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Friday 9 April 2010

Verity Murphy | 17:03 UK time, Friday, 9 April 2010

Here's Kirsty with more of what's coming up:

We're working on a lead story for tonight - so until the programme my lips are sealed on that one. But we're hoping it will be a humdinger.

We also have one of our election campaign delights, Friday Night at the Marginals.

Over the next few weeks, our political Editor Michael Crick will be prowling around some of the most hotly contested constituencies in the UK.

Tonight he's in Luton South where the Labour MP Margaret Moran is standing down after a bruising encounter with the party's NEC over her parliamentary expenses.

Michael will be teaming up with Emily Maitlis who'll be at an arts centre in the town with 80s crooner and local boy Paul Young, Sarfraz Mansoor, who is similarly attached to Luton (though not by his vocal chords) and others to find out what they make of the first week of the campaign and examining the big issues for the town.

Join us at 10.30pm on BBC Two.

Here is what we are planning for tonight's programme:

With the election result so uncertain, and talk of a hung parliament still in the air, David Grossman reports tonight on tactical voting.

Plus it is the first of our "Friday Night in the Marginals" broadcast from a marginal seat - Emily Maitlis and Michael Crick are the lucky duo being despatched to Luton.

They will be looking at what is happening there and back across the events of the week - joined by a panel including journalist Sarfraz Manzoor and 80s crooner Paul Young.

More details later.

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  • Comment number 2.

    Blimey!...I'm surprised the GO1 hasn't been on here yet ranting about the 'evil' BNP!

    You just know its going to come soon.

  • Comment number 3.

    What would be helpful to the electorate, just to put this pantomime into perspective, would be to cover how the Chinese elect their local politicians, their Deputies, and so on up their pyramid, and how people subsequently comply with directives to make a workable society. Perhaps Paul Mason could cover this? One might have thought that Michael Crick would cover such matters, but he doesn't. Instead he seems to cover anarchistic bubble minutiae.

  • Comment number 4.

    How does this happen? I could explain, but I'd probably have to complain about my post. Others can look back through the archives or just look at the evidence for Field Medals in maths, and real contributions to physical science/engineering aka reality management.

    People might become alarmed if they knew just how prevalent this type of cognitive behavoiur is amongst human females.

  • Comment number 5.

    Will David Miliband not rebuke Obama?

    He was calling for a tougher stance against Russia and Obama responds not only with a new Start treaty but also calls Medvedev his friend and "resets" the relationship.

    Was Obama not in the loop?

  • Comment number 6.

    If , as an example, Chilcott found out some very embarrassing things about the road to the Iraq war and Labour had clung to power would a fixed term Parliament mean that though they wanted to resign they could not for constitutional reasons?

  • Comment number 7.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 8.

    As all of the parties try to save money and so on will there be any analysis of how PFI has performed in terms of value, debt and whether we could buy our way out of the deals and save money?

  • Comment number 9.

    #2 debtjuggler

    "Blimey!...I'm surprised the GO1 hasn't been on here yet ranting about the 'evil' BNP!"

    Well I would have thought that even BNP supporters would be calling the "other" BNP faction evil.

    Griffin went to the police saying his comrades were .... thinking of killing him.

    That was a very hurtful thing to do and I am sure that Collett who has professed an admiration for Hitler must have thought that Griffin was not coming up to scratch and responded with typical National Socialist beastiality.

    For onlookers its not a surprise as the whole notion of the far right is basically one of power grabbing and replacement monarchism.

    But you don't need the inverted commas as the BNP are evil as you can deduce from their rants about Jews and other people of race and "anarchists" and Hitler and the Holocaust and some seventy million people dead in WWII.

    So the people of Barking and Stoke who "don't like politics" should be looking at the Collett/Griffin feud and consider is this the exception or the norm.

  • Comment number 10.

    #3 statist

    "What would be helpful to the electorate, just to put this pantomime into perspective, would be to cover how the Chinese elect their local politicians, their Deputies, and so on up their pyramid, and how people subsequently comply with directives to make a workable society. Perhaps Paul Mason could cover this?"

    Perhaps they will all have a Lederhosen night (though I am sure that is not a Nazi symbol) and consider was Hitler a "peace lover"; the Holocaust "was made up to put people off statism" and WWII was just a spat between people who are basically "statists".

    People who froth at the mouth can be so amusing were it not for their subject matter.

    But the thing about democracy is it renews itself whilst those who are inclined to National Socialism look at the Collett "Solution" to the BNP leadership as opposed to a mature debate.

    Anyway cheer up its a full moon soon.

  • Comment number 11.

    1. flicks Good link. Read the 25 Points and think of what they were trying to deal with back then, and compare it with now. This is what many want to avoid. Some never learn from history. Some are unable to learn from experience in this way because they don't care about anyone but themselves. Some are psychopathic. People need to be protected from such predators.

  • Comment number 12.

    On hung parliaments my only real worry is that should we run into an early debt default scenario with Greece whilst negotiations are still going on with the parties that they may be forced into a quick and bad deal.

    But perhaps it could be agreed to have a National Government until they have weathered the new storm.

    Meanwhile paying attention to the people who nearly crippled the economy, the financial markets, and apparently are quite content to run the same rapids again would not seem sound.

    I think the public would not be swayed by the people who failed to see the crash coming.

  • Comment number 13.

    WHEREVER I HANG MY PARLIAMENT THAT'S ITS HOME

    The Palace of Westminster has been HOME to some of the most shameful sham democracy, for far too long. With its feudalism and rituals and connivances, it is a monument to hypocrisy and corruption.

    Nothing sort of its disruption, defeat and dissolution will put this country on a firm footing. We must pack enough INDEPENDENT MINDS into that disgraced place, and bring it to order. No ultimate good will come from Westminster as it is currently configured.

    First it will be necessary to: SPOIL PARTY GAMES.

  • Comment number 14.

    #1

    Andrew Maguire's emails :-

    http://www.gata.org/node/8466

    Historic Id say.

  • Comment number 15.

    There's no point naively saying to oneself that 'people don't do that', as whilst most people don't do that, some people evidnetly do, as that's how 'business' works. Sadly, some people will conspire to short a commodity or stock in order to drive the price down, in order to secure controlling interest over a sector at rock bottom prices. That's how a small group can, and does, get disproportinate control over an economy. Regulators are supposed to stop this..... they haven't...

    In this election we are merely being offered three different packagings of the same unhealthy system.

  • Comment number 16.

    Is buy-to-let dead as a force that may start another housing boom and contribute to a new cycle of boom and bust?

    How are the parties going to manage the property sector once, or if, the economy starts to boom?

  • Comment number 17.

    Will it all get terribly exciting with the BNP now that they have warring factions?

    Will they "tool up" and "go the mattresses" or will it be just be the Dog and Duck and a traditional post closing time fist fight?

    I wonder how much of Griffins problems with his ranks revolves around his refusal to let them wear uniforms and carry natty little flags?

    Gosh the drama.

    It will be interesting to see whether the BNP factions affect the next English Defence League gathering as one or both factions may have an interest in consolidating power and foot soldiers with no real interest in what the issues are but in the violence might be valuable.

    Still as I said above there will be a full moon soon so they will probably try to resolve their problems by then so that they can all get together and have a good howl.

  • Comment number 18.

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  • Comment number 19.

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  • Comment number 20.

    #11 statist

    "Some are psychopathic. People need to be protected from such predators."

    So is the BNP's Collett psychopathic and is that why Griffin went to the police?

    "Some never learn from history."

    If "some" try to argue that the Holocaust was made up and Hitler was a peace lover then some will never learn from anything.

  • Comment number 21.

    today i got a letter and a 'pledge card' from gordon.

    immigration is mentioned a lot. he wants rising skills not rising immigration.

    lots on 'fairness' [which is pure nihilism]. A society based on fair rules and fair chances. try unpacking that one in a country with a hereditary monarchy that dominates the law in their favour through the national oath, national anthem, the only person allowed to own land [all we have are rights of use e.g freehold is not ownership but a right of use], treason laws that gag free speech etc.

    nothing on afghanistan, written constitution, no explanation how patronage of the jnf squares with human rights [so no fair rules, fair chances for palestinians in gordon's world?],etc

    he says we can get in touch via the gordonbrown org website. we learn the answer to cricks and others shouting at him

    ..I find that when I’m speaking with people on the campaign trail they ask questions that are rooted in their own experience of public services or the recession, and the conversation starts from there. That, of course, means not every question is friendly and sometimes you get heckled or shouted at as you might see on the news. That’s life – it’s all part of making politics accessible to the people it is supposed to serve. ...


    there are a lot of different gordon brown websites out there.

  • Comment number 22.

    14. flicks The problem, surely, is whether anyone in a position to do anything about this, also considered it illegal (and not just venal)? Furthermore, how, for instance, would the whistle-blower know whether the regulator was not be in the process of collecting evidence? How do the regulators deal with this? How do they define market-manipulation? Have you looked at the legal side? How much is currently being inferred from mere acknowledgement of receipt e-mails? Isn't this one of the reasons why there is a move to try some cases without jurors etc?

  • Comment number 23.

    #15 statist

    "That's how a small group can, and does, get disproportinate control over an economy. Regulators are supposed to stop this..... they haven't..."

    Hey thats what Von Bruun, a former American Friend of the BNP, thought when he tried to kidnap a Fed member because he believed in a Jewish hegemony!

    Then he went on to shoot a security guard at a US Holocaust Memorial and I believe awaits trial.

    Perhaps though if the regulators haven't "stopped this" maybe there is no evidence that there is anything to stop.

    Thats radical isn't it.

    Conversely maybe some people should put up and take their "evidence" to the authorities or shut up.

    Maybe a "small group" extend their influence via satellites in space and maybe the only protection is a tin foil hat to stop those brain waves getting to you!!

    Run to the kitchen!!!

  • Comment number 24.

    ...the war in Afghanistan where British soldiers are being killed and wounded, and which is costing some £5bn a year, is not appearing anywhere on the agenda of any of the main parties....

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/08/election-2010-afghanistan

    there is even less about the new 'churchill's choice' policy of dumping democracy and human rights and working through the tribal system and leaving them to sort out their own blood letting.

    The trouble with the FO is spend enough time in Carlton house with its pictures of empire glorification and people start to think they are walking around in togas?

    now all pretence at 'nation building' is gone time to bring the troops home which will, according to academic research, make the uk safer.

    afghanistan- heart of darkness, mind of madness.

  • Comment number 25.

    21

    ..I find that when I’m speaking with people on the campaign trail they ask questions that are rooted in their own experience of public services or the recession, and the conversation starts from there....

    so where should the conversation start?

  • Comment number 26.

    FAIR STOOD THE WIND FOR FARCE (#21)

    Well put Jaunty. Just another indication that SUCCESSFUL (did I just write that?) politicians are totally dissociated from everything but self-advancement and power. They have no notion that some of us can decode the soundbites, and even SEE THE WIRES!

    We should get some sort of counselling and compensation on the NHS.

  • Comment number 27.

    #22

    I think this is so massive its beyond regulation. Its about saving fiat money otherwise we have total disaster. Its fraud but its also about saving a delusion - fiat money. Therefore there will be no regulation. This brings profound moral questions.

  • Comment number 28.

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  • Comment number 29.

    In the Independent:

    'Lord Adonis adds: "In Labour-Tory marginals, a vote for the Lib Dems is a vote which helps the Tories against progressive policies. And in Labour-LibDem marginals every Labour MP returned is a seat in the Commons more likely to put Labour ahead of the Tories and therefore better placed to form a government."

    Lord Adonis is silent on what Labour supporters should do in seats where the main battle is between the Tories and Liberal Democrats. '

    Labour are against the progressive policy of PR and will hold up AV as a mirage.

    Is this all to do with Ed Balls problems with a possible Portillo moment?

    (Independent) "Mr Calvert, Conservative candidate in Morley and Outwood, in Yorkshire, who owns up to be a "cheeky" character, thinks he can pull off a similar shock this year, by defeating Ed Balls, the man Gordon Brown would most like to see as his successor."

    Clegg is not happy with the back door overture to his voters and ' The Conservatives are likely to use any sign of anti-Tory tactical voting to undermine Mr Clegg's party, warning voters they would be "playing with fire" and that backing the Liberal Democrats could result in, "another five years of Gordon Brown" '

    Myself I would say Labour don't deserve another five years as their record is one of absolute national disaster.

    If the Tories did a deal on PR - though they probably can't swing it in time - then I would say take the Tory deal and be distinct from your partner so that you can be judged for what you are.

    Besides with Labour its like Blair, WMD and which argument they feel they need to deploy.

    Biased though I am I still expect the Labour vote to slide.

  • Comment number 30.

    #27 flicks

    "This brings profound moral questions."

    So why are you debating with the amoral statist and why are there ALWAYS allegations but NEVER any supporting facts from the far right?

    Because there are none.

  • Comment number 31.

    27. flicks 'I think this is so massive its beyond regulation. Its about saving fiat money otherwise we have total disaster. Its fraud but its also about saving a delusion - fiat money. Therefore there will be no regulation. This brings profound moral questions.'

    Maybe, but that's not the way that Liberal-Democracies work. These operate by rule of law where the laws protect business and individual human freedoms. If the law doesn't explicitly proscribe behaviours, then they are legal. Morality doesn't come into it, as it is illegal to infringe people's Human Rights etc. Do you see what I am saying? I don't think many people fully understand this. That's how the system works. It abuses people's naivety and lack of understanding of the political system they live under. Some, of course, say that's precisely what's good about it. People can make free choices they say. That's why such (right-wing libertarian) people don't like the empirical evidence about the true nature of diversity where many people function like grown up children and need protection by the state because of how they are physically made.

    We live in an anti socialist society. Most don't see the relationship between that, ASBOs and crime etc. It's the price of economic anarchism, and that's all the 'choice' you'll get next month, i.e. economic-anarchist soft centres, with red, blue or yellow wrapping.

  • Comment number 32.

    #26 barriesingelton

    "Well put Jaunty. Just another indication that SUCCESSFUL (did I just write that?) politicians are totally dissociated from everything but self-advancement and power."

    Whereas UNSUCCESSFUL politicians like COLLETT, according to his BNP party leader GRIFFIN, threatened to kill him necessitating police action.

    Did he threaten to kill Griffin because there was a "D" in the day or because he felt he would do a better job?

    "self-advancement and power" = replacement monarchism = National Socialism.

  • Comment number 33.

    Attempt on Maguire's life :

    http://www.youtube.com/user/drutter

    morals ?

  • Comment number 34.

    #30

    I take your point gango and appreciate what you do on here. In no way am I associated with the far right. The issue is massive fraud and the stability of fiat money in the above posts. Am well aware of Jaded_Jean/Satist views from long ago.

  • Comment number 35.

    Mediocracy: How It Works:- The idea seems to have long been to shape/corral all three main parties towards the centre so that nothing much is ever done to impede the interests of business, and the electorate (consumers) becomes so disenchanted with politics that they effectively give up in despair or just ennui. Any statist parties in the meantime are vilified, that's how the corraling works. There are activists everywhere to do just that. This effectively leaves politicians answerable to those who fund them, i.e business. Legislation is then debated and enacted which facilitates their interests at the expense of the public/consumers. Whatever happens, you see less as less Governance, i.e less and less Public Sector/Services. This inane talk about differences between parties is just the cynical process of wearing the public down.

  • Comment number 36.

    34. flicks 'I take your point gango and appreciate what you do on here. In no way am I associated with the far right. The issue is massive fraud and the stability of fiat money in the above posts. Am well aware of Jaded_Jean/Satist views from long ago.'

    Are you sure?

    Are you sure that you really know what right-wing extremism is, or are you perhaps only aware of what you have been led to believe right-wing extremism is? What is that psychological agenda? Might it be a subterfuge?

    The parties which some keep mis-describing as right-wing are by any operational definition, socialist parties. The right-wing deregulates, i.e it minimizes governance in the interest of the free market and free enterprise. These are the people who encourage speculation and GDP growth form capital, exactly the opposite of the statist regimes of the last century. There's no point appealing to what most people say. Most people believe in lost of daft things, including astrology. Most people are pretty badly educated. Is that the sort of society you want. Do you want the mob to decide how we are all governed? That's what the right-wing want. They want anarchism. They've got anarchism.

  • Comment number 37.

  • Comment number 38.

    37. flicks She's just helped New Labour contine their hit job on Parliamentary Democracy. Can't you see that? New Labour wanted Regional Asemblies, i.e devolution as with NI, Scotland and Wales. Now they talk of RDAs. These are all about the size of an EU NUT (6 million). It is all part of the erosion of power of the UK state. Anarchism or Balkanization = globalization. Power to the markets, and those who control industries etc. It is not power to people.

  • Comment number 39.

    ..Thousands of Afghanistan troops face missing election vote.

    ..Some of the other Western countries with forces in Afghanistan have taken special measures for voting from the country to take place in their elections. The Canadians had sent out poll boxes with enough of a time gap to ensure that votes would not be delayed and US troops will vote on the internet during the mid-term elections later this year....

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/thousands-of-afghanistan-troops-face-missing-election-vote-1940522.html

    it not like the govt didn't have enough time to see this coming? yet they still bungled and failed?

    If the Uk FO must play empire then should they not have some slave holding the laurel wreath stand behind them saying 'remember thou art only a man'?

  • Comment number 40.

    I've just secured a deal with C4. They were impressed with the pilot. It airs live next week mon-fri 10.30pm. The format is similar to Newsnight. A news and current affairs prog with a twist, keep your eyes out for it..its called 'hang the buggers'.
    Guest will include Tony Blair and failed bankster Fred Goodwin.

    Mod. cleaning that up has killed it.

    I think I've told you this before but I have this uncanny ability to see the future. You Know how the media are talking up the Cleggster as king maker..well it ain't Clegg the Lib who'll be kingmaker...it'll be Nick the Griff.


    something for GO1 to chew on there.

  • Comment number 41.

    BBC’s ‘Where They Stand: Guide to party election policies’
    (If you don’t want real change?)

    Searching for some unbiased info to compare what the parties really stand for, I turned to Auntie and found the following:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8515961.stm#subject=key&col1=conservative&col2=labour&col3=libdem

    This site sets out comparisons under ‘Key Priorities, Economy, Race Relations & Immigration, Afghanistan & Defence and Crime’ for the 3 main parties, but zilch on any other parties.
    I offered BBC my comment:

    “You state “the BBC includes any party that has announced it will field candidates in at least one-sixth of the seats in any nation of UK’.

    Why that cut-off; why not 10%? This arbitrary criteria could suggest rigging at worst and discrimination at best. Does the BBC not want voters to be FULLY informed of options and opportunities for change, having agreed that the major parties have destroyed the public’s trust and faith, and have all overseen many catastrophies.

    I cannot find a site, BBC or otherwise, that list the number of candidates proposed by each party; please advise source.

    Will you be updating your guide as required - for minor parties reaching your one-sixth criteria, and to add any significant new additions to manifestos (promises)?”

    I’m still looking for a site that enables a full and frank comparison that is free from any patronage. Perhaps ‘WHICH’ will bring out one of their Best Buy guides?

  • Comment number 42.

    Meanwhile no one is mentioning the economic situation in Greece which is spiraling out of control, I highly suggest reading the stories from today on Zerohedge-

    http://www.zerohedge.com/

    Greece is going the way Argentina did in its economic collapse, after the PIIGS go down how long before we do? Will Britain fall apart without a fight or are we going to stand up like in Kyrgyzstan, another revolution that is not being televised here perhaps because it might give people ideas about what fate our 'leaders' should face.

  • Comment number 43.

    The politicians seem very keen to hear the views of the Electorate

  • Comment number 44.

    What would Omar do?

  • Comment number 45.



    I've just recently secured a deal with C4. They were impressed with the pilot. It airs live next week mon-fri 10.30pm. A news and current affairs prog with a twist, keep your eyes out for it..its called 'hang the buggers'.
    Guest will include Tony Blair and failed bankster Fred Goodwin.

    Mod. Cleaning that up has killed it.

    Words removed were: Mass, Murderer and ********.

    I think I've told you this before but I have this uncanny ability to see the future. You Know how the media are talking up the Cleggster as king maker..well it ain't Clegg the Lib who'll be kingmaker...it'll be Nick the Griff.

    something for GO1 to chew on there

  • Comment number 46.

    Me @45
    its that good I put it up twice.

    Anyhow, on a different note and more importantly, I've not seen the Wark for a while so I'm looking forward to tonights edition of NN.

  • Comment number 47.

    Under the Conservative party plans not to replace public sector workers when they leave their jobs... what happens on May 7th?

  • Comment number 48.

    Done it again, sorry! this ain't my laptop.

    Turbojerry@42

    They are reporting the Greece story, just not on the lame stream news. Russia Today TV is far superior than the BBC et al. And the internet is making the established news outlets almost irrelevant. Thankfully many are waking up to the BBC sky etc filtered reports and story avoidence.

  • Comment number 49.

    #41 Indi look at your link again! ; ) If you look there is a drop down arrow, ALL the different parties proposals are there, amazing! ; )

  • Comment number 50.

    Well NN mentioned nice fluffy Greek things, for those that haven't been reading Zerohedge here are the main points-

    More Bad News For Greece: Bailout Rate Now Rumored At 6% For Up To 3 Years

    Fitch Downgrades Greece To BBB-

    Greek 3 month bonds at 21% interest.

    Someone big is panic selling 10 Year Greek bonds maturing on April 20, 2010, ie. betting Greece will default within the next 11 days.

    Greece Proceeds To Make Bond Shorting Impossible.

    So Much For Austerity: Greece Has Already Overspent In Just The First Two Months Of The Year.

    The worlds largest bond fund PIMCO Compares Greece To Titanic, Says Bonds Not Attractive Even Over 7%

    S&P Threatens Greece With Downgrade If Bond Spreads Are Not Quickly Reduced

    Largest foreign exchange fund FX Concepts' John Taylor: "The Economic Reality Will Eventually Destroy Greece And Europe"; Warns Of Civil War

    Goldman Sachs On Greece: "Could Turn Into The Endgame"

    Oh and NN mentions a bailout, they didn't mention it has to be agreed with all the Euro Zone countries and Merkel will not agree as she is facing elections on May 9 and 80% of Germans are against lending Greece anything.

    Though my favourite recent posting is not about Greece-

    The Greatest Shell Game Ever Continues As The Whole World Is Now Insolvent; Updated Thoughts From Chris Martenson On The Upcoming US Funding Crisis

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/greatest-shell-game-ever-continues-whole-world-now-insolvent-updated-thoughts-chris-martenso

  • Comment number 51.

    42

    be aware zerohedge is ignored by serious players. markets don't necessarily act for the reasons zh suggest. i find him a bit hysterical.

    one must always be suspicious of some 'free' financial news blogs. they maybe talking a book.

    you will find euro ended with a good bid.

    watch what the markets actually do not what the pundits who do not trade or are failed traders gone into blogging say they will do.

    but you are correct there is massive financial ignorance in the uk media. which is why they spotted nothing in the first place and prefer stories of personal gossip.

  • Comment number 52.

  • Comment number 53.

    #49

    It is very well done, Ecolizzy.

    Plus, I thought the way you set out your views the other day on the Muslims and their customs here and in their own countries was very good.

    mim

  • Comment number 54.

    WHAT A CONSUMMATE MESS (#52 link)

    And still the media play PARTY GAMES with obfuscating politicians.
    By the time the street-fighting breaks out in earnest, and emergency measures are taken by whichever ill-equipped ninny is at the top of Westminster's pathetic heap, IT WILL BE TOO LATE.

    I would guess history records all this as happening before? We are SO desperately in need of wisdom, pragmatism, maturity and consensus in government. GOOD GRIEF - JUST WATCH AND LISTEN! They are silly children, poseurs, narcissists and delusionals.

    That MP had his moat cleaned in the nick of time! At least he can pull up the drawbridge!

  • Comment number 55.

    @51 ZH mostly posts stories that come from elsewhere, ZH can't 'talk its book' as it is a collective blog made up of many different individuals, it's only mission is to point out hard truths, mostly financial but occasionally not, as with posting the Wikileaks Iraq video, which had it's only mention tonight on the Review show, an Arts programme, rather than a BBC 'news' programme like NN. While it is possible that some people in the comments section could possibly talk up their own positions, from my own experience they tend to be mostly shell shocked, cynical, full of black humour and occasionally try to stimulate ideas about how to get out of the hole we are all in such as the post about the TEDTalk "How To Start A Populist Movement In Under Three Minutes".

    It is interesting that jauntycyclist does not offer proof of the accusations-

    "zerohedge is ignored by serious players"

    or

    "they maybe talking a book."

    And the Euro went up as it always does everytime there is a statement by some Eurocrat that a bailout is around the corner, for example back in February 9-

    Germany backs Greek bail-out as EU creates 'economic government'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/7199625/Germany-backs-Greek-bail-out-as-EU-creates-economic-government.html

    Or go back further to January-

    A Greek bailout, and soon?

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/charlemagne/2010/01/greek_bailout_within_months

    None of the stories has been true, but they have manipulated the market until the rumour of the day is squashed, usually by someone in the German government.

  • Comment number 56.

    55

    anyone who reads their 'manifesto' page will get the 'evidence' of the usual usa 'i got tins and rifles in a cabin in the woods' approach. it might be normal in the usa but in the uk it looks hysterical.

    journalism isn't about promoting agendas but reporting. there is a difference. and they clearly admit they have an axe to grind, a particular lens through which they see everything?

    e.g.

    ..tyler durden (founder): possessed of the belief that a return to (more) efficient markets is a possibility and a necessity....

    ...marla now sates her thirst for the efficient allocation of capital via the efficient distribution of information about capital via zero hedge. (beware her poison pen).

    so they are raw meat for brains market fundamentalists. not journalists reporting facts in a balanced way. is it journalists or vested interest campaigners that have 'poison pens'?

  • Comment number 57.

    55

    Outing Zero Hedge

    ..Daniel Ivandjiiski, whose most recently listed address is on the Upper East Side, was barred last September by the financial industry's self regulatory authority, FINRA, for insider trading.

    Ivandjiiski told Kapiloff that he’s one of several writers who contributes to the site under the pseudonym “Tyler Durden,” the charismatic, psychopathic alter-ego of the main character in the book and movie “Fight Club.”...

    http://wallstreetpit.com/9714-outing-zero-hedge

  • Comment number 58.

    Brightyanhing

    What did we say?

    One doesn't know what's round the corner and who's to be next to part from this world:

    Lech Kaczynski, one of a pair of identical twins, the President of Poland, met his end in a plane crash:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/8612825.stm

    I wouldn't wish to denigrade the man in these tragic circumstances too much but he was into silly games, very silly, and he will be remembered for them.

    mim

  • Comment number 59.

    #58 addendum

    Whether a statesman, a celeb, a philosopher or a road sweeper one's own dignity and respect of dignity of our fellow human beings is a lot to be spoken for.

    Hope you have a good weekend, BYT

    mim

  • Comment number 60.

    It just goes on and on and on....

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1264930/Peterborough-struggling-immigration-toll.html

    Are we completely barking mad in this country? Didn't we realise the world and it's wife would come here and take whatever they could, because they are poor?!!!! Doesn't anyone understand human nature anymore?

    Just wait 'til my local prospective labour candidate comes a'knocking, (he's an immigrant) I'll ask him just what labour has been up to for last ten years, mass extermination of the english?

  • Comment number 61.

    55

    It is interesting that jauntycyclist does not offer proof of the accusations-

    "zerohedge is ignored by serious players"


    http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=268241&t=01001019292467236494

    http://nymag.com/guides/money/2009/59457/

    these views are common within the biz.

    i just thought someone should point out that to those who do not trade the markets zh needs to be treated with care.

  • Comment number 62.

    SOME QUESTIONS DESERVE THE APPLICATION OF A-POLITICAL GRAVITAS (#60)

    Eco Lizzy's wide-eyed tirade is utterly justified, and needs nothing added.

    My fury is directed to the media (how well the Mail are served by these happenings) for simply warming their idle backsides at the fire.

    While politics and media are waltzing to the Election Waltz, I am doing my best to raise awareness in Newbury of the Westminster Malaise (afterthought governance).

    The Blogdog does not allow me to mention - even metaphorically - 'bangythings', but until media have the guts to blow the bloody doors of the charade of British governance, IN ITS ENTIRITY, Lizzy's anger will mature into fury - along with millions more - while Westminster fiddles.

    Your move Newsnight. Or are you still scared Alastair might come round?

  • Comment number 63.

    #49/52 ecolizzy
    Thanks liz: I should have gone to Specsavers!

    For others unable to get your link (page moved by DM?) try:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1264963/Migrant-citys-help-Anguished-letter-Brown-Cameron-reveals-devastating-toll-immigration.html

    The poll included in the link shows the vast gulf between the concerns of the GBP and the election focus of the main parties.

    “The councillors' concerns were echoed last night in a Harris poll for the Daily Mail, which reveals that seven out of ten voters are 'very worried' about the scale of immigration and believe it is a 'significant cause of unrest'. Some 63 per cent think the influx of two million immigrants under Labour has been a 'bad thing' and three out of four want a tough limit on new arrivals.”

    The councillors were both Independents, emphasising Barrie’s point that‘rosette stands’ support the party line, not the electorate’s wishes.

  • Comment number 64.

    Morning All!

    Jeremy is one of the most trusted celebrities in Britain :o)

    Source: http://www.responsesource.com/releases/rel_display.php?relid=55392

  • Comment number 65.

    #64

    That's interesting, Mistress76uk, though I'm not sure about Stephen Fry's position. He has been honest about his differing mental states and so on, and he is obviously an intelligent and knowledgeable man, but he does indulge occasionally in 'games' that are too silly for words. So, on the trust scale, is thumbs down from me.

    mim

  • Comment number 66.

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  • Comment number 67.

    cadbury law

    if it means new labour have dropped their market fundamentalism then its a better approach to a nation's affairs. There is a case for a retrospective look at some of the other other sell offs that happened when the 'guardians of the nation' were jacking up on market fundamentalism.

    markets deliver profit mainly for oligarchs not social services or nation building plans for the people.

  • Comment number 68.

    #63 "Some 63 per cent think the influx of two million immigrants under Labour has been a 'bad thing' and three out of four want a tough limit on new arrivals.”

    I keep reading of these 2 million more immigrants Indi. Always the subtefuge about "net immigration", yes it might only mean 2 or 3 million more people. But with so many leaving, the whole fabric of our society is changing, far too rapidly for any good to come of it.

    Surely the figures here are far more accurate

    http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/168165/Mass-immigration-is-a-disaster-and-Labour-is-to-blame

    Apparently, as stated here, we have had 6.5 million immigrants in the last 10 years thats, 10% of our population. This is a massive number of people from different backgrounds, most of whom have not assimilated into our culture, and send money back to their mother country. Perhaps partly why our economy has collapsed?! What is it 31 billion in ten years.

    Now how is this good for us in anyway? Do us as english people have rights, we just have to be over run with other nations. Isn't that genocide? Albeit in a slow, but very certain way.

    And why am I not allowed to complain vociferously about this?! ; )

    What I'm worried about Barrie is fighting breaking out here, look at Greece, Kyrgyztan and Thailand, to name but a few.

  • Comment number 69.

    64 Mistress76uk

    Is it appropriate that the term 'celebrity' be used to describe a news programme presenter?

    The same poll detailed in your link rated Richard Branson above Jeremy...that says a lot about the very gullible public.

  • Comment number 70.

    'THE VERY GULLIBLE PUBLIC' (#69)

    And now they are ALL going to be allowed to vote! The joke is that the more gullible they are, the more they can be 'bought' with advertising.

    "YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'VE BEEN SAACHIED!"

  • Comment number 71.

    #42 turbojerry

    ...it's not just Kyrgyzstan!

    Thailand's 'red shirts' are also turning to people power. This is also not being reported here much either.

    Has anyone else noted a pattern?

    Political riots in statist countries such as...

    Iran
    China
    N. Korea
    Malaysia
    etc

    ...results in mass media coverage, irrespective of any local/national news events.

    Reporting of political riots in (free-market) liberal-democratic countries...

    Kyrgyzstan
    Thailand
    etc

    ...tend to get lobbed into to the long grass at the expense of ANY (even sometimes completely irrelevant) national news event.

  • Comment number 72.

    AND ATTENBOROUGH - WHO WON! - IS UTTERLY SELF-OBSESSED (#65)

    If Attenborough shows you a tiny, tiny flower, His face must be right behind it; and to REALLY appreciate a Termites mound, it must contain A MINIMUM of ONE (puffing and panting) ATTENBOROUGH.

    It would appear the nihilists are voting for the narcissist these days. Should be a good turn out.

  • Comment number 73.

    @ DebtJuggler #69 - Anyone who is recognised by the media/society is a celebrity....
    What's wrong with Sir Richard Branson?

  • Comment number 74.

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  • Comment number 77.

    #71 Reporting of political riots in (free-market) liberal-democratic countries...

    Kyrgyzstan
    Thailand
    etc

    ...tend to get lobbed into to the long grass at the expense of ANY (even sometimes completely irrelevant) national news event.


    You forgot Greece DJ ; ) A country with a debt not much unlike our own, with just as many problems, and they've been demonstrating loudly recently.

  • Comment number 78.

    Jason Hommel of Silver Stock Report -

    http://silverstockreport.com/2010/doj.html

    To the US Department of Justice Citizen Complaint Center -

    'JPMorgan Chase & Co. has been named by thousands of writers in the private sector, all over the internet, based on the reports of the BIS, the Bank of International Settlements and the OCC, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency at the US Treasury, that they manipulate the precious metals markets by fraudulently selling metal that does not exist. This Bank report indicates that JPMorgan Chase & Co. is heavily involved, far more than any other, in derivatives, exceeding $72 trillion.'

    goes on -

    'Andrew (Maguire) provides detailed, blow by blow acts of price manipulation, giving specifics, in real time, through emails to the CFTC about the manipulation in progress. His report is highly detailed'

    $72 trillion, Crikey are we on the banks of the Rubicon the other side of which is the event horizon of humans morality or what ?

  • Comment number 79.

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  • Comment number 81.

    #50
    The Greece situation is probably going to the IMF
    Look at how Simon Johnson relates it to Argentina :-

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/simon-johnson/greece-and-the-fatal-flaw_b_527677.html

    BUT all will be trumped and mangled up by the Andrew Maguire events.
    Were living a lie about the value of paper money. The question is how we come out of the lie.

  • Comment number 82.

    Reports of a financial nature NOT in the style of Newsnight, the BBC or Paul Mason.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfQ1epYVLis

  • Comment number 83.

    go1. I'm really sorry to see some of your post are not getting through the Mod filter. I can only imagine all that cutting and pasting from articles from the online Searchlight magazine and the Guardian can be quite time consuming.

  • Comment number 84.

    TRANSFIXED (#82 link)

    Kev's link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfQ1epYVLis

    7 minutes of almost 'idle chat' in which American Banking and Tony Blair are bundled together and given the ZZZ rating they deserve. Meanwhile a ponzi world sleeps on with Britain snoring the loudest. I watched in horror - what else is out there?

    I wonder if Global Finance Supremo Brown knows of these scams - he certainly knew nothing of the sub-prime bubble. Well that's what he said, and why wouldn't we believe him?

  • Comment number 85.

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  • Comment number 86.

    #84
    'I watched in horror - what else is out there?'

    Would guess were not far off Israel throwing everything at Iran

    Just answering barrie's question gango not looking for a love-in with him
    so please don't get all upset now.

    Looks like the mods are being kept busy arnt we naughty.

  • Comment number 87.

    A case of ANOTHER misguided woman turning to a psychic...

    CHEATED CHERYL COLE has turned to a PSYCHIC for advice over whether she should dump her love-rat husband ASHLEY.
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/2927056/Cheryl-Cole-turns-to-a-psychic-for-marriage-advice.html


  • Comment number 88.

    I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE TOTAL (#87)

    Hey DJ - why not have a go at the Churches (jointly for fairness)? They tell billions of people stuff that isn't true, but that props them up - AND they take money for it. And psychics don't imply you have to wear a silly hat, or kneel down a lot, to keep this or that god happy.

    I'd take the psychic every time - especially a pretty female one. I had a cute dentist once (on the NHS) it's much the same.

  • Comment number 89.

    Re: The Smolensk plane crash

    The signs are that it may have been the President's fault who was in a hurry to get to Smolensk and probably asked to pilot to keep trying to land.

    There was a similar story a few years ago when the pilot carrying the President overuled him and due to bad conditions changed the plane's course and landed at a safer airport, all against the President's wish. The pilot had to go court to defend his decision and won.

    mim

  • Comment number 90.

    #83kevseywevsey
    "go1. I'm really sorry to see some of your post are not getting through the Mod filter. I can only imagine all that cutting and pasting from articles from the online Searchlight magazine and the Guardian can be quite time consuming."
    I share your sorrow kev and I've tried reading Searchlight for myself, but it's not the same as Go1 tells them. I miss those Mills & Boon tales with Mr Hitler and the Griffin, and the church bells ringing over the meadow filled with sheep doing something or other. zzzzzzzzzz

  • Comment number 91.

    Call me a 56-year old bat with grandiose delusions if you want but:

    My contribution to mankind has already been assured for:
    • Not so much perhaps to any original thought as most things have been said before though under different circumstances and conditions
    • Contribution to positive and constructive, sometimes imbued with wisdom, international communication in the face of frequently extremely unfavourable, malicious and evil winds
    • For unique twirling on ice expressing a whole variety of emotions of anger, sadness, spiritual elevation, love and sex, humour and pure fun of moving to music on ice, with gliding not that far behind
    • A few ditties?
    • Promoting exceptional people among whom there is a journalist and writer, another writer and a few politicians with a human face though with the understanding that we are all only human with our failings and prejudices but open to worthy challenges
    • For my determination, strength, fearlessness and energy, with possibly ultimate martyrdom, in my fight against silly willies who took themselves for ‘engineers’!
    • ‘Amen’

    mim

  • Comment number 92.

    #91 addemdum

    The saddest thing of all that among the silly willies are representatives of the medical profession, including a few brain surgeons who have allowed themselves to be manipulated by other greedy silly willies, representatives of the 'academia'.

    mim

    mim

  • Comment number 93.

    Silly willies are silly because they don’t even realise they are silly.
    So they’ve resorted to tricks, involving Russia, the States and La Belle France,
    Hoping to ‘better’ themselves through a Pole,
    Even resorting to killing,
    Dreaming of treasures full of diamonds and gold
    While the story online is told.

    mim

  • Comment number 94.

    'Silly willies are silly because they don’t even realise they are silly.'
    This is now our reality.

    Where has all the gold and silver gone ?

    http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2010/4/7_Andrew_Maguire_%26_Adrian_Douglas.html

  • Comment number 95.

    #94

    How are you getting on with your banal street photography, streetphotobeing?

  • Comment number 96.

    #94 another question:

    So you've now been able to move from your poor abode, have you?

  • Comment number 97.

    #94 /95

    My post is not at all aimed at yourself. I'm just using your line as a metaphor for others.

  • Comment number 98.

    #97

    I shouldn't imagine it's aimed at myself as I'm still too 'useful' and too 'promising' to have around. Who are the others?

  • Comment number 99.

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  • Comment number 100.

    #99 Sorry correction

    Well silver has now being proved to be leveraged 100 to 1 which means for every 100 ounces of silver traded there is only 1 ounce in a vault. This means that paper money is in fact a lot less valuable and silver/gold a lot more valuable. The US gov via JP Morgan has been proved by London silver traded Andrew Maguire to have been totally manipulating the trading and hence keeping the value of gold down and the value of paper money up. This HAS to happen otherwise we have a total catastrophy. But it can not go on. Its total fraud The big question is how we come out of it ?


    Silly willies all round and you can bet your 100 to 1 gold they are almost all men.

 

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