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What could closer ties between the US and India achieve?

11:17 UK time, Monday, 8 November 2010

President Barack Obama has backed India's ambition for permanent membership of the United Nations Security Council, in a speech to the Indian parliament in Delhi. How important is the relationship between the United States and India?

Although it could take years before India has a seat at the council, analysts say the gesture highlights the importance the US places on its ties with the nation.

Earlier, Mr Obama said the relationship between the United States and India will be "one of the defining partnerships of the 21st century."

Indian PM Manmohan Singh said the two countries' partnership would be "defining and indispensable" for the coming decades. He said he and Mr Obama had agreed protectionism was detrimental for both countries, and that India was not in the business of stealing American jobs.

What is your view of the relationship? In what other areas can the two countries work together? What does the relationship mean for the rest of the world? How significant would permanent membership at the UN Security Council be for India?

Thank you for your comments. This debate has now closed.

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  • Comment number 1.

    What could closer ties between the US and India achieve? Weapons sales perhaps

  • Comment number 2.

    Would someone tell me how India is a world power when it is still receiving aid and there is a huge amount of abject poverty in the country.

    America will be asked to pour money in and get very little if anything out.

  • Comment number 3.

    "What could closer ties between the US and India achieve?"
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    MacKorma?

  • Comment number 4.

    "
    2. At 12:19pm on 08 Nov 2010, ziggyboy wrote:

    Would someone tell me how India is a world power when it is still receiving aid and there is a huge amount of abject poverty in the country.
    "

    Don't blame India if countries like ours give them money, that's our fault not there's. If someone came up to you in the street and just gave you a tenner would you say no!

  • Comment number 5.

    The tills of the airport 'security' systems manufacturers will be ringing away merrily. Welcome to the 'club'.

  • Comment number 6.

    The rich getting richer and more American jobs 'outsourced '.

  • Comment number 7.

    Mr. Obama has once again made a major error in international diplomacy, as the green man of statesmanship and power politics, rather than proving himself a seasoned elder statesman. The only real, long term, effects of this new diplomatic and economic disaster, are to increase conflict in the region, increase local and international tensions, fuel marxist challenge to the Indian government, and increasingly strain India's relations with its neighbors. Subsequent to this new wave of Americanization of India, India is in for its roughest ride yet along the road of today's globalized economics and superpower politics. Obama did no favors for India and in fact eroded America's position in the region where he clearly seeks a very delusional win of a defining relationship. With that spotlight turned on, only disaster can follow. On the economic front, the U.S. economy is bound to be further eroded by yet another flood of cheap foreign goods, continuing and worsening India's contribution to the massive damage done by China. Of course that also rapidly fuels left wing dissent in India and will lead to what I would refer to as gradual "capitalist collapse" along predictable patterns already evident in the somewhat more severe case of China. Eventually, if the economic trend continues the western world's, not only America's, long term strategic interests will be severely eroded, not aided. It is a welcome situation for America's enemies.







  • Comment number 8.

    Who really cares? We give vast amounts of money to India in foreign aid, yet their economy is in far better shape than ours!!! The EU is about to force Britain to take more than its fair share of Indian migrant workers (7 times more than France) under the new EU/India free trade agreement. All of this should be enough! We have had our fill of migrant workers and we now need to halt this never-ending influx.

  • Comment number 9.

    What could closer ties between the US and India achieve?

    Hopefully better curries in the US!

  • Comment number 10.

    Americas power is erroding while India and China become major powers this century. It only seems logical to form partnerships with the two instead of risking potential conflicts and wars. All will reach equilibrium eventually, but I'd prefer a smooth ride than the chaos of the past.

  • Comment number 11.

    Obama has said that he will "address" India's bid for a permanent UN Security Council seat. What does this mean, that he will put his shoulder to the wheel and seriously push the Indian bid?
    The US president is on a 10-day Asian tour designed to boost US exports, because Asia is growing and the United States is stagnating.
    Union Minister of Commerce and Industry, Anand Sharma said that India will be able to achieve the export target of US $200B by the end of this financial year.
    India expects a high growth trajectory of annual exports of 25% and will be able to double India’s exports of goods and services. “Exports in September stood at US $105B vs US $81B the previous year.
    So I guess we begin to understand why Obama is in India.
    Sharma said export projections are well on target. But India wants a diversified market and ensure a better risk management for our exports to buffer against any challenges which may come with the changes in global economy (Read that again in case you've missed a very subtle, economic message)...It is with this intent that India is engaging all major economic regions of the world.
    The Trade in Goods Agreement with ASEAN has come into force.
    This Agreement is expected to increase trade between India and ASEAN. Similarly the agreement with Korea has also come into force. So India is exporting nicely. I doubt if it even needs the United States.
    In addition, India has concluded negotiations for a Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CEPA) which covers trade, investment and services with Malaysia and Japan.
    India is approaching a trade and investment agreement with European Union. Then there's SACU under - The Preferential Trading Agreement with the MERCOSUR countries.
    So, tell me: Does the United States need India, or does India need the United States?

  • Comment number 12.

    What could closer ties between the US and India achieve?

    It should really annoy their other allies - the Pakistani government.

    Mind you another few years of the 'war on terror' and India could well be on the frontline.....

  • Comment number 13.

    I've been working with people from India for about 6 years now. And I must say, I've been pretty impressed with them. For the most part, they are people we want in the USA, working on our problems. They are adding to our cultural mix, not detracting from it.

    India, the nation, is the only nation in the region that can offer a credible rivalry to Chineese cultural and economic hegemony. Their colonial history has given them two very useful tools that can allow them to jump start their economy and their rise to power. 1) is the large knowledge of English among the people and 2) an understanding of western culture that may be greater than China's understanding.

    The West may turn to India for advice and help in understanding the area. India has a chance to profundly affect how the West reacts to the coming changes. I hope they have the wisdom to use it effectively!

    The big problem is Pakistan. It is skirting very close to a failed state status. Which is tragic, but the historic animosity between India and Pakistan could be a major stumbling block for India's rise.

  • Comment number 14.

    For decades Pakistan and its people had received preferential treatment and had been the blue-eyed boys of United States till Muslim fanatics went haywire and wrecked the two WTC Towers. India through the years progressed economically and in the IT sector. Pakistan has turned into a rogue nation. US has no go but to trust the dependable India and its growing prowess among world nations. At the same time, US maintains a cloak of diplomacy with Pak - the abode of Bin Ladens. US economy is in doldrums and it may take a decade for US government to undo and build up its economy that was ruined by Bush and his cohorts during their misrule at home and misadventure in Iraq. In the face of this, US ties with India assume prominence and predominance as they are mutually beneficial. Obama though this time should have been forthcoming about Pakistan's malafide acts of harbouring and aiding the flourishing Jihadists' conclaves on its soil against India.

  • Comment number 15.

    It should give the US vital and justified bases in the sub continent better able to strike and neutralise middle eastern / arabian peninsular at rogue terrorist states in coalition the Israel & Turkey. Whats not to like ?

  • Comment number 16.

    Well, he would say that wouldn't he?

    Nice and close to a few States the US doesn't like very much, too....

  • Comment number 17.

    It will mean business boom for America through the sales of arms, jets, etc India will also help to secure the terrorists passage around Kashimir. India, will get a secure seat in the UN, plenty of aids, and regular visits to the white house. International aids means international aids. Or shall we call it rub (Rob)my back, and I'll rub (rob) your back.

  • Comment number 18.

    I think its disgusting watching the American come to india and talk about fighting terrorism when it was the Yanks who have funded all terror against india, it was the US which provided weapons and support to indias enemies in the Indo-Pak war, where India recieved thousands of Bengali refugees from what can only be described as Genocide supported by the US (See Archer Blood Telegram), And to think he has come with promises but no apologies! Bhopal? Indo-Pak war? Financing Terrorists against India? And the numerous revelations of verbal attacks against india and particularly Indira Ghandhi! US knowingly gave money to Mujhahadeen to fight anywar they wished in order to ghain support in Afghanistan, The deal when russia left was between Iran, Russia, India, US and Pakistan that Afghanistan would be left alone and nutral yet the US brokle that deal and started to fund terror in that region and costs thousands of Indian lives! US is repsonsible for the blood of indians on his hands!

  • Comment number 19.

    15. At 1:03pm on 08 Nov 2010, SPEEDTHRILLS wrote:
    It should give the US vital and justified bases in the sub continent better able to strike and neutralise middle eastern / arabian peninsular at rogue terrorist states in coalition the Israel & Turkey. Whats not to like ?

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    I sure hope this never happens as India has been attacked by US made weapons for many years and also fought war against US's friends! The US funded and destabilised the whol;e of south India when it supported Genocide in Bengal and gave Pakistan arms to fight against India.!

  • Comment number 20.

    They'll be able to use it as a base to attack Pakistan in about two years, probably as part of a quid pro quo over greater Kashmir.

    The US will also want to menace China through their new proxy.

  • Comment number 21.

    I'd be very careful if i was India! look what happens to most of US's so-called friends! And ask why did the US harbour Bhopal criminals for decades without responding to Indian claims? it took greenpeace to find them hiding in Key West!

    Ask the US why it felt necessary to hide these people? ask the US why India can not produce its own AIDS pills and why the US stopped any further support for Indian medicine if it did produce these pills which they could have made and provided to the whole country for a thrid of the price? these are the real actions of the US and not send a smiling ethnic man, who is just a cover and all US crimes have been brushed under the carpet!!

  • Comment number 22.

    "
    8. At 12:47pm on 08 Nov 2010, Chris wrote:

    Who really cares? We give vast amounts of money to India in foreign aid, yet their economy is in far better shape than ours!!! The EU is about to force Britain to take more than its fair share of Indian migrant workers (7 times more than France) under the new EU/India free trade agreement. All of this should be enough! We have had our fill of migrant workers and we now need to halt this never-ending influx.
    "

    Time to get out of the EU?

  • Comment number 23.

    This story highlights the farce of having politically correct foreign policies .... New Labour decided that India deserved £850 million in foreign aid from the UK over 3 yrs to feed its 'starving poor'.

    India prefers to spend its money on Space Programs, Science, I.T., and Nuclear Weapons etc, as it strives to be a 'top natiuon', not 'waste it' on social welfare programs.

    The US declares India the be a 'major military, space and economic power' and sponsors its demand for 'permanent membership of the United Nations Security Council'.

    In the UK we are nearly broke (and £850m would go a long way), we can't put planes on to our aircraft carriers, and are scaling back on Nuclear, Science, I.T. and even those beloved 'welfare' programs .... partly because we give aid to India and China.

    We are also likely to lose our permanent seat on the UN Security Council in the next 20yrs ..... guess who to?

  • Comment number 24.

    A permanent seat in the UN! Use of technologies!
    And for the people who still more about aid!
    Do you have any idea why Indian is still poor?
    The British was there for 250 years.
    Indian refused to join the allies after WWII and bought weapons and increased ties with USSR (India was cut off from the international market when the allies funded Pakistan!!).
    Other day someone said to me Standard of life compared to UK is very low in India. Of course do you know when you pay £20 for a shirt have you thought where it was made and how much was paid for the person who made it?
    People are poor because it is a chain reaction, if one has good like someone else has to work hard and earl less for it

  • Comment number 25.

    There seems to be good chemistry between the two statesmen. India is an economic giant and like China will reach super-power status well and truly above the United States in a decade or so. President Obama knows India's economic potential. The earlier the United States comes to terms with that the better for the two countries. Fostering the right partnership is far more important than destructive competition. After all India and the United States, two nuclear nations, share similar democratic ideals. The quest for world peace and understanding is a shared dream.

  • Comment number 26.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 27.

    I don't understand the criticism of this move. India is class act. It is the world's largest democracy and a developing world power. India has tremendous problems, but, somehow, India is making it all work. Maybe the rest of us could learn something from India.

    When, not if, the U.S. Withdraws its troops from Asia, India will be a major player in stopping the implosion. We certainly can't depend on Pakistan or China.

  • Comment number 28.

    More immigration into the USA?

  • Comment number 29.

    India, a nuclear power, with the second largest population in the world deserves to have a permanent seat in the United nations. Like China, India is a key economic power that is likely to eclipse the United States in economic importance in decades to come. India's global importance has to be recognized and refusing to follow its meteoric rise would be sheer folly.

  • Comment number 30.

    India welcomes its foreign guests particularly heads of states of other countries regularly as a matter of goodwill and on an expectation to benefit from such visits politically or economically. President Obama's visit is no exception and hopefully benefit both countries i.e. India and United States. Nothing more need be expected of the present visit and more such visits of future US Presidents are on the cards because India in the geopolitical sense stands in a unique way by its pluraity of cultures, languages and peoples in this part of the world almost like European States in a geopolitical position in that part of the world.

    kerala varma

  • Comment number 31.

    From Canada. Did Obama back up Canada? We have been in the peace keeping role for a long time and we lost our seat on the security council. Canada has given its all. So much for being there for everyone. We have given a lot per nation and when we cut back a bit just to stay afloat what does the world do? It turns on us. Thanks a lot everyone. Thanks a lot. We will remember the next time you want our help. R.WM.(RON)DUNSTER.

  • Comment number 32.

    post no. 2 ziggiboy:
    Can you tell me how USA is a superpower when 43 million of its citizens did not have medical insurance till recently? Can you also tell me how USA is a superpower when certain areas within US register longevity of life less than that of Bangladesh?
    You and chris, who is expecting his island to be flooded by Indian migrants shortly, may find cheap thrills from your rhetoric but definitely do not contribute to the discussion at all. Can you define "vast amount of aid", chris? Surely, since you are so upset about the 'vast amount of aids', you must have a figure? I am prepared to bet you have no clue at all. Denouncing everything from EU to India based purely on ignorance, may give you the mistaken perception of how you sacrifice daily for these unwanted third worlders, and the conspiratorial continentals. To the rational fellow, these views are boring, tiring, repetitive, distorted and plain nonsense.

  • Comment number 33.

    As we stand right now, India is already more militarily powerful than all except the United States and China. It's making some serious strides on the economic front...rewind 20 years and watch what has happen. It's not easy to change a country of 1 billion +...so take it easy and forward 20 years in future. I don't think any country from EU or UK will be able to say any nasty things about India then since their economies will be severely dependent on this new super power. It's tough to swallow, but let's do it slowly...it'll be easier.

    It's the time right now to be on the right side with India and US has made the right now....not sure if Obama is the right leader, but US over the last 10 years has made all the right moves with India.

    It's easy for India to make progess once they sort out their education issue (which has already propelled). Given the highly mathematical and scientific nature of this culture, it will be easily transtioned into a developed country, but it will be while....meanwhile, there will always be finger pointing like..."x million under $2 / day" and "X million in foreign aid...how can it be a super power"...can't help it if your policies are outdated and can't keep up with the fast progress.

  • Comment number 34.

    i disagree to Obama because there are only five member in the UN security council and it can use the veto power but adding India int he UNSC is not good.I think UN should make a permanent members to African and Australia because there is no representative of them .

  • Comment number 35.

    3. At 12:22pm on 08 Nov 2010, RubbishGirl wrote:
    "What could closer ties between the US and India achieve?"
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    MacKorma?
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    I'm lovin it!

  • Comment number 36.

    US and India always wanted to relish that juicy kabbob. They take a bite and the Pakistani bone in it spoils everything. They shake hands and say, "Maybe next time..." It is the same with the next kabbob, and the next and the next...

  • Comment number 37.

    Ohhhh! not China, not Japan? very interesting. Mr OBama has obviously forgotten all about how the pacific war came about. What provisions has he made for the Japanese nation in all of this? But his has evidently all to do with the immigration caps which we are [not likely] to apply to Indian highly skilled migrants. He intends that he will pick up the influx. But its interesting from the point of view that the atlantic world (the Old world) is losing its attraction. Mr Cameron should watch Ford as they may pull out. No, the new world order will be around the pacific rim.

    As to why do we give money to India when they are a nuclear power I can't comment on the rights and wrongs but they have a similar attitude to the Americans with work and wealth. Strangly the Hindu elitist atitude goes hand in hand with Calvinism. Neither country cares a fig for its poor and are driven only by profit, not by the common good. Never theless as a certain female candidate for the presidency was alleged to have said "I hope they are both Kharmically punished"

  • Comment number 38.

    3. At 12:22pm on 08 Nov 2010, RubbishGirl wrote:
    "What could closer ties between the US and India achieve?"
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    MacKorma?


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    I'm more keen to see what weapons-grade concoction an alliance between India and Mexico produces.

  • Comment number 39.

    As though the UN matters............

    The US, which ignored the UN during the invasion of Iraq, will be role model for both China and India in the future. So both these nations will bide their time until they are strong enough to intervene unilaterally to settle disputes and promote national interests.

    The UN is just a talking club.

  • Comment number 40.

    What the Americans say and what they do are usually two different things

  • Comment number 41.

    well all those people who are cribbing about India recieving aid from UK...i just want to tell you that just search on internet that India has already CANCELLED the aid they are recieveing from UK n its funny that after looting 'the golden bird' that is India & virtually taking all of its money to their own bank account they still crib about few million aid to India hahahaha.

  • Comment number 42.

    Q1. US to boost India to be on the UN security council. Is this before or after they have signed upto the NPT?
    Q2. How many billions of dollars of weapons will they sell to India under new "partnership"?
    Q3. Will Obama preach the necessity for a healthcare system for the poor living in slums?
    Many more cynical questions to come later!

  • Comment number 43.

    I am a UK resident and a US citizen. I have long hoped the US would form closer ties with India. Honestly I see this as much more positive than cow-towing to Chinese dictators - at least both India and the US are purportedly democracies. Also, although closer US-India ties might be difficult for Pakistan to tolerate, there is simply no way the US is going to ignore a country with more than a billion people in it. That doesn't mean the US must get embroiled in India-Pakistan conflicts.

  • Comment number 44.

    Will we find American call centres appearing from over the pond, serving Indian businesses and households by undercutting inefficient and expensive local call centres.
    That would make some people smile!

  • Comment number 45.

    I welcome a closer relationship between the USA and India. There has never been much sense to the estrangement between the worlds 2 largest demoncracies and both nations have much to give to each other. There is a large Indian population in the United States and as a community they have added so much to our culture. I seldom agree with President Obama but here I do agree with his moves. I never had much faith in Pakistan as a nation because of its instability, dictatorships, and terror connections. I understand the world of RealPolitick but it usually leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Closer ties to India is the right thing to do.
    A warning to those who think the United States is dying economically. Things were far worse in 1929-1939 and yet the largest economy in the world came out of that. The people of the US have just stated very emphatically that they want responsible fiscal policy. They threw out the republicans in 2006 and 2008 when the republicans reneged on their ideals and they have done the same with the democrats in 2010. Change will occur in Washington because the people have demanded it and their patience is wearing very thin. There was not just frustration in the USA this year. There was outright anger. The people are willing to weather austerity but all politicians need to be upfront and blunt about what can and cannot be done. The people are prefectly willing to continue to sack politicians until they get the ones that will do the job.

  • Comment number 46.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 47.

    The sending of MORE American jobs off shore, leaving Americans out of work, in even greater numbers.

  • Comment number 48.

    Since Chinas sole ambition is to take control of everywhere and everything its certainly not a good idea.Before long China and India will have enough pull in the world to dictate their own terms on everything.It has its advantages though.With China at the helm we can say goodbye to all this namby pamby human rights rubbish and the muslims can certainly forget about world domination.

  • Comment number 49.

    The recognition of democracy and its appeal to the civilized world where the law of the land prevails over every other tribal and religious laws. The recognition by America that India is a shining example of democracy and freedom, where there is ample opportunities to succeed with one's own abilities. India can buy capital goods from America to improve its infrastructure, industrial production, water, electricity, health care and other areas, this would directly create good paying jobs in America. America can protect the investments of the world via direct talks with Pakistan and China to respect borders and boundaries. It is going to be a win win situation for America and India. India is still the oldest country with exceptional education and innovations, so the brain exports of India do help many American industries.

  • Comment number 50.

    It is better for the US to have good relations with India, then Pakistan.
    The Indians in general seem to be a more trustworthy and industrious people, and less likely to encourage terrorism. Their culture is also more enlightened and more agreeable with that of the West. I have worked with people from both India and Pakistan, and the difference between these two close nations is so far apart, it is unbelievable. India is making great efforts to be part of the 21st century, while most of it's neigbours live in the fifth century. Countries like India and China are the future of this world, so should be enbraced by all Western nations.

  • Comment number 51.

    As an Indian I would be proud to see India as a permanent member of the UNSC but it would be better if the Indo-US partnership can bring cheers for the millions of poor still to receive the booming India benefits. President Obama visited Taj and paid homage to the victims died on 26/11, remember, there were more victims at CST, most of them ordinary or poor Indians.

  • Comment number 52.

    Now the US' rape of our top football teams is complete, their next mission is to usurp all our best relationships in the Commonwealth.

    So much for the Special Relationship............more the special courtesan who the US can hump when it chooses.........

  • Comment number 53.

    People commenting here have forgotten that when govts undertake a mission to visit a country, it is done after thorough analysis & deliberations. So to extrapolate that Obama might have erred in going to India, is at best unbalanced & at worst irresponsible. Even David Cameron visited India for a good reason. Later the heads of the states of Russia, France & China will also go to India. All this is for a reason. And that reason is India's strength in its middle class & its ever burgeoning young population. While all the other countries population will age, India & US will have more of young people driving its economy. So guys, look at the larger picture & stop looking at India through a narrow aperture. Because in that case you will see a jaundiced version of India which is quite an antithesis of its real story.

  • Comment number 54.

    23. At 1:39pm on 08 Nov 2010, Desiderius Erasmus wrote:

    We are also likely to lose our permanent seat on the UN Security Council in the next 20yrs ..... guess who to?

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    The only reason we have a permanent seat on the UN security council is because, like all the other permanent members, the UK is a nuclear power.

    I have wondered how much of the governments determination to renew Trident is actually so that we can keep a hold of that permanent seat.

    Anyhoo, by that criteria, both India and Pakistan are qualified to a permamnent seat on the security council, as presumably would North Korea be if they could stop being mentalists and Israel if they came clean
    about their nuclear stash.

  • Comment number 55.

    Wow, the US lobbying to make India a permanent member of the Security Council. Only a few weeks ago the US wouldn't lift a finger to help Canada get a 2-year term on the council and Canada is the Americans largest trading partner, needless to say its neighbour and the seventh largest contributor to UN funding. Talk abut rookie mistakes.
    Obama backs India knowing it will create problems with Pakistan. He is leaving Iraq with a hung parliament which will send it into chaos. He backs a corrupt president in Afghanistan who laughs in his face as he siffons off foreign aid.
    I once thought Obama was the guy who would bring some sanity back to US politics, particularly when he had control of congress. Now I am starting to think George Bush Jr. had more smarts. Did I actually say that?

  • Comment number 56.

    Selling weapons to Indian to boost US economy sounds a bad idea! The region is already complicated enough, where Indian and Pakistan had fought several wars. This will only add the regional tension.

  • Comment number 57.

    If the US which fought a world war and used and atomic weapon, Brit-France who colonised the world for centuries and
    Russia and China with no human rights for its people can be Permanent security council members than India, as a largest and pluralistic democracy where people ave shown that dispite of chaos, poverty,backwardness and ethinic and religious and linguistic tensions, they can live together and progress.

    As for outsourcing, why cant we think of Coca colas who bulldozed their way into Indian market killing their own cola by taking it over. They sell razor blades and tooth paste, weapons etc. How about that? No one blames Airbus taking Beoing jobs, but becoz some think that India-Asia-Africa are bound to live as slaves only? Think.

    More than aillion people make India from all religions and languages of the world. A right representative of the world. Maybe we all will one day want to live and try to progress in the same manner.

    If any country that aspires to develop on current western social and industrial standards, it is India.

  • Comment number 58.

    The one thing about this India/American cooperation on trade that has not been mentioned but which keeps stabbing persistently at my brain is this:
    Trade means a certain freedom of navigation which will look like trade, could be trade, or could be the American "in" to enforce free & safe navigation in South China Sea. The United States may be creating a rationale for having its ships patrolling (or at least present) in the South China Sea. Where all is Obama going: Indonesia, South Korea...?
    Since the summer, President Barack Obama and Defense Secretary Robert Gates have mentioned the issue of free & safe navigation in South China Sea. They claim that maintaining free navigation in the South China Sea is in the US national interest. (So what?)
    Maintaining free navigation and ensuring a smooth trade flow is in line with the globalization agenda. Those who act against free navigation, such as the war-mongering Americans, should be declared off-limites & are opposed by all nations.
    More than 40,000 vessels/year passing through the South China Sea.
    If problems develop, can war be far behind?
    What are US intentions?
    1. to maintain US military hegemony in Asia-Pacific region. The US has been sending military surveillance ships, survey ships to collect national information in the South China Sea. This sordid stuff seriously threatens the security and interests of surrounding countries and undermines regional peace and stability.
    2. the US is trying to shape international public opinion and force sea-bordering countries and regions to accept its increasing military presence. This cannot be seen as "friendly" by Asian nations.
    3. the freedom of navigation which the US claims to protect is actually the freedom of the US military to threaten other countries.
    The US is actively pursuing a return to Asia. The United States brings its self-conceit, intolerance, and war mentality.
    So maybe I'm paranoic, but look out, Asia, here comes the anointed one.

  • Comment number 59.

    a lot of comments like mckor.. are racist and meaningless to the topic. it is good any two countries in the world come together in education, agriculture and work for peace in the world.

    P.s : bbc editor u r doing a fine job of appeasing pakistan by editing ur reports abt the tough questions asked abt pakistan in india and it shows the true colors of ur balanced view to many naive indians and atleast have some courage to change ur tag likne we kiss pakistani military and uk embassy in pak for your reports on south asia.

  • Comment number 60.

    Yes, It is a perfect thing to show the friendship in need for both the Countries. India is a Global power. Not only because of fast growing economy. It has the potential to counter weight China and the war against terror . I believe India will be the powerful nation in the world within 10 years time. India and US should work for the same goal...

  • Comment number 61.

    What does their relationship mean? Possible fraud?
    More business deals paid for by recommending India to the top table of the UN.
    Does anyone else smell a rat?

  • Comment number 62.

    No disrespect for India intended but many here in the US are angry about this trip. It is costing far too much. It is like rubbing salt into a wound. Obama doesn't care because his hubris has no bounds. Timing is convenient because of our recent mid-term elections.
    I am happy that India will be on the UN Security Council. In my opinion it is long overdue.

  • Comment number 63.

    China and India will be the powers in the future so US has chosen to back India in order to make sure that China doesn't become too powerful. The Indians will jump at the chance at any backing. Pakistan and the Middle East declining oil countries are a bit too close for comfort for them

  • Comment number 64.

    This whole concept of India (or any other nation for that matter) "deserving" to be a permanent member of the Security Council is quite nonsensical.

    Its like an academic professor saying "I deserve the title - greatest scientist in the world - whether or not I am truly the most accomplished." If he is the most accomplished, the title is unnecessary. If he isn't, the title is meaningless.

    Titles or seats do not make nations powerful. Only power makes them powerful - economic and military power primarily and soft/cultural power to a lesser extent. India is severely lacking in the major departments, most notably economic and military.

    Besides, the relative decline of nations like the UK and France in the next 25-50 years will contrive the make their membership of the Security Council wholly meaningless.

  • Comment number 65.

    As usual, the same childish, hypercritical & hypocritical nonsense is being blabbered on these boards. What a cesspool of hatred, bitterness and ignorance. Obama is a very good president and the USA and India are both amazing, powerful and important countries with a lot of shared interests. Deal with it.

  • Comment number 66.

    We'll get India's intelligent doctors, IT professionals and scientists. They'll get paved streets and structurally sound bridges and buildings.

  • Comment number 67.

    India a permanent member of the security council? Please Obama, tell us you are joking! India is the country where most political decisions are based upon astrology! India has chronic dyfunctionality everywhere you look. It is utterly corrupt. National, state and local governments have devised a cunning system which guarantees the perpetuation of corruption. Its' democracy is of the 'pseudo-' variety. 20 Million murders in the form of female infanticide have gone unpunished. The proportion of people with toilets hasn't improved since Ghandi bemoaned the situation in 1912. Indias' environmental problems are frightening, particularly in respect of groundwater depletion - 300 million people dependent on groundwater to survive, and the water table is falling fast! etc. etc. One could catalogue the problems all day. Indioa is just NOT up to the task!

  • Comment number 68.

    Americans doing a wise thing for once and are passing their superpower status over to a much better country.

    India > USA.

  • Comment number 69.

    All I know is that these Indian College students asked Obama tougher more thought provoking questions then the entire White House Press Corp which has become basically a bunch a leftist shills charged with the job of making Obama look competent.
    Let us just hope he gets out of there without ticking off the Pakistani's.

  • Comment number 70.

    It's wonderful to have cordial relations with all countries leaders as well as people without any hidden agendas. Era of two teams fight for control over the world is a thing of past. If Obam's idea of having a close and open relations with India is a constructive step towards the betterment of world peace. But it should not be an invasion of Indian culture by primitive immoral war mongering cultures who try to use India as a proxy. If all agenda’s are clear to both parties then the rest of the world also can benefit from this. If not it will add to the chaos. Furthermore I would like to add a little note which will explain world’s double standards. When a tiny Island call Sri Lanka got rid of their terrorist ( in the eyes of West until 9/11 freedom fighters) single handed world leaders should praise the leadership, not to criminalize the regime and the leader. So if there are such plans of double standards I think Mother India is not the playground for one to pitch.

  • Comment number 71.

    How can you consider India a World Power?

    Consider this:

    There are children grubbing out a living in the jungle, living under plastic sheeting, side by side with their livestock.

    There is Mittal. As of July 2010, Mittal is the richest man in Europe and the fifth richest in the world with a personal wealth of US$28.7 billion or £19.3 billion. The Financial Times named Mittal Person of the Year in 2006. In May 2007, he was named one of the "100 Most Influential People" by Time magazine.

    How about he raises those poor children out of poverty instead of basking in his own glory (made out of poverty line wages).

    Obama should tour the slums first

    I may disagree with the US on many things - but at least they try (some of the time).

    Then we will need Pakistan on the UNs Security Council.....Remember where you heard it first

  • Comment number 72.

    In just 60 years since its independance, starting from a virtual bankrupt state, India has managed to create schools and universities and has educated millions of its poor. It has created a massive manufacturing base, science & technology, IT, services etc. and is today among world leaders in many areas. All this through purely democratic governments elected by unlettered villagers. It today has 1.2 billion people with about 400 million educated middle class. The rest will follow in the coming decades. It is also a very peaceful and spiritual oriented nation. Surely it deserves a permanent seat in the UNSC.

  • Comment number 73.

    If USA is involved you can bet its for personal gain, one way or another. Perhaps they want india to 'join' them in the fraudulent war on terror. After the 9/11 and 7/7 false flags, lots of countries seem to have a 'special' relationship with USA. Theres always a personal agenda, no doubt oil or the strategic location...

  • Comment number 74.

    The Americans are stalling for time without any real answers out of this economic mess which they created in the first place.

    If the US create another 'China' in India and make it the workhorse cheaply of the world and create a competitive imports system running against China I'm sure this time the US will put the stranglehold on India without coming up against the current situation vis a vis China in which China holds much of the US debt. It will force the Chinese to devalue their currency to stay competitive. Good luck to the ham-fisted ignorant Americans. They've only been going a short time in the timeline of history and know little because they're still a young country. They got rich off 2 world wars, reparations payments and cheap investment.

    I hope India puts the stranglehold back on the US like the Chinese. Then they're got by the ying yangs.

  • Comment number 75.

    post 37. leoRoverman wrote: "As to why do we give money to India when they are a nuclear power I can't comment on the rights and wrongs...Neither country cares a fig for its poor and are driven only by profit, not by the common good."

    Nothing can be further from the truth. If you had any knowledge of development issues, you would know that India has the most consistent and longest running poverty alleviation programmes in the world. i would not waste my time elaborating on the well documented studies and researches. But what fascinates me that post like yours blurt out obvious nonsense without having a clue to the realities. thereby you try to smear an entire country and a populace of billion +. The world at large should be very thankful to India, because just by managing its affairs as she is doing, its a stabilizing factor in the world. With all its faults and corruption etc. etc., it has always been a democracy, an imperfect one that may be, India cares for its poor again not perfect, it plays a responsible role in the international arena, it does not threaten its neighbours, does not send warning to the nobel committee, it gives considerable aid to countries in Africa and Afghanistan in particular, it abides by the international law, its a secular country, its youth is open to the world, member of WTO etc, etc. So due to all these and the democratic accountability (not perfect), the Indian model of development is also sustainable, because the population at large has a stake in it.

    Given all that it is eminently clear why india is Obama's first address, all credit to him. If you are still fighting the pacific war, you may have a different perspective. But the war is over, India is more important in the new world by virtue of its achievements and potentials.

    Post 34 Avinash: can you name one plausible reason why Australia deserves a UNSC seat over India? UNSC is real undemocratic. But if you want to make it a little more representative, including India, Brazil (South Africa at a later stage) and Germany by virtue of their economic power would make sense. I can not think of a reason why Autralia.

  • Comment number 76.

    By embracing India publicly, United State has once again declearded her readiness to work with potential world powers in order to bolster her weak economy. If there is anything the US is good at, it is seeing opportunities well ahead of time. The vast nature of India in terms of man-power and agricultre as well market potential is what America has seen before other developed economies regarding India.
    However, the declearation by president Obama today means that the US must brace up for the worst from India's unfriendly neighbour(s). The renewed relationship with India has the potential of hampering the seemingly cordial relationship with Parkistan.
    The US must get ready for the enemies of India outside India. There could be more to the marriage than economic gains - negetives or positive.

  • Comment number 77.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 78.

    I think the US and India should have good open relations. As for the UN SC, sure. With their population near the size of China, they should have a say in World affairs. You must note that India will not always side with the US, no matter what money is dumped into it. Anyways, the US Dollar is being destropyed by the Federal Reserve so I don't think India will be buying debt here soon. For the record, I don't like Obama because I don't beleive in his vision. Backing India's permanent seat in the UN is something any US president should do.

  • Comment number 79.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 80.

    The achievement this will bring is:

    Weapons Sales: This is strategic as instead of buying military arsenal directly from USA it is being sold via Israel, since the neighbour is Pakistan and an ally of USA on this war on terror.

    Rival to China: USA are unable to see China rise in power and be the only one in the region to posses this ability - therefore it is in the interest of USA to provide it with assistance (financially - even though they don't ask for it, military via Israel and diplomatically via UN), in the hope that China has a rival (India) and an ally to USA too to balance out the equation and keep China at bay.

    But one needs to understand that Mr Obama is having a hard time in US after the mid term election, hence this would act as a smoke screen to buy more time and popularity for his cause - which I forgot what it is - something to do with Change - I think.

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  • Comment number 81.

    Bilateral relation between two countries is always good but the resent Obama's proposal for closer ties with India should be viewed whether it bring peace or raises tension in the region considering the long time bad relation between India and Pakistan because of the Kashmir issue and America's war in Afganistan that is bordering the later

  • Comment number 82.

    Nothing is true. But the truth is that both wants to use each other. India wants to use U.S.A by giving business as mush as U.S.A wants to avoid the talks of kashmir at any cost and India wants UN permanent seat so that whenever the Kashmir matter comes up they can use their veto power. U.S wants to use India to get business from which they can give work to their nationals and over come the problem of recessions. Marriage of convenience. But another important fact is that india will be the loser.

  • Comment number 83.

    More call centres?

  • Comment number 84.

    I think partnership with India is a good thing. India and China seem to be vying for first place as far as world trade is concerned. I see this alliance as better than with China. I do not trust China.

    Now will the radical news pundits such as Beck now say Obama is a Hindu because he is promoting ties with India.

  • Comment number 85.

    RubbishGirl wrote:

    "What could closer ties between the US and India achieve?"

    MacKorma?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I wonder if you meant "Karma". If you meant "Korma" the cuisine, it is actually an Arabic word and it's entry on the menus of Indian commercial cuisine is 20 years old, just like Biryani, Tandoor, Naan, Kabab, Kofta and Keema. The other famous Indian word, "Masala" is also Arabic, although it has been a part of Indian Lexicon for better part of a century.

  • Comment number 86.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 87.

    The United States has the opportunity to end prohibitions on exports imposed by the former Congress. India benefits from technology sales by the Americans. Obama should push for these initiatives to improve corporate revenue and tax base for the federal treasury.

  • Comment number 88.

    In India if you have wealth you are considered above the law, I mean you can manipulate law on your behalf and you are considered a Messiah.

    While in the west you get overnite rich and next day poverty.

  • Comment number 89.

    86. At 5:22pm on 08 Nov 2010, abraham wrote:
    "HE ( MR. OBAMA) IS A TRUE GANDHIAN , HE IS AWARE ABOUT THE FACT THAT GANDHI WAS AGAINST IRGUN AND CREATION OF ISRAEL . "

    And he was also in favour of Imperial Japan in WW2. So what's your point? I guess that Gandhi was on the wrong side more than once I guess.

  • Comment number 90.

    In response to user who comment on Indo-Pakistani War of 1971

    Pakistan crack down on Bangladesh (East Pakistan at the time) was a brutal blunder, but remember that it was in the sovereignty rights of Pakistan to prevent the dismemberment of their country. What right does a hostile country like India have in arming rebel and sneak in their regular soldiers to fight in an undeclared war to dismember Pakistan. It take times to mobilized the army but Indian massing it troops and pouring across the border almost immediately after formal declaration of war, you can said that the Indian expect to escalate the hostility and prepare to strike and dismember Pakistan. East Pakistan will receive its independence through diplomacy eventually because no way 70,000 Pakistan troop can put a tap million of Bengal after a fail political compromise. India want involve militarily in order to influence Bengal politic and dominated the subcontinent. There are reasons why some Pakistani have real fear and hatred for the Indian state, especially when India show its true color by detonating the not so peaceful "Buddha"

  • Comment number 91.

    Pancha Chandra wrote:

    Like China, India is a key economic power that is likely to eclipse the United States in economic importance in decades to come. India's global importance has to be recognized and refusing to follow its meteoric rise would be sheer folly.

    _______________________________________________________________________

    Meteoric rise? South Asians are still the poorest 1.5 billion people on earth. On the basis of per-capita GDP India is dead in the middle, fourth from the top.

    All that has happened in 15 years of India's "meteoric rise" is that the fourth and fifth shame holders (India and Pakistan) have switched places.

    In 2006 and 2007 Pakistan and India's per-capita GDP were in a dead heat. Then our enemies brought in Mr. 10%, and our per-capita GDP began to tumble at, well, about 10% per year. Although the Western economic spinners continue to show a 1% or so growth rate.

    Real growth comes from manufacturing. When you cut through all the spin, China and India are still generations apart. China manufactured a jet engine nearly four decades ago, India does not manufacture even a car engine. The famous Indian car Nano uses a German engine made by a company called Bosch.


  • Comment number 92.

    86. At 5:22pm on 08 Nov 2010, abraham wrote:
    "HE ( MR. OBAMA) IS A TRUE GANDHIAN , HE IS AWARE ABOUT THE FACT THAT GANDHI WAS AGAINST IRGUN AND CREATION OF ISRAEL . BOTH COUNTRIES CAN WORK TOGETHER FOR A BETTER TOMORROW / CAN ERADICATE STATE TERRORISM AND IRGUN LEGACY."

    Indian is a very good friend of Israel and like Israel it has to face the reality of terrorism by members of the religion that is meant to be peaceful.

    Israel is not going anywhere and Indian will not bow over Kashmir.

    Get over it Abraham.



    56. At 3:34pm on 08 Nov 2010, Irene wrote:
    "Selling weapons to Indian to boost US economy sounds a bad idea! The region is already complicated enough, where Indian and Pakistan had fought several wars. This will only add the regional tension."

    The region has had its tensions since the partition,might aswell sell them the weapons before someone else does.

  • Comment number 93.

    The ability of America to see opportunities before her rivals becomes one edge she has over other developed economies.
    The potentials in inherent in the vast nature of India are myriads and United States has taken a bold step in tapping into these lush opportunites before others. This no doubt is right step towards healing America's sick economy.
    The backing given to India by president Obama today demonstrates Washington's readiness to win the confidence of Delhi.
    Whatever is the tatget of USA in this marriage with India, the US must understand that embracing India publicly has the potential of hampering her cordial deplomatic relationship with Parkistan. Bracing for the worst from India's unfriendly neighbours will put America on a good advantage. Who knows, anything can come out of this marriage with India.

  • Comment number 94.

    Closer ties between India and USA is always a welcome

    Closer ties between USA and India may put India in an awkward position.USA version of being a global power differs from Indias view point.For USA being a global power means USA CAN MESS UP WITH ANYBODY,,,whereas Indias idea of being a global power is NOBODY MESSES UP WITH INDIA,,,,Super power status is catching the imagination of average Indians thanks to the barbarians next door on western side and authoritarianism in the eastern side

    Indian public in general wont like their country to meddle with another countries affairs,,Indians wont like to force their point of view on other countries,,and in India its believed that,,, let thousands of culprits go unpunished but see to that an innocent is not punished,,,

    So in short Indians believe in tolerance and looks doubtful India will be of much help to USA in world policing.So a seat in UNSC will be against Indian nature,,,

    Secondly though Chinese people are very friendly same cant be said of Chinese government.They have a hidden ambition to rule the world and their true dirty face is yet to be seen.An Indo-US strong ties will keep a check on Chinese.

    Finally on economic front Indo-Us strong ties will be a win win situation for both US and India,,,,India needs latest technology from US for its space programs/defense/Hi-tech industries and investments in these sectors can create thousands of job in USA and in return USA can invest in billions in infrastructure development in INDIA,,Indo- US trade right now stands at 50$ billions and is much much below potential,,,A resurged US economy will be in interest of the world, and India and Europe particularly,,

    USA + Japan + EU + India is the need of the hour,,,,

  • Comment number 95.

    US companies might start using call centres based in India, or the US will start stationing troops along the borders with Pakistan and China.

  • Comment number 96.

    67. Borioz wrote:

    "India a permanent member of the security council? Please Obama, tell us you are joking! India is the country where most political decisions are based upon astrology! India has chronic dyfunctionality everywhere you look. It is utterly corrupt. National, state and local governments have devised a cunning system which guarantees the perpetuation of corruption. Its' democracy is of the 'pseudo-' variety. 20 Million murders in the form of female infanticide have gone unpunished. The proportion of people with toilets hasn't improved since Ghandi bemoaned the situation in 1912. Indias' environmental problems are frightening, particularly in respect of groundwater depletion - 300 million people dependent on groundwater to survive, and the water table is falling fast! etc. etc. One could catalogue the problems all day. Indioa is just NOT up to the task!"

    Cann't get over your bigotry and hatred, eh? You obviously come from the paradise called...

    Post 71 Gareth: Would be nice if you could put together something coherent. the only message from your diatribe is disdain.

  • Comment number 97.

    India is a budding economy and that is why the USA have shown interest. The only downside to this relationship will be a conflict of interests between the USA, India and Pakistan. At the present time the biggest export from India and Pakistan are people. Just take a survey of the number of Indians and Pakistanis that have emigrated to the USA, Canada, U.K.,New Zealand and Australia in the last ten years. India has a population of 1.5 billion and rising, however this figure does not include the Indians that have already left India and are now populating their host countries. The same formula can be applied to the Chinese. By the year 2050 Britain will not have a majority of indigenous people and that the country will have a majority of mixed race and immigrants. Like the indigenous Red Squirrel the indigenous species of English would be wiped out with just small numbers inhabiting remote areas of the island. Therefore I am glad that I will not be alive to see this happen because this would tear my heart out

  • Comment number 98.

    This visit means some or all of the below:

    1. more sale of weapons and aircrafts to India, huge benefit to USA.
    2. India will open more call centers
    3. More Indians immigrate to USA.
    4. More Students going to USA, some pretending to study but will stay over after visa expires!
    5. more recycling rubbish arriving to Indian shores for dumping!

  • Comment number 99.

    It will mean what it's meant for the last 10 years: Call Center jobs that should go to perfectly capable Americas getting paid $16/hour will go to Indians getting paid the equivalent of $4/hour all so 4 people in management can buy another yacht, have a house in the Hamptons, and purchase more American politicians to keep their taxes low. Oh, and it also means that when I call my credit card company to ask a question I have to speak to someone speaking totally incomprehensible English and get nothing resolved. But hey, that's the "Free Market" speaking right? No need for patriotism, just profit at all costs. Why employ Americans when you can just saturate the air waves with dis-information about why the jobs left America. Whatever....

  • Comment number 100.

    Obama is in India, because he is recognised there...



 

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