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Barnsley Central by-election: Your reaction

02:32 UK time, Friday, 4 March 2011

Labour's Dan Jarvis has won the Barnsley Central by-election. How important is this result?

UKIP, the Conservatives, the BNP and an independent all finished ahead of the Lib Dems, who had finished second in the seat in 2010's general election.

Lib Dem candidate Dominic Carman said his party had been given "a kicking", while Labour's victorious Dan Jarvis said it was a message to the coalition.

The contest followed the former Labour MP's resignation over his expenses.

What does this result mean for the governing coalition, and for Labour? Will the by-election send a "strong message" to the government? Do you live in the Barnsley Central constituency?

Thank you for your comments. This debate is now closed.

Comments

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  • Comment number 1.

    Fantastic!!!

    No surprise!

    Break up the coalition!

    Lets have another General Election!!!

  • Comment number 2.

    Tweedle-dee or Tweedle-dun, who cares?
    I really am not interested in some small cog in a criminal institution.
    uk politics is dead.
    Interesting fact - diesel £6.30 a gallon and rising. Discuss.

  • Comment number 3.

    Well, it is a bad reflection on the incompetence of the ConDem coalition, but means very little in government; it is the general election which counts really...

    ... and unfortunately that's still four years away.

    Bring it forward now, before they sell the shirts off our backs!!

  • Comment number 4.

    A Labour win was no surprise in this constituency, neither was the atrocious result for the Liberals or the low turnout. It's the low turnout that is truly frightening, people are beginning to realise that whoever or whichever party you vote for, once elected the MP does whatever is best for either the Party or the MP personally, the people who elected the MP are not even considered until their vote is required again. Politics was not always like this, we used to have at least some politicians with conviction who truly cared about the people that they were elected to represent. Today we can only find politicians who deserve to be convicted rather than having any real conviction about helping other people.

  • Comment number 5.

    Dominic Carman thinks Barnsley Central gave his party "a kicking" in the by-election. I think "murdered" may be the metaphor he was looking for, although I believe the general public would consider it is simply putting a rabid animal out of its misery.

  • Comment number 6.

    2. At 08:02am on 04 Mar 2011, chrislabiff wrote:
    Interesting fact - diesel £6.30 a gallon and rising. Discuss
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    Playing fast and loose with the word "interesting" there, Chris.

  • Comment number 7.

    Hardly surprising.

    Lib Dem voters have never had to deal with the realities of their party being in power until now, and the Lib Dems have come to power at a time when even Labour had said there would need to be cuts. The Lib Dems have always been able to make whimsical promises without having to try to put them into practice - until now.

    The country was in such a mess that whoever was in power, there would need to be cuts, so any other party not in power would do well.

    UKIP - hardly surprising in view of the EU's recent rulings in various matters, and the amount of money paid to Europe while everyone sees massive cuts in public spending.

  • Comment number 8.

    No surprise, Labour were expected to win and do well. As for the Lib-Dems, they don't derserve our votes with their namby pamby ideas and non helpful contributions to the present government. The fact that UKIP came second speaks volumes. The people of this country are fed up with being ruled from Europe, sick of political correctness, and not happy about are multi-culture society trashing our traditions, and turning areas of the country into ghetto's. The Concervatives won't last long because they are to weak on immigration, and to strong on cutbacks. If only Labour had stuck to Tony Blair, and not allowed the likes of the politically correct bunch that took over, they would still be in power today. Blame for our present difficulties is down to Brown and his idiot government for trying to change the face of our nation. I predict that if we change our voting system, political parties like UKIP will do very well indeed, because most people in this country, want our nation and our British way of life back, and don't want to be told what to do by a bunch of Eurocrats.

  • Comment number 9.

    Not a surprise.

    The sad fact about British politics is that people don't vote for things they vote against them.

    The liberals are an easy target. Those that voted against the Conservatives hate them because they joined the government. Those who voted against the Labour party hate them because now Labour are gone they need someone else to vote against.

    The liberals are between a rock and a hard place. They didn't win the election so are not in a position to even try to implement there manifesto in full. The economy would have been in a worse state if we were seen to have a week government. The Conservatives had the most seats and the Liberal party have long supported the idea of parties working together in coalition. They only had one real option - form a government with the Conservatives.

    There problem is that they don't want to put the blame where it belongs. With the electorate! We get the government we deserve. I do so wish that faced with the constant media onslaught of "you broke your pledges" they would simply point out that if people wanted those policies they should have voted the Liberals in to power. Not forced them to compromise.

  • Comment number 10.

    No surprise at the result. A donkey wearing a red rosette would have won in this constituency. The Lib-Dems are being punished by their foot soldiers for going into Government with the hated Tories when most of them, including their MPs, would have favoured a coalition with Labour.

  • Comment number 11.

    Delighted to see the LibDems humiliated.

    They stood on a left of labour manifesto, dumped a number of key policies, and are now supporting a right wing Tory government introducing many damaging policies.

    If our democracy means anything they need to be taught a severe lesson in the May elections.

    They did manage to beat Howling Laud Hope (Loony) though - so all is not lost...

  • Comment number 12.

    UKIP and Anthony Devoy must be as happy as Labour on this one having increased their individual vote by 74% and 107% respectively.

    On a 20% reduced turnout the Labour Vote held up best of the three main parties. Labours vote was down 16%,the Conservative vote was down 69% and the Lib Dem vote by 84% individually on the General election figures.

    Slick Dave and Quisling Nick need to go away and reflect on public opinion. Yes this was a safe Labour seat but it was a truly horrific night for two parties sharing power.

    Perhaps the news of Murdoch's takeover of even more media backfired. Bad timing again.

  • Comment number 13.

    Predictable and uninteresting.

  • Comment number 14.

    Labour won as expected. The ConDems got slaughtered as expected. UKIP got what protest vote there was against the right of centre parties which was a plus given that the BNP was reasonably strong in the area. The majority of those with the vote yawned and went about business as usual.

    I don't see any message in the result other than the voters continuing boredom with our current political political system and their complete distrust of "professional" politicians.

  • Comment number 15.

    Labour wins in rock solid ex mining constituency which relies heavily on state funding.
    Why is this even on HYS? And why in first place? Well at least anyone who doubts the BBC's left wing bias will be pretty clear about it now.
    Barnsley votes Labour because the mentality of places like Barnsley is that the world owes them a living and expects someone else to pay for the services they believe are theirs by right.
    Worryingly this result shows that a large section of the population still thinks that money grows on trees and that it was OK for Gordon Brown to bankrupt the nation and give an illusion of prosperity based on borrowing.

  • Comment number 16.

    "...while Labour's victorious Dan Jarvis said it was a message to the coalition...."

    ...and that message is 'carry on spending'. Well perhaps Dan you can tell us what the 'Eds' can't - Where is the money coming from?

  • Comment number 17.

    Hardly a surprise in a labour safe seat.

    A poor turnout because it won't make a difference. 63% chose not to vote. For anybody.

    Libdems paying the price for getting into government and being cruelly exposed to the real world for the first time in decades.

    Sending a message to the coalition? What?

  • Comment number 18.

    No suprise then, the incompetence of the Condems is highlighted by the inability to perform simple maths and get the correct answer. The turnout percentage figure taken away from 100 does not equal 70%. No wonder the economy is in a mess!

  • Comment number 19.

    1. At 07:55am on 04 Mar 2011, RichardGrey wrote:
    Fantastic!!!

    No surprise!

    Break up the coalition!

    Lets have another General Election!!!
    --------------------------
    Brilliant idea...but who would you vote for?
    Tories want to cut everything, Liberal will say and do anything to get a vote and Labour....have no policies at all.

    So what good will wasting millions in a General election actually have?

  • Comment number 20.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 21.

    I was horrified, alarmed, disgusted, frightened, shook rigid, dismayed, apalled, to see UKIP come second and then the BNP out vote Liberals.

    I can only hope and pray this was some sort of protest vote, because personally I would rather blow my brains out than see either of these two, in my opinion, rascist, xenophobic, organisations with any degree of representation.

    I still feel sick to my core, and am trembling.

  • Comment number 22.

    Voters in by-elections are notorious for not voting as they would in a General Election.However, we're talking a massive Labour stronghold in Barnsley and despite the misdemeanours of the previous incumbent they still managed a runaway win.Possibly the most significant issue is the paltry 36.5% turnout, which may well be signalling the apathy of voters towards politics in general and politicians in particular.

  • Comment number 23.

    After 33 years of conservative type governments, carrying various labels and symbols, dare we hope it represents the first breath of a revival of the real (old) Labour Party?

  • Comment number 24.

    At last! It seems the Country's waking up to the disgraceful policies of the Millionaires Club.

  • Comment number 25.

    UKIP second!!

    That should be a wake-up call to the Tories.

    As for the LibDems - utterly predictable. For years, they got by by on opportunism.

    They also got very soft coverage especially from the BBC. It was quite noticeable, during the election. Campbell and then Cable in particular were treated quite reverentially.

    No doubt because the LibDems followed the same line on Iraq and immigration as the BBC and the liberati in general.

    I do hope the BBC will revise its policies in future, and treat all politicians with equal disdain.

  • Comment number 26.

    The turnout was down and Labours share of the vote increased slightly. The woeful result for the Lib Dems must surely send a clear message to Mr Clegg that voters do not trust his party. No doubt Mr Cameron will just brush the result off as he does with everything else he doesn't like and say it's a blip.

    They obviously havn't learned that attacking the pound in the working man's pocket is not going to win them votes.

    I doubt if they can blame 'voter blues' as the public are now showing their dissatisfaction with the Coalition. I suppose they will say all the Tory and Lib Dems voters stayed at home. If that is the case it shows how little their supporters think of them.

  • Comment number 27.

    It really doesn't matter who wins by-elections and who eventually makes up the Government..... They are all out of touch with the majority of hard working British people.
    If I tried to post what I thought should be the way forward for this country, it wouldn't even get by the BBC moderator, and yet 98 out of every 100 people I speak to agree with me.
    And there lies the problem with this country.

  • Comment number 28.

    Its a shame it wasn't an independent that won the election, its not just the CONDEMS that need a beating its all the main parties, Labour are no better than the CONDEMS, they are also run by an elite.

    I must also agree with post Number2 chrislabiff £6.30p a gallon is downright theft.
    The really galling thing that sticks in my throat is the FACT WE PAY THE POLITICIANS FUEL COSTS.
    Just look at the front benches and the wealth they enjoy, they could easily pay their own furl costs.

  • Comment number 29.

    Never thought i would say this but WELL DONE LABOUR.
    As for the liberal Dems well thats the price of betrayal
    and the cost of getting into bed with the devil.

  • Comment number 30.

    How important is the result the BBC asks. Well, to two thirds of the electorate it is of no imporance or interest whatsoever, they didnt bother to vote. I guess this reflects the jaded feelings the majority of us have for politicians of all tribes, after all this election was to replace an MP convicted of defrauding us with false expenses claims. There's no such thing as an honest politician and I believe this result reflects the general publics disgust with politicians in general rather than any particular party.

  • Comment number 31.

    9. At 08:53am on 04 Mar 2011, peterpaddler wrote:
    Not a surprise.

    The sad fact about British politics is that people don't vote for things they vote against them.

    The liberals are an easy target. Those that voted against the Conservatives hate them because they joined the government. Those who voted against the Labour party hate them because now Labour are gone they need someone else to vote against.

    The liberals are between a rock and a hard place. They didn't win the election so are not in a position to even try to implement there manifesto in full. The economy would have been in a worse state if we were seen to have a week government. The Conservatives had the most seats and the Liberal party have long supported the idea of parties working together in coalition. They only had one real option - form a government with the Conservatives.

    There problem is that they don't want to put the blame where it belongs. With the electorate! We get the government we deserve. I do so wish that faced with the constant media onslaught of "you broke your pledges" they would simply point out that if people wanted those policies they should have voted the Liberals in to power. Not forced them to compromise.
    ====================
    The electorate did NOT force them to compromise.

    This was a political decision taken solely by the LibDems to gain power.

    They could have bargained harder to retain more manifesto pledges, or they could have waked away from the deal and forced another election. In either case they would be riding high in the polls having retained their credibility.

    Of course, the LibDems unpopularity is also a disaster for the Tories as many of their ex voters will switch to Labour. Maybe the Tories playing hardball with the coalition deal will eventually backfire on them...

  • Comment number 32.

    Con/Fibdems did not win? with all the job and spending cuts to all services' in the pipeline, and the increase in V.A.T. fuel and food prices'and gas, eletric ,water rates', who unless not in they right mind would vote for them?

  • Comment number 33.

    1/Democracy doesn't work.
    2/Everybody`s got a different idea of what the 'middle ground' is,and any party trying to position themselves there is never going to succeed.
    3/To be a government anywhere in the world in these difficult times is a thankless task.
    4/A party in government is there to have its head bashed by a large proportion of voters who always want to delude themselves with whatever rubbish the opposition spouts-Whether they`re Labour or Tories.
    5/What do people really want? I despair!

  • Comment number 34.

    I know nothing about Barnsley and yet I would have predicted this in all but the strongest Tory seats. Ed Miliband is doing an excellent PR job and the Lib Dems are a doomed party and they will be wiped out politically unless they promptly break away from the Coalition. However, at this stage I still do not trust Ed Miliband as Westminster is indeed a 'criminal institution' akin to the Mafia in many ways. It is a treasonous institution that no longer represents Britain, but rather represents large multinational corporations. Of course, like all guilty people they will justify themselves by saying, 'What is good for big business is good for the economy and so good for Britain', but in reality the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and that isn't good at all. This economy-centric form of government is a recipe for total failure. There is much more to a nation than its economy and economics cannot solve every problem, and indeed creates many.

  • Comment number 35.

    We must not forget the Conservative percentage of the vote fell dramitically too. It was no surprise really the FibDems had a kicking. This was not just about the cuts , it was also about all the broken promises, all the lies , the unfairness of the cuts, all the U-turns , all the job losses and the lack of growth strategy from the coalition. But having said that Labour must now get back to representing the ordinary working person like they used to and abandon New Labour's tory policies because as we can see nasty Thatcherism has now been rejected once and for all and Labour have a good opertunity to distance themselves from Thatcherism. Be interesting to see the Welsh Assembly elections and the Scottish elections may give us more of an Idea , although maybe not because Wales and Scotland rejected the tories when Thatcher was still in power and I can't see that changing unless the tories move away from their nasty party image but that won't happen unless the abandon Thatcherism and the nasty , harsh regime policies.

  • Comment number 36.

    The government will say "Safe Labour Seat" and "Typical mid-term protest vote." But the coalition only got 10% of the vote, and were 3rd & 6th, with the "Turncoat Party" losing their deposit. It may be a safe Labour seat, but I think the electorate are finally able to give the coallition the message of how they feel about them/their policies.
    Portentious for the Liberal Democrats I believe - I for one will never trust them with my vote again.

  • Comment number 37.

    It does my heart good to see that Dan Jarvis MP is not from the legal, financial or poliical sector. The uneven 'occupational spread' of MP's in Parliament needs addressiing.

  • Comment number 38.

    A turnout of just over 35%; UKIP and the BNP getting more votes than the Lib Dems. There's something sick at the heart of British politics.

  • Comment number 39.

    Everybody in this country knows that the Lib Dems are a total waste of space now.
    Everything that they stood for at the last election has been 'jetisoned' as a substitute for higher office.
    Everyone knows that Conservative values are very different to their's.
    They (Conservative Party) is gaining at their expense and they don't care and it will be too late for them at the next General Election.
    All that remains now is that they are eliminated from British politics!

  • Comment number 40.

    If all Labour MPs could do something illegal and force new elections,the inevitable voting landslides for them would make the Tories/Liberals so unpopular that the coalition should collapse.

  • Comment number 41.

    Labour win a safe Labour seat, beating a couple of extremist parties and the two very unpopular coalition parties.

    I think I need to sit down after that shock.

  • Comment number 42.

    1. At 07:55am on 04 Mar 2011, RichardGrey wrote:

    Fantastic!!!

    No surprise!

    Break up the coalition!

    Lets have another General Election!!!

    _________________________________________________________________

    And bring back the party and the idiots that got us into this mess?

    I couldn't vote Tory to save my life but I could always see what Toady Bliar was and never voted for him or New Labour, the Labour party has a long way to go before convincing me that a vote for their candidate would be a responsible vote.

  • Comment number 43.

    It completely underwhelms me, one third of an electorate bothered to come out to vote,a corpse with a Labour Paty sticker would have been returned to parliament by the loyal labour flock in Barnsley: which is why the only way for anyone to feel their vote counts is for proportional representation to be introduced. Not the insipid alternmative vote being proposed by liberal democrats. I do not much care what the result is, as it will reflect the true will of the people and I have enough confidence in the people to live with that result. If we have PR weour political representatives in parliament rather than the party political fodder we are offered currently. Do I think Labour are competent to run the country NO do I think the Conservatives are better managers than Labour YES do I think Cameron and Clegg are good leaders and motivators NO. Where would I place policticians as a class worth their salary ion a scale from 0-10 where 10 is excellent and 0 is useless I would rank them as -5.

  • Comment number 44.

    Trust me as they say "You Aint seen nothing yet!"

    I live in one of the strongest Lib Dem Areas in London Bermondsey. I have not met anyone young or old who have said they will vote Lib Dem Again.

    They are done, not because they joined a coalition but because they are not Lib at all.

  • Comment number 45.

    The Labour candidate is not from Yorkshire let alone Barnsley. You could put a fishcake up for election in Barnsley under a Labour banner and it would win.

    Interesting UKIP do better than the Conservatives which suggests that many natural Conservatives voters think the current Conservative agenda is too wet.

    At some stage the Conservatives need to strike a deal with UKIP before the next General Election. If they had done this prior to the last election they would have won an overall majority and I think they now realise this.

  • Comment number 46.

    Absolutely fantastic. The Lib Dems are doomed.

  • Comment number 47.

    People have seen through the spin, the lies and the deceit of the Liberal Democrats. This is a party that says one thing in one part of the country where they oppose Labour, and says the opposite in another part of the country where they challenge the Conservatives.

    To say that the Liberal Democrats are finished as a major political force overlooks the fact that they were never a political force in the first place, merely a dumping ground for the protest votes of disaffected voters from both ends of the political spectrum.

    For the Lib Dems to be able to keep propping up the current bunch of Tory millionaires and spivs in the government is an outrage against democracy. ELECTION NOW!!

  • Comment number 48.

    #19 bossuk asks "So what good will wasting millions in a General election actually have?"

    And I bet you'll be asking the same thing in 2015.

  • Comment number 49.

    If UKIP or the BNP had won the by-election it might have sent a "strong message" of sorts.
    However, whatever the result is or could have been, it makes bu**er-all difference to the present situation the majority of us are lumbered with.

  • Comment number 50.

    This great news and hopefully will give the LibDems the wake up call that they need. It won't though - they will carry on with hollow empty words.

    I really do hope that this starts the end of the Lib-Dems in their current guise. I voted for them - biggest mistake I have ever made at the ballot box. Never again. If I vote Lib-Dems - thats what I want, not Tories....

    Start packing Mr. Clegg - your days as deputy PM are numbered and then, hopefully the end of this dreadful coallition.

  • Comment number 51.

    No. 39 Sledger10

    Well said!

  • Comment number 52.

    Barnsley goes to Labour. Hardly a surprise is it. What is an eye opener is once agin we see how little morals there are on the left. War crimes -no bother, theft from the public purse - good man, selling out the working class by trying to replace them from abroad - bring it on. Still, as long as that gravy train turns up on time...

  • Comment number 53.

    The result is important but this greedy government will not take notice because they hide their infantile heads in the sand.
    Stop punishing the people for the American and European banks greed, pursue them for the damage through the American and European courts and the votes will come back. Use their systems against them.

  • Comment number 54.

    //21. At 09:11am on 04 Mar 2011, europhile wrote:
    I was horrified, alarmed, disgusted, frightened, shook rigid, dismayed, apalled, to see UKIP come second and then the BNP out vote Liberals.

    I can only hope and pray this was some sort of protest vote, because personally I would rather blow my brains out than see either of these two, in my opinion, rascist, xenophobic, organisations with any degree of representation.//

    Feel free.

    I'm not entirely sure what 'rascist' means. But EU scepticism and an immigration ban are common sense, not xenophobia. For 'xenophobia' and real racism, look at the likes of Yugoslavia and Darfur, or Pakistan, or closer to home, the mentality which allows and encourages organisations specifically for people of a given skin colour.

    UKIP don't kill people who disagree with them, riot over cartoons, or plant bombs. Others do - they're the ones you should be taking issue with.

  • Comment number 55.

    If the condems don't listen to the voters the next march about cuts may be on the banks in the city.

  • Comment number 56.

    In two words University Fees!

  • Comment number 57.

    The Lib Dems lost their deposit. They have already lost the trust of the British Electorate who know that the
    Lib Dems alone are responsible for giving power to the Right Wing Tories that are methodically trashing
    our NHS and all our other publicly owned Social Services. In doing this they have caused rising unemployment,
    homelessness and loss of essential services for OAPs, young children and students.
    However, the banker cronies of the millionaires, Clegg and Cameron are doing very nicely and the gap between the rich and poor in our society grows ever wider. Well done Clegg and your Liberal Democrats.

  • Comment number 58.

    Who cares they are all useless

  • Comment number 59.

    You could pin a Labour rosette on a pig, in Barnsley, and it would be voted in.
    The result is meaningless, save to observe that the turnout was disgracefully low for a country which thinks of itself as a modern democracy. Perhaps it's a reflection of the depth to which the national morale has descended. We have become a tired and apathetic nation.

  • Comment number 60.

    Someone said a donkey with a red rosette could have won this seat for labour; he probably did. No doubt the boys in red ferried their voters from the benefits office straight to the polls then down to the pub. It's hard to believe that Labour can still get votes after destroying this country's economy and leaving us , our children, and our children's children to foot the bill. God help us if they ever get to power again. More and more it looks like the only way is right.

  • Comment number 61.

    The most interesting thing about this election is that UKIP and the BNP between them got 18% of the votes. Could the prospect of proportional representation, as highlighted by the news coverage of the forthcoming refendum on the Alternate Vote system, have lead voters to reconsider these parties’ prospects.

    Large numbers of voters whose politics are to the right of the main parties are currently not represented in the house of commons. Is it possible that a change to a fairer voting system will correct this? Could a UKIP\BNP alliance replace the Lib-Dems as the Third Party?

  • Comment number 62.

    The result in Barnsley demonstrates that the electorate simply can't stomach bare-faced liars. Politicians have always been economical with the truth but the LibDems plumbed new depths of dishonesty when, urged on by the cynical example of Clegg, they pledged no increase in tuition fees.
    It's one thing to lay down broad principles in opposition, from which you may have to deviate when confronted by the realities of government, but it's quite another matter to sign an unequivocal written pledge in front of the entire nation. Clegg and his acolytes have demonstrated that they are entirely without honour or integrity of any kind. Is it any surprise that the voters can't stomach them?

  • Comment number 63.

    SimpleOldSailor wrote:
    After 33 years of conservative type governments, carrying various labels and symbols, dare we hope it represents the first breath of a revival of the real (old) Labour Party?

    Here Here simpleoldsoldier I hope Labour takes a more traditional Labour route also because as you say we have had 33 years of Tory policies and just look at the state of the country. The ordinary British people have no representation at the moment , the policies of all three main parties is aimed at the big multi-national greedy corporates to make profit at everyone else's expense. But now we are beginning to see greed and capitalism is failing and will collapse. The real wealth creators of this country is the ordinary working person the company executives only create wealth for themselves, and two fingers up to everyone else, and not for the country.

  • Comment number 64.

    PS to no.57

    Is there no legal way to get rid of the unholy alliance known as 'The Coalition.' ?

  • Comment number 65.

    Gosh. Barnsley returns Labour MP. Fan my brow.

    Bankrupt the country (again) - OK. Overspend so far that even the Civil Service ask for confirmation of your instructions in writing - OK. Illegal wars - OK. Shake hands with Gaddafi - OK. Cash for honours - OK. Cheat on your expenses and get sent down - OK. 29% of UK people on benefits - OK. 50% of kids to Uni on spurious qualifications studying pointless guff to keep them off the dole - OK. Totally uncontrolled and largely unskilled immigration - OK.

    Just as long as you keep paying my benefits.

    My grandfather was born in Barnsley, and as a miner would most likely have supported Labour - doubt he'd recognise it now.

  • Comment number 66.

    Two things about the result seem clear...

    1. It tells us a lot about the electorate in Barnsley (short memories)

    2. The LibCons are not perceived as putting the poorest hard workers first, simple things like overall fuel tax of 165% (on fuel cost) hitting the poorest workers hardest, 5% inflation coupled with wage and other cuts again hitting the poorest hardest.

  • Comment number 67.

    47. At 09:33am on 04 Mar 2011, The truth is the greatest enemy of the state wrote:
    "...For the Lib Dems to be able to keep propping up the current bunch of Tory millionaires and spivs in the government is an outrage against democracy. ELECTION NOW!! "
    -------------------------------

    Fat chance.
    The Libs know that if they pull out now and cause an election they are toast. Just as they are in 4 years time. So by hanging on, they get 4 more years worth of MPs salary/expenses etc. So you've got the Coalition for the next 4 years.
    Then you will have a choice between the Tory spivs & millionaires, and the Labour spivs & millionaires.

  • Comment number 68.

    31. At 09:16am on 04 Mar 2011, sixpackerL wrote:
    9. At 08:53am on 04 Mar 2011, peterpaddler wrote:

    The electorate did NOT force them to compromise.

    This was a political decision taken solely by the LibDems to gain power.

    They could have bargained harder to retain more manifesto pledges, or they could have waked away from the deal and forced another election. In either case they would be riding high in the polls having retained their credibility.

    Of course, the LibDems unpopularity is also a disaster for the Tories as many of their ex voters will switch to Labour. Maybe the Tories playing hardball with the coalition deal will eventually backfire on them...
    ==================================================

    I'm sure that it was partly a political decision. Like most politicians they no doubt wanted to effect public policy.

    However they must have know that by not taking the easy option of refusing to play ball with the conservatives they were in for a rough ride. But they have long said that they believed that parities should work together and although they really didn't want it to be with the conservatives what would the consequences if they had not?

    1) From a political perspective they would have been accused of abandoning there principles in regard to working with others for the national good. Plus the media pundits seemed to agree that the public wouldn't have forgiven them for forcing them back to the polling booths.

    2) What was good for the county? Everyone now seems to agree that the economy is in the toilet. Had the country gone back to the poles there would have been a period of uncertainty whilst it was arrange etc Followed by a result which was unlikely to be much different. The possible result of this would have been that the cost of UK borrowing would have gone up (aka Greece). They would then have been accused of flushing the toilet.

    As for the bargaining. I think that we will never know. I think that they probably did there best in a limited time. The negotiations were ended when Gordon refused to stay any longer. At that point the bargaining came to an end.


  • Comment number 69.

    Barnsley would vote in a Labour candidate regardless of who stood in the election, just look at their voting history.

  • Comment number 70.

    #42 syni-cal exclaims:

    "And bring back the party and the idiots that got us into this mess?"

    Mmmmm, the idiots are still occupying the banks, corporations, and off shore havens. Inflation is rising fast, along with unemployment, and all the parties who got us into this mess are still fighting it out in the mess hall.... Never mind Dave'll fix it, he's got money you know.

  • Comment number 71.

    Predictable. The turnout was an indication that the general public have a disregard for any of them ! Let's just look back to the sheer volume of Labour bashing, ( especially against Gordon B,) that was posted on here prior to the election. Now some are regarding them as Knights in Shining Armour it seems. What we need , as has already been said, are more Independent parties. We need politicians with vision who can think outside the box. Trouble is, whoever is in the winning seat will have to implement huge cuts, regardless of the badge they wear.

  • Comment number 72.

    I don't understand what the big deal is. It's been a safe Labour seat for years, ever since the constituency was created. I would not have expected any party other than Labour to win the by-election. Not altogether surprised that the Liberal Democrats fared poorly, although the apparent success of the BNP in this by-election is a cause for concern.

  • Comment number 73.

    59. At 09:49am on 04 Mar 2011, Harwode Magna wrote:
    You could pin a Labour rosette on a pig, in Barnsley, and it would be voted in.
    The result is meaningless, save to observe that the turnout was disgracefully low for a country which thinks of itself as a modern democracy. Perhaps it's a reflection of the depth to which the national morale has descended. We have become a tired and apathetic nation.
    ==============================
    People are apathetic because when they cast their vote the said party can ignore their manifesto pledges and do anything they please. Whats the point in voting? The system must be changed to oblige parties to honour their pledges (if a major pledge is to be broken they must re-consult the electorate).

  • Comment number 74.

    well done to the people of barnsley for showing clegg and co the people do not trust him they do not want him and have by pushing the lib/dems into sixth place they are facing a complete melt down in the forth comming elections.nick clegg has lied to the people and has shown a lack honesty by jumping into bed with cameron,and backing this disgusting cretin of a prime minister.

  • Comment number 75.

    6. At 08:31am on 04 Mar 2011, Mr Cholmondley-Warner wrote:
    2. At 08:02am on 04 Mar 2011, chrislabiff wrote:
    Interesting fact - diesel £6.30 a gallon and rising. Discuss
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    Playing fast and loose with the word "interesting" there, Chris.


    You're right - got to get out more!

  • Comment number 76.

    This is excellent news. The Fib Dems being beaten into sixth place means that Clegg the traitor is likely to lose his Sheffield Hallam seat at the next election.
    Bring it on.

  • Comment number 77.

    60. At 09:49am on 04 Mar 2011, kaybraes wrote:
    Someone said a donkey with a red rosette could have won this seat for labour; he probably did. No doubt the boys in red ferried their voters from the benefits office straight to the polls then down to the pub. It's hard to believe that Labour can still get votes after destroying this country's economy and leaving us , our children, and our children's children to foot the bill. God help us if they ever get to power again. More and more it looks like the only way is right.
    =====================
    I dont think you have much scope for moving further to the right...

  • Comment number 78.

    The lib-dems/tory ass lickers got what they deserved....now, bring on the tories.Good riddance cameron and his millionaire playmates.

  • Comment number 79.

    36.5% Turnout? Insignificant result.

  • Comment number 80.

    Good old Barnsley where the locals are sound and they can speak for most ordinary folk right now. This coalition government are way out of their depth and "The Toffs" are floundering. My bet for another election this year seems on track for a win!

  • Comment number 81.

    21. At 09:11am on 04 Mar 2011, europhile wrote:

    I was horrified, alarmed, disgusted, frightened, shook rigid, dismayed, apalled, to see UKIP come second and then the BNP out vote Liberals.

    I can only hope and pray this was some sort of protest vote, because personally I would rather blow my brains out than see either of these two, in my opinion, rascist, xenophobic, organisations with any degree of representation.

    I still feel sick to my core, and am trembling.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Just relax, it's only a protest vote. Come the General Election all will be back to normal. Like you, I look forward to Britain integrating further into Europe, and despise the lies of ukip/bnp, who effectively sing from the same songsheet.

  • Comment number 82.

    Firstly, I should declare that I currently live in Scotland and vote for the SNP, so I don't have an axe to grind re the Barnsley result.

    As many have pointed out, virtually anything wearing a red rosette would have won this by-election. So no surprise there then.

    The Lib-Dems got a kicking. Is anyone really surprised about this? Their electoral manifesto was pretty much all well to the left of the Labour party's at the last election. And yet they abandoned just about all of their principles for the pieces of silver of a few cabinet seats. I rather suspect that their rank and file were under the impression that, if a coalition was the only option, it would be with Labour. They must be feeling pretty betrayed.

    Mind you, I have to say that anyone who claims to be surprised that ANY political party puts power above principle is guilty of a staggering degree of naivety.

  • Comment number 83.

    The Lib Dem vote in 2010 was surely just a side effect of the need to see the back of Gordon Brown, by voters who could not bring themselves to vote Tory, rather than any sudden wish to see a Lib Dem Government. Nick Clegg should not be surprised - his performance has gone steadily downhill since the euphoria of last May.
    Although you would think that any Government with it's feet on the ground would start to wonder if perhaps, just perhaps, they are out of tune with the Public mood and this should be accepted as a warning shot across their bow, my guess is that the Coalition Government, will simply shrug it off - "to be expected at this stage in the life of a Parliament" but unless they start to listen to the mood of the electorate, then, to quote a certain famous politician -it may be "the beginning of the end" for Messrs. Cameron and Clegg.
    Labour should be heartened by this development - the current incumbent of No.10 and his sidekick seem intent on emulating Gordon Brown's lack of feeling for the Public mood and Ed and Yvette ( whoops -did I mean Ed and Justine ? --- no - I know who I meant ! ) will no doubt be starting to think about new curtains for No. 10.

  • Comment number 84.

    21. At 09:11am on 04 Mar 2011, europhile wrote:
    I was horrified, alarmed, disgusted, frightened, shook rigid, dismayed, apalled, to see UKIP come second and then the BNP out vote Liberals.

    I can only hope and pray this was some sort of protest vote, because personally I would rather blow my brains out than see either of these two, in my opinion, rascist, xenophobic, organisations with any degree of representation.

    I still feel sick to my core, and am trembling.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------
    If you are feeling sick now, wait until AV comes in because the votes for these parties will count and be transferred into MP's.
    People like me, sick of the communist European 'project' will help to ensure, under AV, that UKIP get MP's in Parliament.

  • Comment number 85.

    Good result. I hope the Cponservativs and Libdenms get the message but I doubt it! My own MP (Conservative) now refuses to reply on any point I make. I suspect he is too concerned that he has no valid arguements.
    Unfortunately he is going to get back in at the next election, regardless of how we vote. He is in a safe seat and can safely ignore his constituents!

  • Comment number 86.

    Surprise, surprise! Did we expect anything less in a Labour stronghold? But let us remember whose policy helped (apart from the Banks) to get the Country into the mess 'opening the cheque book' and 'flexing the credit card' only added to the problems!

  • Comment number 87.

    Those who have been most affected by the Coalition’s focus on cutting the deficit more quickly than Labour are more motivated to vote in a bye-election, so the results of this, and all future bye-elections in this Parliament, should be taken with a pinch of salt.

    I think democracy would be best served by the Coalition Government noting this protest vote – and ignoring it.

    I’m sure Cameron and Clegg know that they won’t win the General Election in 2015 and their focus on getting our national finances in order within that term is laudable – but was always going to make them unelectable for a second term.

    New Labour will be back in power in four years’ time anyway. And we should all be very, very afraid.

  • Comment number 88.

    I don't think Cameron's Gerrymandering of the Constituencies is even going to help him at this rate!

    Clegg is a Lame Duck Leader!

    Cameron more PR than PM!

    Election now to get rid of this ineffectual government!!

  • Comment number 89.

    Obviously the majority of voters in Barnsley are completely out of touch with reality. When are they ggoing to wake up to the fact that the country is almost broke & their freebies have to be severley curtailed. Instead of voting for Labour who are largely responsible for the mess we are now in, they would be better advised to start paying their own way & stop relying on other taxpayers to fund their inflated lifestyles. Those who voted for Labour are the empitome of all that is wrong with the UK.

  • Comment number 90.

    I note that both the BNP and UKIP fielded candidates at this Bye Election. Given the key issues current in the UK and the wide discontent about how out of touch the traditional political parties are with public opinion as to their remedies, I would rather have seen a result that eventually leads to a new coalition between the BNP and UKIP. Note to the Moderators & objectors - this is just my opinion voiced in a democratic country about a subject on which the BBC invited comments; I therefore point out that the BNP is not a proscribed party - it took part in the Bye Election and I for one support some, but not all, of their policies.

  • Comment number 91.

    At 08:31am on 04 Mar 2011, Mr Cholmondley-Warner wrote:
    At 08:02am on 04 Mar 2011, chrislabiff wrote:
    Interesting fact - diesel £6.30 a gallon and rising. Discuss

    The Big Society is obviously taking a nap!

  • Comment number 92.

    68. At 10:01am on 04 Mar 2011, peterpaddler wrote:
    I'm sure that it was partly a political decision. Like most politicians they no doubt wanted to effect public policy.

    However they must have know that by not taking the easy option of refusing to play ball with the conservatives they were in for a rough ride. But they have long said that they believed that parities should work together and although they really didn't want it to be with the conservatives what would the consequences if they had not?

    1) From a political perspective they would have been accused of abandoning there principles in regard to working with others for the national good. Plus the media pundits seemed to agree that the public wouldn't have forgiven them for forcing them back to the polling booths.


    Not really the point. It ignores the central fact that Clegg was continually asked what he would do in a hung parliament and he fudged teh issue.

    He certainly did not say central principles were up for grabs.

    In any case pleasing the public is not really the issue. You don't form a government simply to save on voting costs.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    2) What was good for the county? Everyone now seems to agree that the economy is in the toilet. Had the country gone back to the poles there would have been a period of uncertainty whilst it was arrange etc Followed by a result which was unlikely to be much different. The possible result of this would have been that the cost of UK borrowing would have gone up (aka Greece). They would then have been accused of flushing the toilet.



    This is speculation. The government would have been in charge and had shown considerable competence in regaining market confidence. As it is a coalition is inherently unstable and this one is likely to become more so - what will happen to market confidence then?
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    As for the bargaining. I think that we will never know. I think that they probably did there best in a limited time. The negotiations were ended when Gordon refused to stay any longer. At that point the bargaining came to an end.


    Well Gordon Brown corrrectly pointed out that he was was obliged to resign and the consitution could not rest on Clegg's desperate attempts to wring more concessions.

    Clegg's view that somehow Gordon Brown (the Queen etc) should have danced to his convenience is an early example of his political idiocy. He chose to deal with the tories, he was not obliged to and to expect everything to be suspended while he did so is ridiculous.

    He openly sold his principles for a cabinet post and hopefully his humiliations will continue. I doubt he will survive once the AV referendum is voted down.





  • Comment number 93.

    The sad thing, for me, is that there are still many people who believe that Labour might revert to the old, Socialist view. With Ed Milliband in charge (almost more invisible than the series of Conservative leaders in the run-up to Cameron) and his brother waiting in the wings we are being treated to a one Party country. All of these "politicians" went to the same schools and the same universities and then went straight into politics. None of them have any idea of the real world. So their formulate policy that has nothing to do with the real world and where we are as a country, relying on Whitehall mandarins and dyed-in-the-wool civil servants to advise them of the correct policy. It then doesn't matter who'se in charge, because the civil servants are.

    So this result means absolutely nothing and no result will until we stop falling over the photogenic politicians and start electing ones with real life experience and common sense, who will have the courage of their convictions to stick to their guns and make promises they intend keeping. Please wake me up when you find one.

  • Comment number 94.

    //55. At 09:45am on 04 Mar 2011, HonestMP wrote:
    If the condems don't listen to the voters the next march about cuts may be on the banks in the city.//

    Maybe. Of course, there might well be a march on local government offices. People can see the massive waste and inefficiency, and many are wondering why services are being cut, but not the jobs and salaries of highly-paid executives and middle management.

    Our local council is still funding 'diversity initiatives', employing planners to pave over the countryside, and doing stupid road schemes.

    Our local NHS just paid out compensation in an out of court settlement to a couple whose baby their incompetence had killed. How about seeing those responsible named, shamed, sacked and made to pay from their own pockets?

    And that story about the amounts the MoD spends on light bulbs is quite, well, enlightening....

    In short, the public sector is as much to blame as bankers for the present problems.

  • Comment number 95.

    7. At 08:36am on 04 Mar 2011, ruffled_feathers wrote:


    The country was in such a mess that whoever was in power, there would need to be cuts, so any other party not in power would do well.
    -----------------------------------------------

    I think you are missing the point.

    Tories came third after UKIP. That is very bad.
    Lib Dems came 6th after the BNP, that is attrocious.

    People no longer believe it was "all Labours fault".

    The ineffectual Toryled Government have so far:

    1)Reveresed growth
    2)Flip flopped on Foreign policy i.e. Libya
    3)Needlesly messing around with the NHS
    4)Cowering to Murdoch

    People can see that the Government policies are not working. That is the problem and that is why they are doing so bad.

    Would a Labour Government do bad? Yes, but not as bad as these Condem Clowns!!

  • Comment number 96.

    Has anybody looked at the numbers - I have.
    Labour vote down 2500
    Tory vote down 4400
    Lib Dem vote down 5400
    UKIP up 1200
    BNP down 1800
    IND up 600
    So yes very bad for LD but also very bad for Con and bad for Labour and BNP. UKIP - disaffected Tories (probably)
    Turnout down 12800 - thats the story of this by-election
    Please report the facts and not the spin

  • Comment number 97.

    Lets vote for "None of the above".

    We can have a revolution leader, who's volunteering.

    Whatever happened to the Lib-dems, when Paddy was at the helm at least there was strong leadership, Oh Nick Clegg is planning his holiday to spend time with family and his own words "will be someone else's problem while away". Nick your moment of glory, well what little there is of running the country, your once in a lifetime chance to show strong leadership - family comes second, get out there and do it otherwise you will always be known as a wimp.

  • Comment number 98.

    Welcome as the result in Barnsley was(although disturbingly second and fourth places went to the ultra-nationalist, right-wing of the political spectrum, there must be something in the water up there), the main test will be in May when Osborne's stealth cuts to middle class benefits become known.
    The Lib-Dems unpopularity will probably mean the AV referendum will be lost, which will mean the Tories return in 2015, with a majority(thanks to their gerrymandering of the boundaries) on about 40% of the vote.

  • Comment number 99.

    Come on BBC.. you really show just how politically biased you are with how you present this 'story'. The result was expected, Labour HELD the seat, they did not win it. It was done with a massively reduced vote turn out - and with minimal effort from coalition parties.

    I suspect the new MP has limited and tenuous connections with Barnsley, will contribute nothing and claim considerable needless expenses, like all MPs of all parties.

    There is no need to have so many MPs - cut numbers by at least 100

  • Comment number 100.

    Today's headlines from

    The Daily Obvious

    Labour win in a labour stronghold - top, top, TOPPPPP NEWS!.

    What does it mean for world peace? Obama (does not) hold 'crisis' talks.

    Gadaffi says its another sign that 'all my people love me'.

    Jordan says the shock news has brought her and former hubby Peter Andre closer together.

    The Archbishop of York called the result 'typical' adding "aye lad, you could put a red rosette on a damp sponge in Barnsley and 't ud' still get more votes than a Liberal Democrat - now where's me clogs?'

    And crowds gather outside Nick Clegg's holiday cottage to lay flowers. Many are in tears.

    Don't go away! After the break we'll have more top, top TOPPP news from The Daily Obvious!

 

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