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Ashley's short-term gamble

Phil McNulty | 14:06 GMT, Friday, 26 September 2008

Newcastle United's appointment of Joe Kinnear as interim manager is proof that owner Mike Ashley and his sidekick Dennis Wise will not be bowing to the mob - and that the club has unlimited powers to surprise.

"Cockney Mafia Out" has been one of the core themes from Newcastle protesters demanding the removal of men like Wise and Derek Llambias after Kevin Keegan's exit.

And despite an international career with the Republic of Ireland, Kinnear is very much regarded as an honorary southerner after a lengthy playing career at Spurs and a managerial reputation forged in the "Crazy Gang" hothouse of Wimbledon.

This means the arrival of the 61-year-old, who has been out of football since leaving Nottingham Forest in 2004, is hardly going to push the protesters from the gates of St James' Park.

It is a pick right out of left-field - and one that suggests the list of potential candidates Ashley and Wise were working their way through might have been as long as the Channel Tunnel.

After names such as Terry Venables, David O'Leary, Glenn Hoddle and Alan Curbishley were bandied about, the appointment of Kinnear will not be received with huge acclaim.

But in their current situation, beggars cannot be choosers and Newcastle have gone for a month of stability, and hopefully recovery, rather than let their season disintegrate further.

And having seen Kinnear at close quarters on many occasions in his managerial career, he is someone who will love the scrap he has got himself into at Newcastle, and will actually relish the idea of putting egg on potential critics' faces.

He will not be cowed by big names and big reputations, and will not allow anyone at Newcastle to wallow in self-pity.

Kinnear revelled in the "us against the world" environment of Wimbledon, but he is not remembered with great affection by Forest fans, who will be as stunned as the rest of us by Newcastle's latest move.

But are things at Newcastle now so bad that they have drafted in someone who has not worked in management for four years to steady the ship for a month?

It would seem they are.

Kinnear says he is excited by the challenge, and having seen him in action I believe him - but he has got a huge task to win over the hearts and minds of the Newcastle public, if only for a few weeks.

He has to turn around a team that is fragile, low on morale and a support that has started to do what few ever believed they would - vote with their feet.

Kinnear must also quickly re-acquaint himself with the modern game after years on the sidelines - Newcastle fans will be watching his every move and they are currently in unforgiving mood.

Will his methods work on superstars such as Michael Owen? Will some of Newcastle's newer faces have even heard of him?

These are the hurdles he must clear, but it would be unfair and unwise to simply write Kinnear off as a lost cause before he has seen a ball kicked in anger and he is only likely to be in place for a few weeks.

Football fans are notoriously fickle. If Kinnear applies a quick fix and Newcastle actually start winning football matches, fans will not care if he is from Mile End or Manhattan.

It is a short-term gamble of major proportions by Ashley and Wise - and it will need to pay off almost instantly if it not to be seen as another maverick move by an owner whose feel for football, and Newcastle in particular, is being seriously questioned.

Newcastle is a circus, a soap opera, a black comedy, a farce - but it is never dull.


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  • 1. At 2:39pm on 26 Sep 2008, Chizzle wrote:

    I still reckon it's not a real appointment, and some journalist just overheard Mike Ashley saying "It's a joke in 'ere"

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  • 2. At 2:58pm on 26 Sep 2008, backinwhite wrote:

    Being turned down by a series of "big name" managers and then having to resort to someone who's been out of the game for four years is exactly what happened with Keegan's appointment. It seems that this is Ashley's M.O.

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  • 3. At 3:04pm on 26 Sep 2008, ColinHarrogate wrote:

    Well, you have to say thanks to Newcastle United for providing top quality entertainment for us all throughout the entire month of September! What happens next is hard to say........

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  • 4. At 3:04pm on 26 Sep 2008, michaelspikef wrote:

    Some of the stuff being said about Joe is a disgrace, on the 606 forum. Give the guy a chance, he is tough as they come and will not give any excesses and will get the team some results. He had seven years at Wimbledon where everyone wrote us off and look how well we did. His heart attack really was the beginning of things to go wrong for us. He is a hero at Wimbledon. Hope he sorts Newcastle out and deserves the support of the fans. Best of luck Joe.

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  • 5. At 3:07pm on 26 Sep 2008, dudepod45 wrote:

    Joe Kinnear? You're having a laugh. Ha ha ha ha! He probably knows less about modern football than Keegan (and that's saying something: Keegan knows diddley squat) and I can just imagine the fans' reaction when Newcastle resort to Wombledon's route one style circa 1980s. I suppose we've now reached rock bottom so things can only get better. Where have I heard that before?!

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  • 6. At 3:09pm on 26 Sep 2008, hankshanklin wrote:

    Could have been a lot worse - he's a decent manager and i wish him the best - not bad for a short term solution, plus i'm happy to see him back in the game more than anything!

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  • 7. At 3:09pm on 26 Sep 2008, hazwoz wrote:

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  • 8. At 3:09pm on 26 Sep 2008, LeSauxsLeftFootedHandshake wrote:

    Baffling appointment. It really shows how bad things have got that nobody else wants to touch the club. Even Terry Venables turned them down, and he was part of the Leeds quagmire of a few years ago. I think, unless he didn't like their offer, the club have made a mistake in not picking up David O'Leary. Sure, it's been a couple of years, but he has a far better knowledge of the Premiership and is ambitious, something he picked up when serving under George Graham.

    I'm not going to state that I think Kinnear will fail and that Newcastle are doomed, because I don't know what will happen. I didn't have much faith in Roy Hodgson last season at Fulham and he turned them round. Still, the last thing Newcastle need is another calamity and this is starting to look alot like that. Hope I'm wrong.

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  • 9. At 3:11pm on 26 Sep 2008, AJB1971 wrote:

    I wasn't a Keegan fan and don't think Ashley is totally to blame in all of the fun and games to date. However, Joe Kinnear - that'll motivate the players!!!!! I don't want Keegan back but I don't want some tin pot manager!

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  • 10. At 3:12pm on 26 Sep 2008, Clarence Cash wrote:



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  • 11. At 3:14pm on 26 Sep 2008, The_Toonster wrote:

    It's not really a gamble of major proportions. Everyone agrees the current caretaker manager just is NOT up to the task and hasn't got a clue. To be honest... anything is an improvement! I'm not going to be expecting much from the new manager... if he can get us a couple of wins under our belt then excellent. However I doubt he'll be able to drag the team that's acting so lazy and pathetic right now, to do anything worthwhile.

    I'm just going to try and enjoy the ride as best I can while hoping and praying we can get out of the relegation zone sooner rather than later!

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  • 12. At 3:14pm on 26 Sep 2008, Jonno_79 wrote:

    #1 Oh dear. It is Friday afternoon though so I'll let you off!

    Newcastle United is not a circus or a soap opera, it is a very badly run organisation. I think the mags would be unstoppable, if they could only get started.

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  • 13. At 3:16pm on 26 Sep 2008, allejo wrote:

    Nice one Ashley, give 'em what they deserve!
    Great fans? No...Man U and Man C had higher average gates when they tumbled out of the top league.

    The crazy gang.
    Oh let's see Newcastle rebranded/become extinct

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  • 14. At 3:17pm on 26 Sep 2008, harrischopper wrote:

    C'mon, Toonies, you're nowhere near getting a full time manager and Hughton was going only one way and that wasn't up. So let the long ball king steady the ship. He'll play a big guy alongside Owen, Owen will score a hatfull and although it won't be pretty, you can enjoy the relative success of midtable before the next surprise comes knocking.
    I'll keep everything crossed for you

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  • 15. At 3:21pm on 26 Sep 2008, backinwhite wrote:

    9. "tin pot manager"

    That'll be the tin pot that they call the FA Cup, which I believe Joe Kinnear may have won more recently than Newcastle!

    7. Why is Denis Wise the "cancer of the club"? Newcastle was an appallingly run place long before he arrived. Bearing in mind he was recruited as Director of Football, what has he done that is so wrong? Apart from being an ex player that we all loved to hate. being short, cockney and having swivel eyes, what has he actually done that makes you all hate him? I'd be interested to know. (This from a Leeds fan who is by no means a fan of the man.)

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  • 16. At 3:21pm on 26 Sep 2008, Thanks A lot BBC7 wrote:

    There are a few people smiling about the overexpectant Newcastl crowd who are at odds with reality for decades.

    But even those people couldnt have imagined the variety of shambles going on at SJP.

    Newcastle United need to bring down their yearly Manager count to 3.

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  • 17. At 3:25pm on 26 Sep 2008, GuruBhoy wrote:

    Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    Joe Kinnear? Out of football for over 18 months and a disaster at Nottingham Forest?

    Mike Ashley must be really desparate to go to the back of the dole queue to pick up Roy/Joe Kinnear.

    You're havin' a laugh

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  • 18. At 3:28pm on 26 Sep 2008, Sneaky-Weasel wrote:

    I haven't laughed so much in years. This is more entertaining than a Geordie at a spelling bee!

    Maybe if the fans had a little more decorum and patience, and a lot more common sense they would give any new manager some time for them to settle down to the job, to suss things out and then buy and sell players as necessary. You are never going to win anything straight away - not any club!. Chelsea didn't after brammo bought them. It took a lot of money and a second manager before that happened.

    Newcastle have a hell of a long way to come to even stand a chance of winning trophies. Write this year off, the only thing you can hope for is to beat relegation. And lets face it, if you manage that you deserve to party!

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  • 19. At 3:28pm on 26 Sep 2008, Paulb55 wrote:

    Ah cant kwite sayit in Toon speak . . . . . howwz duz ya say "Karazy Gahang" . . . . oh dear oh dear . . . it's clueless Kinnear.

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  • 20. At 3:29pm on 26 Sep 2008, Barnsley_John wrote:

    "And Kinnear is fully aware - and comfortable with - the fact the role is temporary. "

    Haha and since when was the manager's job at Newcastle anything more than temporary.

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  • 21. At 3:29pm on 26 Sep 2008, Barnsley_John wrote:

    down to new lows for the toon

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  • 22. At 3:30pm on 26 Sep 2008, allejo wrote:


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  • 23. At 3:32pm on 26 Sep 2008, hazwoz wrote:


    He forced Keegan out of the club!!! And now he's recommending his old mates to take over (Venables/Kinnear). Then his signings have been average-to-rubbish bar Guttierez. It doesn't get more cancerous (in the footballing sense) than that.

    Also, Kinnear never won the FA cup as manager. If you're referring to his wimbledon days then that was 1988; JK took over in '92. So he is, in fact, a tin pot manager!!! He won it as a player (1967), 2 years before our last major trophy; so your argument completely falls apart.

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  • 24. At 3:33pm on 26 Sep 2008, william harper wrote:

    joe kinnear is as tough as old boots,an old school manager, wont take crap from any one however big their ego's. 'castles players might enjoy having a "gaffer" to relate to,at least they will have someone in charge who knows what he is talking about. a few old fashioned training methods could work wonders and perhaps take their minds off the farce that has developed over the last few weeks. give the guy a break ,slagging him off before he's even started,win of lose joe's teams always gave 100%.

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  • 25. At 3:35pm on 26 Sep 2008, trentend_FOGHORN wrote:

    Phil, forest fan here and you are right i am shocked. He was RUBBISH. we were badly exposed at set pieces no cohesion, no idea.

    Newcastle to be bottom by Christmas the new owners will have bottled it and i am sure Joe will get a warm welcome when he returns to the city ground next year with newcastle in the championship.

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  • 26. At 3:35pm on 26 Sep 2008, boomshakalak wrote:

    What is the matter with people?? - Kinnear was and still (probably) is a good manager.. he did an amzing job at Wimbledon and when he left there he was linked to be in contention for a number of supposedly big(ger) jobs... some of the comments on here show a complete lack of respect for a man who has achieved more in football than any of the people posting on here can dream about... and not only that who else in their right mind would take such a job.. even Venables who is looking to get back into the game turned it down... because the situation at NUFC is a joke.. not because of Ashley but because of the ridiculous expectations of fans of a football club that have not won anything since 1527 or whatever it is and who can't understand that Ashley has pumped loads of money into a white elephant of a club... and that whoever else comes in will almost certainly be worse!... after all ... who are these Nigerian investors anyway.. why are they suddenly going to restore the glory day (deliberately day not days) to a club that needs to just realise they are second rate?.. i don't mean that nastily - but they are clearly behind clubs such as Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool... I just get the feeling that Newcastle fans would rather finish 4th from bottom of the league with Keegan in charge than spend 5 moins in the real world thinking about what is actually going on in the game!... NUFC just make the rest of the football world laugh...

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  • 27. At 3:35pm on 26 Sep 2008, Spaced Invader wrote:

    Why is everything about 'winning over the hearts of Newcastle fans'? The club's problem has been its kneejerk reaction to fan pressure for too many years.

    Yes, fans are the lifeblood of a club - I'm one myself - but we can't see the whole picture all the time, and clubs need to be strong and fcoused in the board room. Remember the Arsenal fans dismay at the unknown Wenger being signed? Or Man United fan's chanting for Ferguson out in 1989?

    For god's sake Newcastle show some backbone. And Newcastle fans, stop being so insular (and borderline racist). Where a man comes from is irrevelant, its his skills that count.

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  • 28. At 3:36pm on 26 Sep 2008, alpeshcgujjar wrote:

    He is not going to stay for more then 3 games..Newcastle will be sold by then and the new owners will first try to get back KK.
    This is the right move i guess

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  • 29. At 3:38pm on 26 Sep 2008, 11GeorgieBests wrote:

    Newcaslte.....5/1 for bet of the year so far!

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  • 30. At 3:39pm on 26 Sep 2008, JustALitaBit wrote:

    This whole situation sums up one of Newcastles biggest problems.

    The fans, while well meaning and devoted, have their head in the clouds and expect that the likes of Frank Rijkaard (yes, one fan actually suggested him on tv earlier) will happily come to a struggling average team in the cold north of England to manage a group of players who are overpaid (and in many cases past their best) without any kind of certaintly about the ownership of the club or how long they will be in the job.

    They need to face facts that Joe Kinnear is the best they can do until Ashley sells the club. They are lucky that anyone is willing to take the job right now.

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  • 31. At 3:40pm on 26 Sep 2008, pompeypensioner wrote:

    I only hope the Nigerian business man is genuine and not involved in the infamous scams that have originated in that country

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  • 32. At 3:42pm on 26 Sep 2008, peejkerton wrote:

    I have no problem with Kinnear, I think he's a genuinely nice bloke in the game, but this is yet another comedy appointment from Sid James' Park.

    And once again the fans behaviour has got everything to do with this. They've forced Ashley into selling, so no manager worth his salt is going to take the job when he could be out of one as soon as a buyer is found.

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  • 33. At 3:43pm on 26 Sep 2008, Sneaky-Weasel wrote:

    I hope the Nigerian businessmen are dodgy dealers

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  • 34. At 3:44pm on 26 Sep 2008, harrischopper wrote:

    Venables a mate of Wise? I don't think so!!!! When Tel was the England boss he threw Wise out on his ear for playing like a hooligan against Greece.....

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  • 35. At 3:44pm on 26 Sep 2008, hazwoz wrote:

    Any England fan who ridicules Newcastle fans for being unrealistic, fickle, self-righteous etc. is a total hypocrite!

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  • 36. At 3:49pm on 26 Sep 2008, theghost2 wrote:

    Newcastle are an absolute joke.

    Kinnear may have had some success at Wimbledon, but that was ten years ago, he's been out of the game for four years and by most accounts his last foray into management was unsuccessful. Newcastle have got to hope for a takeover to come prettty quickly, as if the current situation continues for too much longer they'll be looking at relegation.

    It'd be interesting to see what impact relegation would have on attendances at Newcastle, as although the fans herald themselves as some of the best fans in the country, last time they were outside the top flight attendance levels were slight in comparison to other bigger clubs during their periods outside of the top division.

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  • 37. At 3:50pm on 26 Sep 2008, RubberNutz wrote:

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  • 38. At 3:50pm on 26 Sep 2008, peejkerton wrote:

    The England squad is full of European Champions League finalists and winners (A. Cole, J. Cole, Beckham, Gerard, Lampard, Terry, Rooney and thats just off the top of my head) so by that very grounding has people believing they might be able to do something as a team.

    Meanwhile Newcastle haven't achieved anything in 40 years, and they still believe they deserve to be Top 5.

    Spot the difference?

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  • 39. At 3:50pm on 26 Sep 2008, Tieshredder wrote:

    King Kevin they called the messiah
    In the league he would take them up higher
    He fell out with the Board
    And the Toon Army roared
    Now the club’s in a bit of a mire

    For transfers he got not one nickel
    So for quality Kev could not stickle
    So he walked out the door
    Geordie jaws hit the floor
    Now the club’s in a bit of a pickle

    Kev’s hair used to be just like brambles
    It’s true on occasion he rambles
    But now he’s away
    There’ll be hell to pay
    ‘Cos the club’s in a bit of a shambles

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  • 40. At 3:52pm on 26 Sep 2008, CantonasCollar79 wrote:

    Is this correct? "Mile End of Manhattan" - think you meant or, Phil!

    I wouldn't say Joe Kinnear is a bad oppointment, but then Roy Kinnear would be better at motivating the team than Chris Hughton!

    Wise is a poisonous little goblin who deserves nothing but misfortune to plague him and his kind until the day he descends, of course, but he's a bit of an easy target. I heard a radio show guest once say when Keegan walked away first time round "Ah, but Kevin Keegan is a winner." No, he's not - he certainly hasn't won anything as a manager, and frankly his record at Man. City was not one than inspired the people to chant his name, unlike the geordies, who seem perennially stuck ina time-loop where Keegan can be revered without others looking at you whilst laughing behind their hands.

    Quite right when you say it's a soap-opera, and the worst writersof all are the so-called legendary fans. Compared to City's fans (and I ahte City, it's in my blood to do so) they are nothing, The Arabs got 26,000 in League One the other year, Newcastle have been spoilt with quality like Shearer, someone who was prepared to basically torch his career and set on fire any chances of further medals to play for his home-town club. Admirable, maybe foolish, but extremely fortunate. They've had other great players and a pretty decent bloke called SIR BOBBY ROBSON, and they got rid of him (were they CRAZY?) If Allardyce would still have been in charge, there would have been a serious change in Newcastle's fortunes, and fraknly, labelling the guy with playing unattractive football when he toook bolton into the UEFA Cup is ludicrous, Newcastle are playing AWFUL football now, and were hradly setting the world on fire under Keegan this time round.

    The phrase 'problems of their own making' that you put in the everton blog earlier should have been in this one. Newcastle fans only have themselves to blame for this mess.

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  • 41. At 3:56pm on 26 Sep 2008, cynical_spurs_fan wrote:

    I think Newcastle have done pretty well to find a manager of Joe Kinnears status on a rolling contract, no top class manager would touch such a contract. Plus, he has won more games than he has lost with all his previous clubs, not bad at all for a temp.

    This is purely a short term solution to a long term goal.

    I say support him, you've got him now, back him, he might just sort you guys out.

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  • 42. At 4:00pm on 26 Sep 2008, hazwoz wrote:


    And what have England achieved in 40 years??

    But it's true, newcastle are a joke ever since Freddie Shepherd made the 'mary poppins' remark . The Dalglish/Gullit era, the Dyer-Bowyer fight, the Souness reign of tactical ineptness, Albert Luque, Marcelino, Allardyce and his pro-zone nonsense.....Apart from Robson's days I could go on and on.

    But don't think this is the lowest of the low. We have the same fortunes as Eastenders' Billy Mitchell.

    Regardless of your feelings for the club, no fan deserves this tosh.

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  • 43. At 4:02pm on 26 Sep 2008, Kento wrote:


    All the best.

    You deserve some support! Other managers turned down the job, you are a courageous man to take it.

    Chris Hughton has failed to win a game or secure a point, if you can put some points on tha board for Newcastle, I'd hope Newcastle fans would accord you some respect for bring bold enough to help them

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  • 44. At 4:04pm on 26 Sep 2008, Jol wrote:

    Why wouldn't a top European manager take the job ?
    Rikjard (for example) could come in and ask for a 3 year contract and try and turn them around. If new owners come in and don't want him, he'll be out on his ear with a nice fat pay cheque. If they come in and like what he's doing then he'll have a pot of money come the transfer window to move things forward.
    And the sooner the thick Geordies move on from Bobby Robson/Kevin Keegan/Alan Shearer the better. It's 21st century football now this is the real world - not some Geordie fantasy Island.........

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  • 45. At 4:05pm on 26 Sep 2008, peejkerton wrote:


    I'm saying you cannot compare England and Newcastle, because whilst England haven't achieved anything in the last 40 years, it isn't because we aren't bringing in a high quality pedigree of players.

    If England played Newcastle tonight, they'd tear Newcastle apart.

    In fact, I'd pretty much put money on any team in the top 3 divisions playing Newcastle. Newcastle's heads are so far down at the moment, and once again its at the makings of the clubs so called "support". They haven't supported the team properly for years, driving out manager after manager, and at least 3 owners since they returned to the top flight with Keegan originally.

    You can blame manager after manager and owner after owner and chairman after chairman, the only thing that has consistently stayed the same in Newcastle is the supporters, and they've been consistently on the club's back as soon as they put together a run of 2 or 3 bad games.

    "You do it to yourself,
    You do,
    And thats what really hurts.
    You do it to yourself,
    You do.
    You and no one else."

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  • 46. At 4:06pm on 26 Sep 2008, Goonerview wrote:

    I think Newcastle are a team of big egos that will only answer to managers of high gravitas and status! ... Joe Kinnear has been out of management for 4 years!!

    ... If he is telling Michael Owen and co. how to play, I dont think players will take him seriously!

    Moreover, I dont think Joe Kinnear has the tactical brilliance to cut it with other managers of the Premiership!

    I feel sorry for players like Xisco and Corlecini, the games I have seen, they have been no bad!... they arrived at Newcastle and were greeted by KK, only for him to walk out and leave the team in the s***.

    btw Very good limerick 39!

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  • 47. At 4:06pm on 26 Sep 2008, jonnoo3 wrote:

    im sorry but
    "not won anything in 40 years and still think they deserve to be in the top 5"
    seems to me to decribe england fans quite well too.
    when was the last time england won anything? and before every major championship all you can get out of the fans is "we'r going all the way" and "easy win."
    i agree whole-heartedly with #35, how could any england fan try to slag-off the toon for expecting to win, you'r doing the exact same everytime an international comes around?
    fair enough newcastle need to get a grip, but the first thing new owners need to do is get wise out, appoint a 'smaller-name' manager, someone who might not hav the personality or skill of some of the others, but who will give his all for the club, and give him the full backing.
    at least then the players and fans might hav someone to support properly for the first time since the Robson/Shearer years.

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  • 48. At 4:09pm on 26 Sep 2008, mark_commadore wrote:

    Anyone remember the heady days of Souness or even Big Sam?

    Listening to the fans has really paid off since the top 2 finish of 96/97 hasn't it. Get rid of every manager who they either just don't like or doesn't win the league within a season thats the way geordie.

    Gettting relagated mite be the best thing that could happen to them, might finally dispell the illusion of the "big club" and allow the club to get back on it's feet without stupid expectations.

    As an Arsenal fan living in Newcastle I'm dissapointed you couldn't even beat Spurs. I cheered with the Toon Army in the pub but we all went home dissapointed.

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  • 49. At 4:11pm on 26 Sep 2008, peejkerton wrote:


    How many Newcastle players have contested and won major honours at club level?


    How many England players have contested and won major honours at club level?

    And then tell me England fans are just as deluded than Newcastle fans.

    Cause if England fans are just as deluded, Newcastle fans are double your money for it!

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  • 50. At 4:12pm on 26 Sep 2008, tosmag wrote:$football_blog/2008/09/26/newcastle_and_out

    amusing Newcastle blog..

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  • 51. At 4:12pm on 26 Sep 2008, fevster wrote:

    I'm sorry but most of the reaction is typical of many Newcastle fans, you haven't even given him a chance yet. Who do you expect to take over? You've forced the owner of the club to sell, upset the moral of your own squad and basically made your club a laughing stock.

    I agree Mike Ashley hasn't done things perfectly but he's come in and put millions of his own money into the club, for what to be hounded out. As for Keegan he was going to quit no matter what, he always does, he would have found another excuse, he knew what Wise's job was, and to be fair I think if he is scouting all over the world for new talent and finding some then he's doing a good job. I agree though that Keegan should have had the last say if anyone is signed, was this the case?

    Newcastle fans want the world, you will never get an Ambramovich, they wouldn't touch the club with a barge pole as the fans have too much of an influence. I'm sorry to say it but Newcastle is not a big club, just because you get so many fans doesn't make you a big club, look at Leeds.

    Good luck Joe, I'm glad you're back in football, you are going to need it. All i can to say to Newcastle fans is to get behind your team, support Joe or you will be playing in the Championship next season.

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  • 52. At 4:16pm on 26 Sep 2008, Jonno_79 wrote:

    #35 hazwoz makes a good point. How many times before international tournaments have I heard that we're going to win the World up or the Euros, only to crash out?

    When we didn't qualify for this year's Euro Championships I was absolutely relieved not to have to go through that charade again.

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  • 53. At 4:16pm on 26 Sep 2008, hazwoz wrote:


    Heaven forbid you be melodramtic!

    I wouldn't be so sure about tearing newcastle apart. I'd say its 50:50, you don't know what team will show up after the recent andorra and croatia matches (hmmm sounds like a certain team I've supported over the years). Again, another aspect to my argument of england hypocrisy; build the team up to unforseen limits when you win, then banish them to the bowels of hell when they lose. WELCOME TO OUR WORLD!!haha.

    But seriously.....yeah we're screwed.

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  • 54. At 4:17pm on 26 Sep 2008, lochee_celtic wrote:

    Sorry thanks a lot bbc7 but it must be Friday.

    "But even those people couldnt have imagined the variety of shambles going on at SJP"

    SJP Sarah Jessica Parker what the hell does this have to do with sex and the city. Then the penny dropped SJP ah. :-)

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  • 55. At 4:18pm on 26 Sep 2008, MichaelT wrote:

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  • 56. At 4:25pm on 26 Sep 2008, DJHDJH wrote:

    'He has to turn around a team that is fragile, low on morale and a support that has started to do what few ever believed they would - vote with their feet.'

    What, in the same way they did before Keegan went there the 1st time?

    The idea of Newcastle fans as the most passionate and loyal in the country is a myth and fairy tale. They are the single biggest obstacle to the club's success with their unrealistic expectations.

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  • 57. At 4:29pm on 26 Sep 2008, boomshakalak wrote:

    how have some people managed to turn a blog about Jo Kinnears appointment as Newcastle manager into a Newcastle v England debate... brilliant!... seems like a few of us have been in the pub at lunch time... but for what it is worth England are probably the Newcastle of international football.. every year / tournament we think we have a chance of winning it only to become depressed by the reality of being second rate!

    anyway - glad that Phil has written an article that has got some passions going...

    also - can't we just throw Newcastle out the league... tell the simple geordie fans that they have won the "special cup" and are top of the "northern monkey league" each year and that Keegan is Prime minister and Shearer is Jesus... and just let them be happy... i'm glad most people on here seem to have a similar lighthearted attitude to Newcastel and that i'm not on my own lauging at the ridiculousness of it all..

    i still think Kinnear is a good appontment... and would happily put money on that when he leaves the post they will be in a higher position in the league than when the prime minister (sorry i mean King Kev) left the job!

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  • 58. At 4:30pm on 26 Sep 2008, Tea Time At Harrods wrote:

    There was nothing wrong with the 'cockney mafia" when England were winning the world cup was there? That said, Kinnear is as good as Newcastle is gong to get.Most competant managers would prefer to be sailing in Somalian waters on a luxury yacht than be hijacked on the Tyne.

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  • 59. At 4:30pm on 26 Sep 2008, DPanna wrote:

    Newcastle had a good manager last season, a better one than Kevin Keegan, his name was Sam Allardyce, but he was condemned before he'd even been given a chance.

    Do Geordies even know what they're so upset with Ashley and Wise for? Daring to look beyond a very average manager who managed to throw away a huge lead in the league and finish second to Man United in 1996? Face it Geordies football has changed and your chance has gone, time to moderate the expectations.

    What man in their right mind would accept the Newcastle job, and if Keegan came back how long before he walks out again on the new owners like he's done in every other job?

    The reaction to Kinnear before he's even had a chance just shows that Newcastle's problem is their supporters and their lack of patients.

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  • 60. At 4:30pm on 26 Sep 2008, Oldcollo wrote:

    There is nothing wrong with the Toon....Its the owners who are rubbish! Fan ownership is the only solution in the long term. We still might not win anything but we won't be embarrassed by the antics of greedy and deluded owners!

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  • 61. At 4:30pm on 26 Sep 2008, boomshakalak wrote:

    56 - couldn't agree more!... so why don't any of the so called pundits come out and say it... or better still... why doesn't Hansen burst out laughing at shearer live on Match of the Day!

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  • 62. At 4:34pm on 26 Sep 2008, boomshakalak wrote:

    60 - mike ashley has put about £250 million into the club... fan ownership? ... how much money could the fans put in? how would they pay a wage bill of £XXm per year?... its a lovely idea but once again something i would expect a geordie to come up with...

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  • 63. At 4:38pm on 26 Sep 2008, hazwoz wrote:

    How can anyone treat the club seriously? All that's left is to pave the streets of newcastle with gold for Bryan Robson's emotional homecoming as the next permanent manager! That would easily get NUFC nominated for a Golden Globe for best comedy act.

    TeaTimeAtHarrods: Have you ever heard Sir Alf Ramsey speak? It's more like Captain Mainwaring than Chas 'n Dave!

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  • 64. At 4:41pm on 26 Sep 2008, eirebilly wrote:

    Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Just when you think there couldnt be another twist in the NUFC story, this happens.
    I am not sure as to wheter an invester would want to buy NUFC at this moment, maybe they will wait until NUFC is relegated and then swoop in for a low low price.

    Mike Ashley may actually have to have a real "going out of buisness sale" ;-)

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  • 65. At 4:41pm on 26 Sep 2008, fevster wrote:

    #60 Are you having a laugh, fan's ownership!! One you couldn't get the cash to buy the place, then where are you going to get the money to buy players from, pay the wage bill etc etc! Bloody hell you would end up protesting against each other, total carnage. Get a grip.

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  • 66. At 4:45pm on 26 Sep 2008, BetrayedGeordie wrote:

    HarrisChopper... please tell me which year Wise played against greece when ElTel was the manager...
    it certainly wasn't the 5-0 win in 1994

    so when was it... I'm curious...

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  • 67. At 4:47pm on 26 Sep 2008, t0mmy99 wrote:

    The way i see it is no one will want ruin thre reputation by going to a club in as much dissaray as newcastle on a short term contract as many of the managers work best with stability (curbishley at chrlton). They were never going to get these people in which can be seen by venebles turning it down so for them to get kinnear may seem strange but he has experience and he is totqally understanding of the situation, he isnt going there to be a hero for the geordies, he is going there to work to the best of his ability nd do his job!!

    If the newcastle fas hadnt gone on strie and forced ashley to publicly state his intention to sell the club he might of been able to get someone of more quality in for a more settled amount of time to help steady the ship. but NO the geordies protested and now no maanager will move up there cos they kno they could be looking for work as soon as its sold aas the first thing the new owners will do is to try get all the newcastle fans on their side by reappointing keegan and maybe even shearer!!

    But then what happens next yr wen newcastle dnt win trophies under keegan, will they spend the next 4 years supporting him whilst shifting the blame solely at the door of wise and ashley or will they revolt against the next owners tht dont bring them success!!!??

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  • 68. At 4:48pm on 26 Sep 2008, parsusmajor wrote:

    Has anyone else heard the rumour that Billy the fish will take over from Kinnear at the end of October? He's certainly got excellent credentials for the next short-term managerial post at Newcastle and I think the fans would love him.

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  • 69. At 4:50pm on 26 Sep 2008, Hookers_armpit wrote:

    The toon are a sinking ship going down. Watch the rats flee in January.

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  • 70. At 4:50pm on 26 Sep 2008, hazwoz wrote:

    We're talking about a premiership team here, not ebbsfleet. We're miles apart (excluding recent performances!).

    I'd like to see a young wipper-snapper in charge of the club. Someone in the mould of David Moyes when he left Preston. Maybe John Collins? Martinez? It's something we haven't tried since Keegan's first stint. Although the Ossie Ardiles reign of terror might quash that theory. Either way I think it's the only option left. No doubt a foreign owner will go for a continental flavour (probably a French nougat or German wiener)

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  • 71. At 4:51pm on 26 Sep 2008, eirebilly wrote:

    #68, i didnt hear about Billy the fish but i did hear a rumour about sid the sexist and/or Jimmy Nail.

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  • 72. At 4:51pm on 26 Sep 2008, BetrayedGeordie wrote:


    The problem at NUFC is NOT the supporters.
    All they have done over the years is turn up and support the team!
    Blaming supporters of any club is foolish.
    Were Wimbledon supporters to blame for moving the club to Milton Keynes? I think not!
    The blame lies at the hands of the many fools that "run" the vast majority of all our footie clubs.
    Please show some compassion for the very long-suffering Toon lads and lasses.

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  • 73. At 4:53pm on 26 Sep 2008, setyourselfonfire - off down the A 5 2 wrote:

    A baffling decision - he managed to lose the dressing room and the fans in near record time at Forest (only Ron Atkinson lost it quicker by sitting in the away dugout on his debut!) by bringing in a bunch of old-cronies that were simply not good enough. cue the beginning of the worst ever period of being a Forest supporter.

    He has valuable experience, like Keegan, but he's also a big-talker and a massive quitter... just like Keegan.

    Who is in line for the full-time position then? Spit the dog?

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  • 74. At 4:56pm on 26 Sep 2008, matti76 wrote:

    How much of a gamble is this, really? Joe admits himself he will only be around for 6-8 games; whatever happens in that time, it won't be a huge, pivotal chapter in Newcastle's history - probably the same as if any caretaker came in - a few losses, a few draws, maybe a win or two.

    That's not to say I think it will be a success - I don't think it will be. Although Joe did a very good job for us at Wimbledon, that was a club made for him and his personality and style. Newcastle will be sulking millionaires from a hundred different countries.

    He also had a bad heart attack, lest we forget, and I question the wisdom of even temporary employment in such an absurd environment as St. James Park.

    Good luck, anyway, Joe, for all you did at WFC - good days, they were.

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  • 75. At 4:58pm on 26 Sep 2008, NoMoreFA wrote:

    Joe Kinnear? Might aswell be Roy Kinnear! Ashley's having a giraffe!!

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  • 76. At 5:08pm on 26 Sep 2008, ahwomble1 wrote:

    So what if Joe Kinnear resorts to long-ball tactics? Let me remind you that in seven seasons with Wimbledon, a team with far fewer resources then Newcastle, they never came anywhere near the position that the Magpies find themselves in at the moment. Just because he's not a big name appointment...Geordies can hardly believe that top managers are queuing up at St James' Park to take that job, can they?

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  • 77. At 5:26pm on 26 Sep 2008, hazwoz wrote:

    Well call me fickle but I really thought we could have done better than this chap. I understand perfectly that wimbledon fans had some awesome memories under him but his fate in life was to manage that certain club. It was a match made in heaven. Anywhere else has been very poor by his WFC standards.

    Having said that, can anyone think of a manager that has been externally employed to manage a premiership side for a few games? To be fair there's not much to choose from at "Catering Managers 'R Us".

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  • 78. At 5:27pm on 26 Sep 2008, thewelshboycott wrote:

    You're reading too much into this, Phil.

    Who else was going to be prepared to do the job on a weekly wage, until booted out by new owners in a few weeks?

    Even El Tel had too much pride to swallow that arrangement.

    Kinnear didn't do too shabby a job at Forest, you know.

    All Newcastle want is to get as many points as they can eke out until the takeover happens.

    Maybe King Kev will return then.......

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  • 79. At 5:27pm on 26 Sep 2008, HAYDON wrote:

    Kinnear did not just play route one football.

    As for Wimbledon: when was the last time you saw the FA Cup in Newcastle? ha, ha

    Denis Wise did win the cup with Wimbledon.

    You are lucky to get Kinnear. He is a good manager.
    He won't cry in his tea when Newcastle concede a corner.

    Keegan what a joke! Shearer will be no better when he steps into the role.

    Newcastle, you are finished and it is only the fault of your supporters.

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  • 80. At 5:28pm on 26 Sep 2008, hazwoz wrote:

    ah just thought of one......venables at 'boro. D'oh!

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  • 81. At 5:35pm on 26 Sep 2008, backinwhite wrote:

    Hazwoz, I wasn't making an argument, I just thought it was funny that Kinnear was called a Tin Pot manager, when a tin pot is what Newcastle fans have been wanting to win for years!

    as for Wise, I still don't know what he did wrong (which is not me saying that he hasn't done anything wrong). Apart from the usual generalisation of him forcing out Keegan, I was interested to now whether anyone had any specifics.
    Mind you I still don't understand the angst at Keegan leaving. He ceratinly wasn't Ashley's first choice, and what Necastle really need is a sensible, thoughtful hardworking manager that is given a minimum of three years to quietly sort out the mess on a tight budget. (Like Moyes did at Everton)
    Trouble is Newcastle fans won't wait three years, so they'll drive the next one out, and the one after, always demading instant success or even improvement, and before they realise it another ten years would have passed.

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  • 82. At 5:41pm on 26 Sep 2008, Stu_SAFC wrote:

    I think with Kinnear in they have all the ingredients they need for a top 4 finish, no doubt.


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  • 83. At 6:02pm on 26 Sep 2008, CantonasCollar79 wrote:

    Check the bar-codes out if they actually win a match they'll expect European football!

    Personally, I hope they win a couple of matches, the Nigerians stump up the pennies and Keegan is re-instated and carried aloft by the geordies on a cloud of false hope. KK to take them down - that would open their eyes. LOL

    Boro and Soonerlan' fans have got to be choking with laughter over this mess! These things always happen AFTER robbo has ranted about something esle - his thoughts here woould be better than McBloggy's.

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  • 84. At 6:06pm on 26 Sep 2008, Frankie_kenny wrote:

    This is obviously Mike Ashley getting his own back on the supporters and having the last laugh before he sells the club.

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  • 85. At 6:11pm on 26 Sep 2008, philmcnultybbcsport wrote:

    It is a gamble in the sense that if Kinnear comes in and things do not improve, then the mood around St James' Park will blacken even more.

    I am surprised Newcastle need a temporary manager for just a few weeks - it is not exactly a glowing testimony to Chris Hughton is it?

    I do wonder how his methods will work with people like Michael Owen at Newcastle.

    A previous poster was spot on in suggesting that Wimbledon was tailor-made for Kinnear. This is not, I should stress, a criticism.

    Kinnear revelled in that "Crazy Gang" mentality and their "us against the world attitude."

    He may only be there a few weeks, but they will still be important weeks.

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  • 86. At 6:18pm on 26 Sep 2008, littlejklc wrote:

    I have doubt on how it works out for Newcastle. I am afraid ( but don't want to) that Newcastle will going down this season and becoming the new Leeds.

    How can you fire (or force him out) the manager just after 4 games. Left it without a manager for another few games, losing them all. Then hire someone for another 5-6 games. Sell the club to someone else and then hire back the previous manager?

    It will certainly affect the players. They are not a very good side to start with. They escaped going down last term in very latter stage.

    Whose fault? Mostly the owner. But he owns the club and he has right to do what he wants to do whether it is wrong or not. I don't think the fans help the club at all. Protesting at the home game, boycotting the game. Think about that, how can you win with that. Even Hotspur beat them away, that shows how poor they are now.

    We will see if they can recover. But the fans also have responsiblity if they going down. Not just the owner.

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  • 87. At 6:30pm on 26 Sep 2008, Inherent wrote:

    If he's not 'bowing to the mob'why is he so eager to cry to the police or put the club up for sale

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  • 88. At 6:31pm on 26 Sep 2008, unbeatablePinkFloyd wrote:

    very good concrete news for nufc perhaps now they will naff off and get on with job of playing footy.

    hooray no more clap trap about " messiahs " now naff off nufc and give us all a rest from your saga.


    to JK any chance when you start can you boot the thug out the camp which is JB now that really would set down a marker for a bright future.

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  • 89. At 6:34pm on 26 Sep 2008, SuperStrikerShivam wrote:


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  • 90. At 6:47pm on 26 Sep 2008, Steve Fishman wrote:

    So they ran out of options and Wisey calls up his old manager and says 'eh Joe, fancy a job, I bet you need the money'.
    'Cheers Den, I'm well skint mate. Any good dog racing up there mate? Got to have somewhere to treat the lads when they done well.'

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  • 91. At 7:00pm on 26 Sep 2008, ILoveTheNHS wrote:

    What Newcastle need now is stability - short term and long term, and I think Kinnear will provide them with short term stability and, the state Newcastle are in right now, they need to take that.

    Personally, I think the fans should get behind Ashley, who's got a sensible strategy to take the club forward - bar taking away transfer control from the manager.

    If the fans do, and I know it's probably too late now, but Ashley could then focus on getting a quality, long term manager in.

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  • 92. At 7:02pm on 26 Sep 2008, CantonasCollar79 wrote:


    Very good stuff. This actually sounds like a realistic conversation with that clown Wise, although to be fair, that would quite a long sentence for him to manage. I genuinely hope something rotten happens to Dennis Wise like an onion falls on his head.

    I was at Wimbledon a few years back (actually, about eleven, crikey) and Kinnear was livid with his players for about 98% of the match - and they played fairly well. Apart from 'Hands' Segers who let Brucey nutmeg him when it looked harder not to pick the ball up than to do so. Hmm.....

    Eric only knows what Kinnear will make of 'talent' such as Guthrie, Geremi, Ameobi (God, they have some dross there - they actually DESERVE to go down with that shower on the payroll)

    Who's got Santa Cruz in their FF teams tomorrow then? Fill ya boots, Roque!

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  • 93. At 7:05pm on 26 Sep 2008, foxtrot_charlie wrote:

    some of the comments about joe kinnear are unfair, and although this appointment has come WAY out of left field, I feel the quick-to-judge critics are what is really wrong with football. The media hype is insufferable - this is why rugby is a better sport!

    give him a chance!!

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  • 94. At 7:05pm on 26 Sep 2008, ILoveTheNHS wrote:

    Aslo, I don't think it matters whether Ashley made a popular choice on manager or not now because of the feelings of the fans towards him.

    They would want him out whether he brought in Wenger, Kinnear or Claude Anelka.

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  • 95. At 7:07pm on 26 Sep 2008, chicksdaddy2008 wrote:

    The fans???? They sure as hell don't help.

    The players??? Big names get overpaid, thats why they go to Newcastle - why else did Owen go there. No one else (ie. United, Chelsea - real big clubs) wanted him!

    Who cares what Owen and co think of Kinnears methods???? Its about time these higher paid little girls were made to do as told by the manager/coach appointed by the owners of these clubs.

    I hope Kinnear takes no s^*t off these people and if they try i hope he puts them in their place. Might just be the best thing to happen to Newcastle right now. Kinnear has nothing to lose by this appointment so why not ruffle a few feathers.

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  • 96. At 7:44pm on 26 Sep 2008, Oggysda wrote:

    I found this on Mike Ashley's floor. Could it be true?

    My dears, I have carefully selected your beautiful club because I know I can trust you. I have a major dilemma. I know of a brilliant football manager who is prevented from rejoining the game due to the oppressive regime here in Sarf London. Therefore I need to use your club to help rehabilitate this man into football. I know you will do this out of love for your fellow human but I also want to help you share in the benefits. In return for your help in assuring the return of JK, me and my associates are willing to invest 300 million Zimbabwe dollars in your club. I know you will be interested so please get in touch with me… Of course you should not tell anyone of this…

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  • 97. At 8:00pm on 26 Sep 2008, adalby87 wrote:

    i like this appointment as im a forest and know what he could to clubs.. and with me disliking newcastle and their fans as they feel they are a 'big club' it will show them how crap there team really is and hopefully they will be down and out xmas

    he got forest relegated so he is not the man for newcastle .. and keegen was rubbish anyway so

    newcastle fans need to be realistic that there a midtable team at most

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  • 98. At 8:03pm on 26 Sep 2008, U9563463 wrote:

    Maybe Kinnear is the blessing in disguise Newcastle need. A man with no over inflated reputation as a coach (i.e. not Keedan), a man that will do a job. Newcastle fans need to accept that in order to progress they need a 'boring' team with a solid back four, not one who lose 5-4 and get nowhere near a trophy.

    Ashley needs to ignore the fans for the good of the club as they expect the side to play out and out attacking football and win the league at the same time, immediately a new manager takes over! - he needs toget a long term manager in who is given time (at least two or three season) to improve the side and get it playing in a certain style (like Arsene Wenger or Ferguson do). Its the only way the side are ever going to get into the top 5 or 6 teams in England.

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  • 99. At 8:08pm on 26 Sep 2008, Theflantom wrote:

    Hahahahaha best laugh i had for ages that bloke Ashley's got it in for you toon fans. LoL Off to read it again.

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  • 100. At 8:14pm on 26 Sep 2008, U9563463 wrote:

    Maybe the toon fans can take a note out of the biggest sports star in Newcastle - one Jonny Wilkinson. The man has taken up buddism and some bizaare astro-physics ideas - he has learnt to stop being so perfect and expecting so much from himself. In other words lower your expectations and stop expecting to be the best team in the world or ask Jonny to lecture your team on what it feels like to be successful.

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  • 101. At 8:20pm on 26 Sep 2008, highthief wrote:

    Personally, I think Kinnear will do OK as an interim manager.

    NUFC fans are kidding themselves if they think they were going to get a "name" manager to come in only to be guaranteed the sack within a few weeks when the club is sold.

    And, to a large extent, NUFC fans have done it to themselves. Allardyce - a proven manager - wasn't slick enough for you and you ran him out of town on a rail. Now you've run your owner out and while you might get bought by someone who will do a good job, you might get stuck with someone worse. Or, the sale could become protracted and relegation would become a real possibility.

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  • 102. At 8:31pm on 26 Sep 2008, Redwal1 wrote:

    Money, money money......
    Joe Kinnear is well respected in football circles. He will do a good job at Newcastle.
    Bloody hell what do Newcastle fans want?. The top four are and will remain the "Top Four" for the foreseeable future. Many clubs are trying to buy their way into this but it takes time, a good manager and of course money. Newcastle is a big club in terms of the fan base but outside the fans' perception of big, they haven't won anything in years and are(as are a lot of other clubs on the Premier League are) making up the numbers. Get a grip. Get behind Joe Kinnear and see where it goes. This talk of "The Cokney Mafia" is wrong and as one of the other bloggers said slightly racist. Would the Newcastle fans accept a foreign "big name"?. I think yes they would. So lay the "mafia " stuff to rest.
    All clubs are potential takeover targets, some good, some bad. Look at Liverpool for example. The fans are not happy with the way things are being done there. At Man U, fans were not happy but they have been proven wrong. Villa have had a takeover and it has proven good. In my opinion Mike Ashley should show that he has some backbone and balls and stay at the club and turn it around. I think it's the only way that both he and the club can come out of this current crisis with integrity. He should stay in the directors box and stop trying to be a "fan". Hey Toon Army , the upturn has to start somewhere. Keep the belief and stay with the team. After all, it's the team that has to produce the results on the field. They don't become bad players(highly paid bad players) because of what's going on in the boardroom. I really hope that this ends well because I like Newcastle and I wish the club and the fans well in their quest to regain stability and become a successful club. The Premier League needs clubs like Newcastle. Keep the faith.

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  • 103. At 8:35pm on 26 Sep 2008, ablue1972 wrote:

    Allardyce or Kinnear? well done Newcastle fans. getting what you deserve!!

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  • 104. At 8:59pm on 26 Sep 2008, michaelspikef wrote:

    why do people keep going on that Joe was manager of Wimbledon when Wise was there. This is not true Wise left in 1990 and joe was manager 1992-1999. Good luck joe, Wimbledon Legend

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  • 105. At 9:13pm on 26 Sep 2008, the swashbuckler wrote:

    You need look no further than some on the nonsense written everyday on 606 to realise that you can't let fans dictate club policy. Let's see, Newcastle want to be a competitive club just so long as the manager is a former Newcastle legend (who cares if he actually has managerial experience or has been anywhere near the game in the last decade), and the ower and management team must not from London because cockneys can't be trusted. I would say that it's too funny for words, if it wasn't just the opposite - shockingly sad.

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  • 106. At 9:14pm on 26 Sep 2008, sidharry wrote:

    It seems that there is not to many true lovers of the beautiful game around on 606 e.g sneaky wease, if they truely believe clubs like NUFC going down is good news for the premiership. We would all like to see the top teams nocked off their perch i.e manu , chelsea etc. but I doubt that we would enjoy the season half as much without the big clubs, including newcastle in that, as much as we do now. C'mon Joe

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  • 107. At 9:26pm on 26 Sep 2008, mitcham_womble wrote:

    Old Wimbledon fan here....

    Good luck to Joe Kinnear. You could have done a lot worse. He kept us in the premier league for 10 years when we had no right to be there. As soon as he left we were relegated.

    He loves a fight and for a team in disarray he will do just what is needed. Newcastle will scrap their way out of this and it will start with Kinnear.

    You lot will be laghing on the other side of your faces when he picks up points against Everton, Sunderland, City and West Brom.

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  • 108. At 9:30pm on 26 Sep 2008, Laqlouq58 wrote:

    If the players get behind him and the fans stay together, Newcastle can still stay up.

    It seems that self-destruction is just as likely.

    Pity. A great club with a great tradition and history.

    It would be great to see them able to challenge the Chel$kis and so on, but really, Newcastle must learn to walk before they think about anything else and that means keeping Owen, getting behind Joe Kinnear and staying up.

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  • 109. At 9:40pm on 26 Sep 2008, Trojansmotorcar wrote:

    This whole Ashley/Cockney/Newcastle thing is great entertainment , but I can't help thinking that KK has wrongly come out of this without anything sticking.
    KK has not had his own way and instead of getting on with the job he has held Newcastle FC to ransom knowing full well that he would be portrayed as the victim... he has lost the gamble and now he has walked away from another job .... despite being held up as a paragon of virtue by the fans I don't think KK was really thinking about his supposedly beloved NUFC while arguing with the owner and his people !

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  • 110. At 9:52pm on 26 Sep 2008, malunited wrote:

    Big Sam will very puzzled by all this. He got the sack for boring and long ball football and now Newcastle hires Joe Kinnear.
    They should have stuck with Big Sam. At least he was successful and had a very good job with Bolton. But Joe Kinnear has been out of football for a long time and surely they did not hire him to bring attractive football to NU?

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  • 111. At 9:55pm on 26 Sep 2008, Uppward wrote:

    I for one cannot understand why they didnt appoint Big Ron Manager:)

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  • 112. At 9:57pm on 26 Sep 2008, Uppward wrote:

    Or even Daffy Duck - you don't get more black and white than him.

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  • 113. At 9:59pm on 26 Sep 2008, Uppward wrote:

    Apart from Pepe Le Pew perhaps.

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  • 114. At 10:03pm on 26 Sep 2008, Uppward wrote:

    But then Pepe Le Pew stinks rather than sucks - and we all now that whatever Ashley does sucks.

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  • 115. At 10:11pm on 26 Sep 2008, OrientWob wrote:

    I know it might not be in the correct order of Newcastle Manager's but here goes, Ardilles, Keegan ( sorry Messiah), Dagleish, Roeder, Robson, Alladyce, Gullitt, Souness, your boys have taken one hell of a beating. When will you accept lower half of the Premiership is achievement?

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  • 116. At 10:32pm on 26 Sep 2008, Riggadon wrote:

    "He has to turn around a team that is fragile, low on morale"

    Then Newcastle have just shot themselves in the foot. Kinnear has no respect for a clubs tradition and has as much tact as a pubic louse.

    Forest were also at a low ebb when he came in.....and what was the most inspirational thing he could think of to say?

    "You cant fart around here without someone mentioning Birtles or Clough".

    Like I said, all the tact of a pubic louse and if I was a Newcastle supporter I'd be FURIOUS. Comments like that were designed to pick people up?????

    Toon fans, just to clarify.....Joe's nickname at forest was "Joke In Ere" - you're about to find out why - I trully feel for you.

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  • 117. At 10:40pm on 26 Sep 2008, pandastripes wrote:

    I think there's some crazy comments being made about the NUFC fans, how they've driven out various owners and managers - completely untrue. Freddie Shepherd was not driven out, even if he wasn't the most popular person on Tyneside ( remember his comments about Geordies and their wives from his Spanish sauna?) - he was bought out and made a good profit. And Mike Ashley is not being driven out either
    - I'm afraid people are swallowing his latest statements just like they swallowed his man-of-the-people act. There have been consistent stories about his attempts to sell the club all of this year. He's now able to come clean with his intentions whilst blaming the fans again.
    As for the bit about using Arsenal as the model for bringing in young players and developing the team - how does that square with selling James Milner (good price that it was) or even the whole squad on transfer deadline day.
    And finally he has the heart-breaking task of trying to sell the club that he and his sons have supported through thick and thin while only making a measly £200M profit on the deal! It's a tough life.

    The FA test of "fit and proper" qualifications for owning a club have been totally discredited by more people than Mike Ashley but it really is time for them to be tightened and enforced properly. There shouldn't be room for carpetbaggers in our great game.

    Final rant - so many ill-informed comments about how the fans have totally unrealistic expectations. Most of the fans that I know would have thought a top 8 finish was great this year and the prospect of Eufa cup football as a possibility next year - as long as they played entertaining football. Not at all unrealistic for a club with the fifth largest revenue in the PL and debts hugely less than ManU, Liverpool or Arsenal

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  • 118. At 10:53pm on 26 Sep 2008, Liam wrote:

    Sorry Newcastle fans but you must feel like your club is a laughing stock at the moment. No disrepect to Joe but he managed a handful of small teams and won't have a clue what to do with Newcastle.
    The sooner someone with a bit of nous buys the club and puts the best available coach in charge the better for you. But that aint Keegan. And it sure aint Shearer who seemes to enjoy all the fuss surrounding him whenever his name is mentioned but never stands up to be counted.

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  • 119. At 10:57pm on 26 Sep 2008, Roger_the_Pessimist wrote:

    It's ironic that NUFC sacked Allardyce for playing dull football and have now appointed the king of kick-and-rush.

    Not a fans' choice.

    Newcastle are MENTAL!

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  • 120. At 11:14pm on 26 Sep 2008, aagowangowan wrote:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee, oh stop it, you're kidding..............

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  • 121. At 11:14pm on 26 Sep 2008, Steve wrote:

    Forest fan here, you have my total sympathy. This guy is hopeless.

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  • 122. At 11:27pm on 26 Sep 2008, unbeatablePinkFloyd wrote:

    I sincerly hope we dont have anymore bloggs, threads about this farce of a football team and supporters.

    the " messiah " is dead TFFThat!!!!

    now naff of and try and survive the PL and quite the yap and other rubbish that some of u toons have come out with.

    time to zip it and get on!

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  • 123. At 11:29pm on 26 Sep 2008, ELBENNOdepraved wrote:

    I'm Forest through and through.

    Joe Kinnear was a disaster at Forest. Bad signings (but I suppose that won't matter at Newcastle), no idea tactically, a team looking dejected and overweight.

    In a funny kind of way, I reckon he'll get results there. Let's face it, the only way is up for them right now and obvious quality players on board alongside a tiny bit of stability.

    Prey for Newcastle or you could become the new Nottingham Forest!!!!

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  • 124. At 11:47pm on 26 Sep 2008, Camus_was_right wrote:

    Forest fan here.

    When you're sinking, you're sinking. Keep your head above the sh*t....

    The very best of luck.

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  • 125. At 00:10am on 27 Sep 2008, Optomistic and English wrote:

    given he'll only be there for about 6-8 games i really think it dosent matter who it was they put in charge, thed still do better than a coach who has way too much on his plate already, at least this will relieve stree on the coaching staff, and give the club more managerial imputus.

    A Little bit is Better than Nothing!

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  • 126. At 00:50am on 27 Sep 2008, Stabesy wrote:

    Since Keegan left the first time NUFC have always been a joke. The fans claim to be loyal but "protest" as soon as things get tough. If they spent more time at the job centre than outside St James' then then Newcastle might become a nice city before 2100. Bananaman could put a bid in for NUFC right now and the fans would be cheering. At least Ashley did his best, in my opinion the previous owners have a lot more to answer for and have got off scot free. Face the facts, NUFC will never be more than a has been team that will struggle to finish above 8th. Good luck Joe Kinnear.

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  • 127. At 02:29am on 27 Sep 2008, Richard Johnson wrote:

    Isn't the Manager position at Newcastle, by definition, temporary?

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  • 128. At 02:47am on 27 Sep 2008, sashavujacic wrote:

    typical that nothing is ever good enough for Toon fans. this man didnt have to help you lot out but he has. give him a break and get behind him

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  • 129. At 03:03am on 27 Sep 2008, Mano10000 wrote:

    To sashavujacic - absurd though the Toon fans are, I'd be happy to help them out for 100 grand a game. And I wouldn't really care if I didn't have their support...

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  • 130. At 05:14am on 27 Sep 2008, Willie Mays Hayes wrote:


    Being short, cockney and having swivel eyes.

    Congrats, absolutely hilarious comment. Being short myself I should really take offence but I like to think I have a thick skin and I am completely fed up with the pc brigade.

    Being a Dundee United fan living in Finland I am probably not entitled to contribute to this side-splittingly funny debate but I would still like to add my tuppence worth.

    1. Big clubs win things
    2. Medium size clubs occasionally win things; Portsmouth, Everton, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Greece, Denmark etc.
    3. Small clubs sometimes pull off a shock; Wimbledon, Dundee United, Kilmarnock, Oxford united, Brazil etc.
    4. Newcastle United have not won ANYTHING since God knows when. Get a grip Toon Army. Your expectations are waaaaay too high. You are definitely not a big club because your trophy room is wilting under a ton of dust.

    If any Geordie would like to correct me and name a relative big club that has not won a trophy since ???? I will eat my cloth cap.

    Away the Terrors

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  • 131. At 06:43am on 27 Sep 2008, I dont want a display name wrote:

    Mike Ashley is from Buckinghamshire, Dennis Wise is from Kensington, neither of them is a cockney.
    Geordies seem to be using the criterion that anything south of Watford is "cockney".
    Nigeria is south of Watford.

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  • 132. At 08:32am on 27 Sep 2008, stopthepress wrote:


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  • 133. At 08:34am on 27 Sep 2008, a dog named spot wrote:

    Interim manager? Is there any other kind at Newcastle?

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  • 134. At 08:35am on 27 Sep 2008, a dog named spot wrote:

    PS. Newcastle ARE a big club, and the intertoto cup IS a proper trophy.

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  • 135. At 08:49am on 27 Sep 2008, ConsettKebab wrote:

    Newcastle United are a circus and it's obvious the owner knows nothing of the beautiful game.

    The appointment of Joe Kinnear is like a storyline right out of the pages of Viz.

    The only difference is Billy The Fish couldn't come up with something as absurd.

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  • 136. At 08:58am on 27 Sep 2008, Willie Mays Hayes wrote:

    Intertoto cup ha ha hee heee heee. I thought that was the name of Doroty's dog in the Wizard of Oz. " One day Intertoto we will go back home to Kansas".

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  • 137. At 09:15am on 27 Sep 2008, unbeatablePinkFloyd wrote:

    things must be improveing.

    theres only one Blogg, Thread about NU
    now that is very good news indeed.

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  • 138. At 09:20am on 27 Sep 2008, unbeatablePinkFloyd wrote:

    and no mention at all of " messiahs " or " jehovahs " or " special ones " no " shearers " and the like.

    the future is indeed bright

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  • 139. At 09:30am on 27 Sep 2008, John H wrote:

    I'm a Forest fan. Under Kinnear our side was turned from a semi-fit squad to an unfit one, ultimately leading to our relegation to League One in 2005.

    Good luck chaps.

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  • 140. At 10:15am on 27 Sep 2008, ceedeem wrote:

    Good luck to any one that takes on the Newcastle job. Until the owner gets real and off loads the club it will never have the right structure to succeed because it is clear the present owner has made a mess of things. He started out with good intentions no doubt but, his joy at owning the club masked his inability to run it for the long term as a business on a sound management and football basis. Someone will buy the club becasue it is worth buying. It has a fine stadium and loyal supporters. However, it is not a simple turnaround situation. It will take up to 5 years to re-shape the club, if the supporters will allow it, and a superior experienced manager who is left alone to do his ownthing. There are plenty of excellent managers around many of who would relish the job. So in the end it depends on who owns the club and how they allow it to be managed. This saga is set to continue.

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  • 141. At 10:23am on 27 Sep 2008, TheGMen wrote:

    Of NUFC's challenges and looking back money and judgement are two important factors.
    Ashley stated that he paid £134M for the club and then invested a further £110M not just to pay off the debt but to reduce it.
    He also stated that advertising and sponship deals had been front loaded i.e. mortgaging the future.
    In today's Premier League you have to have huge pockets and Ashley was never in the super hevyweight league like Roman Abramovich or Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG) to spend his way through the problem.
    It seems that Ashley was unaware of the high stakes poker game he was joining.
    In terms of judgement, when Abramovich took over Chelsea he brought in Mourinho. Admittedly he took over a talented team but Mourinho was a proven manager (Porto) plus allowed to get on with his job.
    Ashley almost immediately got rid of Allardyce with Redknapp as his No 1 target and when he didn't take the job (nor Houillier) he was in a creek without a paddle.
    The Keegan move was a gamble but could have worked but the Wise factor was always going to screw this.

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  • 142. At 10:46am on 27 Sep 2008, dlishman wrote:

    So Newcastle fans are over expectant are we? 5 top 4 finishes in the Premier league - including runners up twice, 5th once, 6th once. Only side outside the 'big four' to reach the latter stages of the Champions league. 2 FA Cup finals, 1 UEFA semi-final. We don't believe we have a divine right to win things but a club of our stature should be challenging for the top 6 and we do expect to be entertained. What we don't expect is a succession of poor quality managers Souness, Allardyce and poor direction by succesive boards. Now we get Kinnear? We are a laughing stock but that is not the fault of the fans.

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  • 143. At 10:54am on 27 Sep 2008, terraAzzurri wrote:

    Well while the appointment of Joe Kinnear as intrim Newcastle manager was a surprise to most if not all. He is undoubtedly the man for such a difficult task. Wilst at Wimbledon he hardened the team and built a team of top of division contenders. He has passion and a stomach for a fight. I think that some other choices were best avoided and all considering this could prove to be Newcastle's signing and saviour of the Season. Good luck Joe !!. To all you Newcastle fans get behing your man and support him and your team...Newcastle can be great again....and Joe just could be the one to make it happen !!.....STOP moping and start supporting !!.

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  • 144. At 10:59am on 27 Sep 2008, terraAzzurri wrote:

    Joe may not have been on top of his game at Nottingham Forest but then again he had a squad of clowns to organise. Remember what he did at Wimbledon. He needs to be at a club with heart and passion. Forest have Robin Hood but little else...Wimbledon had guts, fight, determination and he helped mould that....Now he can do the same with a passionate club like Newcastle....give the guy a chance. You'll all be choking on your sausage when he turns Newcastle into the great club it should be !!.

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  • 145. At 11:05am on 27 Sep 2008, nevergo2sundrlnd wrote:

    Joe Kinnear coming in short term is a good thing, yes I would love it if KK was back or El Tel was given a min 6mnth contract... But short term and he (JK) is under no illusions that it is anything but, this has to be good for a team with no manager and effectively no directorship.. From what I remember of him he seems he has the right frame of mind to take over here and pull the team and fans together. A good manager would come in and just let them play the way they were playing at the end of last season.. And as for NUFC being a laughing stock, has Chelski not been through a similar process a huge take over followed how many managers? Well 3 in the last yr!!!
    Then theres ManU, ManC, Liverpool and if you look carefully at the gooners Wengers classy football is papering over some very large cracks...! -lets just get on with it!!

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  • 146. At 11:06am on 27 Sep 2008, Buriman wrote:

    I'm sorry but I'd just like to make my point. As an ex Wimbledon fan,now AFC Wimbledon fan, I would like to say my bit about Joe Kinnear. He kept Wimbledon up for a few more years than they should have been there. He nicked points here and there and got a bunch of lads to play footie as a team. It is no coincidence that we went down soon after he left .He created team spirit on the pitch. Training was,as quoted by many players, enjoyable and a good laugh.

    Newcastle need points. It has been proved that they cannot play exciting football at the moment. Hoddle, Venebles and Co would have been no good. The man will grind out a good draw against play and will even get 3 points when all looked lost. If he is in charge for 8 games, as mentioned, I think he will bring in the region of 12-15 points. Newcastle need points first and foremost. I think they will now get them.Give the man a chance.

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  • 147. At 11:07am on 27 Sep 2008, oliviawilk wrote:

    I think Phil McNulty must remember back a fair way if he imagines a Joe Kinnear who will relish the task
    His tenure at Forest saw him fall out with the fans and the local press - I know as I was one of them - big style
    I have never seen a bloke react as badly to a bit of stick and he was made more ill by the moderate pressures of managing Forest than was good for anyone
    By the end of his spell really I feared for his health and was relieved for him when he resigned
    Someone shouldhave had the good sense to tell him notto go anywhere near Newcastle. Hopefully his spell there and the already-low expectations will be so brief that an likeable, chirpy man will not suffer any undue stresses

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  • 148. At 11:19am on 27 Sep 2008, eric the mighty wrote:

    I would think that Kinnear's low status in management is all that people should focus on.

    Newcastle United could not get a credible manager, and so have resorted to a manager they could get.

    Given Kinnear's patchy career, and his recent exile from football, it is not hard to imagine newcastle players who have ambition looking for the exit asap.

    Ashley seems to have mistaken a premiership football club for an out-of-town discount sports shop, with cheap labour running like headless chicken at his every word.

    Big mistake. It will end in tears.

    After Kinnear, where can Newcastle United go for their next manager?

    The Conference?

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  • 149. At 11:37am on 27 Sep 2008, AWAYTHENOCK wrote:

    I reckon Kinnear might surprise a few people. good luck

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  • 150. At 11:48am on 27 Sep 2008, Andy wrote:

    Why have all the mums in Newcastle called the new born children Keegan? Cause they all walk after 8 months...

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  • 151. At 12:05pm on 27 Sep 2008, Terry_Nutkins_QED wrote:

    It's nice to see all the non-NUFC fans taking notice of the goings on at the Toon. Not a big club? Why are they all so interested?

    Good luck Joe!

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  • 152. At 12:10pm on 27 Sep 2008, fakz_89 wrote:

    A club like Newcastle should be aiming for the top, forgive my dis-respectfulnes but the new appointment although temporary is not going to acheive this. Newcastle need a world class manager and soon...I fear they will be playing in the second division next season.

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  • 153. At 12:35pm on 27 Sep 2008, Cravingawin wrote:

    Kinear is a scrapper and a fighter and he'll get Newcastle playing as a team. I don't think his perceived lack of knowledge of the modern game is a negative. His experience and feel for the game is just what the barcodes need. A good appointment IMO

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  • 154. At 1:02pm on 27 Sep 2008, TheRBman wrote:

    Ashley's short-term gamble?

    You really have missed the bus here McNulty. This is no gamble, Ashley is following through with his statement about getting out of the club and letting someone else clear up the mess that is Newcastle. Well Newcastle will get what they deserve, whether it's Nigeria, Middle or far East. Why do I get the feeling that after not too long they will be wanting an actual Newcastle fan in charge of the club?

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  • 155. At 2:05pm on 27 Sep 2008, ilcuprense wrote:

    I have no axe to grind with JK, even though I do not understand why he took the job. No one (so far) appears to have mentioned that Luton Town were relegated (from the third tier) in 2001 while Joe was manager. Joe, however, seems to have forgotten this incident - see today's article in The Times and the quote attributed to him. Did he really think no one would pick up on this??

    As for Kevin (The Messiah) Keegan, the line from The Life of Brian comes to mind; " there is a mess all right but no messiah" (or words to that effect!)

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  • 156. At 2:44pm on 27 Sep 2008, Goonerview wrote:

    It's nice to see all the non-NUFC fans taking notice of the goings on at the Toon. Not a big club? Why are they all so interested?


    @151, we are not interested BECAUSE they are a big club, we are interested because the situation is so shambolic that its funny!

    When I get stressed out at work, or feel tired from life,... I log on, look at the news and piss myself laughing at Newcastle Utd

    I think you will find most of the comments on here are just thorwing around a bit of friendly (and I must say, very humorous) banter!

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  • 157. At 3:56pm on 27 Sep 2008, albvey wrote:

    Why do you all keep saying 'the only way is up' or that things can't get any worse?
    Ashely may not be able to sell, results continue to slide, the best players join Milner in leaving in January and they get relegated.

    There's a long way to drop from here. Fan power will get what it deserves - no manager wishing to enter the bear pit of SJP and given 10 games to turn it round before fans start abusing him for 'not knowing what he's doing'. Newcastle fans expect football somewhere between Barcelona and 70s Brazil all but in reality are just a middling Prem side and have been for years. No decent manager wants the baggage that comes with the Newcastle job: the compulsory Geordie roots or instant scepticism, the self created myth of their attacking playing style and the unthinking belief in their own importance.

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  • 158. At 7:03pm on 27 Sep 2008, collie21 wrote:

    I am having a laugh at everyone knocking Kinnear and what he has won. Especially since players of the ilk of Given and Duff and yeah Owen who had been the greatest in their respective positions at one point in their career, have show a distinct lack of ambition by remaining at a club that has won nothing, will win nothing and like them is starting to look pretty sad trying to be what is isn't. Sure the problems go to the top but at the end of day it's about the 11 on the field and they are not good enough and never have been. It's time the fans starting putting blame where it belongs

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  • 159. At 10:05pm on 27 Sep 2008, geordiespinner wrote:

    What is it about Newcastle that gets supporters for the other 91 clubs in the football league so excited?

    I think it might be they're all hoping that our scriptwriters will be hired to spice up the regular soap operas on TV - at least I hope the last 4 weeks or did I mean 40 years has just been a nightmare dreamed up by a refugee from BBC

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  • 160. At 03:43am on 28 Sep 2008, el-nino84 wrote:

    Newcastle fans you only have yourselfs to blame.

    Everytime you have a few bad results go your way your straight on the managers back demanding he gets the chop. This happened with big Sam... you could't give him a chance could ye even know he did it with bolton ... oh no you lot want instant success he had a few bad results and you all got him the sack. Its been happenin for years no wounder shearer wont go near the place.

    Now ye have the mighty Joe Kinnear in charge, you have forced out another owner and your sat 2nd from bottom... who said fan power was dead aye?

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  • 161. At 1:56pm on 30 Sep 2008, clidbury (CTID) wrote:

    Newcastle haven't been a big club for years.

    It amuses me how the Newcastle fans call themselves the most passionate and loyal in the country. Yet they can't seem to show up when the going gets tough. They were protesting for Mike Ashley to sell the club, and now that he has put it up for sale. They STILL arn't happy.

    The fans throw their toys out of the pram when someone who isn't a Geordie rumours to be coaching the club (don't get me wrong, I'm all for English managers in the prem), but I can't see how Newcastle can be too picky considering the current circumstances of the club.

    It's understandable why any manager wouldn't touch this club with a barge-pole.

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  • 162. At 3:55pm on 30 Sep 2008, trash_the_tabloids wrote:

    So it's us, the Fans, who are to blame, is it?

    We force out manager after manager? Sorry, I thought Keegan resigned because he disagreed with Ashley and Wise.

    No Southerners? Didn't hold Rob Lee or Malcolm MacDonald back. And, contrary to a certain BBC report, Steven Taylor was born in Greenwich, not Whitley Bay.

    Southerners who act in the best interests of the club are welcome. However, Mr Ashley has shown over the past few weeks that he expected first and foremost to make money out of Newcastle United.

    Big club? Meaningless phrase, bonny lad. Clubs either win things or they don't. Chelski were struggling to be considered as one of the "big six" (as they were) in 2000. Then Mr Abramovich came along. Do clubs become big overnight? I don't think so.

    We expect to win things immediately? Why are we still following The Toon after 40 years of pain?

    What we expect, or hope for, is some sign that the club is going in the right direction. Those who criticise the sacking of Big Sam, for instance, obviously didn't sit through the utterly clueless, hopeless and lifeless performances served up by the team during his tenure.

    In contrast, let's look at Newcastle's first three league games:
    1. 2-2 at Old Trafford. A well-deserved point in a fixture which saw us ship six goals last season.
    2. 1-0 at home to Bolton. A side we have found very difficult to break down in recent years.
    3. 3-0 loss at the Emirates. A reality check to be sure, but nothing like the dismal surrenders of previous years.
    So four points out of three games from which we would probably have got one point or none in previous seasons, certainly under Big Sam or Souness.

    Is it really our fault if we feel that the best manager we've had for years is marginalised by this collection of carpetbaggers? One of which is on record as saying that Kev had the final say regarding who come and who went?

    Perhaps some of you slackjaws who obviously support other clubs would like the "continental model" of a Director of Football + Team coach at your club?

    Thought not

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  • 163. At 4:04pm on 30 Sep 2008, trash_the_tabloids wrote:

    1-1 at old Trafford. D'oh!
    Still my point stands

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  • 164. At 4:28pm on 30 Sep 2008, will wrote:

    in case you missed it first time....

    I still reckon it's not a real appointment, and some journalist just overheard Mike Ashley saying "It's a joke in 'ere"

    that sums it up perfectly.

    sorry joe

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  • 165. At 07:59am on 01 Oct 2008, clidbury (CTID) wrote:

    Winning things immediately? When was the last time Newcastle actually won something?

    Other than the Intertoto cup on 2006 and champions of the 2nd division in 92/93, the last time they won something worth mentioning was the FA Cup back in 1955.

    Hardly enough to be be calling them a "big club".

    Let's face it, the Premier League is a 3-or-4 horse race. Almost becoming as bad as the SPL.

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