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Thursday 4 November 2010

Verity Murphy | 11:53 UK time, Thursday, 4 November 2010

A tube strike, a fire-fighters' strike to coincide with Bonfire Night, and another strike rather closer to home...

As we head into the kind of public sector belt tightening which has in the past been characterised by widespread industrial action, will it be three strikes then everybody out, or has union power dissipated to the point where the threat of a winter of discontent no longer exists?

Tonight, we'll be discussing what happened to worker solidarity with guests including one of the BBC's last industrial correspondents, Nick Jones.

We also have a film from Sue Lloyd-Roberts about how democratic the upcoming election in Burma is likely to be.

Travelling undercover, posing as a tourist, Sue secretly meets a monk who was a senior leader in the Saffron Revolution and is now in hiding in a monastery in Mandalay.

She also talks to satirical cabaret performers, who use traditional folklore to lambast and attack the junta, and three women known as The Three Princesses, who are all childhood friends and key allies of detained NLD leader Aung San Suu Kyi, but who have nonetheless decided to ignore her call for an election boycott.

Also, as more and more of us share personal data online, how important is it that we have the "right to be forgotten" from sites like Facebook or Google? The European Union has today unveiled a strategy document calling for new rules to give citizens more control of their online personal data.

We will be discussing the impetus behind and practicalities of web users seeking to disappear from the internet with technology expert Dr Aleks Krotoski and philosopher Dr Anders Sandberg.

PS PLEASE NOTE THAT DUE TO INDUSTRIAL ACTION, NEWSNIGHT WILL NOT BROADCAST ON FRIDAY. THE PROGRAMME WILL BE BACK AS NORMAL ON MONDAY.

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  • Comment number 1.

    QUESTIONABLE DEMOCRACY - WHY TRAVEL TO BURMAH?

    Our May General Election was riddles with impropriety - most of it unaddressed. When the far-from-defensible result was declared, our 'generals' did a deal, over the heads of - and in denial of - the electorate.

    BRITISH BURMAH CORPORATION?

    I have apprised the BBC, and posted here, and contacted official bodies, and informed MPs, of a major UK election transgression - the Conservative 'liar flyer'. IT IS OF NO INTEREST - APPARENTLY. Perhaps I should try an appeal to Burmah?

  • Comment number 2.

    It's called Myanmar, not Burma!

  • Comment number 3.

    "We are also looking at the recent and upcoming strikes and what they tell us about the state of solidarity among UK workers..."

    And we'll be treating as sacred text some new "research" carried out by the TUC.

  • Comment number 4.

    #1

    Does it have an appeal, the 'generals'' deal?
    While thinking about it, I shall be doing a peel feel.

    mim
    who who does enjoy an occasional kneel

  • Comment number 5.

  • Comment number 6.





    Response to ....

    34. At 08:48am on 04 Nov 2010, tabblenabble02

    Were I - self assessed of course - to be considered a little cynical about such things I might be tempted to ask ....

    Are you really suggesting that the Tsunami isn’t on it’s way ....

    It’s already here!


    As might ‘Cheerless from Chingford’ well ask ......

    “And what are the Westminster Jolly Boys going to do, I ask you!”

    “Harrumph!”

    The - current No 10 - response would undoubtedly be the song from “Fiddler on the roof”

    (As an aside .... “Fiddler on the roof” ......Just how appropriate is that for a show title with regard to modern politics? Smell smoke anyone?)

    The song ....

    Oh yes, the song ....

    “I’m reviewing the situation ...”



    And ....

    Response to ...

    38. At 09:54am on 04 Nov 2010, ecolizzy:


    Forgive me ‘ecolizzy’ for attempting to correct your post from yesterday but ....

    We haven’t been ‘Q’ .... giving most of the jobs away.....‘UnQ’ .....

    They’ve been ‘selling them off’ for decades!

  • Comment number 7.

  • Comment number 8.

    #6

    Songs for sale? Oh, what a tale!
    Fiddler on the roof? Oh, what a spoof!

    #5

    Whatever you might think, whatever you might say,
    Warming of the globe is here to stay
    With no expectation of a total peace
    But nevertheless here's a heart and a kiss
    To those willing souls prepared to console
    The I'll, the abused, the young and the old.

    mim

  • Comment number 9.

    Disappointed to see the BBC rolling over in the face of pressure from Bob Geldof and others over diversion
    of aid by the Meles faction of the Tigrayan People's Liberation Front in the 1980's. Shameful too that brave
    Aregawi Berhe who had the courage to stand up in a Central Committee meeting of the TPLF in 1984 trying
    to oppose this move appears to have been castigated by Geldof and BBC executives for lack of objectivity in
    bringing these concerns to the attention of Martin Plaug of BBC World Service who prepared the programme.

    No specific allegation was made about Geldof and/or BandAid by Dr Aregawi or the programme and instead
    of throwing a wobbler Sir Bob should perhaps have gone out and read the PhD thesis and listened carefully.
    I suppose it is now too much to hope for but if the charge is now one of 'insufficient evidence' will the BBC
    and Sir Bob now perhaps ask President Meles of Ethiopia to release the tapes and transcripts of the Central
    Committee meeting in 1984 where Aregawi and others voiced their concerns - before they were all purged?
    And will the BBC investigate the allegations that famine victims were forced by hunger to flee into Sudan???

    This story is not over. Investigation may be politically inconvenient for close allies of the Ethiopian President who served alongside Blair, Brown and Geldof on the Africa Commission - which called of course for greater
    transparency and fearless investigation in rooting out aid corruption in Africa. But when called to account it
    seems that even the most saintly are prepared to make common cause with their mates in kicking the BBC?!

  • Comment number 10.

  • Comment number 11.

    Yo #2, it is called Burma.

    If you call it Myanmar that means that you support the military junta.

  • Comment number 12.

    anyone read Humphrys on China?

    there was one telling statement in his piece

    ..But nor, interestingly, did most of the ordinary people I've been talking to seem terribly interested in western-style democracy. Not even a group of extremely bright young students, some of whom have spent years studying in foreign countries, including Britain.

    Yes, they thoroughly enjoy their new freedoms and they want political reform to continue. And they also want their country to keep growing richer.

    And so long as the Communist Party continues to deliver all that, they don't particularly see any reason to look for a different system...

    yes they are war with us not over ideas but our wealth. which might seem odd for western minded communists. but the east have a different psychology. westerners think tanks = power. east thinks money =power. that is where they are fighting and winning. make someone poor and it doesn't matter what they think.



  • Comment number 13.


  • Comment number 14.

    SICK TRANSIT GLORIA DUBYA

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/George-Bush-Former-US-President-Still-Feels-Sick-When-He-Thinks-About-Iraq-And-The-WMD/Article/201011115793004?f=rss

    So Dubya says he felt sick about 'no WMD'. He will feel a lot more than sick, when the truth of 9/11, as a false flag operation, CAN NO LONGER BE DENIED.

    http://buildingwhat.org/

    Oh - it's all getting awfully close to come-uppance time.

  • Comment number 15.

    ALL IN THIS TOGETHER: NOT

    What does he mean

    And when we hear of UK investments, what are these, Government investments or private sector investments, and what have the latter to do with the UK when you really think about it? Most of the time we fool ourselves about knowing what we are reading about. When a lot more of Britain's industry was in public ownership it made sense to rally behind the flag, but now that it's nearly all been sold off to private sector interests, often, foreign owned, it doesn't, does it? Yet people continue to talk AS IF, and the biggest AS IF is as if the government has a say in what the private sector (e.g. financial services) do.

    Remember the battle with Soros in the early 90s? But who battled?
    Thatcher and co brought the likes of him about surely? It was all in aid of people like him. How was it a battle? It may have been a battle for public support given what those anarchists had done. Look at the TEA party today, have they any idea what they are fighting for? They seem intent on putting themselves out of work.

  • Comment number 16.

    'British' terrorists - note the problem with class reference?.

    There should be far more critical analysis of class (reference) abuse by NN (and by readers here). Failure results in muddles and madness.

  • Comment number 17.

    AND WHAT WILL OUR TONY DO THEN - POOR THING? (#14)

    Will he make haste to this country and admit his part in the Iraq war?
    Notice I do not say "APOLOGISE". There has been too much apologising in recent time. Inept institutions (such as banks) apologise. It is easy. And let's have no more: "I did what I thought was right." That doesn't wash, when a million are in the streets telling you that you are wrong.

    No - I predict Tony will: 'Hide in the lie, to keep himself warm, and hide his head right up his 'wing' - poor thing.'

    But look! WE HAVE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE!

  • Comment number 18.




    How ironic ......

    The first and last paragraphs of the above primer!

    Oh well, I’ll miss the programme tomorrow but understand the reason.


    Moving on .....

    Why a report from Burma?

    Surely there are ‘stories’ here in the UK that might deserve a ‘thorough, incisive, in-depth, impartial’ report?


    For example ....

    The debacle that is the oversight of nursery care in this country.

    Anyone that has witnessed the ‘old’ inspection against the ‘new’ will know that it - the present approach - is even less than a “box ticking” exercise. .....

    It is a ‘Time Sheet ‘ approach.

    Little is investigated with the consequence that little is ‘discovered’ perhaps because this approach leads to the ‘desired’ outcome. i.e. ‘Nothing seriously wrong here, mate!’ i.e. ‘No further LEA funding input needed’ i.e. ‘We - the inspectors - are doing our job and look good’ That which is reported is usually trite, circumspect and shallow. From this comes an inspection report that quite often relies heavily on the value of good ‘word-processor’ software. And from that summary comes the the future prospects of many young people.

    Add the above to the reduction in the number of inspecting officers (How many of them have recent ‘classroom’ experience?) and you have an ongoing downward spiral

    On the same issue of ‘nursery care’ ....

    How about looking at the disparity between ‘private’ and ‘local authority’ nurseries with particular regard to staffing experience, quality and qualifications. How many ‘profit motivated’ nurseries use the bare minimum, in numbers, of staff whom have low grade qualifications subsidised by ‘trainee’ or ‘unqualified’ staff?

    How about a detailed report as to why there are so few males in childcare, and primary education. and the resultant effect on child development?


    Looking at ‘things’ another way perhaps we all might benefit from ....

    Having a story on Burma!




  • Comment number 19.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 20.

    Guess who drives the freedom (deregulation) movement in pop culture too?

    Anything to keep Big Government at bay, even if they do work for Big Government. Confused? Just join the Tea party (or work in Wall Street/Madison Avenue or The City) - just don't expect any stability, just volatility - fun fun fun..


    "11. At 6:39pm on 04 Nov 2010, Murray wrote:
    Yo #2, it is called Burma.

    If you call it Myanmar that means that you support the military junta."


    Does that mean that anarchists/bankers self-identify by referring to it as Burma whilst statists/terrorists ('traitors?) refer to it as Myanmar?

    Does one have to earn over 48K not to be a statist (traitor)? (same as not being in the top 10% of tax-due payers). That should keep 90% of the population in check eh?

    PS. See intensional opacity vs 'transparency'


    12. At 6:52pm on 04 Nov 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

    "yes they are war with us not over ideas but our wealth. which might seem odd for western minded communists. but the east have a different psychology. westerners think tanks = power. east thinks money =power.
    that is where they are fighting and winning. make someone poor and it doesn't matter what they think."


    You clearly don't understand a) 'mind' b) or the nature of communism.
    Most Western 'communists' were in fact anarchists (Trotskyites). Eastern communists are Fabian Socialists (Stalinists). They latter hate the former (anarchists) as they rightly see them as capitalist shills.


  • Comment number 21.

    Well 2 strikes on Bonfire Night & Divali too ;o) not bad at all.......

    Isn't it obvious, that no money = no power? :p

    I look forward to the Krotski & Sandberg interviews on individuals being able to control their online data. It's about time too!



  • Comment number 22.

    The 'cobra' would be much better off
    If he begged to be switched off.
    Or ishallbdeal with him myself
    In my own 'sweet' way.
    The whole thing is simply absurd
    Invented by a toad or by a nerd.

  • Comment number 23.

    20. At 8:08pm on 04 Nov 2010, tabblenabble02 wrote:

    12. At 6:52pm on 04 Nov 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

    "yes they are war with us not over ideas but our wealth. which might seem odd for western minded communists. but the east have a different psychology. westerners think tanks = power. east thinks money =power.
    that is where they are fighting and winning. make someone poor and it doesn't matter what they think."

    You clearly don't understand a) 'mind' b) or the nature of communism.
    Most Western 'communists' were in fact anarchists (Trotskyites). Eastern communists are Fabian Socialists (Stalinists). They latter hate the former (anarchists) as they rightly see them as capitalist shills.

    ----------------------------

    I have travelled much in the far East and lived with/worked with far East Asians. It's a totally different culture to our own. It is a true socialist culture. The far East Asians have no concept of self being above the group (as we have in the West). The group is far more important than the individual. e.g. it's why they wear face masks when an individual catches a cold, they want to protect the group.

    Far East Asians have high respect and care for their elders. We just want to fleece our elders in the West (caveat emptor).

  • Comment number 24.

    Correction: "(same as being in the top 10% of tax-due payers).".

    It's all terribly contrived to keep us befuddled and free (uncertain about our jobs/futures = free?).

  • Comment number 25.

    Ref No. 2: "It's called Myanmar, not Burma!"

    What natives choose to call a country (or a town, for that matter) is normally irrelevant. Nobody but English speakers call England "England" after all. Should we stop using the word "Germany"? I'm sure we all know of peole who have been to Krung Thep Mahanakhon for example (that's it's "proper" name).

  • Comment number 26.

    "They seemed genuinely baffled by my insistence that the ultimate freedom is the freedom to throw out the people in power if you don't like them.

    "You do that in your country all the time," one of them pointed out to me, "and it doesn't seem, to make much difference. What we want is stability - and that's what we've got.""


    John Humprys 4 Nov

    Think Old Labour post 1945 and you have some idea what the Chinese are talking about here. As to dissidents, it's regarded as subversion to undermine socialism, that in the Constitution. Think about this, it is!

    Freedom as we have it just means instability, 'Trotskyite Permanent Revolution, lack of governance. That's great for the small number of people making money out of consumers (think Tesco and its shareholders etc), but not for much else, see our birth rate - it shows that freedom is killing us across the liberal-Democracies, now that's biologically unfit

  • Comment number 27.

    13
    ..The majority of economic migrants come from mainland Europe..

    where amnesty for illegals is rife.


    there are plenty non white people about in trading. If you want access to an emerging market who better to employ?

    If you want someone good at maths to run your algo then the uk has an abysmal record of training enough of such people. Much better to get an indian or chinese person.

  • Comment number 28.

    20

    the reality of modern chinese communism is the pursuit of money by any means. In a zero sum game for them to get rich they must make us poor.

    QE is to create 'demand' to put money into the economy for... mainly chinese goods that are 40% cheaper through their currency manipulation. So there is likely to be a correlation between the chinese surplus and the amount of money that is put in through QE.

    our debt must increase to increase the growth in their surplus.

  • Comment number 29.

    Did anyone else listen to Eddie Mair, Radio 4's PM programme anchor/presenter, rip the Tory MP for Watford - Richard Harrington to pieces on the radio this afternoon?

    It was a masterclass.

    Small wonder that most politicians refuse to be interviewed by him. His brain is twice as fast and usually three steps ahead of the average dunderhead MP!

    His interview of Vince Cable yesterday was superb too!

    He is far better than Paxo!

  • Comment number 30.

    @ Debt #29 - I DOUBT that :p

    Interesting debate by Jeremy on solidarity in unions etc being dead. It's true, people have mortgages etc and no-ones into protesting anymore.......

    Loved the debate on internet privacy...... :p those pictures of X off their face will continue to haunt them for the rest of their lives.....but then everyone else has the same pictures too.......

  • Comment number 31.

    #29

    They are different, that's all, but although we too are different I am much better than you and that's in many different ways. Just ask around, including in high places, and if people are honest with you, you'll get the appropriate answer.

  • Comment number 32.

    #11

    he IS a juntist

  • Comment number 33.

    #11

    he IS a juntist

  • Comment number 34.

    27

    "If you want someone good at maths to run your algo then the uk has an abysmal record of training enough of such people. Much better to get an indian or chinese person."




  • Comment number 35.

    27

    "there are plenty non white people about in trading. If you want access to an emerging market who better to employ?"

    Most investment banks have carbon trading desk, so that means they are eco-friendly as well?

  • Comment number 36.

    #34

    'Clever right', are you sure you're bright?
    You'll never get the target you've been 'seeking' for years.
    Into my salads I've been putting apples and pears
    But I shall never let you my concoctions to taste.
    Although I’ve never had formal training in cooking
    Having learned everything while working
    Some of my dishes can sometimes be yummy
    That’s not just what I think myself
    Having been told so by many.

    mim

  • Comment number 37.

  • Comment number 38.

    BUT MANGLISH ISN'T ESPERANTO (#35)

    I have been wrestling with Santander recently, encountering all kinds of Manglish. It leaves me wondering if speakers of one sort of Manglish are better placed (brain-configured) to decode another sort? Does Mumbai ever have to liase with Scauseland or Scotland? That could start a world war, faster than any Franco-English co-operation might compound (confound?) it!

    'Send three-and-fourpence, we're going to a dance.'

  • Comment number 39.

    BUT WASN'T THE EURO A PROBLEM PRECISELY BECAUSE IT WAS UBIQUITOUS? (#37)

    I don't follow this stuff - probably just as well. But when 'money went bad', I thought I heard tell that the single currency, installed across many nations of Europe, was a cause of grief to some? Did I get that wrong?

    Be that as it may - nothing else with the 'global' tag works - why shuold global money? This is, surely, just another male prize? Big is best, loud is lovely and Tony is tremendous.

    Oh - it's all going awfully well.

  • Comment number 40.

    #39

    A change of heart, singie? I thought you were and spoke for the small ones?

  • Comment number 41.

    #37

    Hello dolly, the dollar is falling?
    How about the Pound, will it from it gain?
    Or are things likely to settle?
    I knew quite a few young people training in Seattle.

    mim

  • Comment number 42.

  • Comment number 43.

    Burma

    The Republic explains why tyrants are the most unhappy of people in fear of everyone.

    BBC News Strike

    Is it not a concern that BBC news journalists do not understand that they are striking for a ponzi pension scheme that depends upon its existence upon ever higher license fees from the public? Or if they do how wicked is that?

  • Comment number 44.

    THE BIGGER PICTURE

    Put European countries in here, beginning with Russia. Then put in the PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain) in. Then think how recent low skilled immigration and the skewed birth rate here will have short and long term effects given the genetic basis of most abilities. Think bigger picture rather than what is most immediately obvious. An economy is a function of its people, even a highly skewed economy. It is at this top (elite) end that the dearth hits most. Note in the pyramids that its just a matter of delay for most?

    Anyone (preferably sensible) feel up to answering the questions posted on Paul Mason's blog? With evidence (numbers) please. Also the follow up one..

  • Comment number 45.

    "The moral of this story was that once you obtain public assets, even through bribery, it is yours, at least if you make the transaction complicated enough and involve enough “innocent parties” to make any restoration of the status quo ante hopelessly complicated."

    Michael Hudson Sept 2008

    The above is worth a read. Strikes about public assets being used to compensate those who did what exactly? How much of this counts on 90% (or more) of the working population being clueless whilst some amongst the 10% of risk takers being rewarded for little more than white collar psychopathy?

  • Comment number 46.

    #43

    You must be, then, one of them jaunty, that is very, very unhappy, and something tells me it's going to get much, much worse.

  • Comment number 47.

    How strange that some blogs are open, and others aren't.

  • Comment number 48.

  • Comment number 49.

    THERE IS STRANGE AND THEN - THERE IS STRANGE (#47)

    Woah Sis! THIS blog has long had that strangeness that passeth all understanding. Meanwhile, the Blogdog refuseth to pass some posts in ways that also . . .

  • Comment number 50.

    #49

    'Strangers' i'n the night exchanging glances
    I wonder if it has anything to do with fancy,
    While for others it's mere finances?

  • Comment number 51.

    #48

    'Strange leaflets'?
    I'm saving beautiful leafs for my real sisters,
    Young, elderly and those of my age
    I might even wave to them one day from a wooden stage.

  • Comment number 52.

    Why does the BBC send its intrepid reporters to places and then ask people who don't know what is going on important questions about their countries? Does the BBC go onto sink estates in the UK and ask the people there how the country is run and why?

    Surely people at the BBC know that not all people are informed and not all countries are the same in terms of their populations. That is, in some countries, even the more educated people are not all that bright.
    This shows up in PISA data and all sorts of other measures if one bothers to go looking. Why doesn't this sink into the heads of those at he BBC and elsewhere? Is it because they think that if they can't grasp something it simply is not the case? Some countries in the world have cognitive ability levels akin to children, and authoritarian governments are there to manage them in their best interests so that national assets are not plundered by foreign predators. Why is that so hard to grasp?.They are their countries' regulators. Gate-keepers. These freedom and democracy hawking do-gooders are sent in to cause trouble so predators can move in later.

  • Comment number 53.

    YOU MIGHT SAY THAT - I CAN FIND NO OFFICIALDOM (OR MEDIA) WHO COULD POSSIBLY COMMENT (#49)

    You see, Lizzy, The Representation of The people Act WAS NOT WRITTEN BY THE PEOPLE but by Westminster, thus its primary aim is to protect them from us. You will notice Woolas v Watkins amounted to two POLITICIANS having recourse to High Justice. Not exactly 'the people' getting a fair crack, is it? Further, The Act addresses (IF AT ALL) the Conservative 'liar flyer' under Section 115 while Woolas, calling Watkins names, comes under 106. Good 'ere innit?

    Fortunately, I am taking on the 'liar flyer' as a MATTER OF FACT, that can easily be proved outside any court of law, and without wasting police time. Some legal precedent would be nice - I understand a dozen or so other challenges are being made? Sadly, Crikey prefers tittle-tattle to electoral False Instruments. But he's dead edgy - going forward.

    Thanks to ConDem chicanery (5 years of 'fixed Nick' - a reward for dumping his followers?) I have another 4.5 years left to seek a definitive, authoritative, ruling on the truth or otherwise of: "THE CONSERVATIVES MUST WIN HERE TO STOP ANOTHER 5 YEARS OF GORDON BROWN".

    That could prove to be a long time in politics!

  • Comment number 54.

    Paul is head of the NN union chapel. Will he have them outside with placards chanting "We want ponzi pensions. When do we want them? Now"? Is this the day the workers 'take power'?

    Here's a talking point for the comrades on those long nights around the braziers

    ..part of a seminar on Usury in 1987. False Growth in the Credit-Based Economy.

    This [financial] system is not in the best interests of the people, and this is recognised by the financiers themselves. There is a letter from the Rothschild Bros. to the firm of Ikleheimer, Morton and Van Der Gould (25 January 1863) in which John Sherman (future Secretary of the Treasury of the USA) is quoted as saying:

    "Those few who can understand the system will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burden without complaint and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

    http://bewley.virtualave.net/credit.html

    so we not only have the communists saying capitalism must fall we have the islamic scholars too?

  • Comment number 55.

    THE YELLOW PERIL STRIKES AGAIN! (#54)

    I have a feeling you have said, in a few words, what epic poet Paul Mason fails to say in thousands, Jaunty. But what do I know?

    "When do we want them (ponzi pensions) now!" PRICELESS. And for everything else there's plastic debt.

    I bet cake is on offer at Tesco.

    Oh - it's all going awfully bogof.

  • Comment number 56.

    AND THERE'S MORE (#54 link)

    "The function of money is to separate buying from selling and thus enable people to trade without needing to have recourse to direct barter - like trading goats for wheat and the like. Money is therefore a medium of exchange and, by extension, it is also a unit of account so people can keep track of what they have more easily."

    WHAT GULLIBLE IDIOT WROTE THAT? HANG ON . . .

  • Comment number 57.

    WHAT HAPPENED THERE? (#54 link)

    "The function of money is to separate buying from selling and thus enable people to trade without needing to have recourse to direct barter - like trading goats for wheat and the like. Money is therefore a medium of exchange and, by extension, it is also a unit of account so people can keep track of what they have more easily."

    SOUNDS LIKE HANDY STUFF TO HAVE. WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

  • Comment number 58.

    #54

    Do you mean budgy bee workers?

  • Comment number 59.

    Despite ten bob fat cat global warming promoting BBC journo's going on strike today the BBC still had better live coverage than SKY of the concrete mixer running off a bridge in Surrey and hitting a train. To be honest I can't really see any difference in BBC news coverage today, perhaps all those who struck today could be sacked, nobody is essential and perhaps the new faces could do it far cheaper and far less biased.

  • Comment number 60.

    ok lets have our own Newsnight. everyone bring one story that should be on the 'people's NN'

    clearly we have to give Mr Watson something to do so


    an islamic site had to take down a list of MPs who voted for iraq war [even though its in hansard]

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/05/islamist-website-iraq-war-list-mps

    so the uk based pro israel idf sites inviting uk citizens to join the idf to extend the occupation are not inciting law breaking but only the islamic site is? Both are inviting to 'jihad'?

  • Comment number 61.

    NEWSNIGHT WITH JAUNTYCYCLIST

    9/11 Family Group Releases TV Ad Calling for World Trade Center Building 7 Investigation

    New York City - The NYC Coalition for Accountability Now (NYC CAN) is launching a television ad campaign on Election Day in New York City calling for an investigation into the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7, the third building to collapse on 9/11. Building 7 came down at 5:20 in the afternoon although it had not been hit by an aircraft.

    The ad, which is entitled “BuildingWhat?” and can be viewed at BuildingWhat.org, will air 350+ times from November 2 through November 10 and is estimated to be seen by millions of viewers in the New York Metropolitan Area, reaching core target audiences multiple times. NYC CAN’s goal is to generate public pressure on the New York City Council to open an investigation into the destruction of Building 7, which until 9/11 housed the City’s Emergency Operations Center, also known as “Mayor Giuliani’s bunker.”

    “We’ve been educating the City Council about Building 7 and the need for a new investigation for the past six months,” said Bob McIlvaine, father of Bobby McIlvaine and one of the 9/11 family members who appear in the ad. “We are asking them now to do something about it.”

    Patricia Perry, mother of NYPD officer John Perry, opens the ad saying, “Most people don’t know that a third tower fell on September 11th.” Footage of Building 7’s destruction begins to play while other 9/11 family members explain that 1,200 architects and engineers have examined the evidence and disagree with the official report issued by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), which concluded that office fires brought down Building 7. This would mark the first and only time in history that fire has caused a steel-framed skyscraper to collapse. The ad closes by asking viewers to go to BuildingWhat.org to learn more.

    The “BuildingWhat?” campaign is also being sponsored by the group of architects and engineers referred to in the ad. According to their website, www.AE911Truth.org, they now number 1,346 verified architectural and engineering professionals who have put their professional reputations on the line to publicly voice their disagreement with NIST’s findings.

    “The most irrefutable evidence is the free fall descent of the building,” said Anthony Szamboti, a mechanical engineer in the aerospace industry. “You can’t go from zero movement to free fall acceleration instantaneously without an external force simultaneously removing all of the columns in the lower part of the building. If the upper structure has to do any work crushing what’s below it, it’s going to slow down.” According to Mr. Szamboti, NIST acknowledges in its report that the building underwent free fall, but it does not explain how.

  • Comment number 62.

    NEWSNIGHT WITH JAUNTYCYCLIST

    Barrie Singleton is inviting all posters with linguistic pretensions (or even skills) to define circumstances of time, place and voter choice, under which the statement: "THE CONSERVATIVES MUST WIN HERE TO STOP 5 MORE YEARS OF GORDON BROWN" can be declared true.

    Should the strike be called off - Newsnight will hastily ship in Grender, Finkelstein and Hyman to give vacuous party-slanted, indefensible views that skate all round the obvious. More likely - the assertion will just be ignored.

  • Comment number 63.

    News of the day....

    :p Phil Wollas gets barred from the Commmons for 3 years
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/8112536/Labour-minister-barred-from-Commons-for-three-years.html

    :p Labour had already planned to cap housing benefits
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3213110/Ed-Miliband-red-faced-

    Ah, the whiff of hypocrisy is so strong tonight!

  • Comment number 64.

    NEWSNIGHT WITH MISTRESS 76 UK

    Phil is just sooooo Westminster, along with Mandelson, Hain, Warsi, Harperson, et al, ad infinitum. The rotten barrel of Westminster attracts its own apples, and should a shiny example of uncorrupted integrity, wander in by chance, it is 'turned' like a ring-wearing Hobbit.

    While Westminster's citadel stands un-breached, Britain stands indicted in the mattter of integrity.

    SPOILPARTYGAMES

  • Comment number 65.

    #62

    I don't know whether you skate yourself, singie, but I do know you keep churning out the same old stuff again and again, going round in the most of obvious circles. Is it 'essential' for you to keep doing so like it seems 'essential' to the BBC DG to have made a final 'offer' to so many of the BBC employees. That's largely I ever watch the programme any more, because of its 'essentiality'.

  • Comment number 66.

    #60

    How about something on cycling round and round in toxic circles in which you and singie seem to specialize??

  • Comment number 67.

    This serious stuff now:

    I wonder whether the strikes might not lead to either the DG's reeination or dismissal from his 'seat'? It seems to me, and this has been a very concern of mine for quite a few years, that MT, by indulging one or two 'bloggers', might be responsible for quite a few tragic, if not downright lethal, catastrophies, personal, political and public.

    Monika, who does not hide, prepared to be 'punished' for speaking her mind

  • Comment number 68.

    #67 a couple of corrections

    I should have written 'resignation' & 'catastrophes'

  • Comment number 69.

    60. At 7:26pm on 05 Nov 2010, jauntycyclist wrote:

    "so the uk based pro israel idf sites inviting uk citizens to join the idf to extend the occupation are not inciting law breaking but only the islamic site is? Both are inviting to 'jihad'?"


    Seriously - Yes, but you really do have to take on board that some Israelis, thousands of years ago, wrote a book which created a God for them, who told them that they were his Chosen People, and that everyone else was expendable, or to be used for their benefit

    See Goldman Sachs etc. Their CEO does God's work.

    There's no arguing with that, and if you do, you'll be led to believe that there's something wrong with YOU. That's really how narcissists operate. They are special, and everyone else isn't. It's really as simple as that, but the big problem is, it's untreatable.

    What is one to do? take this very seriously, I am not joking.

  • Comment number 70.

    More bad new for the BBC ponzi pension scheme ?

    Don't forget to click on the comments ( currently 40 )

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/11/the_green_bubble_is_about_to_b.html?ref=nf

  • Comment number 71.

    #67 addendum

    Re: The dg and catastrophe

    Interestingly, I've just found out that I'm not the only one to have used the word 'catastrophe' in relation to MT:

    In late 2007, Thompson's directorship at the BBC was criticised. Sir Richard Eyre, former artistic director of the National Theatre, accused the BBC under Thompson's leadership failing to produce programmes 'that inspired viewers to visit galleries, museums or theatres'.[15] He was also criticised by Tony Palmer, a multi-award winning film-maker. Of the BBC, Palmer stated that "[it] has a worldwide reputation which it has abrogated and that's shameful. In the end, the buck stops with Mark Thompson. He is a catastrophe."[16]

    - taken from Wikipedia FREE Encyclopedia

  • Comment number 72.

    I would like to take this opportunity to thank the mods of this blog for staying on station to allow various posters share a variety of news, and views equally, such that readers can share in the information and views presented and come to their own conclusions accordingly.

    It was just a 24hr blip, but 'normal' 'news' service has already been restored.

  • Comment number 73.

    Please extend your industrial action for a couple of years. Life is much nicer without you.

  • Comment number 74.

    HEAR HEAR (#72)

    I add my thanks to those of Junkkmale above. Even the Blogdog crossed the picket line do drag my post off - however briefly. (I suspect they scattered!)

    As for the pension fund: cut the expensive 'son et lumiere' presentation and 'curruption junkets' (to foreign lands who don't do it half as well as we do) then put all the money saved into the pension.

    You've all done very well!

  • Comment number 75.

    Just back from watching the news on SKY (this can happen when folk are required to look elsewhere - luckily no funding was harmed in this move), and the inevitable CUTSSSS! story and associated tales of woe.

    It featured the poor city of Stoke (I think), and focussed heavily on how the major burden was to fall in children's services. Which seems awful. And has, by recollection, been played out on the BBC on occasion too..

    Now, I know that, probably due to CUTSSSS! in other industries (such as journalism, where income needs to be directed first to pension maintenance to compensate for poor management and investment policies), reporting is more via press release, but what might be nice is if plucky media pros delved a bit deeper into why, of all areas, kids' services would get hit first and so hard, and who made such decisions.

    I, for one, would get a little vexed to find that council fatcats were throwing the vulnerable out first to make a point with the connivance of lazy MSM types more keen on playing to the gallery than asking hard questions.

    Or maybe they're just working to an odd set of rules.

  • Comment number 76.

    #73
    why bother watching the BBC then or do you have to keep tabs on what's going on as it might affect your personal life or something inconsequential like that?

  • Comment number 77.

    Fancy Newsnight having been replaced by a programme about Lord Kitchener. I wonder whether it was the DG's or mr table's idea? Can anyone please provide a few clues?

    Not that the real Lord would have had anything to do with the persistent abomination of this sort, that is of him being used for the sake of the 'game'.

    The fact that the 'game' is being played has even been officially confirmed by the new Labour Leader, Edward Miliband, in his first PMQT. I heard it with my own pair of ears.

    Monika

  • Comment number 78.

    Newsnight, gave a platform to this contrary to the fact rhetoric. Spot anything wrong, or just a little strong on 'narrative' and weak on reality? Even the authors do, not that that stops them. These dreamweavers cause more trouble than they realise. Can you see how?

    "(SALARY TO ATTRACT THE BEST) Start Date: May 2011 (earlier if possible) School opens September 2011 (subject to the business case and funding agreement being approved by the Secretary of State for Education) Most people say it can't be done. An all ability secondary school that asks every child to learn Latin and do at least eight academic GCSEs or IGCSEs? Impossible. That expects every pupil to tackle the International Baccalaureate and go on to a good university? Absurd.

    That takes children from the very poorest backgrounds and gives them the confidence and ambition to take on the world? Stop dreaming. Over 1,000 local parents and teachers in ******** think it can be done. We believe that any child, no matter what their ability, can access an academically demanding curriculum provided they're taught in the right way. This requires a thorough knowledge of best practice, a familiarity with the latest academic research and a willingness to innovate and experiment.
    It requires a core of outstanding teachers, devoted to constantly improving their own and their pupils' performance. Above all, it requires you - a visionary leader willing to take on the challenge of a lifetime."

  • Comment number 79.

    75. At 10:27am on 06 Nov 2010, JunkkMale wrote:

    "I, for one, would get a little vexed to find that council fatcats were throwing the vulnerable out first to make a point with the connivance of lazy MSM types more keen on playing to the gallery than asking hard questions."

    Note how you still think that reference to your psychological states is important. It isn't, sadly. The massive con in our culture is to traffic in that domain, whilst those who get on know very well that none of it matters (just opinions they say, not truth-functional, so they don't even count in slander/libel). The con-men even have people thinking that it's important whether politicians and bankers apologise....

    Look very closely at language and verbs.

  • Comment number 80.

    Nothing personal and whether Barack Obama is aware of my existence or not, though I suspect he might be, but I do think that he is a great and a special person, as well as a wise politician, especially now after not having done all that well in the recent elections and me having watched him how he is coping with the situation, making a brave effort to pull the USA out of the crisis he's inherited from the previous American government.

    mim

  • Comment number 81.

    @ Mim #80 - he is the WORST US President since Carter. Not only did he failed to acknowledge Pakistan's involvement in the Mumbai terror attacks at the Taj Hotel (where he is staying at a cost of US$200million per day at the US taxpayers expense), he has also failed to do anything about the victims of the Bhopal Disaster (caused by Union Carbide) where countless numbers died and few compensated, yet he held BP to ransom over a tiny leak in the Gulf which cost Britain billions. He's taking a hammering in the mid-terms, but not as much of a hammering he will get at the next elections.......

  • Comment number 82.

    ANY MAN WHO SELLS HIS SOUL AND THEN BELIEVES HIS OWN WILD ORATORY, SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO LEAD ANYONE, AND WILL ARRIVE NOWHERE WORTHWHILE.

    Obama is one such, and Britain - would you believe it - has installed Destiny Dave. You might think, after Towering Tony, we would learn!
    WE HAVE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE!

  • Comment number 83.

    81. At 6:30pm on 06 Nov 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:
    @ Mim #80 - he is the WORST US President since Carter. Not only did he failed to acknowledge Pakistan's involvement in the Mumbai terror attacks at the Taj Hotel (where he is staying at a cost of US$200million per day at the US taxpayers expense), he has also failed to do anything about the victims of the Bhopal Disaster (caused by Union Carbide) where countless numbers died and few compensated, yet he held BP to ransom over a tiny leak in the Gulf which cost Britain billions..."


    "The Factcheck.org website pointed out that the US war in Afghanistan, which involves 100,000 troops, costs about $190m a day."

    Guardian on the story

    Please tell us, if you still do it, what sort of law you practice?

    As to Bhopal,it was 26 years ago - and what do you think Obama has to do with it?

    Finally, you do appreciate that the USA isn't a dictatorship any more than China is?

  • Comment number 84.

    @ Tabblenabble #83 - My personal life is PRIVATE and is none of your business. Secondly, while the US demands (and receives) compensation for anything, it does not practice what it preaches, and has denied the Indians who suffered in the Bhopal and compensation whatsoever. The US wouldn't even allow the Americans of Union Carbide be put on trial.....
    Finally, the US is an empire in decline. I far prefer China.

  • Comment number 85.

    #81

    You have the right to your opinion, and so do I. Besides, I never said what kind of position Obama holds on any competitive scale and whether he is the best of all the USA Presidents and anything silly like that, especially that he hasn't yet served his full term of 4 years.

    It seems to me that what Simon Schama said about BO leading with his velvet gloves the other night is quite right and perhaps sometimes he might benefit from being much more outspoken and critical of his oponents but he is the way he is, calm in adversity, searching for the right solutions on many different sides and not losing the sight of what jobs need to done to help the American citizens, how to deal with the economy crisis on the global scale and how to handle international relations.

    If you had access to all the current world leaders, most of them would probably have to admit that they appreciate him as a politician. The Russians have definitely said so already.

  • Comment number 86.

  • Comment number 87.

    Corporate Nazi plans to undermine the minimum wage ?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11704765

  • Comment number 88.

    "84. At 10:54pm on 06 Nov 2010, Mistress76uk wrote:
    @ Tabblenabble #83 - My personal life is PRIVATE and is none of your business."


    Except when it suits you to bring it up in the past it would seem.

    "Secondly, while the US demands (and receives) compensation for anything, it does not practice what it preaches, and has denied the Indians who suffered in the Bhopal and compensation whatsoever. The US wouldn't even allow the Americans of Union Carbide be put on trial....."

    A difficult matter of jurisdiction. In much the same way our Health and Safety laws don't apply when our troops are off base abroad.

    "Finally, the US is an empire in decline. I far prefer China."

    But why is it in decline? Might it be because of people peddling libertarian ideas like you? The Chinese aren't too fond of anarchists, and in China, females have far less of a role in running things than they do in the West. The Chinese are still essentially Stalinists too.
    That's not exactly the ideology which one would expect you to have been sympathetic towards given your posts to date, but then, consistency and logic doesn't seem to have been very high in your list of values. Or are you changing?

  • Comment number 89.

    #88

    Fingers crossed, table, if Mistress76uk is undergoing change, it's not in your direction.

  • Comment number 90.

    Ecolizzy

    You mentioned a dolly in one of your posts yesterday morning so I thought I'd post a translation of a song sung by an extraordinary Polish singer, Violetta Villas sometimes called 'A Doll' and sometimes 'A mechanical Doll' which you can see and hear on utube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeJJ9s5NT50

    The translation is mine. It could probably be improved but I need to be careful about time, needing to get on with my practical life:

    Mechanical Doll

    lyrics – Agnieszka Osiecka, music – V. Villas

    You want to play with me again as if I were a toy
    Again you want to hear my voice.
    I know they call me a doll
    Such then must be my dole.
    They’ve put on me beautiful clothes
    I’ve been taught two things to say.
    Well, ladies and gentlemen,
    I’m for you a mascot mere.


    But I, I have a couple of hands that are tender,
    But I, I have a heart that’s true, not a pretender.
    I dream of beautiful gardens
    And am not ashamed of my tears.

    You who lie without words
    You have eyes without tears.
    Although you live surrounded by flowers
    Your homes are empty and heartless,
    While I’m supposed to bring you big cheers
    And serve under your feet,
    I know your lives are empty and tame,
    I know a silent game most of you play.

    You say to me ‘lead a life like other girls do,
    Live a life full of dreams and delusions.’

    I know songs in green meadows
    I know the flight paths of seagulls
    A hundred of moons up in the sky.
    I know chats in hot summer nights
    I know secrets of young pairs in love
    Though I do not yet have your one.

    I know crowds in the street
    I know paths of white clouds
    And a hundred of fragrances in fresh bread.
    I have more than one golden shawl
    I’ve been to more than one ball
    But you, you are not yet by me.

    Rpt

    I know that my time will appear
    And know you do not believe in my tears.
    Well, I’m not likely to convince you, big liars,
    But I know it’s you who are the mascots.

    Monika

    and a Wikipedia portrait of Villas:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violetta_Villas

  • Comment number 91.

    On Tuesday 2nd November, the Telegraph published an article on Fathom Consulting calling for QE to be used to buy 'bad mortgages'

    "Britain is in danger of creating a generation of "zombie households" that plunge the economy into a Japan-style lost decade unless policymakers take radical action to fix the banking system properly, a leading economic think tank has warned.

    "Many British households 'are being kept afloat by near-zero interest rates, which can not last forever' Photo: GETTY In a paper published on Tuesday, Fathom Consulting has urged the Treasury and the Bank of England to join forces and create a new "bad bank" to buy lenders' worst mortgages in a bid to "unblock" the credit supply.

    Outlining unprecedented policy measures, Fathom said the purchases should be done through a second round of quantitative easing (QE).

    "Put simply, [banks] have lent too much money against assets that have fallen in value, and those losses have to be fully recognised. Until they are, the economy will not be free to move forward," Danny Gabay and Erik Britton argue in the paper."


    I repeat the questions which I have raised in both Mason's and Flanders' blogs. What does the class term 'household' actually refer to?

    Is this a shell game with the term household playing the central role?

    [In passing, the problem with self-centred behaviour is that the self-centred, whilst well-groomed, rarely have time or inclination to look beyond how the world impinges upon their immediate (and thus necessarily limited), interests. That's also what happens if one's world view is orientated primarily towards looking good, or luring a mate.]

  • Comment number 92.

  • Comment number 93.

    #91

    Talking of 'beyond':

    I once knew a man who left me a note in my pigeon hole at London University which said he'd see me when he came back from behind the beyond, or something to this effect. When he did come back from Turkey, he never bothered to explain what his note had meant. I waited for quite some time for him to tell me but he never did. If I saw him in the street now, I might not even recognise him and think that this or that bloke might be him and it so happens, in fact, that I do see quite a few similar looking guys who seem to spring up almost out of nowhere /from the beyond probably/ with almost an astonishing frequency, not only in the streets but also in the media and on the internet.

  • Comment number 94.

    #93 addendum

    What is a household? It seems to me that it is a house where people live together, preferably in agreement rather than being at one another throats day and night.

  • Comment number 95.

    #92

    Thank you so much, Mistress76uk. It looks like Mr Sopel is making a good recovery. Should you wish to see a message I've sent him, it should be available on-line for you to read it.

    mim

  • Comment number 96.

    Busy bees , anybody?
    Why don't you have a tea in peabody?

  • Comment number 97.

    I think someone might comment on this article...

    America will survive the errors of Ben Bernanke's trigger-happy Federal Reserve
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/8115903/America-will-survive-the-errors-of-Ben-Bernankes-trigger-happy-Federal-Reserve.html

    'America is a resilient nation, with far healthier demographics than China, Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy or Russia. The storm will blow over.'

    ‘In the end, America is a resilient nation, with far healthier demographics than China, Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy, or Russia. The storm will blow over just as it did after President Nixon closed the gold window in 1971, smashed the Bretton Woods system, and let the dollar go to hell.’

    --------------------------------------

    What does he mean?...he doesn’t expand on the demographics point. Is it just the case that the US will simply have more consumer growth?

  • Comment number 98.

  • Comment number 99.

    #93 addendum

    mister, are you like Calder?

    [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]

  • Comment number 100.

    #99

    The Mods have suppressed the link that I attached to the post which I found in 'Liberal England' by Jonathan Calder and to whom I replied with the following ditty:

    Although it’s good to see Jeremy called Steerforth
    I’m not so sure about the conclusions put forward
    By you, Mr Calder.
    It looks like you’re confusing bacon with beacon
    As the future of the UK needs to be made brighter
    And not run by doggies, piggies and jealously greedy.

    mim

 

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