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Is the coalition working?

09:32 UK time, Thursday, 23 December 2010

Undercover reporters for the Daily Telegraph have revealed further tensions between Liberal Democrat members of the coalition and their Conservative colleagues in government. Is the coalition still viable?

In the latest transcipts by the Daily Telegraph, Transport Minister Norman Baker and Deputy Leader of the House and David Heath say they voted in favour of tuition fees even though they opposed the policy and Mr Heath also suggested Chancellor George Osborne was out of touch with ordinary people.

Earlier this week, the prime minister David Cameron was forced to hit back at claims by Labour leader Ed Miliband that secretly taped comments by Vince Cable showed the coalition government was a "sham".

How do you think the coalition is working? Are journalists justified in using undercover methods to get a story? Have the recent revelations done the coalition harm?

This debate is now closed. Thank you for your comments.

Comments

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  • Comment number 1.

    so the telegraph discovered that lib Dem members can think for themselves and don't just follow the Tories hand in hand?

    this is worth front page news and to be reported on for days?
    could it be the media are trying to control and manipulate the country as always?

    also im pretty sick of the media and these undercover reporters i mean we have only a few lines of what was probably an hour long conversation.
    so what is Vince declared war on Murdoch its about time somebody did but the Tories want him to buy BskyB well done telegraph in trying to discredit the lib dems you just gave the Tories what they wanted.
    Vince should not be sorry for saying his opinion we do that ourselves everyday!

    storm in a teacup?

  • Comment number 2.

    It's too early to judge them, they've not been there long enough yet. There were always going to be teething troubles this is just a storm in a tea cup. Some tough decisions have to be made and not everyone is going to be pleased with them. I bet thats no different to a single party government, did everyone in the New Labour Party always agree with what Tony Blair said and did (let alone Gordon Brown!), I seriously doubt it!

  • Comment number 3.

    I feel sorry for David Cameron, he should be in power on his own. I dont see how 2 political partys can work together when they both quite clearly have different policys. And all the Lib Dem voters who are now moaning. You didnt actaully beleive that lib dems would get a majority anyway so in a way your lucky that at least they are able to have a say. What worrys me is that should a general election be called that the lib dem voters will now vote Labour, it fills be with dread Labour getting power again. We will never get out of debt !

  • Comment number 4.

    This is a 'con' by the lib-dems to get us thinkinking they are different fron the conservatives.

  • Comment number 5.

    Another NON NEWS story.

    The BBC + others seem amazed that politcians don't all have the same views and argue with each other.

    BBC, if your journalists are so inane - which I believe given the bland mediocre "stuff" being "reported" - then I suggest you employ some new staff with some common sense.

    No the establishment roles on in it's own agenda of keeping the status quo.

    How about some articles on the real news of the rich taking money out of the country in the billions and not paying any tax while the poor and middle incomes pay ever more and more.

    BBC and most of the media are quite frankly not worth even looking at.

  • Comment number 6.

    I wait with baited breath for the Torrygraph sting operations against Conservative MP's

    Why hasn't this happened?

    Is it because you can't get a straight answer out of a Tory in private or public?

    Or because the Torrygraph is working to it's own agenda to undermine the Coalition in the vain hope that we will then have a "pure" true blue Tory administration.

    For the record I can't say I disagree with anything the Lib Dem ministers have said and in that I expect I am joined by 70% of the voting population.

    As it is evident that the Lib Dems and Conservatives have very few shared aspirations or values it is time to bring this sham to an end and expose it as the unelected Tory administration it so clearly is.

  • Comment number 7.

    I don't agree on everything with my bosses and colleagues. But we get on with the job. It happens in all walks of life I would say.

    But hey making something out of nothing is what 'journalists' do nowadays - mind you the public seem to go along with it in many cases.

    The bit that annoys me is the apologies for having their own thoughts.

  • Comment number 8.

    There seems to be more than just naivety within the Liberal Democrat section of the Coalition. It seems the Tories, and their supporters within HYS, are also incredibly naive. Several Lib Dems have now said they are playing Tories off against each other, and the reverse must be true as well. The Tories and Lib Dems are all in-fighting as well.

    In other words neither the Government nor the Cabinet are strong, are unified, are meaningful, are trustworthy, are stable. Or, put another way, the UK is in the charge of a small bunch of people lying to each other through their teeth and has a Chancellor who is "beyond the pale" and that is the reverse of what cabinet government is supposed to provide (usually against in-fighting on its own benches).

    Is that really the way to run a country that is still on the brink of a Great Depression? Is that really better than Chancellor Brown who was lauded by his own, the Tories and the Lib Dems alike until the wheels fell off the Global Economy Express train, with an "in the know, would I lie to you" Blair exiting stage right just before the scene where the out of control locomotive jumps the red lights, the platform, the station precinct, and the entire city behind it? Some storyboard and a pity politicians keep re-reading their own press plaudits rather than the small print in the earnest stop the press reports.

    It is going to happen all over again too. This time the locomotive is apparently lighter, less powerful and has two engineers, but these Coaltion drivers are blind to the fact the track gradient is downhill and steepening, and the signals, platforms, precincts, are not even partially rebuilt. And the cities beyond have used the same poor reconstruction material as before and the devastation is predicted to be four may be five times as heavy.

    It is what you get when you stick a bunch of power crazed lunatics in charge of serious business. I thought the Olympic stadium episode was abyssmally crass and embarrassing, a taster of what is to follow if we, the people, do not grab control back from the idiots in 2011.

    Actually, optimistically, I think they will all decide to commit political suicide sometime quite soon. I understand Mr Murdoch has already negotiated a venue, has exclusive media rights and is busy selling seats even as I type this. Nice to know the fickle rich never take their work that seriously.

  • Comment number 9.

    What a strange question. Of course it is. So some so called journalists want to play games and try and split the ranks. The splits were always there and here are two parties who are doing their best to live with their differences and find an acceptable course. What would be the alternative? Either a minority government which would not last long, or what some extremists from all parties would like a majority party with a minority of votes. The reality is that old hat politicians and their supporters are scared stiff that a coalition should work, in case the country votes for an alternative voting system. It is disappointing that the BBC wants to play up this daft news against the wishes of the many sensible people who just want the coaltion to put the country back on its feet.

  • Comment number 10.

    If the right wing media are against it then the coalition government must be working.

  • Comment number 11.

    I am sure it will work well - if the media decide that its going to.

    If however, our highly damaging media gets bored one day, then they will wreck it.

    I remember when the coalition was announced, the BBC's own John Piennar on Radio 5 gleefully announcing that he would be looking to exploit any cracks in it.

    I have not voted for them, but I would rather that government was done and not heard at the moment and I also wish that all those 'meeja johnnies' would leave them alone and go find something else to play with.

  • Comment number 12.

    I think the majority of the people in the UK are grown up enough to understand that their are differences in any group of people and this coalition government is no different.
    The last 'government' always told the lie that they were in accord when all their recent biographies tell us the complete opposite, that in fact they hated each other. Typical Labour hypocracy.
    Their are forces both on the right and left who want to see the governemnt torn apart, but I think they also can see through this attempt and will now learn a lesson, you cannot trust the media.
    I hope the remain forcused on sorting out this mess the hypocritical incompetents called Labour have left OUR country in.

  • Comment number 13.

    ConDem'd to death. They're proving to be as ineffectual, self-serving and rediculous as every single parliament I have known in my lifetime. I have no doubt Labour will relish this episode only to repeat it in a few years time when the Conservatives and Lib-Dems will have the same enjoyment.

    They all make me sick to the stomach.

  • Comment number 14.

    I do hope the brave and honest lib-dems (not clegg and alexander) will continue to have their remarks leaked out to us all. Please lets have more of this, show us poor fools that voted lib-dem we didn't waste our votes. Show us you have souls and haven't sold out to the tory machine for power and personal gratification. If ever the vulnerable people at the sharp end of the tory well-heeled boot needed you it's now, show your true liberal colours and many people will return to the fold.........Remember FAIRNESS what that really meant before you were taken over by those out of touch bunch of toffs...........

  • Comment number 15.

    It's an arranged mariage and we all know that never works unless there is opression from the dominant partner, that is what is happening now.
    The lib dems will put up with the bullying and beating's because it is better than the political wilderness with which they are already very familiar, it is common knowledge that these failures will do anything for a sniff of recognition and power.
    A very short term policy wich will put them back decades.

  • Comment number 16.

    The coalition was always only going to be short term and the cracks are now beginning to show.

    Just because Dave & Nick are best mates it doesn't mean everybody else will be.

    As for the journalists' behaviour surely its no worse than the lies and unethical decisions being made in Westminster.

    Pot calling kettle comes to mind........

  • Comment number 17.

    Posts 1 & 2 above, say it all for me.

    Now an old non-story, non-event !
    The Daily Telegraph's dubious methods should now be the headline !
    An MP should be allowed to have private conversations with what they believe to be genuine constituents, without fear of leaks or disclosure.
    The only thing that the Daily Telegraph have done here is, irreparable damage for a Voting Memeber of the public to have such honest and frank discussions with their elected MP !
    Well done Daily Telegraph, another blow for democracy !
    You are now true "Rag" but, in the literal sense of the word !

  • Comment number 18.

    Why is it so many people are against the coalition?
    Is it because very few can remember a government like this?
    Is it because they got so used to being given everything for free by the last catastrophy government, they can't face having to provide for themselves?
    Are Labour against it because they are slowly realising that the current financial mess is their fault and that no-one wants to play with them?
    I know the good old British tradition is to shoot something down before it's had a chance, but give it a rest.
    Vince Cable made a mistake and got caught out. At least he didn't hit a member of the public or get caught with his hand in the till. He should have kept quiet and blocked the BSkyB deal.
    If the coalition fails, Britain is finished. The only way we will get any help is from the IMF and the deal will be as bad (if not worse) as Ireland and Greece.
    Wise up people, we are broke.

  • Comment number 19.

    This will increase support for the LibDems. They have been too readily portrayed as Cameron's lap dogs but no we know they have minds of their own, engage in robust debate and fight hard to restore the balance towards fairness.

    So this is on balance good news.

  • Comment number 20.

    It's all a bit puzzling to me. So the news is "A lib dem sounds like a lib dem and not a Tory"
    I'm actually relieved to see that Cable still has some scruples and the good sense to stand up to Murdoch. Maybe he could have been a bit more careful to follow the coalition line, but who knows, maybe he wanted it to get out that he's not a Tory puppet after all.
    The only bad side of this whole affair, to me, is that Jeremy Hunt now plays such a major role in deciding the fate of the British media. Given his past disgusting comments sucking up to Murdoch, its only a matter of time before we are stuck with a carbon copy of the American "media". Terrifying.

  • Comment number 21.

    No, the Tory-led government is not working.

    There is a distinct whiff of hypocrisy from the FibDems.

    As for the Tories, they are the bankers' best friends. Ozzy Osbourne has done nothing to stem the greed of the banking sector, and will do nothing to reclaim the billions stolen from hardworking taxpayers by the irresponsible bankers.

  • Comment number 22.

    The coalition will work if given the chance. The problem is that Labour spent a decade promoting their people in the media, trade unions, education, arts and any influential body they could infiltrate. They are now calling on these attack dogs to try and bring the government down. This is a worrying development and should serve as a warning to the public about the labour party and their undemocratic tendency. Blair and Brown were heavily influenced by the old East German regime and tried to enact a lot of its policies in the UK. To them democracy is an obstacle to their ambition of eternal one party power.

  • Comment number 23.

    I have two simple questions -

    (1) Why does the Telegraph want a Labour Government? Because that is the inevitable outcome of what they are doing. I am staggered that everyone seems to be just accepting their behaviour as reasonable. There are so many things wrong with what they have done. It is for the public to judge whether or not a party is performing well, not for newspapers to become judge and jury over them - bear in mind that Lib Dem support was slipping badly anyway before this story came out. It also will make constituency MPs think twice about what advice they give to constituents if there is the risk of something like this happening.

    (2) The Tory right are backstabbing slimeballs - they are behind almost all of this. David Davis et al have never got over the fact that he lost the leadership election and he and his mates have done everything they can to undermine Cameron. They would rather see a Labour Government than this Coalition. They really are beneath contempt. The same lowlife who John Major called "b*******"

    (3) One further disappointment is that it looks like Murdoch will get what he wants - Cable might have been able to stop him. Jeremy Hunt will almost certainly not do so.

    This is a very sad day for democracy when a newspaper can deliberately set out to destroy a Government - Daily Mail also take note. If we get a Labour Government because of this, it will serve you right.

  • Comment number 24.

    YAWN! Reporters are desperate - this story is trash. Churning out the same four or five mediocre news stories every hour is not what I was class as quality news. This is what news reporting has come down to in this country. What about the bigger picture? - what else is going on in the world? All news channels need a rethink!

  • Comment number 25.

    3. At 10:16am on 23 Dec 2010, SaveourCountry wrote:
    I feel sorry for David Cameron, he should be in power on his own....... You didnt actaully beleive that lib dems would get a majority anyway so in a way your lucky that at least they are able to have a say.
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    Err the Tories didn't get a majority either, so David Cameron shouldn't be in power on his own!

  • Comment number 26.

    I find it very revealing to see the BBC majoring heavily on predictable and insignificant ramblings by a few Liberal and Conservative MPs after they totally ignored the visceral hatred and back-stabbing which characterised those periods when Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were in government.

    I wonder how long Mr Hunt will take to wake up to what is going on, and take the action which has been needed for so long.

    I feel another night of the long knives is due. There may be good reason to mispronounce his name after that.

  • Comment number 27.

    Firstly the use of undercover reporters simply to dish the dirt and sell newspapers at Xmas is appalling. As if we didn't have enouigh forces in our society killing free speech and honesty, such policies are further repressing the willingness of people to speak out and voice their opinions. Politics itself is dying in our society because there are no differences of opinion, only corporate, partisan action and sectional interests working behind the scenes. We need abrasive, opinionated and demonstrative politicians, not smooth operators who simper and sway with the prevailing wind.

  • Comment number 28.

    The Liberal Democrats should never have entered into coalition with the Conservatives as really this is just allowing the Tories to do what they like such as trebling tuition fees. It has been sickening watching the Dave and Nick show so at least now we know the relationship is not so lovey dovey. A shame these Lib Dem MP's couldn't have been openly critical instead of being two faced.

  • Comment number 29.

    All you hear about is that the Libs are not getting what they voted for.

    Well guess what nor are the Tory Voters, most Tories I know voted thinking they were voting for right wing party that would give them a vote on the EU, put a much firmer cap on immigration and be tough on criminals.
    I guess in all fairness none in power is as Right or Left as they would ideally like to be, hence the comprise of the middle ground we find our selves in.

  • Comment number 30.

    It is clearly working as it is providing a functional government. However once again we have to ask questions of the LibDems. If as they say they are voting for laws that they fundamentally oppose just to stay in power that really brings into question their integrity. Merely saying that you oppose it whilst in government does not indicate, as Lord Steel suggests, that LibDems are having influence on the coalition. If they had any influence then why did the policy on student fees and financial support for poor 16-18 year-olds get passed? Finally did anyone notice that the Condems cut funding for a charity that provides books for disadvantaged children? They do appear to be undermining the educational system as a whole. After all why encourage the poor to like books or sport when they wont be able to afford to stay on to do a levels because there is no EMA or to go to universities as they will be saddled with debt. Better they just get to like drinking and accept their lot. Oh Brave New World!

  • Comment number 31.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 32.

    Oh dear, the UK is fast becoming a nation of eavesdroppers and informers. Very sad.

  • Comment number 33.

    It seems perfectly obvious to me what is going on. The Tories are intent on dismantling this coalition and govern on their own. However, only after they have taken a real gamble and called a snap election in the spring probably early March. Cameron could simply go to the queen and request it and not have to go through a vote of confidence. What is going on now is a prelude to that. Lib Dems have been undermined by having to go against their manifesto over student fees. Tories have denied parts of their manifesto too but they are more confident of their vote than Lib Dems. Clegg is a puppet at best. The undercover op was if not sanctioned by the Tories at any rate assists them. Cable is shown up as a loudmouth and weak man flattered by two very subtle women journalists very skilful at their jobs. Same goes for the other MPs who have fallen for it. My bet is that better politicians like Simon Hughes and Ming Campbell saw through what was going on and have wisely kept their counsel so that they can step in and take over from the hapless Clegg. But damage is already done. An early election will put paid to the Lib Dems who will be decimated and Labour who have the weakest leadership in their history. Cameron knows exactly what he is doing (for once !) and appears like a statesman. This is arch politics and all the cutbacks are a backdrop for this. An election victory will mean a majority government, a revision of some of these policies and crucially and better for the country a recognisable government instead of the anomaly which we are enduring at present. History will reveal that Lib Dems embracing a coalition will finish them off. They will lose at least half of their seats in an early election. It is too tempting for Cameron not to go for it.

  • Comment number 34.

    Norman Baker and David Heath thinks Osborne is "out of touch"?
    Does that mean Heath and Baker are in touch with "people" ?
    How nonsensical after the Lib/Dems have, thru their support of increased tuition fees, show themselves to be totally avaricious.
    By doing anything for power they have lost all credibility.
    Perhaps Cameron should call an early General Election?
    With the state of play in the Labour and the Liberal parties, he'd walk back in, with a huge majority!

  • Comment number 35.

    SaveourCountry wrote:

    "I feel sorry for David Cameron, he should be in power on his own."...All hail King Cameron the all powerful omnipotent omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent totalitarian dictator.

  • Comment number 36.

    There have been many cases brought to light lately where a person has been attacked/made to grovel/apologise for expressing an opinion which does not toe a 'superior's' line: Bishop Peter, Lord Flight,Julian Assange, and now Vince. It would seem that if one is in the public eye one is expected not to be fully human, not to have free will, be a liar to one's beliefs, or a hypocrite. Loyalty to the 'superior's' beliefs is demanded. This is a shallow, petty loyalty, serving only self-interest. Where is the loyalty of these 'superiors' to the country and the community? Our assets are sold off; our businesses allowed to move to cheaper-labour countries; philanthropism among the profit-makers is dead. But it is such loyalty that we need, if the country and its community is to survive

  • Comment number 37.

    I hope the Telegraph shoots itself in the foot and loses sales in protest. Like me I am sure there are many, who do not belong to a political party who resent this type of jounalism because it adds nothing to debate or democracy. The coalition is a fact and the 'establishment' doen't like it!

  • Comment number 38.

    No it's not working because it's effectively just another tory government. The lib dems have allowed their 'partners' to walk all over them in exchange for a referendum on watered down electoral reform.

  • Comment number 39.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 40.

    Neither group has a democratic mandate. They are authors of the policies that are driving tens of thousands of children back into poverty, cutting pensions and jobs, putting students on the rack to squeeze them into debt to pay for an education which will fit them for jobs which no longer exist and tearing the National Health Service apart in order to force the takeover by profiteers of a service which is now the envy of most of the world.

    It's the same people who are intent on forcing through a Royal Mail privatisation that has been democratically rejected time and time again and who are systematically robbing local authorities of the money they need to provide the local services that the poor and the needy, the old and the cold rely on.

    It's a collection of politicians who believe in the widening of the gap between rich and poor in the name of capitalism and are blithely going about their business with little or no regard for the wellbeing of the people whose lives they have a stranglehold on.

  • Comment number 41.

    Will someone PLEASE tell me what the alternative is to coalation government?

    Already Slave Labour has shown itself unfit to govern, so what are we left with but a LibDem/Conservative alliance?

    No one would really want the BNP or similar parties because not only is racism a useless, counterproductive policy, but no one in these parties would be able to run even the semblance of an eoonomy.

    No, we're stuck with the Coalition - thank God, because the alternatives really don't bear thinking about!

  • Comment number 42.

    It's just confirmed what we all knew. That the Liberals will break their own promises and go against their own beliefs as long as they can have a little bit of power. Who are the Liberals apologizing to? Not the tories I hope. It is the students who face a life of crippling debt and the university staff facing the dole that deserve apologies from these untrustworthy men.

  • Comment number 43.

    Basically wittering Liberals who can't stomach the necessary repair after Labour's spend and borrow years.

    The simple truth is that welfare payments are out of control and too many people work in the public services and are paid too much money.

    Of course a lot of people are going to be upset.

  • Comment number 44.

    Who has not thought that their Company, Council, Club, Government policy/outlook was wrong but has carried on presenting the agreed image.
    Mr. Cable is working within the agreed policy of the government, even though he may disagree with it, surely that is what democracy means. Whatever he hopes to achieve within government he certainly cannot achieve it from the outside so he has to choose his battles like any politician would.
    If Mr. Cable is trying to block the Murdoch empire growing then good luck to him.
    What where these ` Reporters` trying to achieve anyway?

  • Comment number 45.

    For those posters expecting Cameron to call an early general election dream on. This will be impossible if the fixed term parliament bill is enacted.

  • Comment number 46.

    I really dont the answer to the question but what the heck. Because this story is funny. That's good enough for me

  • Comment number 47.

    No.
    It's full of politicians: what would you expect?!?!?


  • Comment number 48.

    It's a bit like asking did Al Capone and Bugsy Malone love each other, for a while, while it suited them, they sort of worked together, but really they couldn't wait to kill each other. Body language and eyes tell you a lot, look at the eyes of a certain chancellor, eyes are the gateway to the soul, do you see any soul, I don't. Split a face up into sections, the mouth might be contorted into a smile but look at the eyes, sometimes they almost speak. Spare some time to look at the nazi fiends, hitlers cohorts, look into their eyes and see if there was any humanity in their souls, then look at a certain chancellors, you'll see a similarity. So, there's your answer, the tory machine is putting up with the LibDems whilst it suits them, when the time suits, they'll bump them off, politically of course.

  • Comment number 49.

    I, too, resent this kind of journalism...no-one has any morals or scuples nowadays...everything's just done for a fast buck...the media in country have a lot to answer for.....

  • Comment number 50.

    What a complete and utter non-story. So the Dem part of the ConDems doesn't particularly like the Con part. Who cares? What I find worrying that the Torygraph - which I wouldn't read if it was the last paper on the planet - has gone out of its way deliberately to mislead and set up members of a party that it doesn't support. Does anybody think they're likely to mount a similar sting against the Tories? No, I don't either. The most unfortunate outcome is that because of Vince Cable's big mouth Rupert Murdoch is now virtually guaranteed to get away with taking over BSkyB.

  • Comment number 51.

    Why do people say things and then apologies? If they can say it then they are thinking it and both sides need to grab the nettle and adjust.

    Personally I think their comments are right. I can’t listen to or watch David Cameron, I find him smarmy, but I do have the advantage of being able to turn him off.

    From my observations I find that he quotes a lot from past politicians and says what people want to hear and I certainly don’t think he has an original thought in his head and I certainly do not trust him.

    To be honest I think the voters will rue the day that they elected him but by then this country will be completely ruined as he finishes of the job started by Thatcher.



  • Comment number 52.

    The Telegraph entrapped these people and they should be bought to justice. It is also interesting to know why they did not print the whole interview.

  • Comment number 53.

    This coalition of the right is working fine for the Tories, The Lib-Dem coalition members are announcing the Tory cuts agenda and taking all the flak. No wonder Cameron and Osborne sit behind them in the Commons with oily smirks on their faces.
    The Orange Book Lib-Dems, most of whom are in the government, entered the coalition because they thought the Tories shared their vision of public services being provided by the private sector, which they believed would make for more effective service provision(against all the existing evidence). They are now finding out the Tory agenda is just to cut public sector provision, nothing else.
    Cameron's 'Big Society' vision(which got got no response at the Tory Conference, note) translates to 'you are on your own'. It's the old Tory mantra of choice, which means in practice the choice of the cheque book.
    It will be interesting to see what happens to the Lib-Dems in next year's elections, after Osborne's stealth benefit cuts hit working families after April. If they get the drubbing I expect, the Lib-Dems in Parliament will start to get restive.

  • Comment number 54.

    I think this is very healthy for the coalition!
    The rest of the country can see they are just like any family in the UK.
    We all have our differences.
    But like an old Irishman once told me, "It doesn't matter how it got broken, what matters is how you fix it"
    Its too early to "Con/Dem" them yet.

  • Comment number 55.

    It doesn't matter which party, or part-party, you vote in. Almost all their representatives are self-serving egoists, out of touch with ordinary people and only out to preserve the archaic system that allows them power. Pay them on a hourly basis for time actually spent at the HOC and pay them at the national minimum wage. Make them travel only by the cheapest possible means and insist they live permanently in their constituency. Oh ... and IQ test them.

  • Comment number 56.

    I can't believe the BBC is still making such a song and dance about this; it's old news and a non-story. Can't you find any proper news to report or is it just that the BBC can't bear to see its Labour paymasters out of power.

    Come on now, move along...nothing to see.

  • Comment number 57.

    21. At 10:37am on 23 Dec 2010, James Naughtie Fan Club wrote:
    No, the Tory-led government is not working.

    There is a distinct whiff of hypocrisy from the FibDems.

    As for the Tories, they are the bankers' best friends. Ozzy Osbourne has done nothing to stem the greed of the banking sector, and will do nothing to reclaim the billions stolen from hardworking taxpayers by the irresponsible bankers.
    ------------------------------------------
    Actually James, Brown was the bankers' best friend. Under him they never had it so good. In fact I've never seen a politician suck up to the City quite as much as Brown. He also decided to tax private equity companies' gains at 18% while the rest of us mere mortals pay much more, AND while he was ripping our pensions off to the tune of £150 bn. The Tories at least introduced the Bank Levy. You talk about hypocrisy....I suggest that you look closer to home.

  • Comment number 58.

    Vince Cable has made many enemies especially among the Bankers, who will do anything they can to get rid of him. We all know the Telegraph wants to get rid of the Coalition and replace it with a 100% Tory Government (which would be friendly to bankers). So, they are trying to discredit Lib Dem members and bring down the Government. Trying to bring down a Government you disagree with amounts to TREASON. Bankers drink at the same 'clubs' as Telegraph reporters and no doubt hatched the plot together. However, I say 'Vince, you should have stepped down - your regular views outside of Government would have been more than welcome, and this would be a great time to write your memoirs !!!'.....And remember folks - when they all say 'the mess Labour left behind' they really mean 'the massive loan Labour used to bail out the Banks'. Every job lost over the next 5 years will be as a result of the Bankers greed.

  • Comment number 59.

    41. At 10:57am on 23 Dec 2010, Upemall wrote:
    Will someone PLEASE tell me what the alternative is to coalation government?

    Already Slave Labour has shown itself unfit to govern, so what are we left with but a LibDem/Conservative alliance?

    No one would really want the BNP or similar parties because not only is racism a useless, counterproductive policy, but no one in these parties would be able to run even the semblance of an eoonomy.

    No, we're stuck with the Coalition - thank God, because the alternatives really don't bear thinking about!

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    Here are a few for you to think about
    1 Conservatives could have formed a minority government then Libs and Lab and others could have voted with integrity along the lines of their manifestos.

    2 The Tories could now call a general election on the basis of the policies we now see they have rather than the lies they told us during the election (remember no increases in student fees from Libs, no reduction in child benefit from cons, punishing bankers from both libs and cons, no mention of cuts in education or NHS or defence or police).

    Maybe the cons would get a majority? Maybe not thats why its called an election.

  • Comment number 60.

    The coalition is not working, and this is a good thing. The sooner it collapses the better.

    A minority government would be better, even a Tory one. The Lib Dem MPs seem unable to moderate the government's economic policies, they are locked in and the comments of Vince Cable and others reveal their frustration. If they were supporting a minority government, on an issue by issue basis, they would be able to block the governments' more unpopular measures.

    Minority government is working well in Scotland. Although the opposition parties could bring the government down, this would risk an early general election, so it would be unwise for them to do so on an issue on which the government has popular support.

    The government and opposition have to take careful note of public opinion. A result is that care for the elderly is better supported by government in Scotland and unpopular measures like reintroducing student fees would be difficult to implement. The budget has to be balanced by making savings which cause less public outrage.

    Political elites do not like minority governments, because it makes their job harder. They cannot implement pet schemes until they have built up public support for them. Minority government is closer to the ideal of rule by the people, rather than by an elite.

  • Comment number 61.

    To be honest I find these revelatiobns comforting in that it shows the LibDems are doing their best to town down the Conservative policies and so-long as they get along Ok at the top (Cameron/Clegg) is a lot better than the later years of Blair/Brown.

    My only real concern is if these are towned down policies (and most conservative commentators think that too much has been given to the LibDems) what would the Conservative policies been if Cameron had won a working majority 6 months ago.

    I just hope that we never see a Conservative majority government again and hope that the AV referndum is won to prevent this happening

  • Comment number 62.

    One only has to look at bbc reporting over the last 4-6 weeks to see how polically biased and motivated it has become.

    Sorry, but if I want to financially support the labour party I will do it myself....so cancel the TV tax immediately.

  • Comment number 63.

    So the Lib Dems are not allowed to have their own opinion ?
    As the 'junior partner' there are always going to be some things which go badly against them. I can't help but think that most of the general public do not want Murdoch to control any more of the media than he already does. One other good thing that has come out of the coalition is the marginalisation of the 'nasty' Tory right.
    So Far, Ed Miliband has done nothing to revive Labour's fortunes and would be buried if we had a snap general election.
    However, with Cable stripped of his power of veto, Murdoch will almost certainly get his way.
    Welcome to Fox News UK everyone!!!

  • Comment number 64.

    56. At 11:16am on 23 Dec 2010, Mrs Vee wrote:

    I can't believe the BBC is still making such a song and dance about this; it's old news and a non-story. Can't you find any proper news to report or is it just that the BBC can't bear to see its Labour paymasters out of power.

    Come on now, move along...nothing to see.


    "Labour paymasters" - what an utterly bizarre statement. Someone has been on the sherry methinks!

  • Comment number 65.

    Is ANYTHING working?

  • Comment number 66.

    7. At 10:23am on 23 Dec 2010, coolhandpaul wrote:
    I don't agree on everything with my bosses and colleagues. But we get on with the job. It happens in all walks of life I would say.

    But hey making something out of nothing is what 'journalists' do nowadays - mind you the public seem to go along with it in many cases.

    The bit that annoys me is the apologies for having their own thoughts.
    -----------------
    Spot on. Anyone who thinks this is news (for anyone other than bored journalists) needs their head examining. Anyone who thinks that the Labour party was all sweetness and light when they were in power has amnesia.

  • Comment number 67.

    59. At 11:18am on 23 Dec 2010, Eddythered wrote:

    41. At 10:57am on 23 Dec 2010, Upemall wrote:
    Will someone PLEASE tell me what the alternative is to coalation government?

    Already Slave Labour has shown itself unfit to govern, so what are we left with but a LibDem/Conservative alliance?

    No one would really want the BNP or similar parties because not only is racism a useless, counterproductive policy, but no one in these parties would be able to run even the semblance of an eoonomy.

    No, we're stuck with the Coalition - thank God, because the alternatives really don't bear thinking about!

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Here are a few for you to think about
    1 Conservatives could have formed a minority government then Libs and Lab and others could have voted with integrity along the lines of their manifestos.

    2 The Tories could now call a general election on the basis of the policies we now see they have rather than the lies they told us during the election (remember no increases in student fees from Libs, no reduction in child benefit from cons, punishing bankers from both libs and cons, no mention of cuts in education or NHS or defence or police).

    Maybe the cons would get a majority? Maybe not thats why its called an election.


    1. Wouldn't have lasted five minutes

    2. Would be against the coalition agreement

  • Comment number 68.

    22. At 10:37am on 23 Dec 2010, PFC_Kent wrote:
    "Blair and Brown were heavily influenced by the old East German regime and tried to enact a lot of its policies in the UK." You're losing it again. You must try to stay on your medication.

    The Liberals are starting to realise at last that they are but a fig-leaf for Cameron's far right agenda, which the public did not vote for (NHS re-organisation/privatisation for example). A coalition built on sand - and Nick Clegg's mammoth ego.

  • Comment number 69.

    To those to whom it comes as a surprise that two parties in coalition don't always agree on everything all the time and will rush off to buy newspapers in wild excitement, I would point out that there is a strange place called the Real World and it is inhabited by creatures called Human Beings.

  • Comment number 70.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 71.

    51. At 11:08am on 23 Dec 2010, RonC wrote:
    Why do people say things and then apologies? If they can say it then they are thinking it and both sides need to grab the nettle and adjust.

    Personally I think their comments are right. I can’t listen to or watch David Cameron, I find him smarmy, but I do have the advantage of being able to turn him off.

    From my observations I find that he quotes a lot from past politicians and says what people want to hear and I certainly don’t think he has an original thought in his head and I certainly do not trust him.

    To be honest I think the voters will rue the day that they elected him but by then this country will be completely ruined as he finishes of the job started by Thatcher.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    I'm not a supporter of any political party - no such thing as an honest politician as far as I am concerned - and, being in my 60's I well remember Thatcher and those both before and after her.

    What I don't understand is the constant references to the so called wrongs that Thatcher is supposed to have inflicted on the country. The last government, under Blair and Brown, had 13 years to put right all those wrongs but what did they change? What industry got re-nationalised? Railways? Busses? BT? Water? Electricity? No, none of them, which must mean that the last government thought she did the right thing. As far as I'm aware school children don't get their milk ration either.

    As for ruining the country, Harold Wilson, Callaghan and Brown have all done a lot worse than Thatcher ever did.

  • Comment number 72.

    Shock Horror, hold the front page: Undercover journalists reveal that Politicians exhibit clear signs of vanity and hubris.

  • Comment number 73.

    Isn't this what we want though? Personally I think this sort of thing should happen within political parties. Ultimately I want politicians who stand up for what I and other constituents believe in and don't just 'tow the party line'.

    For me the lib-dems are doing what they should be doing. Stopping this from being a conservative government and plugging for compromise on the toughest tory policies.

    Equally compromise is what may have caused messrs Baker and Heath to vote for a policy they didn't support. The lib-dems have had to concede on this policy statement to allow them to curb other hardline tory policies.

    This is such a non-news story its unbelievable. Yes the coalition is working but at a guess labour will say it isn't and the coalition will say it is.

  • Comment number 74.

    Off course its working, the latest news proves that The Lib Dems are fighting hard to curtail the facism of The Tories, long may it continue.

    If this should fail we are looking at at a scenario that would make Thatchers reign look like fairyland!!!

  • Comment number 75.

    'Are journalists justified in using undercover methods to get a story?':
    Yes - in SOME cases - such as Crime, Spies and REAL Criminals etc - but to behave in such a low manner - even using Females as a possible enticement towards Private individuals and MP's - is nothing less than an insult to this Country. With 'friends' like the 'Telegraph' - this Country plays into the hands of it's Enemies. Who's next - US?

    'Chancellor George Osborne was out of touch with ordinary people.':
    How MANY of us can honestly say that we are acually on friendly terms with ANY Politician - Pathetic comment.

    'Ed Miliband claims that secretly taped comments by Vince Cable showed the coalition government was a "sham".':
    It's time Milliband grew up and realised that constantly sniping at the LibDems - rather than dealing with the REAL problems of this Country - just because the LibDems turned down Labours 'advances' at the Election - is like watching 'Coronation Street' - just a Soap. Say's a LOT for the mentality of Labour.

    'Have the recent revelations done the coalition harm?':
    Only in the minds of the Politically-brainwashed-few who are SO afraid that Labour is not in power to continue giving them the financial 'sweets' that they have become SO accustomed to.

    'How do you think the coalition is working?':
    Allowing for the dire situation that Labour left US in and the constant badgering of the Coalition - especially the LibDems - by certain Media and and especially the BBC - the Coalition is working very hard and well under the circumstances. This is a task that HAS to be undertaken. I don't see or hear so many conversations with Labour MP's on TV or Radio.

    I shudder at the condition this Country would be in now, if Labour were still in power - even MORE longer-term Debt and Public pain. Though of course, the BBC may not have had it's License-Fee 'frozen' - perhaps.
    Constant Media/Political/Union 'harrassment' is not helping either this Country - or US. We KNOW changes HAVE to be made, so better to let them get on with it - rather than trying to IMPEDE them with waffle.

    Our Government - NOT the Media - was given the mandate to run this Country...

  • Comment number 76.

    How do you think the coalition is working?

    - Just fine, given the enormous damage done to this country under Labour. The Coalition knew and told us that the up hill struggle to bring us as a country out of the corrupt despair that Labour took us into was not going to be easy, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that we face as a nation some difficult times ahead. Given the task ahead I applaud the Coalition for basically telling it like it is and taking the steps to reduce and heal the damage done to us by Labour.

    Are journalists justified in using undercover methods to get a story?

    - No! Not in this context. The gallop to expose everything that goes on, from which politician said what, to which one farted during PMQT is starting verge on the ridiculous. Cable was well within his rights to say what he said and his conversation should have remained private. He is merely expressing a dislike (that most share) for that odious Murdoch fellow. My hat is off to Cable

    Have the recent revelations done the coalition harm?

    - No Not really, but they have confirmed my firmly held beliefs that the Labour party and their supporters are the biggest and greatest threat to this country and its ability to progress. I am staggered and the sheer audacity of the Labour Party to dare to call the Coalition a sham given the horrors of 13 years of Labour governance and total mismanagement and corruption.

    It disgusts me that this gaggle of thieves and blaggards that is the Labour party and movement has not yet uttered an apology for the 13 years of destruction they wreaked on this country. Not one contrite and apologetic word from any of them. They are beneath contempt and disgust.

    Shame on anyone who has ever voted Labour. Just look at what you've done.

    Long live the Tories...

  • Comment number 77.

    I suspect that the LIberals have started to realise that the con dem coalition will be the death of their party as they are sucked into this abyss of Tory right wing policies that will destroy any remaining credibility they have.

    Nick Clegg, you are wholly responsible for this disaster. Clearly the Liberals cannot reign in the Tory drive to privatise yet more key services and destabilise the NHS and our media by handing it over to private ownership.

    It is time for those with any social conscience to stand up and be counted now, you may yet then, still have a party in years to come.

  • Comment number 78.

    The coalition government being tories and lib-dems have committed a cardinal sin - Both parties have broken their promises made when seeking election - They have told the electorate untruths !

    I definitely agree that journalists should not use undercover means to get a story - WHY - just ask a direct question and request a straight answer !
    Why beat about the bush - if a straight answer cannot be given - then go somewhere else !

    A good politician - is an honest politician !!!

    Unless there is a change of corporate strategy, to care for the needs, welfare and economy of Our Country, and to stop wasting our finances on helping everybody else then this coalition will fail.

    Stop selling our assets, companies - inventiveness, strengths, capabilities, Get out of Europe and avoid further kickings, restrictions and regulations then we might just have a chance.

    Get Back into The Real World - Before it's too late !!!

  • Comment number 79.

    Perhaps some support for our Government at this time of national crisis might be more appropriate than a concerted effort by all forms of media to create a rift. Whether the campaign is politically motivated or just an attempt to create a good story is unclear.

  • Comment number 80.

    Norman Baker and David Heath thinks Osborne is "out of touch"?
    Does that mean Heath and Baker are in touch with "people" ?
    How nonsensical after the Lib/Dems have, thru their support of increased tuition fees, show themselves to be totally avaricious.
    By doing anything for power they have lost all credibility.
    Perhaps Cameron should call an early General Election?
    With the state of play in the Labour and the Liberal parties, he'd walk back in, with a huge majority!

    ------------
    Baker comes from a modest background and went to a local state school in London and then University (Not Oxford) Heath comes from the standard public school/Oxford background but at least took a real degree not PPE and has worked for a living (He was an Optician) George Osborne will be the 18th Baronet Osborne on the death of His father ,will inherit a fortune and his only working experience other than being a politician is as a Saturday assistant at Selfridges!

    I think that rather addresses your comments.

    If you think Cameron would win with an overwhelming majority you are as out of touch with reality as Osborne.

  • Comment number 81.

    Yes it's working. It's a coalition, liberals and conservatives will have different opinions but that doesn't mean they can't work together, comprimise and provide an effective government. I was sceptical about coalition before the election but now I actually think it's the best outcome.

    I don't see why it's a big deal if junior lib dem ministers speak their minds, surely we want politicians to be honest rather than just tow the government line?

    The Telegraph's actions are very irresponsible and will mean MPs will no longer be able to be straight with constituents in case they turn out to be undercover reporters.

  • Comment number 82.

    Yes, of course it is working! I've believed all along that there are certain elements of the Press that don't want the Coalition to work - and this has proved it!! I am sure certain things that have been reproted to have been said could easily have been said by some Conservatives!

  • Comment number 83.

    First of all, in my opinion, the Coalition is working. Unlike many of its predecessors, it is a Government that reflects the result of the popular vote at the last General Election, so could at least be termed democratically elected. What disturbs me a little about recent developments is the lengths to which the media, with their own agenda, will go to record remarks being made by Ministers and MPs. It is a form of covert snooping almost amounting to "bugging", and Government cannot function properly in such an environment. It is as if the media have become some form of secret police, and it is not attractive. Government by the media is not what I voted for as I am adult enough to recognise that there will always be differences of opinion within Government, and so long as the the rule of Cabinet collective responsibility is maintained, that is perfectly normal. Media hype might even have the negative effect of making Government more secretive. Do we really want that?

  • Comment number 84.

    Right from the general election, the media have been reporting that it won’t last.

    The Telegraph has now created a story for their news paper. The media including the BBC have treated the created story as news. Now the whole media pack are hounding the coalition government. Somewhere someone in the media should be questioning why it was a good news story the Telegraph created. And why have the media joined in the frenzy created by the Telegraph surely they should be critically questioning what the Telegraph were up to doing it.

    Perhaps I am being cynical but it looks as though the media have decided it’s just fine and the whole pack can all join in. If they can bring down a government minister that’s fine and if they destroy the coalition that’s even better.

    Just what good would that do. It would satisfy the media’s predictions made just after the election. However, the public did not give a decisive vote for any party. So what do the public want?

    If investigative journalism was undertaken by the media to find out. That would made a lot more sense than creating a story and portraying it as news.

  • Comment number 85.

    Are journalists justified in using undercover methods to get a story?

    No they are not- we have huge press freedom int his country, but yet journo's seem hell bent on destroying it and invading people privacy and right to a personal view.

    I thinkt the coalition is working in general terms, but the honeymoon is over are part of comprimise is often that not everyone is sold on a particular view but has to go along with it for the benefit of the rest.

  • Comment number 86.

    If the members of the ruling gang, always a coalition but unarguably so now, do not have genuine respect for each other why did they strive so hard to join the gang and what hope do we, their victims, have of being respected by them?

    Perhaps their mutual disrespect is the ultimate confirmation of their disrespect for the rest of us.

  • Comment number 87.

    For all of you saying this is a non event - dream on! You are witnessing the beginning of the end of this sham of a government. They will not be in power this time next year.

  • Comment number 88.

    Shame on the Daily Telegraph; skulking about, tricking people and making secret recordings. Its disgusting.

    Why exactly are they targetting Lib Dems and trying to cause trouble?

    Is anyone even remotely surprised the Tories and the Lib Dems don't agree on everything?

    I wish the press would get a grip, grow up, and stop behaving like imbeciles.

  • Comment number 89.

    Don't be fooled here, the Lib-Dems took votes from people who overwhelmingly are anti Conservative. But when they meet meet constituants (no doubt real as well as undercover journalists) they tell them what they think they want to hear. They know what they have done in entering this coalition ranks as one of the greatest voter betrayals ever. Now, they are all about saving their skins for when the time again comes for asking to borrow and abuse peoples votes. I have bo doubt each Lib-Dem MP is following the same line, and the only question is have they been briefed centrally as part of a win back credibility with voters campaign in time for the next election.
    What feeble excuses they peddle for doing things like trashing pledges on education and overseeing an attack on the people least able to withstand the looming cuts. Without them, things they are too ashamed to admit to supporting could not happen. If the first betrayal of voters didn't tell us enough about these people, the double-backtracking is an insult to our intelligence.
    Whoever trusts them again is a naive.

  • Comment number 90.

    it is obvious that the coalition is tearing itself apart. The lastest revelations show that there are huge tensions and mistrust in the coalition. How long before it falls apart?? Hopefully this summer will see a general election, something Cameron knows he will not win and Clegg knows that Liberals will lose heavily.

    The coalition is no longer about 'good for the country' (if it ever was), it is political survival.

  • Comment number 91.

    Yes it is. If nothing else it removed New Labour, with its freedom encroaching policies, from power.
    So, 4 Lib-Dems MPs have expressed an opinion. Good for them. This is still a free country so anyone is entitled to do just that. However, despite their comments, I am sure that they are just as dedicated in getting the country into some sort of financial order as their Conservative counterparts.
    The Lib-Dems have an opportunity to prove to the country that they can govern: giving the British public a viable alternative to the two-party political system that we have.
    However, they are not exactly showing mettle. For example: just because some noisesome brats decided that they shouldn’t be paying for their mediocre degrees, many Lib-Dems wilted like lettuce leaves on a hot day.
    It’s still early days, and I’m sure that there will be further comments from either side. Remember, these are two separate parties working together so there is bound to be some disagreements...

  • Comment number 92.

    At its work of sociopathic demolition, yes. Should it exist? Never! Cameron can spout as many clichees as he likes- this is a collusion between Lib Dems and Tories with the latter making all the real gains. Their aim is a crushed society where everyone is put back in 'his' place. They drivel about Labour being in the hands of the trades-unions when they are clearly in the hands of Media Barons and Dodgy financiers. Their attacks on the poor, on jobs, on families are blatant- what we need is a media organisation not in the hands of billionaires which will dissect, analyse and report on their ideas in a balanced way - we used to have one called the BBC before its political teams became stuffed with Tories and right wing commentators. They now concentrate on the Media Bankability of the likes of Clegg, Cable etc rather than doing any real forensic scrutiny of the so called 'new politics. Just comparing their policies with those of previous Tory governments would be enough to expose this rabble as among the most reactionary governments since 1830. Not since Lord Grey and the Duke of Wellington has there been such a concerted attack on the poor, and we have to go back to the 1750s to find such an atrocious housing policy. Yes its working as mustard gas or weapons of mass destruction work - the class war is reviving and going strong!

  • Comment number 93.

    I think the ConDem coalition is hanging on by a thread. Cameron & Clegg united because their respective egos craved the political kudos and power of government - it will look good on their CV - not for altrusistic reasons, and most certainly not for the good of the country. They will bully and berate their cabinet members into, 'towing the party line', but it cannot last. There's a limit to how much compliant subservience and enforced silence any decent person will tolerate before they rebel and when they do the whole house of cards will come crashing down around Cameron & Clegg. The 'terrible twins' are hoping, praying and cajoling their party members to hold the coalition together for as long as possible as both know their career in UK politics ends as soon as this coalition collapses - which it will. It's only a matter of time.

  • Comment number 94.

    A Tory government on its own would be far better. The Lib Dems are like a noose around the neck of the Tories, who are trying to fix the disaster that Zanu Labour heaped upon us for over a decade.

  • Comment number 95.

    This must be one of the most one sided issues I've ever seen on HYS. It is gratifying to read that the public see this for what it is...media manipulation of a non-story for their own ends.
    Maybe the only interesting debate is WHY have they done it? The BBC would do well to use some of its proclaimed investigative prowess to look for the reasons for this.

  • Comment number 96.

    All major parties are coalitions; Tory’s centre right & further right, Labour centre left & further left, Lib-Dems centre right & centre left.
    Yes some on the further right or centre left of the government see the coalition as the work of the devil, sleeping with the enemy etc. However Tory’s & Labour generally know the rules of being in government, understand it doesn’t always deliver on their pet policies but is far better than being in opposition. This is the lesson the Lib-Dems, especially the centre left, are having to learn.
    As for the alternatives, a minority [Conservative] government would not be able to tackle the economic crisis; we would drift for 2-3 years with populist pork-belly policies. The government never wanting to get out of step with public opion, as the next election could be soon. This is why Labour could not deal with the economic crisis when they initially occurred and why the coalition agreement specified the date of the next election.

  • Comment number 97.

    Stupid question, of course its still working.
    Just last week the coalition passed the student fees reforms.
    It was a total U turn on the Democrats pre-election promises and there were riots in the streets.
    If the coalition is strong enough to survive that, it'll survive anything

  • Comment number 98.

    Of course it is still working; the Lib Dem ministers still have their chaffeur driven cars, they are busy creating unemployment, selling the austerity scam to those who are daft enough to fall for it, and persuading their back bench MPs to vote for anything. The Tories are happy with their support and should the moment arise Cameron can call an election which he will win at the expense of the Lib Dems. And finally, it is working because there is no effective opposition from Millie Mouse and what remains of the Labour Party.

    As for the journalists - well done. We live in a political world of secrecy and spin. There is no opposition, no alternative ideas are given space or credibility. Any information is worth publishing. Of course the public does not want to read of their private lives, but these politicians are wrecking our childrens's future, destroying our health service and generally putting themselves first. Good for the few journalists who are not too timid to report on them.

  • Comment number 99.

    "Is the coalition working?"

    Of course, it is in government and running the country.

    Labour is desperately trying to talk it apart so I guess it must be working better than they had hoped. If it keeps Labour out then that is enough for me while the UK licks its wounds from 13 years of mad public spending.

  • Comment number 100.

    When it comes to UK politics what do you not understand from these type of allegations is it little wonder they can't work with each other:

    Can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 600 employees and has the following employee statistics..

    29 have been accused of spouse abuse

    7 have been arrested for fraud

    9 have been accused of writing bad cheques
    17 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

    3 have done time for assault
    71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

    14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
    8 have been arrested for shoplifting

    21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
    84 have been arrested for drink driving in the last year and collectively,
    this year alone, they have cost the British tax payer £92,993,748 in expenses!!!
    Which organisation is this?

    It's the 635 members of the House of Commons,



    the same group that cranks out hundreds of new laws
    each year designed to keep the rest of us inline.


    And just to top all that they probably have the best
    'corporate' pension scheme in the country!!

    And just where does the Honourable bit in the job title apply?

    What’s new I hear you say, its been happening for decades…….

    PS Mr Moderator, this was passed in a BBC Scottish blogg..............












 

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