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James Pearce | 08:39 UK time, Tuesday, 5 October 2010

The sport is now under way at the Commonwealth Games in Delhi but I am still finding it hard to focus entirely on the competition.

We all witnessed a spectacular opening ceremony on Sunday. However, it is currently impossible to ignore what is happening in front of my eyes. Journalists are often told to "report it like you see it". Well, I've spent much of the past day looking at row after row of empty seats.

Let us be absolutely fair. No Commonwealth Games could boast a total sell-out of tickets on day one. Some of the first-round events are not always that appealing. If you are a fan of badminton or netball, for example, you might well decide to save your money for the latter stages of the competition.

Never, though, have I seen a major sporting event as badly attended as the beginning of these Delhi Games. I spent much of the first day touring venues, trying to judge the spectator experience.

My honest conclusion can only be that there is currently little interest amongst the Indian public in attending these Games, as hardly anybody turned up to watch at all.

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At the netball venue, there was barely a spectator in sight. If I said that 50 people had paid to get in, I'd probably be being generous. The table tennis and badminton venues were also very empty.

The gymnastics arena can hold 19,000 but needed a tiny fraction of that capacity to cope with demand on day one. Even when the home nation was playing hockey, a popular sport here, the stands remained bare.  

The Prince of Wales went to watch the morning swimming session. Unfortunately, he was joined by only a couple of hundred others, although there were more for the finals later in the day.

It would have been apparent to anybody watching on television just how few people had decided to come to watch the Games. It is impossible to hide empty seats.

Once again, though, I should be fair here to Delhi. There were plenty of empty seats during the Beijing Olympics - although not as many as Delhi - but those Games were considered to be a success.

It is hard to put a finger on why so few people have attended so far. Some tickets can be purchased for as little as 50 rupees, which is about 70 pence. Outlets were limited until recently, though, and there were fears that security would cause lengthy delays.

At least the organisers have acknowledged the problem and claim that the situation will improve. Suresh Kalmadi, the chairman of the organising committee, said at the start of day two of competition: "We have set up ticket box offices in every stadium. There were
queues. I don't think this [issue] will continue for long. There were problems yesterday but we have improved our systems and all the stalls [ticket box offices] are up today."

He also hinted that schoolchildren might be allowed in for free.

I mentioned in my previous blog how I feared that there had been so much negative publicity about these Games during the past few weeks that it would be very hard for Delhi to turn the corner and begin generating a positive flow of news.

The opening ceremony helped the cause but the fuss around the boxing weigh-in - when the scales were found to be inaccurate, forcing a day's delay - emphasise my point.

If the Games had been going well, then negative stories like this might well have been lost. But once things start to go badly, difficulties tend to stand out. People often appear much quicker to criticise when they believe that they are not in the minority.

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There is nothing that I would love more than to be able to make my next blog from here a positive one. Delhi still has time. These are India's first Commonwealth Games. If they are to be a success, then the Indian people need to get behind them.

Nearly everybody who has ever visited India will vouch for the fact that the Indian people are special, friendly, helpful, charming and enthusiastic.

Now is the time for the Indian people to prove that they can be passionate sporting spectators. These are Delhi's Commonwealth Games. They are India's. If the Games are to be turned into a success, then I believe the Indian people must play their part.

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  • 1. At 10:41am on 05 Oct 2010, Chappers67 wrote:

    The problem for the average Indian attending is, that those who work, and therefor could afford to go, get very few days of annual leave and work 6 day weeks. Usually with long hours as the culture there is very much about being last to leave. There is also no real culture of paying to attend sporting events, outside of cricket (and even here large numbers of tickets are free).

    Indian's determination to be seen as a power on the world stage is admirable, but these games have come too soon. There are myriad other issues around infrastructure, communications and general welfare that India could be tackling first. Whilst cities like Delhi are developing nicely, huge swathes of the country are still without power, roads, water etc.

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  • 2. At 10:55am on 05 Oct 2010, Rahul wrote:

    Come on people, there is an exciting cricket match happening, which India just won, against the Oz..... why r u forgetting this !!!

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  • 3. At 10:58am on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    well, that was just day one mate. I just read a report in an Indian newspaper that the tennis stadium was full today. What about that and wait for a few more days.

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  • 4. At 11:00am on 05 Oct 2010, Ginger wrote:

    The entire event is a little odd isn't it? Shame as India is a cool place and is thriving and will continue to do so.

    Tabletennis, netball, hockey. Hardly football is it?

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  • 5. At 11:01am on 05 Oct 2010, aj44brown wrote:

    This unfortunately comes from someone who dropped a clanger when he was wittering on about the tennis in Delhi on the BBC News Channel on Sunday. He bemoaned the fact that Andy Murray and Lleyton Hewitt were absent and forgot that Cyprus is part of the Commonwealth - Marcos Baghdatis is in Beijing as well, if I read correctly. And Samantha Stosur, finalist in Paris?

    Then there is the report on the BBC News at Six where the athletes are disregarded while James does a "Hello Mum" routine among the empty seats. Not good enough.

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  • 6. At 11:04am on 05 Oct 2010, cwg-fan wrote:

    james, good blog. i agree with everything you say.
    The dirty toilets received far greater attention on the UK News (tv/print) than the opening ceremony. I don't think the opening ceremony made any headlines on the tv/internet/print outside of india. I have been disappointed with the unbalanced coverage of the commonwealth games on the news here in the UK. To my mind, the opening ceremony was a bigger event than unclean toilets and should have been covered better..at least on BBC NEWS!
    The point that I am making is that nobody cares about the commonwealth games until something goes wrong. So why should the delhi junta turn up for the games?

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  • 7. At 11:17am on 05 Oct 2010, Jagged Edge wrote:

    I really liked cwg-fan's response!

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  • 8. At 11:18am on 05 Oct 2010, wisemann wrote:

    I cannot agree with you at all. As an Indian, the most important things I care about is how the government uses the tax payers money as well as the money given to it from countries such as UK, to improve the lives of the poor. As far as the games are concerned, so far I have only seen corruption , inefficiency and denial.
    Indians will support it as far as the opening ceremony, watching it on TV thats about it.
    And by the way, what is the purpose of the common wealth group of nations anyway. For example, it does not give Indians any special privileges to be in the UK. Indians are not given free access to UK shores. Infact, people in the UK donot recognise the contribution of the Indians for example to the NHS, to British military etc. They constantly view Indians with suspicion and envy
    Lets face it, the common wealth is a farce. Forget the games, I dont believe we need the commonwealth itself!.

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  • 9. At 11:20am on 05 Oct 2010, Jagged Edge wrote:

    I'm not one bit surprised. If this was a cricket competition, you'd see full capacity and then some more. Or a fortnight of star studded song and dance extravaganza.

    Anyway, hope every competitor has a safe and healthy stay and the good luck to achieve what they set out to.

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  • 10. At 11:25am on 05 Oct 2010, Nikhil from London wrote:

    I think the western media (particularly the British) have been unfairly biased against the Delhi commonwealth games. You just get the impression that they seem to be monitoring the games like regulators rather than being journalists. They seem to desperately be on the look out for the smallest of discrepancies that will undermine the games. Infact I dont think the British viewers actually care about such trivial matters. First it was the bridge (which was allegedly built with british parts which for some reason the british media missed out), then the village conditions issue (which was already acknowledged by organisers due to heavy rains and was being sorted out much before the media storm) and now that the games have got off to a great start they report that seats are empty. It seems to be a direct attack. How can you have a full house on monday and tuesday daytime events?? The seats will fill up eventually as we move into the first week and as more important events take place. You cant use the poor crowd turnout to justify in headlines that 'the games are a poor show or failure'. Thats simply unbiased and unfair.
    The opening ceremony in Delhi was absolutely fantastic. Full of spirit and colour and pride. This will even have London 2012 organisers thinking and will be difficult to match. All the games facilities are brand new and world class. However the british media attack continues. With London 2012 and Glasgow 2014 coming up I wonder what are the real intentions behind the negative press of Delhi 2012.

    Why are the british media always critical of positive achievements of India and China. They dont do this in Australia or USA. Before Beijing we saw it and now at Delhi we see it again. Jealous?? or paranoid?? I am sure we will plenty of such attacks on both india and china in the coming years.

    All I can say is 'Grow up..British media...Report rather than judge...Infact befriend your future superpowers else you will have no one listening'.

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  • 11. At 11:28am on 05 Oct 2010, hainba wrote:

    I'm sure that anybody who was anybody from the Delhi high society wanted to be at the opening ceremeony.

    As for the games themselves even the mighty IPL is not always a sell-out - the TV companies try to hide the empty seats.

    I am guessing that Indian TV is covering these games so why should low income locals pay particularly if there is no local interest or competitors? Also what could be worse for the competitors than the organising committee bringing in coach loads of kids to scream and shout?

    When we get to the sharp end of the athletics the big wigs will flood back in but without Bolt and other top athletes will this be enough to fill the stadium?

    Sport needs REAL fans just look at the scenes at the golf yesterday. London 2012 be warned a balance between corporate, sports fans and locals is key....

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  • 12. At 11:32am on 05 Oct 2010, Are You Serious wrote:

    "Nearly everybody who has ever visited India will vouch for the fact that the Indian people are special, friendly, helpful, charming and enthusiastic."

    Is this journalist for real? I spend a month in India travellig all over and the only people that were friendly. helpful and charming were those trying to sell me something. Seriously. The queue jumping was extraordinary, the harrassment on the streets, the ogling and groping of western females.

    Now clearly there are plety of people that are indeed special and charming but to suggest this is the over-riding impression you get from visiting India, suggests you've not really visited India.

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  • 13. At 11:34am on 05 Oct 2010, BakedBeans wrote:

    Blah blah etc

    where is the Queen ?

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  • 14. At 11:37am on 05 Oct 2010, raghuram wrote:

    I think the bad press and the feeling of being let down by the commonwealth organizing committee have kind of unnerved the people of India. The commonwealth organizing committee has been so engrossed with their own problems that they kind of never were able to reach out to the general public. If the main intension of this games was to create more awareness among the public about other sports other than cricket then the committee has failed miserably. They should have involved the schools and colleges in and around Delhi and given free passes to the students, after all it is these students who are the future sportsmen of our country, and this event would have been a once in a lifetime opportunity for the students.

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  • 15. At 11:39am on 05 Oct 2010, DrownedWorld wrote:

    Moaning about a few empty seats for a netball game is a tad premature. BBC's biased coverage of CWG continues. I am disappointed with the tone of coverage but not surprised.

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  • 16. At 11:45am on 05 Oct 2010, BakedBeans wrote:

    common wealth should be scrapped ..

    There is no common interest either in Politics or sports

    why Cricket is not there ? What is netball ? You just cannot create common interest

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  • 17. At 11:46am on 05 Oct 2010, Alonsotheloser wrote:

    Where are all the fans that totally slated Tom Fordyce on his blog the other day seem really quiet now. The money wasted on these games would have been far better spent on India's infrastructure, which would benefit the Indian people. 10 Million On a helium balloon must have been some backhanders there.

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  • 18. At 11:47am on 05 Oct 2010, cwg-fan wrote:

    james, you have reported widely on twitter/tv/bbcwebsite about the lack of crowds at the venues. I am now hearing that the swimming venue is filling up and so is the boxing venue. Please can you now, in the interest of providing a balanced coverage of the event, set the record straight by reporting via twitter/tv/bbcwebsite that there are now local spectators for the games.

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  • 19. At 11:52am on 05 Oct 2010, Alonsotheloser wrote:

    CWG - FAN I have been watching the swimming this morning on BBC and it certainly does not look full to me? The press is free to report in this country do you have a problem with the truth?

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  • 20. At 11:54am on 05 Oct 2010, grogroovy wrote:

    There has been so much biased negativity against the commonwealth games in the international press that if I were in Delhi, I would support the opening ceremony for Indias sake and not the games themselves.

    But I do hope a new spirit of friendship is fostered in these games. It would seem the Indian press, despite its negativity has also been enthusiatic for the games quite unlike the UK press, which has had a onesided view.

    For India, these games where meant to “act as a catalyst for sustained development of infrastructure”, “add to the prevailing upbeat mood in the Indian economy“ and “create opportunities for trade, business and investment for Delhi and India.

    Yes, there is better infrastructure in Delhi today. But did the games act as an aid to the upbeat mood in the Indian economy? The expatriate Indian was not upbeat with the international press. Niether was the local Indian. Sadly, I have to question the opportunites for trade and business that were lost on a global scale. Thanks again to some shoddy pictures of toilets and sinks. A pedestrian bridge might have collasped. But it also failed to make headlines for rebuiding it in a record 5 days.

    Shinning India it is. But not for some who would rather choose not to think of it as such.

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  • 21. At 11:57am on 05 Oct 2010, bellsouth wrote:

    Not to reflect on Delhi, but I really hope this is the death of the Commonwealth Games. It is an anachronistic event which brings little lasting value to anyone other than a few athletes who can put it on their sporting cv.

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  • 22. At 12:03pm on 05 Oct 2010, tipusultan wrote:

    Let's face it - nobody is going to be interested in the CWG while one of the best matches in the history of test cricket is being played out. Forget the Ashes, India v Australia cricket matches are at the pinnacle and this is evident by the hordes of people preferring to stay home and watch cricket on TV rather than attending CWG

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  • 23. At 12:06pm on 05 Oct 2010, BakedBeans wrote:

    CWG ..Hah hah ha Net ball LOL


    Ricky Ponting: "It was one of the exciting test matches I have played. Full credit to India; they outplayed us today. We tried our best. It was satisfying effort from the boys. I told them to just take out the scorecard out of the mind. The partnership between Ishant an Laxman was great and it made the difference I guess. Bollinger's injury probably didnt help us there; we needed a fresh bowler to give it a shake but that's the game."

    Dhoni: It was one of the best. This game was full of emotions. We lost Ishant in the first innings; the way we bowled in the second and third session was remarkable and that got us back. We could have got the first-inings lead but we didn't. The bowlers again did well to bowl them out in teh second innings. Our batting collapsed but Laxman and Ishant . . Laxman is a remarkable batsman, whatever a field you set, he can keep scoring. He did a very good job for us. For me it was a very special (innings). We just wanted teh dressing room to be calm and cool. Ishant played loads of deliveries and in between got boundaries as well. It worked out well for us. Frankly speaking, when the game started no one expected we will have a result in 4 and half days. The bowlers from both sides have done well to get a result in this game."

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  • 24. At 12:11pm on 05 Oct 2010, weldone-india wrote:

    keep it up "cwg-fan"

    james, good blog. i agree with everything you say.
    The dirty toilets received far greater attention on the UK News (tv/print) than the opening ceremony. I don't think the opening ceremony made any headlines on the tv/internet/print outside of india. I have been disappointed with the unbalanced coverage of the commonwealth games on the news here in the UK. To my mind, the opening ceremony was a bigger event than unclean toilets and should have been covered better..at least on BBC NEWS!
    The point that I am making is that nobody cares about the commonwealth games until something goes wrong. So why should the delhi junta turn up for the games?

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  • 25. At 12:14pm on 05 Oct 2010, cwg-fan wrote:

    ALONSOTHELOSER - alonso just won the last 2 gps.
    Back to cwg, according to a bbc reporter the swimming venue is 30percent full of Delhities. I probably should not have said filling up (bad use of english), i meant that crowds are now coming in and that should be reported...in the same vein that lack of crowss was reported widely by james yesterday. 30% is a decent turn out for a working day, for an event like commonwealth games and for a sport in which India does not hope to win anything (am not even sure if there are any indian qualifiers for swimming). I do think that the press have a duty to report the positive if they have focused so much on the negative. The press is free to report as you say but hopefully not cherry pick what they want to report.

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  • 26. At 12:42pm on 05 Oct 2010, Vikram1982 wrote:

    Another negative story.What I can say to you guys working in BBC, when our own media is putting so much negative on air about CWG. And the reason being, negative news sells more.

    I am in India, and have booked my ticket for 9th Oct Hockey match. Few of may friends have already attended few events.

    Yes paying to attend sporting events or even playing other sports is still not popular in our culture. Because people were and still are more bothered about basic necessities like food, house and job. But times are changing and will change for sure. And I hope you will write and will get more positive stories about India in future........

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  • 27. At 12:42pm on 05 Oct 2010, RowlandC wrote:

    All praise India... or else be branded a scared and jealous Imperialist? Really? wow.

    Patriotism is a fine thing but some of the posts cross over into blind Nationalism for me.

    What is interesting to me is how these Games, as most footy world cups, Olympics etc, seem to be run for a very very few, often apparently for reasons completely unrelated to sporting excellence for it's own sake. Corporate sponsors, national/city prestige, political gain, back handers... The locals and fans are often just scenery and colourful atmosphere setters. Look at Athens' legacy now!

    If the locals haven't been courted and were just EXPECTED to turn up in droves to watch England vs Barbados in the netball... is it any wonder they stayed away, even if tickets ARE only 50 rupees? There's not shortage of national pride in India - look at the cricket - but why expect locals to support 'The Games' themselves and watch 2 teams in a sport they have no great history in themselves? It does seem premature to judge the early success of the Games based on the quite Western sports witnessed so far. It would be like suggesting the Glasgow games next are on the brink of failure for a poorly attended first round of Kabbadi ties on day 1 haha. I wouldn't take a day off work for that myself, even if I did watch the free highlights on tv later - any visibility of viewing figures?

    In truth, as China and India come into their own we can expect the sports included in the big Games to change. Chess? Cricket? I would not be surprised to see them come in before too long.

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  • 28. At 12:45pm on 05 Oct 2010, Andrew_D wrote:

    I agree with Baked Beans - scrap the common wealth and re-instate the Empire! ;-)

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  • 29. At 12:48pm on 05 Oct 2010, DrownedWorld wrote:

    # 11

    "I am guessing that Indian TV is covering these games so why should low income locals pay particularly if there is no local interest or competitors?"

    I am struggling to understand your logic. Are you implying that 'high' income individuals would turn up OR locals are generally from low income background (since they are Indians, obviously)?

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  • 30. At 12:58pm on 05 Oct 2010, Question Everything wrote:

    Has it not actually occurred to anyone that the venues might be a little empty on a Monday because people actually go to work. Netball is not exactly a priority. Come to think of it, netball is of only interest to schoolgirls - and they'd be at school. I think that there'll be lots of full venues in London 2012 and Glasgow 2014 as there are lots of unemployed folk on benefits with plenty of free time.

    I agree with Nikhil about the British media. They seem to really enjoy looking for anything negative about India. The opening ceremony got very little coverage. I'm sure they were really hoping it went wrong. I'm getting fed up with their biased views. The BBC have become a third rate outfit. Their glory days disappeared with the empire. It's about time the British accept that they do not have any real importance in the world these days. Get over it.

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  • 31. At 12:58pm on 05 Oct 2010, SuperCritical wrote:

    "It is hard to put a finger on why so few people have attended so far."

    Really???

    Is not the obvious answer that cricket aside, Indians are generally not that interested in sport. I am always surprised that a country of a billion people put out such a pathetically small Olympic team.

    This is a pet project of the government and not of the people.

    Have you forgotten the 'not' from the closing lines:
    They are [not] Delhi's commonwealth games. They are India's.

    Delhi is a huge city and still can't muster anything but a cursory attendance and now you expect the average Indian to travel across such a vast country to watch Bermuda and Bahrain battle it out in the bowls?

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  • 32. At 1:04pm on 05 Oct 2010, AHX wrote:

    Couple of observations:

    "The western press is biased against India" - everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because they disagree with you does not mean they are biased.

    "Indian tax money should have been spent on the people" - Totally agree - then the Indian people would have been happy and we could have had the Commonwealth Games in a country more capable of organising an international sports event.

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  • 33. At 1:07pm on 05 Oct 2010, DrownedWorld wrote:

    #27

    "All praise India... or else be branded a scared and jealous Imperialist? Really? wow."

    RowlandC,
    The glee with which BBC and other western media reported the shortcomings during the run-up to CWG bordered on obscenity. Yes, there was corruption and inefficiency, but the way it was blown out of proportion marred the credibility of organizations like BBC. It was as if they were worried about India pulling off a great show, but greatly relieved to find that Indians have botched up another project.

    It is this aspect of skewed coverage I am trying to highlight. Indian media was even more scathing in their criticism, but the coverage of more balanced as they are not clutching at every small perceived shortcoming to portray the games as total failure.

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  • 34. At 1:17pm on 05 Oct 2010, DrownedWorld wrote:

    #32

    "everyone is entitled to an opinion"

    Having an opinion is not journalism. You have throw in 'objective reporting' somewhere in the mix.

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  • 35. At 1:22pm on 05 Oct 2010, killer_and _flash wrote:

    Isn't the problem, that India (apart from a couple of major sports) isn't a sporting nation. This might be for cultural or financial reasons, but either way the fact that a giant country like India came 50th in the 2008 Olympic medal table says it all. India only won 3 medals, putting them behind the likes of Mongolia and North Korea, whereas 4 years before Beijing China was already winning a hatful of medals, and putting in the resources so they would dominate their home games.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Summer_Olympics_medal_table

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  • 36. At 1:30pm on 05 Oct 2010, AHX wrote:

    #34

    There is no such thing as "Objective Reporting".

    This utopian ideal ignores human nature. Everyone no matter who they work, where they work, any journalist or writer has an opinion on the given subject they are reporting upon which will always skew the story that has been written.

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  • 37. At 1:32pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    This is not entirely relevant to this blog but I thought people should be informed. One example of biased reporting from BBC
    "I should probably add a confession here - the pictures that appeared on the BBC Sport website showing the leak of water down the Team Scotland balconies was actually from our overloaded washing machine"
    Scotland hockey goalkeeper
    Abi Walker
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/commonwealth_games/delhi_2010/9044279.stm

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  • 38. At 1:34pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    @Alonsotheloser , here you go mate. some information for you to understand how this games will help India, financially and to build infrastructure. Dont be ignorant.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/commonwealth-games-2010/news/CWG-to-add-5-bn-to-economy-create-25-mn-jobs-Govt/cwgarticleshow/6690584.cms

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  • 39. At 1:34pm on 05 Oct 2010, AHX wrote:

    Had to be a Jock telling porkies !

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  • 40. At 1:37pm on 05 Oct 2010, DAW wrote:

    Dear James,

    Like your article!

    I was in Delhi during the World Cup Hockey, and been to most of the matches, and only when India played the stadium was filled. All the other matches no Indians only team supporters. The day of the finals was filled with spectators. This gave me a worrying sign and it seems to come through again, unfortunately.
    Next to it buying tickets is far too complex.

    DAW

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  • 41. At 1:39pm on 05 Oct 2010, DrownedWorld wrote:

    #36

    "There is no such thing as "Objective Reporting"."

    Well, BBC claims to be objective. As a long time listener to BBC World Service (close to 25 years), I do find that reporting levels to be quite good. But this time around, it looks like some old prejudices have clouded their better judgment.

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  • 42. At 1:39pm on 05 Oct 2010, elondonred wrote:

    Wow, some of the comments here are pretty funny. Fair enough the problems to the run up to the games were blown out of proprotion but i'm sure if it was in the UK it will be the same. Bad news generates publicity, look at wayne rooney. People need to stop seeing everything as an attack to their country. The author of the blog clearly states he hopes his next blog is a positive one. And as for cricket being included in the CWG not gonna happen as it isn't famous worldwide and not enough countries play it.

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  • 43. At 1:40pm on 05 Oct 2010, Joinpriya wrote:

    As an Indian based here in the UK I am extremely proud of my Country to host CWG 2010 - all I can say that If I was there I would definitely go - ofcourse I can choose what sports may interests me, although I agree sports in india will start and end on cricket but - Cricket is overrated ( read Galmourous ) - we have not won world cup since 1983!

    Anyways i have friends and family there in Delhi - when asked why did they not go answer was tix were expensive, which i think will apply to a common man in Delhi.

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  • 44. At 1:41pm on 05 Oct 2010, RowlandC wrote:

    DW,

    I don't see the evidence of that I'm afraid. Just as the early empty netball seats can be attributed to a much more important cricket match being on at the same time, so too can the relative lack of coverage of the Opening Ceremony be attributed to it all happening over the Ryder Cup weekend. The CWGs aren't the be all and end all for ANYone but the event organizers it would seem.

    When people say all they want is a balanced view, I wonder what that looks like. Isn't what really irks that the composite countries in the UK don't MUCH care for the CWGs unless they're in their own back yard? (like the 2 week long tennis season that is Wimbledon!) How is that different to any other country anywhere else in the world that considers itself 'established' in these matters?

    It appears in the absence of love some people are happy to see hate... love the Games, hate the Games, just don't be indifferent to them!

    I don't know what the BBC can do to keep some of the more thin-skinned Indian readers happy, other than post nothing but pro-Indian propaganda. If someone is determined to see a slight, they will. Who at the BBC has said the games are a total failure?! A snake in a bed, stray dogs 'living' in the athletes quarters and that bridge collapsing (i like the suggestion that's Britain's fault now as well, posted by someone on this board lol) are NOT minor details to be swept under the carpet in the name of a good party. The more people attempt to sweep it away as minor forgettable detail that happens all the time at major sporting events, the more journos will resist. Because it doesn't happen all the time and it's a story. Beware the story becoming about the push to eradicate that detail from our minds! It shouldn't define the Games. If everything goes as well as the Opening Ceremony from here, then it will become a footnote. But you can't demand that in advance. You're at 1-1 in the eyes of some neutrals after a shakey start, accept it.

    If it happened in Glasgow next time round I'd expect people to be slaughtered in the media for it, home AND abroad, and for people to not be so blown away by a great opening ceremony that they'd forget about that stuff, just because Glaswegians might want them too.

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  • 45. At 1:42pm on 05 Oct 2010, TSB wrote:

    empty seats.........the reason why the indians are staying away from the events is due to serious concerns on health and safety as recently highlighted in the media!! they are letting the westerners test out the facilities and will most definately make a appearance during the closing ceremony!!

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  • 46. At 1:42pm on 05 Oct 2010, mambo wrote:

    I feel sorry for the poor international journalists that have traveled all that, only to find that the lack of demand for tickets to events, means they will not be able to supplement their after dinner expenses by selling on the extra tickets to the locals...



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  • 47. At 2:02pm on 05 Oct 2010, DrownedWorld wrote:

    "I don't know what the BBC can do to keep some of the more thin-skinned Indian readers happy, other than post nothing but pro-Indian propaganda. If someone is determined to see a slight, they will. "

    RowlandC,
    I think you are missing the point here. No one is demanding pro-Indian propaganda. Indian media is just as free as media any western democracy - just look at the Indian media coverage of the games village fiasco. It all boils down to question of balanced coverage.

    I cannot probably argue against "bad news is great news" line of argument. I would understand FOX News being biased, but it is deeply disappointing to find BBC taking the same path.

    I guess a great lesson for us as a nation is not take western media too seriously. We now know where they stand.

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  • 48. At 2:05pm on 05 Oct 2010, bladerunner925 wrote:

    You are all missing the point. who the hell cares about the Commonwealth Games? it's just NOT important and NOT relevant anymore. It is a joke! a complete waste of time and money ..and god/allah knows there are way more important things that the Indian government could be spending money on than hosting this nonsense. There is nothing about this event that would entice me (and I suspect many million Indians) to attend.

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  • 49. At 2:12pm on 05 Oct 2010, James Pearce wrote:

    I'm just finishing off at the Aquatics Centre, which by the way is a bit fuller today. I will reply to more of your comments later, but let me quickly correct #5.
    I'm sure I've made my fair share of clangers in the past, but I didn't on this occasion. I correctly stated that none of the men's top 100 tennis players is in Delhi. Murray and Hewitt are among the absentees, and Stosur is not taking part in the women's event. I will be back later to respond to some of the other messages on here, so please keep them coming. Some have been really interesting.

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  • 50. At 2:12pm on 05 Oct 2010, elondonred wrote:

    @DrownedWorld how exactly is the bbc biased. I seem to remember the criticism the FA got when wembley was been built. Look at the 2012 olympics it's been criticised as the cost goes up and some venues are changed. I'm not here to defend the BBC. I'm just saying people need to stop seeing everything as an attack.

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  • 51. At 2:14pm on 05 Oct 2010, quicksesh wrote:

    Quite frankly .. who cares ??
    The common wealth games have always been a poor relation to the Olympics and various 'Worlds' events, so if it is not a medi slick rip roaring success then so be it

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  • 52. At 2:15pm on 05 Oct 2010, quicksesh wrote:

    whoops .. should have said 'media' not medi

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  • 53. At 2:34pm on 05 Oct 2010, RowlandC wrote:

    47, you're proving my point admirably :) If someone wants to see a slight, they will. And many posters on these sites have demanded JUST that I'm afraid. 'The BBC should focus on the positive only or be deported or put behind bars' (sic) was one of the comments on Tom's page the other day, a sentiment then echoed by all to many others.

    For sure a sign of a mature, stable and confident nation is one that can cope with the odd bit of less-than-gushing press. It is right one doesn't set TOO much store by what others think of you, otherwise you'll never do ANYthing in your own national interest. But India CRAVES international recognition and to be taken as seriously as an Equal on the world stage in cultural and social terms as it is in economic terms. It can't sulk and shriek 'BBC/British/Western conspiracy!!' if it doesn't get what it feels is it's due at the first attempt and be taken seriously. Legitimacy takes time.

    Branding the BBC 'FOX news'? lol, pur-lease!

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  • 54. At 2:40pm on 05 Oct 2010, Yogye wrote:

    James
    In tennis India is interested only in the doubles for the last few years and some of the best doubles players are in town. We cannot help if Andy Murray is wimp.Great Tennis players have been visiting India for quite some time to play in Davis Cup. The real loss has been people like Usain Bolt and A. Power.

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  • 55. At 2:43pm on 05 Oct 2010, DrownedWorld wrote:

    elondonred,
    My radio is on while I am awake, and most of the time it is tuned to BBC Word Service. Believe me when I say that CWG fiasco was THE news item for nearly 4 days (I think starting from 21-Sep). The story was done to death. I am quite sure there were more newsworthy items like Millennium Development Goals or NATO chopper crash or sacking of mayor of Moscow.

    As I said earlier, I am not asking BBC to carry out pro-India propaganda. I am asking them to live up to the journalistic standards they claim to hold very dear.

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  • 56. At 2:49pm on 05 Oct 2010, DrownedWorld wrote:

    #53
    RowlandC,
    Before accusing Indians as thin-skinned perhaps you should take a good look in the mirror. Who is proving to be thin-skinned when some cristisim is heaped on western media? You argument cuts both ways.

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  • 57. At 3:05pm on 05 Oct 2010, bestgeorge wrote:

    Cricket is creating a problem for the Commonwealth Games. The first five day cricket test match between India and arch rivals Australia finished today with a thrilling win for India. Millions of Indians were glued to their television sets. The second five day cricket test starts on Saturday followed by three one day day matches. Cricket is the first love for Indians.

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  • 58. At 3:15pm on 05 Oct 2010, BakedBeans wrote:

    The vultures are circling over the Commonwealth Games in Delhi. Literally, I mean, not metaphorically.

    Abi Walker column

    I should probably add a confession here - the pictures that appeared on the BBC Sport website showing the leak of water down the Team Scotland balconies was actually from our overloaded washing machine

    Scotland hockey goalkeeper
    Abi Walker

    so BBC spin machine was in full speed then .....

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  • 59. At 3:19pm on 05 Oct 2010, BakedBeans wrote:

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  • 60. At 3:25pm on 05 Oct 2010, ali10000 wrote:

    i just watched inside sport: Is Professionalism Killing Sport?

    These games seem very very amateur. Maybe if they seemed more professional, people would attend?


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  • 61. At 3:28pm on 05 Oct 2010, Leviticus wrote:

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  • 62. At 3:33pm on 05 Oct 2010, Do Liver Birds Eat Liver wrote:

    What exactly are the point of these games? Who would pay any money at all to see this?

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  • 63. At 3:35pm on 05 Oct 2010, DrownedWorld wrote:

    Kentucker,

    "A lot of touchy defensive Indians on here bandying around words like jealous, scared, biased, colonialism. Probably all living in the awful UK?"

    I think you lost the plot there. Some Indians live in India too, and yes, they have internet connections as well. And rest of your post is not worth responding to.

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  • 64. At 3:37pm on 05 Oct 2010, nitesh wrote:

    Mr. James Pearce, according to you all the stadiums are empty then please get me 25 tickets for me and my college friends for hockey and if not possible synchronized swimming...I will be really grateful to you!!!! We all are dying to get these tickets and now feel no one in this world can help us....I am also ready to pay you a little extra as a tip for your kind service. And for your kind information, if you retrospect a little back...this March...Delhi Hockey World Cup, FIH recorded the highest ticket sales and best spectators support ever...and they promised that they will give India one Hockey tournament every year(Champions trophy next year!!!) so I am confused what you saw that forced you to write this nice post.And finally why always China, India????Such things never happen in any European country eh?????

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  • 65. At 3:44pm on 05 Oct 2010, saint777 wrote:

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  • 66. At 3:45pm on 05 Oct 2010, Alonsotheloser wrote:

    64 - Why would you ask James to get you tickets can you not go yourself? Do you plan on going to the athletics?
    http://twitpic.com/2uvgdq

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  • 67. At 3:50pm on 05 Oct 2010, Leviticus wrote:

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  • 68. At 3:51pm on 05 Oct 2010, pgrain wrote:

    u know the reasons if u were willing to find out and i hope u had found out and willfully ignored it to keep the negative circus going on .

    1. weekend or holiday and final events where host has maximum chance of winning medals an average middle class indian will be willing to spend the bucks for only once for his family (n times if olympics). we all know the so called 50 rs ticket will have the worst seats in the stadium for that i will watch it on tv or internet on time and place i choose .

    2. workday no common man is willing to waste his precious time and enjoy the security checks to watch a prelim event where host nation is not playing and shell out huge amount of money.

    3. kalmadi should have invited childrens to watch for free from schools which would have inspired him and he says he will do it lets see. most of the schools are closed and i think he will search in private run schools

    4. it aint olympics and if it is i may watch 2 or more events where my country is in final event or prelim . the money spent is worth it ( 4th pt is my choice and some may prefer cwg it is upto them).

    5. u should report how the wrestling team which won 3 golds so far have been cheered by medium size crowds because it is finals , late in the evening on a workday.

    6. what follow up u guys did when an athlete was killed in vancouver winter olympics due to unsafe track which recieved lot of complaints before the tragedy happened. atleast we have the wisdom to listen to our guests(athletes) problem and fix it asap. i didnt see any vicious cherry picking negative circus from media

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  • 69. At 3:52pm on 05 Oct 2010, Hunter wrote:

    Mr.Kentucker,
    You can see all these things happening britain as well....drugs,porstitutes,anti social behaviour, racism...hate culture...paedophiles..
    I think this shuold be the end of commonwealth...no one is intrested .. Where is the queen?What the hell is this netball???can you tell me?? can you think of the economic growth of 9%???if you were self suffcient, why did Mr.Cameroon came to india and beg for buisiness deals??

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  • 70. At 3:58pm on 05 Oct 2010, pgrain wrote:

    the only program in bbc without anyspin is bbc panorama and worth of ur tagline(am not so sure now). ur world news i watch to learn the art of spin. like positive spin about 26/11 like gunmen while if it is attack on london soil the fair spin evil terrorists. we know ur job is to follow the foreign policy of ur govt and dont live in any illusion that ppl are naive and cant read between the lines in developing countries.

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  • 71. At 4:00pm on 05 Oct 2010, mambo wrote:

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  • 72. At 4:28pm on 05 Oct 2010, bestgeorge wrote:

    The BBC should take the pressure off INDIA otherwise the BBC will lose credibility. Stop nitpicking. The old filthy pictures of the CWG Village are still being shown on the BBC website and in the introduction to CWG programmes on BBC Television. Much has been put right in the Games Village and the competitors testify to this. Update your pictures and reporting. Fair Play is the theme of the CWG. Fair Play should also be the theme of the BBC and its commentators and reporters.

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  • 73. At 4:28pm on 05 Oct 2010, Adrian wrote:



    "Some tickets can be purchased for as little as 50 rupees, which is about 70 pence."

    The Indian people that built the stadium earn 100 rupees a day, I suspect this has something to do with lack of attendance.

    http://www.tehelka.com/story_main47.asp?filename=hub091010We_Who.asp

    http://www.tehelka.com/channels/TheHub/2010/Oct/09/images/slideshow/slideshow1.asp

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  • 74. At 4:30pm on 05 Oct 2010, Yogye wrote:

    Drownedworld and Kentucker

    Indians are not thin skinned .It is just that they have been taking it for too long. We have decided its time we reacted. Get used to it.This is just the beginning.

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  • 75. At 4:47pm on 05 Oct 2010, Dellh wrote:

    all that I wonder is what on earth is the point of the Commonwealth Games . . it is a hang-over from the days of the British Empire and a way of gaining a few medals because of the weak opposition - no USA, no Russia, China etc. or any European countries even. We are trying to ecconomise apparently in the UK so what an amazing waste to expend all of this expense at such a time - a handful of people watching events and it is of little interest to the rest of the world - even the UK I suspect are only minimally interested. Forget 'past glories' of Colonial days and spend the money on improving Sports facilities at home in the UK say I!!

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  • 76. At 4:52pm on 05 Oct 2010, Alonsotheloser wrote:

    72# Have you seen the pictures of the athletics stadium lay off the BBC they are reporting exactly what they see. This is getting so pathetic India has had 7 years to prepare for this. The BBC would never lose credibility with sensible people, so bark as much as you must.

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  • 77. At 4:52pm on 05 Oct 2010, RowlandC wrote:

    Drowned World, Sorry, I don't follow.... I'm more than happy to slate the British media when it's wrong or passes off opinion as fact (thanks #58! that's a good one!). I just don't agree with you on an anti-Indian agenda is all, and think hanging the famously liberal minded BBC out to dry as being like the dear old xenophobic, ultra conservative, right wing Fox news is just plain silly. Like genuinely comparing someone who doesn't agree with you to being a Nazi... It's a joke, right?

    ...and you know very well I didn't brand ALL Indians thin skinned. But look, AGAIN you prove my point. Never mind what i wrote that was favorable toward India... I guess some people really are hell bent on taking offense.

    #68, great post. Britain doesn't have much a Winter Games team or profile so that tragic accident (some would say, and many did, 'manslaughter through negligence') didn't get the coverage it might have done if it were at a Summer Games. Just because the BBC didn't cover it extensively, doesn't mean they were covering anything up for a Western partner. Unfortunately, in the middle of the football season, as it was, precious little else gets much of a look in in the UK. Rugby, just about, in the broadsheet newspapers mainly, but everything else is football football football until the summer break.

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  • 78. At 4:54pm on 05 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    74. At 4:30pm on 05 Oct 2010, Yogye wrote:
    Drownedworld and Kentucker

    ...We have decided its time we reacted. Get used to it.This is just the beginning.


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    Beginning of the end, my dear Yogye. We are tired of you singing the praises of India. Learn some humility: you Indians will try to kick everyone else when you think you are on top, that is why you will never be on top. Success comes with grace, not aggression!
    Lersson: when you are on top, help the ones who are struggling!

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  • 79. At 4:57pm on 05 Oct 2010, LordProsperity wrote:

    I do agree that James has to report what he is seeing and empty seats are not a good spectacle. There is no point in saying James was being bias here as he has to say it whether it was Monday or Sunday. To fend off criticism he had to even resort to the cliche of saying "Nearly everybody who has ever visited India will vouch for the fact that the Indian people are special, friendly, helpful, charming and enthusiastic." which was no way related to CWG anyway.

    I think he is seeing the law of diminishing returns -- weeks of petty news about every small issue will sell for few days but once cannot thrive on that later. People cannot be that cynical, so the new sites must intersperse with some positive sports news to keep people hooked on to it.

    Tom Fordyce with his myopic view set a poor benchmark and trend for other fellow journalists (from BBC). So anything negative from any other BBC journalist is now unfortunately seen with suspicion. BBC should have been intelligent in removing Tom's article where he brings up moral issues regarding expenditure etc. immediately after the opening ceremony --- he has a comfortable win-win situation. If India does well he can cite India's poverty and say Indians are hypocrites (notwithstanding Britain's own poverty and his view on Olympics and Commonwealth in Britain) and if India had failed to do well in the opening ceremony he will again cite India's poverty as the reason for it -- very intelligent. In other words what Tom wants is only a handful so-called "rich" countries should host because the poor people in those countries have no rights and all other people in those countries have no moral issues in spending a lot with poverty around them!

    Well as the karma goes, all BBC journalists are now facing the ire for reportedly trying to sensationalize every small issue and I pity James for being part of the BBC team. His article could have been seen in proper perspective, but with the baggage of history of BBC news and articles in the last two weeks, it gets a different light.

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  • 80. At 5:03pm on 05 Oct 2010, josh wrote:

    why do you blame the fans when the queen itself is reluctant to come???
    India is a busy country... peoples focus on improving economy and increasing job should not be disturbed by the common wealth games... i believe if people work for the benefit of expanding our economy.. then in few years we can give a fitting reply to british media who under estimates India's capacity as a global power

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  • 81. At 5:03pm on 05 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    72. At 4:28pm on 05 Oct 2010, bestgeorge wrote:
    re-yr. attack on the BBC
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    The BBC has been great, living up to its tradition of a great Institution.
    What is it that you don't like about the BBC? For its truthful reporting?
    If you don't meet the standards of a civilised Nation eg. hygiene, you have only yourself to blame unless, of course, you like to wallow in filth. Get real! This CWG is a celebration of health & fitness. It shouldn't really be taking place in an unhealthy & unhygienic venue! If India were to host the Olympics based on what we have seen of it this past month, I'm afraid you will see a mass boycott of athletes!

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  • 82. At 5:06pm on 05 Oct 2010, BakedBeans wrote:

    >>> The BBC would never lose credibility with sensible people, so bark as much as you must.

    LOL

    washing machine overload was reported as AC leak and he went his camera ...etc

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  • 83. At 5:07pm on 05 Oct 2010, rockeyjuniour wrote:

    First update your lousy slow medals tally and talk your nonsense!!!! I am trying to get an update here from work during break and your lousy website has not updated the medals tally since 12.30 pm even wikipedia is updating medals tally as it happens in Delhi. Get off your back and do some work instead of making critics there .

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  • 84. At 5:11pm on 05 Oct 2010, josh wrote:

    @81: Have you ever been to India, India is a country of rich tradition and culture, once a very rich country, welcomed foreingners (east india company by the british) for trade, these foriegners took advantage of Indian hospitality, looted India, made it poor,... now India is rising again as global power, whether you like it or not, India will host olympics in future... and atheletes will die to come ... till then you can have your say

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  • 85. At 5:14pm on 05 Oct 2010, Yogye wrote:

    Enouigh people at hockey for the India Malysia match. The number of spectators at the Lawn Tennis watching Paes and Bhupathi are making enough noise.

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  • 86. At 5:17pm on 05 Oct 2010, Yogye wrote:

    Ian Cheese

    It is just the beginning of the beginning and as I said get used to it. We are just starting to crank up.

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  • 87. At 5:23pm on 05 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    86. At 5:17pm on 05 Oct 2010, Yogye wrote:
    Ian Cheese

    It is just the beginning of the beginning and as I said get used to it. We are just starting to crank up.

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    Get real! I hope your cranking will not bring your house down, knowing how unsafe structures can be! lol!

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  • 88. At 5:24pm on 05 Oct 2010, lammergeier wrote:

    I could change the country and change the event, the negative reporting stays the same.

    South Africa and the World Cup with British newspapers whinging about unsold seats, unnecessary expenditure, safety and security etc. etc. etc. Sounds familiar?

    Maybe it isn't the rest of the world that is wrong. Maybe the British just like to be negative and enjoy complaining.

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  • 89. At 5:32pm on 05 Oct 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    After trashin the people of delhi over these games u want them to come and attend ?? What about the athletes that backed off...Don't see anyone askin them to go....I say good on the people of India for exposin these games for what they are...A loot out of tax payers money....17 billion for these games ?? U gotta be kiddin me...The world cup and Olympics cost less...

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  • 90. At 5:43pm on 05 Oct 2010, Yogye wrote:

    Ian Cheese

    As I keep on saying get used to it. Or check with David Cameron who was here a couple of months ago. or Sarkozy, Medvedev or Osama who are due here in the next few weeks

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  • 91. At 5:49pm on 05 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    85. At 5:14pm on 05 Oct 2010, Yogye wrote:
    Enouigh people at hockey for the India Malysia match. The number of spectators at the Lawn Tennis watching Paes and Bhupathi are making enough noise.
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    Dear Yogye,

    Allow me to say;
    1. India-Malaysia. How come Malaysia, a tiny Muslim Nation, was able to host a successful CWG back in the last century?
    2. Are any International Games worth anything without the participation of the US, Russia & China? OK, Aussies being the exception because they are the Joker in the pack! And I don't want to offend the Aussies because they might beat me up. Just think of that. OK, someone said on this forum that the CWG is really an amateur affair. Hear! hear! So, at the end of it my dear boy, nothing to get worked up about.



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  • 92. At 5:54pm on 05 Oct 2010, DB Cooper wrote:

    James -

    Im not trying to be rude, but why should Indian people spend hard earned money going to see sports they may not care about or even like?

    Will you lecture me in 4 years time when I choose not to spend my money watching sports I dont care about in Glasgow?

    Should I go to those games to make it seem like a "success" to outsiders, regardless of whether or not I like the sports in question, or even agree with the event being held in Glasgow?

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  • 93. At 5:59pm on 05 Oct 2010, SU08 wrote:

    If the Celtic Manor can get 45,000 people onto a muddy golf course at 6.30am for upwards of £50 a piece, in the Welsh rain then, I don't understand why more than 100 people can't turn up for the netball or badminton.

    I'm sure those seats will be full in London and Glasgow.

    If the ticket prices are an issue, then that's fair enough, if people don't want to pay steep prices for a bad ticket then I don't blame them - but then that shows bad planning again by the organisers, because the tickets weren't either advertised or given away for very cheap of free.

    I went to the first day of events in Manchester for £40, and the arenas were full!

    Very big questions have been asked BY THE BRITISH MEDIA of London 2012 so this empty seat rubbish, doesn't happen - I'd rather have a strong, inquisitive media than a lousy sporting event.

    The British media get on Wembley's case when the pitch is poor, or when the chairman of the 2018 World Cup bid says something out of line, so why shouldn't they criticise?? Who cares if it's in a nation's interest for the media to be stum? When they're hosting athletes and fans from other nations around the world - they have a responsibility for health and safety. There's no excuse, the grass at the stadium should be laid and the track should be in place and flawless months ago. This is the bread and butter of hosting sporting events.

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  • 94. At 6:04pm on 05 Oct 2010, DrownedWorld wrote:

    #77
    RowlandC,
    You are really putting a weird spin to what I said. Anyway, to make myself clear, following are the salient points that I am trying to highlight:

    1. I AM slating BBC for anti-Indian bias in their coverage of CWG. The 'scoop' photos they famously published are proof of shoddy journalism at work.

    2. I am asking BBC to live up to better standards of reporting. I am not asking BBC to carry out pro-Indian propaganda.

    3. Just because I am bringing up this concern does not make me thin-skinned. When I feel my country is being deliberately and unjustly portrayed in a poor light, I have every right call out the wrongdoer.

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  • 95. At 6:08pm on 05 Oct 2010, cwg-fan wrote:

    Just watching the 6pm news on BBC1. The headline item related to CWG is "Track being relayed, fears for athelete safety". OK, granted, this is big news. But SURELY, SURELY!! today's Cwg related headline should have been that England/Scotland won gold medals. To me it is clear that sport is of ZERO importance to the media here, they only care about what's going wrong. It is shocking. The commonwealth games should be stopped immediately, no one really cares about who is winning anyway!
    Why the BBC would choose to deny the excellent atheletes who have won gold medals, the fame that they clearly deserve is beyond me. The news about the track is concerning but surely that should be tomorrow's headline, not todays!

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  • 96. At 6:15pm on 05 Oct 2010, Robert wrote:

    I have been watching a few events and can honestly say that I have been shocked with the lack of spectators in the events. They had the same problem in the Olympics and they got their voulenteers to attend the events. Its a shame really but with all the negative (but fully justified) press going on then it no wonder why these games have become a 'flop'. The stadium is not even ready 24 hours before competition is due to start, this is just not fair on the athletes who have trained SO hard to compete!!! lets hope Glasgow can show the world how it is supposed to be done in 2014!!

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  • 97. At 6:16pm on 05 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    90. At 5:43pm on 05 Oct 2010, Yogye wrote:
    Ian Cheese

    As I keep on saying get used to it. Or check with David Cameron who was here a couple of months ago. or Sarkozy, Medvedev or Osama who are due here in the next few weeks

    ---------------------------------

    Sorry Yogye,

    You are talking about very poor specimens of the human species here! Why is Kim of North Korea, Castro of Cuba & Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran not knocking on Delhi's doors?

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  • 98. At 6:18pm on 05 Oct 2010, oommenlondonindian wrote:

    Yes I have followed the games on BBC, and the stadiums are empty but also there was the classic cricket test match happening... and no way you could expect Indians to project and spend time at the commonwealth when the magic of India playing cricket happens in the subcontinent. Yes the news says that stadium is being prepared but guys it will all work out..and it will all be fine...That is why it is INDIA!! We might be laid back but we surely know how to make things happens and it will work well...

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  • 99. At 6:23pm on 05 Oct 2010, hizento wrote:

    What did they use to build the tracks? Quick sand?
    And why are Indian house wives employed to repair the tracks and not proper construction workers? I find all the chest beatings by Indians the last few days about being a superpower ridicilous.

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  • 100. At 6:23pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    stop whining about empty seats in aquatics and netball! Did you mention about boxing, tennis and hockey (India's games) because they are all packed!

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  • 101. At 6:25pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    well said cwg-fan..BBC loves to show the negatives of non-UK (apart from USA and Australia) countries, because they want to live in their imagination that there country is a perfect country lol

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  • 102. At 6:29pm on 05 Oct 2010, sammy wrote:

    BBC has no shame in showing England as 2nd in the Medal Tally. Actually India is second next to Australia in the Tally. I dont know how legal systems work in england, but if it were USA , BBC would have been sued for showing incorrect information.

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  • 103. At 6:32pm on 05 Oct 2010, hizento wrote:

    The Delhi CWG reminds me of the film "Carry On Abroad", if you seen it you know exactly what I mean....

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  • 104. At 6:34pm on 05 Oct 2010, sammy wrote:

    The trouble with English people is that the colonial mindset has not gone. And they dont want to change, they want to live in their victorian age. England is on the verge of bankruptcy as the government is printing money to save the economy. And yet they call themselves as 1st world or rich country. Spending money on something that you dont own is not the sign of wealth. I would not like to comment on these, but BBC journalists are mentioning poverty (in India) in sports section ...

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  • 105. At 6:34pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    exactly sammy...It's been like that for the past 2 hours. They have completely ignored the gold medals won by Indians in wrestling. Looks like BBC on a rampage to show the negatives of this games rather than enjoy the games

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  • 106. At 6:37pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    hizento, are you tyring to say that london olympics and glasgow 2014 are going to be like "carry on abroad"?? lol

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  • 107. At 6:38pm on 05 Oct 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    BBC update yr medals tally to show that India is 2nd....Yr bias is oozing out of here...:-)

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  • 108. At 6:42pm on 05 Oct 2010, sammy wrote:

    BBC is not CNN . What do you expect from people who live their lives in false egos? By not updating the medal tally , is an attempt to try England catch up India in the list, hence the waiting period.

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  • 109. At 6:44pm on 05 Oct 2010, updatemedal wrote:

    The medal table was not updated when I checked at noon. Do your job well before criticizing others. Remember how much painful it will be for the organizers to bear the criticism even after doing hard work day and night. Kalmadi looks like he has wept for the whole night. Media is searching for some wrong things so that even a slip of his tongue is reported.

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  • 110. At 6:47pm on 05 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    106. At 6:37pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:
    hizento, are you tyring to say that london olympics and glasgow 2014 are going to be like "carry on abroad"?? lol

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    Exactly! You see, we don't take ourselves seriously. Otherwise, we will end up like you over-eager, cliche-ridden & naive souls!

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  • 111. At 6:49pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    really, Ian cheese????? we know who made the biggest noise (whining) 2 weeks before the start of the commonwealth (still making that biggest noise) and during the world cup in SA...you know who I am talking about.

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  • 112. At 6:49pm on 05 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    104. At 6:34pm on 05 Oct 2010, sammy wrote:
    bla, bla, anti-British tirade
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    Tell me Sammy Mammy, what does the average Indian not own?

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  • 113. At 6:54pm on 05 Oct 2010, DrownedWorld wrote:

    #110
    "You see, we don't take ourselves seriously."

    Is that a virtue? Sounds like a serious problem to me.

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  • 114. At 7:08pm on 05 Oct 2010, Cape Town 2020 wrote:

    I don't think, based on some of the comments above, that people understand how empty these venues are. We're talking about a handful of people, literally, and in other cases, mainly the team supporters.

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  • 115. At 7:26pm on 05 Oct 2010, Alonsotheloser wrote:

    Wow some of these guys are really thick to not see what is going on, just for anyone’s information and Athletics track would need about 72 hrs minimum to set so god knows what is going to happen tomorrow. I cannot believe that any country in the world could have done worse than this even Zimbabwe, if something like this had happened in England (Impossible I know) the press and the public would have gone mad. Today has been a total farce power cuts and all sorts anybody who defends this shambles is a fool, if I was a top athlete (Not much there) I would go home immediately.

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  • 116. At 7:28pm on 05 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    111. At 6:49pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:
    really, Ian cheese????? we know who made the biggest noise (whining) 2 weeks before the start of the commonwealth (still making that biggest noise) and during the world cup in SA...you know who I am talking about.
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    Dear Jack,
    This is a fast moving world. Please remind me who you are referring to, thanks... and please provide evidence! Gotcha!

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  • 117. At 7:31pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    ofcourse british

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  • 118. At 7:49pm on 05 Oct 2010, BBC drama wrote:

    Some of the comments here seem a bit naive about the world's media at a big event.

    Why concentrate on bad things?", "You should be friendly to future superpower" etc.

    The world's media is rarely under state control, they write what they want. they are looking for ineresting stories and won't feel any need to be gentle on the games organisers or any particular host country. Why would they?

    Think back to the Olympic Games in the USA (Atlanta). All I can remember is the complaints and grumbles. Accusations that the Games were (supposedly) too overly commercialized, complaints about the cheerleaders, over crowding in the Olympic Village, poor quality of food, terrible transportation, athletes denied access to competitions, lack of atmosphere etc. If you doubt me, look it up.

    In the UK, Brits have not had to pay for the Delhi Games, so I’d say the adverse coverage is fairly modest; plus when the sports get more serious they’ll be other more positive stories to write about. If the 2012 London Olympic Games go pear-shaped the British press will go to town on the negative stories “£10 billion on a party and it’s a complete disaster!”.

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  • 119. At 7:56pm on 05 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    117. At 7:31pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:
    ofcourse british

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    You might be British but you don't come across as pukka. You are Oikish.

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  • 120. At 7:58pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    You might be British but you don't come across as pukka. You are Oikish.
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    I never thought all British are pukka...may be 20% in UK are pukaa?????

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  • 121. At 8:13pm on 05 Oct 2010, venkat wrote:

    I don't know what is so alarming about having no spectators. Indians don't give a toss about any sports other than cricket.That's a universal fact!! So they wont go and watch netball or some other mickey mouse sport even if tickets are given away for free..especially on a weekday. So lets just focus on fallen bridge/ceiling, filthy toilets,faulty scales, unfinished/damaged tracks etc.

    PS: People might turn up if u play bangra during netball or include Shahrukh khan in women's netball team :)

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  • 122. At 8:24pm on 05 Oct 2010, venkat wrote:

    Oh btw ..all the indian posters begging to focus on positives rather than negatives, because it hurts our national pride..take a break..there is nothing to be proud of when we can spend 70K crores on meaningless games ,but let millions of people starve, let millions of kids beg on the streets rather than being in school, let the poor die because they can't get proper medication...the list can go on. We need to get our priorities right and the only positive that can come out of this event is at least some of the powers that be might wake up and do the right thing. But that's a long shot :(

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  • 123. At 8:45pm on 05 Oct 2010, sammy wrote:

    At 6:49pm on 05 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:
    104. At 6:34pm on 05 Oct 2010, sammy wrote:
    bla, bla, anti-British tirade
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    Tell me Sammy Mammy, what does the average Indian not own?


    Average Indians are not crooked or Cunning.

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  • 124. At 8:47pm on 05 Oct 2010, ProudIndianCWG wrote:

    And the bickering continues ... I think BBC stands for Biased Bickering Club. And probably they have recruited the most pessimistic jerks to cover this event. People like Tom Fordyce and James simply cannot be pleased.

    James are you a sports writer or a regulator. You are going to write about the games or just give us an update on what went wrong today at CWG.

    People lets just boycott BBC for the rest of our life. Only then they will probably think about the tone they are writing.

    Let's see what u guys write for the London Games. I am sure by that time you would be at your Goody Best ...

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  • 125. At 8:48pm on 05 Oct 2010, jakthelass wrote:

    I have attended the last four Games for netball. After Melbourne, and as a twice-a-year visitor to India, I noted the dates well in advance and even booked my hotel in Delhi. THEN India Immigration brought in the rule that a tourist cannot return to India within two months of the previous visit and, as I am attending a wedding in Rajasthan early December, I am having to watch netball on tv here. NOT the same. And for the information of the person who commented "netball ... not football, is it" well, in Australia and New Zealand the netballers are as well known and lauded as star footballers here! And four of the flag bearers at the Opening Ceremony were netballers. An honoured position.

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  • 126. At 8:49pm on 05 Oct 2010, sammy wrote:

    The anger among British press is understandable , as their prince charles was not allowed to solely open the ceremony. President of India finally opened up the games whe she said, Let the games begin. This symbolic gesture is enough to let the world know that deceits have no place in the modern world.

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  • 127. At 9:06pm on 05 Oct 2010, AWK_00 wrote:

    The press is reporting what they are given to see - whats wrong with that? I am an Indian too and I am sick of seeing everything in these games coming down to wire - Fine, we pulled off a decent opening ceremony - but that in itself is not an excuse for leaving everything for the last moment. What will it take for us to change our attitude towards respecting deadlines, becuase they mean something? Even after the opening ceremony, my fingers are crossed and I hope there is no upcoming disaster. We Indians need to come off our holier than rest of the world attitude - and questioning our ownselves and our lax work ethic is probably the first step towards that.

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  • 128. At 9:21pm on 05 Oct 2010, billion_plus wrote:

    Of course everything thing will fall in place at the last minute!

    Didn't you seen the nail-biting India-Aus test match :-)))))

    This is India!!!!

    Calm down and do some yoga now.

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  • 129. At 9:22pm on 05 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    120. At 7:58pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:
    I never thought all British are pukka...may be 20% in UK are pukaa?????
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    Precisely, if that. Your ignorance betrays your lack of education & social position.
    But, mind you, I am only a Bus driver.

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    123. At 8:45pm on 05 Oct 2010, sammy wrote:
    Average Indians are not crooked or Cunning.
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    Tell that to the Marines.

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  • 130. At 9:23pm on 05 Oct 2010, Vikas Shetty wrote:

    I agree with James Pearce about wasted empty seats. It's such a shame. It could have been given to school children-but next few weeks may see packed stadiums.
    WHAT I REALLY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT is how biased BBC has been in reporting this entire commonwealth games. If there is a negative story then that is part of the headlines if not CWG is not even mentioned.

    You professional journalists listen 'THESE GAMES ARE NOT ABOUT YOU'. Its about the athletes who train and compete to win. Negative coverage before the start of these games led to unnecessary drop outs-How is that the infamous village is not a problem anymore? some are even pleased with it. India is trying to hold their first ever major sporting event. This a learning experience for them.Give them some encouragement- that is what nice people do.Highlight the athletes who have won. Highlight their stories. That is what actual sport loving viewers want to hear.

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  • 131. At 9:29pm on 05 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    130. At 9:23pm on 05 Oct 2010, Vikas Shetty wrote:
    ...but next few weeks may see packed stadiums.
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    Dear Vikas,
    You have a funny sense of time or it it India that does that to you?
    The games have only another 9 days to run!

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  • 132. At 9:31pm on 05 Oct 2010, billion_plus wrote:

    ian cheese wrote:
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    123. At 8:45pm on 05 Oct 2010, sammy wrote:
    Average Indians are not crooked or Cunning.
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    Tell that to the Marines.

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    huh? what are you on about?

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  • 133. At 9:39pm on 05 Oct 2010, billion_plus wrote:

    Can't believe the BBC journos are still trying to find something to whinge about. Also a bunch of unhappy, sad people seem to be joining in the bashing.

    The bashers have themselves become the joke now!

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  • 134. At 9:39pm on 05 Oct 2010, Luketerr wrote:

    ian cheese .....I've noticed u bein on almost all blogs about the games in India and u hv only terrible thing to say about that country....I now gettin the impression that u maybe here under someone else's vested interest and u may not even be an "Ian cheese" if u know what I mean....Is this yr day job ????

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  • 135. At 9:43pm on 05 Oct 2010, Alonsotheloser wrote:

    124# There is not enough web pages to report what has gone wrong at these games.

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  • 136. At 9:49pm on 05 Oct 2010, Mike Mullen wrote:

    Track at the stadium is under repair, the infield is only half laid, is that the BBC's fault? The administration of this games has been a farce and all the accusations of bias and negativity can't change that.

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  • 137. At 9:50pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    Ian Cheese, your comments make me laugh because your comments are like general british-ignorant, arrogant and think too much of yourself! I guess you have forgotten Manchester 2002! No wonder your economy is going down the hill ha ha ha

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  • 138. At 10:02pm on 05 Oct 2010, sun1002 wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 139. At 10:07pm on 05 Oct 2010, Logikal wrote:

    Is it surprising? after living in UK and see how Brit media operates, it is very clear that this was expected. They are full of negative stuff when it comes to other country affairs .. I remember Brit media critisising Portugal legal system when that girl went missing (can't recall the name)! and BBC was discussing as if Portugese legal system is controlled by some mafia or backward system !!

    I have been in many countries during international sports events and except English no one wants England to do well. It has lot to do with how media behaves. I dread Murray winning anything or England doing well in WC because of potential media reaction.. Brit media needs come of their moral high horse and stop behaving like global nanny ... we have seen your morals for centuries. Enough.

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  • 140. At 10:12pm on 05 Oct 2010, RowlandC wrote:

    How very wearying. Nasty little boys stirring up racist bile AGAIN, all under the pretext of wanting to keep it about Sport rather than politics and prejudice. Keep poking with the stick kiddies, someone will give you the backlash you crave to justify your nastiness I'm sure.

    Drowned, shame we didn't meet in the middle before the nonsense kicked in, I would have been interested in some links. You seem to have access to stuff I've not yet seen, i would have liked to judge for myself. I've yet to be convinced with your strident opinion but you are at least civil and willing to engage rather than simply sling racist s**t around. Maybe next time.

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  • 141. At 10:14pm on 05 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    132. At 9:31pm on 05 Oct 2010, billion_plus wrote:
    137. At 9:50pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    re-alleged India bashing/bias
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    Please provide evidence from my postings that I have attacked India. I have tried to set the record straight in replying to some of your posts & that may have ruffled a few feathers but in no way can that be construed as an attack on India. I have tried to point out the best things about India & the Indians eg. the Indian indifference to Sports when everyone else is obssessed by & about it.

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  • 142. At 10:15pm on 05 Oct 2010, Khan_79 wrote:

    Well i am not surprised after reading this from an Englishman. Everyone is saying BBC's negative publicity but we have to understand every nation has their signatures and properties. English moan, moan since they come out of womb, all their lives even just before they die. They moan even millions of them live on benefits and if they cant moan on anything then they moan on weather. We have to understand.
    Commonwealth, all i see it common as a nation which has just fish and potatoes well few strawberries as well 600 years ago offers benefits to its nation don't we know where did all this come from even the diamond engraved on her majesty's crown is Indian. thats how its common.
    Poverty and civilization well there is a place in Yorkshire kept as English heritage where residents use to eat and shit at same place. One cant find such a place in whole of uncivilized India.

    When they have more jobs less workers they smile and invite but when they have more local workers and less jobs they moan on immigration issues and call it home office disaster. Foolish because system and data base of national insurance is some thing where it will take a second to find anyone's reality.

    Last but not least James mate. India is not a country where millions live on benefits or on dole money. This is a working class country. You cant expect them to turn up same as UK on working days.

    James i know its all irrelevant here but being a sports correspondent covering India's poverty in sports section is irrelevant as well.

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  • 143. At 10:16pm on 05 Oct 2010, the-tiger wrote:

    Indians normally watch sport on TV and not in stadia. Nothing new...

    This is not an embarrassment...its a failure on part of organisers, nothing to do with people of India. And CWG Federation, which is led/dominated by officials from UK/Aus/etc has a case to answer as well in this.

    And regarding this pitch issue in the Athletics stadium, isn't this a familiar story at Wembley which costed 800 million pounds and several delays...and there are many other stories (T5, Dome, etc).

    The main point is why politicians and a few elite in all countries are allowed to get away with bidding and hosting games (Olympics, etc) and spend so much money which could be used in any country much more wisely. The 10 billion on London Olympics could have been spent on poor or to develop infrastructure or on other 'green' initiatives instead.

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  • 144. At 10:31pm on 05 Oct 2010, bestgeorge wrote:

    Why are the British press and commentators still harping on the dirty athletes village ?. Remedial action was taken. Kate Walsh the England Women's Hockey Captain today on BBC Television described the facilities in the village as fantastic, with spacious rooms and excellent food. She said the facilities were perhaps the best ever, and the stadium was excellent.
    The problems have been resolved and as new problems come up they will be tackled. Some boxers were overweight and blamed the scales. Despite that the boxing tournament started on schedule.

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  • 145. At 11:04pm on 05 Oct 2010, Daph Walker wrote:

    I do not think that BBc is doing selective coverage on this topic, considering that India boasts more than a billion people. It is possible that they did not know what were the games at this event. It's high time Indian public knew that there are many games in the world apart from their favourite cricket.

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  • 146. At 11:33pm on 05 Oct 2010, silentvoice wrote:

    Vow, these comments made me write. I usually do not speak out.
    Agreed, there were a million things going wrong at the CWG. But, remember this is the the organisation of the first major sporting event in a developing country. Let us all encourage them, be sportive!! Don't compare them with the immaculate precision of organisation and planning that takes place in western countries. I think in spite of the numerous, glitches, India has pulled it off pretty well, don't you think? This is not an everyday event in India and don't expect everything to be perfect. I wouldn't be surprised if things went wrong. Please get past your petty criticisms and be supportive of the true spirit of CWG !!

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  • 147. At 11:38pm on 05 Oct 2010, belur wrote:

    Ian cheese wrote in post no 78
    Learn some humility: you Indians will try to kick everyone else when you think you are on top, that is why you will never be on top. Success comes with grace, not aggression!
    Lersson: when you are on top, help the ones who are struggling

    Hello Ian Cheese
    It is a joke you are giving this lecture on morality. What did you British do when you were on top? Answer -looted asian and African countries. Where was your Grace and helping nature? Even now you are doing same(illegal war in Iraq for looting the oil, unfair trade methods penalising poor African nations). We Indians were looted by you people. The poverty and poor standards you talk are your creation but in 60 years of Independace we have come up with sheer hard work without looting anybody. Yes redistribution of wealth has yet to happen but remember we have achieved this just in 60 years.
    The opening ceremony showed the world our rich history and culture. What will you show in 2012 Olympics ceremony? I suggest you show your tradition and culture for example you could create a big ship showing thousands of slaves being brought from Africa, and also you can show all the loot including Kohinoor diamond in your museums looted from other countries.

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  • 148. At 11:41pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    silentvoice wrote "immaculate precision of organisation and planning that takes place in western countries."

    Really, we still remember Manchester 2002, Melbourne 2006 and it works in UK. I hope I dont have to write a list for you.

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  • 149. At 11:42pm on 05 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    A spelling erro..silentvoice wrote "immaculate precision of organisation and planning that takes place in western countries."

    Really, we still remember Manchester 2002, Melbourne 2006 and we know how things work in UK. I hope I dont have to write a list for you.

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  • 150. At 11:49pm on 05 Oct 2010, bestgeorge wrote:

    Competing British Sportsmen and Sportswomen are being appreciative and gracious at the Delhi Games. It is the British Press and TV Commentators who are constantly whingeing.

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  • 151. At 11:53pm on 05 Oct 2010, belur wrote:

    James First do your job properly before lecturing others. British tax payers have sent you to India to report honestly on CWG. Your medals table is showing Bangladesh in 2nd place. Shame on BBC and you

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  • 152. At 00:06am on 06 Oct 2010, silentvoice wrote:

    @Jack123: Agreed. Well, let me put it this way. The western countries in general do a much better job in planning and organisation that the Indian government. There is still room for India to work on this front.

    @belur: They are just in the alphabetical order of countries that have won atleast 1 medal so far. Since the games are still are still in progress, that table is just one way of displaying the medal list. Fine by me.

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  • 153. At 00:07am on 06 Oct 2010, messis_wendy_house wrote:

    Let's face it who cares about the commonwealth games anyway? If it was the olympics the attendance would have been far higher. If usain bolt was running you can guarantee the stadium would be packed.

    If you had a football stadium in india and man u or doncaster were playing...who would you rather watch?

    actually don't answer that...

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  • 154. At 00:29am on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    silentvoice, then how come your country's economy is going down the hill, and what about the millenium bridge, if you guys are renowned for planning everything meticulously!!!!!

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  • 155. At 00:34am on 06 Oct 2010, belur wrote:

    Silent Voice, OK medals table is in alphabetical order but why is it showing only 2 golds to India when India has already won 5 Golds?

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  • 156. At 00:45am on 06 Oct 2010, silentvoice wrote:

    @Jack123: Nobody is perfect, everybody has room for improvement. There is a fine line between being critical and making a judgement.

    Lets be sportive. Lets all hope for a wonderful turnout of the CWG 2010 and wish for its success!

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  • 157. At 00:59am on 06 Oct 2010, Sam wrote:

    Any good things in in India not going to covered by any of british media.It is a fact, media trying your level best to show India down. One month old dirty toilet given more attention on the UK News (tv/print) than the opening ceremony. Any british media can justify why they not given any importence to opening cermoney?. We Indian living in this country and working for this contry are disappointed with your bad comment from commonwealth games.
    BBC and british media is not cares about the commonwealth games. You people are looking what is wrong, how to find any faults.Shame on you all reporters. In this devoloped country I am able to get many photo's of dirty toilets. But it does't mean all british toilets are dirty. So please stop this type of news, try to report about the games insted of giving study class to indian people and picking silly falts

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  • 158. At 01:04am on 06 Oct 2010, silentvoice wrote:

    @belur: Take it easy! I understand your anxiety though. Even the official website http://results.cwgdelhi2010.org/en/Root.mvc/Medals shows only 2 golds to India as of yet. Give the webpages time to be updated, if you want detailed results, then choose the results by day and results by sport tab on the bbc website, may be it gives more up to date results, haven't checked. I don't rate bbc to be top site to look for the most updated news though.

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  • 159. At 01:41am on 06 Oct 2010, bigotboy wrote:

    Here we go again ..another variation on an endlessly repeated theme.

    You Brits (well the BBC ones anyway ) have too much money ,too many resources , too many reporters ,too much time on your hands ...the BBC always seems to have a huge retinue at these kind of events wandering around looking for copy..other countries (including countries with higher living standards ) cover events like this with a much smaller budget (perhaps the two things are connected ) Glad it's not my money paying for you guys

    Incidentally, I'm sure you BBC wallahs well know that Britain has the highest ratio of sports reporters to elite sportspeople in the world..I doubt whether this statistic is the subject of international envy

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  • 160. At 01:41am on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    @silentvoice, that's what people are trying to tell Journalists from UK and Australia for the past few days. Try to enjoy the game and comment mainly on that! I guess you read Tom Foydce's blog a few hours after the opening ceremony was over. Whatever he wrote was uncalled for. Nobody is trying to judge anyone. If so, we would have laughed at England when their badminton team withdrew from the World badminton Champions last year. Actually, they withdrew just one day before the champions started and they were the only team to do so. Despite this and successful completion of the championship, we did not ridcule your country!!!! By the way BBC did not follow it up and never published that the tournament was finished successfully. Dude, it's sports. We are all there to enjoy and not to ridcule other countries. If you had watched the opening ceremony, pakistan team got the loudest cheers during the parade.

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  • 161. At 02:03am on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    @silentvoice, I don't know where you go that link from but check out this link. It gives the right medals tally since 5 hours ago!!!!!!!

    http://results.cwgdelhi2010.org/en/Root.mvc/Medals

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  • 162. At 02:20am on 06 Oct 2010, updatemedal wrote:

    LEAVE THE INDIAN SPECTATORS. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FOREIGN SPECTATORS? THE WESTERNERS ARE SPORTS ENTHUSIASTS AND WHY DIDN'T THEY EVEN FILL THE EMPTY SEATS 10%?

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  • 163. At 05:01am on 06 Oct 2010, silentvoice wrote:

    @Jack123, there have been problems with the commonwealth games website. Your link is the same as the mine that I provided earlier. Look at the snapshot time and date for http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Qv5T4pReWK8J:results.cwgdelhi2010.org/en/Root.mvc/Medals+http://results.cwgdelhi2010.org/en/Root.mvc/Medals&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
    (If this cache result gets updated, I cannot help it, but when I checked it at 01:04am on 06 Oct 2010 website clock, it hadn't still updated the medals. Anyways, no point debating on this trivial issue.)

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  • 164. At 05:45am on 06 Oct 2010, Shubhu wrote:

    I am surprised how empty seats in commonwealth games have been blown out of proportion. You yourself mentioned that the lowest ticket is of Rs 50, but do you even realize how much value does a 50 rs carry for a common man in India? There are many people in the capital who don't even make Rs 50 a day, and the people who can afford to watch such luxuries don't have off from work. India is a developing country and has never organized any such big event before, we should all support her efforts rather than looking for opportunities to criticize it. You won't find empty seats in a stadium of cricket match because that is what even a common man understands. And on top of everything, why should anyone purchase a ticket/ spend money on traveling/ stand in a queue when one can watch the live coverage of CWG on his home television?

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  • 165. At 06:44am on 06 Oct 2010, billion_plus wrote:

    "Despite the concerns, all the competitions have so far started as scheduled."

    What the **** are you making a fuss about?

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  • 166. At 07:27am on 06 Oct 2010, cwg-fan wrote:

    Guess how many news paper front pages are covering the story of english/scottish gold medals here in the UK today. Yes, you guessed it right...ZERO! Not a single one. Many are however covering the fate of one of the X-factor participants on the front page. I think that just about sums up the importance of commonwealth games. No one gives a toss about the sporting value of CWG, it's just a nice headline when there is a slip up from the organisers.

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  • 167. At 07:34am on 06 Oct 2010, Monika wrote:

    The truth is, How many Indians can really afford to buy a ticket for Rs 750 or 1000 and above?? If anyone goes through the websites, all those ticket for Rs 200 or 250 are sold out. its been, since the begining. I personally have been to the one stadium where we were told there is no Ticket available. The organising commitee should either reduce the rates to about 200 or check, where those tickets have disappeared to. And why are free passes given to the officials and VIPS where as ordinary citizens have to shell out money from their pocket??

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  • 168. At 08:42am on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    147. At 11:38pm on 05 Oct 2010, belur wrote:
    --- What did you British do when you were on top? Answer -looted asian and African countries.
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    Dear Belur,

    Thank you for replying to my post.

    Firstly, let me point out that you are able to say what you do only because there was a British Empire, then a Commonwealth, which still exists today, hence the CWG. And India is using the CWG to showcse herself, whether successfully or not is beside the point.

    The British entrepreneurs & freeloaders who first looted &/or conducted trade abroad asked for protection & that was how the British Empire was reluctantly created. Successive British governments then laid the framework & infrastructure for their Colonies, building, roads, railways, schools, hospitals, etc. for the Natives & to facilitate her own business i.e. what you call looting. But through their own selfish actions, if you like, the British also fasttracked many of her colonies into the modern era, India being one of them. The British did not cause the poverty & bad hygiene in India, it is endemic to India.

    You brilliantly suggested that part of the 2012 Olympics spectacle should include episodes of British history eg. Slave ships & Blacks being captured & carted off to far flung corners of the British Empire. I personally have no issue with this, I think it will be a visual feast, thanks for your suggestion.

    Koh-i-Noor diamond. This is history. Would India return her thefts, say, from 700 years' ago?

    You mention our sad involvement in Iraq & Afghanistan. Sad, yes, because we the majority are against it & the Prime Minister responsible for it is a much revilved & hated figure in the UK. On that score, India has her present day problems eg. the hounding & genocide of the Dalits & other aboriginals, Kashmir, etc.

    The British today, if anything, are a very pleasant people.

    best.




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  • 169. At 09:21am on 06 Oct 2010, typomitch wrote:

    #10 ...."The seats will fill up eventually as we move into the first week and as more important events take place."

    Tell that to the athletes who are competing in their events at the start. There is no more important events than the one they are themselves fighting for gold in.

    You clearly have some other issue with the British media. Im no fan of them myself but I wont get on the media's back because of the coverage of these games. You cannot deny the fact that THE DAY BEFORE the athletics were due to take place the organisers were still laying track and grass. The press are not 'picking' on India in any way, just simply saying how surprised they are (we all are) by the conditions and preperations of certain aspects of the games.

    I still think its great that countries like South Africa and India are being given the chance to show their fantastic culture and originality through major sporting events, but the fact remains Delhi has had issues with being fully ready for this and that is how the media are reporting it.

    I will no doubt go back to being infuriated by the press at times but for now will just enjoy watching the games in India and also watch Scotland bring home more gold medals.....(hopefully).

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  • 170. At 10:02am on 06 Oct 2010, nitesh wrote:

    Mr. 66 your name says that you are a loser and you definitely sound like that.....and as far as Athletics is concerned...my dear friend am working in Athletics Stadium and James can come and meet me anytime here. We are all ready to host the first event of Athletics...very much on time and if you need some good pics I can mail you that also(It may hurt your fake European pride and arrogance)....by the way Athletics stadium is one of the largest, beautiful stadium in the world(sorry to hurt your sentiments again!!!)....And my dear loser friend even a kindergarten child can judge why i was asking him to get me tickets....And please there are few other good things to do in this world than to keep on commenting on websites and openly showing your stupidity and ignorance!!!!and if you know this fact that on opening day 80K spectators, 5k OC staff,10K security and 10K performers were present in this Athletics stadium. And we were to shift from ceremony mode to games mode and we did it very nicely.... at least better than any European country with handful of people and inefficient labour!!!! And finally thanks a lot my dear friend for your never ending interest in our country and our initiatives...I am grateful to you for your enthusiasm and involvement in our games(evident from your comments)

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  • 171. At 10:09am on 06 Oct 2010, samind wrote:

    Dear Cheese,

    I quote -

    LORD MACAULAY'S ADDRESS TO THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT, 2 FEBRUARY, 1835
    I have travelled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such calibre, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, their native culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation.

    Hmm..So get off your high horse..the British Empire is as big a blot on UK as is Hitler on Germany. If you dont hear it in those terms its simply coz the Yankees are in power and you are their Robin.

    There are thousands of Indians who will ensure London games get 'rightly' reported....all the best..you will need it all.

    Cheers,
    Wellwisher

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  • 172. At 10:49am on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    171. At 10:09am on 06 Oct 2010, samind wrote:
    re-the evils? of the British Empire
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    Dear Samind,

    Me on my high horse? In no way have I given cause for anyone to accuse me of striking a superior stance. If you feel that I have done so it is simply owing to your innate inferiority complex & aggression. I am only a robin in my small garden.

    1. I hope everything goes wrong with the London Olympics, adds to the fun as far as I am concerned;
    2. Ld. Macaulay hoping that the Indians 'will lose their self-esteem', etc., OK, that was how the cookie crumbled in those days; however, without the likes of him we will not be communicating today!
    3.You conveniently left out what I pointed out: the Indian genocide of Dalits & other aboriginals & the oppression of Muslims in Kashmir. And that is continuing right this very moment!

    best

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  • 173. At 10:53am on 06 Oct 2010, James Pearce wrote:

    Well this blog has certainly provoked a lot of debate. Thanks for all your comments. Let me first say that ticket sales are definitely picking up. One of the most heartening sights I've seen at these Ganes was the queue at the main stadium's ticket office today. Here's a photo:
    http://twitpic.com/2v2lcp
    I'd like to make another observation as well. There are many comments on this blog from Indian people defending Delhi and the organisation of the Games. If you look back at the comments made on BBC blogs two weeks ago there were far fewer comments supporting the Games and much more criticism of the organisers. This reinforces my view that public opinion in India has really swung firmly behind the Games. That has to be great news for everybody involved.
    When i spoke to some of those queuing at the ticket office this morning they told me that the success of the Opening Ceremony had persuaded them to go out and buy tickets.
    As I said in the blog, if the people of Delhi get behind these Games then they will be a success, and I am more confident today than I ever have been that that can be the case.
    Some of the comments from people here have been really unfair about India and Indian people. Whatever has happened in the build up to these Games it is only right that the rest of the World gives them a chance to succeed.
    I reported on the Vancouver Winter Olympics. They began with a storm of negative publicity but ended being described as some of the best ever. That's now the challenge for Delhi.

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  • 174. At 10:56am on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    Why this statement is missing in BBC when you can show all the negatives of the village..Games Village is best ever in history of CWG: Fennel
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cwgarticleshow/6698492.cms

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  • 175. At 11:00am on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    Ian cheese wrote "You conveniently left out what I pointed out: the Indian genocide of Dalits & other aboriginals & the oppression of Muslims in Kashmir. And that is continuing right this very moment!"

    Indian genocide of Dalits????? what newspaper do you read mate? It seems like you have never been updated since 1960s.

    Oppression of muslims in Kashmir? where did you read that? Again, you have been reading biased reports from certain newspapers (like BBC)..check out this link to update your knowledge on this matter!

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/We-trained-militant-groups-against-India-admits-Musharraf/articleshow/6690676.cms

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  • 176. At 11:13am on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    113. At 6:54pm on 05 Oct 2010, DrownedWorld wrote:
    #110
    "You see, we don't take ourselves seriously."

    Is that a virtue? Sounds like a serious problem to me.
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    Virtue or vice: That says more about you than us, sorry mate!
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    173. At 10:53am on 06 Oct 2010, James Pearce wrote:
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    Now watch out for the backlash! India has more bums than seats!

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  • 177. At 11:22am on 06 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    I’m a Delhite and I’ll be honest. It’s true, many people in India don’t have much interest in sports other than cricket but that’s the whole purpose of having Commonwealth Games in Delhi. India is now emerging from a very damaging British rule; it’s only recently that athletes are showing interest in sports other than cricket. India is a growing economy, a cricketing nation, a military super power and soon will be a sporting nation. The western media and athletes from western countries are finding it difficult to adjust to a different culture and different ways of doing things. The majority of athletes I’m sure are enjoying the event but the media is focusing on minor incidents and a handful of athletes who are just complaining on trivial matters.

    Now, there is so much fuss about Nehru stadium not ready after the opening ceremony. Well that’s not the problem for the athletes, it will be ready when they walk in for the event. Please have patience. That’s the Indian way of doing things and it works. You will have a nightmare driving in Delhi as it’s a different experience to any western country. I’m glad media has not yet focused on driving style in Delhi. I just heard from a loosing hockey team complaining about heat in Delhi. Well you can’t now start complaining about Delhi weather. Typical looser attitude.

    Now for empty seats. Let’s say during London Olympics there is a world cup football qualifier between England and Germany. How many people will go watch Olympics? Unfortunately, India was playing a cricket test match with their arch rivals Australia and that’s why the empty seats. Somebody made a comment about people not having enough money to buy tickets. Well, If you are from Delhi I am sorry that you are so poor but if you are from outside India then , wake up. Majority of people in Delhi are very very rich, you have to live in a normal middle class house to see how people live like kings compared to any person living in Central London. Most people have chauffeurs, maids who clean the house and wash clothes, full time baby sitters and the list goes on. Western media will only show you poor slums, rickshaw pullers and parts of Old Delhi. Never thought BBC will take the “Sun “route.

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  • 178. At 11:36am on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    177. At 11:22am on 06 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:
    India... a military super power, etc.
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    Why do you Indians harp on about being a military super power? Do you have an agenda? Given the way you have handled the CWG I am more fearful that the Indian Nuclear bombs might implode! i.e. you are more a danger to yourselves. Besides, don't forget the Pakistanis! They are also a nuclear power but they don't boast about it. As they say, 'slowly, slowly catch a monkey' if you have any designs whatsoever.

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  • 179. At 11:37am on 06 Oct 2010, Rajesh wrote:

    Well!!Western Media should first try to understand Indian diaspora before thinking Why.We Indians dont get paid as Non-employement Allowances.We are games and movies.The Sunday event of Opening Ceremony was a proof.I am sure 90% of Indians even do not know What is Netball.I would have appreciated if these comments used to come from an Indian reporter for Western Media who very well understands his own Country.I hope Media would have a broader perspective and do not show just what only these two eyes can see and two ears can hear.I am really sorry about James view and hope Delhi gives me a chance to see things more deeply

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  • 180. At 11:47am on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    ian cheese, "the Indian Nuclear bombs might implode! i.e. you are more a danger to yourselves"..that's hilarious! come on mate, just because we do have our own wroking system like European or Chinese or American,does not mean we lack anything. This is shown in our economic growth. Dude, our nuclear weapons are safe but imagine what will happen to your country when taliban captures nuclear weapons in pakistan? Pakistani's have too many problems to deal with and their economic growth is probably one of the lowest in the world. hence, they don't boast about it.

    Please read this link also to update yourself....
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cwgarticleshow/6698492.cms

    by the way, why are you trying so hard to prove how ignorant and outdated you are when it comes to India!

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  • 181. At 11:47am on 06 Oct 2010, Rajesh wrote:

    And Well!!Another Thing to point If Western Media is so desperate to look for Indian People at Indian Stadium why they issued Warning for their own citizens for coming to India.The same stadiums can be well filled by Westerners who have both time,money and holidays to spend on extravagances and also would have helped my country to generate revenue.Your Lives are precious and hence Westerners dont want them to come out and expect that Indians who die everyday in millions of poverty,sanitation,disease to come over and be the victims of any threat which according to me is highly unprobable in my country which at least do not boast of Mafias existing in Italy and Spain

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  • 182. At 11:48am on 06 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    Well Mr Ian Cheese, One thing is for sure that you are from Pakistan. The intention to point out that India is a military super power is just to convey that India in just 63 years of independence is regaining its old glory despite 200 years of British loot and robbery. Also, we can defend our country against any enemy. We made a mistake to let British in the country as guests who had other plans and stabbed us in the back But no such mistake will be ever made again. There is no pride in owning Nukes, as that’s the worst evil on this planet. Unfortunately India has Nukes as somebody feels that’s the best way to feel secure if you are sharing borders with China and Pakistan. CWG fiasco is a result of poor management and a responsibility of a handful of incompetent people and politicians. BUT even CWG will be pulled off successfully. Pakistan has nothing to boast about, do I need to write a book here!!??

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  • 183. At 12:25pm on 06 Oct 2010, Aru wrote:

    ''England women's hockey coach Danny Kerry slammed Commonwealth Games organisers after his team were forced to play in baking and 'dangerous' 40-degree temperatures''

    Give up guys what do you expect when you got play in different country. I hope they might not ask for indoor hockey stadium with air conditioning.
    Haaaaaaaaaaaa Bloody whimps

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  • 184. At 12:42pm on 06 Oct 2010, bigotboy wrote:

    For all those people commenting on India's medal tally I wouldn't take CWG medal tallies too seriously.. the programme is such that it is intended to make India look good ( all those wrestling and shooting events) ...which is fair enough as that's the nature of the CWG.
    Of course the CWG also allows GB to have a very large no of competitors ...I think I heard that 10 GB swimmers qualified for some swimming semi final (which would be against Australia's 3 max out of 16 ) As well, being India,there is invariably a large no of competitors who are not feeling 100% and who are competing at below their best
    Anyway I'd suggest India will certainly be in the top three here on the medal tally (knocking off Canada ) but certainly won't be among the top 6 Commonwealth countries at London 2012.. and maybe not even in the top ten
    Those people commenting on the cricket surprise me...I'd always thought England and Australia were each others great rival and that India's was Pakistan.. but maybe there's an unlimited no of great rivalries to Indians

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  • 185. At 1:13pm on 06 Oct 2010, docrex wrote:

    ian_cheese

    'Successive British governments then laid the framework & infrastructure for their Colonies, building, roads, railways, schools, hospitals, etc. for the Natives & to facilitate her own business i.e. what you call looting.'

    My God, that infrastructure bill was very large compared to the CWG bill!

    What a poor poor way of condoning imperialism!

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  • 186. At 1:35pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    180. At 11:47am on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:
    ian cheese, "the Indian Nuclear bombs might implode! i.e. you are more a danger to yourselves"..that's hilarious! come on mate, just because we do have our own wroking
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    Precisely mate, just after seeing how you people can make a fiasco over the preparation for the CWG, a simple affair, as opposed to nuclear fusion & delivery systems for nuclear warheads. You might arrive at a war a day late! When it is all over, including yourselves! Lol!
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    182. At 11:48am on 06 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:
    ...Unfortunately India has Nukes as somebody feels that’s the best way to feel secure if you are sharing borders with China and Pakistan.
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    Right, the way you are boasting about having nuclear weapons, you are just making your neighbours nervous.
    Sorry to disappoint you, I am not fortunate enough to be a Pakistani.
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    181. At 11:47am on 06 Oct 2010, Rajesh wrote:
    re-poor attendance by Western Nations
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    Perhaps if India can show a more hygienic face... Ouch!
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    Something about the Scottish team overloading their washing machine & causing a flood. Typical Jocks! When will they ever learn & not let the side down!

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  • 187. At 1:46pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    well Ian cheese, what can I say about your lack of understanding about nuclear weapons. the nuclear weapons are made by Scientists and not politicians, whereas games are organised by politicians. I hope you understand the difference.
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    "Right, the way you are boasting about having nuclear weapons, you are just making your neighbours nervous"

    So why do you guys have nuclear weapons????? That's probably why we feel the necessity to have one too!
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    about the hygine, just because there are one or two cases of dengue fever does not mean that whole of India is not hygenic. If not, how can we have 1.5 billion people going strong in this country, lol. please change your victorian thinking dude

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  • 188. At 1:47pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    Ian cheese this is specially for you...

    MLF on the village and the track:
    "I think there has been a lot of fuss. I am very comfortable in the village and on the warm-up track. India is putting on a great show, man. I am enjoying my moment here."

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  • 189. At 1:47pm on 06 Oct 2010, betty_16 wrote:

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  • 190. At 1:49pm on 06 Oct 2010, cwg-fan wrote:

    works from top british athlete Mark Lewis-Francis:
    MLF on the village and the track:
    "I think there has been a lot of fuss. I am very comfortable in the village and on the warm-up track. India is putting on a great show, man. I am enjoying my moment here."
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    I am saddened to see that such positive words from the athletes themselves never make the headlines. And why would they, the press is only looking for car crash material.

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  • 191. At 1:56pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    cwg-fan: because that's the mindset of British these days!

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  • 192. At 2:04pm on 06 Oct 2010, killer_and _flash wrote:

    1) The Reporting that the lead up to the games was a shambles isn't 'western imperialistic bias' but fair comment. And watching the excellent opening ceremony, it wasn't westerners booing the head organiser Suresh Kalmadi, so clearly many Indians agree.
    2) An article by a single BBC journalist doesn't constitute official BBC or government opinion, but one person's opinion.
    3) As nobody particularly cares about the results on the track, inevitably the off the track events get higher prominence.
    4) Who scheduled the Test series vs Australia to clash with the Games?
    5) The British media are just as hard on domestic organnisers, if they don't perform. If London 2012 has late, dirty facilities, believe me the organisers would face hell from the British press. Our Football assocation has been continuously slated over the Wembley fiasco, and the poor performance of the team.

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  • 193. At 2:05pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    188. At 1:47pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:
    Ian cheese this is specially for you...

    MLF on the village and the track:
    "I think there has been a lot of fuss. I am very comfortable in the village and on the warm-up track. India is putting on a great show, man. I am enjoying my moment here."

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    Man, no one is making a fuss. Hope you are enjoying yourself up the beanstalk!

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  • 194. At 2:11pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    Ian Cheese, Don't loose your calmness. I just uploaded what your own countrymen had just said about these games!!!!!!

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  • 195. At 2:14pm on 06 Oct 2010, betty_16 wrote:

    Ian cheese

    Honestly I think your the one up in the beanstalk! way way up!

    You talk about the British being a good influence on its colonies, seriously get real man, come out of your bubble,

    this is just one example of many which shows exactly what they did:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

    Please do enlighten us on you would justify this..

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  • 196. At 2:18pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    175. At 11:00am on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:
    re-Indian opprtession of miniorities
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    Just a link to many others:

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-gb%3AIE-Address&q=india+oppression+dalits+atrocities&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

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  • 197. At 2:19pm on 06 Oct 2010, LordProsperity wrote:

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  • 198. At 2:33pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    194. At 2:11pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:
    Ian Cheese, Don't loose your calmness. I just uploaded what your own countrymen had just said about these games!!!!!!

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    Dear Jack,

    Please point to where I have ever lost my cool or exploded/imploded i.e. calmness, according to you. I have always tried to steer the debate back to the Games, where possible. But I cannot allow the weird & rabid speculations & attacks of our Indian brothers go unchallenged.

    No hard feelings.

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  • 199. At 2:43pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    Ian they are all outdated!
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    Man, no one is making a fuss. Hope you are enjoying yourself up the beanstalk!

    I thought you lost your cool there...I love challenges.

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  • 200. At 2:48pm on 06 Oct 2010, bigotboy wrote:

    197 Vettal etal
    2012 is an Olympic games
    I'd say GB Australia Canada Kenya Jamaica NZl will certainly finish ahead of India and then Bahamas TnT South Africa Nigeria and perhaps others may (eg Malaysia Uganda )
    Only bigots judge people by their names

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  • 201. At 2:53pm on 06 Oct 2010, LordProsperity wrote:

    Bigotboy

    Agreed -- missed the point that you were saying Olympics (my apologies). That happens because the disciplines that Indians are good among Commonwealth, are dominated by non-Commonwealth in Olympics. Australia and England are traditionally strong is certain disciplines and they maintaing that in Olympics too, where as India does not.
    By the way, people do go by names ... names do show the person's psyche otherwise why would that person choose that name? My name obviously suggests something.

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  • 202. At 3:04pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    199. At 2:43pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:
    Ian they are all outdated!
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    Outdated? You can ask the miniorities & tell that to the Marines!
    Me losing my cool? If that were the case you have lost your marbles!

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  • 203. At 3:16pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    Ian cheese, once again you sound like you have lost your cool. I am a minority and I don't think whatever you have said is true lol!

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  • 204. At 3:29pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    203. At 3:16pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:
    Ian cheese, once again you sound like you have lost your cool. I am a minority and I don't think whatever you have said is true lol!

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    Aye, Jack, sorry, not having a name like yours, I cannot be up a beanstalk. You are worried about being cool, sorry, India is not the place to be! 40 degrees in Delhi!
    Incidentally, do you know who your father or mother is? I hear there are a lot of orphans in India.

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  • 205. At 3:49pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    Ian, I dont know whether to have pity on your ignorance or laugh at you. I never though you would degrade yourself to this low level!! India is not like your country where there your kids down even know who their parents are!

    we'll wait and see how so called developed nation like yours conduce olympics 2012. Hope its not the repeat of manchester 2002 lol

    by the way, I have lived in UK for many years to know exactly how your system works lol

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  • 206. At 3:54pm on 06 Oct 2010, Purple Sheffield wrote:

    @wiseman
    I'm really sorry you feel that way. As an Englishman, can I reassure you that people in the UK don't view Indians "with suspicion and envy" and as James Pearce says in his piece "Indian people are special, friendly, helpful, charming and enthusiastic" I know I've always found that to be the case. I've travelled to many parts of the world but, India is the most wonderful and unforgettable place I've ever visited.

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  • 207. At 4:03pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    205. At 3:49pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:
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    Dear Jack,

    Sorry, no hard feelings. You said you liked challenges in insult, I didn't mean what I said, only Sporting, you know, it exists at many levels!

    Look, I hate all forms of Sports when it overrides everything else, cost & all. it is no longer for the Commom good!
    I have also said that I wish everything will be wrong with the Olympics come 2012, it can only add to the fun & make people think!

    best

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  • 208. At 4:12pm on 06 Oct 2010, BlueRoo wrote:

    I've just read through very many of these posts as an impartial observer who was interested in the debate.

    I really am astounded by the number of almost hateful posts by indian people almost regarding the new world order that exists in their own minds, and that the rest of us will be servants to them in this.

    This just smacks of shameful nationalism, and nationalism leads to bigotry and then to fascism racism.

    I hope the there are cooler and wiser heads in India to stop this arrogance, bigotry, nationalism, fascism and rasism consuming the country. The picture your country paints is very ugly one indeed.

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  • 209. At 4:18pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    187. At 1:46pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:
    well Ian cheese, what can I say about your lack of understanding about nuclear weapons. the nuclear weapons are made by Scientists and not politicians, whereas games are organised by politicians. I hope you understand the difference.

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    Dear Jack,

    The Nuclear weapons are ultimately controlled by the politicians! And there we have the rub!

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  • 210. At 4:19pm on 06 Oct 2010, LordProsperity wrote:

    #208: "I've just read through very many of these posts as an impartial observer who was interested in the debate."

    Nice to know that. But then you go on slating Indians -- agreed some went overboard. But what stops you from saying the same about the other side? You gave a new meaning to impartiality.

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  • 211. At 4:23pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    Ian, Sports is to unify people, not to make people hate each other. If you had watched the opening ceremony of the games, you would have noticed that the loudest cheers went to Pakistan during the parade. That says about sports and my country too. No country is perfect, which west finds it hard to understand. One thing that people, who made comments, are trying to say is why so much negative aspects of India published in BBC. That's all.

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  • 212. At 4:29pm on 06 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    Forestcobra “the imperial observer”. What are your impressions on Imperialism? You say “This just smacks of shameful nationalism, and nationalism leads to bigotry and then to fascism racism”- this sounds like a perfect description of a Britisher. You may be proud of your Imperialist past but as Indians we know how it is like to get robbed and to become a poor country when for almost 1800 years India was the most thriving economy in the whole world.

    Britain has still not changed, how do you describe attacking Iraq? For Oil isn’t it? Same old Imperial ambitions. You entered India as traders and entered Iraq as “restorer” of democracy. There is no other country in the world guilty of Bigotry as “great” Britain.

    We don’t look down on anybody and never will. Your comments are coming from a deep inferiority complex as the “change is in the air”.

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  • 213. At 4:42pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

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  • 214. At 4:45pm on 06 Oct 2010, LordProsperity wrote:

    Some people seem to have too much time on hands....little do they see/realize what they are trying to achieve by posting silly comments and that too borrowed from some other articles as a justification for their own silliness. Well...

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  • 215. At 4:54pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    211. At 4:23pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:
    Ian, Sports is to unify people, not to make people hate each other...
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    Dear Jack,
    I cannot agree more but somehow it appears that Sports have spiralled out of control: how can any Nation try to justify the billions, in whatever currency, spent on it. Is it not time that we simply have a modest take on Sports? i.e. make do with with what we have the best we can & not try to outdo one another in spectacles & new stadia, etc.

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  • 216. At 5:00pm on 06 Oct 2010, charmingmuppet wrote:

    Ian get a life..

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  • 218. At 5:14pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    216. At 5:00pm on 06 Oct 2010, charmingmuppet wrote:
    Ian get a life..

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    Life? I am having a great life here. You are neither charming nor a muppet. Puppet, more like. Lol!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • 219. At 5:20pm on 06 Oct 2010, raghuram wrote:

    I guess India should have chosen Hydrabad, Chennai or Bangalore instead of Delhi. There are a lot more sports enthusiasts down south. The organizing committee should have involved the people of other states and made sure that the tickets and budget hotels are available to people outside Delhi. They could have taken this opportunity to encourage domestic tourists to visit Delhi instead of fully depending on international tourists.

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  • 220. At 5:32pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    Medals table! Come on India! Beat the Aussies! Looks like we Brits are second to you but, I wouldn't bet on that!

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  • 221. At 5:32pm on 06 Oct 2010, kwuk wrote:

    It is clear that the games were only brought to India as an exercise in national vanity. Despite the setbacks, India has now proven that they are able to host a major international event of this type, but why would they choose to?

    The large number of empty seats now that the games have gotten underway show a general lack of interest among the population for the variety of sports that comprise the games. Even if many of these sports are largely unfamiliar to Indian audiences, surely the opportunity to be a part of the Commonweath Games experience would be enough to bring people to the stadia? If not, the games should have been awarded to a city where the population could really benefit from the experience, and the competitors benefit from their support.

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  • 222. At 5:42pm on 06 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    Thanks Ian Cheese for supporting India. Its good for sport. India is making the best of home advantage. Not sure if they will repeat the same in 2012 but will certainly try.

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  • 223. At 5:45pm on 06 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    I agree Raghuram, Cities like Delhi, Mumbai are too crowded. May be they should have chosen Chandigarh. Its a very well planned city and for the amount of money spent in Delhi they could have done a great job in Chandigarh. But, Delhi has history. Lets go for Chandigarh Olympics in 2020 and keep Kalmadi out.

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  • 224. At 5:46pm on 06 Oct 2010, raghuram wrote:

    There was this article in BBC about English swimmer Rebecca Adlington having complained of "Delhi belly." How come you guys have not made a hue and cry about the contagious vomiting bug that struck British athletes at their training camp in Doha. Sometimes I really wonder if India really had to take the pain of hosting the CWG. Was it really worth????


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  • 225. At 5:48pm on 06 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    Rebecca Adlington is quite fussy, no complaints from the swimmer who beat her to win the gold.

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  • 226. At 5:53pm on 06 Oct 2010, emptyend wrote:

    Very disappointing to see some of the attendances. But that isn't the only disgrace.

    Having eventually found some badminton on the BBC today for the first time more than a whole year (and then only on the red button), I've just heard the commentators apologise for the fact that tomorrow's badminton quarterfinal between England and Scotland won't be covered AT ALL on TV....even on the red button!

    It just isn't good enough when a major sport spends the entire year with no coverage on the BBC and then they can't deliver ANY sort of coverage for a home nation quarterfinal in the Commonwealth Games!!

    It really is pathetic of the BBC to fail to deliver coverage of such important events, despite having hundreds/thousands(?) of BBC staff on the ground in Delhi.....so my strong advice to Matthew and the BBC would be to put THEIR OWN house in order before they start criticising the Indian organisers of the Games!

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  • 227. At 6:00pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    222. At 5:42pm on 06 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:
    Thanks Ian Cheese for supporting India. Its good for sport. India is making the best of home advantage. Not sure if they will repeat the same in 2012 but will certainly try.

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    Derar Wisekid,

    I am not sure that there is a thing like 'Home Advantage'. I think being host places a certain psychological disadvantage because you cannot afford to be seen to be to be underperforming in front of your home crowd! I have had this argument with various psychologists in the past but have never come to any satisfactory agreement. Perhaps you might enlighten?

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  • 228. At 6:07pm on 06 Oct 2010, jamil_mlh wrote:

    168. At 08:42am on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:
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    Well, well, well ... Ian, for once I would very much like U to be us when British Empire was in control at that time, then u would not say what u said. It's laughable that u would think the British are doing good for our colonized nations ... LOL ... it is very embarassing seeing the British ran away when the Japs march down towards Malaya (it's supposed protectorate) ... and my god, all those single BIG countries like India, Iraq, etc. having their borders cut to create multiple countries .... but,yes we should really "thank" the British for this :-)
    Having said this, I have to agree your comments on the sporting front.

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  • 229. At 6:34pm on 06 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    228. At 6:07pm on 06 Oct 2010, jamil_mlh wrote:
    ... Ian, for once I would very much like U to be us when British Empire was in control at that time, then u would not say what u said.
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    Dear Jamil,

    I stand alone: neither pro-British nor anti-Indian, only for truth & fairness.

    The British, I admit, have a lot to answer for vis-a-vis lording it over everyone & the break-up of their Empire & the mess they created i.e. as you mentioned, arbitrary creation of borders leading to partition massacres, etc.

    My misgiving is this: a vast number of Indians today are so full of hatred against the British. I believe that the British are not only trying to make amends for their past but are doing so!

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  • 230. At 11:37pm on 06 Oct 2010, Jack123 wrote:

    England stop moannnnnnnnniiiiiiiing....we are bored of your moaning. We should rename England as LAND OF MOANERS! lol
    Listen to this you English spoilt brats:
    "Just been to athletes village to interview Tonga's first ever CWG swimmer. No pools in country. Coral tidal pool offshore, regular drownings. Arrived in Delhi having slept 24 hours on floor of Newark Airport. Straight into comp without bags arriving, borrowed swim-hat from Jamaican."

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  • 231. At 05:47am on 07 Oct 2010, AWK_00 wrote:

    It is really getting tiresome, and the genuine grievances of the English, Aussie, and NZ visitors at first are fast becoming an unwelcome annoyance - its too hot, its too humid, there's too much traffic, there are too many people (ref: Hooper) -- whats next? These are supposed to be fit sportsmen/sportswomen - deal with it and do what you are trained to do! Why are we surprised that no body is showing up at the venues - think I am going to stop following the CWG even on the web very soon. If people show up and enjoy, I guess the next gripe would be how Indians do not know the correct Lawn ball!"etiquette".

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  • 232. At 05:52am on 07 Oct 2010, RazzberryBeret wrote:

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  • 233. At 06:00am on 07 Oct 2010, RazzberryBeret wrote:

    I brought up the issue of promotional media blitz because I work in Mumbai's film and advertising industry. A terrific, far reaching campaign could have been created for about 8-10 crores, that is, 80-100 million Rupees - a drop in the ocean for the budget they had to set up this event.

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  • 235. At 10:03am on 07 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    As a gesture, the government should make these games free, first come first serve. It appears that it is not going to be a money making event now so why waste the empty seats?

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  • 236. At 11:48am on 07 Oct 2010, bbcdrubber wrote:

    Well I dont understand why these comparisons with olympics. Olympics is a different ball game altogether. To put it in perspective cwg is comprised mainly for small islands and there are only few genuine competitors for any medal. If India hosted Olympics with teams from all significant countries it will be a sell out.. BBC please get better authors. I could do a better job.

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  • 237. At 12:03pm on 07 Oct 2010, mike fuller wrote:

    The lack of crowds or spectators is not the BBCs or our problem. The BBC is always looking for the negative side of any issue. If the indians do not want to go to the shooting or netball so what. Will Mathew Pinsent complain to the organisers if the 2010 London olympics are not full.

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  • 238. At 1:12pm on 07 Oct 2010, Castanha wrote:

    India has had pretty bad press about the Commonwealth Games but one needs to understand the complexities of the place.

    Indians are good business people so it is inconceivable that they were so ill prepared for the Commonwealth Games. Much of India runs on corruption. MPs expenses in the UK pail into insignificance compared to what happens in India. For example there are restaurants in Goa run by Russians, I'm told that have signs outside clearly stating " no Goans or Indians allowed". Now during the cold war I know India acted neutral and held the USSR in the same light as the West, but India fought for its independence from Britain so how can they accept such nonsense in their own country now?

    Nothing in India is done without palming of hands and while winning the right to hold the Commonwealth Games, this was merely a badge of honour for the nation. I do not think it entered into the consiousness of the country that they were holding such a prestigious event.

    The other point is Indians love for cricket is mainly as it sees its players in the same way as it does its film stars. Apart from cricket which is universally there recognised as a national game, the ordinary Indian has no time for sport. Why watch foreigners cycle round a track when we could be working for a living. Professional sport has not totally entered the consciousness of the nation apart from a few middle class folk. Tennis and golf for instance are middle class sports. Hockey once the national sport is more recreational rather than competitive. It is also riddled with corruption.

    Finally Indians have always been laughed at, so its water of a ducks back to take criticism. Most Indians are only interested in education and status. Sport is still recreational.

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  • 239. At 2:32pm on 07 Oct 2010, rick wrote:

    They're building Land Rovers now. Scary.

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  • 240. At 2:36pm on 07 Oct 2010, rick wrote:

    My son is out in India as part of his degree course supporting the media. He's trying to find out what's happened to the city's 100,000 plus beggars. Anyone who's ever been to Delhi will know how many poor souls there are on the streets, but just before the Games started, they literally disappeared overnight. Local bar owners casually said the army took them away? Someone in authority (LOL) really should be made to answer this!

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  • 241. At 4:13pm on 07 Oct 2010, samind wrote:

    Dear Cheese & James,

    Your explanations and reasoning are flawed and half clever attempts to misguide and mis represent.

    The British media has gone to town with the so called mystery illness and showing pictures of debris in the pool that was actually shot on Tuesday and showing it as its today. Shame on you.

    Its funny that its mostly the Brits filling our gutters with their crap.
    But they forget they just have weak stomachs.

    The British empire has a LOT to answer for and if I was Dr Singh I would ask England and NewZealand to go back and abandon the games. Thank You. The Aussies can stay..they are much more aggresive but not as manipulative as the you guys.Do take the Welsh and Scots also..lest they get a bug too.

    James, filling empty seats is not the problem but the coordinated media campaign run by a few countries to discredit India and the games; owing to their current economic problems. You cannot stomach another person on the dining table.Its not just the medals table thats under fire and you know that...Both of you..dont give us your so called neutral reporting stance.No one's buying it.

    So keep reporting whatever you want.2012 & 2014 is in your backyard.

    India does not forgive or forget easily.If not, ever.
    2012..London..Indians should boycott these games and as an aside also demand a full account for atrocities during the British Empire aka Nuremberg.

    As for the poverty, Im the first one to agree that its an enormous issue.But to link it to spend on CWG is pathetic. Are we to assume that in 30s and 40s and 50s when the games were held there werent issues or that China does not have poverty or the even the developed nations themselves.Didnt you have poor people a few decades ago..despite your empire.Who is responsible for the looting of the annexed territories? You got your prosperity by making others poor.Even today there are no free lunches being handed down by the IMF, WB etc...you wouldnt want to discuss how your people control the financial system..would you..it could expose your loose morals.Wouldnt it?

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  • 242. At 4:50pm on 07 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    241. At 4:13pm on 07 Oct 2010, samind wrote:
    re-alleged misrepresentation of India
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    Dear Samind,

    You appear to have a chip on your shoulder & oversensitive when certain infelicities are being pointed out. Other countries will freely admit to problems, that is the only way forward. If, however, you deny that there are problems when they are staring you in the face then the problems can only exacerbate. I will spare you going through the checklist again.

    The BBC is not out there looking for bad news. I cannot see any negative news. I just heard from another source today that some swimmers have come down with some bug.

    I don't find it funny your saying that the Brits have weak stomachs, which is why they fill your gutters with their crap. I can reply in a thousand ways to this but I have the good manners to refrain from insulting you.

    Your government will be the first to feel aggrieved if any Nation pulled out of the CWG, let alone asking them to leave.

    You are paranoid if you think that there is a hidden agenda to discredit the games. All the Nations taking part, the athletes & the Media have a vested interest in seeing the Games succeed.

    As for poverty, you know that more, very much more can be done.
    If not for the British Empire we will not now be communicating & the games taking place. And as for the financial system, it is not perfect & you are welcome to control it if you can.



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  • 243. At 5:30pm on 07 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    Rick on beggers in India.

    Hi Rick, your Son has gone a long way to count beggers in Delhi. I don’t know what sort of a career he is hoping to have in the future. The Indian army took them or they have joined a call centre I can’t say. But, why go to Delhi to count beggers , why not count them in the UK. The only difference between beggers in India and beggers in UK is that in the UK the government collects and pays on behalf of beggers but in India it’s the beggers directly in contact with the payer. Delhi or Indian govt is not competent enough to collect and pay beggers, may be that’s the difference between a Third world and First world country.

    If the British govt stops paying all the benefits you will see the streets of Britain full of beggers/thieves/ criminals. The cuts to benefits have already started. Paid too much without earning enough.


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  • 244. At 6:10pm on 07 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    100,000 missing beggars, pressganged by the army. They need to be 'housed' & fed: perhaps this is the beginning of the Welfare State for India.

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  • 247. At 7:03pm on 07 Oct 2010, bestie07 wrote:

    #244, I don't think my government would have enough money for that.

    And how did the number 100,000 come about? I'm intrigued.

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  • 248. At 7:09pm on 07 Oct 2010, DrownedWorld wrote:

    Dear Moderators,
    You have allowed the comment section of this blog to degenerate into mudslinging match between Britain and India. Whatever happened to the spirit of keeping the debate clean?

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  • 249. At 7:19pm on 07 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    247. At 7:03pm on 07 Oct 2010, bestie07 wrote:
    #244, I don't think my government would have enough money for that.

    And how did the number 100,000 come about? I'm intrigued.

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    240. At 2:36pm on 07 Oct 2010, rick wrote:
    My son is out in India as part of his degree course supporting the media. He's trying to find out what's happened to the city's 100,000 plus beggars...

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  • 250. At 7:28pm on 07 Oct 2010, bestie07 wrote:

    Oh that. See the comments that profile has made so far. I don't know if I would be taking the facts stated by him as a given.

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  • 251. At 7:48pm on 07 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    250. At 7:28pm on 07 Oct 2010, bestie07 wrote:
    Oh that. See the comments that profile has made so far. I don't know if I would be taking the facts stated by him as a given.

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    OK, I don't wish to sound like a journalist, creating a sensational story based on dodgy figures. The point I really wished to make is, yes, what happened to the beggars? There must be a fair number of them & if the State has taken responsibility for them then they need to be housed & fed & , perhaps, we can see the beginning of a Welfare State in India.

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  • 252. At 8:02pm on 07 Oct 2010, bestie07 wrote:

    The beggars, who aren't that many as is often popularly believed in the west primarily because the beggars normally haunt the places where the foreign tourists normally visit, are not going to be allowed anywhere near the stadiums or the venues.

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  • 255. At 9:13pm on 07 Oct 2010, CricketFan wrote:

    240. At 2:36pm on 07 Oct 2010, rick wrote:

    My son is out in India as part of his degree course ......to find out what's happened to the city's 100,000 plus beggars.......

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    Rick, why fly all the way to Delhi looking for 100,000 plus beggars.

    Just take a bus to Harlow instead? !!!

    Forget a degree, there are enough rough council tower blocks around here to finish a doctorate.

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  • 256. At 9:28pm on 07 Oct 2010, sammy wrote:

    Indians who visit Britain often ridicule the dirty houses in England. They say the houses look like kinda pigeon holes, old and dirty.

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  • 257. At 9:33pm on 07 Oct 2010, sammy wrote:

    Ian chese who will feed you , as IMF has predicted UK economy may collapse. So much of welfare state , right? Spending on borrowed money is not sign of prosperity or wealth. Come out of da illusion. You cant, because the media is partly responsible for not telling people the truth. Get it right, India and China are growth engine of the world.

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  • 258. At 10:26pm on 07 Oct 2010, bestie07 wrote:

    Sammy you are not doing yourself any favors by the comments you are making.

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  • 259. At 08:06am on 08 Oct 2010, Alonsotheloser wrote:

    Sammy indians who visit Britain dont want to leave and often live in very cramped conditions 4-5 people per room.

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  • 260. At 08:15am on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    256. At 9:28pm on 07 Oct 2010, sammy wrote:
    re-attack on the ills of Britain
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    Briefly,
    1. The equivalent of what you refer to as dirty houses in England would be hovels & slum shacks in India, if that;
    2. Tower blocks in the UK. I agree it is not the most salubrious way to live but at least you have the rudiments of a basic, civilised start in life: clean water & electricity, not something that is universal in India, by & large;
    3. Money is only a means to an end. We borrow & spend but we also work & are in a better position to make a turnaround when things prove tough. You do not have such flexibility in India; &
    4. It is true we have unemployed, which country does not? We are presently trying to do something about those who choose not to work & depend on benefits as a lifestyle.

    I would not normally reply to postings like yours because you make rabid attacks, inconsiderate & baseless claims which do not bear examination. But this is a little towards setting the record straight.

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  • 261. At 09:21am on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    Back to sports. This blog was all about Indian supporters not buying tickets and empty seats. England Archery team who have lost a very close match to India have blamed , “guess who”??? , the Indian crowd for their defeat. English athletes are now complaining that Indian supporters were clapping and cheering and that’s why they lost. Come on what’s wrong with you people???? If we have no crowd you complain, when we get supporters in you complain. Now you not only want the crowd but want them quiet. Disgusting.

    I’m glad Rebecca Adlington has won a gold or she would have moaned all the way from India to England about Delhi Belly. The food court in the village is offering cuisine from all parts of the world. Why are these athletes eating Indian food when they know there is a risk of getting a bad tummy? Why not just stick to their own cuisine ? Looks like suddenly the infected and dirty water in the swimming pool has become “holy water” now that England has struck Gold. Also, thousands of condoms have been found flushed through the toilets in the village. Looks like some athletes are participating in others sports, no wonder they are tired in the morning but lets blame Delhi Belly.

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  • 262. At 10:27am on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    261. At 09:21am on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:
    amusing post
    ---------------Thanks v. much for that.

    I can't believe that the English Archery team lost because of Indian cheering, perhaps jeering, more like, to unsettle England when it was their turn?
    This needs to be established;

    There are bugs in India that the Indian constitution is used to; even so, the life expectancy in India is not great & there are more diseases & illnesses in India than the West;

    Well, if Ms. Aldington can win gold in her Sports despite all the problems & she is not native to India, then a greater achievement, wouldn't you agree? Why didn't an Indian win it?

    Indian cuisine is great but don't forget the British invented Curry &, so long as it is hygienically prepared, no problems.

    Great that the athletes are indulging in some hanky panky, hence the great number of condoms. Please make sure these are disposed of & not sold on!
    Why go looking for them in the first place?

    best


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  • 263. At 11:01am on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    262. At 10:27am on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote

    Ya right!!! If the English team had won then there would have been no complaints . Now I know why the british army is getting hammered in Iraq and Afganistan because they cant hit the target, too much noise from opposition gun fire. That’s why performed so poorly in South Africa world cup, again too much noise. Other teams have not complained about noise yet but English are the first. Well done!!

    Agree with less diseases in England and higher life expectancy. That’s why a crap NHS which is surviving because of guess who??? Asian doctors. Long queue for basic surgical procedures in England and guess where are these fed up people going to get operated –India. See, because of so many illnesses in India we have more doctors and medical facilities which is benefitting the British people.

    Missed the whole point on my comment on Ms Adlington but you had to say something . Indians are crap swimmers and crap at many other sports but don’t moan about noise or conditions. Just like they wont moan about freezing cold and rain when they”ll come to Scotland or London. If you are crap admit your are crap. If you loose admit your defeat to a better opposition.

    British invented curry??? Are you joking? Invented in Britain but not by a Britisher. Top selling british cuisine in Britain- Fish and Chips. Well need some skill to make that.

    Just to enlighten you. The used condoms have been sold. They have been used for making chewing gum for the british market. Some sold to garment manufacturers and will be used in making undergarments – again for the british market. Indians never waste anything

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  • 264. At 11:35am on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:


    261. At 09:21am on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:
    re-Curry
    ----------------OK, one thing at a time for you boy

    Curry is not, strictly speaking, Indian at all. It is a British invention. From the Portuguese, the early British traders learned to apply the word "caril," or "carree," incorrectly, to sauces made from butter, crushed nuts, spices and fruits that were then poured over rice. (In various South Indian languages, "karil" or "kari" referred to spices for seasoning or to dishes of sautéed vegetables or meat.) Eventually, the word evolved into a catchall. "Curry became not just a term that the British used to describe an unfamiliar set of Indian stews and ragouts," Ms. Collingham writes, "but a dish in its own right, created for the British in India."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/01/books/01grim.html

    Quite frankly, there are better doctors than Indian doctors.

    OK, the British are crap at many things too eg. walking barefoot on burning coals, one of the Indian specialities, football, etc.
    There are Sports where one requires concentration eg. tennis & archery, where deliberate noise at the crucial moment is disallowed in a civilised venue.

    Used Condoms: we provide it free so I cannot see the logic of us buying recycled ones back from India, even reprocessed as chewing gum, garments etc., it will not pass our strict Controls; it will be returned free to India where there will be no shortage of takers!

    best

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  • 265. At 11:37am on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    261. At 09:21am on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:
    re-Curry
    ----------------OK, one thing at a time for you boy

    Curry is not, strictly speaking, Indian at all. It is a British invention. From the Portuguese, the early British traders learned to apply the word "caril," or "carree," incorrectly, to sauces made from butter, crushed nuts, spices and fruits that were then poured over rice. (In various South Indian languages, "karil" or "kari" referred to spices for seasoning or to dishes of sautéed vegetables or meat.) Eventually, the word evolved into a catchall. "Curry became not just a term that the British used to describe an unfamiliar set of Indian stews and ragouts," Ms. Collingham writes, "but a dish in its own right, created for the British in India."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/01/books/01grim.html

    Quite frankly, there are better doctors than Indian doctors.

    OK, the British are crap at many things too eg. walking barefoot on burning coals, one of the Indian specialities, football, etc.
    There are Sports where one requires concentration eg. tennis & archery, where deliberate noise at the crucial moment is disallowed in a civilised venue.

    Used Condoms: we provide it free so I cannot see the logic of us buying recycled ones back from India, even reprocessed as chewing gum, garments etc., it will not pass our strict Controls; it will be returned free to India where there will be no shortage of takers!

    best



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  • 266. At 11:45am on 08 Oct 2010, CricketFan wrote:

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  • 267. At 12:07pm on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    At 11:37am on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote

    STRICT CONTROLS!????!! Now you just being funny boy!!. Your strict controls passed a dead MOUSE stuck in a loaf of bread bought from Tesco supermarket. Dont you read the papers??

    Unless, it was a new British invention!! a Malted Mouse Loaf (LOL)

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  • 269. At 1:54pm on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    Nothing wrong with water in the pools at Delhi CWG. Then what has struck English athletes and what many call is Delhi Belly?

    Read this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1316506/Commonwealth-Games-2010-UK-athletes-struck-vomiting-bug-Doha.html

    These athletes brought this illness from Doha as it is contagious. Then why the aussies got it? Well you can protect only a few things by a condom. lol.

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  • 270. At 1:59pm on 08 Oct 2010, LordProsperity wrote:

    "The race started controversially when English sprinter Laura Turner was shown a red card for false starting despite claiming that noise from the stadium was putting her off."

    Classic. Now we have too much crowd problem. You cannot have everything in life and for God's sake it is athletics. Whining and whining and more whining.

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  • 271. At 4:00pm on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    267. At 12:07pm on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:
    -re-sick mentality
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    So what you are in effect saying is that you Indians will collect used condoms from the sewer, turn them into chewing gum &/or garments & export them to Britain. Well, that just says more about you Indians than us or the rest of the world. You must be sick to think of something like that. I am sure many Indians will give you a beating if they can! Shame on you!

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  • 272. At 4:30pm on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    At 4:00pm on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    Ian Cheese is fuming: No comments on my last two posts on (1) mouse in bread (2)Clean pools. Mr Cheese just jumped back to my previous comment on Condoms to which he had already replied and he picks on that again!!! What a looser!!! Poor guy lost for words when confronted with some hard facts. What happened boy!!!???

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  • 273. At 4:52pm on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    272. At 4:30pm on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:
    iancheese fuming
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    Let me remind you that this is not about you or Ian Cheese.
    I suggest you eat the mouse in the bread & I don't think the authorities who said that the pools are clean are correct. They may be clean after treating it : the treatment may be worse than the disease, if you get what I mean.

    A huge screen fell down today at a stadium. It would have injured many spectators if there had been spectators in that section of the stadium.

    You are not a credit to India.

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  • 274. At 4:53pm on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    Here we go. The "civlised" English official abuses Indian coach.

    http://in.news.yahoo.com/20/20101008/1416/tnl-english-official-abuses-indian-arche.html

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  • 275. At 5:03pm on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    Calm down Ian, dont behave like the abusive Engliash coach lets face it . Briatin is not as hygienic as you claim. How can a mouse end up in a loaf of bread. why should I eat it? I am more civised than that, dont eat mouse sandwiches. May be brits like you do.

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  • 276. At 5:20pm on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    275. At 5:03pm on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:
    hygiene
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    You boast about sending recycled condoms in chewing gums to Britain.
    Mice found in a loaf of bread in Tesco, please substantiate your claim.
    You strike me as being more & more of a criminal case.

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  • 277. At 5:49pm on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    Hi Ian,

    You started with Indians selling condoms found in the athlete village. Go back and check. I just made a joke of making chewing gum out of it and bla bla!!
    BUT THIS IS NOT A JOKE. You want me to substantiate on mouse claim??? here we go. it happened twice. Enjoy the picture yuk!!!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8092921.stm

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3155306/Mouse-found-in-loaf-of-bread.html



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  • 278. At 5:54pm on 08 Oct 2010, Varun wrote:

    Hmmmm....cant stop laughing reading replies & counter replies b/w Wisekid74 and Ian cheese...

    I'd like to jump straight into the mud fight going on here for the kind of patriotic person I am...i.e. a Proud Indian, although I am also a critic as well at the same time but I'd like to choose a different time for being one!

    Ian cheese, what I dont understand is that why britons like you are always trying to downplay a country as great as India? I'm sure you would admit to our greatness, our vastness, our diversity but at the same time fail to comprehend our problems or while showing that you guys do why try to be demeaning and be smug about at the same time?

    I have travelled extensively in England and Scotland , although I found Scotland much better but that's not the point here, I've always felt a touch of my forefathers blood eveywhere in whatever I saw. The fact in history is that your forefathers looted almost the entire world and instead of being ashamed, the present generation like yours, want to revel in their deeds and shamelessly go gaga over your superiority at the same time. The fact in history is that your forefathers built your nation with all their loot from all around the world and since it was our wealth and our sentiments attached with it, I have no doubt that what you built out of it is almost nest to PERFECT!

    History tells what India was when your forefathers came over in the garb of spice trading. It was the worlds largest economy. It was the golden bird!! I can go on and on...but I guess you need to take some history lessons because that'll teach you some humility! India is a host and I being an Indian would still welcome you to my country with open arms. If bridges fall , I'll repair them. If mosquitoes bite you, I'll find a way out for you. If you're hasseled by touts, I'll save you....coz I am a humble Indian as my forefathers!

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  • 279. At 6:08pm on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    277. At 5:49pm on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:
    acrimonius exchanges
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    Dear wisekid,

    For the record, & you can go back & check the posts:
    It was you who first brought up the matter of used condoms & I just said why on earth you Indians should be trawling for used condoms, in the sewer, presumably, etc., I mentioned that the used condoms should be disposed of & you suggested that they will be reprocessed in chewing gums for Britain, etc. ;

    You mentioned Tescos selling mice in a loaf of bread. You then sent me the links which actually turned out to be Premier Foods. I would not like to be sued by Tesco, would you? unless you had nothing to lose.

    I hope you will refrain from making unsubstantiated claims.

    best.

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  • 280. At 6:20pm on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    278. At 5:54pm on 08 Oct 2010, Varun wrote:
    misunderstandinds
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    Dear Varun,

    At no point have I been disrespectful to India. There are many things I like about India, for example, your charming women whom I have a great time with. There are things you like & dislike about Britain too & in no way will I criticise you for that provided you make a reasonable case.
    I always come across people saying that Britain looted her Colonies. It was a two-way affair at the end of the day: what Britain took she also gave back by way of infrastructure & education; we would not be having this exchange but for the British Empire, ironic as it seems. Besides, if Britain had looted everything you will not have anything to build on; on the contrary, you built on & from the foundations of the British Empire. Which is why you are successful today.

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  • 281. At 6:37pm on 08 Oct 2010, bestie07 wrote:

    Ian, I think it is safe to say that the negatives outweighed the positives as far as the British rule on the subcontinent is concerned. there wouldn't have been a 100 year struggle for independence otherwise. Yes colonization was a two way affair, there were positives, but there were far too many negatives.

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  • 282. At 6:51pm on 08 Oct 2010, Varun wrote:

    Dear Ian,

    You could have given a better example than..'your charming women whom I have a great time with'...hahaha....well, I wont deny about my flings either during my London days!

    Anyways, my views were more directed towards an average English mentality which is mirrored by BBC quite often and not necessarily yours. I understand when there is mud slinging going on, who would want to keep quiet and be unpatriotic. Having said that, I have some of my best buddies who are British and I am sure they are also very liberal in their thinking as yours.

    I will not deny that India & Indians needs to improve on lot of fronts. Healthcare, general well being and good mannerisms (not necessarily English in nature and still preserving Indian attributes!), infrastructure, corruption etc etc.

    The moment I find someone spitting on the road these days, I make sure I wait for a moment and blare out my frustration in the loudest possible sense until the person feels ashamed of himself! I think the change will happen slowly as more and more people become educated, rich monetarily and feel a responsible citizen. The shift is already happening and I just hope it happens exponentially.

    Regards

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  • 283. At 6:56pm on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    281. At 6:37pm on 08 Oct 2010, bestie07 wrote:
    re-benefits or otherwise of the British Empire
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    Dear Bestie,

    The lasting benefits are in the mind, as you have exhibited. Otherwise we will not be having this exchange!

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  • 284. At 7:11pm on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    282. At 6:51pm on 08 Oct 2010, Varun wrote:
    re-coming to a common viewpoint
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    Dear Varun,

    Glad you had a good time with some native women in Britain during your time here-hope they were from the top drawer. There is nothing in the world that beats a good British Woman provided she is from the top drawer! And as you like Scotland, hope you had a good Highland fling, as they say!
    India & the Indians do not have to make a defence for things that have gone wrong, just a heartfelt apology as I am sure you always want to make but don't know how to sometimes when attacked from all corners. You will come back stronger from every setback.

    I agree that nasty habits & inconsiderate behaviour in public like spitting & cutting queues should be frowned upon: we are not free of it in the UK. The elderly are also afraid of the terrible louts in our Society & the police are powerless to act, etc.

    regards

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  • 285. At 7:29pm on 08 Oct 2010, Varun wrote:

    Ian, I think the Indian population is more critical of the wrong doings that happened with the CWG. People were furious when someone from the OC said that our standards of hygiene were different from the rest of the world. What he instead could have said that our tolerance to unhygienicity may vary from country to country.

    Whatever happened, despite all the good ups, the Indian people are hoping that these games finish off in style and the message the athletes take back home speaks good about India and they felt happy coming and playing here.

    I myself felt disappointed after news of empty stadiums did the rounds. I think the tickets are not easily available and people are not fully aware either. I hope the weekend would bring more people. Some of the events have already seen more and more people coming. Lot of people (self included) are taking offs from work to go and see people in action.

    Regarding the fligs, I dont think I must speak much about it here as those were my bachelor days!!!

    Regards

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  • 286. At 7:30pm on 08 Oct 2010, Varun wrote:

    Correction....Its goof ups and not Good ups!! and its fliNgs!!! I'm sleepy....off to bed!@!!! lota errors...

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  • 287. At 8:26pm on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:

    At 6:08pm on 08 Oct 2010, Ian cheese wrote:

    Mouse in Loaf.

    Sorry Ian Cheese. All this while I've been responding to you and wasting my time. Never thought I was dealing with a guy with an IQ in decimals. Premier foods makes bread with a brand called Hovis. This mouse (link 2) was found in a Hovis Loaf (Poor quality control) and then sold by Tesco (poor quality control). If Tesco wants to sue me then they can go ahead. This incident is not an isolated one (link 1). Have wasted enough time with you.

    No more comments for you. You are not worth it.

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  • 288. At 8:50pm on 08 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:

    287. At 8:26pm on 08 Oct 2010, wisekid74 wrote:
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    Sorry Wisekid, how unintelligent of you to be aware just now that you have been wasting your time by responding to me! Lol!

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