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How should we deal with neighbours from hell?

10:28 UK time, Tuesday, 11 January 2011

The government wants to speed up the time it takes to evict tenants engaging in serious anti-social behaviour. Will the proposed changes make it easier to deal with "neighbours from hell"?

Ministers say it can take more than a year to remove anti-social neighbours. Those found guilty of a housing-related offence in England could be liable for automatic eviction in future.
But one housing charity said the idea was a "blunt tool" and the courts were already dealing with the problem.

Will the proposed changes make it easier to deal with "neighbours from hell"? Should local authorities be able fast-track the eviction of anti-social tenants? Is this problem already being addressed by the justice system? Do you have experience of this?

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  • Comment number 1.

    It is impossible to fast-track any eviction - we are all, theoretically, innocent until proven otherwise... This is more hot air from a government desperate for populist ideas (anything to forget about the students' riots)...

  • Comment number 2.

    Id say send them back there but thats too radical .

  • Comment number 3.

    Local authorities already have the powers to deal with antisocial tenants, but some authorities (e.g. my local Tory council) refuse to act on them.

    It would appear that the Tories have gone soft on antisocial behaviour. “Hug a hoodie” does not work.

  • Comment number 4.

    personally i think neighbours from hell are subject to abuse of one sort or another and they need help , its deep rooted physcological trauma ,
    perhaps a longterm solution is physcological and socio economic factors upbringing this passes from one generation to the next its a cycle that needs breaking , additional pressure on people can often be retrograde it worsens the situation and continues to impune people its a double edged sword it cuts both ways.

  • Comment number 5.

    The problem is eviction does not solve the problem it only moves it and it then becomes someone else’s problem.

    We are now reaping the rewards of the Thatcher years and this government is just going to add to the problem not solve it.

  • Comment number 6.

    Heard the interview on the news this morning. If it was my property I'd 'send the boys round' to evict them - problem solved.

  • Comment number 7.

    Stop their benefits until they behave and if they don't improve make them homeless.

  • Comment number 8.

    If they are evicted, then surely they will then be living somewhere else, presumably next to someone else. So eviction is only moving the problem somewhere else.

    If they commit criminal offences, they should be re-housed - in a prison cell. If they have committed no crime they should be left alone.

  • Comment number 9.

    Questions are getting tougher and tougher. I dont know what will be the end of this. Dont trust me from here on.

  • Comment number 10.

    More empty soundbites from the Coalition and knee-jerk legislation likely to make the underlying problem even worse.

    Kay Boycott of Shelter says "Something as critical as whether someone might be made homeless, is surely too important to be left to the discretion of a landlord who may not be wholly impartial".

    I have experienced neighbours from hell and it is wholly unpleasant, often frightening, and always debilitating, but the real issue at the heart of it is the absence of someone taking control of the situation, being aware of what is going on, and actually offering suypport and the opportunity to confront the neighbour in safety and on a level playing field. Most housing authoritites tend to treat the problem like a domestic - "we don't want to be involved" - and that is why the situation runs out of hand.

    As Kay Boycott rightly says the situations are always complex and always need a firm hand on the tiller if totally inappropriate evictions are to be avoided.

    Landlords are often amongst the most untrustworthy in society and yet the Coalition is considering giving them extra power! Another piece of gibberish from the posh kids.

  • Comment number 11.

    Jail them, see how they like their new "neighbours"

  • Comment number 12.

    #4 Pete. I guess you've never been kept awake several nights a week by rampaging youths, all of whom gravitate to a certain dysfunctional family home ? This particular family have been given a lot of support, over several years, but leopards would not appear to change their spots. Although I'm all in favour of encouraging self-esteem and responsibility in some of our more wayward citizens, there comes a point when drastic action has to be taken. I'm thinking " eviction,," before the surrounding neighbourhood have a collective nervous breakdown.

  • Comment number 13.

    What we should be examining is how to evict that bunch of squatters over at the houses of parliament...!

  • Comment number 14.

    Many people don't want to report these types of behaviour for fear of retribution. My previous home had a violent drug dealer (and his partner & toddler) next door. We occasionally had a peaceful few months when he was sent down. He was eventually evicted because a neighbour had complained repeatedly, that neighbour was beaten severely, the dealer was arreseted again, but not charged. None of my neighbours reported anything (according to the safer negihbourhoods team) after that.
    How will fast-tracking help? Eviction only moves the problem to another property?

  • Comment number 15.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 16.

    sounds like a easy way to free up some council property, for other tennants ?" ref The Freedom Pass" new Tory system to move low payed workers to other areas'????

  • Comment number 17.

    Having lived at one time in the past in local housing, most of the neighbours were fine. One group were not and the local softly softly approach by neighbours trying to talk to parents about the problems resulted in the parents being as bad.

    The final spark led to public fighting between two neighbours, the local council did nothing and everyone else was in fear of that family. Eviction would have moved the problem elsewhere resulting in possibly worse violence as 'bad' tenants would be huddled together in ghettos.

    What solved it was a lot of the grown men of the area visiting the family on mass and resolving the issue with a few chosen words about decency and what the future would hold. Things were quiet for years after that, a few minor things happened but were quickly resolved.

    Social control was affected and the Police were acceptable but not entirely convinced by the method.

    Was it a viglilante type scenario, no as no retribution was taken on the bad family but a settling of the position in the area of the families attitude was clearly pointed out.

    When the family grew up they actually got more integrated into the community.

    Today the protection the abusers gets deters social pressure as each house now is seperated from the other and so divided we all fall. Police cannot intervene due to PC intervention and legal help given to yobs etc.

    When I was a kid, if I stole apples from the local orchard, and I did, the family complained to mine and I got the punishment of the time. I am ok even though it was harsh, I knew the rules and my parents knew that we had to be part of the community and to respect each other. I do not know what happens nowadays but it looks grim.

  • Comment number 18.

    "Labour MP Eric Illsley has admitted he fraudulently claimed more than £14,000 in parliamentary expenses."

    Falsifying documents and fraudulently claiming expenses off the taxpayer is very anti-social.

    I wonder if you could ask to have any such MPs evicted if you were unlucky enough to have one as a neighbour?

  • Comment number 19.

    moving them just takes the problem somewhere else, what imbecile thought of that one??
    moving to get away is often not an option or affordable
    asbo's etc do not work, they are a badge of honour

    a community acting in accord is the only real option that would 'make a difference'... yes thats right, don't think or expect the state to be able to sort out what should not be their business. People need to stand together and take responsibility for their neighbourhoods and stop hiding behind closed doors and expect everyone else to sort it out for them.

  • Comment number 20.

    Evicting them just moves the problem somewhere else. Really, we need to decide what to do with them. Do we evict them all to a small island somewhere and let them be 'neighbours from hell' to each other? Do we put the whole family 'into care'? Do we put them out onto the streets? Do we put them in prison?

    Until we've decided what the 'final resort' will be, we can't really do anything else.

    Personally, I think there should be several phases:
    - police/social worker visit
    - Temporary CCTV cameras put on the house (or neighbouring houses) to monitor/capture evidence. If the neighbours are that bad, then the community will be happy for this to happen.
    - regular (daily) social worker visits, including talking to neighbours
    - take any children into foster care
    - withdrawal of some benefits
    - house arrest
    - prison

  • Comment number 21.

    13. At 11:02am on 11 Jan 2011, Positive Thinker wrote:

    What we should be examining is how to evict that bunch of squatters over at the houses of parliament...!

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    Correct...but who do we put in there??? More of the same, living on our money, squeezing the system for every penny, getting caught fiddling the accounts, doing little govvy jobs for backhanders later.

    How quick can we evict them according to this report we are the landlords but I do not see a suitable tenant at all !!!

  • Comment number 22.

    Stop all their benefits to the people that are causing trouble and stop paying benefits to landlords its an easy option for landlords to put these people in their houses they get the rent paid every week by the social.

  • Comment number 23.

    These are EXTREME cases and will help REDUCE the people evicted as they will know now, there will no fooling about with them, you disrupt the majority of YOUR community, you move. Again, one of many commendable measures making people responsible for THEIR actions and lives. Nanny is leaving children, it’s time to grow up and be responsible for your own life. The umbilical cord is at last being cut.

  • Comment number 24.

    This government and councils do not care about what doesn't effect them.
    It costs to much.
    As this gov sets about destroying our communities and making housing issues worse than so shall all forms of anti social behaviour get worse.

  • Comment number 25.

    The sooner the people who are neighbours from hell are moved on the better for the whole community - why should I have to put up with idiots, idle feckless teenagers or kids who know they are above the law?
    All of the last few governments have failed to tackle this adequately.

    If you cannot behave normally in a community you do not deserve to live there - easy

    BTW for some of the above - this has nothing to do with Thatcher or the student riots - if you can actually stick to the subject.

  • Comment number 26.

    How should we deal with neighbours from hell?

    Not sure.

    How shouldn't we deal with neighbours from hell?

    Certainly not by evicting them and making them someone else’s neighbours.

  • Comment number 27.

    1. At 10:43am on 11 Jan 2011, Positive Thinker wrote:

    It is impossible to fast-track any eviction - we are all, theoretically, innocent until proven otherwise... This is more hot air from a government desperate for populist ideas (anything to forget about the students' riot


    Why not introduce a new level of control order so that those suspected of being a "neighbour from hell" are restricted from entering their house, street or estate. Don't need to prove anything then and most people seem happy with this type of justice in the UK.

  • Comment number 28.

    "How should we deal with neighbours from hell?"

    While these kind of people are 'protected' by the Human-Rights Act and the UK's own 'pinkie' PC Laws - OUR hands are tied somewhat.

    Personally, I'd make such people start-off by doing unpaid Community-work in their area - so that suffering neighbours can denigrate them Publicly.
    More seriously, they should be forced to move to remote Rural areas so that they have no neighbours to harrass.
    Even more seriously, their Housing-Contract should make it plain from the start, that they WILL be ejected from their abode, recorded as 'undesirable-tenants' and denied the right for Housing-Benefit - regardless.

    But then again, we know that the PC/Political 'Pinkies' will hurry to their rescue - and deny the decent people THEIR Rights - once again.

    Still - we can DREAM on can't we?...

  • Comment number 29.

    Make no difference at all. Another great social experiment that failed. Putting a number of "social" housing units amongst purchased starter homes etc. Daughter bought one and had the ubiquitous NFH. 2 years of swearing, shouting, breaking up things, tons of rubbish in the overgrown gardens. Sleep all day (no work) rock music all night.
    No one interested. Say anything to them and in come your windows etc. No one interested in that either. Answer? move house 5 of 16 private owned sold cheap and went to a different area where they felt safe. What an indictment on our society.

  • Comment number 30.

    There is Neanderthal living in another road who has a primal urge to have bonfires of none garden waste on a regular basis, usually late evening or weekend on the nicest days when we have washing out or in the summer when the windows are open through the night. And sadly we are down wind of him. After banging my head against a brick wall of loop holes with the Council and the local police. He finally left a fire unattended through the night which meant I was able to call the fire service. After they attended and strongly advised him to be more responsible he reacted stupidly by rebelling against their authority by re lighting the tyres so in the morning when I enquired as to which service attended, as the fire was still burning my call was logged as an official complaint so an investigating officer was appointed to find out what went wrong. The result being my complaint was supposed to be raised at the next J.A.G. (joint agency something or other) meeting so Mr Fire-starter can be monitored. Well I am still monitoring a total lack of interest from ALL agencies when he has his plastic fires. The real world does not work like TV's Life of Grime where people from the council go out and fine environmental offenders.

  • Comment number 31.

    Evict them and make the fact that this has been done debar them from being given social housing or benefits ever again. No amount of help or attempts at educating or rehabilitating these people is of any use. They are not worth the trouble or the cost to the taxpayer, let them plough their own furrow as outcasts of society, if this causes them hardship , it is their own fault

  • Comment number 32.

    Eviction isn't the answer. Anti-social behaviour whether by neighbours or others should result in a custodial sentence. Simply evicting people usually ends up with the state paying out yet more in benefits in welfare. Yes, prison does cost money but that is because of the type of prisons we operate. Miscreants of all types should be kept in labour colonies in remote areas with no heating or other luxuries. Forget reform as it has failed. Re-conviction rates remain high and simply reflect the current liberal and soft regime in British prisons. We need to rid ourselves of people that contribute nothing to society other than crime & violence. Incarceration in a remote inhospitable place is the answer. It's time governments of all political persuasions thought more about the decent law abiding majority than feather bedding miscreants. Yes, not PC but such a policy would be warmly welcomed by the unrepresented silent majority.

  • Comment number 33.

    This is not just neighbours from hell , its to do with law and order , how can these folk flout the law time and time again ! this is rule by fear on some estates , people are afraid of raising the problem with the police or councils because things take so long, the woman and her daughter who took their own lives is a case in point, this should be slapped down the minute it raises it head or Zero tolerance should apply,we have enough to worry about these days without being afraid in our own homes , maybe the mp for the district should have to live in the worst neighbourhoods to see first hand .

  • Comment number 34.

    Something does need to be done to speed up these cases being dealt with

    I talk from personal experience of a friend who was under counselling and on tablets to cope with abusive neighbours

    Councils and housing associations do care but are not equipped to cope, they are not social workers

    How about evicting quicker, then again if they play up in the new place. Then again if they continue. Surely it will start to become so tedious to keep uprooting they will learn that to stay in one place they need to respect the people around them

    Respect to the residents that dealt with the problem en masse without violence. It may be that some of these 'problem' families have no real concept of how they are being perceived

    Stopping benefits would result in the oh now so familiar 'human rights'
    complaint

    #20. Paul @ 11:08am - Some good ideas but think of the cost to the taxpayer!

    House arrest/curfew would be a good deterrent.

  • Comment number 35.

    I do think in general this is a good idea. I had a terrible experience when living in a house that was split into two flats, myself the 1st floor and my 'neighbour from hell' on the ground floor. I was constantly awakened at ridiculous hours in the morning by raging arguments, loud music and door slamming. I complained to my landlord several times and I was not taken seriously, eventually it got to the point where it was affecting my work from lack of sleep and I was forced out move out. I had also contacted the police on several occassions but they were even less helpful.

  • Comment number 36.

    23. At 11:13am on 11 Jan 2011, AuntieLeft wrote:
    Nanny is leaving children, it’s time to grow up and be responsible for your own life. The umbilical cord is at last being cut.
    ---------------
    Are you suggesting that people should "deal with" nuisance neighbours directly? Having lived in South London & tried this, I can't recommend it. I politely asked 4 teenage lads from smoking weed in the communal stairwell outside my door, I was given verbal abuse at that point & threatened by the returning larger group an hour later. They then glued the security door closed (only exit from the flats), covered my doorstep in rubbish & urine, graffiti'd the communal area & set a fire on the stairs.
    I'm not a person that gets intimidated easily, but being 6ft & well trained didn't stop them from coming back with more people.

  • Comment number 37.

    It's obvious that some people don't know right from wrong, so when they have children that's how they grow up. Answer - teach them in school, it should be part of the curriculum how to be a good citizen. Even in good neighbourhoods how many times have you experienced one or more of your neighbours in the garden with their stereo blasting away or uncared for dogs constantly barking? Half the problem in society today is people think that because they have a few bob they can do what they like, it seems to give them an air that they (because they've a few bob)are above the law, and other peoples rights don't matter.

  • Comment number 38.

    Its right that such attrocious behaviour is dealt with as QUICKLY as possible. It is outrageous that victims then have to put up with further tirade of abuse & threats while the slow establishment processes meander to their conclusion and social workers etc and much of the system put the reported/alledged assailants first before the victims.

    It doesnt matter if some have mental problems or will be made homeless, if they are seriously threatening familys & homes etc then they should be removed & victims RIGHTFULLY protected.

    The MORE mentally unstable a person/family or anti-social a family is then the MORE IMMEDIATE a response should be to curtail their behaviour as they are basically UNPREDICTABLE and of GREATER threat due to their mentality of NOT conforming or understanding acceptable BASIC decency and behaviour.

    I personally believe that if any person/family is under such threats of abuse and violence and destruction of property by such criminal behaviour then the victim has a natural RIGHT to respond in just the same way as our government responds to such relative threats.

    If my family experienced such behaviour then I personally am prepared to go to jail to make sure whoever was behaving in such a way was made incapable of undertaking such threats again, end of.

    I would just accordingly act with the same restrained action as British government used in Falklands or Iraq in their reply to actions which ultimately cost no lives in Falklands prior to British government response and also which the threats of Saddams WMD were found to be NON-EXISTANT.
    In the instance of ANY attack or threat of attack to my family I maintain my ENDEMIC NATURAL RIGHT as a living creature to respond to such a threat as is built into my natural survival instincts.

    If you kick a dog, expect to be bitten, if you whack a lion with a big chain or metal pole, expect to be mauled, if you attack or threaten me or my family then there will also be severe consequences, end of!

  • Comment number 39.

    1. At 10:43am on 11 Jan 2011, Positive Thinker wrote:

    It is impossible to fast-track any eviction - we are all, theoretically, innocent until proven otherwise.
    _______________________________________________________________________

    In a lot of these cases there is a shed load of evidence from many neighbours over a period of months going to councils and housing associations. A lot of abuse/vandalism is blatant 'in your face'. Proof gathering is not usually a problem, these are not smart crims.

  • Comment number 40.

    If benefits are being claimed at the address threaten that they will be withdrawn until the behaviour improves.

    If they're not on benefits threaten them with being blacklisted so that they will be unable to rent (or buy) anywhere else in the private sector and if the behaviour doesn't improve then evict them.

    When they're evicted move them in next door to the local MP or magistrate.

  • Comment number 41.

    a big cricket bat,but,i'm old fashioned that way..

  • Comment number 42.

    Treat much of this behaviour for what it is - criminal. Ok, you don't want youngsters growing up with a criminal record. But if it is that or other people living in fear then there is little choice.

    Perhaps whilst children are under 10 their parents should be held financially accountable.

    Setting up a neighbourhood watch scheme can really make a difference because it pulls people together who wouldn't normally come together. Suddenly they're on speaking terms, and their behaviour changes. And then they can present a united front to others. Plus you have a friendly PCSO (we have, anyway) who can go and talk to anyone who is causing problems, and who knows the people involved. It may not work in every instance, but it certainly can make a difference. Neighbours used to stick together - they can do it again.



  • Comment number 43.

    Not much can or is done with problem neighbours sadly ! After months of hell i managed to force the landlord into evicting them or i would make sure he was in court himself.

    We live an a 3 storey appartment block, one flat was rented privately to a young girl, she was nice as pie but at night and full of booze her parties went on until 7am. we politley asked them to be quiet...nothing, we called the police and on one occasion they were at the premises 9 times in 6 hours...they too did nothing, i then decided to make an appearance to inform her to shut up.... there was a bit of hasstle ! weeks of the scum urinating in the communal areas, wiping feaces on the walls and spitting on doors etc, obtained the landlords details. paid a visit, they tried to fobb myself and another resident off, so i played the game with him. i basically went to his home evry single time their was mayhem, at 3am at 6am at 10pm...anytime. My theory was i would annoy him as much as they were annoying us all. My partner wouldnr stay in our home alone in fear of hasstle. in the end i sent the landlord a bill for £3000 for the re painting of the communal areas, a new door, a window and for my petrol for every visit to him i made. she was gone 48 hrs later. luckily the new tennant is fantastic and quiet !!! soemtimes you need to take the law into your own hands to get anything done. council were useless and so were the police

  • Comment number 44.

    It will never happen...
    More likely to prosecute the neighbours that make the complaint.

    A man is lying on the pavement clearly been attacked. People find him and remark, “We need to find the person that did this as they need our help.”

  • Comment number 45.

    How should we deal with neighbours from hell?

    Stop their welfare benefits and get them out to work.

  • Comment number 46.

    Don't report them to the council. When I did they trumped up charges of non-payment of council tax against my psrtner and demanded a custodial sentence. They backed down when it transpired they had made the whole thing up. Now what would be their motivation for that? Oh yes, they were council tenants and so considered 'better' than us home owning scum.

  • Comment number 47.

    You have to live next to a neighbour from hell to really know what it's like... No one should have to eek out their lives under such conditions. People commit suicide over it.

    But it isn't just in rented, social housing that it happens. It's time the help given to those living next to bad neighbours in private housing was upped a couple of notches.

    Anything to speed up dealing with rotten neighbours, incarcerating them, getting rid of them, will ease a vast volume of national stress! Give bouncer-quality guys the powers to go in and deal with the source of the nuisance.

  • Comment number 48.

    These families are usually easy to spot. Shuttering ply where the front door should be, curtains tied in knots, melted wheelie bins, a cooker or washing machine in the garden along with bicycle frames, broken prams, engine blocks, smashed kitchen cabinets and maybe a shattered toilet, and a strong smell of dog odors assaulting the nostrils as you walk by.

    I have one such eye-sore just up the road from me. The council have sent 100's if not dozens of final notices, ordering them to clean up their act or face eviction. I believe the last letter was sent 18months ago. The family are still there, but the house next door is empty, vacated long ago by a family that could no longer take the onslaught of noise and over-spill of rubbish into their own garden.
    Councils need to recognise that it is a problem and form a group of officers with special powers to deal with this sort of thing. If they need to find the money to do it, it's there in the guise of £200,000 p.a+ salaries of our illustrious council leaders.

  • Comment number 49.

    If as we all seem to claim live in a civilised society then there are rules that need to be followed by ALL to make living together possible.
    What must happen and this not only applies to neighbours from hell but to everything is a realisation that all actions result in either rewards or consequences.
    What has happened over the years is consequences for bad actions have been watered down to become so ineffective that they are not a deterrent

  • Comment number 50.

    I am not some bleeding-heart liberal. I do wonder, though, if we are even looking at this kind of thing from the right perspective.

    Travelling back in time to that wonderful utopia that was yester-year, I recall the sense of community and the family ties that held us together. I recently had cause to visit a couple of countries in Eastern Europe, and noticed that this sense of community is still very much alive there. I believe it is also very alive elsewhere in continental Europe.

    The main thing that struck me was that the community was almost like a local police-force, as well as a nursery, neighbourhood watch, and so many other things. Elderly people sat in front of apartment blocks, talking over old times with each other, all the while keeping an eye out for strangers and watching the very young playing in communal areas. People passed through each area with respect, and I was appraised that there would be no funny business around as one of the old women was a local policeman's grandmother and it would be more than his life's worth to not respond to any issues she had.

    In such an atmosphere everyone is expected to get along and to socialise and be part of the group. Everyone is included. And if someone wants to buck the trend they are quickly recognised and brought into the fold via a variety of methods. If they really want to be antisocial their own life is made difficult, with the entire neighbourhood standing up to them, so they are soon hounded out (although this, I was told, is a very rare occurrence and everyone feels they have failed if it comes to that).

    Anyway, my point is that because we have lost our sense of community we are all adrift, not really knowing our neighbours, having little in common with them, and so we are all pretty antisocial. The ones being talked about here are simply those who rail agianst this in a noisy or violent way. They feel excluded and powerless, so tilt at windmills in an attempt to destroy their demons. The only real solution is to encourage community to return.

  • Comment number 51.

    a good beating!

    but how dare we do something bad to bad people that deserve it!

    2 wrongs don't make it right, but it makes us even!!

    personally id fight fire with fire if my neighbors started beings a nightmare id do the same back but worse to the point they throw the 1st punch then i can ensure swift justice :) then have them done for attempted GBH.

    failing that the old flaming dog poo on the doorstep trick is good.

    the only thing the people were talking about understand is there own methods back at them. ASBO's etc are like water of a ducks back!

  • Comment number 52.

    Disowning the poorest, and encouraging greed (Started by Thatcher) has now come back to haunt us. Not only that, but the problem will get worse and worse - we only have ourselves to blame!

  • Comment number 53.

    23. At 11:13am on 11 Jan 2011, AuntieLeft wrote:

    Nanny is leaving children, it’s time to grow up and be responsible for your own life. The umbilical cord is at last being cut.

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    Back during my 'pay my way through University' days I had a temp summer job loading lorries. One day one of the permanently employed workers failed to turn up.

    Turns out he had some antisocial neighbours. A large asian family, far too big for the property, had moved into the house next door not long ago. They hadn't exactly socialised with him and were a bit noisy but other than the nuisance of litter/junk ending up on his lawn nothing serious happened. One day their children had been throwing stones in their back garden, over the fence they came and smashed the patio windows. He went next door and confronted them about it. They slammed the door in his face. He rang the door again, not long after 3 men stepped out and beat him senseless.

    When others resort to violence in such a manner. 'Deal with it yourself' isn't a solution.

  • Comment number 54.

    Here we go again, wondering how to deal with a problem that the law itself has allowed to fester.

    Everyone knows that these types are serial offenders who take full advantage of the law's weaknesses and couldn't care less about anything. Worse still, they all live on social security benefits, and spend the money on drink, drugs and cigarettes. They are the very dregs of society.

    When are those in authority going to appreciate and admit this, instead of constantly labelling them as "vulnerable", and "disadvantaged"? They are neither. They are often much better off financially than their unfortunate neighbours, who work for a living, pay their taxes and are decent citizens.

    As to the courts they are, from personal experience, a joke. The full force of the law is rarely exercised. Offenders are handed yet another piece of paper ordering them to behave responsibly and pay for damage on pain of imprisonment, but let off time and time again. Human rights legislation has subverted justice altogether. Solicitors and barristers are the only people who thrive in this scenario.

    We should revive public flogging. Physical punishment is the only thing these low-lifes can understand. Do-gooders opposed to such "barbaric" measures will have to realise sooner or later that their sympathetic methods don't work. Let's see whether a session with the birch will improve offenders' minds.

  • Comment number 55.

    Of course these problems should be dealt with as fast as possible. Too much time is currently wasted on bureaucracy: paperwork, processing complaints, gathering independent evidence, co-ordinating with other agencies and waiting for Courts.

    Why on earth summary decisions can't be made sooner is anyone's guess. It's become similar to the child-protection problems: co-ordination across agencies, up and down hierarchies, the passage of documents, the time it takes to bring cases to courts, family courts, etc ad naus. There was a time when a Children's Officer could have a child pulled out of danger in an instant. Not now.

    Besides, the law concerning what constitutes antisocial neighbourial behaviour needs overhauling and you know how long that will take. Unfortunately, some people don't know how to behave responsibly in a society so laws are usually essentil.

  • Comment number 56.

    Easier said than done.
    If we can't send a radical mullah who preaches violence and killing back to his own country because it's against his human rights what hope have you got and where do you send a bunch of holligans who terrorise people in their communities.
    Sound good in theory but it won't happen

  • Comment number 57.

    26. At 11:22am on 11 Jan 2011, Syni_cal wrote:
    How should we deal with neighbours from hell?

    Not sure.

    How shouldn't we deal with neighbours from hell?

    Certainly not by evicting them and making them someone else’s neighbours.

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    How about setting up training centres, like Pakistan uses to re-train/integrate ex-terrorists.

    These people are basically terrorists, terrorising innocent familys, there is NO NICE way of getting through to these low lifes mental thought patterns.

    Maybe we should take a few pointers from Dubai and build a large offshore island, to house the worst anti-social people on, so they have somewhere to live, maybe design it to look like Animal from the muppets, then leave them to it, dropping off some cabbage by helicopter every now & then so they dont starve. It could be paid for by setting it up as a tourist attraction with low level flights buzzing the inhabitants and making them run around.

  • Comment number 58.

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  • Comment number 59.

    To hell with their human rights. Stop their benefits, put them on the streets.

    A few nights in the cold rain may make them better citizens.

    Society finding excuses for them and bailing them out doesn't work it just encourages them.

  • Comment number 60.

    37. At 11:44am on 11 Jan 2011, Toothpick Harry wrote:
    Half the problem in society today is people think that because they have a few bob they can do what they like, it seems to give them an air that they (because they've a few bob)are above the law, and other peoples rights don't matter.
    ---------------
    It's not a question of whether that have "a few bob" as you put it. There are just a lot of people around who don't give a damn about anybody else. A few months ago I heard a noise one night (I live in a city) and looked outside to see a young man who was having fun on his way home after a night out smashing off wing mirrors from every car in the street. (Police weren't interested) At a £100 each he caused several thousand pounds of damage, but I'm sure he felt better. A couple of weeks later my car and a dozen other cars were all keyed along the full length of the car. (And no, I don't have an expensive car - not that it would make it any more acceptable). The occupants of a neighouring flat routinely come in at 4am after a night out on Friday and Saturday and turn their music on full blast until 6am when presumably they finally go to bed. Another neighbour even started hammering at 6am on New Year's Day!! This kind of anti-social behaviour is relatively minor compared to some of the things reported, but if this happens routinely in a fairly ordinary part of the city without being stopped then it becomes acceptable and slowly what is acceptable escalates. Who's going to stop it though? I can't believe that as a society we need to have police on every corner.

  • Comment number 61.

    Yet more Tory spin but no doubt some gullable people will fall for it. We should evict our anti- social PM from number 10 but at least he won't need to live in a cardbord box like he's forced many others to do.

  • Comment number 62.

    At 11:39am on 11 Jan 2011, ProbMan wrote:
    23. At 11:13am on 11 Jan 2011, AuntieLeft wrote:
    Nanny is leaving children, it’s time to grow up and be responsible for your own life. The umbilical cord is at last being cut.
    ---------------
    Are you suggesting that people should "deal with" nuisance neighbours directly? Having lived in South London & tried this, I can't recommend it. I politely asked 4 teenage lads from smoking weed in the communal stairwell outside my door, I was given verbal abuse at that point & threatened by the returning larger group an hour later. They then glued the security door closed (only exit from the flats), covered my doorstep in rubbish & urine, graffiti'd the communal area & set a fire on the stairs.
    I'm not a person that gets intimidated easily, but being 6ft & well trained didn't stop them from coming back with more people.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Don’t know how my comments were turned into 'dealing with' nuisance neighbours.
    I thought it was clear that I believe that people who ARE the nuisance neighbours should bear responsibility for THEIR actions (ie by thrown out of home and community they are disrupting in this case). This IS one of many actions being taken by the government to make us all more responsible for OUR lives and OUR actions. Not the Nanny State and blaming everything on government or 'human rights', etc.
    The feckless and immoral have had their day I hope

  • Comment number 63.

    5. At 10:53am on 11 Jan 2011, RonC wrote:
    The problem is eviction does not solve the problem it only moves it and it then becomes someone else’s problem.
    ...........................................
    Doesn’t have to be that way. Problem is they, council, never put all the anti socials in one place. They fail to see the logic, all anti-socials don’t mind other anti-social behaviours, it’s normal to them! The solution is to put all the noisy, selfish morons in one place. I have had problem neighbours for a decade. The council does nothing. The last neighbour moved out not because of eviction, because he was imprisoned for being a nutter! Next lot move in who are basically having 24/7 drinking sessions, all over 50 by the way! Most irritatingly an eviction notice is presented within weeks if the rent is not paid! Eviction maybe not, move them all to the same place definitely.

  • Comment number 64.

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  • Comment number 65.

    How should we deal with neighbours from hell?

    I solved this problem by buying a detached cottage surrounded by acres of land.

  • Comment number 66.

    forwardpasser wrote:
    Disowning the poorest, and encouraging greed (Started by Thatcher) has now come back to haunt us. Not only that, but the problem will get worse and worse - we only have ourselves to blame!

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Are you reading the same question as me? I would say it has a lot more to do with the ghettoisation of the poor under labour when Tony Blair decided to punish them for not being sufficently subservient to him. Thatcher was no angel but you seem to have the blinkers on when the stasi were in power for the last decade.

  • Comment number 67.

    Many of these familys have received £thousands in help, from benefits to education to housing to social workers and they just carry on costing society more & more money. Then they then breed and multiply the problems and costs to society in general.

    Maybe a pro-active way of dealing with them is to make them attend a Monty Pythons "school of funny walks" and to stay until they qualify.

    At least that way people/victims could see them coming from a long way off and have a bit of warning and they wouldnt be able to run away so easily when the poklice turn up, or escape & attempt to blend in with crowds!!!

  • Comment number 68.

    "5. At 10:53am on 11 Jan 2011, RonC wrote:
    The problem is eviction does not solve the problem it only moves it and it then becomes someone else’s problem.

    We are now reaping the rewards of the Thatcher years and this government is just going to add to the problem not solve it."

    Absolute rubbish, Thatcher left governemnt two decades ago since then we've had the ineffectual government of Major and the psuedo presidency of Blair

    The problems arises due to the lack of consequences arising from such behaviour which reflects the labour governments fixation with rights and not responsibilities. Unfortunatley the legislators and enforcers in this country no longer have the guts to stand up for the decent living majority.

    The answer, throw such people out of their houses and make them homeless - tough consequences will soon stop the problem. As for thugs who terrorise neighbourhoods they are no longer afraid of the police that needs to change


  • Comment number 69.

    I wish that in my lifetime, JUST ONE of these governments who "Talk the Talk"....actually "Walked the Walk" as well.

    There is a simple answer to local rowdyism, but they are all too spineless to do it.

    Firstly. BIN the Human Rights Act.

    Then bring all these vermin to the centre of our towns and cities, and put them into pillories or stocks for a couple of days. Let the public deal with them in a way that they wouldn't forget in a hurry.

    And bring them back....as often as it takes for them to get the message!

    They are the vermin on the face of Britain.

  • Comment number 70.

    How should we deal with neighbours from hell?


    Make them live in "Heaven" night club in London for a few months.

    It might convert them one way or another and at least they will not be neighbours from hell but neighbours from "Heaven" !!!

  • Comment number 71.

    They maybe the "neighbour from hell" to you and you maybe the "neighbour from hell" to them.

    Others who live near you would know.

  • Comment number 72.

    How should we deal with neighbours from hell?

    A bit of reverse social engineering perhaps?

    I'll preface my comments by saying that I have no experience of how things work/used to work re social housing in big cities - only in small towns.

    Until I moved to Scotland 11 years ago, I lived for over 40 years in various council estates in North Wales. In my experience most towns - certainly the ones I knew about - had two main council estates. There was a 'nice' estate, where what might be called the upper working class were housed, and the sink estate.

    Unfortunately, somewhere around the late 70's/early 80's, many of the local councils (this could have had something to to do with local govt reorganisation in 1974) began to be dominated by a bunch of bleeding heart lefties (they tended to call themselves 'Independents' but even a cursory examination of their voting records showed otherwise). This lot believed in 'social integration' and they began to house those who requested homes (or requested transfers) in the 'nice' area in the sink estates instead, and those who requested homes in the sink estate to the nice estate. To the surprise of no-one but the pinko councillors (certainly no surprise to the inhabitants of the nice estates), these nice estates degenerated into something approaching Gaza City on a bad day. Where they've stayed according to friends who are still unfortunate enough to have no other choice but to stay where they are.

    So, - evict the families causing the problems in what used to be the nice estates, move a nice family into their house (probably have to clean/fumigate it of course) and rehouse the scumbags in the nice family's old house in the hold sink estate (where they never wanted to be put anyway).

    Sounds like a plan to me.

  • Comment number 73.

    # 65 - Dave

    You've not done yourself any favours there mate...wait for it :-)

  • Comment number 74.

    I found such neighbours unapproachable, with polite requests to tone it down a bit out of the question in that the miscreant, though of small build, had a violent disposition.

    So I resorted to:
    1. Reciprocating their loud music with my even louder sound system booming out ear-bleeding tracks from a Steve Vai album.
    2. Effective temporarily as it conveyed the message in no uncertain terms, but sought our local council's help as their various dins resumed.
    3. Police were subsequently involved owing to a 'violent' element and the family were moved on, albeit separately.

    However, where such 'neighbours from hell' are moved en mass elsewhere, enabling their inconsiderate behaviour to continue - I think an enforced week's worth of their own medicine in a custom-built room with extremely loud recordings of fights, music and foul-mouthed arguments MIGHT eradicate their offensive activities.

    Now, what can we do about the 'government from hell'?

  • Comment number 75.

    How should we deal with neighbours from hell?


    Maybe do the same as with neighbours from Australia, turn them into a tv programme. Trouble is, if its anything like Eastenders or Neighbours, it will have multiple problems, like murder, rape, stealing babies etc all in just a few houses & familys, hence probably NOT much change.

    MAYBE, this is where these anti-social people get their social education from in the first instance!!!!

  • Comment number 76.

    #72

    Spot on Wyn

  • Comment number 77.

    What about MPs from hell? These greedy, grasping, cheating, immoral, self-serving hypocrites who still think they are abouve the law. They tell us anything to get elected then ignore us for another 5 years.

  • Comment number 78.

    This does nothing about the scum that bought a house & therefore not subject to eviction - unfortunately.

    The local police have done nothing whatsover in our community about 2 active criminals despite a huge number of complaints, the council departments the same.
    When a resident was forced to act "directly", he was the one the police arrested.

    Pathetic soundbites from a failed Govt. as useless as the last lot when it came to results.

  • Comment number 79.

    There needs to be a better system than automatic eviction. Where do they live after automatic eviction? If re-housed elsewhere, is that not moving the problem on to other neighbours? I agree with the housing charity that said the idea was a "blunt tool". Dealing with the problem through the courts appears to me to be the only fair way, as the courts will take consideration all facts before reaching a fair resolution. If the government are allowed to get away with automatic eviction today, tomorrow they will use that as precedence for automatic sentences on all matters that are currently dealt with through the courts.

  • Comment number 80.

    It is very difficult to deal with nuisance neighbours quickly. We tried talking to the neighbours but all we got was “We don’t speak English” and then the door was slammed in our face (we sometimes heard them chatting in English over the garden fence.) It took us ages to get the landlord next door to deal with our noisy neighbours and even then we had to force his hand. All requests for him to deal with the issue fell on deaf ears. He allowed 9 people to live in a 3 bedroom house.

    We contacted the local council and they started to help us but it is a time consuming process. They have to send someone out when the noise is happening and they have to hear it themselves. You can’t make an appointment and they are really busy. So if the noisy party stops at 3am and they come at 3:15am you have wasted everyone’s time.

    Luckily they came round at 2am one morning when the neighbours were making one hell of a racket. As soon as the landlord received the notice that he would be fined £2000 if this happened again, he swiftly kicked them out.

  • Comment number 81.

    "4. At 10:49am on 11 Jan 2011, pete wrote:
    personally i think neighbours from hell are subject to abuse of one sort or another and they need help , its deep rooted physcological trauma."

    If that's how you feel, we'll send them to live next to you.

  • Comment number 82.

    Anyone guilty of anti-social behavior as a tenant should be evicted and automatically become inelligible for council housing, anywhere in the UK.

    Some people need to learn that living in a society requires certain standards of behaviour. If you choose not to accept those standards then you take the consequences and enjoy living on the street. No housing benefit, no council tax benefit - they won't need it.

  • Comment number 83.

    Once upon a time decency and some level of accepted norm in behaviour based on a shared concept of decency actually ruled the streets. People who shared that idea were together stronger than those who ignored those norms. They were even supported by those who had power locally be they the authorities or less legal versions of such. All had the ability to put pressure on in a flexible manner to achieve the end of keeping the streets safe and decent and allowing us all to sleep at night.

    Bit by bit it has all been given away and those shared notions of decency are memories. We don't even dare to police minor anti social behaviours and even people who assume they are decent will park in disabled spaces or empty their car ashtrays as they drive down someone else's residential streets. The police have had their connection with local community broken and have more rules than power to intervene. Laws protect the perpetrators and disarm the community.

    It isn't about eviction,it is about how we all want to live, free of this kind of behaviour and the associated stress and fear. This is what big society should be about but to achieve it will take more than a few smarmy speeches.

  • Comment number 84.

    They should bring back hanging.

  • Comment number 85.

    # 72. Wyn

    I too have always wondered why integration was necessary

    I believe some naive person truly believed that by putting the sink estate classes in with the rest of us they would up their standards

    Sadly, in reality, the opposite has occurred. The sink estate class just resent those in the private housing that can afford a nice car and holiday and it is rubbed in their nose because they can see it from their own front door, they seem not to notice the residents leaving the house at 8.00am everyday till 6.00pm each day 48 weeks of the year.

    In our area the developers are now putting the social housing element as far away as possible from the private element as it was not very appealing to pay £350k for a nice house only to have to navigate past cooker and mattress occupied gardens to get to it.

    People are what they are, and it could be deemed quite cruel to have put the financially better off in their faces.

  • Comment number 86.

    Tony Blair should never have given them free computers so they wouldn't feel excluded from society. Now they infest internet message boards complaining about living in poverty on welfare benefits, bankers bonuses, the tory party, 4 x 4's, Big Business, Medium Business, Small business and the rich.Lol

  • Comment number 87.

    12. At 11:02am on 11 Jan 2011, smilingparrotfan wrote:
    #4 Pete. I guess you've never been kept awake several nights a week by rampaging youths, all of whom gravitate to a certain dysfunctional family home ? This particular family have been given a lot of support, over several years, but leopards would not appear to change their spots. Although I'm all in favour of encouraging self-esteem and responsibility in some of our more wayward citizens, there comes a point when drastic action has to be taken. I'm thinking " eviction,," before the surrounding neighbourhood have a collective nervous breakdown.

    ------------------------------------------

    I had what sounds like similar neighbours, they annoyed everybody, shouting, screaming, kicking our bins over, throwing rubbish in our gardens. I asked nicely if they could refrain from their unruly activities. All I was met with was a bunch of abuse from both father and 12 years old son. The next day I employed a few very rough looking guys with a large dog who went round and explain their future if they did not stop annoying the neighbours. They are now very good neighbours and the son even calls me Sir. Job solved

  • Comment number 88.

    I agree with many of the comments on here and am heartly sick of the throw money at the problem brigade.

    It's not that difficult. Every tenant must sign a contract. Add a couple of lines - 3 strikes and you're out. This is what some housing associations now do. It's amazing - one lot get thrown on the street and the rest of them behave. Also, the law needs to be changed so that any landlord must take responsibility for their tenants - get them out or the neighbours can sue you. Housing benefit should be withdrawn from these wasters. I'd go further and tackle these feral kids by withdrawing all child related benefits from parents who don't control their kids and make them take fiscal responsibility for any damage caused by the lack of parental control. So what if they end up homeless - if the consequences are spelt out it's their decision.

    Behave like a member of society - or don't complain when society protects itself by rejecting you. As for the Human Rights Act - don't get me started!!! You only have human rights if you're the perpetrator -law abiding people don't seem to have any at all - GET RID

  • Comment number 89.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 90.

    Surely just evicting these people simply pushes the problem from one area into another without actually dealing with it?

    A successful eviction is great for the neighbours that have been suffering at their hands for months...but it's just the start of the suffering for their new neighbours.

    You could say 'well just don't rehouse them'...but many of these problem families have young kids, and I don't think we live in society that will see kids living on the streets even if they are troublemakers.

    My opinion is that we need to start thinly dispersing these problem people so we don't create any more no-go ghetto areas. It's bad enough when you have one problem family on a street, let alone 2 or 3. We need to make sure that these problem people are in a very small minority. Then we need to encourage all the decent local resident to support each other, which includes helping someone out if they are in need and coming forward as witnesses when the police investigate...so many cases come to nothing because the local community clams up and wont come forward.

    It's amazing what residents can do if they stick together and support each other - a group of local residents in my town got a club shutdown after months of keeping notes, dairies and video footage of drunk problem customers.

    The trouble is, everyone keeps to themselves now and is too willing to turn a blind eye as long as it's not them being abused or attacked.



  • Comment number 91.

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  • Comment number 92.

    Eviction is no answer, its just moving the problem somewhere else.
    Of course, this is a kind of sweet revenge, as Cameron is having to deal with the legacy of Thatcher's 'no society' agenda. Again not a solution, but worth pointing out!

    These people obvious need some help, and that's where the focus needs to be. Dave 'Hug a Hoodie' Cameron needs to magically appear, metaphorically hug them and turn them around, and all will be well.

    Of course in the real word, the Social Services professionals, currently waiting on their redundancy notices and retraining plans to become office cleaners and checkout assistants, should be the ones to do the hard bits.......

  • Comment number 93.

    Kick them out. Lock them up. Throw away the key.

    Sadly the loony, bleeding-heart, liberal-left has ruined our society by protecting criminals and scum and making hard-working, law-abiding taxpayers second class citizens in our own country where we have fewer rights than neighbours from hell and scum in general.

  • Comment number 94.

    Maybe we should have a national anti-social lottery, which stops off in alternate towns & citys.

    First, round up 48 of the weeks worst anti-socials. Wrap them up in velcro put the (48) anti-socials in a big see-threw tumbler concrete mixer thingy & spin it around, every now & then a big vacumm sucks one of them out & fires them (7 in total) down a moving & rotating barrel at a wall with numbers on, numbered 1 to 48.

    It'd make good entertainment and good causes would benefit, and you could just leave them on the walls outside each town/city for a few days & people could feed them with rotten tomatoes etc.

    The left over ones not fired against the wall could just be allowed home but remain as a viable future choice via a phone in competition.

    See, there can be positive ways of dealing with anti-social behaviour!!!

  • Comment number 95.

    "5. At 10:53am on 11 Jan 2011, RonC wrote:
    The problem is eviction does not solve the problem it only moves it and it then becomes someone else’s problem.

    We are now reaping the rewards of the Thatcher years and this government is just going to add to the problem not solve it."

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

    I suppose it was Thatcher’s fault you burnt your toast this morning.

    Another delusional leftie

    The proposal will throw the problem neighbours' out of their home and they will no longer be able to claim government support for housing

    I think this alone will hopefully make many 'problem neighbours' think twice BEFORE they get thrown out.
    If they do get thrown out, I suspect they would think more than twice about doing it again. I think its called a deterrent and has been used by human society for many thousands of years with success. But of course this is the REAL world and the left don’t like this so I suspect it will be against their 'human rights'

  • Comment number 96.

    As others have said only those who've experienced the hell of nuisance neighbours can truly understand the way they take over your entire existence and turn what should be a sanctuary (your home) into a prison. Sadly I suspect this is just more headline-grabbing lip service from a Government who have repeatedly demonstrated their utter contempt for the concerns of ordinary tax-paying voters.

    For instance, they seem to just accept the popular misconception that this sort of thing only goes on in council housing - it doesn't. In fact, council tenants probably have far more recourse than other groups when besieged by problem families - most of those you do hear about being evicted or taken to court were council tenants.

    What happens next? They enter the private rented sector, where a growing number of slum landlords aren't particularly concerned with their behaviour or even what they do to the house because they know that by housing them on behalf of the council they'll get guaranteed rent paid by Housing Benefit (and in many cases can name their own price) and any damage will be similarly covered using public funds. If you're an owner-occupier living in a street which has been ruined by this kind of irresponsible, unaccountable landlordism you have very few options but to sit it out and hope they'll leave, not least because selling a property rendered worthless overnight becomes an impossible proposition.

    The local authority tell you to contact the police. The police in turn state that anti-social behaviour is a council matter. The same councils that can wade in and remove well cared-for kids from loving homes because some doctor decides they're 'obese' or fine someone for accidentally dropping a half-eaten sausage roll, or threaten them with jail for putting the wrong item in the wrong bin, invariably turn the other way and pretend not to see dog fouling, garbage hurled into neighbours' yards, foul-moutherd, feral kids defacing and despoiling everything in sight, open drug dealing in view of youngsters, the psychological abuse of innocents with verbal / physical abuse and the misuse of stereo equipment.

    Why? Because our public authorities have become preoccupied with performance culture, 'quick wins' and easy targets - and in any case regard the perpetrators as 'victims' in need of a good hug and a cuppa, and certainly not the violation of their human rights through being punished or made to take responsibility for their actions.

    Unfortunately whatever the Fib-Cons say this is only going to become a much more serious issue. We have a culture of landlordism where communities are being systematically destroyed by the rich using their resources to accumulate the sort of homes which would once have been purchased by the working poor. We have the prospect of massive cuts to the already thin blue line of policing and local authorities which will ultimately result in parts of our cities (not, of course, the parts where the rich and powerful live) becoming lawless and ungovernable.

  • Comment number 97.

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  • Comment number 98.

    I understand Rockall is nice this time of year?

  • Comment number 99.

    52. At 12:06pm on 11 Jan 2011, forwardpasser wrote:
    "Disowning the poorest, and encouraging greed (Started by Thatcher) has now come back to haunt us. Not only that, but the problem will get worse and worse - we only have ourselves to blame!"

    ----------------------------------------

    Now I've heard it all

    1. Half of these "people" weren't even born when Thatcher was in power
    2. The last 12-13 years has seen a huge rise in the nanny state, with a whole "industry" in the social work sector concerning itself with the "vulnerable" in society
    3. There is (and always has been) a small percentage of the population who are so mentally incapable of grasping basics, such as community, that they are effectively outcasts who CAN'T fit in
    4. Many of these people aren't POOR. Some of them will even qualify for additional benefit support because of their "special needs" - Promoted by point 2 because of point 3

    Put in it's simplest form: These adults, and their offspring, just DON'T CARE

    Basically there isn't much we CAN do directly, and there seems to be even less that the authorities are prepared to do

  • Comment number 100.

    #90

    "The trouble is, everyone keeps to themselves now and is too willing to turn a blind eye as long as it's not them being abused or attacked"

    No its because they are afraid of retribution which the ploice nor authorities will deal with

    Why disperse the minority of problem families, why should law abiding citizens put up with such individuals. Put them in sink estates and let the majority live in peace....its time to stop bothering about the minority and time to protect the majority

 

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