Caroll had 6 good months at Newcastle, i feel sorry for the lad in terms of whats expected of the oaf, not in terms of his rediculous wages he will be receiving to be said oaf.

  • Comment number 77.

    Surely if there is one player that would fit into Brendan Rogers' style of play, would (probably) join Liverpool, and is not getting 1st XI football at the moment, it's Adam Johnson?

    A tricky, pacey winger would be great for Liverpool - and is key to Rogers' philosophy. Johnson and an intelligent, creative passer in midfield would be great for the club.

  • Comment number 78.

    61.
    At 15:16 11th Jul 2012, repo wrote:

    56.At 15:10 11th Jul 2012, Frank Black wrote:
    @39 repo
    I pretty much agree with you list except Skrtel & Enrique.
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    Hi Frank
    Call me old fashioned but I like my defenders to be able to defend as a priority.

    I think the market rate for Skyrtel and Henrique is probably at it´s peak now, so lets cash in, especially as Man City have shown an interest in Skytel. A swap deal with Adam Johnson would be nice.
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    Henrique was prob liverpools most consistant player last season..... or am i dreaming again? think the kop paid £6m for him, good deal, no point selling him though £8m would prob be the best you'd get for him, who would you get as a replacement. im no football manager and i dont like to pretend i know better than someone who works in the game, but rodgers can only add to the squad, he doesnt want to take away from a squad that obvisously needs to bulk up, downing will be good cover for the wings, bring in johnson, also a good buy would have been kalou. you would have to be mad to sell ?skytel? as carragher will at best have 1 season left.

  • Comment number 79.

    57. Reinasbaldhead

    agree totally, buying Borini would be a great signing but with the fixture pile up you will need him as well as Caroll if you have a good cup run like last season.

  • Comment number 80.

    As i said in my post#11

    I see more post registered of my point of how fickle the kop lot really are. Someone posted Rodgers should have a 3 year plane to build a top side. Including Carroll and Stevie G? The latter would then have surely retired by then and as for Carroll?

    This is a player that will have little impact if he was to play for a successful team.
    He is judged soley on his form in May and his only contribution in the Euro's his headed goal against Sweden.

    If you want goals.. Not many will come from carroll. His overall career goalscoring record is poor. Him leaving will be the kop lot's only hope.

  • Comment number 81.

    becks phone call

    I see you also raised the youngster issue and LFC do have several who have shown plenty of potential.

    One of the problems for LFC, are they a serious club with a long term plan or a club that wants improvement on improvement and quickly? Are they also going to be a sacking club at the first setback?

    If it's the second one, Rodgers dare not take the youth route, self protection will dictate that.

  • Comment number 82.

    Ahh I predicted NUFC would do the best out of this...:)
    http://yougottasmile.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/football/

  • Comment number 83.

    73.At 15:30 11th Jul 2012, Reinasbaldhead wrote:
    @62 & 64 - as you both said 'was', he was in his twighlight years at best
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    I think you will find he was pretty handy in Italy before he went to Man Utd.

  • Comment number 84.

    77.city ground resident

    but we dont want to sell Adam, we would have to replace him, we need a big squad and players to start or come off the bench that can make things happen, Johnson is just that. We would want good money for him or a replacement. mancini knows his qualities but doesnt like his work ethic at times.

  • Comment number 85.

    It doesn't necessarily matter how good Carroll is.

    Compare the situation to Zlatan at Barcelona. It's hard to say he was a failure there given his record but they clearly improved by cutting their losses and replacing him with David Villa - not necessarily a much better footballer but a footballer who is a more natural fit in that system.

  • Comment number 86.

    To put it simply.....improve the supply to Carroll and we'll start seeing the Carroll that that we thought we were buying.

    All this nonsense about him being a big tall target man for lofted crosses from the wings - yes, he can be that guy, but if you look back at some of the goals he scored for Newcastle, they were from clever little diagonal balls that Barton played along the floor for him to run onto. The lad can use his feet as well as his head to score. What about that goal he scored in the Euros? Nice bit of skill in the box, dug it out from underneath himself and smashed the ball in. More than just a headering machine.

    Give the lad a chance and give him some decent service along the deck in interesting positions that split the defence apart. Only then will he get back to where he probably feels he should be

  • Comment number 87.

    Someone posted Rodgers should have a 3 year plane to build a top side.

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    this is the final call for Rogers airways, final call for Rogers airways, will all passengers please board flight 658912 to Zagreb for their Europa dream package deal.

    Complimentary nuts, Bellamy and Caroll will be handed out to any takers during the flight.

  • Comment number 88.

    @83 - handy in a much slower league yes, I wouldn't say he set Serie A alight though! If he was that good it would have worked for him as the saying goes 'form is temporary, class is pemanent'

  • Comment number 89.

    TheReasonableToffee,

    Ah yes, the old show me your medals arguement.
    It's an old arguement and an obtuse one.
    Yes, Torres has won the Champions League and the Euros as a Chelsea player.
    He has scored 7 goals in 46 league games for Chelsea but he's worth £50m because he has won the Champions League and the Euros as a Chelsea player.
    He was very much a bit-parter in the Champions League (10mins over 2 legs in the semi and 6mins +et in the Final?) and the Euros (apart from the Ireland game 44mins and a goal against a demoralised Italy) but he's worth £50m because he has won the Champions League and the Euros as a Chelsea player.

  • Comment number 90.

    @87 - Ah yes the same Europa that City were in the last 2 seasons!

  • Comment number 91.

    I would really like to know the source of the quotes being attributed to Brendan Rodgers about Carroll. This all came out after a fairly mundane press conference on Monday (watch from 5mins for transfers and Carroll quotes - http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/rodgers-jay-and-lucas-free-video%29 where Rodgers was asked a question about AC Milan reporting an interest in Carroll and Rodgers - who had already said he wouldn't comment on transfers - said "he's a good player Andy, he'll always be linked with other clubs... he's a very good young player and, like I say, he'll be linked with clubs like that because he is such a good player ... initially it's just about assessing the group and the squad". He didn't confirm that Carroll was part of his plans, but he refused to do confirm that for any player.

    I can't find where the BR quotes are coming from at all and if it was an interview, the newspapers would certainly have said he was talking to them. So if the BBC hasn't got a good source inside Liverpool FC then this is frankly appalling reporting. Even if taken at face value, Rodgers is the kind of manager who won't confirm particulars. When he says "I don't want to be here in two or three weeks having said something wouldn't happen, but then it has", he is more likely to mean that nothing is set in stone than suggesting it's really on the cards. Who knows - if some club comes out of the blue with a £35m bid they'd have to consider it...

    Smells like poor journalism more than a story to me

  • Comment number 92.

    88.Reinasbaldhead

    Veron is a class player, Serie A isnt that slow at all we play from the back to keep posession not hoof it up and lose it, hence why people (lazy journo's) think its slower, Veron was avery very good footballer.

  • Comment number 93.

    @82 - Newcastle did don best in the deal but when Ba activates that £7m clause Newcastle will feel robbed...swings and roundabouts!

  • Comment number 94.

    66.
    At 15:21 11th Jul 2012, GOD23911 wrote:

    Also Torres didn't win Chelsea the FA cup or Champions League. I'm pretty sure they would've done that without him.
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    what a sad thing to say, torres has a FA cup medal and a Champs league medal, respect to liverpool but what did he win with liverpool? he played and scored against barca in a champs league semi final, something very few players have done

  • Comment number 95.

    90. Reinasbaldhead

    calm down, calm dowm.

    we upgraded to 1st class, leaving the commoners in the cheap seats. aurevoir!

  • Comment number 96.

    78.At 15:35 11th Jul 2012, King Red wrote:
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    In my opinion Henrique was a dodgy defender , he bombed up the wing alright but he shot at goal far too often, which usually ended up hitting the guy sat in row Z.

    Maybe you are right about Skrytel , but it depends on what price he would go for.

  • Comment number 97.

    Bring Back Robbo!!!!

  • Comment number 98.

    81.
    At 15:35 11th Jul 2012, Londoner in exile returns wrote:


    becks phone call

    I see you also raised the youngster issue and LFC do have several who have shown plenty of potential.

    One of the problems for LFC, are they a serious club with a long term plan or a club that wants improvement on improvement and quickly? Are they also going to be a sacking club at the first setback?

    If it's the second one, Rodgers dare not take the youth route, self protection will dictate that.

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    Well, in today's era of win-at-all-costs and foreign ownership, I don't think he's going to be taking many risks in terms of youth. That said, if managers get sacked these days, they get awesome payouts so what's he got to lose?

  • Comment number 99.

    @92 - Yes a good player in a slow defensive league where players get time on the ball. He couldn't bring that quality to the Prem though, in fact I can't remember many players who have come from the Italian league and done well here...hoping Borini isn't in the same boat

  • Comment number 100.

    #93
    Not really, it'd still £7 million gained since he cost nothing in the first place.

 

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