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Disillusioned Van Persie is disaster for Arsenal

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Phil McNulty | 20:02 UK time, Wednesday, 4 July 2012

Arsenal may have been shocked by the timing and content of Robin van Persie’s statement announcing he will not sign a new contract – but in reality it was a fear finally realised.

Van Persie’s reluctance to commit his future to Arsenal and the failure of his meeting with manager Arsene Wenger and chief executive Ivan Gazidis to successfully resolve the matter meant the end was always in sight.

And while there was loose talk after the announcement that Van Persie and Arsenal could see out their remaining 12 months of contractual obligation, the tone of the 28-year-old’s message surely signals the end of his career at Emirates Stadium.

He left little or no room for manoeuvre as he displayed an obvious lack of faith in Arsenal to take him where he wishes to go and win the trophies that have eluded the Gunners since 2005.

“In this meeting,” he said, “it has again become clear to me that we in many aspects disagree on the way Arsenal should move forward.”

Robin van Persie

Van Persie has announced he will not sign a new deal with Arsenal. Photo: Getty

The tone brooked no argument. Arsenal, it seems, no longer fit in with Van Persie's desire for success.

Van Persie’s public questioning of Arsenal’s future strategy will have wounded Gazidis but especially Wenger – who clearly feels he has shown the requisite ambition by signing German international Lukas Podolski from Cologne and French striker Olivier Giroud.

It now seems certain they will be required to replace the weight of Van Persie's goals – 41 in 53 games for club and country last season – rather than add to them.

Wenger might just have expected his treatment from Van Persie to be a little more sympathetic, at least publicly. He showed commendable support for Van Persie throughout so many injury-troubled early years at the club and ultimately made him captain.

He may have been peerless in recent times but Arsenal’s fans have a case when they state it has not always been like that.

Van Persie was well within his rights to state he was not going to agree a new deal but the embellishment of his statement with a carefully aimed shot at the club’s hierarchy could be deemed as unnecessary.

He brutally put Arsenal’s aspirations into sharp focus and renewed the worries of supporters who fear they are falling behind the elite after watching Samir Nasri secure a Premier League winners’ medal after his move to Manchester City last summer, when they also saw Cesc Fabregas finally return to Barcelona.

And the fear now is that Van Persie will follow the path taken by Gael Clichy, Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Toure and Nasri and move to Manchester City.

The champions will have no problem satisfying Van Persie’s wages and ambitions – although City might not be keen to pay a Premier League premium for a player who is 29 in August and has, lest we forget, had plenty of injury problems in the past.

If he maintains his form, he would be a devastating addition for City and a painful reminder in very close proximity of what Arsenal once had.

Arsenal and Wenger will be desperately disappointed with Van Persie’s statement as it merely adds to the suggestion that they have been cut adrift from the real superpowers, company which they occupied comfortably for so long.

If Van Persie goes this summer, as he surely will, another of their crown jewels has disappeared and it is hard to see how Wenger – who in recent years has not quite been the alchemist he once was – can compensate for his absence.

The other dilemma for Arsenal is whether they can seriously take a stand and keep a player who has expressed such public dissatisfaction.

And what is the point of losing out on a handsome fee in exchange for a player who will have lost the affection of so many supporters in an instant and who clearly wishes to be elsewhere?

The logical option is to sell to the highest bidder, which is likely to be Manchester City. Arsenal would presumably prefer to sell abroad but all the best cards lie in Van Persie’s hands.

Wenger has faced many challenges in the recent barren years as top players have left, often despite his claims they were staying until virtually the moment they went through the door, but he will have faced few bigger than this one.

Arsenal have had enough trouble winning trophies even with Van Persie’s magical flourishes, to try to do so without them is quite a task even for Wenger’s powers of management and motivation.

Comments

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  • Comment number 1.

    Arsenal will move on as no one player is bigger than the club.
    First perhaps?

  • Comment number 2.

    Excellent player, but maybe not as good as he thinks he is. Truth is he is probably looking for a bonanza deal which means going to City as part of their striker rotation system. At least we'll find out whether he can handle the pressure of the really big occasion as he was found wanting when needed in Euro 2012.

  • Comment number 3.

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  • Comment number 4.

    You're bang on. We kept a lot of faith with him and his poor fitness. I want no less than twenty million, it's a sad day unfortunately.

  • Comment number 5.

    @1
    Surprising, I was going to make the same short comment. It might suit Arsenal to sell him now and cash in. Life goes on.

  • Comment number 6.

    The signing of Podolski and Giroud suggests to me that Wenger is planning the next season without Persie, rather than any attempt to compliment him or illustrate ambition.

    The problem for Arsenal now is theyve put themselves between a rock and a hard place....interested clubs now know they won't have to break the bank on Persie because Arsenal need to sell or keep an unhappy player

  • Comment number 7.

    Surprisingly balanced blog Phil.
    I would honestly say good riddance to Van Persie, I expected more from him than someone like Nasri, especially after the club supported him through rape accusations, injury and many years of sub-standard play.

    The loss this time round is balanced by the fact that Wenger FINALLY decided to be pro-active and bring in some attacking players. Front line of Podolski, Giroud and Walcott seems pretty strong to me.

    It is important for Arsenal to:
    A - Get a good transfer fee
    B - Make sure it is re-invested in the squad.

    If that happens I don't see us having a problem next year assuming Wilshere returns to full fitness.

  • Comment number 8.

    A good player leaves, another will step up to the plate to take his place.

    People were quick to be doomsayers when we lost Henry, and Fabregas, amongst others, but we always find ways to keep up, this will be no exception.

  • Comment number 9.

    Disagree, we got 25m for Nasri who is a far worse player and had less time to run on his contract

  • Comment number 10.

    "It now seems certain they will be required to replace the weight of Van Persie's goals – 41 in 53 games for club and country last season – rather than add to them."
    Would be hard for a Frenchman and a German to add to his goal tally for the Dutch national team.

  • Comment number 11.

    Phil, have you and the BBC learned nothing? Why is it whenever a "superstar" leaves a top club, journalists always paint a picture of doom? Great players leave teams every year - but only in the UK is it treated like a crisis.

    This is a player who tried to blackmail the club into doubling his salary, and buying more high profile players - when UEFA are doing their best to convince teams to function within their means.

    That is not even mentioning the fact that as a player, Van Persie is distinctly overrated anyway. His best seasons at Arsenal were post Ronaldo, Alonso, Robben - world class talents who have contested major finals or won a league championship - Van Persie has thrived in a relatively weak version of the Premier League - see the performances of both Manchester clubs in Europe and they were miles clear of the pack this year.

    If Arsenal can survive the loss of Bergkamp, Henry and Fabregas - they can survive the loss of a moody player who only turns up when everything is perfect.

    Also, consider this - When did Van Persie contribute against the best in his career so far? He is a flat-track bully who talks nice to the press so they hype him up.

  • Comment number 12.

    As a Gunners fan I'm not happy RVP is going, but the way he has done it just makes it worse. It's one thing to leave the club that supported you through your darkest hours of injury, but it's a whole different ball game to damage that club as you exit. Now we have no choice but to sell him and we better do it quickly - he'll unsettle the other players as long as he stays. Arsene Wenger deserved better. Thanks for the memories RVP, it's a shame your departure feels so bitter...

  • Comment number 13.

    I said at the start of the summer the club is in a win win situation. The wages and risk involved in keeping him with a long contract meant if the club and player negotiated well into the new season, then he saw out his contract and left for free having put himself in the shop window all season we'd win. If he stayed and signed the last contract of his career we'd (probably) win. The third eventuality was the worst - he refuses to sign early and the club are forced to take a cut price deal because he made it clear this summer he wouldn't sign a new contract.

    The club deserve better, and by playing the old "board lack ambition" card he's nicely extricating himself from any blame of being another Nasri. A lot of fans will buy into this and bring yet more negativity to the new season. I am disappointed with Van Persie's choices on this massive issue. I feel he should have handled this better.

  • Comment number 14.

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  • Comment number 15.

    Van Persie is a very good player. If as expected he leaves Arsenal in this transfer window then they will definitely miss a player of his quality.

    Having said that he is nearly 29 and has been injury prone in the past. If Arsenal get a decent offer for him they should probably cash in.

    Over the last few years Arsenal have consistently finish third or fourth in the league and with or without Van Persie I can't see that changing next season.

  • Comment number 16.

    I agree with 11 & 13. To lose Bergkamp, Henry and Fabregas looked daunting, but the team (and Wenger) moved on. The same will happen here, they just need to make sure they get as much money for him as possible and spend it all (and hopefully more) on the squad.

    On a side note, I cannot stand journalists spouting unfounded doom & gloom.

  • Comment number 17.

    After the prevarication this is not a surprise.
    RvP has had the support of the club through difficult (injury wise) times but has at least stayed with AFC for 8 years and we all know his contribution last season.
    His comments may be seen as worrying from an AFC supporters point of view but we don't know what his objections are - spending ? AFC have spent this season and are still active. Maybe he doesn't agree with whatever the plans are and this is a genuine justification for his departure or is it a smoke screen for a financial driven move.
    Seems to me if everyone who left recently to "win trophies" had stayed we may had won some ourselves.

    My view is we must sell him now and do everything we can to :
    a) Re-invest the income in the squad
    b)Try to ensure no one else follows suit (e.g. Vermaelen)
    c) Make sure we win some trophies in the coming years
    and rub the leavers noses in it

  • Comment number 18.

    To Phil...just to answer this one as I do find it slightly puzzling. "anti-Arsenal...anti-Wenger..." Really?

    I quote

    "Wenger might just have expected his treatment from Van Persie to be a little more sympathetic, at least publicly. He showed commendable support for Van Persie throughout so many injury-troubled early years at the club and ultimately made him captain.

    "He may have been peerless in recent times but Arsenal’s fans have a case when they state it has not always been like that.

    "Van Persie was well within his rights to state he was not going to agree a new deal but the embellishment of his statement with a carefully aimed shot at the club’s hierarchy could be deemed as unnecessary."

    So Arsenal fans? How big a blow is this? Should Arsenal sell now? Can they seriously expect Van Persie to stay after his statement? And should they actually want him to?

    Let me know your thoughts. Interested as always.

  • Comment number 19.

    Good article, other than this: "He left little or no room for manoeuvre as he displayed an obvious lack of faith in Arsenal to take him where he wishes to go and win the trophies that have eluded the Gunners since 2006."

    Hopefully I won't need to point out to anyone the shocking error at the end of this sentence. You're a professional journalist, Phil, you shouldn't be making mistakes like that.

  • Comment number 20.

    yes exsactly life goes on or dog barks and caravan goes

  • Comment number 21.

    I love the way that when it looks like Robin Van Persie is leaving Arsenal, all these people come on here and go "Oh, he's overrated" and "not as good as he thinks he is" and "moody and inconsistent, he won't be a loss to Arsenal" etc

    All based on 3 games at the Euros? He wasn't the only big name to disappoint, by a long way.

    Last season he was the best striker in the Premiership and his goals carried Arsenal. If you don't believe that and are now trying to rewrite history then you are either absolutely blinkered or don't know the first thing about football. He is a fantastic player. There's no way Arsenal can keep losing players of his calibre and still challenge for trophies.

    Some people suggesting Van Persie is not as good as he thinks he is. I would suggest the reverse: Arsenal are simply not as a big, successful and as attractive a club as people think they are.

  • Comment number 22.

    Spot on 13 - he clearly wants to go and go now, so by saying that the board lack ambition, he's effectively put himself out of contention for ever playing for Arsenal again.

    A sad day, but you can't help but think that he's got a point - why would you want to play in a team that realistically has no chance of beating the other much bigger spending clubs.

    Arsenal have invested their future into their stadium as opposed to new players who come and go - not necessarily a bad thing, but just means that success will take longer to arrive back at the club.

    You do wonder, though, whether Arsenal will ever have another captain in the mould of Adams who finish their career with the club - I suspect not for the foreseeable future, but hope that I'm wrong.

  • Comment number 23.

    All this talk of the stab in the back as a player leaves a club is not new and I don't think that people should really read much into it. After all, RvP is a Footballer. In the real world, people generally understand how to communicate effectively and when not to say the wrong things. footballers don't have the intelligence to do this. Like all players that have reached this high level, education and mental development has taken a back seat from a very early age.

    It's not his fault, he was probably told to say these things by his agent.

    and anyway, it's his job, people move jobs all the time for more money. life goes on.

  • Comment number 24.

    Arsenal would be suicidal to sell him to another premier club, Real, PSG or Milan can afford and supply a trophy to this Mercenary. Lets face it $130,000 a week for a teams star player compared to $200,000 plus to play in a team of stars. What would you do? Loyalty does come at a price.

  • Comment number 25.

    There's no malice, no slight in this development. Everyone agreed before the Euros to discuss the future of RVP later, and during those early discussions it must have been clear that he was going to leave. It was class all-round to wait.
    Wenger has signed two good replacements. They will provide the goals he scored.

    He wants to win trophies, and he probably wants higher wages. he might get that at one of the 'sugar-daddy' clubs, but he also might spend more time on the bench or in a minor role. That's his choice.

    Sad to see him go but I doubt if he can replicate his recent form at any other club.

  • Comment number 26.

    "unfortunately in this meeting it has again become clear to me that we in many aspects disagree on the way Arsenal FC should move forward"

    Since when did RVP become a business man who has responsibility for running a company in a responsible way so that it does not go the way of Portsmouth, Glasgow Rangers, Man U and many other football clubs in and out of the UK. Whilst winning trophies is what all players aspire to do, the reality is there can only be one champion in the league and in the various cups. Those with 'deeper' pockets can attempt to buy success, but as we have seen there is no guarantee of this.

    I for one admire what Arsenal have achieved and the way they have gone about doing it and as long as they continue with their philosphy and continue playing the same style of football they will always be in with a chance of winning the league - even if it is 1 in 20 chance.

    So good bye Van Persie, take your loyalty else where. Your memory of the support you have had at Arsenal seems very short and remember this - few players leave Arsenal and perform to the same level again!

  • Comment number 27.

    Arsenal hopefully will not make the mistake they have made so often in recent years and try to keep a player who is past their best. Did we really get the best or any where near it for Vierra, Henry or Fabergas in their last year. Lets sell RVP now get some cash wish him all the best and hope we can win something this year with players who want to be at the club. We also need to clear out a lot of players who are not quite good enough. If he goes to City lets insist on a swap for De Jong, Johnson (A) or Richards

  • Comment number 28.

    Dear Phil Mc Nulty - I think people mean the following

    He brutally put Arsenal’s aspirations into sharp focus and renewed the worries of supporters who fear they are falling behind the elite after watching Samir Nasri secure a Premier League winners’ medal after his move to Manchester City last summer, when they also saw Cesc Fabregas finally return to Barcelona.
    ASPIRATIONS? - STATED TO WIN PREMIERSHIP

    Arsenal and Wenger will be desperately disappointed with Van Persie’s statement as it merely adds to the suggestion that they have been cut adrift from the real superpowers, company which they occupied comfortably for so long.
    CUT ADRIFT ?- 3rd AFTER AN APPAULING INJURY CRISIS & QUALIFYING FOR 2nd STAGE OF CHAMPS LEAGUE ONLY WITH CHELSEA

    If Van Persie goes this summer, as he surely will, another of their crown jewels has disappeared and it is hard to see how Wenger – who in recent years has not quite been the alchemist he once was – can compensate for his absence.
    ALCHEMIST ? - WENGER DID A REMARKABLE JOB AFTER THE START TO THE SEASON AFC HAD

    Wenger has faced many challenges in the recent barren years as top players have left, often despite his claims they were staying until virtually the moment they went through the door, but he will have faced few bigger than this one.

    Arsenal have had enough trouble winning trophies even with Van Persie’s magical flourishes, to try and do so without them is quite a task even for Wenger’s powers of management and motivation.

  • Comment number 29.

    Here we go again......Another blog about looming crisis.

    "If Van Persie goes this summer, as he surely will, another of their crown jewels has disappeared and it is hard to see how Wenger – who in recent years has not quite been the alchemist he once was – can compensate for his absence."

    Exactly the way Arsenal finished 3rd last season with a point more than in the season Cesc, Nasir and Wilshere played. You wrote so many blogs last season about the crisis Arsenal faced after they lost Cesc and Nasir. How many did you write to praise Wenger for lifting his players to achieve a point and a position better despite the loss.

    You state it is hard to see how he can compensate for Van Persie leaving, well he will do exactly the same way he did last season.

    I doubt if you predicted Arsenal finishing 3rd last season.

  • Comment number 30.

    Premier League could also be losing another great striker, as if RVP goes, most likely Real Madrid,AC MILAN, Juventus, PSG or Man City will be in for a great shout to sign him, great player but the BIGGEST NEWSSSSSSSSS

    HESKEY COULD BE GOING HULL CITY (transfer speculation of the beginning for the season soo far)

  • Comment number 31.

    To quote the late, great philosopher (Tupac): '... and life goes on'.

  • Comment number 32.

    Like I said before, 8 years at one club is a long time, especially if you don't win anything. Best thing for RVP, maybe best thing for Arsenal. You need hungry players, not uncommitted selfish ones. Look forward not backwards. Arsenal to finish 6th this year and maybe win the FA Cup.

  • Comment number 33.

    Again I say there is no slight in RVP's statement.
    "Out of my huge respect for Mr Wenger, the players and the fans I don't want to go into any details, but unfortunately in this meeting it has again become clear to me that we in many aspects disagree on the way Arsenal FC should move forward."

    What he means is that Arsenal do not want to spend exorbitant money on superstars and are, as they have been in the past, quite happy o qualify for Champions League with an understrength squad. Nicely third last season after losing 3 of their best 5 players, injury crisis, 'rock-bottom' form, but 50 mill pound profit and a spanking new stadium.
    That's Arsenal philosophy and van Persie is no longer part of it. Now we move on. No problem.

  • Comment number 34.

    And we must get good cash for him.

  • Comment number 35.

    Absolutely no sympathy for Arsenal whatsoever. Time and again they prove themselves to be a club devoid of ambition, a potentially huge club but with a small club mentality. You can't blame Van Persie for wanting to leave, the penny has dropped with him like it did with Vieira, Petit, Overmars, Henry, Fabregas.....the list goes on. If you are a top class, elite level player you soon come to realise that Arsenal are basically a glorified feeder club for the true European giants, and a club at which you can never fulfil your ambition of winning trophies.

    Until Arsenal attract serious investment, and dispose of a manager who fell behind the times a long time ago, then they will continue to stagnate.

  • Comment number 36.

    One thing that makes me laugh is when a player states that they want to leave a club they always come out with some nonsense like "the club doesn't match my ambition" or "we disagree on the way the club should move forward".

    Why can't they just be honest and say I want to have a realistic chance of winning a trophy or I want more money?

  • Comment number 37.

    Wenger did not buy Giroud and Podolsky to convince RVP of his "ambition." He bought them in anticipation of RVP's departure. Let's wait a year or two to assess how serious this is. RVP is 29, he has a propensity to get hurt, he was not effective at the end of the season and had a terrible Euro. Ten years ago, Wenger would have shown him the door to realize full value from him.

  • Comment number 38.

    YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! - sincerely, a Tottenham fan.

  • Comment number 39.

    RVP's statement has clearly been manafactured probably by an agent. It is the same dross that every player gives be it leaving or joining a new club. I just wish players would be honest. If he feels this is his last chance to win something, gain more money or fulfill an ambtion, such as playing with a certain player or club, then fine say that.

    He obviously believes he is a 'big' player capable of winning trophies by the statement. Is he though? He failed to win anything at Arsenal and he has to take some responsibility for that. For the Netherlands he has been very poor. He dosen't seem to have that mental edge for the big games which you need if you want to win trophies. He completely caved in during the Euro's and the dutch suffered because of this.

    A talent no doubt but this loss won't hurt as much as the loss of Fabregas. Players very rarely leave Arsenal for better with the exclusion of the Spaniard. Nasri had little involvement in City's league win. Yes he had quite a few games but he barely contributed in his performances. Selling RVP makes sense as Arsenal might as well get the money and you never know if last season was a one off. He could have another injury hit season next season.

    I would expect him to go abroad as City have Aguero, Dzeko, Tevez and Balotelli. Where does RVP fit? Maybe Spain or maybe Italy. My money would be on Juventus as I can't see him getting into the Barca or Real Madrid starting 11. Juve need a quality ST and RVP could be the awnser.

    People are saying Arsenal will go down hill but last season they lost two of their best players, had to do a rush job in the transfer market, had a injury hit season and yet still finished 3rd. Arsenal's midfield looks strong enough especially with Wilshere and Ramsey still developing. I would just like some steel in there maybe in the form of M'Vila just so they have the right balance of attack and defence. A commanding CB is needed still as well and I would love for them to break the bank for Hummels. They will need to get another ST now and where that comes from who knows. Maybe Wenger will find another gem.

  • Comment number 40.

    As an arsenal fan again I'm wishing another player good luck. Why would you not want to go and earn double the wages and have a very high chance of winning trophies which lets face it, it wont happen at arsenal. I have supported arsenal for 20 Years now and I have never had less expectation. I still wouldn't change Wenger though. Just think he needs some more money.

  • Comment number 41.

    If RVP scored 30 goals per season for the last 8 years, Arsenal would have won the league at least 3 times without buying any superstar play..

  • Comment number 42.

    The majority of players who left Arsenal for their own selfish reasons have gone backwards in their careers . Success at one club is no guarantee that it will be repeated at another which may may well play a different system .Let him go but NOT to another premier league team. If this means kicking his heels in the reserves for a year by which time he will be nearly 30 -so be it

  • Comment number 43.

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  • Comment number 44.

    Disappointing news for sure but NO player is bigger than the club. RVP needs to decide whether he wants to play football or whether he wants to run a club. Whether he disagrees with the strategy of the club or not it is silly to think or suggest (as many media do) that Arsenal don't want to win trophies. Of course they do! They just don't want to do it and risk going bust at the same time! Always amazes me that so many people 'know' what is going on at Arsenal when they simply don't. I don't agree with everything the club does but I am a Gooner and will always support the club....and I have supported the club through many lean years - the current squad is not the best we've had but it's far better still than many I've supported in the past. As I say NO player bigger than the club.

  • Comment number 45.

    Makes me laugh.... Arsenal are crap, have bought two second rate foreign strikers and will lose van persil on the cheap. Wenger should have been fired a year ago. Only cos chelski were rubbish and spurs bottled it they finished third. Manc clubs battling it out again with prob city romping it by 10 points in the end, utd second another 15 clear of chelski.
    Wiltshire this and that.... Too injury prone. Team on decline and mid season only.

  • Comment number 46.

    as a spurs fan but more importantly as a football fan i am sad that again a player who owed a lot to his manager has chosen to act in such a selfish and unnecessarily negative manner. he has shown no respect to his club or manager.

  • Comment number 47.

    "Anti Arsenal, Anti Wenger" ??? I thought this a well balanced article and isn't the idea of a blog to generate discussion?

    The players signed since Mr Dein departed are not of the same calibre as those they replaced and there are too many (Squilaci, Chamakh, Arshavin, Fabianski, Mertesaker) that just aren't up to scratch but are still on the payroll!

    Last season RVP goals masked a number of issues - Liverpool hammered you for 85 minutes and lost to a sucker punch at the end. Norwich scored 3 goals at the Emirates!

    Agree that the club is bigger and will go on, but it will struggle to improve if great players are replaced by average ones. Giroud has only had one good season in France (with quite a low conversion shot/goal ratio!) and Podolski hardly set the Euros alight, they might turn out to be good buys, but I doubt they will be instant hits required to maintain or improve Arsenals position.

    overall though it is good to be announced today as it has deflected from what is happening up the other end of the Seven Sisters Road and you have something to rant about rather than worrying about what we are up to!!!!

  • Comment number 48.

    @ 39 EddieHoweforEngland

    You make a very good point about the players Arsenal have sold in recent years. Fabregas was a brilliant player for Arsenal and as he has shown recently in Euro 2012 that he is a real asset to any team. The other players that have left in recent years have either been near the end of their career e.g. Henry or not actually that good e.g. Nasri and Adebayor. Van Persie would be similar to Henry (although not quite as good).

    Arsenal would need to worry if talented players such as Wilshere wanted to leave the club but I think Wenger is very good at managing the younger players.

  • Comment number 49.

    I figure that, van Persie realized no offers were coming through so now he says this and not only guarantees a reduction of his price ( so we don't lose him for nothing next year ) but he screws everyone's morale.

    Another disappointing player leaving Arsenal with no integrity whatsoever. The list is getting big now. I feel for Wenger, but his mistake is that he keeps trusting mercenary idiots that once they come good, is bye bye.

    Good riddance.

  • Comment number 50.

    have just heard news online, very disappointed as Arsenal fan for 41 years, but not really surprised. RVP had a fantastic season, without him we wouldn't have got 3rd, let's be honest after the start we had.
    Thought this was on the cards after the look on his face following the 8-2 at OT, then said he would review future at the end of the season. Thought at least he may stay if we got CL football, but no.
    Wish him well, but how many - apart from Cesc- have really improved after Arsenal? Henry's best years were with us, same with Vieira. And i see an earlier post cites Petit and Overmars! great players, but AW got £30m and how often did they play at Barca? Petit was back in London within 12 months.
    Only disappointment is the loyalty AFC showed when RVP was injured a lot between 05-08, thought that might sway his decision.
    Great player, at his peak a privilege to see him play last season. Will bet a tenner that wherever he is next year he doesn't score 20 goals, let alone 35

  • Comment number 51.

    "[Wenger] who in recent years has not quite been the alchemist he once was "
    Excuse me? Has it not become clear to you that money talks? That Arsenal can no longer compete, not because of the downfall of a coach, but because Arsenal has refused to be taken over by some oil-magnate (or similar) that would dole out these ridiculous amounts of cash and go an limitless shopping spree? Look at the team's budgets. That's the difference. The ONLY difference. Ask yourself: what are the budgets of Real, Barca, Chelsea and City ? Why have the two latter clubs recently emerged as top contenders, thus overtaking former top-clubs such as Arsenal?
    Wenger is a genius. But money unfortunately trumps genius (and integrity, but that was obvious).

  • Comment number 52.

    A lot of people are talking and saying that rvp should repay the loyalty shown to him by Wenger and Arsenal as a whole during all his injuries and the rape allegation, but we seem to forget that at the end of the day he is a footballer, a glorified mercenary who like all footballers doesn't know the meaning of the word loyalty, he only cares about his bank account and nothing else period.

    and another thing any club who want to sign rvp should only offer him a pay for play contract cause who knows how long he lasts before the next injury

  • Comment number 53.

    @ #8
    It is important for Arsenal to:
    A - Get a good transfer fee
    B - Make sure it is re-invested in the squad.

    point B, therein lies the problem. Arsenal now exists solely to turn a profit for the shareholders. The money will be part re-invested on some decent players, but not the type of players that will ever lead us to a title, Mr W has shown that he's not into spending the money he gets from selling players... and even if Arsenal slips up, there is no way Wenger would go (I don't want him to), he makes a fortune for the board, and we don't have true fans on the board, just people trying to turn a profit... but we have a good solid fan base and we're always profitable. If we can live with this as our bragging rights then happy days.

  • Comment number 54.

    As a real Arsenal fan I am not going to say I am delighted about this at all but it is not going to be as bad as people think mark my words.

    RVP was awesome last year when we needed him however in he 8 years he has been at the club he has only managed a full season 3 times, 2 of them mostly as a sub. Like wise this is the only season he has ever scored more than 20 leagues goals. So it is not as if we are losing Henry here who averaged 40 games a season and only 3 times scored less than 20 league goals. 2 years ago had Arsenal been offered 20m for him we would have bit someone's hand off.

    We have to consider that had he signed a new deal we would have been committing £32m to keep one player that would have no resale value, instead we are likely to bring in the money it cost for Giroud and Podolski probably at no higher wage cost. No one can tell me that this is not a better bet for the club. I believe that the club will invest further giving a stronger squad less reliant on one player.

    As for Robin good luck to him however I don't think he will thrive somewhere else unless it is Barca as he has done so well because of the way Arsenal are set up, this is proven Adebayor was a 30 goal a year stricker his best season after that last year 18, even Henry never got 20 league goals again after Arsenal. The Euros should have been an eye opener for him, he went in to a tournament with a team of great individuals and he did not get the service he wanted and therefore did not score goals, Podolski played on the left wing and scored just as many goals. Robin is a player that needs games to keep his form as demonstrated in the last two seasons the only clubs that will give him a stronger guarantee of trophies in the two big leagues (PL and La Liga) all have several great strikers with the exception of Man U or Chelsea, he won't displace Messi, Sanchez, Villa, Ronaldo, Benzema, Higauin. So only England are City going to have Adebayor, Tevez, Augero, Balotelli, Dzeko and RVP, that's £1m a week in wages? That leaves Chelsea or Utd, Chelsea style certainly does not fit his play so really only Man U, who won nothing last year either, alternatively a lower rate league. No disrespect to Serie A but if Arsenal played in hat League I fancy we would probably win it yet we where 18pts behind in the PL.

  • Comment number 55.

    Once again Wenger is showing a lamentable business sense when dealing with valuable players. He should have sorted this out last year, when there were still two years on the contract and if Van Persie didn't like where the club was going, then Wenger should have sold him. Now there is only a year left and Arsenal are going to get a good deal less for him. Players can't dictate terms to clubs, no matter how good they are, so best if he leaves now.

  • Comment number 56.

    48.At 22:57 4th Jul 2012, BaggiosPonytail wrote:
    Arsenal would need to worry if talented players such as Wilshere wanted to leave the club but I think Wenger is very good at managing the younger players.
    _______________________________________

    As he is flavour of the month at the moment , even though he is injured I would guess Wilshere´s agent will ask for a huge payrise on his next contract negotiation.

    If Arsenal do not cough up he will be off as well.

  • Comment number 57.

    I may as well contribute.

  • Comment number 58.

    "The other dilemma for Arsenal is whether they can seriously take a stand and keep a player who has expressed such public dissatisfaction."

    Don't be daft Phil. Players and clubs fall out all the time and then make it up. Witness Carlos Tevez, Wayne Rooney, Grant Holt, the list goes on and on.

    At the end of a day it's a job for all involved, putting food on the table for the kids. If Arsenal and Van Persie have an inclination to make it up, and they work at it, then they can with a bit of luck. Footballers are not some mystical creatures, they are blokes who go to work like the rest of us. People are always falling out with the employers and bosses and a few weeks later things are back to normal or have changed in a way that allows a relationship to continue. Van Persie may leave Arsenal or he may not but don't give us this guff about whether Arsenal can take 'such public dissatisfaction' or not. They are a mature club and business, not a baby with a bunch of toys in a pram. Treat your readers as if they have more than two brain cells in their heads please Phil.

  • Comment number 59.

    I think that Giroud and Podolski (despite what that clown Cascarino said in the Times. Why is he still employed?) are quality signings. I reckon Arsene has done a nice bit of business, especially with Giroud. I'm looking forward to watching them next season. Arsenal over the last few seasons always seem to have a really low point in the league campaign. Cut this out and win/draw dirty and they will be challenging right till the end.

  • Comment number 60.

    Isn't it abput time Arsenal's board came out and confirmed that they are not focused on winning trophies and rewarding fans for their committment. Its all about balance sheets and not glory. How does Wenger front this?

  • Comment number 61.

    very odd indeed.

    If any of you bother to read RVP statement, he mentions, another meeting is scheduled in 2 weeks time to discuss " terms and conditions "

    the question that should be asked is how it is he and he alone was allegedly invited to a meeting with Wenger and Ga where upon only he is to be informed of " Arsenals ambitions " and having heard them, deems them not good enough for him ?

    I would have thought the " team " as a whole would have been informed of arsenals ambitions, not RVP on his own.

    I think there is a lot of bullchite attached to RVP's statement.

    If however it proves to be correct the solution to this problem is very simple,

    simply let him rot on the bench ! make a stand, forget his alleged worth.

    I am afraid one good season in an Arsenal shirt proves doodly squat.

    R.I.P Mr Van Persie.

  • Comment number 62.

    Disaster....no, not at all. We have the makings of a great team at last, with the Ox, Pod and Giroud, also with Jack coming back. As these journalists should know, the Arsenal is being run how a business should be run, City is not, just look at the big picture, they are being told by FIFA they cannot carry on as they are but they still do. We don't compete with these riduculous payments because we can't and if we did would be 500mill in debt like City. Footballs changed since the 80s and unfortunately it sells more papers than it did.

    RVP leaving....meh! who cares...the clubs still there and still will be, we'll get trophies with patience....and doing it the right way.

  • Comment number 63.

    Unfortunately I don't think RvP is as good as Thierry Henri nor as important as Patrick Viera. Arsenal have lost better players and still managed to stay in the top 4.

  • Comment number 64.

    I just wish Wenger would have the bottle to admit players are going instead of steadfast denial and patronising our intelligence. It seems his total blind faith that they won't leave 'him' is in vast contrast to reality. Players want to win trophies & medal (like everyone) to prove they've done something but the boards desire is about making money & paying of debts (stadium,loans) but without trophies no decent player wants to come to you, you continue missing out on money from competitions so your revenue income goes down (not including loss of supporters) & your debts start to increase ... catch 22

  • Comment number 65.

    This time last year, Mr Van Persie was an injury prone player, yes he's had a great season, but great players are marked on their preformance season after season. Players come and go and that will always be the case, but loyalty is something NO club can buy!!!! As an Arsenal fan, I'm disapointed, but the club will always be bigger than any player and no amount of money should ever change that. Players come and players go, that's football, chasing the golden goose!!!! LONG LIVE THE CLUB, not the players!!!!!

  • Comment number 66.

    Well, i have to say i am so annoyed at RVP. He has always been a favourite of mine and the clubs loyalty did not deserve a kick in the teeth like this. Fine, if you want to leave then do so but there was no need for his dig at the board. It won't help us sign new players and means that every club will smell blood and get him for 10m or so. Arsenal should sell him and use the money plus more to buy Lorente for 28m. Good bye RVP, you should go now................

  • Comment number 67.

    wenger had the chance to build the best team in europe, instead he chose to impress the shareholders, should have spent big to build the fabregas etc team, not sell them out, man city have been very shrewed, destroying their main opponent for the top four and enhancing their own at the same time, very shrewd for man city, very stupid for arsenal.

  • Comment number 68.

    I have been a big fan of RVP - I do however think its time that players who want to leave are forced to finish their contract. RVP will be nearly 30 when his contract expires - who will pay 130,000 a week then! So Arsenal show some mettle and force him to stay!

  • Comment number 69.

    55.
    At 23:08 4th Jul 2012, brazilwatcher wrote:


    Once again Wenger is showing a lamentable business sense
    __________________________________

    One thing you can't say about Wenger is that he has "lamentable business sense". He generally makes good money on the players he sells.

    e.g. he made a good profit selling Adebayor, Nasri etc. He almost certainly will with Van Persie as well.

  • Comment number 70.

    The knee jerk response from Arsenal fans is incredible. Can you really blame Van Persie? At 29 he hasn't got that many years left to win cups. Given the choice, I believe he would want nothing more than to stay at Arsenal. Problem is that unless there's a real change, more money placed on the table and some serious talent being brought to the club we can forget winning anything. A top four place is the very best we can expect for next season - and even that won't be easy.

    So blame the club or Wenger for not fulfilling talented world class players desire to win cups. Not the players.

  • Comment number 71.

    perhaps it was Wenger and ga informed RVP that he no longer featured on the To Do List, or at most told, due to the recent signings would not feature as much as before
    take it or leave it as it were.

  • Comment number 72.

    It amazes me that people are saying he's a flat track bully when he has scored on many occasiosn against our biggest rivals or the hardest teams in the league. Not only last season but in seasons before that. Of course going by the european campaigns last season it can be said the league is weaker but i think that is due to many attacking talents leaving rather than just defenses getting weaker.

    Im sad to see him go and am a little disgusted the way he's implicated the other players quality in his statement. Awful show of captaincy and loyalty to his manager, coaches and above all teammates. He has to be sold now and im sure he was advised to discredit the team as now we have to sell him and he gets his loyalty bonus. Much like fabregas and nasri before him if they really cared about the club they shouldve handed in transfer requests and let it be known their intentions. At least now we have more time and i think arsene has already started to plan by signing two new strikers. Talk of playing them as a front three was tosh.

    Van persie probably wouldve stayed another year if asked and im sure the club wouldve bought into seeing how things go next season but we cant now. Not after this statement. The other players wil be angry. It is not like the rooney situation as united were always gonna challenge. We havent won a thing for seven years and not looked like winning a title for 4.

    I dont buy into the usual doom and gloom as phil and fellow english journalists always paint when a big player leaves a big english club. Phil states that arsene hasnt worked as much magic in recent times when big players have left. I disagree, last season we were supposedly not good enough for the top 6. He got us 3rd (yes i know RVP was a big part in that), with more points and a higher finish than the season before. If other managers had been in control RVP wouldnt have been in the squad as he wouldve been sold in 2010 after yet another injury hit season.

    We've usually had players within the squad to replace those that have left. Now we will require podolski and giroud to settle quickly. I think we need another striker anyway as park, chamakh and bendter are all on their way out. Maybe promoting theo or ryo myicahi could be an idea.

  • Comment number 73.

    As gooners, we really shouldn't get too dishearten about these kind of situations. We've seen it all happen before and it seems to always be the Foreign players. I don't remember any English player leaving Arsenal. Most of the English players we had played out their playing days at the club. One of the only foreign play I can think of that finished his career at Arsenal is Mr. Berkamp. Respect!!
    The other 2 that looks like they are going to finish off their careers at the club are T. Rosiky and Arteta.
    I'm no footballing, manager genius but why doesn't Wenger just buy decent English players and develop them into fantastic ones which is what he's good at. They too expensive?? BS ! it's an investment! They cost £15M at 22 years of ages, who cares, at least you know their going to be staying for a long time! let me give you a quick prediction of the future... as soon as all these new boys step their game up and get interest from the Cities, Chelskis and the Man Utds, they are all going to leave for either success or money. We need to concentrate on winning Trophies, we are behind and will fall even more behind if we don't build with the right materials!!

  • Comment number 74.

    As mentioned it's one player, not a big deal for a team like Arsenal. I think the author should be giving Mr Wenger some credit, he's just signed Podolski and Olivier, two attackers. Was RVP feeling nervous? He will be 29 in 4 weeks, the same age as Henry and Vieira when they left. I don't recall Mr Mcnutley making a big fuss about their departures.

  • Comment number 75.

    Arsenal is a couple of players away from being a Champion team.It is good that a discontented RVP leaves now.With two months to go for EPL,cash in on him and get a top mid-fielder and a defender or defensive midfielder.
    Viva Arsenal!!

  • Comment number 76.

    56.
    At 23:09 4th Jul 2012, repo wrote:


    48.At 22:57 4th Jul 2012, BaggiosPonytail wrote:
    Arsenal would need to worry if talented players such as Wilshere wanted to leave the club but I think Wenger is very good at managing the younger players.
    _______________________________________

    As he is flavour of the month at the moment , even though he is injured I would guess Wilshere´s agent will ask for a huge payrise on his next contract negotiation.

    If Arsenal do not cough up he will be off as well.
    _____________________________________

    That seems to be the way with all players now.

    The point I was making is that if a player like Wilshere decides to leave Wenger will find it much more difficult to explain it.

    Unfortunately for Arsenal at the moment if a player has a really good season for them they seem to want to leave the club. As Arsenal are unlikely to be genuine contenders for the title in the next few years I suspect this will continue.

  • Comment number 77.

    57.
    At 23:10 4th Jul 2012, HAHA CharadeYouAre wrote:


    I may as well contribute.
    _____________________________

    As insightful as ever...

  • Comment number 78.

    As several have pointed out, are we totally sure that this isn't just a negotiating ploy? Look at Rooney, Holt, etc.

    Arsenal don't need to sell him, they can afford to wait. As an Arsenal fan, I've loved the quality of his goals, but how many seasons has he done this? 1 in 8. So, is he likely to do so again? Given his form in the Euros (in fact since February) i doubt whether he will do the same next year. So, next summer, 30 years old, 20 goals a season, he won't be such a hot property, and might be glad of the contract Arsenal offer him. Keep him to the end of the year. If he's desperate to go, he might have scored his 20 by then. He can't afford to sit on the bench and not play as time is running out. I'd rather run the risk of losing £15m on the deal, then sell him this summer. Call his bluff.

    Wenger isn't stupid. He's already bought in cover to pressure him. A couple of strong midfielders, Vertonghen from under Spurs' noses, and i think RVP will end up staying. We just need to get those extra players in.

  • Comment number 79.

    Over the trophy less stretch of the recent years, has Van Persie done enough to actually win trophies? Except from last season, I don't think many arsenal fans will agree he has, so why does he feel he is being let down by the rest of the players at Arsenal? RVP it seems must learn you have to earn trophies, not just rely on your team to earn them for you

  • Comment number 80.

    @21 couldn't agree more with you.

    It seems a number of fans have short memories. Were it not for van Persie, we would have struggled to make it into the Europa League let alone the Champion's League. Fact is that Arsenal have lost sight of what it takes to win. Yes I appreciate the stadium has to be paid for but we seem to be growing a large cash surplus on our balance sheet for no seeming purpose since investment has not essentially been forthcoming and only invoked when as last summer, panic sets in. Had we made the necessary investment over recent years perhaps van Persie might have been convinced to stay. Instead by the stewardship of our CEO, we hold onto the goal of his sustainable model and invest in bricks and mortar while forgetting that there is another monument as worthy of pursuit or perhaps more since this club after all is a sporting entity. I mean trophies of course and while our focus has shifted so too will the power in the game shift. If you continuously lose your key players, your key to winning ways is lost too and I say this as an Arsenal supporter of 34 years.

  • Comment number 81.

    Arsenal has some leverage. No player with van persie's injury history should be comfortable playing out a year ( at 29!) with no long term contract safety net.

    I say make him do it. If his heart isn't in it, then good luck to him getting that big payday at almost 30.

    It's time arsenal sent the message that players are worth more on the field. If that isn't true, the board should sell shares and start a bank.

  • Comment number 82.

    wake up EVERYONE !

    he's not gone YET

    and there is another meeting scheduled for two weeks time should be interesting :)

    should this second meeting go ahead I am sure that he will be in no doubt

    NO PLAYER IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB

    I do not see where RVP can say Arsenals " ambitions " are not good enough if that were the case, there would be a mass exodus, as it is Wenger it seems might at last be having a mass clear out on his terms :)

    One this issue I am more than prepared to give Wenger and the board the benefit of the doubt, I also think there will be a surprise or two in the transfer window, i expect two more to be joining.

    if RVP has said those things as reported, its a very sad day and is not the correct way to repay
    the Club, its Supporters, Manager etc for the faith they placed in him.

  • Comment number 83.

    After all the faith Wenger gave RVP after all his injury worries and also giving him the captaincy, its very said to see RVP throw it all back in Wengers face by wanting to leave. Owell no player is bigger than the club

  • Comment number 84.

    ParisSixtyEight (Post 70)

    I dont blame him for leaving. He's been at the club eight seasons and won one cup. That was when we had alot of the invincibles on the playing staff. I honestly thought he'd leave or at the least be willing to see out the contract and see how things were next season*. But he cant now stay and by sullying the clubs image and more importantly implicating the teams quality that is why many are rightly angry. He's right, we arent ambitious enough but we dont know what our transfer targets are and what his expectations for a playing squad are.

    *there was a rare chance of this happening as if he had another injury hit season whose to say we'd sign him up again at 30, not least other clubs not going for a 30 year old after another injury plagued season or if he was poor. So it'd been of his best intrest to sign a three/four year contract at some club as then he's insured til hes 32/33.

  • Comment number 85.

    The statement was really disappointing as it is designed to hurt the club as much as possible, he can try and pull the wool over the fans' eyes as much as he wants but at the end of the day he has shown they mean nothing to him by placing himself amongst the ranks of the world's oldest profession.

    Most people will point to the fact he'll move to a team more likely to win trophies as justification and cry that loyalty in football is dead and he should have been on much more at Arsenal, but at the end of the day given his injury record he's probably collected far more than he deserves to have from the club. Had the bloke actually been fit we might well have won the league in 2008 and who knows what. Would City or any of the clubs he's considering moving to have stuck with him through his attachment to the treatment table? No, he'd probably be playing for a Europa League side in a weaker continental league if he'd have signed for Barca in 2004. By playing on the fans' existing disgruntlement he's trying to mask the fact he's desperately trying to manufacture a £10m move somewhere.

  • Comment number 86.

    while i'm disappointed with the manner of Van Persie's announcement there are equally good alternatives out there such as his fellow countryman Klass-Jan Huntelaar who is younger and has a better goal ratio than RVP and would be relatively cheap (around 15 million). Combine that with the excellent Podolski and Giroud, emergence of Oxlade-Chamberlain, return of Wilshire and Walcott and Rosicky finally finding their football boots and i wouldn't fancy being a defender next season!

  • Comment number 87.

    RVP is just another money grabber who slags of a team which have stood by him through the injury years, He says he,s leaving for trophies but it

  • Comment number 88.

    @85 Northbank

    welcome back to the Blogs, surprised not to have seen you during the Euros.

  • Comment number 89.

    Teams such as Man. City would have offloaded an injury prone player like Van Persie, in any one of the five seasons prior to 2011/12. He would have progressed career wise, through a series of increasingly less proficient clubs, on a rapidly diminishing salary.

    One can understand his desire for a big pay packet in the latter years of his career, whilst lamenting his apparent lack of loyalty to a club and manager, who have respected his footballing ability above and beyond more pragmatic concerns.

  • Comment number 90.

    Rot him on the bench for the final year of his contract. Now that he has said he wants to leave, watch the derisive offers come in for him. Juventus have already been touted as offering as little as 8 million pounds, if Man City offer the same I think it's worth sacrificing the 8 million transfer fee to make City wait. Then they can have an unfit RvP with no form to speak of.
    Surely it's all he deserves after all the faith Wenger put into him through all his injury crises and his personal problems. Anyone remember certain charges in Holland which saw RvP remanded in gaol???

  • Comment number 91.

    The quality of the journalism on the BBS sports site is getting worse every year. Case in point this article. Its just ponders to the sound bites and instant gratification written probably over a few minutes/beers versus a thorough analysis.

    The article should be exploring who are the players that will replace Van Persie and what options he has at his disposal versus pandering to the players ego/agent! How Wenger with the financial constraints create a team that has depth and competition betwen players to go back to challenging for the league.

    It says a lot about the player - After 8 years at the club did Van Persie just understood how Arsenal are structured/financial constraints - when he happens to have his best season and press profile increased ? Would he be saying the same things if he was injured or had scored less goals. You really don't want players like that hanging around causing further player. Look at Nasri - lack of judgement and demeanor at the Euro's - reminds me of Anelka v2.

    Although not a Arsenal fan - you have to applaud Wenger for consistently producing a team that finishes in the top 4 and qualifies for the Champions League.
    When you add that they have had star players consistently leave and continue to produce new ones that adds to his reputation. Although Wenger may be worried about losing a player who has scored so many goals - I doubt he won't be able to find a replacement or Giroud can't fill the hole left. The real problem for Arsenal fans is that they can't get a team together to challenge for the title/CL with this approach - it will happen more by luck than design.

  • Comment number 92.

    Van Persie speaks truth & in doing so has given a gift to Arsenal fans everywhere, how in the world is that 'stabbing the club & fans in the back' or whatever? He's not the first to say it, not by a long mile - there is something tragically wrong at Arsenal. Fans need to come together to force the issues out in the open. I'd appreciate it if Van Persie was more explicit & addressed the issue precisely, all this talk of not wanting to say any more out of respect is balony, you respect a situation & the people involved by telling the whole truth as you see it, thereby adding your best energy to the mix in the spirit of trying to make the situation better.

    Here's a list of names who have said something similar, should should ring alarm bells in every Arsenal fan, unless you're all asleep...

    Vieira, Henry, Cole, Toure, Fabregas, Nasri, Adebayor ?, & now Van Persie... and there are probably more I can't recall right now.

    We all know the problems with the team that are not addressed year after year. Seems like we're in for more of the same. I wonder what Giroud & Podolski make of this? It's way past time for a fan led revolt at Arsenal. Viva la Arsenal Révolution! ;)

  • Comment number 93.

    This is a nasty wheel that set in motion some time ago. Slowly but surely our lack of success and the money in the game has chipped away at our armour. Wenger bless him has fought an ever increasing uphill battle against egos, incompetence, money, board politics and Americans that don't understand the game. It's all assets and profit margins. People say the press are peddling doom that's because we are sailing desperately near to mediocrity. Rvp was the last truly World class player we own. Now we have to run to stand still and I need to set up the standing order to start paying back this season comings season ticket. Where does the rot stop. I feel for Arsene he pours his soul into every day with players that use lawyers to manoeuvre ways to exit contracts. He must wonder why he bothers!

  • Comment number 94.

    Does anyone seriously think Arsenal were shocked by the timing and content of RVP's statement - what utter rubbish. When are people going to start putting £130k a week into some kind of perspective. The whole thing is a charade with both parties trying to shore up their positions. If someone is going to pay him £200k per week he's just bound to say thanks I'm off. The winning trophies bit is a total red herring.

  • Comment number 95.

    Massive Shame about RVP.

    Why don't players want to stay and finish their careers at Arsenal anymore? Question is, does the club really want them to? I can clearly see the reason in having a player for 8 years, getting some good use out of them, then selling them on for 20Mil. But why cant we get them to commit until their 30, 32 etc? They could still get a pay off in Russia, China or the USA then? Is it money? or direction? Surely our direction is towards winning trophies? is'nt it?

    Unfortunately we've got into a bit of a habit of selling our key players: Big Pat, T Henry, Cashly, then Kolo, Ade, Nasri, Cesc etc. Since, we have'nt won anything. Basicly the bad run started when we sold Pat. And we've been selling since, and the bad run has continued.

    Fair play to Cesc at Barca, but hurts to see Nas winning throphies at Man C! I know theres more to it, but if RVP's going, he should go abroad. Not Man C! Not one of our closest rivals! If he goes there you cant help but think its just for the moneys!?! We beat them last season, and we can be as good as them, if only players stop jumping ship!

    Think of the team we could have, if we could just keep hold of our players!?!?! I'm a big fan of Wenger, and how the club is run, but WE HAVE TO KEEP HOLD OF OUT BEST PLAYERS!!! find a way!

    I think we might struggle a bit next season without RV. Yes we have two new strikers, both could do well, but both unproven in the Prem, and may take awhile to settle. With RVP and another tough Centre Mid player we might even challenge!

    Massive shame...

  • Comment number 96.

    One thing I don't get, and not sure this is the reason he may leave or not but it's kind of related to the subject...

    Why do players have such high wage demands? Surely if you've been earning £50k a week or more for the last 9 years or whatever, does it really matter if you don't earn an extra 30k a week for the next 5?

  • Comment number 97.

    I'm dissapionted in RVP.He could have shown more loyalty he has one great season what about all the other seasons when he's been injured.Cash in now should get at least 25m.He's not getting any younger.Saying that I would rather he stayed.........

  • Comment number 98.

    Phil:

    " The tone brooked no argument. Arsenal, it seems, no longer fit in with Van Persie's desire for success "

    there is another side to that coin

    RVP no longer features on Arsenal's TO DO LIST

    and has been told so :) :)

    8 years ? one good season, does not turn a Vulture into a Bird of Paradise.

  • Comment number 99.

    "Why do players have such high wage demands? Surely if you've been earning £50k a week or more for the last 9 years or whatever, does it really matter if you don't earn an extra 30k a week for the next 5?"

    Because the richer you get, the greedier you become.

  • Comment number 100.

    My biggest question is why we don't look at home for players. What is the score with all these French players??

    Let look at Norwich, swansea, Sunderland, Wigan even, there are some cracking English players that would jump at the opportunity to join Arsenal! It is because Wenger feels that English players lack discipline? that they like boozing? what is it? Like I said, so what if they come with a hefty price tag, it's worth the investment!

    The problem we have is if these Foreign players get too good they leave for money or trophies (Which is fair enough) if they are crap (Bentneder, chamak, Park etc) Then no one wants them.

 

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