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The Apprentice: an entertaining business?

22:02 UK time, Sunday, 19 December 2010

Stella English has won Series 6 of The Apprentice, beating Chris Bates in the final challenge. Did the right applicant get the job?

Series 6 started on 6th October 2010 and once again featured hopeful applicants vying for a job with Lord Sugar. During the course of the series applicants have faced business-based challenges ranging from selling British crisps in Germany to creating a new brand of household cleaning product.

Did the right applicant win? Was the series about business or entertainment? If you run a business, would you hire either of the two finalists?

Thank you for your comments. This debate is now closed.

Comments

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  • Comment number 1.

    Shallow and soulless like most reality TV shows.

  • Comment number 2.

    Well done, nonetheless.

    And I must say, yowser! She's beautiful.

  • Comment number 3.

    I don't know. No one would know until she started for real. I do not watch this programme.

    Are the BBC trying to drive away those of us who want a debate about current affairs?

  • Comment number 4.

    If this show is representative of what dregs we are training & employing in UK businesses, I am not surprised that we need to import so many high educated/professional immigrant workers.

    The series was ultimately just plain embarrassing and many of the applicants were as embarassing as terrible rejects of Britains got talent & X factor.

  • Comment number 5.

    Can Julian Assange's supporters not hack into HYS and change the topic from The Apprentice?

  • Comment number 6.

    Congratulations to Stella, although personally I felt that Chris had more flair and offered more radical thinking. Over the series I would have given it to Liz - very smart, both in mind and looks!
    People are already running this show down - they obviosuly miss the point entrirely regarding how you measure people's potential. It is thoroughly entertaining but also shows people how to make themselves stand out and also what mistakes to avoid. Essential TV for budding young business people.

  • Comment number 7.

    yawn... just done a survey on HYS presumably to discover exactly how shallow the public think it has become.

  • Comment number 8.

    The show gives me an impression that in business, you can bully people, in order to achieve your goal.

  • Comment number 9.

    I have seen better attempts that have failed first assignments in BND in Business & Finance, & these applicants were all supposidly with some form of experience & not just 16 year old school leavers, one of them is even a bit of a quack, I hope he shows a 100% increase in competance and abilitys when dealing with any patients.

  • Comment number 10.

    MrWonderfulReality, it might help if you have actual experience of watching the show before posting a comment. That way, you could actually write something analytical instead of recycling tiresome politically-warped soundbytes. Just a heads-up for next time, because unfortunately the BBC seems adamant on shoving Have Your Say topics based on trivial reality television down our throats and it's probably best in the future if you have anything resembling knowledge of what you're talking about so that you don't come across as a jealous and narcissistic cynic.

    I'd rather Chris had won, but then Alan isn't really interested in actually hiring an 'apprentice'. He just wants a short-term investment and Stella will provide that.

  • Comment number 11.

    The show has run it's course. It's no longer of any real interest, time to kill it off.

    Look for something else for entertainment, this is no longer of any real interest. Cheap television.

  • Comment number 12.

    Totally disagrre with Alan Sugar and his team.Stella is like a robot, She completely lacks the sportsmen spirit, she was demeaning Chris in her attempt to win in the end and Sugar for all his so called intelligence was taken in by her blonde hair and steely gaze...She is like a puppet..the endless mechanical robotic people u see sitting in the tubes in London with no sensitivity and thought to the crowds milling around..no eye contact..Pathetic of her to bring in her family in the end and saying Chris has no passion..she is soo conniving!
    Chris on the other hand has a spark, he is honest and most importantly sticks up to his friends, does not step on peoples' toes..Alan Sugar had it all rigged..she does not deserve to win -no way

  • Comment number 13.

    Well done to Stella. Yes, the right person won (for a change).

    Please, for next series, can we have some more inventive tasks? Some of these have got simply repetitive - the first one has never changed in several series, for instance, and they dropped the really funny one in favour of selling crisps to Germany?

  • Comment number 14.

    No Chris Bates has the spark and the courage to do some thing different..
    Stella is just a boring,robotic person who says the right things at the right time to the right people..Sugar did not recognize Chris's creativity.Sad really!

  • Comment number 15.

    10. At 11:41pm on 19 Dec 2010, Chief Laughs-at-Trolls wrote:
    MrWonderfulReality, it might help if you have actual experience of watching the show before posting a comment. That way, you could actually write something analytical instead of recycling tiresome politically-warped soundbytes. Just a heads-up for next time, because unfortunately the BBC seems adamant on shoving Have Your Say topics based on trivial reality television down our throats and it's probably best in the future if you have anything resembling knowledge of what you're talking about so that you don't come across as a jealous and narcissistic cynic.

    I'd rather Chris had won, but then Alan isn't really interested in actually hiring an 'apprentice'. He just wants a short-term investment and Stella will provide that.

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    Hey muppet, I did watch some, it was attrocious, I have my own business, I can turn £1.00 into greater value in a month than most can turn £1.00 into within 10 years.

    If you genuinely consider this groups achievements on each task to be anywhere near proficient, then surely you either need to stop taking pills, or even start taking some, as your reality of knowledge on business is lower than the lowest point doing the limbo.
    You seem to have plenty of opinions on Alan Sugar and what he wants/thinks but you have no knowledge or understanding of reality, you live in a non reality world which is why you are so opinionated about something of such minor inane value to anything.

    Its basically an attempt at an entertainment program that uses business tasks as the route to winning, its as sad & low as going into the jungle & eating insects or Laughing-at-Trolls.

  • Comment number 16.

    What's going on here? We have news of the BBC launching a news channel which is not impartial. New train lines being proposed because the population will reach 70m in fortnight. Another African leader refusing to relinquish power and challenging the whole idea of spreading democracy around the world.Billions being wasted by the MOD on ridiculous arms contracts, whilst the papers blame the government for not supplying the money for a few tuppenny APCs. Train lines being run through 200 SSSIs. The entire issue of what should be secret. Birmingham coastguard station as the only one left. Forensic science being privatised. NICE being smashed. French companies ripping off the tax payer. The list is endless.

    And all this pathetic site can do is to raise two questions about bogus TV shows? News is beginning to eat itself. Why don't you do a question about how many apps can go on the new Ipad, or some other entirely news worthy topic. Maybe ask whether rhubarb really is a cure for ingrowing toenails, or ask do we think the Royal Family was involved in organising the Prince Charles car attack.

    If you are short of staff at the weekend I'm sure some of your posters could provide better topics for nothing. Is this topic some kind of wind up?

  • Comment number 17.

    Yes. She was by far the best candidate throughout the whole process.

  • Comment number 18.

    The Apprentice: an entertaining business?

    Did the right person win Strictly Come Dancing?

    Christmas parties: Celebration or chaos?

    What is Larry King's legacy?

    Is Facebook co-founder a worthy winner for person of the year 2010?

    What impact does X Factor have on the music industry?

    What does the BBC offer to the people who fund it?

    I can only answer one of the above questions but I guarantee that the children who act as moderators would not allow it to be posted.

  • Comment number 19.

    16. At 00:16am on 20 Dec 2010, piscator wrote:

    What's going on here? We have news of the BBC launching a news channel which is not impartial. New train lines being proposed because the population will reach 70m in fortnight. Another African leader refusing to relinquish power and challenging the whole idea of spreading democracy around the world.Billions being wasted by the MOD on ridiculous arms contracts, whilst the papers blame the government for not supplying the money for a few tuppenny APCs. Train lines being run through 200 SSSIs. The entire issue of what should be secret. Birmingham coastguard station as the only one left. Forensic science being privatised. NICE being smashed. French companies ripping off the tax payer. The list is endless.

    And all this pathetic site can do is to raise two questions about bogus TV shows? News is beginning to eat itself. Why don't you do a question about how many apps can go on the new Ipad, or some other entirely news worthy topic. Maybe ask whether rhubarb really is a cure for ingrowing toenails, or ask do we think the Royal Family was involved in organising the Prince Charles car attack.

    If you are short of staff at the weekend I'm sure some of your posters could provide better topics for nothing. Is this topic some kind of wind up?

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  • Comment number 20.

    It's about time this sort of garbage was taken off the airwaves.

    BBC - OWNED AND PAID FOR BY THE PUBLIC - not an advert for Alan Sugar's empire

  • Comment number 21.

    As if I care.

  • Comment number 22.

    Ah, another trivial and shallow question for HYSers to pronounce upon!

    Yes the right person won.

    Next question? (Hint make it more profound. HYS will die if these trivia are maintained.)

    How about Should Clegg consume so much taxpayers money for his security rewuirements?

    I suspect it will be more like "Does the UK attract the rightv kind of snow compared with its competitors?"

  • Comment number 23.

    I wouldn't employ any of the contestants. I assume they select the weirdest applicants - there must be some reason for them all being totally useless

  • Comment number 24.

    Of course if we were talking about the high speed train line, can those who live in kent and whose lives were going to be ruined by the channel tunnel link let us know how bad it turned out to be in the end?

  • Comment number 25.

    Sorry the format has now been done to death - I've seen enough thrusting egos to last me a lifetime. Can the BBC not produce anything NEW?

  • Comment number 26.

    I'm sure that she is a nice person and all that .. I wish all the constants that appear on the X factor , ho sorry The Apprentice well etc .
    I can't help wonder what would have happened if Lord Sugar had have been asked to perform like a Circus Clown during a job interview ?

    As for the winner ...Again wish her well but again sorry to say the program "Cut out" many hard working youngsters that are never ever considered for the programme probably because they would be to brutally honest.

    Youngsters who's apprenticeship is actual a real working life . Learning from the mistakes while trying to build up a business from nothing .
    Sadly programme exposes and plays out most that is wrong with the British economy today

  • Comment number 27.

    20. At 00:57am on 20 Dec 2010, Blackpool Seasider wrote:

    It's about time this sort of garbage was taken off the airwaves.

    BBC - OWNED AND PAID FOR BY THE PUBLIC - not an advert for Alan Sugar's empire

    _________________________________________________

    Agreed!

  • Comment number 28.

    Best candidate. Possibly not , I'd have gone for the bloke as I didn't really take to Stella with the "I'm not here to make friends" attitude. I think he was more intelligent and articulate too and thats something you can't learn on the job.

    But this is a TV programme not the real world. I think the candidates are selected to produce a good mix of backgrounds and personalities rather than reflecting a real world analogue of how real-life people in their 20's and doing well in a commercial environment actually behave. These people never strike me as being very bright, and are far better at gilding lilies as to their achievements and bigging themselves up than they are at their tasks and relationships.

    Its fine as entertainment, and at that level it really doesn't matter much who wins. I just hope people watching don't think that it represents some sort of model for how the business world actually works.

  • Comment number 29.

    It is very difficult to answer this without knowing what Sugar was looking for.

    If it was to find someone to do what they are told and no more then he picked the right winner. If it was to find someone with a bit of a brain and willing to take a risk then no.

    Personally I think Sugar shouldnt be surpirsed if he sees Stuart knocking on his door with a business proposal in the next 5 years.

  • Comment number 30.

    Pathetic.

    (and I'll leave you to guess BBC whether that is a comment on the contestant, the program or the standard of topics on HYS)

  • Comment number 31.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 32.

    20. At 00:57am on 20 Dec 2010, Blackpool Seasider wrote:
    It's about time this sort of garbage was taken off the airwaves.

    BBC - OWNED AND PAID FOR BY THE PUBLIC - not an advert for Alan Sugar's empire

    ==========================================

    Absolutely. Perhaps it will give the bashed bankers a break!

  • Comment number 33.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 34.

    The apprentice is just (poor) entertainment and an ego trip for Lord Alan. Dragon's Den is much better for programmes of that ilk, although anyone who was any good as an entrepreneur would be out there doing it already rather than appearing on TV shows.

  • Comment number 35.

    This topic has been done to death. As a "world class news service" would we not be better discussing why and how our ruling elite are beyond the law?
    It might just be relevant.

  • Comment number 36.

    She comes across as a real cold fish. I wouldn't want to work with/under her. Even her smile looks false

  • Comment number 37.

    Dontbelievethepapers, comment 6, you think this is essential viewing for young british business 'talent', I fail to see that arrogance, ignorance and a lack of manners has anything to do with successful business. I suspect like many recent graduates who are working in middle management the CV's of The Apprentice candidates are a work of fiction. It does not do to lie, cheat and bully your way around as the candidates seem to think, its a nonsense, as is holding this programme up as a way to behave and get ahead. The exception was probabaly the last three all the rest were hot air, a very poor example of how to behave, anywhere, and unemployeable.

  • Comment number 38.

    BBC, I think you have a technical fault. It says 'News' at the top of this page but somehow I've ended up on a page which just hosts discussions on lightweight TV trivia. Where's the page where people can actually discuss matters of importance in the news?

    Oh. You don't have one any more.....?

  • Comment number 39.

    This programme is losing it's initial credibility the longer it goes on. Lord Sugar was I believe to become an adviser to help re-develop British Industry - When !!!

    The obvious talents and Expertises that Lord Sugar has access to, would be far better applied as advisers to get the country back to work, not gaining revenue from a programme of this type.

    If the winner is a mother supporting a family then take great care, or the quicksand may swallow you up for good.

  • Comment number 40.

    Don't get why people are moaning at the BBC. You think TV here is bad, go watch a Brazilian soap opera or an Italian game show. Truly then you will know visual torture. Only area that has the BBC beat are things such as American dramas like 'The Pacific'. I'm not even British, but you guys have the best television by far. Just as long as you nuke X Factor and Big Brother (which is now thankfully a post-apocalyptic wasteland already).

    Like anyone watches the Apprentice believing it is a real representation, people watch it to facepalm. Only candidates that were anywhere within reality were Liz and Stella. And I give my blessings to the glorious crusade of justice against the evil, tyrannical BBC. Keep us posted in this struggle for freedom to post your comments which are posted anyway but when one isn't it's obviously the work of some dictatorial moderator who is standing outside your window watching you undress and sending the information to the government.

  • Comment number 41.

    Ah yes, Alan Sugar. The man who single handedly dismantled much of the UK home computer industry and reduced his company to making black boxes for the Murdoch empire.
    Why would anyone want to get his approval? I fail to see why people seem to hold him in such high regard.

  • Comment number 42.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 43.

    It was rubbish when it first started and nothing has changed.

  • Comment number 44.

    ruffled_feathers wrote:

    Are the BBC trying to drive away those of us who want a debate about current affairs?

    ####

    No, just also cater for people who can see and enjoy the lighter side of life.

    • BBC News Channel - 4 million
    • Apprentice 2010 - 8 million.

    There is nothing in the title "BBC News" that says it is only politics or war or anything deadly serious.

    OED for "News, n"

    Tidings; the report or account of recent events or occurrences, brought or coming to one as new information; new occurrences as a subject of report or talk.

  • Comment number 45.

    Stop this nonsense and get to debates on the news

  • Comment number 46.

    You know this programme has now become a joke!!
    The BBC is now so desperate to fill it's sorry looking schedules that we have to suffer 2 HOURS no less (!) of this junk yesterday evening.
    I did not watch it, as I have not watched most of this series - we've seen all these useless people too many times before! It's just BORING now.
    What I would say about this programme is that the contestants are so ordinary and lightweight that you would almost have to say that you're not surprised that these people are out of work!
    These are also the products of Britain's failing education system and Sugar is no better - the City has never regarded him as any kind of "heavyweight" - he's basically a "spiv".
    I really hope this programme is now finished!
    The BBC should do better!

  • Comment number 47.

    lets try again shall we?

    And another attempt by the left-leaning BBC to divert attention from the whole "Labour Ruined the Economy" thing, how about calling this "Have Your Say, but not about That"

    As a regular viewer, the right person won The Apprentice, which isn't surprising considering who she was up against, he's on the news now and I'm going back to sleep already.

    Anyway, give it 20 years and Stuart Baggs will be our new Prime Minister - he's the new Gordon Brown, if you know what I mean

  • Comment number 48.

    Come on BBC - I think you must have exhausted the dumb irrelevant topics by now! Can the public assume the HYS team have been replaced by a group of apprentices? Banality and trivia fill the pages of HYS - what can this all mean? And where will it all end?

    I thought the BBC Charter clearly states the role of the BBC is to provide an unbiased, objective reporting of the news and empower the citizen to voice their opinions - I thought the BBC were champions of freedom of speech - But alas I must be wrong - 'Reactions to the Weather' on the Have YOUR Say forum - but it is not 'your say' at all - its the establishments say. Is that the future folks? Are we to be told what public opinion is dictated by The Minister of Truth and BBC voice of propaganda? Can we have our own opinions displayed on a 'public forum' for others to view?

    And as for the corporations adventures into egotistical nihilism and self abasement, it is nonsensical - The Lord of Alice in Wonderland whim-worship - a spectrum of 'Delboy' characters, glorifying the kind of 'business' that verges on the wrong side of any moral line...creating entertainment where anything is justified to achieve the ends - all merely reduced to a 'profit' making tasks - with an underlying philosophy of 'anything goes' if you can get away with it! Business as entertainment for the masses? No - maybe some kind of propaganda to justify the morally questionable.

    Anyhow, surely the BBC is engaged in a conflict of interests, as Alan Sugar makes much of his business by supplying SKY boxes?

  • Comment number 49.

    A case study on British managerial incompetence. Most of the candidates had managerial jobs yet behave so poorly one would have to avoid the companies they work for.

    A great window on UK management skills for the next generation. A bunch of hopeless, bitchy, incompetents who lack the ability to work as a team to resolve a problem. Expect to see several coming to a political party soon!!

  • Comment number 50.

    Good entertaining fluff - a nice change from the usual doon and gloom.
    Pity Liz didnt make the last three, for some strange reason I find her highly-watchable...

  • Comment number 51.

    15 - "I have my own business, I can turn £1.00 into greater value in a month than most can turn £1.00 into within 10 years."

    Careful, that could come across as the sort of puffed-up arrogance that could get you on the show.

    Perhaps a change of name on here? "MrWonderfulreality - The Brand"

  • Comment number 52.

    Just taken delivery of the boxed set of "I Claudius".

    From the 'old days', when the BBC made proper programmes.

    Still, I suppose reality TV is so much......what's the word I'm looking for?.......ah, yes, reality TV is so much cheaper.

    Well done BBC, from making some of the greatest TV, to making some of the cheapest.

  • Comment number 53.

    I have to strongly agree with the criticism about the number of trivial TV and showbusiness related threads that are proliferating on HYS in favour of more challenging political and current affairs topics . Surely the Apprentice and Strictly Come Dancing belong on the Points of View notice board. I am very concerned about the seeming reluctance of the powers that be who manage this message board to let HYS users engage in more serious debate at the moment.

  • Comment number 54.

    I think that Larry King won Strictly Come Prancing. Oh dear, is this about an apprentice? I think I'm getting far too old and crabby to sort out all these shows-to-a-format lark. I'm all in favour of more apprenticeships, especially in plumbing and carpentry. Have I got the question wrong again? Yes, I know that I " could do better". Never mind.

  • Comment number 55.

    49. At 08:46am on 20 Dec 2010, DibbySpot wrote:

    A case study on British managerial incompetence. Most of the candidates had managerial jobs yet behave so poorly one would have to avoid the companies they work for.

    A great window on UK management skills for the next generation. A bunch of hopeless, bitchy, incompetents who lack the ability to work as a team to resolve a problem. Expect to see several coming to a political party soon!!

    -----

    Yes I completely agree that 10 or so people are representative of millions. That is fantastic reasoning, sheer brilliance.

  • Comment number 56.

    @MrwonderfulReality, I would suggest you get off that high horse or step down out of your ivory tower, as having a piece of paper to say you can run a business is completely different to running one.

    In the majority of cases in the people that built the business empires dont have any qualifications in business, I know Lord Sugar doesnt, Richard Branson doesnt, Philip Green doesnt, and neither do many more.

  • Comment number 57.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 58.

    Alan Sugar is hardly an advert for British industry.
    If you look at his corporate performance or talk to any decent City Analyst they will tell you that he is not that highly rated.
    He's basically a spiv and a speculator running companies on limited "fundamentals" and as a fund manager you would have lost money investing in Sugar and his ailing companies.
    Another problem people may have overlooked is that most of the winners of this (now tedious) 'entertainment' have left Sugar - most quite quickly.
    That's not surprising when you look at his track record - it's much worse than he makes out!

  • Comment number 59.

    cant say anything

  • Comment number 60.

    and the pretty blonde wins.... hmmm

  • Comment number 61.

    Did the right applicant win? Of course. In our society, such as it is, the most beautiful always wins.
    Was the series about business or entertainment? Entertainment, what else?
    If you run a business, would you hire either of the two finalists? No, of course not, I need mature, sensible and experienced people.

  • Comment number 62.

    I think the right person did get the job. This country has to recover from the massive debts created by the previous Labour Government and Alan Sugar needs the right kind of team to solve our economic problems and lead the way to future prosperity.

    I have been getting rather worried with recent HYS topics and not finding it esy to get my required postings in which support the coalition agenda. Thank you BBC for making this possible.

  • Comment number 63.

    perhaps bbc should tackle the government for failing to give financial support to most services instead of highlighting the win or loose tactical employment method introduced by Lord Sugar,a minor affair compared to the thousands of employees struggling to get to work in snow bound britain and especially for people stranded in airports.It is time for air lines to wake up,especially B A and challenge the government on lost hours ,lost money lost connections,extremely poor facilities to clear snow and ice from airport flight paths on and off the ground,but for the skills of pilots accidents have been avoided.
    B A should sue the government for all losses which might just might alter the direction of the house of lords support to a government not worthy of support.

  • Comment number 64.

    Don't know, not interested another BBC flagship programme I find embarrasing, like the subjects so carefully chosen by the BBC for prols to discuss. Some progress they are not celebs' suppose. Nothing can be successful without Celebs.
    Come on now where is it " What was Brian Hanaran's legacy to Journalism"? no sorry not a foreigner.

  • Comment number 65.

    61. At 09:14am on 20 Dec 2010, Pepper Quill wrote:
    Did the right applicant win? Of course. In our society, such as it is, the most beautiful always wins.
    Was the series about business or entertainment? Entertainment, what else?
    If you run a business, would you hire either of the two finalists? No, of course not, I need mature, sensible and experienced people.
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    She wasnt the most beautiful.
    She was mature, sensible and experienced.

  • Comment number 66.

    There is an editor's article elsewhere dealing with a complaint against the BBC which was closed after it ran out of control. I happened to watch the item which was heavily criticised and read the pathetic defence by the BBC which followed. I am offended by the closure of the item because claims were made by the BBC of an "internet campaign".

    There are two HYS items on BBC programmes I never watch, although they comprise a large amount of my license fee offering as BBC prime time offerings. Are these BBC style "internet campaigns" to suggest these programmes are more significant than they really are? And as both have apparently failed (unlike the closed editor's item) have you the decency to close them now and put up something of interest and point?

  • Comment number 67.

    If I was Alan Sugar, I'd pick the candidate most willing to bend over backwards for me.

  • Comment number 68.

    L Sugar lost the plot. Stella was NOT the right candidate, obviously she had done a lot coming from a broken family and being affected by drugs issues. She was very clever and never show her real personality, there is something she hides, she wanted to strive because surely she has been rejected many times in high profile jobs and wanted to show people they were wrong. Chris was clever and younger... by the way... is it true that Stella is married to a ex-criminal?

  • Comment number 69.

    Won't she now have to change her name, saying "English" is racist isn't it?

  • Comment number 70.

    Who cares? It's a stupid mindless programme that promotes nasty television - about time it was culled along with all the other BBC drivel - what are we paying a licence fee for?

  • Comment number 71.

    "Hey muppet, I did watch some, it was attrocious, I have my own business, I can turn £1.00 into greater value in a month than most can turn £1.00 into within 10 years."

    You sound just like the kind of braggart who goes on The Apprentice :P

  • Comment number 72.

    Can we have the following topic up for debate :

    BBC Have Your Say : Are the Topics being dumbed down ?

  • Comment number 73.

    Yes, Stella has the right attitude to doing well in the cut throat world of business; where there are way too few women in control. She is cool and organised, with good ideas; but able to sort out stupid so called men. If more ladies like her were in control of business world wide, things would be way better. As a reality show, The Apprentcice is about the best. To get on it is an achievement. We see there is a wealth of talent in this country that needs one thing: a chance to do well.

  • Comment number 74.

    I know what is happening here! The BBC are engaged in attempting to cheer-up the poor down trodden British Public. Lets ignore all the serious issues and the chaos engulfing the nation and focus on the trivial!

    Obviously, the outcome of 'reality TV' shows represents an excellent distraction and so long as we all 'think' about these media entertainment issues everything will be find.

    I think the 'best' person wins every time, and it cheers us all up to witness such success, especially on such competitions as The Apprentice etc etc.

    Keep up the good work BBC - we all need cheering-up - as apparently the population of the UK is completely miserable these days;

    As the Independent confirms;

    "A Third of Britons think 2010 has been one of worst years in their lives according to an annual survey of the nation’s happiness."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8212543/Third-of-Britons-think-2010-has-been-one-of-worst-years-in-their-lives.html

    So at least the HYS 'committee' are doing a fine job keeping us all happy!

    Thanks BBC ;-)

  • Comment number 75.

    27. At 02:53am on 20 Dec 2010, Joe wrote:

    20. At 00:57am on 20 Dec 2010, Blackpool Seasider wrote:

    It's about time this sort of garbage was taken off the airwaves.

    BBC - OWNED AND PAID FOR BY THE PUBLIC - not an advert for Alan Sugar's empire

    _________________________________________________

    Agreed!


    If The Apprentice is an advert for Alan Sugar's empire then he should be very worried.

  • Comment number 76.

    44. At 08:39am on 20 Dec 2010, Hastings wrote:
    ruffled_feathers wrote:

    Are the BBC trying to drive away those of us who want a debate about current affairs?

    ####

    No, just also cater for people who can see and enjoy the lighter side of life.

    • BBC News Channel - 4 million
    • Apprentice 2010 - 8 million.

    There is nothing in the title "BBC News" that says it is only politics or war or anything deadly serious.

    OED for "News, n"

    Tidings; the report or account of recent events or occurrences, brought or coming to one as new information; new occurrences as a subject of report or talk.

    ===========================================

    That is correct, but there are serious issues around as well, and some of us would like the chance to discuss them - as we used to do on HYS. Generally news is about real life, not programmes which are set up.

    There is no reason at all why more serious topics cannot be on here as well.

    Regardless of the figures for watching programmes, you only need to look at the number of posts for this particular topic, that for Strictly Come Dancing, and then at health targets or should drugs be legalised.

    The majority on HYS are not being catered for.



  • Comment number 77.

    No doubt the BBC total the responses on HYS and the viewers activity here count these subjects a success. Perhaps attempts to get the BBC onto something like a balanced approach might be better served if we all do what I do with the TV. I press the button to switch service.
    Trouble is divide & rule always works.

  • Comment number 78.

    Definitely the best candidate, even though she didn't have the put on prince of the realm accent. The rest of the candidates were chancers who would have been excellent in a double glazing call centre.

  • Comment number 79.

    35. At 06:50am on 20 Dec 2010, chrislabiff wrote:

    This topic has been done to death. As a "world class news service" would we not be better discussing why and how our ruling elite are beyond the law?
    It might just be relevant.


    David Chaytor and Phil Woolas may disagree with you there.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/exmp-david-chaytor-admits-expenses-fraud-2150355.html

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/phil-woolas-crushed-after-losing-legal-battle-2150349.html

    Elliot Morley and Jim Devine will be next.

  • Comment number 80.

    38. At 07:56am on 20 Dec 2010, colonelblimp wrote:

    BBC, I think you have a technical fault. It says 'News' at the top of this page but somehow I've ended up on a page which just hosts discussions on lightweight TV trivia. Where's the page where people can actually discuss matters of importance in the news?

    Oh. You don't have one any more.....?


    Yet the biggest selling "newspapers" in the UK are The Sun and the News of the World!

  • Comment number 81.

    Is HYS determined to dumb down ? The "right" contestant winning a dancing competition or the Apprentice is hardly of mind-blowing importance - the judges have spoken - the competitions are over - the viewers have had their say already- how will what is esentially the same question as it was throughout the competitions be resolved - this could go on for ever ! I can only assume that the BBC is trying to wring every last drop of viewer participation - get over it BBC!
    If HYS is going to continue with insubstantial, trite and inconsequential subjects when there are so many stories of real interest out there it makes me wonder just how long the current contributors will persevere - perhaps the BBC is actually - deliberately - trying to change the whole ethos of the site and cater to a mass audience of sycophants and children.

  • Comment number 82.

    My wife and I watch this show and the only thing which really stands out is the incompetence of the candidates to perform the most simplest of tasks, then there are the morals of the contestants, when were lies and dishonest practices conducive to successful business, you may be able to con your way past an astute businessman once but you don't get a second chance, if this is the calibre of applicant big business expects at interview then its little wonder this country is sinking to third world levels and recovery will not be on the cards for a very long time

  • Comment number 83.

    69. At 09:33am on 20 Dec 2010, littletenter wrote:

    Won't she now have to change her name, saying "English" is racist isn't it?

    -----

    I guess you read the Daily Mail.

  • Comment number 84.

    Welcome to BBC News Have Your Say!
    Please leave your brain at the door.

    There's an entire site for BBC Television (Points Of View)
    See how quick the moderators pounce on you if you talk about news on there.
    Can we keep it consistant please Beeb?

  • Comment number 85.

    Love the Apprentice and I’m glad Stella won, As well as doing well in the series she also wanted the actual job more than anyone.

    I think Chris must have been kidding himself if he really wanted to move to Hertfordshire and work in a business park at 24. You’d have thought he would get restless and leave before too long.

    The positives of the apprentice are that the really awful ones generally get exposed but I agree it can be misleading about business, particularly the interview episode. Rudeness is never required and I think some of the interviewers were in this territory.

  • Comment number 86.

    I, for one, could not care less who "won. However, from the few editions I did watch I was appaled at the the "ethics" of the candidates. Shallow,arrogant,unprincipled,unpolicied and grasping is but a few of their "qualities". Typical in fact of British "Business Leaders" small wonder this country is failing.Indeed the whole "show" seems to encourage all that is base in human insticts. just the kind of "qualities" so admired by Tories

  • Comment number 87.

    83. At 10:03am on 20 Dec 2010, Miss Ann Thrope wrote:
    69. At 09:33am on 20 Dec 2010, littletenter wrote:

    Won't she now have to change her name, saying "English" is racist isn't it?

    -----

    I guess you read the Daily Mail.

    ===================================================
    Don't be silly, glad to see you have a sense of humour too.... like the BBC

  • Comment number 88.

    51. At 08:48am on 20 Dec 2010, AndyC555 wrote:

    15 - "I have my own business, I can turn £1.00 into greater value in a month than most can turn £1.00 into within 10 years."

    ---------------------------------------------

    And you think that is a good party trick? It's nothing. The Labour Party can make billions of one pounds disapear completely in no time at all then magic up billions more with nothing other than a few printing presses ;-)

    'The Apprentice'. What can one say? About the truest thing would be the observation made by betahail at 47 that Stuart Baggs 'The Brand' is the new Gordon Brown.

  • Comment number 89.

    Who really cares? This show has nothing to do with good business and everything to do with bad acting. Most of the contestants wouldn't get into the average graduate entry programme as their egos, selfishness, CV untruths, hysterics and sheer bad ideas would derail them. The only thing all of them are good at is talking themselves up beyond any demonstrated reason. And they have a host they deserve. Sugar is also what many of them are - brash, publicity seeking and blindly opinionated. Yes he has been successful, not as successful as we are all led to believe, and he is hardly a guru of business. Neither is Karen Brady. Want to know the people who are good at business? You have to search them out because that's what they focus on...business. Not themselves. Stella and Chris were about the only candidates who remotely deserved to be considered on this basis and even then both got a bit poisonous at the end. Overall Stella was the more mature and disciplined but not necessarily the best. It was like comparing a potential HR professional (Stella) to a potential marketing professional (Chris). In the end Sugar was swayed by Karen Brady and by Stellas 'East End roots'. Good luck to her though.

  • Comment number 90.

    5. At 11:17pm on 19 Dec 2010, ruffled_feathers wrote:
    Can Julian Assange's supporters not hack into HYS and change the topic from The Apprentice?
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Whilst I agree that the subject matter of HYS is somewhat dull of late and there does indeed seem to be this continued side step of more important issues, do we really need to discuss this Assange fellow much further.

    And unless I am a little out of step with the meaning of hypocritical irony - isn't amusing that the laywers for this Assange fellow are up in arms over the leaking of court papers from Sweden on the issue of rape charges against him, when this leaking of information is what he has done to the US.

    Pot calling the kettle black it sounds like.

  • Comment number 91.

    Let`s be real about this.
    It is nothing but another low-grade TV production = cheap TV.
    The sooner this and other reality TV programmes are sent to the rubbish bin the sooner TV might get it`s respectability back.
    It is nothing but a.............................CIRCUS!

  • Comment number 92.

    Its entertaining. It highlights the very worst of people. I have to say I dip in and out of the show but every series am left thinking that these people are terrible and I would not employ any of them. I see them all the time in the 'real' world. They are called graduate trainees on graduate training schemes.

  • Comment number 93.

    I can't believe the negativity coming out of the previous 80-odd posts. If you don't have anything meaningful to say, then don't say anything.
    Not every forum should deal with the depressing reality that is the world outside. Should the BBC apologise for having a forum that doesn't allow the Daily Mail readers of the world to vent their right-wing "it's political correctness gone mad" vitriolic rants? I think not. Most of the people posting to this topic haven't even bothered to watch one episode of the programme, therefore their input is entirely worthless. Go and rant about the weather. Heathrow is closed, the trains are in chaos and the roads are all frozen. Surely there's someone to blame for all this? (probably Gordon Brown and the previous Labour government! - lol)
    The show is what it is. Anyone who believes that the people selected are the best of British business are more stupid than I thought. The contestants are chosen for entertainment value, and form a mixed bag of the type of person you're likely to meet in any branch of business. If any one of them were really that good, they would not need to be an apprentice, would they? The REAL best of British are in PROPER JOBS ALREADY.
    "Hi Sir Alan, I've made a billion pounds in bonuses through short-selling and crippling the UK economy, I really need a job paying a paltry £100k p.a." ...wouldn't quite be the same, would it?
    As for all the people who are better than the candidates ("I can do this that or the other") - why are you on this forum, don't you have a busienss to run? Are you really just unemployed with nothing else to do, or retired and dreaming of what might have been? If you're so great, either apply for the next series or get back to running your business.
    The candidate who should have won was Liz - not only was she clever and able to deliver a pitch, she set the all-time record for sales and was pretty good to look at also (not that it matters, but it's a bonus). More to the point, she wasn't a back-stabbing crawler. She was one of the best candidates the programme has ever seen. That smarmy little git Stewart somehow lied his way through and Alan Sugar kept him on purely for entertainment value (he's the pantomime baddie that we're all meant to boo and hiss at). If Alan Sugar gave a damn about the winner, he wouldn't have took Stella. Two weeks ago he was ripping into her, then he ends up hiring her. The best of a bad bunch IMO (once Liz was booted, at least).
    Must dash, as I do actually have a job to do rather than complaining about a TV series that I've never actually watched...

  • Comment number 94.

    I can hear the death-knell ringing for HYS. X-Factor, Yank broadcaster, Strictly and Apprentice, all in the past week or so!!
    When the current crop of Moderators go back to school in January, can you please bring in Moderators who would like to stimulate some lively debate with more interesting topics. There is so much going on in the world, and so little of it on HYS!!
    I will give it 1 more month then I am unsubscribing. My wife unsubscribed last month, but her tolerance level for garbage is far weaker than mine.

  • Comment number 95.

    I am usually very critical of the BBC's attitude to moderation on HYS, and believe that selection and reporting of of news items lacks balance.

    But having said this if the BBC wants to cover topics of popular entertainment this gives me no problems at all. I do, however, despair at the comments from some of the regulars who are complaining that the topics are not intellectually high enough for them. Since when has HYS ever contained a large proportion of intellectual comments? Most debates on serious topics consist of pro and anti government rants, most of them appearing to be stage managed by the respective political parties. And even worse very few actually respond to points raised in a logical manner, usually resorting to crude ad hominem arguements consisting of expressions like: 'you must be stupid, which planet are you on? wake up and smell the coffee, get a life, utterly ridiculous, and on and on. Producing this kind of so-called intellectual discussion must be very tedious for the BBC, especially when there are strict political guidelines on moderation to boot.

    So maybe the composition of Sugar's team, King's contribution to whatver, and strictly come dancing, is what we ALL deserve.
    Happy Christmas to one and all.
    Faci n ifemoyar

  • Comment number 96.

    On the basis that there seem no depths to which the BBC won't sink, might I suggest "Strictly Pole Dancing"?

    I am quite prepared to be one of the judges.

  • Comment number 97.

    Pointless, tabloid TV!

  • Comment number 98.

    "In the majority of cases in the people that built the business empires dont have any qualifications in business, I know Lord Sugar doesnt, Richard Branson doesnt, Philip Green doesnt, and neither do many more. "

    It shows, doesn't it? Sugar's failings and his dependence on one customer - Sky - have been referred to already. My personal experiences with various arms of Branson's empire suggest that "quality" and "service" are not words he understands or wants any truck with. What is it again that Philip Green does? Can't say he has made any impact on me...........

    I strongly suspect that these people are "successful", for which read excessively rich, not because of great business aptitude, but ruthless disregard for anyone but themselves. The employees and the customers count for nothing. Oh yes, I bet some of the wealth comes from handy offshore tax havens, too - I mean, why pay taxes in the country which has enabled you to be so "successful" in the first place?

    But of course someone who knows these individuals better than I do may have other ideas.

  • Comment number 99.

    I find some of the comments on most HYS appalling. The number of entries that try to trash the BBC. It is acknowledged that ours is probably one the most respected broadcasters in the world in terms of content and accuracy. Yet there are entries on here that for their own politically motivated vengeance attack and attack. They know who they are so I won't fall into any traps by stating their leanings. If you want to have a broadcaster who represents the way you view the world then find one that meets your own jaundiced myopic utopia. If you want to attack and question the BBC then come up with a resourced well reasoned out premise. No corporation is so stupid that it does not acknowledge that it could have problems. Knocks and brickbats are what shape a corporate viewpoint. After all knapping a flint can bring a useful tool but bashing it senselessly destroys it.

  • Comment number 100.

    "73. At 09:41am on 20 Dec 2010, Antony Forst wrote:

    Yes, Stella has the right attitude to doing well in the cut throat world of business; where there are way too few women in control. She is cool and organised, with good ideas; but able to sort out stupid so called men. If more ladies like her were in control of business world wide, things would be way better."

    Wrong, completely wrong. Business (and politics and anything else) does not suffer from having "way too few women in control." It suffers from having way too many of the wrong people, regardless of gender, in control. Once you appoint people to posts because of their gender, or race, or religion, you have lost the plot. We need the best, not the ones who tick the PC boxes.

    I do not watch this programme and know nothing of the woman in question. I have, however, worked for bosses of both sexes. There is little to choose - most are promoted to a level of incompetence - but I prefer a man any time. Women, in my personal experience, do NOT make the best bosses or the most efficient management. This is more than ever the case in recent times, because so many of them have their "issues", busily proving that "women can succeed in a man's world" or that "women can do anyting better than men."

    I thought this sort of sexism was now frowned upon. We actually need capable, competent people running things, not quotas to appease the strident PC brigade.

 

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